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Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
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ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-he=
ight:150%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-heig=
ht:150%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Although thes=
e technologies provide significant benefits within a single domain control =
boundary, they do not meet the growing need for transport
 network virtualization in multi-domain transport networks. More and more <=
/span>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">network operators are building and =
operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collections of=
 links and nodes) may be each of a different technology,
 administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-=
end connections spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operat=
ors because of both operational concerns (control plane and management plan=
e) and interoperability issues (control
 plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, new services that requir=
e connections that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and =
often manual operations to interface different vendor equipment and technol=
ogy.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ght:150%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ight:150%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-ind=
ent:-.25in;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ent:-.25in;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-ind=
ent:-.25in;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-ind=
ent:-.25in;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
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p;
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-ind=
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p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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ight:150%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
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;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
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p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
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p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation

Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may want to do charter text formatti=
ng in RFC text format taking care of word-wraps and indentation<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-        Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-        Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and=
 protection, and

-        Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computa=
tion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-        High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks t=
o enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-        Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-        Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use case=
s.

-        Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and da=
ta models

-        Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding langua=
ges and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-        Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick terminology comme=
nt - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is both L1 and L0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I would suggest to reword as &#822=
0;This implies that at least the following transport networks are in
 scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optic=
al networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other e=
merging network technologies with connection-oriented behavior&#8221;.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
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Hello All,

I am new to this conversation and was thrilled to find it so directly in
line with work that I am currently involved in at the Industrial Internet
Consortium. We have a use case on Connectivity that many of us are keen to
move towards a testbed - the problem is complex.

One key factor that must be addressed are roots of trust used for
credentialing systems across these different domains. Abstraction in a
standard way can be achieved (with some work) but quantifying 'trust'
across domain boundaries requires common roots of trust so that
cryptographic substantiation of identity is uniform. There is work along
the lines of Roots of Trust for Cyber-Physical Systems going on at the
Cyber Security Research Alliance although their work is focused on PKI, a
cryptosystem that can't support cross-domain trust.

Best,

Michael Mossbarger
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif">Hello All,<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am new to this conversation and was thrill=
ed to find it so directly in line with work that I am currently involved in=
 at the Industrial Internet Consortium. We have a use case on Connectivity =
that many of us are keen to move towards a testbed - the problem is complex=
.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sa=
ns-serif">One key factor that must be addressed are roots of trust used for=
 credentialing systems across these different domains. Abstraction in a sta=
ndard way can be achieved (with some work) but quantifying &#39;trust&#39; =
across domain boundaries requires common roots of trust so that cryptograph=
ic substantiation of identity is uniform. There is work along the lines of =
Roots of Trust for Cyber-Physical Systems going on at the Cyber Security Re=
search Alliance although their work is focused on PKI, a cryptosystem that =
can&#39;t support cross-domain trust.<br clear=3D"all"></div><div><div dir=
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</span><div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div=
><div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best,<br></span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">=C2=A0<br></span></div>=
<span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
</span><div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font>Michael Mo=
ssbarger</font><br>Executive Director<br><span style=3D"color:rgb(56,118,29=
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/span></span><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style=3D"=
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Hi Eve,

Thanks always for being technically correct. I think your wording is fine w=
ith me.

Best regards,
Young

From: Varma, Eve L (Eve) [mailto:eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:09 AM
To: Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Eve,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks always for bein=
g technically correct. I think your wording is fine with me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Varma, E=
ve L (Eve) [mailto:eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick terminology comme=
nt - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is both L1 and L0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I would suggest to reword as &#822=
0;This implies that at least the following transport networks are in
 scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optic=
al networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other e=
merging network technologies with connection-oriented behavior&#8221;.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
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technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
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Lee,



I reviewed the charter and find it good.



I have 2 comments



Comment 1:

In 5th paragraph

YOUNG>>=E2=80=9CIt will identify key building components and the correspond=
ing
interfaces among these components. =E2=80=9C

WAUTERS>>=E2=80=9CIt will identify key building components and the correspo=
nding
interfaces among these components. Key components can be future building
block or legacy components existing today=E2=80=9C



Comment 2:

I don=E2=80=99t have a lot of experience with writing charters, but instead=
 of =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6
will work on =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D isn=E2=80=99t the objective to come to conc=
lusions or aim clear
recommendations ?

Note that my experience with IETF is not large enough to know whether what
I state here makes sense.



YOUNG>>  =E2=80=9CHigh-level architecture that describes the basic building=
 blocks
to enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

WAUTERS>> =E2=80=9C*Propose* *a *high-level architecture =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6



YOUNG>>  =E2=80=9CEvaluation of Information model/data model to support the=
 use
cases.

WAUTERS>>  =E2=80=9CEvaluate *and agree* on Information model/data model to=
 support
the use cases.



YOUNG>>  =E2=80=9CRequirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding language=
s, and
data models

WAUTERS>>  =E2=80=9C*Collect* requirements to support APIs/protocols, encod=
ing
languages, and data models



YOUNG>>Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding
languages and data models to fulfill the requirements.

WAUTERS>>*Perform* gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols,
encoding languages and data models to fulfill the requirements.



YOUNG>> =E2=80=9CProtocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

WAUTERS>> =E2=80=9C*Propose* protocol extensions (if necessary after re-cha=
rtering).



Regards

Nico





*From:* Dhruv Dhody [mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com]
*Sent:* vrijdag 12 september 2014 4:33
*To:* Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
*Subject:* Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0



Hi Young,



Please see inline..



*From:* Dhruv Dhody
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
*To:* Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
*Subject:* RE: ACTN charter v1.0



Hi Young,



Please find some comments on the proposed charter.



* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as
Transport networks?



YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One
definition from the Problem Statement draft (
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is
as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work?



Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that

   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They

   are characterized by their ability to support server layer

   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,

   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.

   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different

   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-

   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-

   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at

   least the following transport networks are in scope of the

   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,

   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical

   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging

   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.





[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing =E2=80=98i=
n the
document=E2=80=99/=E2=80=99of this draft=E2=80=99.





* =E2=80=9CTransport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path
setup and protection, and

-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path
computation.=E2=80=9D



Term =E2=80=98centralized signaling=E2=80=99 is confusing to me, do you mea=
n, the use of
NMS?



YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: =E2=80=9CAllow for distributed
signaling or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=
=9D



[Dhruv]: That works!



* =E2=80=9CThe architecture work will lead to requirements for information =
models
and protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the
physical network domain controllers and between the virtual network
controller and multi-tenant customer controllers.=E2=80=9D



It would be nice to add =E2=80=9Cmulti-domain coordinator=E2=80=9D with =E2=
=80=9Cvirtual network
controller=E2=80=9D to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant cus=
tomer
controllers doesn=E2=80=99t convey the intention to have different customer
controllers for each tenant, how about=E2=80=A6



=E2=80=9CThe architecture work will lead to requirements for information mo=
dels and
protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and
between the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer
controllers.=E2=80=9D



YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.



* =E2=80=9CThe working group will determine if new protocol extensions are
necessary. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will
develop the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while
interacting with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where
possible.=E2=80=9D



Suggest to re-word this as it=E2=80=99s not clear =E2=80=93 is it about ext=
ension to
existing protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up.
Also Protocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.



YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, =E2=80=9CAC=
TN=E2=80=9D
protocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there
may be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such
case, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy
would be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific
technologies while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.



[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CThe working group w=
ill determine if
new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the
working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new
protocols within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to
existing protocols would be done  with interactions with other working
groups where possible.=E2=80=9D



* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care
of word-wraps and indentation

YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.

[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.

This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.

Regards,

Dhruv

Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.



YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.



Dhruv





*From:* ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org <actn-bounces@ietf.org>] *On
Behalf Of *Leeyoung
*Sent:* 10 September 2014 04:53
*To:* Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
*Subject:* [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0



Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here=E2=80=99s a retransmission =
with the
subject.



*From:* Leeyoung
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
*To:* actn@ietf.org
*Subject:*



Hi,



I hope your summer break was a good one.



We=E2=80=99d like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We a=
re going
to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a
charter draft as part of the due diligence. Here=E2=80=99s an initial chart=
er draft
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the
discussions and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this
captures a workable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also
posted in the wiki:
https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor



Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good
charter developed by the community of interest.



Best regards,

Young (on behalf of the proponents)



-------------------------------draft charter 1.0
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------



Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path
computation.



These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic
networking, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these
technologies provide significant benefits within a single domain control
boundary, they do not meet the growing need for transport network
virtualization in multi-domain transport networks. More and more network
operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport networks.
These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a different
technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment
of end-to-end connections spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem
for operators because of both operational concerns (control plane and
management plane) and interoperability issues (control plane and data
plane).  Due to these issues, new services that require connections that
traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.



The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to
facilitate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a
virtualized environment allowing operators to view and control
multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction
of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their network
services into multi-tenant virtual transport networks. This will enable
rapid service deployment of new dynamic and elastic services, and will
improve overall network operations and scaling of existing services.
Discussion with operators has also highlighted a need for virtual network
operation based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor
domains.



Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control
hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain
controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for
abstracting network resource information to provide virtual network control
functions. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a
multi-domain network coordinator to support various
services/clients/applications to create and manage their own virtual
networks that share the common transport network resources.



The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for
transport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless
vertical service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily
internal service organizations with respect to a network operator), the
virtual network control and the physical network domain controls as well as
a horizontal E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will
identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among
these components.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for
information models and protocol extensions between the virtual network
controller and the physical network domain controllers and between the virt=
ual
network controller and multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use
cases from operators perspective with clearly stated need for transport
network virtualization are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve
the deliverables of the working group.



The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to
enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul
multi-technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator=E2=80=99s interconnection with optical transport =
network
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,
virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain
controls and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use
case.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and
data models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding
languages and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).



The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary.
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop
the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while
interacting with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where
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e-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:1=
50%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I rev=
iewed the charter and find it good.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-h=
eight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black=
">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I have 2 comments</span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line=
-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:bla=
ck">Comment 1:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family=
:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">In 5<sup>th</sup> pa=
ragraph</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">YOUNG&gt;&gt;=E2=80=9CIt wi=
ll identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among =
these components.=C2=A0=E2=80=9C</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:black"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:1=
50%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">WAUTERS</span><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&gt;&gt;=E2=80=9CIt w=
ill identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among=
 these components. Key components can be future building block or legacy=C2=
=A0components existing today=E2=80=9C</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:black"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;f=
ont-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Comment 2:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:black">I don=E2=80=99t have a lot of experience with writing charters=
, but instead of =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 will work on =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D isn=E2=
=80=99t the objective to come to conclusions or aim clear recommendations ?=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Note that my experience with IETF =
is not large enough to know whether what I state here makes sense.</span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line=
-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:bla=
ck">YOUNG&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=E2=80=9CHigh-level architecture that describes the=
 basic building blocks to enable transport network virtualization to suppor=
t use cases.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&=
quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">WAUTERS&gt;&gt; =E2=80=
=9C<b>Propose</b> <b>a </b>high-level architecture =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:black">YOUNG&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=E2=80=9CEvaluation of Information model/=
data model to support the use cases.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-h=
eight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black=
">WAUTERS&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=E2=80=9CEvaluate <b>and agree</b> on Information m=
odel/data model to support the use cases.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt;line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-heigh=
t:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">YO=
UNG&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=E2=80=9CRequirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding=
 languages, and data models</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-=
height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150=
%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">WAUTERS=
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=E2=80=9C<b>Collect</b> requirements to support APIs/protoco=
ls, encoding languages, and data models</span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagr=
aph" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:15=
0%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">YOUNG&gt;&gt;Gap=
 analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languages and data=
 models to fulfill the requirements. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-=
height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:blac=
k">WAUTERS&gt;&gt;<b>Perform</b> gap analysis of existing IETF and other pr=
otocols, encoding languages and data models to fulfill the requirements. </=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">YOUNG&gt;&gt; =E2=80=9CProtocol extensions (if necessary after r=
e-chartering).</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family=
:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">WAUTERS&gt;&gt; =E2=
=80=9C<b>Propose</b> protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering)=
.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1f4=
97d">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"=
color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB=
" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Nico</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p><div><div sty=
le=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dhody [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.dhody@hu=
awei.com">dhruv.dhody@huawei.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> vrijdag 12 september=
 2014 4:33<br><b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ie=
tf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span></p></div>=
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:#003300">Hi Young, </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00=
3300">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Plea=
se see inline.. </span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue=
 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;=
border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;T=
ahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;"> Dhruv Dhody <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br=
><b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.=
org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span></p></div></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young, </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed charter.</span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Can=
dara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter a=
lso to specify what we consider as Transport networks? </span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. Do =
you have any suggestion? =C2=A0One definition from the Problem Statement dr=
aft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem-st=
atement/</a>) is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">T=
ransport networks are defined as network infrastructure that</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They</=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0 are characterized by their ability to support server l=
ayer </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0provisioning and traffic engineering for c=
lient layer services, </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autos=
pace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0such that resource guaran=
tees may be provided to their customers.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Transport ne=
tworks in this document refer to a set of different</span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0 t=
ype of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-</span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-</span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies tha=
t at </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0least the following transport networks are=
 in scope of the</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:n=
one"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0 discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L=
1) optical networks (e.g., </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-=
autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Optical Transport Ne=
tworks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Ne=
tworks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging</span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.</span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"=
>=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:#003300">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-=
autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good wi=
th Eve suggestion and removing =E2=80=98in the document=E2=80=99/=E2=80=99o=
f this draft=E2=80=99. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9=
93366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=
=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =E2=80=
=9CTransport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Facilitate separation o=
f data plane and control plane, </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#993366">-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Allow for distributed or centralized signaling=
=C2=A0 for path setup and protection, and </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#993366">-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Provide traffic engineering mechanism =
via centralized path computation.=E2=80=9D</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#993366">Term =E2=80=98centralized signaling=E2=80=99 is confusing t=
o me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#=
993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the second point: =E2=80=9CAllow f=
or distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up=
=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv=
]: That works! </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=
=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =E2=80=
=9CThe architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers.=E2=80=9D </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add =E2=80=9Cmulti-domain coordina=
tor=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cvirtual network controller=E2=80=9D to explicitl=
y link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn=E2=80=99=
t convey the intention to have different customer controllers for each tena=
nt, how about=E2=80=A6</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#99=
3366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=E2=
=80=9CThe architecture work will lead to requirements for information model=
s and protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded =
in a multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers =
and between the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer con=
trollers.=E2=80=9D </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#99336=
6">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; This sounds good to me. Thanks. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:#993366">* =E2=80=9CThe working group will determine if new protocol =
extensions are necessary. If the working group determines they are necessar=
y, then it will develop the new protocols within the working group where ne=
cessary, while interacting with other working groups to enhance existing pr=
otocols where possible.=E2=80=9D</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#99=
3366">Suggest to re-word this as it=E2=80=99s not clear =E2=80=93 is it abo=
ut extension to existing protocols or new protocol and where that work migh=
t be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after r=
e-chartering. =C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&=
gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, =E2=80=9CAC=
TN=E2=80=9D protocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocol=
s. But there may be some areas where we need to expand from existing protoc=
ols. In such case, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps =
an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for speci=
fic technologies while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes=
. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">=C2=A0</span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
andara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we re=
word this to =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CThe working group will determine if new pro=
tocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the working gro=
up determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within=
 the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols =
would be done=C2=A0 with interactions with other working groups where possi=
ble.=E2=80=9D</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=
=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:#993366">* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC te=
xt format taking care of word-wraps and indentation</span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;=
&gt; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me. </span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"=
>[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the=
 data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better. =C2=A0</span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#=
003300">This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve. </span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00=
3300">Regards,</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0=
pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the charter text cris=
p. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;=
Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitel=
y. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments. </span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:#993366">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993=
366">=C2=A0</span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5p=
t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:soli=
d #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br><b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br><b>To:<=
/b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subj=
ect:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this emai=
l. Here=E2=80=99s a retransmission with the subject.</span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p><d=
iv><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0=
cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</spa=
n></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Taho=
ma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, Septem=
ber 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ie=
tf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> </span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">Hi,</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I hope your summer brea=
k was a good one. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We=E2=80=99d l=
ike to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going to re=
quest a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a charter=
 draft as part of the due diligence. Here=E2=80=99s an initial charter draf=
t developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discuss=
ions and use-cases and other published documents. =C2=A0We hope this captur=
es a workable ACTN scope. =C2=A0This version 1.0 draft charter is also post=
ed in the wiki: <a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/chart=
er-propor">https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a> </=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Your review and comment will be grea=
tly appreciated to come up with a good charter developed by the community o=
f interest. =C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Young (on behalf of t=
he proponents) </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-----------------=
--------------draft charter 1.0 -------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------------------------------</span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family=
:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style>-<span style=3D"font=
:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </=
span></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-heig=
ht:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate se=
paration of data plane and control plane, </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:black"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=
=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"><span style>-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distributed or centralized signaling=C2=
=A0 for path setup and protection, and </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:black"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D=
"line-height:150%;background:white"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style>-<span style=3D"fo=
nt:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
</span></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide tra=
ffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computation. </span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:wh=
ite"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling fl=
exible and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery of resour=
ces. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies provide signif=
icant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do not meet th=
e growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-domain transpo=
rt networks. More and more network operators are building and operating on =
multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collections of links and no=
des) may be each of a different technology, administrative zones, or vendor=
-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connections spanning multipl=
e domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of both operational =
concerns (control plane and management plane) and interoperability issues (=
control plane and data plane).=C2=A0 Due to these issues, new services that=
 require connections that traverse multiple domains need significant planni=
ng and often manual operations to interface different vendor equipment and =
technology. </span></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:1=
50%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Trans=
port Networks (ACTN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operati=
on: the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view an=
d control multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abs=
traction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their n=
etwork services into multi-tenant virtual transport networks. This will ena=
ble rapid service deployment of new dynamic and elastic services, and will =
improve overall network operations and scaling of existing services. Discus=
sion with operators has also highlighted a need for virtual network operati=
on based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a =
control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each doma=
in controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for =
abstracting network resource information to provide virtual network control=
 functions. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-=
domain network coordinator to support various services/clients/applications=
 to create and manage their own virtual networks that share the common tran=
sport network resources. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-he=
ight:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;=
font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work t=
o develop a high-level architecture for transport network abstraction and c=
ontrol that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi=
-tenant customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to=
 a network operator), the virtual network control and the physical network =
domain controls as well as a horizontal E2E service coordination across mul=
ti-domain networks. It will identify key building components and the corres=
ponding interfaces among these components.=C2=A0 The architecture work will=
 lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:1=
50%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"> requ=
irements for information models and protocol extensions between the virtual=
 network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span><span=
 lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</spa=
n><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-heig=
ht:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">v=
irtual network controller </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
>and multi-tenant customer controllers</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">. </span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pers=
pective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are c=
ritical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of the wor=
king group.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following items:=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style>-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></=
span></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">High-lev=
el architecture that describes the basic building blocks to enable transpor=
t network virtualization to support use cases.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoLis=
tParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"><span style>-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-=
GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Operator-driven use cases to address =
the following initial items:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=
=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck"><span style>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport P=
acket Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON) </span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;line-height:150%"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&qu=
ot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style>o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &q=
uot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
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Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.


BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized=
 signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS =
based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A netw=
ork implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other
 similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sur=
e whether we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In=
 the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision conne=
ctivity (whatever protocol is used). In
 the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is somet=
hing else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example=
 that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multi=
odomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centr=
alized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distrib=
uted (controllers speaking MP-BGP
 with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordi=
nator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controll=
er B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing doma=
ins A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
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Good catch Eve,

Could we include also segment routing into the list of connection oriented =
technologies? I don't know whether it could be considered as part of the MP=
LS-TE or not (don't think so).

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Varma, Eve L (Eve)
Sent: gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09
To: Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good catch Eve,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Could we include also =
segment routing into the list of connection oriented technologies? I don&#8=
217;t know whether it could be considered as part of the MPLS-TE or not (do=
n&#8217;t think so).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Varma, Eve L (Eve)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick terminology comme=
nt - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is both L1 and L0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I would suggest to reword as &#822=
0;This implies that at least the following transport networks are in
 scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optic=
al networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other e=
merging network technologies with connection-oriented behavior&#8221;.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."



2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized=
 signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS =
based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A netw=
ork implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other
 similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sur=
e whether we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In=
 the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision conne=
ctivity (whatever protocol is used). In
 the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is somet=
hing else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example=
 that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; The inte=
ntion here was giving some overview of the tools that current transport net=
works have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiatives lik=
e OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These op=
tions seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture docum=
ent should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architecture=
s need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multi=
odomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centr=
alized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distrib=
uted (controllers speaking MP-BGP
 with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordi=
nator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controll=
er B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing doma=
ins A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><a name=3D"_GoBack"></a><=
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Reposting my architecture considerations and Young's replies in a dedicated=
 thread.




1.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.
[[DanCe]] Agree. Let's keep track of both of them.


2.      Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft=
 saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exch=
ange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) whi=
le provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller=
 A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pat=
h within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE =
like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?
[[DanCe]] The scenarios that come to my mind are more "horizontal". I would=
 say the either the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains  =
(in case of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets the information =
from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other controllers "on be=
half of their domains"

BR
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
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ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D"c=
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o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These option=
s seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture document =
should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architectures ne=
ed to be considered as a starting point. There
 may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseli=
ne architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] Agree. Let&#=
8217;s keep track of both of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multi=
domain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centra=
lized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distribu=
ted (controllers speaking MP-BGP with
 each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator=
 asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B =
to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A=
 and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] The scenario=
s that come to my mind are more &#8220;horizontal&#8221;. I would say the e=
ither the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains&nbsp; (in c=
ase of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets
 the information from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other c=
ontrollers &#8220;on behalf of their domains&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.     On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized =
signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limited=
 to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoco=
l should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can speak=
 about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we us=
e the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever prot=
ocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management =
plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the o=
nly example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be con=
sidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.     On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage m=
ulti-domain? I see two ways:

a.     A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationship=
 between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a =
coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.     A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator o=
f physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PN=
Cs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PNC=
 coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.     Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft=
 saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exch=
ange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) whi=
le provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller=
 A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pat=
h within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE =
like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-        Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-        Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and=
 protection, and

-        Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computa=
tion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-        High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks t=
o enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-        Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-        Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use case=
s.

-        Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and da=
ta models

-        Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding langua=
ges and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-        Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for char=
ter discussion while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As=
 a few folks are already working on the architecture
 document, we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while=
 developing the draft.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please =
see inline for my response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccare=
lli@ericsson.com">mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, =
Young,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excelle=
nt progresses!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me =
just add some notes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217=
;m collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread i=
s becoming pretty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signal=
ing means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited=
 to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open
 Flow or any other similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here=
 I&#8217;m not sure whether we can speak about centralized signaling in bot=
h cases or not. In the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamical=
ly provision connectivity (whatever protocol
 is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plan=
e or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the=
 only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be c=
onsidered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curren=
t transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other =
initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling
 in a research circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps =
good compromise would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restati=
ng like:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signa=
ling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.=
&#8221;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I ha=
ve still problems with this definition. In my view when you think about to =
an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is providing com=
mand towards managed equipment functions
 that are virtualized in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resou=
rce reservation&#8221; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with=
 normal signaling protocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management proto=
col .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">There is no=
 signaling in my view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">Another cas=
e is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a di=
stributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But ag=
ain , it is not a centralized signaling
 , signaling is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is=
 centralized in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">So I would =
suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized and change t=
he sentence into:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or centralized =
model (e.g.an NMS-based) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-d=
omain? I see two ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span sty=
le=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>A coordinator of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship=
 between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a =
coordinator of virtual network controllers
 on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span sty=
le=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>A coordinator of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator o=
f physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PN=
Cs) with a virtual network controller on top?
 (1:1 relationship between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, m=
aybe pick one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming arc=
hitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that bo=
th architectures need to be considered as a
 starting point. There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scop=
e as an initial baseline architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft sayin=
g what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange c=
ould be distributed (controllers speaking
 MP-BGP with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the=
 coordinator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks c=
ontroller B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossi=
ng domains A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these=
 dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One ques=
tion I have: are you assuming the coordinator
 also speaks MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coor=
dinator need to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the co=
ordinator and each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a c=
entralized component?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dhody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments o=
n the proposed charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in c=
harter also to specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clar=
ify the scope. Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Pr=
oblem Statement draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-le=
eking-actn-problem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeki=
ng-actn-problem-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">T=
ransport networks are defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; are characterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer serv=
ices,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such that resource guarantees may be provided to their cus=
tomers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;least the following transport networks are in scope of the=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched O=
ptical
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerg=
ing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0">[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;=
in the document&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks=
 have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized sig=
naling&#8217; is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can r=
eword the second point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-ba=
sed centralized signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">-=
---------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture w=
ork will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extension=
s between the virtual network controller and the physical network
 domain controllers and between the virtual network controller and multi-te=
nant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8=
220;multi-domain coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&=
#8221; to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer control=
lers doesn&#8217;t
 convey the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenan=
t, how about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture wor=
k will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extensions =
between the virtual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain
 coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and between the v=
irtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds g=
ood to me. Thanks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group =
will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working gro=
up determines they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols
 within the working group where necessary, while interacting with other wor=
king groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as =
it&#8217;s not clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or=
 new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensio=
ns
 is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol =
extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per =
se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some =
areas
 where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to =
interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP=
 WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG=
 needs to be informed of the protocol
 changes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we rewor=
d this to &#8211; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol o=
r extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the working group
 determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within t=
he working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols wo=
uld be done&nbsp; with interactions with other working groups where possibl=
e.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking =
care of word-wraps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to =
the data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
 &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful i=
n making the charter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. T=
hanks a lot for your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, =
I forgot the Subject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the =
subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I hope your summer break was a =
good one. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We&#8217;d like to give you som=
e updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF =
in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of t=
he due diligence. Here&#8217;s an initial charter
 draft developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the di=
scussions and use-cases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this c=
aptures a workable ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also=
 posted in the wiki:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Your review and comment will be=
 greatly appreciated to come up with a good charter developed by the commun=
ity of interest. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Young (on behalf of the propone=
nts) <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-------------------------------=
draft charter 1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mec=
hanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">F=
acilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">A=
llow for distributed or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and prot=
ection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">P=
rovide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for ena=
bling flexible and dynamic networking, and efficient control
 and recovery of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these tech=
nologies provide significant benefits within a single domain control bounda=
ry, they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization =
in multi-domain transport networks.
 More and more network operators are building and operating on multi-domain=
 transport networks. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be =
each of a different technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific is=
lands. Establishment of end-to-end
 connections spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators=
 because of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) =
and interoperability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to th=
ese issues, new services that require
 connections that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and o=
ften manual operations to interface different vendor equipment and technolo=
gy.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transpo=
rt Networks (ACTN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network
 operation: the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to=
 view and control multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain netwo=
rks. Abstraction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate=
 their network services into multi-tenant
 virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of n=
ew dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operation=
s and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also high=
lighted a need for virtual network
 operation based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor dom=
ains.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in=
 ACTN is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator
 interacts with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control pl=
ane, SDN controller) for abstracting network resource information to provid=
e virtual network control functions. This virtual network control functions=
 are embedded in a multi-domain
 network coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to cr=
eate and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport =
network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develo=
p a high-level architecture for transport network abstraction
 and control that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across=
 multi-tenant customers (primarily internal service organizations with resp=
ect to a network operator), the virtual network control and the physical ne=
twork domain controls as well as
 a horizontal E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It wil=
l identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among t=
hese components.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer=
 controllers</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases fr=
om operators perspective with clearly stated need for transport network vir=
tualization are critical in scoping the work and thus to
 achieve the deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D=
"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing a RFC text format of the charter. Now I understood wha=
t you meant in the previous email.

Please see inline for my comment.

Thanks,
Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:33 PM
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.

YOUNG>> Oh yes.

* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!

YOUNG>> As discussed with Daniele, I proposed "Allow for distributed signal=
ing or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up...." Wou=
ld this work for you?

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"


Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

YOUNG>> This is clearer to me. With some punctuation change, how about: "Th=
e working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to existing pr=
otocols are necessary. If the working group determines they are necessary, =
then it will develop new protocols within the working group; on the other h=
and, any extensions to existing protocols would be done with interactions w=
ith other working groups where possible."


* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
YOUNG>> Agree.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
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Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing a=
 RFC text format of the charter. Now I understood what you meant in the pre=
vious email.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Oh yes. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:#00B050">YOUNG&gt;&gt; As di=
scussed with Daniele, I proposed &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or =
centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221; =
Would this work for you?
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:#00B050">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This =
is clearer to me. With some punctuation change, how about:
</span></b><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:#00B050">&#8220;The working group will determine if new prot=
ocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the working grou=
p determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocols
 within the working group; on the other hand, any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done with interactions with other working groups where pos=
sible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:#00B050"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"col=
or:#00B050">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Agree.
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
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Good proposal Sergio, I like it.

BR
Daniele

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:34
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good proposal Sergio, =
I like it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI,=
 SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Young, Daniele<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see in line .<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized=
 signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS =
based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A netw=
ork implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other
 similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sur=
e whether we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In=
 the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision conne=
ctivity (whatever protocol is used). In
 the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is somet=
hing else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example=
 that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; The inte=
ntion here was giving some overview of the tools that current transport net=
works have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiatives lik=
e OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I have still proble=
ms with this definition. In my view when you think about to an NMS based pa=
th setup, I have a centralized station that is providing command towards ma=
naged equipment functions that are virtualized
 in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resource reservation&#8221=
; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with normal signaling pro=
tocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management protocol .<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in m=
y view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These op=
tions seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture docum=
ent should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architecture=
s need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multi=
odomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centr=
alized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distrib=
uted (controllers speaking MP-BGP
 with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordi=
nator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controll=
er B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing doma=
ins A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
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n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
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Hi Daniele,

I think Segment Routing is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks=
, but not sure if it in itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From =
a signaling standpoint, it may be regarded as a derivative of MPLS-TE. Plea=
se correct if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Good catch Eve,

Could we include also segment routing into the list of connection oriented =
technologies? I don't know whether it could be considered as part of the MP=
LS-TE or not (don't think so).

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Varma, Eve L (Eve)
Sent: gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09
To: Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think Segment Routin=
g is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks, but not sure if it i=
n itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From a signaling standpoint=
, it may be regarded as a derivative
 of MPLS-TE. Please correct if I am wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good catch Eve,</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Could we include also =
segment routing into the list of connection oriented technologies? I don&#8=
217;t know whether it could be considered as part of the MPLS-TE or not (do=
n&#8217;t think so).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Varma, Eve L (Eve)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick terminology comme=
nt - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is both L1 and L0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I would suggest to reword as &#822=
0;This implies that at least the following transport networks are in
 scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optic=
al networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other e=
merging network technologies with connection-oriented behavior&#8221;.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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Hi Sergio,

I am OK with your suggested wording. Thanks.

Young

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio, <o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am OK with your sugg=
ested wording. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI,=
 SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Young, Daniele<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see in line .<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized=
 signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS =
based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A netw=
ork implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other
 similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sur=
e whether we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In=
 the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision conne=
ctivity (whatever protocol is used). In
 the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is somet=
hing else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example=
 that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; The inte=
ntion here was giving some overview of the tools that current transport net=
works have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiatives lik=
e OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I have still proble=
ms with this definition. In my view when you think about to an NMS based pa=
th setup, I have a centralized station that is providing command towards ma=
naged equipment functions that are virtualized
 in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resource reservation&#8221=
; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with normal signaling pro=
tocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management protocol .<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in m=
y view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These op=
tions seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture docum=
ent should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architecture=
s need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multi=
odomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centr=
alized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distrib=
uted (controllers speaking MP-BGP
 with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordi=
nator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controll=
er B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing doma=
ins A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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Hi Danielle,

Thanks for the response. I looked into both of those efforts and I don't
see much related to bridging roots of trust across control domains. We are
creating the type of documentation you mention as part of the testbed
effort so I should be able to submit those once completed.

Thanks again.


Best,

Michael Mossbarger
Executive Director
*ENT Foundation*

*Resilient. Global. Identity.mike@ent.net <mike@ent.net>*
www.ENT.net
619-794-6677 Mobile
<mike@ent.net>


On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli <
daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote:

>  Hi Mike,
>
>
>
> Glad to hear there are always new use cases related to ACTN. It seems you=
r
> use case is something similar to security issues that have been addressed
> in the past by the PCE and CCAMP WGs when speaking about connectivity
> between PCEs from different vendors/operators or e.g. multi domain
> signaling/routing.
>
>
>
> Maybe the issue can be solved with some pointer or references to existing
> work or maybe it will need a dedicated effort from the ACTN community, bu=
t
> in any case it is worth having it noted down and tracked. My suggestion i=
s
> to write a draft with you use cases, specifying the issues to be addresse=
d
> and possibly an evaluation of existing mechanisms or contact the authors =
of
> an existing draft to ask to include it in an existing document.
>
>
>
> BR
> Daniele
>
>
>
> *From:* ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Mossbarge=
r
> *Sent:* gioved=C3=AC 11 settembre 2014 18:34
> *To:* actn@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [Actn] Joining the group
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am new to this conversation and was thrilled to find it so directly in
> line with work that I am currently involved in at the Industrial Internet
> Consortium. We have a use case on Connectivity that many of us are keen t=
o
> move towards a testbed - the problem is complex.
>
> One key factor that must be addressed are roots of trust used for
> credentialing systems across these different domains. Abstraction in a
> standard way can be achieved (with some work) but quantifying 'trust'
> across domain boundaries requires common roots of trust so that
> cryptographic substantiation of identity is uniform. There is work along
> the lines of Roots of Trust for Cyber-Physical Systems going on at the
> Cyber Security Research Alliance although their work is focused on PKI, a
> cryptosystem that can't support cross-domain trust.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Michael Mossbarger
> Executive Director
> *ENT Foundation*
>
>
> *Resilient. Global. Identity. mike@ent.net <mike@ent.net>*
>
>
> www.ENT.net
> 619-794-6677 Mobile
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif">Hi Danielle,<br><br>Thanks for the response. I looked into both=
 of those efforts and I don&#39;t see much related to bridging roots of tru=
st across control domains. We are creating the type of documentation you me=
ntion as part of the testbed effort so I should be able to submit those onc=
e completed.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks again.<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family:verdan=
a,sans-serif">
</span><div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div=
><div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best,<br></span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">=C2=A0<br></span></div>=
<span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
</span><div><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font>Michael Mo=
ssbarger</font><br>Executive Director<br><span style=3D"color:rgb(56,118,29=
)"><b>ENT Foundation</b></span><br><span style=3D"color:rgb(102,102,102)"><=
/span></span><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(102,102,102)"><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(102,102,102)"><b><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Resilient. <span sty=
le=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(102,102,102)=
"><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(102,102,102)"><b><span style=3D"font-family:v=
erdana,sans-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(102,102,102)"><b><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(102,102,102)"><b>Global. </b></span></b></span></span></b></span=
></b></span></span>Identity.<br><a href=3D"mailto:mike@ent.net" target=3D"_=
blank">mike@ent.net</a></div></b></span></b></span><br><a href=3D"http://ww=
w.ENT.net" target=3D"_blank">www.ENT.net</a><br>619-794-6677 Mobile<br><a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mike@ent.net" target=3D"_blank"></a></span></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Daniele=
 Ceccarelli <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@eric=
sson.com" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hi Mike,<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Glad to hear there are al=
ways new use cases related to ACTN. It seems your use case is something sim=
ilar to security issues that have been addressed in the
 past by the PCE and CCAMP WGs when speaking about connectivity between PCE=
s from different vendors/operators or e.g. multi domain signaling/routing.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Maybe the issue can be so=
lved with some pointer or references to existing work or maybe it will need=
 a dedicated effort from the ACTN community, but in any
 case it is worth having it noted down and tracked. My suggestion is to wri=
te a draft with you use cases, specifying the issues to be addressed and po=
ssibly an evaluation of existing mechanisms or contact the authors of an ex=
isting draft to ask to include it
 in an existing document.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">BR<br>
Daniele<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">actn-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Mossbarger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> gioved=C3=AC 11 settembre 2014 18:34<span class=3D""><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">actn@ietf.org=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] Joining the group<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Hello All,<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I am new to this conversa=
tion and was thrilled to find it so directly in line with work that I am cu=
rrently involved in at the Industrial Internet Consortium.
 We have a use case on Connectivity that many of us are keen to move toward=
s a testbed - the problem is complex.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">One key factor that must be addressed are roots of trust=
 used for credentialing systems across these different domains. Abstraction=
 in a standard way can be achieved (with some work) but
 quantifying &#39;trust&#39; across domain boundaries requires common roots=
 of trust so that cryptographic substantiation of identity is uniform. Ther=
e is work along the lines of Roots of Trust for Cyber-Physical Systems goin=
g on at the Cyber Security Research Alliance
 although their work is focused on PKI, a cryptosystem that can&#39;t suppo=
rt cross-domain trust.<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">Michael Mossbarger<br>
Executive Director<br>
<b><span style=3D"color:#38761d">ENT Foundation</span><span style=3D"color:=
#666666"><u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#666666">Resilient. Global. Identity.<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:mike@ent.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@ent.net</a><u></u><u=
></u></span></b></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ENT.net" target=3D"_blank">www.ENT.net</a><br>
619-794-6677 Mobile</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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From: Luyuan Fang <lufang@microsoft.com>
To: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>, "Varma, Eve L (Eve)" <eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com>, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>, "actn@ietf.org" <actn@ietf.org>
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I would not categorize segment routing as connection oriented in general.
It can use IGP to distribute labels instead of LDP, RSVP, or BGP. In that c=
ase, the packet simply follows IGP routes.
When supporting TE, it may be considered as derivative or sub-set of MPLS-T=
E. It is not fully defined yet.
I'd say to leave it out for now.

