From nobody Sun Jul 3 04:26:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08DB12D10E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 3 Jul 2016 04:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zj3vTepCB1Ni for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 3 Jul 2016 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE [IPv6:2001:638:102:2::217:48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 476BF12D10B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 3 Jul 2016 04:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C79A1D6064 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:26:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hs-augsburg.de Received: from fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fly.rz.hs-augsburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xMwdqxvtPbwY for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.43] (ppp-46-244-145-9.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.145.9]) by fly.RZ.HS-Augsburg.DE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 729AB1D605F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:26:04 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Rolf Winter Message-ID: <7429f91c-27e0-77a1-4e81-56544d115506@hs-augsburg.de> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:26:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Wanted: home gateways/WLAN router X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:26:12 -0000 Hi, TL;DR: we are looking for old home gateways/WiFi routers for a study we are planning. About 6 years ago, a group of research folks at the University of Helsinki and a few others have carried out an experimental study of home gateway behavior. There has been renewed interest in the behavior of home gateways and we are planning a new study. We therefore would like to ask you whether you have an old home gateway lying around that you could part with and bring it with you when you come to the meeting in Berlin. If you would like to contribute a device, please send me an Email off-list. Everybody who would like to suggest an experiment, please also let me know off-list. We will be collecting this information and have prepared a Google-Spreadsheet for this (see below). Please feel free to forward this Email as you see fit. Thanks a lot, Rolf PS: we are aware of the fact that this Email is kind of “Spam”ish. We would like to apologize to the individuals who feel this Email is inappropriate. PPS: since we do not have a DSLAM/MSAN or CMTS, the study will be restricted to measurements over WLAN and Ethernet. Link to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NvTm3XdeAatD6IVCybFxXNiWmvtiRP1iMl96eFSvMLU/edit?usp=sharing Link to the study mentioned above: http://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2010/papers/p260.pdf From nobody Wed Jul 6 03:12:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E316512D749 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:12:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g_hoMM8wst3d for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balrog.mythic-beasts.com (balrog.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:82:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C9A512D74C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.132.240.126] (port=24201 helo=[172.20.10.2]) by balrog.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1bKjoy-0004Uj-Ud for 96attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:12:51 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Colin Perkins In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:12:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <350C82F6-D29F-4AF6-8EAB-1551EDC08DD6@csperkins.org> References: To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: -28 X-Mythic-Debug: Threshold = On = Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Call for Participation: ACM, IRTF & ISOC Applied Networking Research Workshop 2016 X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: "anrw-sc@irtf.org" List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:12:56 -0000 A reminder that the inaugural ACM, IRTF & ISOC Applied Networking = Research Workshop is taking place in Berlin on Saturday 16 July, = immediately before IETF 96. The workshop is open to all, although = additional registration is required, and might be of interest to some in = IETF.=20 Colin > On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:28, Eggert, Lars wrote: >=20 > ACM, IRTF & ISOC Applied Networking Research Workshop 2016 >=20 > Berlin, Germany > Saturday, July 16, 2016 > https://irtf.org/anrw/2016/ >=20 >=20 > *** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION *** >=20 > The inaugural ACM, IRTF & ISOC Applied Networking Research Workshop > 2016 (ANRW=E2=80=9916) is an academic workshop that provides a forum = for > researchers, vendors, network operators and the Internet standards > community to present and discuss emerging results in applied > networking research. It is sponsored by ACM SIGCOMM, the Internet > Research Task Force (IRTF) and the Internet Society (ISOC). >=20 > The ANRW =E2=80=9816 takes place on Saturday, July 16, 2016 in the > Charlottenburg II/III room at the venue of the IETF-96 meeting, the > InterContinental Berlin. This academic workshop is open to all; the > registration fee is $100 USD. See > https://irtf.org/anrw/2016/attend.html for details. >=20 >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >=20 > *** PRELIMINARY PROGRAM *** > https://irtf.org/anrw/2016/program.html >=20 >=20 > SESSION: MULTIPATH >=20 > An enhanced socket API for Multipath TCP. [Full Paper] > Benjamin Hesmans (UCL) and Olivier Bonaventure. >=20 > Multipath bonding at Layer 3. [Full Paper] >=20 > Maciej Bednarek (ETH Zurich), Guillermo Barrenetxea Kobas (Swisscom), > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind (ETH Zurich), and Brian Trammell (ETH Zurich). >=20 > Towards a Multipath TCP Aware Load Balancer. [Short Paper] > Simon Li=C3=A9nardy (Universit=C3=A9 de Li=C3=A8ge) and Benoit Donnet = (Universit=C3=A9 de > Li=C3=A8ge). >=20 > Multi-Homed on a Single Link: Using Multiple IPv6 Access Networks. > [Short Paper] > Philipp S. Tiesel (TU-Berlin), Bernd May (TU-Berlin), and Anja > Feldmann (TU-Berlin). >=20 >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SESSION: SDN, ROUTING AND PEERING >=20 > Towards Decentralized Fast Consistent Updates. [Full Paper] > Thanh Dang Nguyen (Universit=C3=A9 catholique de Louvain), Marco = Chiesa > (Universit=C3=A9 catholique de Louvain), and Marco Canini (Universit=C3=A9= > catholique de Louvain). >=20 > Composition of SDN applications: Options/challenges for real > implementations. [Full Paper] > Arne Schwabe (University of Paderborn), Pedro A. Aranda Guti=C3=A9rrez > (Telef=C3=B3nica I+D), and Holger Karl (University of Paderborn). >=20 > SIXPACK: Securing Internet eXchange Points Against Curious onlooKers. > [Short Paper] > Marco Chiesa (Universite catholique de Louvain), Daniel Demmler > (Technische Universitat Darmstadt), Marco Canini (Universite > catholique de Louvain), Michael Schapira (Hebrew University of > Jerusalem), and Thomas Schneider (Technische Universitat Darmstadt). >=20 > Computing Customer Cones of Peering Networks. [Short Paper] > Jinu Susan Varghese (Iowa State University) and Lu Ruan (Iowa State > University). >=20 >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SESSION: TRANSPORT QUALITY AND =E2=80=9CHAPPY EYEBALLS=E2=80=9D >=20 > Measuring the Effects of Happy Eyeballs. [Full Paper] > Vaibhav Bajpai (Jacobs University Bremen) and J=C3=BCrgen = Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder > (Jacobs University Bremen). >=20 > On the Cost of Using Happy Eyeballs for Transport Protocol Selection. > [Full Paper] > Giorgos Papastergiou (Simula Research Laboratory), Karl-Johan Grinnemo > (Karlstad University), Anna Brunstrom (Karlstad University), David Ros > (Simula Research Laboratory), Michael T=C3=BCxen (Fachhochschule = M=C3=BCnster), > Naeem Khademi (University of Oslo), and Per Hurtig (Karlstad > University). >=20 > Start Me Up: Determining and Sharing TCP=E2=80=99s Initial Congestion = Window. > [Short Paper] > Safiqul Islam (University of Oslo) and Michael Welzl (University of > Oslo). >=20 >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SESSION: MEASUREMENT >=20 > Revisiting Benchmarking Methodology for Interconnect Devices. > [Full Paper] > Daniel Raumer (Technical University of Munich), Sebastian = Gallenm=C3=BCller > (Technical University of Munich), Florian Wohlfart (Technical > University of Munich), Paul Emmerich (Technical University of Munich), > Patrick Werneck (Technical University of Munich), and Georg Carle > (Technical University of Munich). >=20 > PATHspider: A tool for active measurement of path transparency. > [Short Paper] > Iain R. Learmonth (University of Aberdeen), Brian Trammell (ETH > Zurich), Mirja Kuhlewind (ETH Zurich), and Gorry Fairhurst (University > of Aberdeen). >=20 > Diurnal and Weekly Cycles in IPv6 Traffic. [Short Paper] > Stephen D. Strowes (Yahoo). >=20 > How to say that you=E2=80=99re special: Can we use bits in the IPv4 = header? > [Short Paper] > Runa Barik (University of Oslo, Norway), Michael Welzl (University of > Oslo, Norway), and Ahmed Elmokashfi (Simula Research Laboratory, > Norway). >=20 > Towards an Observatory for Network Transparency Research. [Short = Paper] > Stephan Neuhaus (Z=C3=BCrcher Hochschule f=C3=BCr Angewandte = Wissenschaften), > Korian Edeline (Universit=C3=A9 de Li=C3=A8ge), Benoit Donnet = (Universit=C3=A9 de > Li=C3=A8ge), and Elio Gubser (ETH Zurich). >=20 >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SESSION: INTERNET MEDIA >=20 > Making Google Congestion Control robust over Wi-Fi networks using > packet grouping. 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See below. Please = send me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if = the secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of = presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space. =E2=80=94aaron =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80= =94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD =20 A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in = Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on = the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk = lasting for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or = bad -- to be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic = should be a IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, = although not mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social = event. (It will be BYOB.) =20 =20 Format Details: Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served. To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to = aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation. Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, = primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds). There = are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good = Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 = ], [3 ].=20= --Apple-Mail=_21D01E51-EFF5-40A6-9984-B9B3109E1307 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hey Folks-

I want to do an = informal social thing in Berlin.  See below.  Please send me = an email if you want to participate.  The event will happen if the = secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80= =A6 watch this space.

=E2=80=94aaron

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening = at 22:30 in room TBD  

A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation = format, originating in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 = image-only slides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds and = advance automatically.  With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the = feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused = and brief.  This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a = IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not = mean-spirited.  Anyone can participate in this social event. = (It will be BYOB.)  
  
Format Details:
  • Presentation = slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title = to aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to adhere to the = Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, primarily image-only, automatically = advancing every 20 seconds).  There are lots of online = tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good Pecha Kucha.  Here = are a few: [1], = [2], [3]. 
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See below. Please send > me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if the > secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2= =80=A6 watch > this space. > > =E2=80=94aaron > Thank you for putting this together. I hope it catches on! Spencer > > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > > *Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha* > Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD > > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in > Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on the > screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk lasting > for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- t= o > be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a > IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not > mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social event. (It will be > BYOB.) > > Format Details: > > - Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first > served. > - To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to > aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive confirmation. > - Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 > slides, primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds= ). > There are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a g= ood > Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 > ], > [3 ]. > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a11414612cc4b9b05370bbfc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aaron,

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal social thing in= Berlin.=C2=A0 See below.=C2=A0 Please send me an email if you want to part= icipate.=C2=A0 The event will happen if the secretariat gives me a room and= we get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space.

=E2= =80=94aaron

Thank you for putting= this together. I hope it catches on!

Spencer
=C2=A0

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80= =94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

Bad Attitude Pecha = Kucha
Thursday evening at 22:30 in room=C2=A0TBD=C2=A0=C2=A0

= A=C2=A0Pecha Kucha=C2=A0is a lightning-talk presentation format, originatin= g in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only=C2=A0slides that are eac= h on the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically.=C2=A0 With each t= alk lasting for 6:40, it has the feature=C2=A0of forcing presentations -- g= ood or bad -- to be focused and brief.=C2=A0 This is an unofficial event.= =C2=A0The topic should be a IETF-related and satirical or controversial in = some way, although not mean-spirited.=C2=A0 Anyone can participate in this = social event. (It=C2=A0will be BYOB.) =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Format Det= ails:

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([2001:13c7:7001:7000:204c:825d:d1fc:7d82]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m62sm886924uam.15.2016.07.07.08.46.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2016 08:46:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> To: "Fred Baker (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" From: "Carlos M. Martinez" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:46:19 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 15:46:25 -0000 Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? > >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >> >> Dear Fred Baker, >> >> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n 00004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany. >> >> Best regards, >> >> VMC Accounting Department >> >> VMC >> 14-30, rue de Mantes >> 92700 Colombes - France >> info@vamaco.eu >> >> --- >> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier lectronique a t vrifie par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Thu Jul 7 08:51:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD55812D0FB; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:51:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.178 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.178 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_SBL=1.623, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MsKCbYMcsAie; 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Thu, 07 Jul 2016 08:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [200.7.87.45] ([200.7.87.45]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 79sm1782506uaf.18.2016.07.07.08.54.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2016 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> To: =?UTF-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7QsiDQktCw0YHQuNC70LjQuSDQktCw0LTQuNC80L4=?= =?UTF-8?B?0LLQuNGH?= , "carlos@lacnic.net" From: "Carlos M. Martinez" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:54:04 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker \(fred\)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 15:54:12 -0000 Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to follow ? I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may have. On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, Долматов Василий Вадимович wrote: > If you are «a person» - no way. > > dol@ > >> 7 июля 2016 г., в 18:46, Carlos M. Martinez написал(а): >> >> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU >> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? >> >> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>> >>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n° 00004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> VMC Accounting Department >>>> >>>> VMC >>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>>> 92700 Colombes - France >>>> info@vamaco.eu >>>> >>>> --- >>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Thu Jul 7 09:58:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2911212B026 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Thu, 07 Jul 2016 09:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([46.120.57.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u4sm5569182wjz.4.2016.07.07.09.58.47 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2016 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:58:44 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> To: "Fred Baker (fred)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?b?PT9pc28tODg1OS0xP1E/UmU6Xzk2dGhfSUVURl9K?= =?utf-8?b?dWx5XzE3LTIyLCBfMjAxNiwgX0JlcmxpbiwgX0dlcm1hbnlfLV9GaW5hbF9W?= =?utf-8?q?A=3F=3D_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 16:58:52 -0000 I sent it to the accounting department at my employer=E2=80=99s. They = said =E2=80=9CThanks, we needed that.=E2=80=9D YMMV, but I think the same principle may apply. Yoav > On 7 Jul 2016, at 6:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >=20 > Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I = need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >=20 >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>=20 >> Dear Fred Baker, >>=20 >> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n=C2=B0 = 00004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, = Germany. >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> VMC Accounting Department >>=20 >> VMC >> 14-30, rue de Mantes >> 92700 Colombes - France >> info@vamaco.eu >>=20 >> --- >> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 = v=C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:22:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E8512D818 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_287DE7A7-287B-491A-909A-163842003C7E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?b?PT9pc28tODg1OS0xP1E/UmU6Xzk2dGhfSUVURl9K?= =?utf-8?b?dWx5XzE3LTIyLCBfMjAxNiwgX0JlcmxpbiwgX0dlcm1hbnlfLV9GaW5hbF9W?= =?utf-8?q?A=3F=3D_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:22:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_287DE7A7-287B-491A-909A-163842003C7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: >=20 > I sent it to the accounting department at my employer=E2=80=99s. They = said =E2=80=9CThanks, we needed that.=E2=80=9D In my case, I guess I'll file it with my expense report. If they want = it, they have it. Thanks all. > YMMV, but I think the same principle may apply. >=20 > Yoav >=20 >> On 7 Jul 2016, at 6:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>=20 >> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I = need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>=20 >>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>>=20 >>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>=20 >>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n=C2=B0 = 00004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, = Germany. >>>=20 >>> Best regards, >>>=20 >>> VMC Accounting Department >>>=20 >>> VMC >>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>> 92700 Colombes - France >>> info@vamaco.eu >>>=20 >>> --- >>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 = v=C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 --Apple-Mail=_287DE7A7-287B-491A-909A-163842003C7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIVAwUBV36PwEayAOS/EQ8MAQK+ORAAtT4bZIA69woWzzOwlhrgeWYoLgyfftDR FDvIYFNI1ETlMsMiYDy48cK1BJlg56WSyIGxweR5UOoaJG1/hISR9LJUx61jkA+Z UcqfvU0PCaw1m77Kh1RSiTNbsVxZjV1XjUDVCHy7G9z8wy/wpEV4lcA0tc+ucK5k ypUU3v3X0RWz/C/W0v/YZRMxdDWKAOB3a508NhX1JMsuLj3JlTLp16saNmqUVSWa uEZIfeG7QTVsFIs5nidadiyRbRla40V08Qw577wXURljGcKC1+55TTMD413rxFZI YyLk2pfGuvTZs/yD5JEZ9NsUK4SWXUiK4yerpwtqFjdDRT9xhjObKnWilQ59XGXy aO5d2Vmjx23Pz6htG+DAYWu5ugoBa8KMQhWzY9GsMITms4mfsXBg16asQDdSAqD7 f/xfmwDe81Z74nt/CME0q93hT+9uAW/Mwahs5upwNtE96cqCgWJLQ3ZHzkpnTLu8 o4NLhTjTQwSGigxdYJ+jlAosYhIogNgMjNqbohOjDYWyyn2dqDznIT79cWPEFxIs BluBd+Fxx+WDTWYJjxzYZrDXzqrZgkXDj+Fv/vs12Zdw1j/SjiQ4xuqNdltXeV8X SxvqxcrkcJ/45n+FwQPHYW+AUT3to1Csgvm/qNPf/xtfdghTLqVt65gDTW8MKmlF 680So6YFFIk= =tNQd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_287DE7A7-287B-491A-909A-163842003C7E-- From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:25:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A4712D0E4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rq4Wo8cS9Y5V for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90FAD12D1A7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7283B161535; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id lzoLKvlkqyHH; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E40161537; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id jfICrqhKzBPX; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs-211-21.cs.ucla.edu (Cs-211-21.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.211.21]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 288B6161535; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_167E5029-2FDA-44AD-A132-8680DE2DB0BA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Lixia Zhang In-Reply-To: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:24:53 -0700 Message-Id: <914BD081-8745-4940-B91A-B4E599BA2489@cs.ucla.edu> References: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:24:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_167E5029-2FDA-44AD-A132-8680DE2DB0BA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Hey Folks- >=20 > I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please = send me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if = the secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of = presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space. >=20 > =E2=80=94aaron 20 slides seem a lot, would 10 slides be allowed? >=20 > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >=20 > Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha > Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD =20 >=20 > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in = Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on = the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk = lasting for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or = bad -- to be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic = should be a IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, = although not mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social = event. (It will be BYOB.) =20 > =20 > Format Details: > Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served. > To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to = aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation. > Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, = primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds). There = are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good = Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 = ], [3 ].=20= > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_167E5029-2FDA-44AD-A132-8680DE2DB0BA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal social thing in = Berlin.  See below.  Please send me an email if you want to = participate.  The event will happen if the secretariat gives me a = room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this = space.

=E2=80=94aaron

20 slides = seem a lot, would 10 slides be allowed?


=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening = at 22:30 in room TBD  

A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation = format, originating in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 = image-only slides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds and = advance automatically.  With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the = feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused = and brief.  This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a = IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not = mean-spirited.  Anyone can participate in this social event. = (It will be BYOB.)  
  
Format Details:
  • Presentation = slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title = to aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to adhere to the = Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, primarily image-only, automatically = advancing every 20 seconds).  There are lots of online = tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good Pecha Kucha.  Here = are a few: [1], = [2], [3]. 
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= --Apple-Mail=_167E5029-2FDA-44AD-A132-8680DE2DB0BA-- From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:29:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A679B12D0B4; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:29:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.176 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, URIBL_SBL=1.623, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DRvypX8shXpL; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5E4612D590; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:28:58 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000603388.msg; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:28:58 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:28:58 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1996da19cb=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:28:55 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , =?UTF-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7Qsg==?= =?UTF-8?B?INCS0LDRgdC40LvQuNC5?= =?UTF-8?B?INCS0LDQtNC40LzQvtCy0LjRhw==?= Message-ID: <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker \(fred\)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:29:05 -0000 Those invoices are wrong. I=E2=80=99ve indicated it many times. In the EU, a vali= d invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the invoice. IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for persons= is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are not correc= t, and can=E2=80=99t be considered by accounting. I know for experience. Auditors = rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF invoices, receipts, etc., wh= ich don=E2=80=99t include my VAT number. AND you can=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9Cwrite it=E2=80=9D yourself. = It is considered an illegal modification of an invoice. Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not persons, u= nless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU for =E2=80=9Cservices=E2= =80=9D. It will then mean that you can also deduct the VAT of your hotel. If tha= t=E2=80=99s the case, it should be the same. Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be checked at = the EU web site VIES: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. I=E2=80=99m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted anyway, because i= t is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if that=E2=80=99s correct. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Carlos M. Mart= inez" Responder a: Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 17:54 Para: =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 , "carlos@lacnic.net" CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to follow ? I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may have. On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 wrot= e: > If you are =C2=ABa person=C2=BB - no way. >=20 > dol@ >=20 >> 7 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2016 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 18:46, Carlos M. Martinez =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): >> >> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU >> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? >> >> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I need= , for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>> >>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n=C2=B0 0000= 4005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> VMC Accounting Department >>>> >>>> VMC >>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>>> 92700 Colombes - France >>>> info@vamaco.eu >>>> >>>> --- >>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 v=C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e p= ar le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:36:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FFA12D11F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.198, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0d4j0RaX3eEu for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64D7812B026 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id uj8so7776429pab.3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=h80K7IjMAR7V3a6ADUngiQq9cmo9FgvBM9rjcOoVnHI=; b=IXXx0v0bEn8teXcDtaK4/oW4fouPBdZ5zIBkikMRi+HBQb7cbGT1b5MAsOjcZytymz lrclnn6UEh3buavZjuFiApFDA3gD9kxytE1w5/zUp4oxvB6dfQ82zl0P3MP814EThvPL 0sOcG7VZP0hW6/7BHx3nKZfvrLHS2WbpGdSYsEea7bGkp3ONaKFhnrVo4FkD0dX2oZdc eBOeQgk6KMI2KnWK9cNPNlkDE67MsWlPtqkDSli6dBz0oALvKNzKcSR1L79g6x2WvgBb PfEExWCcSeZ5x4aQX3j2aM3BnbjpQuKX34nWFqaCNIlAhLhZimAEcJw52xY6vw/55DPO oSgg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL0UpAqIg9w8Cvnvhb8gufKFGVsL3cNNVFkZn40awsVUIzBGezz2ixgEqh8bF9shw== X-Received: by 10.66.32.130 with SMTP id j2mr2206224pai.111.1467912994781; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac-bryan-wire.bryancall.com (70-59-128-57.ptld.qwest.net. [70.59.128.57]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j8sm5992951paj.22.2016.07.07.10.36.33 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Call Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9CEA8A5D-7707-436A-88F4-FEB31BFFCC3E" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:36:33 -0700 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:36:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9CEA8A5D-7707-436A-88F4-FEB31BFFCC3E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin. 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I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin.

Thank you,

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--Apple-Mail=_9CEA8A5D-7707-436A-88F4-FEB31BFFCC3E-- From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:38:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E1412D82B; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jxXuGWmxMWXN; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [162.247.75.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F08F12D829; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fifthhorseman.net (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A86E5F98B; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fifthhorseman.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7D0101FFD5; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor To: "Fred Baker \(fred\)" , "ietf-registrar\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.22+69~gd812194 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:38:19 -0400 Message-ID: <87d1mpfiwk.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_96th_IETF_July_17-22, _2016, _Berlin, _Germany_-_Final_VA?= T Invoice n? 00004005 X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:38:24 -0000 On Thu 2016-07-07 11:37:48 -0400, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I > need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html --dkg From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:40:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFFB12B026; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.176 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, URIBL_SBL=1.623, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZl3lgeiw49H; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 762A512D11F; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:39:58 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000603400.msg; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:39:58 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:39:58 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1996da19cb=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:39:54 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:40:02 -0000 More informaci=C3=B3n on this. 1) EU VAT invoicing rules: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/va= t/topics/invoicing_en.htm#when_invoice 2) In our case, the invoice is more tan 100 Euros, which means a COMPLETE (= vs simplified) invoice is mandatory: https://www.kpmg.com/RO/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Newsflash= es/Tax/Indirect-Tax-Newsflash/Documents/ITNF-108-EN.pdf Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Jordi Palet Martinez Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 19:28 Para: , =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8= =D1=87 CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Those invoices are wrong. I=E2=80=99ve indicated it many times. In the EU, a vali= d invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the invoice. IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for persons= is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are not correc= t, and can=E2=80=99t be considered by accounting. I know for experience. Auditors = rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF invoices, receipts, etc., wh= ich don=E2=80=99t include my VAT number. AND you can=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9Cwrite it=E2=80=9D yourself. = It is considered an illegal modification of an invoice. Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not persons, u= nless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU for =E2=80=9Cservices=E2= =80=9D. It will then mean that you can also deduct the VAT of your hotel. If tha= t=E2=80=99s the case, it should be the same. Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be checked at = the EU web site VIES: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. I=E2=80=99m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted anyway, because i= t is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if that=E2=80=99s correct. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Carlos M. Mart= inez" Responder a: Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 17:54 Para: =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 , "carlos@lacnic.net" CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to follow ? I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may have. On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 wrot= e: > If you are =C2=ABa person=C2=BB - no way. >=20 > dol@ >=20 >> 7 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2016 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 18:46, Carlos M. Martinez =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): >> >> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU >> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? >> >> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I need= , for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>> >>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n=C2=B0 0000= 4005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> VMC Accounting Department >>>> >>>> VMC >>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>>> 92700 Colombes - France >>>> info@vamaco.eu >>>> >>>> --- >>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 v=C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e p= ar le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:44:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E696C12D60B; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:44:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t_-jSWe7UQM3; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB8D512D18E; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mfilter49-d.gandi.net (mfilter49-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.180]) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413DCC5A63; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:44:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter49-d.gandi.net Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.194]) by mfilter49-d.gandi.net (mfilter49-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FhKKV3SG5CBM; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:44:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 93.199.242.26 Received: from nar-3.local (p5DC7F21A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.242.26]) (Authenticated sender: cabo@cabo.im) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5261FC5A5D; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <577E9507.90504@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:44:39 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Macintosh/20151105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:44:47 -0000 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > In the EU, a valid invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the invoice. Oh. Not having those on the invoice is definitely a big problem. Note that the VAT claim is a routine, high volume occurrence here, so there are no extra cookies being baked for weird invoices. I haven't consulted with my tax advisor, but I would expect the reverse charging construct does not apply here, as the "Ort der Leistungserbringung" is Germany and none of special exceptions seem to apply. YMMV. Grüße, Carsten From nobody Thu Jul 7 10:47:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C93C12D78B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TXLlnmMM3Uh9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay60.bu.edu (relay60.bu.edu [128.197.228.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2710112D13D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: aanchal4@bu.edu Received: from mail-qt0-f200.google.com (mail-qt0-f200.google.com [209.85.216.200]) by relay60.bu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id u67HkfJ3018887 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:46:41 -0400 Received: by mail-qt0-f200.google.com with SMTP id m2so38758617qtd.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=sCE4d7dexpEGIIEzho6kpN3s7vsdeYsXigPi5eJsias=; b=AAsq8vg2uwJa7GkcpOcvsA9BpQpYicucqL9Eyp4HVgIzquHv1RdLCW2o+fOjAG9Nwl ZmKNqYyvgxJhcToDKzkTdwp1CmOLVKKL9G1cWEOnXhfvUjh2cyABV7xeZNSh6wil0wUb Hp2WTWzxX0120+1vrVrAzCD4qGgkgm6dq/RWoWQndD9e4g7Se2VZi7EbMqtYQCO8nOJb hF7+qaCSkB1FqDCM5Wtd68YtxnP4rGzS72n1J2Zqk8jv2wNfWPV6JdYHRUFNvPH7hszh uAl0Yhklicmzdxjvak42DP2Vt57ZHaeqmPRRMud+HQYlzDEuLwVB79s53YxNWPZLd+SW iP+A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLb8OsOdSlB8fRBQt6lbnOIYFYp8A0VoQ/X/mWIDK9h60cdhuLQFpNB1F+HRU0Pn7TOEWcCrOCATLWS0cz0rtBiPhxSRUlRCRvNGOSz0uFHjYYJ/fPKJpQhqgp/YzRb/myEIBoF0NLfdhvGE521+A== X-Received: by 10.55.102.202 with SMTP id a193mr1751367qkc.69.1467913600757; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.55.102.202 with SMTP id a193mr1751345qkc.69.1467913600575; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.214.207 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Aanchal Malhotra Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:46:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: 96attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c05876eb93acf05370f4492 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:47:07 -0000 --94eb2c05876eb93acf05370f4492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey All, I am looking for one ticket too. Thanks! On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call wrote: > I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin. > > Thank you, > > -Bryan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --94eb2c05876eb93acf05370f4492 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,

I am looking for one ticke= t too.

Thanks!

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call <bcall@apach= e.org> wrote:
I am looking for two tickets to the social even= t in Berlin.

Thank you,

<= div>
-Bryan





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I am also hopeful that a ticket will become available.

Thanks

Stewart
Hey All,

I am looking for one ticket too.

Thanks!

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call <bcall@apache.org> wrote:
I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin.

Thank you,

-Bryan





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--Apple-Mail-1C4DAB67-643E-4562-8BE5-9CFDCD663C71-- From nobody Thu Jul 7 11:07:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7838C12D82E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SV7gb5hIRMD8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A96412D505 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014EB161255; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id hzZcLl8-UIAv; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD431161538; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id OOhAdVebcKNe; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs-211-21.cs.ucla.edu (Cs-211-21.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.211.21]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0730161255; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_86195DC4-542C-4308-BE5A-E8EA7457408C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Lixia Zhang In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:07:41 -0700 Message-Id: <112E2E11-C030-4F02-92B8-E401E6E884F2@cs.ucla.edu> References: To: Stewart Bryant X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:07:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_86195DC4-542C-4308-BE5A-E8EA7457408C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wonder whether all the social ticket thing could move to wiki? email seems the wrong tool to know the latest state of a ticket(request) > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Stewart Bryant = wrote: >=20 > I am also hopeful that a ticket will become available. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Stewart >=20 > On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:46, Aanchal Malhotra > wrote: >=20 >> Hey All, >>=20 >> I am looking for one ticket too. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call > wrote: >> I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin. >>=20 >> Thank you, >>=20 >> -Bryan >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees = >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees = > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_86195DC4-542C-4308-BE5A-E8EA7457408C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii wonder whether all the social ticket thing could move to = wiki?
email seems the wrong tool to know the latest state = of a ticket(request)

On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:51 AM, = Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

I am also hopeful that a ticket will become = available.

Thanks

Stewart

On 7 Jul 2016, at = 18:46, Aanchal Malhotra <aanchal4@bu.edu> wrote:

Hey All,

I am looking for one ticket too.

Thanks!

On Thu, = Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call <bcall@apache.org> wrote:
I am looking = for two tickets to the social event in Berlin.

Thank you,

-Bryan





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<316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> <914BD081-8745-4940-B91A-B4E599BA2489@cs.ucla.edu> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lixia Zhang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: Aaron Falk , 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:12:05 -0000 You could always do 10 slides and just duplicate each one :-) Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Lixia Zhang wrote: > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: > > Hey Folks- > > I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please send= me > an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if the > secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2= =80=A6 watch > this space. > > =E2=80=94aaron > > > 20 slides seem a lot, would 10 slides be allowed? > > > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > > Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha > Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD > > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in Jap= an, > where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on the screen > for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk lasting for 6:4= 0, > it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focus= ed > and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a IETF-relat= ed > and satirical or controversial in some way, although not mean-spirited. > Anyone can participate in this social event. (It will be BYOB.) > > Format Details: > > Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served. > To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to > aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive confirmation. > Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, > primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds). There a= re > lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good Pecha Kuc= ha. > Here are a few: [1], [2], [3]. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Thu Jul 7 11:14:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E9012D849 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2UZk2hac4Y8h for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 19.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (19.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net [178.33.251.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3761512D82E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player739.ha.ovh.net (b9.ovh.net [213.186.33.59]) by mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6104AFFC700 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:14:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p508BAB7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.139.171.125]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@francoallemand.eu) by player739.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2AAF24A0075 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:14:24 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:14:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 11240984670645260394 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrvdekgdduudeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenuc Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:14:29 -0000 Le 07/07/2016 à 19:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit : > Those invoices are wrong. I’ve indicated it many times. In the EU, a valid invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the invoice. Something weird: I checked the receipt from my first IETF meeting last year in Prague, and it contains my VAT number. I succeeded some way to put it on the invoice. This year, I did not find a way to put my VAT number on the receipt. > [...] > > IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for persons is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are not correct, and can’t be considered by accounting. I know for experience. Auditors rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF invoices, receipts, etc., which don’t include my VAT number. AND you can’t “write it” yourself. It is considered an illegal modification of an invoice. > > Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not persons, unless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU for “services”. It will then mean that you can also deduct the VAT of your hotel. If that’s the case, it should be the same. > > Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be checked at the EU web site VIES: > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ > The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. > > I’m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted anyway, because it is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if that’s correct. As a EU company, I confirm that this is a problem for us. Last time for the invoice about IETF in Prague, my accountant looked at me weirdly because I provided him an invoice with VAT percentage from Czechia invoiced by a company in France (with 2 VAT numbers: one from Czechia and one from France!). I don't know yet if I can be refunded due to this weird thing in the invoice (my accountant started the procedure, we don't know yet if it is accepted, we wait). And really, B2B invoicing in EU should have: - the VAT number of the invoicing company (only one number, not two from different countries!) - the VAT number of the invoiced company - and **no** VAT invoiced (except if in the same country, obviously) This makes the life of everybody easier. Personally, as a small company not having a dedicated financial department using to deal with such weird issues, I consider the VAT as lost (so IETF price is 19-21%, depending of the country, more expensive for us as the "official" price). As a lot of people have the IETF invoice paid by a company, it may be good to review the invoicing process and improve it about the VAT. 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See below. Please = send me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if = the secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of = presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space. >>=20 >> =E2=80=94aaron >=20 > 20 slides seem a lot, would 10 slides be allowed? The format is rather strict: 20 slides each on screen for 20 seconds (a = surprisingly short time). Fitting into the form is part of the fun, = IMO. I suggest looking at some of the sample talks. =E2=80=94aaron= --Apple-Mail=_85859B81-AFCC-438B-A16E-A452D327C470 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 7, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu> = wrote:


On = Jul 6, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin.  See = below.  Please send me an email if you want to participate. =  The event will happen if the secretariat gives me a room and we = get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space.

=E2=80=94aaron

20 slides seem a lot, would 10 slides be = allowed?

The = format is rather strict: 20 slides each on screen for 20 seconds (a = surprisingly short time).  Fitting into the form is part of the = fun, IMO.  I suggest looking at some of the sample = talks.

=E2=80=94aaron
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[81.156.153.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i6sm1147118wjk.3.2016.07.07.11.07.18 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:07:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) From: John Dowdell Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:07:17 +0100 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, carlos@lacnic.net, "Fred Baker \(fred\)" , =?utf-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7QsiDQktCw0YHQuNC70LjQuSDQktCw0LQ=?= =?utf-8?B?0LjQvNC+0LLQuNGH?= , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:33:49 -0000 Having just been through wire transfer payment hell with my company, I'd lik= e to add that it would have been really useful to have the VAT details writt= en on the invoice, as not everyone involved in the payment process (and ther= e were surprisingly many for me) cared about VAT and I had to keep chasing t= o point out the oddity of paying a US registered company with German VAT. Regards John Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: >=20 > Those invoices are wrong. I=E2=80=99ve indicated it many times. In the EU,= a valid invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the invoice= . >=20 > IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for person= s is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are not corre= ct, and can=E2=80=99t be considered by accounting. I know for experience. Au= ditors rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF invoices, receipts, e= tc., which don=E2=80=99t include my VAT number. AND you can=E2=80=99t =E2=80= =9Cwrite it=E2=80=9D yourself. It is considered an illegal modification of a= n invoice. >=20 > Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not persons, u= nless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU for =E2=80=9Cser= vices=E2=80=9D. It will then mean that you can also deduct the VAT of your h= otel. If that=E2=80=99s the case, it should be the same. >=20 > Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be checked at= the EU web site VIES: > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ > The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted anyway, be= cause it is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if that=E2=80=99s c= orrect. >=20 >=20 > Saludos, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Carlos M. Mar= tinez" > Responder a: > Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 17:54 > Para: =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0= =B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87= , "carlos@lacnic.net" > CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fi= nal VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 >=20 > Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to follow ?= >=20 > I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may have. >=20 >> On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92= =D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0= =B2=D0=B8=D1=87 wrote: >> If you are =C2=ABa person=C2=BB - no way. >>=20 >> dol@ >>=20 >>> 7 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2016 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 18:46, Carlos M. Martine= z =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0)= : >>>=20 >>> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU >>> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? >>>=20 >>>> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I need= , for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>>>=20 >>>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n=C2=B0 0= 0004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, German= y. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Best regards, >>>>>=20 >>>>> VMC Accounting Department >>>>>=20 >>>>> VMC >>>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>>>> 92700 Colombes - France >>>>> info@vamaco.eu >>>>>=20 >>>>> --- >>>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 v= =C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 7 11:55:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C20912D857 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N2QjDRrMYfa5 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B49112D859 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id f6so26460979ith.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:55:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=om0uw3Rq4sDkGQCqyAL/jw28Tz1kS7olYzRC2x0DNIc=; b=x/HUgyUWyrPllhX53neyginggrlzpH4b/lHltOy9RWkN/v9z797K4m57z+pwy7lfXY jKkjcWRJqHpJVmn8ip6GWfhi7nXdCiyhNYggsIN/Bp0cQoFISMaZfJTT/uTpmcsoBBCa EbklyxeWTKfpFLn7uWi5pHQgpFEJs8dpYXf1HQcNN7b4XgqW0/YkomGaDVGFp+8ZViPt ngIDoxr+MM6b8/7qBszDxXKSvGiP9KAsR5PlW8p6M5n+GaMJkqvyvyjuDYD03KqLaPGy pCj6ybcgJQ59NrhzyC5VGopXcvOR/WAq4w8BJt1z8MPCyTUCGGQau3zRjVELHbrB8yZz Kr9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=om0uw3Rq4sDkGQCqyAL/jw28Tz1kS7olYzRC2x0DNIc=; b=acBf+HE8Iz6uVCCx6Np7gOpYfv7xbnsoUQ/PDqZbDquddWxx3/IuowY6FSrr2EuD2e pKHbCzhdg/dAGvYc2KsHPJbLBjWwHqJtjQW6rJcaZp0av+3hl1ibUnNFCl8V0vmKnyOe AiRzzXFuM0sg7FFMdIMYL6DqkZoFZD0VTyKIu+Hlaq0orMe+hbH4aPbebNhiOt3gyqLx QZJL1eB8u0lHOE1oXU2C9U3eW9Ci4Z2hU6rDSZMsqIpreg/2FYzVW9CNf6VqfhTh3BRB fvI3NXvMN9NKbjEApbcUmqtQ+ysHBtVpC9cfdxvK++CrPhqLEcnDl0drjC5HA9tjKfaV gzzg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLiRWZeNRXPpP1vQ34vdZ3BlOqzwbtx6MUJVJLtkhEmKY4k+9mTcCMb5CPvm+vpu2CvRwNbJX9m7DdUcQ== X-Received: by 10.36.123.199 with SMTP id q190mr4739886itc.42.1467917706677; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:55:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.46.165 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:54:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Tessa Fallon Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:54:27 -0400 Message-ID: To: 96attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114762fe77541405371039af Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:55:15 -0000 --001a114762fe77541405371039af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Also looking for a ticket. Danke! On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > I am also hopeful that a ticket will become available. > > Thanks > > Stewart > > On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:46, Aanchal Malhotra wrote: > > Hey All, > > I am looking for one ticket too. > > Thanks! > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call wrote: > >> I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin. >> >> Thank you, >> >> -Bryan >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a114762fe77541405371039af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also looking for a ticket.=C2=A0 Danke!

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:51 PM= , Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also= hopeful that a ticket will become available.

Than= ks

= Stewart

On 7 Jul 2016, a= t 18:46, Aanchal Malhotra <aanchal4@bu.edu> wrote:

Hey All,

I am looking for o= ne ticket too.

Thanks!
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call <bca= ll@apache.org> wrote:
I am looking for two tickets to the soc= ial event in Berlin.

Thank you,

-Bryan





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--001a114762fe77541405371039af-- From nobody Thu Jul 7 11:55:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6483112D857 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cdt.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gCCW3swxW2Wx for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x231.google.com (mail-vk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BE6112D519 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id v6so32244863vkb.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jrm9lpp44vqVI21TrzD44ANySV+o4U06mrpJI+oR5Oc=; b=DtvoiupWHTZKfsejOyajA07QzpHawC/NLhw4RLL0MKwGup3+sf+MFDwN+of7nstTYn LyRrgnNfCVYHcdS71aAWwOxSmx5QZsHQwWIqMXwyiI6D78N67bEu9ZT/UYmPjakArYYR v2I3qaVOvc2tIyToRGp5HrS6bFPkygs4N60Rw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jrm9lpp44vqVI21TrzD44ANySV+o4U06mrpJI+oR5Oc=; b=Ad9Ft4km6MvlAtKjnIRoxmSXmdtqLYS50xiVey7TF4ckmzwOyqEQlawbHZG8BIKhJJ gVXrRcQ+4HlBU6CGsWg3ydFoPPwBiS81thhNpQ09jXRMWQhZbxJgP8BM+0APAkBXghtw VYa9NgCoIvfMDC2wckl6lcXGKcNj+UcJsYH/xWfaN/gq9E69ShDZnsWsVcHaff7CS8tZ 7YYBebMYORcZVyYHPHQfsIpG3B4S60570eMkPB+A5B13WDmbxMq9V/AFG2MOtNfq1laK uGUqNhEgQLxrc9MPxVxFcWaAe8dqtAQPu0iKFtacaHKhjqUcLmDm0rJD1D7MqdElte23 PYUA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKjUBi5u4JyQJih+5veHrHM3daZ4dAKeK0fc9F1hVUqpBaIRG7hJRJvCUgmMenjRFweRYcwYLthalp2iNSA X-Received: by 10.159.36.242 with SMTP id 105mr851789uar.19.1467917729311; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:55:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.29.71 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <112E2E11-C030-4F02-92B8-E401E6E884F2@cs.ucla.edu> References: <112E2E11-C030-4F02-92B8-E401E6E884F2@cs.ucla.edu> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:55:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lixia Zhang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Stewart Bryant , 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:55:32 -0000 Well, until there is a wiki: I'm looking for one too for myself On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Lixia Zhang wrote: > wonder whether all the social ticket thing could move to wiki? > email seems the wrong tool to know the latest state of a ticket(request) > > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Stewart Bryant > wrote: > > I am also hopeful that a ticket will become available. > > Thanks > > Stewart > > On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:46, Aanchal Malhotra wrote: > > Hey All, > > I am looking for one ticket too. > > Thanks! > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call wrote: >> >> I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin. >> >> Thank you, >> >> -Bryan >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Thu Jul 7 12:09:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7107112D7E4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I39XKGO84Dos for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x236.google.com (mail-vk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A7F112D1CB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id d67so32863221vkh.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=a9xtMT83h9+KaOp/Dc53FicBadMxej59u++1we9kAvk=; b=eMFWbkLtSVZi/8zBJV3E8rxfHUk7kjQV2VAdKmZVHSUsoyZCl8P8fLVfbNoYOEcaJY nsK6TyIZzlKrm3Vtq6JY2mN53wsy6VrioChR95UgeysBVlKNQdivnApoW0TCkY57Hrwb 9w5LNg+lxZJhaa+e0r4E56qlZMsnKgW73St/l5GZNaimms8xVON5OVPeQRZD+JWARXDa zAnlB8dVocuz3iwnybJwkxrqg8Lsm4Q9PbGrQhDc+6inTYfGXDHRLp9OsM1fa9zhTtdr bcCfVl+/0ZPjVazM78skGGzqMMoJU3bNyY/zD2vqO1kgzepqoRA4FJnOsplbQYlCiuCy yD5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=a9xtMT83h9+KaOp/Dc53FicBadMxej59u++1we9kAvk=; b=ZDAQtNjPAdzJNy/dLp0IZmZ5uR+1fq2E8xzHAoyGdUYKk1MIMW5pxiFrN9aDLLb9Zq y+ljfJgPT4pl1+5QDMsCyIKVe1scBne/arUg+PmCjqOxi7ZbF7nVNCWBcex7ox9jy50b +1+moaowBNJERkYXwmiEAjHYoCNkO5bvOp496zVS/HH6tWLZSabo3QnTG2uLLdgTLl+m 4Ek17OqdpEHFxaZ7vPxg082QZvU41lE7ThhTol3Tu3Ey9pgWORQLUaW8PADslckATqpZ dTKuYnXM1TXXj5//ZxpfJiPlE+Jn69gA5LqnGv9zQ3OPuAUwzhXZ+Cx5pNl8Rc7vsrX5 yEfA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIhnHBspVepzNJ8t02WbD8KXiOKDuSugEHV9x9PieguzMJwj1hW6aga36vPXWA5wcDNDBKSdGFpi3lvXw== X-Received: by 10.176.64.194 with SMTP id i60mr870273uad.98.1467918536171; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.35.112 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:08:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <112E2E11-C030-4F02-92B8-E401E6E884F2@cs.ucla.edu> From: Behcet Sarikaya Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:08:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Stewart Bryant , 96attendees@ietf.org, Lixia Zhang Subject: Re: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:08:59 -0000 There was already one thread on social tickets that I had created, why create another one? Folks I think we should pressure IETF to issue more social tickets! Behcet On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > Well, until there is a wiki: I'm looking for one too for myself > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Lixia Zhang wrote: >> wonder whether all the social ticket thing could move to wiki? >> email seems the wrong tool to know the latest state of a ticket(request) >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Stewart Bryant >> wrote: >> >> I am also hopeful that a ticket will become available. >> >> Thanks >> >> Stewart >> >> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:46, Aanchal Malhotra wrote: >> >> Hey All, >> >> I am looking for one ticket too. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call wrote: >>> >>> I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> -Bryan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 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[70.59.128.57]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v126sm6228704pfb.60.2016.07.07.13.51.08 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FA1FD792-7000-494B-B2F6-2E43122DB193" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Bryan Call In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:51:07 -0700 Message-Id: References: <112E2E11-C030-4F02-92B8-E401E6E884F2@cs.ucla.edu> To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Stewart Bryant , 96attendees@ietf.org, Lixia Zhang Subject: Re: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 20:51:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FA1FD792-7000-494B-B2F6-2E43122DB193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I created a Google Form for people looking for social tickets: = https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/18fpIM0OK5EezO0AyILZKgPSeMVj7GiX8TgqS-= rNH3MI/edit = This is the spreadsheet for the results: = https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EASir0Z1gdcMWfnc4_--tg7014qph0haug= wqwvfDDN4/edit#gid=3D1980296527 = Thank you, -Bryan > On Jul 7, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: >=20 > Well, until there is a wiki: I'm looking for one too for myself >=20 > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Lixia Zhang wrote: >> wonder whether all the social ticket thing could move to wiki? >> email seems the wrong tool to know the latest state of a = ticket(request) >>=20 >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Stewart Bryant = >> wrote: >>=20 >> I am also hopeful that a ticket will become available. >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> Stewart >>=20 >> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:46, Aanchal Malhotra wrote: >>=20 >> Hey All, >>=20 >> I am looking for one ticket too. >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call wrote: >>>=20 >>> I am looking for two tickets to the social event in Berlin. >>>=20 >>> Thank you, >>>=20 >>> -Bryan >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology = [https://www.cdt.org] > 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 > e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_FA1FD792-7000-494B-B2F6-2E43122DB193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I created a Google Form for people looking for social = tickets:
https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/18fpIM0OK5EezO0AyILZKgPSeMV= j7GiX8TgqS-rNH3MI/edit

This is the spreadsheet for the results:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EASir0Z1gdcMWfnc4_--tg7= 014qph0haugwqwvfDDN4/edit#gid=3D1980296527

Thank you,

-Bryan




On Jul 7, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> = wrote:

Well, until there is a wiki: I'm looking for one too for = myself

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:07 PM, = Lixia Zhang <lixia@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
wonder whether all the social ticket thing = could move to wiki?
email seems the wrong tool to know the = latest state of a ticket(request)

On Jul 7, = 2016, at 10:51 AM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
wrote:

I am also hopeful that a ticket will become = available.

Thanks

Stewart

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:46, = Aanchal Malhotra <aanchal4@bu.edu> wrote:

Hey= All,

I am looking for one ticket too.

Thanks!

On Thu, = Jul 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryan Call <bcall@apache.org> wrote:

I am looking for two tickets to = the social event in Berlin.

Thank you,

-Bryan





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Johansson" In-Reply-To: <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:09:35 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" , Olle E Johansson , "Fred Baker \(fred\)" , =?utf-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7QsiDQktCw0YHQuNC70LjQuSDQktCw0LQ=?= =?utf-8?B?0LjQvNC+0LLQuNGH?= , carlos@lacnic.net Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 07:09:39 -0000 > On 07 Jul 2016, at 19:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted = anyway, because it is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if = that=E2=80=99s correct. That part is indeed correct - there are special clauses for rock = concerts, conferences and trainings where VAT has to be charged (and paid to the state) in the country where the event happens. = When I do trainings in Spain, I have to charge Spanish VAT and report to Spanish IRS even though my company is = registred in the Kingdom of Sweden. 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Care to fix it, for those who care about *not* opening one ? :) Thanks. --=20 Mathieu Goessens Research Engineer Telecom-Bretagne --QWRSqvmvuOKSeoqwtKDroPk3aP52SqwFE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXf5tkAAoJELFU+P/mVOqnGDgP/jV1csekd7mHTagfe+j21a8J wv/qnxq8SDYD5a5n2s2jrhjVaRLKEazzsLsO9iDZiQwGlNwg+uOhgJjH8YlbqQet SYfc2TWijuQM+f7Y3cuoJSwDzvSZmMq3LU4pLaSGGS9QiAeCWrDV+0h6rzi5CFTb VdogiB2x7uXrx4Ytl6BEzlNoE9jfvPqtuzISoTynY5e149o/HqG6ZvPvTrk90C5y T9E3nNH6xC/+XYChyufIU6iW54QLpwlwS+cqfgGzVIdCgTzLsYBM6h8I1W0OjUuX Uo/MZm5lElTRjgRB+lXb6akHP0Wnzyjsr06OnLIX4F+qOxGuMy0ZM5bX0dwtEH/a B1Ph/XtMm7xmIH7LN8OVCJ03kdH3wx3yeQlcTAo+GScXmWiXnsuKuIFc4/m2O//O G47yahZDHa9d1oCoHDR3qVDV/P1X/xcZhfpRlPHwrCVVXvQGyzG87jRawrSEBjmv SWoUroF+JJjea06K+edBCRQhpC4ry5I9mV5JZYHJ2A6zCuBOz8f59qAxc3Jv4TtN gJR8ISErRR67v81uckvLWHtS0+otjC17sKK3zXQZsUOAIdyP8y/FeKshNpoH2gO/ jQiAM9Pt0y6UPm1MMniahHgSrinr2+jPxRzpUjGyBXKHVRAWC8FsyahhQwTOaqsv yh/rWmvvxX5wkJBXmRJp =8maR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QWRSqvmvuOKSeoqwtKDroPk3aP52SqwFE-- From nobody Fri Jul 8 10:13:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA4012D592 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.198, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UKSc8pLoPURB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-f180.google.com (mail-pf0-f180.google.com [209.85.192.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B94D12D1A2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t190so14318086pfb.3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:13:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=41MGdz7IGKu+6C71lXIDTdY974vdL+ju0p/ZAqqahX8=; b=KxoRMMfV2YSR+X8YzVbcljy8XfgaVXUNpybnd6QgjOQfc3AVXeBg2VxeYAG4F9DO1E eM6VGNmgs2nJq91UI/hURxPutalmaFtH9flL+8keCQuo5kitKCjnBWuu9rycmFaGhDl5 sMsplbgjMdlE90PGfFfupe4RvlSs9zDPg41eBVWGKJsU5J4rJF6lPe6kv7gWkr1aQiA2 fC2bQ5wzyeGXhh+V1CRaUHvkbwfmCiatf+mma+rFj5eNgy0ygXMuMBvhQ8RuqZiNTbmD ZZLtMaqI7alfNzW5bXB2EuZ45mREysRygSmfQXVEaq4SvyHbxwdkzHHU2GDYoIy6yVOp 5FkA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJOZxq0EvW+P52N/xakMPWzp4RbtOYrtbGU6O6MdYo/yeTy9p8JJRcVqGvyrNl+pw== X-Received: by 10.98.210.66 with SMTP id c63mr11696280pfg.25.1467998016693; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac-bryan-wire.bryancall.com (70-59-128-57.ptld.qwest.net. [70.59.128.57]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69sm5857178pfc.90.2016.07.08.10.13.34 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_33C87D03-3274-4ACE-AB86-5B9032AF0536" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Bryan Call In-Reply-To: <5f1b0251-71ed-aaa5-7560-f2d7ba64d771@telecom-bretagne.eu> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:13:33 -0700 Message-Id: <3DB59C83-C757-44D2-B5DC-BE790A61C4DF@apache.org> References: <112E2E11-C030-4F02-92B8-E401E6E884F2@cs.ucla.edu> <5f1b0251-71ed-aaa5-7560-f2d7ba64d771@telecom-bretagne.eu> To: Mathieu Goessens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Social Event Tickets Wanted X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:13:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_33C87D03-3274-4ACE-AB86-5B9032AF0536 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I removed the requirement for having a Google account. If there is = abuse on the form, I will have to reenable it. -Bryan > On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:24 AM, Mathieu Goessens = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Le 07/07/2016 =E0 22:51, Bryan Call a =E9crit : >> I created a Google Form for people looking for social tickets: >> = https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/18fpIM0OK5EezO0AyILZKgPSeMVj7GiX8TgqS-= rNH3MI/edit = >>=20 >> This is the spreadsheet for the results: >> = https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EASir0Z1gdcMWfnc4_--tg7014qph0haug= wqwvfDDN4/edit#gid=3D1980296527 = >>=20 >=20 > Nice but it requires a Google account. Care to fix it, for those who > care about *not* opening one ? :) Thanks. >=20 > --=20 > Mathieu Goessens > Research Engineer > Telecom-Bretagne >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_33C87D03-3274-4ACE-AB86-5B9032AF0536 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I removed the requirement for having a Google account. =  If there is abuse on the form, I will have to reenable it.

-Bryan




On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:24 AM, Mathieu Goessens <mathieu.goessens@telecom-bretagne.eu> wrote:

Hi,
Le 07/07/2016 =E0 22:51, Bryan Call a =E9crit = :
I created a Google = Form for people looking for social tickets:
https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/18fpIM0OK5EezO0AyILZKgPSeMV= j7GiX8TgqS-rNH3MI/edit <https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/18fpIM0OK5EezO0AyILZKgPSeMV= j7GiX8TgqS-rNH3MI/edit>

This is the = spreadsheet for the results:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EASir0Z1gdcMWfnc4_--tg7= 014qph0haugwqwvfDDN4/edit#gid=3D1980296527 <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EASir0Z1gdcMWfnc4_--tg7= 014qph0haugwqwvfDDN4/edit#gid=3D1980296527>


Nice but it requires a Google = account. Care to fix it, for those who
care about *not* = opening one ? :) Thanks.

--
Mathieu Goessens
Research Engineer
Telecom-Bretagne

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Received: from out.east.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-va-1.pexch112.icann.org [162.216.194.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C65AE127058 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-E1-VA-2.pexch112.icann.org (162.216.194.26) by PMBX112-E1-VA-1.pexch112.icann.org (162.216.194.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:45:03 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-E1-VA-2.pexch112.icann.org ([162.216.194.26]) by PMBX112-E1-VA-2.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([162.216.194.26]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:45:03 -0700 From: Matt Larson To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Invitation to "Upcoming ZSK and KSK Changes to the Root Zone" on Tuesday, 19 June, in Berlin Thread-Index: AQHR2VE4hQi7xOsmP0WklBbaR8S5DA== Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 19:45:03 +0000 Message-ID: <093274DA-857D-46FA-94D8-3110D8D41E85@icann.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.44.2] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_093274DA857D46FA94D83110D8D41E85icannorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Invitation to "Upcoming ZSK and KSK Changes to the Root Zone" on Tuesday, 19 June, in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 19:45:09 -0000 --_000_093274DA857D46FA94D83110D8D41E85icannorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear IETF colleagues, I'd like to invite anyone interested in DNSSEC in the root zone to a sessio= n on "Upcoming ZSK and KSK Changes to the Root Zone" on Tuesday, 19 June, f= rom 1230-1345 in the Bellevue Room in the InterContinental Hotel. ICANN an= d Verisign, as IANA Functions Operator and Root Zone Manager, respectively,= are cooperating on two projects that are changing aspects of DNSSEC operat= ion in the root zone: the root zone ZSK is increasing in size from 1024 bit= s to 2048 bits and the root zone KSK will be changing. Duane Wessels from Verisign and I will talk abou= t the plans and answer any questions. Because of the critical nature of the root zone and the significance of the= se changes, Verisign and ICANN are making a number of presentations to incr= ease awareness. We approached the IAB about a presentation in Berlin and t= hey suggested this lunchtime slot. We'd like to thank the IAB and the Secr= etariat for graciously offering a room. Thanks and see you in Berlin, Matt -- Matt Larson VP of Research Office of the CTO, ICANN --_000_093274DA857D46FA94D83110D8D41E85icannorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear IETF colleagues,

I'd like to invite anyone interested in DNSSEC in the root = zone to a session on "Upcoming ZSK and KSK Changes to the Root Zone&qu= ot; on Tuesday, 19 June, from 1230-1345 in the Bellevue Room in the InterCo= ntinental Hotel.  ICANN and Verisign, as IANA Functions Operator and Root Zone Manager, respectively, are cooperating on= two projects that are changing aspects of DNSSEC operation in the root zon= e: the root zone ZSK is increasing in size from 1024 bits to 2048 bits and the roo= t zone KSK will be changing.  Duane Wessels from Verisign and I wi= ll talk about the plans and answer any questions.

Because of the critical nature of the root zone and the sig= nificance of these changes, Verisign and ICANN are making a number of prese= ntations to increase awareness.  We approached the IAB about a present= ation in Berlin and they suggested this lunchtime slot.  We'd like to thank the IAB and the Secretariat for g= raciously offering a room.

Thanks and see you in Berlin,

Matt
--
Matt Larson
VP of Research
Office of the CTO, ICANN

--_000_093274DA857D46FA94D83110D8D41E85icannorg_-- From nobody Fri Jul 8 16:12:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A28912D14D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.324 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_SBL=1.623, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CJkOtptJrQ4q for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1D2C12D69E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446A41E5D75; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QpDcMqFq8sTR; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.152] (c-98-248-34-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.248.34.192]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8F43F1E5D72; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:11:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sendlaterdate: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:11:49 -0700 Message-Id: <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Carlos M. Martinez" , Fred Baker , =?utf-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7QsiDQktCw0YHQuNC70LjQuSDQktCw0LQ=?= =?utf-8?B?0LjQvNC+0LLQuNGH?= Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 23:12:13 -0000 Jordi, First, I want to apologize. While our meeting registration form does = have a field to collect VAT ID, the system was configured in such a way = that the VAT field was hidden from view; it was therefore invisible to = attendees registering for the meeting.=20 We reenabled the field several hours ago. However, if you registered = when the field was hidden and need to have a VAT invoice, you can enter = your VAT ID via this form: = https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf96/editvatid.py. Please note that = you will need to have your registration numberer handy. VMC will reissue proper VAT invoices to anyone who completes that form. = I apologize for the inconvenience.=20 Regards, Alexa On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:28 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: > Those invoices are wrong. I=E2=80=99ve indicated it many times. In the = EU, a valid invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the = invoice. >=20 > IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for = persons is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are = not correct, and can=E2=80=99t be considered by accounting. I know for = experience. Auditors rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF = invoices, receipts, etc., which don=E2=80=99t include my VAT number. AND = you can=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9Cwrite it=E2=80=9D yourself. It is considered = an illegal modification of an invoice. >=20 > Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not = persons, unless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU = for =E2=80=9Cservices=E2=80=9D. It will then mean that you can also = deduct the VAT of your hotel. If that=E2=80=99s the case, it should be = the same. >=20 > Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be = checked at the EU web site VIES: > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ > The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted = anyway, because it is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if = that=E2=80=99s correct. >=20 >=20 > Saludos, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Carlos M. = Martinez" > Responder a: > Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 17:54 > Para: =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81= =D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1= =87 , "carlos@lacnic.net" > CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker (fred)" = , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany = - Final VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 >=20 > Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to = follow ? >=20 > I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may have. >=20 > On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 = =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0= =BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 wrote: >> If you are =C2=ABa person=C2=BB - no way. >>=20 >> dol@ >>=20 >>> 7 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2016 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 18:46, Carlos M. = Martinez =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB= (=D0=B0): >>>=20 >>> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU >>> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? >>>=20 >>> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I = need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>>>=20 >>>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n=C2=B0= 00004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, = Germany. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Best regards, >>>>>=20 >>>>> VMC Accounting Department >>>>>=20 >>>>> VMC >>>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>>>> 92700 Colombes - France >>>>> info@vamaco.eu >>>>>=20 >>>>> --- >>>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3=A9= v=C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From nobody Sat Jul 9 00:53:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1129F12D0C3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 00:53:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.176 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, URIBL_SBL=1.623, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3UoGq3dUiDG for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 00:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486D612D0A4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 00:53:03 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:52:59 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604097.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:52:59 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:52:59 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:52:59 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Carlos M. Martinez" , Fred Baker , =?UTF-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7Qsg==?= =?UTF-8?B?INCS0LDRgdC40LvQuNC5?= =?UTF-8?B?INCS0LDQtNC40LzQvtCy0LjRhw==?= Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 07:53:06 -0000 This way is against the law. IS NOT THAT YOU SHOULD REIUSSE THE INVOICE ONLY FOR THOSE THAT COMPLETE THE= FORM. YOU MUST (MANDATORY) ISSUE THE INVOICES FOR ALL, INCLUDING THIS FIELD, THEY= LIKE IT OR NOT, OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THE EU TAX LAWS. For example, each IET= F participant, must provide it in order to collect the registration ID. Otherwise it means we want the IETF to act illegally! NICE! And by the way, you must force this field as mandatory in ALL the registrat= ions for ALL IETFs, even if they are not in EU, European people need to have= it in their invoices, despite. I=E2=80=99ve told this to the secretariat since ma= ny years ago, many times. I=E2=80=99ve also indicated that the word =E2=80=9CInvoice=E2=80=9D = must be in what in other countries call =E2=80=9CReceipt=E2=80=9D otherwise EU people ca= n=E2=80=99t include the IETF registration fee as and expense in the accounting. I hope you start doing it from now on. I=E2=80=99ve done it already. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Alexa Morris Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 1:11 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Carlos M. Martinez" , Fred Baker , =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8= =D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Jordi, First, I want to apologize. While our meeting registration form does have a= field to collect VAT ID, the system was configured in such a way that the V= AT field was hidden from view; it was therefore invisible to attendees regis= tering for the meeting.=20 We reenabled the field several hours ago. However, if you registered when t= he field was hidden and need to have a VAT invoice, you can enter your VAT I= D via this form: https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf96/editvatid.py. Plea= se note that you will need to have your registration numberer handy. VMC will reissue proper VAT invoices to anyone who completes that form. I a= pologize for the inconvenience.=20 Regards, Alexa On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:28 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Those invoices are wrong. I=E2=80=99ve indicated it many times. In the EU, a va= lid invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the invoice. >=20 > IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for perso= ns is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are not corr= ect, and can=E2=80=99t be considered by accounting. I know for experience. Auditor= s rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF invoices, receipts, etc., = which don=E2=80=99t include my VAT number. AND you can=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9Cwrite it=E2=80=9D yourself= . It is considered an illegal modification of an invoice. >=20 > Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not persons,= unless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU for =E2=80=9Cservice= s=E2=80=9D. It will then mean that you can also deduct the VAT of your hotel. If t= hat=E2=80=99s the case, it should be the same. >=20 > Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be checked a= t the EU web site VIES: > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ > The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted anyway, because= it is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if that=E2=80=99s correct. >=20 >=20 > Saludos, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Carlos M. Ma= rtinez" > Responder a: > Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 17:54 > Para: =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 , "carlos@lacnic.net" > CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - F= inal VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 >=20 > Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to follow= ? >=20 > I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may have. >=20 > On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 wr= ote: >> If you are =C2=ABa person=C2=BB - no way. >>=20 >> dol@ >>=20 >>> 7 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2016 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 18:46, Carlos M. Martinez =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): >>>=20 >>> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU >>> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? >>>=20 >>> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I nee= d, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>>>=20 >>>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n=C2=B0 000= 04005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Best regards, >>>>>=20 >>>>> VMC Accounting Department >>>>>=20 >>>>> VMC >>>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>>>> 92700 Colombes - France >>>>> info@vamaco.eu >>>>>=20 >>>>> --- >>>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3=A9 v=C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e = par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:08:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1AB12D0F3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:08:09 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:07:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 12747720223084974186 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrfedvgddufeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenuc Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:08:17 -0000 Le 09/07/2016 à 09:52, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit : > This way is against the law. > > IS NOT THAT YOU SHOULD REIUSSE THE INVOICE ONLY FOR THOSE THAT COMPLETE THE FORM. > > YOU MUST (MANDATORY) ISSUE THE INVOICES FOR ALL, INCLUDING THIS FIELD, THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THE EU TAX LAWS. For example, each IETF participant, must provide it in order to collect the registration ID. Trying to understand all these VAT issues. Having an invoice from France with VAT from Germany looks like normal, OK. Being invoiced with VAT instead of more classical B2B European invoices without VAT looks like not possible, OK. But by curiosity, why must they issue again the exact same invoice if VAT number is empty e.g. for individuals (they don't have VAT number) or for small companies (some of them don't have a VAT number)? Which line of which document makes reissuing only for entities with a VAT number illegal? I don't see your point about the need to issue again all invoices, I understand that the issue is only for people having a VAT number, VAT is already a big issue so maybe there is no need to add extra problems. > [...] From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:19:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B7512D11C for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:19:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYm_C1uQU3YS for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 000FF12D11B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:19:35 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:19:29 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604107.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:19:29 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:19:29 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:19:26 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:19:38 -0000 Because the EU law is clear: YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T HA= VE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a pe= rson or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alternati= vely an ID. That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m asking if we want an IETF which doesn=E2=80=99t follow EU laws= . It may cost the IETF thousands of euros in fines. All the companies IN EU have a VAT number. It is mandatory. What they may n= ot have is it validated in the EU, so they must get charged for the VAT even= in intra-EU operations. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jerome Martinez= Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:07 Para: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Le 09/07/2016 =C3=A0 09:52, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =C3=A9crit : > This way is against the law. > > IS NOT THAT YOU SHOULD REIUSSE THE INVOICE ONLY FOR THOSE THAT COMPLETE T= HE FORM. > > YOU MUST (MANDATORY) ISSUE THE INVOICES FOR ALL, INCLUDING THIS FIELD, TH= EY LIKE IT OR NOT, OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THE EU TAX LAWS. For example, each I= ETF participant, must provide it in order to collect the registration ID. Trying to understand all these VAT issues. Having an invoice from France with VAT from Germany looks like normal, OK. Being invoiced with VAT instead of more classical B2B European invoices=20 without VAT looks like not possible, OK. But by curiosity, why must they issue again the exact same invoice if=20 VAT number is empty e.g. for individuals (they don't have VAT number) or=20 for small companies (some of them don't have a VAT number)? Which line=20 of which document makes reissuing only for entities with a VAT number=20 illegal? I don't see your point about the need to issue again all invoices, I=20 understand that the issue is only for people having a VAT number, VAT is=20 already a big issue so maybe there is no need to add extra problems. > [...] _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:27:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB71F12D131 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u0fagEA927sX for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x235.google.com (mail-wm0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22D8612B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x235.google.com with SMTP id n127so35969539wme.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:27:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7qplwNXT8fFtE6hmXoYzzB1+M7I2IYOxxfvKQ+7G4bY=; b=wrFY1N0+IgbtQXwLrMvFcCMLb2evhfEE3fJJJD/7aExD1IwiDnzm7UP9vXfrsUpccE CMnQbqZq1cAO0JVR2Ofapsrjs/uydLxnpe+TpITsZBgEKU8KwjClT1bgINUsMSSvJWdA WVXRn8VFJ6tQY0sBjBN2kVzvI8Z/sIDD0w9DaMFVlHR/MQ+OYzMWp6tfbY2Cw5++JpJ0 qtxbzWsV6WfI/b/yhujtsn5WdV4bQekGKlDEn1hsP7np0xY0UA2bYwF/8yWQbJWZFpyQ 9gSO8/zIOJfVL1AMfoURFf0hTp6TTM0n4oeJE1HOeZv+wiVJOpwsMBo//7vxoozrFh0T SR6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7qplwNXT8fFtE6hmXoYzzB1+M7I2IYOxxfvKQ+7G4bY=; b=ag/52SqWWfg/WSpH+KX3OisVubUMXE1hiLmbhbUVsNqSIl/ploqf1DLmeFB2U4lien +ebAHxMcdcDe8xQUtKHqr/Wp7aNcodU0+dFplyfitJYMD4lcoSI1ly/vjtMkQJqYYjtU mkDBiblW4FOiTsY/1QOJNR/UiPsrpMv1nxxzZK2DrgbulgaJbwzaPHL3oYU6VzFF9Dj8 YUVxFB2hGCHMfqe2YRFyPdmrhMQF3iY32DN5ZK1W7Sy8irm8TLI+x4lzW7uiWtfhKdK0 ju234UBqZSa4QPhCYjzKG0u7+RCAbIBn+ZK/5PfMq7vW9Kf7VaFiKG7DJy9f9XMxaJpT xr6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKNYjqRGmzy/KxbkfB7ebIv2SLI1RoxfP8Kic22yDqGMD+ellhzJCCrS2Y6H1Ls6g== X-Received: by 10.28.158.87 with SMTP id h84mr2168546wme.43.1468052844511; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([46.120.57.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d192sm6958wmd.14.2016.07.09.01.27.23 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 11:27:21 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: jerome@mediaarea.net, 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:27:28 -0000 > On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:19 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: >=20 > Because the EU law is clear: >=20 > YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU = DON=E2=80=99T HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >=20 > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to = a person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or = alternatively an ID. This sounds mis-stated. It implies that the EU does not have street = vendors, food trucks, or for that matter any shop. I can understand that identifying the customer could be important for = that customer to later be able to reclaim or deduct VAT, but anonymous = transactions are happening all over the EU all the time. 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SRVR:VI1PR03MB1325; H:VI1PR03MB1326.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: pfsw.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: pfsw.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Jul 2016 08:27:52.8830 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 60e41978-645c-418d-a3b0-86bbc856ebf9 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR03MB1325 Archived-At: Cc: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [96attendees] =?windows-1252?q?=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5F?= =?windows-1252?q?=5F96th=5FIETF=5FJuly=5F17-22=2C_=5F2016=2C_=5FBerlin=2C?= =?windows-1252?q?_=5FGe=3F=3D_rmany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:27:59 -0000 But that must be in regards to B2B. I can still pay for the conference and = expense it. Just like I do with hotel rooms, restaurants etc. I have never = had an accountant tell me my expense reports have problems regarding this.= =20 /Henrik Sent from my iPhone > On 09 Jul 2016, at 16:19, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >=20 > Because the EU law is clear: >=20 > YOU CAN=92T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=92T = HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >=20 > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a = person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or altern= atively an ID. >=20 > That=92s why I=92m asking if we want an IETF which doesn=92t follow EU la= ws. It may cost the IETF thousands of euros in fines. >=20 > All the companies IN EU have a VAT number. It is mandatory. What they may= not have is it validated in the EU, so they must get charged for the VAT e= ven in intra-EU operations. >=20 > Regards, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jerome Martin= ez > Responder a: > Fecha: s=E1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:07 > Para: <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - F= inal VA T Invoice n=B0 00004005 >=20 >> Le 09/07/2016 =E0 09:52, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =E9crit : >> This way is against the law. >>=20 >> IS NOT THAT YOU SHOULD REIUSSE THE INVOICE ONLY FOR THOSE THAT COMPLETE = THE FORM. >>=20 >> YOU MUST (MANDATORY) ISSUE THE INVOICES FOR ALL, INCLUDING THIS FIELD, T= HEY LIKE IT OR NOT, OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THE EU TAX LAWS. For example, each= IETF participant, must provide it in order to collect the registration ID. >=20 > Trying to understand all these VAT issues. > Having an invoice from France with VAT from Germany looks like normal, OK= . > Being invoiced with VAT instead of more classical B2B European invoices=20 > without VAT looks like not possible, OK. > But by curiosity, why must they issue again the exact same invoice if=20 > VAT number is empty e.g. for individuals (they don't have VAT number) or= =20 > for small companies (some of them don't have a VAT number)? Which line=20 > of which document makes reissuing only for entities with a VAT number=20 > illegal? > I don't see your point about the need to issue again all invoices, I=20 > understand that the issue is only for people having a VAT number, VAT is= =20 > already a big issue so maybe there is no need to add extra problems. >=20 >> [...] >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:29:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F002D12D09D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x-xb5_qrjUU8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B02112B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:29:16 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:29:14 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604118.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:29:14 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:29:14 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:29:15 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: jerome@mediaarea.net, 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:29:18 -0000 Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a =E2=80=9Cticket=E2=80=9D which is a= =E2=80=9Csimplified invoice=E2=80=9D. It is totally different. I=E2=80=99ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, which expla= in that. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Yoav Nir Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:27 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 > On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:19 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >=20 > Because the EU law is clear: >=20 > YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T = HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >=20 > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a = person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alterna= tively an ID. This sounds mis-stated. It implies that the EU does not have street vendors= , food trucks, or for that matter any shop. I can understand that identifying the customer could be important for that = customer to later be able to reclaim or deduct VAT, but anonymous transactio= ns are happening all over the EU all the time. 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:VI1PR03MB1327; H:VI1PR03MB1326.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: pfsw.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: pfsw.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Jul 2016 08:30:38.8480 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 60e41978-645c-418d-a3b0-86bbc856ebf9 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR03MB1327 Archived-At: Cc: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ynir.ietf@gmail.com" Subject: [96attendees] =?windows-1252?q?=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5F?= =?windows-1252?q?=5F96th=5FIETF=5FJuly=5F17-22=2C_=5F2016=2C_=5FBerlin=2C?= =?windows-1252?q?_=5FGe=3F=3D_rmany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:30:44 -0000 Trust me, my hotel bills are way above 100=80... So are usually my dinners = too. ;) Sent from my iPhone > On 09 Jul 2016, at 16:29, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >=20 > Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a =93ticket=94 which is= a =93simplified invoice=94. It is totally different. >=20 > I=92ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, which exp= lain that. >=20 > Saludos, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Yoav Nir > Responder a: > Fecha: s=E1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:27 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > CC: , <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - F= inal VA T Invoice n=B0 00004005 >=20 >=20 >> On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:19 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >>=20 >> Because the EU law is clear: >>=20 >> YOU CAN=92T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=92T= HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >>=20 >> In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a= person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alter= natively an ID. >=20 > This sounds mis-stated. It implies that the EU does not have street vendo= rs, food trucks, or for that matter any shop. >=20 > I can understand that identifying the customer could be important for tha= t customer to later be able to reclaim or deduct VAT, but anonymous transac= tions are happening all over the EU all the time. >=20 > Yoav >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:32:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0492D12D0B9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ol31-ZZp3Lwn for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 6.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (6.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net [188.165.39.218]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF55C12B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player739.ha.ovh.net (b9.ovh.net [213.186.33.59]) by mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF67BFF8D25 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p508BAB7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.139.171.125]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@francoallemand.eu) by player739.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C95F64A006D; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:31:53 +0200 (CEST) To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es, 96attendees@ietf.org References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <1d2f6707-fbdc-a9be-66a8-0e987d4686c6@mediaarea.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:31:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13148822062447202410 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrfeefgddtfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:31:59 -0000 Le 09/07/2016 à 10:19, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit : > Because the EU law is clear: > > YOU CAN’T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. > > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alternatively an ID. You words are too much generic. when I buy a coffee at the Starbucks, it fits in your "sell any product in EU" sentence and Starbuck knows nothing about me except my face (not an ID for the moment). I try to understand the limits, please be more explicit about the limits. > > That’s why I’m asking if we want an IETF which doesn’t follow EU laws. It may cost the IETF thousands of euros in fines. > > All the companies IN EU have a VAT number. It is mandatory. I already said it: this sentence is WRONG. Lot of small companies have no VAT number, because they are not subject to VAT (when a company is small, it may decide to be subject to VAT or not subject to VAT; if a company decides not to be subject to VAT, it can NOT have a VAT number, and is still a company). > What they may not have is it validated in the EU, so they must get charged for the VAT even in intra-EU operations. > > Regards, > Jordi Again, VAT with different countries is already difficult to understand, so please be more precise in order not to add more problems. From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:35:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421E12D12D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bEvHigblEPdb for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AFB412B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:35:24 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604124.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:35:24 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:35:24 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:35:14 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: <19F2D14A-2BD9-486E-A2D7-055CC25C1C0C@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <40962694-C32A-4CBC-B8D7-43F92FB4D070@pfsw.com> In-Reply-To: <40962694-C32A-4CBC-B8D7-43F92FB4D070@pfsw.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:35:29 -0000 You=E2=80=99ve been very lucky. A competent auditor will have rejected those expe= nses. It happened to me and they were EU auditors. If you buy a TV which value is higher than 100 Euros, in the EU, even if yo= u are a person, you must be identified. Otherwise, they don=E2=80=99t follow the l= aw. Is easy to explain: 1) When you get the invoice with the VAT ID of both parties of the transact= ion, the EU tax authorities can =E2=80=9Cexchange the data=E2=80=9D and make sure that t= he VAT for the transaction and the =E2=80=9Cprofit=E2=80=9D of the seller is =E2=80=9Caccounte= d=E2=80=9D. 2) If you don=E2=80=99t get in the invoice both VAT IDs, then they can=E2=80=99t exchan= ge the data, even a =E2=80=9Cbad=E2=80=9D seller could keep out of the records that tran= saction, keep the profit out of the =E2=80=9Ctax=E2=80=9D system, even keep the VAT as =E2= =80=9Cextra=E2=80=9D profit. When you register in the hotel, you have provided the passport or valid ID,= right ? Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Henrik Johansson Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:27 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <= 96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 But that must be in regards to B2B. I can still pay for the conference and = expense it. Just like I do with hotel rooms, restaurants etc. I have never h= ad an accountant tell me my expense reports have problems regarding this.=20 /Henrik Sent from my iPhone > On 09 Jul 2016, at 16:19, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >=20 > Because the EU law is clear: >=20 > YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T = HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >=20 > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a = person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alterna= tively an ID. >=20 > That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m asking if we want an IETF which doesn=E2=80=99t follow EU la= ws. It may cost the IETF thousands of euros in fines. >=20 > All the companies IN EU have a VAT number. It is mandatory. What they may= not have is it validated in the EU, so they must get charged for the VAT ev= en in intra-EU operations. >=20 > Regards, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jerome Martin= ez > Responder a: > Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:07 > Para: <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - F= inal VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 >=20 >> Le 09/07/2016 =C3=A0 09:52, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =C3=A9crit : >> This way is against the law. >>=20 >> IS NOT THAT YOU SHOULD REIUSSE THE INVOICE ONLY FOR THOSE THAT COMPLETE = THE FORM. >>=20 >> YOU MUST (MANDATORY) ISSUE THE INVOICES FOR ALL, INCLUDING THIS FIELD, T= HEY LIKE IT OR NOT, OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THE EU TAX LAWS. For example, each = IETF participant, must provide it in order to collect the registration ID. >=20 > Trying to understand all these VAT issues. > Having an invoice from France with VAT from Germany looks like normal, OK= . > Being invoiced with VAT instead of more classical B2B European invoices=20 > without VAT looks like not possible, OK. > But by curiosity, why must they issue again the exact same invoice if=20 > VAT number is empty e.g. for individuals (they don't have VAT number) or=20 > for small companies (some of them don't have a VAT number)? Which line=20 > of which document makes reissuing only for entities with a VAT number=20 > illegal? > I don't see your point about the need to issue again all invoices, I=20 > understand that the issue is only for people having a VAT number, VAT is=20 > already a big issue so maybe there is no need to add extra problems. >=20 >> [...] >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:37:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7505F12D155 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RB1Eyz_mIyu4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A587512B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:37:30 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604127.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:37:29 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:37:29 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:37:30 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <23015E36-6472-4B35-AF77-19154BCA4DF2@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <1d2f6707-fbdc-a9be-66a8-0e987d4686c6@mediaarea.net> In-Reply-To: <1d2f6707-fbdc-a9be-66a8-0e987d4686c6@mediaarea.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:37:33 -0000 I=E2=80=99m assuming that you readed my previous emails. I explained a few days a= go that transaction below 100 Euros are =E2=80=9Csimplified invoices=E2=80=9D. EVERY Company in the EU has something equivalent to the VAT number, it may = be called in a different way, but it is the same. For example SMEs which are= a =E2=80=9Csingle=E2=80=9D person, the VAT number is the =E2=80=9Cowner=E2=80=9D ID. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Jerome Martinez Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:31 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , <96attendees@ietf.= org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Le 09/07/2016 =C3=A0 10:19, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =C3=A9crit : > Because the EU law is clear: > > YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T = HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. > > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a = person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alterna= tively an ID. You words are too much generic. when I buy a coffee at the Starbucks, it=20 fits in your "sell any product in EU" sentence and Starbuck knows=20 nothing about me except my face (not an ID for the moment). I try to understand the limits, please be more explicit about the limits. > > That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m asking if we want an IETF which doesn=E2=80=99t follow EU la= ws. It may cost the IETF thousands of euros in fines. > > All the companies IN EU have a VAT number. It is mandatory. I already said it: this sentence is WRONG. Lot of small companies have=20 no VAT number, because they are not subject to VAT (when a company is=20 small, it may decide to be subject to VAT or not subject to VAT; if a=20 company decides not to be subject to VAT, it can NOT have a VAT number,=20 and is still a company). > What they may not have is it validated in the EU, so they must get char= ged for the VAT even in intra-EU operations. > > Regards, > Jordi Again, VAT with different countries is already difficult to understand,=20 so please be more precise in order not to add more problems. From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:38:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8293212D1B7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:38:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.427 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.427 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=greenbytes.de header.b=hCoQbKpn; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=greenbytes.de header.b=hCoQbKpn Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Mdnh5DcFjWe for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (mail.greenbytes.de [5.10.171.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41A3C12B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.greenbytes.de (Postfix, from userid 117) id B159715A3711; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:38:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=greenbytes.de; s=mail; t=1468053529; bh=dZSqZQfLKdizUgfCgFK3VfRKjyyEzUwCiV/GvLfuF6E=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=hCoQbKpn8GRl4tMIgV5gA6IenwB7Sfog8iPN+6+ZFxZAHWgJH5Qk9juZVCdOmLm24 H/xKBtK8aEQMI0e6txGGhaQQ+q7hvmYycIWlwQb+E/Mz/ivcrbdI5LhMES1s5v3PJH 6+jLwEo0a38ccqkygYW1hYHaqPj/+bOZtzTMrAp8= Received: from [192.168.178.20] (unknown [93.217.123.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.greenbytes.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C83D615A370D; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:38:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=greenbytes.de; s=mail; t=1468053529; bh=dZSqZQfLKdizUgfCgFK3VfRKjyyEzUwCiV/GvLfuF6E=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=hCoQbKpn8GRl4tMIgV5gA6IenwB7Sfog8iPN+6+ZFxZAHWgJH5Qk9juZVCdOmLm24 H/xKBtK8aEQMI0e6txGGhaQQ+q7hvmYycIWlwQb+E/Mz/ivcrbdI5LhMES1s5v3PJH 6+jLwEo0a38ccqkygYW1hYHaqPj/+bOZtzTMrAp8= To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es, Henrik.Johansson@pfsw.com References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <40962694-C32A-4CBC-B8D7-43F92FB4D070@pfsw.com> <19F2D14A-2BD9-486E-A2D7-055CC25C1C0C@consulintel.es> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:38:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19F2D14A-2BD9-486E-A2D7-055CC25C1C0C@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:38:53 -0000 On 2016-07-09 10:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > You’ve been very lucky. A competent auditor will have rejected those expenses. It happened to me and they were EU auditors. > > If you buy a TV which value is higher than 100 Euros, in the EU, even if you are a person, you must be identified. Otherwise, they don’t follow the law. In which case, almost nobody follows the law over here. People walk into Electronics stores every day and buy TVs, pay by cache, and do not identify themselves. There must be a misunderstanding here. > ... Best regards, Julian From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:41:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A33012D1D8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hg6HwGv2gED8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 7.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (7.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.43.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61E5012B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player739.ha.ovh.net (b9.ovh.net [213.186.33.59]) by mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AC1FF91EA for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:41:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p508BAB7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.139.171.125]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@francoallemand.eu) by player739.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF2054A0071; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:41:49 +0200 (CEST) To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:41:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13316862625252905066 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrfeefgddthecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:41:55 -0000 Le 09/07/2016 à 10:29, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit : > Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a “ticket” which is a “simplified invoice”. It is totally different. Last time, I had to buy a computer in a different country (in a big store, I guess they have accountants). It was more than 100 €. I paid with my business credit card (so a company bought it). Nobody requested my VAT number before selling me the computer. I was just invoiced the VAT. Maybe I am identified by my credit card. But I am aware of people paying by cash (no ID at all, and it is above 100€). More than 100€. No ID. So please don't make things more complex than they are, they are already complex enough. > > I’ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, which explain that. > > Saludos, > Jordi > From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:45:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB0A12D15E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ShAq4sWARQrv for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA31C12B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:45:00 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604134.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:44:59 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:44:59 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:44:55 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , Message-ID: <258C7C77-EC78-4EAE-B3C4-6A4A3ECDC186@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <40962694-C32A-4CBC-B8D7-43F92FB4D070@pfsw.com> <19F2D14A-2BD9-486E-A2D7-055CC25C1C0C@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:45:04 -0000 In some countries there may be some exceptions to the general rule, but is = very rare. You may want to read the VAT directive: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=3DCELEX:32006L0112 or a =E2=80=9Csimplified summary=E2=80=9D: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxatio= n/vat/topics/invoicing_en.htm What if matters here is that for IETF is mandatory, we like it or not. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Julian Reschke = Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:38 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , CC: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <= 96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 On 2016-07-09 10:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > You=E2=80=99ve been very lucky. A competent auditor will have rejected those ex= penses. It happened to me and they were EU auditors. > > If you buy a TV which value is higher than 100 Euros, in the EU, even if = you are a person, you must be identified. Otherwise, they don=E2=80=99t follow the= law. In which case, almost nobody follows the law over here. People walk into Electronics stores every day and buy TVs, pay by cache,=20 and do not identify themselves. There must be a misunderstanding here. > ... Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:46:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7F012D50E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:46:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p_dyIiWqMe8J for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4787012B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:46:54 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604136.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:46:54 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:46:54 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:46:50 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> In-Reply-To: <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:46:58 -0000 Ok, are you sure that store has paid the taxes for the computer they sold y= ou? Probably that=E2=80=99s the reason they don=E2=80=99t made the invoice =E2=80=A6 Do we want everybody to pay for taxes specially when we paid those taxes? It is clear that many people don=E2=80=99t do the things correctly (for example i= ssuing invoices), but is that correct for the IETF? Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Jerome Martinez Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:41 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Le 09/07/2016 =C3=A0 10:29, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =C3=A9crit : > Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a =E2=80=9Cticket=E2=80=9D which is= a =E2=80=9Csimplified invoice=E2=80=9D. It is totally different. Last time, I had to buy a computer in a different country (in a big=20 store, I guess they have accountants). It was more than 100 =E2=82=AC. I paid with my business credit card (so a company bought it). Nobody requested my VAT number before selling me the computer. I was just invoiced the VAT. Maybe I am identified by my credit card. But I am aware of people paying=20 by cash (no ID at all, and it is above 100=E2=82=AC). More than 100=E2=82=AC. No ID. So please don't make things more complex than they are, they are already=20 complex enough. > > I=E2=80=99ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, which exp= lain that. > > Saludos, > Jordi > From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:48:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEDE12D520 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=moghaddas-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yYsheNN1An1V for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x235.google.com (mail-wm0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DDA912B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x235.google.com with SMTP id n127so36356752wme.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=moghaddas-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=4pbbiKcB8pORZWZY2QrGpfs9O8NM6ux7ZlI/J8Fq2OU=; b=PIyGhkUMNUjSre2rZxw090ze0WuqYwInze93LX6SN0gyLpK1RqBgwSvNHesJrltvJE S67vh2zG7dzrQehpmdQI5rN0bdihtzhb8lFlXUgxdhnMI2auxRKD8Nni9GgNOlMJS0/b thR1Zult9s7sXsrXrDaLzYxxWL9UIXbt9nP3ULpxjqNPQr1Hr8qWh0bRhHpDeOyPi65v KmabH4vLRFpMGFRt2qWGoOo6Z+yVUsvS78A6mZ5laYBgNzl803VlM192ZK/06nwN9uSV sCE5mtyafmeHMrDkA6ZjH/X9k0P+GlCwpMDQjTrCnsYja/4dsqOE0oSZ/bd4A6tjAeAU gUPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=4pbbiKcB8pORZWZY2QrGpfs9O8NM6ux7ZlI/J8Fq2OU=; b=Mk4j999Y/NJU8XA2LRerr/xLFleBOQaZVomyfNvvJA9iqQKgxiSGUrl60ajeTkWMRE BQLuhFrc+r5iXlNG/ZTL1mfz+/EzHm/luOCPnYHzmIE2+ZaqWcBpm7cAntRbHWi22QHW 23rPCSObI2uG8hjJ6htElJ3LuLfCTh92u4OilX6whWryyZP0Dlcw3hUH0A0Pfhmfpl1P xA/CtF2AEyOq5vDSqQRoEY/x2r41bC0cwibGAysbWJHizsWwwYRnrwZVWIew2r9vRyNU MxxTbx3+hX+BijLT+0CArrptzN4Fm8D6bJF8LPJGVvXe+yKpuzjXs1+y/X3BbqG/zHn7 jiWA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLLDrDTJO07RW3ki75e15WaF6XgvPirAG0aXauMcZNmkjh9YyxgnfKimOo0pkHD4woF9U/UQrcMVCQB4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.152.211 with SMTP id a202mr6942999wme.60.1468054087861; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.165.205 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.165.205 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:48:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:48:07 +0200 Message-ID: From: Mohammad Moghaddas To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b3e3e6b192a05372ffa8a Archived-At: Cc: jerome@mediaarea.net, 96attendees@ietf.org, ynir.ietf@gmail.com Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:48:12 -0000 --001a114b3e3e6b192a05372ffa8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as I know based on my experience as a registered freelancer in Germany, invoicing inside EU has two possibilities : 1. B2B: both parties have VAT ID mentioned on the invoice; EU VAT reverse charge law applies and no VAT is charged on the invoice. 2. B2C: The seller will have its VAT ID stated on the invoice, and the customer has to pay the VAT on the invoice. I, as a registered freelancer in Germany, have a valid VAT ID. It happens that for some of my business expenses, there is no option to provide my VAT ID. Hence, I will claim it and get it refunded. But, to be able to get the refund, the seller's info and VAT ID must be stated on the invoice. I haven't yet received my VAT invoice from IETF, but I see that on the payment confirmation VMC's VAT IDs are stated; so I assume that they will issue a correct B2C invoice at least. That being said, as I have been already charged the VAT, I have two options= : Either IETF issues me a VAT invoice with my VAT ID stated and refunding the VAT I've paid; or I will need a B2C VAT invoice without my VAT ID, so I can get a VAT refund. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers. /Mohammad On Jul 9, 2016 10:29, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" wrote: > Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a =E2=80=9Cticket=E2=80= =9D which is a > =E2=80=9Csimplified invoice=E2=80=9D. It is totally different. > > I=E2=80=99ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, whi= ch > explain that. > > Saludos, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Yoav Nir > Responder a: > Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:27 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > CC: , <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - > Final VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 > > > > On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:19 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < > jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote: > > > > Because the EU law is clear: > > > > YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU = DON=E2=80=99T > HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. > > > > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to = a > person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or > alternatively an ID. > > This sounds mis-stated. It implies that the EU does not have street > vendors, food trucks, or for that matter any shop. > > I can understand that identifying the customer could be important for tha= t > customer to later be able to reclaim or deduct VAT, but anonymous > transactions are happening all over the EU all the time. > > Yoav > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114b3e3e6b192a05372ffa8a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As far as I know based on my experience as a registered free= lancer in Germany, invoicing inside EU has two possibilities :
1. B2B: both parties have VAT ID mentioned on the invoice; EU VAT reverse c= harge law applies and no VAT is charged on the invoice.
2. B2C: The seller will have its VAT ID stated on the invoice, and the cust= omer has to pay the VAT on the invoice.

I, as a registered freelancer in Germany, have a valid VAT I= D. It happens that for some of my business expenses, there is no option to = provide my VAT ID.
Hence, I will claim it and get it refunded. But, to be able to get the refu= nd, the seller's info and VAT ID must be stated on the invoice.

I haven't yet received my VAT invoice from IETF, but I s= ee that on the payment confirmation VMC's VAT IDs are stated; so I assu= me that they will issue a correct B2C invoice at least.

That being said, as I have been already charged the VAT, I h= ave two options:
Either IETF issues me a VAT invoice with my VAT ID stated and refunding the= VAT I've paid; or I will need a B2C VAT invoice without my VAT ID, so = I can get a VAT refund.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Cheers.

/Mohammad

On Jul 9, 2016 10:29, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ= " <jordi.palet@consul= intel.es> wrote:
Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a =E2=80=9Cticket=E2= =80=9D which is a =E2=80=9Csimplified invoice=E2=80=9D. It is totally diffe= rent.

I=E2=80=99ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, which= explain that.

Saludos,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com= >
Responder a: <ynir.ietf@gmail.com= >
Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:27
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
CC: <jerome@mediaarea.net>= ;, <96attendees@ietf.org>=
Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005


> On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:19 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
>
> Because the EU law is clear:
>
> YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU= DON=E2=80=99T HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID.
>
> In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to= a person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alt= ernatively an ID.

This sounds mis-stated. It implies that the EU does not have street vendors= , food trucks, or for that matter any shop.

I can understand that identifying the customer could be important for that = customer to later be able to reclaim or deduct VAT, but anonymous transacti= ons are happening all over the EU all the time.

Yoav






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--001a114b3e3e6b192a05372ffa8a-- From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:53:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424B112D54B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZAiNk6YkqJoB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 5.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (5.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.120.239]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47B6412D511 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player739.ha.ovh.net (b9.ovh.net [213.186.33.59]) by mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348F8FFA262 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:53:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p508BAB7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.139.171.125]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@francoallemand.eu) by player739.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FA6E4A0070; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:53:24 +0200 (CEST) To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <4ac8a776-6195-38ab-efd5-faefa5d0107b@mediaarea.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:53:09 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13512206260446105706 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrfeefgddtkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:53:29 -0000 Le 09/07/2016 à 10:46, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit : > Ok, are you sure that store has paid the taxes for the computer they sold you? MediaMarkt, the biggest electronic store in Germany, not paying taxes, is it a joke? > > Probably that’s the reason they don’t made the invoice … I have an invoice, as millions of people with this store. Just without my VAT number. > > Do we want everybody to pay for taxes specially when we paid those taxes? > > It is clear that many people don’t do the things correctly (for example issuing invoices), but is that correct for the IETF? Stop. Here you don't explain any issue, just add problems. If there is a real issue with IETF, it will be hidden by "false issues". Right now, as I have a VAT number, I fill the form in order to have more chances to be reimbursed of the VAT and I guess that people without VAT number don't care of getting a new invoice. > > Saludos, > Jordi > > From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:56:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D305412D576 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MpZNjexQbAm0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1CA812D511 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:04 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604144.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:04 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:04 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:03 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: <53541425-57B7-41C8-B9FE-7659E7248321@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> <4ac8a776-6195-38ab-efd5-faefa5d0107b@mediaarea.net> In-Reply-To: <4ac8a776-6195-38ab-efd5-faefa5d0107b@mediaarea.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:56:10 -0000 You believe whatever you want. Let=E2=80=99s try something. Let=E2=80=99s try to informe the authorities that IETF is = not sending invoices with the VAT number. You want to bet for it? Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jerome Martinez= Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:53 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Le 09/07/2016 =C3=A0 10:46, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a =C3=A9crit : > Ok, are you sure that store has paid the taxes for the computer they sold= you? MediaMarkt, the biggest electronic store in Germany, not paying taxes,=20 is it a joke? > > Probably that=E2=80=99s the reason they don=E2=80=99t made the invoice =E2=80=A6 I have an invoice, as millions of people with this store. Just without=20 my VAT number. > > Do we want everybody to pay for taxes specially when we paid those taxes? > > It is clear that many people don=E2=80=99t do the things correctly (for example= issuing invoices), but is that correct for the IETF? Stop. Here you don't explain any issue, just add problems. If there is a real issue with IETF, it will be hidden by "false issues". Right now, as I have a VAT number, I fill the form in order to have more=20 chances to be reimbursed of the VAT and I guess that people without VAT=20 number don't care of getting a new invoice. > > Saludos, > Jordi > > _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 01:56:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAB912D511 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:56:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9CFgnQgqNd6f for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0731812D54D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 01:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:04 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604143.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:04 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:04 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:56:01 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: jerome@mediaarea.net, 96attendees@ietf.org, ynir.ietf@gmail.com Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:56:11 -0000 As a general rule, within EU countries, this is wrong. Is mandatory to have= the VAT number of both sides unless the invoice value is below 100 Euros (w= hich is called simplified invoice). Read the summary: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/topics/= invoicing_en.htm You need to fill in your VAT number as Alexa indicated: https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf96/editvatid.py Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Mohammad Moghad= das Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:48 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: , <96attendees@ietf.org>, Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 As far as I know based on my experience as a registered freelancer in Germa= ny, invoicing inside EU has two possibilities : 1. B2B: both parties have VAT ID mentioned on the invoice; EU VAT reverse c= harge law applies and no VAT is charged on the invoice.=20 2. B2C: The seller will have its VAT ID stated on the invoice, and the cust= omer has to pay the VAT on the invoice. I, as a registered freelancer in Germany, have a valid VAT ID. It happens t= hat for some of my business expenses, there is no option to provide my VAT I= D.=20 Hence, I will claim it and get it refunded. But, to be able to get the refu= nd, the seller's info and VAT ID must be stated on the invoice.=20 I haven't yet received my VAT invoice from IETF, but I see that on the paym= ent confirmation VMC's VAT IDs are stated; so I assume that they will issue = a correct B2C invoice at least.=20 That being said, as I have been already charged the VAT, I have two options= : Either IETF issues me a VAT invoice with my VAT ID stated and refunding the= VAT I've paid; or I will need a B2C VAT invoice without my VAT ID, so I can= get a VAT refund.=20 Please correct me if I'm wrong.=20 Cheers.=20 /Mohammad On Jul 9, 2016 10:29, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" w= rote: Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a =E2=80=9Cticket=E2=80=9D which is a= =E2=80=9Csimplified invoice=E2=80=9D. It is totally different. I=E2=80=99ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, which expla= in that. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Yoav Nir Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:27 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 > On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:19 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > Because the EU law is clear: > > YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T = HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. > > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a = person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alterna= tively an ID. This sounds mis-stated. It implies that the EU does not have street vendors= , food trucks, or for that matter any shop. I can understand that identifying the customer could be important for that = customer to later be able to reclaim or deduct VAT, but anonymous transactio= ns are happening all over the EU all the time. 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Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <076f9997-46b9-6a8a-4cae-9051de01d525@mediaarea.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 11:02:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13668987821676630122 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrfeefgddutdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:02:46 -0000 Le 09/07/2016 10:48, Mohammad Moghaddas a crit : > > As far as I know based on my experience as a registered freelancer in > Germany, invoicing inside EU has two possibilities : > 1. B2B: both parties have VAT ID mentioned on the invoice; EU VAT > reverse charge law applies and no VAT is charged on the invoice. > 2. B2C: The seller will have its VAT ID stated on the invoice, and the > customer has to pay the VAT on the invoice. > For the records: no B2B/B2C difference, it depends on if you are subject to VAT or not. Don't rely of B2B vs B2C. > I, as a registered freelancer in Germany, have a valid VAT ID. > If you invoice less than 17500 ("Kleinunternehmer"), this is not automatic. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ustg_1980/__19.html You can be a freelancer in Germany without having a VAT ID. > [...] From nobody Sat Jul 9 02:03:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF4112D5AE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:03:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Xe5XIF6ER1v for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D476A12D5A4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:03:01 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 11:03:00 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604154.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 11:02:59 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 11:02:59 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 11:02:58 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , "mohammad@moghaddas.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <7AA60DF9-DF56-4D7E-9633-988F03082AD8@pfsw.com> In-Reply-To: <7AA60DF9-DF56-4D7E-9633-988F03082AD8@pfsw.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ynir.ietf@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:03:05 -0000 Look here, is easier: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/trade= rs/invoicing_rules/explanatory_notes_en.pdf find 100 This will apply in the case of simplified invoices allowed under Article 22= 0a for amounts lower than EUR 100 or for credit notes, under Article 238 after Member Stat= es have consulted the VAT Committee and under Articles 221(1) and (2) for B2C suppl= ies or exempt insurance and financial supplies. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Henrik Johansson Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:59 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , "mohammad@moghadda= s.com" CC: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <= 96attendees@ietf.org>, "ynir.ietf@gmail.com" Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Please show me, in the links you=E2=80=99ve sent, where it mentions the 100 =E2=82=AC. = I=E2=80=99ve gone through both the full directive and the summary and I don=E2=80=99t se= e it actually. Which makes sense, since it would be a completly stupid rule. /Henrik On 09/07/16 16:56, "96attendees on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <96atten= dees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote: As a general rule, within EU countries, this is wrong. Is mandatory to have= the VAT number of both sides unless the invoice value is below 100 Euros (w= hich is called simplified invoice). Read the summary: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/topics/= invoicing_en.htm You need to fill in your VAT number as Alexa indicated: https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf96/editvatid.py Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Mohammad Moghad= das Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:48 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: , <96attendees@ietf.org>, Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 As far as I know based on my experience as a registered freelancer in Germa= ny, invoicing inside EU has two possibilities : 1. B2B: both parties have VAT ID mentioned on the invoice; EU VAT reverse c= harge law applies and no VAT is charged on the invoice.=20 2. B2C: The seller will have its VAT ID stated on the invoice, and the cust= omer has to pay the VAT on the invoice. I, as a registered freelancer in Germany, have a valid VAT ID. It happens t= hat for some of my business expenses, there is no option to provide my VAT I= D.=20 Hence, I will claim it and get it refunded. But, to be able to get the refu= nd, the seller's info and VAT ID must be stated on the invoice.=20 I haven't yet received my VAT invoice from IETF, but I see that on the paym= ent confirmation VMC's VAT IDs are stated; so I assume that they will issue = a correct B2C invoice at least.=20 That being said, as I have been already charged the VAT, I have two options= : Either IETF issues me a VAT invoice with my VAT ID stated and refunding the= VAT I've paid; or I will need a B2C VAT invoice without my VAT ID, so I can= get a VAT refund.=20 Please correct me if I'm wrong.=20 Cheers.=20 /Mohammad On Jul 9, 2016 10:29, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" w= rote: Then you have a value below 100 Euros and provide a =E2=80=9Cticket=E2=80=9D which is a= =E2=80=9Csimplified invoice=E2=80=9D. It is totally different. I=E2=80=99ve provided the links to the EU sites a couple of days ago, which expla= in that. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Yoav Nir Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 10:27 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 > On 9 Jul 2016, at 11:19 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > Because the EU law is clear: > > YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T = HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. > > In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a = person or Company which is not identified with a valid VAT number or alterna= tively an ID. This sounds mis-stated. It implies that the EU does not have street vendors= , food trucks, or for that matter any shop. I can understand that identifying the customer could be important for that = customer to later be able to reclaim or deduct VAT, but anonymous transactio= ns are happening all over the EU all the time. Yoav _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 02:17:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2503E12D0C8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=moghaddas-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VobK4vu-j_fq for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B39BB126579 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id f126so37879608wma.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 02:17:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=moghaddas-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=lIdYCk+EuRlrq3jpgBk27duCn2E0PwAvK8/XyibIOo4=; b=V1Pvnu64QpfirTmHBBW/JQFBx8MOn5L17L5Kg1bJIipo2QKI24NX67ictsLP6spp8p Eo6xh2he6AGBRbdDU1mZnkemyxNa8xaMNEn8L+kmaFyEJ1Qf4Hv9tdMFcpOqQ92JSvRh MmjMDqDliQCfKuhUAEycGqdsN+ouB6OM+zZctoWNm8EoNTsXJrQUXILhN40MrkRXvcdA W2BFUxknvSpx3VsmxWPbIaEp9U6FGISu8VmawNhgOkl+G70gq+C/qjvHFLrSPANPaump gEtJwukcyM9cSVBgmmU/BT4LpsVI4dVmPzVPnMjnRE5oxA0w2WKlMf1KAqEupSqTQvXs zraA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=lIdYCk+EuRlrq3jpgBk27duCn2E0PwAvK8/XyibIOo4=; b=ICevXIw8R0c+qANa1LWSEUdCs2Rlmzi0ehiVSTXhdoFNZOOCBZ6rLstnH3Yf1AXkir j8BdaI+yrNLHxExw2fJeIJQf2C0l2IiJ9+kH/Zz5N2SPEtYWLiKQ87Hd9zxPmMgNJ+v/ Q7pDUpNi/thbVjkoDi5hz3S7CsKXMlE01/3fnk7CiuqLtmCC0Ayl/cvqWNSW5x0bhzXP QRsyb6+xzsGVKeE4+xfgP6NVKjxnp06aDjQ4d6s+G7wsXbMPt9jjkhpV17SD773jiaOc 6WsMEwzDcp3zIAh01VgTYDsBLprfRbQit/P9VekbTc9uceY2nIgQZmRbuOaR7YklwoKn Tsdg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLsLavg3Y+JsmA5+ZLg3ZnZ7VfBs4SvQjZArlm2PQyPJaBe/9n2Lo5spwVZ/sMxlcGxzlLRp2F3N6HorA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.109.42 with SMTP id hp10mr9024256wjb.110.1468055860126; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 02:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.165.205 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:17:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <076f9997-46b9-6a8a-4cae-9051de01d525@mediaarea.net> References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <076f9997-46b9-6a8a-4cae-9051de01d525@mediaarea.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 11:17:39 +0200 Message-ID: From: Mohammad Moghaddas To: Jerome Martinez Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0102d8000dcd5b05373064f8 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:17:44 -0000 --089e0102d8000dcd5b05373064f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're right; I just used the terms to simplify the image. I meant that not everyone has to be VAT registered; and if someone is VAT registered and is being charged VAT, it's easily refundable by having the correct invoice which clearly states the seller information (name, company name, address) and VAT ID. In my case, I had to have a VAT ID as I don't count as a kleinunternehmer. /Mohammad On Saturday, 9 July 2016, Jerome Martinez wrote: > Le 09/07/2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Mohammad Moghaddas a =C3=A9crit : > >> >> As far as I know based on my experience as a registered freelancer in >> Germany, invoicing inside EU has two possibilities : >> 1. B2B: both parties have VAT ID mentioned on the invoice; EU VAT revers= e >> charge law applies and no VAT is charged on the invoice. >> 2. B2C: The seller will have its VAT ID stated on the invoice, and the >> customer has to pay the VAT on the invoice. >> >> > For the records: no B2B/B2C difference, it depends on if you are subject > to VAT or not. > Don't rely of B2B vs B2C. > > I, as a registered freelancer in Germany, have a valid VAT ID. >> >> > If you invoice less than 17500=E2=82=AC ("Kleinunternehmer"), this is not > automatic. > https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ustg_1980/__19.html > > You can be a freelancer in Germany without having a VAT ID. > > [...] >> > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --=20 Sent from Gmail for iPad --089e0102d8000dcd5b05373064f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're right; I just used the terms to simplify the image.
I=C2=A0m= eant that not everyone has to be VAT registered; and=C2=A0if someone is VAT= registered and is being=C2=A0charged VAT, it's easily refundable by ha= ving the correct invoice which=C2=A0clearly states the seller information (= name, company name, address)=C2=A0and VAT ID.
In my case, I had t= o have a VAT ID as I don't count as a kleinunternehmer.

<= /div>
/Mohammad

On Saturday, 9 July 2016, Jerome Martinez <jerome@mediaarea.net> wrote:
Le 09/07/2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Mohammad Mogha= ddas a =C3=A9crit :

As far as I know based on my experience as a registered freelancer in Germa= ny, invoicing inside EU has two possibilities :
1. B2B: both parties have VAT ID mentioned on the invoice; EU VAT reverse c= harge law applies and no VAT is charged on the invoice.
2. B2C: The seller will have its VAT ID stated on the invoice, and the cust= omer has to pay the VAT on the invoice.


For the records: no B2B/B2C difference, it depends on if you are subject to= VAT or not.
Don't rely of B2B vs B2C.

I, as a registered freelancer in Germany, have a valid VAT ID.


If you invoice less than 17500=E2=82=AC ("Kleinunternehmer"), thi= s is not automatic.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ustg_1980/__19.html

You can be a freelancer in Germany without having a VAT ID.

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It implies that the EU does not have street vendors, food trucks, or for that matter any shop. > There is an turnover threshold at which VAT applies. The IETF is way above that threshold. Stewart From nobody Sat Jul 9 02:46:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAD312D1BD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:46:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.327 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.327 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFQLgALeRplu for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [149.20.64.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 877CE12D131 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 02:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4167B3493DE for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16D3A160046 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E173316006F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Pwusu7IWkvWL for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rays-mbp-3.local (unknown [46.227.151.81]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79E24160046 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:45:40 +0000 (UTC) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> <4ac8a776-6195-38ab-efd5-faefa5d0107b@mediaarea.net> <53541425-57B7-41C8-B9FE-7659E7248321@consulintel.es> From: Ray Bellis Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:45:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <53541425-57B7-41C8-B9FE-7659E7248321@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:46:43 -0000 On 09/07/2016 09:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > You believe whatever you want. >=20 > Let=E2=80=99s try something. Let=E2=80=99s try to informe the authoriti= es that IETF is not sending invoices with the VAT number. You want to bet= for it? Jordi, IMHO you're making a complete mountain out of a mole-hill here. In the link you provided, under "Full VAT invoices" and the "Information required in all cases" it says: - Customer=E2=80=99s VAT identification number (if the customer is liable= for the tax on the transaction) Note the comment in parentheses - it's important. The VAT number is only required if the customer is responsible for paying the *supply side* part of the VAT, instead of the supplier paying = it. Albeit not for the last year or so, but I've been transacting B2B in the UK and EU for years, and the only time I've *ever* had to supply my employer's VAT number on a purchase was when I was making a purchase (for goods) to another EU country, at which point no VAT would be paid to the supplier. [That doesn't apply here, because the invoice is for in-country supply of services]. Likewise when claiming expenses (hotels, etc) it's expected to request a VAT invoice [since otherwise the auditors will possibly reject a claim for a refund of the VAT] but I have *never* been asked to provider either my own (non-existent) VAT number nor that of the company that will ultimately foot the bill. Ray From nobody Sat Jul 9 03:21:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DBC12D155 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:21:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iLRllq9tYDV6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84C3812D137 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:21:36 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:21:30 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604177.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:21:29 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:21:29 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:21:29 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> <4ac8a776-6195-38ab-efd5-faefa5d0107b@mediaarea.net> <53541425-57B7-41C8-B9FE-7659E7248321@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:21:42 -0000 Hi Ray, I think you=E2=80=99re wrong, or may be in UK the situation is different. I=E2=80=99ve been doing business across EU countries since 1999 (both being a sel= ler and a customer, both, B2B and B2C). Always is required to have BOTH VAT = numbers. When one of the parties (typically the customer) doesn=E2=80=99t have a VAT numbe= r, then the ID is used, because across the EU, the ID (national ID, driving = license, passport, others, which depend on the nationality) is the same as t= he VAT number for individuals. When you don=E2=80=99t have the VAT number of one of the parties, then you can=E2=80=99= t declare that transaction in the quarterly tax report (in Spain is quarterl= y, and then a yearly summary, in other countries may be different period), a= nd you are FORCED to contact the customer (or seller) and ask for this data.= Don't having it means you are FINED. Believe me, I=E2=80=99ve been in that situat= ion once, because a customer didn=E2=80=99t provide a correct VAT number and then = didn=E2=80=99t responded to my request to provide the valid one. It is true that in different countries, there may be a =E2=80=9Ctotal amount per = year=E2=80=9D between two parties, to be included or not in the yearly report, but= he IETF doesn=E2=80=99t know in advance which is the rule for each country and IF= an EU national will come to 1, 2, or 3 IETFs in the same year, so we don=E2=80=99= t know if this is required or not each case. That said: What we prefer (as IETF community), to risk for a fine, or to ha= ve it correctly done for now and forever? I think the answer is simple. Now, to the point =E2=80=9Cif the customer is liable for the tax on the transacti= on=E2=80=9D, the customer is ALWAYS liable for the tax. I=E2=80=99m not sure if the text= here is 100% =E2=80=9Ccorrect in English=E2=80=9D, but if the seller is not paying for = the VAT, then the customer can be requested to pay if by the tax authorities= . I=E2=80=99ve seen several cases for this. The point here is REAL experience. EU auditors, in EC funded projects, have= rejected IETF receipts (even for meetings hold outside the EU), because the= y don=E2=80=99t include 1) =E2=80=9Cinvoice=E2=80=9D word, 2) VAT number for both parties (or = equivalent tax number in the origin country of each party). This happened no= t just to me, but many other colleagues participating in EU projects. It happened to me the same, for the same reasons, with auditor for projects= funded by the Spanish Ministry of Science. I=E2=80=99ve been forced also several times to ask hotels, airlines, etc., to pro= vide a valid invoice. In both cases, both, our accounting agent (it is an external company, becau= se we are very small and don=E2=80=99t have in-house accounting), and the auditors= , agreed that the law is clear an all EU countries need a COMPLETE invoice w= ith all that data for operations above 100 Euros (a few years ago, I believe= around 2003 changed, I think it was 200 Euros). I see only one possible case which may be different (which may apply in som= e countries). You, employee =E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D, work for a company =E2=80=9CB=E2=80=9D. Instead of = asking the IETF, hotel, etc., invoices, you use a =E2=80=9Creceipt=E2=80=9D, and then yo= u fill a =E2=80=9Ctrip expenses report=E2=80=9D, A get paid for the expenses by B. Then = B doesn=E2=80=99t claim back for the VAT, just use the expenses report as a valid = accounting document. This DIDN=E2=80=99T work for me in Spain, I tried several tim= es, the rule of the 100 Euros was applied by the auditors. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Ray Bellis Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 11:45 Para: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 On 09/07/2016 09:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > You believe whatever you want. >=20 > Let=E2=80=99s try something. Let=E2=80=99s try to informe the authorities that IETF i= s not sending invoices with the VAT number. You want to bet for it? Jordi, IMHO you're making a complete mountain out of a mole-hill here. In the link you provided, under "Full VAT invoices" and the "Information required in all cases" it says: - Customer=E2=80=99s VAT identification number (if the customer is liable for the tax on the transaction) Note the comment in parentheses - it's important. The VAT number is only required if the customer is responsible for paying the *supply side* part of the VAT, instead of the supplier paying it= . Albeit not for the last year or so, but I've been transacting B2B in the UK and EU for years, and the only time I've *ever* had to supply my employer's VAT number on a purchase was when I was making a purchase (for goods) to another EU country, at which point no VAT would be paid to the supplier. [That doesn't apply here, because the invoice is for in-country supply of services]. Likewise when claiming expenses (hotels, etc) it's expected to request a VAT invoice [since otherwise the auditors will possibly reject a claim for a refund of the VAT] but I have *never* been asked to provider either my own (non-existent) VAT number nor that of the company that will ultimately foot the bill. Ray _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 03:31:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27612D0E0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wDAdxobcXghX for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E106912D0CD for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:31:26 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:31:25 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604179.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:31:24 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:31:24 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:31:23 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> <4ac8a776-6195-38ab-efd5-faefa5d0107b@mediaarea.net> <53541425-57B7-41C8-B9FE-7659E7248321@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:31:30 -0000 Just to clarify something: Having many companies NOT asking the VAT which they must do, don=E2=80=99t means = they are correct or they follow the law. We have many many many many examples in the life, of things that we do ever= y day incorrectly, because we just don=E2=80=99t know, right? And one day, we disc= over that we need to pay a fine, because we did many times something wrong. = It happens, then you learn the lesson. Moreover, many times there are laws, or law changes and we don't notice the= re, but we are doing something wrong with the new law, and we may be caught = sooner or later or never. Typically up to 5 years later you=E2=80=99re responsible= for tax fraud, and tax authorities don=E2=80=99t mind if you didn=E2=80=99t make it on = purpose or to make profit or not, but just because you didn't know the law. = I guess in many languages you have a sentence such as =E2=80=9Cignorance of the la= w is not an excuse to fulfil it=E2=80=9D and there are many cases like this in the= TV news (at least in Spain!). Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jordi Palet Mar= tinez Responder a: Jordi Palet Martinez Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 12:21 Para: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 Hi Ray, I think you=E2=80=99re wrong, or may be in UK the situation is different. I=E2=80=99ve been doing business across EU countries since 1999 (both being a sel= ler and a customer, both, B2B and B2C). Always is required to have BOTH VAT = numbers. When one of the parties (typically the customer) doesn=E2=80=99t have a VAT numbe= r, then the ID is used, because across the EU, the ID (national ID, driving = license, passport, others, which depend on the nationality) is the same as t= he VAT number for individuals. When you don=E2=80=99t have the VAT number of one of the parties, then you can=E2=80=99= t declare that transaction in the quarterly tax report (in Spain is quarterl= y, and then a yearly summary, in other countries may be different period), a= nd you are FORCED to contact the customer (or seller) and ask for this data.= Don't having it means you are FINED. Believe me, I=E2=80=99ve been in that situat= ion once, because a customer didn=E2=80=99t provide a correct VAT number and then = didn=E2=80=99t responded to my request to provide the valid one. It is true that in different countries, there may be a =E2=80=9Ctotal amount per = year=E2=80=9D between two parties, to be included or not in the yearly report, but= he IETF doesn=E2=80=99t know in advance which is the rule for each country and IF= an EU national will come to 1, 2, or 3 IETFs in the same year, so we don=E2=80=99= t know if this is required or not each case. That said: What we prefer (as IETF community), to risk for a fine, or to ha= ve it correctly done for now and forever? I think the answer is simple. Now, to the point =E2=80=9Cif the customer is liable for the tax on the transacti= on=E2=80=9D, the customer is ALWAYS liable for the tax. I=E2=80=99m not sure if the text= here is 100% =E2=80=9Ccorrect in English=E2=80=9D, but if the seller is not paying for = the VAT, then the customer can be requested to pay if by the tax authorities= . I=E2=80=99ve seen several cases for this. The point here is REAL experience. EU auditors, in EC funded projects, have= rejected IETF receipts (even for meetings hold outside the EU), because the= y don=E2=80=99t include 1) =E2=80=9Cinvoice=E2=80=9D word, 2) VAT number for both parties (or = equivalent tax number in the origin country of each party). This happened no= t just to me, but many other colleagues participating in EU projects. It happened to me the same, for the same reasons, with auditor for projects= funded by the Spanish Ministry of Science. I=E2=80=99ve been forced also several times to ask hotels, airlines, etc., to pro= vide a valid invoice. In both cases, both, our accounting agent (it is an external company, becau= se we are very small and don=E2=80=99t have in-house accounting), and the auditors= , agreed that the law is clear an all EU countries need a COMPLETE invoice w= ith all that data for operations above 100 Euros (a few years ago, I believe= around 2003 changed, I think it was 200 Euros). I see only one possible case which may be different (which may apply in som= e countries). You, employee =E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D, work for a company =E2=80=9CB=E2=80=9D. Instead of = asking the IETF, hotel, etc., invoices, you use a =E2=80=9Creceipt=E2=80=9D, and then yo= u fill a =E2=80=9Ctrip expenses report=E2=80=9D, A get paid for the expenses by B. Then = B doesn=E2=80=99t claim back for the VAT, just use the expenses report as a valid = accounting document. This DIDN=E2=80=99T work for me in Spain, I tried several tim= es, the rule of the 100 Euros was applied by the auditors. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Ray Bellis Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 11:45 Para: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 On 09/07/2016 09:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > You believe whatever you want. >=20 > Let=E2=80=99s try something. Let=E2=80=99s try to informe the authorities that IETF i= s not sending invoices with the VAT number. You want to bet for it? Jordi, IMHO you're making a complete mountain out of a mole-hill here. In the link you provided, under "Full VAT invoices" and the "Information required in all cases" it says: - Customer=E2=80=99s VAT identification number (if the customer is liable for the tax on the transaction) Note the comment in parentheses - it's important. The VAT number is only required if the customer is responsible for paying the *supply side* part of the VAT, instead of the supplier paying it= . Albeit not for the last year or so, but I've been transacting B2B in the UK and EU for years, and the only time I've *ever* had to supply my employer's VAT number on a purchase was when I was making a purchase (for goods) to another EU country, at which point no VAT would be paid to the supplier. [That doesn't apply here, because the invoice is for in-country supply of services]. Likewise when claiming expenses (hotels, etc) it's expected to request a VAT invoice [since otherwise the auditors will possibly reject a claim for a refund of the VAT] but I have *never* been asked to provider either my own (non-existent) VAT number nor that of the company that will ultimately foot the bill. Ray _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s= ) named above. 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From nobody Sat Jul 9 03:54:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EEE12D0D9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:54:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WBFe-s_TrIOf for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B210612B01A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh-2.fritz.box ([83.163.239.181]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id GauF1t0033vXPcr01auGtv; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:54:17 +0200 To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es, Henrik.Johansson@pfsw.com References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <40962694-C32A-4CBC-B8D7-43F92FB4D070@pfsw.com> <19F2D14A-2BD9-486E-A2D7-055CC25C1C0C@consulintel.es> From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: <70775465-5334-154f-d3a1-3d04c9d38a4b@bwijnen.net> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:54:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19F2D14A-2BD9-486E-A2D7-055CC25C1C0C@consulintel.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "jerome@mediaarea.net" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:54:22 -0000 On 09/07/16 10:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > You’ve been very lucky. 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Received: by 10.64.19.74 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <07982045-A9AD-418D-97CA-8B57A9ACC8EC@consulintel.es> <03ad1f6b-ccb9-d226-dcb3-3faa8b5792a7@mediaarea.net> <364A19D8-13F6-432E-9D9D-5BDE7C74E715@consulintel.es> <4ac8a776-6195-38ab-efd5-faefa5d0107b@mediaarea.net> <53541425-57B7-41C8-B9FE-7659E7248321@consulintel.es> From: Saku Ytti Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:11:55 +0300 Message-ID: To: Stephan Wenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ray@isc.org" , "jordi.palet@consulintel.es" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:11:59 -0000 On 9 July 2016 at 17:30, Stephan Wenger wrote: Hey, > To the best of my knowledge, EU consumers do not need to have a VAT ID. = Only registered businesses (above a certain size) need to have one. That w= as at least the case with my consulting business based in Germany, some 10 = years ago. > Insofar, and to the best of my knowledge, MediaMarkt can sell a consumer = a TV above EUR 100 without citing the consumer=E2=80=99s VAT ID and be perf= ectly legal. Consumers can't reclaim VAT, so you'll always pay VAT. And consumer prices quoted are inclusive with VAT. VAT, unlike sales tax, is through whole chain, not just at last mile. You need VAT ID to reclaim VAT, which you can do under specific conditions. If european consumer imports something abroad say buys something from amazon.com, we'll pay VAT on it (and customs, but that is usually lot smaller or even 0). In Finland VAT is single largest source of income to government, exceeding income tax. Increasing income tax 1% will bring much less money to the goverment than increaseing VAT 1%. And all ya'all republicans should love VAT as well, as it will hit the poor and middle-class most, as all the money they make, will be consumed locally on VATable goods. Where as rich people's spending is much less affected by VAT. I once (several years ago) calculated that if US would change sales tax to VAT, they would be in surpluss, so you still have that card you can play, if things go to shitter, and it's marketable to both republicans and democrats, as it's only poor people who pay the tax. Finland has no cards left, there isn't enough money for spending, but no obvious way to cut spending or increase income. --=20 ++ytti From nobody Sat Jul 9 10:05:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBDD12D1A2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:04:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6L-xC6KdNVUj for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D60AE12D0B5 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3118 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2016 17:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2016 17:03:54 -0000 Date: 9 Jul 2016 17:03:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20160709170332.19593.qmail@ary.lan> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: jordi.palet@consulintel.es Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:04:58 -0000 In article <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> you write: >Because the EU law is clear: > >YOU CAN’T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. > >In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a person or Company which is not >identified with a valid VAT number or alternatively an ID. That's ridiculous. I've stayed in lots of hotels in Europe, with bills frequently exceeding 1000 euros, and never provided a VAT number because I live in the US and don't have one. Perhaps this would be a good time for us to stop playing junior lawyer and let the IAOC and their tax experts sort this out. R's, John From nobody Sat Jul 9 10:13:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0447F12D151 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DenpSyBxFYN0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34AE212D13F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:13:29 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:13:26 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.99] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000604313.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:13:25 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:13:25 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1998b869a1=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:13:23 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice =?UTF-8?B?bsKw?= 00004005 References: <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> <20160709170332.19593.qmail@ary.lan> In-Reply-To: <20160709170332.19593.qmail@ary.lan> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:13:31 -0000 Haver you provided your passport or another valid ID? As explained several times in this thread: When you don=E2=80=99t have a VAT number, the equivalent number is the national I= D, Passport number, whatever valid identification in your origin country. Even if you can=E2=80=99t claim for the VAT, this number is the one used for the = tax authorities to exchange data so they can make sure that the =E2=80=9Cseller=E2=80=9D= is actually paying this VAT (that has collected from you) to the tax author= ities. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Responder a: Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 19:03 Para: <96attendees@ietf.org> CC: Jordi Palet Martinez Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Fin= al VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 In article <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> you write: >Because the EU law is clear: > >YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T H= AVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. > >In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a p= erson or Company which is not >identified with a valid VAT number or alternatively an ID. That's ridiculous. I've stayed in lots of hotels in Europe, with bills frequently exceeding 1000 euros, and never provided a VAT number because I live in the US and don't have one. Perhaps this would be a good time for us to stop playing junior lawyer and let the IAOC and their tax experts sort this out. 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[75.68.179.118]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 49sm642486qtn.16.2016.07.09.10.15.31 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Dean Bogdanovic In-Reply-To: <20160709170332.19593.qmail@ary.lan> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:15:30 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3EAD9B21-EABA-4879-8691-DEAC8322FF38@voltanet.io> References: <20160709170332.19593.qmail@ary.lan> To: ietf@johnlevine.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, jordi.palet@consulintel.es Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:15:35 -0000 I=E2=80=99m currently operating US and EU company based in Spain. When I = buy with EU entity any goods, I provide the EU VAT id. I don=E2=80=99t = have to do it, but in that case, don=E2=80=99t get any deduction. When I pay bills in Europe and charge them against US entity, then no = VAT is needed. When I buy goods as consumer, can claim the VAT back, when leaving the = EU and showing the goods at the exit customs. Now here is what I=E2=80=99m curious about Can I get my VAT back as US entity or not? This is more then 400EU min = required by Germany, so would like to get my 133USD back Dean On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:03 PM, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: >=20 > In article <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> you = write: >> Because the EU law is clear: >>=20 >> YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF = YOU DON=E2=80=99T HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >>=20 >> In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services = to a person or Company which is not >> identified with a valid VAT number or alternatively an ID. >=20 > That's ridiculous. I've stayed in lots of hotels in Europe, with > bills frequently exceeding 1000 euros, and never provided a VAT number > because I live in the US and don't have one. >=20 > Perhaps this would be a good time for us to stop playing junior lawyer > and let the IAOC and their tax experts sort this out. >=20 > R's, > John >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 10:18:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D51B12D1A2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:18:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.022 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.022 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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When = I buy with EU entity any goods, I provide the EU VAT id. I don=E2=80=99t = have to do it, but in that case, don=E2=80=99t get any deduction. >=20 > When I pay bills in Europe and charge them against US entity, then no = VAT is needed. >=20 > When I buy goods as consumer, can claim the VAT back, when leaving the = EU and showing the goods at the exit customs. >=20 > Now here is what I=E2=80=99m curious about > Can I get my VAT back as US entity or not? This is more then 400EU min = required by Germany, so would like to get my 133USD back See if your answer is in here: https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html Ray >=20 > Dean >=20 > On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:03 PM, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: >>=20 >> In article <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> you = write: >>> Because the EU law is clear: >>>=20 >>> YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF = YOU DON=E2=80=99T HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >>>=20 >>> In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services = to a person or Company which is not >>> identified with a valid VAT number or alternatively an ID. >>=20 >> That's ridiculous. I've stayed in lots of hotels in Europe, with >> bills frequently exceeding 1000 euros, and never provided a VAT = number >> because I live in the US and don't have one. >>=20 >> Perhaps this would be a good time for us to stop playing junior = lawyer >> and let the IAOC and their tax experts sort this out. >>=20 >> R's, >> John >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sat Jul 9 10:25:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BEF12D091 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:25:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=voltanet-io.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fzDXsVN0BVcc for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0597512B01E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id t127so61185838qkf.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=voltanet-io.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=K86SStiYMBHQckmG9achWxTOYQhgqaA3VRz6PF7cRSE=; b=XmL+dQfeAGMc4gqypu4toFthL93vcAAvsuKX7HeNamiouAe5inaMG+iAeMfmA/Gb7w eCRRjfitST6PxLgOjsJalINDThPI2MymUqBBhgFJ1VqS7R5ab6NU06JlAcfNthAVC3P3 NLi2/KyH+8HMTXWS5oI5YdZhcUTelt6yAySGUkTM/13k4Q/b+9mfvb+8Aqj29wgNwNil QwHyWUeeihfWg3dOGT0EvgZzUeL8ag35HljhaplH6hVtI0iVWhlQKPTvKGODe2Dc/Zav LH81QdUpqBx2FyrJSVQ6YBWcPAAftoCc+jGkkPPTpFB/YJnbktsgaxhHxRPg6Rux25l/ sBaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=K86SStiYMBHQckmG9achWxTOYQhgqaA3VRz6PF7cRSE=; b=CabuLXQQPcFXc4XODsCYMGUU5Cc5kbaJXklFCtQV1i0Z/EBomXbOzgEc/oij33HN8M ZM/FivsLjzwXwguMNGWLzaHiPAByvfuMfflPcNKcrmcyjgCxThda3kegRQkUGjuYdgPP OrcZOVIrhqblNJBmQ7dS/kciN1VZMFqpbQwZ1y8MaVYvCUpYeHLaz+mZ7Erev9/UpQ9Z bFUh1DozOwNRDOobv7iNL7kPSZsJH4zIo78UKw/kJGHQqsalKxOOw6Nz0oNNvOkBt84k Qx54TgSlgLd1GilHnPmUlBMVCfp9tqCnq3C50oySMc29Dlw0mAidATvnytXVaya3hPpX b1oQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIGF2SIqKovxYLmtQQVN1a/khDIYshj5FU6KzKHJdUwdW5IlciWzUR76wIDqsbWMA== X-Received: by 10.55.160.211 with SMTP id j202mr14838312qke.108.1468085100093; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-75-68-179-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [75.68.179.118]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 130sm776611qkf.4.2016.07.09.10.24.58 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CE162468-89F1-4770-9044-8C0E481A33D5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Dean Bogdanovic In-Reply-To: <4C1AE626-FCC7-47CF-AB65-6495981FFA50@isoc.org> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:24:57 -0400 Message-Id: <0C41AB18-8915-4F2A-A9FA-5AD5D862D122@voltanet.io> References: <20160709170332.19593.qmail@ary.lan> <3EAD9B21-EABA-4879-8691-DEAC8322FF38@voltanet.io> <4C1AE626-FCC7-47CF-AB65-6495981FFA50@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, ietf@johnlevine.com, jordi.palet@consulintel.es Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:25:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CE162468-89F1-4770-9044-8C0E481A33D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ray, Thank you for the link, but this is where Germans are making it a bit = complicated The applied for refund amount must be at least EUR 1,000. This does not = apply if the compensation period is the calendar year or the last period = of the calendar year. The applied for refund must amount to at least EUR = 500 for these refund periods. Does this mean if the refund is less then 1000EU (or 500EU = respectively), don=E2=80=99t even apply for it or is it the amount spent = most be higher then 1000EU (or 500EU) Dean > On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >=20 > Dean, >=20 >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Dean Bogdanovic wrote: >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m currently operating US and EU company based in Spain. = When I buy with EU entity any goods, I provide the EU VAT id. I don=E2=80=99= t have to do it, but in that case, don=E2=80=99t get any deduction. >>=20 >> When I pay bills in Europe and charge them against US entity, then no = VAT is needed. >>=20 >> When I buy goods as consumer, can claim the VAT back, when leaving = the EU and showing the goods at the exit customs. >>=20 >> Now here is what I=E2=80=99m curious about >> Can I get my VAT back as US entity or not? This is more then 400EU = min required by Germany, so would like to get my 133USD back >=20 > See if your answer is in here: > https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html >=20 > Ray >=20 >>=20 >> Dean >>=20 >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:03 PM, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: >>>=20 >>> In article <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> you = write: >>>> Because the EU law is clear: >>>>=20 >>>> YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF = YOU DON=E2=80=99T HAVE THE RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID. >>>>=20 >>>> In other words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services = to a person or Company which is not >>>> identified with a valid VAT number or alternatively an ID. >>>=20 >>> That's ridiculous. I've stayed in lots of hotels in Europe, with >>> bills frequently exceeding 1000 euros, and never provided a VAT = number >>> because I live in the US and don't have one. >>>=20 >>> Perhaps this would be a good time for us to stop playing junior = lawyer >>> and let the IAOC and their tax experts sort this out. >>>=20 >>> R's, >>> John >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 --Apple-Mail=_CE162468-89F1-4770-9044-8C0E481A33D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ray,

Thank = you for the link, but this is where Germans are making it a bit = complicated

The applied for refund amount must be at = least EUR 1,000. This does not apply if the compensation period = is the calendar year or the last period of the calendar year. The = applied for refund must amount to at least EUR 500 for these = refund periods.

