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Hello all,

Please find agenda for IETF 91 F2F meeting:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-ace

Please let us know if you have any agenda changes.

Thanks,

Kind Regards
Kepeng & Hannes


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Bert,

I=E2=80=99d actually like to discuss this draft in the core meeting.
To me, this is more about authorization requirements in the resource =
directory than things that ACE specifically has to achieve in its =
protocol.  But maybe we need to discuss this.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


> On 29 Oct 2014, at 03:25, Bert Greevenbosch =
<Bert.Greevenbosch@huawei.com> wrote:
>=20
> I made a typo in the previous e-mail: the RD is implemented as a CoAP =
server, not a CoAP client.
> ---
> Hi all,
> =20
> On Monday, I uploaded a draft that applies ACE to the Resource =
Directory.
> =20
> =
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-greevenbosch-ace-resource-directory/=

> =20
> Since the Resource Directory is implemented as a CoAP server, ideally =
we can use standard ACE to protect it. The draft's aim is to describe =
how to do this.
> =20
> However, since the ACE architecture is not yet chosen, the draft =
currently remains fairly high level, and mainly describes issues and =
related requirements for a solution to be described later.
> =20
> The draft is informative, as its goal is not to specify new =
technology, but rather to describe how ACE can be used for protection of =
the RD. I also think it is a good opportunity to see how ACE works in a =
practical situation.
> =20
> Comments are welcome.
> =20
> Best regards,
> Bert
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Hi Bert,
Hi all,

I wanted to provide a brief, written response to your ACE presentation
at IETF91 in http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-ace-3.pp=
tx

The model used by draft-wahlstroem-ace-oauth-iot and by token
introspection is the following:

Client -> AS: Request Access Token
Client <- AS: Get Handle to Access Token

Client -> RS: Send Access Token Handle

RS -> AS: Token Introspection Req. (Access Token Handle)
RS <- AS: Token Introspection Resp. (Content of Access Token)

While this is not directly a pull model it does not match the indirect
push model described in the slide set either. I am not sure any proposal
uses the indirect push model described in your figure.

OAuth is typically described in a three party setup (since it is a
common deployment very much like Kerberos is described as a three party
protocol as well). However, it may also have more entities if the AS and
the RS belong to separate administrative domains. As I mentioned in
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tschofenig-ace-overview-00 there is
also this Kantara UMA work, which builds on OAuth extensions, to extend
the model.

In fact, the number of parties is not a good measure overall since any
of the protocols can easily utilize more parties. Just consider how
complex AAA/EAP deployments and PKI deployments can get in a real world
environment.

Regarding the ticket format OAuth provides a lot of flexibility since
the access token is opaque to the client (and with token introspection
also for the RS). This means that you can use any format you like,
including the JWT format or a new design.

Regarding the protocol stack the OAuth-IoT proposal changed the
transport from HTTP to CoAP for the communication between the client and
the AS. For the client to RS communication it really depends on the
environment; a number of possible deployments are easy to imagine,
including exchanging access tokens inside a Bluetooth Smart GATT
exchange, a DTLS/CoAP exchange, or a CoAP with application layer security=
=2E

As you see so far, OAuth provides a lot of flexibility to deal with the
variety of requirements from different environments and the same is true
for client credentials. You can use a shared secret or an asymmetric
credential for client authentication in OAuth. It is not outside the
scope but rather left to the deployment to decide what is best.

The OAuth IoT drafts define new CoAP options to communicate the access
token from the client to the resource server. I guess all solutions will
have to find out a way to convey the token/ticket/cert/etc. from the
client to the RS somehow. Whether this is inside the CoAP exchange or
somewhere else does not really matter.

In the end you mention that "OAuth are trying to tweak a solution that
was not designed for IoT towards IoT.". It sounded as this would be
negative but, as Erik mentioned, you could also see this as an advantage
in a number of ways (particularly for those who have existing deployment
experience with OAuth already).

Ciao
Hannes



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ACE WG Meeting

IETF 91 - Honolulu

Wednesday 12 November 2014, 13:00 - 15:00 HST

Chairs: Kepeng Li, Hannes Tschofenig



* Use Cases (Sandeep Kumar, 30 mins)

   - http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-seitz-ace-usecases/



7 use cases should cover most interesting IoT areas. Updates include the nu=
merous feedback and change of focus, requirements removed.