Thanks,
Luyuan

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:01 PM
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

I think Segment Routing is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks=
, but not sure if it in itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From =
a signaling standpoint, it may be regarded as a derivative of MPLS-TE. Plea=
se correct if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ie=
tf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Good catch Eve,

Could we include also segment routing into the list of connection oriented =
technologies? I don't know whether it could be considered as part of the MP=
LS-TE or not (don't think so).

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Varma, Eve L (Eve)
Sent: gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09
To: Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-        Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-        Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and=
 protection, and

-        Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computa=
tion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-        High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks t=
o enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-        Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-        Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use case=
s.

-        Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and da=
ta models

-        Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding langua=
ges and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-        Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I would not categorize=
 segment routing as connection oriented in general.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">It can use IGP to dist=
ribute labels instead of LDP, RSVP, or BGP. In that case, the packet simply=
 follows IGP routes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">When supporting TE, it=
 may be considered as derivative or sub-set of MPLS-TE. It is not fully def=
ined yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;d say to leave=
 it out for now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Luyuan<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"color:#1F=
497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] <b>=
On Behalf Of
</b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.o=
rg<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think Segment Routin=
g is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks, but not sure if it i=
n itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From a signaling standpoint=
, it may be regarded as a derivative
 of MPLS-TE. Please correct if I am wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:act=
n@ietf.org">
actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good catch Eve,</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Could we include also =
segment routing into the list of connection oriented technologies? I don&#8=
217;t know whether it could be considered as part of the MPLS-TE or not (do=
n&#8217;t think so).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Varma, Eve L (Eve)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick terminology comme=
nt - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is both L1 and L0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I would suggest to reword as &#822=
0;This implies that at least the following transport networks are in
 scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optic=
al networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other e=
merging network technologies with connection-oriented behavior&#8221;.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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Hi,

We have had pretty good discussions on ACTN charter 1.0. Thanks to all who =
provided good comments and suggestions.

At the close of the week, I had chance to update the charter (v1.1) based o=
n agree-upon discussion points (there are still some unresolved points).
Here's the output. Please refer to this version for any subsequent discussi=
ons. Also attached is the Word document that shows the diff marks. I may ha=
ve missed some points you raised. Please raise them again if that is the ca=
se.

Thanks & have a good weekend!

Young

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:01 PM
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

I think Segment Routing is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks=
, but not sure if it in itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From =
a signaling standpoint, it may be regarded as a derivative of MPLS-TE. Plea=
se correct if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Good catch Eve,

Could we include also segment routing into the list of connection oriented =
technologies? I don't know whether it could be considered as part of the MP=
LS-TE or not (don't think so).

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Varma, Eve L (Eve)
Sent: gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09
To: Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We have had pretty goo=
d discussions on ACTN charter 1.0. Thanks to all who provided good comments=
 and suggestions.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">At the close of the we=
ek, I had chance to update the charter (v1.1) based on agree-upon discussio=
n points (there are still some unresolved points). &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Here&#8217;s the outpu=
t. Please refer to this version for any subsequent discussions. Also attach=
ed is the Word document that shows the diff marks. I may have missed some p=
oints you raised. Please raise them again
 if that is the case. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks &amp; have a go=
od weekend!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 2:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.o=
rg<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think Segment Routin=
g is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks, but not sure if it i=
n itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From a signaling standpoint=
, it may be regarded as a derivative
 of MPLS-TE. Please correct if I am wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good catch Eve,</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Could we include also =
segment routing into the list of connection oriented technologies? I don&#8=
217;t know whether it could be considered as part of the MPLS-TE or not (do=
n&#8217;t think so).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Varma, Eve L (Eve)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick terminology comme=
nt - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is both L1 and L0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I would suggest to reword as &#822=
0;This implies that at least the following transport networks are in
 scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optic=
al networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other e=
merging network technologies with connection-oriented behavior&#8221;.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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Hi Luyuan,

Good point. Thanks.

Young

From: Luyuan Fang [mailto:lufang@microsoft.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Leeyoung; Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@iet=
f.org
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

I would not categorize segment routing as connection oriented in general.
It can use IGP to distribute labels instead of LDP, RSVP, or BGP. In that c=
ase, the packet simply follows IGP routes.
When supporting TE, it may be considered as derivative or sub-set of MPLS-T=
E. It is not fully defined yet.
I'd say to leave it out for now.

Thanks,
Luyuan

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:01 PM
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

I think Segment Routing is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks=
, but not sure if it in itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From =
a signaling standpoint, it may be regarded as a derivative of MPLS-TE. Plea=
se correct if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ie=
tf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Good catch Eve,

Could we include also segment routing into the list of connection oriented =
technologies? I don't know whether it could be considered as part of the MP=
LS-TE or not (don't think so).

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Varma, Eve L (Eve)
Sent: gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09
To: Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-        Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-        Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and=
 protection, and

-        Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computa=
tion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-        High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks t=
o enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-        Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-        Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use case=
s.

-        Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and da=
ta models

-        Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding langua=
ges and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-        Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Luyuan F=
ang [mailto:lufang@microsoft.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; a=
ctn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I would not categorize=
 segment routing as connection oriented in general.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">It can use IGP to dist=
ribute labels instead of LDP, RSVP, or BGP. In that case, the packet simply=
 follows IGP routes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">When supporting TE, it=
 may be considered as derivative or sub-set of MPLS-TE. It is not fully def=
ined yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;d say to leave=
 it out for now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Luyuan<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"></a><span style=3D"color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] <b>=
On Behalf Of
</b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.o=
rg<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think Segment Routin=
g is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks, but not sure if it i=
n itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From a signaling standpoint=
, it may be regarded as a derivative
 of MPLS-TE. Please correct if I am wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:act=
n@ietf.org">
actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good catch Eve,</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Could we include also =
segment routing into the list of connection oriented technologies? I don&#8=
217;t know whether it could be considered as part of the MPLS-TE or not (do=
n&#8217;t think so).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Varma, Eve L (Eve)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick terminology comme=
nt - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is both L1 and L0
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I would suggest to reword as &#822=
0;This implies that at least the following transport networks are in
 scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optic=
al networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other e=
merging network technologies with connection-oriented behavior&#8221;.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
mbria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our valuable comment.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response. Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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4.0pt">
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
background:white">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times N=
ew Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separation of data plane and =
control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
background:white">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times N=
ew Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distributed or centralized sig=
naling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
background:white">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times N=
ew Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic engineering mechanism vi=
a centralized path computation.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">High-level ar=
chitecture that describes the basic building blocks to enable transport net=
work virtualization to support use cases.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Operator-driv=
en use cases to address the following initial items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">o</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Virtual netwo=
rk control and operation for core transport Packet Optical Integration (POI=
). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">o</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Virtual netwo=
rk control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technology transport (e.=
g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">o</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Data Center O=
perator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transport network infrastructu=
re providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">o</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Multi-tenant =
support to allow virtual network information query, virtual network negotia=
tion, creation/deletion and modification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">o</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Synchronizati=
on of network resources view across physical domain controls and virtual ne=
twork control.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">o</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&q=
uot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dynamic service control and =
monitoring across all entities.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Evaluation of=
 Information model/data model to support the use cases.</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Requirements =
to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and data models</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Gap analysis =
of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languages and data models to=
 fulfill the requirements.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%"=
><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">-</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Protocol exte=
nsions (if necessary after re-chartering).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><a name=3D"_GoBack"></a><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi Sergio,

Regarding your comment,
"There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."
"

Today with e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, servi=
ce provisioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all=
 network elements vertically and in parallel. This is IMHO one form of cent=
ralized signaling.

Service provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not includ=
e service related information in the management protocols. Hence I still se=
e a difference between NMS based and centralized signaling. Would it be wor=
th to reflect the difference in the wording with something like this: ?

"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or =
centralized signaling) for set up...."

Thanks.
Aihua

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

I am OK with your suggested wording. Thanks.

Young

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optica=
l Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-techno=
logy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o    Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network =
infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtu=
al network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contr=
ols and virtual network control.

o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio,<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regarding your comment=
, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8220;</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in my view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8221;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Today with e.g. PCEP e=
xtensions carrying service related information, service provisioning reques=
ts may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements vert=
ically and in parallel. This is IMHO
 one form of centralized signaling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Service provisioning c=
an be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not include service related info=
rmation in the management protocols. Hence I still see a difference between=
 NMS based and centralized signaling.
 Would it be worth to reflect the difference in the wording with something =
like this: ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or ce=
ntralized signaling) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span style=3D"color:r=
ed"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio, <o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am OK with your sugg=
ested wording. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI,=
 SERGIO (SERGIO) [<a href=3D"mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com">mail=
to:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Young, Daniele<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see in line .<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized=
 signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS =
based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A netw=
ork implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other
 similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sur=
e whether we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In=
 the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision conne=
ctivity (whatever protocol is used). In
 the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is somet=
hing else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example=
 that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; The inte=
ntion here was giving some overview of the tools that current transport net=
works have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiatives lik=
e OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I have still proble=
ms with this definition. In my view when you think about to an NMS based pa=
th setup, I have a centralized station that is providing command towards ma=
naged equipment functions that are virtualized
 in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resource reservation&#8221=
; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with normal signaling pro=
tocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management protocol .<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in m=
y view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These op=
tions seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture docum=
ent should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architecture=
s need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multi=
odomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centr=
alized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distrib=
uted (controllers speaking MP-BGP
 with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordi=
nator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controll=
er B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing doma=
ins A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
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mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignor=
e">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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Hi Young, all,

This sure is an active list and it is a bit hard to jump to the discussion!
I read charter v1.1 and the discussions followed on the changes. Here are
some early comments:

- The current version appears to trying to do both (1) imposing an
architecture and (2) leaving architecture to the architecture document. For
example, I see multiple types of controllers (physical controller for a
domain, coordinator for physical controllers, tenant controller for a
tenant, ...). I also already see how they may interact (e.g., the hierarchy
paragraph). Some email discussion start to touch on this issue. My
preference is that it is better to leave the architecture as much as
possible to the architecture document, to avoid confusion, because there
are so many possibilities (e.g., a controller might be represented by two
functions, one for abstraction, one for control), unless the mailing list
can reach some agreement soon.

- In the document, the word "abstraction" is a keyword, and it is different
from "control", which is the other keyword. I am fine with keeping the
meaning of abstraction somehow vague, but it may become confusing when
there is too much overloading. For example, according to this sentence,
"the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and
control multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks",
abstraction is similar to "view". Then, the following sentence "Abstraction
of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their network
services into multi-tenant virtual transport networks." appears to assign
abstraction a much stronger meaning. I would suggest revision to keep the
meaning of the keywords simple.

- The charter uses the word "virtualized" quite a few times. I found that
they appear to have different meanings. For example, in this sentence,
"Well-defined use cases from operators perspective with
clearly stated need for transport network virtualization", does
"virtualization" mean abstraction? For this sentence, "a centralized
virtual network operation", I cannot fully understand the meaning of the
word "virtual". For this sentence, "Multi-tenant support to allow virtual
network information query", it appears that virtual means an overlay
network, right?

- Increasingly, "abstraction" in networking appears to mean (declarative)
information model/data models, and this is what I read from this document
as well. But abstraction can mean a lot more. A good starting point is the
wiki doc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction_(computer_science)). I
hope that the charter can be stated slightly more broadly (e.g., by stating
that the WG will document the challenges of abstracting complex behaviors
of transport networks, and identify potential related techniques).

Richard



On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com> wrote:

