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A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Real-time Applications
and Infrastructure Area.  The IESG has not made any determination as
yet.
The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for
informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG
mailing
list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday, March 15, 2011.                       =20

Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr)
------------------------------------------------
Current Status: Proposed Working Group
Last updated: 2011-02-18

Chair(s):
   TBD

Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Director(s):
   * Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>
   * Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>

Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor:
   * Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>

Mailing Lists:
   General Discussion: TBD (expected to be vipr@ietf.org)
   To Subscribe: TBD
   Archive: TBD

Description of Working Group:

There are two globally deployed address spaces for communications used
by more than a billion people daily - phone numbers and DNS rooted
address such as web servers and email addresses.  The inter-domain
signaling design of SIP is primarily designed for email style addresses
yet a large percentage of SIP deployments mostly use phone numbers for
identifying users, thus DNS lookups are not sufficient.  The goal of
this working group is to enable inter-domain communications over the
Internet, using protocols such as SIP, while still allowing people to
use phone numbers to identify the person with whom they wish to
communicate.

The VIPR WG will develop a peer to peer based approach to finding
domains that claim to be responsible for a given phone number to
mitigate the involvement of centralized entities to avoid some of the
issues encountered by past attempts to support SIP inter-domain
communications.  Validation protocols will be developed to ensure a
reasonable likelihood that a given domain actually is responsible for
the phone number.  In this context, "responsible" means an
administrative domain, which is at least one of the domains, to which a
PSTN call to this phone number would be routed.  Once the domain
responsible for the phone number is found, existing protocols, such as
SIP, can be used for inter-domain communications.

Some validation protocols may be based on knowledge gathered around a
PSTN call; for example, the ability to prove a call was received over
the PSTN based on start and stop times.  Other validation schemes, such
as examining fingerprints or watermarking of PSTN media to show that a
domain received a particular PSTN phone call, may also be considered by
the working group.  This validation will be accomplished using publicly
available open interfaces to the PSTN, so the validation can be
performed by any domain wishing to participate.  The WG will select and
standardize at least one validation scheme.

The validation mechanism requires a domain to gather and maintain
information related to PSTN calls.  This information is used by call
agents such as phones, SBCs and IP PBXs to route calls.  The WG will
also develop mechanisms to detect in a timely manner that a given domain
is no longer responsible for a phone number.  The WG will define a
client-server protocol between these call agents and the entity within a
domain that maintains the information.

To help mitigate SPAM issues when using SIP between domains, the WG will
define a mechanism to enable one domain to check that incoming SIP
messages are coming from a validated phone number.  A phone number is
considered validated if it is coming from a domain to which the calling
domain had previously successfully placed a PSTN call.  The working
group will define new SIP headers and option tags, as necessary, to
enable this.

The essential characteristic of VIPR is establishing authentication by
PSTN reachability when it is not possible to use a direct reference to
ENUM databases or other direct assertions of PSTN number ownership.
Elements such as public ENUM easily coexist with VIPR but no direct
interaction with ENUM will be required.  The solution set defined by
this WG will be incrementally deployable using only existing interfaces
to the PSTN.  No changes will be required to existing PSTN capabilities,
no new database access is needed nor is any new support from PSTN
service providers required.

The WG will produce the following deliverables:

1) A document describing the requirements, problem statement and
architectural approach to support SIP inter-domain communications.
2) A document describing the use of the p2psip protocol (RELOAD) as
applied to this problem space.
3) A document defining a scheme for validating the phone numbers using
publicly available open interfaces to the PSTN.
4) A document defining client-server protocol between call agents and
the entity within a domain that gathers and maintains information
related to PSTN calls.
5) A document describing a mechanism to mitigate SPAM issues.

The working group will carefully coordinate with the security area, O&M
area, as well as the appropriate RAI WGs such as sipcore and p2psip.