Does = this mean if the refund is less then 1000EU (or 500EU respectively), = don=E2=80=99t even apply for it or is it the amount spent most be higher = then 1000EU (or 500EU)

Dean

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ray = Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:

Dean,

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Dean Bogdanovic <dean@voltanet.io> = wrote:

I=E2=80=99m currently operating US = and EU company based in Spain. When I buy with EU entity any goods, I = provide the EU VAT id. I don=E2=80=99t have to do it, but in that case, = don=E2=80=99t get any deduction.

When I pay = bills in Europe and charge them against US entity, then no VAT is = needed.

When I buy goods as consumer, can = claim the VAT back, when leaving the EU and showing the goods at the = exit customs.

Now here is what I=E2=80=99m = curious about
Can I get my VAT back as US entity or not? = This is more then 400EU min required by Germany, so would like to get my = 133USD back

See if your answer = is in here:
https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html

Ray


Dean

On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:03 PM, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote:

In = article <7ECC392D-5497-4ED9-B6FE-55111D5F832B@consulintel.es> you = write:
Because the EU = law is clear:

YOU CAN=E2=80=99T PROVIDE ANY = SERVICE OR SELL ANY PRODUCT IN EU IF YOU DON=E2=80=99T HAVE THE = RECIPIENT VAT NUMBER OR VALID ID.

In other = words, it is illegal in Europe to sell product or services to a person = or Company which is not
identified with a valid VAT number = or alternatively an ID.

That's = ridiculous.  I've stayed in lots of hotels in Europe, with
bills frequently exceeding 1000 euros, and never provided a = VAT number
because I live in the US and don't have one.

Perhaps this would be a good time for us to = stop playing junior lawyer
and let the IAOC and their tax = experts sort this out.

R's,
John

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[209.193.29.35]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g26sm4700330pfj.82.2016.07.10.16.10.17 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:10:18 -0700 (PDT) To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:10:16 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:10:20 -0000 Hi, all: It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, and there have been some sessions during the last few meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer to for a list of what needs attentions. I always volunteer to take minutes for at least one session during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. Thanks, Melinda From nobody Sun Jul 10 16:34:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5A012D0D3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qfi69GsunILt for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E86CC12D0BD for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.32.60.34] (142-254-101-201.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.201]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u6ANYNlA092930 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:34:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 142-254-101-201.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.201] claimed to be [10.32.60.34] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:34:23 -0700 Message-ID: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:34:27 -0000 On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: > Hi, all: > > It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find > volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, > and there have been some sessions during the last few > meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings > are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as > quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer > to for a list of what needs attentions. I always > volunteer to take minutes for at least one session > during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be > in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair > asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone described my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get compliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with your style, but you really can make everyone happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happened. Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers. --Paul Hoffman From nobody Sun Jul 10 17:01:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718B712D0CA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=krose.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XGdM6p4cEekh for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22a.google.com (mail-qk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C61FB12B049 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o67so14313279qke.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:01:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krose.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XP5Bu2AAuTadfghW+WjtoeWnwITcAEyQGKWvMi2u31k=; b=AoU98MZ0/B1Jh/OfBzk5M1sCpoyKPQmxIcWnVEJMCAmOQ7UisRiWMvrR/TT4iM9peF KYVHCsTXkCZrm6OQo8FVqtRoekjunfETKMPKpoWa5HiAD98jzK0G3InmnPqwS8xZGB5s 8XQaSFjEQNzAH0JIjFbzjFubjq9i9s26lO7Vw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XP5Bu2AAuTadfghW+WjtoeWnwITcAEyQGKWvMi2u31k=; b=T6yrtTi+dMgIiCL0o7/gDFcgliGNd8K1pjKgomsAdkRSVe1sF2YNrtRt0Pb5KUHmlF yAg7aY6a1C5yMmrLUppr8v02eiDieUNsrH5ggBFfSEAYfdZBEpYWJ8lPrbh9fTf8Rcs3 CckXcdqlfwYTjXXrXiKYYy8JerqtuEMAIt+ZpwFcpOnefmGA0tcKaR9tJj2H9SHZ5NIS R9uEytmgWVK7jI+KCNJ2w7lzpspgczbK7ie/RU0ePQ0hf2e5H3HkcgCaux5vuQhWcDwX fEGtDiD/gUYYe3UJPPPv9fsnEk5vuWTVEn33KZrySTVoBQgbGr5Fp/EFcCdbdhohHoJw WlLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLxFZAUWA3hQM1G9Lga22jy8tUWQvxCvrSkPJ2jVskGVvioW6TqfvqbGd6SThBkYVBMu41l6tCdNuMXZQ== X-Received: by 10.55.18.86 with SMTP id c83mr23177942qkh.187.1468195284970; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:01:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.80.66 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:470:1f07:121:ade5:d2c8:7680:1772] In-Reply-To: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> From: Kyle Rose Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114753566bfe3d053750daa3 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:01:28 -0000 --001a114753566bfe3d053750daa3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know peoples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my own reticence.) One solution is to sit near the microphone, which works great if there is a single mic in the room. Another solution is for people to enunciate when they say their names, so enough information is available to later correct the record even if the minute taker doesn't get it quite right. Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. Kyle On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: > > Hi, all: >> >> It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find >> volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, >> and there have been some sessions during the last few >> meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings >> are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as >> quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer >> to for a list of what needs attentions. I always >> volunteer to take minutes for at least one session >> during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be >> in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair >> asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. >> > > Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my minutes > style": some people will and some people won't. Someone described my > minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get compliments and > complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with > your style, but you really can make everyone happy that someone took > minutes that reflected what happened. > > Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That > way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers. > > --Paul Hoffman > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114753566bfe3d053750daa3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch= in BA: that sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don&= #39;t know peoples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mi= c. (Source: my own reticence.) One solution is to sit near the microphone, = which works great if there is a single mic in the room. Another solution is= for people to enunciate when they say their names, so enough information i= s available to later correct the record even if the minute taker doesn'= t get it quite right.

Beyond that, I agree with everythin= g else said here.

Kyle

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Pau= l Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore= wrote:

Hi, all:

It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find
volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions,
and there have been some sessions during the last few
meetings with no minutes at all.=C2=A0 Even though meetings
are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as
quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer
to for a list of what needs attentions.=C2=A0 I always
volunteer to take minutes for at least one session
during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be
in excellent shape.=C2=A0 So please, if a working group chair
asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out.

 Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my m= inutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone des= cribed my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get c= ompliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make ever= yone happy with your style, but you really can make everyone happy that som= eone took minutes that reflected what happened.

Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That wa= y they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers.

--Paul Hoffman


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96attendees mailing list
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I think it will be easier to volunteer that way. FB On 11 July 2016 at 02:01, Kyle Rose wrote: > I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that > sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know peoples' > names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my own > reticence.) One solution is to sit near the microphone, which works great > if there is a single mic in the room. Another solution is for people to > enunciate when they say their names, so enough information is available to > later correct the record even if the minute taker doesn't get it quite > right. > > Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. > > Kyle > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman > wrote: > >> On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: >> >> Hi, all: >>> >>> It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find >>> volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, >>> and there have been some sessions during the last few >>> meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings >>> are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as >>> quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer >>> to for a list of what needs attentions. I always >>> volunteer to take minutes for at least one session >>> during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be >>> in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair >>> asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. >>> >> >> Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my minutes >> style": some people will and some people won't. Someone described my >> minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get compliments and >> complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with >> your style, but you really can make everyone happy that someone took >> minutes that reflected what happened. >> >> Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That >> way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers. >> >> --Paul Hoffman >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > -- Farzaneh --001a114b41d28d49cc053750fefa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there a list of sessions in need of note takers? I thin= k it will be easier to volunteer that way.=C2=A0

FB

On 11 July= 2016 at 02:01, Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> wrote:
I will repeat here what I said= at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that sometimes new-ish people don't volu= nteer because they don't know peoples' names, and most people mumbl= e their names at the mic. (Source: my own reticence.) One solution is to si= t near the microphone, which works great if there is a single mic in the ro= om. Another solution is for people to enunciate when they say their names, = so enough information is available to later correct the record even if the = minute taker doesn't get it quite right.

Beyond that,= I agree with everything else said here.

Kyle
<= div class=3D"h5">

= On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2016= , at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote:

Hi, all:

It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find
volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions,
and there have been some sessions during the last few
meetings with no minutes at all.=C2=A0 Even though meetings
are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as
quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer
to for a list of what needs attentions.=C2=A0 I always
volunteer to take minutes for at least one session
during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be
in excellent shape.=C2=A0 So please, if a working group chair
asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out.

 Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my m= inutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone des= cribed my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get c= ompliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make ever= yone happy with your style, but you really can make everyone happy that som= eone took minutes that reflected what happened.

Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That wa= y they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers.

--Paul Hoffman


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--001a114b41d28d49cc053750fefa-- From nobody Sun Jul 10 17:16:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0603B12B049 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hQCkPoAQnL3f for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22a.google.com (mail-qt0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3009A12B035 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id u25so21717703qtb.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vpn9Z7IPOiLm+TsgZw3s8Jd83liTpU7gQJAEk7Tdjjc=; b=Gz9Akph+aYwVKVTaPg7y3SW9huwfHmvh5bADzrY+AYOSR9gL8L7xtbVde7QdP3wv4l TFJfeSOXZsnzD5vmjSkoteLwMIntxRUpELIpCd6HRuTCfpdrUH7zkGIY9FfBvCOA6jcD f4+PY9CEMPbCBHn1erLr5n4At/rLMb3hnWLhROBmI+CHily9YEG19R3YzBIar3OdHYO6 ACHGA7fnOIuYqxX43aLUpzx15lF8JARbYC3iFZoZA+4gfDZxo5kVjjrN84di1KMQkB8V HPWY5NfvTTyz/3j1wg2IFCQdJWC7HXR10hQr0+6J5RCNtBxltQ7yy07K2SnAt8xPJHRp 39UQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vpn9Z7IPOiLm+TsgZw3s8Jd83liTpU7gQJAEk7Tdjjc=; b=EsbBqJhaWuIpcENo5acVYmARxXk1f09EqTACqcLVB99/aAcy6uGmrq6OWNl2DWahbH M9e2P8Jo9ZLYBkTwHS3jSCAZhiyVVORR0hylkLQ6HO2LU7PS3FPdo6O5mN0YKJCDiPaF WHMVfZizR2l3LDveo6ggLLCLGhaaSm+xvEc0toyrGTLA7bJ+2vDSJUCIfBqEZX/TwDgJ NcjDSktbuthIj9g/E+I+dylwkJWH0rPewa3Nyh8PGBTBzNHExlZnxg/x4UAWz79pLLS8 471lok6Dsfmp/g66ZKQYRVuQ4zPlGc8LcuvUJEH4H6gmB8XyiCMwQGgrxoWsIKXIppMb Daow== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLV8a33gCnE4pSiDYNAEeZETKKspT1bdvc5ySBuD4EAXXkNcQq0fc7K2yjoFzV55A== X-Received: by 10.237.36.252 with SMTP id u57mr19231269qtc.39.1468196197051; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twicinski-ltm.internal.salesforce.com ([204.14.236.150]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 9sm579623qts.26.2016.07.10.17.16.36 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:16:36 -0700 (PDT) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> From: Tim Wicinski Message-ID: <3962be52-99e5-481f-8998-d6c74aeee83f@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:16:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:16:40 -0000 Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the speakers to assist you. tim On 7/10/16 8:01 PM, Kyle Rose wrote: > I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that > sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know > peoples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: > my own reticence.) One solution is to sit near the microphone, which > works great if there is a single mic in the room. Another solution is > for people to enunciate when they say their names, so enough information > is available to later correct the record even if the minute taker > doesn't get it quite right. > > Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. > > Kyle > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman > wrote: > > On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: > > Hi, all: > > It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find > volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, > and there have been some sessions during the last few > meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings > are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as > quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer > to for a list of what needs attentions. I always > volunteer to take minutes for at least one session > during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be > in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair > asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. > > > Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my > minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone > described my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get > compliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make > everyone happy with your style, but you really can make everyone > happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happened. > > Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. > That way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers. > > --Paul Hoffman > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Sun Jul 10 17:27:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5586212B049 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:27:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id psO3YrUqJMar for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3CB412B01E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:27:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-f79f26d00000327e-fc-5782e7f308ea Received: from ESESSHC013.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.57]) by sesbmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id C1.4E.12926.3F7E2875; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.241]) by ESESSHC013.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.57]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:27:31 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Kyle Rose , Paul Hoffman Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers Thread-Index: AQHR2wA+jL4eRAeHp0WuGKE8vICALaASL6WAgAAHjQCAACjSsg== Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:27:31 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B381209E3@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B381209E3ESESSMB209erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7pe7n503hBncPWljsndrEZLH+xSQ2 i1vrv7A6MHssWfKTyaPr4ncmj8+zrzIHMEdx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZSx8x12w3LGic3FcA+N2 8y5GTg4JAROJq9/6mCBsMYkL99azgdhCAkcYJSbMYe1i5AKylzBKPOm/wtLFyMHBJmAh0f1P G6RGRMBV4trOfrBeZgFDifmbGphASoQFzCS2XjCHKDGX6LtxngnCdpL4dXouI4jNIqAqcejT ErByXgFfif1brSA27WCUuLz/JAtIDadAoET73GmsIDYj0GnfT62BWiUu0fRlJSvEyQISS/ac Z4awRSVePv7HCjKTWSBfYvrFfJAwr4CgxMmZT1gmMIrMQtI9C6FqFpIqiBIDiS/vb0PZ2hLL Fr5mhrD1Jbrfn2ZCFl/AyL6KUbQ4tTgpN93IWC+1KDO5uDg/Ty8vtWQTIzC+Dm75rbqD8fIb x0OMAhyMSjy8CUebwoVYE8uKK3MPMUpwMCuJ8B68CxTiTUmsrEotyo8vKs1JLT7EKM3BoiTO 6/9SMVxIID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmy8TBKdXAWCLusFT+YPgmK/U1S76khk+pyLlyzeRJQ4nn1+Bf szbYz4/Nyilo7bhQI76Ybd2TQK+cU3YX8u+8tzrA0d5zle1V9YT/0R8n+XY94jxoo6G8+2yi fbzze/ZznzenPMycv2LD7dttmwPd1C94qKlfDpRollYsTpkYJb9Q+Yj64rIOP1bub3MuKbEU ZyQaajEXFScCAL3Hh1GrAgAA Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:27:36 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B381209E3ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think one problem is the fact that the note takers think they need to pro= vide a "transcript", and write down everything that is said at the mic, and= by whom. For that there are the meeting recordings. In my opinion, the important thing is to write down what the issues are, an= d the outcome/decisions/action points. And, the chairs (and other participants) can help by saying "please make su= re this and that is stated in the notes". Regards, Christer Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Kyle Rose Sent: =FD11/=FD07/=FD2016 03:01 To: Paul Hoffman Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that sometimes= new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know peoples' names, and= most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my own reticence.) One= solution is to sit near the microphone, which works great if there is a si= ngle mic in the room. Another solution is for people to enunciate when they= say their names, so enough information is available to later correct the r= ecord even if the minute taker doesn't get it quite right. Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. Kyle On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman > wrote: On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: Hi, all: It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, and there have been some sessions during the last few meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer to for a list of what needs attentions. I always volunteer to take minutes for at least one session during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my minutes st= yle": some people will and some people won't. Someone described my minutes = style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get compliments and complaints ab= out the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with your style, but = you really can make everyone happy that someone took minutes that reflected= what happened. Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That wa= y they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers. --Paul Hoffman _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B381209E3ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I think one problem is the fact that the note takers think they need to pro= vide a "transcript", and write down everything that is said at th= e mic, and by whom. For that there are the meeting recordings.

In my opinion, the important thing is to write down what the issues are, an= d the outcome/decisions/action points.

And, the chairs (and other participants) can help by saying "please ma= ke sure this and that is stated in the notes".

Regards,

Christer


Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Kyle Rose
Sent: =FD11= /=FD07/=FD2016 03:01
To: Paul Hoffman
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [= 96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers

I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that some= times new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know peoples' names= , and most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my own reticence.= ) One solution is to sit near the microphone, which works great if there is a single mic in the room. Anothe= r solution is for people to enunciate when they say their names, so enough = information is available to later correct the record even if the minute tak= er doesn't get it quite right.

Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here.

Kyle

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman= @vpnc.org> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote:

Hi, all:

It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find
volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions,
and there have been some sessions during the last few
meetings with no minutes at all.  Even though meetings
are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as
quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer
to for a list of what needs attentions.  I always
volunteer to take minutes for at least one session
during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be
in excellent shape.  So please, if a working group chair
asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out.

Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like m= y minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone desc= ribed my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get co= mpliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with your style, but you really can make everyon= e happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happened.

Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That wa= y they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers.

--Paul Hoffman


_______________________________________________
96attendees mailing list
96attendees@ietf.= org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski > wrote: Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the speakers= to assist you. I would strongly second the Etherpad experience. In many of the WG I atten= d, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of them proa= ctively entering minutes. Corrections, annotations, names all can emerge f= rom the chaos rather gracefully. -- Jeff --_000_2D678C6E9CF84C1C9429FDADAF72BC40junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the speakers to ass= ist you.

I would strongly second the Etherpad experience.  In m= any of the WG I attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it= and 1-2 of them proactively entering minutes.  Corrections, annotatio= ns, names all can emerge from the chaos rather gracefully.

-- Jeff
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On Jul 10, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:


On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the speakers to assist you.

I would strongly second the Etherpad experience.  In many of the WG I attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of them proactively entering minutes.  Corrections, annotations, names all can emerge from the chaos rather gracefully.

-- Jeff
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+1
Liking the collaborative etherpad idea.

/Mohammad

On Jul 11, 2016 02:34, "Jeff Haas" <= ;jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:

On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the speakers to ass= ist you.

I would strongly second the Etherpad experience.=C2=A0 In many of the = WG I attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of= them proactively entering minutes.=C2=A0 Corrections, annotations, names a= ll can emerge from the chaos rather gracefully.

-- Jeff

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--001a114174e0227e2c053751635c-- From nobody Sun Jul 10 17:53:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52F112B01E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1HuqG17CO8g for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9119126579 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id f6so42521707ith.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bDjD6ISzHbxONIGHCHBWKyAJMkjk/8JOfLk0M1fWuFE=; b=uNaky5vWRyOIrFoXnQplpn0U+xLmRlr1WQQVNJ2pena+fRgWA6vUOI+qu6Vz7Ver0o 7pGl4XDRQmWgHLpMP43s/S+L9RoXauRvlIvMQNo7UoAEnPzTtR1sQMPCv0hiAY9SrIxV sy//kPSwCrK4wLFcWj4aOuUXTp96igNl5G5MnUatzsykvK3kxkLCxtJ+tsBdzh5W7afb sGxV+gCPxt+bi+maqa/vhx+qz1JNTD63PYdCme3l3jPPZnY8DYnFiKY1BkNclDLSKdRy goHmuxzQllsqhEBnfAsrSuBFJUZHO4sdx/VjTJBwURRn8Z+HmHh4Q5bBZ5BCywfnuCr+ WIKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bDjD6ISzHbxONIGHCHBWKyAJMkjk/8JOfLk0M1fWuFE=; b=Kv1Qu751fJi7K7cPuqRij8fkc5T/YI9kZwZ8rgyfpUCkBTY5aMUt3N6rPM7+D43FR1 X5KOuxxE4sr7VUnovZPEPlAK9nWo6i18zaLMAhhfgEbG2ATCWbUmM5siHjPsk2YUvwnK dc8TvbWccDVM+Ur+AxTBDjRsdbDtxZDMGEUh+FfDslpNzfuXC9rtcJuMXAaa4uwxRPsq 7rdOweYAQCvJTDPtFRDFdMatP5bRwR6eBF5iZlr+F2SphsuBoieFfZd51TswyrtUsq0l l1NqHgebPx+okCcpB/2y+iYO7ef23yhAbowGK88UvW7momtC26lS/Xc/PKgRjVsgHV3G OJBw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKVxW8cZQjz30oh09HnIQkNP0BdCcgAnvhzmzROmidkbDwxnKBTEbsyGgHlKu5xfA9Jh8gc/E0zS0pS/g== X-Received: by 10.36.117.79 with SMTP id y76mr2682300itc.35.1468198382153; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.95.1 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:53:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> <3962be52-99e5-481f-8998-d6c74aeee83f@gmail.com> <2D678C6E-9CF8-4C1C-9429-FDADAF72BC40@juniper.net> From: Diego Dujovne Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:53:01 -0300 Message-ID: To: Mohammad Moghaddas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a90ce074e72053751938b Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Tim Wicinski , 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:53:05 -0000 --001a114a90ce074e72053751938b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I thought the Etherpad was the default solution to note-taking. I have been taking minutes since the first IETF I attended, and I think it is a great experience to follow the talk, to know the people who are participating and to contribute to the IETF. Moreover, I have used other's scripts to remind me what the comments were after my presentations. Regards, Diego PS: Finally, you get a star on your badge! On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas wrote: > +1 > Liking the collaborative etherpad idea. > > /Mohammad > On Jul 11, 2016 02:34, "Jeff Haas" wrote: > >> >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: >> >> Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the >> speakers to assist you. >> >> >> I would strongly second the Etherpad experience. In many of the WG I >> attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of them >> proactively entering minutes. Corrections, annotations, names all can >> emerge from the chaos rather gracefully. >> >> -- Jeff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a114a90ce074e72053751938b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought the Etherpad was the default solu= tion
to note-taking.
I have been taking minutes sinc= e the first IETF
I attended, and I think it is a great experience<= br>
to follow the talk, to know the people who are
= participating and to contribute to the IETF.
Moreover, I have= used other's scripts to remind
me what the comments were= after my presentations.
Regards,

=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Diego

PS: Finally= , you get a star on your badge!
<= br>
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Mohammad Mog= haddas <mohammad@moghaddas.com> wrote:

+1
Liking the collaborative etherpad idea.

/Mohammad

On Jul 11, = 2016 02:34, "Jeff Haas" <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:
=

On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the speakers to ass= ist you.

I would strongly second the Etherpad experience.=C2=A0 In many of the = WG I attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of= them proactively entering minutes.=C2=A0 Corrections, annotations, names a= ll can emerge from the chaos rather gracefully.

-- Jeff

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[52.207.207.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d85sm578524qkg.47.2016.07.10.17.58.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----sinikael-?=_1-14681987097490.030158215202391148" From: Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo To: Christer Holmberg In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B381209E3@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org>,> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B381209E3@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Message-Id: <2a8559e7-ec21-4833-b5ac-77e0aee5e526@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:58:28 -0300 X-Cm-Message-Id: 146819870966427842805648681e10872eb5d810959efa3c5782ef35a23911209661190 X-Cm-Draft-Id: WyJhIiw3LCJkcmFmdF9pZCIsIjE0NjgxOTg3MDgwMDAiLCJjIiwiMTUzOTUxMTEzMjEzMzU2MzU2MyIsInYiLDFd X-Mailer: CloudMagic MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Kyle Rose , Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:58:34 -0000 ------sinikael-?=_1-14681987097490.030158215202391148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed, plus, please please *number your slides* Sent using CloudMagic = Email [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=3Dpi&cv=3D7.6.23&pv=3D9.= 3&source=3Demail_footer_2] On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Christer = Holmberg wrote: Hi, I think one problem is the fact that the note takers think they need to = provide a "transcript", and write down everything that is said at the mic, = and by whom. For that there are the meeting recordings. In my opinion, the important thing is to write down what the issues are, = and the outcome/decisions/action points. And, the chairs (and other = participants) can help by saying "please make sure this and that is stated = in the notes". Regards, Christer Sent from my Windows Phone From: Kyle Rose [krose@krose.org] Sent: =E2=80=8E11/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E20= 16 03:01 To: Paul Hoffman [paul.hoffman@vpnc.org] Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org = [96attendees@ietf.org] Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - = volunteers I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: = that sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know = peoples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my = own reticence.) One solution is to sit near the microphone, which works = great if there is a single mic in the room. Another solution is for people = to enunciate when they say their names, so enough information is available = to later correct the record even if the minute taker doesn't get it quite = right. Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. Kyle On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman < paul.hoffman@vpnc.org [paul= .hoffman@vpnc.org] > wrote: On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: Hi, all: It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, and there have been some sessions during the last few meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer to for a list of what needs attentions. I always volunteer to take minutes = for at least one session during a meeting and if more people did that we'd = be in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my minutes = style": some people will and some people won't. Someone described my = minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get compliments and = complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with = your style, but you really can make everyone happy that someone took = minutes that reflected what happened. Even better: volunteer with the = chairs *before* the meeting begins. That way they don't waste 100 people's = time seeing who volunteers. --Paul Hoffman _________________________ = ______________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org = [96attendees@ietf.org] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees = [https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees] ------sinikael-?=_1-14681987097490.030158215202391148 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed, plus, please please *number your = slides*


On Sun, Jul 10= , 2016 at 9:27 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.= holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

I think one problem is the fact that the note takers think they need to = provide a "transcript", and write down everything that is said at the mic, = and by whom. For that there are the meeting recordings.

In my opinion, the important thing is to write down what the issues are, = and the outcome/decisions/action points.

And, the chairs (and = other participants) can help by saying "please make sure this and that is = stated in the notes".

Regards,

Christer


Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Kyle = Rose
Sent: =E2=80=8E11/= =E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2016 03:01
To: Paul Hoffman
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.= org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] = Taking minutes - volunteers

I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that = sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know peoples' = names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my own = reticence.) One solution is to sit near the microphone, which works great = if there is a single mic in the room. Another solution is for people to = enunciate when they say their names, so enough information is available to = later correct the record even if the minute taker doesn't get it quite = right.

Beyond that, I agree with everything else said = here.

Kyle

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 = at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
On 10 Jul = 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote:

Hi, all:

It seems like it's getting = increasingly difficult to find
volunteers to take minutes during = working group sessions,
and there have been some sessions during the = last few
meetings with no minutes at all.  Even though = meetings
are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as
quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer
to for a list of what needs attentions.  I always
volunteer to take minutes for at least one session
during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be
in excellent shape.  So please, if a working group chair
asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out.

Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like = my minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone = described my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get = compliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with your style, but you really can make = everyone happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happened.

Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. = That way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers.

--Paul = Hoffman


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------sinikael-?=_1-14681987097490.030158215202391148-- From nobody Sun Jul 10 18:25:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E389B12B046 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=krose.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mpgoTjA8HqBI for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x233.google.com (mail-qt0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BFBD12B042 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x233.google.com with SMTP id u25so22185504qtb.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krose.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HFKdYoXkANjAdt31+VRECLn4BCosvPnKsgSjL+PSrms=; b=U3k7ydm3gVoalGsWhylOoK+/fxe7aJ0leYwkWFOI6yO7AuZOYarRl+tMO2w/JB591v +4QYrMbA7DChsGTeo0QJPRB6R+UIXPNz5rxRnzDarrr4T1NCX6N6nwuJ1Jmx0fy0VlG7 iEAqx9uBCu82fuZK6ATjJOLafQ926lHnobOhY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HFKdYoXkANjAdt31+VRECLn4BCosvPnKsgSjL+PSrms=; b=jfOL1wf3702zsH0fLU3DFPpuRhveyjIV1G9h5eOuZxYvYPwRyW1/v4Bp07oQvtEuJ5 olBHgV8wt3Bh2upoNBuEXd6N0skQHAFh7o88q8zudBryjHGylhZvaxWL1YW9qTkT1ltz H103en3rvtgerf9EC1yx5ghKLhTOiFjg5d4nPp/2uI2X9lj/rWUwzVw8hyW9hI1uGUww v4jRj8Y0/G1uvAqZl9vDmrI1F8eDEOpPMed0daAQ2RbOK/tCzr7pSs4MJux2y3Grun9e EZWalKdUzIaOLC76lnC8sHvUra72YrJg6E2dcs2kfioqwxLaxbzDuGcybdz39Ey71Xc7 ZBdA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJQSp0onKAdDu+girb/i8/Eb8Fpn1OXi0AdgI6UunJ2erIF+8rQBxP5L3zQ+uNKt4Ub/EK0kZkelaUvjA== X-Received: by 10.200.40.56 with SMTP id 53mr26839496qtq.93.1468200303284; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:25:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.80.66 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:470:1f07:121:ade5:d2c8:7680:1772] In-Reply-To: References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> <3962be52-99e5-481f-8998-d6c74aeee83f@gmail.com> <2D678C6E-9CF8-4C1C-9429-FDADAF72BC40@juniper.net> From: Kyle Rose Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:25:02 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mohammad Moghaddas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141eeac897cd5053752054d Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Tim Wicinski , 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:25:07 -0000 --001a1141eeac897cd5053752054d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Agreed on etherpad: by far the best collaboration tool for this kind of thing. (Accuracy still depends on attendance/interest.) On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas wrote: > +1 > Liking the collaborative etherpad idea. > > /Mohammad > On Jul 11, 2016 02:34, "Jeff Haas" wrote: > >> >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: >> >> Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the >> speakers to assist you. >> >> >> I would strongly second the Etherpad experience. In many of the WG I >> attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of them >> proactively entering minutes. Corrections, annotations, names all can >> emerge from the chaos rather gracefully. >> >> -- Jeff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a1141eeac897cd5053752054d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed on etherpad: by far the best collaboration tool for= this kind of thing. (Accuracy still depends on attendance/interest.)

On Sun, J= ul 10, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Mohammad Moghaddas <mohammad@moghaddas.com> wrote:

+1
Liking the collaborative etherpad idea.

/Mohammad


On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the speakers to ass= ist you.

I would strongly second the Etherpad experience.=C2=A0 In many of the = WG I attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of= them proactively entering minutes.=C2=A0 Corrections, annotations, names a= ll can emerge from the chaos rather gracefully.

-- Jeff

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--001a1141eeac897cd5053752054d-- From nobody Sun Jul 10 18:35:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5AF12B04B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:35:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56m3SlBjzpd9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E798712B049 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:401:4:3000:a98a:96c9:c23b:8906] (unknown [IPv6:2601:401:4:3000:a98a:96c9:c23b:8906]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by puck.nether.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44398540A29; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jared Mauch X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:35:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0AE2BA56-3931-4DC8-8F1E-A95B5AA5DBAD@puck.nether.net> References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> To: Kyle Rose Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:35:14 -0000 I've taken to sitting by the mic so I can read badges and such to help when t= yping notes or doing jabber type functions. Make them slow down and ask to r= ead their badge.=20 Jared Mauch > On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Kyle Rose wrote: >=20 > and most people mumble their names at the mic. 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[209.193.29.35]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xs12sm509365pac.7.2016.07.10.19.05.54 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:05:55 -0700 (PDT) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> <3962be52-99e5-481f-8998-d6c74aeee83f@gmail.com> <2D678C6E-9CF8-4C1C-9429-FDADAF72BC40@juniper.net> From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: <89b0d178-8b46-8f31-f294-4f81aec022bd@nomountain.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:05:47 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:05:58 -0000 On 7/10/16 5:25 PM, Kyle Rose wrote: > Agreed on etherpad: by far the best collaboration tool for this kind of > thing. (Accuracy still depends on attendance/interest.) When I'm chairing I am happy with whatever tools (within reason) volunteers want to use - if they don't want to use Etherpad but prefer a text editor on their laptop, that's fine. I'm concerned about (perceived) barriers to volunteering, whether it's someone not wanting to use an unfamiliar tool or not being comfortable interrupting the discussion and asking for names (so yes, chairs need to make things easier for volunteers by asking for speakers' names). So, good for Etherpad, good for vi, good for whatever works for you. Melinda From nobody Mon Jul 11 01:13:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E8512B026 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gxc7Tac04i8i for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0147B12B01C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:13:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-f79f26d00000327e-56-5783552aa6c2 Received: from ESESSHC020.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.78]) by sesbmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 4A.6D.12926.A2553875; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:13:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC020.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:13:29 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Paying for the bus from the airport Thread-Index: AdHbS0giUoYCJdZiRImBFL3Ue0hHFw== Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:13:29 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.150] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7n65WaHO4wf5dphZ7pzYxOTB6LFny kymAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoEr48aqn4wFj5gqdn1fx9TAOJmpi5GTQ0LARGLJnENQtpjEhXvr 2boYuTiEBI4wShyZfJwRwlnMKHHl7iagKg4ONgELie5/2iANIgKGEju+r2MGCQsL6Ei83FYK E56/bxEzhK0nsab3Kdh8FgFViffH7oDZvAK+Ev+bV7KC2IxAe7+fWgMWZxYQl7j1ZD7UPQIS S/acZ4awRSVePv7HCmErSazYfokRol5HYsHuT2wQtrbEsoWvmSHmC0qcnPmEZQKj8CwkY2ch aZmFpGUWkpYFjCyrGEWLU4uTctONjPVSizKTi4vz8/TyUks2MQID/OCW36o7GC+/cTzEKMDB qMTDm3C0KVyINbGsuDL3EKMEB7OSCG9CcHO4EG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcV7/l4rh QgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkmDk6pBkYT15CJ4l4bXL/uOKGRwrlik83znLZ9S6+sFHM5bP2/o+Z9 gou9dZ11hK7Il/c3etkmi8iWP7fWcjvRFHhbxXePUpmQgEa8UDJL39x9120ZuKvm+jgpdgR8 mXuvWaSiiT//7LKf6j7q+rITH6SHNgT2Ghkd8Lt/WEJF8OaZyXm3mg8x/9n0RImlOCPRUIu5 qDgRAA0Xau5sAgAA Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:13:35 -0000 Hi, If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to the cit= y, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do not seem to= accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum value accept= ed (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get from the airport = ATMs...). Regards, Christer From nobody Mon Jul 11 01:25:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E660412B034 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:25:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=iubari.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75iI51OmhHlA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mo6-p04-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p04-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5304::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A08AC12B01C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:25:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1468225514; l=1034; s=domk; d=iubari.de; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Date:From:References:To:Subject; bh=UrsTYRDQnkXNrcroLfmw4CE95jN3P0Bw0kxf6VjquZo=; b=JMdoFjcd8w5g7i0eYgPr44f1d/bAku46Vf7ZSaB+PpWkx7n6fKEYZ2uYv2SO2nKZFK9 +zTuQe1qC2RtEgkScxynIK7IjcewxPborjR6k9UfmaHIUCZrYjMMx2kH5WZP2mn/f3B9g wexlOV66xbCbuxuy9Hyt+7aTJBaAHyyw0co= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo04 X-RZG-AUTH: :LmMBcUShdfjsQJ2GYrZEJ9YKjeQFVH08bcsH7wiP4D4ltLM8mfYwykElpbHpX7+kWbmz Received: from [192.168.43.11] ([89.204.139.37]) by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 38.11 SBL|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id 207520s6B8PDKCm (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:25:13 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> From: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Message-ID: <236960ca-840d-4b46-ee49-e32c963b949f@iubari.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:25:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:25:19 -0000 Hi, you can pay the drivers in the buses, but they do not have much change. So please do not try to pay with a 50 EUR bill. The X9 is the express bus, the 109 services a few more bus stops on the way. Both end in walking distance to the conference hotel. Wilhelm Am 11.07.2016 um 10:13 schrieb Christer Holmberg: > Hi, > > If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to the city, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do not seem to accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum value accepted (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get from the airport ATMs...). > > Regards, > > Christer > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Geschftsfhrer iubari GmbH Training and Consulting Brndbystr. 34, 12207 Berlin www.iubari.de +49 163 6638527 Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg HRB 151204 From nobody Mon Jul 11 01:27:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746B712B01C for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.787 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.787 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tElgLG7EBGLb for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tpip.net (mail.tpip.net [92.43.49.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70C2E12B010 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.tpip.net (office.tpip.net [92.43.51.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C58BE4F404; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA09A0507; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:27:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from office.tpip.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (office.tpip.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id NSelBbp7VT3C; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:27:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42DFA3066; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:27:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tpip.net Received: from office.tpip.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (office.tpip.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id rl99SNCc-sCE; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:27:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from office.tpip.net (office.tpip.net [92.43.51.2]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF288A0507; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:27:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Kostas Pentikousis To: "'Christer Holmberg'" , <96attendees@ietf.org> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:27:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1153 (MobileSync - Outlook/16.0 (16.0.6965.6526; C2R; x86)) Thread-Index: AQIkL/DDNf+V/d8/lm8Ut4XJc8Q6jp9uOd0g Content-Language: en-us Thread-Topic: Paying for the bus from the airport Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:27:32 -0000 |If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to the |city, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do not |seem to accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum |value accepted (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get |from the airport ATMs...). | You can buy tickets at the BVG office at Tegel airport. They accept major credit cards last time I checked. It's located at the Terminal A exit (next to Terminal B), just before the bus stops. See also: http://www.bvg.de/de/standortplan/9087171 Best regards, Kostas From nobody Mon Jul 11 01:58:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F4712D0CE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:58:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5pIZk2rxWOhl for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail93.telekom.de (tcmail93.telekom.de [80.149.113.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17CB612B040 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qdezc2.de.t-internal.com ([10.125.181.10]) by tcmail91.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 11 Jul 2016 10:56:40 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,345,1464645600"; d="scan'208";a="488933546" Received: from he105661.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.169.119.57]) by qde0ps.de.t-internal.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 11 Jul 2016 10:56:39 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.58) by HE105661.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:56:39 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4]) by HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4%26]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:56:39 +0200 From: To: , , <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Paying for the bus from the airport Thread-Index: AdHbS0giUoYCJdZiRImBFL3Ue0hHF///5A4A///XklA= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:56:39 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> In-Reply-To: <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.213.200.153] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:58:09 -0000 Hi, or you use the VBB app to purchase your ticket: http://www.vbb.de/de/article/fahrplan/handy-apps/vbb-app/1569.html regards Nic -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Kosta= s Pentikousis Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 10:28 An: 'Christer Holmberg'; 96attendees@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport |If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to the |city, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do not |seem to accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum=20 |value accepted (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get=20 |from the airport ATMs...). | You can buy tickets at the BVG office at Tegel airport. They accept major c= redit cards last time I checked. It's located at the Terminal A exit (next to Terminal B), just before the b= us stops. See also: http://www.bvg.de/de/standortplan/9087171 Best regards, Kostas _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 11 05:21:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6C612D151 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=junipernetworks.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MErws264YNNK for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1PR0501MB1824; H:SN1PR0501MB1821.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DC74057D005C4401966538B6E187B17Bjunipernet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Jul 2016 12:21:13.9373 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB1824 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:21:18 -0000 --_000_DC74057D005C4401966538B6E187B17Bjunipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Names are a particularly tricky thing because they're fundamentally "right"= when the person says their own name. And while the speaker will often wor= k rather hard at enunciating things that may not be in their primary langua= ge or accent, what the listener is often looking to hear is their name "wro= ng" in some form that they're able to comprehend. Accommodating this is wh= y so many of our Asian colleagues will often taken use names. I always fee= l a bit weird about that in that I'm deficient in not being able to pronoun= ce someone's name correctly. There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeated back the pers= on's name. I don't think that worked particularly well and got a bit silly= in several cases. Jared's practice of sitting near the mic works fairly well, especially when= paired with either the scribe or the speaker ensuring that their badge is = showed to at least one minutes taker. However, this only helps the minutes= ; it doesn't help the other individuals in the room who may want to find th= e speaker at a later time. -- Jeff On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Kyle Rose > wrote: I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that sometimes= new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know peoples' names, and= most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my own reticence.) One= solution is to sit near the microphone, which works great if there is a si= ngle mic in the room. Another solution is for people to enunciate when they= say their names, so enough information is available to later correct the r= ecord even if the minute taker doesn't get it quite right. Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. Kyle On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman > wrote: On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: Hi, all: It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, and there have been some sessions during the last few meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer to for a list of what needs attentions. I always volunteer to take minutes for at least one session during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my minutes st= yle": some people will and some people won't. Someone described my minutes = style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get compliments and complaints ab= out the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with your style, but = you really can make everyone happy that someone took minutes that reflected= what happened. Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That wa= y they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers. --Paul Hoffman _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_DC74057D005C4401966538B6E187B17Bjunipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <49F170513AEA924CA109EE6C6AEF5570@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Names are a particularly tricky thing because they're fundamentally "r= ight" when the person says their own name.  And while the speaker= will often work rather hard at enunciating things that may not be in their= primary language or accent, what the listener is often looking to hear is their name "wrong" in some form that= they're able to comprehend.  Accommodating this is why so many of our= Asian colleagues will often taken use names.  I always feel a bit wei= rd about that in that I'm deficient in not being able to pronounce someone's name correctly.

There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeat= ed back the person's name.  I don't think that worked particularly wel= l and got a bit silly in several cases.

Jared's practice of sitting near the mic works fairly well,= especially when paired with either the scribe or the speaker ensuring that= their badge is showed to at least one minutes taker.  However, this o= nly helps the minutes; it doesn't help the other individuals in the room who may want to find the speaker at a la= ter time.

-- Jeff

On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> wrote:

I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA= : that sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know peo= ples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. (Source: my own= reticence.) One solution is to sit near the microphone, which works great if there is a single mic in the roo= m. Another solution is for people to enunciate when they say their names, s= o enough information is available to later correct the record even if the m= inute taker doesn't get it quite right.

Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here.

Kyle

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman <p= aul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote:

Hi, all:

It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find
volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions,
and there have been some sessions during the last few
meetings with no minutes at all.  Even though meetings
are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as
quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer
to for a list of what needs attentions.  I always
volunteer to take minutes for at least one session
during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be
in excellent shape.  So please, if a working group chair
asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out.

Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like m= y minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone desc= ribed my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get co= mpliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't make everyone happy with your style, but you really can make everyon= e happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happened.

Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting begins. That wa= y they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who volunteers.

--Paul Hoffman


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Yes, but I've had instances where the Etherpad eats all the notes (e.g Prague - I had to listen to the recordings a few times to recreate them) -- so I always remind / request the minute takers to please copy and paste the contents into something else every now and then. Another thing with I try and do is specifically note important things for the minute taker -- like the outcomes of decisions, who has promised to review, etc. This makes it easier for the person taking minutes than them having to infer what the chairs thought was happening :-) W > > /Mohammad > > On Jul 11, 2016 02:34, "Jeff Haas" wrote: >> >> >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: >> >> Another way to get the names right is to use Etherpad, and get the >> speakers to assist you. >> >> >> I would strongly second the Etherpad experience. In many of the WG I >> attend, there are 3-5 people paying general attention to it and 1-2 of them >> proactively entering minutes. Corrections, annotations, names all can >> emerge from the chaos rather gracefully. >> >> -- Jeff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Mon Jul 11 05:53:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EBB12B03F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.186 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfcLfboYGP30 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A78D12D0A4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u6BCrgYl006731 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:53:42 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 40EB1209E36 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:53:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33960202CEA for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:53:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u6BCrfKq031387 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:53:42 +0200 To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <05e635b4-df0b-8d6a-a370-c5eb5dcf3e22@cea.fr> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:53:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060009040403090501010502" Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:53:56 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060009040403090501010502 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AC593A179CB8F6668868DCAE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AC593A179CB8F6668868DCAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid additional Value Added Tax (VAT= ). But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - could = the VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the=20 first place). Yours, Alex Petrescu --------------AC593A179CB8F6668868DCAE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid additional Value Added Tax (VAT).

But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - could the VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the first place).

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2016 05:54:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> To: Jeff Haas , Kyle Rose From: "Carlos M. Martinez" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:54:13 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:54:20 -0000 One thing I've always wished for while taking notes is that the names on badges be printed in a larger font. I don't know how viable this is, but having a font at least twice as tall, for at least *part* of the full name would definitely be of help. cheers! -Carlos On 7/11/16 9:21 AM, Jeff Haas wrote: > Names are a particularly tricky thing because they're fundamentally > "right" when the person says their own name. And while the speaker will > often work rather hard at enunciating things that may not be in their > primary language or accent, what the listener is often looking to hear > is their name "wrong" in some form that they're able to comprehend. > Accommodating this is why so many of our Asian colleagues will often > taken use names. I always feel a bit weird about that in that I'm > deficient in not being able to pronounce someone's name correctly. > > There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeated back the > person's name. I don't think that worked particularly well and got a > bit silly in several cases. > > Jared's practice of sitting near the mic works fairly well, especially > when paired with either the scribe or the speaker ensuring that their > badge is showed to at least one minutes taker. However, this only helps > the minutes; it doesn't help the other individuals in the room who may > want to find the speaker at a later time. > > -- Jeff > >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Kyle Rose > > wrote: >> >> I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that >> sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know >> peoples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. >> (Source: my own reticence.) One solution is to sit near the >> microphone, which works great if there is a single mic in the room. >> Another solution is for people to enunciate when they say their names, >> so enough information is available to later correct the record even if >> the minute taker doesn't get it quite right. >> >> Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. >> >> Kyle >> >> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman > > wrote: >> >> On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: >> >> Hi, all: >> >> It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find >> volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, >> and there have been some sessions during the last few >> meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings >> are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as >> quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer >> to for a list of what needs attentions. I always >> volunteer to take minutes for at least one session >> during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be >> in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair >> asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. >> >> >> Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my >> minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone >> described my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get >> compliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't >> make everyone happy with your style, but you really can make >> everyone happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happened. >> >> Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting >> begins. That way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who >> volunteers. >> >> --Paul Hoffman >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Mon Jul 11 05:57:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEC812D0A4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:57:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xvwc_CpLiznz for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:5::26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD4FC12B00D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bMamN-0002dI-Lz (job@us.ntt.net); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:57:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:57:40 +0200 From: Job Snijders To: Alexandre PETRESCU Message-ID: <20160711125740.GN24156@22.rev.meerval.net> References: <05e635b4-df0b-8d6a-a370-c5eb5dcf3e22@cea.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <05e635b4-df0b-8d6a-a370-c5eb5dcf3e22@cea.fr> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.2 (2016-07-01) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:57:46 -0000 Hi, On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 02:53:41PM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: > I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid additional Value Added Tax (VAT). > > But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - could the > VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the first > place). You should consult with your accountant or some other financial advisor. 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Martinez wrote: > One thing I've always wished for while taking notes is that the names on > badges be printed in a larger font. I don't know how viable this is, but > having a font at least twice as tall, for at least *part* of the full > name would definitely be of help. > A number of years ago (I think it was somewhere in Japan, perhaps Hiroshima?) there was an experiment with RFID badges and (I think) iPods. This displayed the person's name somewhere where the scribe and minute taker could see it -- I thought that this was great, but I'm not sure what the final outcome was, who ran it, etc. I'd like that back! W > cheers! > > -Carlos > > On 7/11/16 9:21 AM, Jeff Haas wrote: >> Names are a particularly tricky thing because they're fundamentally >> "right" when the person says their own name. And while the speaker will >> often work rather hard at enunciating things that may not be in their >> primary language or accent, what the listener is often looking to hear >> is their name "wrong" in some form that they're able to comprehend. >> Accommodating this is why so many of our Asian colleagues will often >> taken use names. I always feel a bit weird about that in that I'm >> deficient in not being able to pronounce someone's name correctly. >> >> There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeated back the >> person's name. I don't think that worked particularly well and got a >> bit silly in several cases. >> >> Jared's practice of sitting near the mic works fairly well, especially >> when paired with either the scribe or the speaker ensuring that their >> badge is showed to at least one minutes taker. However, this only helps >> the minutes; it doesn't help the other individuals in the room who may >> want to find the speaker at a later time. >> >> -- Jeff >> >>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Kyle Rose >> > wrote: >>> >>> I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that >>> sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know >>> peoples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. >>> (Source: my own reticence.) One solution is to sit near the >>> microphone, which works great if there is a single mic in the room. >>> Another solution is for people to enunciate when they say their names, >>> so enough information is available to later correct the record even if >>> the minute taker doesn't get it quite right. >>> >>> Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. >>> >>> Kyle >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman >> > wrote: >>> >>> On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: >>> >>> Hi, all: >>> >>> It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find >>> volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, >>> and there have been some sessions during the last few >>> meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings >>> are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as >>> quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer >>> to for a list of what needs attentions. I always >>> volunteer to take minutes for at least one session >>> during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be >>> in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair >>> asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. >>> >>> >>> Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my >>> minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone >>> described my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get >>> compliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't >>> make everyone happy with your style, but you really can make >>> everyone happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happened. >>> >>> Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting >>> begins. That way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who >>> volunteers. >>> >>> --Paul Hoffman >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. 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Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could be used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 1:56 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > or you use the VBB app to purchase your ticket: > > http://www.vbb.de/de/article/fahrplan/handy-apps/vbb-app/1569.html > > regards > > Nic > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von > Kostas Pentikousis > Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 10:28 > An: 'Christer Holmberg'; 96attendees@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport > > |If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to > the > |city, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do > not > |seem to accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum > |value accepted (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get > |from the airport ATMs...). > | > > You can buy tickets at the BVG office at Tegel airport. They accept major > credit cards last time I checked. > > It's located at the Terminal A exit (next to Terminal B), just before the > bus stops. See also: http://www.bvg.de/de/standortplan/9087171 > > Best regards, > > Kostas > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a1142b4c08b859605375c6d9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's very cool, but I won= der how well it will work with foreign credit cards. =C2=A0 Also, is there = free wifi in the airport that could be used to do the transaction? =C2=A0 O= r a place to buy SIM cards? =C2=A0 :)

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 1:56 AM, <N.Leymann@= telekom.de> wrote:
Hi,

or you use the VBB app to purchase your ticket:

http://www.vbb.de/de/article/fahrp= lan/handy-apps/vbb-app/1569.html

regards

Nic

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: 96attendees [mailto:96= attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Kostas Pentikousis
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 10:28
An: 'Christer Holmberg'; 96= attendees@ietf.org
Betreff: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport

|If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to the
|city, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do
not
|seem to accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum
|value accepted (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get<= br> |from the airport ATMs...).
|

You can buy tickets at the BVG office at Tegel airport. They accept major c= redit cards last time I checked.

It's located at the Terminal A exit (next to Terminal B), just before t= he bus stops. See also: http://www.bvg.de/de/standortplan/9= 087171

Best regards,

Kostas


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H:AMSPR07MB455.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: jisc.ac.uk X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Jul 2016 13:51:13.3574 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 48f9394d-8a14-4d27-82a6-f35f12361205 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AMSPR07MB453 X-MC-Unique: fV0W3vLtNJKEZVUjVokvfA-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Kyle Rose , Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:51:30 -0000 Hi, > On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:54, Carlos M. Martinez wrot= e: >=20 > One thing I've always wished for while taking notes is that the names on > badges be printed in a larger font. I don't know how viable this is, but > having a font at least twice as tall, for at least *part* of the full > name would definitely be of help. This is a really good idea, and was suggested previously as a means to help= people read badges at a distance. A little less space for the other text (we all know it=92s an IETF meeting = :) Tim > cheers! >=20 > -Carlos >=20 > On 7/11/16 9:21 AM, Jeff Haas wrote: >> Names are a particularly tricky thing because they're fundamentally >> "right" when the person says their own name. And while the speaker will >> often work rather hard at enunciating things that may not be in their >> primary language or accent, what the listener is often looking to hear >> is their name "wrong" in some form that they're able to comprehend. >> Accommodating this is why so many of our Asian colleagues will often >> taken use names. I always feel a bit weird about that in that I'm >> deficient in not being able to pronounce someone's name correctly. >>=20 >> There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeated back the >> person's name. I don't think that worked particularly well and got a >> bit silly in several cases. >>=20 >> Jared's practice of sitting near the mic works fairly well, especially >> when paired with either the scribe or the speaker ensuring that their >> badge is showed to at least one minutes taker. However, this only helps >> the minutes; it doesn't help the other individuals in the room who may >> want to find the speaker at a later time. >>=20 >> -- Jeff >>=20 >>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Kyle Rose >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> I will repeat here what I said at the WG chairs lunch in BA: that >>> sometimes new-ish people don't volunteer because they don't know >>> peoples' names, and most people mumble their names at the mic. >>> (Source: my own reticence.) One solution is to sit near the >>> microphone, which works great if there is a single mic in the room. >>> Another solution is for people to enunciate when they say their names, >>> so enough information is available to later correct the record even if >>> the minute taker doesn't get it quite right. >>>=20 >>> Beyond that, I agree with everything else said here. >>>=20 >>> Kyle >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Melinda Shore wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, all: >>>=20 >>> It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find >>> volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions, >>> and there have been some sessions during the last few >>> meetings with no minutes at all. Even though meetings >>> are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as >>> quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer >>> to for a list of what needs attentions. I always >>> volunteer to take minutes for at least one session >>> during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be >>> in excellent shape. So please, if a working group chair >>> asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Yes, please. If you are hesitating because "people won't like my >>> minutes style": some people will and some people won't. Someone >>> described my minutes style as "beyond verbose" and I regularly get >>> compliments and complaints about the minutes I take. You can't >>> make everyone happy with your style, but you really can make >>> everyone happy that someone took minutes that reflected what happene= d. >>>=20 >>> Even better: volunteer with the chairs *before* the meeting >>> begins. That way they don't waste 100 people's time seeing who >>> volunteers. >>>=20 >>> --Paul Hoffman >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 From nobody Mon Jul 11 06:52:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBAA12D1B1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VnSAz6gCUBi7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x230.google.com (mail-yw0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4319812D149 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x230.google.com with SMTP id j17so93131066ywg.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hfHVpfBW37T5gTa5pvf1xG0FACzGe6VaA/KINa6bTpM=; b=ZtRbwTuwfugMv8CK/dByTiLyK2l1RWvtxoba57PKFuhf9vysD9XeCJxG90nz/j3WQF ZFLArGVw7glUkv0Xyzgv7bHwkZdyRseuW9S/XBVTZibAurL+zd46a0H2eOi0EMv1VJ3F e2geMvuZ8Nnrx3HtP/D5moxJlNv4OV5HYsIf4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hfHVpfBW37T5gTa5pvf1xG0FACzGe6VaA/KINa6bTpM=; b=HxR+2HoC1STcMuGiIu8E7CE4PDkQk/HqlTu17FCV+g82KiWPLCSgCrid8Y+SPf1c6Q tCUEJCYzISLl/OJV6MCVkCWwBR6BfoKE5OujFPnIX1v3EwQymZpPgxpSP1SsZigtVILu Hns2SuFcJl5B2m/cXjFsv21gH3YQB+uKNwKBX8bIq+/3pjCGb/PEGYfSJeoc3kHAyOUx 7FxtaEBdGZMpAGA2YIRJjPIlz+Cs6LcKph/FhkMjQUqgZMMAjoD72Bf16oERMrlpX1lT lDtF3aQ+NoSZ6RLpMndC7fuDhxsy13XPOzYRnnifEfZY4OdKrxS6DmQE4Q5n6Nb/H3R7 IfxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tITS9wyyo+oZXz6mSqwfxiwYUEnbgVvi/wJFeT6Qz2iJZaL0tOe8WJNdHUnPBYLHCOusQqakPf5AZkWeA== X-Received: by 10.37.13.77 with SMTP id 74mr12958458ybn.112.1468245116247; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.209.65 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [85.181.116.205] From: Cristian Varas Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:51:55 +0200 Message-ID: To: 96attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c03aec9911a305375c74e9 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] PayPal Payment problem X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:51:58 -0000 --001a11c03aec9911a305375c74e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I just paid my registration using paypal, after paying the page didn't return to the IETF page and encountered an "internal server error". 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--001a11c03aec9911a305375c74e9-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 06:52:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FDE12D1AD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RV4pU0tjc9av for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [200.7.84.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54CD12D149 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA21916B40617; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:40:27 -0300 (UYT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3uLV6fSF15zC; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:40:27 -0300 (UYT) Received: from grenada.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:7000:89b9:3910:a14b:591e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6477A16B405FF; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:40:27 -0300 (UYT) To: Warren Kumari References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> From: "Carlos M. Martinez" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:52:29 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Kyle Rose , Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:52:34 -0000 +1 !! i'd love to see that back! However, I wouldn't dismiss the low tech approach if cost is an issue. On 7/11/16 10:46 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > A number of years ago (I think it was somewhere in Japan, perhaps > Hiroshima?) there was an experiment with RFID badges and (I think) > iPods. This displayed the person's name somewhere where the scribe and > minute taker could see it -- I thought that this was great, but I'm > not sure what the final outcome was, who ran it, etc. I'd like that > back! From nobody Mon Jul 11 06:54:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EDB12D1AF for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HBSzN9vm2UUM for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:5::26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DA0E12D149 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bMbfc-0008Zr-QH (job@us.ntt.net); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:54:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:54:46 +0200 From: Job Snijders To: Cristian Varas Message-ID: <20160711135446.GO24156@22.rev.meerval.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.2 (2016-07-01) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] PayPal Payment problem X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:54:51 -0000 Hi Cristian, On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:51:55PM +0200, Cristian Varas wrote: > Hello, I just paid my registration using paypal, after paying the page > didn't return to the IETF page and encountered an "internal server error". > My paypal account registered the transaction but the IETF page doesn't > confirm my payment nor I have any receipts. Can somebody help me? You (and others with similar issues) should probably reach out to registrar@ietf.org - provide them with sufficient details about the issue and I'm sure they'll resolve it in no time. 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Send plain text! X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:59:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Ted Lemon's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:49:18 -0700") Message-ID: <87furgxolo.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:59:23 -0000 Ted Lemon writes: > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with foreign credit > cards. They want visitors to pay. So I would guess they accept foreign cards. > Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could be used to do the > transaction? http://www.berlin-airport.de/en/company/latest-news/news/2015/2015-03-05-wlan/ 60 Minutes should be enough. ;-) > Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) There should be. Haven't been to the airport in ages. Jens -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink@quux.de | --------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Jul 11 07:01:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1B12D1DE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nmHbfpAslAk7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.quux.de (mail.quux.de [IPv6:2001:4d88:1014:105::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C85A512D192 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.quux.de (Postfix, from userid 110) id 50A08265DD; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.quux.de (pD9E799CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.231.153.202]) by mail.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 97607265D8 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.berlin.quux.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc8.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C96F3805DF for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:01:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Link To: 96attendees@ietf.org Organization: - References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <236960ca-840d-4b46-ee49-e32c963b949f@iubari.de> X-URL: http://www.quux.de X-message-flag: HTML Mails will not be read! Send plain text! X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:01:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <236960ca-840d-4b46-ee49-e32c963b949f@iubari.de> (Wilhelm Boeddinghaus's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:25:40 +0200") Message-ID: <87bn24xohz.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:01:37 -0000 Wilhelm Boeddinghaus writes: > Hi, > > you can pay the drivers in the buses, but they do not have much > change. So please do not try to pay with a 50 EUR bill. And better don't try to buy a ticket from the driver at the airport. Many people want to get onto the bus and the drivers try to be punctual. Jens -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink@quux.de | --------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Jul 11 07:13:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CAD12D1B3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VaNnFkMdPNfv for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94A2712D1B8 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79936d0000030e4-4e-5783a981baa9 Received: from ESESSHC016.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.66]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B9.A3.12516.189A3875; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:13:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC016.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.66]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:13:21 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Jens Link , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Thread-Index: AdHbS0giUoYCJdZiRImBFL3Ue0hHF///44YAgAB/giD///0tYA== Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:13:21 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B47689713@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <236960ca-840d-4b46-ee49-e32c963b949f@iubari.de> <87bn24xohz.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> In-Reply-To: <87bn24xohz.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.150] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7k27TyuZwgwUZFnunNjFZ3Pl2g92B yWPJkp9MHq+bVzEHMEVx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZRxrXMtSMI2rYs85rwbGxRxdjJwcEgImEu8n vmSDsMUkLtxbD2RzcQgJHGGU2LL6E5SzmFHi05rFrF2MHBxsAhYS3f+0QRpEBAIlOs8dZwax hQXsJE4uOcQKEbeXaJh4iQmkXETASWLVWjmQMIuAqsTJv1PBSngFfCXa1r1iArGFBJYxSuxf Jw9icwoYSCx9eYkdxGYEuuf7qTVgNcwC4hK3nsxngrhTQGLJnvPMELaoxMvH/1ghbCWJFdsv MULU60gs2P2JDcLWlli28DUzxF5BiZMzn7BMYBSdhWTsLCQts5C0zELSsoCRZRWjaHFqcXFu upGxXmpRZnJxcX6eXl5qySZGYIQc3PJbdwfj6teOhxgFOBiVeHgTjjaFC7EmlhVX5h5ilOBg VhLh/bW8OVyINyWxsiq1KD++qDQntfgQozQHi5I4r/9LxXAhgfTEktTs1NSC1CKYLBMHp1QD Y8c65g8Vz6qEeg3vxM/IerNFYNO7cqlJ+wJ/TktYf9+YrfEGg0oWKxNr0eWp2bVzmc5c071n zRJ2i33JBs6g1F8+qe3Mq1Kdot3YnWqt1nQ9/tjZZGhUfdmrtawoe/Yclyv3Xsc9vbus6/9P 7aWXHU9urKiy+Pv/0GdftqwJIfaq+ZrFXC/vKLEUZyQaajEXFScCAPEQlQmMAgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:13:25 -0000 Hi, I once tried to pay the driver with a 50 EUR bill, saying that's all I have= . The driver just told me to get into the bus, and I didn't need to pay. Ca= n't guarantee that will always work, though :) Regards, Christer -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jens L= ink Sent: 11 July 2016 17:01 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Wilhelm Boeddinghaus writes: > Hi, > > you can pay the drivers in the buses, but they do not have much=20 > change. So please do not try to pay with a 50 EUR bill. And better don't try to buy a ticket from the driver at the airport. Many p= eople want to get onto the bus and the drivers try to be punctual. =20 Jens -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 = | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink@quux.de | --------------- = |=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 11 07:21:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AA512D18D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:21:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HTm8GdeSPhYC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.quux.de (mail.quux.de [IPv6:2001:4d88:1014:105::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A583112D149 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.quux.de (Postfix, from userid 110) id AC009265D9; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.quux.de (unknown [IPv6:2001:6f8:110b::c0:ffee]) by mail.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A3887265C1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:21:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.berlin.quux.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc8.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 293B93805DF for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:21:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Link To: "96attendees\@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Organization: - References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <236960ca-840d-4b46-ee49-e32c963b949f@iubari.de> <87bn24xohz.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B47689713@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> X-URL: http://www.quux.de X-message-flag: HTML Mails will not be read! Send plain text! X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:21:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B47689713@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> (Christer Holmberg's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:13:21 +0000") Message-ID: <877fcsxnkj.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:21:37 -0000 Christer Holmberg writes: > Hi, > > I once tried to pay the driver with a 50 EUR bill, saying that's all I > have. The driver just told me to get into the bus, and I didn't need to > pay. Can't guarantee that will always work, though :) That might happen if the driver is in a good mood. BTW: As a rule you must enter the bus at the front and show your ticket. If its crowded most drivers will open all doors and you can enter at any door. 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([2001:4878:8000:60:8855:a736:f1e1:4766]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 7sm2336096qkd.25.2016.07.11.09.00.00 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Falk Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DC17F4AE-0318-457A-9095-2C6F2D16FA66" Message-Id: <8A2326A4-9350-4CBA-9233-F9FE0196E08D@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:00:14 -0400 References: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:00:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DC17F4AE-0318-457A-9095-2C6F2D16FA66 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Good news! The secretariat is giving us a room. (Thanks, Stephanie, you = guys rock!) I don=E2=80=99t know which room yet, but this thing is = happening. I have five presentations so far, still room for more... "Social Media, Confirmation Bias, and the Rise of the F-word=E2=80=9D - = Dan Harkins =E2=80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe =E2=80=9CSay it slowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - Tim Wicinski & mystery = guest =E2=80=9COld White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich Salz Title TBD - Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo =E2=80=94aaron > On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Hey Folks- >=20 > I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please = send me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if = the secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of = presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space. >=20 > =E2=80=94aaron >=20 > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >=20 > Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha > Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD =20 >=20 > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in = Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on = the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk = lasting for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or = bad -- to be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic = should be a IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, = although not mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social = event. (It will be BYOB.) =20 > =20 > Format Details: > Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served. > To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to = aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation. > Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, = primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds). There = are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good = Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 = ], [3 ].=20= --Apple-Mail=_DC17F4AE-0318-457A-9095-2C6F2D16FA66 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Good news!  The secretariat is giving us a room. = (Thanks, Stephanie, you guys rock!)  I don=E2=80=99t know which = room yet, but this thing is happening.  I have five presentations = so far, still room for more...

"Social Media, Confirmation Bias, and the Rise of the = F-word=E2=80=9D - Dan Harkins
=E2=80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe
=E2=80=9CSay it slowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - = Tim Wicinski & mystery guest
=E2=80=9COld = White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich Salz
Title = TBD -  Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo

=E2=80=94aaron

On = Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal social thing in = Berlin.  See below.  Please send me an email if you want to = participate.  The event will happen if the secretariat gives me a = room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this = space.

=E2=80=94aaron

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening = at 22:30 in room TBD  

A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation = format, originating in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 = image-only slides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds and = advance automatically.  With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the = feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused = and brief.  This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a = IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not = mean-spirited.  Anyone can participate in this social event. = (It will be BYOB.)  
  
Format Details:
  • Presentation = slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title = to aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to adhere to the = Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, primarily image-only, automatically = advancing every 20 seconds).  There are lots of online = tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good Pecha Kucha.  Here = are a few: [1], = [2], [3]. 
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Totally true, but QR is a bit harder to integrate automatically for the context we're discussing. With RFID a sensor on the mic stand could much more easily pick up the speaker's name for insertion into Jabber, or to display on the front screen, or even just show a little readout for the minutes taker. QR could do the same, but the capture part is a lot more dependent on positioning. 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The blue sheets are not always available on time to do the same job during the session. Regards, Diego PS: I understand not everybody is familiar with jabber, too. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:08 PM, David C Lawrence wrote: > TONY L HANSEN writes: > > Note: QR codes are cheaper to print and deploy than RFID. > > Totally true, but QR is a bit harder to integrate automatically for > the context we're discussing. With RFID a sensor on the mic stand > could much more easily pick up the speaker's name for insertion into > Jabber, or to display on the front screen, or even just show a little > readout for the minutes taker. QR could do the same, but the capture > part is a lot more dependent on positioning. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --94eb2c06018e89a86105375e8d0c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Regards,

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PS: I understand not everybody is familiar
wi= th jabber, too.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:08 PM, David C Lawrence <tale@akam= ai.com> wrote:
TONY L HANSEN writes:
> Note: QR codes are cheaper to print and deploy than RFID.

Totally true, but QR is a bit harder to integrate automatically for<= br> the context we're discussing.=C2=A0 With RFID a sensor on the mic stand=
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Thread-Index: AdHbkpLaIoAUTKSMT56FfTz58iBwDw== Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:54 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.200.63] x-c2processedorg: b2f06e69-072f-40ee-90c5-80a34e700794 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E9830FF3131wtlexchp2sandvi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:37:58 -0000 --_000_E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E9830FF3131wtlexchp2sandvi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Over the last couple of years I've tried to get Jabber working on a few occ= asions, but couldn't figure it out with the (small) amount of effort I was = willing to invest. (This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.) A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn't figure out how to get an XM= PP account. Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IETF? IETF won't recommend a specific client, but I'm hoping individuals will. 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Over the last couple of years I’ve tried to ge= t Jabber working on a few occasions, but couldn’t figure it out with = the (small) amount of effort I was willing to invest.

(This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks f= or a jabber scribe.)

 

A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn’= t figure out how to get an XMPP account.

 

Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to= participate with IETF?

IETF won’t recommend a specific client, but I&= #8217;m hoping individuals will.

Web-based clients seem like the way to go?

 

-Dave

 

 

--_000_E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E9830FF3131wtlexchp2sandvi_-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 09:42:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67D712D5A8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZbQ6yrbNBuB3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E3C912D5CA for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CED4200A7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AB1638BE for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:42:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:42:28 -0400 Message-ID: <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:42:31 -0000 Ted Lemon wrote: > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with foreign > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could be > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day? -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Mon Jul 11 09:47:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114DF12D5A4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79REXGW60rH3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8F4312D0F6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:47:01 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79936d0000030e4-44-5783cd84687b Received: from ESESSHC013.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.57]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 07.2A.12516.48DC3875; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC013.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.57]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:46:59 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Michael Richardson , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Thread-Index: AQHR21JVmasCn1jZPkaCmx2/rMAC9qATHd4AgAAwYQCAACLLBQ== Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:46:59 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> , <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74ESESSMB208erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupkkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbHdUrflbHO4wZ9LfBZ7pzYxWcxruMzk wOSxZMlPJo+WOXuYA5iiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDIW3TnMWrBBueLgwltMDYwn5boYOTkkBEwk ziw7xwphi0lcuLeerYuRi0NI4AijxNqWJawQzmJGic7z84AcDg42AQuJ7n/aIA0iAlESiyd2 MYPYwgJ2EieXHGKFiNtLNEy8xARhO0kc6+tgB7FZBFQlZs6dxgJi8wr4Smw7/ZwFYv5WJoln 076ANXMKGEt8XnQfrIgR6KLvp9aADWIWEJdo+rIS6lIBiSV7zjND2KISLx//Y4WoyZdo+XiU FWKBoMTJmU9YJjAKz0LSPgtJ2SwkZRBxA4kv729D2doSyxa+Zoaw9SW6359mQhZfwMi+ilG0 OLW4ODfdyFgvtSgzubg4P08vL7VkEyMwgg5u+a27g3H1a8dDjAIcjEo8vAlHm8KFWBPLiitz DzFKcDArifBGHWkOF+JNSaysSi3Kjy8qzUktPsQozcGiJM7r/1IxXEggPbEkNTs1tSC1CCbL xMEp1cDYyv02nWnK0Q3tja6dPxbOnztD2/nC608pMQbXLZ/IfpdweP3osuSed7K8n1n/REv/ 38gb3GsdncvIK8Eonnvn8L2J+ZExatxbfO89+nhJ/Mo+02SFlrcxIbUbuNqF3/Owpbsnf2Bb uMs+XXKd7qsoM2UWxhOVnS72N9Su+zOxBBR//5Fa5aXEUpyRaKjFXFScCACp12hDnAIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:47:04 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74ESESSMB208erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate (ti= me stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss. Regards, Christer Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Michael Richardson Sent: =FD11/=FD07/=FD2016 19:42 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Ted Lemon wrote: > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with foreign > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could be > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day? -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74ESESSMB208erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
    > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will wor= k with foreign
    > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airpo= rt that could be
    > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM c= ards? :)

Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day?

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(If you use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validating your ticket while your phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and report back?) On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate > (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss. > > Regards, > > Christer > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > From: Michael Richardson > Sent: =E2=80=8E11/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2016 19:42 > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport > > Ted Lemon wrote: > > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with foreign > > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could be > > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) > > Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day? > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a11401dae8195b305375ef38c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hm, but can you validate the ticket when you have no conne= ctivity? =C2=A0 (If you use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validatin= g your ticket while your phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and r= eport back?)

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmberg <<= a href=3D"mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">christer= .holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate= (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss.

Regards,

Christer


Sent from my Windows Phone
Ted Lemon <me= llon@fugue.com> wrote:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will= work with foreign
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airpo= rt that could be
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM c= ards? :)

Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day?

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([2601:148:c000:1951:b877:4d74:c9aa:5141]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j6sm2672310qke.26.2016.07.11.09.51.02 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:51:03 -0700 (PDT) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: From: Michael StJohns Message-ID: <8504ebe8-729e-f28f-37d1-f61fcbe36dfe@nthpermutation.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:51:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------471A51715147460C90456967" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:51:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------471A51715147460C90456967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote: > > Over the last couple of years Ive tried to get Jabber working on a > few occasions, but couldnt figure it out with the (small) amount of > effort I was willing to invest. > > (This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.) > > A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldnt figure out how to get > an XMPP account. > > Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with > IETF? > > IETF wont recommend a specific client, but Im hoping individuals will. > > Web-based clients seem like the way to go? > > -Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees https://xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber servers. Hover over the name link for each server for a description of where and who. Generally, that link leads to the home page which generally has a link to the registration page: E.g. lightwitch.org -> https://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register Once you have that and a client set up, go to https://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html for information on how to connect to the IETF specific jabber rooms. Mike --------------471A51715147460C90456967 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote:

Over the last couple of years Ive tried to get Jabber working on a few occasions, but couldnt figure it out with the (small) amount of effort I was willing to invest.

(This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.)

A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldnt figure out how to get an XMPP account.

Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IETF?

IETF wont recommend a specific client, but Im hoping individuals will.

Web-based clients seem like the way to go?

-Dave



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https://xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber servers. Hover over the name link for each server for a description of where and who. Generally, that link leads to the home page which generally has a link to the registration page: E.g. lightwitch.org -> https://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register

Once you have that and a client set up, go to https://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html for information on how to connect to the IETF specific jabber rooms.

Mike



--------------471A51715147460C90456967-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 09:53:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEF612D5D2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dWU5ZN2OiCBZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC32E12D52C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79936d0000030e4-da-5783ceeac465 Received: from ESESSHC019.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.75]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 34.CA.12516.AEEC3875; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:52:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC019.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:52:58 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Jens Link , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Thread-Index: AdHbS0giUoYCJdZiRImBFL3Ue0hHF///44YAgAB/giD///0tYIAACFNigAAqQsU= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:52:58 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FC8F@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <236960ca-840d-4b46-ee49-e32c963b949f@iubari.de> <87bn24xohz.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B47689713@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se>, <877fcsxnkj.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> In-Reply-To: <877fcsxnkj.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FC8FESESSMB208erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupgkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbHdW/f1ueZwg5Z33BZ7pzYxWdz5doPd gcljyZKfTB6vm1cxBzBFcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGU07rvKXHBVo6L9bydbA2OTchcjJ4eEgInE ozdH2SBsMYkL99YD2VwcQgJHGCXmP53GDuEsZpRoO7MHKMPBwSZgIdH9TxukQUQgUKLz3HFm EFtYwE7i5JJDrBBxe4mGiZeYQMpFBPwkLi8KBAmzCKhKbNu2AqycV8BXYs/j/UwQ4/uYJDq2 TQM7glPAQOLo20WMIDYj0EHfT61hArGZBcQlmr6sZIU4VEBiyZ7zzBC2qMTLx/9YIWryJbZP 3MEOsUBQ4uTMJywTGIVnIWmfhaRsFpIyiLiBxJf3t6FsbYllC18zQ9j6Et3vTzMhiy9gZF/F KFqcWlycm25krJdalJlcXJyfp5eXWrKJERg/B7f81t3BuPq14yFGAQ5GJR7ehKNN4UKsiWXF lbmHGCU4mJVEeOecbQ4X4k1JrKxKLcqPLyrNSS0+xCjNwaIkzuv/UjFcSCA9sSQ1OzW1ILUI JsvEwSnVwCh4PUR+0QortlePedyu+7zaynLL47DmluPBDzwK+qRTdkQFKt++HqG9PUxBoK0g MyX2vtA6FU+PU0tj2YVtjiRHleVoPtl6ovHgm5I7rdFn1O5a8jxRtO/bPJXj0ZKoxyfyO1lX LM5gX3zD52nLSwWfWRfWZF/Vl+TzDHC698LtWlUAvwAbuxJLcUaioRZzUXEiADsMW0KbAgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:53:03 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FC8FESESSMB208erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I used the bus 4 times last week, and I entered through the middle door eac= h time (easier if you have big luggage). Others did too. Not sure if it's a= llowed, but nobody said anything. One needs to remember to validate the ticket when entering the bus, though,= but that can also be done by the middle door. Regards, Christer Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jens Link Sent: =FD11/=FD07/=FD2016 17:21 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Christer Holmberg writes: > Hi, > > I once tried to pay the driver with a 50 EUR bill, saying that's all I > have. The driver just told me to get into the bus, and I didn't need to > pay. Can't guarantee that will always work, though :) That might happen if the driver is in a good mood. BTW: As a rule you must enter the bus at the front and show your ticket. If its crowded most drivers will open all doors and you can enter at any door. Jens -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 = | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink@quux.de | --------------- = | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FC8FESESSMB208erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I used the bus 4 times last week, and I entered through the middle door eac= h time (easier if you have big luggage). Others did too. Not sure if it's a= llowed, but nobody said anything.

One needs to remember to validate the ticket when entering the bus, though,= but that can also be done by the middle door.

Regards,

Christer

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Jens Link
Sent: =FD11= /=FD07/=FD2016 17:21
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [= 96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.c= om> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I once tried to pay the driver with a 50 EUR bill, saying that's all I=
> have. The driver just told me to get into the bus, and I didn't need t= o
> pay. Can't guarantee that will always work, though :)

That might happen if the driver is in a good mood.

BTW: As a rule you must enter the bus at the front and show your
ticket. If its crowded most drivers will open all doors and you can
enter at any door.
 
Jens
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I think this may be one of the ways the IETF could be more efficient--I actually proposed having slots during the regular agenda time that are all-area lightning presentation sessions. One concern: non-native english speakers may find the pace of a Pecha Kucha too rapid. I'd be curious, since it originates from Japan, to hear what some non-native english-speaking IETF participants think about this. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Aaron Falk wrote: > Good news! The secretariat is giving us a room. (Thanks, Stephanie, you > guys rock!) I don=E2=80=99t know which room yet, but this thing is happe= ning. I > have five presentations so far, still room for more... > > "Social Media, Confirmation Bias, and the Rise of the F-word=E2=80=9D - D= an > Harkins > =E2=80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe > =E2=80=9CSay it slowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - Tim Wicinski & mystery gu= est > =E2=80=9COld White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich Salz > Title TBD - Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo > > =E2=80=94aaron > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: > > Hey Folks- > > I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please send > me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if the > secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2= =80=A6 watch > this space. > > =E2=80=94aaron > > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > > *Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha* > Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD > > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in > Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on the > screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk lasting > for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- t= o > be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a > IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not > mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social event. (It will be > BYOB.) > > Format Details: > > - Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first > served. > - To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to > aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive confirmation. > - Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 > slides, primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds= ). > There are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a g= ood > Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 > ], > [3 ]. > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a11424d0c1d21b905375efc12 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If this weren't happening so late, I would go. =C2=A0 = I think this may be one of the ways the IETF could be more efficient--I act= ually proposed having slots during the regular agenda time that are all-are= a lightning presentation sessions. =C2=A0 One concern: non-native english s= peakers may find the pace of a Pecha Kucha too rapid. =C2=A0 I'd be cur= ious, since it originates from Japan, to hear what some non-native english-= speaking IETF participants think about this.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Aaron Fal= k <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:
Good news!=C2=A0 The secretari= at is giving us a room. (Thanks, Stephanie, you guys rock!) =C2=A0I don=E2= =80=99t know which room yet, but this thing is happening.=C2=A0 I have five= presentations so far, still room for more...

"Social Media, Confirmation Bias, and the Rise of = the F-word=E2=80=9D -=C2=A0Dan Harkins
=E2= =80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe
=E2=80=9CSay it s= lowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - Tim=C2=A0Wicinski & mystery guest
<= div>=E2=80=9COld White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich Salz
Title= TBD - =C2=A0Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo

=E2=80=94aaron

On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aar= on Falk <aaron= .falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal so= cial thing in Berlin.=C2=A0 See below.=C2=A0 Please send me an email if you= want to participate.=C2=A0 The event will happen if the secretariat gives = me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this spac= e.

=E2=80=94aaron

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80= =94=E2=80=94

Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening at = 22:30 in room=C2=A0TBD=C2=A0=C2=A0

A=C2=A0Pecha Kucha=C2=A0is a ligh= tning-talk presentation format, originating in Japan, where a speaker prese= nts 20 image-only=C2=A0slides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds an= d advance automatically.=C2=A0 With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the = feature=C2=A0of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused and b= rief.=C2=A0 This is an unofficial event.=C2=A0The topic should be a IETF-re= lated and satirical or controversial in some way, although not mean-spirite= d.=C2=A0 Anyone can participate in this social event. (It=C2=A0will be BYOB= .) =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0
Format Details:
  • Presentation slots are= open to all, assigned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot,= a presenter needs to send a name and title to=C2=A0aaron.falk@gmail.com=C2=A0and receiv= e confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha = format (20 slides, primarily image-only, automatically advancing=C2=A0every= 20 seconds).=C2=A0 There are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for = how to make a good Pecha Kucha.=C2=A0 Here are a few: [1], [= 2], [3].=C2=A0
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--001a11424d0c1d21b905375efc12-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 09:54:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4B612D5A8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:54:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BN4E3xIbL8wi for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BF6212D532 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:54:07 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79936d0000030e4-87-5783cf2e63dc Received: from ESESSHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.24]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9E.DA.12516.E2FC3875; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:54:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC002.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.24]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:54:05 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Ted Lemon Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Thread-Index: AQHR21JVmasCn1jZPkaCmx2/rMAC9qATHd4AgAAwYQCAACLLBf//30WAgAAit4U= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:54:05 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45ESESSMB208erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprDIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7hK7e+eZwg8c7pCz2Tm1ispjXcJnJ 4s2aI0wOzB5NF5axeyxZ8pPJo2XOHuYA5igum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujNt9rcwFrx0qFm9cyNrA eNuii5GDQ0LARGLSsdQuRk4gU0ziwr31bCC2kMARRom/Cwq7GLmA7MWMEj2955lA6tkELCS6 /2mD1IgIKEjMPbOGCcRmFoiSWPVwCTOILSxgJ3FyySFWiBp7iYaJl5ggbD+Jqb+/g9ksAqoS b85/ZQSxeQV8JU49nc0OsfcAs8SRTWD3cAoESkxZ/gdsJiPQbd9PwewSl2j6spIV4mYBiSV7 zjND2KISLx//Y4WoyZdY9PQFG8R8QYmTM5+wTGAUmYWkfRaSsllIyiDiBhJf3t+GsrUlli18 zQxh60t0vz/NhCy+gJF9FaNocWpxcW66kbFealFmcnFxfp5eXmrJJkZgnB3c8lt3B+Pq146H GAU4GJV4eBOONoULsSaWFVfmHmKU4GBWEuGdc7Y5XIg3JbGyKrUoP76oNCe1+BCjNAeLkjiv /0vFcCGB9MSS1OzU1ILUIpgsEwenVAOj5bypa4L/ndG880juiBXD/AWTKjYd1L/O/vu82eRX j/qn5HCIRFxu3JNtu+tywwQPzUW8ujuDT70w+Vs/v0P7zcOuVXsc9Q/cUI46wd/es3JLuZ6o +MaXorePirB1Ht2YqcCvofjIW7VOfZKr3/SWn7ki9ZOyWyQMmk3z7M9Ks0+SqtBOmDdHiaU4 I9FQi7moOBEAeHRy568CAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:54:10 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45ESESSMB208erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I was referring to good old paper tickets - I've never used the app so I d= on't know how it works :) Regards, Christer Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Ted Lemon Sent: =FD11/=FD07/=FD2016 19:50 To: Christer Holmberg Cc: Michael Richardson; 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Hm, but can you validate the ticket when you have no connectivity? (If yo= u use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validating your ticket while yo= ur phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and report back?) On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmberg > wrote: Hi, Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate (ti= me stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss. Regards, Christer Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Michael Richardson Sent: =FD11/=FD07/=FD2016 19:42 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport Ted Lemon > wrote: > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with foreign > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could be > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day? -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ = | ruby on rails [ _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45ESESSMB208erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I was referring to good old paper tickets - I've  never used the app s= o I don't know how it works :)

Regards,

Christer

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From: Ted Lemon
Sent: =FD11= /=FD07/=FD2016 19:50
To: Christer Holmberg Cc: Michael Richardson; 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [= 96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport

Hm, but can you validate the ticket when you have no conne= ctivity?   (If you use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validatin= g your ticket while your phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and r= eport back?)

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmbe= rg <chr= ister.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate (ti= me stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss.

Regards,

Christer


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    > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will wor= k with foreign
    > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airpo= rt that could be
    > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM c= ards? :)

Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day?

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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:54:34 -0000 --001a11411dba80c4ca05375f014d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael StJohns wrote: > On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote: > > Over the last couple of years I=E2=80=99ve tried to get Jabber working on= a few > occasions, but couldn=E2=80=99t figure it out with the (small) amount of = effort I > was willing to invest. > > (This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.) > > > > A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn=E2=80=99t figure out how to= get an > XMPP account. > > > > Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IET= F? > > IETF won=E2=80=99t recommend a specific client, but I=E2=80=99m hoping in= dividuals will. > > Web-based clients seem like the way to go? > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list96attendees@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/96attendees > > > https://xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber servers. > Hover over the name link for each server for a description of where and > who. Generally, that link leads to the home page which generally has a > link to the registration page: E.g. lightwitch.org -> > https://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register > > Once you have that and a client set up, go to > https://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html for information on how to connect > to the IETF specific jabber rooms. > > Mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a11411dba80c4ca05375f014d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is really hopeless. =C2=A0 If we are to use jabber fo= r IETF business, there should be a jabber server that is supported by the I= ETF. =C2=A0 The "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful= . =C2=A0 I tried using it in BA and was unable to participate on jabber dur= ing that IETF.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael StJohns <<= a href=3D"mailto:msj@nthpermutation.com" target=3D"_blank">msj@nthpermutati= on.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Over the last couple of years I=E2=80=99ve t= ried to get Jabber working on a few occasions, but couldn=E2=80=99t figur= e it out with the (small) amount of effort I was willing to invest.=

(This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.)

=C2=A0

A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn=E2=80=99t figure out how to get an XMPP account.=

=C2=A0

Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IETF?

IETF won=E2=80=99t recommend a specific clie= nt, but I=E2=80=99m hoping individuals will.

Web-based clients seem like the way to go?

=C2=A0

-Dave

=C2=A0

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https:/= /xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber servers.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hover over the name link for each server f= or a description of where and who.=C2=A0 Generally, that link leads to the home page which generally has a link to the registration page:=C2=A0 E.g. lightwitch.o= rg=C2=A0 -> https://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register

Once you have that and a client set up, go to = https://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html for information on how to connect to the IETF specific jabber rooms.

Mike




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--001a11411dba80c4ca05375f014d-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 09:55:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580012D5A4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0VpWkx8gRIbS for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x22c.google.com (mail-lf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45040128E18 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id f6so78098300lfg.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9xSkmJh5tU8J6kG2CFJDEKg+lIpZGs4ic53oo8p3s1A=; b=jKiag0TXUbuAQmLhsKbEiN5FInk2ZQRHwq4uJ+y4Npf3lzxvwNO3ui5rVF6vmgh0GT qN/eTodLqTcNNMylNziffGVo/hVcUNJLkqDFQpEAnXtL16Gu2akJ2IBhKx8lnCKCkOuD exOMuw1DXpxcLwzqjS6lXxfZbjn6sfHORk2duV9wtybgoN4OV4HU2PuibOc6ZTi7f0Hr VweXcl2loYDDSqK0a1hMZDkM+KWZMOIV4BJd991NtUlV27waC5gj6oO5y3oqZWclMbca Yde0zQmPmvu1Pd3CIHkUqUqiwZaFiV1MVXxmcmM8usDinWQIn3k7IFkqyJ7KmBklArfj wiUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9xSkmJh5tU8J6kG2CFJDEKg+lIpZGs4ic53oo8p3s1A=; b=mSpO+r7+eUdh8ZKURCRpA2WAuhh/Rr4FkBA0UzBCPbzHsZy8umIS/06CETAgPpBPhT PBPawK6GwstTmVrNm5/pQtqj3IHbEFFAkgDk9ARPNGDZ5aVQIkgxmvM2yw1tk3Nk5jfi LWh78iCKmGx7Rg+8e8OACMAbOjFPYCk1BPnh7wWO4g5bfduyAGdOrNEKS2tIBKJhYGK6 gHZVdzTL9zozIRMPltvrWVS15kPSRuQRh2bLpPhFfaZebRKEYtxIRFWNtKOwyopkIZDe WgJctZR7km4nHFIN7insRCuPTC96+BcR/qX9+F8EThYZYc4tG/63Zd4rvhHkaRntsDO9 8KDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIU62hfK52x/UZ5dmVBawb871g5JsNfx/62AM6MLdRqJN1JQdO+w+yR2dn/5NWWRMypd666/LWzd3OEtA== X-Received: by 10.25.85.200 with SMTP id j191mr5223282lfb.39.1468256129433; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:55:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.217.219 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:54:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> From: Ted Lemon Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11424d0c08c6d905375f0539 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:55:33 -0000 --001a11424d0c08c6d905375f0539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, that's what I'm used to when I travel in various european countries. Hence the question about the app. :) On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I was referring to good old paper tickets - I've never used the app so I > don't know how it works :) > > Regards, > > Christer > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > From: Ted Lemon > Sent: =E2=80=8E11/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2016 19:50 > To: Christer Holmberg > Cc: Michael Richardson ; 96attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport > > Hm, but can you validate the ticket when you have no connectivity? (If > you use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validating your ticket whil= e > your phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and report back?) > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmberg < > christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate >> (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss. >> >> Regards, >> >> Christer >> >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone >> ------------------------------ >> From: Michael Richardson >> Sent: =E2=80=8E11/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2016 19:42 >> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport >> >> Ted Lemon wrote: >> > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with foreign >> > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could b= e >> > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) >> >> Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day? >> >> -- >> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh >> networks [ >> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network >> architect [ >> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on >> rails [ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> > --001a11424d0c08c6d905375f0539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, that's what I'm used to when I travel in var= ious european countries. =C2=A0 Hence the question about the app. =C2=A0 :)=

On Mon, Jul= 11, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@er= icsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

I was referring to good old paper tickets - I've=C2=A0 never used the a= pp so I don't know how it works :)

Regards,

Christer

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Ted Lemon
Sent: =E2=80= =8E11/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2016 19:50
To: Christer Holm= berg
Cc: Michael Richardson; 96attendees@ietf.= org

Subject: Re: [9= 6attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport

Hm, but can you validate the ticket when you have no conne= ctivity? =C2=A0 (If you use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validatin= g your ticket while your phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and r= eport back?)

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmbe= rg <chr= ister.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate= (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss.

Regards,

Christer


Sent from my Windows Phone
Ted Lemon <me= llon@fugue.com> wrote:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will= work with foreign
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airpo= rt that could be
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM c= ards? :)

Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day?

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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:56:19 -0000 --_000_A946153F5F2F4120A033391EB55B4495jiscacuk_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 11 Jul 2016, at 17:53, Ted Lemon > wrote: This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, there= should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. ^^ This! Tim The "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it i= n BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael StJohns > wrote: On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote: Over the last couple of years I=92ve tried to get Jabber working on a few o= ccasions, but couldn=92t figure it out with the (small) amount of effort I = was willing to invest. (This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.) A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn=92t figure out how to get an = XMPP account. Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IETF? IETF won=92t recommend a specific client, but I=92m hoping individuals will= . Web-based clients seem like the way to go? -Dave _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees https://xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber servers. Ho= ver over the name link for each server for a description of where and who. = Generally, that link leads to the home page which generally has a link to = the registration page: E.g. lightwitch.org -> htt= ps://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register Once you have that and a client set up, go to https://www.ietf.org/jabber/i= ndex.html for information on how to connect to the IETF specific jabber roo= ms. Mike _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_A946153F5F2F4120A033391EB55B4495jiscacuk_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

On 11 Jul 2016, at 17:53, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

This is really hopeless.   If we are to us= e jabber for IETF business, there should be a jabber server that is support= ed by the IETF.  

^^ This!

Tim

The "good luck" jabber server web pag= e is not helpful.   I tried using it in BA and was unable to participa= te on jabber during that IETF.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael StJohns= <= msj@nthpermutation.com> wrote:
On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote:

Over the last couple of years I=92ve tried to get Ja= bber working on a few occasions, but couldn=92t figure it out with the (sma= ll) amount of effort I was willing to invest.

(This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks f= or a jabber scribe.)

 

A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn=92t fi= gure out how to get an XMPP account.

 

Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to= participate with IETF?

IETF won=92t recommend a specific client, but I=92m = hoping individuals will.

Web-based clients seem like the way to go?

 

-Dave

 

 



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https://xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber= servers.    Hover over the name link for each server for a = description of where and who.  Generally, that link leads to the home page which generally has a link to the registration page: = ; E.g. lightwitch.org  -> https://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register

Once you have that and a client set up, go to https://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html for information on how to connec= t to the IETF specific jabber rooms.

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--_000_A946153F5F2F4120A033391EB55B4495jiscacuk_-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 09:57:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BEA12D5A8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LIuzRw_fjQD6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.quux.de (mail.quux.de [IPv6:2001:4d88:1014:105::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2E1E128E18 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.quux.de (Postfix, from userid 110) id BCD61265DD; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.quux.de (pD9E799CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.231.153.202]) by mail.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2ED98265D6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.berlin.quux.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc8.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6D8A3803D4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:56:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Link To: "96attendees\@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Organization: - References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> X-URL: http://www.quux.de X-message-flag: HTML Mails will not be read! Send plain text! X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:56:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> (Christer Holmberg's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:46:59 +0000") Message-ID: <87oa64w1t5.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:57:00 -0000 Christer Holmberg writes: > Hi, > > Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate > (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss. Tickets bought from the driver are immediately valid. Tickets from a ticket machine have to be validated in the bus or before you go to the platform (for subway and s-bahn). Look for a small yellow and white box, e.g. http://www.reiseberichte.bplaced.net/deutschland-a-h/berlin-deutschland-bvg-vbb-u-bahn-s-bahn-bus-tram-03.jpg Be careful if you are traveling within Germany: This differs from city to city. 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([2601:148:c000:1951:b877:4d74:c9aa:5141]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k54sm2406600qtk.44.2016.07.11.10.00.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:00:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Ted Lemon References: <8504ebe8-729e-f28f-37d1-f61fcbe36dfe@nthpermutation.com> From: Michael StJohns Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:00:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4542BA47A88FDD4B29876B6E" Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:00:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4542BA47A88FDD4B29876B6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 7/11/2016 12:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, > there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. There is an IETF jabber server (run by the secretariate) that hosts the chat rooms. It doesn't (AFAICT) support user registration. Given the wide set of available public chat rooms and the already heavy load on the secretariat, I wouldn't argue for them to take up yet another user support role. > The "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using > it in BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. Hmm... usually its as simple as @ jabber.ietf.org as in input to "join conference" or "join chatroom" depending on your client. Mike > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael StJohns > > wrote: > > On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote: >> >> Over the last couple of years I’ve tried to get Jabber working on >> a few occasions, but couldn’t figure it out with the (small) >> amount of effort I was willing to invest. >> >> (This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber >> scribe.) >> >> A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn’t figure out how to >> get an XMPP account. >> >> Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate >> with IETF? >> >> IETF won’t recommend a specific client, but I’m hoping >> individuals will. >> >> Web-based clients seem like the way to go? >> >> -Dave >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > https://xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber > servers. Hover over the name link for each server for a > description of where and who. Generally, that link leads to the > home page which generally has a link to the registration page: > E.g. lightwitch.org -> > https://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register > > Once you have that and a client set up, go to > https://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html for information on how to > connect to the IETF specific jabber rooms. > > Mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --------------4542BA47A88FDD4B29876B6E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 7/11/2016 12:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
This is really hopeless.   If we are to use jabber for IETF business, there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. 
There is an IETF jabber server (run by the secretariate) that hosts the chat rooms.  It doesn't (AFAICT) support user registration.    Given the wide set of available public chat rooms and the already heavy load on the secretariat, I wouldn't argue for them to take up yet another user support role.

The "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful.   I tried using it in BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF.

Hmm... usually its as simple as <wgname> @ jabber.ietf.org as in input to "join conference" or "join chatroom" depending on your client.

Mike


On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> wrote:
On 7/11/2016 12:37 PM, Dave Dolson wrote:

Over the last couple of years I’ve tried to get Jabber working on a few occasions, but couldn’t figure it out with the (small) amount of effort I was willing to invest.

(This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.)

 

A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn’t figure out how to get an XMPP account.

 

Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IETF?

IETF won’t recommend a specific client, but I’m hoping individuals will.

Web-based clients seem like the way to go?

 

-Dave

 

 



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https://xmpp.net/directory.php - has a list of public jabber servers.    Hover over the name link for each server for a description of where and who.  Generally, that link leads to the home page which generally has a link to the registration page:  E.g. lightwitch.org  -> https://lightwitch.org/xmpp/register

Once you have that and a client set up, go to https://www.ietf.org/jabber/index.html for information on how to connect to the IETF specific jabber rooms.

Mike




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--------------4542BA47A88FDD4B29876B6E-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:01:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636FB12D5C3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=iubari.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4vbAfemMSN4z for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mo6-p04-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p04-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5304::7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 595E512D0CD for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:01:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1468256507; l=11195; s=domk; d=iubari.de; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:From:References:To: Subject; bh=moG+R2hhnNanOnUuyaXyu4Yrbo8fmDZ8nIfPJiEhKl0=; b=IhCIhMen2uPF3XUz9V4feJWRPj0u/m4q+TKRtIrTYQRHLMzY3HjoPVkpaU8qMs0kDR4 6duKIWK5rTFzbz/xOMFFf+y3Ddfo6DGumSwbVVOMjFB0NipVw+4NpT2PCOCtFvFPnumtL VZDdc+B8q+vdLSx8RHYryAdQmXfyg8m+b8w= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo04 X-RZG-AUTH: :LmMBcUShdfjsQJ2GYrZEJ9YKjeQFVH08bcsH7wiP4D4ltLM8mfYwykElpbHpX7+kWbmz Received: from [192.168.43.11] ([89.204.139.37]) by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 38.11 SBL|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id 202277s6BH1lLca (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:01:47 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> From: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Message-ID: <01dc63c8-20bd-32a8-51dc-caf61c88463c@iubari.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:02:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FD45@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------385AC971716AA4D7A89C730E" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:01:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------385AC971716AA4D7A89C730E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, it is not a good idea to travel without a valid ticket. Presenting the valid ticket to the driver should stop people to go without a valid ticket. But there are teams who enter the bus just like any passenger and they check for tickets. Not having a ticket costs EUR 60,-, I think. This happens more often on the trains in Berlin than in the bus, but always be prepared to present a valid ticket. A paper ticket from the ticket maschine has to be validated by stamping it, either in the bus or on the plattform. This is not possible in the train. I hope you all can still enjoy your stay in Berlin :-) Wilhelm Am 11.07.2016 um 18:54 schrieb Christer Holmberg: > Hi, > > I was referring to good old paper tickets - I've never used the app > so I don't know how it works :) > > Regards, > > Christer > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Ted Lemon > Sent: ‎11/‎07/‎2016 19:50 > To: Christer Holmberg > Cc: Michael Richardson ; 96attendees@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport > > Hm, but can you validate the ticket when you have no connectivity? > (If you use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validating your > ticket while your phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and > report back?) > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmberg > > wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't > validate (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss. > > Regards, > > Christer > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Michael Richardson > Sent: ‎11/‎07/‎2016 19:42 > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport > > Ted Lemon > wrote: > > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with > foreign > > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airport that > could be > > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :) > > Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day? > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 > mesh networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca > http://www.sandelman.ca/ | > ruby on rails [ > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Geschäftsführer iubari GmbH Training and Consulting Bröndbystr. 34, 12207 Berlin www.iubari.de +49 163 6638527 Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg HRB 151204 --------------385AC971716AA4D7A89C730E Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

it is not a good idea to travel without a valid ticket. Presenting the valid ticket to the driver should stop people to go without a valid ticket. But there are teams who enter the bus just like any passenger and they check for tickets. Not having a ticket costs EUR 60,-, I think.

This happens more often on the trains in Berlin than in the bus, but always be prepared to present a valid ticket. A paper ticket from the ticket maschine has to be validated by stamping it, either in the bus or on the plattform. This is not possible in the train.

I hope you all can still enjoy your stay in Berlin :-)

Wilhelm


Am 11.07.2016 um 18:54 schrieb Christer Holmberg:
Hi,

I was referring to good old paper tickets - I've  never used the app so I don't know how it works :)

Regards,

Christer

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Ted Lemon
Sent: ‎11/‎07/‎2016 19:50
To: Christer Holmberg
Cc: Michael Richardson; 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport

Hm, but can you validate the ticket when you have no connectivity?   (If you use this mechanism, perhaps you could try validating your ticket while your phone is in airplane mode, see what happens, and report back?)

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't validate (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss.

Regards,

Christer


Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Michael Richardson
Sent: ‎11/‎07/‎2016 19:42
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
    > That's very cool, but I wonder how well it will work with foreign
    > credit cards. Also, is there free wifi in the airport that could be
    > used to do the transaction? Or a place to buy SIM cards? :)

Or, can we buy a ticket before we leave home for the following day?

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No, jabber integration with gmail died a couple of IETFs a= go; that's why this is a problem. =C2=A0 I agree that running a jabber = server isn't that hard, but should every IETF participant set up their = own? =C2=A0 Isn't that a poor use of time? =C2=A0 The web interface you= are referring to, is that coupled with the Meetecho system? =C2=A0 If so, = I think it's a bit of a bandwidth hog if everyone uses it.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at = 9:57 AM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
>
> This is really hopeless.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If we are to use jabber for IETF = business, there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0The "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0I tried using it in BA and was unable to participate on jabber= during that IETF.
>

I run my own jabber server.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not *that* hard.

I understand you can also integrate jabber w/ your gmail account (since man= y people have these).

There is also the web interface to jabber that IETF does provide, you could= always use this.

- Jared

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Send plain text! X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:02:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768FC8F@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> (Christer Holmberg's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:52:58 +0000") Message-ID: <87k2gsw1j9.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:03:05 -0000 Christer Holmberg writes: > I used the bus 4 times last week, and I entered through the middle door > each time (easier if you have big luggage). Others did too. Not sure if > it's allowed, but nobody said anything. I guess it depends on the driver and the number of people on the bus and entering the bus. 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[184.19.79.130]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j5sm1617951ith.1.2016.07.11.10.08.17 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:08:17 -0700 (PDT) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <8504ebe8-729e-f28f-37d1-f61fcbe36dfe@nthpermutation.com> From: Tim Wicinski Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:08:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/49.0a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:08:20 -0000 On 7/11/16 12:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, > there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The > "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in > BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. > +1 here. 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:14:27 -0000 > On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, = there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The = "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in = BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. I tried six servers from that list that were totally non-functional. The = seventh one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW it was SUChat.org, and = the client still seems to be working with that account. But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that list. 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([2001:4878:8000:60:8855:a736:f1e1:4766]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm352883qtg.24.2016.07.11.10.16.11 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_60A80082-9CAB-4B01-A050-88A121C13521" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Aaron Falk In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:16:11 -0400 Message-Id: References: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> <8A2326A4-9350-4CBA-9233-F9FE0196E08D@gmail.com> To: Ted Lemon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:16:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_60A80082-9CAB-4B01-A050-88A121C13521 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Ted- I hope you=E2=80=99ll reconsider and extend your bedtime for a night but = understand if you don=E2=80=99t. The choice of time and the pechakucha = format are deliberate to emphasize the non-work dimension of this. The = pechakucha emphasis on non-text-based presentations is probably a bad = fit for technical proposals (although I may be surprised next week). I = think the idea of lightning talks for the IETF is a great one. The = Applied Networking Research Workshop on Saturday will be using them and = I=E2=80=99d love to see some working groups try it as well. =E2=80=94aaron > On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > If this weren't happening so late, I would go. I think this may be = one of the ways the IETF could be more efficient--I actually proposed = having slots during the regular agenda time that are all-area lightning = presentation sessions. One concern: non-native english speakers may = find the pace of a Pecha Kucha too rapid. I'd be curious, since it = originates from Japan, to hear what some non-native english-speaking = IETF participants think about this. >=20 > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Aaron Falk > wrote: > Good news! The secretariat is giving us a room. (Thanks, Stephanie, = you guys rock!) I don=E2=80=99t know which room yet, but this thing is = happening. I have five presentations so far, still room for more... >=20 > "Social Media, Confirmation Bias, and the Rise of the F-word=E2=80=9D = - Dan Harkins > =E2=80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe > =E2=80=9CSay it slowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - Tim Wicinski & mystery = guest > =E2=80=9COld White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich Salz > Title TBD - Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo >=20 > =E2=80=94aaron >=20 >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Falk > wrote: >>=20 >> Hey Folks- >>=20 >> I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please = send me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if = the secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of = presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space. >>=20 >> =E2=80=94aaron >>=20 >> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >>=20 >> Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha >> Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD =20 >>=20 >> A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in = Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on = the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk = lasting for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or = bad -- to be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic = should be a IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, = although not mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social = event. (It will be BYOB.) =20 >> =20 >> Format Details: >> Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first = served. >> To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to = aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation. >> Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, = primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds). There = are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good = Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 = ], [3 ].=20= >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees = >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_60A80082-9CAB-4B01-A050-88A121C13521 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Ted-

I = hope you=E2=80=99ll reconsider and extend your bedtime for a night but = understand if you don=E2=80=99t.  The choice of time and the = pechakucha format are deliberate to emphasize the non-work dimension of = this.  The pechakucha emphasis on non-text-based presentations is = probably a bad fit for technical proposals (although I may be surprised = next week).  I think the idea of lightning talks for the IETF is a = great one.  The Applied Networking Research Workshop on Saturday = will be using them and I=E2=80=99d love to see some working groups try = it as well.

=E2=80=94aaron


On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> = wrote:

If this weren't happening so late, I would go. =   I think this may be one of the ways the IETF could be more = efficient--I actually proposed having slots during the regular agenda = time that are all-area lightning presentation sessions.   One = concern: non-native english speakers may find the pace of a Pecha Kucha = too rapid.   I'd be curious, since it originates from Japan, to = hear what some non-native english-speaking IETF participants think about = this.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> = wrote:
Good news!  The = secretariat is giving us a room. (Thanks, Stephanie, you guys rock!) =  I don=E2=80=99t know which room yet, but this thing is = happening.  I have five presentations so far, still room for = more...

"Social Media, Confirmation Bias, and the Rise of the = F-word=E2=80=9D - Dan Harkins
=E2=80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe
=E2=80=9CSay it slowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - = Tim Wicinski & mystery guest
=E2=80=9COld = White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich Salz
Title = TBD -  Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo

=E2=80=94aaron

On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Folks-

I = want to do an informal social thing in Berlin.  See below.  = Please send me an email if you want to participate.  The event will = happen if the secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of = presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space.

=E2=80=94aaron

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening = at 22:30 in room TBD  

A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation = format, originating in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 = image-only slides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds and = advance automatically.  With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the = feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused = and brief.  This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a = IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not = mean-spirited.  Anyone can participate in this social event. = (It will be BYOB.)  
  
Format Details:
  • Presentation = slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title = to aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to adhere to the = Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, primarily image-only, automatically = advancing every 20 seconds).  There are lots of online = tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good Pecha Kucha.  Here = are a few: [1], [2], [3]. 


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= --Apple-Mail=_60A80082-9CAB-4B01-A050-88A121C13521-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:16:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5908F12D5E7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c3_75BDo1lrE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de [80.237.132.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 876F712D0F6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x2f02ef8.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.240.46.248] helo=host); authenticated by wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1bMeok-0003xl-W3; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:16:27 +0200 Message-ID: <1468257377.6936.37.camel@neu.land> From: Jonas Jared Jacek To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:16:17 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.9-1+b1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf96@neu.land;1468257388;d8a2e981; Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf96@neu.land List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:16:33 -0000 Hi Dave, you can find a list of Jabber/XMPP clients here: http://xmpp.org/software/clients.html - They ask for your account credentials. I hear 'Pidgin' is the client of choice: http://pidgin.im/ Getting an account is easy. Sign up for an account with one of the many Jabber-Server providers. Try jabber.org for example http://www.jabber.org/faq.html#account or any other provider: https://www.google.com/#q=jabber+account+providers Alternative: If you have administrative rights over a domain name, you can also set up an email address at that domain name for using jabber. E.g. xmpp@domain.tld You can get a hassle-free Jabber account for your email address here: https://hosted.im/ (that's what I did). I hope this helps. Cheers, Jonas -- Jonas Jared Jacek http://jonas.me/ On Mo, 2016-07-11 at 16:37 +0000, Dave Dolson wrote: > Over the last couple of years I've tried to get Jabber working on a few occasions, but couldn't figure it out with the (small) amount of effort I was willing to invest. > (This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.) > > A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn't figure out how to get an XMPP account. > > Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IETF? > IETF won't recommend a specific client, but I'm hoping individuals will. > Web-based clients seem like the way to go? > > -Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:21:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E63812D0B4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUoB6NK0wzc9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com (mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FEB712D0CC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0078668.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.17/8.16.0.17) with SMTP id u6BH2xHX012565; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:08:42 -0400 Received: from stntexhc11.cis.neustar.com ([156.154.17.216]) by mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 242v2h3wjr-1 (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:08:42 -0400 Received: from STNTEXMB10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.5.94]) by stntexhc11.cis.neustar.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0279.002; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:08:42 -0400 From: "Rosen, Brian" To: Dave Dolson , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:21:52 -0000 > On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:14, Yoav Nir wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>=20 >> This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, = there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The = "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in = BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. >=20 > I tried six servers from that list that were totally non-functional. = The seventh one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW it was SUChat.org, = and the client still seems to be working with that account. >=20 > But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that = list. >=20 > Yoav For BA, participating remotely, I used Meetecho for the first time. Bit = of a fiddle to find a web browser that works on your OS of choice, but = Firefox seemed to work best (i.e. supported more of the standards on = which meet echo is based) than the others for OSX, though others = reported Chrome working for them. It=E2=80=99s a lot less fiddly than = Jabber. Just follow the links for the meeting you are attending. Do not = be frightened to ask others doing the same for help, because help will = be forthcoming. Can=E2=80=99t remember what I used on the mac for Jabber but Taikonaut = is a good client for iPad. Regards John > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:24:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7AC12D0C4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l2IKFwiRo5PX for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C49C512D0B4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id u201so157355208oie.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2a+O9svCZ0nG/LHcVpXJXRVLTvffeNFfXoGdCG6FWHQ=; b=Kd5q5EJdCZfPFCGx3fjegpct3IYw6//ZjZ6B+VfzPNlvM3Ylttd0jkOsd+wtzkYNT0 LQC5gbRKHE5CUczpuaTXxnTa9kl8s7DSH5AN1FWW+adsnWFop1i+nnpgRW5FlbR8Wn30 WzVP88NsAHrUfY2T87xn+mjosvxeslMNeImr5m6eQtGEZKFiLkxwCzHPBXtNqEtjo4A/ UdUHRetZ+mFoWkzNTGuU6s6LMOMYujAGWg8gvhVuS5VkJozQhjkr80dTqtNNchThWiSM +KGoJK1S/Dfbp8zJHPBtRJ8ECx1dm0itu+CDXtpEZ8JYhePZKmVoUODSKeL3Jn1Pnuyl 5dcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2a+O9svCZ0nG/LHcVpXJXRVLTvffeNFfXoGdCG6FWHQ=; b=c/PzrlUr3OnAtFrCrN10Poz+/7VJQ8FmE/I+1uInu8RDs4WitCr/tFEOusq4s90t70 JxnKmIjQuIRtY8/aWCQw+cfaa8Wl9wPipM7/3odKpwCRhMUGeFacMls97gWVsxJMNxi2 oxnBMhd3hhBUvS+sAvB1oNk2aZE7ca/CJBSGNIYXMomaOEMpj+q65SIfLsA18yFNHX4G WWYf+t2hoekxvqe3TlLlLIV4if+vxEMOGLEGuuuO/lLyNiHGr7Se2NSz8j1E7gB22At5 3XUGSj/QI8mdgEEUYvP+NC3dyxkC3CctrX7ZfXZmRpcVQNdn8TpL25Hq4BDkT2DeqKMx LQdA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIHEs/fGddrhRvMN182aLD27eIaxQbEPZUA2eihWz5kdeFhSVNX/I4tcmG9JDVuOG3SXQjNeh3F2WRXHQ== X-Received: by 10.202.224.136 with SMTP id x130mr11307504oig.105.1468257850010; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.230.71 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:24:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> <8A2326A4-9350-4CBA-9233-F9FE0196E08D@gmail.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:24:09 +0200 Message-ID: To: Aaron Falk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:24:12 -0000 my only objection to this event, at this time, is that it it is not BYOE - Bring Your Own Expresso. Where will be the nearest coffee? 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Martinez" Message-ID: <32c9535a-893b-d274-debc-7b14b4e24b55@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:25:34 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <73FCA940-2699-410D-BBF0-065ED61786BF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , Michael StJohns Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:25:40 -0000 I believe getting a free Jabber account is not particularly difficult, although I agree that it hardly seems like a robust solution. Maybe it's not beyond imagining an IETF-run jabber server, with account creation tied to registration to one event. On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, John Dowdell wrote: > >> On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:14, Yoav Nir wrote: >> >> >>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>> >>> This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The "good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. >> >> I tried six servers from that list that were totally non-functional. The seventh one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW it was SUChat.org, and the client still seems to be working with that account. >> >> But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that list. >> >> Yoav > > For BA, participating remotely, I used Meetecho for the first time. Bit of a fiddle to find a web browser that works on your OS of choice, but Firefox seemed to work best (i.e. supported more of the standards on which meet echo is based) than the others for OSX, though others reported Chrome working for them. It’s a lot less fiddly than Jabber. Just follow the links for the meeting you are attending. Do not be frightened to ask others doing the same for help, because help will be forthcoming. > > Can’t remember what I used on the mac for Jabber but Taikonaut is a good client for iPad. > > Regards > John >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:26:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0028F12D0C4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:26:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfwCTIl9GyO0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com [23.79.238.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F282F12D0B4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E571433660 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:26:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com [172.27.118.250]) by prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1460E433403 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:26:51 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1468258011; bh=fFxIY7RDwCAIN8OO2s0dXsr9iycY622wwV0ToZfkTLs=; l=1345; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=HwmkJZH6xyWpIyqVvJzAEpKnZ+BcFi6gW07CAxMMI+lY3K1cJkj3XlNWIFNxcDmws k7cvRITGUYtaI+2dZp+k8xOifsZlVBH33uQCSsFFaAfGrAyeVVTQtCypUTXm0obWlg MLDcSwCoWq1XVxzzQzjpArtKvrzTBjxhK479PsrQ= Received: from tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com (tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com [172.28.10.104]) by prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA89F1FC88; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:26:50 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <22403.55002.792224.637523@tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:26:50 -0400 From: David C Lawrence To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> <8A2326A4-9350-4CBA-9233-F9FE0196E08D@gmail.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:26:54 -0000 Ted Lemon writes: > One concern: non-native english speakers may find the pace of a > Pecha Kucha too rapid. I can't speak to this directly, because I'm a native English speaker, but having done PechaKucha before I'll observe that the "lightning talk" epithet is a little bit of a misnomer. It need not be rapid. The overall goal is to keep succinctly to the point while on a fixed pace for slide rotations. It is not to cram as many words as possible into a rapid-fire intellectual assault, but rather to really focus on the core aspects of what you have to communicate. That said, one of the more common aspects of PechaKucha talks is that slides are more of a design accent to the talk, rather than the primary script for it. Think TED Talk, but on a merciless timer. The focus is on the speaker's words, with slides illustrating key visual aspects, much like the photos accompanying a magazine story. Bullet lists and other prose on the slides are discouraged. Obviously this contrasts significantly to the conventional PowerPoint-style presentation, where someone who can read a language but is less skilled in listening to it could still get a lot out of a talk just by following along with the slides. Even if the speaking itself need not be hurried, the PechaKucha would likely be more difficult to follow. 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Yup, the RFID were, iirc, on the mic stands, and worked really well. W > The blue sheets are not always available on time > to do the same job during the session. > Regards, > > Diego > > PS: I understand not everybody is familiar > with jabber, too. > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:08 PM, David C Lawrence > wrote: > >> TONY L HANSEN writes: >> > Note: QR codes are cheaper to print and deploy than RFID. >> >> Totally true, but QR is a bit harder to integrate automatically for >> the context we're discussing. With RFID a sensor on the mic stand >> could much more easily pick up the speaker's name for insertion into >> Jabber, or to display on the front screen, or even just show a little >> readout for the minutes taker. QR could do the same, but the capture >> part is a lot more dependent on positioning. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --001a11441d5ebb36b205375fbc38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Monday, July 11, 2016, Diego Dujovne <diego.dujovne@gmail.com> wrote:
Another option could be to ask= the participants
to login into jabber before going to the Mic,
so it would be faster to scan the list of
attende= es for the name.

I try har= d not to open my laptop in sessions which I care about -- it's much too= easy to just glance at email during a poor presentation, and then, suddenl= y everyone gets up and wanders out, and you realize you've just missed = the whole session.


Yup, the RFID we= re, iirc, on the mic stands, and worked really well.


W
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The blue sheets are not always available o= n time
to do the same job during the session.
R= egards,

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PS: I understand not everybody is familia= r
with jabber, too.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:08 PM, David C L= awrence <tale@akamai.com> wrote:
TONY L HANSEN writes: > Note: QR codes are cheaper to print and deploy than RFID.

Totally true, but QR is a bit harder to integrate automatically for<= br> the context we're discussing.=C2=A0 With RFID a sensor on the mic stand=
could much more easily pick up the speaker's name for insertion into Jabber, or to display on the front screen, or even just show a little
readout for the minutes taker.=C2=A0 QR could do the same, but the capture<= br> part is a lot more dependent on positioning.