>  Hi Daniele,
>
>
>
> Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is
> for charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture
> discussion. As a few folks are already working on the architecture
> document, we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion whil=
e
> developing the draft.
>
>
>
> Please see inline for my response.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Young
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
> *To:* Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: ACTN charter v1.0
>
>
>
> Dhruv, Young,
>
>
>
> Excellent progresses!
>
> Let me just add some notes/questions.
>
> I=E2=80=99m collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the who=
le thread
> is becoming pretty complex.
>
>
>
> 1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what
> centralized signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it=
=E2=80=99s
> not limited to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other
> similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I=E2=80=99m not =
sure
> whether we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In
> the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision
> connectivity (whatever protocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow c=
an
> we speak about management plane or is something else? Please note that I
> speak about OF as it=E2=80=99s the only example that comes to my mind but=
 any other
> possibility can/must be considered.
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that
> current transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing wit=
h
> other initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circ=
le
> that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise woul=
d
> be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:
>
>
>
> Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an
> NMS-based, etc.) for set up=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
>
>
> 2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to
> manage multi-domain? I see two ways:
>
> a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers =E2=80=93 i.e. 1:1
> relationship between virtual network controller and physical network
> controller plus a coordinator of virtual network controllers on top
>
> b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers =E2=80=93 i.e. a
> coordinator of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between
> coordinator and PNCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1
> relationship between PNC coordinator and the VNC)
>
> Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming
> architecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is th=
at
> both architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may b=
e
> other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline
> architecture.
>
>
>
> 3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture
> draft saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefix=
es
> exchange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each othe=
r)
> while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks
> controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to
> provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A
> and B)=E2=80=A6H-PCE like.
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss
> these dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). O=
ne
> question I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with
> lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect
> the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC
> (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?
>
>
>
> BR
> Daniele
>
>
>
> *From:* ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Dhruv Dhody
> *Sent:* venerd=C3=AC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
> *To:* Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0
>
>
>
> Hi Young,
>
>
>
> Please see inline..
>
>
>
> *From:* Dhruv Dhody
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
> *To:* Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: ACTN charter v1.0
>
>
>
> Hi Young,
>
>
>
> Please find some comments on the proposed charter.
>
>
>
> * Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as
> Transport networks?
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One
> definition from the Problem Statement draft (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/)
> is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work?
>
>
>
> Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
>
>    provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
>
>    are characterized by their ability to support server layer
>
>    provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
>
>    such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
>
>    Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
>
>    type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
>
>    Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
>
>    Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
>
>    least the following transport networks are in scope of the
>
>    discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
>
>    Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
>
>    Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
>
>    network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing =E2=80=
=98in the
> document=E2=80=99/=E2=80=99of this draft=E2=80=99.
>
>
>
>
>
> * =E2=80=9CTransport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
>
> -               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
>
> -               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path
> setup and protection, and
>
> -               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized pat=
h
> computation.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> Term =E2=80=98centralized signaling=E2=80=99 is confusing to me, do you m=
ean, the use of
> NMS?
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: =E2=80=9CAllow for distribut=
ed
> signaling or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up=E2=80=A6.=E2=
=80=9D
>
>
>
> [Dhruv]: That works!
>
> *----------------------------*
>
>
>
> * =E2=80=9CThe architecture work will lead to requirements for informatio=
n models
> and protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the
> physical network domain controllers and between the virtual network
> controller and multi-tenant customer controllers.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> It would be nice to add =E2=80=9Cmulti-domain coordinator=E2=80=9D with =
=E2=80=9Cvirtual network
> controller=E2=80=9D to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant c=
ustomer
> controllers doesn=E2=80=99t convey the intention to have different custom=
er
> controllers for each tenant, how about=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> =E2=80=9CThe architecture work will lead to requirements for information =
models
> and protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded =
in
> a multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers a=
nd
> between the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer
> controllers.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.
>
>
>
> * =E2=80=9CThe working group will determine if new protocol extensions ar=
e
> necessary. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it wi=
ll
> develop the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while
> interacting with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where
> possible.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> Suggest to re-word this as it=E2=80=99s not clear =E2=80=93 is it about e=
xtension to
> existing protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up.
> Also Protocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, =E2=80=9C=
ACTN=E2=80=9D
> protocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But the=
re
> may be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In suc=
h
> case, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy
> would be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific
> technologies while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.
>
>
>
> [Dhruv]: How about we reword this to =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CThe working group=
 will determine
> if new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the
> working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new
> protocols within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to
> existing protocols would be done  with interactions with other working
> groups where possible.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> * You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking
> care of word-wraps and indentation
>
> YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
>
> [Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to th=
e
> data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
>
> This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dhruv
>
> Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.
>
>
>
> YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.
>
>
>
> Dhruv
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org <actn-bounces@ietf.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Leeyoung
> *Sent:* 10 September 2014 04:53
> *To:* Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0
>
>
>
> Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here=E2=80=99s a retransmissio=
n with
> the subject.
>
>
>
> *From:* Leeyoung
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
> *To:* actn@ietf.org
> *Subject:*
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I hope your summer break was a good one.
>
>
>
> We=E2=80=99d like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We=
 are
> going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we
> need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Here=E2=80=99s an init=
ial
> charter draft developed by the small set of proponents of the work based =
on
> the discussions and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope thi=
s
> captures a workable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also
> posted in the wiki:
> https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor
>
>
>
> Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a goo=
d
> charter developed by the community of interest.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Young (on behalf of the proponents)
>
>
>
> -------------------------------draft charter 1.0
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------
>
>
>
> Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
>
> -       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
>
> -       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup
> and protection, and
>
> -       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path
> computation.
>
>
>
> These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic
> networking, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although
> these technologies provide significant benefits within a single domain
> control boundary, they do not meet the growing need for transport network
> virtualization in multi-domain transport networks. More and more network
> operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport networks.
> These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a different
> technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishme=
nt
> of end-to-end connections spanning multiple domains is a perpetual proble=
m
> for operators because of both operational concerns (control plane and
> management plane) and interoperability issues (control plane and data
> plane).  Due to these issues, new services that require connections that
> traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual
> operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
>
>
>
> The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to
> facilitate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a
> virtualized environment allowing operators to view and control
> multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction
> of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their network
> services into multi-tenant virtual transport networks. This will enable
> rapid service deployment of new dynamic and elastic services, and will
> improve overall network operations and scaling of existing services.
> Discussion with operators has also highlighted a need for virtual network
> operation based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor
> domains.
>
>
>
> Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control
> hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain
> controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for
> abstracting network resource information to provide virtual network contr=
ol
> functions. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a
> multi-domain network coordinator to support various
> services/clients/applications to create and manage their own virtual
> networks that share the common transport network resources.
>
>
>
> The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for
> transport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless
> vertical service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily
> internal service organizations with respect to a network operator), the
> virtual network control and the physical network domain controls as well =
as
> a horizontal E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It wi=
ll
> identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among
> these components.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for
> information models and protocol extensions between the virtual network
> controller and the physical network domain controllers and between the vi=
rtual
> network controller and multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined
> use cases from operators perspective with clearly stated need for transpo=
rt
> network virtualization are critical in scoping the work and thus to achie=
ve
> the deliverables of the working group.
>
>
>
> The working group will work on the following items:
>
> -       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks
> to enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.
>
> -       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:
>
> o    Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet
> Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
>
> o    Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul
> multi-technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)
>
> o    Data Center Operator=E2=80=99s interconnection with optical transpor=
t
> network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit
> services.
>
> o    Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,
> virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.
>
> o    Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain
> controls and virtual network control.
>
> o    Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.
>
> Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operato=
r
> administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use
> case.
>
> -       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use
> cases.
>
> -       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and
> data models
>
> -       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding
> languages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
>
> -       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).
>
>
>
> The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary=
.
> If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop
> the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while
> interacting with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where
> possible.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Young, all,<div><br></div><div>This sure is an active l=
ist and it is a bit hard to jump to the discussion! I read charter v1.1 and=
 the discussions followed on the changes. Here are some early comments:</di=
v><div><br></div><div>- The current version appears to trying to do both (1=
) imposing an architecture and (2) leaving architecture to the architecture=
 document. For example, I see multiple types of controllers (physical contr=
oller for a domain, coordinator for physical controllers, tenant controller=
 for a tenant, ...). I also already see how they may interact (e.g., the hi=
erarchy paragraph). Some email discussion start to touch on this issue. My =
preference is that it is better to leave the architecture as much as possib=
le to the architecture document, to avoid confusion, because there are so m=
any possibilities (e.g., a controller might be represented by two functions=
, one for abstraction, one for control), unless the mailing list can reach =
some agreement soon.</div><div><br></div><div>- In the document, the word &=
quot;abstraction&quot; is a keyword, and it is different from &quot;control=
&quot;, which is the other keyword. I am fine with keeping the meaning of a=
bstraction somehow vague, but it may become confusing when there is too muc=
h overloading. For example, according to this sentence, &quot;the creation =
of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and control multi-s=
ubnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks&quot;, abstraction is=
 similar to &quot;view&quot;. Then, the following sentence &quot;Abstractio=
n of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their network =
services into multi-tenant virtual transport networks.&quot; appears to ass=
ign abstraction a much stronger meaning. I would suggest revision to keep t=
he meaning of the keywords simple.</div><div><br></div><div>- The charter u=
ses the word &quot;virtualized&quot; quite a few times. I found that they a=
ppear to have different meanings. For example, in this sentence, &quot;Well=
-defined use cases from operators perspective with=C2=A0<div>clearly stated=
 need for transport network virtualization&quot;, does &quot;virtualization=
&quot; mean abstraction? For this sentence, &quot;a centralized virtual net=
work operation&quot;, I cannot fully understand the meaning of the word &qu=
ot;virtual&quot;. For this sentence, &quot;Multi-tenant support to allow vi=
rtual network information query&quot;, it appears that virtual means an ove=
rlay network, right?</div><div><br></div><div>- Increasingly, &quot;abstrac=
tion&quot; in networking appears to mean (declarative) information model/da=
ta models, and this is what I read from this document as well. But abstract=
ion can mean a lot more. A good starting point is the wiki doc (<a href=3D"=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction_(computer_science)">http://en.wiki=
pedia.org/wiki/Abstraction_(computer_science)</a>). I hope that the charter=
 can be stated slightly more broadly (e.g., by stating that the WG will doc=
ument the challenges of abstracting complex behaviors of transport networks=
, and identify potential related techniques).</div><div><br></div><div>Rich=
ard</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Leeyoun=
g <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Hi Daniele,<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Please see inline for =
my response.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Young<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">actn@ietf.org</a><span class=3D""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Dhruv, Young,<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Excellent progresses!<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I=E2=80=99m collecting=
 them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pr=
etty complex.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">On centralized si=
gnaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS bas=
ed is one of the possibilities but it=E2=80=99s not limited to NMS. A netwo=
rk implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other
 similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I=E2=80=99m not s=
ure whether we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. =
In the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision con=
nectivity (whatever protocol is used). In
 the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is somet=
hing else? Please note that I speak about OF as it=E2=80=99s the only examp=
le that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">YOUNG&gt;&gt; T=
he intention here was giving some overview of the tools that current transp=
ort networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiati=
ves like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D
</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">On multidomain is=
sues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see two w=
ays:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">
<u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><span>a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">A coordinator of =
virtual network controllers =E2=80=93 i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtual=
 network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of v=
irtual network controllers on top<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">
<u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><span>b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">A coordinator of =
physical network controllers =E2=80=93 i.e. a coordinator of physical netwo=
rk controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virtu=
al network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Maybe we shoul=
d consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">YOUNG&gt;&gt; T=
hese options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architectur=
e document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both archi=
tectures need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><span>3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Again on multiodo=
main: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centrali=
zed and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distribute=
d (controllers speaking MP-BGP
 with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordi=
nator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controll=
er B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing doma=
ins A and B)=E2=80=A6H-PCE like.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">YOUNG&gt;&gt; G=
ood point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichoto=
my of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I h=
ave: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">BR<br>
Daniele<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">actn-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=C3=AC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">act=
n@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? =C2=A0One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-le=
eking-actn-problem-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">=C2=A0=C2=A0 network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing =E2=80=98in the docume=
nt=E2=80=99/=E2=80=99of this draft=E2=80=99.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =E2=80=9CTransport networks have a varie=
ty of mechanisms to:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Facilitate separation of data=
 plane and control plane,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Allow for distributed or cent=
ralized signaling=C2=A0 for path setup and protection, and
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Provide traffic engineering m=
echanism via centralized path computation.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term =E2=80=98centralized signaling=E2=80=
=99 is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: =E2=80=9CAllow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centraliz=
ed signaling for set up=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">----------------=
------------<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =E2=80=9CThe architecture work will lead=
 to requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the=
 virtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.=E2=80=9D
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add =E2=80=9Cmulti-dom=
ain coordinator=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cvirtual network controller=E2=80=9D =
to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers do=
esn=E2=80=99t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=E2=80=9CThe architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.=E2=80=9D
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =E2=80=9CThe working group will determin=
e if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines=
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it=E2=80=99s no=
t clear =E2=80=93 is it about extension to existing protocols or new protoc=
ol and where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is menti=
oned
 as a work item after re-chartering. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, =E2=80=9CACTN=E2=80=9D protocol per se) that ca=
nnot be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where=
 we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to =E2=
=80=93 =E2=80=9CThe working group will determine if new protocol or extensi=
ons to existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines th=
ey
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done=C2=
=A0 with interactions with other working groups where possible.=E2=80=9D<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto:actn-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">act=
n@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here=E2=80=99s a retransmission with the subject.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">actn@ietf.org=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We=E2=80=99d like to give you some updates and plans=
 on the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF me=
eting. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. H=
ere=E2=80=99s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. =C2=A0We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. =C2=A0This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor" targe=
t=3D"_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. =C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span>-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150=
%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separati=
on of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span>-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150=
%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distribut=
ed or centralized signaling=C2=A0 for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><span>-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150=
%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic eng=
ineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).=C2=A0 Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:1=
50%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The A=
CTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for transp=
ort network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.=C2=A0 The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:150%">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span>-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color=
:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:150%">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span>-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
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:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Opt=
ical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;line-height:150%">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
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hnology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;line-height:150%">
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:black">Data Center Operator=E2=80=99s interconnection with optical transpo=
rt network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;line-height:150%">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
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:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, vi=
rtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;line-height:150%">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;C=
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
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<p style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;line-height:150%">
<u></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;C=
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 service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within the working group will be =
limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <u></u><u=
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<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
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.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:150%">
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
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a models<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color=
:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
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nhance existing protocols where possible.
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Hi Daniele, Young,

See inline..


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 12 September 2014 23:21
To: actn@ietf.org
Subject: [Actn] ACTN architecture

Reposting my architecture considerations and Young's replies in a dedicated=
 thread.




1.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.
[[DanCe]] Agree. Let's keep track of both of them.
[Dhruv]: In the current architecture document we do not use the term 'coord=
inator';
In the charter it says - "Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN =
controller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual=
 network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embe=
dded in a multi-domain network coordinator to support various services/clie=
nts/applications to create and manage their own virtual networks that share=
 the common transport network resources."
To me this reads as the coordinator and virtual network control function ar=
e embedded together. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to =
be studied, we should relax the text in the charter.


2.      Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft=
 saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exch=
ange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) whi=
le provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller=
 A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pat=
h within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE =
like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?
[[DanCe]] The scenarios that come to my mind are more "horizontal". I would=
 say the either the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains  =
(in case of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets the information =
from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other controllers "on be=
half of their domains"

[Dhruv]: I feel this is highly dependent on the physical network controller=
s, if its a PCE it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the=
 controller runs BGP  it may directly interact with other controller. IMHO =
the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this interaction=
, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may not be=
 able to interact with each other directly (different technology, vendor sp=
ecific NMS etc).

BR
Daniele


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:5.25pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9848=
06">Hi Daniele, Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:5.25pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9848=
06"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:5.25pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9848=
06">See inline..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2014 23:21<br>
<b>To:</b> actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Reposting my architect=
ure considerations and Young&#8217;s replies in a dedicated thread.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These option=
s seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture document =
should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architectures ne=
ed to be considered as a starting point. There
 may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseli=
ne architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] Agree. Let&#=
8217;s keep track of both of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: In the=
 current architecture document we do not use the term &#8216;coordinator&#8=
217;;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">In the charter =
it says &#8211; &#8220;<i>Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources</i=
>.&#8221; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">To me this read=
s as the coordinator and virtual network control function are embedded toge=
ther. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to
 be studied, we should relax the text in the charter. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multi=
domain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centra=
lized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distribu=
ted (controllers speaking MP-BGP with
 each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator=
 asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B =
to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A=
 and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] The scenario=
s that come to my mind are more &#8220;horizontal&#8221;. I would say the e=
ither the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains&nbsp; (in c=
ase of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets
 the information from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other c=
ontrollers &#8220;on behalf of their domains&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: I feel=
 this is highly dependent on the physical network controllers, if its a PCE=
 it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the
 controller runs BGP &nbsp;it may directly interact with other controller. =
IMHO the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this intera=
ction, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may n=
ot be able to interact with each other
 directly (different technology, vendor specific NMS etc). <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Aihua,

could you kindly clarify for my knowledge what "PCEP extensions carrying se=
rvice related information" you're referring to?
If you consider RFC 4655, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude d=
istributed signaling as basic method to path setup in a PCE context.
On the other hand , the newly draft considering the possibility to use "oth=
er" path setup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introd=
ucing a specifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use another method =
in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed for path Setup T=
ype field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default  setup method.

I have difficult to understand what you mean with "service provisioning req=
uests may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements v=
ertically and in parallel.". What you mean with vertical and in parallel?
On the other hand I do not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whe=
ther for service info you consider the path setup info.
So I'm still uncomfortable with the term "centralized signaling"  in this c=
ontext.

Thanks
Sergio


From: Aihua Guo [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
Sent: sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26
To: Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

Regarding your comment,
"There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."
"

Today with e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, servi=
ce provisioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all=
 network elements vertically and in parallel. This is IMHO one form of cent=
ralized signaling.

Service provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not includ=
e service related information in the management protocols. Hence I still se=
e a difference between NMS based and centralized signaling. Would it be wor=
th to reflect the difference in the wording with something like this: ?

"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or =
centralized signaling) for set up...."

Thanks.
Aihua

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

I am OK with your suggested wording. Thanks.

Young

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.     On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized =
signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limited=
 to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoco=
l should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can speak=
 about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we us=
e the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever prot=
ocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management =
plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the o=
nly example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be con=
sidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.     On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage m=
ulti-domain? I see two ways:

a.     A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationship=
 between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a =
coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.     A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator o=
f physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PN=
Cs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PNC=
 coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.     Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft=
 saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exch=
ange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) whi=
le provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller=
 A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pat=
h within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE =
like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-        Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-        Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and=
 protection, and

-        Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computa=
tion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-        High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks t=
o enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-        Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-        Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use case=
s.

-        Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and da=
ta models

-        Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding langua=
ges and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-        Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Aihua,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">could y=
ou kindly clarify for my knowledge what &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">PCEP extensions carrying service related informatio=
n&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">If you =
consider RFC 4655, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude distribu=
ted signaling as basic method to path setup in a PCE context.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the =
other hand , the newly draft considering the possibility to use &#8220;othe=
r&#8221; path setup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is i=
ntroducing a specifc TLV that you need to add if you
 want to use another method in your architecture. In fact , the default val=
ue proposed for path Setup Type field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE=
 as default &nbsp;setup method.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have =
difficult to understand what you mean with &#8220;service provisioning requ=
ests may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements ve=
rtically and in parallel.&#8221;. What you mean with
 vertical and in parallel? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the =
other hand I do not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whether fo=
r service info you consider the path setup info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">So I&#8=
217;m still uncomfortable with the term &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221;=
 &nbsp;in this context.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Aihua Gu=
o [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Serg=
io,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regardi=
ng your comment,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8220;=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in my=
 view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">Another cas=
e is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a di=
stributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But ag=
ain , it is not a centralized signaling
 , signaling is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is=
 centralized in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">So I would =
suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized and change t=
he sentence into:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or centralized =
model (e.g.an NMS-based) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8221;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Today w=
ith e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, service prov=
isioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all networ=
k elements vertically and in parallel.
 This is IMHO one form of centralized signaling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Service=
 provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not include servi=
ce related information in the management protocols. Hence I still see a dif=
ference between NMS based and centralized
 signaling. Would it be worth to reflect the difference in the wording with=
 something like this: ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or centralized =
model (e.g.an NMS-based or centralized signaling) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Serg=
io, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am OK=
 with your suggested wording. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [<a href=3D"mailto:sergio.be=
lotti@alcatel-lucent.com">mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Youn=
g, Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please =
see in line .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dani=
ele,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for char=
ter discussion while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As=
 a few folks are already working on the architecture
 document, we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while=
 developing the draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please =
see inline for my response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccare=
lli@ericsson.com">mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, =
Young,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excelle=
nt progresses!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me =
just add some notes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217=
;m collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread i=
s becoming pretty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signal=
ing means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited=
 to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open
 Flow or any other similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here=
 I&#8217;m not sure whether we can speak about centralized signaling in bot=
h cases or not. In the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamical=
ly provision connectivity (whatever protocol
 is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plan=
e or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the=
 only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be c=
onsidered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curren=
t transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other =
initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling
 in a research circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps =
good compromise would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restati=
ng like:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signa=
ling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.=
&#8221;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I ha=
ve still problems with this definition. In my view when you think about to =
an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is providing com=
mand towards managed equipment functions
 that are virtualized in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resou=
rce reservation&#8221; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with=
 normal signaling protocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management proto=
col .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">There is no=
 signaling in my view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">Another cas=
e is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a di=
stributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But ag=
ain , it is not a centralized signaling
 , signaling is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is=
 centralized in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">So I would =
suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized and change t=
he sentence into:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or centralized =
model (e.g.an NMS-based) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-d=
omain? I see two ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span sty=
le=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>A coordinator of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship=
 between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a =
coordinator of virtual network controllers
 on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span sty=
le=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>A coordinator of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator o=
f physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PN=
Cs) with a virtual network controller on top?
 (1:1 relationship between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, m=
aybe pick one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming arc=
hitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that bo=
th architectures need to be considered as a
 starting point. There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scop=
e as an initial baseline architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft sayin=
g what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange c=
ould be distributed (controllers speaking
 MP-BGP with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the=
 coordinator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks c=
ontroller B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossi=
ng domains A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these=
 dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One ques=
tion I have: are you assuming the coordinator
 also speaks MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coor=
dinator need to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the co=
ordinator and each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a c=
entralized component?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dhody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments o=
n the proposed charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in c=
harter also to specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clar=
ify the scope. Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Pr=
oblem Statement draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-le=
eking-actn-problem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeki=
ng-actn-problem-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">T=
ransport networks are defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; are characterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer serv=
ices,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such that resource guarantees may be provided to their cus=
tomers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;least the following transport networks are in scope of the=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched O=
ptical
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerg=
ing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0">[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;=
in the document&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks=
 have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized sig=
naling&#8217; is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can r=
eword the second point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-ba=
sed centralized signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">-=
---------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture w=
ork will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extension=
s between the virtual network controller and the physical network
 domain controllers and between the virtual network controller and multi-te=
nant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8=
220;multi-domain coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&=
#8221; to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer control=
lers doesn&#8217;t
 convey the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenan=
t, how about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture wor=
k will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extensions =
between the virtual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain
 coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and between the v=
irtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds g=
ood to me. Thanks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group =
will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working gro=
up determines they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols
 within the working group where necessary, while interacting with other wor=
king groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as =
it&#8217;s not clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or=
 new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensio=
ns
 is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol =
extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per =
se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some =
areas
 where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to =
interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP=
 WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG=
 needs to be informed of the protocol
 changes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we rewor=
d this to &#8211; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol o=
r extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the working group
 determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within t=
he working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols wo=
uld be done&nbsp; with interactions with other working groups where possibl=
e.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking =
care of word-wraps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to =
the data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
 &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful i=
n making the charter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. T=
hanks a lot for your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, =
I forgot the Subject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the =
subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I hope your summer break was a =
good one. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We&#8217;d like to give you som=
e updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF =
in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of t=
he due diligence. Here&#8217;s an initial charter
 draft developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the di=
scussions and use-cases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this c=
aptures a workable ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also=
 posted in the wiki:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Your review and comment will be=
 greatly appreciated to come up with a good charter developed by the commun=
ity of interest. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Young (on behalf of the propone=
nts) <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-------------------------------=
draft charter 1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mec=
hanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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acilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
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llow for distributed or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and prot=
ection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
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nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">P=
rovide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for ena=
bling flexible and dynamic networking, and efficient control
 and recovery of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these tech=
nologies provide significant benefits within a single domain control bounda=
ry, they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization =
in multi-domain transport networks.
 More and more network operators are building and operating on multi-domain=
 transport networks. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be =
each of a different technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific is=
lands. Establishment of end-to-end
 connections spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators=
 because of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) =
and interoperability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to th=
ese issues, new services that require
 connections that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and o=
ften manual operations to interface different vendor equipment and technolo=
gy.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transpo=
rt Networks (ACTN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network
 operation: the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to=
 view and control multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain netwo=
rks. Abstraction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate=
 their network services into multi-tenant
 virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of n=
ew dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operation=
s and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also high=
lighted a need for virtual network
 operation based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor dom=
ains.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in=
 ACTN is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator
 interacts with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control pl=
ane, SDN controller) for abstracting network resource information to provid=
e virtual network control functions. This virtual network control functions=
 are embedded in a multi-domain
 network coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to cr=
eate and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport =
network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develo=
p a high-level architecture for transport network abstraction
 and control that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across=
 multi-tenant customers (primarily internal service organizations with resp=
ect to a network operator), the virtual network control and the physical ne=
twork domain controls as well as
 a horizontal E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It wil=
l identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among t=
hese components.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer=
 controllers</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases fr=
om operators perspective with clearly stated need for transport network vir=
tualization are critical in scoping the work and thus to
 achieve the deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D=
"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D=
"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Dhruv,