Goals and Milestones:

Sep 2011  Submit Requirements, Problem statement, and architecture=20
          overview for publication as Informational Dec 2011  Submit
Peer to peer base protocol specification for=20
          publication as Proposed Standard Dec 2011  Submit PSTN based
number validation techniques for publication=20
          as Proposed Standard
Apr 2012  Submit Protocol for call agents to exchange call and routing=20
          information for publication as Proposed Standard Apr 2012
Submit Specification of authorization tokens to mitigate SPAM=20
          for publication as Proposed Standard

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A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Operations and
Management Area.  The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The
following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational
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Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center
(armd)
------------------------------------------------
Current Status: Proposed Working Group
Last updated: 2011-02-18

Chairs:
  TBD

Operations and Management Area Directors:
  Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
  Dan Romascanu <dromasca@avaya.com>

Operations and Management Area Advisor:
  Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>

Internet Area Advisor:
  Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>

Mailing lists:
  Address:      armd@ietf.org
  To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/armd
  Archive:      http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/armd/

Description of Working Group:

Changing workloads in datacenters are having an impact on the
performance of current datacenter network designs.  For example, the use
of virtual machines (VMs) as a means for deployment and management of
new services often results in a significant increase in the number of
hosts attached to the network.  Various requirements for the deployment
of VMs in data center networks, such as support for VM mobility, has led
to architectures in which broadcast domains are scaling up to span more
switching devices and VM servers, and to interconnect more hosts (as
represented by VMs).

In these deployment architectures, heavily used protocols that are based
on broadcast or multicast, such as ARP and ND, may contribute to poor
network performance.  The armd Working Group will investigate the impact
of changing workloads and existing protocols on datacenter network
performance.

In its work, the armd Working Group will take into consideration work
done in data center networking standardization by other SDOs, such as
the IEEE 802.1 Data Center Bridging Task Group, and will communicate and
exchange information with these organizations.

Working Group objectives:

(1) Document the current practices in data center network architectures
and the scaling characteristics of ARP and ND with respect to large
sized layer-2 domains in data centers.

(2) Provide operational recommendations intended to minimize issues
associated with these architectures and characteristics.

Area affiliation of the Working Group:

The armd Working Group is assigned to the Operations and Management
area, and will maintain close collaboration with the Internet area.
Because of its affiliation with Operations and Management, the armd
Working Group will focus on documenting current practices and scaling
characteristics, and will not do any protocol development or extension
work.

If the Working Group identifies opportunities for protocol development
or extensions, it will first develop requirements for that work.  Any
protocol development work will be conducted in the appropriate existing
Working Groups if such work groups exist. If no such working groups
exist, armd may recharter to address the work and may be moved to a
different area.

Deliverables (Informational RFCs; list to be removed prior to posting):=20
o Problem statement and review of current L2/L3 architectures o Report
on ARP/ND statistics collection and behavior analysis in
  various Data Center environments
o Recommendations on data center L2/L3 architectures and
   identification of opportunities for protocol development work

Milestones (Informational RFCs to be completed for IESG review):

May 2011 - Problem statement
Nov 2011 - ARP/ND statistics collection and behavior analysis in
          various Data Center environments
          - many subnets with various sizes
          - subnets with hosts with VMs and VMs migrate over time
          - subnets with some hosts on local VMs and others on VMs in
 	     the cloud (like Amazon's ECS),=20
          - Large subnet.
Nov 2011 - Survey of Existing Implementations Nov 2011 - Survey of
Security Mar 2012 - Recommendations to avoid or minimize issues caused
by
          ARP/ND
Mar 2012 - Gap Analysis

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Please send me your questions, comments and concerns before 3/16 COB.=20

Thanks and Regards,

Dan

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...

2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-httpbis-content-disp-06
    Use of the Content-Disposition Header Field in the Hypertext
    Transfer Protocol (HTTP) (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Mark Nottingham (HTTPBIS chair) is the document shepherd
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-ietf-ancp-protocol-15
    Protocol for Access Node Control Mechanism in Broadband Networks
    (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Matthew Bocci (matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Ralph Droms

  o draft-ietf-sidr-res-certs-21
    A Profile for X.509 PKIX Resource Certificates (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Sandra Murphy (Sandra.Murphy@sparta.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-sidr-cp-16
    Certificate Policy (CP) for the Resource PKI (RPKI (BCP)
    Note: Sandra Murphy (Sandra.Murphy@cobham.com ) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-sidr-iana-objects-01
    RPKI Objects issued by IANA (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Chris Morrow (christopher.morrow@gmail.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging-recommendations-03
    Logging recommendations for Internet facing servers (BCP)
    Note: Julien Laganier (julien.ietf@gmail.com) is the document
    shepherd
    Token: Jari Arkko

  o draft-ietf-ipsecme-failure-detection-06
    A Quick Crash Detection Method for IKE (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Paul Hoffman (paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Sean Turner

  o draft-ietf-mip4-gre-key-extension-04
    GRE Key Extension for Mobile IPv4 (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Pete McCann (mccap@petoni.org) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Jari Arkko