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I don't think the execution is relevant whe= n it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting r= abid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen th= ose particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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--001a11441d5ebb36b205375fbc38-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:52:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D987412D611 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.085 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_SBL=1.623, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3tzEuqajwopK for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B62D212D5A4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:52:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8144; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468259537; x=1469469137; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; bh=HgWlYqPO1SpgBfB3Pm1rrULE1cwOt6pbpRcVaPMX/FA=; b=LWvl7YJ/ii4mwr+qR5sF/g+FYclQs/UYaEkiviJ5v8XGcJQzqq8Zcx6S LY/LtSlL0HvZ3EfxsaWtS2ou4ACL3GZR8reqybT4MuyevgxP6NDvBrZJN m599wJkK+H8Wdu9WEIw5iMsz7Vk9oUPB7jgHwkvaWnDelvxQPZf8h8NKl c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,347,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="294609376" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Jul 2016 17:52:17 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6BHqG6K026256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:52:17 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6BHqFd9011260; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:52:15 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6BHqEHa011258; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:52:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:52:14 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Message-ID: <20160711175214.GS7377@cisco.com> References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: amorris@amsl.com, "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Carlos M. Martinez" , Fred Baker , ???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????? Subject: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice n X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:52:20 -0000 Jordi/*: I haven't seen a good fact checking summary of this thread, my 0.02c are: You're probably right that a seller i obliged to provide such receipts with buyer Tax-ID or personal ID (passport etc..) if the buyer wants to have this, but anonyomous cash sales are for all i know not yet illegal in the EU (*), so if the buyer does not care about this VAT stuff, then there is really nothing that mandates the seller to inquire/verify the (Tax)identity of the buyer. Cheers Toerless (*) Under some certain, maximum value which in the several thousands, for higher cash sales, the anty money-launderinr rules kick in which are currently different for every EU country AFAIK. On Sat, Jul 09, 2016 at 09:52:59AM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > This way is against the law. > > IS NOT THAT YOU SHOULD REIUSSE THE INVOICE ONLY FOR THOSE THAT COMPLETE THE FORM. > > YOU MUST (MANDATORY) ISSUE THE INVOICES FOR ALL, INCLUDING THIS FIELD, THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THE EU TAX LAWS. For example, each IETF participant, must provide it in order to collect the registration ID. > > Otherwise it means we want the IETF to act illegally! NICE! > > And by the way, you must force this field as mandatory in ALL the registrations for ALL IETFs, even if they are not in EU, European people need to have it in their invoices, despite. I???ve told this to the secretariat since many years ago, many times. I???ve also indicated that the word ???Invoice??? must be in what in other countries call ???Receipt??? otherwise EU people can???t include the IETF registration fee as and expense in the accounting. > > I hope you start doing it from now on. > > I???ve done it already. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Alexa Morris > Responder a: > Fecha: sbado, 9 de julio de 2016, 1:11 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Carlos M. Martinez" , Fred Baker , ???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????? > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice n 00004005 > > Jordi, > > First, I want to apologize. While our meeting registration form does have a field to collect VAT ID, the system was configured in such a way that the VAT field was hidden from view; it was therefore invisible to attendees registering for the meeting. > > We reenabled the field several hours ago. However, if you registered when the field was hidden and need to have a VAT invoice, you can enter your VAT ID via this form: https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf96/editvatid.py. Please note that you will need to have your registration numberer handy. > > VMC will reissue proper VAT invoices to anyone who completes that form. I apologize for the inconvenience. > > Regards, > Alexa > > > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:28 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > > Those invoices are wrong. I???ve indicated it many times. In the EU, a valid invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of the invoice. > > > > IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for persons is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are not correct, and can???t be considered by accounting. I know for experience. Auditors rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF invoices, receipts, etc., which don???t include my VAT number. AND you can???t ???write it??? yourself. It is considered an illegal modification of an invoice. > > > > Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not persons, unless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU for ???services???. It will then mean that you can also deduct the VAT of your hotel. If that???s the case, it should be the same. > > > > Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be checked at the EU web site VIES: > > http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ > > The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. > > > > I???m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted anyway, because it is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if that???s correct. > > > > > > Saludos, > > Jordi > > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Carlos M. Martinez" > > Responder a: > > Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 17:54 > > Para: ???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????? , "carlos@lacnic.net" > > CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" > > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany - Final VA T Invoice n 00004005 > > > > Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to follow ? > > > > I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may have. > > > > On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, ???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????? wrote: > >> If you are a person - no way. > >> > >> dol@ > >> > >>> 7 ???????? 2016 ??., ?? 18:46, Carlos M. Martinez ??????????????(??): > >>> > >>> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU > >>> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? > >>> > >>> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > >>>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do I need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? > >>>> > >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Fred Baker, > >>>>> > >>>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice n 00004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> VMC Accounting Department > >>>>> > >>>>> VMC > >>>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes > >>>>> 92700 Colombes - France > >>>>> info@vamaco.eu > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier lectronique a t vrifie par le logiciel antivirus Avast. > >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> 96attendees mailing list > >>>> 96attendees@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> 96attendees mailing list > >>> 96attendees@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > ---------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 > Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:54:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E914012D60E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ktvoJQ8ZOW1K for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sandvine.com (mail1.sandvine.com [64.7.137.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D5F612D5A4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLR-EXCHP-2.sandvine.com (192.168.196.172) by WTL-EXCHP-3.sandvine.com (192.168.196.177) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:54:01 -0400 Received: from WTL-EXCHP-2.sandvine.com ([fe80::68ac:f071:19ff:3455]) by blr-exchp-2.sandvine.com ([fe80::6c6d:7108:c63c:9055%14]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:54:00 -0400 From: Dave Dolson To: Yoav Nir , Ted Lemon Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? Thread-Index: AdHbkpLaIoAUTKSMT56FfTz58iBwDwAI2CSAAAAX/gAAALdJAAAHdLdw Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:54:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8504ebe8-729e-f28f-37d1-f61fcbe36dfe@nthpermutation.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.200.63] x-c2processedorg: b2f06e69-072f-40ee-90c5-80a34e700794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Michael StJohns Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:54:04 -0000 Yoav, Thank you for providing a place I can register (suchat.org) ! There is a secondary advantage that I will learn some Spanish to use it :-) I thought the client at conversejs.org looked promising, but when I selecte= d room name hallway@jabber.ietf.org, it said, "A new room has been created" That's not correct if a new room was created, is it? I don't think conversejs.org works properly. =09 I downloaded pidgin, and set my account to the suchat account, and now I ca= n enter hallway@jabber.ietf.org , and other users are there. -Dave -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav N= ir Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:14 PM To: Ted Lemon Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; Michael StJohns Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? > On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, the= re should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The "good luc= k" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in BA and was = unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. I tried six servers from that list that were totally non-functional. The se= venth one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW it was SUChat.org, and the cli= ent still seems to be working with that account. But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that list. Yoav _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:54:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4A512D61F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XtL2npNepjzz for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sandvine.com (mail1.sandvine.com [64.7.137.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC20212D60E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WTL-EXCHP-2.sandvine.com ([fe80::68ac:f071:19ff:3455]) by WTL-EXCHP-3.sandvine.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:54:16 -0400 From: Dave Dolson To: "ietf96@neu.land" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? Thread-Index: AdHbkpLaIoAUTKSMT56FfTz58iBwDwAJuNqAAAfuYKA= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:54:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1468257377.6936.37.camel@neu.land> In-Reply-To: <1468257377.6936.37.camel@neu.land> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.200.63] x-c2processedorg: b2f06e69-072f-40ee-90c5-80a34e700794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:54:19 -0000 Well, from Firefox: "register.jabber.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certifica= te expired on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:54 PM. The current time is Monda= y, July 11, 2016 1:28 PM." So I'm thinking this web site isn't maintained since 2013? I don't like to click through this. -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonas = Jared Jacek Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:16 PM To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? Hi Dave,=20 you can find a list of Jabber/XMPP clients here: http://xmpp.org/software/clients.html - They ask for your account credentials. I hear 'Pidgin' is the client of choice: http://pidgin.im/=20 Getting an account is easy. Sign up for an account with one of the many Jabber-Server providers. Try jabber.org for example http://www.jabber.org/faq.html#account or any other provider: https://www.google.com/#q=3Djabber+account+providers=20 Alternative: If you have administrative rights over a domain name, you can also set up an email address at that domain name for using jabber. E.g. xmpp@domain.tld You can get a hassle-free Jabber account for your email address here: https://hosted.im/ (that's what I did). I hope this helps.=20 Cheers, Jonas --=20 Jonas Jared Jacek http://jonas.me/ On Mo, 2016-07-11 at 16:37 +0000, Dave Dolson wrote: > Over the last couple of years I've tried to get Jabber working on a few o= ccasions, but couldn't figure it out with the (small) amount of effort I wa= s willing to invest. > (This is why I look at my feet when the chair asks for a jabber scribe.) >=20 > A few meetings ago I got a client, but couldn't figure out how to get an = XMPP account. >=20 > Can anyone provide a recipe for setting up Jabber to participate with IET= F? > IETF won't recommend a specific client, but I'm hoping individuals will. > Web-based clients seem like the way to go? >=20 > -Dave >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 11 10:58:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A09D12D0CD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HMpayAaJ3Ue6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-0018ba01.pphosted.com (mx0a-0018ba01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490D112D5C9 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0078666.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-0018ba01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.17/8.16.0.17) with SMTP id u6BHqoT7001625; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:58:27 -0400 Received: from stntexhc10.cis.neustar.com ([156.154.17.216]) by mx0a-0018ba01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 242wcq3vju-1 (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:58:27 -0400 Received: from STNTEXMB10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.5.94]) by stntexhc10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.4.225]) with mapi id 14.03.0279.002; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:58:26 -0400 From: "Rosen, Brian" To: Dave Dolson , "ietf96@neu.land" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? Thread-Index: AdHbkpLaIoAUTKSMT56FfTz58iBwDwAJuNqAAAfuYKD//4k8AA== Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:58:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1468257377.6936.37.camel@neu.land> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-originating-ip: [10.33.193.19] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <7CF459A2C5843C4DB76E5A3905C9628F@neustar.biz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2016-07-11_12:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:07:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail-15011C51-4876-4191-AC02-D60B52BB9202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Sorry but how can i unsubscribe from this mailing list?. My inbox is full an= d i cant keep track of the events important documents due to the chat board.= Apologies for any inconvenience this might cause Regards, Reem Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Dave Dolson > Date: July 11, 2016 at 8:54:00 PM GMT+3 > To: Yoav Nir , Ted Lemon > Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Michael StJohns > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? >=20 > Yoav, > Thank you for providing a place I can register (suchat.org) ! >=20 > There is a secondary advantage that I will learn some Spanish to use it :-= ) >=20 >=20 > I thought the client at conversejs.org looked promising, but when I select= ed room name hallway@jabber.ietf.org, it said, "A new room has been created"= > That's not correct if a new room was created, is it? > I don't think conversejs.org works properly. > =20 >=20 > I downloaded pidgin, and set my account to the suchat account, and now I c= an enter hallway@jabber.ietf.org , and other users are there. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -Dave >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav N= ir > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:14 PM > To: Ted Lemon > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; Michael StJohns > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? >=20 >=20 >> On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>=20 >> This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, the= re should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The "good luck= " jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in BA and was un= able to participate on jabber during that IETF. >=20 > I tried six servers from that list that were totally non-functional. The s= eventh one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW it was SUChat.org, and the cli= ent still seems to be working with that account. >=20 > But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that list. >=20 > Yoav > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail-15011C51-4876-4191-AC02-D60B52BB9202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
Sorry but how can i unsubscribe from this mailing list?. My inbox is= full and i cant keep track of the events important documents due to the cha= t board.

Apologies for any inconvenience this might cause
Regards,
Reem

= Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: Dave Dolson <ddolson@sandvine.com>
Date: July 11, 20= 16 at 8:54:00 PM GMT+3
To: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>
Subject:<= /b> Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber?

Yoav,
Thank you for= providing a place I can register (suchat.org<= /a>) !

There is a secondary advantage that I= will learn some Spanish to use it :-)


I thought the client at conve= rsejs.org looked promising, but when I selected room name hallway@jabber.ietf.org, it said, "A new ro= om has been created"
That's not correct if a new room was cr= eated, is it?
I don't think conversejs.org works properly.
   
I downloaded pidgin, and set my account to the such= at account, and now I can enter h= allway@jabber.ietf.org , and other users are there.



-Dave
=

-----Original Message-----
From: 9= 6attendees [mailto:96attende= es-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir
Sent: Monday,= July 11, 2016 1:14 PM
To: Ted Lemon
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; Michael StJohn= s
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber?=


On 11 J= ul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon <mello= n@fugue.com> wrote:
=
This is really= hopeless.   If we are to use jabber for IETF business, there shou= ld be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF.   The "good l= uck" jabber server web page is not helpful.   I tried using it in B= A and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF.

I tried six servers from that list that were t= otally non-functional. The seventh one I tried worked like a charm.  FW= IW it was SUChat.org, and the client still= seems to be working with that account.

But= it would be great if we had something more reliable than that list.<= br>
Yoav
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= --Apple-Mail-15011C51-4876-4191-AC02-D60B52BB9202-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 11:09:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C48612D5E7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UgVXtrWGjAZ9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de [80.237.132.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0D5E12D5C9 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x2f02ef8.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.240.46.248] helo=host); authenticated by wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1bMfeR-00064u-5o; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:09:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1468260590.6936.42.camel@neu.land> From: Jonas Jared Jacek To: Dave Dolson Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:09:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <1468257377.6936.37.camel@neu.land> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.9-1+b1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf96@neu.land;1468260592;6e4b74df; Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf96@neu.land List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:09:55 -0000 Hi Dave, here is a simple how-to for Pidgin with DuckDuckgo's Jabber Server: https://duck.co/blog/post/2/using-pidgin-with-xmpp-jabber You can even get the account from within Pidgin. Jonas -- Jonas Jared Jacek http://jonas.me/ On Mo, 2016-07-11 at 17:54 +0000, Dave Dolson wrote: > Well, from Firefox: > > "register.jabber.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:54 PM. The current time is Monday, July 11, 2016 1:28 PM." > > > So I'm thinking this web site isn't maintained since 2013? > I don't like to click through this. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonas Jared Jacek > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:16 PM > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? > > Hi Dave, > > you can find a list of Jabber/XMPP clients here: > http://xmpp.org/software/clients.html - They ask for your account > credentials. I hear 'Pidgin' is the client of choice: http://pidgin.im/ > > Getting an account is easy. Sign up for an account with one of the many > Jabber-Server providers. Try jabber.org for example > http://www.jabber.org/faq.html#account or any other provider: > https://www.google.com/#q=jabber+account+providers > > Alternative: > If you have administrative rights over a domain name, you can also set > up an email address at that domain name for using jabber. E.g. > xmpp@domain.tld You can get a hassle-free Jabber account for your email > address here: https://hosted.im/ (that's what I did). > > > I hope this helps. > Cheers, Jonas From nobody Mon Jul 11 11:16:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB5112D624 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:16:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AUGWTC5nmLW2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1379A12B038 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.32.60.145] (142-254-101-201.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.201]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u6BIGrKG038098 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 142-254-101-201.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [142.254.101.201] claimed to be [10.32.60.145] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:16:53 -0700 Message-ID: <8D16645E-BEB6-4F7A-BD4D-332F2986616E@vpnc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] On minutes and Etherpad X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:16:56 -0000 If you want to take minutes for a WG meeting on Etherpad, go to tools.ietf.org, select the WG name from the left column, in that page select "Minutes", and in that page select "etherpad-96". I'm giving these as instructions, not as a suggestion to use Etherpad for the minutes. It's up to you (the volunteer!) and the WG chairs if they want to use Etherpad for the minute taking. --Paul Hoffman From nobody Mon Jul 11 11:19:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF6612D624 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:19:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z8RITXQpN5K2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com (mail-lf0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC9C012B038 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id f6so79626125lfg.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:18:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iNGXmj5VBPx14zHkpanpjoNClT+MlKeIwMs2jXcYhXo=; b=p7XBfTPA5/ywL4+rz/7YSJR27YWfOY93h6wXXudMrpKonT6i30WNwNztjiM8YDoUz2 vIlEBJnOnaRYhAnHJGqGp4v+udUWhzPD7+ODgFPNlVqf9fxWtvMyT9xU2Hd/Cg0TFCPX HxGl6A4PZ9yrWE+47BoGH9/1sdi4DckeQrZwo1ooqH5IIS2bxHUlcrolpj6fb7FR9A1B 8476yt6QHSJh7zBOOA7nLPNbYPX9WrrAXO7BG4cOPcBeauIrCXpqPKvzBUNahtZOpVAP 42vDuet79a1FMCstwarw/1uuLmA7ClT+kzAPPlyWcg7XXgkZPGUfPnLXuNt1iCjsk5bO V3+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iNGXmj5VBPx14zHkpanpjoNClT+MlKeIwMs2jXcYhXo=; b=EzC9L/F7Cc6R/Kys6yDxAD7zOKTVh8VE87chdaAzLMl0I4dUkzal9wl2R+LkafIwYg S5Bnu0EkdCKjgxaRRuxk3SpcmnNpGriKhRkU9rt6tjH0Ef0tixG6HvtJctW4yFsLPBaM XPfJd1Njd9HD1JwQyR1JqqDvBDYmluhJTYyUu6feKDIrV27+/KyfZpCghFtfYgdu+rXK VfWkCJFSNRV/xFzbc90k8JZkyY/VMwNrL4MIgy0L6eqi+EgVrzXRogY6JcqkTCaA6lJW OCLSQpGVKLGTs3t+nWCIckl6YcuCAG+iz/UzyRvvNPt+0cEOG/tWBzBxUby5TKyzbCBr m9jA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLwglRyieAE7jRpCV407+S/YrxCtLvKkOiM4H2kw2jXF1oVE1afbLiMLRkB5nadOyfYTONOByXN+EOY9w== X-Received: by 10.25.26.194 with SMTP id a185mr171720lfa.167.1468261138037; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.217.219 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ted Lemon Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: Reem Albuainain Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11403bd8920a820537602f7a Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Fwd: Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:19:03 -0000 --001a11403bd8920a820537602f7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As an alternative, consider using the gmail feature to "mute" threads that you aren't interested in, if you think the list in general is useful. Sorry about the noise, but it's typical for the attendees list. The unsubscribe link is at the bottom (the listinfo link). On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Reem Albuainain wrote: > Hi there, > Sorry but how can i unsubscribe from this mailing list?. My inbox is full > and i cant keep track of the events important documents due to the chat > board. > > Apologies for any inconvenience this might cause > Regards, > Reem > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Dave Dolson > *Date:* July 11, 2016 at 8:54:00 PM GMT+3 > *To:* Yoav Nir , Ted Lemon > *Cc:* "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Michael StJohns < > msj@nthpermutation.com> > > *Subject:* *Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber?* > > Yoav, > Thank you for providing a place I can register (suchat.org) ! > > There is a secondary advantage that I will learn some Spanish to use it :-) > > > I thought the client at conversejs.org looked promising, but when I > selected room name hallway@jabber.ietf.org, it said, "A new room has been > created" > That's not correct if a new room was created, is it? > I don't think conversejs.org works properly. > > > I downloaded pidgin, and set my account to the suchat account, and now I > can enter hallway@jabber.ietf.org , and other users are there. > > > > -Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org > <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Yoav Nir > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:14 PM > To: Ted Lemon > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; Michael StJohns > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? > > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > > > This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF business, > there should be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. The "good > luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. I tried using it in BA and > was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF. > > > I tried six servers from that list that were totally non-functional. The > seventh one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW it was SUChat.org > , and the client still seems to be working with that > account. > > But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that list. > > Yoav > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a11403bd8920a820537602f7a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As an alternative, consider using the gmail feature to &qu= ot;mute" threads that you aren't interested in, if you think the l= ist in general is useful. =C2=A0 Sorry about the noise, but it's typica= l for the attendees list. =C2=A0 The unsubscribe link is at the bottom (the= listinfo link).

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Reem Albuainain &l= t;ralbuainain@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Hi there,
Sorry but how can i unsubscribe from this m= ailing list?. My inbox is full and i cant keep track of the events importan= t documents due to the chat board.

Apologies for a= ny inconvenience this might cause
Regards,
Reem

= Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: Dave Dolson <ddolson@sandvine.com>
= Date: July 11, 2016 at 8:54:00 PM GMT+3
To: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>, Ted Lemon <= mellon@fugue.com>
Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>,= Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>

Subject:<= /b> Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber?

Yoav,
Thank you for providing a place I can register (suchat.org) !

There is a secondary advantage that I will learn some = Spanish to use it :-)


I t= hought the client at co= nversejs.org looked promising, but when I selected room name hallway@jabber.ietf.org<= /a>, it said, "A new room has been created"
That&= #39;s not correct if a new room was created, is it?
I don&#= 39;t think conversejs.o= rg works properly.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0

I downloaded pidgin, and set my account to the suchat account, = and now I can enter hallway@jabber.ietf.org , and other users are there.



-Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav Ni= r
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:14 PM
To: T= ed Lemon
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; Michael StJohns
Subje= ct: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber?

<= span>
On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM,= Ted Lemon <mellon= @fugue.com> wrote:
=
This is reall= y hopeless. =C2=A0=C2=A0If we are to use jabber for IETF business, there sh= ould be a jabber server that is supported by the IETF. =C2=A0=C2=A0The &quo= t;good luck" jabber server web page is not helpful. =C2=A0=C2=A0I trie= d using it in BA and was unable to participate on jabber during that IETF.<= /span>

I tried six servers from that= list that were totally non-functional. The seventh one I tried worked like= a charm.=C2=A0 FWIW it was SUChat.org, and the client still seems to be working with that account= .

But it would be great if we had somethin= g more reliable than that list.

Yoav
_______________________________________________
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96attendees@ietf.org
https= ://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees
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Martinez" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:23:02 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Fwd: Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:23:22 -0000 Or set up a GMail filter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APky7ocQlrY On 7/11/16 3:18 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > As an alternative, consider using the gmail feature to "mute" threads > that you aren't interested in, if you think the list in general is > useful. Sorry about the noise, but it's typical for the attendees > list. The unsubscribe link is at the bottom (the listinfo link). > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Reem Albuainain > wrote: > > Hi there, > Sorry but how can i unsubscribe from this mailing list?. My inbox is > full and i cant keep track of the events important documents due to > the chat board. > > Apologies for any inconvenience this might cause > Regards, > Reem > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:* Dave Dolson > > >> *Date:* July 11, 2016 at 8:54:00 PM GMT+3 >> *To:* Yoav Nir >, >> Ted Lemon > >> *Cc:* "96attendees@ietf.org " >> <96attendees@ietf.org >, Michael >> StJohns > >> >> *Subject:* *Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber?* >> >> Yoav, >> Thank you for providing a place I can register (suchat.org >> ) ! >> >> There is a secondary advantage that I will learn some Spanish to >> use it :-) >> >> >> I thought the client at conversejs.org >> looked promising, but when I selected room name >> hallway@jabber.ietf.org , it said, >> "A new room has been created" >> That's not correct if a new room was created, is it? >> I don't think conversejs.org works properly. >> >> >> I downloaded pidgin, and set my account to the suchat account, and >> now I can enter hallway@jabber.ietf.org >> , and other users are there. >> >> >> >> -Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Yoav Nir >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:14 PM >> To: Ted Lemon >> Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org ; Michael >> StJohns >> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? >> >> >>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon >> > wrote: >>> >>> This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF >>> business, there should be a jabber server that is supported by >>> the IETF. The "good luck" jabber server web page is not >>> helpful. I tried using it in BA and was unable to participate >>> on jabber during that IETF. >> >> I tried six servers from that list that were totally >> non-functional. The seventh one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW >> it was SUChat.org , and the client still seems >> to be working with that account. >> >> But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that >> list. >> >> Yoav >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Mon Jul 11 11:40:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBD012D61A for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:40:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nF3jRz3e4yz6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EBE412B04E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.18] (h87-96-134-129.cust.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDEA0428A; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:40:05 +0200 (CEST) From: "Olle E. Johansson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:40:06 +0200 Message-Id: To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Olle E Johansson Subject: [96attendees] Jabber scribe how-to X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:40:12 -0000 Hi! For those of you who want to help, why not help out the ones doing = remote participation by acting as a Jabber scribe or helping the scribes? RFC 7649 contains very helpful instructions - it=E2=80=99s a good idea = for everyone in the room to read and understand this document.=20 If a Jabber scribe asks you to repeat your name, to mention slide = numbers or anything else=20 - please understand that he/she is trying to help a group of people = participating from other=20 parts of the world. He/she is not just trying to annoy you for the fun = of it.=20 I think remote participation is important, having participated that way = many times. Jabber scribes are essential to make it work, especially if english is not your = first language. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7649 Regards, /Olle From nobody Mon Jul 11 11:51:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700B012D675 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1_Qd720IMhrW for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E540A12D66B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5AB200A7; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A76638BE; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Christer Holmberg In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> , <17313.1468255348@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4768CB74@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:51:09 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christer Holmberg wrote: > Yes, you can buy a ticket in advance AFAIK. Because, you don't valida= te > (time stamp) the ticket until you enter the buss. Right, for a paper ticket sure. How does the app validate the ticket? I have the app... I just haven't figured out how to type the B-thing on my keyboard as my destination is Keithstra=C3=9Fe 41 ... so that I can test i= f I can buy my ticket in advance. Hmm. Actually, I got past that. I just don't kn= ow how to tell it my origin is the airport. ("Airport" and "TXL" didn't work. I'll try Flughafen now...) Yes. There is a "make available offline" button too, btw. 2.7EU fare. I don't think you can pre-pay the ticket on mobile, but you can pay with CC. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV4PqloCLcPvd0N1lAQIq0AgAurx8euQ+aLiyWNblgI8SBJgX8sUA1lSH n9UD1LLtPupU8X7Cmx5FZREKNsPzakXkws8a9q2kBJ4C/EPzJU8qH4sKorIl6w63 X0TFTUVrjsbJVAXaAtFoqWo9rk6aOquoWFTYa4k8TXXcQTuV/jTQdMLsWUKii4lY Mi1yvmj3Y9B8h/jWZKKtXstZwFrXXb99FARr2mLInzljB3ljwrqgwAwyae3IepBd HHzJ9ZvCRTHAIs420cADrnGjOV2m8PE5l9Nl/IVw7RZTWvFyquGLQIyOb2SK0S2a ydz7yroxntmwbrK6SuRLpQclTBHQPUA1MTtbEjzHJE/Vt9+SlbxsSQ== =/S7m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Jul 11 11:51:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6D212D67B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t2GyW7emt0sn for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9941C12D67A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id f126so101790589wma.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=cjKbCfesekoV6rYrv3qvrM6CQ0NuipM432vaUdUflB0=; b=TeExUBsCY6T7PpR318aTtwrUiLlaZT+Pq7XJZKW3IijFvdOXO2aj8nD6ElW+w8PMrY Z+jUjDm04VtomDnMDHWqj30rYKBsfi7VWGYIOgPT0E3IrAxVe93xaos/eQ96XCVA7LEU 3OkqK7xteZkNiKXvZnT3U8R4AuJcZ4aQjxdhmROv/AaXg+ZGn/Ue+LtWgPg9jBNfSiwh /+t6tj5mMm0xGHotg9beTj1XPBFSHz5ZBDtUEdJUrXWRiZfAr1ZaCqbjK1Dk2+8P4PLl N+qLKOLYs7KFiIhxJELWZnnXiCf/NWXvHaqdlsVf8iEAXuijEECTlek9ik0TAsED0SNm xJKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=cjKbCfesekoV6rYrv3qvrM6CQ0NuipM432vaUdUflB0=; b=C56NbOUl60TU+xzB1MAqunecjgQo3RlWP2fayL2/sFZKmcT+zXZCIaFXoYen+xA0Fx ZC9lj1QU6/2prumVaoB91V7dW9c5e60/oOTIg1N0om+UnulBBauyvhpjcfPQzSZANBmB rdXE2Pdnk2xxxi5VTUWK6WGhWzLpGncvDcUlmUV3fJrOOq/AYllCzzpCzi31jixC5qXk TSFKhlHQLHL4/qEik3O81MF6u8pxbqnJ1lS00AVORJSZEYDrOQ3QTKgEJHwqH/O+LI6i L8XO1MqlknO9oLLNHkyHp22DG35dXesufY+jsTtAP0JutVhRWnMYwEn4BT3/gbCKxVDE RWyA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIhnIjFelulCegzDSRkfC5d9SbHtayPjyyp9DdXHbXsWHTXpBTE8uUSMYjgCBKNLw== X-Received: by 10.28.50.131 with SMTP id y125mr22527261wmy.94.1468263072174; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.15.214] ([95.84.64.191]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id vf5sm1160079wjb.36.2016.07.11.11.51.10 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Reem Albuainain X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:51:07 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0BB2B1FF-236B-470C-86E2-321E1FE1B56E@gmail.com> References: To: carlos@lacnic.net Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [96attendees] Fwd: Recipe to set up Jabber? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:51:20 -0000 Thank you all for your useful responses Very much appreciated Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Carlos M. Martinez wr= ote: >=20 > Or set up a GMail filter: >=20 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAPky7ocQlrY >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 7/11/16 3:18 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >> As an alternative, consider using the gmail feature to "mute" threads >> that you aren't interested in, if you think the list in general is >> useful. Sorry about the noise, but it's typical for the attendees >> list. The unsubscribe link is at the bottom (the listinfo link). >>=20 >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Reem Albuainain > > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi there, >> Sorry but how can i unsubscribe from this mailing list?. My inbox is >> full and i cant keep track of the events important documents due to >> the chat board. >>=20 >> Apologies for any inconvenience this might cause >> Regards, >> Reem >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >>> *From:* Dave Dolson >> > >>> *Date:* July 11, 2016 at 8:54:00 PM GMT+3 >>> *To:* Yoav Nir >, >>> Ted Lemon > >>> *Cc:* "96attendees@ietf.org " >>> <96attendees@ietf.org >, Michael >>> StJohns > >>>=20 >>> *Subject:* *Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber?* >>>=20 >>> Yoav, >>> Thank you for providing a place I can register (suchat.org >>> ) ! >>>=20 >>> There is a secondary advantage that I will learn some Spanish to >>> use it :-) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I thought the client at conversejs.org >>> looked promising, but when I selected room name >>> hallway@jabber.ietf.org , it said, >>> "A new room has been created" >>> That's not correct if a new room was created, is it? >>> I don't think conversejs.org works properly. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I downloaded pidgin, and set my account to the suchat account, and >>> now I can enter hallway@jabber.ietf.org >>> , and other users are there. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -Dave >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >>> Of Yoav Nir >>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:14 PM >>> To: Ted Lemon >>> Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org ; Michael >>> StJohns >>> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Recipe to set up Jabber? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ted Lemon >>> > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> This is really hopeless. If we are to use jabber for IETF >>>> business, there should be a jabber server that is supported by >>>> the IETF. The "good luck" jabber server web page is not >>>> helpful. I tried using it in BA and was unable to participate >>>> on jabber during that IETF. >>>=20 >>> I tried six servers from that list that were totally >>> non-functional. The seventh one I tried worked like a charm. FWIW >>> it was SUChat.org , and the client still seems >>> to be working with that account. >>>=20 >>> But it would be great if we had something more reliable than that >>> list. >>>=20 >>> Yoav >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 From nobody Mon Jul 11 11:59:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67A612D695 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Send plain text! X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:02:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <11841.1468263065@obiwan.sandelman.ca> (Michael Richardson's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:05 -0400") Message-ID: <87lh18uhey.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:02:51 -0000 Michael Richardson writes: > How does the app validate the ticket? I guess it's valid starting with the time you buy it. > I have the app... I just haven't figured out how to type the B-thing on my > keyboard as my destination is Keithstra=C3=9Fe 41=20 shorten "stra=C3=9Fe" to "str" or use "ss" instead of "=C3=9F" (it's a spec= ial form of s in German). For =C3=A4, =C3=B6, =C3=BC you can use ae, oe, ue. 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On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Jens Link wrote: > Michael Richardson writes: > > > How does the app validate the ticket? > > I guess it's valid starting with the time you buy it. > > > I have the app... I just haven't figured out how to type the B-thing on > my > > keyboard as my destination is Keithstra=C3=9Fe 41 > > shorten "stra=C3=9Fe" to "str" or use "ss" instead of "=C3=9F" (it's a sp= ecial > form of s in German). For =C3=A4, =C3=B6, =C3=BC you can use ae, oe, ue. > > Jens > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-1872126= 4 > | > | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink@quux.de | > --------------- | > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114020408e75f00537613422 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Android, and possibly also iOS, hold down the unmodded = letter of the same name ('s' for '=C3=9F') and when the men= u appears, slide to the letter you want.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Jens Link <j= enslink@quux.de> wrote:
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> writes:

> How does the app validate the ticket?

I guess it's valid starting with the time you buy it.

> I have the app... I just haven't figured out how to type the B-thi= ng on my
> keyboard as my destination is Keithstra=C3=9Fe 41

shorten "stra=C3=9Fe" to "str" or use "ss&q= uot; instead of "=C3=9F" (it's a special
form of s in German). For =C3=A4, =C3=B6, =C3=BC you can use ae, oe, ue.
Jens
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Soon we'll have badge reader attached to the mic stands. >it doesn't help the other individuals in the room who may want to find the speaker at a later time. Unless they are looking at the etherpad and see the right name pop up. Thanks, Phil From nobody Mon Jul 11 13:20:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FE312D0E0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8kUH9Hkqi6Ol for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB2E812D0C7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id s66so164470637oif.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CjXsS70KVoovjzXeUmQekOXmKfFCii5uOs8nWSFC7Ew=; b=BJQgeGpRmS49L2qYiiGJZ0FrGSafwKxVUjwgMQVgi9aeiesitGXygfFVDT5Bo7Ob70 iu2OTyqYmNffJS3kQoACiGLfOVz5Tux4V+De2yq6R2Ogd7/tJiqWnEyGgO4E633w00f2 JjW5OSxTrQQS/aFDet3JmmDHe3oX1vBUHGmipOhX9M/TO9Lxc7MOUX4njBfaEhqqYXJ1 cexMGXhhv19ZPImPKCACmek+b4AKlpLPpXI8cjmjTO28T2uSK0qcxoMVISxVNdJ2nNgl k6iub326XCbU8G3/nEeOf/lMWXYoMQ20s/38TFKr86IQ9vCHdwj2OpADIx7vQO8dyiei Ag7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CjXsS70KVoovjzXeUmQekOXmKfFCii5uOs8nWSFC7Ew=; b=LM8+TjbhQ1F3VErqbTHU3MO+xjhqwoqLWiBClNex2jECvhM6dgyFktkVPKoEHkbocf /U/JcsR+OprgLGyj099nBtlKIVwZsZdUDHkII/fVlUDtTLvu9kHWJ+mAcapyWO2kZEvd CnY11VPePOchkd8pXq7ZU0MSgilOq6Rl9KB4NibIvHi7XWBUi1G+lrWObmHEONm/Dkiy idJGQyvTAGoGNHBVcxbMpm25aqkg718IJjvQuytqvMW3qTS1/2MrLFBVZYPakzO6vVYV /CryLJvRi/LZLk4CHOJPCzh9PQUdFVp+Ow9PIK7Z3oQxBuKKoSYJSLcCLA2JeTIOlCOH HB0g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJNnWYrSEQvxl/WshuhJlqJEv3Up1YLCVazr+ytVIBULqAZVdRRPa1HZaifYgfoHBYmW5fRiQ/qOSlW0Q== X-Received: by 10.157.38.242 with SMTP id i47mr7088556otd.123.1468268411128; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.68.231 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:19:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4767F1EC@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <00e901d1db4e$0e5db7d0$2b192770$@travelping.com> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Nicolai Leymann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113c68681498ce053761e196 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, k.pentikousis@travelping.com, Christer Holmberg Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:20:13 -0000 --001a113c68681498ce053761e196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nic, I just tried registering an account for the VBB app and it only allows European addresses, unfortunately. Cheers, Andy On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:56 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > or you use the VBB app to purchase your ticket: > > http://www.vbb.de/de/article/fahrplan/handy-apps/vbb-app/1569.html > > regards > > Nic > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von > Kostas Pentikousis > Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 10:28 > An: 'Christer Holmberg'; 96attendees@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport > > |If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to > the > |city, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do > not > |seem to accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum > |value accepted (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get > |from the airport ATMs...). > | > > You can buy tickets at the BVG office at Tegel airport. They accept major > credit cards last time I checked. > > It's located at the Terminal A exit (next to Terminal B), just before the > bus stops. See also: http://www.bvg.de/de/standortplan/9087171 > > Best regards, > > Kostas > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a113c68681498ce053761e196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nic,

I just tried registering an accoun= t for the VBB app and it only allows European addresses, unfortunately.

Cheers,
Andy

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:56 AM, <N.Leymann@telekom.de> wrote:
Hi,

or you use the VBB app to purchase your ticket:

http://www.vbb.de/de/article/fahrp= lan/handy-apps/vbb-app/1569.html

regards

Nic

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: 96attendees [mailto:96= attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Kostas Pentikousis
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juli 2016 10:28
An: 'Christer Holmberg'; 96= attendees@ietf.org
Betreff: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport

|If you're taking the bus (X9 or the slower 109) from the airport to the
|city, note that the yellow ticket machines outside the terminal do
not
|seem to accept credit cards, and 10 EUR bills seems to be the maximum
|value accepted (while 20 EUR bills seems to be the minimum you'll get<= br> |from the airport ATMs...).
|

You can buy tickets at the BVG office at Tegel airport. They accept major c= redit cards last time I checked.

It's located at the Terminal A exit (next to Terminal B), just before t= he bus stops. See also: http://www.bvg.de/de/standortplan/9= 087171

Best regards,

Kostas


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Finlayson In-Reply-To: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:34:15 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:34:19 -0000 Requiring =E2=80=98minutes=E2=80=99 of meetings seems like a weird = legacy of the 20th Century. Given that they involve a non-trivial amount of work, plus the fact that = writing them requires a skill (being able to make good quality notes = concurrently with listening to/comprehending the meeting) that many = people (including I) do not have, I think we should question whether we = need them at all. Ross. 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Martinez" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:43:51 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:43:58 -0000 I think we over use the term minutes. We need -and actually is what we end up doing- 'rich meeting notes' than minutes. Meeting minutes (at least where I come from, there may be cultural differences at play here) involve a lot more work including post-meeting processing and editing and include stakeholder approval before actually being released. That said, I think you may have a point in one thing: it may be worth trying something more 21st century, like voice recongnition software, in the likes of what Google uses to close caption some videos. Yes, the results will be funny, but probably will be useful for wg chairs, a good companion and helpful aid to actually evaluate the minutes produced by the volunteers. -Carlos On 7/11/16 6:34 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > Requiring ‘minutes’ of meetings seems like a weird legacy of the 20th Century. > > Given that they involve a non-trivial amount of work, plus the fact that writing them requires a skill (being able to make good quality notes concurrently with listening to/comprehending the meeting) that many people (including I) do not have, I think we should question whether we need them at all. > > Ross. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Mon Jul 11 14:45:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A03F12D0B7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XtIn_TewWSog for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F03BD12D0CC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6BLjOmw064297 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:45:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.4] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Ross Finlayson" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:45:23 -0500 Message-ID: <6693D534-923B-4690-920F-5557F2D47215@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:45:38 -0000 (as individual) In my opinion, we really need the minutes. They provide the documentation behind any decisions or other progress made in the meetings. I don't know how many times I've seen post-meeting discussions end up with people checking minutes because no one quite remembers what was decided (Or they don't remember the same thing.) They are also critical to people who are unable to attend the meeting. The recordings are too cumbersome for this purpose, and will continue to be so until such time we can search the contents. Ben. On 11 Jul 2016, at 16:34, Ross Finlayson wrote: > Requiring ‘minutes’ of meetings seems like a weird legacy of the > 20th Century. > > Given that they involve a non-trivial amount of work, plus the fact > that writing them requires a skill (being able to make good quality > notes concurrently with listening to/comprehending the meeting) that > many people (including I) do not have, I think we should question > whether we need them at all. > > Ross. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 11 14:51:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C1712D19E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=nomountain-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCQl8QH07zKB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com (mail-pa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C58A512B03B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-x235.google.com with SMTP id fi15so25282317pac.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomountain-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=74E5SkLknCJNRTIHKhg3qciNZD75Pl1cmFsoUJyZERc=; b=r2P678NZPPWBeGUdz84dRMgDzYsJbh1KMT8H2iKv5GjLi9LGBieBO1m++tIpQNAJpP KI2O+asoGUBy/mRK8GbzEO8rRLnlOiCFBiC2DUYevwQ48mqk6xqA/qQQOqfEZ+KhwLR1 m6QJwdbI6op4mhB2LoSzQTS7NI9wjLpHZT45ujEkWedbdW7MfuYmMn+e7OuOBarTHua9 2nhgBIFBFH+CaQ6nfDs3nKctHLPH37pjMC9I1QsJNuVekBkcmPqe6rLJLog8kuKru3Z7 ouJSEmn6wJt7AZmRgEw0kceqq7Tmqd0GZoUypZkNL2s/SPcgDIpMh/Ei2zp6HvG20wtk 388w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=74E5SkLknCJNRTIHKhg3qciNZD75Pl1cmFsoUJyZERc=; b=bBug+qM9kVqr8G6muzokv+mjb8TENwEp8ff97MHcT9UDoY8EUCXfAuIKVOM3iePXcd wTfF0eR90gbzfOoMf5RnoMK2X+RI2lFxJRs52B7eoWB2zRpfB+2pxeQUaYt1Y8m0fP6u mTpqDjisSTC/XY93Wxq2OeIgGzmFwfCQndCkmjujx8yNsoPH2Q0hOKGIfjuLFjek7pfU kRngNzue0Q0l38eCFP8M0v4knCtDtBK8dPWQSrhlBGLR/eetz1wXgo10988SGyr2qLLc iUa6zsAqIgHXQjnv2KOErZmfO9YIXKTN2Un7d0rfVrLG/Cy5T7lkh/Nose8oMH3LgeRc z5sw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJ/YHvT6CM8HPzi7caw6WSS/Ed+VJDbXj7LVwKhJCm72K0l4hedL4AeaJ0bcGk+HQ== X-Received: by 10.67.3.105 with SMTP id bv9mr39175670pad.29.1468273902014; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Melindas-MacBook-Pro.local (216-67-57-103-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net. [216.67.57.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v126sm6426089pfb.60.2016.07.11.14.51.41 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:51:41 -0700 (PDT) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 13:51:38 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:51:46 -0000 On 7/11/16 1:34 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > Requiring ‘minutes’ of meetings seems like a weird legacy of the 20th > Century. > > Given that they involve a non-trivial amount of work, plus the fact > that writing them requires a skill (being able to make good quality > notes concurrently with listening to/comprehending the meeting) that > many people (including I) do not have, I think we should question > whether we need them at all. Possibly, but I do use them as a chair and think they have value for people who do not attend the meeting, but either way that's another discussion (and one that should be taken to the IETF discussion list rather than the IETF 96 attendees list). Given that minutes are required as part of our process (see the last paragraph of section 3.1 in rfc 2418), we need volunteers to take them, and it should be widely appreciated that the people who do volunteer are making an important contribution to the work of the IETF. Melinda From nobody Mon Jul 11 15:08:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3FF12D541 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9B6KBBwf1DET for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 946DA12B03B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:08:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3139; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468274895; x=1469484495; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=2PhlzoGk1NStbGAq7KG8EZ3BsuKIXUlHVeh2mlA3T/8=; b=F3sPNVKgcRq4SsAcF4BO+vOgKs/V8Gzu4WXSUiVN56vtnrEReugwRXNb NKL3dGnUndipJPWyNJ3b+aA4EPGyV/gH4GqupgKQGkTWjJRocMC8LWpz+ G98Lm52B1Bxt4vhPFX1l4xVMOvkpnDOdOwSSaJliI2THfluatDSNj5qkO Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BeAgBtF4RX/4kNJK1cgz5WfKxwjBaBe?= =?us-ascii?q?iKFLEoCgSw4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RdAQUBATg0CwULCxgJDQEXDwUNBjYTiBYDFw6?= =?us-ascii?q?7FA2DfgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcFinSBOQGBCYFQEQFkAYUSBY4Gd?= =?us-ascii?q?IlqNItrUYIMCoFqhFiIaogbh3QeNoIJDQ+BbBwyh30NF4EeAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,348,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="124811765" Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Jul 2016 22:08:14 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6BM8Ef3014156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:08:14 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6BM8D2P024326; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:08:13 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6BM8DL1024325; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:08:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:08:13 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Warren Kumari Message-ID: <20160711220813.GY7377@cisco.com> References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> <975779E1-2BE9-4903-98A9-467758F754D6@att.com> <22403.50279.395768.431887@tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: David C Lawrence , Diego Dujovne , TONY L HANSEN , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:08:17 -0000 I know how miserable i feel as a note taker when i can't figure out names of people mumbling on the mike. So, as a WG chair i'll sugest next week that before you go to the mike for the first time, please go by the notes taker and show her/him your badge. Reading it off the badge IMHO is a lot easier than hearing (and then writing) a name. I do love the QR code idea though: Find a cheap android phone with front camera and WiFi, build IETF QR app: scans for QR code, then sends name to Jabber channel, maybe speaks it out (or via room system). Screen could also indicate when line is open/closed, how long someone speaks, etc.pp NFC would be nice, but printing QR code on attendee tags should be free and NFC phones are still a lot more expensive if i'm not wrong. Cheers Toerless On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 01:46:51PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Monday, July 11, 2016, Diego Dujovne wrote: > > > Another option could be to ask the participants > > to login into jabber before going to the Mic, > > so it would be faster to scan the list of > > attendees for the name. > > > > I try hard not to open my laptop in sessions which I care about -- it's > much too easy to just glance at email during a poor presentation, and then, > suddenly everyone gets up and wanders out, and you realize you've just > missed the whole session. > > > Yup, the RFID were, iirc, on the mic stands, and worked really well. > > > W > > > > The blue sheets are not always available on time > > to do the same job during the session. > > Regards, > > > > Diego > > > > PS: I understand not everybody is familiar > > with jabber, too. > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:08 PM, David C Lawrence > > wrote: > > > >> TONY L HANSEN writes: > >> > Note: QR codes are cheaper to print and deploy than RFID. > >> > >> Totally true, but QR is a bit harder to integrate automatically for > >> the context we're discussing. With RFID a sensor on the mic stand > >> could much more easily pick up the speaker's name for insertion into > >> Jabber, or to display on the front screen, or even just show a little > >> readout for the minutes taker. QR could do the same, but the capture > >> part is a lot more dependent on positioning. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > >> > > > > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in > the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Mon Jul 11 16:29:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5656312D1A1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:29:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D_mXVxX4hfzz for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A0F12B02A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15945 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2016 23:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2016 23:29:42 -0000 Date: 11 Jul 2016 23:29:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20160711232920.29237.qmail@ary.lan> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: agmalis@gmail.com Subject: Re: [96attendees] Paying for the bus from the airport X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:29:46 -0000 >I just tried registering an account for the VBB app and it only allows >European addresses, unfortunately. It doesn't really care. I said I lived in France, since French postal codes are five digits like US zip codes, used my US zip code and my US address with the state and country after the city. Worked fine. For payments, it wants an IBAN or a credit card. For some reason it didn't like my French IBAN or French Visa debit, but it thought my US Master Card was just dandy. On the other hand, it's probably a lot easier just to buy your ticket for cash or plastic at the VBB desk at the airport. You can get a single ticket for E2.70, four singles for E9, or a weekly for E30. R's, John From teddy@tower.recompile.se Mon Jul 11 18:04:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA7912D661 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 442Y_0KuYHb5 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.recompile.se (tower.recompile.se [IPv6:2001:470:1f15:1a45::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C9FC12B01D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.recompile.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2000836033B; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 03:04:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tower.recompile.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 000AA36013C; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 03:04:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Teddy Hogeborn To: 96attendees@ietf.org Organization: Recompile Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 03:04:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87zipn8y64.fsf@tower.recompile.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Cc: ondrej@sury.org Subject: [96attendees] No PGP Key Signing session at IETF 96? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Teddy Hogeborn List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:09:40 -0000 I am very surprised to NOT see a PGP signing session on the agenda for IETF 96. Is there an unofficial one planned outside the agenda? (It looks like the PGP key signing events were traditionally held on the wednesday afternoon snack break, but I see nothing on the agenda.) /Teddy Hogeborn From nobody Mon Jul 11 18:50:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183FF12B009 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WSJjS1G_MMcV for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51CEC126579 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id b199so1141452lfe.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=tTKuhzmyca1TtJw9Gmi/9dnVeRr94+v5tXQRjlaiTro=; b=MdHUxgcgwtwJP8w3IfU74lfWUQkPyqENCJeZgAtVfEzaFsr+Clkx8Sh5dtMCZnBtlh 6RXaSesM6og0XIsGSC3Oru565iG4QHM28tvgli8d5DJf+HQ4nBnGc32WZQyibJlT5Q4I 17lw/TFEaQAogh69XvCO/JQMArfd//WcptW6Q+qKoCzLX5DsfDXs5CqVNyln04tB5dnm BW+r6b5sycrL0qQYZ9ACdLSt0o6jPbw9MjegAiehwmo1ap9TdF5Ha8PrLjKEP2iWQ+3f EA5UxHpo4UTEgxFyeh1yYQqD4OQShCIRCVohW7b7uBxS0dFZu0fxglMkMLZri3Exw6OY PHmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=tTKuhzmyca1TtJw9Gmi/9dnVeRr94+v5tXQRjlaiTro=; b=BSmlC6jcbso9RLhOkH4AALF5rkFG9TVRe67HMCH6P0yz36diPMeyI2pSGN/Tt6P5CE H+7o0XYE7nP0MpxDs7S6YXcyVEQGkJfgO0VDDDQJTbG7Dy3PpqokVQp3o5zDF2GhKjvg Sa0J2YLvbgt6cFh2UlEq4sBMqVo95bVlqrokoQJIEU87sPNIwslmgisZghUhNYSS1gZk Na7oU0e2vK/zDrDD4DavnbMc7f39ITB6MarOEs0mva9cFW1l6kJyo5rsXn8HoHEWFsNg 5mwiWyd5lsddSWNTtVA/lnWsY/pYjRoAIwR2RljoDucthN6CLRtSNyHSJnXVMuqz21w3 B8Cw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLxulkVzhe/53DB2cLD8C1P086WL1uk1AflxJ+zd3nC0ocOepFJ5HtQyJFiSwphssiM1n16G65tmK8P7A== X-Received: by 10.46.5.136 with SMTP id 130mr6526684ljf.13.1468288199283; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:49:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.217.219 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:49:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Lemon Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:49:18 -0400 Message-ID: To: 96attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a69b28be8c20537667c21 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Any NetBSD folks coming to IETF? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:50:03 -0000 --001a114a69b28be8c20537667c21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I need to find someone who can validate my PGP key.... :) --001a114a69b28be8c20537667c21 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need to find someone who can validate my PGP key.... =C2= =A0 :)
--001a114a69b28be8c20537667c21-- From nobody Tue Jul 12 00:00:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE2012B068 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:00:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dg5tupGcEszo for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1466612B016 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDCFBE25; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:00:30 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vYfIPsPgzXZO; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:00:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.154.240.60] (unknown [217.9.105.211]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CFF9BE2C; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:00:28 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1468306828; bh=oW1TO44sPAU0dG7TBsxTby+HOQnUIdJvD7p8XHHdz9M=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=pqThAkN/3gaspFVTlQGQBF1ABV1Zm9laK+cY56rGe1CbKscsE6SRl/RzRTkSB0z0J EiXbzlpbrWrJ4eVIykb9COl2wGV1ZyNs8auxScmkUhj2+OWwG0PJiJiriY0YP4rkH8 JM9z7+9IhBKv3mYp3FAUqxuFj8kwgos0CIznjmW4= To: Teddy Hogeborn , 96attendees@ietf.org References: <87zipn8y64.fsf@tower.recompile.se> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <5784958C.1080106@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:00:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87zipn8y64.fsf@tower.recompile.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms020503020305080700030104" Archived-At: Cc: ondrej@sury.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] No PGP Key Signing session at IETF 96? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:00:34 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020503020305080700030104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/07/16 02:04, Teddy Hogeborn wrote: > I am very surprised to NOT see a PGP signing session on the agenda for > IETF 96. Is there an unofficial one planned outside the agenda? >=20 > (It looks like the PGP key signing events were traditionally held on th= e > wednesday afternoon snack break, but I see nothing on the agenda.) Feel free to self organise. If that needs a room, I'm happy to approve one for this purpose. 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96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168FB12D73D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:49:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B7Jb5SnonPky for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FC6C12D6B8 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s4de8nsazdfe010.bmbg.telekom.de ([10.175.246.202]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 12 Jul 2016 09:48:56 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,350,1464645600"; d="scan'208,217";a="916426649" Received: from he105661.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.169.119.57]) by q4de8nsa015.bmbg.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 12 Jul 2016 09:48:56 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.58) by HE105661.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:48:56 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4]) by HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4%26]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:48:55 +0200 From: To: <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: IETF App on iPAD (Filter Behaviour)? Thread-Index: AdHcEdc4X627gWbKT1+BkO8EdDEuTw== Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:48:55 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.253.223] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_b40af4357b854a82925c20ce8e2d7dbfHE105662emea1cdstintern_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] IETF App on iPAD (Filter Behaviour)? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:49:11 -0000 --_000_b40af4357b854a82925c20ce8e2d7dbfHE105662emea1cdstintern_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am using the IETF App on an iPAD Air and I noticed that the filter option= is behaving strange. When you deselect items in the under "Filter" the ent= ry disappears (if you close the "Filter" and reopen it, the deselected entr= y is shown), when deselecting the last entry the app closes (crashes). IOS is up to date. regards Nic --_000_b40af4357b854a82925c20ce8e2d7dbfHE105662emea1cdstintern_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I am using the IETF App on an iPAD Air and I noticed that the filter o= ption is behaving strange. When you deselect items in the under “Filt= er” the entry disappears (if you close the “Filter” and r= eopen it, the deselected entry is shown), when deselecting the last entry the app closes (crashes).
 
IOS is up to date.
 
regards
 
Nic
 
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Hi,
=C2=A0i am hereby thanking the mana= gement and the organizing committee for the way they organized the session,= it will do a lot help for all the company that have the opportunity to atte= nd the session, i was about to sent one of my to attend but he was refused = for the visa so its possible for me to get all the discuss topic or to be o= nline during the session.
thanks.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:= 10 AM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net> wrote:
Hi, all:

It seems like it's getting increasingly difficult to find
volunteers to take minutes during working group sessions,
and there have been some sessions during the last few
meetings with no minutes at all.=C2=A0 Even though meetings
are being recorded, minutes are still extremely useful as
quick summaries of what happened and as a place to refer
to for a list of what needs attentions.=C2=A0 I always
volunteer to take minutes for at least one session
during a meeting and if more people did that we'd be
in excellent shape.=C2=A0 So please, if a working group chair
asks for volunteer minute takers, consider helping out.

Thanks,

Melinda

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--94eb2c03ba2c07b7bc05376b9eb8-- From nobody Tue Jul 12 01:01:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1DD12D0CA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:01:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aav3mTDfIBTd for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A808512B062 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bMsdW-0008AM-51 for 96attendees@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:01:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:01:45 +0200 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?sch=F6nfeld_=28SFX=29?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:01:49 -0000 i got a good price flying =D0=90=D1=8D=D1=80=D0=BE=D1=84=D0=BB=D0=BE=D1=82 = so went NRT-SVO-SFX. lemme tell you, sch=C3=B6feld is way out in the boonies. and the train to town, at least at the hour in the evening i arrived, is once an hour. taxi is about =E2=82= =AC45. randy From nobody Tue Jul 12 01:18:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A06012B046 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:18:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BsDoacgjUR2E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A3B012B00C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mfilter20-d.gandi.net (mfilter20-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.148]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786841720FB; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:18:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter20-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.196]) by mfilter20-d.gandi.net (mfilter20-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hp3IYAMcek1b; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:18:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 93.199.242.26 Received: from nar-3.local (p5DC7F21A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.242.26]) (Authenticated sender: cabo@cabo.im) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DAD61720A1; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:18:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:18:51 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Macintosh/20151105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?sch=C3=B6nfeld_=28SFX=29?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:18:58 -0000 Randy Bush wrote: > way out in the boonies Distance from Schönefeld to Berlin: 18 km compare with Distance from Dulles Airport to Washington DC: 42 km Distance from Munich Airport to Munich: 28.5 km But of course you have to go all the way from the far southeast of Berlin to the west city where the IETF meeting is. The trains are quite reasonable, even if not very frequent (S-bahn every 20 minutes during the day -- need to change on the way, Regionalbahn RE7/RB14 that goes right to Zoologischer Garten (City West) twice an hour for about 35-40 minutes). Tegel (TXL) is the preferred airport for flying into Berlin. Grüße, Carsten From nobody Tue Jul 12 01:28:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEA512D760 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:28:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aEYoepZL9n1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51F8412D75F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bMt3O-0008FH-1q; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:28:29 +0200 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> References: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?sch=F6nfeld_=28SFX=29?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:28:33 -0000 > Distance from Sch=C3=B6nefeld to Berlin: 18 km >=20 > compare with > Distance from Dulles Airport to Washington DC: 42 km > Distance from Munich Airport to Munich: 28.5 km and the distance from dulles airport to the berlin intercontinental about 6,800km. > Tegel (TXL) is the preferred airport for flying into Berlin. i sure wish you had told that to =D0=90=D1=8D=D1=80=D0=BE=D1=84=D0=BB=D0=BE= =D1=82 before they flew me to sch=C3=B6nfeld. my deep apologies for trying to tell folk how to deal if landing at SFX. i promise not to be so rude again. randy From nobody Tue Jul 12 01:41:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2F712D0EA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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[62.172.81.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p76sm2451420wmd.10.2016.07.12.01.41.25 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:41:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> <975779E1-2BE9-4903-98A9-467758F754D6@att.com> <22403.50279.395768.431887@tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com> <20160711220813.GY7377@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <20160711220813.GY7377@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <18E55789-9809-4CCA-99F2-39340B69970B@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) From: John Dowdell Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:41:22 +0100 To: Toerless Eckert Archived-At: Cc: TONY L HANSEN , David C Lawrence , Diego Dujovne , Warren Kumari , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:41:31 -0000 > On 11 Jul 2016, at 23:08, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > I know how miserable i feel as a note taker when i can't figure out names o= f > people mumbling on the mike. +1 >=20 > So, as a WG chair i'll sugest next week that before you go to the mike for= the > first time, please go by the notes taker and show her/him your badge. Read= ing > it off the badge IMHO is a lot easier than hearing (and then writing) a na= me. >=20 > I do love the QR code idea though: Find a cheap android phone with > front camera and WiFi, build IETF QR app: scans for QR code, then sends > name to Jabber channel, maybe speaks it out (or via room system). Screen > could also indicate when line is open/closed, how long someone speaks, etc= .pp > NFC would be nice, but printing QR code on attendee tags should be free an= d > NFC phones are still a lot more expensive if i'm not wrong. I'd like that too. Even if it was standalone and displayed name to the note t= akers mobile device. John >=20 >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 01:46:51PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: >>> On Monday, July 11, 2016, Diego Dujovne wrote:= >>>=20 >>> Another option could be to ask the participants >>> to login into jabber before going to the Mic, >>> so it would be faster to scan the list of >>> attendees for the name. >>=20 >> I try hard not to open my laptop in sessions which I care about -- it's >> much too easy to just glance at email during a poor presentation, and the= n, >> suddenly everyone gets up and wanders out, and you realize you've just >> missed the whole session. >>=20 >>=20 >> Yup, the RFID were, iirc, on the mic stands, and worked really well. >>=20 >>=20 >> W >>=20 >>=20 >>> The blue sheets are not always available on time >>> to do the same job during the session. >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Diego >>>=20 >>> PS: I understand not everybody is familiar >>> with jabber, too. >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:08 PM, David C Lawrence >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>>> TONY L HANSEN writes: >>>>> Note: QR codes are cheaper to print and deploy than RFID. >>>>=20 >>>> Totally true, but QR is a bit harder to integrate automatically for >>>> the context we're discussing. With RFID a sensor on the mic stand >>>> could much more easily pick up the speaker's name for insertion into >>>> Jabber, or to display on the front screen, or even just show a little >>>> readout for the minutes taker. QR could do the same, but the capture >>>> part is a lot more dependent on positioning. >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> --=20 >> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea i= n >> the first place. >> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing >> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of >> pants. >> ---maf >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 12 02:06:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BDB12D752 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09CFA0507; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:08:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from office.tpip.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (office.tpip.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id MAaI4Zx0F_0N; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:08:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1759AA3066; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:08:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tpip.net Received: from office.tpip.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (office.tpip.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Fe9HMY52FFG6; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:08:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from office.tpip.net (office.tpip.net [92.43.51.2]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2BBA0507; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:08:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Kostas Pentikousis To: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00c901d1dc1c$e7fa7180$b7ef5480$@travelping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1153 (MobileSync - Outlook/16.0 (16.0.6965.6526; C2R; x86)) Thread-Index: AQH/FfrMbzVTT+2ZEYVJ8pT5m8fFhAGugxKfAYk1q92foE48sA== Content-Language: en-us Thread-Topic: Taking minutes - volunteers Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:08:10 -0000 |I think we over use the term minutes. We need -and actually is what we |end up doing- 'rich meeting notes' than minutes. +1=20 |Meeting minutes (at least where I come from, there may be cultural |differences at play here) involve a lot more work including = post-meeting |processing and editing and include stakeholder approval before actually |being released. I agree, and I find this mail thread particularly helpful to get the = context right. Of course, we should not forget that there is a = well-defined approval process for meeting minutes in the IE/RTF.=20 Best regards, Kostas From nobody Tue Jul 12 02:22:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AB912B016 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PM6XV6bSMG8a for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D90E812B010 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.31] ([91.66.20.59]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MegOs-1bl9wC3cFs-00OEjb; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:21:49 +0200 References: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> To: Randy Bush , Carsten Bormann From: Daniel-Constantin Mierla Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:21:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Ponjjqf2XjVeOFmLCZPkE15IG5p/gMB7SViSrE0vcdCcKDm0TxH VlyWm0SNdZ5V0QdHvHvwULoEulfHmbMudWiND2VxetT6H576QXNBWvCgx+d3lfJsBP8qCTJ nw6eXdGR9QSU1tdEm/IIq8+g+9EfZKEabkcWtr6nz6x927Tn00F6t1uBMaZLmcuPfQx2tQg P0ofOnJwRtxaS8ACkvYZA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:94VfP3wIZQg=:f8qSNLI0KSma+3iEtKGsSY 3hBx1BLBs0VODugfrTfN7CB119ptYErtcw5rIQ12UvXxK+Vab5p2mVrFV0B2kYIYgWughMDq9 qCmWxm4JwHPMSu0/6rEo1Mec5VXCxQjpdDRj0wBzisxxuvrNl+RpjBpxOvb0qA2HqO40gt9B1 O2BNRlBdsV8voHkHHH/YPgNCwsFeiQJ7zG62bi4YCj66QhtpCr92RRtHWK1gqXSfK5UXD0l0U Jb1EEZ6yzlj2xeZYcw/UUgW3ebJHWjsQ0UB8Qgky+uW2Eg0Wwzc+rWje0B2mjHmBAQVRyxWz3 s33yvUAS5DIsPAbytlaFV7IFlNHGSqHNtL8mh8xsqMwHd62jtksMPKseAVbQjGnbLJFnpwqJ1 t3k1D2i3r6iMO9u9hcTuBvPd1HBjdrM54vZXXzI3DlDNmj85t0J0jy9+9piyPO6dGZ1tLUC72 vXi6PfDBN0TWw20KkGAcglXX6h1qv7J48Hg+EoaCIGYnP77v6gtxtUM66dZp2l542s0vdA0Hh vIX0hI2k6w774gbLW+I35WRpOFZ6wRo0k8ADeaku6xXWRTiPL2LeuPoZTS7V9u6y62dQU9dFW BqGDqcmNwyP1SGGcrsUrlMbvSZhAX/bU1t91CTsmO0UZ4ukd256GuNCdVLw9a3ATRSyprARJY No+Lzihl6EU946WQy0jl9x4Op7x33wC9ufOsfAtqTEsgMI9emnKiRq/3u4+Py1iDa7h3rv+2G ydkb1HjSMqOrotTxhzh33zkYiYLzhLQaUjInpMbJz1Y8APX+K0SuwwZ1eDWxM0ryrTKFZPqJl PbwBXvQ Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?sch=C3=B6nfeld_=28SFX=29?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: miconda@mail.com List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:22:05 -0000 On 12/07/16 10:28, Randy Bush wrote: >> Distance from Schönefeld to Berlin: 18 km >> >> compare with >> Distance from Dulles Airport to Washington DC: 42 km >> Distance from Munich Airport to Munich: 28.5 km > and the distance from dulles airport to the berlin intercontinental > about 6,800km. > >> Tegel (TXL) is the preferred airport for flying into Berlin. > i sure wish you had told that to Аэрофлот before they flew me to > schönfeld. > > my deep apologies for trying to tell folk how to deal if landing at > SFX. i promise not to be so rude again. > For who cares to get a bit more historical details: Aeroflot (Russian national airline) continued flying into SXF (which is the airport of former DDR/East Berlin) even after the Berlin wall was down. SXF terminals are rather small, under dimensioned, used mainly by discount airlines. TXL is the airport of former West Berlin and the main one at this moment, but is scheduled to be shut down once the BER/BBI (Berlin-Brandenburg International) will be open (if ever -- was supposed to be ready several years ago). TXL is inside the city (given that West Berlin was an island inside the DDR), thus very convenient to travel to/from, specially from west side of Berlin (where IETF86 takes place -- if flying in from Schengen country (no passport control) with hand bag only, could be 30min from plane door to hotel check-in desk using public transport, bus X9). BER/BBI is actually next to SXF, the new BER/BBI terminal is across the landing strip of the current SXF terminal. Supposedly, there will be a new train station at BER/BBI terminal with more convenient connections to the city. Anyhow, what I wanted to add as useful information for some coming first time in Berlin: if you come in SXF and use S-Bahn (S9 or S45) or buses for that matter, you must buy BVG or VBB (public transport company in Berlin/Brandenburg) ticket for zones ABC (price should be like 3.30Euro). SXF is the first (or second) stop out of Berlin AB zone and I encountered quite often BVG controllers in the trains around there -- easy to catch people (tourists) that typically buy ticket for Berlin AB. Also, note that you have to walk outside about 4-500m from the terminal to the S-Bahn (and train) station, there are good signs around, just don't be surprised the station is not under the terminal as in most of the big airports connected by train. Then very important: just buying BVG ticket from vending machines is not enough, you have to stamp it before getting into the train. There are stamping devices on small poles on the platforms or next to where you get the ticket -- some pictures to be able to identify theme: - http://vintage.johnnyjet.com/photos/Germany-ITB-Travel-Conference-2010-61.JPG - http://www.vbb.de/en/article/tickets-and-fares/ticket-fares/ticket-fares/5649.html >From the moment you stamped the ticket, it is valid for two hours. You can change from s-bahn to underground/metro, tram or bus as you wish during these two hours. And as a side note: the airport code is SXF, not SFX (as in subject or content of previous messages) -- I expect it was a fast typing typo, but just in case someone else searches for the code of the airport. Enjoy Berlin, Daniel -- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda From nobody Tue Jul 12 02:30:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C996412B026 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVAEi0hjZGuU for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6401B128874 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bMu1M-0008V5-4n; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:30:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:30:27 +0200 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: =?UTF-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7QsiDQktCw0YHQuNC70LjQuSDQktCw0LTQuNC80L4=?= =?UTF-8?B?0LLQuNGH?= In-Reply-To: <50CC389F-095E-47E1-ABAE-EE2F407CE7A8@minsvyaz.ru> References: <50CC389F-095E-47E1-ABAE-EE2F407CE7A8@minsvyaz.ru> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?sch=F6nfeld_=28SFX=29?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:30:32 -0000 > Latest SU flight arrives 21:20 to SXF well, last evening it landed at 21:50 :) btw, SVO has modernized. i do miss the classic decor in the plane. now SU is just another H&M airline. randy From nobody Tue Jul 12 02:37:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2935312D77E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WdbeaNINSjWZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.quux.de (mail.quux.de [IPv6:2001:4d88:1014:105::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DDAB12D769 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.quux.de (Postfix, from userid 110) id 93892265E3; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.quux.de (pD9E7989E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.231.152.158]) by mail.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D4B58265D8 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc8.berlin.quux.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc8.quux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57314380164 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:37:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Link To: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Organization: - References: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> X-URL: http://www.quux.de X-message-flag: HTML Mails will not be read! Send plain text! X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:37:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Daniel-Constantin Mierla's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:21:07 +0200") Message-ID: <87a8hntcx4.fsf@pc8.berlin.quux.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?sch=C3=B6nfeld_=28SFX=29?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:37:33 -0000 Daniel-Constantin Mierla writes: >From the moment you stamped the ticket, it is valid for two hours. You > can change from s-bahn to underground/metro, tram or bus as you wish > during these two hours. But only in on direction. So if you go from Zoo to Alexanderplatz you can't use the ticket for the way back even if you are in the two hour limit. Jens -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink@quux.de | --------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jul 12 02:40:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455FC12B026 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 02:40:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NseOIrXri4NU for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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You >> can change from s-bahn to underground/metro, tram or bus as you wish >> during these two hours. > But only in on direction. So if you go from Zoo to Alexanderplatz you > can't use the ticket for the way back even if you are in the two hour > limit. > Right -- good amendment to know for the general use of BVG -- I had in mind only the travel from SXF to IETF96 location. Daniel -- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda From nobody Tue Jul 12 04:33:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC3B12D095 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:32:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2FkO-94a7ztM for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22a.google.com (mail-oi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C97B912D0A6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id j185so11471427oih.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:32:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=m4kE3fuJBJoHCdRxnlspIntNJGzWmDk7Foddi0wqXUQ=; b=wFCe5VH5vT258qzPkhwuhF+jvbYBTIzkgiC3wSaJ1gzR66F1K5/CQZA1GByC2pwcG1 xEdIFoDHCxzbhEfah/pjnJ55xYQ7BcQBedjiGcKpFktFtd56iuuO7gzno2ksqsz6kI/Z O7W3MAmWNXfIbqH4TGMeh3XVq0ualPcn9p3sCHmaREtjlZL8d60PpGCIs7i21x6MAVhu t3UFh+p03aQFTAzAm15LKeDzg3QSs+8WBibJoT9fQDz/6MhNwuVOEWSXLMs+0GHRCsCz ouE4W+QFGWL3iJbLwzW4Q6hnDzzmvw8b4gRuFWZ4AWiVTzdv2TTrZEQv7RvIKxJtm2la DT5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=m4kE3fuJBJoHCdRxnlspIntNJGzWmDk7Foddi0wqXUQ=; b=Qy+Ltcjb6AfTwXoP6+pwCy5PRWEDyRGV+qjmIXHoT9wGJxv1nlLBgChZE7E5qRRtzX +XtikU3lhVFUDNBUsyPbLHN8d5mjyCEmYJAsMkR1U12W4+ZN/4sJ1Nn0WRZjUcoTcXyw 45RkuSvl32trqWRU/fzW2dpzRfw9znht+jxJpnby/Fh1bpXo+l3bDa/1OqeLj9TCO89L EHNPQWmUbpBfq+K0He1oi3AQ3Iwg2KVqWPSgjFNSW/tbGsIa0z0RBUN9YlLVd5K3aRqb pgCE6BPkLTPKcK+iOdbj/It2v7ZtvzFs0Opofsyeledy9ZbCz8rO9+a5i9mebnNex+3H ZTNA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLWFyuvgFxpCh4jYt2iZn/Y9rvzl/7nKezcQS3S1EDS1qQKf4TSgYbNz3CrYFN2Tl+zRmZyRRhFyO0U2A== X-Received: by 10.202.3.195 with SMTP id 186mr12011723oid.122.1468323170043; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:32:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.68.231 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 04:32:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: Nicolai Leymann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ba3e2f750f805376ea0fd Archived-At: Cc: ietfers@bangj.com, 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF App on iPAD (Filter Behaviour)? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:32:52 -0000 --001a113ba3e2f750f805376ea0fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nic, You should send bug reports using the in-app option under settings, or send email to ietfers@bangj.com (copied here). Cheers, Andy On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 3:48 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > I am using the IETF App on an iPAD Air and I noticed that the filter > option is behaving strange. When you deselect items in the under =E2=80= =9CFilter=E2=80=9D > the entry disappears (if you close the =E2=80=9CFilter=E2=80=9D and reope= n it, the > deselected entry is shown), when deselecting the last entry the app close= s > (crashes). > > IOS is up to date. > > regards > > Nic > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a113ba3e2f750f805376ea0fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I am using the IETF App on an iPAD Air and I noticed that the filter o= ption is behaving strange. When you deselect items in the under =E2=80=9CFi= lter=E2=80=9D the entry disappears (if you close the =E2=80=9CFilter=E2=80= =9D and reopen it, the deselected entry is shown), when deselecting the last entry the app closes (crashes).
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IOS is up to date.
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regards
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Nic
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Received: from [IPv6:2001:638:809:ff1f::8295:dc39] (unknown [IPv6:2001:638:809:ff1f::8295:dc39]) by mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D5108D8; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:37:16 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Philipp S. Tiesel" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:37:14 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16523593-0157-4638-B6E7-42C464436E44@inet.tu-berlin.de> References: <167713930726@OXYGENE> <15CDB691-047C-4FEE-BF61-C858A21880FD@cisco.com> <0E355608-7ACA-47A5-BDDD-19D096F172CB@minsvyaz.ru> <01DA93D5-D119-480A-9B96-032C0601BD77@consulintel.es> <924A736D-6AE7-4993-B706-ADE94D5E3FD1@amsl.com> <9A83E80C-79D7-4196-A457-B692C16EE5B7@consulintel.es> To: Daniel Harkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Fred Baker , =?utf-8?B?0JTQvtC70LzQsNGC0L7QsiDQktCw0YHQuNC70LjQuSDQktCw0LQ=?= =?utf-8?B?0LjQvNC+0LLQuNGH?= , "amorris@amsl.com" , "Carlos M. Martinez" , "jordi.palet@consulintel.es" Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?96th_IETF_July_17-22=2C_2016=2C_Berlin=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_Germany_-_Final_VA_T_Invoice_n=C2=B0_00004005?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:37:21 -0000 > On 11.07.2016, at 18:29, Daniel Harkins = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I think I understand why Brexit passed. Yes - because people once they got upset claim everything being more = complicated than it is=E2=80=A6 The invoice the IETF issued is an B2C invoice because a person registers = and pays a ticket. -> As it is B2C, the IETF has to charge VAT and give it to the german = authorities. -> As it is for an event taking place in Germany, the VAT is 19% x> The invoice is illegal, because EU law requires companies to use = prices incl. VAT on all B2C offers/invoices =E2=80=93 all prices on the list have to = include VAT. -> VAT should be listed for the case some business reimburses the = invoice and therefore can re-claim VAT. u> Paying in US-Dollar for a contract within the Euro-zone is = confusing. I think for a normal customer the B2C EU-Variant with =E2=80=9Cif you = see a price-tag, it includes all taxes and as a business you might be able to reclaim parts = of it=E2=80=9D is much more intuitive than the US variant where the price-tag is just an = lower limit of the price and the amount of tax you pay depends on at least three = factors you might be able to guess. EU B2B is complicated, but only needed if you want to save VAT in = advance as B2B can also use B2C regulations with drawbacks for both sides. >=20 > Dan. >=20 > On 7/9/16, 12:52 AM, "96attendees on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" = <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jordi.palet@consulintel.es> = wrote: >=20 >> This way is against the law. >>=20 >> IS NOT THAT YOU SHOULD REIUSSE THE INVOICE ONLY FOR THOSE THAT = COMPLETE THE FORM. >>=20 >> YOU MUST (MANDATORY) ISSUE THE INVOICES FOR ALL, INCLUDING THIS = FIELD, THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, OTHERWISE IS AGAINST THE EU TAX LAWS. For = example, each IETF participant, must provide it in order to collect the = registration ID. >>=20 >> Otherwise it means we want the IETF to act illegally! NICE! >>=20 >> And by the way, you must force this field as mandatory in ALL the = registrations for ALL IETFs, even if they are not in EU, European people = need to have it in their invoices, despite. I=E2=80=99ve told this to = the secretariat since many years ago, many times. I=E2=80=99ve also = indicated that the word =E2=80=9CInvoice=E2=80=9D must be in what in = other countries call =E2=80=9CReceipt=E2=80=9D otherwise EU people = can=E2=80=99t include the IETF registration fee as and expense in the = accounting. >>=20 >> I hope you start doing it from now on. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ve done it already. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Jordi >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Alexa = Morris >> Responder a: >> Fecha: s=C3=A1bado, 9 de julio de 2016, 1:11 >> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez >> CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Carlos M. = Martinez" , Fred Baker , = =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0= =BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 = >> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, Germany = - Final VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 >>=20 >> Jordi, >>=20 >> First, I want to apologize. While our meeting registration form does = have a field to collect VAT ID, the system was configured in such a way = that the VAT field was hidden from view; it was therefore invisible to = attendees registering for the meeting.=20 >>=20 >> We reenabled the field several hours ago. However, if you registered = when the field was hidden and need to have a VAT invoice, you can enter = your VAT ID via this form: = https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf96/editvatid.py. Please note that = you will need to have your registration numberer handy. >>=20 >> VMC will reissue proper VAT invoices to anyone who completes that = form. I apologize for the inconvenience.=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >> Alexa >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:28 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: >>=20 >>> Those invoices are wrong. I=E2=80=99ve indicated it many times. In = the EU, a valid invoice MUST include the VAT number of the recipient of = the invoice. >>>=20 >>> IETF registration process MUST request the EU VAT number (which for = persons is an ID, depending on the country). Otherwise, the invoices are = not correct, and can=E2=80=99t be considered by accounting. I know for = experience. Auditors rejected EACH time I had an audit, all the IETF = invoices, receipts, etc., which don=E2=80=99t include my VAT number. AND = you can=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9Cwrite it=E2=80=9D yourself. It is considered = an illegal modification of an invoice. >>>=20 >>> Moreover, if the VAT can be deducted, is only for companies, not = persons, unless Germany has a procedure for persons outside of the EU = for =E2=80=9Cservices=E2=80=9D. It will then mean that you can also = deduct the VAT of your hotel. If that=E2=80=99s the case, it should be = the same. >>>=20 >>> Finally, for EU companies, which an EU valid code, which can be = checked at the EU web site VIES: >>> http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/ >>> The VAT 0% should not be included in the invoice instead of 19%. >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m many doubts the VAT of this invoice can be deducted = anyway, because it is a French Company acting in Germany, not sure if = that=E2=80=99s correct. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Saludos, >>> Jordi >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Mensaje original----- >>> De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de "Carlos = M. Martinez" >>> Responder a: >>> Fecha: jueves, 7 de julio de 2016, 17:54 >>> Para: =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 = =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0= =BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 , "carlos@lacnic.net" = >>> CC: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Fred Baker = (fred)" , "ietf-registrar@ietf.org" = >>> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, Berlin, = Germany - Final VA T Invoice n=C2=B0 00004005 >>>=20 >>> Can an 'organization' claim it back then ? is there a procedure to = follow ? >>>=20 >>> I'm just trying to anticipate any questions our accountants may = have. >>>=20 >>> On 7/7/16 12:51 PM, =D0=94=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2 = =D0=92=D0=B0=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=92=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0= =BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87 wrote: >>>> If you are =C2=ABa person=C2=BB - no way. >>>>=20 >>>> dol@ >>>>=20 >>>>> 7 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BB=D1=8F 2016 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 18:46, Carlos M. = Martinez =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB= (=D0=B0): >>>>>=20 >>>>> Another, perhaps related, question: Is it possible for us non-EU >>>>> residents to claim a VAT return on our way out ? >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 7/7/16 12:37 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>>>>> Question regarding the VAT invoice: what should I do with it? Do = I need, for example, to bring a printed copy with me? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:09 AM, VMC SASU = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Dear Fred Baker, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> For your records, please find attached your final VAT invoice = n=C2=B0 00004005 for your participation at 96th IETF July 17-22, 2016, = Berlin, Germany. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> VMC Accounting Department >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> VMC >>>>>>> 14-30, rue de Mantes >>>>>>> 92700 Colombes - France >>>>>>> info@vamaco.eu >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier =C3=A9lectronique a =C3=A9t=C3= =A9 v=C3=A9rifi=C3=A9e par le logiciel antivirus Avast. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> ---------- >> Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF >> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 >> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 >> Email: amorris@amsl.com >>=20 >> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >> www.amsl.com >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees AVE! Philipp S. Tiesel --=20 Technische Universit=C3=A4t Berlin =E2=80=93 FG Internet Network = Architectures (INET) office: MAR 4.024 / Sekr.: MAR 4.4, Marchstr. 23, 10587 Berlin e-mail: philipp@inet.tu-berlin.de =E2=80=A2 phone: +49-30-314-75763 From nobody Tue Jul 12 07:25:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AD612DE42 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7vapCkNkJV7c for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E630012DE49 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from butte-1681.mountain2sea.com (69-77-155-155.static.skybest.com [69.77.155.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C32A1C74; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2914B05F-EF3C-4DD7-A3A6-58D9B2113B7F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:35:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1021E920-2E08-47FE-BADF-7DC7A31AA9A1@bangj.com> References: To: N.Leymann@telekom.de X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF App on iPAD (Filter Behaviour)? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:25:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2914B05F-EF3C-4DD7-A3A6-58D9B2113B7F Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_599C6B7E-9891-4AA1-A994-2E28893F2F96" --Apple-Mail=_599C6B7E-9891-4AA1-A994-2E28893F2F96 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 12, 2016, at 3:48 AM, = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I am using the IETF App on an iPAD Air and I noticed that the filter = option is behaving strange. When you deselect items in the under = =E2=80=9CFilter=E2=80=9D the entry disappears (if you close the = =E2=80=9CFilter=E2=80=9D and reopen it, the deselected entry is shown), = when deselecting the last entry the app closes (crashes). >=20 > IOS is up to date. >=20 > regards >=20 > Nic Yeah, that doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. I=E2=80=99ll take a look. Thanks! Tom --Apple-Mail=_599C6B7E-9891-4AA1-A994-2E28893F2F96 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 12, 2016, at 3:48 AM, <N.Leymann@telekom.de> <N.Leymann@telekom.de> wrote:

Hi,
 
I am = using the IETF App on an iPAD Air and I noticed that the filter option = is behaving strange. When you deselect items in the under =E2=80=9CFilter=E2= =80=9D the entry disappears (if you close the =E2=80=9CFilter=E2=80=9D = and reopen it, the deselected entry is shown), when deselecting the last = entry the app closes (crashes).
 
IOS is up to date.
 
regards
 
Nic

Yeah, that doesn=E2=80=99t sound right. I=E2=80=99ll= take a look.

Thanks!

Tom


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[71.126.238.54]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 59sm685165qtb.21.2016.07.12.08.20.40 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12H143) In-Reply-To: <6693D534-923B-4690-920F-5557F2D47215@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:20:39 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <6693D534-923B-4690-920F-5557F2D47215@nostrum.com> To: Ben Campbell Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Ross Finlayson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:36:29 -0000 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 > (as individual) >=20 > In my opinion, we really need the minutes. They provide the documentation b= ehind any decisions or other progress made in the meetings. I don't know how= many times I've seen post-meeting discussions end up with people checking m= inutes because no one quite remembers what was decided (Or they don't rememb= er the same thing.) They are also critical to people who are unable to atten= d the meeting. I agree and have needed them to verify discussion points in WGs I followed p= art way through their work. Kathleen=20 >=20 > The recordings are too cumbersome for this purpose, and will continue to b= e so until such time we can search the contents. >=20 > Ben. >=20 >> On 11 Jul 2016, at 16:34, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>=20 >> Requiring =E2=80=98minutes=E2=80=99 of meetings seems like a weird legacy= of the 20th Century. >>=20 >> Given that they involve a non-trivial amount of work, plus the fact that w= riting them requires a skill (being able to make good quality notes concurre= ntly with listening to/comprehending the meeting) that many people (includin= g I) do not have, I think we should question whether we need them at all. >>=20 >> Ross. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 12 09:35:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85FA12D528; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZAzEqNeUbsrB; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D96D112B03C; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1376; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468341298; x=1469550898; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=2Hqluz0FOxEp8se0AqvbIHXV0ZSHGfMCnOsNfrGavZ0=; b=YnpGQvULxO7DRtGbhRHVFzSLEVvFSJ4L5vf/XmSaiCbLYOY5gNZ5TnAs Gr+ypaGf6FH5kcbeGc5lPGW7oqZ4qEvpr1Oc4pYce5Ai40UAppg8ARkG9 z8olDL8sVEVT8d0rj3haWV/qyExJqyIUKZQol138HCXbQzX5cboEXG3g7 A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DFEwCxG4VX/xbLJq1chBQqtFeCdYQII?= =?us-ascii?q?od5AQEBAQEBZieEUzN0AT4CXwEMCAEBiCwOsRqPCgEBAQEGAQEBAQEdBYYqgXi?= =?us-ascii?q?KF4JaAQSZG4YPiEWBaoRZgwuFYJAUVINzOolXAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,352,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="638515499" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Jul 2016 16:34:56 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6CGYtEY006493; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:34:55 GMT To: "ops-area@ietf.org" , 96attendees@ietf.org, "ops-ads@ietf.org" From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <27a62a6f-933a-7e93-d204-7cec5db2ffc4@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:34:50 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F51A82985988ED736FDB6D77" Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] IETF 96 OPS open hours office X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:35:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F51A82985988ED736FDB6D77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, When: Monday 18th, 18h00 - 20h00 Where: Chess Please come to talk to us on any WG or OPS area items, about new proposals, or about any other IETF-related business. 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Regards, Joel and Benoit --------------F51A82985988ED736FDB6D77-- From nobody Tue Jul 12 12:43:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3D312D607 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Utn5RJqPFQYI for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0CD812D606 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:43:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4526; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468352583; x=1469562183; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; bh=YVJqK+vNXHagOsYczgRmPnDbUuQ2Z1vdP9pF5eKbaqw=; b=eaHjPrnaoNA+MN3saawUZMJBPw1hPK+tbt02GZobNmXdQeHr6I68k99l bqZwsxV49v6Bg+xWUENJHlYCZLNkZJvL1yZCxFKN0WZu0I8Stt/s9Unt1 FZdQTPUAfdw0hSMaG8aCnPmnAXq5cGX2WmTeDf7Koa4YWC743SsMvbwdL M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CBBQCCR4VX/5ldJa1RCoM+Vny5CYF5J?= =?us-ascii?q?IUqSgKBNjkTAQEBAQEBAWUnhF0BBQEBMAEiEwYLEAsYCSUPBRM2ExSIHA6zX4w?= =?us-ascii?q?EAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBHIp3gjSBZRiFawWOe4oghg+IOwqCOIIxi?= =?us-ascii?q?kWQFCACMoIJHIFsHDIBiSQBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,353,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="295120337" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Jul 2016 19:43:02 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6CJh2OX023861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:43:02 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6CJh1HJ005833; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:43:01 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6CJh1lt005832; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:43:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:43:01 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Daniel-Constantin Mierla Message-ID: <20160712194301.GK7377@cisco.com> References: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: Randy Bush , Carsten Bormann , 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] sch X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:43:06 -0000 I love Tegel. It's like arriving in a time machine in the mid 1970'es when West Berlin had settled as "small town" island surrounded by enemy territory. A little bit futuristic too given how built had started in the 60th, but of course lovingly dull compared to eg: Paris Terminal 1 from the same vintage. Hate the idea of another anonymous airport replacing Tegel. And if i am not mistaken, unlike CDG Terminal 1 which i think is put under historic protection, Tegel is meant to be torn down and space reused - there was some poster i saw on the bus route that they'd started community outreach to build out plans for that reuse. Cheers Toerlesss On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:21:07AM +0200, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote: > On 12/07/16 10:28, Randy Bush wrote: > >> Distance from Schnefeld to Berlin: 18 km > >> > >> compare with > >> Distance from Dulles Airport to Washington DC: 42 km > >> Distance from Munich Airport to Munich: 28.5 km > > and the distance from dulles airport to the berlin intercontinental > > about 6,800km. > > > >> Tegel (TXL) is the preferred airport for flying into Berlin. > > i sure wish you had told that to ???????????????? before they flew me to > > schnfeld. > > > > my deep apologies for trying to tell folk how to deal if landing at > > SFX. i promise not to be so rude again. > > > For who cares to get a bit more historical details: Aeroflot (Russian > national airline) continued flying into SXF (which is the airport of > former DDR/East Berlin) even after the Berlin wall was down. SXF > terminals are rather small, under dimensioned, used mainly by discount > airlines. TXL is the airport of former West Berlin and the main one at > this moment, but is scheduled to be shut down once the BER/BBI > (Berlin-Brandenburg International) will be open (if ever -- was supposed > to be ready several years ago). TXL is inside the city (given that West > Berlin was an island inside the DDR), thus very convenient to travel > to/from, specially from west side of Berlin (where IETF86 takes place -- > if flying in from Schengen country (no passport control) with hand bag > only, could be 30min from plane door to hotel check-in desk using public > transport, bus X9). BER/BBI is actually next to SXF, the new BER/BBI > terminal is across the landing strip of the current SXF terminal. > Supposedly, there will be a new train station at BER/BBI terminal with > more convenient connections to the city. > > Anyhow, what I wanted to add as useful information for some coming first > time in Berlin: if you come in SXF and use S-Bahn (S9 or S45) or buses > for that matter, you must buy BVG or VBB (public transport company in > Berlin/Brandenburg) ticket for zones ABC (price should be like > 3.30Euro). SXF is the first (or second) stop out of Berlin AB zone and I > encountered quite often BVG controllers in the trains around there -- > easy to catch people (tourists) that typically buy ticket for Berlin AB. > Also, note that you have to walk outside about 4-500m from the terminal > to the S-Bahn (and train) station, there are good signs around, just > don't be surprised the station is not under the terminal as in most of > the big airports connected by train. > > Then very important: just buying BVG ticket from vending machines is not > enough, you have to stamp it before getting into the train. There are > stamping devices on small poles on the platforms or next to where you > get the ticket -- some pictures to be able to identify theme: > > - > http://vintage.johnnyjet.com/photos/Germany-ITB-Travel-Conference-2010-61.JPG > - > http://www.vbb.de/en/article/tickets-and-fares/ticket-fares/ticket-fares/5649.html > > > >From the moment you stamped the ticket, it is valid for two hours. You > can change from s-bahn to underground/metro, tram or bus as you wish > during these two hours. > > And as a side note: the airport code is SXF, not SFX (as in subject or > content of previous messages) -- I expect it was a fast typing typo, but > just in case someone else searches for the code of the airport. > > Enjoy Berlin, > Daniel > > -- > Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com > http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Tue Jul 12 12:57:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CBD12B064 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2R1EaS54iR3Y for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8447112B02F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B0820C1F; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:56:55 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d= beuth-hochschule.de; h=x-mailer:references:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:from:from:content-type:content-type:mime-version :subject:subject:received:received; s=beuth; t=1468353412; x= 1470167813; bh=g8oTvhe6wV8gjWwZQLOcTWfu9h/u449FFThWDa7NvcU=; b=A BBthyCO5UxAp/fMof34FerqhpW8yK/8DvuGipc9CSeXjhvxusIykwUfdwOa8qM29 y/s1Pj9jxe/9pify+poC5FHqrP5HgkfuYkGgs69mr5drpt/UoSv1VYFQUjd37ptL BtGecygCCSNMq8nZaubKpM+88RcQ0OVBfmIgi9ZPwc= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx02.beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de ([141.64.12.230]) by localhost (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10034) with ESMTP id f0EThKmdZVVv; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aprikado.fritz.box (p54BD0133.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.189.1.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:56:51 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A061CA6B-A195-402F-883D-50009321E129"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Thomas Scheffler In-Reply-To: <20160712194301.GK7377@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:56:50 +0200 Message-Id: References: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> <20160712194301.GK7377@cisco.com> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: Randy Bush , Daniel-Constantin Mierla , Carsten Bormann , 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] sch X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:57:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A061CA6B-A195-402F-883D-50009321E129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The Terminal building is going to survive. It is supposed to transform into some kind of science park. Our University has already been allocated some gates to extend our campus. However, the poor professors sit on their packed suitcases since 2012 and can not move in, because the 'new' airport is not finished yet. There is a event planned for Saturday to discuss the plans for further use of the airport area. Feel free to visit: = http://www.berlintxl.de Thomas Am 12.07.2016 um 21:43 schrieb Toerless Eckert : > I love Tegel. It's like arriving in a time machine in the mid 1970'es > when West Berlin had settled as "small town" island surrounded by > enemy territory. A little bit futuristic too given how built had = started > in the 60th, but of course lovingly dull compared to eg: Paris = Terminal 1 > from the same vintage. >=20 > Hate the idea of another anonymous airport replacing Tegel. > And if i am not mistaken, unlike CDG Terminal 1 which i think is > put under historic protection, Tegel is meant to be torn down and = space > reused - there was some poster i saw on the bus route that they'd > started community outreach to build out plans for that reuse. >=20 > Cheers > Toerlesss >=20 > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:21:07AM +0200, Daniel-Constantin Mierla = wrote: >> On 12/07/16 10:28, Randy Bush wrote: >>>> Distance from Sch=F6nefeld to Berlin: 18 km >>>>=20 >>>> compare with >>>> Distance from Dulles Airport to Washington DC: 42 km >>>> Distance from Munich Airport to Munich: 28.5 km >>> and the distance from dulles airport to the berlin intercontinental >>> about 6,800km. >>>=20 >>>> Tegel (TXL) is the preferred airport for flying into Berlin. >>> i sure wish you had told that to ???????????????? before they flew = me to >>> sch=F6nfeld. >>>=20 >>> my deep apologies for trying to tell folk how to deal if landing at >>> SFX. i promise not to be so rude again. >>>=20 >> For who cares to get a bit more historical details: Aeroflot (Russian >> national airline) continued flying into SXF (which is the airport of >> former DDR/East Berlin) even after the Berlin wall was down. SXF >> terminals are rather small, under dimensioned, used mainly by = discount >> airlines. TXL is the airport of former West Berlin and the main one = at >> this moment, but is scheduled to be shut down once the BER/BBI >> (Berlin-Brandenburg International) will be open (if ever -- was = supposed >> to be ready several years ago). TXL is inside the city (given that = West >> Berlin was an island inside the DDR), thus very convenient to travel >> to/from, specially from west side of Berlin (where IETF86 takes place = -- >> if flying in from Schengen country (no passport control) with hand = bag >> only, could be 30min from plane door to hotel check-in desk using = public >> transport, bus X9). BER/BBI is actually next to SXF, the new BER/BBI >> terminal is across the landing strip of the current SXF terminal. >> Supposedly, there will be a new train station at BER/BBI terminal = with >> more convenient connections to the city. >>=20 >> Anyhow, what I wanted to add as useful information for some coming = first >> time in Berlin: if you come in SXF and use S-Bahn (S9 or S45) or = buses >> for that matter, you must buy BVG or VBB (public transport company in >> Berlin/Brandenburg) ticket for zones ABC (price should be like >> 3.30Euro). SXF is the first (or second) stop out of Berlin AB zone = and I >> encountered quite often BVG controllers in the trains around there -- >> easy to catch people (tourists) that typically buy ticket for Berlin = AB. >> Also, note that you have to walk outside about 4-500m from the = terminal >> to the S-Bahn (and train) station, there are good signs around, just >> don't be surprised the station is not under the terminal as in most = of >> the big airports connected by train. >>=20 >> Then very important: just buying BVG ticket from vending machines is = not >> enough, you have to stamp it before getting into the train. There are >> stamping devices on small poles on the platforms or next to where you >> get the ticket -- some pictures to be able to identify theme: >>=20 >> - >> = http://vintage.johnnyjet.com/photos/Germany-ITB-Travel-Conference-2010-61.= JPG >> - >> = http://www.vbb.de/en/article/tickets-and-fares/ticket-fares/ticket-fares/5= 649.html >>=20 >>=20 >>> =46rom the moment you stamped the ticket, it is valid for two hours. = You >> can change from s-bahn to underground/metro, tram or bus as you wish >> during these two hours. >>=20 >> And as a side note: the airport code is SXF, not SFX (as in subject = or >> content of previous messages) -- I expect it was a fast typing typo, = but >> just in case someone else searches for the code of the airport. >>=20 >> Enjoy Berlin, >> Daniel >>=20 >> -- >> Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com >> http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > -- > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_A061CA6B-A195-402F-883D-50009321E129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXhUuDAAoJEJCDqCuE1lyrf6IP/1kphgkLorG29GN5+fisGeih Eg+QW3Zv9Ooroxv8ObqvY1b+t5QuxtzAjYlA0Ojm3iMkcesz0qBT/y9pIOKX2TeA jMTYbrSBkxCIpZ3GH5W5uPeRazY1PhjDFHdIB4GFBUtpqWEAljj2vTbddb7ntAJz bjzJB/rqgeVhEftuASW5mNKlrZY+6v10/4ksPM+04iPhXtA+ibdN/Pk+54a/Fnwr 0MA8lkOSKo5GieNutjNCtZQlFOZXFmrmVDpQpsjzKvrw60QfSvwdKf3S3tuFxZSU BgLILtDNsnJT7kr3JwhKHcmgjo+COjuhhIqU7JdETHzccoc3+a6GCegxNGfTanJF 8B6wM1m5bWgW0pZav7SL1QmRfIbqzvV6nQlKLBzum/0UqnZ6sY7+NqZxQK7vkRdQ XLaTnDt6rjtzx+ZcaMNb9ZzpglIJxp1skToZo7HlQ6uPnbeBsiK6PggTuAAgwOTL 2H93Vx9lyX/b15mV2E4DfzH8EzHaFc56oGl9KaNKTlWOR5fDHZnkVaTnASHoOyJ4 1aSJizpZacMC5F3oQz3Z8xR3O2k+fXjVwd7KxibanjYdspzkrWokduU1ZX384w9p osjw7rxvMYvrg2QzS5ro2R0/kLZwMTWg5VD/XNkrI9lUTu778OFH54FHZUG44qYe fpg1L+6ryIBdaybMm5Sb =sAJ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A061CA6B-A195-402F-883D-50009321E129-- From nobody Tue Jul 12 13:09:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B073112D5D3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rh4BHJNIbwkl for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D9CA12D61C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 59846 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2016 20:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2016 20:09:44 -0000 Date: 12 Jul 2016 20:09:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20160712200921.33032.qmail@ary.lan> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20160712194301.GK7377@cisco.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: eckert@cisco.com Subject: Re: [96attendees] old airports X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:09:46 -0000 >I love Tegel. It's like arriving in a time machine in the mid 1970'es >when West Berlin had settled as "small town" island ... Indeed, I like it too, but I think a lot of people would love even more to be able to fly to Berlin directly from North America and Asia without changing in Frankfurt. >Hate the idea of another anonymous airport replacing Tegel. >And if i am not mistaken, unlike CDG Terminal 1 which i think is >put under historic protection, Tegel is meant to be torn down and space >reused - ... Berlin's historic airport was Tempelhof, with a huge canopy that overhangs the ramp. It shut down in 2008. It is now a park, and its terminal is (temporarily?) used to house refugees. R's, John From nobody Tue Jul 12 14:40:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC1312D986 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.108 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kj6PqlZc-YIz for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1890112D1A2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bN5PI-00028T-BL>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:39:56 +0200 Received: from x5ce7e306.dyn.telefonica.de ([92.231.227.6] helo=mw-PC.fritz.box) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bN5PH-0018eP-Vt>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:39:56 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:38:02 +0200 From: Matthias Waehlisch To: ietf@johnlevine.com In-Reply-To: <20160712200921.33032.qmail@ary.lan> Message-ID: References: <20160712200921.33032.qmail@ary.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) X-X-Sender: waehl@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 92.231.227.6 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, eckert@cisco.com Subject: Re: [96attendees] old airports X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:39:59 -0000 On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: > >I love Tegel. It's like arriving in a time machine in the mid 1970'es > >when West Berlin had settled as "small town" island ... > > Indeed, I like it too, > Tegel is highly efficient because it's decentralized. > but I think a lot of people would love even more to be able to fly to > Berlin directly from North America and Asia without changing in > Frankfurt. > At least, New York/JFK,Newark (Air Berlin, Lufthansa, United Airlines), Chicago (Air Berlin), Miami (Air Berlin), and Peking (Hainan Airlines) Cheers matthias From nobody Tue Jul 12 17:17:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31EB12D878 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X008ksZ64ViK for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99DD812D69E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:16:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5891; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468369019; x=1469578619; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; bh=zbTAGK/K98Hd7f3P3GLnWxfR19tsSto/rFRW/ExE1Dc=; b=MLFdwmt3xXhnGnt0o7zncvT79nTGCVBNeACTOfOHQcu4gwMHb8BRoKJu Xide7/QTAtQChZo6UxTJoDd8uJQLsMoZRG/EmdTYxos6LdVF4w/wBB+ks f/lslBqQUZmFQCzhpXzT9yWub7AEyEXzQ9CboTtlV7VrDlI2PmJS/57/1 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0A1AgAqiIVX/5BdJa1SCoM+Vny5DoF5J?= =?us-ascii?q?IUqSgKBOTgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhFwBAQQBAQEwASITBgsQCxgJJQ8FEzYTFIgUCA6?= =?us-ascii?q?0JIt7AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBHIl0AYECgjSBVBEYhWsFjnuKIIYPi?= =?us-ascii?q?DsKgjiCMYpFkBQeNoIJHIFsHDIBiSQBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,354,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="125396825" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 Jul 2016 00:16:58 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6D0GwWZ009318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:16:58 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6D0Gv5R018698; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:16:57 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6D0GuB8018696; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:16:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:16:56 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Thomas Scheffler Message-ID: <20160713001656.GM7377@cisco.com> References: <5784A7EB.5000609@tzi.org> <20160712194301.GK7377@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: Randy Bush , Daniel-Constantin Mierla , Carsten Bormann , 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] sch X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:17:01 -0000 Ah, great to hear i was wrong. COnverted old airport buildings can be real cool offices. As an example, go to the old airport building in Oslo which is now an office park. Cheeer Toerless On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 09:56:50PM +0200, Thomas Scheffler wrote: > The Terminal building is going to survive. > It is supposed to transform into some kind of science park. > > Our University has already been allocated some gates to > extend our campus. However, the poor professors sit on their > packed suitcases since 2012 and can not move in, because > the 'new' airport is not finished yet. > > There is a event planned for Saturday to discuss the plans > for further use of the airport area. Feel free to visit: http://www.berlintxl.de > > Thomas > > > Am 12.07.2016 um 21:43 schrieb Toerless Eckert : > > > I love Tegel. It's like arriving in a time machine in the mid 1970'es > > when West Berlin had settled as "small town" island surrounded by > > enemy territory. A little bit futuristic too given how built had started > > in the 60th, but of course lovingly dull compared to eg: Paris Terminal 1 > > from the same vintage. > > > > Hate the idea of another anonymous airport replacing Tegel. > > And if i am not mistaken, unlike CDG Terminal 1 which i think is > > put under historic protection, Tegel is meant to be torn down and space > > reused - there was some poster i saw on the bus route that they'd > > started community outreach to build out plans for that reuse. > > > > Cheers > > Toerlesss > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:21:07AM +0200, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote: > >> On 12/07/16 10:28, Randy Bush wrote: > >>>> Distance from Schnefeld to Berlin: 18 km > >>>> > >>>> compare with > >>>> Distance from Dulles Airport to Washington DC: 42 km > >>>> Distance from Munich Airport to Munich: 28.5 km > >>> and the distance from dulles airport to the berlin intercontinental > >>> about 6,800km. > >>> > >>>> Tegel (TXL) is the preferred airport for flying into Berlin. > >>> i sure wish you had told that to ???????????????? before they flew me to > >>> schnfeld. > >>> > >>> my deep apologies for trying to tell folk how to deal if landing at > >>> SFX. i promise not to be so rude again. > >>> > >> For who cares to get a bit more historical details: Aeroflot (Russian > >> national airline) continued flying into SXF (which is the airport of > >> former DDR/East Berlin) even after the Berlin wall was down. SXF > >> terminals are rather small, under dimensioned, used mainly by discount > >> airlines. TXL is the airport of former West Berlin and the main one at > >> this moment, but is scheduled to be shut down once the BER/BBI > >> (Berlin-Brandenburg International) will be open (if ever -- was supposed > >> to be ready several years ago). TXL is inside the city (given that West > >> Berlin was an island inside the DDR), thus very convenient to travel > >> to/from, specially from west side of Berlin (where IETF86 takes place -- > >> if flying in from Schengen country (no passport control) with hand bag > >> only, could be 30min from plane door to hotel check-in desk using public > >> transport, bus X9). BER/BBI is actually next to SXF, the new BER/BBI > >> terminal is across the landing strip of the current SXF terminal. > >> Supposedly, there will be a new train station at BER/BBI terminal with > >> more convenient connections to the city. > >> > >> Anyhow, what I wanted to add as useful information for some coming first > >> time in Berlin: if you come in SXF and use S-Bahn (S9 or S45) or buses > >> for that matter, you must buy BVG or VBB (public transport company in > >> Berlin/Brandenburg) ticket for zones ABC (price should be like > >> 3.30Euro). SXF is the first (or second) stop out of Berlin AB zone and I > >> encountered quite often BVG controllers in the trains around there -- > >> easy to catch people (tourists) that typically buy ticket for Berlin AB. > >> Also, note that you have to walk outside about 4-500m from the terminal > >> to the S-Bahn (and train) station, there are good signs around, just > >> don't be surprised the station is not under the terminal as in most of > >> the big airports connected by train. > >> > >> Then very important: just buying BVG ticket from vending machines is not > >> enough, you have to stamp it before getting into the train. There are > >> stamping devices on small poles on the platforms or next to where you > >> get the ticket -- some pictures to be able to identify theme: > >> > >> - > >> http://vintage.johnnyjet.com/photos/Germany-ITB-Travel-Conference-2010-61.JPG > >> - > >> http://www.vbb.de/en/article/tickets-and-fares/ticket-fares/ticket-fares/5649.html > >> > >> > >>> From the moment you stamped the ticket, it is valid for two hours. You > >> can change from s-bahn to underground/metro, tram or bus as you wish > >> during these two hours. > >> > >> And as a side note: the airport code is SXF, not SFX (as in subject or > >> content of previous messages) -- I expect it was a fast typing typo, but > >> just in case someone else searches for the code of the airport. > >> > >> Enjoy Berlin, > >> Daniel > >> > >> -- > >> Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com > >> http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > -- > > --- > > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Wed Jul 13 00:23:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3573912D5D6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:23:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TjplsBg_485S for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22a.google.com (mail-qt0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D55D12D0C3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id w38so21079772qtb.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:23:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=ERfjnWzbF0pcLzSZQzS8BDZfW9LJUV9JThS5esxlBSs=; b=KZ0SENzGTgDpNm+mKJpOheqJsYXkE0we3k+aQaSnLLNo1v0Nj8EumXO39oKwUs7/lb 2jJPjTP+OqGzpDNjBvNFsMvMmPXm9Uwy0AECwXzYx5p/EWSkWukuJzUb8v6endpWJ80N r2SPYgEQxMfjdTaeeR06/UKZHdO9V6IVAGSJ04B30/4jDEHDATXSlfwjHLicLvXUQQbj sJe4HBBAHgDUlFR9c5MJrWHWapk098qr/+N1rS/80UB9+CNL1obwsQWrHwE99noQ+Qy2 /AaYJKmDCAiJyoMOMGq75xs8rWQaCzsKk6L1l+SZIuN0HApxa93t63Fz6ZTid66vD7zI 3hGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=ERfjnWzbF0pcLzSZQzS8BDZfW9LJUV9JThS5esxlBSs=; b=lxgmUrZqpjvh7PV015CEDew9hilEbY3G99cPvmu/dfCgExljba8CyPg9J5E+66N0y+ OHkVobw6ny/lDHdD6Upy+yYhgKqCe4L9igV51PGiFNzkIWM1UQ6U3nFrcYDa4icZtLjI Eqc339f6x8BRSdfiEI6t1s72URaCF7as9KVzlVzzbSYzqLzWcdD0a1AsHyljgMKCZSLh FnVleMCY8slynPzXQy+ZCWFQXphqMjigQCDCeiy0c3qJrn2g+sRGtJ985IEBtwpSkqeZ Jyk/wjQatygg04cRbPP36C8wGJTAPQQDm3SOp+3KfDkOongBdqQHPrLUXaHuVA+RWYiu 595g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJrkzOvcTPD9IDyD+HERDRloJkZSAKKxmHOx2nH2KTWiJ166lTL9aGlVsqEjsfNeXRP9lcatx83v+QATckk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.200.40.36 with SMTP id 33mr3490465qtq.53.1468394607172; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.93.71 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:23:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <6693D534-923B-4690-920F-5557F2D47215@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: "kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140e9ecf373fd05377f42bf Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Ross Finlayson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:23:30 -0000 --001a1140e9ecf373fd05377f42bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Ben Campbell > wrote: > > > > (as individual) > > > > In my opinion, we really need the minutes. They provide the > documentation behind any decisions or other progress made in the meetings= . > I don't know how many times I've seen post-meeting discussions end up wit= h > people checking minutes because no one quite remembers what was decided (= Or > they don't remember the same thing.) They are also critical to people who > are unable to attend the meeting. > > I agree and have needed them to verify discussion points in WGs I followe= d > part way through their work. Yup, and for chairs to be able to go back and confirm their memory of events, and for folk who just need a quick update of what actually happened (e.g because they were in a conflicting session, etc) W > > Kathleen > > > > > The recordings are too cumbersome for this purpose, and will continue t= o > be so until such time we can search the contents. > > > > Ben. > > > >> On 11 Jul 2016, at 16:34, Ross Finlayson wrote: > >> > >> Requiring =E2=80=98minutes=E2=80=99 of meetings seems like a weird leg= acy of the 20th > Century. > >> > >> Given that they involve a non-trivial amount of work, plus the fact > that writing them requires a skill (being able to make good quality notes > concurrently with listening to/comprehending the meeting) that many peopl= e > (including I) do not have, I think we should question whether we need the= m > at all. > >> > >> Ross. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --001a1140e9ecf373fd05377f42bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostr= um.com> wrote:
>
> (as individual)
>
> In my opinion, we really need the minutes. They provide the documentat= ion behind any decisions or other progress made in the meetings. I don'= t know how many times I've seen post-meeting discussions end up with pe= ople checking minutes because no one quite remembers what was decided (Or t= hey don't remember the same thing.) They are also critical to people wh= o are unable to attend the meeting.

I agree and have needed them to verify discussion points in WGs I followed = part way through their work.


=C2=A0Yup, and for chairs to be able to go back and confirm their memory o= f events, and for folk who just need a quick update of what actually happen= ed (e.g because they were in a conflicting session, etc)

W

Kathleen

>
> The recordings are too cumbersome for this purpose, and will continue = to be so until such time we can search the contents.
>
> Ben.
>
>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 16:34, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>
>> Requiring =E2=80=98minutes=E2=80=99 of meetings seems like a weird= legacy of the 20th Century.
>>
>> Given that they involve a non-trivial amount of work, plus the fac= t that writing them requires a skill (being able to make good quality notes= concurrently with listening to/comprehending the meeting) that many people= (including I) do not have, I think we should question whether we need them= at all.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ross.
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This is like putting r= abid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen th= ose particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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On Monday, July 11, 2016, Phil Shafer <phil@juniper.net> wrote:

>it doesn't help the other individuals in the room who may want to f= ind the speaker at a later time.

Unless they are looking at the etherpad and see the right name pop up.

Thanks,
=C2=A0Phil

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Warren Kumari > wrote: On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, > wrote: Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Ben Campbell > wrote: > > (as individual) > > In my opinion, we really need the minutes. They provide the documentation= behind any decisions or other progress made in the meetings. I don't know = how many times I've seen post-meeting discussions end up with people checki= ng minutes because no one quite remembers what was decided (Or they don't r= emember the same thing.) They are also critical to people who are unable to= attend the meeting. I agree and have needed them to verify discussion points in WGs I followed = part way through their work. Yup, and for chairs to be able to go back and confirm their memory of even= ts, and for folk who just need a quick update of what actually happened (e.= g because they were in a conflicting session, etc) And for my part, I populate the BFD WG status wiki from the minutes. -- Jeff --_000_1EE84218C73E4E9DBE634460C98F1B9Cjunipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com= > wrote:


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
> (as individual)
>
> In my opinion, we really need the minutes. They provide the documentat= ion behind any decisions or other progress made in the meetings. I don't kn= ow how many times I've seen post-meeting discussions end up with people che= cking minutes because no one quite remembers what was decided (Or they don't remember the same thing.) They a= re also critical to people who are unable to attend the meeting.

I agree and have needed them to verify discussion points in WGs I followed = part way through their work.


 Yup, and for chairs to be able to go back and confirm their memory of= events, and for folk who just need a quick update of what actually happene= d (e.g because they were in a conflicting session, etc)

And for my part, I populate the BFD WG status wiki from the= minutes.

-- Jeff

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Warren Kumari > wrote: On Monday, July 11, 2016, Phil Shafer > wrote: Jeff Haas writes: >There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeated back the per= son's name. Soon we'll have badge reader attached to the mic stands. RFID or QR? The concern with QR is that it requires the participants to make sure that = their badge is lined up, etc (yes, QR should be readable from a distance an= d at funny angles /heights (some of us are short!), but in practice they se= em more fiddley) The concern with RFID is likely to be privacy and long distance reading... The privacy consideration should be "if you're concerned about being identi= fied at an IETF, don't come". Seriously, we take minutes. Contributions must be logged for IPR purposes.= The conference requires registration and a name badge. I'm confused about privacy considerations that simply make badge data more = "visible" are negative. If the concern is what happens when you take your = badge off, perhaps the hosting groups can volunteer to provide tinfoil for = people that have taken their badges off. Whether that foil is used to prot= ect their badges or make hats is up to the participant. :-) -- Jeff --_000_43413C70D54C49BA85BAAA5A9226C959junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:

On Monday, July 11, 2016, Phil Shafer <phil@juniper.net> wrote:
Jeff Haas writes:
>There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeated back the = person's name.

Soon we'll have badge reader attached to the mic stands.


RFID or QR? 
The concern with QR is that it requires the participants to make sure that = their badge is lined up, etc (yes, QR should be readable from a distance an= d at funny angles /heights (some of us are short!), but in practice they se= em more fiddley)

The concern with RFID is likely to be privacy and long distance r= eading...

The privacy consideration should be "if you're concern= ed about being identified at an IETF, don't come".

Seriously, we take minutes.  Contributions must be log= ged for IPR purposes.  The conference requires registration and a name= badge.

I'm confused about privacy considerations that simply make = badge data more "visible" are negative.  If the concern is w= hat happens when you take your badge off, perhaps the hosting groups can vo= lunteer to provide tinfoil for people that have taken their badges off.  Whether that foil is used to protect their badges = or make hats is up to the participant. :-)

-- Jeff

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[194.29.32.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a2sm29136079wma.2.2016.07.13.01.01.06 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jul 2016 01:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4651107B-C050-4175-B993-21C8CE6A810E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: <43413C70-D54C-49BA-85BA-AA5A9226C959@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:01:05 +0300 Message-Id: <778AE100-CA0F-4F6F-9A8D-FD3155EFF790@gmail.com> References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <43413C70-D54C-49BA-85BA-AA5A9226C959@juniper.net> To: Jeff Haas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Kyle Rose , Warren Kumari , Phil Shafer , Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:01:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4651107B-C050-4175-B993-21C8CE6A810E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 13 Jul 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jeff Haas wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Warren Kumari > wrote: >>=20 >> On Monday, July 11, 2016, Phil Shafer > wrote: >> Jeff Haas writes: >> >There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs repeated back = the person's name. >>=20 >> Soon we'll have badge reader attached to the mic stands. >>=20 >>=20 >> RFID or QR?=20 >> The concern with QR is that it requires the participants to make sure = that their badge is lined up, etc (yes, QR should be readable from a = distance and at funny angles /heights (some of us are short!), but in = practice they seem more fiddley) >>=20 >> The concern with RFID is likely to be privacy and long distance = reading... >=20 > The privacy consideration should be "if you're concerned about being = identified at an IETF, don't come". >=20 > Seriously, we take minutes. Contributions must be logged for IPR = purposes. The conference requires registration and a name badge. >=20 > I'm confused about privacy considerations that simply make badge data = more "visible" are negative. If the concern is what happens when you = take your badge off, perhaps the hosting groups can volunteer to provide = tinfoil for people that have taken their badges off. Whether that foil = is used to protect their badges or make hats is up to the participant. = :-) Yeah! Like I=E2=80=99d trust tinfoil provided by =E2=80=9Cthe man=E2=80=9D= . Yoav --Apple-Mail=_4651107B-C050-4175-B993-21C8CE6A810E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On 13 Jul 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> = wrote:


On = Jul 13, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> = wrote:

On Monday, July 11, 2016, Phil Shafer <phil@juniper.net> wrote:
Jeff Haas writes:
>There was an experiment last IETF wherein the chairs = repeated back the person's name.

Soon we'll = have badge reader attached to the mic stands.


RFID or QR? 
The concern = with QR is that it requires the participants to make sure that their = badge is lined up, etc (yes, QR should be readable from a distance and = at funny angles /heights (some of us are short!), but in practice they = seem more fiddley)

The = concern with RFID is likely to be privacy and long distance = reading...

The privacy consideration should be "if you're concerned about = being identified at an IETF, don't come".

Seriously, we take minutes. =  Contributions must be logged for IPR purposes.  The = conference requires registration and a name badge.

I'm confused about privacy = considerations that simply make badge data more "visible" are negative. =  If the concern is what happens when you take your badge off, = perhaps the hosting groups can volunteer to provide tinfoil for people = that have taken their badges off.  Whether that foil is used to = protect their badges or make hats is up to the participant. = :-)

Yeah! =  Like I=E2=80=99d trust tinfoil provided by =E2=80=9Cthe = man=E2=80=9D.

Yoav

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Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483C9207BB8; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u6D8S0nQ027423; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:28:01 +0200 To: Job Snijders References: <05e635b4-df0b-8d6a-a370-c5eb5dcf3e22@cea.fr> <20160711125740.GN24156@22.rev.meerval.net> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:28:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160711125740.GN24156@22.rev.meerval.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms000206030807000500060409" Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:19:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000206030807000500060409 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A541C51156118A83D72A1D9A" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A541C51156118A83D72A1D9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The amount per person (around 120 United States Dollars - why not Euros, = which country's conversion rate) seems high for one registration but=20 very low compared to the effort needed to recover it. There should be VAT exemption applied at the source, otherwise Germany=20 wins undeserved money. Alexandre Petrescu, Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS, CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223. Le 11/07/2016 =E0 14:57, Job Snijders a =E9crit : > Hi, > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 02:53:41PM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: >> I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid additional Value Added Tax (= VAT). >> >> But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - cou= ld the >> VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the fi= rst >> place). > You should consult with your accountant or some other financial advisor= =2E > > Kind regards, > > Job > --------------A541C51156118A83D72A1D9A Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The amount per person (around 120 United States Dollars - why not Euros, which country's conversion rate) seems high for one registration but very low compared to the effort needed to recover it.

There should be VAT exemption applied at the source, otherwise Germany wins undeserved money.
 
Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223.
Le 11/07/2016 =E0 14:57, Job Snijders = a =E9crit=A0:
Hi,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 02:53:41PM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid addition=
al Value Added Tax (VAT).

But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - could =
the
VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the first=

place).

You should consult with your accountant or some other financial advisor.

Kind regards,

Job

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office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A20A0507; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:16:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Kostas Pentikousis To: "'Warren Kumari'" References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:16:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1153 (MobileSync - Outlook/16.0 (16.0.6965.6526; C2R; x86)) Thread-Index: ZFZ+dYNrDAj85qV/KSXkrQk2BHfHIQ== Content-Language: en-us Thread-Topic: Taking minutes - volunteers Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:24:45 -0000 | RFID or QR?=20 I'm a little bit confused with this thread. If I recall correctly, it = started as a call for volunteers. It morphed into a = we-need-better-minutes kind-of-discussion focusing primarily on tools = and preferences about how to collect minutes. Now we're heading toward = arguing about RFID- vs. QR-tracked IETF attendees.=20 There was much ado about a multicast/broadcast experiment a few IETFs = back. I gather some legal advisors were involved too. Coupled with the = recent VAT legal discussion, this list is getting a bit away from = "running code and rough consensus" the way I understand it. Unless we're = aiming to reach rough consensus about attendee tracking using previously = demonstrated running code. Are there plans to hum in Berlin re: IETF = attendee tracking? Got the message: we need more minute taker volunteers; please talk to = the WG chairs; it's not that difficult. Now, I could imagine some of = that other energy could have been channeled to reviewing drafts and = commenting on WG mailing lists. After all, this is the next key question = in most meetings, once we have our minute taker(s): "who has read the = draft?" 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Alexandre Petrescu, Ingénieur Chercheur, AS, CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, tél 0169089223. Le 11/07/2016 à 14:57, Job Snijders a écrit : Hi, On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 02:53:41PM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid additional Value Added Tax (VAT). But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - could the VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the first place). You should consult with your accountant or some other financial advisor. Kind regards, Job _______________________________________________96attendees mailing list96attendees@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [NIXI is on Social-Media too. 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I am also working for a not for profit organization.Kindly s= uggest a way to refund the VAT somehow.

Thanks,
Harish Chow= dhary

From: Alexandre PETRESCU <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr>=
Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:49:31
To: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net= >
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Ber= lin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations

The amount per person (around 120 United St= ates Dollars - why not Euros, which country's conversion rate) seems hi= gh for one registration but very low compared to the effort needed to recov= er it.

There should be VAT exemption applied at the source, othe= rwise Germany wins undeserved money. 
Alexandre Petrescu,
Ingénieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, tél 0169089223.
Le 11/07/2016 à 14:57, Job Snijders a= écrit :
Hi,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 02:53:41PM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

I registered for the IETF Berlin a=
nd paid additional Value Added Tax (VAT).

But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - could th=
e
VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the fir=
st
place).

You should consult with your accountant or some other financ=
ial advisor.

Kind regards,

Job

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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1PR0501MB1822; H:SN1PR0501MB1821.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 13 Jul 2016 09:27:32.2874 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB1822 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:27:36 -0000 > On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Kostas Pentikousis wrote: >=20 > | RFID or QR?=20 >=20 > I'm a little bit confused with this thread. If I recall correctly, it sta= rted as a call for volunteers. It morphed into a we-need-better-minutes kin= d-of-discussion focusing primarily on tools and preferences about how to co= llect minutes. Now we're heading toward arguing about RFID- vs. QR-tracked = IETF attendees.=20 To return this to sanity at the cost of humor: A primary obstacle for minutes takers is identifying a speaker. Minutes are meant to be terse and not reflect a full transcript. This mean= s a minutes contributor must be able to: - Identify the speaker (hard if they don't know them) - Reduce potentially a long set of comments to a distilled item for the min= utes (requires sufficient understanding of the materials). -- Jeff From nobody Wed Jul 13 02:30:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B5A12D6B1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z2SOt5xeF4u1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030607010209030500050704" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:34:09 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030607010209030500050704 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------228F3DB19C96316CFD36D0C8" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------228F3DB19C96316CFD36D0C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The advice I got on this list is to go contact my local accountant with=20 this FAQ: https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html Yours, Alexandre Petrescu, Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS, CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223. Le 13/07/2016 =E0 11:26, Harish Chowdhary a =E9crit : > Hi, > > I am also working for a not for profit organization.Kindly suggest a=20 > way to refund the VAT somehow. > > Thanks, > Harish Chowdhary > > From: Alexandre PETRESCU > Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:49:31 > To: Job Snijders > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and=20 > non-profit organizations > > The amount per person (around 120 United States Dollars - why not=20 > Euros, which country's conversion rate) seems high for one=20 > registration but very low compared to the effort needed to recover it. > > There should be VAT exemption applied at the source, otherwise Germany = > wins undeserved money. > Alexandre Petrescu, > Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS, > CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, > alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223. > Le 11/07/2016 =E0 14:57, Job Snijders a =E9crit : >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 02:53:41PM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: >>> I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid additional Value Added Tax = (VAT). >>> >>> But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - co= uld the >>> VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the f= irst >>> place). >> You should consult with your accountant or some other financial adviso= r. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Job >> > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees=20 > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------------------------------- > [NIXI is on Social-Media too. Kindly follow us at: > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nixiindia & Twitter: @inregistry ] > This e-mail is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destr= oy > all copies and the original message. 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The advice I got on t= his list is to go contact my local accountant with this FAQ:=

https= ://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/vat-faq.html

Yours,<= br> 

Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223.
Le 13/07/2016 =E0 11:26, Harish Chowdh= ary a =E9crit=A0:
Hi,

I am also working for a not for profit organization.Kindly suggest a way to refund the VAT somehow.

Thanks,
Harish Chowdhary

From: Alexandre PETRESCU <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr><= br> Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:49:31
To: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations

The amount per person (around 120 United States Dollars - why not Euros, which country's conversion rate) seems high for one registration but very low compared to the effort needed to recover it.