Here's my comment.

Thanks,
Young
From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 12:22 AM
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; actn@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN architecture

Hi Daniele, Young,

See inline..


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 12 September 2014 23:21
To: actn@ietf.org
Subject: [Actn] ACTN architecture

Reposting my architecture considerations and Young's replies in a dedicated=
 thread.




1.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.
[[DanCe]] Agree. Let's keep track of both of them.
[Dhruv]: In the current architecture document we do not use the term 'coord=
inator';
In the charter it says - "Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN =
controller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual=
 network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embe=
dded in a multi-domain network coordinator to support various services/clie=
nts/applications to create and manage their own virtual networks that share=
 the common transport network resources."
To me this reads as the coordinator and virtual network control function ar=
e embedded together. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to =
be studied, we should relax the text in the charter.

YOUNG>> I think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACT=
N. Although Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption=
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC.  I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordinator V=
NC has to deal with multiple VNCs or PNCs with VN proxy function.

For case b (per Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1=
:1) while how the PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is o=
ut of scope of ACTN work in  my view.  In this case, we are only dealing wi=
th the VNC with the PNC coordinator.  Multi-domain coordination is "delegat=
ed" to the PNC level.

So I think your point is that the current charter is more or less case a's =
perspective.  But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work s=
hould be focused on. Case b is subset of case a.

Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying =
is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be=
 distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) while provisioni=
ng could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller A to provisi=
on a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a path within B so=
 to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?
[[DanCe]] The scenarios that come to my mind are more "horizontal". I would=
 say the either the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains  =
(in case of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets the information =
from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other controllers "on be=
half of their domains"

[Dhruv]: I feel this is highly dependent on the physical network controller=
s, if its a PCE it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the=
 controller runs BGP  it may directly interact with other controller. IMHO =
the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this interaction=
, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may not be=
 able to interact with each other directly (different technology, vendor sp=
ecific NMS etc).

YOUNG>> I agree with you on this.

BR
Daniele


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Here&#8217;s my commen=
t. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 15, 2014 12:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9848=
06">Hi Daniele, Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9848=
06"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9848=
06">See inline..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2014 23:21<br>
<b>To:</b> actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Reposting my architect=
ure considerations and Young&#8217;s replies in a dedicated thread.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These option=
s seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture document =
should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architectures ne=
ed to be considered as a starting point. There
 may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseli=
ne architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] Agree. Let&#=
8217;s keep track of both of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: In the=
 current architecture document we do not use the term &#8216;coordinator&#8=
217;;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">In the charter =
it says &#8211; &#8220;<i>Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources</i=
>.&#8221; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">To me this read=
s as the coordinator and virtual network control function are embedded toge=
ther. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to
 be studied, we should relax the text in the charter. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACTN. Althou=
gh Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC. &nbsp;I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordina=
tor VNC has to deal with multiple VNCs
 or PNCs with VN proxy function. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">For case b (per=
 Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1:1) while how t=
he PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is
 out of scope of ACTN work in&nbsp; my view.&nbsp; In this case, we are onl=
y dealing with the VNC with the PNC coordinator. &nbsp;Multi-domain coordin=
ation is &#8220;delegated&#8221; to the PNC level. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">So I think your=
 point is that the current charter is more or less case a&#8217;s perspecti=
ve.&nbsp; But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work
 should be focused on. Case b is subset of case a. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"color:#1F4=
97D">Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft sa=
ying is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange cou=
ld be distributed (controllers speaking
 MP-BGP with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the=
 coordinator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks c=
ontroller B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossi=
ng domains A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] The scenario=
s that come to my mind are more &#8220;horizontal&#8221;. I would say the e=
ither the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains&nbsp; (in c=
ase of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets
 the information from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other c=
ontrollers &#8220;on behalf of their domains&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: I feel=
 this is highly dependent on the physical network controllers, if its a PCE=
 it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the
 controller runs BGP &nbsp;it may directly interact with other controller. =
IMHO the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this intera=
ction, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may n=
ot be able to interact with each other
 directly (different technology, vendor specific NMS etc). <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 agree with you on this.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Sergio and Aihua,

I have the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is "centralized =
signaling".

Could someone point out where we can find the term about "centralized signa=
ling"?

Let's have some brainstorm by giving an example. For example, when a MPLS-T=
E LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we regard this  is "=
centralized signaling"?




Best Regards

Fatai

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of BELOTTI, SERGIO (SER=
GIO)
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM
To: Aihua Guo; Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Aihua,

could you kindly clarify for my knowledge what "PCEP extensions carrying se=
rvice related information" you're referring to?
If you consider RFC 4655, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude d=
istributed signaling as basic method to path setup in a PCE context.
On the other hand , the newly draft considering the possibility to use "oth=
er" path setup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introd=
ucing a specifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use another method =
in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed for path Setup T=
ype field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default  setup method.

I have difficult to understand what you mean with "service provisioning req=
uests may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements v=
ertically and in parallel.". What you mean with vertical and in parallel?
On the other hand I do not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whe=
ther for service info you consider the path setup info.
So I'm still uncomfortable with the term "centralized signaling"  in this c=
ontext.

Thanks
Sergio


From: Aihua Guo [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
Sent: sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26
To: Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

Regarding your comment,
"There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."
"

Today with e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, servi=
ce provisioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all=
 network elements vertically and in parallel. This is IMHO one form of cent=
ralized signaling.

Service provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not includ=
e service related information in the management protocols. Hence I still se=
e a difference between NMS based and centralized signaling. Would it be wor=
th to reflect the difference in the wording with something like this: ?

"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or =
centralized signaling) for set up...."

Thanks.
Aihua

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

I am OK with your suggested wording. Thanks.

Young

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.     On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized =
signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limited=
 to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoco=
l should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can speak=
 about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we us=
e the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever prot=
ocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management =
plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the o=
nly example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be con=
sidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.     On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage m=
ulti-domain? I see two ways:

a.     A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationship=
 between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a =
coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.     A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator o=
f physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PN=
Cs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PNC=
 coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.     Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft=
 saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exch=
ange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) whi=
le provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller=
 A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pat=
h within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE =
like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Hi Sergio and Aihua,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">I have the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is &#8=
220;centralized signaling&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Could someone point out where we can find the term about &#8220;c=
entralized signaling&#8221;?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Let&#8217;s have some brainstorm by giving an example. For exampl=
e, when a MPLS-TE LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we r=
egard this &nbsp;is &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221;?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Best Re=
gards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Fatai<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aihua Guo; Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Aihua,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">could y=
ou kindly clarify for my knowledge what &#8220;PCEP extensions carrying ser=
vice related information&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to?<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">If you =
consider RFC 4655, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude distribu=
ted signaling as basic method to path setup in a PCE context.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the =
other hand , the newly draft considering the possibility to use &#8220;othe=
r&#8221; path setup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is i=
ntroducing a specifc TLV that you need to add if you
 want to use another method in your architecture. In fact , the default val=
ue proposed for path Setup Type field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE=
 as default &nbsp;setup method.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have =
difficult to understand what you mean with &#8220;service provisioning requ=
ests may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements ve=
rtically and in parallel.&#8221;. What you mean with
 vertical and in parallel? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the =
other hand I do not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whether fo=
r service info you consider the path setup info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">So I&#8=
217;m still uncomfortable with the term &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221;=
 &nbsp;in this context.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lan=
g=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"> Aihua Guo [<a href=3D"mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com">mailto:A=
Guo@advaoptical.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Serg=
io,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regardi=
ng your comment,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8220;=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in my=
 view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">Another cas=
e is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a di=
stributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But ag=
ain , it is not a centralized signaling
 , signaling is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is=
 centralized in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">So I would =
suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized and change t=
he sentence into:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or centralized =
model (e.g.an NMS-based) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8221;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Today w=
ith e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, service prov=
isioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all networ=
k elements vertically and in parallel.
 This is IMHO one form of centralized signaling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Service=
 provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not include servi=
ce related information in the management protocols. Hence I still see a dif=
ference between NMS based and centralized
 signaling. Would it be worth to reflect the difference in the wording with=
 something like this: ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or centralized =
model (e.g.an NMS-based or centralized signaling) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Serg=
io, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am OK=
 with your suggested wording. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [<a href=3D"mailto:sergio.be=
lotti@alcatel-lucent.com">mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Youn=
g, Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please =
see in line .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
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nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dani=
ele,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for char=
ter discussion while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As=
 a few folks are already working on the architecture
 document, we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while=
 developing the draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please =
see inline for my response.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccare=
lli@ericsson.com">mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, =
Young,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excelle=
nt progresses!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me =
just add some notes/questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217=
;m collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread i=
s becoming pretty complex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized signal=
ing means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited=
 to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open
 Flow or any other similar protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here=
 I&#8217;m not sure whether we can speak about centralized signaling in bot=
h cases or not. In the case of NMS we use the management plane to dynamical=
ly provision connectivity (whatever protocol
 is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plan=
e or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the=
 only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be c=
onsidered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curren=
t transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other =
initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling
 in a research circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps =
good compromise would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restati=
ng like:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signa=
ling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.=
&#8221;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I ha=
ve still problems with this definition. In my view when you think about to =
an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is providing com=
mand towards managed equipment functions
 that are virtualized in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resou=
rce reservation&#8221; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with=
 normal signaling protocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management proto=
col .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">There is no=
 signaling in my view .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">Another cas=
e is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a di=
stributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But ag=
ain , it is not a centralized signaling
 , signaling is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is=
 centralized in my view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">So I would =
suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized and change t=
he sentence into:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or centralized =
model (e.g.an NMS-based) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-d=
omain? I see two ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span sty=
le=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>A coordinator of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship=
 between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a =
coordinator of virtual network controllers
 on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span sty=
le=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>A coordinator of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator o=
f physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PN=
Cs) with a virtual network controller on top?
 (1:1 relationship between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, m=
aybe pick one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming arc=
hitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that bo=
th architectures need to be considered as a
 starting point. There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scop=
e as an initial baseline architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
<span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"=
>Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft sayin=
g what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange c=
ould be distributed (controllers speaking
 MP-BGP with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the=
 coordinator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks c=
ontroller B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossi=
ng domains A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&g=
t;&gt; Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these=
 dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One ques=
tion I have: are you assuming the coordinator
 also speaks MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coor=
dinator need to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the co=
ordinator and each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a c=
entralized component?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dhody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments o=
n the proposed charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in c=
harter also to specify what we consider as Transport networks?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clar=
ify the scope. Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Pr=
oblem Statement draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-le=
eking-actn-problem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeki=
ng-actn-problem-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">T=
ransport networks are defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; are characterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer serv=
ices,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such that resource guarantees may be provided to their cus=
tomers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;least the following transport networks are in scope of the=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched O=
ptical
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerg=
ing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#00330=
0">[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;=
in the document&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks=
 have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized sig=
naling&#8217; is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can r=
eword the second point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-ba=
sed centralized signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">-=
---------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture w=
ork will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extension=
s between the virtual network controller and the physical network
 domain controllers and between the virtual network controller and multi-te=
nant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8=
220;multi-domain coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&=
#8221; to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer control=
lers doesn&#8217;t
 convey the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenan=
t, how about&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture wor=
k will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extensions =
between the virtual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain
 coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and between the v=
irtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds g=
ood to me. Thanks.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group =
will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working gro=
up determines they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols
 within the working group where necessary, while interacting with other wor=
king groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as =
it&#8217;s not clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or=
 new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensio=
ns
 is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol =
extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per =
se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some =
areas
 where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to =
interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP=
 WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG=
 needs to be informed of the protocol
 changes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we rewor=
d this to &#8211; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol o=
r extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the working group
 determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within t=
he working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols wo=
uld be done&nbsp; with interactions with other working groups where possibl=
e.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking =
care of word-wraps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to =
the data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
 &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#0033=
00">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful i=
n making the charter text crisp.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. T=
hanks a lot for your review and great comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, =
I forgot the Subject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the =
subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I hope your summer break was a =
good one. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We&#8217;d like to give you som=
e updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF =
in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of t=
he due diligence. Here&#8217;s an initial charter
 draft developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the di=
scussions and use-cases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this c=
aptures a workable ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also=
 posted in the wiki:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Your review and comment will be=
 greatly appreciated to come up with a good charter developed by the commun=
ity of interest. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Young (on behalf of the propone=
nts) <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-------------------------------=
draft charter 1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mec=
hanisms to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">F=
acilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">A=
llow for distributed or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and prot=
ection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">P=
rovide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for ena=
bling flexible and dynamic networking, and efficient control
 and recovery of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these tech=
nologies provide significant benefits within a single domain control bounda=
ry, they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization =
in multi-domain transport networks.
 More and more network operators are building and operating on multi-domain=
 transport networks. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be =
each of a different technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific is=
lands. Establishment of end-to-end
 connections spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators=
 because of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) =
and interoperability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to th=
ese issues, new services that require
 connections that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and o=
ften manual operations to interface different vendor equipment and technolo=
gy.
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transpo=
rt Networks (ACTN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network
 operation: the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to=
 view and control multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain netwo=
rks. Abstraction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate=
 their network services into multi-tenant
 virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of n=
ew dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operation=
s and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also high=
lighted a need for virtual network
 operation based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor dom=
ains.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in=
 ACTN is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator
 interacts with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control pl=
ane, SDN controller) for abstracting network resource information to provid=
e virtual network control functions. This virtual network control functions=
 are embedded in a multi-domain
 network coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to cr=
eate and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport =
network resources.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develo=
p a high-level architecture for transport network abstraction
 and control that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across=
 multi-tenant customers (primarily internal service organizations with resp=
ect to a network operator), the virtual network control and the physical ne=
twork domain controls as well as
 a horizontal E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It wil=
l identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among t=
hese components.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer=
 controllers</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases fr=
om operators perspective with clearly stated need for transport network vir=
tualization are critical in scoping the work and thus to
 achieve the deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=
=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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sp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
ight:150%;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#444444"><span style=3D=
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nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#444444"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-he=
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=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
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p></span></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
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ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
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Hi Young,

Please see inline, look for [Dhruv2].


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 12 September 2014 23:21
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Subject: [Actn] ACTN architecture

Reposting my architecture considerations and Young's replies in a dedicated=
 thread.




1.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.
[[DanCe]] Agree. Let's keep track of both of them.
[Dhruv]: In the current architecture document we do not use the term 'coord=
inator';
In the charter it says - "Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN =
controller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual=
 network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embe=
dded in a multi-domain network coordinator to support various services/clie=
nts/applications to create and manage their own virtual networks that share=
 the common transport network resources."
To me this reads as the coordinator and virtual network control function ar=
e embedded together. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to =
be studied, we should relax the text in the charter.