2.1.2 Returning Items

  o draft-ietf-isis-genapp-04
    Advertising Generic Information in IS-IS (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-geopriv-rfc3825bis-17
    Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Options for Coordinate-based
    Location Configuration Information (Proposed Standard)
    Note: The Document Shepherd for this document is Richard Barnes
    (rbarnes@bbn.com).
    Token: Robert Sparks

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

  o draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06
    The 'about' URI scheme (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

2.2.2 Returning Items

  o draft-bryan-metalinkhttp-22
    Metalink/HTTP: Mirrors and Hashes (Proposed Standard)
    Note: Lars, please review the updated version to see if it addresses
    your concern
    Token: Alexey Melnikov
    Was deferred by Alexey Melnikov on 2011-02-17

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

  o draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-in-mobile-networks-03
    Mobile Networks Considerations for IPv6 Deployment (Informational)
    Note: Fred Baker (fred@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
    Token: Ron Bonica

  o draft-ietf-morg-multimailbox-search-07
    IMAP4 Multimailbox SEARCH Extension (Experimental)
    Note: Julian Reschke  is the Document Shepherd.
    Token: Peter Saint-Andre

  o draft-ietf-hip-cert-11
    Host Identity Protocol Certificates (Experimental)
    Note: Gonzalo Camarillo (Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com) is the
    document shepherd.
    Token: Ralph Droms
    Was deferred by Russ Housley on 2011-03-03

  o draft-ietf-sidr-arch-12
    An Infrastructure to Support Secure Internet Routing (Informational)
    Note: Sandra Murphy (Sandra.Murphy@cobham.com ) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Stewart Bryant

  o draft-ietf-netext-pmip6-lr-ps-05
    PMIPv6 Localized Routing Problem Statement (Informational)
    Note: Basavaraj Patil (basavaraj.patil@nokia.com) is the document
    shepherd.
    Token: Jari Arkko

3.1.2 Returning Items

  NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Items

  o draft-zhu-mobility-survey-03
    A Survey of Mobility Support In the Internet (Informational)
    Token: Jari Arkko

  o draft-herzog-static-ecdh-05
    Use of static-static Elliptic-Curve Diffie-Hellman key agreement in
    Cryptographic Message Syntax
     (Informational)
    Note: Jonathan Herzog (jherzog@ll.mit.edu) is the document Shepherd.
    Token: Tim Polk

  o draft-meadors-multiple-attachments-ediint-11
    Multiple Attachments for EDI-INT (Informational)
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

  o draft-mrw-nat66-10
    IPv6-to-IPv6 Network Prefix Translation (Experimental)
    Token: Ron Bonica

  o draft-zhu-mobileme-doc-05
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  o draft-hu-flow-label-cases-03
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  o Verification Involving PSTN Reachability (vipr)
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Hi,=20

The AAA-Doctors directorate will meet at IETF-80 for a work meeting over
lunch, on Thursday March 31, 11:45 to 13:00. I do not yet know the room
name, I will communicate it as soon as I will know it.=20

Please let me know if you have issues that you want to raise in the
meeting.=20

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Dan=20

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Did I miss a message or we are still waiting for the room for the lunch? =
:)

Lionel

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Hi,

The AAA-Doctors work lunch will take place in Prague as at all IETF
meetings during the Thursday lunch break. The date is this time Thursday
3/31. The location will be announced close to the meeting. Please
confirm participation. If you have any items that you would like to be
discussed over this lunch please let me know.=20

Regards,

Dan
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Hi,=20

I do not have skype on my PC - can somebody else who will attend the
lunch on Thursday help?=20

Items for the agenda are also welcome.=20

Thanks and Regards,

Dan=20

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  If someone can do Skype, I can call in.

  My skype ID is "aland-quiconnect".

  Alan DeKok.

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Hi,=20

Maybe I missed communicating it :-)=20

It's room Rokoshka - M(ezanine) level.=20

Reminder - agenda items are welcome.=20

Thanks and Regards,

Dan=20
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Hi AAA Doctors,=20

This is a reminder that the AAA-doctors team lunch will take place
tomorrow Thursday March 31, in the Rokoska room at the M level.=20

Thanks and Regards,

Dan=20