There should be VAT exemption applied at the source, otherwise Germany wins undeserved money. 
Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223.
Le 11/07/2016 =E0 14:57, Job Snijder= s a =E9crit=A0:
Hi,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 02:53:41PM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

I registered for the IETF Berlin and paid additi=
onal Value Added Tax (VAT).

But I work for a non-profit research and technology organization - could =
the
VAT get reimbursed somehow? (and if yes why isn't it deduced in the first=

place).

You should consult with your accountant or some ot=
her financial advisor.

Kind regards,

Job

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96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4F912D6B1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92K7Dq7xYOTw for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C2D212D751 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:34:19 -0700 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Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:34:25 -0000 Hi, I don=B9t agree that the minutes contributor must be able to identity the speaker. As I said earlier, the main purpose (in my opinion) is to write down the issues and outcome. Anyone who is interested in the mic discussions can listen to the recording. Sure, it might be good to indicate who raised an issue etc, but again: the chairs can help by telling the minute contributor by saying =B3Please indicate in the minutes that X raised this issue=B2. Also, if someone gets an action point, the chairs can help by telling the minute contributor by saying =B3Please indicate in the minutes that X got a= n action point to do this and that=B2. So, I don=B9t think technology will help the minute contributor - people will. Regards, Christer On 13/07/16 12:27, "96attendees on behalf of Jeff Haas" <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jhaas@juniper.net> wrote: > >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Kostas Pentikousis >> wrote: >>=20 >> | RFID or QR?=20 >>=20 >> I'm a little bit confused with this thread. If I recall correctly, it >>started as a call for volunteers. It morphed into a >>we-need-better-minutes kind-of-discussion focusing primarily on tools >>and preferences about how to collect minutes. Now we're heading toward >>arguing about RFID- vs. QR-tracked IETF attendees. > >To return this to sanity at the cost of humor: >A primary obstacle for minutes takers is identifying a speaker. > >Minutes are meant to be terse and not reflect a full transcript. This >means a minutes contributor must be able to: >- Identify the speaker (hard if they don't know them) >- Reduce potentially a long set of comments to a distilled item for the >minutes (requires sufficient understanding of the materials). > >-- Jeff > >_______________________________________________ >96attendees mailing list >96attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 13 02:39:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FD712D69F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:SN1PR0501MB1822; H:SN1PR0501MB1821.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 13 Jul 2016 09:39:19.3517 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB1822 Archived-At: Cc: Warren Kumari , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Kostas Pentikousis Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:39:23 -0000 > On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I don=B9t agree that the minutes contributor must be able to identity the > speaker. To clarify, the minutes must have this. An individual minutes taker might = not be able to identify the individuals. For my own part, I sometimes put down an initial from what I think is their= name and hope someone else fills in the details. > [...] > So, I don=B9t think technology will help the minute contributor - people > will. Tools. Processes. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r13sm7871751wmf.12.2016.07.13.02.45.34 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:45:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <4DD0126F-8B4C-4C20-B59D-A483A9AE47F7@vpnc.org> To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:45:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:46:42 -0000 On 11/07/2016 14:46, Warren Kumari wrote: > A number of years ago (I think it was somewhere in Japan, perhaps > Hiroshima?) there was an experiment with RFID badges and (I think) > iPods. This displayed the person's name somewhere where the scribe and > minute taker could see it -- I thought that this was great, but I'm > not sure what the final outcome was, who ran it, etc. I'd like that > back! I am not sure if it was the same experiment but there was one where when you got to the front of the mic line your name and picture was projected to the rest of the room. I thought that was a great idea. If people are concerned about RFID privacy then we could use barcodes. - Stewart From nobody Wed Jul 13 02:59:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337B112DAEE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:59:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ytti-fi.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MVewoIY5aISK for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com (mail-io0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9232712D766 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 38so41540032iol.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:59:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ytti-fi.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PRaaYpM7aVCnhlYZbkfQV5kqwSP/dvvjaCQtXRM2oo0=; b=x92GOEWZHob7XOX6NxsEaoZkHFLtHErIqJLQyNHQ+nkPxWFY4bfM8bMQ9ODtWuqBJC hi67rJ63LuiL66kN+9IAeaRtswYR3j/54Xk4gaLB5F3OSpMSdrFXog4caW1JbZmiCnqz jsOYd3urag7yQezTLQDXAoWZDRpABY/qzAi66+doi3lvynR2PqizxdQq0diAuL+1JKtj l+zx+BEf7gMm5ann3zttDJG693DIX1QdkhnpDgRLjahyhpTu3tdtiocPxh/D4KHraecA jBoYfB4BJ42WIKTpj9oQmHfjnnHLuxXUH0VEGNy47BSWid6eWLA1lAiqv5JSWL9/RKxl TqgQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PRaaYpM7aVCnhlYZbkfQV5kqwSP/dvvjaCQtXRM2oo0=; b=XXePt9Aynd9PTqw/n0nRQtTW2WZjC9tdP4+/RNx7C9xOd3VNpGFBhj31YJzLxJIb+1 6sDtlyst+M7XtEYvgGAq7M7J3t6F77Q7tn24Gp3sfHNuKyLqXxSnXqlFxMk3e7dnkgP9 a8h/k97+Fc8uyGpbeyV98iQ1aQ2u7xMktVFPuq3e28q8reLBwfkJUANIchWYebd04++v E46IltDu5hSXILbi+HmiooeXpt99hKgrzscyiE6iEYAOStj1DeAf4IkxVfW+d+cXWmmF 5uNQeHCaS96X7RI04Dft9RxuJwWNn2gNMCrwCzj69EaK6kvGVO3uukdxG3jvtaSnT+sl zttg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIq+/P89AUPRkmhXlLNiTmmzu0bdxxdM9424MCmBaZovEdXpLzevhwHIM4uE8V6y+IVY1m+Wq0JaiGloA== X-Received: by 10.107.32.13 with SMTP id g13mr7620918iog.125.1468403914873; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:58:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.19.74 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 02:58:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> References: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> From: Saku Ytti Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:58:34 +0300 Message-ID: To: Harish Chowdhary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:59:42 -0000 On 13 July 2016 at 12:26, Harish Chowdhary wrote: > I am also working for a not for profit organization.Kindly suggest a way to > refund the VAT somehow. I'm curious, why is this suddenly problem for the IETF invoice itself, not for other costs incurred. Generally tourists cannot recover hotel bills, coffee cup, metro ticket etc., but can recover VAT from goods exported out of EU. However, if this is business trip, you can recover pretty much everything, as they are all occupational expenses (ostensibly you are only there, as you need to be, to enable your income). In practice how this has worked for me, for every EU employer I've had is that I get obviously all expenses paid by my employer. And they then recover the VATs. It's something I don't have to know or care about, unless I happen to be the employer. If you are the employer, and you don't know how to do this, then accountant is better bet than IETF, unless we start VAT-WG. -- ++ytti From nobody Wed Jul 13 03:09:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E020212D76A for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jeKczmLNshib for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-f66.google.com (mail-lf0-f66.google.com [209.85.215.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D80312B010 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-f66.google.com with SMTP id a10so3433306lfb.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:09:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YWsYZWoEpNvA8e5eHx/6HsWFfvI3UNhBWU49/vK0zro=; b=BowsomuR4DESMz0e25vF01fZ0cczX7r0FEIkBUPQ/u97FUaDbmPxjMx+VOesLwPG/8 QfDv932JRQ4sic/QYR46mg4BTG2YWzJAOu3LnlftyokiSExsD2OEUG3/mCOAuZbuKwai A8Kh/9i4DnUX+iV0AHXNYrJVo0eib4PiSo/Jd8dP1scJhEepd37STEtlO1k9iGlynmbG ap9GpZPOqfyPeU0qYgNy4ncbEZfmLoDuTH0LbR5S0y3NWG9ssDYVdc4yM45DZwFQYwgR 5DVPs19gA9zZ6vraJx0D/unjMFFPIwerLcpUnI+x43gpGYIAnd2UxZ5d+B3YpBLjT1MT ozMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YWsYZWoEpNvA8e5eHx/6HsWFfvI3UNhBWU49/vK0zro=; b=SHcsCO5uARabpQBjoijVaAsIXONHQahuAqwxISmYIq4jMji/fe19JHUV3kpPKibrmP qHFQhh3Z1foFCISCIiBezi46d2pxuECIFdlT7f0QeUSQTa+9Nu1xOYRWK+siUZIf58XT XiWUBa6qRKlt5f6Q7K/BhK+5HuHXJ7WietkyHdM8brSV+5ygXM5b6HZe+gdgz9EHtk4r EQ+t669lvzv33JTA4rpXmljL64ZR+/Am8nMIe+bDWJJxOGuTUweqJX92CWIkDMKivSZc artC87Ur21k/u39xdAknjiAiKtGO/9vUqSAhu/f0YND6uhpdNx1u3JcHh3zoA31ztaeJ xlBA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIU7Bj9NK2147ZK+Vx/pPxkmHcAn2tPGOHarH+1z1fK05g1X90tGrvd14HXGBoKrA== X-Received: by 10.25.91.132 with SMTP id p126mr4224828lfb.15.1468404505124; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro-Marcin.local (84-10-47-190.static.chello.pl. [84.10.47.190]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e22sm5165489lji.1.2016.07.13.03.08.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:08:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Job Snijders , Cristian Varas References: <20160711135446.GO24156@22.rev.meerval.net> From: Marcin Siodelski Message-ID: <32f535b9-8ac6-df8b-3359-e07920bce521@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:08:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160711135446.GO24156@22.rev.meerval.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] PayPal Payment problem X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:09:29 -0000 On 11.07.2016 15:54, Job Snijders wrote: > Hi Cristian, > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 03:51:55PM +0200, Cristian Varas wrote: >> Hello, I just paid my registration using paypal, after paying the page >> didn't return to the IETF page and encountered an "internal server error". >> My paypal account registered the transaction but the IETF page doesn't >> confirm my payment nor I have any receipts. Can somebody help me? > > You (and others with similar issues) should probably reach out to > registrar@ietf.org - provide them with sufficient details about the > issue and I'm sure they'll resolve it in no time. > I had the same problem and I sent email to ietf-action@ietf.org with paypal transaction number and my IETF registration number and they resolved it for me, i.e. confirmed that the payment had gone through and sent the receipt. It took a couple of days for them to resolve it though. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id dq2sm98228wjb.16.2016.07.13.03.14.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:14:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Christer Holmberg , Jeff Haas , Kostas Pentikousis References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:14:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:15:47 -0000 On 13/07/2016 10:34, Christer Holmberg wrote: > I dont agree that the minutes contributor must be able to identity the > speaker. There are IPR reasons why the identity of the speaker may be important at some later time. 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Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:21:47 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:21:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 1601874094293913706 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrgedtgddvfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:21:53 -0000 Le 13/07/2016 11:58, Saku Ytti a crit : > On 13 July 2016 at 12:26, Harish Chowdhary wrote: >> I am also working for a not for profit organization.Kindly suggest a way to >> refund the VAT somehow. > I'm curious, why is this suddenly problem for the IETF invoice itself, > not for other costs incurred. Generally tourists cannot recover hotel > bills, coffee cup, metro ticket etc., but can recover VAT from goods > exported out of EU. > > However, if this is business trip, you can recover pretty much > everything, as they are all occupational expenses (ostensibly you are > only there, as you need to be, to enable your income). > In practice how this has worked for me, for every EU employer I've had > is that I get obviously all expenses paid by my employer. And they > then recover the VATs. It's something I don't have to know or care > about, unless I happen to be the employer. If you are the employer, > and you don't know how to do this, then accountant is better bet than > IETF, unless we start VAT-WG. My accountant said that it would be a lot better if I get an invoice without VAT, as it should be between businesses from 2 different EU countries and providing their EU VAT numbers (and as I use to do when I invoice a business in another EU country). It would be a lot better for everyone if IETF does not bill the VAT, less paperwork and no money to pay in advance (waiting for reimbursement from the country which may come later or never, and additional cost from the accountant for doing the paperwork). Maybe there are specific rules for events like IETF which forbids to do as any other B2B in that case, but the FAQ does not say that. Maybe the FAQ about VAT could be a bit improved with more explanations about the reasons the VAT is invoiced for businesses (or non profit organizations, this is not a source of difference, the difference is if you have a EU VAT number or not) . So, now we get people saying to see with accountant and accountant saying to see with IETF. Looks like that the main question is : must IETF invoice VAT, which is something it is not expected to do in the case a EU VAT number (and/or if it is an US business) is provided? From nobody Wed Jul 13 03:41:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D37712DCAC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C7yhMCZlBGrH for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C0EF912DCAA for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14230 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2016 10:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2016 10:33:06 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id JAYx1t00B2SSUrH01AZ0jU; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:33:04 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ff4+lSgF c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=cAmyUtKerLwA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=4PQaC2QWotDO9Zou0JkA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=HXZaUS1Bg3jFDa5CA64zfUOIA2rM9mkXj1oE+7vXonQ=; b=X6GuzsLsgU42cT/iNadM+KXyNs 1DZ031T7xG4yMsludHAvUbFIUdTvp+XVBLvhArMWTGvQcey/sFFyfcIO3oE/gX3oz5YD9ZaB8B1Ct CZAEuG8tKw5V20CKNQjynnyAC; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:54496 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bNHTP-0005wp-4H; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:32:59 -0600 To: Stewart Bryant , Christer Holmberg , Jeff Haas , Kostas Pentikousis References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <85fb9aa4-0931-2a8b-3b3d-68392712fc44@labn.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:32:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1bNHTP-0005wp-4H X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:54496 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:41:48 -0000 On 7/13/2016 6:14 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > On 13/07/2016 10:34, Christer Holmberg wrote: >> I dont agree that the minutes contributor must be able to identity the >> speaker. > There are IPR reasons why the identity of the speaker may be important > at some later time. +1 I was once accused of violating an NDA. I told the parties as soon as they relayed their "proprietary" information that it was covered in (someone else's) I-D. They didn't believe me at the time, and eventually sent lawyers at me. I got lucky, I had actually made a very minor comment exactly on the topic covered by the "proprietary" at the Mic on the first rev of the individual draft *and* it was recorded in the minutes - a comment I had actually forgotten making. Thankfully the minuting of a minor comment saved me and my employer much time, aggregation and I'm sure money. I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session discussions, with proper attribution. I don't think every word needs to be captured, but I do think the gist of every comment does. Lou > Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Wed Jul 13 04:11:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788D412DDC2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:11:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ytti-fi.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mu2HgrkjeGHE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-f49.google.com (mail-it0-f49.google.com [209.85.214.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A04012DDAE for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-f49.google.com with SMTP id h190so40580556ith.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:11:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ytti-fi.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mECApjp2ljkljEWumQJ/70QcZgpzk+H3Ou1gMRqVArE=; b=CXtb+aZSKbHWms3zPfeYaNOfxXB8yVce1zcz8kDphaWr/o1uszocD7I5OdKtYLezbb SfKOCZkT13unLeh4w45l1X7yY7JQUXt5t64yD7ZtB2V8ZonHtsw5N1FIURefnGBxn61u yL7+kCbHELELPQh+OD2/SkMYf0zaxewRfI8/kLKs2jzWawhwb3RkGQpwtQMLlBOcML2T EykUJk3TsCvIg54FEV2BjIXYbVgY0N+zTtdxeajqeU23QY//F1lV0zxupb+sn6K55lsR W6jo53aYhRiVgi2Qr4riPVBO2vL9MSlWu8E4IUClwAskbcK+JD8ffIkBFMirqjozx2ZW /ODQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mECApjp2ljkljEWumQJ/70QcZgpzk+H3Ou1gMRqVArE=; b=D3mge0MGnDx159aLh6l9u702yIOtNxdSAB5PV+B/BGlRqbdEgA94IJeBCIS87GaaCy 21ZTCjHiHPBOEGHYcSYt/xfm4+jdkz/GSGMLvFwxRp1oDJb8Bn7qbQHh4C1W3YlejCl7 fsCsY5xIL0e0nmGju9bd0gnbziYAoX/IKj77gZEf11Dn98QUmhdoACenkIgTwsXM8aQ8 UR0CGD6Avod8ZIjiPIb8MNy3NxbsrSTGmorTaUgjkaN9tQ0HK2yFy40X3XqBg+W9Zfhf NjzvID6mS0mKLJH46NIlh9//bw19m5PksmSo6e40oyIZG1ZMK3oG5SnwJibkoJwJqnvQ gccg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJ9OBi40OiGIO6MuPsuCusvLhMI1alTWi0i48WFuUgA30QcuKlhyRogj8eFx6n6C58vFHcnWtc5LxytgQ== X-Received: by 10.36.227.13 with SMTP id d13mr8549359ith.18.1468408199266; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:09:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.19.74 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:09:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> References: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> From: Saku Ytti Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:09:58 +0300 Message-ID: To: Jerome Martinez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:11:18 -0000 On 13 July 2016 at 13:21, Jerome Martinez wrote: > My accountant said that it would be a lot better if I get an invoice without > VAT, as it should be between businesses from 2 different EU countries and By better they mean easier to them. But you're not gonna get your flight, cab, metro, hotel, restaurant, coffee without VAT, but you can still recover those VATs too. I see no point making the IETF invoice a special case. Or are you happy to leave VAT for other purchases except IETF conference? -- ++ytti From nobody Wed Jul 13 04:20:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B8212DDDC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o30AqQ9kbIvV for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51E2412DDFC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79386d00000467b-05-578623ffe1fe Received: from ESESSHC022.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.84]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 70.1F.18043.FF326875; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:20:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC022.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:20:30 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Lou Berger , Stewart Bryant , Jeff Haas , Kostas Pentikousis Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers Thread-Index: AQHR3OhrN93RbSgms0OL9KZqT/OEKKAV9jgAgAA1XQD//9fOAIAABRgAgAAsN4A= Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:20:31 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476A3C7C@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> <85fb9aa4-0931-2a8b-3b3d-68392712fc44@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <85fb9aa4-0931-2a8b-3b3d-68392712fc44@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.154] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrDIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2J7iO5/5bZwg03LpS32Tm1istg23cLi zrQOZouO5rcsFqceJFocPnaZyYHNY+esu+weS5b8ZPK43nSV3eP2jT/sHh82NbN53JhRE8AW xWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVxeYVrwXeeio6NjxgbGKdydTFyckgImEhcnnaRGcIWk7hwbz1bFyMX h5DAEUaJc3MnskA4ixkl1iw7CJTh4GATsJDo/qcNEhcRWMQo8fnyV7BuZoEwie8dW1lAaoQF zCS2XjAHCYsImEv03TjPBGH7ScycdIIJpIRFQFXi/St3kDCvgK9E4+25jBCrtjBLfDy5BKye U8BG4s7aPawgNiPQcd9PrWGCWCUucevJfCaIowUkluw5D/WAqMTLx/9YIWwliUW3P0PV60nc mDqFDcLWlli28DUzxGJBiZMzn7BMYBSbhWTsLCQts5C0zELSsoCRZRWjaHFqcXFuupGRXmpR ZnJxcX6eXl5qySZGYBwe3PLbagfjweeOhxgFOBiVeHgVDFrDhVgTy4orcw8xSnAwK4nwnlVq CxfiTUmsrEotyo8vKs1JLT7EKM3BoiTO6/9SMVxIID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmy8TBKdXAmMPtOJ/r f9LbcnfZr3rHHjFu27FQ6+C6nTMfnPGWuVdTlR7w/qfWD8npb5gqiuSvh0RLtXze/UaOYevx C3P27nigqqbxZN4N8/Vb900R0Vd0nG2oMvGUWuv55XtZf/zPFnSVT34UriMf2lq0/K3Kg03X +kwrv3a466vGStkwNT17+oFR+EtrjBJLcUaioRZzUXEiAOoCj/G/AgAA Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:20:50 -0000 Hi, >>> I don=B9t agree that the minutes contributor must be able to identity=20 >>> the speaker. >> There are IPR reasons why the identity of the speaker may be=20 >> important at some later time. >+1 > > I was once accused of violating an NDA. I told the parties as soon as th= ey relayed their "proprietary" information > that it was covered in (someone else's) I-D. They didn't believe me at t= he time, and eventually sent lawyers at me. =20 > I got lucky, I had actually made a very minor comment exactly on the topi= c covered by the "proprietary" at the Mic=20 > on the first rev of the individual draft *and* it was recorded in the min= utes - a comment I had actually forgotten=20 > making. Thankfully the minuting of a minor comment saved me and my emplo= yer much time, aggregation and I'm=20 > sure money. > > I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session discussions, with pr= oper attribution.=20 And the audio recording doesn't fulfil that? And, anyone giving a comment can of course also explicitly ask the note tak= er to make sure the comment is documented in the minutes. > I don't think every word needs to be captured, but I do think the gist of= every comment does. I may be wrong, but I think that is the main reason why it's difficult to f= ind note takers, especially among the non-English native speakers. =20 Also, those who are able to parse the relevant parts of the comments are th= ose who follow the work - and many of those can't/don't want to take notes = because they spend a lot of time behind the mic giving comments themselves = :)=20 Regards, Christer From nobody Wed Jul 13 04:25:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990CD12DE2B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:25:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PqbbVZ9Qv2Js for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 13.mo5.mail-out.ovh.net (13.mo5.mail-out.ovh.net [87.98.182.191]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1FAA12DE0B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player688.ha.ovh.net (b7.ovh.net [213.186.33.57]) by mo5.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97CAFF9A56 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:25:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p508BA514.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.139.165.20]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@francoallemand.eu) by player688.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AFE9420069 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:25:38 +0200 (CEST) References: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:25:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 2680204730218713194 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 30 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrgedtgdefiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecumhhishhsihhnghcuvffquchfihgvlhguucdlfedtmd Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:25:42 -0000 Le 13/07/2016 à 13:09, Saku Ytti a écrit : > On 13 July 2016 at 13:21, Jerome Martinez wrote: > >> My accountant said that it would be a lot better if I get an invoice without >> VAT, as it should be between businesses from 2 different EU countries and > By better they mean easier to them. They don't care, they invoice me for extra work. It is just an advice. > But you're not gonna get your > flight, cab, metro, hotel, restaurant, coffee without VAT, but you > can still recover those VATs too. I see no point making the IETF > invoice a special case. > > Or are you happy to leave VAT for other purchases except IETF conference? I do it low cost and the VAT on the other bills is lower than the cost for retrieving them and/or the cost of being refunded, so no I am not happy but I do what costs me the less (=I don't reclaim VAT for that tiny amount). IETF conference VAT is the thing that makes VAT refund "possible" for me (=above the minimum amount for refund) and as a very small business paying an external accounting service, being billed the VAT from IETF means that I have the choice between doing nothing and lose 100% of the VAT, paying my accountant for doing the paperwork and lose e.g. 25-50% of the VAT due to paperwork and tracking; I just say that having a classic B2B invoice without VAT would permit me (ad others) to save 100% of the VAT. (and now the time of writing this email is some time too so money, in all cases being invoiced with VAT costs me something). Just be aware that we are not all supported by big companies spending a lot for IETF conferences and having a dedicated accountant happy to have more work for free. 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A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_88EDC2914CCF449DBEA9FC9320407653junipernet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 13 Jul 2016 11:34:15.2488 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB1824 Archived-At: Cc: Warren Kumari , Stewart Bryant , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Lou Berger , Kostas Pentikousis Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:34:21 -0000 --_000_88EDC2914CCF449DBEA9FC9320407653junipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 13, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Christer Holmberg > wrote: I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session discussions, with prop= er attribution. And the audio recording doesn't fulfil that? While a different problem, audio recordings are not infallible. Sometimes they don't work. Sometimes they are faint or hard to hear. And far too often, people violate protocol and don't use the microphones. -- Jeff (speaking as a chair who's had to build minutes after the fact some= times) --_000_88EDC2914CCF449DBEA9FC9320407653junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <5031A08E62102B4BB0A1DD121ADD936E@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jul 13, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@eri= csson.com> wrote:

I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session discussions, with prop= er attribution. 

And the audio recording doesn't fulfil that?

While a different problem, audio recordings are not infalli= ble.

Sometimes they don't work.
Sometimes they are faint or hard to hear.
And far too often, people violate protocol and don't use th= e microphones.

-- Jeff (speaking as a chair who's had to build minutes aft= er the fact sometimes)

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Both are necessary. via CloudMagic Email [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=3Dpa&cv=3D8.5.= 49&pv=3D5.1.1&source=3Demail_footer_2] On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:20 AM, = Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com [christer.= holmberg@ericsson.com] > wrote: Hi, >>> I don=C2=B9t agree that the = minutes contributor must be able to identity >>> the speaker. >> There are IPR reasons why the identity of the speaker may be >> important at some later time. >+1 > > I was once accused of violating an= NDA. I told the parties as soon as they relayed their "proprietary" = information > that it was covered in (someone else's) I-D. They didn't = believe me at the time, and eventually sent lawyers at me. > I got lucky, I had actually made a very minor comment exactly on the = topic covered by the "proprietary" at the Mic > on the first rev of the = individual draft *and* it was recorded in the minutes - a comment I had = actually forgotten > making. Thankfully the minuting of a minor comment = saved me and my employer much time, aggregation and I'm > sure money. > > I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session discussions, with = proper attribution. And the audio recording doesn't fulfil that? And, anyone giving a comment can of course also explicitly ask the note = taker to make sure the comment is documented in the minutes. > I don't think every word needs to be captured, but I do think the gist of= every comment does. I may be wrong, but I think that is the main reason = why it's difficult to find note takers, especially among the non-English = native speakers. Also, those who are able to parse the relevant parts of = the comments are those who follow the work - and many of those can't/don't = want to take notes because they spend a lot of time behind the mic giving = comments themselves :) Regards, Christer _______________________________= ________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees ------sinikael-?=_1-14684097708040.25465343287214637 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Audio recordings cannot replace searchable text files. Both = are necessary. 

On Wed, Jul 13, = 2016 at 8:20 AM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> = wrote:

Hi,

>>> I don=C2=B9t agree that the minutes contributor must be able = to identity=20
>>> the speaker.
>> There  are= IPR reasons why the identity of the speaker may be=20
>> important at some later time.
>+1
>
> I was once accused of violating an NDA.  I told the parties as = soon as they relayed their "proprietary" information
> that it was covered in (someone else's) I-D.  They didn't believe= me at the time, and eventually sent lawyers at me. =20
> I got lucky, I had actually made a very minor comment exactly on the = topic covered by the "proprietary" at the Mic=20
> on the first rev of the individual draft *and* it was recorded in the = minutes - a comment I had actually forgotten=20
> making.  Thankfully the minuting of a minor comment saved me and = my employer much time, aggregation and I'm=20
> sure money.
>
> I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session = discussions, with proper attribution.=20

And the audio recording doesn't fulfil that?

And, anyone giving a comment can of course also explicitly ask the note = taker to make sure the comment is documented in the minutes.

> I don't think every word needs to be captured, but I do think the gist= of every comment does.

I may be wrong, but I think that is the = main reason why it's difficult to find note takers, especially among the = non-English native speakers.
=20
Also, those who are able to = parse the relevant parts of the comments are those who follow the work - = and many of those can't/don't want to take notes because they spend a lot = of time behind the mic giving comments themselves :)=20

Regards,=

Christer

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tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4QjVtuwRlRWu for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCB4712DEAF for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.18] (h87-96-134-129.cust.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7183042AB; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:38:02 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:38:01 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7DBCB5BC-5F28-46F2-9CA2-3F42AD3BB0C4@edvina.net> References: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> To: Jerome Martinez X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Olle E Johansson Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:38:08 -0000 > On 13 Jul 2016, at 12:21, Jerome Martinez = wrote: >=20 > Le 13/07/2016 =E0 11:58, Saku Ytti a =E9crit : >> On 13 July 2016 at 12:26, Harish Chowdhary wrote: >>> I am also working for a not for profit organization.Kindly suggest a = way to >>> refund the VAT somehow. >> I'm curious, why is this suddenly problem for the IETF invoice = itself, >> not for other costs incurred. Generally tourists cannot recover hotel >> bills, coffee cup, metro ticket etc., but can recover VAT from goods >> exported out of EU. >>=20 >> However, if this is business trip, you can recover pretty much >> everything, as they are all occupational expenses (ostensibly you are >> only there, as you need to be, to enable your income). >> In practice how this has worked for me, for every EU employer I've = had >> is that I get obviously all expenses paid by my employer. And they >> then recover the VATs. It's something I don't have to know or care >> about, unless I happen to be the employer. If you are the employer, >> and you don't know how to do this, then accountant is better bet than >> IETF, unless we start VAT-WG. >=20 > My accountant said that it would be a lot better if I get an invoice = without VAT, as it should be between businesses from 2 different EU = countries and providing their EU That=92s the default, but does NOT apply to conferences, music concerts = and similar events where the service is produced locally and consumed locally, it=92s not exported. I=92ve = had numerous discussions with VAT authorities=20 in multiple countries about that, as it unfortunately applies to my = trainings as well. For an IETF conference you have to pay the local VAT, and then reclaim = it in the EU country you live in. Yes, this is bad for everyone. /O= From nobody Wed Jul 13 04:46:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E80212DE9A for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:46:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id urLIei4OAzFj for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 12.mo5.mail-out.ovh.net (12.mo5.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.39.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FDAB12DE6B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player688.ha.ovh.net (b7.ovh.net [213.186.33.57]) by mo5.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B87FFBC40 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:46:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p508BA514.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.139.165.20]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@francoallemand.eu) by player688.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06040200C9 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:45:13 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> <7DBCB5BC-5F28-46F2-9CA2-3F42AD3BB0C4@edvina.net> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <7371c22d-c055-82a4-49ef-ef7681c08ca5@mediaarea.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:45:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7DBCB5BC-5F28-46F2-9CA2-3F42AD3BB0C4@edvina.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 3011219303611633770 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeeltddrgedtgdeflecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:46:33 -0000 Le 13/07/2016 13:38, Olle E. Johansson a crit : > [...] > Thats the default, but does NOT apply to conferences, music concerts and similar events where the service > is produced locally and consumed locally, its not exported. Ive had numerous discussions with VAT authorities > in multiple countries about that, as it unfortunately applies to my trainings as well. Thanks for the explanation, now I understand better the difference between what I use to see (it is exported) and IETF VAT. I actually didn't get it because I pay it from my country (I pay restaurant and so on locally). I guess it should be added to the VAT FAQ so people don't try anymore to understand the reason they are billed the VAT and don't use to be billed the VAT when they pay from their country (before going to the conference) So great, more paperwork and more money for the accountant. > > For an IETF conference you have to pay the local VAT, and then reclaim it in the EU country you live in. > > Yes, this is bad for everyone. > > /O > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 13 04:54:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E519C12DEEE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7l-iqRG8hBKM for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA42712DE9C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 04:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.18] (h87-96-134-129.cust.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 775E942AB; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:47:56 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A73D9390-9F87-4A8E-8525-92B84AF0CFB9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: <8484DF55-A317-4C6A-89B3-DA4E8AF5CB0C@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:47:56 +0200 Message-Id: <61FBC413-18F1-4229-91C6-82CBEDE1F56C@edvina.net> References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> <8484DF55-A317-4C6A-89B3-DA4E8AF5CB0C@juniper.net> To: Jeff Haas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Kostas Pentikousis , Olle E Johansson , Christer Holmberg , Stewart Bryant , Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:54:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A73D9390-9F87-4A8E-8525-92B84AF0CFB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 13 Jul 2016, at 13:37, Jeff Haas wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christer Holmberg = > = wrote: >>=20 >> Now, perhaps I have misunderstood what the minutes are supposed to >> contain, but if I=E2=80=99m expected to write down everything that is = said behind >> the mic, and by whom, I will no longer volunteer to take notes. >=20 > The goals are: > The gist of the comments. > Action items. > The speaker. >=20 > Minute takers are not perfect. This is why we strongly encourage = either multiple takers or collaborative tools such as Etherpad. >=20 > At the end of the day, it's the chairs' responsibilities to ensure = adequate minutes happen. >=20 >> There are >> people with great skills in writing down in what people say in = real-time, >> and I am not one of them... >=20 > Nor should you be required to do so. Seems like this should be documented, like the RFC for jabber scribes. /O --Apple-Mail=_A73D9390-9F87-4A8E-8525-92B84AF0CFB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On 13 Jul 2016, at 13:37, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> = wrote:


On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:

Now, perhaps I have misunderstood what the minutes are supposed to
contain, but if I=E2=80=99m expected to write down everything that is said = behind
the mic, and by whom, I will no longer volunteer to take notes. =

The goals are:
The gist of the comments.
Action items.
The speaker.

Minute takers are not perfect.  This is why we = strongly encourage either multiple takers or collaborative tools such as = Etherpad.

At the end of the day, it's the chairs' responsibilities = to ensure adequate minutes happen.

There are
people with great skills in writing down in what people say in = real-time,
and I am not one of them...

Nor should you be required to do so.

Seems like this = should be documented, like the RFC for jabber scribes.

/O

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On 13/07/2016 12:20, Christer Holmberg wrote:
I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session discussions, with proper attribution. 

And the audio recording doesn't fulfil that?

Not without a clearly articulated name, but that was one of the problems that this tread called up.

Stewart
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Please check out the site and let the team know what you think via = ietfjournal@isoc.org. The latest issue of the IETF Journal (Volume 12, Issue 1) is now = available online: Our cover article this issue was prompted by a presentation and debate = that took place in the sunset4 Working Group on the subject of declaring = IPv4 Historic. Read Lee Howard=E2=80=99s and Geoff Huston=E2=80=99s = perspectives and make up your own mind! In addition, we have Working Group updates from L3SM and TAPS, = observations from one of the Internet Society Fellowship to the IETF = Programme participants, a view from the pre-IETF Hackathon, and an = article about a potential new technology direction for the IETF, namely = Intelligent Transportation Systems. You can read this issue online or download the full issue in PDF format. = You can also keep up to date with the latest issue by subscribing to the = IETF Journal as an email edition or have it delivered to your postal = address in hardcopy. Hardcopies will be available as usual at the upcoming IETF 96 meeting in = Berlin, Germany. Many thanks to all our contributors. Please send any comments or = suggestions for future issues to ietfjournal@isoc.org. 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Could someone fix this on the website? Thanks, Humberto Galiza From nobody Wed Jul 13 07:47:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A68412DA27 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:47:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yP2JswsrNr7R for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A45D12D965 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6DEkvO9003798 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:46:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.4] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Jeff Haas" Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: Warren Kumari , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Kostas Pentikousis Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:47:00 -0000 On 13 Jul 2016, at 4:27, Jeff Haas wrote: >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Kostas Pentikousis >> wrote: >> >> | RFID or QR? >> >> I'm a little bit confused with this thread. If I recall correctly, it >> started as a call for volunteers. It morphed into a >> we-need-better-minutes kind-of-discussion focusing primarily on tools >> and preferences about how to collect minutes. Now we're heading >> toward arguing about RFID- vs. QR-tracked IETF attendees. > > To return this to sanity at the cost of humor: > A primary obstacle for minutes takers is identifying a speaker. > > Minutes are meant to be terse and not reflect a full transcript. This > means a minutes contributor must be able to: > - Identify the speaker (hard if they don't know them) > - Reduce potentially a long set of comments to a distilled item for > the minutes (requires sufficient understanding of the materials). One important consideration for new note-takers: All of this is best-effort. I see lots of minutes that say "could not hear name". And chairs can and will do more distillation in post-production. Ben. From nobody Wed Jul 13 07:50:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8790B12DA61 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FfYNHtC3J9y for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DFAFA12D8D9 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24728 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2016 14:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2016 14:10:50 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id JCxv1t00X2SSUrH01CxyFu; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:58:03 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=OPe0g0qB c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=cAmyUtKerLwA:10 a=ZU8Tr25_nRXbvHId56kA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=upgUMcButwZZXjscpJB4jd+pbNBMgdHs5XE/D7WiWo4=; b=qGg4X0/H7YMawfNsYTOTkWOqVF p3IKTq1scpeuakvevvHTAcubfm5bpr/6lmjfMIg5Bafyfs2hMSXlUkHE0jBMz9RDJDhRuD/oJ3WRQ 7YxWvqdH2JptalICBqQLlXaWu; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:37090 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bNJjg-0003wL-Vu; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:57:57 -0600 To: Christer Holmberg , Stewart Bryant , Jeff Haas , Kostas Pentikousis References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> <85fb9aa4-0931-2a8b-3b3d-68392712fc44@labn.net> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476A3C7C@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:57:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476A3C7C@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1bNJjg-0003wL-Vu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:37090 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:50:08 -0000 On 7/13/2016 7:20 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi, > >>>> I dont agree that the minutes contributor must be able to identity >>>> the speaker. >>> There are IPR reasons why the identity of the speaker may be >>> important at some later time. >> +1 >> >> I was once accused of violating an NDA. I told the parties as soon as they relayed their "proprietary" information >> that it was covered in (someone else's) I-D. They didn't believe me at the time, and eventually sent lawyers at me. >> I got lucky, I had actually made a very minor comment exactly on the topic covered by the "proprietary" at the Mic >> on the first rev of the individual draft *and* it was recorded in the minutes - a comment I had actually forgotten >> making. Thankfully the minuting of a minor comment saved me and my employer much time, aggregation and I'm >> sure money. >> >> I'm now a strong proponent of detailed of in-session discussions, with proper attribution. > And the audio recording doesn't fulfil that? I don't think so. It is far easier and faster to review minutes than hours of recordings. More importantly, this is also true for those who can't make it to the meeting but are still active in the WG. > And, anyone giving a comment can of course also explicitly ask the note taker to make sure the comment is documented in the minutes. Yes, this is part of the reason I'm a fan of etherpad as it allows real time checking/note taking. > >> I don't think every word needs to be captured, but I do think the gist of every comment does. > I may be wrong, but I think that is the main reason why it's difficult to find note takers, especially among the non-English native speakers. If someone prefers verbatim note taking, this also works. > Also, those who are able to parse the relevant parts of the comments are those who follow the work - and many of those can't/don't want to take notes because they spend a lot of time behind the mic giving comments themselves :) That's certainly a problem I can relate to... Lou > Regards, > > Christer > > From nobody Wed Jul 13 07:50:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936C312DBF0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:50:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rh6dzxEDuLUV for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sandvine.com (Mail1.sandvine.com [64.7.137.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 085D612DBDB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WTL-EXCHP-2.sandvine.com ([fe80::68ac:f071:19ff:3455]) by wtl-exchp-1.sandvine.com ([fe80::ac6b:cc1e:f2ff:93aa%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:50:24 -0400 From: Dave Dolson To: Ben Campbell , Jeff Haas Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers Thread-Index: AQHR3Ohs/IuOmRHlbk+vOGaujmsWJ6AWWs0AgABZP4D//71dwA== Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:50:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.200.63] x-c2processedorg: b2f06e69-072f-40ee-90c5-80a34e700794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Kostas Pentikousis , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Warren Kumari Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:50:27 -0000 On more than one occasion, I've seen "name(?)" or "Dave Wilson" or "could n= ot hear" beside something I said after the minutes are sent out. Read the minutes after they go out for review and send corrections. -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Ca= mpbell Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:47 AM To: Jeff Haas Cc: Warren Kumari; 96attendees@ietf.org; Kostas Pentikousis Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers On 13 Jul 2016, at 4:27, Jeff Haas wrote: >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Kostas Pentikousis=20 >> wrote: >> >> | RFID or QR? >> >> I'm a little bit confused with this thread. If I recall correctly, it=20 >> started as a call for volunteers. It morphed into a=20 >> we-need-better-minutes kind-of-discussion focusing primarily on tools=20 >> and preferences about how to collect minutes. Now we're heading=20 >> toward arguing about RFID- vs. QR-tracked IETF attendees. > > To return this to sanity at the cost of humor: > A primary obstacle for minutes takers is identifying a speaker. > > Minutes are meant to be terse and not reflect a full transcript. This=20 > means a minutes contributor must be able to: > - Identify the speaker (hard if they don't know them) > - Reduce potentially a long set of comments to a distilled item for=20 > the minutes (requires sufficient understanding of the materials). One important consideration for new note-takers: All of this is=20 best-effort. I see lots of minutes that say "could not hear name". And=20 chairs can and will do more distillation in post-production. Ben. _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 13 12:12:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4DE12D0B2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sNbDUG5SnPAC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A196D12B05C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6939; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468437117; x=1469646717; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=5ez1L1tKW68a2T45gKpLkwffq2fCiazFjtwLy/sNaFY=; b=EAoQIdO41RE9jlvBU82PySgVzgQ8S/CL9HIQb4fNCINzX59U4T0o5xH+ X00A2JAcXWaKkhXOwu3/Dj3OpC1BArCmNO7hsPrUxbR4C5nbdhihIclhZ QfVl55eSsLHPdEHckYP6CY5ZyIXjIDL3nUiMxAObFFiElWn7tmpiX3Pvx Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BaAgCgkYZX/4cNJK1bgnBOVoECs16FB?= =?us-ascii?q?IF7JIcoOBQBAQEBAQEBZRwLhGMtOyMBLVMmAQQbiCgOojWeVQEBAQEBAQQBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBGwWGKo5pBZkcAYEzhF2IP482kBYBHjaDcYkmfwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,358,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="297467178" Received: from alln-core-2.cisco.com ([173.36.13.135]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 13 Jul 2016 19:11:56 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (xch-rtp-013.cisco.com [64.101.220.153]) by alln-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6DJBuLO029226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:11:56 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:11:55 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:11:55 -0400 From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Subscribing to Network Elements @ IETF96 - Thursday 10AM Thread-Index: AdHdOmmIDdJ9wkwKQoWPE90xD3KpQA== Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:11:55 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.56.232] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_a5a34b798ee6450fa274f39ab21554b2XCHRTP013ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Subscribing to Network Elements @ IETF96 - Thursday 10AM X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:11:59 -0000 --_000_a5a34b798ee6450fa274f39ab21554b2XCHRTP013ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polling is inefficient. Subscribing to Events & YANG Datastores is coming = to address this. General subscription capabilities are long overdue for Network Elements. W= ith subscriptions, an Operator can see and react to configuration / operati= onal changes as they occur. This will enable new services, as well as help= protect the network when SDN controllers, NMS, and CLI entries are providi= ng conflicting guidance. RFC 7923 provides requirements for YAN= G Subscriptions. Within NETCONF, contributors are working technology drafts. These draf= ts are: YANG Datastore Push draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push Subscriptions for Event Notifications (RFC5277bis) draft-gonzalez-netconf-5277bis NETCONF Transport for Event Notifications draft-gonzalez-netconf-event-notifications RESTCONF & HTTP Transport for Event Notifications draft-voit-netconf-restconf-notif Thursday in Berlin we are going to provide an overview of these drafts, and= some use cases enabled. Come join us. 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Polling is inefficient.  Subscribing to Events = & YANG Datastores is coming to address this. 

 

General subscription capabilities are long overdue f= or Network Elements.  With subscriptions, an Operator can see and reac= t to configuration / operational changes as they occur.  This will ena= ble new services, as well as help protect the network when SDN controllers, NMS, and CLI entries are providing conflicti= ng guidance.

 

RFC = 7923 provides requirements for YANG Subscriptions.   Within N= ETCONF, contr= ibutors are working technology drafts.   These drafts are:&nb= sp;

 

YANG Datastore Push

draft-ietf-netconf-yan= g-push

 

Subscriptions for Event N= otifications  (RFC5277bis)

draft-gonzalez-netconf-5277bis

 

NETCONF Transport for Eve= nt Notifications

draft-gonzalez-netconf-event-notifications 

 

RESTCONF & HTTP Trans= port for Event Notifications

draft-voit-netconf-restconf-notif

 

Thursday in Berlin we are going to provide an overvi= ew of these drafts, and some use cases enabled.  Come join us.

 

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--_000_a5a34b798ee6450fa274f39ab21554b2XCHRTP013ciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Jul 13 16:44:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A398212DA14 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DwVeDZIIRght for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 059FA12DA10 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [75.98.19.133]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C4B21F8FC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sandelman.ca (quigon.sandelman.ca [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D6CCA0D7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:45:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "96attendees\@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> In-reply-to: References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <6693D534-923B-4690-920F-5557F2D47215@nostrum.com> Comments: In-reply-to kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com message dated "Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:20:39 -0400." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: <10041.1468453511@sandelman.ca> Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:44:45 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {why is this on 96attendees and not wgchairs?} kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com wrote: >> In my opinion, we really need the minutes. They provide the >> documentation behind any decisions or other progress made in the >> meetings. I don't know how many times I've seen post-meeting >> discussions end up with people checking minutes because no one quite >> remembers what was decided (Or they don't remember the same thing.) >> They are also critical to people who are unable to attend the meetin= g. > I agree and have needed them to verify discussion points in WGs I > followed part way through their work. This should be easy but, it often isn't. The agenda should really have a list of questions/issues anticipated. Clearly that list might not be complete because *mic discussion*, but it ought to be easy for the minute taker to paste the agenda in to the etherpad and go from there. I'm generally still skeptical that we need the list of who spoke for the minutes, but rather, a brief summary of what was said. (Who can help) The jabber scribe of who is speaking can be very important for remote peopl= e, however.=20 =2D-=20 Michael Richardson =2Don the road- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXhtKGAAoJEKD0KQ7Gj3P2nxwIAKlEGSsd3UI7u/IciLULvfvl kT/IAfvyySNTSEELdOi+7MCSz3RWecJKRMLukZ417hCbxjA9cd1a7+XdkQt6yGor oIPoL2OhIcuUD73sYV8JshGRnaY9uTPifJSEUIYq4jlNnlKA140K6E+upKihBuAu IQb1iXlSCaJzs6b+v5IV9wkQXlnSarkUDTnlijd+UyTd399YVSPqDkIZJs00zkeC IgL7W1cVqq9PHzw7VnLFyAt9ZXKxt2nDskG19t6gQDG/SYC5KZgSvQjNG4goCO3l X0uE/Wc2ruurh97+6WjYg0Oh/IIH46SDVDR2u1b2JHmk5SX+nMDG7U47JF89p3A= =EASz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 13 22:56:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C5712D737 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id duAfJUM3ESsx for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x235.google.com (mail-it0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F67012D6A9 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x235.google.com with SMTP id f6so39080562ith.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:56:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=/IGLzkqwkYYkydRoeclgOIiYT12ZX/21tD9x4R2rSws=; b=Krc9AUaHl8OL8djbpjTHS5Qz1swRQwzzrP6au3v77iNxUJlBIXAxiu7FexntIyDxqO EE1zodtajHrJHB03kvePlIi0pnIBNPkoRnIqxsCSg8iFlzZ+OnSvyGWO0P8hcETwLH8B osinYk2Vu8HYMJs/ElZ7Nu7DUwpc0y9CxftJz8yZEJkKCprLEUf62ZYmFOkQ3QK3hhNN h6NGH/ziyrWUqZ/RQpn+0VoqQ3btJ1RSF1LzoN96lzRsdq0GFQt3iTVUVtAOTb29sJFR D+7OXVEOiMlzrzdh+wUIazOnRcT75+Yl2xcTrJbiKHdNBA5C4PrbElOK+0MO6EDy/r11 AkUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/IGLzkqwkYYkydRoeclgOIiYT12ZX/21tD9x4R2rSws=; b=fbN3X3kFaZlL5LbnuwHqfsaW9NuxMgo+CtbM6/aaz1kOFY1F07uZK8kxBua0wvs+h2 gUBcx7AqoTc1dk22iu/b//6n6yhhwi9wgUXaPCEAuTd/yNR/ta7H8H+49b06xUJxzlfA rs/6Vr2hc8F4OI/GBxZ4n63wVdVwZnzuOf0EFtd+jdC3/I8IxfzyQO39MlSQiW/vLSUh cWyAVkpmw6MOjJ6XCWH30ov9RO9XJvZesmaVBmwnXr7mdGK8+lSA5Wj2XRHFlSCd7JvE JUcm9Vo1L70rc22bYwT7VpcBi7EAQZCZ2PLfETyljhK1k4g2ozKgiikiZRNfwwIwNqPI HbOg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLnXXg7HgKX1HSYghkUs7cxF+FWhLLg2Rvu+P/RZ2oAqodwXIyYenfrRyYhY8hI2TY0paPIyLRNr+BDFw== X-Received: by 10.36.13.19 with SMTP id 19mr27380013itx.76.1468475784433; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:56:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.153.78 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:56:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160712200921.33032.qmail@ary.lan> References: <20160712194301.GK7377@cisco.com> <20160712200921.33032.qmail@ary.lan> From: Barry Leiba Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:56:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fv7GyWYqM2kDYhu9qlIWS3OsWks Message-ID: To: ietf@johnlevine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Toerless Eckert Subject: Re: [96attendees] old airports X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:56:27 -0000 > Indeed, I like it too, but I think a lot of people would love even > more to be able to fly to Berlin directly from North America and Asia > without changing in Frankfurt. You mean like UA 962 (to) and UA 963 (fro)? From nobody Thu Jul 14 01:07:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864D612B028 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 01:07:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3-8mexdOAj3d for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 01:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C3C8128E19 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 01:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2723DA4; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:07:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1468483641; bh=S5xcumJ94l7Xajwp5SPNmwQ1JAgunpfBB3hXFjSsTLQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=2Z+SoO0yO7czLS+4bKWIRg2pO2Uf8CPQSwdIDjnF0I7kK5PCQVRH5l+FJfgW29KNv qNcEw/XyfqqcDF3jmgES0lg4BQGZL64sv/M+Tlj+3QO9Mwb1kq6ff2nRhZpwZI+8mN efyBqThZbsg+r+oa2kgP4oRT+a5hfPX6bevy6Scg= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2234AA3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:07:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:07:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20160712194301.GK7377@cisco.com> <20160712200921.33032.qmail@ary.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] old airports X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:07:25 -0000 On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Barry Leiba wrote: >> Indeed, I like it too, but I think a lot of people would love even >> more to be able to fly to Berlin directly from North America and Asia >> without changing in Frankfurt. > > You mean like UA 962 (to) and UA 963 (fro)? There is also AB7248 (JFK) and HU490 (Beijing). But yes, compared to the intercontinental flights coming into DUS and FRA, this is of course very few. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Thu Jul 14 03:58:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9FD12D81C for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCEGlpn7xrRG for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E99C12D77C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:58:07 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79936d0000030e4-39-5787703e572e Received: from ESESSHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.24]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 5B.7C.12516.E3077875; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:58:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC002.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.24]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:58:05 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Lap swimming in Berlin Thread-Index: AQHR3b6YOXg3ARs1vkiSZqR0dYAx7w== Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:58:04 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.5.160527 x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.147] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3AD4BEDBF4Echristerholmbergericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmplkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbFdQteuoD3cYM4pUYu9U5uYHBg9liz5 yRTAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVsXFFSkGXRcWD86/ZGxgbDLsYOTgkBEwk9r+z7mLkBDLFJC7c W8/WxcjFISRwhFFiReNkRghnMaPE+3VLmUAa2AQsJLr/aYM0iAgYSuz4vo4ZxBYWkJf4cHIO O0iJiICKxLEzGhAlehKPr61jB7FZBFQlbkz7yQxSwitgJXHxXg1ImBFo7fdTa5hAbGYBcYlb T+YzQZwjILFkz3lmCFtU4uXjf6wgtijQyO9fZzNDXK8kMW1rGkRrvMSOz3sYQWxeAUGJkzOf sExgFJ6FZOosJGWzkJRBxA0k3p+bzwxha0ssW/gaytaX2PjlLCOEbS1x/uc5FDULGDlWMYoW pxYX56YbGeulFmUmFxfn5+nlpZZsYgRGzsEtv3V3MK5+7XiIUYCDUYmHd0FjW7gQa2JZcWXu IUYJDmYlEd6bee3hQrwpiZVVqUX58UWlOanFhxilOViUxHn9XyqGCwmkJ5akZqemFqQWwWSZ ODilGhgjhTckKR1virRXuNr65ilXeL2gzjzjRp55Ozi+xjvWVBcxLF9g5mK28Y32xB9vOHkd 7iaKi/zf2cqQv1V88RZl3p3NcwWXHi57mWDHUL/zTm1lkMixyshyBj9udXEBDZ91z5IFGy0M 93w+Vzj9Y93H9UG7E/xtTvmpzV0WU7Up/vSsWRf31iuxFGckGmoxFxUnAgCVqTP/mAIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:58:10 -0000 --_000_D3AD4BEDBF4Echristerholmbergericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools =96 both outdoor= in indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally ve= ry nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during = summer. Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are open d= uring the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportpark= -sse/ Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) If you=92re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a Coke i= n a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with t= he hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitab= le: htt= p://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ Regards, Christer --_000_D3AD4BEDBF4Echristerholmbergericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <60C82DDA080F3A4FB032327B5A669558@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools =96 both outdoor= in indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally ve= ry nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during = summer.

Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are open d= uring the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel.


Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m):


U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google)


Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m):


U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google)



Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europ= asportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m):

http://www.berliner= baeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportpark-sse/

Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, a= ccording to Google)


If you=92re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a Coke i= n a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with t= he hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitab= le:



Regards,

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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01D1DDD3.E40C3BE0" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Jul 2016 11:30:32.6283 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB4PR07MB347 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA02Sa0hTYRjHe7ez43G6OK6ZDyrKlkJYmklaXugGUX4oEwlDR7X0sI102s6a 6ScTNsMxy1LSJWWlE03xgqUlQltesoLmpVLpgmWYiWaGzAu6dnYm9O33Pv//8z7/9+EluMIJ nj+hVGkotUqWJcH5WNXZzpjwibzi1EiDPuhAT0UR5zA6UVu7wjmN0vgJmVSWUkup9xy8wFfY aqxY7nAdumof9ilEjipUgjwJIPfBQreOy/J2sH1pwUsQnxCSvQieNTXyGEFIvkIwU6ZkBIw0 cuHj+wbEuj4gqK5+6T70I1iYe4EzLTiZAA1Wu1MgCBEpB5tNypS3kTugYXoIY8sh0P92J1MW kVFQUm3mMIyRoTAyuOoaLCDToH7xN2JDxEHdQ70rqScZD336Hx4MI2dq++smVy+X9IOJqfsc 9jUimBx6g7PsCzPfN3isPwMWx408JgKQYugtz2MtJ8HSzIzlO3kOh3cjgxgrHIMO8w03J0Cl 4Y57W0pwtOvc98fB9bIBd3MXAt1IuXu9gbC8+Bxnhbs4DPWb3a+hoL5Zh26iMNN/wU1OH5c0 IrC2NnmYXBvwgcGqKYw1pcOyYcNpIpwcAfo2xJaDoXOumstyODimN3kXmB/MujkeKlctOMti KDdMerAcDbN9f1AN8mpEvjRF09nyqKgISq3MoOkcVYSK0rQj5y+zdKzFdSHL9BErIgkk8RbU XNOnCnkyLZ2fbUUhznu+tT62IX9MlaOiJCKBTlucKhRkyvILKHXOefWVLIq2ogACk/gJkmbE qUJSLtNQlygql1JvqhzC078QaTuDDaeqTHIp99blv/NbeNldZ9qfti41j3orqBRFTOl4xui5 Lr7Ud3x9yJaeEjsHPeKKUFHor7YKO6dhi+ZQ0nxk0ldR4lg31vRp6+7gUkuyt7LoyUBBwEry wO17BWuBIUVBDlH3I2Px0c/D0osV+4/HtPz00qy0JK7HjkWjJQlGK2R7w7hqWvYPoX8kgG0D AAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:30:40 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01D1DDD3.E40C3BE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00B8_01D1DDD3.E40C3BE0" ------=_NextPart_001_00B8_01D1DDD3.E40C3BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any case it seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) But the outdoors pools are of course more fun if the weather is nice. /Ingemar From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin Hi, Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools - both outdoor in indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally very nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during summer. Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are open during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportpark- sse/ Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) If you're not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a Coke in a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with the hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitable: http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ Regards, Christer ------=_NextPart_001_00B8_01D1DDD3.E40C3BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

I was = looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool (http://= www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any case it = seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km)

But the = outdoors pools are of course more fun if the weather is = nice.

 

/Ingemar=

 

 

 

From:<= /b> = 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Christer Holmberg
Sent: den 14 juli 2016 = 12:58
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: = [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin

 

H= i,

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B= erlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools – both = outdoor in indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in = architecturally very nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem = to be closed during summer.

<= o:p> 

B= elow are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are open = during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting = hotel.

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S= ommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m):<= o:p>

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U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to = Google)

 

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S= ommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m):<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

 

U= -bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to = Google)

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<= o:p> 

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Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im = Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 = m):

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Bus: = 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to = Google)

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I= f you’re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a = Coke in a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest = draft with the hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may = be more suitable:

<= o:p> 

 

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:36:30 -0000 --B_3551352002_4338124 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3551352002_4356180" --B_3551352002_4356180 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi, >I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any case it seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) Thanks, I missed that one :) Note, though, that if you want to swim early in the morning it=B9s only possible a couple of days a week, and a couple of days a week it=B9s closed all together. Regards, Christer =20 =20 =20 From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin =20 Hi, =20 Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools =AD both outdoor i= n indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally very nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during summer. =20 Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are open during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. =20 =20 Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): =20 http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ =20 U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) =20 =20 Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): =20 http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ =20 U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) =20 =20 =20 Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): =20 http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportpark= - sse/ =20 Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) =20 =20 If you=B9re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a Coke in = a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with the hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitable: =20 http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ =20 =20 Regards, =20 Christer --B_3551352002_4356180 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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= >I was looking to go to Tiergarten which i= s of course an indoor pool (http://www.berlinerbaeder= .de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any= case it seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km)


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--001a113e392e246f510538180b22-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 14:41:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9FE12D7DE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G7jw_WC0DPNW for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B351A12D84B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:41:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2870; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469050890; x=1470260490; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=RG4AsBKl5A7OmWz+BZ4nwlB3yogsNVSpto5uDyAn1Eo=; b=hZ2U/9vj5LN39uco+1vsnA5M3d20etw0bm5mi3EP+dbOLPan0f7osaaq BV+QAP3EMXM+MOKcZFA7cPyqjO3yQS+04jO/N2qRiyQsHPfiHGXW+j53M WQfWD9b9MFw6xieU1nj+YAhfcFio5Ts9F9nMvvRGQaZ5y7lnoze5AMj5L M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DhHABR749X/4wNJK1dgz9WLU+sRIwbg?= =?us-ascii?q?XsihS5KAoE1ORMBAQEBAQEBZSeEXQEFAQE4LgYEBxALGAklDwUNBjYTiBYDFw6?= =?us-ascii?q?5Ew2ECQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcFiXSBA4JDh1gFjwCJcjSJDoM2g?= =?us-ascii?q?hQKjzmIJYd7IAEzhBMcMocnAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,396,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="300257821" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 20 Jul 2016 21:41:29 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6KLfTt9020010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:41:29 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6KLfTrF013497; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:41:29 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6KLfTbN013496; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:41:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:41:29 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Livingood, Jason" Message-ID: <20160720214129.GR7377@cisco.com> References: <20160720212050.GQ7377@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160720212050.GQ7377@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:41:33 -0000 Ok, more seriously: I do like t-shirts. I've never heard colleages complain about the concept of getting IETF t-shirts and i've seen many of them wearing IETF t-shirts at work or even other folks on the street (admittedly SF bay area, so maybe not representative). When you order on the registration page, some adjustment for size because of regional differences might be good (i just oder 1 size larger in asia). Adding a "spend money for good cause" option instead of t-shirt might be good too. Post-event voting on the t-shirt would be nice because there have been great and there have been really bad t-shirts. This could help sponsors to easier figure out what a great t-shirt would be like. Other than that: Try to beat the Kabletown lanyard. Thats still the most funny swag from a sponsor i've gotten @ IETF. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 02:20:50PM -0700, Toerless Eckert wrote: > A couple of IETFs ago when i'd experimented with a remote chairing setup, > we had a video-conf from a sock-puppet as a WG chair with some Greg Shepherd as > the puppeteer. > > If we ever want to challenge relationships with "serious" standard bodies > i think we should give those to every WG chair and have them be used. > (chairing ANIMA i fear mine would have to be able to move by itself.. challenging...) > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:01:11PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote: > > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting??? I know t-shirts are sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt (as a selectable option) or in addition? > > > > Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his washing machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been dropping socks every so often in order to complete each load of laundry on a timely basis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost socks but each load of laundry took 2 days to complete). ;-) [Sorry, that is the best sock-related buffer bloat joke I could come up with, Dave!] > > > > Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? > > > > Thanks > > Jason > > > > On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this point. For future > > IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there better > > standardization for sock sizes? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Wed Jul 20 14:42:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D59E12D84B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMyIqmETcAU8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4915A12D881 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id o80so616898wme.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:42:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mxvF4KJYXPdZnjOf2uTpoaYiCw3PWYWGRmMJ9xGftg0=; b=Qy5TX4iRLLxno60beExQ9Lbik42YXzOv8E64K8J+jHW9jULXaUZqbmxnZFKIrNPRy1 w1ZGNSuTjQN/6qefo+6YhYcJHaQpLFCCVy5vaORrZ9M5KUypklbZKN6z/RYLHgEkzaI/ z8RNSWT0O1nGL8LXjv4MR6Wfq4SMt8blGzpOkEQ9jrweaEEVQNtAoymi4tw83JWNrC+q h+V10Ha9h3HOlRGJVZihtOyurd/CLfBPbgIlJCTurMti1Pqm39eQL6BQpX4Xl9g1Wf+T dzTygesOmwkYcfWBgO7WEyiX0IhZ0GHvqrEZVc2nzw8//Cfv5kpszags3ck6/E70t76Y +NmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mxvF4KJYXPdZnjOf2uTpoaYiCw3PWYWGRmMJ9xGftg0=; b=gbCz3jXmKNMP84PhIGoWfqSO6MKaRJ7wLYe4YT1hLoehhM6j+YpNkrjUn5a6xAlcn4 It/r6T03VOfa2EWAE9o0JmVw2+X4A+e2XsjWz+uZsZx2C81ErdE5SZhzLpst3l5Ve/3D 8ScODsrO68ryRQlRi43P2c6XmTaydYjr1O+EXZR2bYBYueZiQLnDE5LXQeIuEo+OGLnq QiwrzGvlnJYPSw3QuxpRjJyq5Mg5JFN3pyUgLRZipr+nXxPONdZVm6eEM7cfBjP2SoYF ojPlVGTimJPbEKoJNBPEMzjhOwQLtd7yoN5MAqFdAUi1ll6o0JpkXalcXwyKpPoujeY9 W1cQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLWHuiPQiKwmKwPF7H9pgHEiEhW6geY6xQ3RWDTpwqRZB6y3cBeA6KDPAXBj61sW0aVY1QtH8DlqJxjMg== X-Received: by 10.194.125.36 with SMTP id mn4mr3557163wjb.168.1469050952807; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:42:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.233.200 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:42:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <22efff03-d8ca-7363-1449-dddc5690b9d2@cisco.com> References: <22efff03-d8ca-7363-1449-dddc5690b9d2@cisco.com> From: Corinne Cath Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:42:32 +0100 Message-ID: To: Eliot Lear Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0415543632fc4e053818142b Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] lost iPhone 5s charging cable X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:42:36 -0000 --f46d0415543632fc4e053818142b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I found it at the HRPC session room in Bellevue, right about where you were sitting. Dropped it of at the registration desk. Best, On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Eliot Lear wrote: > If you come across one, would you kindly email me? Thanks. > > > -- Corinne Cath 'The management of normality is hard work' --f46d0415543632fc4e053818142b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found it at the HRPC session room in Bellevue, right about where you were= sitting. Dropped it of at the registration desk. Best,=C2=A0<= br>
On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
I= f you come across one, would you kindly email me?=C2=A0 Thanks.




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Corinne Cath
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'The managem= ent of normality is hard work'


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Thanks, I missed that one :)

Note, though= , that if you want to swim early in the morning it’s only possible a c= ouple of days a week, and a couple of days a week it’s closed all toge= ther.

Regards,

Christer
 

 

 

From: 96attendees [= mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmbe= rg
Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [96attendees] = Lap swimming in Berlin

 

Hi,

 

Berlin is a heaven for the lap sw= immer, with lots of pools – both outdoor in indoor. Some of the indoor= pools are also located in architecturally very nice buildings, but unfortun= ately most of them seem to be closed during summer.

 

Below are a few pools that at least accordi= ng to their web sites are open during the IETF week, with easy access from t= he meeting hotel.

 

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Somm= erbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m):

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http= ://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/

 

U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google)

 

 

Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m):<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;colo= r:black">

 

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U-bahn: U2 (3= 8 minutes door-to-door, according to Google)

 

 

 

Schwimm- und= Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m):<= /p>

 

 

Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-doo= r, according to Google)

 

 

I= f you’re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a Coke= in a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with = the hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitab= le:

&nbs= p;

 

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Regards,

 

Christer

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with SMTP id 18mr6682033vkg.43.1468498273478; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:11:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.29.71 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:10:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:10:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: Ingemar Johansson S , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:11:19 -0000 Any word on the potential to swim much closer to the venue hotels? (E.g., perhaps in the hotels themselves?) On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi, > >>I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool >> (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any case= it >> seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) > > Thanks, I missed that one :) > > Note, though, that if you want to swim early in the morning it=E2=80=99s = only > possible a couple of days a week, and a couple of days a week it=E2=80=99= s closed > all together. > > Regards, > > Christer > > > > > > > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Christer Holmberg > Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin > > > > Hi, > > > > Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools =E2=80=93 both= outdoor in > indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally very > nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during > summer. > > > > Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are open > during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. > > > > > > Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): > > > > http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ > > > > U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) > > > > > > Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): > > > > http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ > > > > U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) > > > > > > > > Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): > > > > http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportpa= rk-sse/ > > > > Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) > > > > > > If you=E2=80=99re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip = a Coke in a > pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with the > hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitabl= e: > > > > http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --=20 Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Thu Jul 14 05:17:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55FD12D7E3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:17:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB208.ericsson.se ([169.254.8.19]) by ESESSHC008.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.42]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:17:46 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin Thread-Index: AQHR3b6YOXg3ARs1vkiSZqR0dYAx76AXyb1AgAAUcwD//9ZUgIAANWgA Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.5.160527 x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.147] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <97BC57DF6BF7F34CB509783BA367C3F2@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrJIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7lu7rpvZwg22bOS32Tm1isnj7+BGT A5PHnEW3GT2WLPnJFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJWx8v5L5oJdkhVzv/SzNzBuEOli5OSQEDCR OPjwHwuELSZx4d56ti5GLg4hgSOMEsf2PmOEcBYzSkx4doW1i5GDg03AQqL7nzZIg4iAqsSC mSvYQcLMAtkSz79lg4SFBQwlnh05xQYSFhEwknjxNxGi2k3i3ao/jCBhFqDO+7NZQcK8AlYS /ZPOsUMsamaS6Pm6DCzBKRAo8XPjOjCbEei076fWMIHYzALiEreezGeCOFlAYsme88wQtqjE y8f/wOpFBfQkvn+dzQyyS0JASWLa1jSIVgOJ9+fmM0PY1hIbz/awQ9jaEssWvmaGuEdQ4uTM JywTGCVmIdk2C0n7LCTts5C0z0LSvoCRdRWjaHFqcXFuupGxXmpRZnJxcX6eXl5qySZGYAQe 3PJbdwfj6teOhxgFOBiVeHgXNLaFC7EmlhVX5h5ilOBgVhLhbW1sDxfiTUmsrEotyo8vKs1J LT7EKM3BoiTO6/9SMVxIID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmy8TBKdXAWPNLe3XBzbaLvYu4vpqc6b5x1Ohs 7IOVM6Vav5RJC75JKmuZz1Vw8a6I6tNO9TWvw93YJmTOtZrC+mvWpoCSDdMPM9xo31wx62vO 6+0SHJXxNzyOG0xqYU39vUJjYuzVk4qLvsTN43jZv1nWQ3bRrAnsTxZF+T+T7fquVHrxkOLZ TaohHD+WlSixFGckGmoxFxUnAgBFEiQJvAIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: Ingemar Johansson S , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:17:52 -0000 The meeting hotel does have a pool, but I don=B9t know whether it=B9s free, only accessible by hotel guests, etc. I haven=B9t checked other hotels. I guess everyone can check him/her-self whether the hotel where he/she is staying has a pool=8A On 14/07/16 15:10, "Joseph Lorenzo Hall" wrote: >Any word on the potential to swim much closer to the venue hotels? >(E.g., perhaps in the hotels themselves?) > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Christer Holmberg > wrote: >> Hi, >> >>>I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool >>> (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any >>>case it >>> seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) >> >> Thanks, I missed that one :) >> >> Note, though, that if you want to swim early in the morning it=B9s only >> possible a couple of days a week, and a couple of days a week it=B9s >>closed >> all together. >> >> Regards, >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Christer Holmberg >> Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 >> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools =AD both >>outdoor in >> indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally >>very >> nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during >> summer. >> >> >> >> Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are >>open >> during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ >> >> >> >> U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ >> >> >> >> U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >>=20 >>http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportpa >>rk-sse/ >> >> >> >> Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> If you=B9re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a Cok= e >>in a >> pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with >>the >> hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more >>suitable: >> >> >> >> http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > > >--=20 >Joseph Lorenzo Hall >Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology >[https://www.cdt.org] >1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 >e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key >Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Thu Jul 14 05:28:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7A312D7A9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:28:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UqJtiCiF70lZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22b.google.com (mail-qk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F2B112D8AD for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p74so70906744qka.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=5FA9UvnwT+tAKiDLWtYJZO/IIus0hb4STeOA+zyYECQ=; b=mku1FD3+P7gPgOZ1xyjvzQcPXbpyipkSut0LN53hV4uz7E+nF9aNz9r5OoK4EjA21n W1572vEbWjdFI5hG0wE6tw6RR6GK28eiYrpn6gu/7kg1jEDSmsW9CmeS5+diiO2HAjFM s/6RLoDxO9Y06x2wyfC9h0kxCO6P+nqkzKAJwUjVLTSRZtB5JytHC3Af+F69P7tKxE01 tM/uopU6X7R0DfEuHIVQY0X2wQDnjHmK2e76cJW/xX+BMJ8uDJzDZoSg1G+56qSEbN/Z xEtH3n2URGzEHBcxrFEGyiT5YVJ3S5uIMBnqP23HHQdmuvgQg4BWsGDepggc1SOMUrPu +bDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=5FA9UvnwT+tAKiDLWtYJZO/IIus0hb4STeOA+zyYECQ=; b=MeQ0hqsc8KyxbJ+BhfsdTrCaDYtCB7aKHiCU5UKuJrbsulZcK/WOwwT/A36x6W3aB+ BzURjymm1VHuhUzIiLt0G3FFpSr+hPNtP2hL/5i8hVnZVzKrhLqlJJmS2OL14w1C2YI6 Ji4PqHV4jJ1VkiiVLX8+CoJ4eiDepU6chGGbxCWkQ2+WG0SmUzhKoWnQp6eAdCc3518y opSKR4ORyDzYFDumdlda23iqEMH4PaxvRi8Js9ktd56e5hSGmy0ECtDiAzLSGU/ldwMW wFPY0gnSsIRynS7PDod5hyZbf6/qt6C3uoP3mcEARsu/nen5ZoHJGKL8FfM6wZ87rvyQ 97gg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJOhqXJxBzx8dVS4n3Qk1VGPtWcylAQJxXFXdaPEV4DH0utuDrVo6Nwzo6+1JZc6Q== X-Received: by 10.55.174.198 with SMTP id x189mr16616382qke.168.1468499279649; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (209-6-124-204.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com. [209.6.124.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x42sm917403qtc.29.2016.07.14.05.27.58 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12H143) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:27:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4328DF02-7F8E-4555-9066-6F5BAE6D4D78@gmail.com> References: To: Christer Holmberg Archived-At: Cc: Ingemar Johansson S , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Joseph Lorenzo Hall Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:28:02 -0000 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: >=20 >=20 > The meeting hotel does have a pool, but I don=C2=B9t know whether it=C2=B9= s free, > only accessible by hotel guests, etc. >=20 > I haven=C2=B9t checked other hotels. I guess everyone can check him/her-se= lf > whether the hotel where he/she is staying has a pool=C5=A0 It's open to those staying at the hotel and is of course a short hotel pool,= but clean & nice. Kathleen=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 14/07/16 15:10, "Joseph Lorenzo Hall" wrote: >>=20 >> Any word on the potential to swim much closer to the venue hotels? >> (E.g., perhaps in the hotels themselves?) >>=20 >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Christer Holmberg >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>>> I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool >>>> (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any >>>> case it >>>> seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) >>>=20 >>> Thanks, I missed that one :) >>>=20 >>> Note, though, that if you want to swim early in the morning it=C2=B9s on= ly >>> possible a couple of days a week, and a couple of days a week it=C2=B9s >>> closed >>> all together. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Christer >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>> Christer Holmberg >>> Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 >>> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >>> Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools =C2=AD both >>> outdoor in >>> indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally >>> very >>> nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during >>> summer. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are >>> open >>> during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportp= a >>> rk-sse/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> If you=C2=B9re not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a C= oke >>> in a >>> pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with >>> the >>> hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more >>> suitable: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Christer >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Joseph Lorenzo Hall >> Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology >> [https://www.cdt.org] >> 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 >> e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key >> Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 14 07:29:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8BC12D80D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:29:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.217.219 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Lemon Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: 96attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114035e2eda88d0537995421 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Piano in Berlin? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:29:41 -0000 --001a114035e2eda88d0537995421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Does anybody know where I might be able to rent a small room with a piano in it to practice while I'm in Berlin? Obviously close to the venue would be good. I struck out in BA--the only place the hotel found was $50/hour with a two hour minimum, for a complete recording studio that I didn't need... :) --001a114035e2eda88d0537995421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anybody know where I might be able to rent a small ro= om with a piano in it to practice while I'm in Berlin? =C2=A0 Obviously= close to the venue would be good. =C2=A0 I struck out in BA--the only plac= e the hotel found was $50/hour with a two hour minimum, for a complete reco= rding studio that I didn't need... :)
--001a114035e2eda88d0537995421-- From nobody Thu Jul 14 08:40:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B0912D0F9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:40:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ej552nKpK14E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x231.google.com (mail-yw0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C1DB12D0BB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x231.google.com with SMTP id i12so75692143ywa.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:40:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NlWG2gUgZdKV73we54yynS9t+eFKVyIXXTv71/jktkw=; b=PB1MgkNW7cNBeqYYL8AuKjpEdqizC7QMiPS/lAwJuZTk4YGBzSI8gq1+DSCuouPQkL rzZaUObaKLeA/SvqaLxodlCFrl5lM0V82y4FoUNVadzoA3DW7SiFsurtG9OoLWhkiSir JC7QP03til90RqQDisPCDv+zWDshKThU+c9yQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NlWG2gUgZdKV73we54yynS9t+eFKVyIXXTv71/jktkw=; b=dK1BQ3cRvz7l/tmhWl2AG0HZpN6ApLg+HlPvAolS9t8J/st7FV0rgr6yMv/rza7DK/ muXZuc27LJ+pWhhmsrTrBApveri0Tns1MB7HxNJAHwZvjQFo+dDEzKSMyBoVr8NvrPWU YXLYU0YMtAYdEEw13j/XxvPb1qgkhLwwoIev+f4brdKKkjm8rFPUT/QcmX3hqM8/Pdg5 KOlAwLaDLXfYhNvZulCZVsTlxAUGfiRzAsEDFHkK7JZdpl+8v+4+jV+IHODZfsTkO+GW oQWTvYB3Wv51WRIZRuw1mPv7cmGPkGgvb8OVx6DStkWBnSCQitcY+aboltZaaw6arKmU 7+8w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKwv9Egin9KUBGlSZIvvQti8cmG3pRhx2fHwEpMUP240GYY6eeDxmiBd6OvM5rJ8Fp47ILwToyncp6RcA== X-Received: by 10.13.231.194 with SMTP id q185mr10390276ywe.28.1468510818338; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:40:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.209.65 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:40:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [78.55.195.98] In-Reply-To: References: From: Cristian Varas Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:40:17 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ted Lemon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c07cbdaad36f505379a5189 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Piano in Berlin? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:40:20 -0000 --94eb2c07cbdaad36f505379a5189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 For piano practice rooms, check this out: https://www.piano-rooms.com/ it's also very central. On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > Does anybody know where I might be able to rent a small room with a piano > in it to practice while I'm in Berlin? Obviously close to the venue would > be good. I struck out in BA--the only place the hotel found was $50/hour > with a two hour minimum, for a complete recording studio that I didn't > need... :) > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --94eb2c07cbdaad36f505379a5189 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For piano practice rooms, check this out: https://www.piano-rooms.com/=C2=A0=C2=A0 it= 9;s also very central.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.c= om> wrote:
Does anybody know where I might be able to rent a small room with a piano = in it to practice while I'm in Berlin? =C2=A0 Obviously close to the ve= nue would be good. =C2=A0 I struck out in BA--the only place the hotel foun= d was $50/hour with a two hour minimum, for a complete recording studio tha= t I didn't need... :)

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Thanks to everyone for suggestions. =C2=A0 I've found = an option that looks like it'll work well, so I'm all set. =C2=A0 I= 'll report back after I find out how it goes... :)

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:28 AM= , Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
Does anybody know where I might be able to rent= a small room with a piano in it to practice while I'm in Berlin? =C2= =A0 Obviously close to the venue would be good. =C2=A0 I struck out in BA--= the only place the hotel found was $50/hour with a two hour minimum, for a = complete recording studio that I didn't need... :)

--001a1142c3c4301b1605379ada45-- From nobody Thu Jul 14 14:23:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE7912D85B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAD_CREDIT=2.415, BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kUC6uhTzGaog for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED68E12D848 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53A4D1E5D61 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-f176.google.com (mail-qk0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC17A1E5D5D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x1so231470qkb.3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIPvsH8McjuH5fEvZtB4Byp+MRGHiWPC7CsrzXl8iDefVrjlJV8bQQcvKyj6yl0xcbsAWUVW96YWGby3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.200.27 with SMTP id c27mr21158133qkj.46.1468531426565; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.88.105 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.88.105 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:23:46 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: From: Glen To: 96attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a11c1582c05aa9e05379f1e1c Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:23:50 -0000 --001a11c1582c05aa9e05379f1e1c Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1582c05aa9805379f1e1a --001a11c1582c05aa9805379f1e1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All My apologies for the noise, and my apologies if this has already been resolved, but I don't see any recent messages about this topic, beyond the earlier questions several days ago. I just wanted to report that I had success purchasing a SIM card at Tegel airport in Berlin. I went to the store shown in the attached picture. There was a person working there who spoke flawless English, and understood exactly what I wanted. He sold me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which includes 20 local voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. Before I even asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, and that no interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered to install the SIM in my device. Upon installing the SIM, it activated immediately, auto-configured the appropriate APN, and I was online with high-speed internet. This is not an official endorsement, just a personal one, but I wanted to report that it was quite easy to purchase the SIM, and quite easy to activate, and everything seems to be working. Save your paperwork, and the SIM card holder, because by default the SIM card is locked with a 4-Digit pin. The store is located in the main hall of the airport, outside of security, just across from the BVG bus ticket store. A photo is attached for your convenience. Also, as a USA T-Mobile customer, I can confirm that my T-mobile USA phones and tablets are operating with high speed data, without any additional action on my part (other than needing to reboot my device is upon arrival in Berlin.) I warn T-Mobile customers, however, that this privilege applies only to postpaid, credit checked T-Mobile accounts. Prepaid lines, and the simple choice no credit check plan, are not eligible for international roaming and will not bind. I hope everyone finds this information helpful. Thanks, Glen --001a11c1582c05aa9805379f1e1a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All

My apologies for the noise, and my apologies if this has alr= eady been resolved, but I don't see any recent messages about this topi= c, beyond the earlier questions several days ago.

I just wanted to report that I had success purchasing a SIM = card at Tegel airport in Berlin.

I went to the store shown in the attached picture. There was= a person working there who spoke flawless English, and understood exactly = what I wanted.

He sold me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which inclu= des 20 local voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. Bef= ore I even asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, and that = no interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered to install t= he SIM in my device.

Upon installing the SIM, it activated immediately, auto-conf= igured the appropriate APN, and I was online with high-speed internet.

This is not an official endorsement, just a personal one, bu= t I wanted to report that it was quite easy to purchase the SIM, and quite = easy to activate, and everything seems to be working. Save your paperwork, = and the SIM card holder, because by default the SIM card is locked with a 4= -Digit pin.

The store is located in the main hall of the airport, outsid= e of security, just across from the BVG bus ticket store. A photo is attach= ed for your convenience.

Also, as a USA T-Mobile customer, I can confirm that my T-mo= bile USA phones and tablets are operating with high speed data, without any= additional action on my part (other than needing to reboot my device is up= on arrival in Berlin.)

I warn T-Mobile customers, however, that this privilege appl= ies only to postpaid, credit checked T-Mobile accounts. Prepaid lines, and = the simple choice no credit check plan, are not eligible for international = roaming and will not bind.

I hope everyone finds this information helpful.

Thanks,
Glen

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from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2016 00:08:10 -0000 Date: 15 Jul 2016 00:07:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 00:08:12 -0000 >He sold me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which includes 20 local >voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. Before I even >asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, and that no >interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered to install the >SIM in my device. Cool. For those of us not arriving by air, does anyone know of a place to buy them near the meeting? 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I was able to get a sin card there last time. On Jul 14, 2016 20:08, wrote: > >He sold me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which includes 20 local > >voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. Before I even > >asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, and that no > >interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered to install t= he > >SIM in my device. > > Cool. For those of us not arriving by air, does anyone know of a place > to buy them near the meeting? > > R's, > John > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a1142b4c0cb14d40537a18947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is a DT store near the venue, past the Ged=C3=A4chtnis= kirche on ku-damm. I was able to get a sin card there last time.


On Jul 14, 2016 2= 0:08, <ietf@johnlevine.com&g= t; wrote:
>He s= old me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which includes 20 local
>voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. Before I eve= n
>asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, and that no
>interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered to install = the
>SIM in my device.

Cool.=C2=A0 For those of us not arriving by air, does anyone know of a plac= e
to buy them near the meeting?

R's,
John

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--001a1142b4c0cb14d40537a18947-- From nobody Thu Jul 14 20:10:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A184812D883 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HnYzaBX-KDyu for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x231.google.com (mail-qt0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0EA412D841 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x231.google.com with SMTP id j35so53063686qtj.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:10:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uDy3hhJRCb7UlKCDuuDi/tz0hZCzh7Qrwt3G+RDSEGc=; b=zfDKGSQgxapCsYVxmqtaonU4fIhwEdSijV07kyNZMW+NmWwGyjVUttrk9yHJq8jp9y RIE2NUM0VPrTrWMXvswoD2oO1yffpaD2EGAVw+5bAd6UjUAsWcQP8rC8EHOlQgVI9QW9 dx177X/tgFTHy2vs9ixyRK61XyRJP7m/xrU0jtWjPIGWtpeKrjtiPenfyQvJN5RgmUPg lis/AOTxKDQCAh0eOUWgoO3pxxyn/bGyw5bSxM67pKBTwAEcwRz8qMyBl4sOlYJfY2st QOuDjcBjivpEuV9xXrSrpSrk5tSfusG8JJamiUwIS1c3zktMT6iFo/4SxOQ4ieOHlxQ8 7CcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uDy3hhJRCb7UlKCDuuDi/tz0hZCzh7Qrwt3G+RDSEGc=; b=VM4LmnEeaxkm8i8lNk8d4aGSVaoJr1RdFO1QI/HUf5E6zkk/EQZkS01xCa5Cwl/+p1 QzeSkQy93Umk4lWmgpt6nEthE8pT2HUIXeXeVIaqoK2I8NlodafZIvFbPX5EMbkLHCM0 zHwwasSkmppbfNe1ChWWyIZvHnVrPaiUJmB3mA/XVnTxJ/2TbHnkQNa95F6Vrt+/0rVO eFGG7dtshOyv3s2sfvBUzxLXi3G2DRKFa/Jw2hU0uTRVYue7ma1hjPThgTuaWTFF+dX9 6Rv13XWaVw4TaLlbvZUJZVJODDvlsg5QIXPF6VT3YdNybXp8TYLtpHRgvooBGy4H/7yc p5rw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJ6MVHs9ysy2/qNd59oxgFTllCB9l23BlieHpBUMY7zGwiQRyFh9gHfAdHp/Lbw4KiDyDpjaHj8LHKf3Q== X-Received: by 10.237.33.69 with SMTP id 63mr25858435qtc.45.1468552241068; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:10:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.71.84 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:10:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> From: Zhen Cao Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:10:40 +0800 Message-ID: To: Ted Lemon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, ietf@johnlevine.com Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 03:10:44 -0000 Per my experience, I would suggest to order online prepaid sim card and send to the hotel before arrival. I tried blau.de, there you can find 1GB per month for 9.99, and you can specify the type of the sim card. On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > There is a DT store near the venue, past the Ged=C3=A4chtniskirche on ku-= damm. I > was able to get a sin card there last time. > > > On Jul 14, 2016 20:08, wrote: >> >> >He sold me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which includes 20 loca= l >> >voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. Before I eve= n >> >asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, and that no >> >interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered to install >> > the >> >SIM in my device. >> >> Cool. For those of us not arriving by air, does anyone know of a place >> to buy them near the meeting? >> >> R's, >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Thu Jul 14 23:12:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12EF12B042 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:12:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.186 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JPQiTPyS_tDX for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtprelay.restena.lu (smtprelay.restena.lu [158.64.1.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C70E712B02B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aragorn.restena.lu (aragorn.restena.lu [IPv6:2001:a18:1:8::155]) by smtprelay.restena.lu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1757643AB6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:12:33 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> From: Stefan Winter Openpgp: id=AD3091F3AB24E05F4F722C03C0DE6A358A39DC66; url=http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC0DE6A358A39DC66 Message-ID: <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:12:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:12:37 -0000 > Gedächtniskirche on ku-damm. I was able to get a sin card there last > time. > Kind of evil-logical that you can get sin cards near churches; treating sinners is their core business after all. Do they also sell matching salvation cards? (SCNR) Stefan > > On Jul 14, 2016 20:08, > wrote: > > >He sold me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which includes > 20 local > >voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. Before > I even > >asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, and that no > >interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered to > install the > >SIM in my device. > > Cool. For those of us not arriving by air, does anyone know of a > place > to buy them near the meeting? > > R's, > John > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > -- Stefan WINTER Ingenieur de Recherche Fondation RESTENA - Réseau Téléinformatique de l'Education Nationale et de la Recherche 2, avenue de l'Université L-4365 Esch-sur-Alzette Tel: +352 424409 1 Fax: +352 422473 PGP key updated to 4096 Bit RSA - I will encrypt all mails if the recipient's key is known to me http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC0DE6A358A39DC66 From nobody Thu Jul 14 23:36:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FC212D1B8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5djr1_aJCkdA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EC0512B02B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.168.93.134] (cst-prg-8-18.cust.vodafone.cz [46.135.8.18]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BC3360851 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:36:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1468564595; bh=+jey2SSqLmdWTEUPxwTMoxCVW0OF1imKccikyNakWy0=; h=From:To:Date; b=Zxna96subzWNn80JUQWI+CWAdAuehXGj11b4X1D/xfXZfJfTafiG3kqvP7qk4jgUp QbuCcB0DJg9pF1T39exJg4XLLe9mFoMrhsV608sDl99ZG96t84B8f+CMGRW0lcccEw aNP4LmsrmOdjuZG7/Da9M017FiUxdTNLi/RTaRmo= From: =?utf-8?B?T25kxZllaiBTdXLDvQ==?= To: <96attendees@ietf.org> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:36:34 +0200 Message-ID: <155ed455d50.2734.111384ef9303931154bc986d03632394@nic.cz> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.6.2.5 (build: 27000205) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Spare Dell laptop charger (till Monday) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:36:38 -0000 Folks, I would really appreciate if anybody has a spare Dell laptop charger to lend to get me till Monday when more of my colleagues arrive. Thanks, Ondřej From nobody Fri Jul 15 00:07:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE8012D094 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 00:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNsLGhu-0w3i for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 00:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m4-bn.bund.de (m4-bn.bund.de [77.87.228.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AC9712B042 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 00:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m4.mfw.bn.ivbb.bund.de (localhost.mfw.bn.ivbb.bund.de [127.0.0.1]) by m4-bn.bund.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6F77sPm023506 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:07:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from localhost) by m4.mfw.bn.ivbb.bund.de (MSCAN) id 5/m4.mfw.bn.ivbb.bund.de/smtp-gw/mscan; Fri Jul 15 09:07:54 2016 X-P350-Id: 3c445dda4f796418 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bsi.bund.de X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at bsi.bund.de From: "de =?utf-8?q?Br=C3=BCn?=, Markus" Organization: BSI Bonn To: 96attendees@ietf.org Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:07:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 20141209.f66ef9b) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <201607150907.28203.markus.debruen@bsi.bund.de> Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] ROA Signing Party X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 07:07:58 -0000 At IETF95 LACNIC organized a ROA Signing Party. We want to keep this up and= =20 will be holding a similar event at IETF96 together with the RIPE NCC and th= e=20 =46U Berlin: on=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Wednesday, 20. July=20 at=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A012:30 - 14:00 in=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Room "King" The event will be held in German. We will briefly explain (i) what the RPKI is and why you need it, (ii) how = you=20 will create ROAs, and (iii) which pitfalls might occur. ROAs can be created= =20 directly on site. We will also show how you can check the impact of your RO= A=20 creation. Please note that you need a RIPE NCC Access Accout to create ROAs. This=20 account should be linked to your LIR. If you are not a LIR or if you are a = PI=20 End User, your LIR needs to grant you access, see https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/certification/= resource-certification-rpki-for-provider-independent-end-users Cheers, Markus From nobody Fri Jul 15 02:20:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF4D12DA55 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dns-oarc.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YOIuY_rfuNUq for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ix1.dns-oarc.net (ix1.dns-oarc.net [IPv6:2620:ff:c000::198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB7A012DB2E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 02:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zen-keith.smoti.org ([88.128.80.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by ix1.dns-oarc.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4+deb7u1) with ESMTP id u6F9K935021639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:20:18 GMT To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> From: Keith Mitchell Organization: OARC Message-ID: <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 05:20:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=dns-oarc.net; s=ix1; t=1468574420; bh=077Y6g9g2uO+qsZgJToX2m8N7YK0XYqdpKqD3CX4jqI=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=XkkltxRgClXl9RyUGezT7iGxDmGdes2fUE9nPDj5bJw7RqQrTnAFEvrbWv2QN/gqs sv8HONaNZ6TcLC9O+m4bXN0YTEgLey1W60cJ75lRX2i7LpC2uQnR67lCZRRC9SFtLa ory5mH9uROKg/FCLhnU8JM+Ih9Xivu/UmqMJS/sg= Authentication-Results: ix1.dns-oarc.net; dmarc=none header.from=dns-oarc.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:20:42 -0000 FWIW, on landing at FRA this AM, my T-Mobile US phone just told me that for July and August, 4G data roaming to T-Mobile DE is unlimited and free. Certainly I seem to be getting full HSPA+ 3G speeds rather than the usual TMo US roaming freebie 2G speeds, however no sign of any of the claimed included in this promotion "up to 4G LTE speeds" coverage yet (may need to swap phones). Keith From nobody Fri Jul 15 11:42:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679DC12D18E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jc1iCKQq4Ri7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com [23.79.238.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9677A12D1D5 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FA5433722; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:42:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com [172.27.118.250]) by prod-mail-xrelay07.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC70A4335EE; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:42:38 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1468608158; bh=m/rwksPh2tlVpsLY+E0kc/ONcnyUgDn4KjfgO0wBX4Y=; l=278; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=O5o78QDCrI/5VEsApdbQORYP6C7jopN7VyeD+pWl7DQQY9QlFNVPDHXk/yJIQ0Fie q1vcM/w3jtaFjnfq8rGKt4nGwrqnczmc+8B8layKgWaPIKeolkKjhtWmfLp6SOc0OM Z5TBJq2lSJAGjuOm2SfajnwAzsiBd5xeC786D7Z4= Received: from tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com (tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com [172.28.10.104]) by prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60721FCA7; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:42:38 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <22409.11934.459014.851393@tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:42:38 -0400 From: David C Lawrence To: Jeff Haas In-Reply-To: <88EDC291-4CCF-449D-BEA9-FC9320407653@juniper.net> References: <201607111944.u6BJiAiR026474@idle.juniper.net> <014701d1dce7$3401bbe0$9c0533a0$@travelping.com> <85fb9aa4-0931-2a8b-3b3d-68392712fc44@labn.net> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476A3C7C@ESESSMB208.ericsson.se> <88EDC291-4CCF-449D-BEA9-FC9320407653@juniper.net> Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Taking minutes - volunteers X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:42:40 -0000 Jeff Haas writes: > While a different problem, audio recordings are not infallible. > > Sometimes they don't work. > Sometimes they are faint or hard to hear. > And far too often, people violate protocol and don't use the microphones. They're pretty hard to grep, too. 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[62.172.81.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 3sm7656521wms.1.2016.07.15.13.31.43 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: John Dowdell Message-Id: <07D87ECA-967F-423C-8B0B-3868A16F4E28@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 21:31:42 +0100 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] How the internet was invented X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:31:48 -0000 Great article from The Guardian newspaper. Question is, who were the eight p= eople at Rossotti's on that auspicious occasion? John How the internet was invented http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/15/how-the-internet-was-inven= ted-1976-arpa-kahn-cerf?CMP=3DShare_iOSApp_Other Sent from my iPhone= From nobody Fri Jul 15 17:42:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8221512D0FC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:42:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UgklbQx0G0wn for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B3412D0D3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:42:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:42:46 -0700 To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall , Christer Holmberg From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: Ingemar Johansson S , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 00:42:51 -0000 At 8:10 AM -0400 7/14/16, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > Any word on the potential to swim much closer to the venue hotels? > (E.g., perhaps in the hotels themselves?) The InterContinental has a pool that is fairly short (not sure if it is 16 or 18 meters) with no lane dividers. There is a current generator, but it is not much use for actual lap swimming. The Pullman reportedly has an 18 meter pool, also no lane dividers. > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Christer Holmberg > wrote: >> Hi, >> >>>I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool >>> (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any case it >>> seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) >> >> Thanks, I missed that one :) >> >> Note, though, that if you want to swim early in the morning it's only >> possible a couple of days a week, and a couple of days a week it's closed >> all together. >> >> Regards, >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Christer Holmberg >> Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 >> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools - both outdoor in >> indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in architecturally very >> nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them seem to be closed during >> summer. >> >> >> >> Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are open >> during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ >> >> >> >> U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ >> >> >> >> U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europasportpark-sse/ >> >> >> >> Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> If you're not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a Coke in a >> pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest draft with the >> hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitable: >> >> >> >> http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] > 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 > e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. 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Hi All,
 
Is there any good reasonable restaurants near to the  intercontin= ental hotel which accepts  credit cards. Trip advisor is showing aroun= d 20 not able zoom in one.
 
Regards,
Sudhin
 
 --_000_BN6PR05MB2963BB6B2C211AF0E4F6C8DCC2340BN6PR05MB2963namp_-- From nobody Fri Jul 15 22:04:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB57312D638 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:04:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.738 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9dVpsspUoAe1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (unknown [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2295612D665 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:04:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=62.214.2.210; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Randall Gellens'" , "'Joseph Lorenzo Hall'" , "'Christer Holmberg'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 01:03:49 -0400 Message-ID: <00a101d1df1f$71704b60$5450e220$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLcWSag4MlGmgw4vBUpbGj0pWcSSwKc2k/KAVQ857QCFyKFfwHlBHlpncYihbA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Ingemar Johansson S' , 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 05:04:33 -0000 Are there longer length pools close to either pools? Sue -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randall Gellens Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:43 PM To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; Christer Holmberg Cc: Ingemar Johansson S; 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin At 8:10 AM -0400 7/14/16, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > Any word on the potential to swim much closer to the venue hotels? > (E.g., perhaps in the hotels themselves?) The InterContinental has a pool that is fairly short (not sure if it is 16 or 18 meters) with no lane dividers. There is a current generator, but it is not much use for actual lap swimming. The Pullman reportedly has an 18 meter pool, also no lane dividers. > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Christer Holmberg > wrote: >> Hi, >> >>>I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool >>> (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any >>>case it >>> seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) >> >> Thanks, I missed that one :) >> >> Note, though, that if you want to swim early in the morning it's >> only possible a couple of days a week, and a couple of days a week >> it's closed all together. >> >> Regards, >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Christer Holmberg >> Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 >> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools - both >> outdoor in indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in >> architecturally very nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them >> seem to be closed during summer. >> >> >> >> Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are >> open during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ >> >> >> >> U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ >> >> >> >> U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): >> >> >> >> >> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europaspo >> rtpark-sse/ >> >> >> >> Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >> >> >> >> >> >> If you're not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a >> Coke in a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your latest >> draft with the hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff Berlin may be more suitable: >> >> >> >> http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology > [https://www.cdt.org] > 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 > e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it. --Dan Quayle (then-U.S. Vice-President) _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Fri Jul 15 23:25:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295EA12D17E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:25:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ITluuFi4n3v9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.152.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8624C12B012 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:bf0:c801:101:b5d8:198f:3a7:682d] (unknown [IPv6:2001:bf0:c801:101:b5d8:198f:3a7:682d]) by mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D2A620186; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:25:00 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Philipp S. Tiesel" In-Reply-To: <00a101d1df1f$71704b60$5450e220$@ndzh.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:24:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <00a101d1df1f$71704b60$5450e220$@ndzh.com> To: Susan Hares X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Ingemar Johansson S , 96attendees@ietf.org, Randall Gellens , Joseph Lorenzo Hall , Christer Holmberg Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:25:05 -0000 > On 16 Jul 2016, at 07:03, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > Are there longer length pools close to either pools?=20 The closest public pools are - i might miss some sport studios Stadtbad Tiergarten, Seydlitzstra=C3=9Fe 7 -> 50m, sometimes split in = 2x25m Stadtbad Charlottenburg - Neue Halle, Krumme Stra=C3=9Fe 9 -> 25m Stadtbad Sch=C3=B6neberg "Hans Rosenthal=E2=80=9D, Hauptstra=C3=9Fe 39 = -> 25m You can look up all municipal public pools on = http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/bad-suche/=20 >=20 > Sue=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Randall > Gellens > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:43 PM > To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall; Christer Holmberg > Cc: Ingemar Johansson S; 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin >=20 > At 8:10 AM -0400 7/14/16, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: >=20 >> Any word on the potential to swim much closer to the venue hotels? >> (E.g., perhaps in the hotels themselves?) >=20 > The InterContinental has a pool that is fairly short (not sure if it = is 16 > or 18 meters) with no lane dividers. There is a current generator, = but it > is not much use for actual lap swimming. The Pullman reportedly has = an 18 > meter pool, also no lane dividers. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Christer Holmberg =20 >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>>> I was looking to go to Tiergarten which is of course an indoor pool >>>> (http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/stadtbad-tiergarten/ ). In any=20= >>>> case it >>>> seems to be within jogging-distance (~4-5km) >>>=20 >>> Thanks, I missed that one :) >>>=20 >>> Note, though, that if you want to swim early in the morning it's=20 >>> only possible a couple of days a week, and a couple of days a week=20= >>> it's closed all together. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Christer >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = =20 >>> Christer Holmberg >>> Sent: den 14 juli 2016 12:58 >>> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >>> Subject: [96attendees] Lap swimming in Berlin >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Berlin is a heaven for the lap swimmer, with lots of pools - both=20 >>> outdoor in indoor. Some of the indoor pools are also located in=20 >>> architecturally very nice buildings, but unfortunately most of them=20= >>> seem to be closed during summer. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Below are a few pools that at least according to their web sites are=20= >>> open during the IETF week, with easy access from the meeting hotel. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sommerbad Kreuzberg (outdoor, 50 m): >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-kreuzberg/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> U-bahn: U1 (22 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sommerbad Olympiastadium (outdoor, 50 m): >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/sommerbad-olympiastadion/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> U-bahn: U2 (38 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE) (indoor, 50 m): >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = http://www.berlinerbaeder.de/baeder/schwimm-und-sprunghalle-europaspo >>> rtpark-sse/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Bus: 200 (40 minutes door-to-door, according to Google) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> If you're not so much into actual swimming, but e.g. want to zip a=20= >>> Coke in a pool while discussing European VAT laws and/or your = latest=20 >>> draft with the hip and beautiful people of Berlin, Badeschiff = Berlin may > be more suitable: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://www.arena.berlin/en/location/badeschiff/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Christer >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Joseph Lorenzo Hall >> Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology=20 >> [https://www.cdt.org] >> 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 >> e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key >> Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself = only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- It isn't = pollution > that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and = water > that are doing it. > --Dan Quayle (then-U.S. Vice-President) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees AVE! Philipp S. Tiesel --=20 Technische Universit=C3=A4t Berlin =E2=80=93 FG Internet Network = Architectures (INET) office: MAR 4.024 / Sekr.: MAR 4.4, Marchstr. 23, 10587 Berlin e-mail: philipp@inet.tu-berlin.de =E2=80=A2 phone: +49-30-314-75763 From nobody Fri Jul 15 23:27:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF72A12D625 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:27:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=iubari.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1AfZ4-QuvcOl for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 737AA12B012 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:27:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1468650458; l=3302; s=domk; d=iubari.de; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:From:References:To: Subject; bh=rNUUabAOZsbb7RzD+QJkZ5j6AOOEp6qp3BqlKMZ1ymI=; b=sHTlXLv0RPCz/WIWPJLz1zRrZZDJ1SBJWd/zgZrLWa3BdjorKB2QZggcU+8s+2BvUqz 7ZVykJp17iLsyLtOhfgdj5RwKqX5fpF3G6Wqz3VIuIVFf1l2WPWT1YI1yco1EXQoUAQhB ScfFEE5WUqXLMq/k+X1nB7P2zdc3pR4J4Vs= X-RZG-AUTH: :LmMBcUShdfjsQJ2GYrZEJ9YKjeQFVH08bcsH7wiP4D4ltLM8mfxo1Cqisz9gYSdph7+Pf7ipSXzD1Hl7YJjJf46uUbgM32Ya8qHXWg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from [IPv6:2a01:238:4013:1323:a5ef:37dc:b6bd:3a12] ([2a01:238:4013:1323:a5ef:37dc:b6bd:3a12]) by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 38.13 AUTH) with ESMTPSA id Y01968s6G6RZH1O (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:27:35 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: From: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:28:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------78C18D4DD7A6B30160BBB0C4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] REG: Is there good Restaurants near to Intercontinental X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:27:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78C18D4DD7A6B30160BBB0C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, the hotel is in the city center of Berlin. There are hundreds of restaurants in walking distance. Most of them accept credits cards, they are used to tourist :-) If in doubt ask at the hotel desk, they will be able to help you. Regards, Wilhelm Am 16.07.2016 um 05:19 schrieb Sudhin Jacob: > Hi All, > Is there any good reasonable restaurants near to the intercontinental > hotel which accepts credit cards. Trip advisor is showing around 20 > not able zoom in one. > Regards, > Sudhin > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Geschftsfhrer iubari GmbH Training and Consulting Brndbystr. 34, 12207 Berlin www.iubari.de +49 163 6638527 Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg HRB 151204 --------------78C18D4DD7A6B30160BBB0C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

the hotel is in the city center of Berlin. There are hundreds of restaurants in walking distance. Most of them accept credits cards, they are used to tourist :-)

If in doubt ask at the hotel desk, they will be able to help you.

Regards,

Wilhelm


Am 16.07.2016 um 05:19 schrieb Sudhin Jacob:
Hi All,
Is there any good reasonable restaurants near to the intercontinental hotel which accepts credit cards. Trip advisor is showing around 20 not able zoom in one.
Regards,
Sudhin
 

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--------------78C18D4DD7A6B30160BBB0C4-- From nobody Fri Jul 15 23:40:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D1C12D095 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ZHiH3Cw2cvs for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 639B512B012 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EC7200FE; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:40:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d= beuth-hochschule.de; h=x-mailer:references:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:from:from:content-type:content-type:mime-version :subject:subject:received:received; s=beuth; t=1468651237; x= 1470465638; bh=wG+uRzf+MrJumZFNOpbC05qqqheCevuYyV6N3Gb0hgk=; b=P sTYmDV/v7EN3BtnBj/JB/MaL3jTSmsW5LPtexIhIX8JMyky3wSKfFTlPX1Bj9uFk TKXgS4ZJMJEc3Uz0yLhsWU/Qv5sUlcXNIrnbz3soq+OiE98EEnc64FH56k6Udjye gdej5pabf85ChgVbtPq+nZK9iBlhLB9K0TDoPVZGAg= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx02.beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de ([141.64.12.230]) by localhost (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10034) with ESMTP id YkOQRxFUFvPB; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aprikado.fritz.box (p54BD12DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.189.18.221]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C38FDBBD-CC12-4CF1-908B-A0F458C1554A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Thomas Scheffler In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:40:36 +0200 Message-Id: References: To: Sudhin Jacob X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] REG: Is there good Restaurants near to Intercontinental X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:40:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C38FDBBD-CC12-4CF1-908B-A0F458C1554A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A very nice area for restaurants is Savignyplatz. It tends to be a bit crowded on weekends, but I guess a single person always has a good chance to get a place without reservation. = https://www.google.de/search?q=3Dgoogle&ie=3Dutf-8&oe=3Dutf-8&client=3Dfir= efox-b-ab&gfe_rd=3Dcr&ei=3Djs2JV4uWMefj8weI5I3QBA#q=3Drestaurant+savignypl= atz&rflfq=3D1&rlha=3D0&rllag=3D52505901,13322224,88&tbm=3Dlcl&tbs=3Dlf_msr= :-1,lf:1,lf_ui:9 The region around Ku-Damm (Kurf=FCrstendamm) has no shortage of = restaurants, some of them may be a bit 'touristy', so beware... Restaurants usually display their Menu at the entrance (in a little glas = box by the street or at the wall), so you can compare prices without entering. Also, personnel is payed by = the restaurant, so any tip you want to give is completely gracious. People seldomly tip over 10%. Restaurants usually accept credit cards such as Visa and Mastercard. However, it is advised to ask in advance, it happens that sometimes = their machine is broken and they insist on cash. I also think that all these places are prepared to speak 'Inglish' and = can produce an english menu on request. (Berlin has become quite a popular place for tourists from all over = Europe). Thomas Am 16.07.2016 um 05:19 schrieb Sudhin Jacob : > Hi All, >=20 > Is there any good reasonable restaurants near to the intercontinental = hotel which accepts credit cards. 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Not a great deal, but I didn't want to waste time doing more shopping. Service works well. The lady who sold it to me spoke excellent English. On Jul 16, 2016 16:39, "Keith Mitchell" wrote: > On 07/15/2016 05:20 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote: > > FWIW, on landing at FRA this AM, my T-Mobile US phone just told me > > that for July and August, 4G data roaming to T-Mobile DE is unlimited > > and free. > > > > Certainly I seem to be getting full HSPA+ 3G speeds rather than the > > usual TMo US roaming freebie 2G speeds, however no sign of any of > > the claimed included in this promotion "up to 4G LTE speeds" coverage > > yet > > Looks like my 2-year old phone is just a bit confused about what > wireless tech it is using - even though it says "3G', it is picking up > at least some LTE bands, and am getting 60B/s downlink :-) > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a11403bd8bd2a490537c2c9d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just picked up another Telekom sim card. 20 euros, 500mb. = Not a great deal, but I didn't want to waste time doing more shopping.= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Service works well. The lady who sold it to me spoke excellent= English.


On Jul 16, 2016 1= 6:39, "Keith Mitchell" <= keith@dns-oarc.net> wrote:
On 07/15/2016 05:20 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote:
> FWIW, on landing at FRA this AM, my T-Mobile US phone just told me
> that for July and August, 4G data roaming to T-Mobile DE is unlimited<= br> > and free.
>
> Certainly I seem to be getting full HSPA+ 3G speeds rather than the > usual TMo US roaming freebie 2G speeds, however no sign of any of
> the claimed included in this promotion "up to 4G LTE speeds"= coverage
> yet

Looks like my 2-year old phone is just a bit confused about what
wireless tech it is using - even though it says "3G', it is pickin= g up
at least some LTE bands, and am getting 60B/s downlink :-)

Keith

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I even get IPv6 connectivity from my Android phone if I configure an "APN roaming protocol" for "IPv4/IPv6". Erik On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:20 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote: > FWIW, on landing at FRA this AM, my T-Mobile US phone just told me that > for July and August, 4G data roaming to T-Mobile DE is unlimited and free. > > Certainly I seem to be getting full HSPA+ 3G speeds rather than the > usual TMo US roaming freebie 2G speeds, however no sign of any of the > claimed included in this promotion "up to 4G LTE speeds" coverage yet > (may need to swap phones). > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a1140f600bac1a10537c3138b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been successfully getting 4G speeds fro= m T-Mobile US with their free roaming (looks like onto Telekom.de).
I even get IPv6 connectivity from my Android phone if I configure an &quo= t;APN roaming protocol" for "IPv4/IPv6".

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Erik


On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:20 AM, Keith Mitc= hell <keith@dns-oarc.net> wrote:
FWIW, on landing at FRA this AM, my T-Mobile US phone just told me = that
for July and August, 4G data roaming to T-Mobile DE is unlimited and free.<= br>
Certainly I seem to be getting full HSPA+ 3G speeds rather than the
usual TMo US roaming freebie 2G speeds, however no sign of any of the
claimed included in this promotion "up to 4G LTE speeds" coverage= yet
(may need to swap phones).

Keith

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--001a1140f600bac1a10537c3138b-- From nobody Sat Jul 16 09:59:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0458912D6AE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ddsEl0Tns0AO for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F3D812D6AA for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 41610A6; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:59:01 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1468688341; bh=Ia5RvaG1fx+KUk2pYGeKJdIzUrAR+ZD94L/eFOzp6Mo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=NHIE7TwWnJcdEh4so0ojupo5SvxXrFyQJMEGm9yu2uySVCzE+ArKzXxyqFzuS+n6E DmtGqyegK9UbsrOk4FqF/J2n6wWGc+r6GKEaXl9KdRoeZndIRr4Nc6UI96UrEdOdwL FC0S5MuYsce/NBMCwNzTnc/4kUoRFZFfsqnaBWnM= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38002A5; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:59:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> <578A4705.1050803@dns-oarc.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 16:59:07 -0000 On Sat, 16 Jul 2016, Ted Lemon wrote: > I just picked up another Telekom sim card. 20 euros, 500mb. Not a great > deal, but I didn't want to waste time doing more shopping. Service > works well. The lady who sold it to me spoke excellent English. I heard someone else say that they did stick this into their Android phone (prepaid card from Telekom DE), and the automatically configured APN was IPv4 only. The person then manually changed APN, and then got dual stack. I'd be interested in more reports like this, because I'm trying to get this fixed and want to understand if this happen to everybody. Deutsche Telekom (DTAG / Telekom) mobile network should be dual stack for most modern devices, and if it's not, I'd like to get it fixed. Feel free to email me offline with reports. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Sat Jul 16 10:29:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EAB12D0BB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aNG9QtJNOVBS for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEC7012B00E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2049; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468690140; x=1469899740; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=8ENpJpZtHYeJLlKeYhFLGpRliyVM8/uYnWoJNF4cmKs=; b=Tc3tMn4JXH7EKJZCZkni26gK3/L/oF0+FMSKiBXxT6T6ajGipHQiAiIt nKMdJ8MJ3Sl888X9Zkh9jeUwhtcUSC2xi1+q0obRcF6XoXsV1bEHS4hcf zIVVFdvsnsmkVWxKd95jFaj9XoO7ms7YHAeXvB1hPyB2mTVLUZHSMqY/2 E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CvAgCtbopX/5tdJa1cgz9WfLh3gXkih?= =?us-ascii?q?S5KAoEnOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEXQEFAQE4LwEECxALDgoJJQ8FEzYTG4gVDr1wAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBFwWJdIEDhBIRAYV3BY8AiiSOVQqPN41Pgk8eN?= =?us-ascii?q?oILHIFsHDKGY4E1AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,374,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="130225657" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Jul 2016 17:28:53 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6GHSrrk014753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:28:53 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6GHSqwT028820; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:28:53 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6GHSqDn028818; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:28:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:28:52 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Mikael Abrahamsson Message-ID: <20160716172852.GI7377@cisco.com> References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> <578A4705.1050803@dns-oarc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:29:03 -0000 Is there any good "APN FAQ" ? I would love to understand better how the phone selects the APN(s)) it tries. Are there any APNs stored on the SIM itself, or is the list of APNs to try solely in the phone/client-device ? I just had trouble with an ATT prepaid card which i could make work in a router nor 4.4.4 cyanogen android, and everybody told me to use APN "broadband". ultimately i could make it work with APN "nxtgenphone". Worst part was that "broadband" looked as if data connection was there (aka: symbol for 3G on), but didn't get an IP address. Unlike other APNs i tried where '3G' never came up. Aka: confusing diagnostics, only way to figure out solution is exhaustive trial and error. Who the heck did standardize this APN mess ? Somebody who hates users or some security fetishish "error diagnostics are attack vectors.." ? *sigh* On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:59:01PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jul 2016, Ted Lemon wrote: > > >I just picked up another Telekom sim card. 20 euros, 500mb. Not a great > >deal, but I didn't want to waste time doing more shopping. Service > >works well. The lady who sold it to me spoke excellent English. > > I heard someone else say that they did stick this into their Android phone > (prepaid card from Telekom DE), and the automatically configured APN was > IPv4 only. The person then manually changed APN, and then got dual stack. > > I'd be interested in more reports like this, because I'm trying to get > this fixed and want to understand if this happen to everybody. > > Deutsche Telekom (DTAG / Telekom) mobile network should be dual stack for > most modern devices, and if it's not, I'd like to get it fixed. > > Feel free to email me offline with reports. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Sat Jul 16 11:31:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF32C12B061 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=me.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07mTd3ktCOHZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com (st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com [17.172.220.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB46012B04D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com by st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OAF0190076LIW00@st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com> for 96attendees@ietf.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:31:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [31.133.143.69] (dhcp-8f45.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.143.69]) by st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OAF0001K7FGY030@st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:31:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2016-07-16_12:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510270003 definitions=main-1607160224 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5FC5742A-FBC4-4C61-848A-6A3C986EDC30 MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Ole Jacobsen X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-reply-to: <20160716172852.GI7377@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:30:51 +0200 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-id: References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> <578A4705.1050803@dns-oarc.net> <20160716172852.GI7377@cisco.com> To: Toerless Eckert DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=4d515a; t=1468693863; bh=8cjjImyDnM+nwTFeWr9piTbRFAYGQhCy7KB9cEsQ0Mk=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=DdMiVBIALIvAoSb+ZXBsRinTUvvi5FYdferhrca9Cx8VKAsND+xyqzosbiPl/iysj LRj5GF5w9ALPjoao4U0E7oWRyEAKbk4jYY355Vch9mjORMh+It+dqcIFruYa1ch1EC 8wdTHotpN/3trcSV2VL2NCU6S8sJMQ0kzFhPs+UkPm4cIf3dh/Xqhr4ZTit/HzB2DU 6fuTt4QeNKwGv1umoJM6zUj7RdJMcJZZgJho5T0fsycvNvC4MCg2vvHbxzzOe9aoY7 XUmoa2KdMFOw/k0uHT0dpYzdRsOWvegbEbBe/fWjOBPiAWD3t4Ia6ujG6DC8H1fnJ8 bV5XOiPKi9Rdg== Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , Mikael Abrahamsson Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:31:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5FC5742A-FBC4-4C61-848A-6A3C986EDC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable APN Voodo is just that. Sometimes stored in SIM, sometimes delivered over ai= r, sometimes requiring manual config. And you thought the IETF had weird sta= ndards... Ole J. Jacobsen Editor & Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Cell: +1 415 370-4628 docomo: (090) 3337 9311 http://protocoljournal.org Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2016, at 19:28, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > Is there any good "APN FAQ" ? I would love to understand better how > the phone selects the APN(s)) it tries. Are there any APNs stored on the > SIM itself, or is the list of APNs to try solely in the phone/client-devic= e ? >=20 > I just had trouble with an ATT prepaid card which i could make work in > a router nor 4.4.4 cyanogen android, and everybody told me to use APN "bro= adband". > ultimately i could make it work with APN "nxtgenphone". Worst part was tha= t > "broadband" looked as if data connection was there (aka: symbol for 3G on)= , > but didn't get an IP address. Unlike other APNs i tried where '3G' never c= ame up. > Aka: confusing diagnostics, only way to figure out solution is exhaustive t= rial and > error. Who the heck did standardize this APN mess ? Somebody who hates use= rs > or some security fetishish "error diagnostics are attack vectors.." ? *sig= h* >=20 >> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:59:01PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016, Ted Lemon wrote: >>>=20 >>> I just picked up another Telekom sim card. 20 euros, 500mb. Not a great=20= >>> deal, but I didn't want to waste time doing more shopping. Service=20 >>> works well. The lady who sold it to me spoke excellent English. >>=20 >> I heard someone else say that they did stick this into their Android phon= e=20 >> (prepaid card from Telekom DE), and the automatically configured APN was=20= >> IPv4 only. The person then manually changed APN, and then got dual stack.= >>=20 >> I'd be interested in more reports like this, because I'm trying to get=20= >> this fixed and want to understand if this happen to everybody. >>=20 >> Deutsche Telekom (DTAG / Telekom) mobile network should be dual stack for= =20 >> most modern devices, and if it's not, I'd like to get it fixed. >>=20 >> Feel free to email me offline with reports. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 > --=20 > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail-5FC5742A-FBC4-4C61-848A-6A3C986EDC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
APN Voodo is just that. Sometimes stor= ed in SIM, sometimes delivered over air, sometimes requiring manual config. A= nd you thought the IETF had weird standards...


On Jul 16, 2016, at 19:28, Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> wrote:

Is there any good "APN FAQ" ? I would love to u= nderstand better how
the phone selects the APN(s)) it tries.= Are there any APNs stored on the
SIM itself, or is the list= of APNs to try solely in the phone/client-device ?
<= br> I just had trouble with an ATT prepaid card which i could make wor= k in
a router nor 4.4.4 cyanogen android, and everybody tol= d me to use APN "broadband".
ultimately i could make it wor= k with APN "nxtgenphone". Worst part was that
"broadband" l= ooked as if data connection was there (aka: symbol for 3G on),
but didn't get an IP address. Unlike other APNs i tried where '3G' never= came up.
Aka: confusing diagnostics, only way to figure ou= t solution is exhaustive trial and
error. Who the heck did s= tandardize this APN mess ? Somebody who hates users
or some= security fetishish "error diagnostics are attack vectors.." ? *sigh*=

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:59:01PM +0200, Mikael A= brahamsson wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2= 016, Ted Lemon wrote:

I just picked up another Telekom sim card. 20 euros, 500mb. Not a gre= at
deal, but I didn't want to waste time doing more shopp= ing.  Service
works well. The lady who sold it to me= spoke excellent English.

I h= eard someone else say that they did stick this into their Android phone
(prepaid card from Telek= om DE), and the automatically configured APN was
IPv4 only. The person then manually changed APN= , and then got dual stack.
=
I'd be interes= ted in more reports like this, because I'm trying to get
this fixed and want to understand if th= is happen to everybody.

Deutsche Telekom (= DTAG / Telekom) mobile network should be dual stack for
most modern devices, and if it's not, I'= d like to get it fixed.

Feel free to emai= l me offline with reports.
=
--
=
Mikael Abrahamsson   =  email: swmike@swm.pp.se=

_______________________________________________=
96attendees mailing l= ist
96attendees@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees

--
---
Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com

____________________________________________= ___
96attendees mailing list
96attendees@ietf.org
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, and the contact numbers the Tegel bag lost and found (across from A15)= provide for United are wrong. The correct info can be found at: https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/delayed.aspx Dave On Jul 16, 2016, at 21:57, David Sinicrope > wrote: Hi all, Perhaps obvious or common sense but after you've given your info to airport= lost and found about lost or delayed bags, ask to see what they've entered= and confirm it's correct. For me the folks at Tegel bag lost and found ha= d incorrect: - bag tag numbers (this is clearly a big issue) - bag descriptions and color - email addresses - frequent flyer info After 5 hrs I called United for status and found & corrected the errors abo= ve. Still waiting for bags but at least United is looking for the right bag tag= s now. Hope you all have better luck. Dave --_000_28611584FE444E289B9D63F137D16B5Bericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, and the contact numbers the  Tegel bag lost and found (across from A15) <= /span>provide for United are wrong.
The correct info can be found at:

Dave

On Jul 16, 2016, at 21:57, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi all,
Perhaps obvious or common sense but after you've given your info to ai= rport lost and found about lost or delayed bags, ask to see what they've entered and confirm it's correct. &nb= sp;For me the folks at Tegel bag lost and found had incorrect:
- bag tag numbers (this is clearly a big issue)
- bag descriptions and color
- email addresses
- frequent flyer info

After 5 hrs I called United for status and found & corrected the e= rrors above.

Still waiting for bags but at least United is looking for the right ba= g tags now.

Hope you all have better luck.
Dave

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96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:37:08 -0000 On 16 =CC=C9=D0. 2016 =D2., at 20:30, Ole Jacobsen wrot= e: >=20 > APN Voodo is just that. Sometimes stored in SIM, sometimes delivered over a= ir, sometimes requiring manual config. And you thought the IETF had weird st= andards... For those who use iOS (iphone, ipad) there is a handy site unlockit.co.nz. I= t asks you for country and carrier and then creates a profile (saved under P= references / General, bottom of the list, below VPN). This locks APN regardl= ess of SIM card, which may or may not be useful. Remember, there are actually two APNs on 4G phones, one for 2G:UMTS:3G and a= nother for LTE. By default the latter is the same but there are situations w= hen they are different.=20 And yes, somebody has to fix this.= From nobody Sat Jul 16 22:25:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CF312B040 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bwfaUzK-Am3U for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E734412B005 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:25:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1468733131; bh=rqk0Exso8YIknNQ34TiYm9oGUrjq4ZHfMnYbbqmS0zU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=BiwiB59vllDyINOL+e3/uroeMrdvQAF0c8zTHVwMc1hfLgQE+OjaYJeBnaKkbmraFvqgz1Hbi7Bcz01/V+tQta326+rnYMi9TFJZ3Au8Nd5b4bdATHYggfNKpc7J/Vq0mOAaSIv/b4fHF0Uo4r8+JnVJB7uy5IhR3piLwkn4lz6F4FPpdSCyHZkmZv067JleSVlgv4SHNXZmIsSR54D1rS3vK5kO/AXi7abpZxXDs6L80xzxOxYJwEQHdKastHLIy89MHVmLDf46AvfFFmfvxgRkP2CMvyykVdAiGcQx1odfYqyDnhj2eeV6QS4FDTCyEnrCjttCI/6tFJ9r4Xz1Sw== Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2016 05:25:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.6] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2016 05:25:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2016 05:25:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 460752.99474.bm@omp1006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: wMPQePkVM1lv54mNKuMfLOupyoNEqZbW6ZRwp_YiEd2QPAHli1iyRjyXOEgsFJL ZbZfTDc9nZCxqhWPvZ_uxTalMIQ8beazPVtBgTTfpdDi_La59sqU0ESK4krettUTaYCYn5nSkezs NzXPE.Plml1QFGXw_1Mr5WnkEA.eDGBC4mIsukYUs0D8CDB8amovLngXiifmAijrswRP3xMWoPd1 YsVbpfJk34Ch5c_rfho1xQq54AaROw5Y.1UVWNt87IT4dcjMQVeoIqmZg7gjYAS2XqRUOBQA8SE_ IYdaQp5tKhp7xo65d6pYLT249G491SNnVhH_4C4_DAIF6yRe_JGO8vP1WXexobxzg_TcvwMk95_q lAU5sAQ543M5yjoCbRLehLQUi_VVw6LtqiWgBdoP4Ro9W0Hc762I.Gcm7I0i6x0DfwZN1e__fzHw n73iIoAmXFUTLa7iRe2l.qhUuqe_RqgZfLDO6JNbIz8X.o3uF6unq0r0imyo43.mYZeuPtFKJZF. 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If you ha= ve time, please come to the Speed Mentoring session in Schoeneberg at noon today.

