Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id h4CMt1U02501 for root; Mon, 12 May 2003 17:55:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:40:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200305122255.h4CMt1U02501@example.com> To: abfab@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > How many Moonshot folks will be at IETF 77 in Anaheim? I'll=20 > be there so I'd be happy to chat with you about it then. We're planning a Bar BOF; more on this shortly. best regards, josh. JANET(UK) is a trading name of The JNT Association, a company limited by guarantee which is registered in England under No. 2881024=20 and whose Registered Office is at Lumen House, Library Avenue, Harwell Science and Innovation Campus, Didcot, Oxfordshire. OX11 0SG Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id h4CMt1U02501 for root; Mon, 12 May 2003 17:55:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:24:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200305122255.h4CMt1U02501@example.com> To: abfab@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Peter, > You do have some XMPP experts on this list. :) Thanks for dropping by :-) > I'd be happy to have a chat with you and=20 > anyone else who's interested so that we can figure out what=20 > your requirements are and whether XMPP meets those=20 > requirements (or can be extended to do so). Perhaps we can=20 > set up a conference call in the near future? Having spoken to others off-line, I think that it is likely that defining a new lower-layer for EAP (while attractive in principle) will introduce a host of other issues. Looking at this pragmatically, there is a strong argument for "better the devil you know". It could be that we end up defining a new EAP lower-layer if we fail with RadSec/RADIUS, but at least we'll be better informed having tried. I am personally still interested in exploring this possibility, but I think we should consider this a 'research' topic and proceed with the SAML RADIUS Binding as originally proposed. In terms of having a call, I suggest that we wait until we have finished documenting the use-cases and the concrete technical proposal to address these. Hopefully Sam and I will have this done within 3 weeks or so. That will provide a dart-board that other ideas can take aim against. Thank you for your offer, and I look forward to having this discussion! best regards, josh. JANET(UK) is a trading name of The JNT Association, a company limited by guarantee which is registered in England under No. 2881024=20 and whose Registered Office is at Lumen House, Library Avenue, Harwell Science and Innovation Campus, Didcot, Oxfordshire. OX11 0SG Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id h4CMt1U02501 for root; Mon, 12 May 2003 17:55:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:17:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200305122255.h4CMt1U02501@example.com> To: abfab@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sam wrote: > First, I think the right technical approach is to ignore the=20 > RADIUS MTU issue. Would this be acceptable to IETF? Ot are you talking about the implementation? josh. JANET(UK) is a trading name of The JNT Association, a company limited by guarantee which is registered in England under No. 2881024=20 and whose Registered Office is at Lumen House, Library Avenue, Harwell Science and Innovation Campus, Didcot, Oxfordshire. OX11 0SG Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id h4CMt1U02501 for root; Mon, 12 May 2003 17:55:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:34:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200305122255.h4CMt1U02501@example.com> To: abfab@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040402020707010106020501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/22/10 1:24 PM, Josh Howlett wrote: > Hi Peter, >=20 >> You do have some XMPP experts on this list. :) >=20 > Thanks for dropping by :-) >=20 >> I'd be happy to have a chat with you and=20 >> anyone else who's interested so that we can figure out what=20 >> your requirements are and whether XMPP meets those=20 >> requirements (or can be extended to do so). Perhaps we can=20 >> set up a conference call in the near future? >=20 > Having spoken to others off-line, I think that it is likely that > defining a new lower-layer for EAP (while attractive in principle) will= > introduce a host of other issues. Looking at this pragmatically, there > is a strong argument for "better the devil you know". >=20 > It could be that we end up defining a new EAP lower-layer if we fail > with RadSec/RADIUS, but at least we'll be better informed having tried.= Yes, that might make more sense. Depending on your requirements, naturally. :) > I am personally still interested in exploring this possibility, but I > think we should consider this a 'research' topic and proceed with the > SAML RADIUS Binding as originally proposed. >=20 > In terms of having a call, I suggest that we wait until we have finishe= d > documenting the use-cases and the concrete technical proposal to addres= s > these. Hopefully Sam and I will have this done within 3 weeks or so. > That will provide a dart-board that other ideas can take aim against. >=20 > Thank you for your offer, and I look forward to having this discussion!= How many Moonshot folks will be at IETF 77 in Anaheim? I'll be there so I'd be happy to chat with you about it then. 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