YOUNG>> I think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACT=
N. Although Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption=
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC.  I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordinator V=
NC has to deal with multiple VNCs or PNCs with VN proxy function.
[Dhruv 2]:  In my opinion what Daniele suggest is more like -
Daniele Case a:

                 Virtual network Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               VNC           VNC          VNC
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC


Daniele Case b:
                             VNC
                              |
                              |
                 Physical network Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC

Here the key difference is - 'multi-domain coordinator function' to be enga=
ging with VNCs or PNCs in the southbound.
>From your description I gather that the 'multi-domain coordinator function'=
 can interact with multiple VNC (case a) or interact with multiple PNC (cas=
e b) which I also think is valid.
Making this look like....
                    Multi-domain Coordinator (parent
                              |               -VNC)
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               VNC           VNC          VNC
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC


                             VNC
                              | (probably embedded
                              |  together)
                   Multi-domain Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
                 PNC          PNC          PNC


For case b (per Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1=
:1) while how the PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is o=
ut of scope of ACTN work in  my view.  In this case, we are only dealing wi=
th the VNC with the PNC coordinator.  Multi-domain coordination is "delegat=
ed" to the PNC level.
[Dhruv 2]: I am not sure what you mean here?

So I think your point is that the current charter is more or less case a's =
perspective.  But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work s=
hould be focused on. Case b is subset of case a.

I am not to sure

The charter text thus seems more closely related to case (b) where a multi-=
domain coordinator interacts with domain controllers (PNC) and this functio=
n resides with virtual network control function.
[Dhruv 2]: Yes.


Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying =
is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be=
 distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) while provisioni=
ng could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller A to provisi=
on a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a path within B so=
 to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?
[[DanCe]] The scenarios that come to my mind are more "horizontal". I would=
 say the either the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains  =
(in case of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets the information =
from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other controllers "on be=
half of their domains"


[Dhruv]: I feel this is highly dependent on the physical network controller=
s, if its a PCE it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the=
 controller runs BGP  it may directly interact with other controller. IMHO =
the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this interaction=
, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may not be=
 able to interact with each other directly (different technology, vendor sp=
ecific NMS etc).

YOUNG>> I agree with you on this.

BR
Daniele


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please see inline, look for [Dhruv2].
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2014 23:21<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Reposting my architect=
ure considerations and Young&#8217;s replies in a dedicated thread.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These option=
s seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture document =
should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architectures ne=
ed to be considered as a starting point. There
 may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseli=
ne architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] Agree. Let&#=
8217;s keep track of both of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: In the=
 current architecture document we do not use the term &#8216;coordinator&#8=
217;;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">In the charter =
it says &#8211; &#8220;<i>Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources</i=
>.&#8221; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">To me this read=
s as the coordinator and virtual network control function are embedded toge=
ther. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to
 be studied, we should relax the text in the charter. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACTN. Althou=
gh Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC. &nbsp;I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordina=
tor VNC has to deal with multiple VNCs
 or PNCs with VN proxy function. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">[Dhruv 2]: &nbs=
p;In my opinion what Daniele suggest is more like -
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">Daniele Case a:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">Here the key difference is &#8211; &#8216;multi-domain coordinator func=
tion&#8217; to be engaging with VNCs or PNCs in the southbound.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">From your description I gather that the &#8216;multi-domain coordinator=
 function&#8217; can interact with multiple VNC (case a) or interact with
 multiple PNC (case b) which I also think is valid. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">Making this look like&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multi-domain Coordinator (parent<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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sp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;VNC&n=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;-------------&#43;------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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/o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp; &nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PNC&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">For case b (per=
 Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1:1) while how t=
he PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is
 out of scope of ACTN work in&nbsp; my view.&nbsp; In this case, we are onl=
y dealing with the VNC with the PNC coordinator. &nbsp;Multi-domain coordin=
ation is &#8220;delegated&#8221; to the PNC level. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">[Dhruv 2]: I am=
 not sure what you mean here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">So I think your=
 point is that the current charter is more or less case a&#8217;s perspecti=
ve.&nbsp; But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work
 should be focused on. Case b is subset of case a. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">I am not to sure
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">The charter text thus seems more closely related to case (b) where a mu=
lti-domain coordinator interacts with domain controllers (PNC)
 and this function resides with virtual network control function. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">[Dhruv 2]: Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66"></span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"color:#1F4=
97D">Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft sa=
ying is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange cou=
ld be distributed (controllers speaking
 MP-BGP with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the=
 coordinator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks c=
ontroller B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossi=
ng domains A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] The scenario=
s that come to my mind are more &#8220;horizontal&#8221;. I would say the e=
ither the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains&nbsp; (in c=
ase of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets
 the information from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other c=
ontrollers &#8220;on behalf of their domains&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: I feel=
 this is highly dependent on the physical network controllers, if its a PCE=
 it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the
 controller runs BGP &nbsp;it may directly interact with other controller. =
IMHO the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this intera=
ction, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may n=
ot be able to interact with each other
 directly (different technology, vendor specific NMS etc). <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 agree with you on this.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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div></span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0=
px; margin-left: 0.5em;"><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"border:none;border=
-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div style=3D"PADDING-=
RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; FONT-SIZE: 12px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma;COLOR:#0=
00000; BACKGROUND: #efefef; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px"><div><b=
>From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" style=3D"color: blu=
e; text-decoration: underline;">Leeyoung</a></div><div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2=
014-09-11&nbsp;23:17</div><div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.dho=
dy@huawei.com" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Dhruv Dh=
ody</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text-decor=
ation: underline;">actn@ietf.org</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [A=
ctn] ACTN charter v1.0</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"FoxDiv201409151=
71827009436">=0A<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>=0A<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit"=
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rdSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><=
span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibr=
i, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for pro=
viding your valuable comment.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif;"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline fo=
r my response. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,=
 sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>=0A<div>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1=
.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:=
 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Taho=
ma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dhody=0A<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> Wednes=
day, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>=0A<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn=
@ietf.org<br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; fon=
t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fami=
ly: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed=
 charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: =
0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do =
we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Transport=
 networks?=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0=
px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOU=
NG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;O=
ne definition from the Problem Statement draft (<a href=3D"https://datatra=
cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/" style=3D"color: b=
lue; text-decoration: underline;">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-l=
eeking-actn-problem-statement/</a>)=0A is as follows. Would this be good e=
nough or need more work? <o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif=
;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;c=
olor:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">T=
ransport networks are defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p=
>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides connectivity and band=
width for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
f;">&nbsp;&nbsp; are characterized by their ability to support server laye=
r=0A<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; fon=
t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;provisi=
oning and traffic engineering for client layer services,=0A<o:p></o:p></p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such that resource guarant=
ees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport networks in this document refer to a set =
of different<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; type=
 of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-C=
S) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that a=
t=0A<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; fon=
t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;least t=
he following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) =
optical networks (e.g.,=0A<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched =
Optical=0A<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0i=
n; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;N=
etworks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p=
>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; network technologies with conn=
ection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9=
93366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0=
px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =
=E2=80=9CTransport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11p=
t; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Can=
dara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate se=
paration of data plane and control plane,=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or cent=
ralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and=0A<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11=
pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ca=
ndara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traf=
fic engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.=E2=80=9D<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-s=
ize: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=
Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term =E2=80=98centrali=
zed signaling=E2=80=99 is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; fon=
t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-siz=
e: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. =
We can reword the second point: =E2=80=9CAllow for distributed signaling o=
r an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up=E2=80=A6.=E2=80=9D=0A<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-=
size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size:=
 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =E2=80=9CThe archit=
ecture work will lead to requirements for information models and protocol =
extensions between the virtual network controller and the physical network=
 domain controllers=0A and between the virtual network controller and mult=
i-tenant customer controllers.=E2=80=9D=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Ca=
libri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"=
MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add =E2=80=9Cmulti-domain co=
ordinator=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cvirtual network controller=E2=80=9D to ex=
plicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn=
=E2=80=99t convey=0A the intention to have different customer controllers =
for each tenant, how about=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-=
serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#993366">=E2=80=9CThe architecture work will lead to requirement=
s for information models and protocol extensions between the virtual netwo=
rk controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)=0A and the physical=
 network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller and=
 multiple tenant customer controllers.=E2=80=9D=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. =
Thanks.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:=
 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* =E2=
=80=9CThe working group will determine if new protocol extensions are nece=
ssary. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will de=
velop the new protocols within=0A the working group where necessary, while=
 interacting with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where=
 possible.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><=
span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color=
:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m=
argin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993=
366">Suggest to re-word this as it=E2=80=99s not clear =E2=80=93 is it abo=
ut extension to existing protocols or new protocol and where that work mig=
ht be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned=0A as a work item af=
ter re-chartering. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif=
;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;c=
olor:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><=
span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color=
:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol =
(say, =E2=80=9CACTN=E2=80=9D protocol per se) that cannot be extended from=
 existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we=0A need to expan=
d from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact with the corr=
esponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is chartered to w=
ork on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to be informe=
d of the protocol changes.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-s=
erif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:#993366">* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text form=
at taking care of word-wraps and indentation<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Not sure what you meant her=
e. Please clarify it for me.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the charter text c=
risp.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0=
px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0i=
n; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt=
;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.=0A<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-=
size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size:=
 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt;=
 font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Canda=
ra&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<=
div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">=0A<div>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt=
;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]=0A<b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>=0A=
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN chart=
er v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in=
; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"color=
:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here=E2=80=99s a retr=
ansmission with the subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif;"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<div>=
=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size=
: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung=0A<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 =
3:47 PM<br>=0A<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline;">actn@ietf.org</a><br>=0A<b>Subject:</b>=
 <o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; fo=
nt-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"=
>I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We=E2=80=
=99d like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are goin=
g to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a=
 charter draft as part of the due diligence. Here=E2=80=99s an initial cha=
rter draft developed by=0A the small set of proponents of the work based o=
n the discussions and use-cases and other published documents. &nbsp;We ho=
pe this captures a workable ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft chart=
er is also posted in the wiki:=0A<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/=
actnbof/home/charter-propor" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underl=
ine;">https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>=0A<o:p=
></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cal=
ibri, sans-serif;">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to =
come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-si=
ze: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif;">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">----------=
---------------------draft charter 1.0 -----------------------------------=
-----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:=
p></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt;=
 font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"line-height: 150%; background-color: white; margin: 0px =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent: -0.25in;=
 line-height: 150%; background-color: white; margin: 0px 0in 0px 0.5in; fo=
nt-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=0A<span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
=0A</span></span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;f=
ont-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separation=
 of data plane and control plane,=0A</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoListParag=
raph" style=3D"text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 150%; background-color: =
white; margin: 0px 0in 0px 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, s=
ans-serif;">=0A<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"=
mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=0A</span></span></span><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;">Allow for distributed or centralized signaling&nbsp; for pat=
h setup and protection, and=0A</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" =
style=3D"text-indent: -0.25in; line-height: 150%; background-color: white;=
 margin: 0px 0in 0px 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif;">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=0A</span></span></s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic engineering mechanism via=
 centralized path computation.=0A</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"line-height: 150%; background-color: white; margin: 0px =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"line-height: 150%; background-color: white; margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 1=
1pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;li=
ne-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">These=
 represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networking, =
and efficient control and recovery=0A of resources. <span style=3D"color:b=
lack">Although these technologies provide significant benefits within a si=
ngle domain control boundary, they do not meet the growing need for transp=
ort network virtualization in multi-domain transport networks. More and mo=
re=0A network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transpo=
rt networks. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of=
 a different technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands.=
 Establishment of end-to-end connections=0A spanning multiple domains is a=
 perpetual problem for operators because of both operational concerns (con=
trol plane and management plane) and interoperability issues (control plan=
e and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, new services that require co=
nnections=0A that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and =
often manual operations to interface different vendor equipment and techno=
logy.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"li=
ne-height: 150%; margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, s=
ans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&=
quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height: 150%; margin: 0px 0=
in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Net=
works (ACTN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:=0A =
the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstr=
action of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their ne=
twork services into multi-tenant virtual=0A transport networks. This will =
enable rapid service deployment of new dynamic and elastic services, and w=
ill improve overall network operations and scaling of existing services. D=
iscussion with operators has also highlighted a need for virtual network o=
peration=0A based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor d=
omains.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-heigh=
t: 150%; margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
f;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height: 150%; margin: 0px 0in; fon=
t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is buil=
t on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts=0A wit=
h each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN cont=
roller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual ne=
twork control functions. This virtual network control functions are embedd=
ed in a multi-domain network coordinator=0A to support various services/cl=
ients/applications to create and manage their own virtual networks that sh=
are the common transport network resources.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height: 150%; margin: 0px 0in; font-size=
: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;col=
or:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=
=3D"line-height: 150%; margin: 0px 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Co=
nsolas;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The ACTN working group w=
ill work to develop a high-level architecture for transport network abstra=
ction and control=0A that facilitates seamless vertical service coordinati=
on across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal service organizations=
 with respect to a network operator), the virtual network control and the =
physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal=0A E2E service co=
ordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key building com=
ponents and the corresponding interfaces among these components.&nbsp; The=
 architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:black">=0A requirements for information models and protocol e=
xtensions between the virtual network controller and the physical network =
domain controllers</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=0A</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=
and between the</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;">=0A</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;colo=
r:black">virtual network controller=0A</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=
and multi-tenant customer controllers</span><span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.=0A</span><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;">Well-defined use cases from operators perspective with clearly stated=
 need for transport network virtualization are critical in scoping the wor=
k and thus to achieve the=0A deliverables of the working group.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height: 150%; margin: 0=
px 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"=
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Hi Sergio and Fatai,

What I consider for "centralized signaling" is in a scenario where there is=
 a centralized service controller and a network consisting of multiple netw=
ork elements (NEs). In this scenario, the centralized service controller is=
sues "vertical" path setup requests from the controller to all NEs at the s=
ame time ("in parallel"). Each network element receives a segment of the pa=
th for NE itself. This can be done by using PCEP as a transport protocol ca=
rrying either standard or proprietary extensions for services, with other e=
xtensions e.g. draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt to specify alterna=
tives other than RSVP-TE for each NE.

I am in line with you that there is no signaling with an NMS approach, and =
NMS for sure stores service information in some format. My question is if t=
he above scenario or the similar is viewed as somewhat different from an NM=
S based approach.

And also the same question for the Openflow scenario Fatai raised.

Thanks.
Aihua



From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:45 AM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Aihua Guo; Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio and Aihua,

I have the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is "centralized =
signaling".

Could someone point out where we can find the term about "centralized signa=
ling"?

Let's have some brainstorm by giving an example. For example, when a MPLS-T=
E LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we regard this  is "=
centralized signaling"?




Best Regards

Fatai

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of BELOTTI, SERGIO (SER=
GIO)
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM
To: Aihua Guo; Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Aihua,

could you kindly clarify for my knowledge what "PCEP extensions carrying se=
rvice related information" you're referring to?
If you consider RFC 4655, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude d=
istributed signaling as basic method to path setup in a PCE context.
On the other hand , the newly draft considering the possibility to use "oth=
er" path setup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introd=
ucing a specifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use another method =
in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed for path Setup T=
ype field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default  setup method.

I have difficult to understand what you mean with "service provisioning req=
uests may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements v=
ertically and in parallel.". What you mean with vertical and in parallel?
On the other hand I do not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whe=
ther for service info you consider the path setup info.
So I'm still uncomfortable with the term "centralized signaling"  in this c=
ontext.

Thanks
Sergio


From: Aihua Guo [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
Sent: sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26
To: Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

Regarding your comment,
"There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."
"

Today with e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, servi=
ce provisioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all=
 network elements vertically and in parallel. This is IMHO one form of cent=
ralized signaling.

Service provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not includ=
e service related information in the management protocols. Hence I still se=
e a difference between NMS based and centralized signaling. Would it be wor=
th to reflect the difference in the wording with something like this: ?

"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or =
centralized signaling) for set up...."

Thanks.
Aihua

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

I am OK with your suggested wording. Thanks.

Young

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio and Fatai,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">What I consider for &#=
8220;centralized signaling&#8221; is in a scenario where there is a central=
ized service controller and a network consisting of multiple network elemen=
ts (NEs). In this scenario, the centralized service
 controller issues &#8220;vertical&#8221; path setup requests from the cont=
roller to all NEs at the same time (&#8220;in parallel&#8221;). Each networ=
k element receives a segment of the path for NE itself. This can be done by=
 using PCEP as a transport protocol carrying either standard
 or proprietary extensions for services, with other extensions e.g. </span>=
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt to =
specify alternatives other than RSVP-TE for each NE</span><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am in line with you =
that there is no signaling with an NMS approach, and NMS for sure stores se=
rvice information in some format. My question is if the above scenario or t=
he similar is viewed as somewhat different
 from an NMS based approach. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">And also the same ques=
tion for the Openflow scenario Fatai raised.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Fatai Zh=
ang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Aihua Guo; Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Se=
rgio and Aihua,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">I hav=
e the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is &#8220;centralized=
 signaling&#8221;.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Could=
 someone point out where we can find the term about &#8220;centralized sign=
aling&#8221;?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Let&#=
8217;s have some brainstorm by giving an example. For example, when a MPLS-=
TE LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we regard this &nbs=
p;is &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221;?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Best Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Fatai</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aihua Guo; Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Aihua,<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">could you kindly clari=
fy for my knowledge what &#8220;PCEP extensions carrying service related in=
formation&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If you consider RFC 46=
55, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude distributed signaling a=
s basic method to path setup in a PCE context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the other hand , th=
e newly draft considering the possibility to use &#8220;other&#8221; path s=
etup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introducing a sp=
ecifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use
 another method in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed =
for path Setup Type field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default =
&nbsp;setup method.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have difficult to un=
derstand what you mean with &#8220;service provisioning requests may be iss=
ued from a centralized controller to all network elements vertically and in=
 parallel.&#8221;. What you mean with vertical and
 in parallel? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the other hand I do=
 not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whether for service info =
you consider the path setup info.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">So I&#8217;m still unc=
omfortable with the term &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221; &nbsp;in this =
context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lan=
g=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"> Aihua Guo [<a href=3D"mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com">mailto:A=
Guo@advaoptical.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio,</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regarding your comment=
, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8220;</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in my view .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8221;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Today with e.g. PCEP e=
xtensions carrying service related information, service provisioning reques=
ts may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements vert=
ically and in parallel. This is IMHO
 one form of centralized signaling.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Service provisioning c=
an be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not include service related info=
rmation in the management protocols. Hence I still see a difference between=
 NMS based and centralized signaling.
 Would it be worth to reflect the difference in the wording with something =
like this: ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or ce=
ntralized signaling) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio, </span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am OK with your sugg=
ested wording. Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI,=
 SERGIO (SERGIO) [<a href=3D"mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com">mail=
to:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Young, Daniele</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see in line .</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks </span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized signal=
ing: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS based i=
s one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A network imp=
lementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar
 protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sure whethe=
r we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the cas=
e of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity =
(whatever protocol is used). In the case
 of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is something else=
? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example that com=
es to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; The inte=
ntion here was giving some overview of the tools that current transport net=
works have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiatives lik=
e OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I have still proble=
ms with this definition. In my view when you think about to an NMS based pa=
th setup, I have a centralized station that is providing command towards ma=
naged equipment functions that are virtualized
 in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resource reservation&#8221=
; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with normal signaling pro=
tocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management protocol .</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in m=
y view .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain issues=
: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see two ways:=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator of virt=
ual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtual netwo=
rk controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of virtual=
 network controllers on top</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator of phys=
ical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical network con=
trollers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virtual net=
work controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These op=
tions seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture docum=
ent should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architecture=
s need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multiodomain=
: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centralized =
and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distributed (c=
ontrollers speaking MP-BGP with each
 other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks=
 controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to pr=
ovide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and =
B)&#8230;H-PCE like.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
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Hi,

I think the issue is the term 'signaling' is used in two different context.=
 There is definitely RSVP-TE like signaling which is hop by hop from ingres=
s to egress, which is 'horizontal'. That is what most folks are familiar wi=
th and tend to understand signaling from that perspective. On the other han=
d, there are several ways to set up path in a 'vertical' fashion. As Aihua =
indicated, the centralized entity (e.g., PCE +, or SDN controller) can inde=
ed invoke a path setup command to each NE along the path. This vertical ele=
ment of path setup can be regarded as 'signaling' in a broader sense.