In Speed Mentori= ng, newcomers and experienced IETFers spend five minutes talking to each ot= her, then switch to another person.   It has proven quite popular in t= he past.
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------=_Part_357370_1276915944.1468733128159-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 00:50:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7931A12D1A3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:50:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tULqXj9ciSmY for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC70412D1A2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEF42015D; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 04:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DB4638D1; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: glen@amsl.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:50:49 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Glen wrote: > I went to the store shown in the attached picture. There was a person > working there who spoke flawless English, and understood exactly what I > wanted. Ditto! > He sold me a Blau sim card kit, for 19.99 euros, which includes 20 > local voice minutes, and one gigabyte of data, good for 30 days. > Before I even asked, he informed me that the card was pre-activated, > and that no interaction with the carrier was necessary. He even offered > to install the SIM in my device. I have the same. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV4s404CLcPvd0N1lAQIpAgf+IYqMB29SdbngDnS1+QtYNOPjPTjlAObE O7emuESZF6l6Ki65NdUjkRvrLtd3fp+uoVpafyjhhZQs0n44LdYwV11nm1Ylm+AO WunYdJme46C4bH6BKk23sJdkBcVd26ZPogL4ZrGOJTmq6OwBjq/xhKWyXzkfrH2W MuuNMRAsJch6JdF+7tiwSWWoRS9qPgFFqP9aC7wVjYiJdjCXAEBgWshiwjRoElsW ddmHqjtWiR9x8nCa6OZUV73ygcg8i0vChHSJ6oy6o1kvklLnUfQt6xdm/UPhGWlM EGj4o39g9zDLyJdx0FPmywDex6a+obBAKWNeBDHJEpdQ/mY56cvxsg== =TkVg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 00:52:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACF912D1A3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dns-oarc.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YwcjBhpUEhxh for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ix1.dns-oarc.net (ix1.dns-oarc.net [IPv6:2620:ff:c000::198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA13B12D1A2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 00:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zen-keith.smoti.org (dhcp-b0f7.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.176.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by ix1.dns-oarc.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4+deb7u1) with ESMTP id u6H7pp71005736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:52:00 GMT To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> <578A4705.1050803@dns-oarc.net> <20160716172852.GI7377@cisco.com> <700547D5-8499-41C4-BED2-43A10BF78CFD@hostmaster.ua> From: Keith Mitchell Organization: OARC Message-ID: <578B3917.5040806@dns-oarc.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:51:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <700547D5-8499-41C4-BED2-43A10BF78CFD@hostmaster.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=dns-oarc.net; s=ix1; t=1468741921; bh=g1piB7HzLTX157AKE5DXJzQ91JVAkieTErvJvIuI7IA=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=fam/849rPmkIouFzaT/WbAhGmmX8pipF2hsr38/aQurP+0cneeiA+P9FqmZwlNgfx TiQgK5nCu8GS6xSoX5gSe5tOGCI62NJROYD778dIXhGeqy0zV5QoOHCGJ0Q3JUmtce IMs5RrmvX1UlCXUzO6uRx9H7gz3cIllJwvm6ihic= Authentication-Results: ix1.dns-oarc.net; dmarc=none header.from=dns-oarc.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:52:04 -0000 Not for APN info, and not perfect, but for negotiating the hairball that is LTE frequency-band matching between handset/carrier/country/roaming, I found http://www.frequencycheck.com/ fairly useful, FWIW. Keith >> APN Voodo is just that. Sometimes stored in SIM, sometimes >> delivered over air, sometimes requiring manual config. And you >> thought the IETF had weird standards... > > For those who use iOS (iphone, ipad) there is a handy site > unlockit.co.nz. It asks you for country and carrier From nobody Sun Jul 17 01:01:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037D412D1A2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:01:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.189 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.189 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CiXhIEbeDSJu for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from givry.fdupont.fr (givry.fdupont.fr [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:6d55:211:5bff:fe98:d51e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B264F12B012 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from givry.fdupont.fr (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by givry.fdupont.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id u6H7xmH1025276; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:59:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dupont@givry.fdupont.fr) Message-Id: <201607170759.u6H7xmH1025276@givry.fdupont.fr> From: Francis Dupont To: David Sinicrope In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:57:19 -0000. Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:59:48 +0200 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Confirm Lost/delayed bag info X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:01:08 -0000 I was at the same place yesterday so I learnt the hard way the answer to this: - bag tag numbers (this is clearly a big issue) it is the number below the bar code beginning by the company 2 letter code (so ignore the digits before). BTW I succeeded the whole process but I never received any live sign from the system... 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:03:29 -0000 --_000_HE1PR0701MB285941E32BE7776B1C1BDE8291350HE1PR0701MB2859_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For a social ticket I offer additional to the regular ticket price, a voucher for a 3 Course Dinner with corresponding wines inclusive. The voucher can be used in the hotel Restaurant L.A. Cafe on any week day. PLMK in case you cannot use your ticket. Cheers, Mehmet From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue,= Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:18 PM To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Suspected SPAM - [96attendees] Anybody wanting to get rid of her/h= is social ticket? PLMK. 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For a social ticket I offer additiona= l to the regular ticket price,

a voucher for a 3 Course Dinner with = corresponding wines inclusive.

The voucher can be used in the hotel = Restaurant L.A. Cafe on any week day.

 

PLMK in case you cannot use your tick= et.

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendee= s-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:18 PM
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Suspected SPAM - [96attendees] Anybody wanting to get rid o= f her/his social ticket?

 

PLMK.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 

 

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<1497224257.357371.1468733128161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1497224257.357371.1468733128161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AD3678@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> To: Gregory Mirsky Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org>, Karen O'Donoghue , "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" , Mirjam Kuehne , Benoit Claise , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] [Mentoring-coordinators] Speed Mentoring : Noon on Sunday X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:56:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail-DB7A78B9-189C-49BA-96FF-986C567FF590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mentors, please!!! We have quite a few new people here! I could use some help! Thanks, Nalini Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Gregory Mirsky = wrote: >=20 > Will be there > =20 > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of nalin= i.elkins@insidethestack.com > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:25 AM > To: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> > Cc: Benoit Claise ; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org; Mi= rjam Kuehne ; Karen O'Donoghue > Subject: [96attendees] Speed Mentoring : Noon on Sunday > =20 > Hello All, > =20 > If you have time, please come to the Speed Mentoring session in Schoeneber= g at noon today. > =20 > In Speed Mentoring, newcomers and experienced IETFers spend five minutes t= alking to each other, then switch to another person. It has proven quite p= opular in the past. > =20 > Would love to see you there! > =20 > Thanks, >=20 > Nalini Elkins > IETF Mentoring Team > =20 > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --Apple-Mail-DB7A78B9-189C-49BA-96FF-986C567FF590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Mentors, please!!!

We have quite a few new people here!

I could use some help!

Thanks,
Nalini

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On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

Will be there

 

From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com
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Subject: [96attendees] Speed Mentoring : Noon on Sunday

 

Hello All,

 

If you have time, please come to the Speed Mentoring session in Schoeneberg at noon today.

 

In Speed Mentoring, newcomers and experienced IETFers spend five minutes talking to each other, then switch to another person.   It has proven quite popular in the past.

 

Would love to see you there!

 

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins

IETF Mentoring Team

 

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--Apple-Mail-DB7A78B9-189C-49BA-96FF-986C567FF590-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 03:27:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A913812D1B2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:27:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=me.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZGh1VfY4gCtm for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com (mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com [17.110.69.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1125A12D1A3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com by mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0OAG00C00F0YHD00@mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com> for 96attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:27:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.1.10.8] (173-11-110-134-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.11.110.134]) by mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0OAG008NSFP2CL30@mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com> for 96attendees@ietf.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:27:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2016-07-17_08:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=3 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510270003 definitions=main-1607170132 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 03:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Berlin Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-id: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-652319721-1468751227=:8431" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=4d515a; t=1468751228; bh=ZUGy2FlhHvb33pDIsa9vbl7EujvsDzum/5RwQ4PwJBw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-id:MIME-version:Content-type; b=lJkGQXx6ujX4uOOAig7+ZB3EPTeIb4Sx/GatrB12VykgXKoqvs03P81PJabvh1SP+ uYU+d+5lV/lksm4sGT95zEE/XHETietNb8dgplsDELxzTKi1VmTPz9Zkq9rr4DZ0r0 SUDWINjP0qHn5xfByLEWkDNEU16kjvm9fjG/0azPlu1oobWS7+vjXdHoiOVN7yIEHm +feBt+4X2ZomSkL8FWFgoSWpwp/tvvFyNjoK4tP+0afm1LXHqy7R0j7B9MOMPY6bdz gSTa4bNc6hTW8pvC2EEO3bC38IkA+yLg5as4u3rW7t7vWIOH+sw/UqGDiESstFXKgm y4YK4DlGwyu2A== Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] =?iso-8859-15?q?Organ_event_in_Mei=DFen_this_Friday?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:27:12 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-652319721-1468751227=:8431 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I know it's not next door, but if anyone is planning to skip Friday and travel around Germany, a wonderful event takes place in Meien, near Dresden this Friday: http://www.meissen-organ.info/ http://www.stadt-meissen.de/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissen I know at least one person who will be driving from Berlin to Meien for this event (not me, I need to get there earlier), so if you are interested I can put you in touch with the driver. Cheers, Ole Ole J. 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([2001:67c:370:136:1d2f:3260:5a7c:1a5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y8sm272379qkb.21.2016.07.17.04.05.33 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Jul 2016 04:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Falk Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_352E14A9-512B-477B-A889-18A836DDD29C" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:05:31 +0200 References: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:05:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_352E14A9-512B-477B-A889-18A836DDD29C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Five things: I have nearly a full roster of presentations so if you want to sign up, = best to do so soon. There are still a few slots. The event will be Thursday evening at 22:30 in Charlottenburg I. Yes, = it=E2=80=99s late. This is permit folks to get dinner beforehand. = Sleep in on Friday, you earned it. Stop by the hotel bar and pick up an adult beverage on the way. The = hotel doesn=E2=80=99t permit outside booze. Disclaimer: Neither the IETF nor I am responsible for what is presented. = This is a fun event, intended to be satirical, so be tolerant and bring = your sense of humor (but don=E2=80=99t be mean). =20 Tell your friends. > On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 >=20 > Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha > Thursday evening at 22:30 in Charlottenburg I >=20 > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in = Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on = the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk = lasting for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or = bad -- to be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic = should be a IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, = although not mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social = event. (It will be BYOB.) =20 > =20 > Format Details: > Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served. > To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to = aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation. > Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, = primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds). There = are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good = Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 = ], [3 ].=20= --Apple-Mail=_352E14A9-512B-477B-A889-18A836DDD29C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Five things:

  1. I have nearly a full roster of presentations so if you want = to sign up, best to do so soon.  There are still a few = slots.
  2. The event will be Thursday evening at 22:30 in = Charlottenburg I.  Yes, it=E2=80=99s late.  This is permit = folks to get dinner beforehand.  Sleep in on Friday, you earned = it.
  3. Stop by the hotel bar and pick up an adult = beverage on the way.  The hotel doesn=E2=80=99t permit outside = booze.
  4. Disclaimer: Neither the IETF nor I am = responsible for what is presented.  This is a fun event, intended = to be satirical, so be tolerant and bring your sense of humor (but = don=E2=80=99t be mean).  
  5. Tell your = friends.


On = Jul 7, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:


Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening at 22:30 in Charlottenburg = I

A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation = format, originating in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 = image-only slides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds and = advance automatically.  With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the = feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused = and brief.  This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a = IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not = mean-spirited.  Anyone can participate in this social event. = (It will be BYOB.)  
  
Format Details:
  • Presentation = slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title = to aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive = confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to adhere to the = Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, primarily image-only, automatically = advancing every 20 seconds).  There are lots of online = tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good Pecha Kucha.  Here = are a few: [1], = [2], [3]. 
= --Apple-Mail=_352E14A9-512B-477B-A889-18A836DDD29C-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 05:17:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B4A12D09A for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:17:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_RED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oVo9hQrV1WYZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52DF7127058 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 05:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79886d000002334-e5-578b6c1fa438 Received: from EUSAAHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.78]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id C6.0F.09012.F1C6B875; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC002.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:17:10 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Berlin Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[96attendees]_Organ_event_in_Mei=DFen_this_Friday?= Thread-Index: AQHR4BXN5D6brA0xl0uBxEWZ8oWqdqAcfNJw Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:17:09 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AD37CC@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrMLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPn658Tne4waF+S4u9U5uYHBg9liz5 yRTAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV8W/ybaaCFZwVGxfJNzCeZO9i5OSQEDCRmLZrHTOELSZx4d56 ti5GLg4hgaOMEi8bp7GAJIQEljNKnPjHB2KzCRhJvNjYA9YsIqAt8f3fFUYQW1jAX+LArH6o eIDEnSNbWCBsI4mNa6eBLWARUJV482MCWA2vgK/ExMPngXo5gOY7SPx/IA8S5hRwlHgyaw1Y KyPQPd9PrWECsZkFxCVuPZnPBHGngMSSPeehbhaVePn4HyuErSQx5/U1Zoh6PYkbU6ewQdja EssWvmaGWCsocXLmE5YJjKKzkIydhaRlFpKWWUhaFjCyrGLkKC0uyMlNNzLYxAgM+mMSbLo7 GO9P9zzEKMDBqMTDm7CuK1yINbGsuDL3EKMEB7OSCO/90u5wId6UxMqq1KL8+KLSnNTiQ4zS HCxK4rxijxTDhQTSE0tSs1NTC1KLYLJMHJxSDYw6SrkMEq0xwfP+3FKtdXphv+mZemPatroL sRycz/9aZ4QcF/NzU+wL2uO3Xfj21GrPDTOE9kbO8bq5SWo2z2Jv5ecpZ3t+/ey85Trv7mQ2 8QUXp53+8Va7+oM9+6bZBV36y11r8w4emVP3PXbOz45MZue9P+dLNCjOtnFvMTw5u2GfSPbn EF0lluKMREMt5qLiRABK6TBFdgIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?Organ_event_in_Mei=DFen_this_Friday?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:17:13 -0000 Another music attraction for Friday, though in Berlin, Classic Open Air, Gendarmenmarkt: http://www.classicopenair.de/en/programme= /22-juli-2016=20 If you're staying over the weekend, lucky you, they have two more events. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole Ja= cobsen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:27 PM To: Berlin Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [96attendees] Organ event in Mei=DFen this Friday I know it's not next door, but if anyone is planning to skip Friday and tra= vel around Germany, a wonderful event takes place in Mei=DFen, near Dresden= this Friday: http://www.meissen-organ.info/ http://www.stadt-meissen.de/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissen I know at least one person who will be driving from Berlin to Mei=DFen for = this event (not me, I need to get there earlier), so if you are interested = I can put you in touch with the driver. Cheers, Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com From nobody Sun Jul 17 10:06:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FCF12B027 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wrteGV3DePOM for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com [23.79.238.179]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B5012B00C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CD442373D; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay10.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay10.akamai.com [172.27.118.251]) by prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2348242373A; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:06:00 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1468775160; bh=fYKrTWogCIaGl5CkoOv3lhkPViB3eEmEx4JBboNeZZw=; l=1077; h=From:To:CC:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=v6VyNNkbC+X4fozBDxhGe2z8GJF3mo1/5WAwD9CoiNHnvZZpAnnXX8OQynr6KGvb6 dXukucgcxB+01qbZUA+QXJ0IgMJv+DzsFuI7LRQPqHk1bn9OXInSmI9mnMSQ6+k7hq Av9jCUwkR4UxbYwYOwitlpSX2dtzYSNtmogAP5AQ= Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com (ecp.msg.corp.akamai.com [172.27.123.34]) by prod-mail-relay10.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DF91FC86; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB5.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.105) by usma1ex-dag1mb5.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:05:59 -0400 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB5.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.105]) by usma1ex-dag1mb5.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.105]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:05:59 -0400 From: "Short, Todd" To: Keith Mitchell Thread-Topic: [96attendees] SIM Card Success Thread-Index: AQHR3hYJcoeSgmVnzkaTZ/TEhYkW8KAY4LgAgAAClQCAAGNUgIAANGiAgAHrboCAABXXgIAAEUeAgAAIVwCAABFSgIAARMgAgACbA4CAAFfF9Q== Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:05:58 +0000 Message-ID: <61803E85-5FA4-44DA-B7F5-7AA076534946@akamai.com> References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> <578A4705.1050803@dns-oarc.net> <20160716172852.GI7377@cisco.com> <700547D5-8499-41C4-BED2-43A10BF78CFD@hostmaster.ua>, <578B3917.5040806@dns-oarc.net> In-Reply-To: <578B3917.5040806@dns-oarc.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:06:07 -0000 Vodafone reportedly had a decent local SIM: http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Euro7 There's a Vodafone store not too far away from the Intercontinental.=20 -- -Todd Short // Sent from my iPhone // "One if by land, two if by sea, three if by the Internet." > On Jul 17, 2016, at 09:52, Keith Mitchell wrote: >=20 > Not for APN info, and not perfect, but for negotiating the hairball that > is LTE frequency-band matching between handset/carrier/country/roaming, > I found http://www.frequencycheck.com/ fairly useful, FWIW. >=20 > Keith >=20 >=20 >>> APN Voodo is just that. Sometimes stored in SIM, sometimes=20 >>> delivered over air, sometimes requiring manual config. And you=20 >>> thought the IETF had weird standards... >>=20 >> For those who use iOS (iphone, ipad) there is a handy site=20 >> unlockit.co.nz. It asks you for country and carrier >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Sun Jul 17 11:35:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F3E12D111 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cN4xklMqmeQm for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FDE7127078 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from butte-1844.fritz.box (p4FF77294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.247.114.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B0A0155A; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_04C35638-1527-4637-A6BB-584A1424236C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: <61803E85-5FA4-44DA-B7F5-7AA076534946@akamai.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:35:19 +0200 Message-Id: <856A59D7-E804-4FE2-8DE4-91816F962EF9@bangj.com> References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> <578A4705.1050803@dns-oarc.net> <20160716172852.GI7377@cisco.com> <700547D5-8499-41C4-BED2-43A10BF78CFD@hostmaster.ua> <578B3917.5040806@dns-oarc.net> <61803E85-5FA4-44DA-B7F5-7AA076534946@akamai.com> To: "Short, Todd" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:35:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_04C35638-1527-4637-A6BB-584A1424236C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 17, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Short, Todd wrote: >=20 > Vodafone reportedly had a decent local SIM: >=20 > http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Euro7 >=20 > There's a Vodafone store not too far away from the Intercontinental. >=20 > -- > -Todd Short This page says it auto-renews every 28 days. That makes it sound like = you can't just pay cash but must set up an account. It seemed as though in the initial post with the Blau SIM you could just = pay cash and not create any accounts. Tom --Apple-Mail=_04C35638-1527-4637-A6BB-584A1424236C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXi8/nAAoJEPk0GMVmUuYMgqEIANXMUYHResWQX6bi+9lW+Xqc hvOkTBpXvDeSvvrOw5vjKW8QpJ/MUCUcj5Kmopn9hLVDNCm6XE90wE+Qt/aNOPNa HaJumTFS3aYzrCxo0LdSsWw5mX6nLx2liz+fdrdKiXj3phI7ePXELoFeZK6gNiVu d7QHR954TUfn8iYZYa8HTWxHPZAJBLjJdPr5W1dKCFQzS3Nm/dmBAryCv8me1IfD 2emaJU5e//y8Wd3vnRWNY3PL8IXrEcINGeRnKmwfm0Schc2+sJDTRnfWvbKM4gAg kI35/00zCmMrIG+UqsIaBDv6feqO+KREJyZ2mGR0dJcTaMf0xZYxYCfHkrZM300= =H9rK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_04C35638-1527-4637-A6BB-584A1424236C-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 12:11:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C92212D13F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ujNaARsWa74K for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com [23.79.238.179]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12A712D129 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F6142373D; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:11:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com [172.27.118.250]) by prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A8342370B; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:11:00 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1468782660; bh=xcWPUuMQoWwe1b7lJeSqjeyxBJX/+zsI9KHbQ1dSf/k=; l=1306; h=From:To:CC:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=KPpWC1yEaPMyJGKG7l3oAxkenGJ+I8bkcYXK89QPePGvOqeA21TdmjEynIBqMSKg0 8SQx0bSU7tGhUdJmc4CntuIxruUB/Y4q7RAWNAaywuOYHSYe3NpGNcIGmHLUGNWDpK P9VvrpcYe6ewaW4bc2t7DpHA88yKSk+7AGs6jHZI= Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com (usma1ex-casadmn.msg.corp.akamai.com [172.27.123.33]) by prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E331FC88; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:11:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB5.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.105) by usma1ex-dag1mb5.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:11:00 -0400 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB5.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.105]) by usma1ex-dag1mb5.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.105]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:11:00 -0400 From: "Short, Todd" To: Tom Pusateri Thread-Topic: [96attendees] SIM Card Success Thread-Index: AQHR3hYJcoeSgmVnzkaTZ/TEhYkW8KAY4LgAgAAClQCAAGNUgIAANGiAgAHrboCAABXXgIAAEUeAgAAIVwCAABFSgIAARMgAgACbA4CAAFfF9YAAXASA///G6l4= Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:11:00 +0000 Message-ID: <77A4B378-91F1-4D7E-8086-0CE48AB264A7@akamai.com> References: <20160715000748.41169.qmail@ary.lan> <6a3655d8-6506-9fd3-effa-1489c2bb7d10@restena.lu> <5788AAC7.3000103@dns-oarc.net> <578A4705.1050803@dns-oarc.net> <20160716172852.GI7377@cisco.com> <700547D5-8499-41C4-BED2-43A10BF78CFD@hostmaster.ua> <578B3917.5040806@dns-oarc.net> <61803E85-5FA4-44DA-B7F5-7AA076534946@akamai.com>, <856A59D7-E804-4FE2-8DE4-91816F962EF9@bangj.com> In-Reply-To: <856A59D7-E804-4FE2-8DE4-91816F962EF9@bangj.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] SIM Card Success X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:11:03 -0000 It's prepaid, so you shouldn't have to give credit card info, or anything. = The account is required because all SIMs in Germany need to be registered f= or anti-terrorism/crime. At least that's what I got out of it.=20 But that link was primarily for buying a SIM in Germany and roaming through= out the EU.=20 Here's more general info on German SIMs: http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Germany I currently have a Spain Orange SIM that will run out of credit tomorrow...= (Spain also requires registration).=20 -- -Todd Short // Sent from my iPhone // "One if by land, two if by sea, three if by the Internet." > On Jul 17, 2016, at 20:35, Tom Pusateri wrote: >=20 >> On Jul 17, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Short, Todd wrote: >>=20 >> Vodafone reportedly had a decent local SIM: >>=20 >> http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Euro7 >>=20 >> There's a Vodafone store not too far away from the Intercontinental. >>=20 >> -- >> -Todd Short >=20 > This page says it auto-renews every 28 days. That makes it sound like you= can't just pay cash but must set up an account. >=20 > It seemed as though in the initial post with the Blau SIM you could just = pay cash and not create any accounts. >=20 > Tom >=20 >=20 From nobody Sun Jul 17 14:17:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1964712D0FE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:17:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.608 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eG1JkeZoC7wN for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset=utf-8 As is my general habit, attached is a version of the IETF meeting agenda = formatted to fit double-sided on a single sheet of A4 paper, with space = on the right for handwritten annotations. In the past a few people have thanked me and said they found it useful, = so here is the IETF 96 Agenda formatted that way. Microsoft Word doc and a PDF file are attached. If it=E2=80=99s the same as previous meetings, the IETF Terminal Room = printer can print double-sided. 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Jul 2016 20:39:36 -0000 --001a114b30e29737220537c6b7c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As another data point I forgot to get a sim card at the airport. This eve I found T-Mobile down the street from the hotel and they were sold out of pre-paid sim cards. I went to Saturn (electronics reseller) and they sold me 2 O2 sim cards for 10E (buy one get the second one free). Each card has 750MB on it and 10e worth of talk time. I haven't tested it heavily but it seemed to work OK in my Nexus 4. Tom MK -- Tom M Kroeger 415-891-7765 google / 831-325-4186 mobile On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > APN Voodo is just that. Sometimes stored in SIM, sometimes delivered over > air, sometimes requiring manual config. And you thought the IETF had weird > standards... > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor & Publisher > The Internet Protocol Journal > Cell: +1 415 370-4628 > docomo: (090) 3337 9311 > http://protocoljournal.org > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 16, 2016, at 19:28, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Is there any good "APN FAQ" ? I would love to understand better how > the phone selects the APN(s)) it tries. Are there any APNs stored on the > SIM itself, or is the list of APNs to try solely in the > phone/client-device ? > > I just had trouble with an ATT prepaid card which i could make work in > a router nor 4.4.4 cyanogen android, and everybody told me to use APN > "broadband". > ultimately i could make it work with APN "nxtgenphone". Worst part was that > "broadband" looked as if data connection was there (aka: symbol for 3G on), > but didn't get an IP address. Unlike other APNs i tried where '3G' never > came up. > Aka: confusing diagnostics, only way to figure out solution is exhaustive > trial and > error. Who the heck did standardize this APN mess ? Somebody who hates > users > or some security fetishish "error diagnostics are attack vectors.." ? > *sigh* > > On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:59:01PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2016, Ted Lemon wrote: > > > I just picked up another Telekom sim card. 20 euros, 500mb. Not a great > > deal, but I didn't want to waste time doing more shopping. Service > > works well. The lady who sold it to me spoke excellent English. > > > I heard someone else say that they did stick this into their Android phone > > (prepaid card from Telekom DE), and the automatically configured APN was > > IPv4 only. The person then manually changed APN, and then got dual stack. > > > I'd be interested in more reports like this, because I'm trying to get > > this fixed and want to understand if this happen to everybody. > > > Deutsche Telekom (DTAG / Telekom) mobile network should be dual stack for > > most modern devices, and if it's not, I'd like to get it fixed. > > > Feel free to email me offline with reports. > > > -- > > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > -- > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a114b30e29737220537c6b7c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As another data point I forgot to get a sim card at the ai= rport.=C2=A0 This eve I found T-Mobile down the street from the hotel and t= hey were sold out of pre-paid sim cards.=C2=A0 I went to Saturn (electronic= s reseller) and they sold me 2 O2 sim cards for 10E (buy one get the second= one free).=C2=A0 Each card has 750MB on it and 10e worth of talk time.=C2= =A0

I haven't tested it heavily but it seemed to wor= k OK in my Nexus 4.


=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tom MK

--
Tom M Kroeger
41= 5-891-7765 google / 831-325-4186 mobile

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Ole Jacobse= n <olejacobsen@me.com> wrote:
APN Voodo is just that. Sometimes stored in SIM= , sometimes delivered over air, sometimes requiring manual config. And you = thought the IETF had weird standards...

Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor & Publisher
The Int= ernet Protocol Journal
docomo: (090) 3337 9311

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2016, at 19:28, Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> wrote:

Is there any good "APN FAQ"= ? I would love to understand better how
the phone selects = the APN(s)) it tries. Are there any APNs stored on the
SIM = itself, or is the list of APNs to try solely in the phone/client-device ?

I just had trouble with an ATT prepaid car= d which i could make work in
a router nor 4.4.4 cyanogen a= ndroid, and everybody told me to use APN "broadband".
<= span> ultimately i could make it work with APN "nxtgenphone". Wor= st part was that
"broadband" looked as if data c= onnection was there (aka: symbol for 3G on),
but didn'= t get an IP address. Unlike other APNs i tried where '3G' never cam= e up.
Aka: confusing diagnostics, only way to figure out s= olution is exhaustive trial and
error. Who the heck did st= andardize this APN mess ? Somebody who hates users
or some= security fetishish "error diagnostics are attack vectors.." ? *s= igh*

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 06:59:01PM +0= 200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On= Sat, 16 Jul 2016, Ted Lemon wrote:

I just picked up another Telekom sim card. 20 euros,= 500mb. Not a great
deal, but I didn't want to wa= ste time doing more shopping.=C2=A0 Service
works well.= The lady who sold it to me spoke excellent English.

I heard someone else say that they did stick thi= s into their Android phone
(prepaid card from Telekom DE), and the automatically configured AP= N was
IPv4 only. Th= e person then manually changed APN, and then got dual stack.

I'd be interested in more reports like this, beca= use I'm trying to get
this fixed and want to understand if this happen to everybody.

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">Deutsche Telekom (DTAG / Telekom) mobile net= work should be dual stack for
most modern devices, and if it's not, I'd like to get it= fixed.

<= /blockquote>
Feel free to email me offline w= ith reports.
=
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Mikael Abrahamsson =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0email= : swmike@swm.pp.se

_____________________________________= __________
96attende= es mailing list
96attendees@ietf.org<= /a>
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--001a114b30e29737220537c6b7c8-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 23:49:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CF712D583 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 04:24:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FL5IqW5ECrFI for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 04:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.recompile.se (tower.recompile.se [88.80.28.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 201F712D1AC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 04:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.recompile.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73E036039A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:24:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tower.recompile.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8C5A36010B; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:24:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Teddy Hogeborn To: "96attendees\@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> References: Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:24:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Mehmet Ersue's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:18:12 +0000") Message-ID: <87shv8y0au.fsf@tower.recompile.se> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:49:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [96attendees] Anybody wanting to get rid of her/his social ticket? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:24:46 -0000 "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" writes: Add your name to the wiki page at . Anyone looking to sell their tickets, please use the queue there. /Teddy Hogeborn From nobody Mon Jul 18 01:30:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF40312B03B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, PLING_QUERY=0.994, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NEvJoQIDuREx for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCB0C12D150 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-a3ea.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-a3ea.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.163.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFC68428B; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:30:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Olle E. Johansson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:30:23 +0200 Message-Id: <831041B9-3E6D-4F69-9156-6799F6EEE1CF@edvina.net> To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Olle E Johansson Subject: [96attendees] Write slides? Use slide numbers! X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:30:29 -0000 Just a short reminder: In order to help communication between jabber scribes and remote = participation, please add slide numbers to your slide deck prior to uploading. Thank you! /O= From nobody Mon Jul 18 01:40:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BF912D09F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:40:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, URIBL_RED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-bRtjgXhSIZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de (tcmail33.telekom.de [80.149.113.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6D0612B006 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qdezc2.de.t-internal.com ([10.125.181.10]) by tcmail31.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 18 Jul 2016 10:40:17 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,383,1464645600"; d="scan'208";a="492705468" Received: from he105660.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.169.119.56]) by qde0ps.de.t-internal.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 18 Jul 2016 10:40:16 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.58) by HE105660.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:40:16 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4]) by HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4%26]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:40:16 +0200 From: To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?[96attendees]=09Organ_event_in_Mei=DFen_this_Friday?= Thread-Index: AQHR4CU0aFH8ySwa/EORa25FM8YcC6Ad3rOQ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: <1dc48f171687471b86d14670031b1cbc@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AD37CC@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AD37CC@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.213.222.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?iso-8859-1?q?Organ_event_in_Mei=DFen_this_Friday?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:40:42 -0000 Hi, The classic open air is very popular so it might be difficult to get ticket= s. You should try to buy them in advance and not rely on buying them at the= event. Regards Nic -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Grego= ry Mirsky Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Juli 2016 14:17 An: Berlin Attendees Betreff: Re: [96attendees] Organ event in Mei=DFen this Friday Another music attraction for Friday, though in Berlin, Classic Open Air, Ge= ndarmenmarkt: http://www.classicopenair.de/en/programme/22-juli-2016 If you're staying over the weekend, lucky you, they have two more events. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole Ja= cobsen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:27 PM To: Berlin Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [96attendees] Organ event in Mei=DFen this Friday I know it's not next door, but if anyone is planning to skip Friday and tra= vel around Germany, a wonderful event takes place in Mei=DFen, near Dresden= this Friday: http://www.meissen-organ.info/ http://www.stadt-meissen.de/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissen I know at least one person who will be driving from Berlin to Mei=DFen for = this event (not me, I need to get there earlier), so if you are interested = I can put you in touch with the driver. Cheers, Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 18 03:44:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA9C12D83C for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 03:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m4zSC40VXZPE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 03:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03E8212D852 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 03:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6IAiKHN015349 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:44:20 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6IAiKHN015349 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1468838660; bh=wGzbxVYsyw8zh20eb9OP3+jEFa8=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:References; b=5wRX5hUwpAShCh6K3YmauKNhDVpDK4DvTXKQvTEblirbqVNG6Nc1js4lUtVSI5jc4 ROf6o8WcwXUiHpdyNL3O1oWY31IFNYOfWgwTlCTezCjgNiW42SME5+fro6oSQKlNK/ Oyk2tWl4y9cX5j4Rk94ffqydSkx+DlcFLly9tyMo= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6HBiK2615903159Ib ret-id none; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:44:20 +0100 Received: from dhcp-9b00.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9b00.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.155.0]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6IAiD1g025562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:44:14 +0100 From: Tim Chown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:45:20 +0100 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6HBiK261590315900; tid=s6HBiK2615903159Ib; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6IAiKHN015349 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:44:29 -0000 Hi, I couldn=E2=80=99t find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting hotel. = Is there one, or a snack place nearby outside? 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:45:57 -0000 if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, there is a small café with sandwiches and 1€ espressos. Cheers, Cristián On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote: > Hi, > > I couldn’t find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting hotel. Is there one, or a snack place nearby outside? > > Thanks, > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 18 03:48:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0596312D80B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 03:48:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fRfMG7fi8nfF for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 03:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C6D512D869 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 03:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6IAmkYF016463; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:48:46 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6IAmkYF016463 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1468838927; bh=VMAhfu00GKLyMB04FidH2KbysCA=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=s1+B3OHe0ch8PpabcStKiFOQXxhgVBUH6wbb1DA70bDqWkzUaUDbsi512ew8f8T0p /VpG+ikUQ7w+CH7ljKyZm5rX5uQVLU9OoVQmv286Cr0Yb8UfTNwxqZvhw/Rs+ApcVX N3m91Q4StO3ZRlH+pvrkwICeSDzI3whvxhPlDLyg= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6HBmk26159031881V ret-id none; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:48:47 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:91c8:1613:ed42:694] ([IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:91c8:1613:ed42:694]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6IAmerH026828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:48:41 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:49:48 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: Cristian Varas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6HBmk261590318800; tid=s6HBmk26159031881V; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=2:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6IAmkYF016463 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:58:18 -0000 https://goo.gl/maps/D52q9g86fVy Cafe B=C3=A4ckerei Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe 101-104, 10787 Berlin, Germany 6 minutes from the hotel. -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim = Chown Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 PM To: Cristian Varas Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? > On 18 Jul 2016, at 11:45, Cristian Varas = wrote: >=20 > if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, there is a small = caf=C3=A9 with sandwiches and 1=E2=82=AC espressos. Smashing, thanks! Tim >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Cristi=C3=A1n >=20 > On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I couldn=E2=80=99t find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting = hotel. 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:16:48 -0000 --94eb2c037d847ca4580537e71a0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bikini Berlin, a small mall out and to the right past the aquarium, has a range of options. Walter On Monday, July 18, 2016, ilyav wrote: > https://goo.gl/maps/D52q9g86fVy > > Cafe B=C3=A4ckerei > Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe 101-104, 10787 Berlin, Germany > > 6 minutes from the hotel. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org ] On > Behalf Of Tim Chown > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Cristian Varas > > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? > > > On 18 Jul 2016, at 11:45, Cristian Varas < > cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk > wrote: > > > > if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, there is a small > caf=C3=A9 with sandwiches and 1=E2=82=AC espressos. > > Smashing, thanks! > > Tim > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Cristi=C3=A1n > > > > On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I couldn=E2=80=99t find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting hotel.= Is > there one, or a snack place nearby outside? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --=20 Sent from Gmail Mobile --94eb2c037d847ca4580537e71a0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bikini Berlin, a small mall out and to the right past the aquarium, has a r= ange of options.=C2=A0

Walter

On Mon= day, July 18, 2016, ilyav <vers= hkov.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
https://goo.gl/maps/= D52q9g86fVy

Cafe B=C3=A4ckerei
Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe 101-104, 10787 Berlin, Germany

6 minutes from the hotel.

-----Original Message-----
From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@i= etf.org] On Behalf Of Tim Chown
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Cristian Varas <cristian@broadba= ndspeedchecker.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop?

> On 18 Jul 2016, at 11:45, Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk> wrote:
>
> if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, there is a sma= ll caf=C3=A9 with sandwiches and 1=E2=82=AC espressos.

Smashing, thanks!

Tim

>
> Cheers,
>
> Cristi=C3=A1n
>
> On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I couldn=E2=80=99t find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting ho= tel.=C2=A0 Is there one, or a snack place nearby outside?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>>
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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: miconda@mail.com List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:28:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------780EF7988E100078BE06CAA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Across Bikini mall is Europa Center, another mall, older and bigger -- it's behind the Palace Hotel, with one entry walking further on the left side of the Palace hotel entrance. There is a small fast food court (sandwitches, sausages, asian style, pizza, pasta, ...). Inside is also Saturn, a big electronics store, just in case someone needs power adapters, sim cards, etc... Cheers, Daniel On 18/07/16 13:16, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Bikini Berlin, a small mall out and to the right past the aquarium, > has a range of options. > > Walter > > On Monday, July 18, 2016, ilyav > wrote: > > https://goo.gl/maps/D52q9g86fVy > > Cafe Bckerei > Kurfrstenstrae 101-104, 10787 Berlin, Germany > > 6 minutes from the hotel. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of Tim Chown > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Cristian Varas > > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? > > > On 18 Jul 2016, at 11:45, Cristian Varas > > wrote: > > > > if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, there is a > small caf with sandwiches and 1 espressos. > > Smashing, thanks! > > Tim > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Cristin > > > > On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I couldnt find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting hotel. > Is there one, or a snack place nearby outside? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda --------------780EF7988E100078BE06CAA5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Across Bikini mall is Europa Center, another mall, older and bigger -- it's behind the Palace Hotel, with one entry walking further on the left side of the Palace hotel entrance. There is a small fast food court (sandwitches, sausages, asian style, pizza, pasta, ...).

Inside is also Saturn, a big electronics store, just in case someone needs power adapters, sim cards, etc...

Cheers,
Daniel

On 18/07/16 13:16, Walter Pienciak wrote:
Bikini Berlin, a small mall out and to the right past the aquarium, has a range of options.

Walter

On Monday, July 18, 2016, ilyav <vershkov.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
https://goo.gl/maps/D52q9g86fVy

Cafe Bckerei
Kurfrstenstrae 101-104, 10787 Berlin, Germany

6 minutes from the hotel.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop?

> On 18 Jul 2016, at 11:45, Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk> wrote:
>
> if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, there is a small caf with sandwiches and 1 espressos.

Smashing, thanks!

Tim

>
> Cheers,
>
> Cristin
>
> On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I couldnt find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting hotel. Is there one, or a snack place nearby outside?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
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>> 96attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees
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--------------780EF7988E100078BE06CAA5-- From nobody Mon Jul 18 05:43:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A68212D969 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:43:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iIWKtmFSFmVj for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FE4512B069 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 12FF0A3; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:43:20 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1468845800; bh=hl85ZFjYs//DRr6z9LWII3g+mQKo0PdLwi4Ntb5puXM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KHaw/6EKufwzG7ELCjMAhXcIKXBjzxbLm3i6xeCPb0EPuRTc5osffhbh/g1XKhsMJ 5qmdBXhyk8ahEfaXmp1QGo8vlpSYWXmuCbtGwGKtuHBo3KxVenCOa5LQnhZo9kMpXq S/Kmhm17T4GNN/MMzN/BQjzuz8urC7hdmoZLhxP0= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09422A2; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:43:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Daniel-Constantin Mierla In-Reply-To: <1d551d99-9fd5-ea78-af71-5a86baead526@mail.com> Message-ID: References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000b01d1e0e3$409687a0$c1c396e0$@gmail.com> <1d551d99-9fd5-ea78-af71-5a86baead526@mail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-1928232108-1468845800=:2309" Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [96attendees] local electronics store (Re: Sandwich shop?) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:43:25 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-1928232108-1468845800=:2309 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote: > Inside is also Saturn, a big electronics store, just in case someone > needs power adapters, sim cards, etc... There is also a Conrad store due south from the Intercontinental, at Kleiststrae 30-31. They have lots of miscellanious electronics, tools etc. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-1928232108-1468845800=:2309-- From nobody Mon Jul 18 05:49:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6FB12B062 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:49:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hAHap3JZNurc for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail93.telekom.de (tcmail93.telekom.de [80.149.113.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B0C412B013 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q4de8psa169.blf.telekom.de ([10.151.13.200]) by tcmail91.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 18 Jul 2016 14:49:43 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,383,1464645600"; d="scan'208";a="1099277921" Received: from he105660.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.169.119.56]) by q4de8psazkj.blf.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 18 Jul 2016 14:49:40 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.58) by HE105660.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:49:39 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4]) by HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4%26]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:49:39 +0200 From: To: , Thread-Topic: [96attendees] local electronics store (Re: Sandwich shop?) Thread-Index: AQHR4PItwj9SHqc7ZUu5NN/5Kb9PVqAeI5kA Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:49:39 +0000 Message-ID: <6a8748647a0c4bf196d7ada1bb283940@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000b01d1e0e3$409687a0$c1c396e0$@gmail.com> <1d551d99-9fd5-ea78-af71-5a86baead526@mail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.213.241.35] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] local electronics store (Re: Sandwich shop?) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:49:54 -0000 Hi, the Conrad as well as a few more electronic shops are also in the wiki: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf96#electronics regards Nic -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Mikae= l Abrahamsson Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juli 2016 14:43 An: Daniel-Constantin Mierla Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Betreff: [96attendees] local electronics store (Re: Sandwich shop?) On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote: > Inside is also Saturn, a big electronics store, just in case someone=20 > needs power adapters, sim cards, etc... There is also a Conrad store due south from the Intercontinental, at Kleist= stra=DFe 30-31. They have lots of miscellanious electronics, tools etc. --=20 Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Mon Jul 18 06:04:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953F612DA14 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06Q9Pc7aDMuA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6E5212DA3D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.178.182] ([31.133.178.182]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MOOZ9-1bSgxg25w5-005tEg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:02:49 +0200 References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000b01d1e0e3$409687a0$c1c396e0$@gmail.com> <1d551d99-9fd5-ea78-af71-5a86baead526@mail.com> <6a8748647a0c4bf196d7ada1bb283940@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Daniel-Constantin Mierla Message-ID: <7f08b032-42b0-ece8-db8e-af4c439fb887@mail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:02:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6a8748647a0c4bf196d7ada1bb283940@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:WSubme6KATy0uW3/eUDFI5COF1rHLK5CRqqWSM4utOxAvMcAdZx nhxnTaATckBXk23yiq/JZE4stvgTYpTPNTSyNED2Gz2C8lo7/WfO2jATkXrBIulxuI4V7dt 8jXmrVxZDJ5NQeI3I0ijVNyMQsGvznzzvlpB+riqIq0+4OcoLGVlJDa5KeRSBrSAO4G1+2N eBeuajaQT2aHsIE3KARRA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:lgXm7F7m9Q4=:FdAc2b4VwPqqVPns1ZiBMm gfX7h0eIBqySB6c46lBcvyNcOyc+SqQ2PovNhSzj1zEm1/ELL9Wv3Whhxle1BuvAUgbghOent F7GOq4f0HIA1VYJi6aeFS12o2CL4xBFkQUqQKggVSkp/LSaeggZY0kg5pqFP8y8N9ihZv167N bA1hXbgXeZni0hv1M5FiheybKyQIk0EboObNfDoP1pX7dkgsTDT8L8KOZjWT+N4nXhw2GQon+ qahQVp/GA2Tf/XlVy+9wkdXog1wECoFDOwAM9fIPMnzVg2kjDdGf4f3zS3qUybWc4DQsV7L3/ p50zzGT5msrGmO9J7Gl5mcRE5xSrMhkkP7eRdSBncf8qqz4yw5xGXMCNDkCNYIO+1jTpWF+0P 0Oo3P0zVIp2eXEHZW9Jmw58WfgMJ52uD4oAD8o2BZnNcG5PIKv7llurwCZJ1CiI+jgFRefGa6 Y5jkYBoryoX9hewBj/g3IwcW1OGxgS8Q7u8Hxht3K+7EE9t11Y9l7i0pSN3aweNuf50CaK17g lmL+3jrIaM7QiVCKQX3H1Q5nlDSLJm4ne42kTfCtTrSCgeMtOMqeUnUIfuYvneU1vvgxdYYSC Q8w61/qWw+n6LEZZnntT4upg4gyoJrKcSrCpCTCmHyJrSsbpo1vMZvRCVh39/uQA2w/ZK/w2p YVcLh8AgjN1bM+HF3XxNWL5b3PxGs555zdwgbkMK1+Jn5Tkx2Lls7dQpEvQuW7XX8uhxtdsBY bHtAs67UtrXMVK5XXUjRyCAVKOkT8tQlOrgj6+xi5Pi5+droy2QlbltMhf0JH2mrHM425jQdU fCSEPzt Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] local electronics store (Re: Sandwich shop?) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: miconda@mail.com List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:04:08 -0000 Hello, On 18/07/16 14:49, N.Leymann@telekom.de wrote: > Hi, > > the Conrad as well as a few more electronic shops are also in the wiki: > > https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf96#electronics Saturn at Alexanderplatz might be bigger, but the one in Europa Center is not small either (spans over 4 floors) and it's 5min walking. To add to the list -- Cyberport should be inside Bikini Berlin mall (5 min walking, right side as exiting the hotel, going around Zoo). However, Cyberport is more a computer/mobile devices related store, than all electronics. Cheers, Daniel > > regards > > Nic > > -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- > Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Mikael Abrahamsson > Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juli 2016 14:43 > An: Daniel-Constantin Mierla > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Betreff: [96attendees] local electronics store (Re: Sandwich shop?) > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote: > >> Inside is also Saturn, a big electronics store, just in case someone >> needs power adapters, sim cards, etc... > There is also a Conrad store due south from the Intercontinental, at Kleiststrae 30-31. They have lots of miscellanious electronics, tools etc. > -- Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda From nobody Mon Jul 18 06:15:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B860F12DAB7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.193 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.193 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, PLING_QUERY=0.994, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id idaevrEkZeKT for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2BEF12DA63 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=JcK-HP8200) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bP8J9-00066p-Qc; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:10:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:09:58 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: "Olle E. Johansson" , 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <831245E3F3232DAAB7D469C7@JcK-HP8200> In-Reply-To: <831041B9-3E6D-4F69-9156-6799F6EEE1CF@edvina.net> References: <831041B9-3E6D-4F69-9156-6799F6EEE1CF@edvina.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Write slides? Use slide numbers! X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:15:01 -0000 --On Monday, July 18, 2016 10:30 +0200 "Olle E. Johansson" wrote: > Just a short reminder: > > In order to help communication between jabber scribes and > remote participation, please add slide numbers to your slide > deck prior to uploading. And make the numbers (like the text) large enough that they can actually be read from the back of the room and/or by a remote participant with a small screen. thanks, john From nobody Mon Jul 18 06:26:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC0212DAC3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:26:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, PLING_QUERY=0.994, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JWlYIgVuhIDN for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9133D12DACC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-a2d2.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-a2d2.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.162.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A69C8428B; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:16:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: <831245E3F3232DAAB7D469C7@JcK-HP8200> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:16:38 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <866DA9CF-5DBC-4770-81FC-9948BA3320D7@edvina.net> References: <831041B9-3E6D-4F69-9156-6799F6EEE1CF@edvina.net> <831245E3F3232DAAB7D469C7@JcK-HP8200> To: John C Klensin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Olle E Johansson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Write slides? Use slide numbers! X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:26:07 -0000 > On 18 Jul 2016, at 15:09, John C Klensin wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > --On Monday, July 18, 2016 10:30 +0200 "Olle E. Johansson" > wrote: >=20 >> Just a short reminder: >>=20 >> In order to help communication between jabber scribes and >> remote participation, please add slide numbers to your slide >> deck prior to uploading. >=20 > And make the numbers (like the text) large enough that they can > actually be read from the back of the room and/or by a remote > participant with a small screen. +1 In the two meetings I=E2=80=99ve participated in so far, the chairs = forgot to upload the slides. Please do remember to upload the slides both for remote and in-room participants. Thanks /O= From nobody Mon Jul 18 06:58:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922A212DD75 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hR__bVx-vron for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96CD512DAFB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id f6so67578894ith.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=eipG6nETXudCrEPOz3VaP7bd8iev3oDzbttuQYXpoec=; b=O+B1ILTZg2RVJZTekKIslZ890PpoAoRhhAZ/YtUiaeZ8PbEkwjcdBOpGUqW2vX2Y/8 eA2KBApS0gitnd0P8bqCYLtl36UQG1XR3gkZ35bXqYYwfFWTHXq8ewVPJU+kw1MoGtoc 3HBoamZBKUOKaJ6fcDG+aBzykUk/5KWKyL+0Q= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=eipG6nETXudCrEPOz3VaP7bd8iev3oDzbttuQYXpoec=; b=Fdk/AX0FUo5KVdD33k7CBH3ue/wHhToatKC4Z16mHktSya7xNBxxcBQRH4BQvzs7fk fh8CIyntVHKswlqloo0t5ZRsmugMK1chth47wgfmAGsbygSK3Ddo+kMKHetEuhGrjv7U r2wuoHpKia72w8lUzdQohwP6DkG95Gck0Es1EIzdlX8ZSqnCyqHXjbLf0C+jj7PSHQQg CJhOKqaV7ep8WZqDuPzobdDU4QkP1rZpi6RELoGpeQNWgb2dc8aOdPZQxsjCjdSrKh4l PLgqUiLDhrGLzAHlRwHGJTUWtHdb2U+bW3uz4EzrsXkkJikIGqgLwZ/4SiZ7sCF40SHW DgIg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKQm3qB/K8WzOFh5llLToVx5Tu0Z1HNM2w46+fgluaypE0JIVaE1KHG9VdommOEerIIcDVckHVdDNfo7Y+N MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.36.206.129 with SMTP id v123mr48971858itg.11.1468848772549; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.26.145 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:32:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1d551d99-9fd5-ea78-af71-5a86baead526@mail.com> References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000b01d1e0e3$409687a0$c1c396e0$@gmail.com> <1d551d99-9fd5-ea78-af71-5a86baead526@mail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:32:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: Pat Thaler To: "miconda@mail.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0af9fc5214010537e9011a Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:58:41 -0000 --94eb2c0af9fc5214010537e9011a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a tiny inconspicuous place very close on the back of the block across from the InterContinental. Cross the street at the light in front of the hotel and go straight (past the side of the Greek restaurant). Go left at the corner and it's on the left in the middle of the block. Yummy small sandwiches & croissants- a sandwich, drink and croissant was about 6 Euro. On Monday, July 18, 2016, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote= : > Across Bikini mall is Europa Center, another mall, older and bigger -- > it's behind the Palace Hotel, with one entry walking further on the left > side of the Palace hotel entrance. There is a small fast food court > (sandwitches, sausages, asian style, pizza, pasta, ...). > > Inside is also Saturn, a big electronics store, just in case someone need= s > power adapters, sim cards, etc... > > Cheers, > Daniel > > On 18/07/16 13:16, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > Bikini Berlin, a small mall out and to the right past the aquarium, has a > range of options. > > Walter > > On Monday, July 18, 2016, ilyav > wrote: > >> https://goo.gl/maps/D52q9g86fVy >> >> Cafe B=C3=A4ckerei >> Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe 101-104, 10787 Berlin, Germany >> >> 6 minutes from the hotel. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tim >> Chown >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Cristian Varas >> Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? >> >> > On 18 Jul 2016, at 11:45, Cristian Varas < >> cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk> wrote: >> > >> > if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, there is a small >> caf=C3=A9 with sandwiches and 1=E2=82=AC espressos. >> >> Smashing, thanks! >> >> Tim >> >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Cristi=C3=A1n >> > >> > On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I couldn=E2=80=99t find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting hotel= . Is >> there one, or a snack place nearby outside? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> 96attendees mailing list >> >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > 96attendees mailing list >> > 96attendees@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > -- > Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.comhttp://twitter.com/#!/mic= onda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda > > --94eb2c0af9fc5214010537e9011a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a tiny inconspicuous place very close on the back of the block acr= oss from the InterContinental. Cross the street at the light in front of th= e hotel and go straight (past the side of the Greek restaurant). Go left at= the corner and it's on the left=C2=A0in the middle of the block.=C2=A0=

Yummy small sandwiches & croissants- a sandwich, dr= ink and croissant was about 6 Euro.=C2=A0

On Monday, July 18, 2016, = Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda@ma= il.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Across Bikini mall is Europa Center, another mall, older and bigger -- it's behind the Palace Hotel, with one entry walking further on the left side of the Palace hotel entrance. There is a small fast food court (sandwitches, sausages, asian style, pizza, pasta, ...).

Inside is also Saturn, a big electronics store, just in case someone needs power adapters, sim cards, etc...

Cheers,
Daniel

On 18/07/16 13:16, Walter Pienciak wrote:
Bikini Berlin, a small mall out and to the ri= ght past the aquarium, has a range of options.=C2=A0

Walter

On Monday, July 18, 2016, ilyav <vershk= ov.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
https://goo.gl/maps/D52q9g86fVy

Cafe B=C3=A4ckerei
Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe 101-104, 10787 Berlin, Germany

6 minutes from the hotel.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:50 PM
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Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop?

> On 18 Jul 2016, at 11:45, Cristian Varas <cristian@bro= adbandspeedchecker.co.uk> wrote:
>
> if you walk to the right from the hotel's entrance, ther= e is a small caf=C3=A9 with sandwiches and 1=E2=82=AC espressos.
Smashing, thanks!

Tim

>
> Cheers,
>
> Cristi=C3=A1n
>
> On 18/07/16 12:45, Tim Chown wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I couldn=E2=80=99t find an obvious sandwich shop in the meeting hotel.=C2=A0 Is there one, or a snack place nearby outsid= e?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
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Some meetings show as a blank spot on the IOS IETFers app.= For example, the IETF web schedule shows L4S BOF in Potsdam I Tuesday 1400= - 1600 but the app shows it as an empty (null) slot in the app.

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--001a114469c4fc46a30537e967b6-- From nobody Mon Jul 18 08:07:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB4C12DC73 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:07:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ptFBIEEEDUa for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32D3312DAB5 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4F320859; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:41:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=Kg3Y82vg01Lkxct dHqXUi59Bhxg=; b=VCHg8oEbDtUMlj3KMxsUv4F2ttGqLhXqRocu7zDzq0hVuyq Tv4NyinlTyWtzzkoFXTLqb7fWsIz8hZtfneKp2MVAyeNkNyr7dw7z0+73lG6Bhu4 ck4UXTLOgOY+cvuVty2OKfsi9oeGvt8E1CWI1I6nd1QCy2IDqfF7tvBuZUeA= X-Sasl-enc: pdpMCcu/4AiXhfnrPaleXClejLL7q8/oOJkQxmUkKjSx 1468852866 Received: from [31.133.160.236] (dhcp-a0ec.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.160.236]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 513C0F29FD; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: <7f08b032-42b0-ece8-db8e-af4c439fb887@mail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:41:05 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8DC18398-9FCA-455A-9492-37986B1FEAC1@hostmaster.ua> References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000b01d1e0e3$409687a0$c1c396e0$@gmail.com> <1d551d99-9fd5-ea78-af71-5a86baead526@mail.com> <6a8748647a0c4bf196d7ada1bb283940@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <7f08b032-42b0-ece8-db8e-af4c439fb887@mail.com> To: miconda@mail.com Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] local electronics store (Re: Sandwich shop?) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:07:38 -0000 On 18 =EB=E8=EF. 2016 =F0., at 15:02, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote: >=20 > To add to the list -- Cyberport should be inside Bikini Berlin mall (5 > min walking, right side as exiting the hotel, going around Zoo). > However, Cyberport is more a computer/mobile devices related store, than > all electronics. They have 10Ah power banks for =8825 on sale. Nice for those who are using their phones a lot. 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Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8087267E-E0DB-49C5-9F76-123562C9603A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:51:07 +0200 Message-Id: <3E5ECAD1-C3BE-4511-AA46-9F35C5541A14@bangj.com> References: To: Pat Thaler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some meetings not showing on the IETFers app (IOS) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:14:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8087267E-E0DB-49C5-9F76-123562C9603A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Jul 18, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Pat Thaler = wrote: >=20 > Some meetings show as a blank spot on the IOS IETFers app. For = example, the IETF web schedule shows L4S BOF in Potsdam I Tuesday 1400 - = 1600 but the app shows it as an empty (null) slot in the app. >=20 > Regards, > Pat The missing sessions are the result of a large number of server errors = and timeouts returned by the IETF API servers. The best solution for now = is to delete the app and re-install it while you have good network = access. If it happens again, repeat. In the future, I expect both changes to the client to be more robust in = dealing with server errors and fixes to the server to stop sending 403 = Permission Denied errors will squelch this behavior. 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:04:58 -0000 Thank you Brian, this actually got me to the blissful state of connected= . As a side-note, I probably wasted about an hour and a half ust trying to= = follow the instructions given out before I found this message. After tha= t = it took me a mere 20 minutes to get something working. Along the way I tried out a Web client. Which esrved to convince me that= = sometimes an installed application is the right answer - such as for = messaging systems. On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:08:41 +0200, Rosen, Brian wrote: > If you use a mac, here is everything you should need. Not up to date = on = > Windows clients, sorry, and I=E2=80=99ve really had difficulty finding= an iOS = > client I was happy with. > > 1. Get an account. There is a list of servers at: https://xmpp.net/ .= = > I just used =E2=80=9Cchinwag.im=E2=80=9D successfully. It has an odd interface, but I too managed to get a working account ther= e. > 2. Get a client. I use Adium on my macbook: adium.im You can try = > Pidgin on Windows. When you choose an app, make sure the app supports= = > =E2=80=9Cgroup chat=E2=80=9D for xmpp (jabber). Not all do. I already use Adium, not because I like it but because I already have it= ... > 3. Login to the server on the client using the username/password you = > used to create the account. In Adium. File/Add an Account/XMPP = > (Jabber). Fill in your Jabber ID and password and click OK (don=E2=80= =99t click = > =E2=80=9CRegister Now=E2=80=9D if you created the account in step 1). (Note the step in parentheses is important) > 4. Join the room. In Adium File/Join Group Chat. The Chat room name = is = > the name of the workgroup, e.g. =E2=80=9Cdispatch", the server name is= = > =E2=80=9Cjabber.ietf.org". You do not need a password cheers Chaals -- = Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com From nobody Mon Jul 18 09:12:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028EE12DA88 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZN0OYh2oqeqK for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D518812DA85 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF7F200A7; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB20638D1; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? 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I didn't make it there this morning, so I will try again on Tuesday, since I can't make it there tonight. -- Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV4z/4ICLcPvd0N1lAQLstwf/QoGOnvWgdiJb+pxp232nIUqFdLDe/axC xhYL1t4E6rCAkn7idZEseRwIT4FzKEYVkmNp40ktWP75niKvp6oF3Fttzjrhl6XF dKL9THxdM3F10GWqTISnH6h5rf7h7hOVN1MSf52lE9l7QTL554YYFQGq0LTaT/gG caTtphDKJ8/z+X1UouXzwThHSkesQXnrvmPFwWlz3cr3xME5JIv6+L49sQo99eah VyRhQOImdKLYoZV8v+3HR0ZxnAE0N1aANQEBc93Tvrtll2Npj4ZzqUvQ+MXMOhZo De/r98b9+dR/ZDvWSecNyWcb9IBiQN1H8LNYUEp7T/QbHeFuU0uvSA== =KeRc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Jul 18 09:39:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4027C12DAA9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e3SRq7mycOro for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DA1312DA22 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CA9200A7; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12C5638D1; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: References: <85765D50-7B94-46F6-AFF1-454CCC225127@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: <22672.1468859418@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Sandwich shop? 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:45:08 -0000 --94eb2c05b4eebd8aff0537ebb050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There is a place close to the Intercontinental but I have not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. Regards, Diego On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > The meeting wiki pointed at: > https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf96 > > pointed at: > > Self-Service Laundry, > Togo Waschwelt, Uhlandstra > Michaele 53, 10719 Berlin, Germany - 2.5km from the InterContinental Berlin > open 6am-10pm > > I meant to go there this morning (with enough time to run the wash/dry > cycle), I was hoping that they would have wash +AND FOLD, (and pick up > later), but I am doubtful from the web site. I didn't make it there this > morning, so I will try again on Tuesday, since I can't make it there > tonight. > > -- > Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --94eb2c05b4eebd8aff0537ebb050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is a place close to the Intercon= tinental but I have
not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse = 37,
on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel.
Regards,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 Diego

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Mi= chael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

The meeting wiki pointed at:
https://www.ietf.org/registration/Meeting= Wiki/wiki/ietf96

pointed at:

Self-Service Laundry,
Togo Waschwelt, Uhlandstra
Michaele 53, 10719 Berlin, Germany - 2.5km from the InterContinental Berlin=
open 6am-10pm

I meant to go there this morning (with enough time to run the wash/dry
cycle), I was hoping that they would have wash +AND FOLD, (and pick up
later), but I am doubtful from the web site.=C2=A0 I didn't make it the= re this
morning, so I will try again on Tuesday, since I can't make it there to= night.

--
Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelma= n.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, After the IETF in regions meeting that the Internet Society held today, som= e of you contacted me saying that you could not attend due to the timing. We are therefore organising a working breakfast on Wednesday July 20 from 8= AM to 9 AM at Schinkel 1&2 at Intercontinental, to discuss about the activ= ities to promote IETF participation in Africa. Please kindly register at: = http://doodle.com/poll/u82pbyu4x8imvesi to help us plan for the breakfast. 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I didn't make it > there this morning, so I will try again on Tuesday, since I can't make > it there tonight. > -- > Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= > IPv6 IoT consulting =- > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software > Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing > list 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Mon Jul 18 13:50:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E32212B00D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=scss.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iN94Cpt232Iv for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 855F1126FDC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064D5BE4C; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:50:39 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4WzuvrFtb1SA; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:50:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.134.255.193] (unknown [46.189.28.84]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4FCEBE3F; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:50:36 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=scss.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1468875037; bh=2XUuMUhq7ueCnEUmG7Cqal9RobVOPj/QZW738EaSwRg=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Gb1R8zY6fTdOkDuJsukQZSuSVGye1C6YDAatPjHXhMSZOYkk/+5tB3oSS1oT2Clmb ndSKUPWuGeUFLbqpQsDdTku+947RMT5xyblSib1Q5r0bqcU5Y7EaCjvErcXFCncAcd y0GNqxjGNRuTA3nWvIwjWWEQ+IfbheN8oGVQEL9c= To: Diego Dujovne , Michael Richardson References: <18851.1468858345@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Elwyn Davies Message-ID: <95cffa56-7cc5-03c4-64cf-eb2ea438b628@scss.tcd.ie> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:50:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BBD5380E16C2C90BA797C360" Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:50:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BBD5380E16C2C90BA797C360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi On 18/07/2016 17:45, Diego Dujovne wrote: > There is a place close to the Intercontinental but I have > not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, > on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and it did the business. Regards, Elwyn > Regards, > > Diego > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Michael Richardson > > wrote: > > > The meeting wiki pointed at: > https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf96 > > pointed at: > > Self-Service Laundry, > Togo Waschwelt, Uhlandstra > Michaele 53, 10719 Berlin, Germany - 2.5km from the > InterContinental Berlin > open 6am-10pm > > I meant to go there this morning (with enough time to run the wash/dry > cycle), I was hoping that they would have wash +AND FOLD, (and pick up > later), but I am doubtful from the web site. I didn't make it > there this > morning, so I will try again on Tuesday, since I can't make it > there tonight. > > -- > Richardson >, Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > -- > Michael Richardson >, Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --------------BBD5380E16C2C90BA797C360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi


On 18/07/2016 17:45, Diego Dujovne wrote:
There is a place close to the Intercontinental but I have
not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37,
on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel.
We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and it did the business.

Regards,
Elwyn
Regards,

Diego

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

The meeting wiki pointed at:
https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/ietf96

pointed at:

Self-Service Laundry,
Togo Waschwelt, Uhlandstra
Michaele 53, 10719 Berlin, Germany - 2.5km from the InterContinental Berlin
open 6am-10pm

I meant to go there this morning (with enough time to run the wash/dry
cycle), I was hoping that they would have wash +AND FOLD, (and pick up
later), but I am doubtful from the web site. I didn't make it there this
morning, so I will try again on Tuesday, since I can't make it there tonight.

--
Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
-= IPv6 IoT consulting =-




--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
-= IPv6 IoT consulting =-




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Johansson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:55:30 +0200 Message-Id: <9C23DC3F-A2FF-48EE-AD47-0B5465224144@edvina.net> To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Olle E Johansson Subject: [96attendees] Keep your badges on! X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:04:45 -0000 Friends, I know it feels like many days of this great IETF has passed and that = you are a rockstar, a well-known person that has done great things. People here know you. Please remember all the rockstars of the future that is not aware of = your great reputation and your fame - yet. 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:09:30 -0000 --_000_D3B32E46CCB8Djehodgespaypalcorpcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? thx =3DJeffH --_000_D3B32E46CCB8Djehodgespaypalcorpcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <83C13A0AD5410D44B292639F434232FF@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards?

thx

=3DJeffH
--_000_D3B32E46CCB8Djehodgespaypalcorpcom_-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:11:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DF112D13E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=emc.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dk0HsE_2I-QS for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailuogwdur.emc.com (mailuogwdur.emc.com [128.221.224.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF84612B061 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maildlpprd51.lss.emc.com (maildlpprd51.lss.emc.com [10.106.48.155]) by mailuogwprd53.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id u6J8BLCT016712 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:11:21 -0400 X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd53.lss.emc.com u6J8BLCT016712 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=emc.com; s=jan2013; t=1468915881; bh=7oOF/KTSS+MgPiakrNWLJXf9Szg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=QmOnaT2oHtvNb+flpcr1w2KrndJqxD9r32b2i3gDMe49j6N3y/YFQgdvLdk9tABn6 +dAMjMOPSLU9qDp4KT3zTdHVfYpSl/hGafGUwiyzzhNVrKuj7lfOZrgTfu65d32OuH gbVWvrkSm/sRBVSbovkgbgQ3+FMv4/qGoWv++LD4= X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd53.lss.emc.com u6J8BLCT016712 Received: from mailusrhubprd01.lss.emc.com (mailusrhubprd01.lss.emc.com [10.253.24.19]) by maildlpprd51.lss.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:10:04 -0400 Received: from MXHUB307.corp.emc.com (MXHUB307.corp.emc.com [10.146.3.33]) by mailusrhubprd01.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id u6J8BHWd014187 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA256 bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:11:18 -0400 Received: from MX307CL04.corp.emc.com ([fe80::849f:5da2:11b:4385]) by MXHUB307.corp.emc.com ([10.146.3.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0266.001; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:11:17 -0400 From: "Black, David" To: "Hodges, Jeff" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: ATM nearby? Thread-Index: AQHR4ZTdPlQkN6fnxEenbR1Z67Ei2qAfZwhg Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:11:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.41.164] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CE03DB3D7B45C245BCA0D243277949362F5F14ADMX307CL04corpem_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd01.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:11:24 -0000 --_000_CE03DB3D7B45C245BCA0D243277949362F5F14ADMX307CL04corpem_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's the network logo on the debit card? Thanks, --David From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hodges= , Jeff Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:09 AM To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: [96attendees] ATM nearby? where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? thx =3DJeffH --_000_CE03DB3D7B45C245BCA0D243277949362F5F14ADMX307CL04corpem_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What’s the network = logo on the debit card?

 <= /p>

Thanks, --David

 <= /p>

From: 96attend= ees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hodges, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:09 AM
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [96attendees] ATM nearby?

 

where might be a nearby ATM= that will accept US debit cards?

 

thx

 

=3DJeffH<= /p>

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Johansson" In-Reply-To: <9C23DC3F-A2FF-48EE-AD47-0B5465224144@edvina.net> Message-ID: References: <9C23DC3F-A2FF-48EE-AD47-0B5465224144@edvina.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-630320334-1468915895=:2309" Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Keep your badges on! X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:11:39 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-630320334-1468915895=:2309 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > At the same time you will really help all the people volunteering to be > jabber scribes and note takers! Isn’t that great? > > Keep your badge on and be proud. You’re great! Also make sure your badge shows your name on both sides, don't put agendas and other pieces of papers that obscure one side of our name badge. They tend to spin around and showing that side, which means the jabber scribe will not be able to see your name. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-630320334-1468915895=:2309-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:13:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB10912DC00 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:13:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ibF841reM_Ry for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF7A112D13E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qdezc2.de.t-internal.com ([10.125.181.10]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 19 Jul 2016 10:13:49 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,388,1464645600"; d="scan'208,217";a="493374646" Received: from he111510.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.206.92.113]) by qde0ps.de.t-internal.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 19 Jul 2016 10:13:49 +0200 Received: from HE113506.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.206.92.142]) by HE111510.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:13:47 +0200 From: To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:13:46 +0200 Thread-Topic: ATM nearby? Thread-Index: AQHR4ZTdPlQkN6fnxEenbR1Z67Ei2qAfZvpQ Message-ID: <5C4A33410FE4BF469E487F89FC36F3E9E990E0CDDA@HE113506.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5C4A33410FE4BF469E487F89FC36F3E9E990E0CDDAHE113506emea1_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:13:57 -0000 --_000_5C4A33410FE4BF469E487F89FC36F3E9E990E0CDDAHE113506emea1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff, around the chruch on Breitscheidtplatz there are several ATM, at least one = at the train station Zoologischer Garten. Search for Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank, Reisebank in Google Maps to reveal t= he exact postion. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Sebastian Becker Erleben, was verbindet. Die gesetzlichen Pflichtangaben finden Sie unter: www.telekom.de/pflichtang= aben-dttechnik Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Hodge= s, Jeff Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 10:09 An: 96attendees@ietf.org Betreff: [96attendees] ATM nearby? where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? thx =3DJeffH --_000_5C4A33410FE4BF469E487F89FC36F3E9E990E0CDDAHE113506emea1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jeff,

 

=

around the chruch on Breitscheidtp= latz there are several ATM, at least one at the train station Zoologischer = Garten.

Sear= ch for Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank, Reisebank in Google Maps to reveal the e= xact postion.

Mit freundlichen Gr=FC= =DFen
Sebastian Becker

Erleben, was verbinde= t.

 
Die gesetzl= ichen Pflichtangaben finden Sie unter: www.telekom.de/pflichtang= aben-dttechnik
 

Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces= @ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Hodges, Jeff
Gesendet: Dienstag,= 19. Juli 2016 10:09
An: 96attendees@ietf.org
Betreff: = [96attendees] ATM nearby?

 

where might be a n= earby ATM that will accept US debit cards?

=

 

thx

=  

=3DJe= ffH

= --_000_5C4A33410FE4BF469E487F89FC36F3E9E990E0CDDAHE113506emea1_-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:16:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F390F12DC18 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0eWRG7tXmbO for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guelah.shrubbery.net (guelah.shrubbery.net [198.58.5.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71E112DC14 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by guelah.shrubbery.net (Postfix, from userid 7053) id 7B94D48DB1; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:16:08 +0000 From: heasley To: "Hodges, Jeff" Message-ID: <20160719081608.GB45860@shrubbery.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGPkey: http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/public-key.asc X-note: live free, or die! X-homer: i just want to have a beer while i am caring. X-Claimation: an engineer needs a manager like a fish needs a bicycle X-reality: only YOU can put an end to the embarrassment that is Tom Cruise User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:16:10 -0000 Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:09:25AM +0000, Hodges, Jeff: > where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? In IHG to the right of the Kaminzimmer, by the Telefons. From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:16:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1603C12DCB8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id doiWanktT02b for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail13.telekom.de (tcmail13.telekom.de [80.149.113.165]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49DF712DC0C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q4de8psa169.blf.telekom.de ([10.151.13.200]) by tcmail11.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 19 Jul 2016 10:16:10 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,388,1464645600"; d="scan'208,217";a="1099769684" Received: from he105661.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.169.119.57]) by q4de8psazkj.blf.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 19 Jul 2016 10:16:10 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.58) by HE105661.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.169.119.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:16:10 +0200 Received: from HE105662.EMEA1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4]) by HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::442c:834e:c489:d2c4%26]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:16:10 +0200 From: To: , , <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: ATM nearby? Thread-Index: AQHR4ZTdPlQkN6fnxEenbR1Z67Ei2qAfZvpQgAABHsA= Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:16:10 +0000 Message-ID: <2a973bbd46184a2ebd3d42bcde5d403c@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <5C4A33410FE4BF469E487F89FC36F3E9E990E0CDDA@HE113506.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> In-Reply-To: <5C4A33410FE4BF469E487F89FC36F3E9E990E0CDDA@HE113506.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.213.239.110] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2a973bbd46184a2ebd3d42bcde5d403cHE105662emea1cdstintern_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:16:46 -0000 --_000_2a973bbd46184a2ebd3d42bcde5d403cHE105662emea1cdstintern_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, there is also an ATM (Postbank) in the Hotel which you could try. It's whe= re the telephones are. Regards Nic Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Becke= r, Sebastian Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 10:14 An: jeff.hodges@paypal.com; 96attendees@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? Hi Jeff, around the chruch on Breitscheidtplatz there are several ATM, at least one = at the train station Zoologischer Garten. Search for Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank, Reisebank in Google Maps to reveal t= he exact postion. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Sebastian Becker Erleben, was verbindet. Die gesetzlichen Pflichtangaben finden Sie unter: www.telekom.de/pflichtang= aben-dttechnik Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Hodge= s, Jeff Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 10:09 An: 96attendees@ietf.org Betreff: [96attendees] ATM nearby? where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? thx =3DJeffH --_000_2a973bbd46184a2ebd3d42bcde5d403cHE105662emea1cdstintern_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 <= /p>

there is a= lso an ATM (Postbank) in the Hotel  which you could try. It’s wh= ere the telephones are.

 = ;

  Reg= ards

 = ;

 &nbs= p;  Nic

 = ;

Von: 96attende= es [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Becker, Sebastian
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 10:14
An: jeff.hodges@paypal.com; 96attendees@ietf.org
Betreff: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby?

 

Hi Jeff,

 <= /p>

around the= chruch on Breitscheidtplatz there are several ATM, at least one at the tra= in station Zoologischer Garten.

Search for= Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank, Reisebank in Google Maps to reveal the exact p= ostion.

Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen
Sebastian Becker

Erleben, was verbindet.

 
Die gesetzlichen Pflichtangaben finden Sie unter: www.telekom.de/pflichtangaben-dttechnik
 

Von: 96attende= es [mailto:96attendees-boun= ces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Hodges, Jeff
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 10:09
An: 96attendees@ietf.org=
Betreff: [96attendees] ATM nearby?

 

where might be a nearby ATM= that will accept US debit cards?

 

thx

 

=3DJeffH<= /p>

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Thread-Index: AQHR4ZTdPlQkN6fnxEenbR1Z67Ei2qAfq34A//+9IHA= Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:22:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160719081608.GB45860@shrubbery.net> In-Reply-To: <20160719081608.GB45860@shrubbery.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.41.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd03.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:22:37 -0000 Turn right out of front of Intercontinental - there's a Berliner Volksbank = on the left near the corner that's likely to work - continuing around the c= urve in front of that building and crossing Kurfursten Strasse to Nurnberge= r Strasse, there's a Weberbank just beyond the Crowne Plaza on the left tha= t worked fine w/my MasterCard debit card. Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of heas= ley > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:16 AM > To: Hodges, Jeff > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? >=20 > Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:09:25AM +0000, Hodges, Jeff: > > where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? >=20 > In IHG to the right of the Kaminzimmer, by the Telefons. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:32:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C3612DCC3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cdt.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eTC7_02640lL for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2733E12DB34 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id w127so14929960vkh.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:31:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1UPwWchYbowuMq5ykho6eg9J91L65hArcRnf4tVfehA=; b=RRQipnfsT9X8RRpjNYFg/UsFQR9n5yUOforNKcV6osp+F0c3o1exfvm+FUpt+pJ6PP Luljk/JGSjmpnTmfmQr14Ttb4pI04WzNqLLx518FMS4AxR5H8VvPvBHA6c0/b+8N83Ku IbPmqXas1t7UfyMFsh6LkJ3UBl0EGmovlijFU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1UPwWchYbowuMq5ykho6eg9J91L65hArcRnf4tVfehA=; b=Q86J1geD/efX3Zw+ybDSRemmGpSGzKaHgH8TjJ2I2ufAYlw/PPDjT+CzT693C2lj7y jsrHbz2fhuRKGW0zcRaa/rfxNb0QeU8o4Gk6RGlyU4+UcCjh7+X9Go596rS+j4okQKFd wXUT1DXJNLaGSe+dZncFLxDdrctwJFPRM1KukHB215pf8lSypflUI9Hhbg0eKycGqF0U +b39WxssW+ts8jzHRdoLcEJyklhkyUG/tMFvJHKxbrf183pj4PVOmAXf2pfxtQ6mUiTE Tz5OJm/ZkdWtpLFfuGTNl0mYSQwbBCtuuE1iK6mi52kWrGOjHaofxR0DG+JpQUbM1yuA IV4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL9FHOeMfLAr7A1+Cps7w5wDhw2mDFPq1FGbjrggQCUDQ1YJYLvvXpMcm3eO7PNMqwQoItxM8Q6Zwi9yQYr X-Received: by 10.176.1.8 with SMTP id 8mr19934403uak.93.1468917116183; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:31:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.29.71 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:31:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160719081608.GB45860@shrubbery.net> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:31:36 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Black, David" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: heasley , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Hodges, Jeff" Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:32:00 -0000 If you are a US Bank of America customer, they have an arrangement with Deutsch Bank so you don't pay any ATM fee (although you do an international transaction fee, as the wiki points out). The closest geldautomat (German for ATM) of Deutsch Bank is here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Deutsche+Bank+Filiale/@52.5037702,13.3396= 671,16z/data=3D!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47a850541232efe7:0x1f2f86ddbf379b83!2sDeut= sche+Bank+Filiale!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339!3m4!1s0x47a850541232efe7:0x= 1f2f86ddbf379b83!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339 you'll have to enter the door on the South side of that corner and there are like 8 ATMs. best, Joe On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Black, David wrote: > Turn right out of front of Intercontinental - there's a Berliner Volksban= k on the left near the corner that's likely to work - continuing around the= curve in front of that building and crossing Kurfursten Strasse to Nurnber= ger Strasse, there's a Weberbank just beyond the Crowne Plaza on the left t= hat worked fine w/my MasterCard debit card. > > Thanks, --David > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of hea= sley >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:16 AM >> To: Hodges, Jeff >> Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? >> >> Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:09:25AM +0000, Hodges, Jeff: >> > where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? >> >> In IHG to the right of the Kaminzimmer, by the Telefons. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --=20 Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:36:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714AF12D182 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:36:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -22.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-22.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=paypal.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4grepC3fmuFI for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lvs-ipout-03-data1.paypalcorp.com (lvs-ipout-03-data1.paypalcorp.com [173.224.161.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6093312DCEE for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=paypal.com; i=@paypal.com; q=dns/txt; s=pp-dkim1; t=1468917390; x=1500453390; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=2gs7fpfN7ECDgN68TSrwiT4tY6IMKg9fuhX6e0hyWrw=; b=O8W3IXIA2EqWSAMd36sH2N+peWMtWM9OxkopsOvI5dhThuk/bSq/YZ+q ri9Qp2pliF98FUX0aHIReIXfG7RGHrED/SzkqtMgdh9/1Ewl+cWa36c9V elsJdOZvjEXNxbHgwpnxpuqJ8g1vW487hng1EqGxuXhylRgRIe457f+of B0a4pcpVPp1ZrBkEFXsgTfDPeqJG48gUrLN5p4M1fDcuhBDNa3OYymUgq OzOD6yeVtObNIxlEImlAjfJ/uhMeR0v/fTXGubQeveyPNKRSxzS8mDt8N 5XVSITCmjMWnlUAsBQz/5n/aic9Xler75NvohqkBRVTKmvUZbUSGxjehb A==; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.28,388,1464678000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="18163320" Received: from unknown (HELO den-ipcld-02-data1.paypalcorp.com) ([10.185.246.165]) by lvs-ipout-03-data1.paypalcorp.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2016 01:36:28 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,388,1464674400"; d="scan'208,217";a="7659761" X-CloudService: Office365 Received: from mail-dm3nam03lp0021.outbound.protection.outlook.com (HELO NAM03-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) ([207.46.163.21]) by den-ipcld-02-data1.paypalcorp.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA256; 19 Jul 2016 03:07:04 -0600 Received: from SN1PR06MB2094.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.169.125.142) by SN1PR06MB2096.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.169.125.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.544.10; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:36:27 +0000 Received: from SN1PR06MB2094.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.169.125.142]) by SN1PR06MB2094.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.169.125.142]) with mapi id 15.01.0539.019; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:36:27 +0000 From: "Hodges, Jeff" To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] ATM nearby? 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X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:36:35 -0000 --_000_D3B3347CCCB9Ejehodgespaypalcorpcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks everyone! On 7/19/16, 1:31 AM, "Joseph Lorenzo Hall" = > wrote: If you are a US Bank of America customer, they have an arrangement with Deutsch Bank so you don't pay any ATM fee (although you do an international transaction fee, as the wiki points out). The closest geldautomat (German for ATM) of Deutsch Bank is here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Deutsche+Bank+Filiale/@52.5037702,13.3396= 671,16z/data=3D!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47a850541232efe7:0x1f2f86ddbf379b83!2sDeut= sche+Bank+Filiale!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339!3m4!1s0x47a850541232efe7:0x= 1f2f86ddbf379b83!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339 you'll have to enter the door on the South side of that corner and there are like 8 ATMs. best, Joe On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Black, David > wrote: Turn right out of front of Intercontinental - there's a Berliner Volksbank = on the left near the corner that's likely to work - continuing around the c= urve in front of that building and crossing Kurfursten Strasse to Nurnberge= r Strasse, there's a Weberbank just beyond the Crowne Plaza on the left tha= t worked fine w/my MasterCard debit card. Thanks, --David -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of heasle= y Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:16 AM To: Hodges, Jeff Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:09:25AM +0000, Hodges, Jeff: > where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? In IHG to the right of the Kaminzimmer, by the Telefons. _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhal= l.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 --_000_D3B3347CCCB9Ejehodgespaypalcorpcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks everyone!

On 7/19/16, 1:31 AM, "Joseph Lorenzo Hall" <joe@cdt.org> wrote:

If you are a US Bank of America customer, they have an arrangement
with Deutsch Bank so you don't pay any ATM fee (although you do an
international transaction fee, as the wiki points out). The closest
geldautomat (German for ATM) of Deutsch Bank is here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Deutsche+Bank+Filiale/@52.50= 37702,13.3396671,16z/data=3D!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47a850541232efe7:0x1f2f86ddbf= 379b83!2sDeutsche+Bank+Filiale!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339!3m4!1s= 0x47a850541232efe7:0x1f2f86ddbf379b83!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339

you'll have to enter the door on the South side of that corner and
there are like 8 ATMs. best, Joe

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Black, David <david.black@emc.com> wrote:
Turn right out of front of Intercontinental - there's a Berliner Volks= bank on the left near the corner that's likely to work - continuing around = the curve in front of that building and crossing Kurfursten Strasse to Nurn= berger Strasse, there's a Weberbank just beyond the Crowne Plaza on the left that worked fine w/my MasterCard = debit card.

Thanks, --David

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Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:09:25AM +0000, Hodges, Jeff:
> where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards?

In IHG to the right of the Kaminzimmer, by the Telefons.

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--_000_D3B3347CCCB9Ejehodgespaypalcorpcom_-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:45:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2FF12DBC0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=tmkroeger-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YB4UntmbRaJS for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x229.google.com (mail-wm0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FBFF12DA51 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id q128so11797145wma.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tmkroeger-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=39aShsg0wdUJv2u56z0u7J4Q9cZ+s0ucA/hmB2e8rhk=; b=aUpxTXBlDVuARb9cNh8/PWwGkRgFkNFcUb/2o85m+ESSra/MJ+g6emJoV0QdMqddir hCnEyYatwdatNaC2666ZRWMcOwJusFy5rDYTaiDH9FtlM75oBqf+ZP9WSR2oZdSX1gCK oqWRDi3BsP82HN3hvV29ZaJXNSENUNm64mGpPwlsgAjVoFuiiBiHsjcLYqFRbPj5D53s pEFfpoIQnUMJ2xBShym/uQLyRCBY0hbsTxHIwiBnNh6GbBWx3ZC3++d5ENiIVRQvQEfn awy40hALfWEHkslrGJ3b+LW2Up1ffF68/P2xyALrIr8qhbzlmqW3A63DNmOLcyDFURf5 OKLw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=39aShsg0wdUJv2u56z0u7J4Q9cZ+s0ucA/hmB2e8rhk=; b=etj6doWxFEjtkpue+EUZWg0S5syeTgwqsysYDl5ItRys0umKaFyduMb2QARvsJ5H9n 1tKfKZBt3zttZ5qfYbgPLzdMiMotRP+0/41BOwA8Vuo2TSu8h4mqWztW4CNKolHOdIso w6X5FEwD1k6M9z+VC4x51lF06WXYiNPPxJ0ePReV39veD4uPEZ2AMWrfjLAtxq6t8aUn u8A8ugckVEVhzuQfk/2FaB1mIXGfuih4lq7bjR82B+kw+6KSuSMMFsZiAtEzHqPc0AM3 YDWQt2hgLUBHI4YY2b162cnUlPrJwTNZK0fJwCun3HyGZYlqWtQkxMpgDw8mmYyuFENe wzLA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIowciKPqvf/JPnIfbMKZ7fjWa5H+KKqwYec/CeMfhUXMQoStRyZ6JC0WjtN1R8npUBju2reYrGQrZG/Q== X-Received: by 10.28.184.82 with SMTP id i79mr2550046wmf.26.1468917951432; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:45:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.213.66 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:45:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160719081608.GB45860@shrubbery.net> From: Tom M Kroeger Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:45:50 +0200 Message-ID: To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b30e2b35a260537f91c07 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:45:56 -0000 --001a114b30e2b35a260537f91c07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The intercontinental has an atm next to the registration desk (outside the exit to the left as you're facing the desk). It worked fine for my US ATM today. Tom MK -- Tom M Kroeger 415-891-7765 google / 831-325-4186 mobile On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > If you are a US Bank of America customer, they have an arrangement > with Deutsch Bank so you don't pay any ATM fee (although you do an > international transaction fee, as the wiki points out). The closest > geldautomat (German for ATM) of Deutsch Bank is here: > > > https://www.google.com/maps/place/Deutsche+Bank+Filiale/@52.5037702,13.33= 96671,16z/data=3D!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47a850541232efe7:0x1f2f86ddbf379b83!2sDe= utsche+Bank+Filiale!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339!3m4!1s0x47a850541232efe7:= 0x1f2f86ddbf379b83!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339 > > you'll have to enter the door on the South side of that corner and > there are like 8 ATMs. best, Joe > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Black, David > wrote: > > Turn right out of front of Intercontinental - there's a Berliner > Volksbank on the left near the corner that's likely to work - continuing > around the curve in front of that building and crossing Kurfursten Strass= e > to Nurnberger Strasse, there's a Weberbank just beyond the Crowne Plaza o= n > the left that worked fine w/my MasterCard debit card. > > > > Thanks, --David > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > heasley > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:16 AM > >> To: Hodges, Jeff > >> Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby? > >> > >> Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:09:25AM +0000, Hodges, Jeff: > >> > where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards? > >> > >> In IHG to the right of the Kaminzimmer, by the Telefons. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.or= g > ] > 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 > e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114b30e2b35a260537f91c07 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The intercontinental has an atm next to the registration d= esk (outside the exit to the left as you're facing the desk).=C2=A0 It = worked fine for my US ATM today.


=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tom MK

--
Tom M K= roeger
415-891-7765 google / 831-325-4186 mobile

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Lor= enzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote:
I= f you are a US Bank of America customer, they have an arrangement
with Deutsch Bank so you don't pay any ATM fee (although you do an
international transaction fee, as the wiki points out). The closest
geldautomat (German for ATM) of Deutsch Bank is here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Deutsche+Bank+Filial= e/@52.5037702,13.3396671,16z/data=3D!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x47a850541232efe7:0x1f= 2f86ddbf379b83!2sDeutsche+Bank+Filiale!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339!3m4!1s= 0x47a850541232efe7:0x1f2f86ddbf379b83!8m2!3d52.5024234!4d13.3420339

you'll have to enter the door on the South side of that corner and
there are like 8 ATMs. best, Joe

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Black, David <david.black@emc.com> wrote:
> Turn right out of front of Intercontinental - there's a Berliner V= olksbank on the left near the corner that's likely to work - continuing= around the curve in front of that building and crossing Kurfursten Strasse= to Nurnberger Strasse, there's a Weberbank just beyond the Crowne Plaz= a on the left that worked fine w/my MasterCard debit card.
>
> Thanks, --David
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of heasley
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:16 AM
>> To: Hodges, Jeff
>> Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [96attendees] ATM nearby?
>>
>> Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:09:25AM +0000, Hodges, Jeff:
>> > where might be a nearby ATM that will accept US debit cards?<= br> >>
>> In IHG to the right of the Kaminzimmer, by the Telefons.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 96attendees mailing list
>> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96a= ttendees
>
> _______________________________________________
> 96attendees mailing list
> 96attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attend= ees



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Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:52:16 GMT References: <54e8ce63-1233-a531-cda7-d3b695046aee@cisco.com> To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Benoit Claise X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <54e8ce63-1233-a531-cda7-d3b695046aee@cisco.com> Message-ID: <420dba3c-a1df-c45d-5ac0-baf24affa203@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:52:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <54e8ce63-1233-a531-cda7-d3b695046aee@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------60A214356BC07DFBF79FE7B7" Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Fwd: [hackathon]: YANG cheat sheet available. X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:28:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------60A214356BC07DFBF79FE7B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Some YANG cheat sheets still left from the hackathon, available on the table outside Potsdam 3 Regards, Benoit -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: YANG cheat sheet available. Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:06:17 +0200 From: Benoit Claise To: hackathon@ietf.org CC: Andy Bierman Dear all, There is a pile of YANG cheat sheets available at the entrance of the hackathon room, courtesy of Andy Bierman. Feel free to take one home. Regards, Benoit --------------60A214356BC07DFBF79FE7B7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Some YANG cheat sheets still left from the hackathon, available on the table outside Potsdam 3

Regards, Benoit


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: YANG cheat sheet available.
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:06:17 +0200
From: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
To: hackathon@ietf.org <hackathon@ietf.org>
CC: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> 


Dear all,

There is a pile of YANG cheat sheets available at the entrance of the 
hackathon room, courtesy of Andy Bierman.
Feel free to take one home.

Regards, Benoit
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This time I tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a size they didn't order. Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. 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This time I trie= d on Monday, last time it was a >Tuesday. The problem seems to be that men= are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >that many men t= hought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a size they didn't order. 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IETFs. It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to inform future meetings would probably be quite helpful. Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes information comes in, I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered. I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for women's, based on previously heard concerns. Regards, Alia On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty < kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I > tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be > that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told > that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a > size they didn't order. > > Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order > more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. > > I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be wrong. > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114a8808e6b4850537ff56b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kathleen,

We did significantly incre= ase the number of women's t-shirts this IETF as compared
to p= revious IETFs. =C2=A0 It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to = inform future
meetings would probably be quite helpful.

Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes= information comes in,
I think that t-shirts commonly need to be = ordered.

I know that Juniper did increase the smal= ler sizes - particularly for women's, based
on previously hea= rd concerns.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, Jul 19, 201= 6 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Hello,

This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt.=C2=A0 This time I<= br> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday.=C2=A0 The problem seems to be<= br> that men are taking the women sizes.=C2=A0 For this meeting, I was told
that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a
size they didn't order.

Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order
more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former.

I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be wrong.=

--

Best regards,
Kathleen

_______________________________________________
96attendees mailing list
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It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to inform > future > meetings would probably be quite helpful. > > Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes information > comes in, > I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered. > > I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for > women's, based > on previously heard concerns. Thanks for the explanation. I was just surprised that I was told many men were taking the women's sizes, leading to my post. Best regards, Kathleen > > Regards, > Alia > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I >> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be >> that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >> that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a >> size they didn't order. >> >> Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order >> more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. >> >> I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be >> wrong. >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:20:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2A612D1B7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cQrpggg1WKC0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECDA312D75A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id i5so32763872wmg.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:18:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ndrXz5N1c+LfEgD1CLPgo5+rnBCfmrV0gGU+wM+5TF4=; b=c+euWEfgqxjBQEvyfwNULFBIb9T9B/PxssdLVcHPtGw8tNLS6cCEhfY1mnu1uLTbJq Mt5p8brArMtj0K7wgfxiznEpqaNReJ1Jp3Ur+ErQEvVPpKm0UbnBHhNLLLWd0Zgxcslj OHf07UrjVh2xHIF2Vpr9K2rZvdVaLxuMWcSmcW5Td0NAP6jj04e7C60WPL13ldBGweUC FOb2vZR0Ldjh0L2YpqA8SuHJfySSQgi1GUqw1pkYb8OfFklO/sBbQ1s9Xpa3J0wycWt0 mqljsssiG4CZs6yZWkJ7JJOmC4BuVxGP0cFpBtVgqCkqkb8dwoAi3oCvo2H0KstWUiu5 4TFQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ndrXz5N1c+LfEgD1CLPgo5+rnBCfmrV0gGU+wM+5TF4=; b=jLxmdMmPNBWrLCQrcRtCuaw1p/GJktzHMAEBT8NwNgwDzSI6kfojumOWEUzEfXfJRb YinjW/JpBQxesZ35KIE+MHIK+DCwNBLCztNwUQEsTLp9KjjQS012YYQSFnYz5AW7NM9G FsHWJe2CrwqOrrLCK89lbavI59HWAypmhFu9sK+qb0PLeoRP6pvPacWEZ/s4p9ffUCtJ ApfLsqf/inkEzJO57zaeG0sEoYsQTnS0hVf8EVR5wmNqYfwcXh28pFbdmqPs2IZRKUQ5 GjJ0GdCkyF+MgSaKByHEegQv1x3JTzZ/O8xdMurCPx2Kd06oYMgiPrEmG88n+R88AtHY G99A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLexVp70P0JluYweXgKRL+RmQ/NDJV8w/Tal6Eem90gJj93m2vp21RKnAuu3LNlpA== X-Received: by 10.28.30.83 with SMTP id e80mr5062444wme.97.1468945122444; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:69ee:1cbc:6459:57d3? ([2001:67c:370:176:69ee:1cbc:6459:57d3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d64sm7355160wmc.22.2016.07.19.09.18.41 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D7CA7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:18:41 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D7CA7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> To: Christer Holmberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:20:32 -0000 > On 19 Jul 2016, at 6:09 PM, Christer Holmberg = wrote: >=20 >=20 >> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I = tried on Monday, last time it was a >Tuesday. The problem seems to be = that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >that = many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a size they = didn't order. >=20 > We need bigger cookies, and the problem will eventually go away ;) At this point we need *any* cookies. As a data point, this time the shirts are larger than usual by about one = size. The Large shirts are the size of the normal XL shirts. And the smallest men=E2=80=99s shirt available was Medium, which means = that anyone who usually takes anything below Large could not get a = men=E2=80=99s shirt their size. 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This time I t= ried on Monday, last time it was a >Tuesday. The problem seems to be that = men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >that many me= n thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a size they didn't ord= er. >> >> We need bigger cookies, and the problem will eventually go away ;) > > At this point we need *any* cookies. > > As a data point, this time the shirts are larger than usual by about one = size. The Large shirts are the size of the normal XL shirts. > > And the smallest men=E2=80=99s shirt available was Medium, which means th= at anyone who usually takes anything below Large could not get a men=E2=80= =99s shirt their size. So, Yoav, it was you that took my shirt ;-) > > Yoav > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:21:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC61112D864 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gt3WxPPezA2x for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8328A12D82E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id q128so24932048wma.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:19:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=WnVjZy5D75ONQxHqWleubiM2h76ZJFW7mVlNB6BTGfM=; b=Ld8sy9oh9tKDBw/bDw68CifL0exPMOxGJ8aeuKIwo4ZC1a1T5bsCpSVQRLx3t0PiLm dyOykWGITF+AJpqh4Td3IClz7in6ZdRTTdcn0DC8VFUu4tdGU2cdvlrKMzqy3SmGttEu RahYIxRkTsYGt1+y4DNh61gVV1Zsn+khVPm9xmon1dv+WtlHbe23PqYkheqH57fQX5fh NPnQxHusHliwaRT7VVW5IjjqKXd/iLY2cwQi7M2T9hT4a2f5/oF2R5Pe4+gneq7vrq+Q w65oa4nf9RTHjmhdARReattbeqVQktzHzERDdCazKs2P5B+7KaF6y+rwF72oDF/R9BMu mJUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=WnVjZy5D75ONQxHqWleubiM2h76ZJFW7mVlNB6BTGfM=; b=WCuq/qzBcm7C5GvxXWQwj7K7iGuwunJuww6qSRHQtklTv2XO5L4OC3sQ8ooPqmlxv2 he1dwgvmhUIXplGUMCDCbGAMIjxUJAmIGWbun3WqWUzSzXQEu435T4W2qWfSFIpNovQm WfzRX5FBBjVtCvzi76qMRPD9/+zEXcCcEAucJJw/FQMmQcgSonwX+FcMPKdrCWxUj6Rl TMpP+r2+eNzYWU/el6yL/IOB3v0MTdBLqlAjDg94QWpxhzOIVV3EGeXYct7qjWLWP588 ROncFrCCGYMdScj90cs6qXpJyab8tHps7PyHKqcMM9XvnELgHUKDeFPeZAU1O+IIuYwF hglA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIp6VpYm1iulzGXgbwO4YjQOWv7PaYUNe2gKKrKybLa9sf4qmcmBfP8DqQndGyHMw== X-Received: by 10.28.208.140 with SMTP id h134mr4601138wmg.101.1468945176997; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.169.8] (dhcp-a908.meeting.ietf.org. [31.133.169.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m62sm4520189wmm.24.2016.07.19.09.19.35 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:19:36 -0700 (PDT) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) From: John Dowdell Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:19:34 +0200 To: Kathleen Moriarty Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:21:29 -0000 > On 19 Jul 2016, at 17:58, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I > tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be > that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told > that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a > size they didn't order. >=20 > Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order > more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. I usually ask for and take a men's medium. On Monday morning I was told ther= e were no mediums, but men's small fitted with room to spare. Perhaps they a= re all on the roomy side? John >=20 > I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be wrong= . >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Kathleen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:21:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA6A12D0E7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gzOOdd--isCn for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inkolg01.tcs.com (inkolg01.tcs.com [121.241.215.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B1312B011 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3AZUoF+BItfqVzCe8ratmcpTZWNBhigK39O0sv0rFi?= =?us-ascii?q?tYgUL/3xwZ3uMQTl6Ol3ixeRBMOAuqoC1rOd4viocFdDyK7JiGoFfp1IWk1Nou?= =?us-ascii?q?QttCtkPvS4D1bmJuXhdS0wEZcKflZk+3amLRodQ56mNBXsq3G/pQQfBg/4fVIs?= =?us-ascii?q?YL+kQsiP1o/mj6ibwN76W01wnj2zYLd/fl2djD76kY0ou7ZkMbs70RDTo3FFKK?= =?us-ascii?q?x8zGJsIk+PzV6nvp/jtM0rzyMF6qwo69JNV6n3cr8QTLFEAnIhKW9mytfssEzq?= =?us-ascii?q?RwuO5HIaGk8WmwZUCgPF5QvrT5655iLwtut/0S/cN83/Uaw9UjSr9bZ6QTf0gz?= =?us-ascii?q?xBPDk8pjKEwvdshb5W9Ury7yd0xJTZNdmY?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2DNAQC9T45X/wQXEqxdhBV8uGuBeh6HZ?= =?us-ascii?q?hQBAQEBAQEBAYELgjIVghcFgQ4KAQgyTRERCBEKthcBAQGPH4UBZ4obgX0LWII?= =?us-ascii?q?vBY5/iiWBNSmcO5AeHoQxZoglAQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2DNAQC9T45X/wQXEqxdhBV8uGuBeh6HZhQBAQEBAQEBAYE?= =?us-ascii?q?LgjIVghcFgQ4KAQgyTRERCBEKthcBAQGPH4UBZ4obgX0LWIIvBY5/iiWBNSmcO?= =?us-ascii?q?5AeHoQxZoglAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,390,1464633000"; d="scan'208,217";a="105303880" MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: References: From: Abhijan Bhattacharyya To: 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:50:18 +0530 X-Mailer: Lotus Domino Web Server Release 9.0.1FP4HF528 October 8, 2015 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by http on InKolM02/TCS(Release 9.0.1FP4HF528 | October 8, 2015) at 07/19/2016 21:50:18, Serialize complete at 07/19/2016 21:50:19, Itemize by http on InKolM02/TCS(Release 9.0.1FP4HF528 | October 8, 2015) at 07/19/2016 21:50:19, Serialize by Router on InKolM02/TCS(Release 9.0.1FP4HF528 | October 8, 2015) at 07/19/2016 21:50:20, Serialize complete at 07/19/2016 21:50:20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0059C02465257FF5_=" Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Want to purchase a foldable bike X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:21:46 -0000 --=_alternative 0059C02465257FF5_= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Would like to purchase a foldable bike from here. Something like what the M= ontague bikes in USA have (https://www.montaguebikes.com/). Any suggestion = for nearby shops where I can get it? Not really looking for any online shop= ping option. Regards Abhijan Bhattacharyya Associate Consultant Scientist, Innovation Lab, Kolkata, India Tata Consultancy Services Mailto: abhijan.bhattacharyya@tcs.com Website: http://www.tcs.com ____________________________________________ Experience certainty. IT Services Business Solutions Consulting ____________________________________________ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-----=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D-----=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain = confidential or privileged information. If you are = not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, = review, distribution, printing or copying of the = information contained in this e-mail message = and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. 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Hi,
Would like to purchase a foldable bike from here.= Something like what the Montague bikes in USA have (https://www.montaguebi= kes.com/). Any suggestion for nearby shops where I can get it? Not really l= ooking for any online shopping option.


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([2001:67c:370:176:69ee:1cbc:6459:57d3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a2sm24156974wma.2.2016.07.19.09.20.55 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:20:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D7CA7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> To: Kathleen Moriarty X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Christer Holmberg Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:22:09 -0000 > On 19 Jul 2016, at 6:19 PM, Kathleen Moriarty = wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Yoav Nir = wrote: >>=20 >>> On 19 Jul 2016, at 6:09 PM, Christer Holmberg = wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time = I tried on Monday, last time it was a >Tuesday. The problem seems to be = that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >that = many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a size they = didn't order. >>>=20 >>> We need bigger cookies, and the problem will eventually go away ;) >>=20 >> At this point we need *any* cookies. >>=20 >> As a data point, this time the shirts are larger than usual by about = one size. The Large shirts are the size of the normal XL shirts. >>=20 >> And the smallest men=E2=80=99s shirt available was Medium, which = means that anyone who usually takes anything below Large could not get a = men=E2=80=99s shirt their size. >=20 > So, Yoav, it was you that took my shirt ;-) Oh, no. I took a Large shirt where I usually take XL. It=E2=80=99s not = about height. It=E2=80=99s all about girth. Cookies would help. Yoav From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:22:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABD12D7C2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WSxByRkk57G6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.stillroot.org (mail.stillroot.org [176.9.132.253]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCF812D5F6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4612741D3F; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:20:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ba.stillroot.org Received: from mail.stillroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.stillroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1PIC45HrxtmY; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:20:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hobbykeller.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:a11:96ff:feda:2870]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0BDD41BF5; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:20:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:20:36 +0200 From: Oliver Hahm To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6rje?= Ohlman Message-ID: <20160719162036.GG23241@hobbykeller.org> References: <2040F8C3-F2B6-4101-8F66-5B61A001933F@ericsson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qf1oXS95uex85X0R" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2040F8C3-F2B6-4101-8F66-5B61A001933F@ericsson.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Seagrams 7 Crowns Whisky - Where to get? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:22:28 -0000 --Qf1oXS95uex85X0R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi B=C3=B6rje, On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 04:08:46PM +0000, B=C3=B6rje Ohlman wrote: > Seagrams 7 Crowns is what should be used to mix with 7-up to get a proper= 7&7. Unfortunately it is very hard to find in Europe. In the =E2=80=9Cgood= old days=E2=80=9D (before the Wall came down) it was possible to get it at= KaDeWe, but not any longer. Does anyone know of any other place in Berlin = where I can get it? Other places in Europe are also of interest. > Until recently it was actually available at Systembolaget in Sweden, but = they discontinued it, and as they have a true monopoly in Sweden there is n= o way for me to get back home in Sweden. Berlin has Germany's largest Whisky store. Unfortunately, it is a bit outsi= de the city: http://www.big-market-shop.de//advanced_search_result.php?keywords=3Dseagra= ms&osCsid=3D63i2ofrvlclglmnbk6relcr904&x=3D0&y=3D0 There's also a shop with quite a good selection in Kreuzberg: https://goo.gl/maps/yBi6aaWBRXk I can call and ask if they have this Whiskey. 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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: nokia.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 19 Jul 2016 16:21:24.8175 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0701MB2860 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:22:31 -0000 Hi Kathleen, All, I was very early and got my t-shirt right after registration on Sunday at n= oon. The Large was indeed too large and I have been recommended to take the Medi= um. Maybe we indeed should standardize the t-shirt sizes so that the ordered co= unt fits the count of available t-shirts.=20 An Informational RFC for t-shirt sizes with some guidance on how to measure= /find out the appropriate size would be valuable. However, publishing an RFC is not really sufficient. We also need to ensure= that the t-shirts are manufactured using the T-shirt RFC or=20 we have a standard mapping possible between the sizes specified in the T-sh= irt RFC and the sizes of the t-shirt manufacturer. A fall-back solution would be if we order much more t-shirts as originally = indicated by the meeting attendees. Remaining t-shirts can be provided for a raffle during Bits and Bites. Knowing there is no optimal solution I hope we can improve. Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathle= en Moriarty Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:15 PM To: Alia Atlas Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts Hi Alia, On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > We did significantly increase the number of women's t-shirts this IETF as > compared > to previous IETFs. It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to inf= orm > future > meetings would probably be quite helpful. > > Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes information > comes in, > I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered. > > I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for > women's, based > on previously heard concerns. Thanks for the explanation. I was just surprised that I was told many men were taking the women's sizes, leading to my post. Best regards, Kathleen > > Regards, > Alia > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I >> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be >> that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >> that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a >> size they didn't order. >> >> Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order >> more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. >> >> I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be >> wrong. >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --=20 Best regards, Kathleen _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:26:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4C912B04F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wkiuXtLF889s for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E48B12D0E5 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.235]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id PXqbbVl2IcEL1PXqwbvX0K; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:26:38 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([73.218.51.154]) by comcast with SMTP id PXqvbLUCDT9CgPXqvbnFD7; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:26:37 +0000 To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <93286f42-0479-037f-0806-462baa9e455b@alum.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:26:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDZyXR4yzRGj32Ate6QpERSDOXlW5fUmXuuQdT2E0xQPmLrSaAb5BnafW2wqvZbiZYqidOkq0iv6CG8CxBB7i/zn33h2sTSB31lHiNApIut8ARHa18zj M62//SvBuK9LwR36E8wWfm6LZUFYZ+XlBd4FYfFzx0XcsVLQGcScwlwFHcQe9mPepqdFHhTKCqn1flRWz9PTugMpRVbb36+uoj4= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:26:41 -0000 On 7/19/16 12:15 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Hi Alia, > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: >> Hi Kathleen, >> >> We did significantly increase the number of women's t-shirts this IETF as >> compared >> to previous IETFs. It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to inform >> future >> meetings would probably be quite helpful. >> >> Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes information >> comes in, >> I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered. >> >> I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for >> women's, based >> on previously heard concerns. > > Thanks for the explanation. I was just surprised that I was told many > men were taking the women's sizes, leading to my post. Is it that men are taking women's sizes because IETF men are getting smaller? !?!?!? Or are men getting women's sizes to give to some woman in their life? (It is so *wrong* to wear a shirt from a meeting you didn't attend!) From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:27:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920AC12D74F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0w5KGPpYXuLL for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A5E312B04C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.rfc1925.org (calcifer.labs.nic.cz [217.31.192.138]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D866111C; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:26:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1468945613; bh=QBBWbbOQ6iqcxK/xEb0jY/pNlxPdJVdhPRI9AsB5DOs=; h=Date:From:To; b=ShCzjBy5ko+IO19u2AUUDmpLHuBYBpJ5REKmhGKdXOxgdYvIQaEPkCU/QZgi0T+K7 0VUuf6z+wo8QFVKO44pJsgc0U5qfPPflhBCaPyJgyfGBtII4UOrmd/GDkTQfyHS1EO Fwivr4O3hX+ljQU6JKUgPDE2m1l7UXtZL+HdrJUs= Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:26:53 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_Sur=C3=BD?= To: Kathleen Moriarty Message-ID: <92722275.4603.1468945613618.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [217.31.192.138] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1178 (ZimbraWebClient - GC51 (Linux)/8.6.0_GA_1178) Thread-Topic: T-Shirts Thread-Index: 52Q1Ic5vPxNm0Af5vgwtiOD+gsoJFQ== X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:27:00 -0000 Since the subject has been already open, I'll add my few things... So a) I would really appreciate if women's t-shirts would come in fitted-cu= t, b) since I usually pick the thing I am going to take in the registration= form, it would be really nice to know before what cut the t-shirts will be= , as my wife doesn't really like the straight cut. Cheers, -- Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow -------------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ -------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Moriarty" > To: "Alia Atlas" > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:15:18 PM > Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > Hi Alia, >=20 > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: >> Hi Kathleen, >> >> We did significantly increase the number of women's t-shirts this IETF a= s >> compared >> to previous IETFs. It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to in= form >> future >> meetings would probably be quite helpful. >> >> Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes information >> comes in, >> I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered. >> >> I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for >> women's, based >> on previously heard concerns. >=20 > Thanks for the explanation. I was just surprised that I was told many > men were taking the women's sizes, leading to my post. >=20 > Best regards, > Kathleen >=20 >=20 >> >> Regards, >> Alia >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I >>> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be >>> that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >>> that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a >>> size they didn't order. >>> >>> Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order >>> more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. >>> >>> I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be >>> wrong. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Kathleen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > Best regards, > Kathleen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:28:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7823F12D0AD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=engageidentity-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hdk3PQR61tEB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com (mail-lf0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 329E212B068 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id b199so19096062lfe.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=engageidentity-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uUA9ZZ6RBfIFoiW2NxYe1qnZNPXxUxkZIAbb+iq0n0k=; b=U2LhKuuUc+HuGQU/iXmi/5Gd0MPD1Y8wzW7h5lk+eLhDLGjil+FKmtdabLFT1FbStd PZ97c5HP5QQzm6xRS1/J3lvjeOvNiByzll6RXlvGtnsw9dCNOJcpcvdRPqaaDnoNtRHu d4lcx+DNmjNR/hgXlu3yprwYa5eXaFJBCCHMIJwx1gLphCBkVAIcNxYSOsZnS/3SgaTh cKtjvFpTHDsBMAKuDfwRjFuj93uiZI+rNhnvF6Up7cINFoiGUITvHKF9sqUkokDoAtwn eRaDGFuJ5u8qrdFGxA3cfl78BgqltpMiNyueXkKHlvuCjBA4xgXKN4qoWahOOM/v2LbZ 6mTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uUA9ZZ6RBfIFoiW2NxYe1qnZNPXxUxkZIAbb+iq0n0k=; b=ldsjK2oeQP2XWmq+GJNY5JXQJLs0E/rAyqEiYFI7lGtzmK6TuG1P2yqiGBLQVeM4zg uE+qlk9F/Oxbs93sE0cydspYZiZG1idq1yEe++Z1gOxF6Kx7P/cw32WkZkxDF73PZc+9 fuxI7EfzElzDzHiZSnVt77tiKXtEh8gW8o6VfMNs9+lQcgM2USENSKEXrPjtDPSbsFy5 LtZ/CyEmhJHeF6516zfDE3jLUmf9zLYQcED351OO7cvZ6n3Ky2OIVnDnD66Ou7+PUJSr B+BVKb3gzwAGKH4HKSkihBOuiGpy2JLDiLurZ89DeECekwjTn+C/91i5ubGCgjVbyB/F fCNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIuBgow+0iOs+Vi45xVmS3Fcgub61rfFxEIRY+FpfVj+0KMZeuy+R78EfIAzQd2fVGRJ1HzeAGML67MERB0 X-Received: by 10.25.39.85 with SMTP id n82mr19066486lfn.29.1468945700023; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.3.241 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:28:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Sarah Squire Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:28:19 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11410feca52cf90537ff9247 Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:28:25 -0000 --001a11410feca52cf90537ff9247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 FWIW OSCON solves this by ordering the women's shirts in a babydoll cut, which is more flattering anyhow imo. Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) < mehmet.ersue@nokia.com> wrote: > Hi Kathleen, All, > > I was very early and got my t-shirt right after registration on Sunday at > noon. > The Large was indeed too large and I have been recommended to take the > Medium. > > Maybe we indeed should standardize the t-shirt sizes so that the ordered > count fits the count of available t-shirts. > An Informational RFC for t-shirt sizes with some guidance on how to > measure/find out the appropriate size would be valuable. > > However, publishing an RFC is not really sufficient. We also need to > ensure that the t-shirts are manufactured using the T-shirt RFC or > we have a standard mapping possible between the sizes specified in the > T-shirt RFC and the sizes of the t-shirt manufacturer. > > A fall-back solution would be if we order much more t-shirts as originally > indicated by the meeting attendees. > Remaining t-shirts can be provided for a raffle during Bits and Bites. > > Knowing there is no optimal solution I hope we can improve. > > Cheers, > Mehmet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Kathleen Moriarty > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:15 PM > To: Alia Atlas > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > > Hi Alia, > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Hi Kathleen, > > > > We did significantly increase the number of women's t-shirts this IETF as > > compared > > to previous IETFs. It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to > inform > > future > > meetings would probably be quite helpful. > > > > Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes information > > comes in, > > I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered. > > > > I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for > > women's, based > > on previously heard concerns. > > Thanks for the explanation. I was just surprised that I was told many > men were taking the women's sizes, leading to my post. > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty > > wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I > >> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be > >> that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told > >> that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a > >> size they didn't order. > >> > >> Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order > >> more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. > >> > >> I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be > >> wrong. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Kathleen > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a11410feca52cf90537ff9247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FWIW OSCON solves this by ordering the women's shirts = in a babydoll cut, which is more flattering anyhow imo.

Sarah Squire
Engage Ident= ity

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Ersue, Mehm= et (Nokia - DE/Munich) <mehmet.ersue@nokia.com> wrote:<= br>
Hi Kathleen, All,

I was very early and got my t-shirt right after registration on Sunday at n= oon.
The Large was indeed too large and I have been recommended to take the Medi= um.

Maybe we indeed should standardize the t-shirt sizes so that the ordered co= unt fits the count of available t-shirts.
An Informational RFC for t-shirt sizes with some guidance on how to measure= /find out the appropriate size would be valuable.

However, publishing an RFC is not really sufficient. We also need to ensure= that the t-shirts are manufactured using the T-shirt RFC or
we have a standard mapping possible between the sizes specified in the T-sh= irt RFC and the sizes of the t-shirt manufacturer.

A fall-back solution would be if we order much more t-shirts as originally = indicated by the meeting attendees.
Remaining t-shirts can be provided for a raffle during Bits and Bites.

Knowing there is no optimal solution I hope we can improve.

Cheers,
Mehmet


-----Original Message-----
From: 96attendees [mailto:9= 6attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:15 PM
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts

Hi Alia,

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Kathleen,
>
> We did significantly increase the number of women's t-shirts this = IETF as
> compared
> to previous IETFs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It's always hard to estimate; havin= g a survey to inform
> future
> meetings would probably be quite helpful.
>
> Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes informatio= n
> comes in,
> I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered.
>
> I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for<= br> > women's, based
> on previously heard concerns.

Thanks for the explanation.=C2=A0 I was just surprised that I was told many=
men were taking the women's sizes, leading to my post.

Best regards,
Kathleen


>
> Regards,
> Alia
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty
> <kathleen.moria= rty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt.=C2=A0 Thi= s time I
>> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday.=C2=A0 The problem see= ms to be
>> that men are taking the women sizes.=C2=A0 For this meeting, I was= told
>> that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they to= ok a
>> size they didn't order.
>>
>> Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order=
>> more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former= .
>>
>> I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could = be
>> wrong.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kathleen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 96attendees mailing list
>> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96a= ttendees
>
>



--

Best regards,
Kathleen

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Hi,

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There is (= or, at least there was last summer) a shop selling the Brompton bikes in Bi= kini Mall, near the Zoo (read: walking distance from the meeting):

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https://www.bikiniberlin.de/en/<= /o:p>

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The Mall d= oesn’t come up on a google search, though, but the following stores c= ome up:

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http://boxbike.de/

http://kultrad.net/

http://www.theurbanmobilitystore.co= m/

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Kultrad an= d The Urban Mobility Store don’t seem to be located too far away from= the meeting.

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Regards,

 = ;

Christer

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From: = 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abhijan Bhattacharyya
Sent: 19 July 2016 19:20
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [96attendees] Want to purchase a foldable bike

 

Hi,

Would like to purchase a foldable bike from here. S= omething like what the Montague bikes in USA have (https://www.montaguebikes.com/). Any suggestion for nearby shops where I can get it? Not really looking for= any online shopping option.

 


Regards
Abhijan Bhattacharyya
Associate Consultant
Scientist, Innovation Lab, Kolkata, India
Tata Consultancy Services
Mailto: abhijan.bhattachar= yya@tcs.com
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Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) > wrote: Hi Kathleen, All, I was very early and got my t-shirt right after registration on Sunday at n= oon. The Large was indeed too large and I have been recommended to take the Medi= um. Maybe we indeed should standardize the t-shirt sizes so that the ordered co= unt fits the count of available t-shirts. An Informational RFC for t-shirt sizes with some guidance on how to measure= /find out the appropriate size would be valuable. However, publishing an RFC is not really sufficient. We also need to ensure= that the t-shirts are manufactured using the T-shirt RFC or we have a standard mapping possible between the sizes specified in the T-sh= irt RFC and the sizes of the t-shirt manufacturer. A fall-back solution would be if we order much more t-shirts as originally = indicated by the meeting attendees. Remaining t-shirts can be provided for a raffle during Bits and Bites. Knowing there is no optimal solution I hope we can improve. Cheers, Mehmet -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:15 PM To: Alia Atlas > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts Hi Alia, On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Alia Atlas > wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > We did significantly increase the number of women's t-shirts this IETF as > compared > to previous IETFs. It's always hard to estimate; having a survey to inf= orm > future > meetings would probably be quite helpful. > > Just FYI, by the time the registrations and requested sizes information > comes in, > I think that t-shirts commonly need to be ordered. > > I know that Juniper did increase the smaller sizes - particularly for > women's, based > on previously heard concerns. Thanks for the explanation. I was just surprised that I was told many men were taking the women's sizes, leading to my post. Best regards, Kathleen > > Regards, > Alia > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kathleen Moriarty > > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I >> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be >> that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told >> that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a >> size they didn't order. >> >> Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order >> more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. >> >> I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be >> wrong. >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > -- Best regards, Kathleen _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 09:46:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393CF12D1B7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=scss.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7vVHPIYWOtl5 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B658D12D0E8 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC42BE57; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:46:51 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BHi9mm0UZzzu; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:46:48 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.24.252.109] (unknown [46.189.28.65]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54173BE55; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:46:47 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=scss.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1468946808; bh=Ipla8fvMlFmRC053EMaYF44XvRKJCqPrBBiMtCosepw=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:From; b=I26y9H5ScLk1oOc1B39O0Z25UqPYkuWkbzMyxtIYFPNVFIE24T3ph3FoGAE9zi3mL W2vwbK1Gsr0re0I88598qHEi3Sft3uoEiWgtro3Ps6S7aLrOk5YMPfeKLuPUDbnEK/ 9pGKnRbMmv+2sMZgYm5B/6zY8V2pReeAZYZVO/CU= Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:46:49 +0200 Message-ID: <08y6ra18u78lu4y557slgynp.1468946480026@email.android.com> Importance: normal From: davieseb To: Michael Richardson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--_com.samsung.android.email_1371501208722650" Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Diego Dujovne , Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? 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Strowes" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Dowdell , Kathleen Moriarty References: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:00:35 -0000 On 19/07/2016 18:19, John Dowdell wrote: > I usually ask for and take a men's medium. On Monday morning I was told there were no mediums, but men's small fitted with room to spare. Perhaps they are all on the roomy side? Our queries have produced inconsistent responses. I asked for a men's small on Sunday around noon, and I was told there were none. S. 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Both my T-shirt as well as the T-shirts of my male colleagues were way bigger than we expected. 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Both my T-shirt as well as the T-shirts of > my male colleagues were way bigger than we expected. >=20 > Regards, > Martine >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 12:40:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFC412D7B4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MWB73ISGJ0uz for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de (iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de [141.3.10.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 792AA12D766 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i72vorta.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.71.26] helo=i72vorta.tm.kit.edu) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp port 25 iface 141.3.10.81 id 1bPasq-0002i4-Pn for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:40:48 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i72vorta.tm.kit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACE07B003BB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:40:48 +0200 (CEST) References: From: Roland Bless Organization: Institute of Telematics, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) To: 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <578E8240.8070205@kit.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:40:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Thunderbird/1.5 Mnenhy/0.7.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ATIS-AV: ClamAV (iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) X-ATIS-Timestamp: iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de 1468957248. Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?=5B96all=5D_IETF_96_Network_Information_?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=93_Berlin=2C_Germany?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:40:52 -0000 Hi, > = IETF 96 Network Information Berlin, Germany = > > == Terminal Room == > > The Terminal Room is located in Kopenick 1 & 2, which is in the long > hall to the right past the breakfast cafe. The Terminal Room is open > 24 hours each day beginning Sunday, 17 July, 2016 at 16:00 and ending > on Friday, 22 July, 2016 at 15:00. A help desk is provided and the > hours are listed below. The room itself consists of approximately 75 I appreciate the provisioning of a Terminal room with a printer very much, but right now (21:30h) it was closed. :-( So open 24 hours doesn't seem to hold... 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The Terminal Room is open >> 24 hours each day beginning Sunday, 17 July, 2016 at 16:00 and ending >> on Friday, 22 July, 2016 at 15:00. A help desk is provided and the >> hours are listed below. The room itself consists of approximately 75 > > I appreciate the provisioning of a Terminal room with a printer very > much, but right now (21:30h) it was closed. :-( > So open 24 hours doesn't seem to hold... > I too, came over for the late-night terminal room action and was shut down. 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Hopefully other RIPE Atlas Ambassador is here having some units to share. 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PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <08FC0C23E4E98F4ABE3DA974AE90ECE6@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 19 Jul 2016 21:13:20.4623 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB1822 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:13:25 -0000 [Choosing this message to respond to.] I was responsible for the t-shirt orders for this IETF with assistance from= a producer in the UK. As part of the materials the host is supplied for to do planning, we receiv= ed a spreadsheet consisting of t-shirt size requests from IETF 83. Using t= his, I attempted to do a projection based on those numbers for how many of = a given size to order, usually favoring to stay within 1-2 standard deviati= ons of the mean for a given size. The prior meetings seemed to roughly do = their orders simply by picking approximately 1500 shirts and ordering sizes= against a Normal distribution. Per advice from Alia and Tom, the derived numbers received in increase in t= he number of women's t-shirts of most sizes and very slightly bumped up the= number of very large shirts. I will be sending a surveymonkey survey out in a few minutes to try to gath= er some data regarding how people responded to sizing and whether they pick= ed up the shirt size that they ordered. We will be bundling this along wit= h actual sizes ordered to provide as data for future hosts. =20 Ideally our process would involve an attendee getting a ticket for the size= that they ordered, and we'd track the size they received. This would help= us to move to more actual numbers rather than some of the statistical plan= ning it's been obvious prior hosts have had to do. With regard to shirt sizing, my observation has been we tend to get "Americ= an sized" or "European sized" (really, most everywhere else) shirts. The v= ariations in regional sizing is partially what we see as being responsible = for shirt fit issues. As an example, I tend to wear XXL in European and XL= in American and knowing the t-shirt brand in advance I'd change my size or= der. The choice had been made when working with the producer was to find a more = American sized shirt. This seems to have backfired for a portion of our at= tendees. Based on feedback and some of our discussions while going through= the ordering process, posting the brand of t-shirt and a sizing chart duri= ng IETF registration probably makes sense. The main challenge is that the = ordering and production process often begins after IETF registration begins= , and even then a host must make orders based on estimates in order to have= shirts available at the conference. I personally apologize for any difficulties that may have been had with fin= ding a shirt of the appropriate size. I had already promised the planning = committee to try to provide our planning information to help additional hos= ts and will be trying to find a way to help set down some of the challenges= of navigating sizing and counts. Likely not in a Internet-Draft, though. = :-) -- Jeff > On Jul 19, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I > tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be > that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told > that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a > size they didn't order. >=20 > Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order > more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. >=20 > I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be wron= g. >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Kathleen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 14:18:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C7E12D91C for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ygNjm8UtkA1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9690412D93B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED5928B0046; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D677E1F8055; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_78A4196D-797C-44FC-9DB2-3991D0CDE241"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Sandra Murphy In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:18:38 -0400 Message-Id: References: <578E8240.8070205@kit.edu> To: Tim Wicinski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Sandra Murphy Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?q?=5B96all=5D_IETF_96_Network_Information_?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=93_Berlin=2C_Germany?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:18:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_78A4196D-797C-44FC-9DB2-3991D0CDE241 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 the lounge area is open. tables, wireless, and power, but no printer. =97Sandy > On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/19/16 9:40 PM, Roland Bless wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >>> =3D IETF 96 Network Information =96 Berlin, Germany =3D >>>=20 >>> =3D=3D Terminal Room =3D=3D >>>=20 >>> The Terminal Room is located in Kopenick 1 & 2, which is in the long >>> hall to the right past the breakfast cafe. The Terminal Room is open >>> 24 hours each day beginning Sunday, 17 July, 2016 at 16:00 and = ending >>> on Friday, 22 July, 2016 at 15:00. A help desk is provided and the >>> hours are listed below. The room itself consists of approximately = 75 >>=20 >> I appreciate the provisioning of a Terminal room with a printer very >> much, but right now (21:30h) it was closed. :-( >> So open 24 hours doesn't seem to hold... >>=20 >=20 > I too, came over for the late-night terminal room action and was shut = down. This is a new experience for me. >=20 > tim >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_78A4196D-797C-44FC-9DB2-3991D0CDE241 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXjpk8AAoJEHplpQeet0IZXMoP/1NAMJmqNy5GGLRB2NRLb7Ba GiJAznK0hbK2DkE8A9OC55OTY4JomWnRl4WXEf129/f35O2qBv+vkPUYct3MKCOj N/xp/PaWRmSRhoA8XKC/+uDSL+/SgpM2zLMAVl8qIY3Jv2/tAdLREmg9SCRbKFLH +KNZVXUzIqKGYpg2ra4j0FhyWkOyncAbiubctq4UeeQkgoiXc6y7XzIeTkx2ND2+ gFy4dyA7sAJF9gduSvq13Nz7ZeRrTvRmkm1bdz+ZDBJXnzZAaHZyBm2LqU51W8S7 2BhHAMUKIaRuhhgoAkYDlYq8MYNuxFQKUJ0hhdNE5+tQBb8HcwGpY2+cGz/Bmfkd dDMlBsA/VrqtiIGGYH9eSySf68+O75+bE8nTIeHxzVkcgWa0AxO+P+HKw3ASqoSX uN9xrJyva515qfg/U/US3jU4OPdhmlJ6biKSmR6BGK2qzBjY6zdCOwZH85XVfhRY 3RMNrEqUkvgB+hdsoo6Tap0eCCi2p7sF6DoVaCSOQqIrsjSB3Jlei+uVx2Lgvfmb wYEPS99TX2Zt553m60gmBPuzM1ho5MZLAK3466P43PHh5yhYxBmPCLWE4HOL1W4n Hx96kvMTeKdgj2hU3N598R8wxtWc+wbKVgv8b0aBkuwnjv2NeLDr1yspb7SGEADP N/zY3JS3QCCwEZpPxZYN =Zgth -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_78A4196D-797C-44FC-9DB2-3991D0CDE241-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 14:20:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2AC12D93B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EE7966E7DA2642C4BAADFB0383F2F988junipernet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 19 Jul 2016 21:20:28.3654 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB1823 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] IETF-96 T-shirt size survey X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:20:32 -0000 --_000_EE7966E7DA2642C4BAADFB0383F2F988junipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", as the responsible party for the = host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shirt order, I'd like to gather some = data as to how your experience worked for this IETF's t-shirt. This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the following URL: https://w= ww.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F The answers to the three questions in the survey will be used to help futur= e hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more informed decisions when pla= cing t-shirt orders. Thanks for your participation. -- Jeff (for the host group) --_000_EE7966E7DA2642C4BAADFB0383F2F988junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8E51CA737290084888954A58F8284B4A@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", as the responsible part= y for the host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shirt order, I'd like to ga= ther some data as to how your experience worked for this IETF's t-shirt. &n= bsp;

This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the followin= g URL: h= ttps://www.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F

The answers to the three questions in the survey will be us= ed to help future hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more informed de= cisions when placing t-shirt orders.