About 20 participants haves read the draft. There were some comments to rem=
ove the requirements from the document. Also there were some comments to ad=
d more use cases to cover industrial control, etc.



Humm result is to adopt this document as WG document, and this will be conf=
irmed in the mailing list.



* Actors (Carsten Bormann, 25 mins)

   - http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gerdes-ace-actors/



Several participants show interests to this draft. Open issues:

1) Should we reuse existing terminologies in other standards, or should we =
use new terminologies?

2) Should we keep CAM and SAM separately?

3) Should we move some terminologies into use case document, or keep this d=
ocument standalone or move it to the solution draft?



Continue the discussion in the mailing list.



* Architecture Comparison (Bert Greevenbosch, 25 mins)

   - http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-greevenbosch-ace-comparison/



This document compares several technical solutions for ACE on the table. Co=
mpared 5 different solutions in this draft.



There were some discussions about Pull model, OAuth and DCAF solution.



Continue the discussion in the mailing list.



* Object Security (John Mattsson, 30 mins)

   - http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-selander-ace-object-security/



There were comments about the reuse of CBOR and JOSE.



There was a question about the additional overhead.



Continue the discussion in the mailing list.



* Wrap-up (Chairs, 5 mins)



- Use case document was most important, audience voted for adoption, please=
 still provide input on additional use cases.

- We are not yet there to go for solutions, so no adoptions there.

- Aiming for next IETF meeting to go into solution space.

- Webinar on IoT hardware: another round specifically on energy-efficiency =
(Doodle).

- Some data points on ECC performance will be sent around.



Please refer to discussion details in:

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ace/minutes



Kind Regards

Kepeng


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<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-seitz-ace-usecases/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">7 use cases should cover mos=
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f focus, requirements removed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">About 20 participants haves =
read the draft. There were some comments to remove the requirements from th=
e document. Also there were some comments to add more use cases to cover in=
dustrial control, etc.
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Humm result is to adopt this=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">* Actors (Carsten Bormann, 2=
5 mins) <o:p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href=
=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gerdes-ace-actors/">
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-gerdes-ace-actors/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Several participants show in=
terests to this draft. Open issues:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">1) Should we reuse existing =
terminologies in other standards, or should we use new terminologies?<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">2) Should we keep CAM and SA=
M separately?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">3) Should we move some termi=
nologies into use case document, or keep this document standalone or move i=
t to the solution draft?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Continue the discussion in t=
he mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">* Architecture Comparison (B=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-greevenbosch-ace-comparison/">
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-greevenbosch-ace-comparison/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This document compares sever=
al technical solutions for ACE on the table. Compared 5 different solutions=
 in this draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">There were some discussions =
about Pull model, OAuth and DCAF solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Continue the discussion in t=
he mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">* Object Security (John Matt=
sson, 30 mins)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- <a href=
=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-selander-ace-object-security/">
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/draft-selander-ace-object-security/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">There were comments about th=
e reuse of CBOR and JOSE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">There was a question about t=
he additional overhead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Continue the discussion in t=
he mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">* Wrap-up (Chairs, 5 mins)<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Use case document was most=
 important, audience voted for adoption, please still provide input on addi=
tional use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- We are not yet there to go=
 for solutions, so no adoptions there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Aiming for next IETF meeti=
ng to go into solution space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Webinar on IoT hardware: a=
nother round specifically on energy-efficiency (Doodle).<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Some data points on ECC pe=
rformance will be sent around.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please refer to discussion d=
etails in:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf=
.org/wg/ace/minutes"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">=
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ace/minutes</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Kepeng<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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On 11/19/2014 10:38 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> This note begins a Call For Adoption for draft-seitz-ace-usecases-02	to=

> be adopted as an ACE working group item. The Call ends on December 3, 2=
014.
>
> Keep in mind that adoption of a document does not mean the document
> as-is is ready for publication. It is merely acceptance of the
> document as a starting point for what will be the final product
> of the ACE working group. The working group is free to make changes to
> the document according to the normal consensus process.
>
> There was favorable hum toward adoption of this document at
> IETF 91 in Hawaii. We will factor this into the decision at the close
> of this Call.
>
> Please reply on this thread with expressions of support or opposition,
> preferably with comments, regarding accepting this as a work item.
>
> Ciao
> Hannes & Kepeng
>
>

I support adoption (obviously, I am one of the authors) and I am willing =

to continue to contribute to this work.