Nonetheless, this portion of the charter statement is not really a central =
issue. We are simply discussing some tools available for transport networks=
. This is just a background information. So I suggest we move on with the l=
atest resolution proposed by Sergio. Will this be agreeable?

Thanks,
Young

From: Aihua Guo [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:36 AM
To: Fatai Zhang; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio and Fatai,

What I consider for "centralized signaling" is in a scenario where there is=
 a centralized service controller and a network consisting of multiple netw=
ork elements (NEs). In this scenario, the centralized service controller is=
sues "vertical" path setup requests from the controller to all NEs at the s=
ame time ("in parallel"). Each network element receives a segment of the pa=
th for NE itself. This can be done by using PCEP as a transport protocol ca=
rrying either standard or proprietary extensions for services, with other e=
xtensions e.g. draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt to specify alterna=
tives other than RSVP-TE for each NE.

I am in line with you that there is no signaling with an NMS approach, and =
NMS for sure stores service information in some format. My question is if t=
he above scenario or the similar is viewed as somewhat different from an NM=
S based approach.

And also the same question for the Openflow scenario Fatai raised.

Thanks.
Aihua



From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:45 AM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Aihua Guo; Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio and Aihua,

I have the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is "centralized =
signaling".

Could someone point out where we can find the term about "centralized signa=
ling"?

Let's have some brainstorm by giving an example. For example, when a MPLS-T=
E LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we regard this  is "=
centralized signaling"?




Best Regards

Fatai

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of BELOTTI, SERGIO (SER=
GIO)
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM
To: Aihua Guo; Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Aihua,

could you kindly clarify for my knowledge what "PCEP extensions carrying se=
rvice related information" you're referring to?
If you consider RFC 4655, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude d=
istributed signaling as basic method to path setup in a PCE context.
On the other hand , the newly draft considering the possibility to use "oth=
er" path setup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introd=
ucing a specifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use another method =
in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed for path Setup T=
ype field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default  setup method.

I have difficult to understand what you mean with "service provisioning req=
uests may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements v=
ertically and in parallel.". What you mean with vertical and in parallel?
On the other hand I do not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whe=
ther for service info you consider the path setup info.
So I'm still uncomfortable with the term "centralized signaling"  in this c=
ontext.

Thanks
Sergio


From: Aihua Guo [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
Sent: sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26
To: Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

Regarding your comment,
"There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."
"

Today with e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, servi=
ce provisioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all=
 network elements vertically and in parallel. This is IMHO one form of cent=
ralized signaling.

Service provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not includ=
e service related information in the management protocols. Hence I still se=
e a difference between NMS based and centralized signaling. Would it be wor=
th to reflect the difference in the wording with something like this: ?

"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or =
centralized signaling) for set up...."

Thanks.
Aihua

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

I am OK with your suggested wording. Thanks.

Young

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think the issue is t=
he term &#8216;signaling&#8217; is used in two different context. There is =
definitely RSVP-TE like signaling which is hop by hop from ingress to egres=
s, which is &#8216;horizontal&#8217;. That is what most folks
 are familiar with and tend to understand signaling from that perspective. =
On the other hand, there are several ways to set up path in a &#8216;vertic=
al&#8217; fashion. As Aihua indicated, the centralized entity (e.g., PCE &#=
43;, or SDN controller) can indeed invoke a path
 setup command to each NE along the path. This vertical element of path set=
up can be regarded as &#8216;signaling&#8217; in a broader sense.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Nonetheless, this port=
ion of the charter statement is not really a central issue. We are simply d=
iscussing some tools available for transport networks. This is just a backg=
round information. So I suggest we move
 on with the latest resolution proposed by Sergio. Will this be agreeable?<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Aihua Gu=
o [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fatai Zhang; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio and Fatai,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">What I consider for &#=
8220;centralized signaling&#8221; is in a scenario where there is a central=
ized service controller and a network consisting of multiple network elemen=
ts (NEs). In this scenario, the centralized service
 controller issues &#8220;vertical&#8221; path setup requests from the cont=
roller to all NEs at the same time (&#8220;in parallel&#8221;). Each networ=
k element receives a segment of the path for NE itself. This can be done by=
 using PCEP as a transport protocol carrying either standard
 or proprietary extensions for services, with other extensions e.g. draft-s=
ivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt to specify alternatives other than RSVP-=
TE for each NE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am in line with you =
that there is no signaling with an NMS approach, and NMS for sure stores se=
rvice information in some format. My question is if the above scenario or t=
he similar is viewed as somewhat different
 from an NMS based approach. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">And also the same ques=
tion for the Openflow scenario Fatai raised.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Fatai Zh=
ang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Aihua Guo; Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Se=
rgio and Aihua,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">I hav=
e the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is &#8220;centralized=
 signaling&#8221;.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Could=
 someone point out where we can find the term about &#8220;centralized sign=
aling&#8221;?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Let&#=
8217;s have some brainstorm by giving an example. For example, when a MPLS-=
TE LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we regard this &nbs=
p;is &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221;?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Best Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Fatai</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aihua Guo; Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Aihua,<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">could you kindly clari=
fy for my knowledge what &#8220;PCEP extensions carrying service related in=
formation&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If you consider RFC 46=
55, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude distributed signaling a=
s basic method to path setup in a PCE context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the other hand , th=
e newly draft considering the possibility to use &#8220;other&#8221; path s=
etup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introducing a sp=
ecifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use
 another method in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed =
for path Setup Type field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default =
&nbsp;setup method.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have difficult to un=
derstand what you mean with &#8220;service provisioning requests may be iss=
ued from a centralized controller to all network elements vertically and in=
 parallel.&#8221;. What you mean with vertical and
 in parallel? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the other hand I do=
 not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whether for service info =
you consider the path setup info.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">So I&#8217;m still unc=
omfortable with the term &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221; &nbsp;in this =
context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lan=
g=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"> Aihua Guo [<a href=3D"mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com">mailto:A=
Guo@advaoptical.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio,</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regarding your comment=
, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8220;</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in my view .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8221;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Today with e.g. PCEP e=
xtensions carrying service related information, service provisioning reques=
ts may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements vert=
ically and in parallel. This is IMHO
 one form of centralized signaling.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Service provisioning c=
an be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not include service related info=
rmation in the management protocols. Hence I still see a difference between=
 NMS based and centralized signaling.
 Would it be worth to reflect the difference in the wording with something =
like this: ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or ce=
ntralized signaling) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio, </span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am OK with your sugg=
ested wording. Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI,=
 SERGIO (SERGIO) [<a href=3D"mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com">mail=
to:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Young, Daniele</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see in line .</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks </span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized signal=
ing: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS based i=
s one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A network imp=
lementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar
 protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sure whethe=
r we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the cas=
e of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity =
(whatever protocol is used). In the case
 of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is something else=
? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example that com=
es to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; The inte=
ntion here was giving some overview of the tools that current transport net=
works have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiatives lik=
e OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I have still proble=
ms with this definition. In my view when you think about to an NMS based pa=
th setup, I have a centralized station that is providing command towards ma=
naged equipment functions that are virtualized
 in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resource reservation&#8221=
; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with normal signaling pro=
tocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management protocol .</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in m=
y view .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain issues=
: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see two ways:=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator of virt=
ual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtual netwo=
rk controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of virtual=
 network controllers on top</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator of phys=
ical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical network con=
trollers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virtual net=
work controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These op=
tions seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture docum=
ent should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architecture=
s need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multiodomain=
: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centralized =
and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distributed (c=
ontrollers speaking MP-BGP with each
 other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks=
 controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to pr=
ovide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and =
B)&#8230;H-PCE like.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual netwo=
rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Data Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transp=
ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;line-height:150%;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding lang=
uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will determine if new proto=
col extensions are necessary. If the working group determines
 they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within the work=
ing group where necessary, while interacting with other working groups to e=
nhance existing protocols where possible.
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Agree. It's not a major topic and the clarification of signaling can be sou=
ght separately.

Aihua

From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:35 PM
To: Aihua Guo; Fatai Zhang; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

I think the issue is the term 'signaling' is used in two different context.=
 There is definitely RSVP-TE like signaling which is hop by hop from ingres=
s to egress, which is 'horizontal'. That is what most folks are familiar wi=
th and tend to understand signaling from that perspective. On the other han=
d, there are several ways to set up path in a 'vertical' fashion. As Aihua =
indicated, the centralized entity (e.g., PCE +, or SDN controller) can inde=
ed invoke a path setup command to each NE along the path. This vertical ele=
ment of path setup can be regarded as 'signaling' in a broader sense.

Nonetheless, this portion of the charter statement is not really a central =
issue. We are simply discussing some tools available for transport networks=
. This is just a background information. So I suggest we move on with the l=
atest resolution proposed by Sergio. Will this be agreeable?

Thanks,
Young

From: Aihua Guo [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:36 AM
To: Fatai Zhang; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio and Fatai,

What I consider for "centralized signaling" is in a scenario where there is=
 a centralized service controller and a network consisting of multiple netw=
ork elements (NEs). In this scenario, the centralized service controller is=
sues "vertical" path setup requests from the controller to all NEs at the s=
ame time ("in parallel"). Each network element receives a segment of the pa=
th for NE itself. This can be done by using PCEP as a transport protocol ca=
rrying either standard or proprietary extensions for services, with other e=
xtensions e.g. draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt to specify alterna=
tives other than RSVP-TE for each NE.

I am in line with you that there is no signaling with an NMS approach, and =
NMS for sure stores service information in some format. My question is if t=
he above scenario or the similar is viewed as somewhat different from an NM=
S based approach.

And also the same question for the Openflow scenario Fatai raised.

Thanks.
Aihua



From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:45 AM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Aihua Guo; Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio and Aihua,

I have the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is "centralized =
signaling".

Could someone point out where we can find the term about "centralized signa=
ling"?

Let's have some brainstorm by giving an example. For example, when a MPLS-T=
E LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we regard this  is "=
centralized signaling"?




Best Regards

Fatai

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of BELOTTI, SERGIO (SER=
GIO)
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM
To: Aihua Guo; Leeyoung
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Aihua,

could you kindly clarify for my knowledge what "PCEP extensions carrying se=
rvice related information" you're referring to?
If you consider RFC 4655, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude d=
istributed signaling as basic method to path setup in a PCE context.
On the other hand , the newly draft considering the possibility to use "oth=
er" path setup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introd=
ucing a specifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use another method =
in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed for path Setup T=
ype field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default  setup method.

I have difficult to understand what you mean with "service provisioning req=
uests may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements v=
ertically and in parallel.". What you mean with vertical and in parallel?
On the other hand I do not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whe=
ther for service info you consider the path setup info.
So I'm still uncomfortable with the term "centralized signaling"  in this c=
ontext.

Thanks
Sergio


From: Aihua Guo [mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com]
Sent: sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26
To: Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

Regarding your comment,
"There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."
"

Today with e.g. PCEP extensions carrying service related information, servi=
ce provisioning requests may be issued from a centralized controller to all=
 network elements vertically and in parallel. This is IMHO one form of cent=
ralized signaling.

Service provisioning can be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not includ=
e service related information in the management protocols. Hence I still se=
e a difference between NMS based and centralized signaling. Would it be wor=
th to reflect the difference in the wording with something like this: ?

"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or =
centralized signaling) for set up...."

Thanks.
Aihua

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Cc: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Sergio,

I am OK with your suggested wording. Thanks.

Young

From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Leeyoung
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young, Daniele

Please see in line .

Thanks
Sergio


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

Thanks for providing your good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is f=
or charter discussion while the others (2 & 3) are architecture discussion.=
 As a few folks are already working on the architecture document, we may st=
art a new email thread on architecture discussion while developing the draf=
t.

Please see inline for my response.

Regards,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Dhruv, Young,

Excellent progresses!
Let me just add some notes/questions.
I'm collecting them here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread =
is becoming pretty complex.


1.      On centralized signaling: We need to clearly state what centralized=
 signaling means. NMS based is one of the possibilities but it's not limite=
d to NMS. A network implementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar protoc=
ol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I'm not sure whether we can spea=
k about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the case of NMS we u=
se the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity (whatever pro=
tocol is used). In the case of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management=
 plane or is something else? Please note that I speak about OF as it's the =
only example that comes to my mind but any other possibility can/must be co=
nsidered.

YOUNG>> The intention here was giving some overview of the tools that curre=
nt transport networks have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other=
 initiatives like OF and even PCE based signaling in a research circle that=
 can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromise would be p=
utting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:

Allow for distributed signaling or centralized signaling (e.g., an NMS-base=
d, etc.) for set up...."

SB> I have still problems with this definition. In my view when you think a=
bout to an NMS based path setup, I have a centralized station that is provi=
ding command towards managed equipment functions that are virtualized in a =
MIB , and these command provide the "resource reservation" phase (not only =
but just to make the comparison with normal signaling protocol) using a "ve=
rtical" management protocol .
There is no signaling in my view .
Another case is PCE: PCE is providing path computation phase , and can expl=
oit on a distributed control plane to make a signaling of the setup calcula=
ted. But again , it is not a centralized signaling , signaling is distribut=
ed , it is the routing, if anything,  that is centralized in my view.

So I would suggest to delete the term signaling associated to centralized a=
nd change the sentence into:
"Allow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) fo=
r set up...."



2.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.


3.      Again on multiodomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draf=
t saying what is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exc=
hange could be distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) wh=
ile provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controlle=
r A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a pa=
th within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE=
 like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please see inline..

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


[Dhruv]: Yes that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing 'in the do=
cument'/'of this draft'.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

[Dhruv]: That works!
----------------------------

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to - "The working group will determine if=
 new protocol or extensions to existing protocols are necessary. If the wor=
king group determines they are necessary, then it will develop new protocol=
s within the working group, on the other hand any extensions to existing pr=
otocols would be done  with interactions with other working groups where po=
ssible."