Thanks for your participation.

-- Jeff (for the host group)

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This isn't unusual, but usually is in the other direction. So I said I was a men's large, but they gave me a men's medium, which would be very tight on me if it were a U.S. shirt. This may be why there weren't enough of the small shirts. This is kind of hard to plan for. On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Jeff Haas wrote: > [Choosing this message to respond to.] > > I was responsible for the t-shirt orders for this IETF with assistance > from a producer in the UK. > > As part of the materials the host is supplied for to do planning, we > received a spreadsheet consisting of t-shirt size requests from IETF 83. > Using this, I attempted to do a projection based on those numbers for how > many of a given size to order, usually favoring to stay within 1-2 standard > deviations of the mean for a given size. The prior meetings seemed to > roughly do their orders simply by picking approximately 1500 shirts and > ordering sizes against a Normal distribution. > > Per advice from Alia and Tom, the derived numbers received in increase in > the number of women's t-shirts of most sizes and very slightly bumped up > the number of very large shirts. > > I will be sending a surveymonkey survey out in a few minutes to try to > gather some data regarding how people responded to sizing and whether they > picked up the shirt size that they ordered. We will be bundling this along > with actual sizes ordered to provide as data for future hosts. > > Ideally our process would involve an attendee getting a ticket for the > size that they ordered, and we'd track the size they received. This would > help us to move to more actual numbers rather than some of the statistical > planning it's been obvious prior hosts have had to do. > > With regard to shirt sizing, my observation has been we tend to get > "American sized" or "European sized" (really, most everywhere else) > shirts. The variations in regional sizing is partially what we see as > being responsible for shirt fit issues. As an example, I tend to wear XXL > in European and XL in American and knowing the t-shirt brand in advance I'd > change my size order. > > The choice had been made when working with the producer was to find a more > American sized shirt. This seems to have backfired for a portion of our > attendees. Based on feedback and some of our discussions while going > through the ordering process, posting the brand of t-shirt and a sizing > chart during IETF registration probably makes sense. The main challenge is > that the ordering and production process often begins after IETF > registration begins, and even then a host must make orders based on > estimates in order to have shirts available at the conference. > > I personally apologize for any difficulties that may have been had with > finding a shirt of the appropriate size. I had already promised the > planning committee to try to provide our planning information to help > additional hosts and will be trying to find a way to help set down some of > the challenges of navigating sizing and counts. Likely not in a > Internet-Draft, though. :-) > > -- Jeff > > > > On Jul 19, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Kathleen Moriarty < > kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I > > tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be > > that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told > > that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a > > size they didn't order. > > > > Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order > > more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. > > > > I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be > wrong. > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > Kathleen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a11411c4213ab22053803b6ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BTW, one thing about T-shirt sizes here is that apparently= german T-shirt sizes are different than U.S. sizes. =C2=A0 This isn't = unusual, but usually is in the other direction. =C2=A0 So I said I was a me= n's large, but they gave me a men's medium, which would be very tig= ht on me if it were a U.S. shirt. =C2=A0 This may be why there weren't = enough of the small shirts.

This is kind of hard to plan= for.

= On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:
[Choosing this message to re= spond to.]

I was responsible for the t-shirt orders for this IETF with assistance from= a producer in the UK.

As part of the materials the host is supplied for to do planning, we receiv= ed a spreadsheet consisting of t-shirt size requests from IETF 83.=C2=A0 Us= ing this, I attempted to do a projection based on those numbers for how man= y of a given size to order, usually favoring to stay within 1-2 standard de= viations of the mean for a given size.=C2=A0 The prior meetings seemed to r= oughly do their orders simply by picking approximately 1500 shirts and orde= ring sizes against a Normal distribution.

Per advice from Alia and Tom, the derived numbers received in increase in t= he number of women's t-shirts of most sizes and very slightly bumped up= the number of very large shirts.

I will be sending a surveymonkey survey out in a few minutes to try to gath= er some data regarding how people responded to sizing and whether they pick= ed up the shirt size that they ordered.=C2=A0 We will be bundling this alon= g with actual sizes ordered to provide as data for future hosts.

Ideally our process would involve an attendee getting a ticket for the size= that they ordered, and we'd track the size they received.=C2=A0 This w= ould help us to move to more actual numbers rather than some of the statist= ical planning it's been obvious prior hosts have had to do.

With regard to shirt sizing, my observation has been we tend to get "A= merican sized" or "European sized" (really, most everywhere = else) shirts.=C2=A0 The variations in regional sizing is partially what we = see as being responsible for shirt fit issues.=C2=A0 As an example, I tend = to wear XXL in European and XL in American and knowing the t-shirt brand in= advance I'd change my size order.

The choice had been made when working with the producer was to find a more = American sized shirt.=C2=A0 This seems to have backfired for a portion of o= ur attendees.=C2=A0 Based on feedback and some of our discussions while goi= ng through the ordering process, posting the brand of t-shirt and a sizing = chart during IETF registration probably makes sense.=C2=A0 The main challen= ge is that the ordering and production process often begins after IETF regi= stration begins, and even then a host must make orders based on estimates i= n order to have shirts available at the conference.

I personally apologize for any difficulties that may have been had with fin= ding a shirt of the appropriate size.=C2=A0 I had already promised the plan= ning committee to try to provide our planning information to help additiona= l hosts and will be trying to find a way to help set down some of the chall= enges of navigating sizing and counts.=C2=A0 Likely not in a Internet-Draft= , though. :-)

-- Jeff


> On Jul 19, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> w= rote:
> This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt.=C2=A0 This ti= me I
> tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday.=C2=A0 The problem seems t= o be
> that men are taking the women sizes.=C2=A0 For this meeting, I was tol= d
> that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a=
> size they didn't order.
>
> Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order
> more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. >
> I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be w= rong.
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
> _______________________________________________
> 96attendees mailing list
> 96attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attend= ees

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We've arranged with the h= otel for the terminal room to be available 24x7 for the week, with the room s= taffed as per the announcement you quoted. Thanks for the heads up, and I'll= take it up with the Hotel in the morning. Sorry for your hassle! -Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Roland Bless wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 >> =3D IETF 96 Network Information =E2=80=93 Berlin, Germany =3D >>=20 >> =3D=3D Terminal Room =3D=3D >>=20 >> The Terminal Room is located in Kopenick 1 & 2, which is in the long >> hall to the right past the breakfast cafe. The Terminal Room is open >> 24 hours each day beginning Sunday, 17 July, 2016 at 16:00 and ending >> on Friday, 22 July, 2016 at 15:00. A help desk is provided and the >> hours are listed below. The room itself consists of approximately 75 >=20 > I appreciate the provisioning of a Terminal room with a printer very > much, but right now (21:30h) it was closed. :-( > So open 24 hours doesn't seem to hold... >=20 > Regards, > Roland >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 14:36:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAA112D899 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:36:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NCC1OM4PRMsu for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8142712D931 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bPcgK-00040u-KI; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:36:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:35:59 +0200 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: References: <18F4291E-B388-4666-A599-1CC84DA27E54@juniper.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:36:04 -0000 > BTW, one thing about T-shirt sizes here is that apparently german T-shirt > sizes are different than U.S. sizes. This isn't unusual, but usually is > in the other direction. So I said I was a men's large, but they gave me a > men's medium, which would be very tight on me if it were a U.S. shirt. > This may be why there weren't enough of the small shirts. although hawai`i is not really part of the US, i wear a medium there, an XL on the mainland, and a XXXL in asia. i like tees loose. randy From nobody Tue Jul 19 15:23:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B09112D951 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_GREY=0.424] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable #3 needs an extra option - as noted by others in that thread, the shirt I w= as given was a size smaller than the size I requested (and fits just right)= . From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff H= aas Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:20 PM To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: [96attendees] IETF-96 T-shirt size survey As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", as the responsible party for the = host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shirt order, I'd like to gather some = data as to how your experience worked for this IETF's t-shirt. This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the following URL: https://w= ww.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F The answers to the three questions in the survey will be used to help futur= e hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more informed decisions when pla= cing t-shirt orders. Thanks for your participation. -- Jeff (for the host group) --_000_BLUPR03MB13303481FAE90D7DBACFB46787370BLUPR03MB1330namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

#3 needs an extra option – as noted by others= in that thread, the shirt I was given was a size smaller than the size I r= equested (and fits just right).

 

From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendee= s-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haas
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:20 PM
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [96attendees] IETF-96 T-shirt size survey=

 

As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", = as the responsible party for the host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shir= t order, I'd like to gather some data as to how your experience worked for = this IETF's t-shirt.  

 

This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the f= ollowing URL: https= ://www.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F

 

The answers to the three questions in the survey wil= l be used to help future hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more info= rmed decisions when placing t-shirt orders.

 

Thanks for your participation.

 

-- Jeff (for the host group)

 

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boundary=001a11427bb66d907b0538054a3b Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , Elwyn Davies Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:17:41 -0000 --001a11427bb66d907b0538054a3b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Michael, Today I went to verify if this shop still existed: I found it on Google Street view, but, to my surprise, the image dated from 2008. The shop was gone, together with the small market and a cafe. Now there is an Art Gallery there. I would like to present my apologies on this matter. I remembered the place and since I found it online, I hoped it was still available. I am used to take into account Street view photos since in my city they have photographed it 9 times between 2012 and 2015 (last one: Oct 2015). Regards, Diego On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > Elwyn Davies wrote: > > not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, > > on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. > > > We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and it did the > > business. > > I couldn't find it. > > I asked at the Lutzow hotel reception, and maybe they gave me wrong > directions. They told me to exit, turn left, and then take the second > right, > which took me out to the main street, and I found no laundrymat/etc. > > There is no Keithstrasse 37 (33 on one side, 39 on the other side of that > street, even numbers on the other side). I took the "close" to mean > somewhere on that corner. > > so... can you give me better directions? > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > --001a11427bb66d907b0538054a3b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Today I went to verify if this shop still existed:=
I found it on Google Street view, but, to my surprise, the <= br>image dated from 2008.
The shop was gone, together with th= e small market and
a cafe. Now there is an Art Gallery there.=
I would like to present my apologies on this matter. I remem= bered
the place and since I found it online, I hoped it was s= till available.
I am used to take into account Street view ph= otos since in
my city they have photographed it 9 times betwe= en 2012
and 2015 (last one: Oct 2015).
Regards= ,

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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM= , Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
Elwyn Davies <davieseb@scss.tcd.ie> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not tried myself, it is close to Keit= hstrasse 37,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on the opposite side of the Lutzow ho= tel.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and = it did the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > business.

I couldn't find it.

I asked at the Lutzow hotel reception, and maybe they gave me wrong
directions. They told me to exit, turn left, and then take the second right= ,
which took me out to the main street, and I found no laundrymat/etc.

There is no Keithstrasse 37 (33 on one side, 39 on the other side of that street, even numbers on the other side).=C2=A0 I took the "close"= to mean
somewhere on that corner.

so... can you give me better directions?

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]=C2=A0 =C2=A0Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 | network architect=C2=A0 [
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--001a11427bb66d907b0538054a3b-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 19:23:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F2212D0E6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p3kEsNieCWZD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EA5612D825 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=979; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468981430; x=1470191030; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=7cp7JgESMwhlgYTRyLlK2ajJvyW7os+r+5/jsc4dHjo=; b=h/XQ/nsUP4n2xt+yFeihsobaMN7+wsAIRmnW66XhInXsgnpe2pylZ1uV XG6yw+zagRlohs4Y9WRzNCDT2lPR2mo/5lD+uiBpLgWd2RMmye6njnHaB /QUmLjCYUcZ9g1byWLkfZr+NhDS43YYMO7YZcPzGhakUZehhEnXKuYq66 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AqBQC6345X/40NJK1XBoM/Vny6aCKFL?= =?us-ascii?q?koCgTQ7EQEBAQEBAQFlJ4RdAQQBAQE4NAEBCRACAQg1ARAnCyUCBA4FiCgIDr0?= =?us-ascii?q?jAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBFwWGKoF4CIJNhDIOgyyCLwWZJAGOYY83k?= =?us-ascii?q?B0BNCCCCxyBTG6IJQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,392,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="125969163" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 20 Jul 2016 02:23:49 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (xch-rcd-015.cisco.com [173.37.102.25]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6K2Nn0q011443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:23:49 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:23:48 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:23:48 -0500 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: Randy Bush Thread-Topic: [96attendees] T-Shirts Thread-Index: AQHR4dd/M02BEUa0eUee5btGgmQoZqAglOIAgAAC9ACAAANggP///Jru Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:23:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <18F4291E-B388-4666-A599-1CC84DA27E54@juniper.net> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Ted Lemon Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:23:52 -0000 The letter sizes are useless. Better would be to list the t-shirts by chest= and belly measurements. Not good marketing for sure, but at least people c= an make an informed choice. Thanks, Jakob. On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> BTW, one thing about T-shirt sizes here is that apparently german T-shir= t >> sizes are different than U.S. sizes. This isn't unusual, but usually i= s >> in the other direction. So I said I was a men's large, but they gave m= e a >> men's medium, which would be very tight on me if it were a U.S. shirt. >> This may be why there weren't enough of the small shirts. >=20 > although hawai`i is not really part of the US, i wear a medium there, an > XL on the mainland, and a XXXL in asia. i like tees loose. >=20 > randy >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Tue Jul 19 21:55:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B02512DA24 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4o403cn6yUJb for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61AFA12D145 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222101FE72; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:55:18 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d= beuth-hochschule.de; h=x-mailer:references:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:from:from:content-type:content-type:mime-version :subject:subject:received:received; s=beuth; t=1468990513; x= 1470804914; bh=Prx/ih0JCSbPY42TVBGT3bfqqupRFp5BxP9eXRtvNLA=; b=U 7IA7KP7aCiS7TZRm6RKhPObBQQ+nWwdM3yFaOiuwfAgldyW4jplZdFDnAm9hGcu/ vw0TKnuWJuCMln2guGLCZXgB5kBwpgsuNX0SI2IFHkN7hvWWPysNNi8/Q/yj8f1E /JASlFPSXqKic7xsXh3Nw+1fHUyevACwTlzPIz13Ws= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx02.beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de ([141.64.12.230]) by localhost (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10034) with ESMTP id LLzstpoeUkyr; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aprikado.fritz.box (p54BD1ED3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.189.30.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A93C7156-3BDA-4DBD-9D19-F60C5783A6C8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Thomas Scheffler In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:53:09 +0200 Message-Id: <5AA45E06-8AC5-411F-8E35-FC1E9DF26373@beuth-hochschule.de> References: <18851.1468858345@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <95cffa56-7cc5-03c4-64cf-eb2ea438b628@scss.tcd.ie> <18566.1468920929@obiwan.sandelman.ca> To: Diego Dujovne X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , Michael Richardson , Elwyn Davies Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:55:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A93C7156-3BDA-4DBD-9D19-F60C5783A6C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is advertising all over the City for an App-based service: = https://www.zipjet.de/en/berlin I have not used it myself. But it sounds to me like the perfect service = for people staying in hotels... I would be interested to know if it works as advertised... Thomas Am 20.07.2016 um 01:17 schrieb Diego Dujovne : > Michael, > Today I went to verify if this shop still existed: > I found it on Google Street view, but, to my surprise, the > image dated from 2008. > The shop was gone, together with the small market and > a cafe. Now there is an Art Gallery there. > I would like to present my apologies on this matter. I remembered > the place and since I found it online, I hoped it was still available. > I am used to take into account Street view photos since in > my city they have photographed it 9 times between 2012 > and 2015 (last one: Oct 2015). > Regards, >=20 > Diego >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Michael Richardson = wrote: > Elwyn Davies wrote: > > not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, > > on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. >=20 > > We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and it did = the > > business. >=20 > I couldn't find it. >=20 > I asked at the Lutzow hotel reception, and maybe they gave me wrong > directions. They told me to exit, turn left, and then take the second = right, > which took me out to the main street, and I found no laundrymat/etc. >=20 > There is no Keithstrasse 37 (33 on one side, 39 on the other side of = that > street, even numbers on the other side). I took the "close" to mean > somewhere on that corner. >=20 > so... can you give me better directions? >=20 > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh = networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network = architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on = rails [ >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_A93C7156-3BDA-4DBD-9D19-F60C5783A6C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXjwO2AAoJEJCDqCuE1lyrEGAQANYVKVB8EaDSh0wDB6i7yYQf 1ij0HyatmeEWFqCQrAg3qGrgv7as1hDcpAzuJ1P6YB1TElROn4hT8AprLL3wvQHP EkEK+GTueknKzADc9+df9q6lvioDAxEiMWEnQZPvqJJFF44RazO8Bf8QxkQz0p4E x9FdcCo+2EeL7C5fxT7U9dESD1HCz58uzMxeX/Q+jrSB6/9Ah+1i21OC/mw1zp+l 58UJsvcHg0qpr1Z8zX2Kcj9XxLy1kHdSUqMiPWoUWjiRS4clGdpPJh2ZY7Xl5gJh FOvIKPJWrmmDtr5ZLkvRlpSVFRDXGVU9a3GiiXOEkryaRo6obx3zq59bIH90v4hY 6BG4G5irY+h2D7Iajusqi/Y96zW588kFZu/M5uWn1zlrKctablEalmk1FFT6It2s NXtgrn57uuPwiPmxq0+e/6+7wtazeOwawBuG6Sa7J8+MFJ1OV0eo8SQeGCKKMlk/ G+qyxWyH4+Czt128YBkXlh+YERyd1njSok7V6peNAN1yX+gYUXCheAXYYo/mp2Dx 75sBo5OzmEOmyXVPdzQ6DjsVJq3C983pYmO/lVHCPiXLFm0Fc0PAWj641DSKr1hU f/oFMev1gyUAi9Yx69WsEQmhqHnB7pmbkrS4kf9wCtvEi4bMHsjaPyxEb7Uj7ogK BnBvJz8C2d3Kts+ZvJIl =XWt5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A93C7156-3BDA-4DBD-9D19-F60C5783A6C8-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 22:33:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF6C12D181 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset=us-ascii Google seems to have given up on Street view in Germany. The courts granted property owners the right to have their space pixelated and a lot of people did this. So, Google choose not to take pictures again. Germany - the backwaters of the Internet ;-) Thomas Am 20.07.2016 um 01:17 schrieb Diego Dujovne : > Michael, > Today I went to verify if this shop still existed: > I found it on Google Street view, but, to my surprise, the > image dated from 2008. > The shop was gone, together with the small market and > a cafe. Now there is an Art Gallery there. > I would like to present my apologies on this matter. I remembered > the place and since I found it online, I hoped it was still available. > I am used to take into account Street view photos since in > my city they have photographed it 9 times between 2012 > and 2015 (last one: Oct 2015). > Regards, >=20 > Diego >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Michael Richardson = wrote: > Elwyn Davies wrote: > > not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, > > on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. >=20 > > We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and it did = the > > business. >=20 > I couldn't find it. >=20 > I asked at the Lutzow hotel reception, and maybe they gave me wrong > directions. They told me to exit, turn left, and then take the second = right, > which took me out to the main street, and I found no laundrymat/etc. >=20 > There is no Keithstrasse 37 (33 on one side, 39 on the other side of = that > street, even numbers on the other side). 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Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:01:37 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:01:37 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1009563b34=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.18.0.160709 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:01:33 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <54485202-81A0-4DEA-A00B-6DF654C45D4B@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] T-Shirts References: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:01:42 -0000 This is surprising to me. On Sunday morning, right after the IEPG meeting, I was told there are no mo= re men S, but you got it on Monday? So somebody was lying or at least very confused at the t-shirt desk =E2=80=A6 Not= good. For me is the 4th time I got the wrong size, despite having indicated what = size I need at the registration. It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register and indica= te the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the registration or= der. Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as better as we ca= n? Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de John Dowdell Responder a: Fecha: martes, 19 de julio de 2016, 18:19 Para: Kathleen Moriarty CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts =20 =20 > On 19 Jul 2016, at 17:58, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This is the second IETF I was not able to get a T-shirt. This time I > tried on Monday, last time it was a Tuesday. The problem seems to be > that men are taking the women sizes. For this meeting, I was told > that many men thought the men's sizes were too big, so they took a > size they didn't order. >=20 > Can we either plan to order the size we will request or just order > more smaller sizes than what people request, preferably the former. =20 I usually ask for and take a men's medium. On Monday morning I was told= there were no mediums, but men's small fitted with room to spare. Perhaps t= hey are all on the roomy side? =20 John >=20 > I think we are consistently left with the bigger sizes, but could be = wrong. >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Kathleen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 00:22:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0315612DA27 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.763 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.763 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, URIBL_GREY=0.424] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id APhvuZcH2VSf for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.haw-public.haw-hamburg.de (mx3.haw-public.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.6.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A22312D5A3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,393,1464645600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="28984461" Received: from post.haw-hamburg.de (HELO HUB01.mailcluster.haw-hamburg.de) ([141.22.24.50]) by mail3.is.haw-hamburg.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 20 Jul 2016 09:22:06 +0200 Received: from CAS01.mailcluster.haw-hamburg.de (2002:8d16:183c::8d16:183c) by HUB01.mailcluster.haw-hamburg.de (2002:8d16:1832::8d16:1832) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.248.2; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:22:05 +0200 Received: from mobi14.inet.haw-hamburg.de (141.22.250.35) by haw-mailer.haw-hamburg.de (141.22.24.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.248.2; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:22:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A16DFDD6-1D6D-4A08-A7BD-4EAC1AE63200"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Sebastian Meiling In-Reply-To: <4B6A8F54-F297-40BD-B359-19471643775D@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:22:03 +0200 Message-ID: <62306DDD-F8AB-40A7-91CE-784FD0D44D44@haw-hamburg.de> References: <4B6A8F54-F297-40BD-B359-19471643775D@juniper.net> To: Jeff Haas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Originating-IP: [141.22.250.35] Archived-At: Cc: Mike Bishop , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF-96 T-shirt size survey X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:22:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A16DFDD6-1D6D-4A08-A7BD-4EAC1AE63200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey Jeff, and all, as Mike, I think (valid) options are missing - or at least you may miss = out on some cases. For instance, I knew IETF shirts are often a bit larger, so I requested = a size M shirt in advance, picked up a size M - and (un?)surprisingly it = was still too large :/ But, I also marked option "Expected shirt to be = smaller", so it should count ... --- Anyway, no hard feelings. I'm happy having something to take home and = remember IETF96 - in addition to WG meetings, discussions and so on ... Best, Sebastian > Am 20.07.2016 um 00:57 schrieb Jeff Haas : >=20 > Please use the option "Expected shirt to be smaller". >=20 > For example, if you asked for a XL and was given an L, you expected = the shirt to be smaller. I believe the staff handing out the shirts = figured out things were larger than expected and adapted for you. But = the answer we want to track was the shirt you would have gotten was too = big. >=20 > -- Jeff >=20 >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:23 AM, Mike Bishop = wrote: >>=20 >> #3 needs an extra option =E2=80=93 as noted by others in that thread, = the shirt I was given was a size smaller than the size I requested (and = fits just right). >>=20 >> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Jeff Haas >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:20 PM >> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Subject: [96attendees] IETF-96 T-shirt size survey >>=20 >> As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", as the responsible party = for the host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shirt order, I'd like to = gather some data as to how your experience worked for this IETF's = t-shirt. >>=20 >> This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the following URL: = https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F >>=20 >> The answers to the three questions in the survey will be used to help = future hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more informed decisions = when placing t-shirt orders. >>=20 >> Thanks for your participation. >>=20 >> -- Jeff (for the host group) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_A16DFDD6-1D6D-4A08-A7BD-4EAC1AE63200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXjyacAAoJEOIU4IYoh+gAF28P/AiRkb+Npq20N9lqcsPEvaI7 WAyivvRAjOLPhvSK00GRZ4vmFjFrgOpBDbOgCoRCQ7GEMNetIGMFELDqqyIWdsCk pYOxIJNuKyxCe+8TXBPFPL1C/5jYzQYO50y0AbLkDMyZ1XBVJkJ2r39ZzT15LnMg 48d81vx0rSwCFTIZTnwU5iDLlOxnE2Fn/CY3UuOOF0ConbwFfZFB0ghscCtFGXRd +UHAhl80xLESY2a7gOexDTLwKbCUxUTzEI8VTqL6rzBSrMGYng/x4D1jqzNZA1yW IOmAE2o9Sim3iWkeIpId9XdrjLGDgVv3jd/Hs/qNfOA6cV59gQObG28XUk3VomcV b9adDI3L/xismtqpoO9E/cspRomiuS1jwdgWibO7p0zDKzCF4KXSY0ZvLl9t9Tk7 PEu/LwlXvEli4HPB5Ac/pcqCPFGc2JQUY2yr+JSbzLwVrBM1UZ8RZp+xkUiR2CUi 8+5Xn6QYV1c3ns/k7PTr2dFpBh6sN6KGZEbTcXNqRjaXYcjdmRYIm8eZUGBu7HGY P1Gq0LL5kGuhE+T5E1MNF2yVnT6rQZEnx1OH/s7Jerp8xhnf3YFGjVK5u+YHSB85 DkKa6M0e1GB+yeCddYWG/RTfD/hwLd8jkp5P9my8MLPuUw7lo6zslvbZXC9fQyHu 86KpfTafO8r1Kcno7bjn =pfJi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A16DFDD6-1D6D-4A08-A7BD-4EAC1AE63200-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 00:23:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB8212DADD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QyYAAYun0k0Y for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B9EF12DA27 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bPlqK-0006E9-Rn; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:22:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:22:56 +0200 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Thomas Scheffler In-Reply-To: <9D00D87E-E4DF-4467-A139-B9B66D792C36@beuth-hochschule.de> References: <18851.1468858345@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <95cffa56-7cc5-03c4-64cf-eb2ea438b628@scss.tcd.ie> <18566.1468920929@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <9D00D87E-E4DF-4467-A139-B9B66D792C36@beuth-hochschule.de> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Google Street view X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:23:01 -0000 > Google seems to have given up on Street view in Germany. > The courts granted property owners the right to have their space > pixelated and a lot of people did this. So, Google choose not > to take pictures again. > > Germany - the backwaters of the Internet ;-) perhaps a concern for privacy is a mark of forward thinking randy From nobody Wed Jul 20 00:42:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295B812DAD3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OCI8D4Y5piZn for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nt.tuwien.ac.at (mail.nt.tuwien.ac.at [128.131.67.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3744212D9B9 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C99B44B75C; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:42:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.nt.tuwien.ac.at Received: from mail.nt.tuwien.ac.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.nt.tuwien.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PY6oCEIlaZ08; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [31.133.152.68] (dhcp-9844.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.152.68]) by mail.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DAFAB44B74C; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:42:17 +0200 (CEST) References: <18851.1468858345@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <95cffa56-7cc5-03c4-64cf-eb2ea438b628@scss.tcd.ie> <18566.1468920929@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <5AA45E06-8AC5-411F-8E35-FC1E9DF26373@beuth-hochschule.de> To: Thomas Scheffler , Diego Dujovne From: Joachim Fabini Message-ID: <578F2B46.1020801@tuwien.ac.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:41:58 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5AA45E06-8AC5-411F-8E35-FC1E9DF26373@beuth-hochschule.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , Michael Richardson , Elwyn Davies Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: joachim.fabini@tuwien.ac.at List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:42:25 -0000 Btw, another option: this morning I saw a tiny one at the crossing of Kurfrstenstrae and Bayreuther Strae - about 5min walking from Intercontinental. Walk out of Interc., follow Wichmannstrae, turn right on Keithstrae, follow til the crossing with Kurfrstenstrae. Cross Kurfrstenstrae and turn right. You can't miss it - TopClean Textilpflege GmbH & Co. KG, Bayreuther Str. 44, 10787 Berlin http://www.wilmas-waeschekorb.de/ has an exact map and price list (german only). hih Joachim On 2016-07-20 06:53, Thomas Scheffler wrote: > There is advertising all over the City for an App-based service: https://www.zipjet.de/en/berlin > > I have not used it myself. But it sounds to me like the perfect service for people staying in hotels... > I would be interested to know if it works as advertised... > > Thomas > > Am 20.07.2016 um 01:17 schrieb Diego Dujovne : > >> Michael, >> Today I went to verify if this shop still existed: >> I found it on Google Street view, but, to my surprise, the >> image dated from 2008. >> The shop was gone, together with the small market and >> a cafe. Now there is an Art Gallery there. >> I would like to present my apologies on this matter. I remembered >> the place and since I found it online, I hoped it was still available. >> I am used to take into account Street view photos since in >> my city they have photographed it 9 times between 2012 >> and 2015 (last one: Oct 2015). >> Regards, >> >> Diego >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: >> Elwyn Davies wrote: >> > not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, >> > on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. >> >> > We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and it did the >> > business. >> >> I couldn't find it. >> >> I asked at the Lutzow hotel reception, and maybe they gave me wrong >> directions. They told me to exit, turn left, and then take the second right, >> which took me out to the main street, and I found no laundrymat/etc. >> >> There is no Keithstrasse 37 (33 on one side, 39 on the other side of that >> street, even numbers on the other side). I took the "close" to mean >> somewhere on that corner. >> >> so... can you give me better directions? >> >> -- >> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ >> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ >> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Wed Jul 20 00:46:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1207712B02A for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:46:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z5dgpykTPCKv for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3968D12D17A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id q128so45043720wma.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:46:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=r+yZ9IgPQuhSypamOECFhHTwLAOPA1j/F5mVBS7KIQg=; b=z84kPytYvtTRj85kYSAHZ1e/WuQTE3Gm5UFav1jbf6b4O83Tw+cYeTgpCrvgSs+fzy ca2hmJAGhTzJ//QO79UsBv4pcfUpBynhv34CTycG4PAXkuMDmFo4b2eTXC66XhA/tsh9 s+sKDBSdrxB2AE5xVBAtC4RLyGpJ8YTEawgUQfAOVp1Zs2Wd4+kh+kAsNLBqCkKUc+8L Wd8t0CtOTUaoaPG824O/L4bdImmNGuvPUix8TDya8vYil5LetG0RhXCvXfwuUxNqmzZL wTTSNynm1rjjMCzpQCbwFEMBpl6T75tzSoWEDO/fE2cqpCOEANL6vuwTz4nDNKCVkZhR EbmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=r+yZ9IgPQuhSypamOECFhHTwLAOPA1j/F5mVBS7KIQg=; b=WyMUSzpYEIPo7t8erkhJkOCFrvZzTq21PIuxaWw+3glyjUVm0EEcxdZKCodCkqvsK+ +uM3Yqo8Ghvg+FgcwD+zBrFB1Oi8P7AzPIvlsL7+RWumCXnEswrMlHegtkrmJqVVyLM5 BTh7R2vUaEwqljOgQL36zvpsxJKKPEVe0pW1MdmomjZHpps8G6efIkXge3/KlZ6KUNQj JKqsQ0uw7hgyPAeVdmW6BFSajYfB6U3GAJiTuUAinW0J//8cem+kBTdHhTqxhPhtmrI9 hptQ6SH0oFu0SPGE5GcLDKWchz1vBZEJmy/Znuq3ghkJojiQVfZ2ymIWSaQvnZsBakBP kbjA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJpIPQbcJtp0ZRD3e1QJvzBEYyipgiYkNURniEMIO+gsgHL1YKl6giIeYAKB2ad4A== X-Received: by 10.28.101.5 with SMTP id z5mr10325001wmb.9.1469000804643; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:750b:adfd:2a51:2ec0? ([2001:67c:370:176:750b:adfd:2a51:2ec0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q187sm29954904wma.17.2016.07.20.00.46.43 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: <54485202-81A0-4DEA-A00B-6DF654C45D4B@consulintel.es> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:46:43 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5781C6CD-0EE2-4B84-A360-CAD7323691CB@gmail.com> References: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> <54485202-81A0-4DEA-A00B-6DF654C45D4B@consulintel.es> To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:46:51 -0000 On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ = wrote: > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register and = indicate the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the = registration order. Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead = as better as we can? At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the size I = always get. When I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, = I asked for XL but the woman handing them out looked me over and said L = was my size, so that=E2=80=99s what she gave me. This shirt is still the = biggest one I ever got at an IETF meeting.=20 Yoav From nobody Wed Jul 20 00:56:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E63D12D9B9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:55:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K2vew5UtiVcH for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6595E12D0CD for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:55:51 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-f79486d0000069d0-f9-578f2e85f7e0 Received: from ESESSHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.24]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 4C.6C.27088.58E2F875; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:55:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.208]) by ESESSHC002.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.24]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:55:48 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Berlin swim: Olympic Swim stadium Thread-Index: AdHiXCO6R/CBb87oSfWTOfB4bva5QQ== Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:55:48 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D8E07@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.154] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7hG6rXn+4wfOJOhZ7pzYxOTB6LFny kymAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoEr4+DJK2wFHawVO5dsYmtg/MrcxcjJISFgIvH33CsoW0ziwr31 bF2MXBxCAkcYJc5e28UM4SxhlJjx9wlrFyMHB5uAhUT3P20QU0RAXeLaOl2QXmEBLYk9TV+Y QGwRAX2J++/vQ9l6Ehu/zWMFsVkEVCUaXraB2bwCvhJbTi8CsxmB9n4/tQasnllAXOLWk/lM EPcISCzZcx7qNlGJl4//sULYShKLbn+GqteRWLD7ExuErS2xbOFrZoj5ghInZz5hmcAoPAvJ 2FlIWmYhaZmFpGUBI8sqRtHi1OKk3HQjI73Uoszk4uL8PL281JJNjMAAP7jlt8EOxpfPHQ8x CnAwKvHwKtzuCxdiTSwrrsw9xCjBwawkwpug3R8uxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iFGag0VJnNf/ pWK4kEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgXGKuql60J4274B791Q/HgkX+ydU+sB39rEN7g35L2dk dPqF6dUqvHkvtYhV5qFw7pIJ0qV7pMztrzu4+nf/z+lKaj0ce3r2vbha8dpDmQUz74Rl+bBu j9JvfFxf8HeR+PxFBt92X2jRk29Ov3JA21ts+uof07x6TkcY7dILP53yV8Bz+7wdf5RYijMS DbWYi4oTAaI0mLFsAgAA Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Berlin swim: Olympic Swim stadium X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:55:54 -0000 Hi, I went swimming at the Olympic Swim stadium this morning. Very easy to get = to with the U2 line (about a 10 minute walk on a marked path from the Olymp= ic Stadium U-bahn station). Eventhough the whole 50 m pool was open, they only had 2 dedicated lap swim= lanes, and they weren't very well policed, but for my speed it was ok.=20 You need a lock (can be purchased in the ticket booth) if you want to put y= our stuff in a locker (there are also small 1 EUR storage boxes for wallets= and other small things). However, me (and many others) just left the bag, = towel etc on a bench next to the pool. Regards, Christer From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:10:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8221A12B017 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uU7n0uLvRj6a for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71EFB127078 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:10:38 +0200 Received: from [31.133.140.16] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000610459.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:10:38 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:10:38 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1009563b34=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.18.0.160709 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:10:32 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <38EE6B4C-35F3-4EC5-B365-A08FE9EE12B9@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] T-Shirts References: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> <54485202-81A0-4DEA-A00B-6DF654C45D4B@consulintel.es> <5781C6CD-0EE2-4B84-A360-CAD7323691CB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5781C6CD-0EE2-4B84-A360-CAD7323691CB@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:10:46 -0000 Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the reference = to the sizes for that meeting. I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it worked perfe= ctly. Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the registration= , they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from the rema= ining available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right size. -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir Responder a: Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts =20 On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: =20 > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register and = indicate the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the registrat= ion order. Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as better as= we can? =20 At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the size I alway= s get. When I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked f= or XL but the woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, = so that=E2=80=99s what she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got= at an IETF meeting.=20 =20 Yoav =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:12:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89F812B004 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:12:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8b__EcUIb8E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E13E127078 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx02.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41B720AC2; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:12:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d= beuth-hochschule.de; h=x-mailer:references:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:from:from:content-type:content-type:mime-version :subject:subject:received:received; s=beuth; t=1469002367; x= 1470816768; bh=IfNEGKhCNsLfmMxw6E2rLmJVgNVfCJIfb+eLXEOOZcM=; b=b LJ2L+gwzh+cOsIZq4j2hvo+KqpXbBQJaIxeQbzmLQc6YqdELYyuDvEEffwpLf+Yy TzU3r5GffUyvHh11nZoSG0fAXY5BMrTXECCNgo+GJYaBSA1U/Gpo5c1S1UNPRBwC CPYWHJWPY5otxnxqc3055sE4GeyUSxHy+1nr/sF9Xc= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx02.beuth-hochschule.de Received: from mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de ([141.64.12.230]) by localhost (mx02.beuth-hochschule.de [141.64.5.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10034) with ESMTP id 7O2J6s3aIjzA; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:12:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-99c8.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-99c8.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.153.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailstore1.beuth-hochschule.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:12:47 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7EC80A13-07CE-46E4-87DF-341002175431"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Thomas Scheffler In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:12:45 +0200 Message-Id: References: <18851.1468858345@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <95cffa56-7cc5-03c4-64cf-eb2ea438b628@scss.tcd.ie> <18566.1468920929@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <9D00D87E-E4DF-4467-A139-B9B66D792C36@beuth-hochschule.de> To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Google Street view X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:12:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7EC80A13-07CE-46E4-87DF-341002175431 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh, I am all for privacy. But Google showing Street view data from 2008 in a place like Berlin is getting ridiculous... Thomas Am 20.07.2016 um 09:22 schrieb Randy Bush : >> Google seems to have given up on Street view in Germany. >> The courts granted property owners the right to have their space >> pixelated and a lot of people did this. So, Google choose not >> to take pictures again. >> >> Germany - the backwaters of the Internet ;-) > > perhaps a concern for privacy is a mark of forward thinking > > randy --Apple-Mail=_7EC80A13-07CE-46E4-87DF-341002175431 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXjzJ+AAoJEJCDqCuE1lyrkb8QAJRIdKxwab/xugcpxTFnnpC3 AVQZr4+wWwk6vZbzdTndoTlTHc8n0O7feg7fe3wzBjsMWmAZxHTPPtbYBaRUdr4B GHZPlnzbgQ8HsaGRMbDV8sTHnvjyNSdy9ZWw3G8All1mKDnVt40vEi8qw6mg84HI Qj2+UI8JBjESY9AWgGOYHAGyAje2shRYniut5BUkI9dJioXuRVONkno4HIm7i5/f hasY9kDHrbV5TAAPn+iUK8yq3oayA329dSykn/8/8UAyUJ58zjQHmcjMPG8N7DS2 erSzqhwAzG/sq2OYENZOzJnQQD+Wn2e4Qf1jaXqvQIts8cmyUp5Hm8ZwdIXqoC2m uIdXP7EVJPXfIcVwKDO7zHjhSbuuykTH2SMEqrOeOODNH0AjAfodjM+RwVjXFHXv aRohs1DZLlD8hS+5LNOcd/22MeHWAvBUd0gMR+d0CGViMyY9rFh02wiMLDO2DPpP esV8ATolOEobo5npXa3txeFs+zQYJ3CACK6LwbZTlFv7ndf0Y0qJoIQ4OOsT+L8X 8Nt2KL9g+wA2aGiR7KW/aPEZbwsXLUBDw9sBWTUqGNu4VCORZPMYJM1iIFVDcfiK N/jLO3DO6T4kWsxv9wR7fadk/OfMoon30ogWqIrthxhM4sdl1lMN+hl8Ce+22Yl2 /B9GgSLrADVqe5HMfU9X =ylhe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_7EC80A13-07CE-46E4-87DF-341002175431-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:15:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE6112B037 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:16:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.37.104 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:16:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <38EE6B4C-35F3-4EC5-B365-A08FE9EE12B9@consulintel.es> References: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> <54485202-81A0-4DEA-A00B-6DF654C45D4B@consulintel.es> <5781C6CD-0EE2-4B84-A360-CAD7323691CB@gmail.com> <38EE6B4C-35F3-4EC5-B365-A08FE9EE12B9@consulintel.es> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: To: Jordi Palet Martinez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:16:59 -0000 On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:10 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the referenc= e to the sizes for that meeting. > > I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it worked per= fectly. I think there were many issues in this particular case and it sounds like the people hired to hand out the shirts took a lot of liberty in readjusting the sizes to what might actually fit. Maybe that was necessary so some of the tshirts actually get worn. It also sounds like the IETF attendees prefer smaller sizes in recent years. Maybe that has to do with serving fruit, vegetables, and yogurt instead of just cookies ;-) All good things IMO and just kidding a bit. We'll see how Jeff's poll turns out and these ideas are good to see shared to correct the problem as much as can be done for future meetings. The data they were provided was from 8 meetings ago as well, then did their best to figure out what to order. The Tshirts, sponsorship, and efforts to make this all as smooth as possible are much appreciated! Kathleen > > Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the registrati= on, they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from the r= emaining available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right si= ze. > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir > Responder a: > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > > > On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register an= d indicate the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the regist= ration order. Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as bette= r as we can? > > At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the size= I always get. When I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, = I asked for XL but the woman handing them out looked me over and said L was= my size, so that=E2=80=99s what she gave me. This shirt is still the bigge= st one I ever got at an IETF meeting. > > Yoav > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:18:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DA012B040 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:18:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fh9EE2xYpRJZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05CDC12B039 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q4de8psa169.blf.telekom.de ([10.151.13.200]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA; 20 Jul 2016 10:18:16 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,393,1464645600"; d="scan'208";a="1100593926" Received: from he111510.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.206.92.113]) by q4de8psazkj.blf.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 20 Jul 2016 10:17:08 +0200 Received: from HE113506.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.206.92.142]) by HE111510.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:17:08 +0200 From: To: , <96attendees@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:17:03 +0200 Thread-Topic: Seagrams 7 Crowns Whisky - Where to get? 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So, Google choose not > > to take pictures again. > >=20 > > Germany - the backwaters of the Internet ;-) >=20 > perhaps a concern for privacy is a mark of forward thinking +1 --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXjzRcAAoJEItjklUqsoG22QYP/2pvcWYTO6YZo7LkZdogFPnj Cbj1Iu2UkBQCBj3DaDF4CQXthy/m7opSYQZtv+OukEstaYHg7cg6LmT5/oa7pPnJ /EI3Fvjgesv0l0zEDhh7PAxWbnTupi0J8wZz+8GwtKEC0ynx0N8QvEOexnRZ8H/G egkiPt8Ku1BbtGQyqZ0CVcv37+tU+iF437mvfPzcB+L8La7TOZMvsOgWwSp1tkiS 4yZPw7W7OJUa32WDleIrACCSvkxn3xSV0LS8QG/nWiw1LGUsfM280rfC7X7loyv7 eLHKA93YOQwwRKG2+5Z0W4CzHbTawZp7dPqddL0VskZM91hgUQRODeBGAi/FCaGM S0Rq87ygOa+QN8rG5610A5Ftg+ZC9p9dsh/sFYIVgBgYukoS+e2awi5rmMAMwRt8 yOn6UTzpmQMDO1wp3w3LrpQkWPp8LW2YUNm2mDTt/q73tR6VqgnWNCoF5eODJSLi Jdyki1IYrlHgWBdW5iKbPD2Y8WyyLYe6Gq24CscUAEbmvSDv2vKiiDoFbNbfU0tK if93NW1bCcfKnJV2SAiQuNfj+w3hFiV10iI12sE09xWmHmAW4xl9udl29w+ai/d6 fwwBia7BCW+3qoiNpZb+JoElHYT5LCJgWmL18845UzdGHnj3jGF68JcEjgwC/Nh1 4fehcHSJ7ps9hVawEcX+ =COyW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:24:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D3A12D17A for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2AVq1kkUnBlA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B417412B037 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:24:50 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:24:48 +0200 Received: from [31.133.140.16] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000610481.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:24:48 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:24:48 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1009563b34=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.18.0.160709 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:24:45 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <3A6A841D-BFCF-41F7-82BE-8860DDCE9BE5@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] T-Shirts References: <5A47B865-E04D-4079-9029-0C1F3198BF03@gmail.com> <54485202-81A0-4DEA-A00B-6DF654C45D4B@consulintel.es> <5781C6CD-0EE2-4B84-A360-CAD7323691CB@gmail.com> <38EE6B4C-35F3-4EC5-B365-A08FE9EE12B9@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:24:56 -0000 But in any case, the right thing to do is to provide the T-shirts in the or= der and size that you registered. If you decide to change the size, then you= go to the end of the queue respecting the others. I always go for S, I never asked for anything different than what I selecte= d in the registration, is just a matter of respect towards the rest of the p= articipants, and despite that, I got several M and L because S (and M) where= gone. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Kathleen Moriar= ty Responder a: Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:16 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:10 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the refe= rence to the sizes for that meeting. > > I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it worked= perfectly. =20 I think there were many issues in this particular case and it sounds like the people hired to hand out the shirts took a lot of liberty in readjusting the sizes to what might actually fit. Maybe that was necessary so some of the tshirts actually get worn. =20 It also sounds like the IETF attendees prefer smaller sizes in recent years. Maybe that has to do with serving fruit, vegetables, and yogurt instead of just cookies ;-) All good things IMO and just kidding a bit. =20 We'll see how Jeff's poll turns out and these ideas are good to see shared to correct the problem as much as can be done for future meetings. The data they were provided was from 8 meetings ago as well, then did their best to figure out what to order. The Tshirts, sponsorship, and efforts to make this all as smooth as possible are much appreciated! =20 Kathleen =20 > > Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the regist= ration, they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from th= e remaining available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right = size. > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir = > Responder a: > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > > > On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that registe= r and indicate the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the reg= istration order. Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as bet= ter as we can? > > At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the size I= always get. When I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I a= sked for XL but the woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my = size, so that=E2=80=99s what she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ev= er got at an IETF meeting. > > Yoav > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 =20 =20 --=20 =20 Best regards, Kathleen =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:25:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5316312DAE5 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:25:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: 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2016 01:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F9E312D9D0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:27:54 +0200 Received: from [31.133.140.16] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000610489.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:27:53 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:27:53 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1009563b34=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.18.0.160709 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:27:49 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> Thread-Topic: =?UTF-8?B?562U5aSN?=: [96attendees] T-Shirts Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?UTF-8?B?562U5aSN?=: T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:28:06 -0000 This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it before each m= etting registration is open. In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and so on= . Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" Responder a: Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , "96attendees@ietf.= org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global standard). = So the simple solution is to add more data about the size than just "large"/= "small" in the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a = tag inside the t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm".=20 Jeff =20 -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 JOR= DI PALET MARTINEZ =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5 16:11 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts =20 Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the refere= nce to the sizes for that meeting. =20 I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it worked p= erfectly. =20 Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the registra= tion, they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from the = remaining available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right si= ze. =20 -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir Responder a: Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts =20 =20 On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: =20 > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register = and indicate the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the regis= tration order. Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as bette= r as we can? =20 At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the size I a= lways get. When I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I ask= ed for XL but the woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my si= ze, so that=E2=80=99s what she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever= got at an IETF meeting.=20 =20 Yoav =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:33:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027A612D9C1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:33:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tBBz3ZxoEnT0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3455A12D17A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:33:35 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:33 +0200 Received: from [31.133.140.16] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000610494.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:33 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:33 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1009563b34=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.18.0.160709 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:32 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: =?UTF-8?B?562U5aSN?=: [96attendees] T-Shirts References: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> In-Reply-To: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?UTF-8?B?562U5aSN?=: T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:33:38 -0000 When I say a web page, it can be a =E2=80=9Cpop up=E2=80=9D or something similar at the= registration when you choose the size of the t-shirt, even better if it sho= ws a graphic with where to take the measures in case you don=E2=80=99t know, etc. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: Jordi Palet Martinez Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:27 Para: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it before ea= ch metting registration is open. =20 In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and s= o on. =20 =20 Saludos, Jordi =20 =20 -----Mensaje original----- De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" Responder a: Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , "96attendees@i= etf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts =20 The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global standar= d). So the simple solution is to add more data about the size than just "lar= ge"/"small" in the registration procedure. For example, you can find there i= s a tag inside the t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm".=20 Jeff =20 -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8= JORDI PALET MARTINEZ =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5 16:11 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts =20 Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the re= ference to the sizes for that meeting. =20 I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it work= ed perfectly. =20 Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the regi= stration, they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from = the remaining available. I think is the fair think if others choose the righ= t size. =20 -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Ni= r Responder a: Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts =20 =20 On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: =20 > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that regis= ter and indicate the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the r= egistration order. Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as b= etter as we can? =20 At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the size= I always get. When I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I= asked for XL but the woman handing them out looked me over and said L was m= y size, so that=E2=80=99s what she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I = ever got at an IETF meeting.=20 =20 Yoav =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 =20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:35:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB4212B040 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vAUEbV9_soxB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4901C12B037 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.rfc1925.org (calcifer.labs.nic.cz [217.31.192.138]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C352A61ECB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:35:23 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1469003723; bh=zvbsIPGEVoGdpLwCkQeuZoUgstW++FKTgGxzLqnSE/U=; h=Date:From:To; b=l16GUICeILiMUF3mSKE8naNCbPnp2frXy8JOdp+zoiaMhO5fk3tN9jiY4UBmPDoAc ZokflS3+rauZX1Uc6nc62u3iDlTp/KE0zYbKKaJMyLKv27s0oNMVJqIu/ne9R94pC8 TWDViQwjlgFqSRHKkG2wCyq4xG5tYHlmKcaoEg5Q= Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:35:23 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_Sur=C3=BD?= To: 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <1595897867.5052.1469003723658.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> In-Reply-To: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> References: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [217.31.192.138] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1178 (ZimbraWebClient - GC51 (Linux)/8.6.0_GA_1178) Thread-Topic: =?UTF-8?B?562U5aSN?=: [96attendees] T-Shirts Thread-Index: Uib/wEadxHeq8n6bH4oMlb819mLaPA== X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgVC1TaGlydHM=?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:35:28 -0000 Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding... Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts handle this from now o= n instead of coming with yet another idea how to overengineer the thing tha= t a bonus? Do you remember we come here to work and meet, and not because = of the t-shirts, right? Cheers, -- Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow -------------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ -------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM > Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts > This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it befor= e each metting > registration is open. >=20 > In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and so = on. >=20 >=20 > Saludos, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" > Responder a: > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , "96attendees@iet= f.org" > <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts >=20 > The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global standard).= So the > simple solution is to add more data about the size than just "large"/"= small" in > the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a tag i= nside the > t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm". > Jeff > =20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@i= etf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6=97= =A5 16:11 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > =20 > Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the refer= ence to > the sizes for that meeting. > =20 > I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it worked = perfectly. > =20 > Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the registr= ation, > they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from the = remaining > available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right size. > =20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir > Responder a: > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > =20 > =20 > On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > wrote: > =20 > > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register= and indicate > > the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the regist= ration order. > > Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as better a= s we can? > =20 > At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the s= ize I always get. When > I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked for= XL but the > woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, so t= hat=E2=80=99s what > she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got at an = IETF meeting. > =20 > Yoav > =20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:37:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7562712B040 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pISxbOAZu8eM for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AA212B037 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.123.31.198] (h198.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.198]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2A1247694; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:36:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "=?utf-8?b?T25kxZllaiBTdXLDvQ==?=" Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:36:56 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1595897867.5052.1469003723658.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> References: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> <1595897867.5052.1469003723658.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_AD745A63-CACB-44A6-BEED-4190DFD740EE_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:36:58 -0000 --=_MailMate_AD745A63-CACB-44A6-BEED-4190DFD740EE_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 20 Jul 2016, at 10:35, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding... > > Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts handle this from > now on instead of coming with yet another idea how to overengineer the > thing that a bonus? Do you remember we come here to work and meet, > and not because of the t-shirts, right? +1. Marc. > > Cheers, > -- > Ondřej Surý -- Technical Fellow > -------------------------------------------- > CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laboratoře CZ.NIC > Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic > mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ > -------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" >> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [96attendees] 答复: T-Shirts > >> This is the web page I’m suggesting to create and modify it before >> each metting >> registration is open. >> >> In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and >> so on. >> >> >> Saludos, >> Jordi >> >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" >> Responder a: >> Fecha: miércoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 >> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , >> "96attendees@ietf.org" >> <96attendees@ietf.org> >> Asunto: 答复: [96attendees] T-Shirts >> >> The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global >> standard). So the >> simple solution is to add more data about the size than just >> "large"/"small" in >> the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a >> tag inside the >> t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm". >> Jeff >> >> -----邮件原件----- >> 发件人: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] >> 代表 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >> 发送时间: 2016年7月20日 16:11 >> 收件人: 96attendees@ietf.org >> 主题: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts >> >> Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the >> reference to >> the sizes for that meeting. >> >> I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it >> worked perfectly. >> >> Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the >> registration, >> they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from >> the remaining >> available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right >> size. >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav >> Nir >> Responder a: >> Fecha: miércoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 >> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez >> CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> >> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts >> >> >> On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >> >> wrote: >> >> > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that >> register and indicate >> > the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the >> registration order. >> > Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as >> better as we can? >> >> At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That’s the >> size I always get. When >> I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked >> for XL but the >> woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, >> so that’s what >> she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got at >> an IETF meeting. >> >> Yoav >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --=_MailMate_AD745A63-CACB-44A6-BEED-4190DFD740EE_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 20 Jul 2016, at 10:35, Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD wrote:

Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding...

Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts hand= le this from now on instead of coming with yet another idea how to overen= gineer the thing that a bonus? Do you remember we come here to work and = meet, and not because of the t-shirts, right?

+1. Marc.

Cheers,

Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow

CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC
Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic
mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz <= a href=3D"https://nic.cz/">https://nic.cz/

----- Original Message -----

From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" jordi.palet@consulintel.es
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM
Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts

This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and= modify it before each metting
registration is open.

In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men mean= s y x z, and so on.

Saludos,
Jordi

-----Mensaje original-----
De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" jeffre= y.he@huawei.com
Responder a: jeffrey.he@huawei.c= om
Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez = jordi.palet@consulintel.es, "= 96attendees@ietf.org"
96attendees@ietf.org
Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts

The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a glob= al standard). So the
simple solution is to add more data about the size than just "large"/"= small" in
the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a tag i= nside the
t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm".
Jeff

-----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8= =A1=A8 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5= 16:11
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 9= 6attendees@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts

Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, w= ith the reference to
the sizes for that meeting.

I did that already for several conferences I organized, a= nd it worked perfectly.

Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark i= n the registration,
they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from the = remaining
available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right size.<= /p>

-----Mensaje original-----
De: 96attendees 96atte= ndees-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de Yoav Nir
ynir.ietf@gmail.com Respond= er a: ynir.ietf@gmail.com
Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez jordi.palet@consulintel.es
CC: 96attendees@ietf.org Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts

   On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.=
palet@consulintel.es>
   wrote:

   > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register =
and indicate
   > the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the registr=
ation order.
   > Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as better as=
 we can?

   At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the size =
I always get. When
   I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked for XL =
but the
   woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, so that=E2=
=80=99s what
   she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got at an IETF=
 meeting.

   Yoav

   _______________________________________________
   96attendees mailing list
   96attendees@ietf.org
   https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees

96attendees mailing list
96attendees@ietf.org
https://= www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees

96attendees mailing list
96attendees@ietf.org
https://www= =2Eietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees

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96attendees@ietf.org
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OTZhdHRlbmRlZXMNCg0K From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:39:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4C8127078 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzLVNtfOoGdT for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.com (mail.consulintel.com [213.0.69.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 811F212DAEB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:30 -0700 (PDT) X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:39:29 +0200 Received: from [31.133.140.16] by mail.consulintel.com (MDaemon PRO v11.0.3) with ESMTP id md50000610500.msg for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:39:28 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.com, Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:39:28 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDOP-RefID: re=0.000,fgs=0 (_st=1 _vt=0 _iwf=0) X-Return-Path: prvs=1009563b34=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: 96attendees@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.18.0.160709 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:39:27 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] =?UTF-8?B?562U5aSN?=: T-Shirts Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?UTF-8?B?562U5aSN?=: T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:39:33 -0000 Well, when something is not being done correctly it seems the secretariat d= idn=E2=80=99t have those ideas, so they should welcome there. I agree that we are here for the meeting, but anything we can all contribut= e to improve every small detail, must be welcome. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD <= ondrej.sury@nic.cz> Responder a: Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:35 Para: <96attendees@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding... =20 Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts handle this from n= ow on instead of coming with yet another idea how to overengineer the thing = that a bonus? Do you remember we come here to work and meet, and not becaus= e of the t-shirts, right? =20 Cheers, -- Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow -------------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ -------------------------------------------- =20 ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM > Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts =20 > This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it before = each metting > registration is open. >=20 > In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and= so on. >=20 >=20 > Saludos, > Jordi >=20 >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" > Responder a: > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , "96attendees= @ietf.org" > <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts >=20 > The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global standa= rd). So the > simple solution is to add more data about the size than just "larg= e"/"small" in > the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a t= ag inside the > t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm". > Jeff > =20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5 16:11 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > =20 > Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the r= eference to > the sizes for that meeting. > =20 > I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it wor= ked perfectly. > =20 > Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the reg= istration, > they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from = the remaining > available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right si= ze. > =20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav N= ir > Responder a: > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > =20 > =20 > On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > wrote: > =20 > > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that regi= ster and indicate > > the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the re= gistration order. > > Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as bett= er as we can? > =20 > At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the siz= e I always get. When > I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked= for XL but the > woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, = so that=E2=80=99s what > she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got at= an IETF meeting. > =20 > Yoav > =20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees =20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:39:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918A012D0B8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oID0wuLpsKzt for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x22f.google.com (mail-lf0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D061127078 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id l69so33131803lfg.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=LzqIGt+LCM5Ux3n+VgVdU3eTlaW7HfLS7PnxJCvW6wc=; b=Rsc2knF0PIvpJ1vKlzv5dEPRc0KjxdAxULXjSipqFQsZHDgN44Vwfd1KwKfWR6yUdV YflwToSMQ1foOo1nRAzrvvAoX+1V+vLoG04jJlqRpinHlKIoCImf7TgpJ9+XSXaOzp7S asgimlc1Lz6wEni3Rg0OhPM8XRI5AiOwZbGdFIsCRt204hu4lxAcU8TJW4N8hUrj664r TsnPVYzBiwiPKJjSGe8UOEOfGZbKwCNl/Pqd94+/hImboR9EHIsoIzGcOlmIGrQktmCI esmEL8Lz8oNFUwvV+jSk8C7Bt+Ae3zN/wSKmWq8lpP574kmshDbCppBhm6Lhz7wul/C5 RuAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=LzqIGt+LCM5Ux3n+VgVdU3eTlaW7HfLS7PnxJCvW6wc=; b=REyPYi4pbYRLIhiTkbyxDxNbSXpv9jNiO7YUEpgISxo0o1chbM7pOJ9rEhsBbHlpZa uEsqfOOZXxDnfRrSnmMLJoAZGbxBxKRTxBNZgvXzfbmilcVo1XBL7MjvGVRLRKhPIFht H/j5JdS92zjQscYv/qj/pS2OgYAKL0SAwUQaRWVK9f2a9hKbILydNK7B25/JQYhvWoY0 HCWdloS6VZEti5YNIXYxylencx4LODdTd8cZbIidXlD719RNE9SOKyeBSsQ02ruKqEuQ zKyUYfu58X/CThFmawn2T4G7F2nO+dWweVveVQmz1QnHOhbnJBfEgUqY0BnkcS9iNR8p 62Hw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJ+yegFJ9THb4jpU1YdVxA6u8EQTD3RgO9GW425vw3eWXQpsEQlkZ3JW6mlqCs00UJAoEjwj/JD5JykAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.152.135 with SMTP id a129mr18352426lfe.226.1469003982729; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.217.219 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.217.219 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:39:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1595897867.5052.1469003723658.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> References: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> <1595897867.5052.1469003723658.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:39:42 +0200 Message-ID: From: Ted Lemon To: =?UTF-8?B?T25kxZllaiBTdXLDvQ==?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114035e290856005380d247c Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBULVNoaXJ0cw==?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:39:52 -0000 --001a114035e290856005380d247c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What? You don't want an RFC on t shirt sizes? :) On Jul 20, 2016 10:35, "Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD" wrote: > Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding... > > Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts handle this from now > on instead of coming with yet another idea how to overengineer the thing > that a bonus? Do you remember we come here to work and meet, and not > because of the t-shirts, right? > > Cheers, > -- > Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow > -------------------------------------------- > CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC > Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic > mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ > -------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" > > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts > > > This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it bef= ore each > metting > > registration is open. > > > > In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and s= o > on. > > > > > > Saludos, > > Jordi > > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" > > Responder a: > > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 > > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , " > 96attendees@ietf.org" > > <96attendees@ietf.org> > > Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts > > > > The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global > standard). So the > > simple solution is to add more data about the size than just > "large"/"small" in > > the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a tag > inside the > > t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm". > > Jeff > > > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces= @ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 JORDI > PALET MARTINEZ > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6= =97=A5 16:11 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > > > > Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the > reference to > > the sizes for that meeting. > > > > I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it worke= d > perfectly. > > > > Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the > registration, > > they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from th= e > remaining > > available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right size= . > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir > > Responder a: > > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 > > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez > > CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> > > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts > > > > > > On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < > jordi.palet@consulintel.es> > > wrote: > > > > > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that > register and indicate > > > the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the > registration order. > > > Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as better > as we can? > > > > At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the= size I > always get. When > > I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked > for XL but the > > woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, so > that=E2=80=99s what > > she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got at a= n > IETF meeting. > > > > Yoav > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114035e290856005380d247c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What? You don't want an RFC on t shirt sizes?
:)


On Jul 20, 2016 1= 0:35, "Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD" <ondrej.sury@nic.cz> wrote:
Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding...

Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts handle this from now o= n instead of coming with yet another idea how to overengineer the thing tha= t a bonus?=C2=A0 Do you remember we come here to work and meet, and not bec= ause of the t-shirts, right?

Cheers,
--
=C2=A0Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow
=C2=A0--------------------------------------------
=C2=A0CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Laborato=C5=99e C= Z.NIC
=C2=A0Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic
=C2=A0mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://nic.cz/
=C2=A0--------------------------------------------

----- Original Message -----
> From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D:=C2=A0 T-Shirts

> This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it be= fore each metting
> registration is open.
>
> In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and = so on.
>
>
> Saludos,
> Jordi
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" <jeffrey.he@huawei.com>
> Responder a: <jeffrey.he@h= uawei.com>
> Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25
> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>, "96attendees@ietf.org"
> <96attendees@ietf.org&g= t;
> Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a glob= al standard). So the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 simple solution is to add more data about the size than j= ust "large"/"small" in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the registration procedure. For example, you can find the= re is a tag inside the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm&qu= ot;.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeff
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6= =9C=8820=E6=97=A5 16:11
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, w= ith the reference to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the sizes for that meeting.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I did that already for several conferences I organized, a= nd it worked perfectly.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark i= n the registration,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the s= ize from the remaining
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 available. I think is the fair think if others choose the= right size.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -----Mensaje original-----
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <ynir.ietf@gmai= l.com> Responder a: <ynir.= ietf@gmail.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CC: <96attende= es@ietf.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MAR= TINEZ <jordi.palet@consuli= ntel.es>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR tha= t the people that register and indicate
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the size, get that size reserved and h= ave priority in the registration order.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Why not simply doing that, in addition= to plan ahead as better as we can?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 At registration I indicated my size to be X= L. That=E2=80=99s the size I always get. When
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I got to the table where they distribute th= e T-shirts, I asked for XL but the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 woman handing them out looked me over and s= aid L was my size, so that=E2=80=99s what
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 she gave me. This shirt is still the bigges= t one I ever got at an IETF meeting.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yoav
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ___________________________________________= ____
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 96attendees mailing list
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 96a= ttendees@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.or= g/mailman/listinfo/96attendees
>
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 96attendees mailing list
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 96attendees@ietf.= org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list= info/96attendees
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 96attendees mailing list
> 96attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attend= ees

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To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <1468401571.S.13788.514.pro-236-98.1468402019.16442@webmail.rediffmail.com> <7f6116e8-ce70-33ca-6c7e-955f0e0c4962@mediaarea.net> <7DBCB5BC-5F28-46F2-9CA2-3F42AD3BB0C4@edvina.net> <7371c22d-c055-82a4-49ef-ef7681c08ca5@mediaarea.net> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <68c5046d-53b5-09ec-a790-0020d036a4b6@cea.fr> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:42:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7371c22d-c055-82a4-49ef-ef7681c08ca5@mediaarea.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms080505000209020901020209" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF Berlin registration, VAT and non-profit organizations X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:43:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080505000209020901020209 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AAE43D1F6DEF7562A612D3B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AAE43D1F6DEF7562A612D3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should I request anything from the IETF Registration Desk now while I am = in Berlin? (like a VAT proof or such, to be used later in the=20 reimbursement process). Yours, Alexandre Petrescu, Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS, CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223. Le 13/07/2016 =E0 13:45, Jerome Martinez a =E9crit : > Le 13/07/2016 =E0 13:38, Olle E. Johansson a =E9crit : >> [...] >> That=92s the default, but does NOT apply to conferences, music concert= s=20 >> and similar events where the service >> is produced locally and consumed locally, it=92s not exported. I=92ve = had=20 >> numerous discussions with VAT authorities >> in multiple countries about that, as it unfortunately applies to my=20 >> trainings as well. > > Thanks for the explanation, now I understand better the difference=20 > between what I use to see (it is exported) and IETF VAT. I actually=20 > didn't get it because I pay it from my country (I pay restaurant and=20 > so on locally). > I guess it should be added to the VAT FAQ so people don't try anymore=20 > to understand the reason they are billed the VAT and don't use to be=20 > billed the VAT when they pay from their country (before going to the=20 > conference) > > So great, more paperwork and more money for the accountant. > >> >> For an IETF conference you have to pay the local VAT, and then=20 >> reclaim it in the EU country you live in. >> >> Yes, this is bad for everyone. >> >> /O >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --------------AAE43D1F6DEF7562A612D3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Should I request anything from the IETF Registration Desk now while I am in Berlin?=A0 (like a VAT proof or such, to be used later in the reimbursement process).

Yours,<= br> 

Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223.
Le 13/07/2016 =E0 13:45, Jerome Martin= ez a =E9crit=A0:
Le 13/07/2016 =E0 13:38, Olle E. Johansson a =E9crit = :
[...]
That=92s the default, but does NOT apply to conferences, music concerts and similar events where the service
is produced locally and consumed locally, it=92s not exported. I=92ve had numerous discussions with VAT authorities
in multiple countries about that, as it unfortunately applies to my trainings as well.

Thanks for the explanation, now I understand better the difference between what I use to see (it is exported) and IETF VAT. I actually didn't get it because I pay it from my country (I pay restaurant and so on locally).
I guess it should be added to the VAT FAQ so people don't try anymore to understand the reason they are billed the VAT and don't use to be billed the VAT when they pay from their country (before going to the conference)

So great, more paperwork and more money for the accountant.


For an IETF conference you have to pay the local VAT, and then reclaim it in the EU country you live in.

Yes, this is bad for everyone.

/O
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X-Originating-IP: [217.31.192.138] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1178 (ZimbraWebClient - GC51 (Linux)/8.6.0_GA_1178) Thread-Topic: T-Shirts Thread-Index: fznELLdhEwIAbxgjhd3tsM6SLyMr/A== X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBULVNoaXJ0cw==?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:44:20 -0000 I certainly do, but could we make it an April 1st RFC, please? :) -- Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow -------------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ -------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Lemon" > To: "Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD" > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:39:42 AM > Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts > What? You don't want an RFC on t shirt sizes? > :) >=20 > On Jul 20, 2016 10:35, "Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD" wrote= : >=20 >> Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding... >> >> Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts handle this from no= w >> on instead of coming with yet another idea how to overengineer the thing >> that a bonus? Do you remember we come here to work and meet, and not >> because of the t-shirts, right? >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow >> -------------------------------------------- >> CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC >> Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic >> mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ >> -------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" >> > To: 96attendees@ietf.org >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM >> > Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts >> >> > This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it be= fore each >> metting >> > registration is open. >> > >> > In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and = so >> on. >> > >> > >> > Saludos, >> > Jordi >> > >> > >> > -----Mensaje original----- >> > De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" >> > Responder a: >> > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 >> > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , " >> 96attendees@ietf.org" >> > <96attendees@ietf.org> >> > Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts >> > >> > The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global >> standard). So the >> > simple solution is to add more data about the size than just >> "large"/"small" in >> > the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a ta= g >> inside the >> > t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm". >> > Jeff >> > >> > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- >> > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounce= s@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 JORDI >> PALET MARTINEZ >> > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6= =97=A5 16:11 >> > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org >> > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts >> > >> > Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the >> reference to >> > the sizes for that meeting. >> > >> > I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it work= ed >> perfectly. >> > >> > Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the >> registration, >> > they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from t= he >> remaining >> > available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right siz= e. >> > >> > -----Mensaje original----- >> > De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Ni= r >> > Responder a: >> > Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 >> > Para: Jordi Palet Martinez >> > CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> >> > Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts >> > >> > >> > On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < >> jordi.palet@consulintel.es> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that >> register and indicate >> > > the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the >> registration order. >> > > Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as bette= r >> as we can? >> > >> > At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s th= e size I >> always get. When >> > I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked >> for XL but the >> > woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, s= o >> that=E2=80=99s what >> > she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got at = an >> IETF meeting. >> > >> > Yoav >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > 96attendees mailing list >> > 96attendees@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > 96attendees mailing list >> > 96attendees@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > 96attendees mailing list >> > 96attendees@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:46:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1073512D0CD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gz4I7TDUjE_2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A09A12D0B8 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id x25so22705051qtx.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=mbNK+uukY2BndQpXN3sTrf1byBm3XV2E5zgFyCAaawA=; b=yRt14QkOhq677/lan9QFTYVtILoXqgJGi/DWr5F7s2AHsM/WXnVStQIh86rmACeXf0 szEfg9ml1gmXlgUZdAgz2G10oFLTIbWLseXDAGDetIIq+ItzKWv96PzThiJ85sk/oXoM Zc2+z4YgiWDITPDLo8GhhOmeU8wmKv9gmjLoxkZHEkhq9duND7NEQXkdXlbvWZB/O9Hj scxFEUMzHWwM6LDod5rpwKdQw2KOujUkThHX163oJQgNoInhUHdJqNBPn6EVrIWniblF EFJJ04ytl4Y6qnqHJH8QDq/RSzeHUNN2yW0hQOoCnnYuNaloefZUqGUAHBqZl1yB6uKd tdzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=mbNK+uukY2BndQpXN3sTrf1byBm3XV2E5zgFyCAaawA=; b=AEMQJANSUGPdIiEtan1nsacmzJiPdgZl8SArGcoZfPLrlRp4cyYXUU12rqzbLCQibF yUgYwyAS7DWIHg0Av3TLgaVgFNEGhXkdohcgVYdz2McAibFzv9yK06yUeSsegwEoWu+B wpfOyT5Lt2d6ngAqcz7CZySC/61aCm7ZtKCOkGkR89KSoSJN1JUQ3htoiQEfm7vfDvWi T8y1neUWKCfIcKij0EDoJhm80DAIV8INdcltuiPhg3xD79m+TXM2nLvpSFEfnJEZp80K sFM5oVz7Zb8ZFbzJkpMe8GZ1bHx05Eu9BvHjdvfhOGoYf8w9zObDe8O6Ezhr/gjgUgAf 8C+w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKdulzQQRm4JwFNCHOG6PZfKVr15V0qQGPWcUb1Sah4TNiRcXdNhqG1JeKgB19/VCVf6zoQWETgJOnQnza/ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.237.52.225 with SMTP id x88mr64537708qtd.24.1469004396424; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.176.199 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:46:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:46:36 +0200 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: "Marco Davids (SIDN)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0925a6390c3105380d3d9a Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:46:41 -0000 --94eb2c0925a6390c3105380d3d9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These are (NOC run) user experience probes -- they allow us to see how the wireless is working from the user's standpoint, and so try resolve issues before they affect users... >From Jims negation info email: "Additionally, as we started experimenting with in Buenos Aires, we=E2=80= =99ve strategically deployed a number of user experience probes throughout the meeting space, both from NetBeez and v6Sonar. The probes are designed to gather throughput data "as if" they were users. They run various processes including pings, http requests, traceroutes, and DNS queries. They collect no data about other users, personal or otherwise. If you see these, please don=E2=80=99t disturb them as they=E2=80=99re doing important work to help = us monitor and improve the network experience here at IETF96." On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Marco Davids (SIDN) wrote: > Anyone knows what's in these mysterious blue baskets that are fixed with > duct tape behind the chairs here and there? > > -- > Marco > > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --94eb2c0925a6390c3105380d3d9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
These are (NOC run) user experience probes -- they allow us to see how= the wireless is working from the user's standpoint, and so try resolve= issues before they affect users...=C2=A0
From Jims negation info= email:

"Additionally, as we started exper= imenting with in Buenos Aires, we=E2=80=99ve strategically deployed a numbe= r of user experience probes throughout the meeting space, both from NetBeez= and v6Sonar. The probes are designed to gather throughput data "as if= " they were users. They run various processes including pings, http re= quests, traceroutes, and DNS queries. They collect no data about other user= s, personal or otherwise. If you see these, please don=E2=80=99t disturb th= em as they=E2=80=99re doing important work to help us monitor and improve t= he network experience here at IETF96."

On Wednesday, July 20, 201= 6, Marco Davids (SIDN) <marco.da= vids@sidn.nl> wrote:
Anyone knows = what's in these mysterious blue baskets that are fixed with
duct tape behind the chairs here and there?

--
Marco



--
I don't think the execution is releva= nt when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like put= ting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having cho= sen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= ---maf
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Yesterday I visited the Berlin Boulder Proj= ect.=C2=A0 (http://www.boulder-p= roject.de/).

It's a 10-minute walk from the Sudkreuz t= rain station, and somewhat buried in a repurposed industrial area, as these= gyms often are.=C2=A0 9 euros; they'll rent the climbing shoes if you = don't have a pair (I dragged my shoes and chalkbag along on this trip).=

Plenty of wallspace, good music to keep you psyched, indoor A= ND outdoor areas.=C2=A0 More than enough problems to get you pumped or spit= you off the wall.=C2=A0 ;^)

Walter


Walter Pienciak
Senior Manag= er, Strategic Programs, IEEE Standards Association

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--001a113d6c00697d9005380d3e6b-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:47:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B0312D0B3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:47:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1IYvevjoaBFg for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C4F512B037 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id m101so41624486ioi.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:47:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R6tXraPllFIVeMYpq3fDVgpdDTZBZOcxDksTXxDrP4s=; b=uSW9eaRDkF/VNgv5Q9xzWEe2CtCGEBXMWJhwO9CJaLo8qxRp4ZjB8QK19zySdg0rRO 2P/nRWKN+Dfuh9Zd+3fbbVrpl2Uzfus8aIYCQ6hHFkxtb7hj1jfDvEwCHJqJXsAvBPnO Zx5M/vXT020sFBX8JNihvzmIEzv/IlER2euGWT46mkXReq5DytjWt/ydlut9wF4TsXUS FnjdqEkrPbc2uD31d9SmvNDmCQhGEOGOZTx6cy0TK2K1EWmX57L6ToIfhDJ2V3xzgsvQ Ltpu/xDjAFxZ2c2/yECwmQz93Y0EW1h5H6WIR8zT5e/ERBNsSehh2IJHmPMa4VRLHub8 nOkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R6tXraPllFIVeMYpq3fDVgpdDTZBZOcxDksTXxDrP4s=; b=HJTwq6A6+5ZfQdwNBIkDHnU7ze+y5JB/b0++c5tuMACYf7aHwkofmy65O+bnruyJ+T PTR7zqdUG/9mCRXkfh4cxQ2rZvA4STnflVO3Wu1pD3JmzbnEZCigszT+pfn3m2mpsdKy c63ORC6Y4oF3D61+RFiJOI+FYec+es39C9g0lkqt3EmIQeXBDSXP3Yr3PzzpJsSLJx3P oLoHoqr6xSo1paDLfHtn44eYyOuhZQ+2IsSUBGCLvrVb9AQ1WdBK4+M9AbI880atO6nz cIGG+Sij0a7cP0KWV3FMQw5ib8qRDFbbZfDLFQh/+fVrvB8xzIlfPYNiNBPJcyzB8WdJ wTJw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIKEzrqawlb4e2r44vbbmzJChhAsY5KTFapyV54BxGPz0IID/hA2yast8GxEZ5THacU7CTVtfFwkfBs+Q== X-Received: by 10.107.8.94 with SMTP id 91mr29315512ioi.86.1469004466676; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:47:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.14.17 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:47:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:47:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: Warren Kumari Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Marco Davids \(SIDN\)" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:47:50 -0000 Heh. I'd love it if they also periodically did a latency under load test (try flent.org's rrul_be test). On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:46 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > These are (NOC run) user experience probes -- they allow us to see how th= e > wireless is working from the user's standpoint, and so try resolve issues > before they affect users... > From Jims negation info email: > > "Additionally, as we started experimenting with in Buenos Aires, we=E2=80= =99ve > strategically deployed a number of user experience probes throughout the > meeting space, both from NetBeez and v6Sonar. The probes are designed to > gather throughput data "as if" they were users. They run various processe= s > including pings, http requests, traceroutes, and DNS queries. They collec= t > no data about other users, personal or otherwise. If you see these, pleas= e > don=E2=80=99t disturb them as they=E2=80=99re doing important work to hel= p us monitor and > improve the network experience here at IETF96." > > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Marco Davids (SIDN) > wrote: >> >> Anyone knows what's in these mysterious blue baskets that are fixed with >> duct tape behind the chairs here and there? >> >> -- >> Marco >> > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea = in > the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:53:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A9812B037 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.186 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eX-YCrmW3ZZP for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C35112D185 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nene.ripe.net ([193.0.23.10]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bPnEc-0009Lz-M5; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:52:07 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=[IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:5009::53]) by nene.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1bPnEc-0001zK-EE; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:52:06 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AD5584B6-43A8-4AAB-AADF-939380D9194B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Nathalie Trenaman In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:52:05 +0200 Message-Id: References: <20160719081608.GB45860@shrubbery.net> To: Michal Krsek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -10.7 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-RIPE-Signature: b23882c8c47abee4cf35af21618ca92a0e2fc5fb8b99474c69b553730b2b6b8e Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] RIPE probes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:53:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AD5584B6-43A8-4AAB-AADF-939380D9194B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I still have 5 Atlas probes to hand out. I will be around the fussball = tables from 13:30 - 14:00 today if you want to pick one up. Nathalie K=C3=BCnneke-Trenaman IPv6 Program Manager RIPE NCC=20 > On 19 Jul 2016, at 12:52, Michal Krsek wrote: >=20 > Hi, > I'm bringing five RIPE Atlas probes with me https://atlas.ripe.net/ >=20 > Will be at the venue till aroud 5pm, please send me e-mail if you want = to host one. >=20 > Overseas pariticipants preferable. >=20 > With kind regards > Michal Krsek >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_AD5584B6-43A8-4AAB-AADF-939380D9194B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I still have 5 Atlas probes to hand out. I = will be around the fussball tables from 13:30 - 14:00 today if you want = to pick one up.

Nathalie = K=C3=BCnneke-Trenaman
IPv6 Program Manager
RIPE NCC 


On 19 Jul 2016, at 12:52, Michal Krsek <michal@krsek.cz> = wrote:

Hi,
I'm bringing five RIPE Atlas probes with me = https://atlas.ripe.net/

Will = be at the venue till aroud 5pm, please send me e-mail if you want to = host one.

Overseas pariticipants = preferable.

=             &n= bsp;  With kind regards
=             &n= bsp;          Michal = Krsek

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A woman’s black sweater, was found at the social event, laying on a= chair in the sit-down eating area at the social.=C2=A0 There was a lanyard with= it but no name badge.

It has been turned into the Secretariat.=C2=A0 If you are miss= ing this item, please check-in with them.

 

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--Michelle

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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D8E07@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Berlin swim: Olympic Swim stadium X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:20:39 -0000 On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 07:55:48AM +0000, Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi, > > I went swimming at the Olympic Swim stadium this morning. Very easy to get to with the U2 line (about a 10 minute walk on a marked path from the Olympic Stadium U-bahn station). > > Eventhough the whole 50 m pool was open, they only had 2 dedicated lap swim lanes, and they weren't very well policed, but for my speed it was ok. > > You need a lock (can be purchased in the ticket booth) if you want to put your stuff in a locker (there are also small 1 EUR storage boxes for wallets and other small things). However, me (and many others) just left the bag, towel etc on a bench next to the pool. > I went there on Sunday and I highly recommend, This is the swimming pool of the 1936 Olympics. The architecture of the place is totally preserved but the pool received an amazing retrofit and is totally covered with stainless steel sheets! Monday I went to the Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE), taking the 200 bus line in front of the hotel is a 20 min ride plus 5 min walk. Very nice 50m training pool on a hall with wood ceiling. Opens 6:30 every day. Today I went to the Stadtbad Tiergarten, 50m pool as well, you take the 187 bus at Klingelhferstrae, only 4 stops and more 5 min walk. Open Friday 6:30am as well. I little bit crowded but all the people on my lane had very good lane discipline. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The survey temporarily hit a resource limit on responses for a free account= . I've upgraded it to permit up to 1k responses. Per feedback from various people, I've also added another entry in the thir= d question: Was given smaller size by staff handing out shirt without requesting it. Note that the survey permits you to update your answers. Right now there's approximately 100 responses out of over 1300 or so attend= ees. I'd appreciate it if you prodded your colleagues to take a moment to = respond to the survey, even if they don't normally follow the attendees lis= t. It'd be great to hit at least a 30% sample rate. -- Jeff On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Jeff Haas > wrote: As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", as the responsible party for the = host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shirt order, I'd like to gather some = data as to how your experience worked for this IETF's t-shirt. This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the following URL: https://w= ww.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F The answers to the three questions in the survey will be used to help futur= e hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more informed decisions when pla= cing t-shirt orders. Thanks for your participation. -- Jeff (for the host group) --_000_0D2215CB23734110AADCB9A12CB52A8Ejunipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The survey temporarily hit a resource limit on responses for a free account= .  I've upgraded it to permit up to 1k responses.

Per feedback from various people, I've also added another e= ntry in the third question:
Was given smaller size by staff handing out shirt without r= equesting it.

Note that the survey permits you to update your answers.

Right now there's approximately 100 responses out of over 1= 300 or so attendees.  I'd appreciate it if you prodded your colleagues= to take a moment to respond to the survey, even if they don't normally fol= low the attendees list.  It'd be great to hit at least a 30% sample rate. 

-- Jeff

On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:

As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", as the responsible part= y for the host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shirt order, I'd like to ga= ther some data as to how your experience worked for this IETF's t-shirt. &n= bsp;

This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the followin= g URL: h= ttps://www.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F

The answers to the three questions in the survey will be us= ed to help future hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more informed de= cisions when placing t-shirt orders.

Thanks for your participation.

-- Jeff (for the host group)


--_000_0D2215CB23734110AADCB9A12CB52A8Ejunipernet_-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 02:31:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8A712B01C for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:31:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sLQljevvDObD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AEA1128E18 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79936d0000030e4-05-578f44d46ca5 Received: from ESESSHC009.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.45]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 3D.29.12516.4D44F875; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.208]) by ESESSHC009.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.45]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:30:59 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Frederico A C Neves Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Berlin swim: Olympic Swim stadium Thread-Index: AdHiXCO6R/CBb87oSfWTOfB4bva5Qf//9iCA///c3MA= Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:31:00 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476DA52F@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D8E07@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <20160720092033.GK24333@registro.br> In-Reply-To: <20160720092033.GK24333@registro.br> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.154] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpjkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbFdV/eKS3+4we4mNYu9U5uYLC6ePsHk wOSxZMlPJo9j19azBTBFcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGWsn7+IpeA6a8WLFx9ZGxh3snQxcnJICJhI LL79hRXCFpO4cG89WxcjF4eQwBFGiT1XZkE5SxglPk45CFTFwcEmYCHR/U8bpEFEQEfi0NnJ jCA2s4C6xK+Xk8AGCQvYSKz+epkVosZWYuqN/WCtIgJWEhc7wkDCLAKqElsPb2cHsXkFfCVm 3F7GBGILCZRIXDjyCaycU8BQYlZvCkiYEei076fWMEFsEpe49WQ+E8TJAhJL9pxnhrBFJV4+ /gf1ipLEotufoep1JBbs/sQGYWtLLFv4mhliraDEyZlPWCYwis1CMnYWkpZZSFpmIWlZwMiy ilG0OLW4ODfdyFgvtSgzubg4P08vL7VkEyMwdg5u+a27g3H1a8dDjAIcjEo8vAq3+8KFWBPL iitzDzFKcDArifCqOPeHC/GmJFZWpRblxxeV5qQWH2KU5mBREuf1f6kYLiSQnliSmp2aWpBa BJNl4uCUamCc6qAuf3v+gUmhtVqGe2f4cG1p37Li94vl3X3PjBXWat7OzJyqeE2hjv+17zTL mIYVZ3/Iij7sYs8pTurfn/ztnKR20ZLphWt/e79T+XaWnY077nnnvv8ixd6bt1jectTbtX69 /sWv6y971tXcnqS+yMFjAfOVhZXn+Dew9N+rKQpe8iQ44N4PJZbijERDLeai4kQAHbPRX5kC AAA= Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Berlin swim: Olympic Swim stadium X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:31:04 -0000 Hi, >I went there on Sunday and I highly recommend, This is the swimming pool o= f the 1936 Olympics. The >architecture of the place is totally preserved bu= t the pool received an amazing retrofit and is totally >covered with stainl= ess steel sheets! The usage of stainless steel is quite common in central Europe, afaik. From= a hygiene perspective it's also supposed to be better than e.g. usage of t= iles. >Monday I went to the Schwimm- und Sprunghalle im Europasportpark (SSE), ta= king the 200 bus line in >front of the hotel is a 20 min ride plus 5 min wa= lk. Very nice 50m training pool on a hall with wood >ceiling. Opens 6:30 ev= ery day. I plan to do SSE tomorrow :) Regards, Christer From nobody Wed Jul 20 02:46:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D332D12D155 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:46:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cSn2RVWBTfjT for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5AE512D096 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.rfc1925.org (calcifer.labs.nic.cz [217.31.192.138]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE9261ED7; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:46:45 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1469008005; bh=q6YKHswrmCNc0X9jCx0uHckTZNXFXMYWQIa+U7zWnog=; h=Date:From:To; b=wsTd8DISZADTk4F0iWLUNKtEhLPL0vNaWy9MDGEuAdaRxwVqHdEPi6g37D23IHEdh JDc2wMezoIIPh4n4+ndDMAZe+c1Y5qL0WfnnB4slYGc5exkxXHDJimVOpeYJKcayKg Jp3aY1IWedA3wBggPMN3EqG2awCKZc/9lWdam2Ew= Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:46:45 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_Sur=C3=BD?= To: Jeff Haas Message-ID: <784955571.5203.1469008005345.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> In-Reply-To: <7387DAA5-66B8-419F-9237-E2539D7E7998@juniper.net> References: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> <1595897867.5052.1469003723658.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> <7387DAA5-66B8-419F-9237-E2539D7E7998@juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [217.31.192.138] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1178 (ZimbraWebClient - GC51 (Linux)/8.6.0_GA_1178) Thread-Topic: =?utf-8?B?Wzk2YXR0ZW5kZWVzXSDnrZTlpI06ICBULVNoaXJ0cw==?= Thread-Index: AQHR4mKNHNdUxH2MrkOpuB6M91rh1ef4C6r6 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgVC1TaGlydHM=?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:46:51 -0000 Here's piece of collective wisdom, give your non-fitting IETF T-Shirt a new= life: http://imgur.com/a/7cQDC Credits goes to my wife :) O. -- Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow -------------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ -------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Haas" > To: "Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD" > Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:41:48 AM > Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts > Speaking as the responsible party from the current meeting's host, there = was > insufficient data and guidance. And I'm quite happy to collect useful wi= sdom > to pass into the process for the next time. >=20 > I'm certainly not suggesting this get published as an RFC. >=20 > Not to mention I also prefer well fitting shirts. :-) >=20 > -- Jeff >=20 >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD = wrote: >>=20 >> Folks, bikeshedding, bikeshedding... >>=20 >> Could we simply let the secretariat and future hosts handle this from no= w on >> instead of coming with yet another idea how to overengineer the thing th= at a >> bonus? Do you remember we come here to work and meet, and not because o= f the >> t-shirts, right? >>=20 >> Cheers, >> -- >> Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow >> -------------------------------------------- >> CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC >> Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic >> mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ >> -------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" >>> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:27:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [96attendees] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: T-Shirts >>=20 >>> This is the web page I=E2=80=99m suggesting to create and modify it bef= ore each metting >>> registration is open. >>>=20 >>> In this page you say size S women means x y z, S men means y x z, and s= o on. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Saludos, >>> Jordi >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Mensaje original----- >>> De: "Hejianfei (Jeffrey)" >>> Responder a: >>> Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 10:25 >>> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez , "96attendees@i= etf.org" >>> <96attendees@ietf.org> >>> Asunto: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [96attendees] T-Shirts >>>=20 >>> The problem starts from the ambiguous size(lack of a global standard)= . So the >>> simple solution is to add more data about the size than just "large"/= "small" in >>> the registration procedure. For example, you can find there is a tag = inside the >>> t-shirt from this meeting: "to fit chest xx/yy cm". >>> Jeff >>>=20 >>> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- >>> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@= ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >>> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8820=E6=97= =A5 16:11 >>> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 96attendees@ietf.org >>> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts >>>=20 >>> Then create a web page BEFORE the registration is open, with the refe= rence to >>> the sizes for that meeting. >>>=20 >>> I did that already for several conferences I organized, and it worked= perfectly. >>>=20 >>> Otherwise, if you make a mistake with the size you mark in the regist= ration, >>> they you go to the back of the queue for picking up the size from the= remaining >>> available. I think is the fair think if others choose the right size. >>>=20 >>> -----Mensaje original----- >>> De: 96attendees <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Yoav Nir >>> Responder a: >>> Fecha: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 20 de julio de 2016, 9:46 >>> Para: Jordi Palet Martinez >>> CC: <96attendees@ietf.org> >>> Asunto: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 9:01 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> It will be MUCH MORE EASY AND FAIR that the people that register and i= ndicate >>>> the size, get that size reserved and have priority in the registration= order. >>>> Why not simply doing that, in addition to plan ahead as better as we c= an? >>>=20 >>> At registration I indicated my size to be XL. That=E2=80=99s the = size I always get. When >>> I got to the table where they distribute the T-shirts, I asked fo= r XL but the >>> woman handing them out looked me over and said L was my size, so = that=E2=80=99s what >>> she gave me. This shirt is still the biggest one I ever got at an= IETF meeting. >>>=20 >>> Yoav >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 20 03:33:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966B812D95D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uiwyd9X0sKuZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 292A612D5B1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id i5so61887072wmg.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:33:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=wOYVUwY1WNEhwsstQW8xQeh1pYj0zs0hxkfNkUXIqfA=; b=hiH1CIL9Emp7gsKve1ur+IGUyjLM+5u+9AIT2AROjVkryfulbCaQlyi3Cw84R7Y/n/ xwGTAcSwNxFI4/HGn2Yg3R2rcjFjwqZiTUwQTMQlGWldPVtRpbrHOTWTEYoJtFiKDlF/ d8yxZpmCb4d4t4sVKhPlSYWGedVjmu7oDJIZVCYJUWxfm7pMp9IfR20wYSXAzy0yuEw4 XQoksR6g70OYumc3+b2hxJOtsjC6vA5xBK53vj2t/1J5AoXoFtsPFH/8C0/QFLToTisN wEOR0G4gO0WSVJBUnwjzBwoFa1iMIffaZZu2+vAk3WhV4Xj85tZDoE7J6dmtnMbin7Du IeYg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wOYVUwY1WNEhwsstQW8xQeh1pYj0zs0hxkfNkUXIqfA=; b=RT8lyH+vCFlICQGki2c/dMsqCvvdYoGA5mGsaf4KK25FsOM/2hCdUoMnObT2taqyOT gR+j46T6z943DbSKmT/nr5lA14Cd3ZG6SzBPNUGMi0YfgKy3it4IQ5UZCc6Af7wC/qoz pzfqwFW5Pr+OAtxMBPKqnQ4hg/NXNr8z2/O22yKaiopmr92YS3mqrmZft5UicUErxDB0 ot9UoVTZuwLf0NQM7mnq4iS06/Xpv6SZu3mQQ0Sirz3gegFUHf4apykUNQlj8jjPQa0z m48oVI3ef+akKRwJv6wBrgN00ZMSZKUa3+S19WOEEezET9NcEhRchY/JraMlkoFFdsq0 Z9LA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI5mmzMQ63W3XZrcyIwgV0CxNnm/bslEYA4t+jAsDGW+PT3ei9M4NCKmFwnltBOyeWLHsnSZZZXngfJyA== X-Received: by 10.28.185.202 with SMTP id j193mr11113353wmf.78.1469010799668; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:33:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: cattekwaad@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.233.200 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:33:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Corinne Cath Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:33:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0vHUzSWj9XOL76-33XfV-pzqv3U Message-ID: To: Walter Pienciak Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148ef26e2b92b05380eba4e Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: [96attendees] Bouldering in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:27 -0000 --001a1148ef26e2b92b05380eba4e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for sharing! That sounds like an excellent game plan for Friday afternoon! Best On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Walter Pienciak > wrote: > Yesterday I visited the Berlin Boulder Project. ( > http://www.boulder-project.de/). > > It's a 10-minute walk from the Sudkreuz train station, and somewhat buried > in a repurposed industrial area, as these gyms often are. 9 euros; they'll > rent the climbing shoes if you don't have a pair (I dragged my shoes and > chalkbag along on this trip). > > Plenty of wallspace, good music to keep you psyched, indoor AND outdoor > areas. More than enough problems to get you pumped or spit you off the > wall. ;^) > > Walter > > > Walter Pienciak > Senior Manager, Strategic Programs, IEEE Standards Association > > w.pienciak@ieee.org > +1 303 527 0934 > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > -- Corinne J.N. Cath -- Corinne J.N. 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Thanks for sharing! That sounds like an excellent game plan for= Friday afternoon!

Best=C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:4= 6 AM, Walter Pienciak <w.pienci= ak@ieee.org> wrote:
Yesterday I visited the Berlin Boulder Project.=C2= =A0 (http://ww= w.boulder-project.de/).

It's a 10-minute walk from the= Sudkreuz train station, and somewhat buried in a repurposed industrial are= a, as these gyms often are.=C2=A0 9 euros; they'll rent the climbing sh= oes if you don't have a pair (I dragged my shoes and chalkbag along on = this trip).

Plenty of wallspace, good music to keep you psyche= d, indoor AND outdoor areas.=C2=A0 More than enough problems to get you pum= ped or spit you off the wall.=C2=A0 ;^)

Walter


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Senior Manager, Strategic P= rograms, IEEE Standards Association

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--001a1148ef26e2b92b05380eba4e-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 03:59:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E62E12D59F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:59:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QJdOSyVogKLF for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.live555.com (ns.live555.com [4.79.217.242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D531C12D53A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.live555.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.live555.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u6KAwuVS017745 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 03:58:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from finlayson@live555.com) X-Authentication-Warning: ns.live555.com: Host localhost.live555.com [127.0.0.1] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Ross Finlayson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:58:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:59:00 -0000 > These are (NOC run) user experience probes -- they allow us to see how = the wireless is working from the user's standpoint, and so try resolve = issues before they affect users=E2=80=A6=20 I hope they reported that the =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D network was = suffering badly in the Potsdam I room during this morning=E2=80=99s = (admittedly, exceptionally large) QUIC BOF. (The Potsdam rooms will = also be used for this evening=E2=80=99s plenary - which should be even = larger.) Ross. From nobody Wed Jul 20 04:08:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99B912DB9F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:08:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z30awzGx0GeN for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22f.google.com (mail-it0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACFA912DBC0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id j124so46694101ith.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:07:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SZTEempTpapfEvD4TSiPH2xidGKICQNcnhzfPXej0Zw=; b=IYCVuWRDoBkOzKF7npLxqSdrFq5HsEZ7e3BVpX5XlZsx5h1YNREz1fk8ToSMvL6xeq iS7XmqTOaBuYb7SRvWBJqX9E9ohxQIoocFHmBvH9d21pXjWdC3ZV264lTznjas1GpbhP pqvS9FgA0AW1LdARl85hc0L5B2YNTvrYJGtWM9Xw4xVru2VRoln1Xzwfbb1uvyO767Ss w3NeMYcYldul7S5qnBpuN1D+a6ZF3zKsoi8IoxA8HTu++wwfoI5+MzNF/SofwuH31KjH ENFJIkhCBH6ZxLOBB2HJQqU2+Ad26KTa3HAWZCbjnbRlt81meUlvIFXVSypvRDiNsGCd /HwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SZTEempTpapfEvD4TSiPH2xidGKICQNcnhzfPXej0Zw=; b=FgiPxnEUZX/pl//ifaGD1UD1+N4uTBmQSlSGQzcm3rKbBsZ2rk/vWHbcwFzk6SpyO+ UmRoIeWeSEb/HtXeOTJ/tffb3DS1GYAipjosu3/Xnw0sa9TFlJPwRzEIteBqD4HbmHJe JF9QdSWLutZmqmjnLZy8J7Hz5UKOM+Tr1oMR7M5HCSN5xOuAUvnur2cUpTxWUJgebkRE 6MO4Q9Yhhwt6JfhMnUUDr19+JSvmWcfKjZuxDNyEvnRkgruhunsmoxCWjsmab7jf+uwx ZkMY4xVZWcziXHweMEM4mdsXDiL94elwlE0Zi2upgK/EM50k7vHYcvDovITdBJ51rMFT PaRA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJB+4CI/G+ikTvnokfGGXwgw8PMwwZ4tqxZHydSefPLA/IpbaC08STnQzJ/qrPaVKu3yzgkcUslmSYzCg== X-Received: by 10.36.94.16 with SMTP id h16mr55179220itb.45.1469012841081; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:07:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.14.17 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:07:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ross Finlayson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:08:54 -0000 As a presenter, often I would be happier if the in-room network failed completely. Looking out at a sea of faces heads down in their laptops is often discouraging. I think it would be an interesting experiment, if one day, we had a special, shielded, wifi-free and celluar-free room to have a set of meetings in. Instead of monitoring things via a blue box in that case, it would be useful to invite a team of doctors in to observe the variety of network withdrawal symptoms in the audience, as well as wire up people to measure heart rate, blood pressure, and brainwave activity. From nobody Wed Jul 20 04:12:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6933B12DB77 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4AHPT2t_T1Sm for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.live555.com (ns.live555.com [4.79.217.242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E206412DB8C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.live555.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.live555.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTP id u6KBBK3O026438 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from finlayson@live555.com) X-Authentication-Warning: ns.live555.com: Host localhost.live555.com [127.0.0.1] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Ross Finlayson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:11:20 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:12:19 -0000 > As a presenter, often I would be happier if the in-room network failed > completely. The availability of in-room WiFi provides even more of an incentive for = presenters to keep their presentations engaging, on-point, and = non-boring :-) Ross. 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Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A84EFE07-9CC7-479D-A36E-61D99C96CC11"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Jim Martin In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:20:33 +0200 Message-Id: <2D845FB3-D831-455B-B5F6-2C292956553E@daedelus.com> References: To: Ross Finlayson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:20:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A84EFE07-9CC7-479D-A36E-61D99C96CC11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ross, We did get word that there were wifi issues in that room, and = took steps to mitigate (if not solve) the problem, by balancing power = levels. We=E2=80=99re certainly looking forward to tonight=E2=80=99s = plenary and thinking through adjustments to the deployment to avoid a = repeat of the problem. That said, we unfortunately didn=E2=80=99t receive any tickets = about the problem. Again, I encourage everyone to either email = tickets@meeting.ietf.org or use the web interface at = https://tickets.meeting.ietf.org when there are problems. If the net is = so bad you can=E2=80=99t send mail, please let us know in the terminal = room (k=C3=B6penick). The sooner we know of the problems, the quicker we = can react. The probes we=E2=80=99re deploying are still under = development and are progressing, but we very much appreciate user = reports! - Jim > On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Ross Finlayson = wrote: >=20 >> These are (NOC run) user experience probes -- they allow us to see = how the wireless is working from the user's standpoint, and so try = resolve issues before they affect users=E2=80=A6 >=20 > I hope they reported that the =E2=80=9Cietf=E2=80=9D network was = suffering badly in the Potsdam I room during this morning=E2=80=99s = (admittedly, exceptionally large) QUIC BOF. (The Potsdam rooms will = also be used for this evening=E2=80=99s plenary - which should be even = larger.) >=20 > Ross. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_A84EFE07-9CC7-479D-A36E-61D99C96CC11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXj16BAAoJEGSVLgipgLnDzQIH/3N51A1ONuZUhlhg5OucPG+8 ZyEMmOGwxcI1TsaQVXZfX07DjNGOabgPA8oHQXfMcM4rVIed0U6iNNmcti4Pmjjd taaa9FrgGeiDExFveUR4oUsWuHRY8L9t5zwAGCSVo6KgEFjcRoroFQ0yaMQ6RMK2 +4VRGvDED9P1MVuvE6WwCEd3H7HIbcSy9hnoe8fDDrLE+5L4gbRECTaT6dGKz6n1 d2O0LxqZI6pc4zd33BXciQ/ZlZkWCLfKWxMVp3zw2n1Xv175K2TDD43l9N4d58rU B3D+KultJ9CwE/leHlFhzgZEmVjYnExcC5rgHLZU0nT3XeqQ7TXNiyw2ciwQz5I= =aG0i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A84EFE07-9CC7-479D-A36E-61D99C96CC11-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 04:38:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A619412D103 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:38:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ca1OFeYrOIJg for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C7E12D1D7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 04:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4109 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2016 11:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2016 11:37:52 -0000 Date: 20 Jul 2016 11:37:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20160720113730.1445.qmail@ary.lan> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: diego.dujovne@gmail.com Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:38:01 -0000 >There is a place close to the Intercontinental but I have >not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, >on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. That building has been redeveloped and the space is now a gallery selling (in my opinion) bad art. I don't know where the laundry went. R's, John From nobody Wed Jul 20 05:19:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B0112DBD9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:19:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NWPDiVIfmeVZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36CB812DBD6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A51200A3; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC171638D1; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:19:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Kathleen Moriarty In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:19:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4456.1469017163@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:19:30 -0000 I have a Large rather than my usual XL. (I wish it was because my diet was working...) If there is someone that took a womens size, who would trade to a mens M, and someone else who would trade their mens M for my Large, I will move up to a larger size... -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Wed Jul 20 05:28:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A1E12D532 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:28:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yandex-team.ru Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zABC3dF7yTsD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from forwardcorp1h.cmail.yandex.net (forwardcorp1h.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f35::e5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFB812D52C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:2519::120]) by forwardcorp1h.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 1226F20676 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:28:41 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 1048A2CA0981 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:28:41 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 84.201.164.141-vpna.dhcp.yndx.net (84.201.164.141-vpna.dhcp.yndx.net [84.201.164.141]) by smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id PvmLb2JF8m-Se8uJmTq; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:28:40 +0300 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex-team.ru; s=default; t=1469017721; bh=EVvkR4i+U1N0c/E22O6LePcPd/vHJqZ0VDI2qLv8tXg=; h=To:Subject:References:Date:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To; b=F+gRK0HVsoQPPEtNGfMBAiSIcFU3brgHtvp+TGejl0wLETDp3eJsoICCO2H//2Zd9 PcdoxLqICp3jtvAgclTtu3Y8aTQkbCulBeEv0IJ2J+hQsWidhjpLccqqjxFP656j5V 5lrKkuWhYjV5+70+ImqGguN+b3Y4W+TgpPTpV89s= Authentication-Results: smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex-team.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <18851.1468858345@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <95cffa56-7cc5-03c4-64cf-eb2ea438b628@scss.tcd.ie> <18566.1468920929@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <9D00D87E-E4DF-4467-A139-B9B66D792C36@beuth-hochschule.de> <20160720082050.GB7475@hobbykeller.org> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:28:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable From: "Chaals McCathie Nevile" Organization: Yandex Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (MacIntel) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Google Street view X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:28:48 -0000 On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:38:27 +0200, Joseph Lorenzo Hall = wrote: > wondering if some sort of 3D model with shop signs on them might be = > workable... It's certainly workable. A mobile app that was big in Japan about a doze= n = or so years ago offered this for Tokyo - it included actual trees where = = they were dotted around streets=E2=80=A6 Streetview - and Yandex Panorama and other similar efforts - could be a = = great historical resource. But privacy is a fair concern, IMHO. When = Yandex made Panorama in Turkey we needed facial recognition, to make sur= e = every face was blurred out to meet with the law. It's certainly reasonable for a country to make laws based on their = understanding of what is reasonable, rather than on someone else's - = although I also believe in genuinely universal rights, which makes the = conversation complicated. It's also tricky to work out whether we can motivate the creation of gia= nt = databases of stuff like this - one of the prices of privacy is a loss of= = history. But then, we live in a largely ahistoric time already - a = ridiculous amount of information that in the 19th and first half of the = = 20th century would be carefully archived precisely for posterity, even i= f = it was "not to be opened for 30 years", is now routinely lost because it= = was unrecorded electronic discussion or just not archived. eGovernment i= s = leading us to what will quite possibly be reflected on in hindsight as a= = new Dark Age=E2=80=A6 cheers Chaals > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Oliver Hahm = > wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 09:22:56AM +0200, Randy Bush wrote: >>> > Google seems to have given up on Street view in Germany. >>> > The courts granted property owners the right to have their space >>> > pixelated and a lot of people did this. So, Google choose not >>> > to take pictures again. >>> > >>> > Germany - the backwaters of the Internet ;-) >>> >>> perhaps a concern for privacy is a mark of forward thinking >> >> +1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > > -- = Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com From nobody Wed Jul 20 05:31:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC0D12D13B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:31:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4A2UWmJixQlk for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3A7612D0BF for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b27d.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b27d.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.178.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 180A9428B; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:31:04 +0200 (CEST) From: "Olle E. Johansson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:31:01 +0200 Message-Id: <66B469C2-AA2B-48E1-A4A9-4995EED5EC62@edvina.net> To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Olle E Johansson Subject: [96attendees] Chairs: Jabber scribes in large meetings X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:31:10 -0000 Just a note after the QuiC meeting: For meetings in a large rooms with multiple microphones - please appoint = multiple Jabber Scribes. It=E2=80=99s impossible to track multiple microphones from one seat when the meeting heats up. RFC 7649 says: "If the session is large or is expected to be especially active (e.g., a controversial BoF), find a co-scribe who can help you by sitting at another microphone, taking turns relaying information, etc.=E2=80=9D Yes, this lets the scribe solve the problem - but chairs are allowed to = help too :-) Thanks, /O= From nobody Wed Jul 20 05:35:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B8712D1A3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qixe5rgJMVvT for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82B2D12D0F0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.rfc1925.org (calcifer.labs.nic.cz [217.31.192.138]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF81607EB; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:35:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1469018116; bh=BAGn7MFoUEK5ldpyhNnFv0ITLGjKPvLkw6AeuQf3RyE=; h=Date:From:To; b=TXCJ5WQokhlvYG3K50hmRyEy0AQS2LIgBILqVE2ifIgdcgQ6Cj2ZqZfgMfzmecsZf 5h4qEpJe8U7YG/zD+mhS/OBaj+Y7HprjMfFTtvnkxd2vIjPMImv2EgAQSZs3i15MiJ eheU/AZHqSMPl0ng2h48+FagX5LgxsELV+5k8bow= Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:35:15 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_Sur=C3=BD?= To: Thomas Scheffler Message-ID: <1138671194.5308.1469018115981.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> In-Reply-To: References: <95cffa56-7cc5-03c4-64cf-eb2ea438b628@scss.tcd.ie> <18566.1468920929@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <9D00D87E-E4DF-4467-A139-B9B66D792C36@beuth-hochschule.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [217.31.192.138] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1178 (ZimbraWebClient - GC51 (Linux)/8.6.0_GA_1178) Thread-Topic: Google Street view Thread-Index: 6MVNjd3vfC4p9iO1LtHpBZ/ovJraow== X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: Randy Bush , 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Google Street view X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:35:20 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Scheffler" > To: "Randy Bush" > Cc: "96 Attendees" <96attendees@ietf.org> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:12:45 AM > Subject: Re: [96attendees] Google Street view > Oh, I am all for privacy. > But Google showing Street view data from 2008 in a place like Berlin > is getting ridiculous... But that's certainly not a Germany's fault, right? +1 to what Randy said. -- Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD -- Technical Fellow -------------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- Laborato=C5=99e CZ.NIC Milesovska 5, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz https://nic.cz/ -------------------------------------------- >=20 > Am 20.07.2016 um 09:22 schrieb Randy Bush : >=20 >>> Google seems to have given up on Street view in Germany. >>> The courts granted property owners the right to have their space >>> pixelated and a lot of people did this. 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Please help me in finding a shop from where I could buy a German made Violin.

Warm regards

T. Santhosh

--Boundary_(ID_8+qYM1S/XiHAoIcr2fSu8A)-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 05:56:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A7D12DBF2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=iubari.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s0TejjYvY0Wb for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B88A12DBF1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:56:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1469019412; l=2441; s=domk; d=iubari.de; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:From:References:To: Subject; bh=aPeQpfGKho4Sf6JJ31s1DuiXf++O0yIBiZEOD+fWfIw=; b=TYY1vdW7aUvX1aUI0Vn0MH2g4Ah8er7wrkWsZYU9Wu7+OoKAJVAEWp6cdC7qIIJ2QPI Vl3PiS5xvN5G/rThMuvWa5mZ5WT2aDN80eZYJzeY0yj/iolbrHIzVd+MIxiM4pvkfkgr1 zRgE3w92/K11sbYj5x850p+R8i649RQaTcs= X-RZG-AUTH: :LmMBcUShdfjsQJ2GYrZEJ9YKjeQFVH08bcsH7wiP4D4ltLM8mfw51LKtd+0GPUFw5x+tMjMih3Qd5PvXkJG96fPWfbiXINxnWl4= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:b129:1998:6069:621f] ([2001:67c:370:160:b129:1998:6069:621f]) by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 38.13 AUTH) with ESMTPSA id Y06993s6KCuqnuN (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:56:52 +0200 (CEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: From: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Message-ID: <09897747-eebe-ad7a-abf5-9fc60ba77407@iubari.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:57:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6BF536D0B4B4D3740598A2A2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] German made Violin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:56:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6BF536D0B4B4D3740598A2A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, http://www.kaegi-berlin.de/ Expensive, but the violins are made here in Berlin. Wilhelm Am 20.07.2016 um 14:42 schrieb T Santhosh: > Dear Friends, > > Please help me in finding a shop from where I could buy a German made > Violin. > > Warm regards > > T. Santhosh > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Geschftsfhrer iubari GmbH Training and Consulting Brndbystr. 34, 12207 Berlin www.iubari.de +49 163 6638527 Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg HRB 151204 --------------6BF536D0B4B4D3740598A2A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

http://www.kaegi-berlin.de/

Expensive, but the violins are made here in Berlin.

Wilhelm


Am 20.07.2016 um 14:42 schrieb T Santhosh:
Dear Friends,

Please help me in finding a shop from where I could buy a German made Violin.

Warm regards

T. Santhosh



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Amtsgericht Berlin Charlottenburg
HRB 151204
--------------6BF536D0B4B4D3740598A2A2-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 05:58:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B3212D60B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:58:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcrS8b1Uqmcj for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.220.242]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E5B12D5F8 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:ecc1:6d11:91b7:6aa5] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:ecc1:6d11:91b7:6aa5]) by mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 756BED34; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:58:30 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Florian Streibelt Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:58:27 +0200 To: T Santhosh , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] German made Violin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:58:35 -0000 Am 20. Juli 2016 14:42:34 MESZ, schrieb T Santhosh : >Dear Friends, > >Please help me in finding a shop from where I could buy a German made >Violin. > >Warm regards > >T. Santhosh > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >96attendees mailing list >96attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees Hello, a regular shop would be 'Just music' at the subway station Moritzplatz in Kreuzberg or you could google 'Geigenbauer in Berlin' which is German for violin makers in Berlin.... good luck, Florian -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity and possible speling mistakes. From nobody Wed Jul 20 05:59:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F4312D5FB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:59:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X1CkwQUBZ78S for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64D6112D5D5 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bPr5x-0007XD-Rk; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:59:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:59:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:59:40 -0000 > As a presenter, often I would be happier if the in-room network failed > completely. Looking out at a sea of faces heads down in their laptops > is often discouraging. [ not directed at you personally ] what keeps the cows in the pasture is the quality of the grass not the height of the fence. From nobody Wed Jul 20 06:00:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0BD12D60B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cdt.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eWAhi8sOzfSa for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x232.google.com (mail-vk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F31E612D5D5 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id n129so22297547vke.3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:00:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9NKzK149glBdmDBtUSzVzguaiyVmLm6IHmnxhTCYDGQ=; b=Nyb3Ls/uXMe3Ae93bSB4k96kxz57uKTBbhc3Ucca+TD74YUWckarwg/H8OqlRr0ysN iNbfMUpVLygxhkG1rAawsi8aKBFCrLTTHC+/8zBxzxz+2DbK9XrI/pjtqgsN33K0kU8g 0UBQVuaBGH0jytE8mojHTkpOnZTBO4l8worXo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9NKzK149glBdmDBtUSzVzguaiyVmLm6IHmnxhTCYDGQ=; b=jmhgqqVROMlVH2/aP94viXt2Syao0BNyYkhCNr9CYwQ21+BJ0pYZVDz1kgPh3oA0W6 ZdeFN97dAs0jFceLm8HgiQNd1zksSGSfIC6RjEkU9zwxgXCNnCVhRw1lbtE5LmIbdXTa TPHh+kyXqDaMcJvUf2ypiXsaLn7n2jmxQi4Hef2cxLZsUgx2d7XiRgInBmMz05Gt3Obb W1qUlIgCk0qol3STM9EVSMIEQ5cc+PywcMV2GEk5AA0JjutV0kY6Jkw2j1BfB1i8muWu BcykY3va5Trv7xiL3eStYjX/XkWs5S6mzvygKFx4KSv51RZStbuce8ld+hxa+TDWsQxz 3JDw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLfhCIoeTMM+SUrj80Vq/zYp8xFCs5hc72RDBrht4xnrg59MnsCTjPxmndZd+w4Eak6xx/nz+q+qGdCdWfB X-Received: by 10.176.65.102 with SMTP id j93mr23335548uad.30.1469019611001; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:00:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.29.71 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:59:51 +0200 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Ross Finlayson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:00:17 -0000 On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > As a presenter, often I would be happier if the in-room network failed > completely. Looking out at a sea of faces heads down in their laptops > is often discouraging. I think it would be an interesting experiment, > if one day, we had a special, shielded, wifi-free and celluar-free > room to have a set of meetings in. Trying to reduce the tendency for people to seek other distraction or preventing them from doing work that requires network during a session will not end well. > Instead of monitoring things via a blue box in that case, it would be > useful to invite a team of doctors in to observe the variety of > network withdrawal symptoms in the audience, as well as wire up people > to measure heart rate, blood pressure, and brainwave activity. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Wed Jul 20 06:04:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E9812D5F0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:03:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.77, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ssQKgNDJpc5I for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.banu.com (mail.banu.com [46.4.129.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4D712D668 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic (unknown [115.118.61.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.banu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 450A82FA0DB8; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:03:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:33:28 +0530 From: Mukund Sivaraman To: T Santhosh Message-ID: <20160720130328.GA25352@jurassic> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.2 (2016-07-01) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] German made Violin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:03:45 -0000 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:12:34PM +0530, T Santhosh wrote: > Dear Friends, >=20 > Please help me in finding a shop from where I could buy a German made Vio= lin. If you are going to import this into India on your return and if this is an expensive violin, be aware of the rate of customs duty you may be asked to pay at the airport customs. They may charge a steep flat rate and musical instruments aren't usually waved through like electronics. I've read many bad stories about people attempting to import guitars through Indian customs. 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Looking out at a sea of faces heads down in their laptops > is often discouraging. I think it would be an interesting experiment, > if one day, we had a special, shielded, wifi-free and celluar-free > room to have a set of meetings in. As a person with operational responsibilities, there's no surer way to prevent me from seeing a presentation at all than to turn off the network. -- Matthew Pounsett Senior DNS Engineer [image: Rightside] matt.pounsett@rightside.co www.rightside.co --001a113fe08c5e0c71053810d69f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
As a presenter, often I= would be happier if the in-room network failed
completely. Looking out at a sea of faces heads down in their laptops
is often discouraging. I think it would be an interesting experiment,
if one day, we had a special, shielded, wifi-free and celluar-free
room to have a set of meetings in.

As a per= son with operational responsibilities, there's no surer way to prevent = me from seeing a presentation at all than to turn off the network. =C2=A0 = =C2=A0

--
Matthew Pounsett
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--001a113fe08c5e0c71053810d69f-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 06:05:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3041112DBD7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=krose.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AkbXu9Eja6aP for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com (mail-qt0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5D9B12D63F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id x25so25683303qtx.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:04:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krose.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gxgPIdoXrbYquS+uy5dVHCtxNFFv/N9KhQfHbvVvBa0=; b=Pit7EI1im7zMfjMv5ibCIvQYcqIfUMKwIER8XjoLb6EQ1vhUsScJ7N78axB+6oLkQS gmP/Y7MZb6trsv+MI/KPgzRSMSC8V72ymXR4VwxpFKtK510VfbvUcTw4+Glgt+0kYFyI gj94LWxYySuXMxOx2mtrf6/aH8E7wgtT0F4qM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gxgPIdoXrbYquS+uy5dVHCtxNFFv/N9KhQfHbvVvBa0=; b=QaMgFYKky6u13oN5z1cQi4GyfVNs8LgpsVFKOnEgD2tnmO1Qd+pxG1FQGm6Za7kMWb rUVLfJYvV1U0gZbgJ1/a9BXS19f5Wh98PD1fhLNCEaIKRQvmBxNdxTg5AE155Diz8Qwo yoqADwBLnd3d53MNQ5ho9YK9vpfroG17iiFDZ5/W1ZG4CPGbFJtJwHt/XckxvNG5Y6GZ TiALwnmm7+1LTHjCKPjTw4QI4fo5vY8hKZYHg530j46hGIvD/ytM88Np5mcr86/jwJSV VYQG78MQrzOLEZfGzlV+L4tYDspuWqfFCjP6IcTSQO+eqAH2wEeCWqDzM8M2Cy7JoGb8 3LCg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI0x5BBhc+eQhyElVLoiL2KNMTsO1JMG1lX83fF8W9lZdb8Lyz8M/W6/kKiilERW0duRVo1fmJ47EBpTA== X-Received: by 10.237.36.38 with SMTP id r35mr73076038qtc.3.1469019862684; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:04:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.118.135 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:67c:370:176:88a4:cf8f:e95f:e111] In-Reply-To: References: From: Kyle Rose Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:04:22 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ross Finlayson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d3aac15b78c053810d7fd Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Mysterious blue boxes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:04:59 -0000 --001a113d3aac15b78c053810d7fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > > As a presenter, often I would be happier if the in-room network failed > > completely. > > The availability of in-room WiFi provides even more of an incentive for > presenters to keep their presentations engaging, on-point, and non-boring > :-) > +1. My experience in college was that professors who graded attendance were, without a doubt, the worst lecturers. Ben Orenstein of Thoughtbot spoke about just this problem at RailsConf in 2013, when he said that it's more important to be interesting than informative: if you're not interesting, it doesn't matter how much knowledge you have to share because no one will be listening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9JXH7JPjR4 Kyle --001a113d3aac15b78c053810d7fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Ross Finlayson <fin= layson@live555.com> wrote:
> As a presenter, often I would be happier if the in-room= network failed
> completely.

The availability of in-room WiFi provides even more of an incentive = for presenters to keep their presentations engaging, on-point, and non-bori= ng :-)

+1.

My experience in college was that profess= ors who graded attendance were, without a doubt, the worst lecturers.
Ben Orenstein of Thoughtbot spoke about just this problem at R= ailsConf in 2013, when he said that it's more important to be interesti= ng than informative: if you're not interesting, it doesn't matter h= ow much knowledge you have to share because no one will be listening.
https://www.you= tube.com/watch?v=3Dl9JXH7JPjR4

Kyle
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charset=windows-1252 Just FYI that I heard a report of a stolen phone yesterday, from the = hotel bar and probably by certain outside people who had entered and = then vanished. Hopefully no big deal in this case, but I just wanted to = send a general reminder that Berlin is a big city, we=92re in an open = space, look after your stuff and take care. As always, of course. (No need for a big thread, this is just a reminder. No action on this = specific case needed.) 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Dmitry Kohmanyuk > wrote: Another option is to have online shop (there is one already, right?) which = would sell all sizes. We are considering putting the shirt design up on the ietf cafepress site. -- Jeff --_000_FD80CB0290AF463B83A20DBBA5F34EF3junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <63B6BE310A93BB448303AC0206DE09A6@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk@hostmaster.ua> wrote:
Another option is to have online shop (there is one already, right?) which would s= ell all sizes.

We are considering putting the shirt design up on the ietf = cafepress site.

-- Jeff

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For future IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there better standardization for sock sizes? From nobody Wed Jul 20 08:50:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E231612D824 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:50:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BHuztCbzpsBW for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF0A212D817 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b27d.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b27d.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.178.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A6E63428B; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:50:42 +0200 (CEST) From: "Olle E. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just so people stop looking, I found this and have messaged Pedro privately on the location. Spencer On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:57 PM, PEDRO ANDRES ARANDA GUTIERREZ < pedroa.aranda@telefonica.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > I have forgotten my Macbook 2012 power supply (Mag1) in one of the > conference rooms. I use it with a black EU power cable. Help to find it > will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > --- > > Dr. Pedro A. Aranda Guti=C3=A9rrez > > > > Technology Exploration > > email: pedroa d0t aranda At telefonica d0t com > > Telef=C3=B3nica, Investigaci=C3=B3n y Desarrollo =E2=80=93 GCTO Unit > > C/ Zurbar=C3=A1n,12 > > 28010 Madrid, Spain > > > > Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden. > > Fragen sind da, um gestellt zu werden. > > > > Georg Kreisler > > ------------------------------ > > Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, > puede contener informaci=C3=B3n privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso > exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. 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Just so people stop looking, I found this and have message= d Pedro privately on the location.

Spencer

On Wed, Jul 20, 201= 6 at 5:57 PM, PEDRO ANDRES ARANDA GUTIERREZ <pedroa.aranda@te= lefonica.com> wrote:

Hi f= olks,

<= /u>=C2=A0

I ha= ve forgotten my Macbook 2012 power supply (Mag1) in one of the conference r= ooms. I use it with a black EU power cable. Help to find it will be greatly= appreciated.

<= /u>=C2=A0

Than= ks a lot

<= /u>=C2=A0

---

Dr. Pedro A. Aranda Guti=C3=A9rrez

=C2=A0

Technology Exploration

email: pedroa d0t aranda At telefonica d0t com<= /span>

Telef=C3=B3nica, Investigaci=C3=B3n y Desarrollo =E2=80=93 GC= TO Unit

C/ Zurbar=C3=A1n,12

28010 Madrid, Spain

=C2=A0

Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden.=

Fragen sind da, um gestellt zu werden.