/Ludwig


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On 19/11/2014 9:13 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> This note begins a Call For Adoption for draft-seitz-ace-usecases-02	to=

> be adopted as an ACE working group item. The Call ends on November 3, 2=
014.
>
> Keep in mind that adoption of a document does not mean the document
> as-is is ready for publication. It is merely acceptance of the
> document as a starting point for what will be the final product
> of the ACE working group. The working group is free to make changes to
> the document according to the normal consensus process.
>
> There was favorable hum toward adoption of this document at
> IETF 91 in Hawaii. We will factor this into the decision at the close
> of this Call.
>
> Please reply on this thread with expressions of support or opposition,
> preferably with comments, regarding accepting this as a work item.
>
> Ciao
> Hannes & Kepeng
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    I support adoption of draft-seitz-ace-usecases as a WG item and will
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be adopted as an ACE working group item. The Call ends on November 3, 201=
4.

Keep in mind that adoption of a document does not mean the document
as-is is ready for publication. It is merely acceptance of the
document as a starting point for what will be the final product
of the ACE working group. The working group is free to make changes to
the document according to the normal consensus process.

There was favorable hum toward adoption of this document at
IETF 91 in Hawaii. We will factor this into the decision at the close
of this Call.

Please reply on this thread with expressions of support or opposition,
preferably with comments, regarding accepting this as a work item.

Ciao
Hannes &amp; Kepeng

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I have read the draft and followed the discussion on the mailing list.
I support the adoption of this draft as an ACE WG item.

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I support the adoption of this draft. The target is to derive a general and=
 comprehensive requirements from the use cases, and I will be happy to cont=
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Regards,
Danping
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I followed the draft discussion and also discussed several times with 
Ludwig offline.
The draft looks very well and I will be happy to support Ludwig in 
updates and , thus, I am for the adoption.

+Corinna

Am 19.11.14 um 10:13 schrieb Hannes Tschofenig:
> This note begins a Call For Adoption for draft-seitz-ace-usecases-02	to
> be adopted as an ACE working group item. The Call ends on November 3, 2014.
>
> Keep in mind that adoption of a document does not mean the document
> as-is is ready for publication. It is merely acceptance of the
> document as a starting point for what will be the final product
> of the ACE working group. The working group is free to make changes to
> the document according to the normal consensus process.
>
> There was favorable hum toward adoption of this document at
> IETF 91 in Hawaii. We will factor this into the decision at the close
> of this Call.
>
> Please reply on this thread with expressions of support or opposition,
> preferably with comments, regarding accepting this as a work item.
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> Ciao
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I followed the draft discussion and
      also discussed several times with Ludwig offline.<br>
      The draft looks very well and I will be happy to support Ludwig in
      updates and , thus, I am for the adoption.<br>
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      <pre wrap="">This note begins a Call For Adoption for draft-seitz-ace-usecases-02	to
be adopted as an ACE working group item. The Call ends on November 3, 2014.

Keep in mind that adoption of a document does not mean the document
as-is is ready for publication. It is merely acceptance of the
document as a starting point for what will be the final product
of the ACE working group. The working group is free to make changes to
the document according to the normal consensus process.

There was favorable hum toward adoption of this document at
IETF 91 in Hawaii. We will factor this into the decision at the close
of this Call.

Please reply on this thread with expressions of support or opposition,
preferably with comments, regarding accepting this as a work item.

Ciao
Hannes &amp; Kepeng

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Dear all:

I am in favor of adopting this document. I think it is a good starting =
point for identifying use cases.

Best Regards.
El 19/11/2014, a las 10:38, Hannes Tschofenig =
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I agree that this doc could be a good start and support to adopt it.=20

Cheers

Dacheng

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> > This note begins a Call For Adoption for draft-seitz-ace-usecases-02	to
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I have read draft-seitz-ace-usecases anew from scratch.
I support adopting it.=20=20

I'm not sure what other work the WG will even do on it; and I suggest
publishing it ASAP.  (or to put it another way, we should be adopting
documents earlier)

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