=C2=A0

Georg Kreisler



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--001a113fdef8b0a415053813707c-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 09:20:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4627312D528 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6rO2jN6nyUq8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1151412D4FB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10052 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2016 16:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2016 16:19:55 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id M4Kp1t00L2SSUrH014Ks53; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:19:53 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=KaJB72oD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=cAmyUtKerLwA:10 a=0PltvTPG0DHvKSIps68A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ClhY_7CV7OoA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=a6TUJkj8ZmCP8moeuOGer2SrhUvce4TzZT2IhSFaeq0=; b=EpnKNYfP0wXEBSHmQf0YI2aHMI0RMnB57/DtZvIrUOTCbiryve+3pCZPgURHaoCcZbgXdDh1wd MZYm65QhBY0BOH5zjtFHUOSRxkLXkGo5So+ZDTsQnkRsPX7CzCTD01; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:43362 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bPuDu-000404-VK for 96attendees@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:19:51 -0600 To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:19:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1bPuDu-000404-VK X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:43362 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] quagga meetup X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:19:59 -0000 If you work on / use / interested in quagga, we're having lunch together tomorrow -- just meet in the lobby a few minutes after the morning session and we'll head out -- if nice, probably to Cafe am Neuen Lichtensteinallee 2, 10787 (the Biergarten) as it can accommodate many -- no agenda beyond food is planned. Lou From nobody Wed Jul 20 09:38:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81B412D0D1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:38:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s4ywmIgWxWsw for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE5B812D575 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6KGbqHB019443; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:37:52 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6KGbqHB019443 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1469032672; bh=pZ08o4jSn2x5pvJIATYdVGdw/qw=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Qw6h2mpDtruYp8ep4JnchYfUWllode4Vsfu33z/AdLvmzmAPxWNwkxuOLPtN0YMaG EzJq1m1vjOik6P/wZW7LEO7DxDPcSxYrxd0sT3hFfCdc+tBuTEnT/xWllRaQlRYe64 IyZ2vintPAELGMEjGInwd6786X6TThlf2uBFZ0Qk= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6JHbp2638109063Ed ret-id none; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:37:52 +0100 Received: from dhcp-9b00.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9b00.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.155.0]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6KGblLm023287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:37:48 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E519B297-CCC3-4F54-B74F-8F67A615187D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:38:59 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4456.1469017163@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8DBF10AE-C3F5-4E98-88C4-86D7A8E32DB0@hostmaster.ua> <9E75E9C1-1BE8-47CA-A304-5301445F6356@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: Jeff Haas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6JHbp263810906300; tid=s6JHbp2638109063Ed; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=4:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6KGbqHB019443 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Dmitry Kohmanyuk , Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:38:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E519B297-CCC3-4F54-B74F-8F67A615187D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 20 Jul 2016, at 15:58, Jeff Haas wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Dmitry Kohmanyuk > wrote: >>=20 >> Another option is to have online shop (there is one already, right?) = which would sell all sizes. >=20 > We are considering putting the shirt design up on the ietf cafepress = site. This would be awesome, especially if we can backdate them too :) Would help raise some money for ISOC/IETF, perhaps put it in any fund to = give discounted IETF attendance via an appropriate bursary scheme. Tim --Apple-Mail=_E519B297-CCC3-4F54-B74F-8F67A615187D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk@hostmaster.ua> wrote:

Another option is to have online shop (there is one already, right?) which would sell all sizes.

We are considering putting the shirt design up on the ietf cafepress site.

This would be awesome, especially if we can backdate them too :)

Would help raise some money for ISOC/IETF, perhaps put it in any fund to give discounted IETF attendance via an appropriate bursary scheme.

Tim

--Apple-Mail=_E519B297-CCC3-4F54-B74F-8F67A615187D-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 10:33:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0457012B03A for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 265oEBQa263j for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 972C412D1B7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AE620354; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:33:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=EOG5jlJBe1pUe83 pP4pIizvtpgg=; b=Q50lOBcWj4ZXs53DuWbGvrmrZSapcxvdyfCjwy7lfU9R7Zp aDykqtqykqwbHiPqRoatSnJ3KPzFGTTxhKUkZkmOXPOQBuU0WPf92a6xdl2vZfJY kjXO0NXIK5EUwKzYlb830P39Y4UEIbMCHRUM9kU7koXW7nlH8Gb529jv//9M= X-Sasl-enc: yagUZWhyePzLZoJ4R6r/Cg/AuQkOnz397Ioq9bsv9V59 1469036006 Received: from [31.133.170.213] (dhcp-aad5.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.170.213]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DB9AFF29F4; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:33:21 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56DD7835-F1EA-4EAE-A78B-8D59C3003130@consulintel.es> <1595897867.5052.1469003723658.JavaMail.zimbra@nic.cz> To: Dave Taht Archived-At: Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_Sur=C3=BD?= , 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBULVNoaXJ0cw==?= X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:33:31 -0000 On 20 =CC=C9=D0. 2016 =D2., at 17:07, Dave Taht wrote:= >=20 > I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this point. For future > IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there better > standardization for sock sizes? RFC 1928? It's been around for twenty years..= From nobody Wed Jul 20 10:43:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F1612B00B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YCu7OpEcdcKF for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 361A412B03F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id C63A3A2; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:43:51 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1469036631; bh=GIZHblnu41U/SDWaBSmhI28Oa60PQicKMW8xsKfNxZ4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=yrbqNdyrTOA59x7yA+K2eNDhRVcuN0PPnGvmUrir3DSGRVXF8zDKdM80jh8IsSDj1 GO8NLDtbbg17b9sp2t6NCupPK39KQRzp3VoDoXnpHH5QHqVS30XyTGi48Iz/YSFJE0 qlHKsaEdU2yYo8nqY0F6j+h8Gp8kD7TZJDOZE0CM= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2650A1; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:43:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: <66B469C2-AA2B-48E1-A4A9-4995EED5EC62@edvina.net> Message-ID: References: <66B469C2-AA2B-48E1-A4A9-4995EED5EC62@edvina.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-844679000-1469036631=:2309" Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Chairs: Jabber scribes in large meetings X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:43:58 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-844679000-1469036631=:2309 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > For meetings in a large rooms with multiple microphones - please appoint multiple Jabber Scribes. It’s impossible > to track multiple microphones from one seat when the meeting heats up. I totally agree. In a session yesterday I went to the mic to ask people to use the front microphone. Even after that, 80% of people went to the back microphone and I had to run back and forth to look at name badges. I would like to request that the number of microphones are limited to 2-3 for large rooms, and 1 for medium and small rooms. Having a microphone 6 meters behind the other microphone isn't really helping a lot, most people have no problem transporting themselves this distance to go to the mic. It might be good to have a backup mic standing somewhere in the back (that's what I did, in the last session this afternoon I just moved the rear mic to the wall so people didn't use it). In case the front mic isn't working, the backup mic can be moved and replace the primary mic. I really really like that I have the ability to log into the meetecho room in my browser, start doing my jabber scribe work without fuss. Now we have a record of audio+video+presentation+names of people talking (that last part is done by me as jabber scribe). Excellent if the minute takers need to figure out who does what. But this only works if I can actually see the name tags. Getting people to speak their name so well that the minute taker and scribe can properly document it is a lot harder than making sure that people line up so that the jabber scribe can read the name tag. Well, that of course means people need to wear their name tags so the jabber scribe can read it easily. This is surprisingly often not the case, either they don't wear it at all, or it's sitting on the left arm (and I'm on their right side), or they put some piece of paper obscuring one side of the badge, and that side is the side facing forward. I hate having to have to tell people to wear their badges so I can see them, but I typically have to do this multiple times per session. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-844679000-1469036631=:2309-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 11:01:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A5512D9AC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oSq3Dhkw7GgB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaadcmhout01.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhout01.cable.comcast.com [96.114.28.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76EFE12D9A0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; 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OpenBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; michael.breuer@ilsf.de; 1469043508; 83e44962; Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] RIPE probes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:38:31 -0000 Hej, do you still have any Atlas probes? Michael Breuer On 07/20/16 10:52, Nathalie Trenaman wrote: > I still have 5 Atlas probes to hand out. I will be around the fussball tables from 13:30 - 14:00 today if you want to pick one up. > > Nathalie Knneke-Trenaman > IPv6 Program Manager > RIPE NCC > > >> On 19 Jul 2016, at 12:52, Michal Krsek wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I'm bringing five RIPE Atlas probes with me https://atlas.ripe.net/ >> >> Will be at the venue till aroud 5pm, please send me e-mail if you want to host one. >> >> Overseas pariticipants preferable. >> >> With kind regards >> Michal Krsek >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Wed Jul 20 12:51:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4133C12D80E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:51:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pClh9-dl2ndX for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B3212D842 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.134.253.167] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:51:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:49:09 -0700 To: "Livingood, Jason" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:51:36 -0000 At 6:01 PM +0000 7/20/16, Jason Livingood wrote: > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming=20 > meeting=8A I know t-shirts are sacred of course.=20 > Anything else folks would prefer other than a=20 > t-shirt (as a selectable option) or in addition? Some past IETFs distributed knapsacks/backpacks=20 in addition to T-shirts, which proved extremely=20 popular. I still see people with them. One IETF=20 distributed fleece pull-overs (I suppose because=20 there had been complaints about too-cold rooms).=20 I'm not sure if the socks suggestion was made in=20 jest, but personally, I think socks would be a=20 pointless waste of money. Others may have a=20 different idea. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Eight out of every five people are math illiterate. 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KG" To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: Re[2]: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) Thread-Index: AQHR4rCzTjOWzv9izkiUQknEMF/bFKAhmKeAgAAEQYA= Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:04:31 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [77.180.189.35] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <89B48F31F06E594CAB21011868CD2C9C@fc2.local> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Matthias Pfeifer | dotBERLIN GmbH & Co. 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Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt= (as a selectable option) or in addition?=20 Nothing. Just concentrate on making the meeting venue as great as this one -= minus the tshirts, .... + more A/C.=20 From nobody Wed Jul 20 13:28:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA25E12D0DA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1zSuRIhhCi48 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x236.google.com (mail-lf0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AD7412D0BE for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x236.google.com with SMTP id b199so46317239lfe.0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RtZB7TncE83j7vRkfaNY7T/wIAmTxFomUEGTC5umDZU=; b=T6oIkFpgIcmK4EJ0qJXP/pARNP1FvHAnDIbXOZt0RpG0KT1Yya799pKiQhuhQrI7XG J/FMPb2Fu03XZaOV2HLzIZlkHcSyF+Aj0xGKGP8bK/tLR6hrIjV7rshtH1zGHctO6WAZ MckCCjiSEnPE/uMkHpqZnHeEk954DjkTJuv2FLKxOr6Fl+hhl6IR0R17ioYX2RrwHOw8 /P9HJVbHWg4tC2V5Kc9PPYu8owocTI7DeXx6M34iQD/HrOkU/RCUdZC8p+3Iw+hyPn4R /k/Xu96r8VhDQGrusYMYcg8BvOgAi12y3t8EEO9ClT1y0P+0UO1GpOdRygTvsN7Yau2W gjUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RtZB7TncE83j7vRkfaNY7T/wIAmTxFomUEGTC5umDZU=; b=f37Rodtog1FqcafzD/8bA3xZS6EszNNKPKbLdpRINqGfcdGLj/ughzI8JNv7cYmpBH vP5ibrwd3+w2M/xovP+2hPt1R0QldNhuIibmbLUpS/hFSVrn++6nPryJlKaZeIMZd05T JkuZFiaBHERHDKGZAD6TjFP0zzqUjyr71ofVHBAmv1l2OdrhtjWcakHVHRfJCDB0BMg7 8S2tQss1S0Jwv+pkhXX+X/MBO4zSzdcpvENWHxvl1aCDIDdD4hgTEa1gBgbIiFJTTLpJ BTvOyvA3/KHgL63uDngBVOpfXVCtLgcIFNLAfgH6nvvSNPLivLOWCvNXR+6GCyd9f6a9 WAUg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLalrJpXB0jO4mI1HJRkP6CXS4YJ2KHDG5F6zjVcNMxcIv1/7LIkOAvqQCfhvmCKj3skpFckPmbn2rp1A== X-Received: by 10.25.91.149 with SMTP id p143mr20056493lfb.39.1469046529321; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:28:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.217.219 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:28:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <78FD2288-99E3-4CEF-986C-1291F8F55EF1@shrubbery.net> References: <78FD2288-99E3-4CEF-986C-1291F8F55EF1@shrubbery.net> From: Ted Lemon Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:28:09 +0200 Message-ID: To: Heasley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114124b48a0c590538170cfd Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Livingood, Jason" , Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:28:54 -0000 --001a114124b48a0c590538170cfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would vote for not distributing crap. Every so often someone goes all out and distributes some swag with their name on it that is so great that people keep it, but that's more the exception than the rule, and I don't think you should do it--just send the money to the IETF instead. :) I personally would be happy if there were no T-shirt, because the peer pressure to take the things is intense, but then I almost never wear them: often the sponsor doesn't have time to really think about the T-shirt thing, and we wind up with a T-shirt that's made of questionable material, is sized wrong, or has an image on it that nobody would be caught dead wearing in public (I'm not going to mention any names, but I'm sure everybody remembers that shirt). It's a nice thought, but if we want there to be IETF shirts, they should be a money-making activity for the IETF, which would motivate a higher level of quality and better discussions about what to put on them, would ensure that everybody gets the size they asked for, and would also ensure that no unwanted shirts are sadly consigned to the shredder and find themselves sliding down that final conveyer belt, sadly wondering why the humans didn't pick them. (In case it's not obvious, this is all somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I really do think that sponsor shirts are a bad idea, for precisely the reason that we are experiencing here.) On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Heasley wrote: > Am 20.07.2016 um 20:01 schrieb Livingood, Jason < > Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>: > > > > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting=E2=80=A6 I know t-shi= rts are > sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt (= as > a selectable option) or in addition? > > Nothing. Just concentrate on making the meeting venue as great as this on= e > - minus the tshirts, .... + more A/C. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114124b48a0c590538170cfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would vote for not distributing crap. =C2=A0 Every so of= ten someone goes all out and distributes some swag with their name on it th= at is so great that people keep it, but that's more the exception than = the rule, and I don't think you should do it--just send the money to th= e IETF instead. :)

I personally would be happy if there = were no T-shirt, because the peer pressure to take the things is intense, b= ut then I almost never wear them: often the sponsor doesn't have time t= o really think about the T-shirt thing, and we wind up with a T-shirt that&= #39;s made of questionable material, is sized wrong, or has an image on it = that nobody would be caught dead wearing in public (I'm not going to me= ntion any names, but I'm sure everybody remembers that shirt).

It's a nice thought, but if we want there to be IETF s= hirts, they should be a money-making activity for the IETF, which would mot= ivate a higher level of quality and better discussions about what to put on= them, would ensure that everybody gets the size they asked for, and would = also ensure that no unwanted shirts are sadly consigned to the shredder and= find themselves sliding down that final conveyer belt, sadly wondering why= the humans didn't pick them.

(In case it'= s not obvious, this is all somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I really do think = that sponsor shirts are a bad idea, for precisely the reason that we are ex= periencing here.)

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Heasley <= ;heas@shrubbery.net= > wrote:
A= m 20.07.2016 um 20:01 schrieb Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>:
>
> I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting=E2=80=A6 I know t-sh= irts are sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-= shirt (as a selectable option) or in addition?

Nothing. Just concentrate on making the meeting venue as great as th= is one - minus the tshirts, .... + more A/C.

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Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:20:51 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6KLKolj012512; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:20:50 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6KLKoaT012511; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:20:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:20:50 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Livingood, Jason" Message-ID: <20160720212050.GQ7377@cisco.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:20:54 -0000 A couple of IETFs ago when i'd experimented with a remote chairing setup, we had a video-conf from a sock-puppet as a WG chair with some Greg Shepherd as the puppeteer. If we ever want to challenge relationships with "serious" standard bodies i think we should give those to every WG chair and have them be used. (chairing ANIMA i fear mine would have to be able to move by itself.. challenging...) On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:01:11PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote: > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting??? I know t-shirts are sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt (as a selectable option) or in addition? > > Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his washing machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been dropping socks every so often in order to complete each load of laundry on a timely basis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost socks but each load of laundry took 2 days to complete). ;-) [Sorry, that is the best sock-related buffer bloat joke I could come up with, Dave!] > > Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? > > Thanks > Jason > > On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this point. For future > IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there better > standardization for sock sizes? > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 20 14:25:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9080B12D885 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QveLTl8zkEs5 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF27B12D87C for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:25:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1314; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469049911; x=1470259511; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=WKjD2T0fF2NoMO+2eW57ONRr2fy8jOYE5/PUn4FdAl4=; b=OPGAGKjadeulr6Bx0q7uGpfBRwN6LuA90nuM7kiQFo6kKUEXA/ZR5vc8 csssRqo+S6NMqBGTCp18BiYOvwo0D3cUz7OOt5UDimJyxkcD4BMc70eJZ 9SAhh9P+S2x9F0XIvxAy566TuW+kih54Q71wUizPOrGOpIpm566xPnXUs 4=; X-Files: signature.asc : 481 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DTCACR649X/xbLJq1dhD+7LIYVA4IFA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBZieFBoEzAmwIAQGILJ9pj2OOCQ6IIgiGXxEBaII1gloFmSaDN4FuiT2?= =?us-ascii?q?BVgGHe4VnkCBUgTqCOzqGJIE1AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,396,1464652800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="638718644" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 20 Jul 2016 21:25:08 +0000 Received: from [10.61.69.31] (ams3-vpn-dhcp1311.cisco.com [10.61.69.31]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6KLP84h029111 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:25:08 GMT To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: <22efff03-d8ca-7363-1449-dddc5690b9d2@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:25:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xXULVojRblhocOerIcL046JJIR9kLAtag" Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] lost iPhone 5s charging cable X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:25:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --xXULVojRblhocOerIcL046JJIR9kLAtag Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VggkKcJb1GquGaCBi69xPk9nnPbA8Tm9p" From: Eliot Lear To: 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <22efff03-d8ca-7363-1449-dddc5690b9d2@cisco.com> Subject: lost iPhone 5s charging cable --VggkKcJb1GquGaCBi69xPk9nnPbA8Tm9p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you come across one, would you kindly email me? 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I'd be happy to work out a common time with anyone interested. FWIW, the gym has stuff suitable for all levels, so if anyone has the inclination... Walter On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Corinne Cath wrote: > Thanks for sharing! That sounds like an excellent game plan for Friday > afternoon! > > Best > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Walter Pienciak > wrote: > >> Yesterday I visited the Berlin Boulder Project. ( >> http://www.boulder-project.de/). >> >> It's a 10-minute walk from the Sudkreuz train station, and somewhat >> buried in a repurposed industrial area, as these gyms often are. 9 euros; >> they'll rent the climbing shoes if you don't have a pair (I dragged my >> shoes and chalkbag along on this trip). >> >> Plenty of wallspace, good music to keep you psyched, indoor AND outdoor >> areas. More than enough problems to get you pumped or spit you off the >> wall. ;^) >> >> Walter >> >> >> Walter Pienciak >> Senior Manager, Strategic Programs, IEEE Standards Association >> >> w.pienciak@ieee.org >> +1 303 527 0934 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> > > > -- > Corinne J.N. Cath > > > -- > Corinne J.N. Cath > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile --001a113e392e246f510538180b22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, hey, my soreness should have diminished by Friday, and I was planning= on a revisit. I'd be happy to work out a common time with anyone inter= ested.

FWIW, the gym has stuff suitable for all levels,= =C2=A0so if anyone has the inclination...=C2=A0
<= br>
Walter

On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Corinne Cath <<= a href=3D"mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com">corinnecath@gmail.com> wrote= :
Thanks for sharing! That so= unds like an excellent game plan for Friday afternoon!

Best=C2=A0=

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Walter Pienciak = <w.pienciak@ieee.org> wrote:
Yesterday I visited the Berlin Boul= der Project.=C2=A0 (http://www.boulder-project.de/).

It's a 10-minut= e walk from the Sudkreuz train station, and somewhat buried in a repurposed= industrial area, as these gyms often are.=C2=A0 9 euros; they'll rent = the climbing shoes if you don't have a pair (I dragged my shoes and cha= lkbag along on this trip).

Plenty of wallspace, good music to = keep you psyched, indoor AND outdoor areas.=C2=A0 More than enough problems= to get you pumped or spit you off the wall.=C2=A0 ;^)

Walter<= br>

Walter Pienciak
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--f46d0415543632fc4e053818142b-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 15:19:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A95D12D1C1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.617 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.617 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SIFf-dfW_09f for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-f52.google.com (mail-vk0-f52.google.com [209.85.213.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9848D12B00F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-f52.google.com with SMTP id w127so88675474vkh.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:19:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LcegmhwusgQZUDvkZj3JrsLYFPyUiUzszhyFvD8apqs=; b=DuVjLfsTl7oovVcSXHl2vLz2tci5LIbxF+vUwkHuj6RfRD2rhXWCqjezp1Y0fbN8I0 jg8zreFvb2w+lRuOfWLRm6REhO1zhJHDhhrzhaI03TgRkGd1X7gj/u3DwksauQS16tuM q8pJ+lMherwzbnJ+7qkzoLMgtqHbDFeDErOB42ISJNmFJrN0KY+qqLAWrIsgOwMkBkCy zf04EwLnZsv4UapR/Cl048Peai2yGpuNvo77QfKOIzkRcrLGBLtGCGtkQr6peviJq/Hg wt68phZnokTZP5LsPR/6kH5Q+fCMBmFLF+fAt+oyiippPOqBz6IY3d0bd7W8SaDK5Chd Ab2g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJIN8QIDwkzRJq5XxKUdVOgcaRtDKcvizQY4y+y1ue+xePSHM0FLfzWg/IhyJAO67SPsxTuc7g/m1tx4Q== X-Received: by 10.31.79.66 with SMTP id d63mr8558509vkb.96.1469053179618; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:19:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20160720212050.GQ7377@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20160720212050.GQ7377@cisco.com> From: Ignacio Solis Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:19:29 +0000 Message-ID: To: Toerless Eckert , "Livingood, Jason" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114dd640ed6ce50538189886 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:19:45 -0000 --001a114dd640ed6ce50538189886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Random ideas (not all serious): 1. SIM cards: not everybody needs one, but the people that do really appreciate it. I don't think they even have to be free. I think most people would be grateful just to know that they could get one at registration. Do we have any data on how this went at Yokohama? 2. Pins: Part of the side-effect of shirts (which are worn quite a bit at IETF) is to serve as social signals that you've been part of the community for a while. Maybe some people would be happier wearing pins of previous IETFs (maybe on they laniards?) instead of getting more shirts. 3. Stickers for laptops: Same as # 2 above 4. Patches for clothing: Same as #2... though I think patches haven't been popular for a couple of decades 5. Tags: Something that can be attached or displayed to achieve the same as #2. If you think of the tickets you get for sky-lifts and that sort of thing maybe there is some solution that can be combined with our own attendee badges. 6. Hoodies: Maybe this would give a variation on the clothing theme and would deal with potential AC issues. 7. Flip-flops: Could have been more appropriate for Honolulu. 8. Water bottle: We all need to drink 9. Frisbee: You know, for kids 10. Mousepad: Keep at your desk at work... (still have a desk?) 11. Luggage tag: We all travel 12. Airplane pillow: We all travel a lot 13. Flask: We all travel a lot and need help 14. Universal power adapter: We travel to many countries 15. An ethernet crimp tool and/or network cable tester 16. A font: Probably some fixed-width style font, PragmataPro is probably too expensive and we might anyway prefer some open font like Inconsolata. 17. Socks: +1 on my part, but I think they won't be as popular. 18. A bike pant strap: Only part of the membership will care, but maybe it can be multi-purpose and used for other things(?) 19. A t-shirt display case: you know, to showcase all those t-shirts you've collected over the years 20. If you really want to really over-engineer the solution you could get a very good shirt with a modular component(s). Then at each IETF you just give away a new module. Alternatively, you must bring your old shirt and a new module would be applied on site (iron-on patch?) On a more serious note, while I would oppose not having a t-shirt; I would be ok if that price (or any other give-away price/item) is decoupled from the registration. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:20 PM Toerless Eckert wrote: > A couple of IETFs ago when i'd experimented with a remote chairing setup, > we had a video-conf from a sock-puppet as a WG chair with some Greg > Shepherd as > the puppeteer. > > If we ever want to challenge relationships with "serious" standard bodies > i think we should give those to every WG chair and have them be used. > (chairing ANIMA i fear mine would have to be able to move by itself.. > challenging...) > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:01:11PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote: > > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting??? I know t-shirts are > sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt (as > a selectable option) or in addition? > > > > Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his > washing machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been > dropping socks every so often in order to complete each load of laundry on > a timely basis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost socks > but each load of laundry took 2 days to complete). ;-) [Sorry, that is the > best sock-related buffer bloat joke I could come up with, Dave!] > > > > Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? > > > > Thanks > > Jason > > > > On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" < > 96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this point. For future > > IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there > better > > standardization for sock sizes? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114dd640ed6ce50538189886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Random ideas (not all serious):
1. SIM cards: =C2=A0no= t everybody needs one, but the people that do really appreciate it.=C2=A0 I= don't think they even have to be free.=C2=A0 I think most people would= be grateful just to know that they could get one at registration.=C2=A0 Do= we have any data on how this went at Yokohama?
2. Pins: Part of = the side-effect of shirts (which are worn quite a bit at IETF) is to serve = as social signals that you've been part of the community for a while.= =C2=A0 Maybe some people would be happier wearing pins of previous IETFs (m= aybe on they laniards?) instead of getting more shirts.
3. Sticke= rs for laptops: =C2=A0Same as # 2 above
4. Patches for clothing: = Same as #2... though I think patches haven't been popular for a couple = of decades
5. Tags: =C2=A0Something that can be attached or displ= ayed to achieve the same as #2.=C2=A0 If you think of the tickets you get f= or sky-lifts and that sort of thing maybe there is some solution that can b= e combined with our own attendee badges.
6. Hoodies: Maybe this w= ould give a variation on the clothing theme and would deal with potential A= C issues.
7. Flip-flops: =C2=A0Could have been more appropriate f= or Honolulu.
8. Water bottle: =C2=A0We all need to drink
9. Frisbee: You know, for kids
10. Mousepad: Keep at your desk = at work... (still have a desk?)
11. Luggage tag: We all travel
12. Airplane pillow: We all travel a lot
13. Flask: We al= l travel a lot and need help
14. Universal power adapter: We trav= el to many countries
15. An ethernet crimp tool and/or network ca= ble tester
16. A font: Probably some fixed-width style font, Prag= mataPro is probably too expensive and we might anyway prefer some open font= like Inconsolata.
17. Socks:=C2=A0+1 on my part, but I think the= y won't be as popular.
18. A bike pant strap: Only part of th= e membership will care, but maybe it can be multi-purpose and used for othe= r things(?)
19. A t-shirt display case: you know, to showcase all= those t-shirts you've collected over the years
20.=C2=A0If you really want to really over-engineer the = solution you could get a very good shirt with a modular component(s). Then = at each IETF you just give away a new module.=C2=A0 Alternatively, you must= bring your old shirt and a new module would be applied on site (iron-on pa= tch?)


On a more serious note, =C2=A0while I would oppose no= t having a t-shirt; =C2=A0I would be ok if that price (or any other give-aw= ay price/item) is decoupled from the registration.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:20 PM To= erless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com&= gt; wrote:
A couple of IETFs ago wh= en i'd experimented with a remote chairing setup,
we had a video-conf from a sock-puppet as a WG chair with some Greg Shepher= d as
the puppeteer.

If we ever want to challenge relationships with "serious" standar= d bodies
i think we should give those to every WG chair and have them be used.
(chairing ANIMA i fear mine would have to be able to move by itself.. chall= enging...)

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:01:11PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting??? I know t-shirts a= re sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt = (as a selectable option) or in addition?
>
> Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his wash= ing machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been dropping= socks every so often in order to complete each load of laundry on a timely= basis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost socks but each = load of laundry took 2 days to complete). ;-)=C2=A0 [Sorry, that is the bes= t sock-related buffer bloat joke I could come up with, Dave!]
>
> Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? >
> Thanks
> Jason
>
> On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" &l= t;96atten= dees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this poi= nt. For future
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, inste= ad? Is there better
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0standardization for sock sizes?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 96attendees mailing list
> 96attendees@= ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attend= ees

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--001a114dd640ed6ce50538189886-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 15:34:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D9812B010 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w11y0l9bq0IO for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1430E12D505 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 35771 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2016 22:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2016 22:34:13 -0000 Date: 20 Jul 2016 22:33:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20160720223351.2465.qmail@ary.lan> From: ietf@johnlevine.com To: 96attendees@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: isolis@igso.net Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:34:34 -0000 >Random ideas (not all serious): >1. SIM cards: not everybody needs one, but the people that do really >appreciate it. I don't think they even have to be free. I think most >people would be grateful just to know that they could get one at >registration. Do we have any data on how this went at Yokohama? Dunno about Yokohama but I was very happy to get a SIM card in B.A. >7. Flip-flops: Could have been more appropriate for Honolulu. Please be sure the size range includes US size 15 (euro 49). R's, John From nobody Wed Jul 20 15:53:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E846512D1E4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:52:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h000ubJxwa86 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs16.mail.saunalahti.fi (vs16.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.117.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F7B612B00D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vams (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs16.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id 1399520087 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:52:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi [195.197.172.115]) by vs16.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19EE20087 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:52:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [172.18.242.235] (w193-11-200-250.eduroam.sunet.se [193.11.200.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gw01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC92740018 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:52:51 +0300 (EEST) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <20160720223351.2465.qmail@ary.lan> From: Mika Honkanen Message-ID: <578FF2A5.4010606@sci.fi> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:52:37 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160720223351.2465.qmail@ary.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:52:59 -0000 +1 =94Adding a "spend money for good cause" option instead of t-shirt /=20 'conference stuff' might be good too.=94 +1 =94...I almost never wear them: often the sponsor doesn't have time to= =20 really think about the T-shirt thing, and we wind up with a T-shirt=20 that's made of questionable material, is sized wrong, or has an image on=20 it that nobody would be caught dead wearing in public (I'm not going to=20 mention any names, but I'm sure everybody remembers that shirt).=94 +1 =94just send the money to the IETF instead=94 Best Regards, Mika On 21.7.2016 1.33, ietf@johnlevine.com wrote: >> Random ideas (not all serious): >> 1. SIM cards: not everybody needs one, but the people that do really >> appreciate it. I don't think they even have to be free. I think most >> people would be grateful just to know that they could get one at >> registration. Do we have any data on how this went at Yokohama? > Dunno about Yokohama but I was very happy to get a SIM card in B.A. > >> 7. Flip-flops: Could have been more appropriate for Honolulu. > Please be sure the size range includes US size 15 (euro 49). > > R's, > John > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Wed Jul 20 17:03:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323B712D86D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:03:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCVmuC41eAsi for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 141EE12D7B4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:03:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2647; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469059401; x=1470269001; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=77fehlpEy6F0Jyb5VtIZtudtT0TVE1kxgqaraFdS2kI=; b=bJbIEFkNZiYDBZKYdNbXGkHcQ/ui24skefGVKGaJRZt5iK2yvjXpnqYZ tJ7hvxGOh22nAVajh/tcrFWkUArKRu8NqS+dOV6GgyUbVLlNO9Rnwqcu9 2lgf8Y8yaeH5cNS4gpshFHFe17l70E+6boUfU8Eh/WgLothr74bVGfuq6 c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0C3BQBNEJBX/4sNJK1dgz9WfLdqdoF7I?= =?us-ascii?q?oUuSgKBMzoSAQEBAQEBAWUnhFwBAQUBATg0CwULCwcKBAEBAQkeBw8FEx8JDhM?= =?us-ascii?q?biBUOvS0BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEcineHbIIvBY8AiiaGE4VuglcKg?= =?us-ascii?q?WwXN4QLgzCFRJAgJQskhBMcMocnAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,396,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="298851754" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Jul 2016 00:03:20 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6L03JXf006166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:03:20 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6L03J5a020242; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:03:19 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6L03I4q020238; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:03:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:03:18 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Christer Holmberg Message-ID: <20160721000318.GF7377@cisco.com> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D7E76@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D7E76@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Abhijan Bhattacharyya Subject: Re: [96attendees] Want to purchase a foldable bike X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:03:26 -0000 Brompton are the best small foldable bikes. If you like the larger Montague Bikes and can't find them at those closers stores Christer pointed you too, just look at their homepage, they list two stores in Berlin on it. Dahon also had fuller size 26" and 27", but they've seem to have fallen out of fashion in germany (i bought one here couple of years ago). On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 04:31:24PM +0000, Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi, > > There is (or, at least there was last summer) a shop selling the Brompton bikes in Bikini Mall, near the Zoo (read: walking distance from the meeting): > > https://www.bikiniberlin.de/en/ > > The Mall doesn't come up on a google search, though, but the following stores come up: > > http://boxbike.de/ > http://kultrad.net/ > http://www.theurbanmobilitystore.com/ > > Kultrad and The Urban Mobility Store don't seem to be located too far away from the meeting. > > Regards, > > Christer > > > > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abhijan Bhattacharyya > Sent: 19 July 2016 19:20 > To: 96attendees@ietf.org > Subject: [96attendees] Want to purchase a foldable bike > > Hi, > Would like to purchase a foldable bike from here. Something like what the Montague bikes in USA have (https://www.montaguebikes.com/). Any suggestion for nearby shops where I can get it? Not really looking for any online shopping option. > > > Regards > Abhijan Bhattacharyya > Associate Consultant > Scientist, Innovation Lab, Kolkata, India > Tata Consultancy Services > Mailto: abhijan.bhattacharyya@tcs.com > Website: http://www.tcs.com > ____________________________________________ > Experience certainty. IT Services > Business Solutions > Consulting > ____________________________________________ > > =====-----=====-----===== > Notice: The information contained in this e-mail > message and/or attachments to it may contain > confidential or privileged information. If you are > not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, > review, distribution, printing or copying of the > information contained in this e-mail message > and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and > immediately and permanently delete the message > and any attachments. Thank you > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Wed Jul 20 21:09:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC0812D149 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:09:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ULZHacd5gbNC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1D1412D14A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:09:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=11936; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469074148; x=1470283748; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=0OUR9w/MEuR3nVBGci39IN8CC7CSCnIeScqtb/3Sac8=; b=jHMRO8Ye6z5Nb7R1YfJnzgho9miw66fPv51m2LBflJlBXvVF6yArR5WB QTjs/peLmrha7K6qyj+DqTz+GKJR2A78oR3t5UngtF3rf8dGpPv4pwkjA d1GAL5KWEXOyfNymqxDyZ/6K1e6adlat5D9Pph/GalMS2ueWh+6VClgS6 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CsHQC9SZBX/4sNJK1cAYM/Vi1PrEaHF?= =?us-ascii?q?4Z/IoUuSgKBNTsRAQEBAQEBAWUnhF0BBQEBZgYEBxACAQgOChkCAgoHIQYLFBE?= =?us-ascii?q?CBA4FFAeHewMXDrkWDYQJAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBFwWGKoF4gVKBA?= =?us-ascii?q?4JDgWMKbQGCToIvBZhxNAGJD4M2giCPOoglh3oBNCCDc26HWAEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,397,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="298906548" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Jul 2016 04:09:07 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (xch-rcd-004.cisco.com [173.37.102.14]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6L497an019445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:09:07 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-RCD-004.cisco.com (173.37.102.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:09:06 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:09:06 -0500 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: Ignacio Solis Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) Thread-Index: AQHR4rCzTjOWzv9izkiUQknEMF/bFKAiJ50AgAAQY4CAAA3elQ== Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:09:06 +0000 Message-ID: <54C02DAD-44BD-48D0-831B-2214CD94C53D@cisco.com> References: <20160720212050.GQ7377@cisco.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_54C02DAD44BD48D0831B2214CD94C53Dciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Toerless Eckert \(eckert\)" , "Livingood, Jason" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:09:11 -0000 --_000_54C02DAD44BD48D0831B2214CD94C53Dciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope. I like the t-shirt. On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:19 AM, Ignacio Solis > wrote: Random ideas (not all serious): 1. SIM cards: not everybody needs one, but the people that do really appre= ciate it. I don't think they even have to be free. I think most people wo= uld be grateful just to know that they could get one at registration. Do w= e have any data on how this went at Yokohama? 2. Pins: Part of the side-effect of shirts (which are worn quite a bit at I= ETF) is to serve as social signals that you've been part of the community f= or a while. Maybe some people would be happier wearing pins of previous IE= TFs (maybe on they laniards?) instead of getting more shirts. 3. Stickers for laptops: Same as # 2 above 4. Patches for clothing: Same as #2... though I think patches haven't been = popular for a couple of decades 5. Tags: Something that can be attached or displayed to achieve the same a= s #2. If you think of the tickets you get for sky-lifts and that sort of t= hing maybe there is some solution that can be combined with our own attende= e badges. 6. Hoodies: Maybe this would give a variation on the clothing theme and wou= ld deal with potential AC issues. 7. Flip-flops: Could have been more appropriate for Honolulu. 8. Water bottle: We all need to drink 9. Frisbee: You know, for kids 10. Mousepad: Keep at your desk at work... (still have a desk?) 11. Luggage tag: We all travel 12. Airplane pillow: We all travel a lot 13. Flask: We all travel a lot and need help 14. Universal power adapter: We travel to many countries 15. An ethernet crimp tool and/or network cable tester 16. A font: Probably some fixed-width style font, PragmataPro is probably t= oo expensive and we might anyway prefer some open font like Inconsolata. 17. Socks: +1 on my part, but I think they won't be as popular. 18. A bike pant strap: Only part of the membership will care, but maybe it = can be multi-purpose and used for other things(?) 19. A t-shirt display case: you know, to showcase all those t-shirts you've= collected over the years 20. If you really want to really over-engineer the solution you could get a= very good shirt with a modular component(s). Then at each IETF you just gi= ve away a new module. Alternatively, you must bring your old shirt and a n= ew module would be applied on site (iron-on patch?) On a more serious note, while I would oppose not having a t-shirt; I woul= d be ok if that price (or any other give-away price/item) is decoupled from= the registration. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:20 PM Toerless Eckert > wrote: A couple of IETFs ago when i'd experimented with a remote chairing setup, we had a video-conf from a sock-puppet as a WG chair with some Greg Shepher= d as the puppeteer. If we ever want to challenge relationships with "serious" standard bodies i think we should give those to every WG chair and have them be used. (chairing ANIMA i fear mine would have to be able to move by itself.. chall= enging...) On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:01:11PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote: > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting??? I know t-shirts are = sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt (as= a selectable option) or in addition? > > Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his washing= machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been dropping so= cks every so often in order to complete each load of laundry on a timely ba= sis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost socks but each loa= d of laundry took 2 days to complete). ;-) [Sorry, that is the best sock-r= elated buffer bloat joke I could come up with, Dave!] > > Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? > > Thanks > Jason > > On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" <96attendees-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@= gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this point. For future > IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there bette= r > standardization for sock sizes? > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_54C02DAD44BD48D0831B2214CD94C53Dciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope. I like the t-shirt.
Random ideas (not all serious):
1. SIM cards:  not everybody needs one, but the people that do re= ally appreciate it.  I don't think they even have to be free.  I = think most people would be grateful just to know that they could get one at= registration.  Do we have any data on how this went at Yokohama?
2. Pins: Part of the side-effect of shirts (which are worn quite a bit= at IETF) is to serve as social signals that you've been part of the commun= ity for a while.  Maybe some people would be happier wearing pins of p= revious IETFs (maybe on they laniards?) instead of getting more shirts.
3. Stickers for laptops:  Same as # 2 above
4. Patches for clothing: Same as #2... though I think patches haven't = been popular for a couple of decades
5. Tags:  Something that can be attached or displayed to achieve = the same as #2.  If you think of the tickets you get for sky-lifts and= that sort of thing maybe there is some solution that can be combined with = our own attendee badges.
6. Hoodies: Maybe this would give a variation on the clothing theme an= d would deal with potential AC issues.
7. Flip-flops:  Could have been more appropriate for Honolulu.
8. Water bottle:  We all need to drink
9. Frisbee: You know, for kids
10. Mousepad: Keep at your desk at work... (still have a desk?)
11. Luggage tag: We all travel
12. Airplane pillow: We all travel a lot
13. Flask: We all travel a lot and need help
14. Universal power adapter: We travel to many countries
15. An ethernet crimp tool and/or network cable tester
16. A font: Probably some fixed-width style font, PragmataPro is proba= bly too expensive and we might anyway prefer some open font like Inconsolat= a.
17. Socks: +1 on my part, but I think they won't be as popula= r.
18. A bike pant strap: Only part of the membership will care, but mayb= e it can be multi-purpose and used for other things(?)
19. A t-shirt display case: you know, to showcase all those t-shirts y= ou've collected over the years
20. If you really want to really = over-engineer the solution you could get a very good shirt with a modular c= omponent(s). Then at each IETF you just give away a new module.  Alter= natively, you must bring your old shirt and a new module would be applied on site (iron-on patch?)


On a more serious note,  while I would oppose not having a t-shir= t;  I would be ok if that price (or any other give-away price/item) is= decoupled from the registration.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:20 PM Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> wrote:
A couple of IETFs ago when i'd experimented with a remote chairing setup, we had a video-conf from a sock-puppet as a WG chair with some Greg Shepher= d as
the puppeteer.

If we ever want to challenge relationships with "serious" standar= d bodies
i think we should give those to every WG chair and have them be used.
(chairing ANIMA i fear mine would have to be able to move by itself.. chall= enging...)

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 06:01:11PM +0000, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting??? I know t-shirts a= re sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt = (as a selectable option) or in addition?
>
> Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his wash= ing machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been dropping= socks every so often in order to complete each load of laundry on a timely= basis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost socks but each load of laundry took 2 days to com= plete). ;-)  [Sorry, that is the best sock-related buffer bloat joke I= could come up with, Dave!]
>
> Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? >
> Thanks
> Jason
>
> On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" &l= t;96atten= dees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.co= m> wrote:
>
>     I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this poi= nt. For future
>     IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, inste= ad? Is there better
>     standardization for sock sizes?
>
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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR0501MB1815; H:BY2PR0501MB1814.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2F0E67B48A4D47608A21725DB026ADA4junipernet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 21 Jul 2016 06:14:24.7709 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0501MB1815 Archived-At: Cc: EXT - heas , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Livingood, Jason" , Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:14:30 -0000 --_000_2F0E67B48A4D47608A21725DB026ADA4junipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Ted Lemon > wrote: I personally would be happy if there were no T-shirt, because the peer pres= sure to take the things is intense, but then I almost never wear them: ofte= n the sponsor doesn't have time to really think about the T-shirt thing, an= d we wind up with a T-shirt that's made of questionable material, is sized = wrong, or has an image on it that nobody would be caught dead wearing in pu= blic (I'm not going to mention any names, but I'm sure everybody remembers = that shirt). In this case, the best answer is to not request one on your registration. = This creates the numbers that causes the host to place an order. :-) I'll outright admit that if the t-shirt isn't a "good" shirt, I'll simply n= ot pick one up. Mostly this is because it's a design that's not to my pref= erences or an okay design that has so much vendor logo displayed on it I fe= el like a NASCAR driver. Having been through this process once, it might be reasonable to try to get= the artwork - or at least late concepts - out to the IETF membership prior= to registration so you know whether you'd want one or not. In our case we= moved at a reasonable enough pace that we could have done this. I would also support disclosing up front the intended brand of the shirt to= help with sizing. We had discussed putting this as a pop-up on the regist= ration page, but our timing was too close to registration opening and could= n't take the hit on the programming time. -- Jeff --_000_2F0E67B48A4D47608A21725DB026ADA4junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <12F5275C267DDB4390C7E82A9FD83390@namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

I personally would be happy if there were no T-shirt, because the peer press= ure to take the things is intense, but then I almost never wear them: often= the sponsor doesn't have time to really think about the T-shirt thing, and= we wind up with a T-shirt that's made of questionable material, is sized wrong, or has an image on it that = nobody would be caught dead wearing in public (I'm not going to mention any= names, but I'm sure everybody remembers that shirt).

In this case, the best answer is to not request one on your= registration.  This creates the numbers that causes the host to place= an order. :-)

I'll outright admit that if the t-shirt isn't a "good&= quot; shirt, I'll simply not pick one up.  Mostly this is because it's= a design that's not to my preferences or an okay design that has so much v= endor logo displayed on it I feel like a NASCAR driver.

Having been through this process once, it might be reasonab= le to try to get the artwork - or at least late concepts - out to the IETF = membership prior to registration so you know whether you'd want one or not.=  In our case we moved at a reasonable enough pace that we could have done this.

I would also support disclosing up front the intended brand= of the shirt to help with sizing.  We had discussed putting this as a= pop-up on the registration page, but our timing was too close to registrat= ion opening and couldn't take the hit on the programming time.

-- Jeff

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I'm expecting about 10 presentations so it looks like it should last a bit more than an hour. We'll be in Charlottenberg II/III. There will be a cash bar by the room with beer/wine/sodas. Hope to see you there. -aaron On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 6:00 PM Aaron Falk wrote: > Good news! The secretariat is giving us a room. (Thanks, Stephanie, you > guys rock!) I don=E2=80=99t know which room yet, but this thing is happe= ning. I > have five presentations so far, still room for more... > > "Social Media, Confirmation Bias, and the Rise of the F-word=E2=80=9D - D= an > Harkins > =E2=80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe > =E2=80=9CSay it slowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - Tim Wicinski & mystery gu= est > =E2=80=9COld White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich Salz > Title TBD - Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo > > =E2=80=94aaron > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: > > Hey Folks- > > I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please send > me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if the > secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2= =80=A6 watch > this space. > > =E2=80=94aaron > > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > > *Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha* > Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD > > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in > Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on the > screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk lasting > for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- t= o > be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a > IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not > mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social event. (It will be > BYOB.) > > Format Details: > > - Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first > served. > - To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to > aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive confirmation. > - Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 > slides, primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds= ). > There are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a g= ood > Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 > ], > [3 ]. > > -- --aaron =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DShort message from my phone=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --001a113e40b88331f105381f75b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a reminder that this is happening tonight and is open= to all.=C2=A0 I'm expecting about 10 presentations so it looks like it= should last a bit more than an hour.=C2=A0 We'll be in Charlottenberg = II/III. =C2=A0 There will be a cash bar by the room with beer/wine/sodas.
Hope to see you there.

-aaron
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at = 6:00 PM Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@g= mail.com> wrote:
Good news!=C2=A0 The secretariat is giving us a r= oom. (Thanks, Stephanie, you guys rock!) =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t know which r= oom yet, but this thing is happening.=C2=A0 I have five presentations so fa= r, still room for more...
"Social Media, Confirmation B= ias, and the Rise of the F-word=E2=80=9D -=C2=A0Dan Ha= rkins
=E2=80=9CInternet Mythology=E2=80=9D - Bob Briscoe
=E2=80=9CSay it slowly, Aaron, D-N-S=E2=80=9D - Tim=C2=A0Wicinski & m= ystery guest
=E2=80=9COld White Guys Slide Show=E2=80=9D - Rich S= alz
Title TBD - =C2=A0Cao Zhen, Jing Zuo

=E2=80=94aaron
On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

=
Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin.=C2=A0 = See below.=C2=A0 Please send me an email if you want to participate.=C2=A0 = The event will happen if the secretariat gives me a room and we get a criti= cal mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space.

=E2=80=94aaron
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Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha=
Thursday evening at 22:30 in room=C2=A0TBD=C2=A0=C2=A0

A=C2=A0Pe= cha Kucha=C2=A0is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in Japa= n, where a speaker presents 20 image-only=C2=A0slides that are each on the = screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically.=C2=A0 With each talk lasti= ng for 6:40, it has the feature=C2=A0of forcing presentations -- good or ba= d -- to be focused and brief.=C2=A0 This is an unofficial event.=C2=A0The t= opic should be a IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, a= lthough not mean-spirited.=C2=A0 Anyone can participate in this social even= t. (It=C2=A0will be BYOB.) =C2=A0
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Format Details:
    Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to=C2= =A0aaron.falk@gma= il.com=C2=A0and receive confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to = adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, primarily image-only, automati= cally advancing=C2=A0every 20 seconds).=C2=A0 There are lots of online tuto= rials and suggestions for how to make a good Pecha Kucha.=C2=A0 Here are a = few: [1], [2], [3].=C2=A0
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--001a113e40b88331f105381f75b1-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 01:32:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8335612DB7D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LX2bMvmBgeUv for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:cfab]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB59712B02A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4407F10BCD for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:32:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KaKlgb2qYf2q for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (dhcp-b2a2.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.178.162]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C0CB10D3F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:32:25 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160721083224.GA1532@mx2.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Nice feature of the venue set up X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:32:30 -0000 Hi, This is something that I noticed here a couple times and thought it worth mentioning. Most meeting venues use conference-hall chairs with the little link-together wings on them. So when you sit in one of the chairs, you're hard up against the next chair, and if you need to climb out from the middle of a row you have to clamber over everyone. The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the chairs. There were two results. First, speaking as a fat man, I didn't feel crowded all the time. Second, at least in the back row, if you needed to clamber out you could just move your chair out of the way. This is better. Thank you. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Thu Jul 21 01:44:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C2E12DAE7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:44:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.186 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RGzkL-bfHyLL for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tpip.net (mail.tpip.net [92.43.49.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27C3612DC03 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.tpip.net (office.tpip.net [92.43.51.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79A224F404; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298BA292A; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:43:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from office.tpip.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (office.tpip.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id UcGkKyBB4ykV; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBF2A2941; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:43:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tpip.net Received: from office.tpip.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (office.tpip.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ZtEv0tcJXTsH; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:43:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from office.tpip.net (office.tpip.net [92.43.51.2]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB71A292A; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:43:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:43:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Kostas Pentikousis To: Andrew Sullivan , <96attendees@ietf.org> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20160721083224.GA1532@mx2.yitter.info> References: <20160721083224.GA1532@mx2.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41316_144578208.1469090630630" X-Mailer: Outlook for iOS and Android X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.7.0_GA_1659 (MobileSync - Outlook-iOS-Android/1.0) Thread-Topic: Nice feature of the venue set up Thread-Index: xGReWG3n8vS2+UXAGwkMfoPo5Ijwtw== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Nice feature of the venue set up X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:44:09 -0000 ------=_Part_41316_144578208.1469090630630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the | chairs. There were two results. First, speaking as a fat man, I | didn't feel crowded all the time. Second, at least in the back row, | if you needed to clamber out you could just move your chair out of the | way. | | This is better. Thank you. +1Kostas Hi, This is something that I noticed here a couple times and thought it worth mentioning. Most meeting venues use conference-hall chairs with the little link-together wings on them. So when you sit in one of the chairs, you're hard up against the next chair, and if you need to climb out from the middle of a row you have to clamber over everyone. The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the chairs. There were two results. First, speaking as a fat man, I didn't feel crowded all the time. Second, at least in the back row, if you needed to clamber out you could just move your chair out of the way. This is better. Thank you. 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| The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-thi= ngs out on the
| chairs. There were two results. First, speaking as a = fat man, I
| didn't feel crowded all the time. Second, at least in the = back row,
| if you needed to clamber out you could just move your chair = out of the
| way.
|
| This is better. Thank you.
+1
Kostas
=09

Hi,

This is something that I noticed here a couple times and thought it
worth mentioning.

Most meeting venues use conference-hall chairs with the little
link-together wings on them.  So when you sit in one of the chairs= ,
you're hard up against the next chair, and if you need to climb out
from the middle of a row you have to clamber over everyone.

The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the
chairs.  There were two results.  First, speaking as a fat ma= n, I
didn't feel crowded all the time.  Second, at least in the back ro= w,
if you needed to clamber out you could just move your chair out of the
way.

This is better.  Thank you.

A

--=20
Andrew Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrusden.com

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Thank you. >=20 hear hear! 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([2001:67c:370:176:2959:d34:f656:f76f]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o10sm1341049lfo.47.2016.07.21.01.49.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:49:09 -0700 (PDT) References: <20160721083224.GA1532@mx2.yitter.info> To: Daniel Shaw , 96attendees@ietf.org From: "Carlos M. Martinez" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:49:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Nice feature of the venue set up X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:49:22 -0000 Indeed! On 7/21/16 10:45 AM, Daniel Shaw wrote: > >> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:32 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> >> The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the >> chairs. > >> This is better. Thank you. >> > > hear hear! > (+1) > > - Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Thu Jul 21 01:51:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA8312DC1C for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.026 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_GREY=0.424] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h_l9GVsCqJG7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x231.google.com (mail-lf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9042B12DB53 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id g62so55398609lfe.3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:50:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:subject:references:to:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QNligL9Fx5aj7r5n13jMIQhVlWqj79bHkFZm/rib0/I=; b=kCWs7vlrSDHnoCt8BRf8Rp/lUT5apGeW0dPq/Ps+UG3n2ZbbiLljKR6XGPgD9wXSsN l7WeLrQMF/IWDnHaFanyT9Qw9SrMx6RXkSYT3Zf6k44h/qxXfEs6G447jB75sxB7+AFs lDuK/qMRY20+aGesl+5s1o4OU7rRlY/Y53gb/clBwu+S9f4cKzjZIuE8gYxJ7N4PxmJ7 2GCvLLroXcxMO8VO68SQSAr3R1XayY3hKBAkfHdICoDFLhh75M44vFh47xpITIqHzri8 JbGXWuJxnSIbAQ/0/bepzu0lqz/QA4gJxY/kA+xCeBYR0Z/S5VcrTIvoQoxD+kVyOJXW TOmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QNligL9Fx5aj7r5n13jMIQhVlWqj79bHkFZm/rib0/I=; b=aMuGxiGnx76TqJ2yQOccVXLRRt+1cMabDPxixaCbz36q1o4Egw3w8X7dSyHSY9PZB+ VX8YfnHMF3JKrw9JKqHt1uBu/9d9nMQ82YevlOoTLvUExmyfyRCNtaM1/XY6/TMoQay0 9RYCJROV+W6MwWWevvKV8gPPeQzvJX8xTPcS5qMHu7jYtVPgFnyvNGjYdQ2rDcLQmfXi AotzR15pXO1SG4MK0OaVuyXyyZ0ZDNExmxI4v3Y4gnIjXewZdqL2QX9/UHUyR1xvw2t+ Xu+uU0y40EJpQRnlv5A9Q5sVut93bKkfNxe9poryhYsbImiqUnwXwFC9I8i19hOMcbqQ rqOA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJTe2mzk/aOMIZfWIcx/Q+8qCd1/YuP/3OJbOEcxDopiiJXWffSJG8POx3bNsSVqg== X-Received: by 10.46.0.204 with SMTP id e73mr11955524lji.56.1469091056448; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:2959:d34:f656:f76f? ([2001:67c:370:176:2959:d34:f656:f76f]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o10sm1343514lfo.47.2016.07.21.01.50.55 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:50:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <4B6A8F54-F297-40BD-B359-19471643775D@juniper.net> <62306DDD-F8AB-40A7-91CE-784FD0D44D44@haw-hamburg.de> To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> From: "Carlos M. Martinez" Message-ID: <6cb194cf-759c-2520-44d7-d8621cb71698@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:50:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <62306DDD-F8AB-40A7-91CE-784FD0D44D44@haw-hamburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] IETF-96 T-shirt size survey X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:51:01 -0000 Regarding sizes, there is always two ways of seeing things. As a big man, I appreciated the larger T-Shirts. tks! -C. On 7/20/16 9:22 AM, Sebastian Meiling wrote: > Hey Jeff, > and all, > > as Mike, I think (valid) options are missing - or at least you may miss out on some cases. > > For instance, I knew IETF shirts are often a bit larger, so I requested a size M shirt in advance, picked up a size M - and (un?)surprisingly it was still too large :/ But, I also marked option "Expected shirt to be smaller", so it should count ... > > --- > > Anyway, no hard feelings. I'm happy having something to take home and remember IETF96 - in addition to WG meetings, discussions and so on ... > > Best, > Sebastian > >> Am 20.07.2016 um 00:57 schrieb Jeff Haas : >> >> Please use the option "Expected shirt to be smaller". >> >> For example, if you asked for a XL and was given an L, you expected the shirt to be smaller. I believe the staff handing out the shirts figured out things were larger than expected and adapted for you. But the answer we want to track was the shirt you would have gotten was too big. >> >> -- Jeff >> >>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:23 AM, Mike Bishop wrote: >>> >>> #3 needs an extra option as noted by others in that thread, the shirt I was given was a size smaller than the size I requested (and fits just right). >>> >>> From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Haas >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:20 PM >>> To: 96attendees@ietf.org >>> Subject: [96attendees] IETF-96 T-shirt size survey >>> >>> As noted in the thread titled "T-Shirts", as the responsible party for the host group for handling the IETF 96 t-shirt order, I'd like to gather some data as to how your experience worked for this IETF's t-shirt. >>> >>> This survey is being run using surveymonkey at the following URL: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/W78NX5F >>> >>> The answers to the three questions in the survey will be used to help future hosts and the IETF meeting planners make more informed decisions when placing t-shirt orders. >>> >>> Thanks for your participation. >>> >>> -- Jeff (for the host group) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Thu Jul 21 01:57:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8908512DC12 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:57:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Gx8JTX8G3qR for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3385D12B017 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u6L8vGcR030352 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:57:16 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4764E20464D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE11204634 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [132.166.84.1] ([132.166.84.1]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u6L8vFu3011643 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:57:16 +0200 To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:57:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms010104040207030806040708" Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:57:20 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010104040207030806040708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I was happy to walk by DIN building at the DIN Plaza, near the meeting=20 venue. Among others, the DIN 21 number, aka ASA 100 or now ISO 100 - is a=20 sensitivity sure to produce clean images. I wonder what are the two persons represented by statues at its entrance = known for? 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<18566.1468920929@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <5AA45E06-8AC5-411F-8E35-FC1E9DF26373@beuth-hochschule.de> <578F2B46.1020801@tuwien.ac.at> From: Juan Carlos Zuniga Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:02:47 +0200 Message-ID: To: joachim.fabini@tuwien.ac.at Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148d31efdaec605382194fb Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Wash-and-fold? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:02:54 -0000 --001a1148d31efdaec605382194fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW, I paid a visit to Wilmas TopClean and I was politely told that the wash-and-fold service was available but it takes one week to get it back because they send it "to the factory." Not sure where the "factory" is, but unfortunately this is not an option, at least for me. Jc On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Joachim Fabini wrote: > Btw, another option: this morning I saw a tiny one at the crossing of > Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe and Bayreuther Stra=C3=9Fe - about 5min walkin= g from > Intercontinental. Walk out of Interc., follow Wichmannstra=C3=9Fe, turn r= ight > on Keithstra=C3=9Fe, follow til the crossing with Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3= =9Fe. Cross > Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe and turn right. You can't miss it - TopClean > Textilpflege GmbH & Co. KG, Bayreuther Str. 44, 10787 Berlin > > http://www.wilmas-waeschekorb.de/ has an exact map and price list > (german only). > > hih > Joachim > > On 2016-07-20 06:53, Thomas Scheffler wrote: > > There is advertising all over the City for an App-based service: > https://www.zipjet.de/en/berlin > > > > I have not used it myself. But it sounds to me like the perfect service > for people staying in hotels... > > I would be interested to know if it works as advertised... > > > > Thomas > > > > Am 20.07.2016 um 01:17 schrieb Diego Dujovne : > > > >> Michael, > >> Today I went to verify if this shop still existed: > >> I found it on Google Street view, but, to my surprise, the > >> image dated from 2008. > >> The shop was gone, together with the small market and > >> a cafe. Now there is an Art Gallery there. > >> I would like to present my apologies on this matter. I remembered > >> the place and since I found it online, I hoped it was still available. > >> I am used to take into account Street view photos since in > >> my city they have photographed it 9 times between 2012 > >> and 2015 (last one: Oct 2015). > >> Regards, > >> > >> Diego > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Michael Richardson > wrote: > >> Elwyn Davies wrote: > >> > not tried myself, it is close to Keithstrasse 37, > >> > on the opposite side of the Lutzow hotel. > >> > >> > We used this place last time the IETF was in Berlin and it did t= he > >> > business. > >> > >> I couldn't find it. > >> > >> I asked at the Lutzow hotel reception, and maybe they gave me wrong > >> directions. They told me to exit, turn left, and then take the second > right, > >> which took me out to the main street, and I found no laundrymat/etc. > >> > >> There is no Keithstrasse 37 (33 on one side, 39 on the other side of > that > >> street, even numbers on the other side). I took the "close" to mean > >> somewhere on that corner. > >> > >> so... can you give me better directions? > >> > >> -- > >> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > >> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network > architect [ > >> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a1148d31efdaec605382194fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FWIW, I paid a visit to Wilmas TopClean and I was politely= told that the wash-and-fold service was available but it takes one week to= get it back because they send it "to the factory."

Not sure where the "factory" is, but unfortunately this is = not an option, at least for me.

Jc=C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 = at 9:41 AM, Joachim Fabini <joachim.fabini@tuwien.ac.at><= /span> wrote:
Btw, another option: this m= orning I saw a tiny one at the crossing of
Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe and Bayreuther Stra=C3=9Fe - about 5min walking = from
Intercontinental. Walk out of Interc., follow Wichmannstra=C3=9Fe, turn rig= ht
on Keithstra=C3=9Fe, follow til the crossing with Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9F= e. Cross
Kurf=C3=BCrstenstra=C3=9Fe and turn right. You can't miss it - TopClean=
Textilpflege GmbH & Co. KG, Bayreuther Str. 44, 10787 Berlin

http://www.wilmas-waeschekorb.de/ has an exact map and price li= st
(german only).

hih
Joachim

On 2016-07-20 06:53, Thomas Scheffler wrote:
> There is advertising all over the City for an App-based service: https://www.zipjet.de/en/berlin
>
> I have not used it myself. But it sounds to me like the perfect servic= e for people staying in hotels...
> I would be interested to know if it works as advertised...
>
> Thomas
>
> Am 20.07.2016 um 01:17 schrieb Diego Dujovne <diego.dujovne@gmail.com>:
>
>> Michael,
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Today I went= to verify if this shop still existed:
>> I found it on Google Street view, but, to my surprise, the
>> image dated from 2008.
>> The shop was gone, together with the small market and
>> a cafe. Now there is an Art Gallery there.
>> I would like to present my apologies on this matter. I remembered<= br> >> the place and since I found it online, I hoped it was still availa= ble.
>> I am used to take into account Street view photos since in
>> my city they have photographed it 9 times between 2012
>> and 2015 (last one: Oct 2015).
>> Regards,
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Diego
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>> Elwyn Davies <davieseb@= scss.tcd.ie> wrote:
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not tried myself, it is= close to Keithstrasse 37,
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on the opposite side of= the Lutzow hotel.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> We used this place last time the IETF was = in Berlin and it did the
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> business.
>>
>> I couldn't find it.
>>
>> I asked at the Lutzow hotel reception, and maybe they gave me wron= g
>> directions. They told me to exit, turn left, and then take the sec= ond right,
>> which took me out to the main street, and I found no laundrymat/et= c.
>>
>> There is no Keithstrasse 37 (33 on one side, 39 on the other side = of that
>> street, even numbers on the other side).=C2=A0 I took the "cl= ose" to mean
>> somewhere on that corner.
>>
>> so... can you give me better directions?
>>
>> --
>> ]=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Never tell= me the odds!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= | ipv6 mesh networks [
>> ]=C2=A0 =C2=A0Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | network architect=C2=A0 [
>> ]=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mcr@sande= lman.ca=C2=A0 http://www.sandelman.ca/=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |= =C2=A0 =C2=A0ruby on rails=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96a= ttendees
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--001a1148d31efdaec605382194fb-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:06:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA8D12DC24 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NIV9nZa-5Gzh for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.stillroot.org (mail.stillroot.org [176.9.132.253]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1907212DBEA for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F48D41E21; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:06:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ba.stillroot.org Received: from mail.stillroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.stillroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sTcUKfavfL95; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hobbykeller.org (dhcp-b132.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.50]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FB6A41FE4; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:05:54 +0200 From: Oleg Hahm To: Alexandre PETRESCU Message-ID: <20160721090554.GC13517@hobbykeller.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eRtJSFbw+EEWtPj3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:06:35 -0000 --eRtJSFbw+EEWtPj3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Alexandre, On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:57:15AM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: > I wonder what are the two persons represented by statues at its entrance > known for? I guess you're talking about these statues: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Humboldt_W,_Beuth,_DIN_Berlin.jpg The persons are Wilhelm von Humboldt [1], a famous German linguist and philosopher and older brother of Alexander von Humboldt and Christian Peter Wilhelm Beuth [2], a Prussian statesman. 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Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:11:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.29.71 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:11:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:11:16 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Livingood, Jason" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:11:39 -0000 Jason, mnot pointed out once that these classy webcam covers (better than post-its or those sliding shutter thingies) are brandable and quite neat: https://spishutter.myshopify.com/ (I suspect since they're magnetic they may not work on some laptops, so maybe not the best idea.) There are also things like "USB condoms" (sorry, but that's what they're often called!) that ensure no data can fly across a USB interface and just power will charge a device... e.g.,: http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/ (these are also small and useful) Universal plug adapters could be cool too! I would recommend against small battery power packs as, damn, I have like 20 of those: https://twitter.com/joebeone/status/729336512404410368 best, Joe On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote: > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting=E2=80=A6 I know t-shirt= s are sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shi= rt (as a selectable option) or in addition? > > Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his washing= machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been dropping so= cks every so often in order to complete each load of laundry on a timely ba= sis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost socks but each loa= d of laundry took 2 days to complete). ;-) [Sorry, that is the best sock-r= elated buffer bloat joke I could come up with, Dave!] > > Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? > > Thanks > Jason > > On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" <96attendees-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this point. For future > IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there bette= r > standardization for sock sizes? > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --=20 Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:13:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D811D12DC4E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ETlE3eqQFmg0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDEFF12DC49 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06E61E5D89 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id um49aO0q_5G6 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b3f2.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b3f2.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.179.242]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4E9E81E5D88 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:13:28 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sendlaterdate: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:13:28 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20160721083224.GA1532@mx2.yitter.info> To: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Nice feature of the venue set up X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:13:36 -0000 I=92m glad that everyone is enjoying the chairs at this venue =97we = certainly prefer them unshackled as well. One thing to keep in mind is = that it=92s not always an option; some venues insist on linked chairs = due to fire regulations. However, whenever possible, we will opt for the unlinked chair = configuration. Alexa On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:49 AM, Carlos M. Martinez = wrote: > Indeed! >=20 > On 7/21/16 10:45 AM, Daniel Shaw wrote: >>=20 >>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:32 AM, Andrew Sullivan = wrote: >>>=20 >>> The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the >>> chairs. =20 >>=20 >>> This is better. Thank you. >>>=20 >>=20 >> hear hear! >> (+1) >>=20 >> - Daniel >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:16:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC5212DBDD for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lTJBMB-QFBe8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3952812D0AC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id o80so17164538wme.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:16:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=QnTYrGNLBYDMu7TOabH+JkDv5lgJW5DO99ZZ5bZqfqY=; b=W1anLHgjODSUZtfVsCjywd3m+06KTlG4623OIV85pjMstF5VUpHClSi56O6AF88vYj GBX5txed2icWtyUlC1QfF+ruVAVodH+zY/3wUwuBXhnZTuF4LbE0c322ul6hhr7x+tUg TyDoM3Z4zQpU2qcrkUbzNMLL/Jl7WlX13wNoSrdy5vN8dMuy+33sRxshGA01Lg1K1tR3 DOWDuurMgncsjAQr4zqdAP4Wvfm8pBW2jmDsIWP0gjXIzrMI0BrKhesV/SGDfSt4yPGW FxOpnQeQqqaIb1oq9U3z5uQh8NNNV+xRuCh40zqCUB976uQ+Tfi5Jfbjt0BCY0NmVfwE iljQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=QnTYrGNLBYDMu7TOabH+JkDv5lgJW5DO99ZZ5bZqfqY=; b=jbsVGxot54qSTcFFpDuyhLwQCvg91mtdTZheMcWEBulbtMzktoMHVhoj7J9SsY5uKN PLkVJ/F6XxIJ8DKANoePk7nF4MvDi8cpm/s1ra2hlWhMDopW2LN0FdyURtxqeo0Fq0vS Ju7eP7aODu08ndZU/JzM8hzyUKgrU3rYDT3oOFtXCFQqIIDoa0URfbTwUh+mJpcbfgIm 07Ume/MzS0Z+E6OgjVxTAR3lJdpheLBhkltLCUFCg2Nas21lQuNsEca2a3CR39gaX6GE H90T2ckxQQO2Fj9QQBg2iN1NHGL7gL1mNdNDUdFMmFomTJdLD11RwnBNlbJX0+7yETZR CtKg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKNEbQz6D1ME71QM3bYeJpQgZ47TjC/pJEwSv/3xPe5nHN8LZ2jswlQ2tcz7RAo/g== X-Received: by 10.28.199.4 with SMTP id x4mr15475087wmf.70.1469092607796; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:176:d944:928c:8fa2:7070? ([2001:67c:370:176:d944:928c:8fa2:7070]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f187sm2410347wmf.15.2016.07.21.02.16.46 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:16:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3B6C91D6-848A-4D7D-A98C-1E2253033A80@gmail.com> References: To: "Livingood, Jason" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:16:51 -0000 Since no-one else mentioned them, baseball caps are also a common = giveaway. And brandable. Yoav= From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:18:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD78712D0AC for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:18:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wWSf4IOE6onH for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [199.6.1.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5710C12DAE3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C05C1FCAB3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC37416006B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DE7160054 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id cyKdDfWVHzb4 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dhcp-b14e.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b14e.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.78]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A8B116003F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:18:17 +0000 (UTC) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <3B6C91D6-848A-4D7D-A98C-1E2253033A80@gmail.com> From: Ray Bellis Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:18:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3B6C91D6-848A-4D7D-A98C-1E2253033A80@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:18:27 -0000 On 21/07/2016 11:16, Yoav Nir wrote: > Since no-one else mentioned them, baseball caps are also a common giveaway. And brandable. Please, no! 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On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 02:13:28AM -0700, Alexa Morris wrote: > I?m glad that everyone is enjoying the chairs at this venue ?we certainly prefer them unshackled as well. One thing to keep in mind is that it?s not always an option; some venues insist on linked chairs due to fire regulations. > > However, whenever possible, we will opt for the unlinked chair configuration. > > Alexa > > On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:49 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > > > Indeed! > > > > On 7/21/16 10:45 AM, Daniel Shaw wrote: > >> > >>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:32 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > >>> > >>> The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the > >>> chairs. > >> > >>> This is better. Thank you. > >>> > >> > >> hear hear! > >> (+1) > >> > >> - Daniel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> 96attendees mailing list > >> 96attendees@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 96attendees mailing list > > 96attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > ---------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:21:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C621112DC2D for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.186 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AZ22XwUEOXdT for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cirse-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69EA012D0AC for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse.extra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.4) with ESMTP id u6L9L5U7031032; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:21:05 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D77B20281A; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D29F202082; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [132.166.84.1] ([132.166.84.1]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id u6L9L4Zr025501; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:21:05 +0200 To: N.Leymann@telekom.de, 96attendees@ietf.org References: <939dba234b734e368aef0401fe500cd2@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <20782b9e-8a5d-9aec-5963-88cda4c6a436@cea.fr> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:21:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <939dba234b734e368aef0401fe500cd2@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms080500020900030801040600" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:21:10 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080500020900030801040600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5DC25E1425A1BF63951D3958" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5DC25E1425A1BF63951D3958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes but what are they known for, and why standards... Alexandre Petrescu, Ing=C3=A9nieur Chercheur, AS, CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223. Le 21/07/2016 =C3=A0 11:06, N.Leymann@telekom.de a =C3=A9crit : > Hi, > > according to wikipedia the guys are Peter Wilhelm Beuth and Wilhelm von= Humboldt. > > Regards > > Nic > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von A= lexandre PETRESCU > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 10:57 > An: 96attendees@ietf.org > Betreff: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue > > Hi, > > I was happy to walk by DIN building at the DIN Plaza, near the meeting = venue. > > Among others, the DIN 21 number, aka ASA 100 or now ISO 100 - is a sens= itivity sure to produce clean images. > > I wonder what are the two persons represented by statues at its entranc= e known for? > > Yours, > > -- > Alexandre Petrescu, > Ing=C3=A9nieur Chercheur, AS, > CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, > alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223. > > --------------5DC25E1425A1BF63951D3958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes but what are they= known for, and why standards...

Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=C3=A9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223.
Le 21/07/2016 =C3=A0 11:06, N.Leymann@telekom.de a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi,

according to wikipedia the guys are Peter Wilhelm Beuth and Wilhelm von H=
umboldt.

Regards

Nic

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auft=
rag von Alexandre PETRESCU
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 10:57
An: 96attendees@ietf.org
Betreff: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue

Hi,

I was happy to walk by DIN building at the DIN Plaza, near the meeting ve=
nue.

Among others, the DIN 21 number, aka ASA 100 or now ISO 100 - is a sensit=
ivity sure to produce clean images.

I wonder what are the two persons represented by statues at its entrance =
known for?

Yours,

--
Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=C3=A9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223.

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Probably get a good deal if bought in bulk. Ray > On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: >=20 > Since no-one else mentioned them, baseball caps are also a common = giveaway. 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([2001:67c:370:176:b5f9:5d4c:a99c:7e15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u14sm1414098lja.11.2016.07.21.02.37.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:37:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Ray Pelletier , Yoav Nir References: <3B6C91D6-848A-4D7D-A98C-1E2253033A80@gmail.com> From: Yaron Sheffer Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:37:50 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Livingood, Jason" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:37:57 -0000 Hey, they still make brandable pocket protectors! https://www.promotionalproductinc.com/pocket-protectors Also known as: RFID credit card protectors... Yaron On 21/07/16 11:29, Ray Pelletier wrote: > I’m pleased with this ASUS Multi-Mode Pocket Router (WL-330NUL) > Probably get a good deal if bought in bulk. > > Ray > >> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: >> >> Since no-one else mentioned them, baseball caps are also a common giveaway. 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Apart from being responsible for the organization of the prussian educational system and being a diplomat, humbolt was highly involved in laying down the rules of modern lingustics. > Alexandre Petrescu, > Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS, > CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, > alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223. >=20 > Le 21/07/2016 =E0 11:06, N.Leymann@telekom.de a =E9crit : >> Hi, >> >> according to wikipedia the guys are Peter Wilhelm Beuth and Wilhelm vo= n Humboldt. >> >> Regards >> >> Nic >> >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von = Alexandre PETRESCU >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 10:57 >> An: 96attendees@ietf.org >> Betreff: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue >> >> Hi, >> >> I was happy to walk by DIN building at the DIN Plaza, near the meeting= venue. >> >> Among others, the DIN 21 number, aka ASA 100 or now ISO 100 - is a sen= sitivity sure to produce clean images. >> >> I wonder what are the two persons represented by statues at its entran= ce known for? >> >> Yours, >> >> -- >> Alexandre Petrescu, >> Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS, >> CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC, >> alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223. >> >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 --lCAf1jpUruUcFuTOXqxKXofNkRTrsSlbA-- --ngc8H0PGNE0robM7jns84ISHpKAhxcCiB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAleQmSAACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrJHKQCghg2Rxm+tAtnjOqQrBaiURoex k5IAniRNKEQx+S1ujFevXCT6DZ2EWFWj =BplT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ngc8H0PGNE0robM7jns84ISHpKAhxcCiB-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:44:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA3A12DAF6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:44:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l7Nh3LQnFELM for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.stillroot.org (mail.stillroot.org [176.9.132.253]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA9412DC42 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BDE41FE4; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:44:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ba.stillroot.org Received: from mail.stillroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.stillroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39t-fb5Y-fhH; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hobbykeller.org (dhcp-b132.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.50]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3FB9241BF5; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:44:09 +0200 From: Oleg Hahm To: Alexandre PETRESCU Message-ID: <20160721094409.GD13517@hobbykeller.org> References: <939dba234b734e368aef0401fe500cd2@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <20782b9e-8a5d-9aec-5963-88cda4c6a436@cea.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d01dLTUuW90fS44H" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20782b9e-8a5d-9aec-5963-88cda4c6a436@cea.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: Re: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:44:49 -0000 --d01dLTUuW90fS44H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:21:04AM +0200, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: > Yes but what are they known for, and why standards... =46rom Wikipedia: "Humboldt installed a standardized system of public instruction, from basic schools till secondary education, and founded Berlin University. He imposed= a standardization of state examinations and inspections and created a special department within the ministry to oversee and design curricula, textbooks a= nd learning aids" AFAIK Beuth was not directly involved in standardization, but technology transfer. 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Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b257.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:67c:370:176:dd45:6cc5:854:924]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e22sm1444517lji.1.2016.07.21.02.48.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:48:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Toerless Eckert , Alexa Morris References: <20160721083224.GA1532@mx2.yitter.info> <20160721091911.GP7377@cisco.com> From: joel jaeggli Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:48:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:47.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/47.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160721091911.GP7377@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tXeexd8EIUA1vPH6q7LOMwH55u5ToDQw5" Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Nice feature of the venue set up X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:48:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --tXeexd8EIUA1vPH6q7LOMwH55u5ToDQw5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="HDo2EEsPDFSjUkbIad7wcW7gWFxPwCCi4" From: joel jaeggli To: Toerless Eckert , Alexa Morris Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Nice feature of the venue set up References: <20160721083224.GA1532@mx2.yitter.info> <20160721091911.GP7377@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <20160721091911.GP7377@cisco.com> --HDo2EEsPDFSjUkbIad7wcW7gWFxPwCCi4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/21/16 11:19 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > "some venues" =3D=3D US of "$5 union fee per shackle install" A ? US fire codes require that aisles be maintained free of obstructions in order to allow for egress, how to do that is variously interpreted. > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 02:13:28AM -0700, Alexa Morris wrote: >> I?m glad that everyone is enjoying the chairs at this venue ?we certai= nly prefer them unshackled as well. One thing to keep in mind is that it?= s not always an option; some venues insist on linked chairs due to fire r= egulations. >> >> However, whenever possible, we will opt for the unlinked chair configu= ration. >> >> Alexa >> >> On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:49 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >> >>> Indeed! >>> >>> On 7/21/16 10:45 AM, Daniel Shaw wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:32 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The hotel this time didn't pull the little linky-things out on the >>>>> chairs. =20 >>>> >>>>> This is better. Thank you. >>>>> >>>> >>>> hear hear! >>>> (+1) >>>> >>>> - Daniel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> 96attendees mailing list >>>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>> >> >> ---------- >> Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF >> +1.510.492.4001 >> Email: amorris@amsl.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 --HDo2EEsPDFSjUkbIad7wcW7gWFxPwCCi4-- --tXeexd8EIUA1vPH6q7LOMwH55u5ToDQw5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAleQmn0ACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrJPoQCfcPq16w3mwh1NRYI6Kl0j6AGk uhwAn2tKOyv+p3K+b7emPO8lUvrrnXgM =tTeN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tXeexd8EIUA1vPH6q7LOMwH55u5ToDQw5-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:53:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDBA127071 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:53:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W18d66l6WI-q for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8EF412B004 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for 96attendees@ietf.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bQAfJ-000nTM-Bx>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:53:13 +0200 Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for 96attendees@ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (envelope-from ) id <1bQAfJ-003HRz-0F>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:53:13 +0200 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id o80so18354468wme.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:53:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKH3W13K1QnkXPSRnFN78d8u5YDOvQxzSomm9FTSES5lArUYzjYirPNUD4rtuLwxqx2JHVhEehQJJWWYg== X-Received: by 10.28.39.133 with SMTP id n127mr6597393wmn.6.1469094792740; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:53:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.3.99 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:53:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160721094409.GD13517@hobbykeller.org> References: <939dba234b734e368aef0401fe500cd2@HE105662.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <20782b9e-8a5d-9aec-5963-88cda4c6a436@cea.fr> <20160721094409.GD13517@hobbykeller.org> From: Martine Lenders Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:53:12 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Oleg Hahm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.82.49 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Alexandre PETRESCU , N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: Re: [96attendees] DIN offices close to the meeting venue X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:53:17 -0000 Hi, 2016-07-21 11:44 GMT+02:00 Oleg Hahm : > AFAIK Beuth was not directly involved in standardization, but technology > transfer. And the publishing company that publishes the DIN/ISO standards (and daughter company of the DIN e.V.) carries his name ;-) [1]. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beuth_Verlag (sorry no english version :-/) From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:56:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4560212D08F for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iImPGggsiMw1 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CECAB12DAFF for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6L9uir4018512; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:56:44 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6L9uir4018512 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1469095004; bh=48319NO+/N8NlCrK5kbzE2k6ceM=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=KyfeBaInmP74r3K6yzmMThLQKvR8ji2uqx3wwbs38F0L3r+Iv71voenJ3vhOrFpaV V08gGdwJs1zHuwEzuiwpGVFlXnkuVTTG7d4zHlINLRs5efiF2eiJHXEmWSOiOmJbNx YzVPDDLaFU0onI0ElglDtCMuXbZhoCXOzizK+kYw= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6KAui12418020605f ret-id none; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:56:44 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:c9e0:7db2:4323:4d54] ([IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:c9e0:7db2:4323:4d54]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6L9ueNK003630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:56:40 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:57:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: To: Randall Gellens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-SpamScore: sss X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6KAui124180206000; tid=s6KAui12418020605f; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=4:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6L9uir4018512 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Livingood, Jason" , Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:56:56 -0000 > On 20 Jul 2016, at 20:49, Randall Gellens = wrote: >=20 > At 6:01 PM +0000 7/20/16, Jason Livingood wrote: >=20 >> I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting=C2=8A I know = t-shirts are sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other = than a t-shirt (as a selectable option) or in addition? >=20 > Some past IETFs distributed knapsacks/backpacks in addition to = T-shirts, which proved extremely popular. I still see people with them. = One IETF distributed fleece pull-overs (I suppose because there had = been complaints about too-cold rooms). I'm not sure if the socks = suggestion was made in jest, but personally, I think socks would be a = pointless waste of money. Others may have a different idea. T-shirts are great.=20 The two most useful other freebies I=E2=80=99ve seen of late are bags = (Comcast, IETF86, very high quality, limited in number) and a week-long = SIM card (LACNIC, IETF95, removed all data headaches for the week). Of = those, the SIM is most useful to make the week go more smoothly. I like the idea of old T-shirt designs being archived at cafepress (or = similar), and purchasable with money going to a good cause. Tim= From nobody Thu Jul 21 02:57:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F130612DA1E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yandex-team.ru Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G_vzRiopkhyj for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from forwardcorp1m.cmail.yandex.net (forwardcorp1m.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:b030::ee]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7601012D12D for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:2519::120]) by forwardcorp1m.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C652F20697 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:57:39 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C4D6D2CA096B for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:57:39 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 84.201.165.212-vpna.dhcp.yndx.net (84.201.165.212-vpna.dhcp.yndx.net [84.201.165.212]) by smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id ZMNChhcjCK-vd88cfBe; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:57:39 +0300 (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex-team.ru; s=default; t=1469095059; bh=j75IyyVN8/NDRqOYFSCS7QMwnv220k3yHuWLveE0XKw=; h=To:Subject:References:Date:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To; b=luMSlvRvaFTHMANf5ezc8LIINwzXIEOJCU5ugaofl/OPPPVjVaxx9KYWXjtJskb6k V6epPgMKVZvXrkMPIk4OJSkWdg3Hn054Ay0xGvN87Rc15vwakot8XOFAnlwm/Q9mQT 0xUK0cFlIR+4QyNnK++D0DBgYzAxSPvdhSkfFVVk= Authentication-Results: smtpcorp1m.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex-team.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:57:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable From: "Chaals McCathie Nevile" Organization: Yandex Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (MacIntel) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:57:47 -0000 On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 20:01:11 +0200, Livingood, Jason = wrote: > I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting=E2=80=A6 I know t-sh= irts are = > sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shir= t = > (as a selectable option) or in addition? Don't give something in addition - we all end up with too much stuff we = = didn't really want after all already, and it wasn't making the meeting = work a lot better. Things I have got instead and appreciated: A *good* bag. These are not cheap, and when I last moved countries I lef= t = a pile of bags behind the door of my old house that would make an ideal = = spot for a kid playing hide-and-seek. But the one I got from Xtech laste= d = 5 years of brutal travel and was retired when my phone fell out one of t= he = holes in the bottom. Others with those bags still use them 10 years late= r. An apron. W3C gave aprons at a meeting in Lyons - good quality heavy = cotton cookng apron. I use mine daily at home. A local-style hat. Size problems, but more manageable. Sunglasses / fan (thank you to whoever decided to give those to us here)= / = good compact umbrella / lightweight travel raincoat. A bottle of local wine. OK, strictly speaking I consumed this in the = expected way, and for people travelling with hand luggage it means you = need to find some people to drink it with before you leave, but in some = = places it's a fine gift - although not everyone will be grateful and in = = some places you can't give people alcohol at all. Postcards *with stamps* - again I didn't keep them, but most of the peop= le = I sent them to have them on the fridge a few years later. A kids' book. Most people know someone who will appreciate it, even if = they don't keep it themselves. The warm fuzzy feeling that comes because you spent the money on somethi= ng = really good like IETF, a local charity, or travel support for someone wh= o = couldn't otherwise attend and was a valuable contributor - plus not taki= ng = up space in my bag on the way home. A phrasebook or flashcards - ideally custom-made to include things = especially relevant to the community, or with a story. Socks sounds silly. But if anyone had given them to me and they were = reasonable I would have kept them. Gloves too - but sizes=E2=80=A6 cheers > Clearly Dave needs socks, because as a key AQM thought leader his = > washing machine implements a laundry-version of sfq_codel and has been= = > dropping socks every so often in order to complete each load of laundr= y = > on a timely basis (before he implemented that he reportedly never lost= = > socks but each load of laundry took 2 days to complete). ;-) [Sorry, = = > that is the best sock-related buffer bloat joke I could come up with, = = > Dave!] > > Only slightly more seriously, any other suggestions for the future? > > Thanks > Jason > > On 7/20/16, 5:07 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Dave Taht" = > <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:= > > I have a surplus of conference T-shirts at this point. For future > IETFs, could we switch to distributing socks, instead? Is there = > better > standardization for sock sizes? > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- = Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com From nobody Thu Jul 21 03:10:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B9B12DC08 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BabYaXblEDaa for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:2::4:12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4837D12DC89 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7321B280282; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:10:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay1.nic.fr (relay1.nic.fr [192.134.4.162]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE3F280165; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:10:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (citrine.tech.ipv6.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:1348:7::86:96]) by relay1.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB114C0043; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:10:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1469095813.13840.20.camel@afnic.fr> From: Patrick Mevzek To: Chaals McCathie Nevile Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:10:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Organization: AFNIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.9-1+b1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:10:49 -0000 Le jeudi 21 juillet 2016 à 11:57 +0200, Chaals McCathie Nevile a écrit : > Postcards *with stamps* - again I didn't keep them, but most of the people > I sent them to have them on the fridge a few years later. This would be very welcomed, especially with a specific design mixing cities highlights where the meeting is happening, and some mention of IETF. Like "I've survived IETF XX in XXXX…" or something. With multiple items you could write to your colleagues/friends/family back home and at the same time do advertisement for IETF. I can also easily be collectible for nostalgia. Also, as silly as it may sound, people do still write, so a pen could be a good giveaway, it is small to carry, will not trigger alarms at airport, can be brandable, can survive many years (if good quality, of course I'm not speaking about 10 cents pen…), if more than one per attendee it could again be given to others and make advertisement for IETF, etc… Now the problem: which pen colour, and which ink width… :-) -- Patrick Mevzek From nobody Thu Jul 21 03:14:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DDC12DB00 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfrE5lEzIiP3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82C8C12DB53 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 03:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b27d.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b27d.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.178.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A2D542EA; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:14:34 +0200 (CEST) From: "Olle E. Johansson" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:14:33 +0200 Message-Id: <9EB973BE-5FF5-4F1F-8126-7F25FB99320B@edvina.net> To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Olle E Johansson Subject: [96attendees] Gentle reminders X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:14:43 -0000 Sitting in a room where a wg chair without name tag presents without = slide numbers=E2=80=A6 - Please keep name tags on! You help note takers, scribes and people = around you. Remote participation is important for all of us. - Please add slide numbers to all presentations to help people being = remote Thank you! 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mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pN13Pg5haxwu; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9298112DABD; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b46b.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b46b.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.180.107]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6LCVBx3007512 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:31:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) To: "ietf@ietf.org" , 96attendees@ietf.org From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:31:09 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:31:38 -0000 I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are doing more harm than good. We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide better access to non-stale data. We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on how to make that happen). Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). RjS From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:38:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F58B12D0C2; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJkIzkz28aHa; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83FC112D131; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LCcLnC030706; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:38:21 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (jplon-nat14.juniper.net [193.110.55.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LCcK5B030695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:38:21 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Robert Sparks'" , , <96attendees@ietf.org> References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:38:21 +0100 Message-ID: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHQ3ct3SqdAtWAw73Laf2WWuKpeAKAk3aZw Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22464.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--4.989-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--4.989-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: cgbqQT5W8hdjDV//SvkH3qVzYsvffdUx4oY5nPT1cB40C8Dp8kkTtY4m akWSIXbD0gDUFsLddA2e13MG4y1Z243mgF0zSpmjj5hLPCX3ZdMuFjL0BGSgF5hOY3ZzHC1Jisj Q+aCqjaRzHL0Yxdimu2liZO8Cga46QpjkZW1zh69rDUnWABcnUmC05M57wtm/myiLZetSf8nJ4y 0wP1A6APkvV+z371TK5MIx11wv+COujVRFkkVsm7zr44/LYj8W5xmsl00y/jAtZP0wAq1/Ukx1P mJNef/y5ULOPShoFu7fZ90P9hPf/iPXz9Wrg90rPcmNpxduKFqPEh39IuNgTzYWjgR8c2pdjkwk p0U3oPoj1SFBi5SOJ0bdNWawWa9+eXpC4wGnh8Q= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:38:27 -0000 Please quantify expense. Please compare with cost of printing on site. I may offer personal sponsorship. Adrian > I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are > doing more harm than good. > > We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed > agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. > > We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide > better access to non-stale data. > > We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs > to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on > how to make that happen). > > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not > provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing > and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). > > RjS From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:45:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C7F12D0B4; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id btg-I_9i55ar; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x22e.google.com (mail-lf0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53C6D12D149; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id b199so60968181lfe.0; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:44:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Br6OhuiG2oN7XebDCRuDZEw6ZvOGkdt6aWI5qyzs9QY=; b=evlxlrH7VqKluAdHeG8lAGCgls6JzkThfPbFiPL0jjc3+VDe8C8cqsceuZjFROls6+ h8VdKUCXI1nSFg9Os1RiVwV985ICRDDKd2hnLiPJo2Omsl0A/0M5ypEC40VZAwY1ZyCb s4vRqO8BsCPSCw3jN5uEXMnCkH++ceEYbNzzZo60Gbtld1Ho2i17rqFj96qZVB4nsBD4 Bb9ZVg06fBFMX7x6nhq87anpqgN+IT9A8KPQNXWczVpCdgKEzc8Eq+8OLOrMp9dvz32M 7KDng5qtQKJD6kQ3ov1moITbX/aSaHpT8/B4y+Rb03QHMtqYxVYRvNaA8zB0DXqAKm16 TOYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Br6OhuiG2oN7XebDCRuDZEw6ZvOGkdt6aWI5qyzs9QY=; b=M0Xouytx8MwyrWDpXRmCZ4KgoHCWTdj8fSRsdTd3t3mRhAqPd5r1Fd0N6rciP+8u41 bvEoEleNeKWEhPQC5uOIYosUkci30LMZZ/+NBFJ8piYw5I1MAx/4HDBlrEzaELbNLMFp 8XDUrOEukRyf/h3i/27H5X9tWwZMZWOwcj48e0tw4BLBB0nsLEWgM4P7sPoNA3uZuvOs 26MpoZR4KJP/fnOzIdU/WQY36n4BB/7ABV1eNp30RuEYbeyOs+rTo0llJqubTlMNdyfw MWmMv5n28aMatNWDkqSSlV4GQme1+elotjBNjugckTEkTCufPVoq+hsmjo0XXzcLh+mX Sufw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKVn0QK0IoWu9nghWuB9K8eBsCJ1N3E8Du+/gjwz/MiwZ7LUu5cJBZf1FhEViCU3g== X-Received: by 10.25.80.84 with SMTP id e81mr10867077lfb.96.1469105092183; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2001:67c:370:160:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f40sm1726493lji.46.2016.07.21.05.44.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:44:51 -0700 (PDT) To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, 'Robert Sparks' , ietf@ietf.org, 96attendees@ietf.org References: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <2fb3b52a-1bf1-79de-1533-4dbca4d45703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:44:58 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:44:57 -0000 Also, and absolutely without ignoring smartphones, what I have used the mini-agenda for is above all the room plan. Regards Brian On 22/07/2016 00:38, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Please quantify expense. > Please compare with cost of printing on site. > I may offer personal sponsorship. > Adrian > >> I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are >> doing more harm than good. >> >> We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed >> agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. >> >> We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide >> better access to non-stale data. >> >> We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs >> to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on >> how to make that happen). >> >> Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not >> provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing >> and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >> >> RjS > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:45:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3732612D9BB; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HHlu2pplvPol; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F29212D5B5; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LCjfDF023488; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:45:41 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6LCjfDF023488 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1469105141; bh=6QJRWVBmLn821R3I7YI0T6U4aC0=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=KsOHcOPorTjQHWOLU7tRd8v8N9Qsf4cSuiAp1hF5nRiHwSbK2NLLC4tq1Qe3I9PdB hDxsBZ//Rr1s0osFLknFhSm02W8op168bwVkP7O3jhA6aDJQZRK0Tw9pEPuIUzLYdt FIPLFAWIzCHgEKyPMk1CZQgcfpNtGOZy8geyuUkc= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6KDjf1241803679CD ret-id none; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:45:41 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:442e:f5df:6400:281e] ([IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:442e:f5df:6400:281e]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LCjXxD015864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:45:34 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:46:50 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> <136F2941-4B90-46BC-B914-EAE5C1A3D200@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6KDjf124180367900; tid=s6KDjf1241803679CD; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=4:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6LCjfDF023488 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:45:47 -0000 The printed agendas are still very useful, and the dependency on network = access is avoided. In the first couple of days of a meeting the printed room map part is = invaluable. Tim > On 21 Jul 2016, at 13:38, Adrian Farrel wrote: >=20 > Please quantify expense. > Please compare with cost of printing on site. > I may offer personal sponsorship. > Adrian >=20 >> I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are >> doing more harm than good. >>=20 >> We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed >> agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. >>=20 >> We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that = provide >> better access to non-stale data. >>=20 >> We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really = needs >> to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place = on >> how to make that happen). >>=20 >> Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not >> provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the = printing >> and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >>=20 >> RjS >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:46:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E2212DA22; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gc9aZ5ronpPR; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5205512DA1F; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.47.60.47] (dhcp-b17d.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u6LCjjIT093409 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host dhcp-b17d.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.125] claimed to be [10.47.60.47] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "Robert Sparks" Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:45:45 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:45:51 -0000 On 21 Jul 2016, at 14:31, Robert Sparks wrote: > We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed > agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. Fully agree, but: > We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that > provide better access to non-stale data. The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all. Until they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or using a small object I can look at (squinting hard, of course). > We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really > needs to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find > place on how to make that happen). If we had an agenda template that worked for the printer *and* the printer printed fine enough (which I doubt for our current color inkjet printers), that would be a good alternative. > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not > provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing > and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). 1) Please only do this if the app works much more reliably than it does now. 2) Is the cost really that large? This is about two reams of paper, yes? --Paul Hoffman From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:49:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C9312DA09 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUtIEsnNhSfJ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84BFB12D19E for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC67520805; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:48:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=Xo4lMHVXyJFHvFd YhRCGdh+Eq9M=; b=p/vQGTfNRSOHsoaCs54d47oO5QS9EDgpif7i5Sh9uMTPcri 3kPjf+UWK1IU42r2RsIuiNzQRv4y5+oHZp8ybfSMeCODmDGrHbGZpzEg5nAoNx0s gCgagc6qa2x8btJnVCKARSj717mQMqcrzAMhz+e0TW2uskgm4RZpx7/gT9NY= X-Sasl-enc: wRHXKTlZZjqlrdrqgff/QyNHs/0lZEft/W4nJexXnm8+ 1469105337 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:1231:998:a5cd:b33f:a234:8be2] (unknown [31.130.238.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 33F98F2A01; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk In-Reply-To: <2fb3b52a-1bf1-79de-1533-4dbca4d45703@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:48:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> <2fb3b52a-1bf1-79de-1533-4dbca4d45703@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk, 96attendees@ietf.org, Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:49:50 -0000 On Jul 21, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: >=20 > Also, and absolutely without ignoring smartphones, what I have used > the mini-agenda for is above all the room plan. >=20 > Regards > Brian Indeed. And it never loses power, and works in bright sunlight. Comparing to IETF Journal (and I am not suggesting we stop printing = these) paper agendas are so small. I keep it in my pocket at all = times, and sometimes mark things up with a pen. > On 22/07/2016 00:38, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> Please quantify expense. >> Please compare with cost of printing on site. >> I may offer personal sponsorship. >> Adrian +1 From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:56:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1464812DAE2; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CLt7i2SP6SYz; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [193.110.157.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1539912DA93; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3rwDL71TGdz3Qn; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:56:15 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1469105775; bh=z0Oxpp9sCmxX0kGzKYzb1iYCl2drGGih+pmqyoL6yVA=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Zt2JofQsjGhY1e4SmLL0t+lbhv3H0Szf9Vk5BzxH71v3jJ2sfWTciDlvfb7RMW7Tl 1O7s2U59etl4A+LgyW8gLBzKsZi8H4NxoyYzembqzEy+BCoF3aBM/f6ceseiAsjnEe 0zLyvBgS5wZhv0YDgGdsHugTTaYIWa+XkH0J0HLI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1J8Tvn9HGewN; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (206-248-139-105.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.139.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54BB5393D85; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 bofh.nohats.ca 54BB5393D85 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8A240D6F5B; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (LRH 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:56:21 -0000 On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote: > The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all. Until > they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or using a small > object I can look at (squinting hard, of course). The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I had picked up a paper map. 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boundary="sV2qqLQDXobShQ9XiRxibmTsDmod9GmNf" From: joel jaeggli To: Paul Wouters , Paul Hoffman Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Message-ID: <9534974d-fdc1-b069-87f6-5cf9818c2c02@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas References: In-Reply-To: --sV2qqLQDXobShQ9XiRxibmTsDmod9GmNf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/21/16 2:56 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote: >=20 >> The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all. >> Until they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or >> using a small object I can look at (squinting hard, of course). >=20 >=20 > The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, it does... > making me wish I > had picked up a paper map. >=20 > Paul >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --sV2qqLQDXobShQ9XiRxibmTsDmod9GmNf-- --HE7EA988OvcNuVquJ0bvnN7BFnoRGUgR8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:58:30 +0200 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:00:04 -0000 In your previous mail you wrote: => I have to disagree: I find them really useful and they don't require a working network connection to be used... > We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs > to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on > how to make that happen). => I am not against if these printers provide an agenda at the same size and fold it... > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not > provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing > and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). => I believe the secretariat already limited the number of printed mini-agendas and I am sure they are given only on explicit demand (versus to everyboday as it wa done some years ago). 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charset=utf-8 On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, Paul Wouters wrote: > The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I > had picked up a paper map. >=20 > Paul Touch the screen with two fingers, then drag your fingers apart. (A = =E2=80=9Creverse pinch=E2=80=9D.) See screen shot below for an example of a zoomed map. Stuart Cheshire --Apple-Mail=_1C84A70A-D82E-42E2-AEF6-DEA41422007D Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2903CF47-0B52-469E-A2CB-AECA79EADDEF" --Apple-Mail=_2903CF47-0B52-469E-A2CB-AECA79EADDEF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, Paul = Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:

The iphone app still = does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I
had = picked up a paper map.

Paul

Touch the screen with two = fingers, then drag your fingers apart. (A =E2=80=9Creverse = pinch=E2=80=9D.)

See = screen shot below for an example of a zoomed map.

Stuart Cheshire

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boundary=001a113f3a88f7e422053824f2cf --001a113f3a88f7e422053824f2cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can zoom into the map on the iPhone. Just the inverse of a pinch jesture. A higher res map in the app would be nice as the zoomed map is pretty blurry: =E2=80=8B On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all. Unti= l >> they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or using a sm= all >> object I can look at (squinting hard, of course). >> > > > The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I > had picked up a paper map. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a113f3a88f7e422053824f2cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can zoom into the map on the iPhone. Just the inverse of= a pinch jesture. A higher res map in the app would be nice as the zoomed m= ap is pretty blurry:


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On Thu= rsday, July 21, 2016, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote:

The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all. Un= til they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or using a s= mall object I can look at (squinting hard, of course).


The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I
had picked up a paper map.

Paul

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-0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2760A746-BCDB-43F4-99A2-116A0E672DCB@apple.com> References: <2760A746-BCDB-43F4-99A2-116A0E672DCB@apple.com> From: Pat Thaler Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:05:11 -0700 Message-ID: To: Stuart Cheshire Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=001a1146ec4ee85c0f053824f736 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Paul Wouters , Paul Hoffman , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:05:56 -0000 --001a1146ec4ee85c0f053824f736 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1146ec4ee85c06053824f735 --001a1146ec4ee85c06053824f735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder why Stuart's zoomed picture has so much better resolution than on my phone. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Stuart Cheshire wrote= : > On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, Paul Wouters wrote: > > The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I > had picked up a paper map. > > Paul > > > Touch the screen with two fingers, then drag your fingers apart. (A > =E2=80=9Creverse pinch=E2=80=9D.) > > See screen shot below for an example of a zoomed map. > > Stuart Cheshire > > --001a1146ec4ee85c06053824f735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wonder why Stuart's zoomed picture has so much bette= r resolution than on my phone.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Stuart Cheshire <ches= hire@apple.com> wrote:
On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, = Paul Wouters <paul@n= ohats.ca> wrote:

The iphone app sti= ll does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I
had picked up a pap= er map.

Paul

Touch the screen with two fi= ngers, then drag your fingers apart. (A =E2=80=9Creverse pinch=E2=80=9D.)
See screen shot below for an example of a zoomed map.
=

Stuart Cheshire

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<9534974d-fdc1-b069-87f6-5cf9818c2c02@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:08:30 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9534974d-fdc1-b069-87f6-5cf9818c2c02@gmail.com> To: joel jaeggli Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Paul Hoffman , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:08:38 -0000 > On Jul 21, 2016, at 2:59 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: >=20 >> On 7/21/16 2:56 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: >>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>>=20 >>> The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all. >>> Until they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or >>> using a small object I can look at (squinting hard, of course). >>=20 >>=20 >> The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, >=20 > it does... It enlarges, it doesn't zoom and making it bigger just made it worse and non= e of the text was readable. >=20 >> making me wish I >> had picked up a paper map. >>=20 >> Paul >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:10:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5430A12D93F; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u7QigiERlLzS; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:2a03:6000:1004:1::68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EF6712DA02; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3rwDf66kkCz3Qn; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:10:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1469106606; bh=/CqnBU0RjdQ188WKrbMPGFCLSc9rPskLByqhCiCtw6E=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=mQloo9iZFrUZTAatDquzdNEH92pzubVaqQd9UK8HpuHejYUjNtt0Ul1Kx7VjppWtG ZFFPMXTXRR1uTy+Rqg7+lRFG7cPVntwyOgfV6sWZrpQfk9jB1Pged43PC3Q5LYxme4 5tK+A9AvqaVRPquNXktyHBsJQjw5leHTgzl8e9sM= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MoiowM7ivvTa; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:10:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (206-248-139-105.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.139.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:10:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [31.133.162.50] (dhcp-a232.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.162.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9211D393D85; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:10:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 bofh.nohats.ca 9211D393D85 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A08FD4F9-F26A-4606-BCAB-402E11EA2516 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Wouters X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: <2760A746-BCDB-43F4-99A2-116A0E672DCB@apple.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:10:00 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2E98C073-0BB2-465E-AB8C-DE8568924510@nohats.ca> References: <2760A746-BCDB-43F4-99A2-116A0E672DCB@apple.com> To: Stuart Cheshire Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" , Paul Hoffman , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:10:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail-A08FD4F9-F26A-4606-BCAB-402E11EA2516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That doesn't work for me? Or I am not skilled enough Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Stuart Cheshire wrote: >=20 >> On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, Paul Wouters wrote: >>=20 >> The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I >> had picked up a paper map. >>=20 >> Paul >=20 > Touch the screen with two fingers, then drag your fingers apart. (A =E2=80= =9Creverse pinch=E2=80=9D.) >=20 > See screen shot below for an example of a zoomed map. >=20 > Stuart Cheshire >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail-A08FD4F9-F26A-4606-BCAB-402E11EA2516 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Mail-7E1ECC80-F9CF-47C1-B44D-94BCB8305C11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-7E1ECC80-F9CF-47C1-B44D-94BCB8305C11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That doesn't work for me? Or I am not s= killed enough

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Sent from my= iPhone

On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@apple.com> wrote:

On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, Paul Wouters &l= t;paul@nohats.ca> wrote:=

The iphon= e app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I
= had picked up a paper map.

Paul
<= /blockquote>
Touch the screen with two fingers, then drag your= fingers apart. (A =E2=80=9Creverse pinch=E2=80=9D.)

See screen shot below for an example of a zoome= d map.

Stuart Cheshire

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required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R2HNW-PmC3Ul; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62B7A12DA3A; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.47.60.47] (dhcp-b17d.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u6LDAEka094573 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host dhcp-b17d.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.125] claimed to be [10.47.60.47] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "ietf@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:10:14 +0200 Message-ID: <2A621F58-EA9E-4C48-A0A0-FE21A59913AE@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:10:20 -0000 It's not just the map. At past meetings, people have complained on various lists about the app taking forever because it reloads all the data often, or that the app crashes immediately after starting. I downloaded the app again this time, and I'm in the second category. Having the small paper agenda has been invaluable to me this week. A specific feature that pen-and-paper works well is that I can write on notes for "see Chris by the foosball tables at 0930". --Paul Hoffman From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:11:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB1512D936; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.285 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.285 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GWCeXM5qsrm7; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:2a03:6000:1004:1::68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC52D12D113; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3rwDgz2pmYz3Qn; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:11:43 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1469106703; bh=wuuJrkydA8lYwpsBzRj9GqIMyd6HefhYx3XRRBqBqEM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=uo9vH0Nhmg56QS7lSBNpnf91+jTBlTtflPVtbYmbowxDbmUbJo900eAqA0BrFyQ+n +6Y9LPE/Z80pq3xspRRbFHcjEqywi3D2VlF2IiDE3C2BahzS2mwSf+Bf5ZlFvA4utn WatzU1a7QHJqTCAL+djM/iiMlR13D9Ryn/A068UA= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1Uu-tHP8Gvf; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (206-248-139-105.dsl.teksavvy.com [206.248.139.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [31.133.162.50] (dhcp-a232.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.162.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22942393D85; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:11:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 bofh.nohats.ca 22942393D85 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-08114B10-977A-45BE-A944-64153ACFDB80 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Wouters X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:11:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <2760A746-BCDB-43F4-99A2-116A0E672DCB@apple.com> To: Pat Thaler Archived-At: Cc: Stuart Cheshire , 96attendees@ietf.org, Paul Hoffman , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:11:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail-08114B10-977A-45BE-A944-64153ACFDB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah yes, installing the updated app fixed it. Thanks. Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Pat Thaler wrote: >=20 > I wonder why Stuart's zoomed picture has so much better resolution than on= my phone. >=20 >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Stuart Cheshire wro= te: >>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, Paul Wouters wrote: >>>=20 >>> The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I >>> had picked up a paper map. >>>=20 >>> Paul >>=20 >> Touch the screen with two fingers, then drag your fingers apart. (A =E2=80= =9Creverse pinch=E2=80=9D.) >>=20 >> See screen shot below for an example of a zoomed map. >>=20 >> Stuart Cheshire >>=20 >> >=20 --Apple-Mail-08114B10-977A-45BE-A944-64153ACFDB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah yes, installing the updated app fix= ed it. Thanks.

Paul

Sent from my iP= hone

On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> wrote:

=
I wonder why Stuart's z= oomed picture has so much better resolution than on my phone.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:0= 1 AM, Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@apple.com> wrote:
O= n 21 Jul 2016, at 05:56, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:

The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish Ihad picked up a paper map.

Paul

Touch th= e screen with two fingers, then drag your fingers apart. (A =E2=80=9Creverse= pinch=E2=80=9D.)

See screen shot below for an example of= a zoomed map.

Stuart Cheshire

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Thread-Index: AQHR41MmH4GTAcstIUGaiG9kKuv+Kw== Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:24:03 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.120.60.37] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0DD5FEBE-ABA9-493E-A5EE-7BF6F4330C9B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] The Fussball tables were nice... X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:29:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0DD5FEBE-ABA9-493E-A5EE-7BF6F4330C9B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ...and pretty German, but I wish I had seen the Bratwurst Bot before, = and we could have brought it on site! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUDJyU-b7mK8 Lars --Apple-Mail=_0DD5FEBE-ABA9-493E-A5EE-7BF6F4330C9B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXkMz3AAoJEFS1wwm/cMFXlmMP/0GEPJ9acL7MLTGXhjPG8PnV F6oSt2ctA3hObErUMnaZ/+3+BbTlyI7kCGw19WbdXe8ha3skbYhPXCyiUq06sl+S rKe4gyS729kLOpOR+utxF3UnuNcm1KCOphKzV1vYck78ddbi8qNH4lH3R75Go7q0 sA/mriD2uYI76LOf/I9m8RIuW8uyi0fmLtZ6knWqXMm0hDw7Ws1iMpYy6tUlBFKt lTDvWav6+akJOCnlZrJ7Uh5XQ1cgDEcPz0efSHItTjDdwjISDJFKLNhLetK1IBE2 oKDndlCH5pB0vZ5UaEPXYHXTH7xutzZdbZJxmbf8fna5le46PYc71bGjs549spAb R+UvRixEJx/PzMuOK2kSN5YRTWj6E5G3wBa5NI953Gl54erpGKJ80GYdXNyHM3z8 EvShW+XpzgsM1sXnWfbqlt4oJlk3A9zyPYk14DuHz3RMFGqsGDF5g/CVCeXGOCq4 ofn2OyOFxw5+2MxNjcb/TPnhvzXm7kdOgTHTWTCQXOfq3sq0MY84G/fEA8NnUM4J NWrgcPdsNzIUBBqWko54NxxdtaT4WzX+6y6Rgj712gc4uG5S4PSchEkCsjU5HOq+ 17ZUi9KvkvPQlJVSgr/WOH8WObXoWzf70BZTJBsgmsqRVYHHguBNaoc8zu3N6CjA uyKwd95fEFR4XJA/aMUf =HxwM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_0DD5FEBE-ABA9-493E-A5EE-7BF6F4330C9B-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:32:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683C712D1AC; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eL2TYolbOcnV; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.stillroot.org (mail.stillroot.org [176.9.132.253]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7553B12D098; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E812A4202F; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:31:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ba.stillroot.org Received: from mail.stillroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.stillroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9lOiEUV02SZP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:31:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hobbykeller.org (dhcp-b132.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.50]) by mail.stillroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB89D4202E; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:30:48 +0200 From: Oliver Hahm To: Francis Dupont Message-ID: <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:31:59 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! > > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not=20 > > provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing= =20 > > and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >=20 > =3D> I believe the secretariat already limited the number of printed > mini-agendas and I am sure they are given only on explicit demand > (versus to everyboday as it wa done some years ago). Yes, that's what is happening and I think it is a very good approach. There are people without smart phones (or phones that doesn't support appstores f= or various reasons). Also, lookup time on the paper agenda is always O(1) which is a clear advantage for me. 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([2001:67c:370:176:d96e:696a:c60e:d127]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b203sm4135880wmh.20.2016.07.21.06.35.40 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: =?utf-8?Q?Lucas_Jen=C3=9F?= In-Reply-To: <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:35:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> To: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:47 -0000 On a tangent: Are the IETF iOS and Android apps open source, so that = bugs one encounters may be fixed? Cheers, Lucas > On 21 Jul 2016, at 15:30, Oliver Hahm wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 >>> Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not=20= >>> provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the = printing=20 >>> and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >>=20 >> =3D> I believe the secretariat already limited the number of printed >> mini-agendas and I am sure they are given only on explicit demand >> (versus to everyboday as it wa done some years ago). >=20 > Yes, that's what is happening and I think it is a very good approach. = There > are people without smart phones (or phones that doesn't support = appstores for > various reasons). Also, lookup time on the paper agenda is always O(1) = which > is a clear advantage for me. >=20 > Cheers, > Oleg > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:50:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124D712D1B9; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:50:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zqoEv3knzJB; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-p02.blackberry.com (smtp-p02.blackberry.com [208.65.78.89]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022AF12D5CB; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xct108cnc.rim.net ([10.65.161.208]) by mhs214cnc.rim.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Jul 2016 12:35:31 -0400 Received: from XMB122CNC.rim.net ([fe80::28c6:fa1c:91c6:2e23]) by XCT108CNC.rim.net ([fe80::8dc1:9551:6ed8:c618%17]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:50:34 -0400 From: Andrew Allen To: Oliver Hahm , Francis Dupont Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas Thread-Index: AQHR40+U1OuxFVfLREG+S4xfWryHZaAjJJ0A///CeNU= Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:50:33 +0000 Message-ID: <20160721135030.6570072.36783.25220@blackberry.com> References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr>, <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> In-Reply-To: <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:50:45 -0000 +1 The app isn't available for all platforms and just like we don't allow docu= ment formats for IDs that are only supported by a specific or limited numbe= r of document reader applications we shouldn't require that attendees have = to use a smartphone that is supported by the app. Also battery life can mean you are sometimes in a situation where you would= be unable to use the app even if you have it. With the limited number of people requesting these agendas is this really a= significant impact environmentally compared to the overall environmental i= mpact of the entire meeting? =FD Andrew Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Oliver Hahm Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 15:32 To: Francis Dupont Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agend= as Hi! > > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not > > provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing > > and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). > > =3D> I believe the secretariat already limited the number of printed > mini-agendas and I am sure they are given only on explicit demand > (versus to everyboday as it wa done some years ago). Yes, that's what is happening and I think it is a very good approach. There are people without smart phones (or phones that doesn't support appstores f= or various reasons). Also, lookup time on the paper agenda is always O(1) whic= h is a clear advantage for me. Cheers, Oleg From nobody Thu Jul 21 06:52:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B3112D623; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:52:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3XPsxTxDZtJB; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29A4D12D5F2; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LDq2Ag010305; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:52:02 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6LDq2Ag010305 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1469109123; bh=lP8jhDfaQ7KJF1R5nC29QfntTzw=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=c8sRk70E+VxZxj9o+4DYfiLe1yoJQfEkuSUgSTiapkMvcWrJpbKo4Y3DMZF1zcWsD +rJebBA2sitYtYpZhh7v5/z6iwI9ZpX0Y/EPAMKR6Mrc5uA2RoCgRSPHKcrYexbNRm hjhNcRJnPTFtg62lv8nNmk+5nEfbv7NBTV3KIq5c= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6KEq21241805193sz ret-id none; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:52:03 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:718e:6c8e:9c5d:9e48] ([IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:718e:6c8e:9c5d:9e48]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LDpkgD004279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:51:47 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:53:02 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <2760A746-BCDB-43F4-99A2-116A0E672DCB@apple.com> To: Pat Thaler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6KEq1124180519300; tid=s6KEq21241805193sz; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=6:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6LDq2Ag010305 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Cc: Stuart Cheshire , 96attendees@ietf.org, Paul Wouters , Paul Hoffman , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:52:26 -0000 > On 21 Jul 2016, at 14:05, Pat Thaler wrote: >=20 > I wonder why Stuart's zoomed picture has so much better resolution = than on my phone. He has an iPhone7 ;) But more seriously, the app is really good, and we should remember that = it=E2=80=99s an (excellent) volunteer effort, and has improved year on = year since it was first made available maybe 12-15 IETFs ago. Tom even = found time last IETF to address a couple of issues during the meeting = (though deleting the app and re downloading it fixed that issue for me). = He has debugging tools on site, or at least did last time, which was = much appreciated. But there=E2=80=99s room for both the app and the paper copy. 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It's also needlessly confusing to newcomers (full disclosure, I'm a newcomer). Single source of truth is best and all. -Jason On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are > doing more harm than good. > > We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed > agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. > > We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide > better access to non-stale data. > > We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs > to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on how > to make that happen). > > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not provide > the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing and shipping > expense (and associated environmental impact). > > RjS > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a11490d46fa23a30538252563 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1.

It's also needlessly confusing = to newcomers (full disclosure, I'm a newcomer).

Single source of truth is best and all.

-Jason

On Thu,= Jul 21, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
I am becoming convinced that= the small pre-printed folded agendas are doing more harm than good.

We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed age= ndas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting.

We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide be= tter access to non-stale data.

We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really need= s to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on ho= w to make that happen).

Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not provide = the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing and shipping= expense (and associated environmental impact).

RjS

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--001a11490d46fa23a30538252563-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 07:21:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5470712D5D0 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); domainkeys=pass (384-bit key) header.from=charles.perkins@earthlink.net header.d=earthlink.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9RLQd_JE6Poy for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69EF512D5F9 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:20:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jPlzp8PS3ILZMPghi17hVS9qX7HNk33ijfupCffeAGQ6IAHliOuNQfF86LLT2QpO; h=Received:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [31.133.162.109] by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bQEqE-00009y-DN for 96attendees@ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:20:46 -0400 To: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> From: Charlie Perkins Message-ID: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:20:42 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956527bd5036cbc8ac7ceb50528140f4228c3569e4387b7d296350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 31.133.162.109 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:21:02 -0000 Hello folks, After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music. If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for your entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows? Harmoniously, Charlie P. 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May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with the other half of my life in this.... On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" wrote: > > Hello folks, > > After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening to > a gentle performance of some classical guitar music. > > If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this > evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for > your entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows? > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a114f221a5d1a4b0538260f60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as we= ll? I am a classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with= the other half of my life in this....


On Jul 21, 2016 1= 6:21, "Charlie Perkins" <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote:

Hello folks,

After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy liste= ning to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music.

If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening,= where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for your ent= ertainment.=C2=A0 It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows?

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.

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--001a114f221a5d1a4b0538260f60-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 07:27:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6341B12D640 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J-VHrfjGAHFh for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x22f.google.com (mail-lf0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37C6D12D0B7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id g62so63487132lfe.3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk; s=google; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zBesXKgrF4/l2DdkoQStOAdk/ebizU/s+RkXtQ3m1j8=; b=Wqm/jHvodW5P2kK3HgrogizEcR920WXee5BujFJLPV1gJPfeIcbysuacCT9mMk9twy kKh5mQprewQuhS5ZCxERMJcki6hQdGfcseRPkJcuOaV0TR1/c1lktlWVzWWiMpORT+59 X7gQPwpv0f8Lgch7V7euWKGI4hFLeJMeXxztI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zBesXKgrF4/l2DdkoQStOAdk/ebizU/s+RkXtQ3m1j8=; b=flgoW1rKz2sypNtXBLbGwv3WSmI6Pl/P4mt86AH8VtpQPj0aQD+ND4g4UAUdgtzL8K 2pdH/JX0xOngei7wT+vgxHywwa0AFVHt9TD6eQC+RwjrkHDX3oTMBsntoqC3abRNKn0e NPrwlPYEogmblVPuDlU1Nmb95Q5C48+HoXUvg5PghjLUyndOEacXzRAN3ZxJOORfwRX3 80nJjKmD2e9W9JsZSxG3RuNRB6OXqfdRHn3du5VjhqF3TG3QlBn85Et+CdNJYWlQds5R bYVacq6m2jWc8E34wTbSYCBNP/tcD2arB9H35Mid3hO91PhtZHP+WBl7nanyLS6BoJqc ICvA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKPROOOfQt+du/NHQ0hEHZC2PVFXt9ESjrrDP5cDVv2s3D2w54NMcCdJwxeKjagng== X-Received: by 10.25.20.211 with SMTP id 80mr25064297lfu.123.1469111225008; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-98df.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:67c:370:152:ede5:ca97:7f7f:1a97]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 90sm1901648lfw.30.2016.07.21.07.27.04 for <96attendees@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:04 -0700 (PDT) To: 96attendees@ietf.org References: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> From: Cristian Varas Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:27:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:27:12 -0000 I can also bring my own guitar if necessary....we could end up jamming a bit if it happens On 21/07/16 16:20, Charlie Perkins wrote: > > Hello folks, > > After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy > listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music. > > If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this > evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies > for your entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who > knows? > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Thu Jul 21 07:28:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA4712D0B7; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ntpr97uzXko0; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9F9912D5C0; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.1.79] (LAubervilliers-656-1-26-163.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.13.60.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 307C11B7B; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3200\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:21:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8CDEFF6A-923F-442E-AA1B-3A987DEEC041@bangj.com> References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3200) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:27:59 -0000 > On Jul 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are = doing more harm than good. >=20 ... >=20 > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not = provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing = and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >=20 > RjS >=20 Contrary to popular belief, if we all stopped printing, it would be much = worse for the environment. Many forests are kept around to supply paper mills. Without the need for = paper, the trees would not be replanted and the land would be developed = for other purposes. Printing helps the environment. Tom From nobody Thu Jul 21 07:28:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8557712D0B7; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xk_S0vzm2xWj; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D01212D5F9; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.1.79] (LAubervilliers-656-1-26-163.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.13.60.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A3521B7C; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3200\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:24:37 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1C3EF0B4-6900-464B-ABAD-4467B09B0299@bangj.com> References: To: Paul Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3200) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:27:59 -0000 > On Jul 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Paul Hoffman = wrote: >=20 > 1) Please only do this if the app works much more reliably than it = does now. >=20 > --Paul Hoffman I admit the last two conferences have had some rough going with the = iPhone/iPad versions of the app. Changing the backend API did not go smoothly. We are learning from this = and will make it faster and more reliable. But if you have a problem, please send a support note from the Settings. = I rely on these to figure out what problems people are having. Thanks, Tom From nobody Thu Jul 21 07:31:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D07812D0B7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.986 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.986 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); domainkeys=pass (384-bit key) header.from=charles.perkins@earthlink.net header.d=earthlink.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gmavs2mozxZ6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B81912D5C0 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ls+CGxK5qtDEF3zT/UvrNw58OUc9vYnKcsM+trIPucgsiCVwRodw5EZWz9LIIOJ+; h=Received:Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [31.133.162.109] by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bQF07-0003Hu-0S; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:30:59 -0400 To: Cristian Varas References: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> From: Charlie Perkins Message-ID: <01800b62-7c10-a8be-e14f-703cec5264c0@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:30:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0833A8287718364863B04A7D" X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956527bd5036cbc8ac7fbda15adecc8f6e62e55cbcd544cdda6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 31.133.162.109 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:31:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0833A8287718364863B04A7D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Cristian, By all means! Harmoniously, Charlie P. On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote: > > Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a > classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with the > other half of my life in this.... > > > On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" > > > wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy > listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music. > > If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this > evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar > melodies for your entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 > minutes, or who knows? > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --------------0833A8287718364863B04A7D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello Cristian,

By all means!

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.


On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote:

Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with the other half of my life in this....


On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote:

Hello folks,

After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music.

If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for your entertainment.  It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows?

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.

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I'm very appreciative of the app and the effort put in= to it. It is pretty much all I use. The ability to bring up slides easily o= n my phone when sitting in a chair in a crowded room where I don't feel= like balancing my laptop on my lap is something I use a lot.

There was an app updated during the week that I hadn't noticed. I= t solves the zooming issue and now even on my couple of generations old iPh= one, the zoomed maps are blur free.=C2=A0

@Andrew,= there are external batteries to solve that problem.=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 a= t 6:53 AM, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2016, at 14:05, P= at Thaler <pat.thaler@broadco= m.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder why Stuart's zoomed picture has so much better resolution= than on my phone.

He has an iPhone7 ;)

But more seriously, the app is really good, and we should remember that it= =E2=80=99s an (excellent) volunteer effort, and has improved year on year s= ince it was first made available maybe 12-15 IETFs ago. Tom even found time= last IETF to address a couple of issues during the meeting (though deletin= g the app and re downloading it fixed that issue for me). He has debugging = tools on site, or at least did last time, which was much appreciated.

But there=E2=80=99s room for both the app and the paper copy.

Tim


--001a114469c46d7ff105382635cd-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 07:34:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC58C12D67D; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jKbfs_32ldoA; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A31912D0B7; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.1.79] (LAubervilliers-656-1-26-163.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.13.60.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 606F61B7D; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3200\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:27:49 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <12EA2EEA-FCF9-4867-85B7-01CEF719B925@bangj.com> References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3200) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:34:25 -0000 > On Jul 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are = doing more harm than good. >=20 ... >=20 > Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not = provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing = and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >=20 > RjS >=20 Contrary to popular belief, if we all stopped printing, it would be much = worse for the environment. Many forests are kept around to supply paper mills. Without the need for = paper, the trees would not be replanted and the land would be developed = for other purposes. Printing helps the environment. Tom From nobody Thu Jul 21 07:59:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E5412D5F9 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O7StAcPzKuVq for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA8C12B050 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3242CC9C; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:59:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pK8NFOQ80pvD; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:59:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DD32CC45; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:59:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3D0C3D5C-BC85-4D60-98AC-DBE30CBF0CCB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:59:46 +0200 Message-Id: <6B2363DA-871E-4F7F-9889-85775FC9F801@piuha.net> References: To: Corinne Cath X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: Walter Pienciak , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bouldering in Berlin X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:59:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3D0C3D5C-BC85-4D60-98AC-DBE30CBF0CCB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 There=92s also the Humboldthain Flakt=FCrme, a partially blown-up = structure from the war times. It has climbing routes but also some = bouldering. There are no holds, just rough concrete=85 Links: http://www.climbing-area.info/gebiete/bunker/bunker_main.htm http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=3D3501 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flak_tower http://planetskier.blogspot.com/2015/07/bunker-bouldering.html Recommended, for climbing and historical perspective. If you want to = visit the inside of the bunker, berliner-unterwelten.de organises tours. = Climbing is on the outside. Jari --Apple-Mail=_3D0C3D5C-BC85-4D60-98AC-DBE30CBF0CCB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXkONjAAoJEM80gCTQU46qjUIQAKfNT6aqAzwY/wiiqxqxzlwo ZD1QsP3Velv+LwDh56/rm9uXB0KwIP8CKdRpD4WLBIzWXDHr8brAaBzGCMUYhGkN A38BcR2UW2ukfu+BVu9aqLkYDJ6Tr/34B/hZMyNm6Oue7s23bHTLtmb12Asmi4YV RvBiMbkn3D0LkUr1CEC7yxfigetoC81GLK6cCXAj10tpKIdZQDK0DroMHlhtAmUp 6taPwWYvFoZl0XLoHxC2Fl5bpHUOIdQuvzYIauMOEoXyn6vR0ITrhH4Yo/D5kJJ1 IOvxX7BJa0kH1x5dE0JQc9PlQNr1N/GyRzL7c6Ic7rsZGRARcqq7Kh1SNXRstBoI CUsHQhh+1UzRFEoLXvzDTkZCt03CzRTgop+afo6qWBO8YKiHbMtMm4iqBsdC/lOP y1eMEs+rXA2Nx1PQ5OpmUVHaoGwbxuZV4gajY7c0REtu6PpJEf8MO7tgoZc/I7eT tL0uyv2z8ET/UZLrCc0KPg0296ZAia+/By+gCuYDCfSeowlS8AOL2px+BD5EDh+S nFb0GqusO27NV0zVp4bfb2gF1r3yuQivKDsMUmIHRQ+2zAlR0DZ1ROzu7UQFXDqJ zU2jvr6KSVOmmR3oYAHrH7D1TBt7rQlsWEoh2tN7Cby9wXs4ErrzisZ7wopEKjR8 4uVrf9+3MlgOSC7tvavb =UawH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3D0C3D5C-BC85-4D60-98AC-DBE30CBF0CCB-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 08:02:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6E512B050; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:02:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fRSALbv7M-mD; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 492AD12D67B; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1045D200A3; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384D6638BE; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:02:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:02:26 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I'm someone who takes a paper copy, and uses it primarily to figure out the room number, and also to review the map... I can live without the folded sheets though. The projector is good, but it wasn't obvious at first that I could go up to the tablet and push the screen around to see the parts I needed to see. (I can also live without a free T-shirt, and I can live without free cookies, provided that I can find a snack easily, which this hotel makes challenging) Robert Sparks wrote: > We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed > agendas > are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. > We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide > better access to non-stale data. I mostly just use the datatracker agenda ics tool to select my sessions and then import the resulting blhblah?grp,grp.grp,grp URL into my calendar (Google). Google calendar doesn't let me edit the URL so I can't add/remove WGs easily afterwards, so I tend to oversubscribe to WGs, and then use the "Copy to my calendar" to remember which ones are my priority choices. (This also fills in my busyfree info for others... particularly those back home who might need to bug me) I've thought to deal with the can-not-edit-URL by trying to use an Apache Proxypass on my own server (i.e. add layer of indirection.) I didn't get it working, and gave up after 5 minutes a few IETFs ago. The problem with this method is that my "Copy to my calendar" copy does not get updated with agenda changes, so this method is as bad as the paper copy, maybe worse if I copied weeks ago. I could try one of the apps; but I don't think they sync into my calendar. Maybe someone else has some suggestion. An ideal solution would be that when I select things on the agenda page (while logged in), that I'd get ics invites! That might scale poorly.... or maybe it would provide valuable feedback in some way. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV5Dj+YCLcPvd0N1lAQJfBwf/UkCXCIGCyG31sT0+mkBZ27fqGFwc7ALj YC3BZMd5qtMpvegfmwTpkOpr3OJm8GdblX8ZkpT4ED1dv1Fkf7NC7RuwlPzEkEAM yo4xMMp+CJ8/ojzwXrE+E6HGA3rCR6Lu2ZZW6I2+2A/AORUok0AF188C2QJjN2v4 A2U/MGQRBW203GvpMJ3WHgk2NjV34hcPbgquNPv9r5oR5c0ZLxvXBXvpBTgTlz/T UkAD1+89JJZZXRD92P+qvFrLiyVdqd027oksLAyHyfPOotEwvwLb9I0r9Rd+jeST 5XZk6ElRqq5u0Xyu4yBf0VcXNjZOLqC+BrlBTexdSRiox6oF9n3xZQ== =4w3w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 08:11:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C606B12D640 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=shockey.us Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lw2OXgTCzPqm for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (qproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [66.147.248.250]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6723F12D674 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21514 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2016 15:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by qproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2016 15:10:55 -0000 Received: from box462.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.62]) by cmgw2 with id MT5p1t00G1MNPNq01T5swo; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:05:54 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=KaJB72oD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jTEj1adHphCQ5SwrTAOQMg==:117 a=jTEj1adHphCQ5SwrTAOQMg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=MKtGQD3n3ToA:10 a=1oJP67jkp3AA:10 a=ZZnuYtJkoWoA:10 a=8WrITzYgnNwA:10 a=iYKGedMQ2FkA:10 a=cAmyUtKerLwA:10 a=jqBRFv0mrdUA:10 a=ll-iCDY8AAAA:8 a=M0OflfRGAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=1Purrc2uAAAA:8 a=2XxDvuMUAAAA:8 a=SSMX_keBk6M-CuRYo1MA:9 a=wI0lm3h-FjojF9rv:21 a=Z3Ycsj48nRqUwEo2:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ivbTfD_dPm4A:10 a=VpyrLIdO_Ztbr3SWPBuH:22 a=6yl0mh0s51TKORVA8GqK:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=0FTg02HnwMPip9i--eFe:22 a=IfFLB24aErD9igj8xSD1:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shockey.us; s=default; h=Content-transfer-encoding:Content-type:Mime-version:In-Reply-To :References:Message-ID:CC:To:From:Subject:Date; bh=O8/hZCK6C+h0oaSOxhgV0SxPjgbya5bkrx9dpAHRH88=; b=YvBZQe+uDU0yfdED1vh1LJnSr7 Qjacbf6quZmOhpvKvnZ43tgC3sAUOAFbpn+JQfp/qmwI66cStH5u/c7cU3Gm8GyhNXtkk7FYPyckQ wzjkXNikyYo6zGC2GvEYE0x6/; Received: from [31.133.143.179] (port=53820) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bQFXq-0006Z0-GR; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:05:50 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.18.0.160709 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:05:32 +0200 From: Richard Shockey To: Tim Chown , Randall Gellens Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 31.133.143.179 authed with richard+shockey.us} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box462.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - shockey.us X-Source-IP: 31.133.143.179 X-Exim-ID: 1bQFXq-0006Z0-GR X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([31.133.143.179]) [31.133.143.179]:53820 X-Source-Auth: richard+shockey.us X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: c2hvY2tleXU7c2hvY2tleXU7Ym94NDYyLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "Livingood, Jason" , Dave Taht Subject: Re: [96attendees] Alternative Give Aways (Was: T-Shirts) X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:11:02 -0000 Baseball caps. We haven=E2=80=99t had those yet, or if we have I cant remember.=20 =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 On 7/21/16, 11:57 AM, "96attendees on behalf of Tim Chown" <96attendees-bou= nces@ietf.org on behalf of tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: > On 20 Jul 2016, at 20:49, Randall Gellens = wrote: >=20 > At 6:01 PM +0000 7/20/16, Jason Livingood wrote: >=20 >> I ask this as a co-sponsor of an upcoming meeting=C2=8A I know t-shirts = are sacred of course. Anything else folks would prefer other than a t-shirt = (as a selectable option) or in addition? >=20 > Some past IETFs distributed knapsacks/backpacks in addition to T-shir= ts, which proved extremely popular. I still see people with them. One IETF= distributed fleece pull-overs (I suppose because there had been complaints = about too-cold rooms). I'm not sure if the socks suggestion was made in jest= , but personally, I think socks would be a pointless waste of money. Others= may have a different idea. =20 T-shirts are great.=20 =20 The two most useful other freebies I=E2=80=99ve seen of late are bags (Comcas= t, IETF86, very high quality, limited in number) and a week-long SIM card (L= ACNIC, IETF95, removed all data headaches for the week). 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Being a = hearing-aid equipped IETFer, here some comments on the acoustics and how = it affects the audibility.

 

The larger = rooms (Potsdam I and III) are quite boomy with a very audible echo from = the rear wall, this creates a lot of inter-symbol interference. =

Smaller = rooms like Bellevue are better sound reinforced with curtains on the = walls, generally the small rooms worked better.

 

PA speakers = : Preferably monitor loudspeakers should face the talker, the talkers = were now sort of behind the loudspeakers and given the directivity = pattern it is more or less only the bass and midrange that reaches the = talker.

 

Food for = thought: Perhaps the PA should be complemented with hearing loops, = atleast for the larger rooms (that are well spaced to avoid = overhearing), most hearing aids support this although I don=E2=80=99t = believe mine are configured for this.

 

/Ingemar=

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Ingemar = Johansson  M.Sc.

Master = Researcher

 

Ericsson = AB

Wireless = Access Networks

Labratoriegr=C3= =A4nd 11

971 28, = Lule=C3=A5, Sweden

Phone +46-1071 = 43042

SMS/MMS +46-73 = 078 3289

ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com

www.ericsson.com

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Real knowledge is to = know the

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This map works on every platform that has a PDF viewer: https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/floor-plans.pdf Zooms very well on any phone, and you can store it locally for access = even when the network is down. 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On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Ingemar Johansson S < ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi > > Being a hearing-aid equipped IETFer, here some comments on the acoustics > and how it affects the audibility. > > > > The larger rooms (Potsdam I and III) are quite boomy with a very audible > echo from the rear wall, this creates a lot of inter-symbol interference. > > Smaller rooms like Bellevue are better sound reinforced with curtains on > the walls, generally the small rooms worked better. > > > > PA speakers : Preferably monitor loudspeakers should face the talker, the > talkers were now sort of behind the loudspeakers and given the directivit= y > pattern it is more or less only the bass and midrange that reaches the > talker. > > > > Food for thought: Perhaps the PA should be complemented with hearing > loops, atleast for the larger rooms (that are well spaced to avoid > overhearing), most hearing aids support this although I don=E2=80=99t bel= ieve mine > are configured for this. > > > > /Ingemar > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Ingemar Johansson M.Sc. > > Master Researcher > > > > Ericsson AB > > Wireless Access Networks > > Labratoriegr=C3=A4nd 11 > > 971 28, Lule=C3=A5, Sweden > > Phone +46-1071 43042 > > SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 > > ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com > > www.ericsson.com > > > > Real knowledge is to know the > > extent of one's ignorance > > Confucius > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a114b0e86bbf95805382714b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This would be a good thing to capture in David Black's= meeting venue considerations document.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Ingemar Johans= son S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> wrot= e:

Hi

Being a hearing-aid equipped IETFer, here some comments o= n the acoustics and how it affects the audibility.

=

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The larger rooms (Potsdam I and III) are quite boomy with a very audibl= e echo from the rear wall, this creates a lot of inter-symbol interference.=

Smaller rooms like Bellev= ue are better sound reinforced with curtains on the walls, generally the sm= all rooms worked better.

=C2=A0

PA speakers : Preferab= ly monitor loudspeakers should face the talker, the talkers were now sort o= f behind the loudspeakers and given the directivity pattern it is more or l= ess only the bass and midrange that reaches the talker.

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Food for thought: Perhaps the PA should be complemented with heari= ng loops, atleast for the larger rooms (that are well spaced to avoid overh= earing), most hearing aids support this although I don=E2=80=99t believe mi= ne are configured for this.

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Ingemar Johansson=C2=A0 M.Sc.

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Ericsson AB

Wireless Access Networks

Labratoriegr=C3=A4nd 11<= u>

971 28= , Lule=C3=A5, Sweden

Phone +46-1071 43042

SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289

ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com

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=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Real knowledge is = to know the

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Le 21/07/2016 =E0 17:28, Ingemar Johansson S a =E9crit : > > Hi > > Being a hearing-aid equipped IETFer, here some comments on the=20 > acoustics and how it affects the audibility. > > The larger rooms (Potsdam I and III) are quite boomy with a very=20 > audible echo from the rear wall, this creates a lot of inter-symbol=20 > interference. > > Smaller rooms like Bellevue are better sound reinforced with curtains=20 > on the walls, generally the small rooms worked better. > > PA speakers : Preferably monitor loudspeakers should face the talker,=20 > the talkers were now sort of behind the loudspeakers and given the=20 > directivity pattern it is more or less only the bass and midrange that = > reaches the talker. > > Food for thought: Perhaps the PA should be complemented with hearing=20 > loops, atleast for the larger rooms (that are well spaced to avoid=20 > overhearing), most hearing aids support this although I don=92t believe= =20 > mine are configured for this. > I am not sure what you mean by 'hearing aids', but I did practice some=20 time to listen with headphones to the mp3 stream of the meeting, while=20 in the room. This gives more clarity to the sound, so one can=20 understand better what's being said. But there are issues with that: - latency: the minimal I could record was around 30seconds, which is=20 huge. This is the difference between the moment the person says=20 something and when you hear it in the headphones. - it is desirable to be able to listen the last 5 seconds or so (a brief = 'rewind'). This is not implemented, but the need is huge. This would=20 answer the question 'what did he say?'; it would avoid wait for the=20 meeting minutes, ask it again on jabber, and so on. Just look at the=20 jabber logs and see the clarification questions. Alex > /Ingemar > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Ingemar Johansson M.Sc. > > Master Researcher > > Ericsson AB > > Wireless Access Networks > > Labratoriegr=E4nd 11 > > 971 28, Lule=E5, Sweden > > Phone +46-1071 43042 > > SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 > > ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com > > www.ericsson.com > > Real knowledge is to know the > > extent of one's ignorance > > Confucius > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --------------FC7ADE55F2C8001DFBEA0064 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 


Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l 0169089223.
Le 21/07/2016 =E0 17:28, Ingemar Johansson S a =E9crit=A0:

Hi

Being a hearing-aid equipped IETFer, here some comments on the acoustics and how it affects the audibility.

=A0

The larger rooms (Potsdam I and III) are quite boomy with a very audible echo from the rear wall, this creates a lot of inter-symbol interference.

Smaller rooms like Bellevue are better sound reinforced with curtains on the walls, generally the small rooms worked better.

=A0

PA speakers : Preferably monitor loudspeakers should face the talker, the talkers were now sort of behind the loudspeakers and given the directivity pattern it is more or less only the bass and midrange that reaches the talker.

=A0

Food for thought: Perhaps the PA should be complemented with hearing loops, atleast for the larger rooms (that are well spaced to avoid overhearing), most hearing aids support this although I don=92t believe mine are configured for this.


I am not sure what you mean by 'hearing aids', but I did practice some time to listen with headphones to the mp3 stream of the meeting, while in the room.=A0 This gives more clarity to the sound, so one can understand better what's being said.

But there are issues with that:
- latency: the minimal I could record was around 30seconds, which is huge.=A0 This is the difference between the moment the person says something and
=A0 when you hear it in the headphones.
- it is desirable to be able to listen the last 5 seconds or so (a brief 'rewind').=A0 This is not implemented, but the need is huge.=A0= This would answer the question 'what did he say?'; it would avoid wait for the meeting minutes, ask it again on jabber, and so on.=A0 Just look at the jabber logs and see the clarification questions.
=
Alex

=A0

/Ingemar

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Ingemar Johansson=A0 M.Sc.

Master Researcher

=A0

Ericsson AB

Wireless Access Networks

Labratoriegr=E4nd 11

971 28, Lule=E5, Sweden

Phone +46-1071 43042

SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289

ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com=

www.ericsson.com

=A0

=A0=A0=A0 Real knowledge= is to know the

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0extent of one's ignorance

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Confucius<= o:p>

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([fe80::28c6:fa1c:91c6:2e23]) by XCT104CNC.rim.net ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:39:41 -0400 From: Andrew Allen To: Pat Thaler , Tim Chown Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas Thread-Index: AQHR40vl1OuxFVfLREG+S4xfWryHZaAjGA6AgAAC7YCAAAGBAIAAAQCAgAANXwCAAAtxgP//z03M Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:39:40 +0000 Message-ID: <20160721153937.6570072.30623.25247@blackberry.com> References: <2760A746-BCDB-43F4-99A2-116A0E672DCB@apple.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2016072115393765700723062325247blackberrycom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Stuart Cheshire , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Paul Wouters , Paul Hoffman , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:39:46 -0000 --_000_2016072115393765700723062325247blackberrycom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's the environmental impact of extra batteries compared to a 1/3 of a s= heet of A4? Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Pat Thaler Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 16:34 To: Tim Chown Cc: Stuart Cheshire; 96attendees@ietf.org; Paul Wouters; Paul Hoffman; ietf= @ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agend= as I'm very appreciative of the app and the effort put into it. It is pretty m= uch all I use. The ability to bring up slides easily on my phone when sitti= ng in a chair in a crowded room where I don't feel like balancing my laptop= on my lap is something I use a lot. There was an app updated during the week that I hadn't noticed. It solves t= he zooming issue and now even on my couple of generations old iPhone, the z= oomed maps are blur free. @Andrew, there are external batteries to solve that problem. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Tim Chown > wrote: > On 21 Jul 2016, at 14:05, Pat Thaler > wrote: > > I wonder why Stuart's zoomed picture has so much better resolution than o= n my phone. He has an iPhone7 ;) But more seriously, the app is really good, and we should remember that it= =92s an (excellent) volunteer effort, and has improved year on year since i= t was first made available maybe 12-15 IETFs ago. Tom even found time last = IETF to address a couple of issues during the meeting (though deleting the = app and re downloading it fixed that issue for me). He has debugging tools = on site, or at least did last time, which was much appreciated. But there=92s room for both the app and the paper copy. Tim --_000_2016072115393765700723062325247blackberrycom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Pat Thaler
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 16:34
To: Tim Chown
Cc: Stuart Cheshire; 96attendees@ietf.org; Paul Wouters; Paul H= offman; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-p= rinted agendas

I'm very appreciative of the app and the effort put into i= t. It is pretty much all I use. The ability to bring up slides easily on my= phone when sitting in a chair in a crowded room where I don't feel like ba= lancing my laptop on my lap is something I use a lot.

There was an app updated during the week that I hadn't noticed. It sol= ves the zooming issue and now even on my couple of generations old iPhone, = the zoomed maps are blur free. 

@Andrew, there are external batteries to solve that problem. 

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.= ac.uk> wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2016, at 14:05, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder why Stuart's zoomed picture has so much better resolution tha= n on my phone.

He has an iPhone7 ;)

But more seriously, the app is really good, and we should remember that it= =92s an (excellent) volunteer effort, and has improved year on year since i= t was first made available maybe 12-15 IETFs ago. Tom even found time last = IETF to address a couple of issues during the meeting (though deleting the app and re downloading it fixed th= at issue for me). He has debugging tools on site, or at least did last time= , which was much appreciated.

But there=92s room for both the app and the paper copy.

Tim


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Sigh. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Black, David wrote: > > This would be a good thing to capture in David Black's meeting venue > considerations document. > > > > That=E2=80=99s not my document ... Thanks, --David > > > > *From:* 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *= Ted > Lemon > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:36 AM > *To:* Ingemar Johansson S > *Cc:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [96attendees] Conference room acoustics and hearing > > > > This would be a good thing to capture in David Black's meeting venue > considerations document. > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Ingemar Johansson S < > ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Hi > > Being a hearing-aid equipped IETFer, here some comments on the acoustics > and how it affects the audibility. > > > > The larger rooms (Potsdam I and III) are quite boomy with a very audible > echo from the rear wall, this creates a lot of inter-symbol interference. > > Smaller rooms like Bellevue are better sound reinforced with curtains on > the walls, generally the small rooms worked better. > > > > PA speakers : Preferably monitor loudspeakers should face the talker, the > talkers were now sort of behind the loudspeakers and given the directivit= y > pattern it is more or less only the bass and midrange that reaches the > talker. > > > > Food for thought: Perhaps the PA should be complemented with hearing > loops, atleast for the larger rooms (that are well spaced to avoid > overhearing), most hearing aids support this although I don=E2=80=99t bel= ieve mine > are configured for this. > > > > /Ingemar > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Ingemar Johansson M.Sc. > > Master Researcher > > > > Ericsson AB > > Wireless Access Networks > > Labratoriegr=C3=A4nd 11 > > 971 28, Lule=C3=A5, Sweden > > Phone +46-1071 43042 > > SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 > > ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com > > www.ericsson.com > > > > Real knowledge is to know the > > extent of one's ignorance > > Confucius > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > --001a113f20b8d24d8f0538277600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, Fred Baker, not David Black. =C2=A0 Sigh.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at= 5:57 PM, Black, David <david.black@emc.com> wrote:

> This would be a good thing to capture in David Black's meeting v= enue considerations document.

=C2=A0

That=E2=80=99s not= my document ... Thanks, --David

=C2=A0

From: 96attend= ees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ted Lemon
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Ingemar Johansson S
Cc: 96atte= ndees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Conference room acoustics and hearing<= /u>

=C2=A0

This would be a good thing to capture in David Black= 's meeting venue considerations document.

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Ingemar Johansson S= <= ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi

Being a hearing-aid equipped IETFer, he= re some comments on the acoustics and how it affects the audibility.=

=C2=A0

The larger rooms (Potsdam I and III) ar= e quite boomy with a very audible echo from the rear wall, this creates a lot of inter-symbol interference.

Smaller rooms like Bellevue are better = sound reinforced with curtains on the walls, generally the small rooms work= ed better.

=C2=A0

PA speakers : Preferably monitor loudsp= eakers should face the talker, the talkers were now sort of behind the loud= speakers and given the directivity pattern it is more or less only the bass and mid= range that reaches the talker.

=C2=A0

Food for thought: Perhaps the PA should= be complemented with hearing loops, atleast for the larger rooms (that are well spaced to avoid overhearing), most hearing aids support this alth= ough I don=E2=80=99t believe mine are configured for this.=

=C2=A0

/Ingemar

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Ingemar Johansson=C2=A0 M.Sc.

Master Researcher

=C2=A0

Ericsson AB

Wireless Access Networks

Labratoriegr=C3=A4nd 11

971 28, Lule=C3=A5, Sweden

Phone +46-1071 43042

SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289

ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com

www.ericsson.com

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Real knowledge is to know the

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0extent of one's ignorance

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Confucius

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:21:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2D43F56C-02D0-43E0-A59A-253501B0E687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hello Alex, > But there are issues with that: > - latency: the minimal I could record was around 30seconds, which is = huge. This is the difference between the moment the person says = something and=20 > when you hear it in the headphones. FWIW, the mp3 is just one of the audio feeds provided by Meetecho. If = you=92re looking for a real-time option, you can listen to either the = RTSP or the WebRTC streams. 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This gives more clarity to the sound, so one can = understand better what's being said. >=20 > But there are issues with that: > - latency: the minimal I could record was around 30seconds, which is = huge. This is the difference between the moment the person says = something and=20 > when you hear it in the headphones. > - it is desirable to be able to listen the last 5 seconds or so (a = brief 'rewind'). This is not implemented, but the need is huge. This = would answer the question 'what did he say?'; it would avoid wait for = the meeting minutes, ask it again on jabber, and so on. Just look at = the jabber logs and see the clarification questions. >=20 > Alex >=20 >> =20 >> /Ingemar >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Ingemar Johansson M.Sc.=20 >> Master Researcher >> =20 >> Ericsson AB >> Wireless Access Networks >> Labratoriegr=E4nd 11 >> 971 28, Lule=E5, Sweden >> Phone +46-1071 43042 >> SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 >> ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com = >> www.ericsson.com >> =20 >> Real knowledge is to know the=20 >> extent of one's ignorance >> Confucius >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees = --Apple-Mail=_2D43F56C-02D0-43E0-A59A-253501B0E687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Hello Alex,


But there are issues = with that:
- latency: the minimal I could = record was around 30seconds, which is huge.  This is the difference = between the moment the person says something and 
  when you hear it in the = headphones.

FWIW, the mp3 is just one of the audio feeds provided by = Meetecho. If you=92re looking for a real-time option, you can listen to = either the RTSP or the WebRTC streams.

Simon


            =           =   _\\|//_
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      = ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  =                 =    = Simon Pietro Romano
    =            Universita' di = Napoli Federico II
        =               Computer Engineering = Department 
           =   Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816
                =                     =        e-mail: spromano@unina.it

    <<Molti mi = dicono che lo scoraggiamento =E8 l'alibi degli 
=     idioti. Ci rifletto un istante; e mi = scoraggio>>. Magritte.
      =                 =                oooO
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( =   )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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On 21 Jul 2016, at 17:37, Alexandre PETRESCU <alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr> wrote:


Alexandre Petrescu,
Ing=E9nieur Chercheur, AS,
CEA-SAC/DRT/LIST/DIASI/LSC,
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=E9l =
0169089223.
Le 21/07/2016 =E0 17:28, Ingemar = Johansson S a =E9crit :
Hi
Being a hearing-aid = equipped IETFer, here some comments on the acoustics and how it affects = the audibility.
 
The larger rooms (Potsdam = I and III) are quite boomy with a very audible echo from the rear wall, = this creates a lot of inter-symbol interference. 
Smaller rooms like Bellevue are better sound reinforced with = curtains on the walls, generally the small rooms worked better.
 
PA speakers : Preferably monitor loudspeakers = should face the talker, the talkers were now sort of behind the = loudspeakers and given the directivity pattern it is more or less only = the bass and midrange that reaches the talker.
 
Food for thought: Perhaps the PA should be = complemented with hearing loops, atleast for the larger rooms (that are = well spaced to avoid overhearing), most hearing aids support this = although I don=92t believe mine are configured for = this.

I am not sure what = you mean by 'hearing aids', but I did practice some time to listen with = headphones to the mp3 stream of the meeting, while in the room.  = This gives more clarity to the sound, so one can understand better = what's being said.

But there are issues with that:
- latency: the = minimal I could record was around 30seconds, which is huge.  This = is the difference between the moment the person says something and 
  when you hear it in the headphones.
-= it is desirable to be able to listen the last 5 seconds or so (a brief = 'rewind').  This is not implemented, but the need is huge.  = This would answer the question 'what did he say?'; it would avoid wait = for the meeting minutes, ask it again on jabber, and so on.  Just = look at the jabber logs and see the clarification questions.

Alex

 
/Ingemar
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Ingemar Johansson  M.Sc. 
Master Researcher
 
Ericsson AB
Wireless Access Networks
Labratoriegr=E4nd 11
971 28, Lule=E5, Sweden
Phone +46-1071 43042
SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289
ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com
www.ericsson.com
 
    Real knowledge = is to know the 
       extent of = one's ignorance
          &nb= sp;      Confucius
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00:45:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: Ted Lemon To: "Banks, Sarah" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114124b46bcd7905382d14d9 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:46:01 -0000 --001a114124b46bcd7905382d14d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Viel Spa=C3=9F! On Jul 22, 2016 00:16, "Banks, Sarah" wrote: > Good evening, > I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network > teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for > organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. Wha= t > a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF meeting > (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping we see it > again at IETF 97. > > Thanks > Sarah > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a114124b46bcd7905382d14d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Viel Spa=C3=9F!


On Jul 22, 2016 0= 0:16, "Banks, Sarah" <Sarah.Banks@netscout.com> wrote:
Good evening,
I wanted to take a minute,= before the madness that is checkout-network teardown-find a cab that is Fr= iday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for organizing a most entertaining, engagi= ng, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an= IETF meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's h= oping we see it again at IETF 97.

Thanks
Sarah


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On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > Viel Spa=C3=9F! > > > On Jul 22, 2016 00:16, "Banks, Sarah" wrote: >> >> Good evening, >> I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network >> teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for >> organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. Wh= at a >> thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF meeting (out= side >> of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping we see it again at >> IETF 97. >> >> Thanks >> Sarah >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! 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[52.207.207.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i33sm743858qtd.28.2016.07.21.16.10.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----sinikael-?=_1-14691426500860.2405154083389789" From: Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:10:49 +0200 X-Cm-Message-Id: 14691426500039293421e2b909fd8ae550c2dc0bcca4af215791567a00fd91898784856 X-Cm-Draft-Id: WyJhIiw3LCJkcmFmdF9pZCIsIjE0NjkxNDI2NDkwMDAiLCJjIiwiMTU0MDUwNDMwODY1MzA2MjE3NyIsInYiLDFd X-Mailer: CloudMagic MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , "Banks, Sarah" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 23:10:54 -0000 ------sinikael-?=_1-14691426500860.2405154083389789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was beyond great. Thoroughly enjoyable. Sent using CloudMagic Email = [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=3Dpi&cv=3D7.6.23&pv=3D9.= 3&source=3Demail_footer_2] On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Dave Taht = wrote: was it filmed? On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:45 = AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > Viel Spa=C3=9F! > > > On Jul 22, 2016 00:16, "Banks, Sarah" wrote: >> >> Good evening, >> I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that = is checkout-network >> teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to = Aaron Falk for >> organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical = Pecha Kucha. What a >> thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during = an IETF meeting (outside >> of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's = hoping we see it again at >> IETF 97. >> >> Thanks >> Sarah >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing = list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96att= endees >> > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > -- Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees ------sinikael-?=_1-14691426500860.2405154083389789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It was beyond great. Thoroughly enjoyable.=  


On Fri, Jul 22= , 2016 at 12:48 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> = wrote:
was it filmed?

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at = 12:45 AM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
> Viel Spa=C3=9F!=
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2016 00:16, "Banks, Sarah" <Sarah.= Banks@netscout.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good evening,=
>> I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is = checkout-network
>> teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say = thanks to Aaron Falk for
>> organizing a most entertaining, = engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. What a
>> thoroughly = pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF meeting = (outside
>> of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping = we see it again at
>> IETF 97.
>>
>> = Thanks
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> = _______________________________________________
>> 96attendees = mailing list
>> 96attendees@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees
>>
>
> = _______________________________________________
> 96attendees mailing= list
> 96attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees
>



--
Dave = T=C3=A4ht
Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better = software!
http://blog.cerowrt.org

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+3.14159

It was a hilarious & wonderful way to spend an hour - en= joying jokes & concerns that we IETFers share.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I particular= ly loved the curious pigeons & the "encrypted" ROT13 date.

Thank you!
Alia


On Jul 22, 2016 1= 2:16 AM, "Banks, Sarah" <Sarah.Banks@netscout.com> wrote:
Good evening,
I wanted to take a minute,= before the madness that is checkout-network teardown-find a cab that is Fr= iday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for organizing a most entertaining, engagi= ng, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an= IETF meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's h= oping we see it again at IETF 97.

Thanks
Sarah


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--001a113df2aaaa3cf005382d5c09-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 19:32:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F064112D775 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:32:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.739 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0snA1lsRQhGZ for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (unknown [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47A9E12DD50 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=31.133.150.68; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Banks, Sarah'" , <96attendees@ietf.org> References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: <027001d1e3c1$308d1280$91a73780$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0271_01D1E39F.A97C35D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJ3blQW73GdEUFDaEx5pLGOSdH+kJ7YpT+Q X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:32:26 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0271_01D1E39F.A97C35D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1. The wild life was wonderful =E2=80=93 pigeons, unicorns, and more = =20 From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Banks, Sarah Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:16 PM To: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha =20 Good evening, I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network = teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for = organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. = What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF = meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping = we see it again at IETF 97. =20 Thanks Sarah =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0271_01D1E39F.A97C35D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The wild life was wonderful =E2=80=93 pigeons, = unicorns, and more

 

From:= = 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Banks, Sarah
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:16 = PM
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [96attendees] = Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha = Kucha

 

Good evening,

I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network = teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for = organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. = What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF = meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping = we see it again at IETF 97.

 

Thanks

Sarah

 

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([2001:420:c0c8:1001::40b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j7sm16664344paa.30.2016.07.21.23.17.11 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 23:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <578FD32F.8020209@ilsf.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:17:09 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4A510D62-8E88-4C23-8F4A-738EA0D28B7A@gmail.com> References: <20160719081608.GB45860@shrubbery.net> <578FD32F.8020209@ilsf.de> To: Michael Breuer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] RIPE probes X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:17:16 -0000 I have one that I can give up. > On Jul 20, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Michael Breuer = wrote: >=20 > Hej, >=20 > do you still have any Atlas probes? >=20 > Michael Breuer >=20 >=20 > On 07/20/16 10:52, Nathalie Trenaman wrote: >> I still have 5 Atlas probes to hand out. I will be around the = fussball tables from 13:30 - 14:00 today if you want to pick one up. >>=20 >> Nathalie K=FCnneke-Trenaman >> IPv6 Program Manager >> RIPE NCC=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 19 Jul 2016, at 12:52, Michal Krsek wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>> I'm bringing five RIPE Atlas probes with me https://atlas.ripe.net/ >>>=20 >>> Will be at the venue till aroud 5pm, please send me e-mail if you = want to host one. >>>=20 >>> Overseas pariticipants preferable. >>>=20 >>> With kind regards >>> Michal Krsek >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 96attendees mailing list >>> 96attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Fri Jul 22 00:43:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9B112D5EB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:43:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=tmkroeger-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1s1h8tq_o4ke for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x229.google.com (mail-wm0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B22F12D9B5 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id o80so53336954wme.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:43:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tmkroeger-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=gJo3Z1hGjiOUx5WsZGpDov2mzT0MH1OoG7kcIvurou0=; b=jY3pxQ+X1Rnac8rMFROUHG9wplrX+X9KA7kbajkqpsw07tq1v76SoOe90DUw4Fb70h 0FSWU2TxwR+WeKDliJPze/7Aa8GbGMLHtiM57QXXzT5khw46Of8GRdNRMFxaPkokfodc H/N8noHPfFfPkYyWkJuwMlDHsoWK5oPP/6O0mNhm+pSLmpG1MU5RMGM0XIRMo4YvETam 3KUnim6UxVX52WzT4uDaMJN8U/DZU5YOkvDSVkwt2Z+g8W6jRlvryJTsRzQgu2H2bBlW PuZ4EjEB91LLXkBIhSedGyrkiYnt/opQVh0aI16NZp6uvql+fZGQQJugr0ExU4jid5DU t0zw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=gJo3Z1hGjiOUx5WsZGpDov2mzT0MH1OoG7kcIvurou0=; b=VDwEV2twUuR5bHruItRS0Qa1/FFJnLH/ayN29sLtfwW3SdYAvCwndVOtuJRfuviWry vbFICXZlI/aDVmxEUJlktIHuRT8Ekb/BRDOq759T7ECol2oDPopgTZt9cMZMYbMmp+Kj HJhf9eQKuMPn5lIfbUk2OZIKGc72Ht1bXSSdNII2BxkRbg28BjSeNEt1W3epgFlxvRqG mVqpTovqd3/XsgxuQOIRPRv+iEduNeCM4Z86EoAGa3Re/uxwcRUvHVcpenRPdMhhKvea 72uDHCmPa+8ZC0B6SjojKlnthFCrdBgHfsdqIL9BCXTtbXed7rJ16o6oyEEYGVfWFkCC RN7A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKZN3kJxnTMR3JJ3HmbKXIn6HeoQ3kCmxcELmNIZxyNY7FNosQ8IqbmgAygV7t2Cdv0TH11xp+K6mY5BA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.184.82 with SMTP id i79mr24561630wmf.26.1469173385025; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.213.66 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.213.66 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 00:43:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <027001d1e3c1$308d1280$91a73780$@ndzh.com> References: <027001d1e3c1$308d1280$91a73780$@ndzh.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:43:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tom M Kroeger To: Susan Hares Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b30e2ba8ef105383495c9 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "Banks, Sarah" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:43:09 -0000 --001a114b30e2ba8ef105383495c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's good to know that there was dual stack support as well. But then my opinion might differ from what people want to hear. :-) Aaron -- thank you! On Jul 22, 2016 4:32 AM, "Susan Hares" wrote: > +1. The wild life was wonderful =E2=80=93 pigeons, unicorns, and more > > > > *From:* 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *= Banks, > Sarah > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:16 PM > *To:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha > > > > Good evening, > > I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network > teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for > organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. Wha= t > a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF meeting > (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping we see it > again at IETF 97. > > > > Thanks > > Sarah > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --001a114b30e2ba8ef105383495c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's good to know that there was dual stack support as w= ell. But then my opinion might differ from what people want to hear. :-)

Aaron -- thank you!


On Jul 22, 2016 4= :32 AM, "Susan Hares" <shar= es@ndzh.com> wrote:

+1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The wild life w= as wonderful =E2=80=93 pigeons, unicorns, and more

=C2=A0

From:= 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of <= /b>Banks, Sarah
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:16 PM
To: 96attendees@ie= tf.org
Subject: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the= Pecha Kucha

= =C2=A0

Good evening,

I wanted to take a minute, before the madnes= s that is checkout-network teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks= to Aaron Falk for organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical= Pecha Kucha. What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an= IETF meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's h= oping we see it again at IETF 97.

=C2=A0

Thanks

Sar= ah

=C2=A0

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A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 Jul 2016 08:32:58.4842 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB1821 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Francis Dupont , "ietf@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:33:04 -0000 > On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Oliver Hahm wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 >>> Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not=20 >>> provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing= =20 >>> and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >>=20 >> =3D> I believe the secretariat already limited the number of printed >> mini-agendas and I am sure they are given only on explicit demand >> (versus to everyboday as it wa done some years ago). >=20 > Yes, that's what is happening and I think it is a very good approach. The= re > are people without smart phones (or phones that doesn't support appstores= for > various reasons). Also, lookup time on the paper agenda is always O(1) wh= ich > is a clear advantage for me. Use the stars to mark "favorites" for things you intend to attend. Select the tab toggle to "favorites" to filter things. Tap 'now'.=20 Pretty darned close to O(1).=20 -- Jeff >=20 > Cheers, > Oleg > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Fri Jul 22 01:34:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E0E12D1A4 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:34:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cvL8bWbGTXhy for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5A9A12DA24 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id w127so148062631vkh.2 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:34:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nzFGDlv/bipOUNHfeGuWlJsoKWLuaLF0+KzmW7xLBAE=; b=QWeyoPFBETNIQ5KFQa+Vo9Jdz7yYw1j70/Ph0iAiDy0YK/VDBog6AknfZfu/B/e5T7 nVC0iIQSKudLTCEck1pp/CyYb5cc7FvS1cd+4r2vdX2gtNU4VM+LuDeydROVaSw3T4gf eiXtkQgiqSCAWo7UUHGSGu1TcEvH4YDl5MWUvJc2cQAjfYNjNdultoLTIt2AyW9GwHCO 6ozLBNFMTwwej2pSdd9lnzW7TPB0XsfpCVY6sINFV5KVkOy1bCv0fgzm6m24Ztkyx822 13TW340emogd58rCwbMQB537EFfM6y5JC0rr1f6WBw7pjXETtZg5HHEytC2c7r6mCIhm 49mg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nzFGDlv/bipOUNHfeGuWlJsoKWLuaLF0+KzmW7xLBAE=; b=fgvZtCu3B4n0PpRExokIeqqTwNyBV9SoUo7QyhcHZTlIom/XyhRPg29bhMYf9/fVcq dsmtI0cNfwejhlZsQckyNgYLsnuEDf60FOOJMz8MEqpqqNUfITBPGjOyoWe4XbnmzT3x PnVu/LIGKudwA8vUygms8HmuDPJaVkRRQxvJ88FQLjo5RRYRH+nck2Ry4YQqSmVFL+SW +xbyew/pyxH/62Ej2Q7+j//mr1l45cdUBeXhxmWefCdeYpwCWcE89uBjue3tD4tNPu86 wa8FDetJjQLfwYVdROlN5oxqqWST56YenVStyQuGEq18j4M4I9mQ48819AdgWWdamQap 11Xw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuxn9rypGuBf1knBtjFyE+hWHWaznVkMxMWE0ONeZNchOUkc4hzcktjTOl+ivQpYMs4auuERS3OpuSvZA== X-Received: by 10.31.50.150 with SMTP id y144mr1233765vky.94.1469176490826; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:34:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <027001d1e3c1$308d1280$91a73780$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: From: Aaron Falk Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:34:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: Tom M Kroeger , Susan Hares Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114316c6d922db0538354ef4 Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, "Banks, Sarah" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:34:54 -0000 --001a114316c6d922db0538354ef4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the kind words. The presenters did all the hard work, though. Like everyone else, I had a blast and can't wait to do it again. Start thinking about your Korea pecha kucha's now. One last thought: dual-stacks are delicious! --aaron On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:43 AM Tom M Kroeger wrote: > It's good to know that there was dual stack support as well. But then my > opinion might differ from what people want to hear. :-) > > Aaron -- thank you! > > On Jul 22, 2016 4:32 AM, "Susan Hares" wrote: > >> +1. The wild life was wonderful =E2=80=93 pigeons, unicorns, and more >> >> >> >> *From:* 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of = *Banks, >> Sarah >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:16 PM >> *To:* 96attendees@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha >> >> >> >> Good evening, >> >> I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network >> teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for >> organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. Wh= at >> a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF meeting >> (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping we see it >> again at IETF 97. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Sarah >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees >> >> _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --=20 --aaron =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DShort message from my phone=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --001a114316c6d922db0538354ef4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the kind words.=C2=A0 The presenters did all th= e hard work, though.=C2=A0 Like everyone else, I had a blast and can't = wait to do it again.=C2=A0 Start thinking about your Korea pecha kucha'= s now.

One last thought: dual-stacks are delicious!
<= div>
--aaron

=

It's good to know that there= was dual stack support as well. But then my opinion might differ from what= people want to hear. :-)

Aaron -- thank you!


On Jul 22, 2016 4= :32 AM, "Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

+1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 The wild life was wonderful =E2=80=93 pigeons, unicorns, and more

=C2=A0

From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Banks, Sarah
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 = 6:16 PM
To: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: [96attendees] Applause for= Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha

=C2=A0

Good evening,

I wanted to take a minute= , before the madness that is checkout-network teardown-find a cab that is F= riday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for organizing a most entertaining, engag= ing, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a = late hour during an IETF meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks = Aaron! Here's hoping we see it again at IETF 97.

=C2=A0<= u>

Thanks

Sarah

=C2=A0


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--001a114316c6d922db0538354ef4-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 01:40:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922B712D8AA; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Y-rm7w3JX6J; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D58312D1A4; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 01:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id F3BA3A2; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:40:19 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1469176819; bh=fv05W6W+htfM9ODT4VV3djgrpYISUF6EG77KEVUfrZ8=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=eppOp/9L15aP+JXfRvgIx2M+Wc9K3H79Q4xfRML8+Mzgn+wZ4FwJX2RI2iEx+vxSZ DeahQ582k3TwwxTWNTEwUeq2RjV7hNxLIBA21BAU24WKHKRFSCl6SjcL+jBz5tt8TH qolZerhasm/9t+i9sQbnYro8ygca5MR8NcBcgh2A= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91ACA1; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:40:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:40:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Jeff Haas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: Oliver Hahm , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:40:24 -0000 On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Jeff Haas wrote: > Use the stars to mark "favorites" for things you intend to attend. > Select the tab toggle to "favorites" to filter things. Tap 'now'. > > Pretty darned close to O(1). I use this "starring" mechanism to get stuff into my calendar that I have interest in, then I can decide at the time exactly who of people I work with, go to what session (we often have conflicts and we need to split up). I really like the app, but it lacks two things: 1. Floor map. 2. With for instance the room change where TSVWG and AQM was merged into one session, the app only showed TSVWG, AQM is nowhere to be seen. I did not use the paper agenda this time, so I had to run to the ietf reg to look up the floor plan ~5 times this IETF. But the app is 90-95% there to solving all my needs, so thanks for that! -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Fri Jul 22 02:02:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A274E12DAD6; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6nFno2wViwV6; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x22c.google.com (mail-vk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D1CD12DACF; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id n129so103269808vke.3; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:02:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1Jvhe827Kplha/ZE6ykAeMsBZLOyySih7cRTE0Ko0ec=; b=sChreY6iFqac3fktE8btX4biOEzDALaX81BX+ONQ/rYm6ja9y1A37ONmY4IBCD4smj 2mJvRxxwfvwQh6wIxi7Um06H3SAZyd2Eo35KBE9NAS2AYdI8br87GU9DUYm83EggY/Gs m5HelrboKqza2l225r1IqCKJzyfT21EEtsLhBrxRz51GkqeLH/xKLFxI1qCIejmnQ5Ri HhuzsxIz0MJl47dxVHiEn0vGK8Dyl5QwV09P0gImE9JlmKqfI5TNj/22/J0kgs7Ugq1o bS4WV7+Wtp0c65d34srdnE+JWwkrvzVfptg6o+et5XkHUMb5uKxkD1MRht2DVJqLPEyY kRYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1Jvhe827Kplha/ZE6ykAeMsBZLOyySih7cRTE0Ko0ec=; b=HpzWIA3sq5TaT+LtFiCB8xkh5GHf3l1Yz7ykvousAt9ia3Gssc82ery/tEkOoUeE9X zqPhwDVj24w47gZxTj6sV0LKwWqvzKBtuawuSEi39n/bsmEXpzhKIiUcs+9Vqpe0Rh03 V+txnsR9mSaeGoev+yrhu0Myvv8O8RlcUCYMJ4bWLqpVnV59BxvsvEWXfkwJSAZ+i28V L+DBsVMqpHvgFe5qh9YQA0ebzrVXiwEZzDtPy4VOpOwq59I5Fx5FfGShmlP6tWEqkvMd JnWR7yZ+XzrvnTmgsVkl6/YA/6Al51lwvMp2kVQZD22Csjna6Bb3W2jVADMTE9qKtA5o vsAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvNl0HuvpXKvi5kVJcMzjyM09dEGRvNYBBYVCCGxspiPkFMtQTPvwUmRJA6MyGW5y3tgq29FlIt+LUjDg== X-Received: by 10.31.74.199 with SMTP id x190mr1293587vka.42.1469178157810; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:02:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.37.104 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:02:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 05:02:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mikael Abrahamsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Oliver Hahm , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:02:46 -0000 On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:40 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Jeff Haas wrote: > >> Use the stars to mark "favorites" for things you intend to attend. Select >> the tab toggle to "favorites" to filter things. Tap 'now'. >> >> Pretty darned close to O(1). > > > I use this "starring" mechanism to get stuff into my calendar that I have > interest in, then I can decide at the time exactly who of people I work > with, go to what session (we often have conflicts and we need to split up). > > I really like the app, but it lacks two things: > > 1. Floor map. > > 2. With for instance the room change where TSVWG and AQM was merged into one > session, the app only showed TSVWG, AQM is nowhere to be seen. > > I did not use the paper agenda this time, so I had to run to the ietf reg to > look up the floor plan ~5 times this IETF. I wound up using the map off of the web page for the Berlin meeting and was able to zoom in when needed. This must be different fromt he one in the app or maybe it's my phone? > > But the app is 90-95% there to solving all my needs, so thanks for that! > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Fri Jul 22 02:08:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFC612D7D1; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:08:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E-cz4i9rZ36O; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DDD012D56F; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9CE42A3; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:07:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1469178476; bh=04pjRj2feOn0XzDN/5qKlUjzZLQsPGQ98czxIpWmnMo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=cSaBUHDaoZG8I4hyPjZiRUTxohHVlR5J8vszcFU6L6ShzlWphfqwLp1OQItsyLJGN Hsl+Z4bmNGAclARX+GrIRIWFwrHLt4vPLRrrzmNr/7QK0wW8/uuZItD+TNpZU27gsx rYbQO3B/O7did3RGoHd+ZNIB6UO3spmkID0VoDps= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35927A2; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:07:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Kathleen Moriarty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Oliver Hahm , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:08:00 -0000 On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > I wound up using the map off of the web page for the Berlin meeting and > was able to zoom in when needed. This must be different fromt he one in > the app or maybe it's my phone? No, my bad. It was pointed out to me that "location" in the App is actually the floor map. I just hadn't made that connection and looked at it. So that point is fixed, thanks! -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Fri Jul 22 02:32:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E350912DF37 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OT_EeWJrNy4k for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8AB12DAAB for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6M9WZoY021950 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:32:35 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6M9WZoY021950 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1469179956; bh=lbb/vXueo+fByXx5pwatn2ytINs=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:References; b=XiMn3LonoTG1eaWbNFQ+ju9yHMJXZml/diF0pQby++LyQhyyKWvswx1Erqu3buOGM 8lq+iypPKtd4UKLgTqMPNV8JRRnotaqnZY47zzXaB0GatZpDiOJKEL14dMekOZoYJD U0YTYQV6vdAYL5XVlsQyKfxre2BcEtASAIB676j4= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6LAWZ1723001902j8 ret-id none; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:32:35 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:8919:558f:63be:dc9e] ([IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:8919:558f:63be:dc9e]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6M9WTMk029397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:32:29 +0100 From: Tim Chown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F0E2BB4F-BAC5-425D-9653-B6F29F794B86" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:33:47 +0100 To: 96attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6LAWZ172300190200; tid=s6LAWZ1723001902j8; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 References: <5680FB0D-7944-41D5-AB0C-67A3F7A8CF88@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6M9WZoY021950 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] BCP38 on IETF network? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:32:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F0E2BB4F-BAC5-425D-9653-B6F29F794B86 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Someone told me that it was reported somewhere that the IETF network is = now configured to apply BCP38. This is good news, but I noticed when I ran a test using spoofer(*) that = while spoofed IPv4 source addresses are filtered, the spoofer test toll = suggests that some spoofed IPv6 source addresses get out, including ULA = sources. You can see the spoofer report here: https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Dg2v8s968z6lmz0 = I re-ran the test just now, and got similar results (IPv4 OK, IPv6 some = gets through): https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Db9rpafc7gm41dj = Tim (*) This is a very nice project by CAIDA, for more info and the test = tool download see: https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ = --Apple-Mail=_F0E2BB4F-BAC5-425D-9653-B6F29F794B86 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi,

Someone= told me that it was reported somewhere that the IETF network is now = configured to apply BCP38.

This is good news, but I noticed when I ran a test using = spoofer(*) that while spoofed IPv4 source addresses are filtered, the = spoofer test toll suggests that some spoofed IPv6 source addresses get = out, including ULA sources. You can see the spoofer report = here:
https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Dg2v8s968z6lmz= 0

I re-ran = the test just now, and got similar results (IPv4 OK, IPv6 some gets = through):
https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Db9rpafc7gm41d= j

Tim

(*) This is a very nice project by CAIDA, for more info and = the test tool download see: https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/



= --Apple-Mail=_F0E2BB4F-BAC5-425D-9653-B6F29F794B86-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 03:44:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF74212D9B3 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P6RxDNA0Sb0M for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.239]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B765B12DAA7 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.180.120] ([31.133.180.120]) by p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Mmjk1t0012cFSnz01mjspq; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:43:57 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.6.160626 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:43:43 -0700 From: Peter Yee To: Gregory Mirsky , Steve Blake , Charlie Perkins , Cristian Varas Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm References: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> <01800b62-7c10-a8be-e14f-703cec5264c0@earthlink.net> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ADB8B9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ADB8B9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3552003837_3237778" Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:44:00 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3552003837_3237778 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Allow me to add my thanks for a splendid hour spent listening to beautiful music. The IETF is lucky to have such talented musicians who also masquerade as skilled network engineers. Kind regards, -Peter On 7/21/16, 2:51 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Gregory Mirsky" <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote: Wholeheartedly agree with Steve. Charlie and Cristian, it was immense joy to listen to your performances. Bravo!!! Regards, Greg From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blake Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:11 PM To: Charlie Perkins ; Cristian Varas Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm I would like to thank both Charlie and Cristian for two beautiful guitar performances this evening. For those in attendance, it was a real treat. I look forward to hearing you both play again at a future meeting. Regards, // Steve From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Perkins Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:31 AM To: Cristian Varas Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm Hello Cristian, By all means! Harmoniously, Charlie P.n On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote: > Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a > classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with the other > half of my life in this.... > > > > On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" > wrote: >> >> Hello folks, >> >> After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening to a >> gentle performance of some classical guitar music. >> >> If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening, >> where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for your >> entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows? >> >> Harmoniously, >> Charlie P. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 96attendees mailing list >> 96attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --B_3552003837_3237778 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Allow me to add my thanks for= a splendid hour spent listening to beautiful music.  The IETF is lucky= to have such talented musicians who also masquerade as skilled network engi= neers.

Kind regards,
-Peter

On 7/21/16, 2:51 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Gregory = Mirsky" <96attendees-bounce= s@ietf.org on behalf of gre= gory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

Wholeheartedly agree with Steve.

Charlie and Cristian, it was immense joy to listen to yo= ur performances. Bravo!!!

 

 = ;            &nb= sp;  Regards,

=             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;      Greg

 

 

I would like to = thank both Charlie and Cristian for two beautiful guitar performances this e= vening.  For those in attendance, it was a real treat.  I look forward to hearing you both play again at a future meeting.

 

 

Regards,

 

steve.b= lake@ericsson.com>

 

From: 96at= tendees [mailto:96attendees-bo= unces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Perkins
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016= 10:31 AM
To: Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk>
Cc:<= /b> 96attendees@ietf.org
Sub= ject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm

 

Hello Cristian,

By all means!

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.n

 

On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote:

=

Just a quick question... May I play a couple of = pieces as well? I am a classical and flamenco player and would love to parti= cipate with the other half of my life in this....

 

On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" = <charles.perkins@earthlink= .net> wrote:


Hello folks,

After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening= to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music.

If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening,= where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for your ente= rtainment.  It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows?

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.

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_______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --B_3552003837_3237778-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 03:56:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CEF12DAFB for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJcvS6KAhprw for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9845A12DC77 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79886d000002334-01-5791f061e978 Received: from EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.87]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A2.E7.09012.160F1975; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:07:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:56:05 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan To: "Banks, Sarah" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha Thread-Index: AQHR452DrNOgD1ke6EG0HA+M9Ojveg== Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPuG7ih4nhBmvXmlnsndrEZPF8znxG ByaPJUt+Mnk8aGANYIrisklJzcksSy3St0vgyvj6vZOx4BxLxcWev0wNjLeYuxg5OSQETCSO rZnCCmGLSVy4t54NxBYSOMoo8fScYhcjF5C9nFHizqabYAk2oIYNOz8zgdgiAnESh2dC2MIC bhLn9q+DirtLtHybxQZh60nsWL0PKM7BwSKgKrF2myCIySvgK9E62xrEFBKwl3ja6whSzAh0 wfdTa8CGMAuIS9x6Mp8J4jIBiSV7zkNdLCrx8vE/qIuVJOa8vsYMUa8jsWD3JzYIW1ti2cLX YHFeAUGJkzOfsExgFJmFZOwsJC2zkLTMQtKygJFlFSNHaXFBTm66kcEmRmCwH5Ng093BeH+6 5yFGAQ5GJR7eBbwTw4VYE8uKK3MPMUpwMCuJ8C75BRTiTUmsrEotyo8vKs1JLT7EKM3BoiTO K/ZIMVxIID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmy8TBKdXAuHXlpMs8hxeHlkZtjOPvcr1wqq51aqTshgpt/qyM M1PXsPse3nbosW9q/45j4jJlTSsSzkU8Lf7UHe+1XD9ETV+Cj0VaQOllYVW539m1siJTrr9L FBA7cs7YtDkr/+tVvruBD/p0X2/4wncutlvIef3Mu0cWGmZM4LLc+0rVX1fgR6tW5hpPJZbi jERDLeai4kQATWON1XICAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Applause for Aaron Falk for the Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:56:09 -0000 On 07/21/2016 06:16 PM, Banks, Sarah wrote:=0A= > Good evening,=0A= > I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network=0A= > teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for organi= zing=0A= > a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. 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On Jul 22, 2016 12:36, "Jim Martin" wrote: > > Gentlepeople, > As the meeting comes to a close, we wanted to update everyone on > the shutdown schedule for the IETF Network. The main IETF networks in the > Intercontinental meeting rooms will be removed from meeting rooms > throughout the day as their last meeting ends. The Terminal Room will be > closed at 3pm today. The guest room Internet is scheduled to revert to th= e > traditional Intercontinental network this afternoon, though the current > setup may linger for a while longer, and you=E2=80=99re welcome to use it= as long > as it=E2=80=99s available. > > We hope you all have a good trip home and look forward to seeing > everyone in Seoul! > > - Jim and the NOC Team > > _______________________________________________ > 96all mailing list > 96all@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96all > > --001a11400ee6df9e73053837507f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So long, and thanks for all the pigeons!


On Jul 22, 2016 1= 2:36, "Jim Martin" <jim@da= edelus.com> wrote:

Gentlepeople,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 As the meeting comes to a close, we wanted to u= pdate everyone on the shutdown schedule for the IETF Network. The main IETF= networks in the Intercontinental meeting rooms will be removed from meetin= g rooms throughout the day as their last meeting ends. The Terminal Room wi= ll be closed at 3pm today. The guest room Internet is scheduled to revert t= o the traditional Intercontinental network this afternoon, though the curre= nt setup may linger for a while longer, and you=E2=80=99re welcome to use i= t as long as it=E2=80=99s available.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We hope you all have a good trip home and look = forward to seeing everyone in Seoul!

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Jim and the NOC Team

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--001a11400ee6df9e73053837507f-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 04:26:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E57912DCED for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vi_nX277od3x for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DA8812DCDF for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imladris.daedelus.com (imladris.daedelus.com [206.197.161.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A90B880C2; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from t2001067c03700000413ae052510f9e86.v6.meeting.ietf.org (t2001067c03700000413ae052510f9e86.v6.meeting.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:67c:370:0:413a:e052:510f:9e86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by imladris.daedelus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF5213083D2; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B817B9B7-572F-4589-A492-39BBF7AC18F9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Jim Martin In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:26:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1272D3EA-1DAE-4C47-8CB7-E965BB7B13F4@daedelus.com> References: <5680FB0D-7944-41D5-AB0C-67A3F7A8CF88@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: Tim Chown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] BCP38 on IETF network? X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:26:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B817B9B7-572F-4589-A492-39BBF7AC18F9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D93C58E7-B286-46BE-9CC0-3906C09F67C8" --Apple-Mail=_D93C58E7-B286-46BE-9CC0-3906C09F67C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Tim, Just to clarify, we=E2=80=99ve actually done BCP38 for a while = now, but just started automation through commit scripts to ensure we = don=E2=80=99t have to manually update things for each meeting. Jari was = just repeating the bad information I gave him. As for the =E2=80=9Cleakage=E2=80=9D you=E2=80=99re seeing, = you=E2=80=99re absolutely correct. We were debugging an IPv6 = reachability problem and had removed the filter. Unfortunately we = didn=E2=80=99t put it back after the issue was resolved. Sorry about = that! - Jim > On Jul 22, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Tim Chown wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Someone told me that it was reported somewhere that the IETF network = is now configured to apply BCP38. >=20 > This is good news, but I noticed when I ran a test using spoofer(*) = that while spoofed IPv4 source addresses are filtered, the spoofer test = toll suggests that some spoofed IPv6 source addresses get out, including = ULA sources. You can see the spoofer report here: > https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Dg2v8s968z6lmz0 = >=20 > I re-ran the test just now, and got similar results (IPv4 OK, IPv6 = some gets through): > https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Db9rpafc7gm41dj = >=20 > Tim >=20 > (*) This is a very nice project by CAIDA, for more info and the test = tool download see: https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > = _________________________________= ______________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_D93C58E7-B286-46BE-9CC0-3906C09F67C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Tim,
Just to clarify, we=E2=80=99ve = actually done BCP38 for a while now, but just started automation through = commit scripts to ensure we don=E2=80=99t have to manually update things = for each meeting. Jari was just repeating the bad information I gave = him.

As for = the =E2=80=9Cleakage=E2=80=9D you=E2=80=99re seeing, you=E2=80=99re = absolutely correct. We were debugging an IPv6 reachability problem and = had removed the filter. Unfortunately we didn=E2=80=99t put it back = after the issue was resolved. Sorry about that!

- Jim

On Jul 22, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Tim Chown = <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Someone told me that it = was reported somewhere that the IETF network is now configured to apply = BCP38.

This is = good news, but I noticed when I ran a test using spoofer(*) that while = spoofed IPv4 source addresses are filtered, the spoofer test toll = suggests that some spoofed IPv6 source addresses get out, including ULA = sources. You can see the spoofer report here:
https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Dg2v8s968z6lmz= 0

I re-ran = the test just now, and got similar results (IPv4 OK, IPv6 some gets = through):
https://spoofer.caida.org/report.php?sessionkey=3Db9rpafc7gm41d= j

Tim

(*) This is a very nice project by CAIDA, for more info and = the test tool download see: https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/



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charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] [96all] IETF96 Network Shutdown X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:12:39 -0000 and deep thanks to deutsche telekom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Telekom and ecix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commercial_Internet_Exchange for excellent connectivity. randy From nobody Fri Jul 22 06:29:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957EC12D5AA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uHzZsfsFdQp2 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [96attendees] FW: [96all] IETF96 Network Shutdown X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:29:22 -0000 =0A= =0A= Thank you for the network experience.=0A= =0A= It was perfekt!=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= =0A= Dan=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: 96all [96all-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Jim Martin [jim@daedelus.= com]=0A= Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:36 PM=0A= To: 96all@ietf.org=0A= Subject: [96all] IETF96 Network Shutdown=0A= =0A= Gentlepeople,=0A= As the meeting comes to a close, we wanted to update everyone on th= e shutdown schedule for the IETF Network. The main IETF networks in the Int= ercontinental meeting rooms will be removed from meeting rooms throughout t= he day as their last meeting ends. The Terminal Room will be closed at 3pm = today. The guest room Internet is scheduled to revert to the traditional In= tercontinental network this afternoon, though the current setup may linger = for a while longer, and you=92re welcome to use it as long as it=92s availa= ble.=0A= =0A= We hope you all have a good trip home and look forward to seeing ev= eryone in Seoul!=0A= =0A= - Jim and the NOC Team=0A= From nobody Fri Jul 22 06:38:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905D112D16B for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:38:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p6K2GrZb3pU7 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:2::2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2AD412D11A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E24683493A5; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5F9D160055; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB03B160043; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmx1.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id drl5Cz3jEQe5; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (dhcp-b190.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.144]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D316160041; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rock.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9B84F48D5B; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:38:34 +1000 (EST) To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" From: Mark Andrews References: <56116056-0598-4B3C-BF26-3F451AAE9048@daedelus.com>, <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7524559F@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA752455B7@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:29:17 +0000." <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA752455B7@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:38:34 +1000 Message-Id: <20160722133834.6B9B84F48D5B@rock.dv.isc.org> Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] FW: [96all] IETF96 Network Shutdown X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:38:40 -0000 +1 In message <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA752455B7@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.c om>, "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" writes: > > > Thank you for the network experience. > > It was perfekt! > > Regards, > > Dan > > ________________________________________ > From: 96all [96all-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Jim Martin [jim@daedelus.= > com] > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:36 PM > To: 96all@ietf.org > Subject: [96all] IETF96 Network Shutdown > > Gentlepeople, > As the meeting comes to a close, we wanted to update everyone on th= > e shutdown schedule for the IETF Network. The main IETF networks in the Int= > ercontinental meeting rooms will be removed from meeting rooms throughout t= > he day as their last meeting ends. The Terminal Room will be closed at 3pm = > today. The guest room Internet is scheduled to revert to the traditional In= > tercontinental network this afternoon, though the current setup may linger = > for a while longer, and you=92re welcome to use it as long as it=92s availa= > ble. > > We hope you all have a good trip home and look forward to seeing ev= > eryone in Seoul! > > - Jim and the NOC Team > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From nobody Fri Jul 22 06:41:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9B012DA18 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:41:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.477 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6veXhrfoU_z for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [50.253.254.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07DD612DA2A for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF316218B; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:40:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id waqi3bdc1+lM; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (ip565fd3ab.direct-adsl.nl [86.95.211.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A969621B4; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:40:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Peter Yee , Gregory Mirsky , Steve Blake , Charlie Perkins , Cristian Varas References: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> <01800b62-7c10-a8be-e14f-703cec5264c0@earthlink.net> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ADB8B9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <81705c2c-3d66-624c-3457-ffe5f303c965@labs.htt-consult.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:40:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EE6D412EC69566A16A0E07B9" Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:41:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EE6D412EC69566A16A0E07B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately I missed it this time around. Did anyone record it? On 07/22/2016 12:43 PM, Peter Yee wrote: > Allow me to add my thanks for a splendid hour spent listening to > beautiful music. The IETF is lucky to have such talented musicians > who also masquerade as skilled network engineers. > > Kind regards, > -Peter > > On 7/21/16, 2:51 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Gregory Mirsky" > <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on > behalf of gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > > wrote: > > Wholeheartedly agree with Steve. > > Charlie and Cristian, it was immense joy to listen to your > performances. Bravo!!! > > Regards, > > Greg > > *From:*96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Steve Blake > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:11 PM > *To:* Charlie Perkins >; Cristian Varas > > > *Cc:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at > 10:00pm > > I would like to thank both Charlie and Cristian for two beautiful > guitar performances this evening. For those in attendance, it was a > real treat. I look forward to hearing you both play again at a future > meeting. > > Regards, > > // Steve > > > *From:*96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Charlie Perkins > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:31 AM > *To:* Cristian Varas > > *Cc:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at > 10:00pm > > Hello Cristian, > > By all means! > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P.n > > On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote: > > Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I > am a classical and flamenco player and would love to participate > with the other half of my life in this.... > > On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" > > wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy > listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music. > > If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 > this evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite > guitar melodies for your entertainment. It may only be for 20 > or 30 minutes, or who knows? > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing > list 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------EE6D412EC69566A16A0E07B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Unfortunately I missed it this time around. Did anyone record it?


On 07/22/2016 12:43 PM, Peter Yee wrote:
Allow me to add my thanks for a splendid hour spent listening to beautiful music. The IETF is lucky to have such talented musicians who also masquerade as skilled network engineers.

Kind regards,
-Peter

On 7/21/16, 2:51 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Gregory Mirsky" <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

Wholeheartedly agree with Steve.

Charlie and Cristian, it was immense joy to listen to your performances. Bravo!!!

Regards,

Greg

From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blake
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:11 PM
To: Charlie Perkins <charles.perkins@earthlink.net>; Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm

I would like to thank both Charlie and Cristian for two beautiful guitar performances this evening. For those in attendance, it was a real treat. I look forward to hearing you both play again at a future meeting.

Regards,

From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Perkins
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm

Hello Cristian,

By all means!

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.n

On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote:

Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with the other half of my life in this....

On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote:


Hello folks,

After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music.

If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for your entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows?

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.

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Malis" Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:49:31 +0200 Message-ID: To: Kathleen Moriarty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113dafb491f5f605383b627e Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Oliver Hahm , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" , Mikael Abrahamsson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:49:54 -0000 --001a113dafb491f5f605383b627e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The floor map fuzziness was a bug, it=E2=80=99s been fixed in the latest ve= rson, thanks to Tom. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Kathleen Moriarty < kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:40 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson > wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Jeff Haas wrote: > > > >> Use the stars to mark "favorites" for things you intend to attend. > Select > >> the tab toggle to "favorites" to filter things. Tap 'now'. > >> > >> Pretty darned close to O(1). > > > > > > I use this "starring" mechanism to get stuff into my calendar that I ha= ve > > interest in, then I can decide at the time exactly who of people I work > > with, go to what session (we often have conflicts and we need to split > up). > > > > I really like the app, but it lacks two things: > > > > 1. Floor map. > > > > 2. With for instance the room change where TSVWG and AQM was merged int= o > one > > session, the app only showed TSVWG, AQM is nowhere to be seen. > > > > I did not use the paper agenda this time, so I had to run to the ietf > reg to > > look up the floor plan ~5 times this IETF. > > I wound up using the map off of the web page for the Berlin meeting > and was able to zoom in when needed. This must be different fromt he > one in the app or maybe it's my phone? > > > > > But the app is 90-95% there to solving all my needs, so thanks for that= ! > > > > -- > > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a113dafb491f5f605383b627e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The floor map fuzziness was a bug, it=E2=80=99s been fixed= in the latest verson, thanks to Tom.

Cheers,
= Andy


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:40 AM, Mik= ael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Jeff Haas wrote:
>
>> Use the stars to mark "favorites" for things you intend = to attend. Select
>> the tab toggle to "favorites" to filter things. Tap '= ;now'.
>>
>> Pretty darned close to O(1).
>
>
> I use this "starring" mechanism to get stuff into my calenda= r that I have
> interest in, then I can decide at the time exactly who of people I wor= k
> with, go to what session (we often have conflicts and we need to split= up).
>
> I really like the app, but it lacks two things:
>
> 1. Floor map.
>
> 2. With for instance the room change where TSVWG and AQM was merged in= to one
> session, the app only showed TSVWG, AQM is nowhere to be seen.
>
> I did not use the paper agenda this time, so I had to run to the ietf = reg to
> look up the floor plan ~5 times this IETF.

I wound up using the map off of the web page for the Berlin meeting<= br> and was able to zoom in when needed.=C2=A0 This must be different fromt he<= br> one in the app or maybe it's my phone?

>
> But the app is 90-95% there to solving all my needs, so thanks for tha= t!
>
> --
> Mikael Abrahamsson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: swmike@swm.pp.se
>



--

Best regards,
Kathleen

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--001a113dafb491f5f605383b627e-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 10:42:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808B812DF2E for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FAKE_REPLY_C=1.486, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJy0ZPueHacL for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (prometheus.amsuess.com [5.9.147.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D200012D565 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (095129206250.cust.akis.net [95.129.206.250]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6C1D43076; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:41:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com [10.13.13.231]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE57C2F; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:41:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (prometheus.amsuess.com [5.9.147.112]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4785444; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:41:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 30532 invoked by uid 1000); Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:41:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:41:52 +0200 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: Lucas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jen=DF?= , Andrew Allen Message-ID: <20160722174152.GA25421@hephaistos.amsuess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160721135030.6570072.36783.25220@blackberry.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:42:01 -0000 --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 03:35:40PM +0200, Lucas Jen=DF wrote: > On a tangent: Are the IETF iOS and Android apps open source, so that > bugs one encounters may be fixed? On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 01:50:33PM +0000, Andrew Allen wrote: > The app isn't available for all platforms and just like we don't allow > document formats for IDs that are only supported by a specific or > limited number of document reader applications we shouldn't require > that attendees have to use a smartphone that is supported by the app. This might be an adaequate occasion to point out that the official app is not the only way to use the schedule. The schedule is available in rfc 2445's iCalendar format, which can for example be consumed by the generic conference schedule app giggity[1]. Best regards, and thanks for the nice week Christian [1] https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=3Dnet.gaast.giggity --=20 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. -- Terry Pratchett (attributed) --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABCAAGBQJXklrcAAoJEDmNERLTpL3hWEsQAJTrJoiEE2NyQKdXlGPSD3uZ 2zLyylutSBrhKqaWfpFL7afQuwJpF1Z1x9GzA+IsDGncNG5N8CudC17dcKwtABmO PRUpXwPCDt2elGlpgss+f2XcgktMdCvagzc9/1hGWSXJoj3x59VgnGjaYbdQraVc l00UtYtwF7D/K00G95E96p6Z4+YqDtI4FcSuT5qPng/MWnxLDKT/RxY0GiIxNFap V3S0w6HoSQ75LMqTkReCSzlC9mwM8b8Vjc914qNhmang8HoSvyJs3jp0ul5XJv25 OWklWLHb7e4gnciml1AYCWlt8Xc0f0kiVjhqYccWgBVePFrm1XYreFFYQQNK/0Kn 1Yjb0MiV3wvX2UsJ4QrHdFF0pGW/f5HyY4TkL4cJRhHic7gjOfeLv+dZQrpJuX7r t1QhxIGr4+SYYDM4mFOg3rciT4Fa/xMCBRo0MMhgCfFwFRwBhz0Zck5hGfs0V7qQ HxFLcHBvzSxQnY8uozdbIWivu4P+Erpetb574eVsAgTNziirAdWpVw39wDXrm2Uf KotWP/fm/cEJC3LsSepDNyhHbQonZX4Ew01sLOk1AvbzKTCT0dTNj5z3rFiV3mSZ CnI60woHuk/jH/21tNEFDZdtG+P/ko6yDFrLkNCPTfm73cOPgtamQWrHCh1nP8vc Rh2xRMrhsMHhIBCKpQSk =+ylz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 11:35:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BB112DB95; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:02:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NPn2Ghxp5bTe; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eesmtp01.emea.verizon.com (eesmtp01.emea.verizon.com [193.131.254.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAEE412DAB8; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scharwacht, Kai" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,399,1464649200"; d="scan'208";a="71211088" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5145098433517459609==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from sc-ams-simr01.emea.verizon.com ([146.188.99.9]) by eesmtp01.emea.verizon.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 Jul 2016 14:02:00 +0100 Received: from [166.59.187.63] (helo=sc-lon-vimr01.emea.verizon.com) by sc-ams-simr01.emea.verizon.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bQDc0-0006sg-4V; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:02:00 +0000 Received: from [170.127.149.182] (helo=MS-FRA-E7HC01.intl1.one.verizon.com) by sc-lon-vimr01.emea.verizon.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bQDc0-0001uW-3o; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:02:00 +0000 Received: from MS-FRA-E7MB01.intl1.one.verizon.com ([170.127.149.184]) by MS-FRA-E7HC01.intl1.one.verizon.com ([170.127.149.182]) with mapi; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:01:59 +0200 To: Paul Wouters , Paul Hoffman Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:01:57 +0200 Thread-Topic: [E] Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas Thread-Index: AdHjT0yRH9KknZ0xRFuXmCUeiEkEiAAAHBtA Message-ID: <0EC1DF496522EC41A1F2A4A1A092DD851230833124@MS-FRA-E7MB01.intl1.one.verizon.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 X-VZ-EMEA-INT-SIG: 3963a9a5f45f34b224299f3e6fc56ce3 X-EMEA-E2-SIG: 3963a9a5f45f34b224299f3e6fc56ce3 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:35:55 -0700 Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [96attendees] [E] Re: Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:02:25 -0000 --===============5145098433517459609== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At least since the last update from yesterday it zooms maps (at least on my= iphone). I completely relied on the iphone app. Worked good for me. Only that it tri= ed to reload the map everytime I looked at it, and didn't display the old c= opy while it tried loading was a bit bothering sometimes. Still no reason f= or the paper thingy... Cheers, Kai -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wouters [mailto:paul@nohats.ca]=20 Sent: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 14:56 To: Paul Hoffman Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; Robert Sparks Subject: [E] Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed a= gendas On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote: > The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all.=20 > Until they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or=20 > using a small object I can look at (squinting hard, of course). The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I had = picked up a paper map. 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pkyzivat@ALUM.MIT.EDU) by outgoing-alum.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id u6MJQmKD020706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:26:49 -0400 To: 96attendees@ietf.org From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <1ca931f8-f8a7-27a0-91b1-7513a9651c1f@alum.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:26:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrHIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixO6iqFtVPCncYPoRY4u9U5uYHBg9liz5 yRTAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV8ejKOtaChUwVqze/YG9gfMLYxcjJISFgIvFm1Xx2EFtIYCuj xI6J+V2MXEB2A7NE++0GsCIRAQmJH79WghWxCWhJzDn0nwXEFhawktjWNxushlfAXmLxg5dg NouAqsSE/gXMILaoQJrE9MP9UDWCEidnPgHrZRYwk5i3+SEzhC0vsf3tHOYJjDyzkJTNQlI2 C0nZAkbmVYxyiTmlubq5iZk5xanJusXJiXl5qUW65nq5mSV6qSmlmxghQSO8g3HXSblDjAIc 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I know this is available in the tools calandar, and other ways, but having this information on my own calendar would make it much more convenient. 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--001a11449ae2d153c605383e91f3-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 13:57:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A282C12D8DA for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CM5qDUjXZbF6 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90BB12E0D3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.134.253.167] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:57:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B476D7CA7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:56:56 -0700 To: Yoav Nir , Christer Holmberg From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] T-Shirts X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 20:57:09 -0000 At 6:18 PM +0200 7/19/16, Yoav Nir wrote: > And the smallest men's shirt available was Medium, which means that > anyone who usually takes anything below Large could not get a men's > shirt their size. I registered on Monday, by which time the smallest shirt was a Men's Large. I generally wear small T-shirts, so I the smallest available was in effect three sizes too big. Reminds me of the early days, when T-shirts were only available in XL. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- A man must swallow a toad every morning if he wishes to be sure of finding nothing still more disgusting before the day is over. --Sebastien Chamfort From nobody Fri Jul 22 16:01:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E679712D9FE for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:01:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7sUtZf9QC7o8 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 796FB12D9EE for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh-4.fritz.box ([83.163.239.181]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id Mz1d1t0013vXPcr01z1eTr; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:01:39 +0200 To: Peter Yee , Gregory Mirsky , Steve Blake , Charlie Perkins , Cristian Varas References: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> <01800b62-7c10-a8be-e14f-703cec5264c0@earthlink.net> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ADB8B9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:01:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:01:47 -0000 yes. too bad it was at same time as Pecha Kucha so I missed the guitar playing this time Bert On 22/07/16 12:43, Peter Yee wrote: > Allow me to add my thanks for a splendid hour spent listening to beautiful music. The IETF is lucky to have such talented musicians > who also masquerade as skilled network engineers. > > Kind regards, > -Peter > > On 7/21/16, 2:51 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Gregory Mirsky" <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org > on behalf of gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > wrote: > > Wholeheartedly agree with Steve. > > Charlie and Cristian, it was immense joy to listen to your performances. Bravo!!! > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > *From:*96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Blake > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:11 PM > *To:* Charlie Perkins >; Cristian Varas > > > *Cc:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm > > > > I would like to thank both Charlie and Cristian for two beautiful guitar performances this evening. For those in attendance, it was > a real treat. I look forward to hearing you both play again at a future meeting. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > // Steve > > > > > *From:*96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Charlie Perkins > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:31 AM > *To:* Cristian Varas > > *Cc:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm > > > > Hello Cristian, > > By all means! > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P.n > > > > On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote: > > Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a classical and flamenco player and would love to > participate with the other half of my life in this.... > > > > On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" > wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music. > > If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite > guitar melodies for your entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows? > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > From nobody Fri Jul 22 18:34:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085F712DB27 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r02r5cgc91VK for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x22a.google.com (mail-yw0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F41F812D77F for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id u134so117703243ywg.3 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2dD8TSOalSb5xZs3w9Gn+VndVBsqpVx8Ce5KWw3V6Z0=; b=LTNrmVanUUYrR+RV6QgtqYwMN2nhZf33e8FcmPmmeSPr5P2ThNgzuX9O3mDV5hfswx TrUwRnsgvnDnwjE6b1xqo1FXtoX/nKz9WHpo1sszdTXY9wCZR3hd8HwQxREPU/SA9eyi C4P/UulmscPIUDCex7TbxmXqjzYb/kB8EKsLc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2dD8TSOalSb5xZs3w9Gn+VndVBsqpVx8Ce5KWw3V6Z0=; b=Y2/WEI1y6S/of808NdlGk6gIpy91Kkwrzc7CK/+o0Wq97ILUQYIAppFU5iszg8itlz FXpMjxsCEdm34VMoSKIs0ScGgeT1RkPpDNdkomzRLaYwSSsMS6XoVmY7I4EFmdPKgOxR M+NGxG4O8gW/PccMe+IzIccGPnVlszQ1oHMHimqyiyxI3k2SlP1YkvEjcjjgJdgQT2DO ucYPrOBOSAPDl+14YJIG36nQSNYlz1NBNrax7GIy0gWTsx4e4p3IrZBCDsNhdSWA8nDA V7J30MlzfOAU4QX7pTN+sdVLVouFY8+U0aeJwljiRjTM2BF2U5fkgDbR0WjnxFfJPrlb iw/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvJ9ZmgcZZwjsfRIlYmiWJYPNrBztCjf1jve6c5wlkvOw0Rf1WerZWGcHIw4PEhBHbugAt3OxYYBuViPg== X-Received: by 10.37.99.136 with SMTP id x130mr5938395ybb.153.1469237669211; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.209.70 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [77.179.67.103] In-Reply-To: <81705c2c-3d66-624c-3457-ffe5f303c965@labs.htt-consult.com> References: <8ff3e726-304d-34fe-d646-c9eaad0b2887@earthlink.net> <01800b62-7c10-a8be-e14f-703cec5264c0@earthlink.net> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ADB8B9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <81705c2c-3d66-624c-3457-ffe5f303c965@labs.htt-consult.com> From: Cristian Varas Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:34:28 +0200 Message-ID: To: Robert Moskowitz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142d77e5d6dcb0538438d03 Archived-At: Cc: Peter Yee , Gregory Mirsky , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Charlie Perkins , Steve Blake Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:34:33 -0000 --001a1142d77e5d6dcb0538438d03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everybody who attended yesterday and especially thanks to Charlie for letting me play as well and for his wonderful and lovely interpretations of Satie's Gymnopedies, the milonga, Tango, the difficult Piazzolla...all of them were great, so much heart! I really enjoyed them :D I hope we can play again at a future meeting and enjoy music! Cheers, Cristi=C3=A1n On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Unfortunately I missed it this time around. Did anyone record it? > > On 07/22/2016 12:43 PM, Peter Yee wrote: > > Allow me to add my thanks for a splendid hour spent listening to beautifu= l > music. The IETF is lucky to have such talented musicians who also > masquerade as skilled network engineers. > > Kind regards, > -Peter > > On 7/21/16, 2:51 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Gregory Mirsky" < > 96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> > wrote: > > Wholeheartedly agree with Steve. > > Charlie and Cristian, it was immense joy to listen to your performances. > Bravo!!! > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > *From:* 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org > <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Blake > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:11 PM > *To:* Charlie Perkins < > charles.perkins@earthlink.net>; Cristian Varas < > cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk> > *Cc:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at > 10:00pm > > > > I would like to thank both Charlie and Cristian for two beautiful guitar > performances this evening. For those in attendance, it was a real treat. > I look forward to hearing you both play again at a future meeting. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > // Steve > > > > *From:* 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org > <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org>] *On Behalf Of *Charlie Perkins > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:31 AM > *To:* Cristian Varas < > cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk> > *Cc:* 96attendees@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at > 10:00pm > > > > Hello Cristian, > > By all means! > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P.n > > > > On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote: > > Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a > classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with the othe= r > half of my life in this.... > > > > On Jul 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" < > charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening t= o > a gentle performance of some classical guitar music. > > If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this > evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies fo= r > your entertainment. It may only be for 20 or 30 minutes, or who knows? > > Harmoniously, > Charlie P. > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list96attendees@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/96attendees > > > -- > Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C: 248-219-2059 > F: 248-968-2824 > E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who get= s > the credit > --001a1142d77e5d6dcb0538438d03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to everybody who attended yesterday and e= specially thanks to Charlie for letting me play as well and for his wonderf= ul and lovely interpretations of Satie's Gymnopedies, the milonga, Tang= o, the difficult Piazzolla...all of them were great, so much heart! I reall= y enjoyed them :D =C2=A0I hope we can play again at a future meeting and en= joy music!

Cheers,

Cristi=C3=A1n
 --001a1142d77e5d6dcb0538438d03-- From nobody Fri Jul 22 23:53:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A10F12D7EE; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:53:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sh37OGODTNSP; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4916912D5BF; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:53:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5561; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469256801; x=1470466401; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=fxXmPmdHAXZflqlZWzOO2fX3Upvz+5jfPks67R1fUWM=; b=lzQHp3BdakhFp6FIpg1z+2kmRsqA1JVBRT5Xw88wuyOeRDXJdkjwugAN jEi0ZfQsiJBfpu6tPdARsgWaiuJh0LiiyINx+zOvaf2+YEXg4uBkpseIl n/9Nb5uOLNZSgiEZV/N21KPXpZQUP51SbEaRX7m6KW4xq99gPZVVZAcrI s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CAAgDsE5NX/5ldJa1dgz9WfLNdhQWBf?= =?us-ascii?q?COFL0oCgSs4FAEBAQEBAQFdJ4RcAQEFAQFsCwwEAgEIEQQBASgHJwsUCQgCBA4?= =?us-ascii?q?FiDAOuEoBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXBYYqgXiCVYdsgi8Fk2SFQgGOb?= =?us-ascii?q?YFshFmIdoZgiUABHjaDc24BiBQBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,407,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="127269779" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 23 Jul 2016 06:53:20 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-013.cisco.com (xch-rcd-013.cisco.com [173.37.102.23]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6N6rKCt015037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jul 2016 06:53:20 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-RCD-013.cisco.com (173.37.102.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:53:19 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:53:19 -0500 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: "Scharwacht, Kai" Thread-Topic: [96attendees] [E] Re: Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas Thread-Index: AQHR5Efz9Wam2zYR1Ui/tVpcWXP5qqAllTo3 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 06:53:19 +0000 Message-ID: <6E346099-CC83-4F49-A54E-7A09C89B3CFB@cisco.com> References: , <0EC1DF496522EC41A1F2A4A1A092DD851230833124@MS-FRA-E7MB01.intl1.one.verizon.com> In-Reply-To: <0EC1DF496522EC41A1F2A4A1A092DD851230833124@MS-FRA-E7MB01.intl1.one.verizon.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E346099CC834F49A54E7A09C89B3CFBciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Paul Wouters , Robert Sparks , Paul Hoffman , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] [E] Re: Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 06:53:24 -0000 --_000_6E346099CC834F49A54E7A09C89B3CFBciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have used the "agenda" link from the meeting website since the first iPho= ne was released. No paper and no app. Thanks, Jakob. On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Scharwacht, Kai > wrote: At least since the last update from yesterday it zooms maps (at least on my= iphone). I completely relied on the iphone app. Worked good for me. Only that it tri= ed to reload the map everytime I looked at it, and didn't display the old c= opy while it tried loading was a bit bothering sometimes. Still no reason f= or the paper thingy... Cheers, Kai -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wouters [mailto:paul@nohats.ca] Sent: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 14:56 To: Paul Hoffman Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; Robert Sparks Subject: [E] Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed a= gendas On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote: The smartphone apps that we have today still don't work well at all. Until they improve, the choice is opening up a laptop every time or using a small object I can look at (squinting hard, of course). The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish I had = picked up a paper map. Paul _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees Verizon Deutschland GmbH - Sebrathweg 20, 44149 Dortmund, Germany - Amtsger= icht Dortmund, HRB 14952 - Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Detlef Eppig - Vorsitzender des= Aufsichtsrats: Francesco de Maio _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --_000_6E346099CC834F49A54E7A09C89B3CFBciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have used the "agenda" link from the meeting website since= the first iPhone was released. No paper and no app.

Thanks,
Jakob.


On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Scharwacht, Kai <kai.scharwacht@de.verizon.com> wrote:

At least since the last update from yesterday it zooms maps (at = least on my iphone).

I completely relied on the iphone app. Worked good for me. Only that = it tried to reload the map everytime I looked at it, and didn't display the= old copy while it tried loading was a bit bothering sometimes. Still no re= ason for the paper thingy...

Cheers,
   Kai

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Wouters [mailto:paul@noh= ats.ca]
Sent: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 14:56
To: Paul Hoffman
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org;= ietf@ietf.org; Robert Sparks
Subject: [E] Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-pri= nted agendas

On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Paul Hoffman wrote:

The smartphone apps that we have today stil= l don't work well at all.
Until they improve, the choice is opening u= p a laptop every time or
using a small object I can look at (squinti= ng hard, of course).


The iphone app still does not allow zoom on the maps, making me wish = I had picked up a paper map.

Paul

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[52.24.139.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x5sm15058750pax.33.2016.07.24.07.39.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Phillip Hallam-Baker Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:39:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Phillip Hallam-Baker To: Robert Sparks , <96attendees@ietf.org>, Message-ID: <994C5976EA09B556.6D416AD8-F088-424B-A40A-311DFC491B1D@mail.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9045_493879288.1469371164395" X-Mailer: Outlook for iOS and Android Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:39:28 -0000 ------=_Part_9045_493879288.1469371164395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a direct result of the Web, the majority of the reading public no longer get their news in dead tree form. Classified ads are gone. Demand for wood pulp is dramatically down over the past 20 years. I did not bother to pick up a printed agenda this time as I can't read the print any more. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:31 AM -0400, "Robert Sparks" wrote: I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are doing more harm than good. We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide better access to non-stale data. We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on how to make that happen). Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). RjS ------=_Part_9045_493879288.1469371164395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
As a direct result of the Web, the majority of the reading public no longer get their news in dead tree form. Classified ads are gone. Demand for wood pulp is dramatically down over the past 20 years.

I did not bother to pick up a printed agenda this time as I can't read the print any more.



On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:31 AM -0400, "Robert Sparks" <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are 
doing more harm than good.

We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed 
agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting.

We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide 
better access to non-stale data.

We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs 
to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on 
how to make that happen).

Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not 
provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing 
and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact).

RjS
------=_Part_9045_493879288.1469371164395-- From nobody Sun Jul 24 08:57:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEB012B02D; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); domainkeys=pass (384-bit key) header.from=charles.perkins@earthlink.net header.d=earthlink.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ovphHIpdUrwA; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFF0512B019; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cvGcvah1FcqLM3BLkPA4z6+gpbVTvsTKtLNlrnGFnPiqi8uuBRrpbWZrn3F0hcjb; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.51.72.196] (helo=[192.168.1.82]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bRLll-0007hp-Az; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:56:45 -0400 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, ietf@ietf.org, 96attendees@ietf.org References: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> From: Charlie Perkins Message-ID: <7da14195-20b8-d4c7-6044-5d434ec1a8f4@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 08:56:41 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956527bd5036cbc8ac7454bc47f1d245098deb40db99543ceb7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.51.72.196 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 15:57:09 -0000 Hello folks, I think the printed agendas are great and use them every day during the meetings. I guess I could do print one myself given my limited expertise with Microsoft Word. That's yet another thing to do, during a time when there are already so many things needing attention. I have a hard time understanding why it's claimed to be too expensive or wasteful, compared to (say) the food we didn't eat. Regards, Charlie P. On 7/21/2016 5:38 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Please quantify expense. > Please compare with cost of printing on site. > I may offer personal sponsorship. > Adrian > >> I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are >> doing more harm than good. >> >> We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed >> agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. >> >> We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide >> better access to non-stale data. >> >> We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs >> to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on >> how to make that happen). >> >> Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not >> provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing >> and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >> >> RjS > From nobody Sun Jul 24 11:56:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3424212D5C5; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:56:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qpe6nR1nA6tm; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 243C112D5B1; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=JcK-HP8200) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bROZQ-000Kuq-0p; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:56:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:56:07 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Charlie Perkins , adrian@olddog.co.uk, ietf@ietf.org, 96attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <400F19F87E0162CF05B2E7DC@JcK-HP8200> In-Reply-To: <7da14195-20b8-d4c7-6044-5d434ec1a8f4@earthlink.net> References: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> <7da14195-20b8-d4c7-6044-5d434ec1a8f4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 18:56:18 -0000 --On Sunday, July 24, 2016 08:56 -0700 Charlie Perkins wrote: > Hello folks, > > I think the printed agendas are great and use them every day > during the meetings. > > I guess I could do print one myself given my limited expertise > with Microsoft Word. That's yet another thing to do, during a > time when there are already so many things needing attention. > I have a hard time understanding why it's claimed to be too > expensive or wasteful, compared to (say) the food we didn't > eat. Or, for that matter, the carbon costs of flying a lot of people to f2f meetings around the world. +1 john From nobody Sun Jul 24 12:07:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71C712D5C6; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xigxTl3qun26; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B3912B05E; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3D45CA2; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:07:14 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1469387234; bh=0Mjbz5G7NRRX5WuQ7f44TsXlI5apX1bAsRq8lGSkLNM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=kr52ImswRMTySA+YI7A8yeHfvlIxfTfiRyDdU4KreyQ2tN3i7mWXHBQ8N9WvN98z6 D8lmswSvytuBzXhj9JX5DVqHYsxFyI33iJGwtg0QrH0GfaULIkid9bGYbIKswpMGxo XohvSFBMkIEFWepzQmdgZAKbuDowjN/JFvS6LtPc= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E8CA1; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:07:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:07:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "Andrew G. Malis" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-684709167-1469387234=:2309" Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Oliver Hahm , Kathleen Moriarty , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:07:19 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-684709167-1469387234=:2309 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 22 Jul 2016, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > The floor map fuzziness was a bug, it’s been fixed in the latest verson, > thanks to Tom. I don't know what you mean by "fuzziness". Once I pressed the "location" icon, I got a perfectly workable floor map. It's just that the intuitive leap that "location" means "floor plan" hadn't occured to me so I had never tried to press that icon. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-684709167-1469387234=:2309-- From nobody Sun Jul 24 12:11:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF4E12D5DB; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e9QhrCPWu1Ej; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09F0812D5C8; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=JcK-HP8200) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bROoN-000KwO-Kt; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 15:11:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 15:11:34 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Phillip Hallam-Baker , Robert Sparks , 96attendees@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <994C5976EA09B556.6D416AD8-F088-424B-A40A-311DFC491B1D@mail.outlook.com> References: <994C5976EA09B556.6D416AD8-F088-424B-A40A-311DFC491B1D@mail.outlook.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:11:44 -0000 --On Sunday, July 24, 2016 14:39 +0000 Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > As a direct result of the Web, the majority of the reading > public no longer get their news in dead tree form. Classified > ads are gone. Demand for wood pulp is dramatically down over > the past 20 years. I did not bother to pick up a printed > agenda this time as I can't read the print any more. Hyperbole is not, IMO, particularly helpful. With many definitions of "the reading public", it is not clear that a majority of them are even connected to the Internet in a significant way. I may just be showing my age (or the fact that I don't particularly like smartphones), but I have yet to find an application that adequately supports the types of ways I can use and annotate paper or reference it. Constructive suggestion (which might have been made before -- I have not read this entire thread): if people think that paper/ tree-killing is significant enough, why not add a "do you want a printed agenda" checkbox to the registration form for f2f meeting attendance? Preparing packets individually based on whether that was checked would probably be too much trouble, but a rough count would at least provide the secretariat with guidance about how many paper copies should be printed, reducing waste. If, at some time in the future, only a handful of us wanted them, then it might be time for them to go the way of, e.g., CDs of proceedings. john From nobody Sun Jul 24 13:03:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A1B12D09D; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oMcoAmlFQCyu; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simon.songbird.com (unknown [72.52.113.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3848128874; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.168] (76-218-8-128.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by simon.songbird.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id u6OK3iPe019774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:45 -0700 To: 96attendees@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org References: <994C5976EA09B556.6D416AD8-F088-424B-A40A-311DFC491B1D@mail.outlook.com> From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking Message-ID: <2e46745f-78dd-b0da-b21c-2faf6e045f64@dcrocker.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:02:53 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:03:04 -0000 > if people think that paper/ > tree-killing is significant enough, why not add a "do you want a > printed agenda" checkbox to the registration form for f2f > meeting attendance? Preparing packets individually based on > whether that was checked would probably be too much trouble, but > a rough count would at least provide the secretariat with > guidance about how many paper copies should be printed, That does seem both simple and practical. Small effort to put in place, easy to use, possibly some benefit. Of course, if someone is seriously concerned about environmental issues, they should compare the costs of that sheet of paper versus the costs of traveling to the meeting. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/sunday-review/the-biggest-carbon-sin-air-travel.html d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Sun Jul 24 20:06:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADE412D68D; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1DDSRYKh2hPQ; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95D6612D68A; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from butte-1844.mountain2sea.com (69-77-155-155.static.skybest.com [69.77.155.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A94301035; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 23:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3200\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:06:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3200) Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Oliver Hahm , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:06:53 -0000 > On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 >=20 > 2. With for instance the room change where TSVWG and AQM was merged = into one session, the app only showed TSVWG, AQM is nowhere to be seen. >=20 > I did not use the paper agenda this time, so I had to run to the ietf = reg to look up the floor plan ~5 times this IETF. >=20 > But the app is 90-95% there to solving all my needs, so thanks for = that! Was this on an iPad or iPhone? There is a problem with overlapping = rooms/time slots in the iPad version because they both fill the same = screen space and it=E2=80=99s random as to which one is drawn on top. The overlap can be that two working groups are meeting jointly or it can = mean that they are meeting sequentially because they didn=E2=80=99t the = whole time slot. I consider the 2nd a bug in the scheduling. They should split the time = slot in half. But I hold the minority opinion in this case. So I need to make a special case for this in the iPad app and I. = haven=E2=80=99t quite decided how to represent it. In the iPhone = version, it shouldn=E2=80=99t matter and they both should display. Thanks, Tom From nobody Sun Jul 24 22:41:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DDB12D670 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oOb41ogpAdwm for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75D0512D181 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id f6so77054043ith.1 for <96attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=p9BKn2eg44l8gGirSjx+y5Gmm+2u0WKvGP81G/nMS4s=; b=bSSDo/ntBZJSkACe8vB+YbPYdj5nZc3b2xCKB8eBMvmkWwYWqDn1KHNBdiaCWoozCh u4FDLMaKtKXz7yf0jVfb2BAs6KZa+cDPM1Cgkk5diVBWH/X0wBQYO2G0dBWoHVyzPuS4 f8gh9+rHLiLKmwbPF2FrKEv+vUms1Cevl32k8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=p9BKn2eg44l8gGirSjx+y5Gmm+2u0WKvGP81G/nMS4s=; b=AbFqcPAIxoSCREAxQMEowHSOI9YbZsluwo1IbT3wnb70bK8+/OtUgJdceFJIB82mWQ TgUZIGh6NVVcs7oqMjQufBjlOKx3mTagTig4Um8eC2igy/xm8c9/ZmODAuwbmQfVedJY 7jRu1WGcInhTcTgSUZ/bQiqqX6KcTA4OjAmcFpgzFM3a7FR5GSOqk33UA7WiqKAltGNu QUCDDUFBspPHy/KypLj5pmxNOcGBc5wWobLqGJ9qOoaXWuS1/LvffowZslVmXWG3R07x oXQCGlURmv3VoXsiK2gNztGNWOy38AEFBLuZY2ttJYz7DhhKgGDcDFApXuebpUseCxVd sMxw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutEIUlPJQveLUwt6iTBZrEhy2YIE0cGKLAY3gzeieM1rAJYlMlEhTFUmEytxR3ZGC2YFddpddYHMNhnhEeU X-Received: by 10.36.91.134 with SMTP id g128mr18768117itb.42.1469425276508; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:41:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.26.145 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:41:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> From: Pat Thaler Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:41:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: Tom Pusateri Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144a1e6a2162e05386f3b3e Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Oliver Hahm , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" , Mikael Abrahamsson Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:41:19 -0000 --001a1144a1e6a2162e05386f3b3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Both the AQM and Transport Area Working Group displayed on my iPhone (as did other cases of two groups meeting in the same slot/room. On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: > > > On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson > wrote: > > > > > > 2. With for instance the room change where TSVWG and AQM was merged int= o > one session, the app only showed TSVWG, AQM is nowhere to be seen. > > > > I did not use the paper agenda this time, so I had to run to the ietf > reg to look up the floor plan ~5 times this IETF. > > > > But the app is 90-95% there to solving all my needs, so thanks for that= ! > > Was this on an iPad or iPhone? There is a problem with overlapping > rooms/time slots in the iPad version because they both fill the same scre= en > space and it=E2=80=99s random as to which one is drawn on top. > > The overlap can be that two working groups are meeting jointly or it can > mean that they are meeting sequentially because they didn=E2=80=99t the w= hole time > slot. > > I consider the 2nd a bug in the scheduling. They should split the time > slot in half. But I hold the minority opinion in this case. > > So I need to make a special case for this in the iPad app and I. haven=E2= =80=99t > quite decided how to represent it. In the iPhone version, it shouldn=E2= =80=99t > matter and they both should display. > > Thanks, > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a1144a1e6a2162e05386f3b3e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Both the AQM and Transport Area Working Group displayed on= my iPhone (as did other cases of two groups meeting in the same slot/room.=

On Sun, Jul= 24, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> wro= te:

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
>
>
> 2. With for instance the room change where TSVWG and AQM was merged in= to one session, the app only showed TSVWG, AQM is nowhere to be seen.
>
> I did not use the paper agenda this time, so I had to run to the ietf = reg to look up the floor plan ~5 times this IETF.
>
> But the app is 90-95% there to solving all my needs, so thanks for tha= t!

Was this on an iPad or iPhone? There is a problem with overlapping r= ooms/time slots in the iPad version because they both fill the same screen = space and it=E2=80=99s random as to which one is drawn on top.

The overlap can be that two working groups are meeting jointly or it can me= an that they are meeting sequentially because they didn=E2=80=99t the whole= time slot.

I consider the 2nd a bug in the scheduling. They should split the time slot= in half. But I hold the minority opinion in this case.

So I need to make a special case for this in the iPad app and I. haven=E2= =80=99t quite decided how to represent it. In the iPhone version, it should= n=E2=80=99t matter and they both should display.

Thanks,
Tom



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--001a1144a1e6a2162e05386f3b3e-- From nobody Mon Jul 25 02:01:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCDF12D13E; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:00:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o_RfJNZiCpP8; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-p01.blackberry.com (smtp-p01.blackberry.com [208.65.78.88]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6459312D127; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xct101cnc.rim.net ([10.65.161.201]) by mhs212cnc.rim.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 25 Jul 2016 07:47:28 -0400 Received: from XMB122CNC.rim.net ([fe80::28c6:fa1c:91c6:2e23]) by XCT101CNC.rim.net ([fe80::9c22:d9c:c906:c488%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:00:53 -0400 From: Andrew Allen To: Charlie Perkins , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas Thread-Index: AQHR40vl1OuxFVfLREG+S4xfWryHZaAjFf2AgATuaYCAANoZIA== Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:00:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> <7da14195-20b8-d4c7-6044-5d434ec1a8f4@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <7da14195-20b8-d4c7-6044-5d434ec1a8f4@earthlink.net> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.65.160.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:00:59 -0000 Printing one yourself will be less environmentally friendly as you will use= an entire sheet of A4 instead of getting 3 agendas on a single sheet. -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Charli= e Perkins Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 11:57 AM To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; ietf@ietf.org; 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agend= as Hello folks, I think the printed agendas are great and use them every day during the mee= tings. I guess I could do print one myself given my limited expertise with Microso= ft Word. That's yet another thing to do, during a time when there are alre= ady so many things needing attention. I have a hard time understanding why= it's claimed to be too expensive or wasteful, compared to (say) the food w= e didn't eat. Regards, Charlie P. On 7/21/2016 5:38 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Please quantify expense. > Please compare with cost of printing on site. > I may offer personal sponsorship. > Adrian > >> I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are=20 >> doing more harm than good. >> >> We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed=20 >> agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting. >> >> We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that=20 >> provide better access to non-stale data. >> >> We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really=20 >> needs to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find=20 >> place on how to make that happen). >> >> Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not=20 >> provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the=20 >> printing and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact). >> >> RjS > _______________________________________________ 96attendees mailing list 96attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees From nobody Mon Jul 25 02:11:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3AB12D17B; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uVFQ-91W4OBP; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31A6E12D0AA; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id DDA0BA2; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:11:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1469437870; bh=9tQJ+oQcyE/mZteEnvp3fS4S3it3S3vaCmh+ZKpUVgE=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=NqXO691vEUZYePfNEuXxJXBYV6wES3E2wJRY+SP3WyKjORuM0q3c1nEsg18cvukM9 A7qzWAGnVO+Gx/X2PgR8EXkNDLb6NK5F18u52I8pbGkLdshxUmFmAjPFk2K0s59rlf se13QY8BcgYIx1/qvwpYfgujMG8kIWZ/P768SNYU= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63CCA1; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:11:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:11:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> Message-ID: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-1994515640-1469437870=:2309" Archived-At: Cc: Jeff Haas , Oliver Hahm , "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:11:15 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-1994515640-1469437870=:2309 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 25 Jul 2016, Tom Pusateri wrote: > Was this on an iPad or iPhone? There is a problem with overlapping > rooms/time slots in the iPad version because they both fill the same > screen space and it’s random as to which one is drawn on top. This was on iPhone. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-1994515640-1469437870=:2309-- From nobody Mon Jul 25 02:18:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF0012D195; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:18:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPOwpHhS67bU; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B1A012D18B; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4AC96A3; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:18:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1469438328; bh=cF3lJ9jFdhPnjSTURnuWoW3EctL9fuIGWBRIWx6BjqA=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=D5TgRwObnmKA91KKq+Yv8orPvx/yj/04B0Fnox49Yke93sl4sphmJcf7C9Bv06fBI hIyaPmB8tV/OoU8MK4HGYxSm4zEmXi9txVmFqNC+qo5SzaB3KqreRbzrNWUbCrQNIf VWImLKVYU21TtM3xWm9KmwaoC/pyhQ4VKG41muaY= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441BDA1; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:18:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:18:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Pat Thaler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Tom Pusateri , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:18:51 -0000 On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Pat Thaler wrote: > Both the AQM and Transport Area Working Group displayed on my iPhone (as > did other cases of two groups meeting in the same slot/room. http://imgur.com/a/uyhcG is what it looks like on my screen (just made that screen shot). The web agenda says for the friday 10-12 slot (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html): Bellevue tsv aqm Active Queue Management and Packet Scheduling Shared slot with TSVWG - Moved from Friday 12:20 Bellevue tsv tsvwg Transport Area Working Group So it's probably as Tom stated, there are now two meeting scheduled in the same room for the same time, instead of having two slots (10-11 and 11-12) with two different sessions in the same room. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Mon Jul 25 02:21:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC7412D1C8; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ipKAvUKMu9SR; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EC3212D195; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 02:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 23DE8A2; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:21:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1469438481; bh=l4e8DuU8jtFi14K7gdKf+Y1gWaTwRUhdcCLeR3tVqSA=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=gZ7PoRzf55S4kXZL29NgNp7UjFcWGlwPlIVmJ09noUvTg8kzCgS3UU5m+QrqvkWu5 kSwNPMiaL6B05CmYR/2PMgssvFb1DUd9xCvUbXkVojVPcx7PK6A9t+d5sn9CDXVgw2 hwnSNzj/8ptUp0cRVByTNb5yfShmKNKCiiUpUBGs= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0B3A1; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:21:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:21:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Pat Thaler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, Tom Pusateri , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:21:24 -0000 On Mon, 25 Jul 2016, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Pat Thaler wrote: > >> Both the AQM and Transport Area Working Group displayed on my iPhone (as >> did other cases of two groups meeting in the same slot/room. > > http://imgur.com/a/uyhcG is what it looks like on my screen (just made that > screen shot). > > The web agenda says for the friday 10-12 slot > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html): > > Bellevue tsv aqm Active Queue Management and Packet Scheduling > Shared slot with TSVWG - Moved from Friday 12:20 > Bellevue tsv tsvwg Transport Area Working Group > > So it's probably as Tom stated, there are now two meeting scheduled in the > same room for the same time, instead of having two slots (10-11 and 11-12) > with two different sessions in the same room. I just realised that on my phone, it shows tsvwg at 10-12 and AQM at 1220-1320. After switching to IETF95 and then to IETF96 again, it does indeed show both meetings along each other, correctly. 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Will the slides be made available anywhere?=20 Yoav > On 22 Jul 2016, at 1:16 AM, Banks, Sarah = wrote: >=20 > Good evening, > I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network = teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for = organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. = What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF = meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping = we see it again at IETF 97. >=20 > Thanks > Sarah >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees --Apple-Mail=_E6906474-CC72-4CEE-870B-A538457E4EFB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii +1.

Will the slides be made available anywhere? 

Yoav


Good evening,
I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping we see it again at IETF 97.

Thanks
Sarah

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--Apple-Mail=_E6906474-CC72-4CEE-870B-A538457E4EFB-- From nobody Mon Jul 25 04:53:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7BA12D7E9; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 04:53:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d9Ikf8a2HyFk; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 04:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 184FD12D7E0; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 04:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from butte-1844.mountain2sea.com (69-77-155-155.static.skybest.com [69.77.155.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24D8A112F; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:52:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Pusateri Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0C34435A-C9A3-4661-8C82-9CFEE73CC677" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3200\)) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:53:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Mikael Abrahamsson References: <201607211258.u6LCwUkw003270@givry.fdupont.fr> <20160721133047.GA11213@hobbykeller.org> <13722063-82F0-405B-AE1A-7A45DC2DBD4A@bangj.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3200) Archived-At: Cc: "96attendees@ietf.org" <96attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" , Pat Thaler Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:53:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0C34435A-C9A3-4661-8C82-9CFEE73CC677 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 25 Jul 2016, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >=20 >> On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Pat Thaler wrote: >>=20 >>> Both the AQM and Transport Area Working Group displayed on my iPhone = (as did other cases of two groups meeting in the same slot/room. >>=20 >> http://imgur.com/a/uyhcG is what it looks like on my screen (just = made that screen shot). >>=20 >> The web agenda says for the friday 10-12 slot = (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html): >>=20 >> Bellevue tsv aqm Active Queue Management and Packet = Scheduling Shared slot with TSVWG - Moved from Friday 12:20 >> Bellevue tsv tsvwg Transport Area Working Group >>=20 >> So it's probably as Tom stated, there are now two meeting scheduled = in the same room for the same time, instead of having two slots (10-11 = and 11-12) with two different sessions in the same room. >=20 > I just realised that on my phone, it shows tsvwg at 10-12 and AQM at = 1220-1320. After switching to IETF95 and then to IETF96 again, it does = indeed show both meetings along each other, correctly. >=20 > So I guess my app didn't have the scheduling change. >=20 Yes, there are still some lingering sync problems. =46rom the = screenshot, the blank entry at the top is a symptom of syncing trouble. = I hope to have that resolved with either a new API or better error = handling for the next meeting. The app isn=E2=80=99t reacting well to = timeouts and 403 errors. Thanks, Tom --Apple-Mail=_0C34435A-C9A3-4661-8C82-9CFEE73CC677 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> = wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Pat Thaler wrote:

Both the AQM and = Transport Area Working Group displayed on my iPhone (as did other cases = of two groups meeting in the same slot/room.

http://imgur.com/a/uyhcG = is what it looks like on my screen (just made that screen shot).

The web agenda says for the friday 10-12 slot = (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html):

Bellevue tsv aqm Active Queue Management and = Packet Scheduling Shared slot with TSVWG - Moved from Friday 12:20
Bellevue tsv tsvwg Transport Area Working Group

So it's probably as Tom stated, there are now two meeting = scheduled in the same room for the same time, instead of having two = slots (10-11 and 11-12) with two different sessions in the same room.

I just realised that on my phone, it shows tsvwg = at 10-12 and AQM at 1220-1320. After switching to IETF95 and then to = IETF96 again, it does indeed show both meetings along each other, = correctly.

So I guess my app didn't = have the scheduling change.


Yes, there are still some lingering sync problems. = =46rom the screenshot, the blank entry at the top is a symptom of = syncing trouble. I hope to have that resolved with either a new API or = better error handling for the next meeting. The app isn=E2=80=99t = reacting well to timeouts and 403 errors.

Thanks,
Tom



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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: aero.org X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 25 Jul 2016 14:41:33.6560 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: c8294700-c5a4-4ca1-a876-1457d39899fd X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN6PR09MB2130 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:41:39 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----=0A= Hash: SHA512=0A= =0A= On 7/24/16 13:03, Dave Crocker wrote:=0A= > =0A= >> if people think that paper/ tree-killing is significant enough,=0A= >> why not add a "do you want a printed agenda" checkbox to the=0A= >> registration form for f2f meeting attendance? Preparing packets=0A= >> individually based on whether that was checked would probably be=0A= >> too much trouble, but a rough count would at least provide the=0A= >> secretariat with guidance about how many paper copies should be=0A= >> printed,=0A= > =0A= > =0A= > That does seem both simple and practical. Small effort to put in=0A= > place, easy to use, possibly some benefit.=0A= =0A= I haven't been to an IETF for a while, but let me add an amen here.=0A= Or a +1 if you prefer. :-D=0A= =0A= Simple, direct, and effective. Sounds like engineering to me.=0A= =0A= - -- =0A= Ted Faber =0A= Engineering Specialist=0A= Computer Systems Research Department=0A= 310-336-7373=0A= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----=0A= Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org=0A= =0A= iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXliUeAAoJEFNjQnOBW8uOOrEQAIsT6Q3RUAa/f05HB4xiiwB7=0A= Cd4gnsOLRUJylxWte9RgUE0PqP19jipvAcuWBeWIZuMgngVK8EitIABfYvCFO/cA=0A= cbA+Uw9zrVYwykJ6h/c4vb4K1eoYJ1grSAKeFDaw3rqlG8Hto2K8mu3BZvznsd39=0A= QXg4e9kMee4KsBMbSphQVAWFt4FqM6Bgn2IJCDT+osZolJf94pKVHHsyJkt1hPRO=0A= ulE+e6PcOcNSWsRaorychR5n9v81HgimAOKd/yQ8smSiFbH6strJw4QdRBG5xlJ6=0A= k4kY5e8n3xcXCE+HEfrOLWUW5yLRum9RGrE+8uKof454sxJ+EqSBvhUpLSWnipK/=0A= eBvEbZO03YU01YBRggsVuVw+y476/B7saZzQQCBxV/iSxBr6nDK0tuDlVB/qF0F6=0A= LH3ggNHTIeKtgXrMaxP7EKzexq4owG7ErwHrtbtKFG7+1TbbRsHeNb606HrhwTn7=0A= 7ZMDlCWKoyYFXOJ++zm4p9l6kIJRedk4zNIC0iEUNr9bmLBF4wTkL9onUKRcjSBC=0A= V2WkH25JQwC+CDdAVBRhDeoXTLOCCdp8FSmp7jhLqSF8c8uBtDLQnupelcLEJgkT=0A= rypqbjW953akzX59Ak6i+Sh8bOXr8d3aXryzwO/UXmKapnMWBnT5oLEqGmwMkRNl=0A= X2RIjDoeVh7PIlpBeCN+=0A= =3DNsoa=0A= -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----=0A= From nobody Mon Jul 25 08:00:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7161112D133 for <96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; 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I did not bother to pick up a printed agenda this time as I can&#= 39;t read the print any more.

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I'm SURE she was joking (she appeared = to be joking about everything else), but if she wasn't, soon no one wil= l be able to read the printed agendas anyway :-) ...

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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> We could offer free Lasix instead of tee shirts as part of the = registration fee=E2=80=A6 Surely not lasix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furosemide). That = creates its own environmental impact (urination increases). Personally I do use the pre-printed agendas (along with the app), so I = do hope they will remain available on request. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Dave Oran (oran) Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:16 PM To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed = agendas > On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF = wrote: >=20 > FWIW, >=20 > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker = wrote: > =20 > I did not bother to pick up a printed agenda this time as I can't read = the print any more. >=20 > At the Pecha Kucha on Thursday night in Berlin, Cindy Morgan said in = her presentation that she had been reducing the font size for printed = agendas every couple of IETFs for some time. =20 >=20 > I'm SURE she was joking (she appeared to be joking about everything = else), but if she wasn't, soon no one will be able to read the printed = agendas anyway :-) =E2=80=A6 We could offer free Lasix instead of tee shirts as part of the = registration 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any video? Le lun. 25 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 11:38, Yoav Nir a =C3=A9= crit : > +1. > > Will the slides be made available anywhere? > > Yoav > > On 22 Jul 2016, at 1:16 AM, Banks, Sarah wrote= : > > Good evening, > I wanted to take a minute, before the madness that is checkout-network > teardown-find a cab that is Friday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for > organizing a most entertaining, engaging, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. Wha= t > a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an IETF meeting > (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's hoping we see it > again at IETF 97. > > Thanks > Sarah > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > --001a113df2aa441590053884b263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any video?

Le=C2=A0lun. 25 juil. 2016 =C3=A0=C2=A011:38, Yoav Nir <<= a href=3D"mailto:ynir.ietf@gmail.com">ynir.ietf@gmail.com> a =C3=A9c= rit=C2=A0:
+1.

Will the slides be made available anywhe= re?=C2=A0

Yoav

On 22 Jul 2016, at 1:16 AM, Banks, Sarah <Sarah.Banks@netscou= t.com> wrote:

Good evening,
I wanted to take a minute,= before the madness that is checkout-network teardown-find a cab that is Fr= iday to say thanks to Aaron Falk for organizing a most entertaining, engagi= ng, and hysterical Pecha Kucha. What a thoroughly pleasant way to spend a late hour during an= IETF meeting (outside of the bars, that is :)). Thanks Aaron! Here's h= oping we see it again at IETF 97.

Thanks
Sarah

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On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at = 3:40 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> = wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Unfortunately I missed it this time around.=C2=A0 Did anyone record it?


On 07/22/2016 12:43 PM, Peter Yee wrote:
Allow me to add my thanks for a splendid hour spent listening to beautiful music.=C2=A0 The IETF is lucky to have such talented musicians who also masquerade as skilled network engineers.

Kind regards,
-Peter

On 7/21/16, 2:51 PM, "96attendees on behalf of Gregory Mirsky" <96attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

=20 =20 =20

Wholeheartedly agree with Steve.

Charlie and Cristian, it was immense joy to listen to your performances. Bravo!!!

=C2=A0=

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From:<= /b> 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Steve Blake
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:11 PM
To: Charlie Perkins <charles.perkins@earthlink.net&= gt;; Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspeedchecker.co.u= k>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm<= /p>

=C2=A0

I would like to thank both Charlie and Cristian for two beautiful guitar performances this evening.=C2=A0 For tho= se in attendance, it was a real treat.=C2=A0 I look forward = to hearing you both play again at a future meeting.

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0=

Regards,

=C2=A0=

// Steve=C2=A0=C2=A0 <steve.blake@ericsson.com>=

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From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Perkins
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:31 AM
To: Cristian Varas <cristian@broadbandspe= edchecker.co.uk>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Some classical guitar music tonight at 10:00pm<= /p>

=C2= =A0

Hello Cristian,

By all means!

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.n<= u>

=C2= =A0

On 7/21/2016 7:23 AM, Cristian Varas wrote:

Just a quick question... May I play a couple of pieces as well? I am a classical and flamenco player and would love to participate with the other half of my life in this....

= =C2=A0

On Ju= l 21, 2016 16:21, "Charlie Perkins" <charles.perkins= @earthlink.net> wrote:

Hello folks,

After all the excitement of Bits & Bites, perhaps you'd enjoy listening to a gentle performance of some classical guitar music.

If so, please consider coming to the Tiergarten room at 10:00 this evening, where I expect to perform some of my favorite guitar melodies for your entertainment.=C2=A0 It may only be for 20 or = 30 minutes, or who knows?

Harmoniously,
Charlie P.

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Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <316314BF-8F9C-4A60-8F2C-63B1CE5FC83D@gmail.com> From: Aaron Falk Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:14:39 +0000 Message-ID: To: 96attendees@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114316c6cffa210538b89f1d Archived-At: Cc: Tero Kivinen Subject: Re: [96attendees] Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:14:53 -0000 --001a114316c6cffa210538b89f1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had a number of requests for slides & video of last week's event. I've posted them here . Thanks to Tero for capturing the video and the presenters for granting permission to share it. --aaron On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:02 PM Aaron Falk wrote: > Hey Folks- > > I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please send > me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if the > secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2= =80=A6 watch > this space. > > =E2=80=94aaron > > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > > *Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha* > Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD > > A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in > Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on the > screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk lasting > for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- t= o > be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic should be a > IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not > mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social event. (It will be > BYOB.) > > Format Details: > > - Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first > served. > - To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to > aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive confirmation. > - Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 > slides, primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 seconds= ). > There are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a g= ood > Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 > ], > [3 ]. > > -- --aaron =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DShort message from my phone=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --001a114316c6cffa210538b89f1d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had a number of requests for slides & video o= f last week's event.=C2=A0 I've posted them here.=C2=A0 Thanks to Tero for capturing the video an= d the presenters for granting permission to share it.

--= aaron

On Wed, Jul 6, 201= 6 at 6:02 PM Aaron Falk <aaron.f= alk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal so= cial thing in Berlin.=C2=A0 See below.=C2=A0 Please send me an email if you= want to participate.=C2=A0 The event will happen if the secretariat gives = me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this spac= e.

=E2=80=94aaron

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B= ad Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening at 22:30 in room=C2=A0TBD= =C2=A0=C2=A0

A=C2=A0Pecha Kucha=C2=A0is a lightning-talk presentatio= n format, originating in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only=C2= =A0slides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatica= lly.=C2=A0 With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the feature=C2=A0of forc= ing presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused and brief.=C2=A0 This is = an unofficial event.=C2=A0The topic should be a IETF-related and satirical = or controversial in some way, although not mean-spirited.=C2=A0 Anyone can = participate in this social event. (It=C2=A0will be BYOB.) =C2=A0
=C2=A0= =C2=A0
Format Details:
  • Presentation slots are open to all, assig= ned first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs = to send a name and title to=C2=A0aaron.falk@gmail.com=C2=A0and receive confirmation.
  • Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, = primarily image-only, automatically advancing=C2=A0every 20 seconds).=C2=A0= There are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good = Pecha Kucha.=C2=A0 Here are a few: [1], [2], [3].=C2=A0
--
--aaron

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DShort message from my phone=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D
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I've so wanted to share some of these :-) On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: > I've had a number of requests for slides & video of last week's event. > I've posted them here . Thanks to Tero for > capturing the video and the presenters for granting permission to share i= t. > > --aaron > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:02 PM Aaron Falk wrote: > >> Hey Folks- >> >> I want to do an informal social thing in Berlin. See below. Please sen= d >> me an email if you want to participate. The event will happen if the >> secretariat gives me a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2= =80=A6 watch >> this space. >> >> =E2=80=94aaron >> >> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >> >> *Bad Attitude Pecha Kucha* >> Thursday evening at 22:30 in room TBD >> >> A Pecha Kucha is a lightning-talk presentation format, originating in >> Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only slides that are each on th= e >> screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically. With each talk lasting >> for 6:40, it has the feature of forcing presentations -- good or bad -- = to >> be focused and brief. This is an unofficial event. The topic should be = a >> IETF-related and satirical or controversial in some way, although not >> mean-spirited. Anyone can participate in this social event. (It will be >> BYOB.) >> >> Format Details: >> >> - Presentation slots are open to all, assigned first come, first >> served. >> - To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to send a name and title to >> aaron.falk@gmail.com and receive confirmation. >> - Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 >> slides, primarily image-only, automatically advancing every 20 second= s). >> There are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a = good >> Pecha Kucha. Here are a few: [1 ], [2 >> ], >> [3 ]. >> >> -- > --aaron > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DShort message from my phone=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > _______________________________________________ > 96attendees mailing list > 96attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees > > --94eb2c060208ad8a150538b8b708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Awesome!=C2=A0 I've so wanted to share some of these := -)

On Thu, J= ul 28, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com>= wrote:
I've had a n= umber of requests for slides & video of last week's event.=C2=A0 I&= #39;ve posted them here.=C2=A0 Thanks to Tero for capturing the video and the presenter= s for granting permission to share it.

--aaron


On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:02 PM Aaron F= alk <aaron.fal= k@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Folks-

I want to do an informal soci= al thing in Berlin.=C2=A0 See below.=C2=A0 Please send me an email if you w= ant to participate.=C2=A0 The event will happen if the secretariat gives me= a room and we get a critical mass of presenters=E2=80=A6 watch this space.=

=E2=80=94aaron

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

Bad = Attitude Pecha Kucha
Thursday evening at 22:30 in room=C2=A0TBD=C2= =A0=C2=A0

A=C2=A0Pecha Kucha=C2=A0is a lightning-talk presentation f= ormat, originating in Japan, where a speaker presents 20 image-only=C2=A0sl= ides that are each on the screen for 20 seconds and advance automatically.= =C2=A0 With each talk lasting for 6:40, it has the feature=C2=A0of forcing = presentations -- good or bad -- to be focused and brief.=C2=A0 This is an u= nofficial event.=C2=A0The topic should be a IETF-related and satirical or c= ontroversial in some way, although not mean-spirited.=C2=A0 Anyone can part= icipate in this social event. (It=C2=A0will be BYOB.) =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2= =A0
Format Details:
  • Presentation slots are open to all, assigned= first come, first served.
  • To reserve a slot, a presenter needs to = send a name and title to=C2=A0aaron.falk@gmail.com=C2=A0and receive confirmation.
    • Presenters must agree to adhere to the Pecha Kucha format (20 slides, pri= marily image-only, automatically advancing=C2=A0every 20 seconds).=C2=A0 Th= ere are lots of online tutorials and suggestions for how to make a good Pec= ha Kucha.=C2=A0 Here are a few: [1], [2], [3].=C2=A0
--
--aaron

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DShort message from my phone=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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