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
[Dhruv]: Refer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the =
data tracker and charter diff tool can help track it better.
This version has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
Regards,
Dhruv
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Agree. It&#8217;s not =
a major topic and the clarification of signaling can be sought separately.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung=
 [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aihua Guo; Fatai Zhang; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> actn@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think the issue is t=
he term &#8216;signaling&#8217; is used in two different context. There is =
definitely RSVP-TE like signaling which is hop by hop from ingress to egres=
s, which is &#8216;horizontal&#8217;. That is what most folks
 are familiar with and tend to understand signaling from that perspective. =
On the other hand, there are several ways to set up path in a &#8216;vertic=
al&#8217; fashion. As Aihua indicated, the centralized entity (e.g., PCE &#=
43;, or SDN controller) can indeed invoke a path
 setup command to each NE along the path. This vertical element of path set=
up can be regarded as &#8216;signaling&#8217; in a broader sense.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Nonetheless, this port=
ion of the charter statement is not really a central issue. We are simply d=
iscussing some tools available for transport networks. This is just a backg=
round information. So I suggest we move
 on with the latest resolution proposed by Sergio. Will this be agreeable?<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Aihua Gu=
o [<a href=3D"mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com">mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fatai Zhang; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio and Fatai,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">What I consider for &#=
8220;centralized signaling&#8221; is in a scenario where there is a central=
ized service controller and a network consisting of multiple network elemen=
ts (NEs). In this scenario, the centralized service
 controller issues &#8220;vertical&#8221; path setup requests from the cont=
roller to all NEs at the same time (&#8220;in parallel&#8221;). Each networ=
k element receives a segment of the path for NE itself. This can be done by=
 using PCEP as a transport protocol carrying either standard
 or proprietary extensions for services, with other extensions e.g. draft-s=
ivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt to specify alternatives other than RSVP-=
TE for each NE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am in line with you =
that there is no signaling with an NMS approach, and NMS for sure stores se=
rvice information in some format. My question is if the above scenario or t=
he similar is viewed as somewhat different
 from an NMS based approach. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">And also the same ques=
tion for the Openflow scenario Fatai raised.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Fatai Zh=
ang [<a href=3D"mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com">mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com<=
/a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Aihua Guo; Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Se=
rgio and Aihua,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">I hav=
e the same feeling as Sergio , ie, I am not sure what is &#8220;centralized=
 signaling&#8221;.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Could=
 someone point out where we can find the term about &#8220;centralized sign=
aling&#8221;?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Let&#=
8217;s have some brainstorm by giving an example. For example, when a MPLS-=
TE LSP is to be created by the Openflow controller, can we regard this &nbs=
p;is &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221;?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Best Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Fatai</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp=
;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aihua Guo; Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Aihua,<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">could you kindly clari=
fy for my knowledge what &#8220;PCEP extensions carrying service related in=
formation&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If you consider RFC 46=
55, I do not see any architecture hint that exclude distributed signaling a=
s basic method to path setup in a PCE context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the other hand , th=
e newly draft considering the possibility to use &#8220;other&#8221; path s=
etup method (draft-sivabalan-pce-lsp-setup-type-02.txt) is introducing a sp=
ecifc TLV that you need to add if you want to use
 another method in your architecture. In fact , the default value proposed =
for path Setup Type field is 0 , implicitly considering RSVP_TE as default =
&nbsp;setup method.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I have difficult to un=
derstand what you mean with &#8220;service provisioning requests may be iss=
ued from a centralized controller to all network elements vertically and in=
 parallel.&#8221;. What you mean with vertical and
 in parallel? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On the other hand I do=
 not see when an NMS does not carry service info, whether for service info =
you consider the path setup info.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">So I&#8217;m still unc=
omfortable with the term &#8220;centralized signaling&#8221; &nbsp;in this =
context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lan=
g=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"> Aihua Guo [<a href=3D"mailto:AGuo@advaoptical.com">mailto:A=
Guo@advaoptical.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> sabato 13 settembre 2014 00:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio,</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regarding your comment=
, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8220;</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in my view .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&#8221;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Today with e.g. PCEP e=
xtensions carrying service related information, service provisioning reques=
ts may be issued from a centralized controller to all network elements vert=
ically and in parallel. This is IMHO
 one form of centralized signaling.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Service provisioning c=
an be made through NMS, and NMS may or may not include service related info=
rmation in the management protocols. Hence I still see a difference between=
 NMS based and centralized signaling.
 Would it be worth to reflect the difference in the wording with something =
like this: ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based or ce=
ntralized signaling) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Aihua</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a>; Daniele Cecc=
arelli; Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Sergio, </span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am OK with your sugg=
ested wording. Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BELOTTI,=
 SERGIO (SERGIO) [<a href=3D"mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com">mail=
to:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Young, Daniele</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see in line .</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks </span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sergio</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 17:08<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org=
">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Daniele,</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for providing y=
our good comments here. Some of your comment (1) is for charter discussion =
while the others (2 &amp; 3) are architecture discussion. As a few folks ar=
e already working on the architecture document,
 we may start a new email thread on architecture discussion while developin=
g the draft.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see inline for =
my response.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele =
Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">mailto:danie=
le.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dhruv, Young,</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Excellent progresses!<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Let me just add some n=
otes/questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m collecting t=
hem here and not inline as the reading of the whole thread is becoming pret=
ty complex.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On centralized signal=
ing: We need to clearly state what centralized signaling means. NMS based i=
s one of the possibilities but it&#8217;s not limited to NMS. A network imp=
lementing e.g. Open Flow or any other similar
 protocol should be considered as well IMHO. Here I&#8217;m not sure whethe=
r we can speak about centralized signaling in both cases or not. In the cas=
e of NMS we use the management plane to dynamically provision connectivity =
(whatever protocol is used). In the case
 of e.g. Open Flow can we speak about management plane or is something else=
? Please note that I speak about OF as it&#8217;s the only example that com=
es to my mind but any other possibility can/must be considered.</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; The inte=
ntion here was giving some overview of the tools that current transport net=
works have. Of course thing are quickly changing with other initiatives lik=
e OF and even PCE based signaling in a research
 circle that can be viewed as centralized signaling. Perhaps good compromis=
e would be putting NMS based as an example. How about restating like:</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Allow for distributed signaling or central=
ized signaling (e.g., an NMS-based, etc.) for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">SB&gt; I have still proble=
ms with this definition. In my view when you think about to an NMS based pa=
th setup, I have a centralized station that is providing command towards ma=
naged equipment functions that are virtualized
 in a MIB , and these command provide the &#8220;resource reservation&#8221=
; phase (not only but just to make the comparison with normal signaling pro=
tocol) using a &#8220;vertical&#8221; management protocol .</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">There is no signaling in m=
y view .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">Another case is PCE: PCE i=
s providing path computation phase , and can exploit on a distributed contr=
ol plane to make a signaling of the setup calculated. But again , it is not=
 a centralized signaling , signaling
 is distributed , it is the routing, if anything, &nbsp;that is centralized=
 in my view.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">So I would suggest to dele=
te the term signaling associated to centralized and change the sentence int=
o:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">&#8220;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">A=
llow for distributed signaling or centralized model (e.g.an NMS-based) for =
set up&#8230;.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain issues=
: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see two ways:=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator of virt=
ual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtual netwo=
rk controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of virtual=
 network controllers on top</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:=
7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator of phys=
ical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical network con=
trollers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virtual net=
work controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These op=
tions seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture docum=
ent should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architecture=
s need to be considered as a starting point.
 There may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial =
baseline architecture.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Again on multiodomain=
: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying what is centralized =
and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be distributed (c=
ontrollers speaking MP-BGP with each
 other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks=
 controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks controller B to pr=
ovide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossing domains A and =
B)&#8230;H-PCE like.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
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4.0pt">
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dhruv Dhody<br>
<b>Sent:</b> venerd=EC 12 settembre 2014 04:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Please see inline..
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments on the proposed =
charter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in charter also to =
specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clarify the scope. =
Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Problem Statement=
 draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-prob=
lem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeking-actn-problem=
-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">Transport networks are=
 defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; provides =
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; are chara=
cterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;prov=
isioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such=
 that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Transport=
 networks in this document refer to a set of different<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; type of c=
onnection-oriented networks, which include Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented =
Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;leas=
t the following transport networks are in scope of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; discussio=
n of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Opti=
cal Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Netw=
orks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">&nbsp;&nbsp; network t=
echnologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Yes=
 that would be good with Eve suggestion and removing &#8216;in the document=
&#8217;/&#8217;of this draft&#8217;.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks have a variety=
 of mechanisms to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separation of data p=
lane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distributed or centra=
lized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic engineering mec=
hanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized signaling&#8217; i=
s confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can reword the secon=
d point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-based centralized=
 signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: That works!
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">----------------=
------------</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture work will lead t=
o requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the v=
irtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers
 and between the virtual network controller and multi-tenant customer contr=
ollers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8220;multi-domai=
n coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&#8221; to expli=
citly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer controllers doesn&#821=
7;t convey
 the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenant, how =
about&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture work will lead to =
requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vir=
tual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain coordinator)
 and the physical network domain controllers and between the virtual networ=
k controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds good to me. Than=
ks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group will determine =
if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working group determines t=
hey are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols within
 the working group where necessary, while interacting with other working gr=
oups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as it&#8217;s not =
clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or new protocol a=
nd where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensions is mentioned
 as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol extensions mean=
 a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per se) that cannot=
 be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some areas where we
 need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to interact =
with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP WG is ch=
artered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG needs to=
 be informed of the protocol changes.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: How about we reword this to &#821=
1; &#8220;The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to=
 existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
 are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working group=
, on the other hand any extensions to existing protocols would be done&nbsp=
; with interactions with other working groups where possible.&#8221;</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* You may w=
ant to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care of word-wr=
aps and indentation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&g=
t; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv]: Re=
fer attachment, this format would help when we upload it to the data tracke=
r and charter diff tool can help track it better. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">This versio=
n has all the changes suggested by me and Eve.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful in making the ch=
arter text crisp.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. Thanks a lot for=
 your review and great comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, I forgot the Su=
bject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the subject.</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope your summer break was a good one. <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#8217;d like to give you some updates and plans o=
n the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meet=
ing. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of the due diligence. Her=
e&#8217;s an initial charter draft developed by
 the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussions and use-c=
ases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this captures a workable =
ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wiki=
:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated =
to come up with a good charter developed by the community of interest. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Young (on behalf of the proponents) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 ---=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;line-height:150%;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for enabling flexible =
and dynamic networking, and efficient control and recovery
 of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these technologies prov=
ide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary, they do n=
ot meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in multi-doma=
in transport networks. More and more
 network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport net=
works. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of a diff=
erent technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establi=
shment of end-to-end connections
 spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of =
both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and interope=
rability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to these issues, =
new services that require connections
 that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and often manual =
operations to interface different vendor equipment and technology.
</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (AC=
TN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network operation:
 the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to view and c=
ontrol multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstra=
ction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate their netw=
ork services into multi-tenant virtual
 transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of new dynam=
ic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operations and sc=
aling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also highlighted =
a need for virtual network operation
 based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor domains.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built =
on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level =
architecture for transport network abstraction and control
 that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across multi-tenan=
t customers (primarily internal service organizations with respect to a net=
work operator), the virtual network control and the physical network domain=
 controls as well as a horizontal
 E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify ke=
y building components and the corresponding interfaces among these componen=
ts.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
 requirements for information models and protocol extensions between the vi=
rtual network controller and the physical network domain controllers</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
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rk controller
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer controllers</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases from operators pe=
rspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization are=
 critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the
 deliverables of the working group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The working group will work on the following =
items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks=
 to enable transport network virtualization to support use
 cases.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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s-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items=
:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet =
Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
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pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
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lor:black">Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-=
technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
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ort network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual
 circuit services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,=
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
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pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain=
 controls and virtual network control.
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pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Ro=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Dyna=
mic service control and monitoring across all entities.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within t=
he working group will be limited to a single operator administrative
 domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
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pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:black">Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use ca=
ses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lor:black">Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and =
data models</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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uages and data models to fulfill the requirements.
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All, the latest version (1.1) is now available on the Wiki:

https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal

Br, Dan.

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 12 September 2014 22:25
To: actn@ietf.org
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.1

Hi,

We have had pretty good discussions on ACTN charter 1.0. Thanks to all who =
provided good comments and suggestions.

At the close of the week, I had chance to update the charter (v1.1) based o=
n agree-upon discussion points (there are still some unresolved points).
Here's the output. Please refer to this version for any subsequent discussi=
ons. Also attached is the Word document that shows the diff marks. I may ha=
ve missed some points you raised. Please raise them again if that is the ca=
se.

Thanks & have a good weekend!

Young

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:01 PM
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mail=
to:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Daniele,

I think Segment Routing is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks=
, but not sure if it in itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From =
a signaling standpoint, it may be regarded as a derivative of MPLS-TE. Plea=
se correct if I am wrong.

Thanks,
Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ie=
tf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Good catch Eve,

Could we include also segment routing into the list of connection oriented =
technologies? I don't know whether it could be considered as part of the MP=
LS-TE or not (don't think so).

BR
Daniele

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Varma, Eve L (Eve)
Sent: gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09
To: Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi,

Just a quick terminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1,=
 when it is both L1 and L0 :)  So I would suggest to reword as "This implie=
s that at least the following transport networks are in scope of the discus=
sion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., O=
TN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging network tech=
nologies with connection-oriented behavior".

Best regards,
Eve

From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM
To: Dhruv Dhody; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for providing your valuable comment.

Please see inline for my response. Thanks.

Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Leeyoung; Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: ACTN charter v1.0

Hi Young,

Please find some comments on the proposed charter.

* Do we need some text in charter also to specify what we consider as Trans=
port networks?

YOUNG>> That may clarify the scope. Do you have any suggestion?  One defini=
tion from the Problem Statement draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-leeking-actn-problem-statement/) is as follows. Would this be good enoug=
h or need more work?

Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that
   provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They
   are characterized by their ability to support server layer
   provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer services,
   such that resource guarantees may be provided to their customers.
   Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different
   type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-
   Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
   Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
   least the following transport networks are in scope of the
   discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched Optical
   Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerging
   network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.


* "Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:
-               Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
-               Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path se=
tup and protection, and
-               Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path =
computation."

Term 'centralized signaling' is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NM=
S?

YOUNG>> Yes. We can reword the second point: "Allow for distributed signali=
ng or an NMS-based centralized signaling for set up...."

* "The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers."

It would be nice to add "multi-domain coordinator" with "virtual network co=
ntroller" to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer cont=
rollers doesn't convey the intention to have different customer controllers=
 for each tenant, how about...

"The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models and=
 protocol extensions between the virtual network controller (embedded in a =
multi-domain coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and b=
etween the virtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controll=
ers."

YOUNG>> This sounds good to me. Thanks.

* "The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessar=
y. If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop=
 the new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interact=
ing with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.=
"

Suggest to re-word this as it's not clear - is it about extension to existi=
ng protocols or new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Pr=
otocol extensions is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering.

YOUNG>> New protocol extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, "ACTN" prot=
ocol per se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may=
 be some areas where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such cas=
e, we need to interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would=
 be that CCAMP WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies=
 while OSPF WG needs to be informed of the protocol changes.

* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking care=
 of word-wraps and indentation
YOUNG>> Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
Hope you find them useful in making the charter text crisp.

YOUNG>> Definitely. Thanks a lot for your review and great comments.

Dhruv


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leeyoung
Sent: 10 September 2014 04:53
To: Leeyoung; actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0

Sorry, I forgot the Subject of this email. Here's a retransmission with the=
 subject.

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject:

Hi,

I hope your summer break was a good one.

We'd like to give you some updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going=
 to request a formal BoF in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a c=
harter draft as part of the due diligence. Here's an initial charter draft =
developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the discussio=
ns and use-cases and other published documents.  We hope this captures a wo=
rkable ACTN scope.  This version 1.0 draft charter is also posted in the wi=
ki: https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor

Your review and comment will be greatly appreciated to come up with a good =
charter developed by the community of interest.

Best regards,
Young (on behalf of the proponents)

-------------------------------draft charter 1.0 --------------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

-       Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

-       Allow for distributed or centralized signaling  for path setup and =
protection, and

-       Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computat=
ion.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic networki=
ng, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although these technol=
ogies provide significant benefits within a single domain control boundary,=
 they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization in =
multi-domain transport networks. More and more network operators are buildi=
ng and operating on multi-domain transport networks. These domains (collect=
ions of links and nodes) may be each of a different technology, administrat=
ive zones, or vendor-specific islands. Establishment of end-to-end connecti=
ons spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators because =
of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) and inter=
operability issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, ne=
w services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need sig=
nificant planning and often manual operations to interface different vendor=
 equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to facil=
itate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a virtualize=
d environment allowing operators to view and control multi-subnet, multi-te=
chnology, multi-vendor domain networks. Abstraction of transport networks a=
lso allows operators to consolidate their network services into multi-tenan=
t virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of =
new dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operatio=
ns and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also hig=
hlighted a need for virtual network operation based on the abstraction of u=
nderlying technology and vendor domains.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control hi=
erarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with each domain control=
ler (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN controller) for abstractin=
g network resource information to provide virtual network control functions=
. This virtual network control functions are embedded in a multi-domain net=
work coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to create=
 and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport netw=
ork resources.


The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture for t=
ransport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless vertical=
 service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily internal ser=
vice organizations with respect to a network operator), the virtual network=
 control and the physical network domain controls as well as a horizontal E=
2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify key =
building components and the corresponding interfaces among these components=
.  The architecture work will lead to requirements for information models a=
nd protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and the physi=
cal network domain controllers and between the virtual network controller a=
nd multi-tenant customer controllers. Well-defined use cases from operators=
 perspective with clearly stated need for transport network virtualization =
are critical in scoping the work and thus to achieve the deliverables of th=
e working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

-       High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to=
 enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

-       Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:

o   Virtual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical=
 Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)

o   Virtual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technol=
ogy transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)

o   Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport network i=
nfrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.

o   Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtua=
l network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.

o   Synchronization of network resources view across physical domain contro=
ls and virtual network control.

o   Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single operator =
administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center operation use c=
ase.

-       Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases=
.

-       Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and dat=
a models

-       Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languag=
es and data models to fulfill the requirements.

-       Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering).

The working group will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. =
If the working group determines they are necessary, then it will develop th=
e new protocols within the working group where necessary, while interacting=
 with other working groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Br, Dan. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"color:#1F=
497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2014 22:25<br>
<b>To:</b> actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">We have=
 had pretty good discussions on ACTN charter 1.0. Thanks to all who provide=
d good comments and suggestions.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">At the =
close of the week, I had chance to update the charter (v1.1) based on agree=
-upon discussion points (there are still some unresolved points). &nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Here&#8=
217;s the output. Please refer to this version for any subsequent discussio=
ns. Also attached is the Word document that shows the diff marks. I may hav=
e missed some points you raised. Please raise
 them again if that is the case. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
&amp; have a good weekend!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 2:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli; Varma, Eve L (Eve); Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"=
mailto:actn@ietf.org">
actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dani=
ele,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think=
 Segment Routing is a TE technique that can improve MPLS-TE networks, but n=
ot sure if it in itself is a connection-oriented technologies. From a signa=
ling standpoint, it may be regarded as
 a derivative of MPLS-TE. Please correct if I am wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Daniele Ceccarelli [<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccare=
lli@ericsson.com">mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 12, 2014 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Varma, Eve L (Eve); Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:act=
n@ietf.org">
actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Good ca=
tch Eve,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Could w=
e include also segment routing into the list of connection oriented technol=
ogies? I don&#8217;t know whether it could be considered as part of the MPL=
S-TE or not (don&#8217;t think so).</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Varma, Eve L (Eve)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> gioved=EC 11 settembre 2014 18:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@iet=
f.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a quick te=
rminology comment - the wording below infers OTN is only L1, when it is bot=
h L1 and L0
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings=
;color:#1F497D">J</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; So I wo=
uld suggest to reword as &#8220;This implies that at least the following
 transport networks are in scope of the discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (=
L1) and Layer 0 (L0) optical networks (e.g., OTN ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, M=
PLS-TE, as well as other emerging network technologies with connection-orie=
nted behavior&#8221;.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Eve
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dhruv Dhody; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhru=
v,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for providing your valuable comment.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please =
see inline for my response. Thanks.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dhody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.o=
rg</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN charter v1.0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please find some comments o=
n the proposed charter.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* Do we need some text in c=
harter also to specify what we consider as Transport networks?
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; That may clar=
ify the scope. Do you have any suggestion? &nbsp;One definition from the Pr=
oblem Statement draft (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-le=
eking-actn-problem-statement/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leeki=
ng-actn-problem-statement/</a>)
 is as follows. Would this be good enough or need more work? </span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">T=
ransport networks are defined as network infrastructure that<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; provides connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; are characterized by their ability to support server layer
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;provisioning and traffic engineering for client layer serv=
ices,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;such that resource guarantees may be provided to their cus=
tomers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Transport networks in this document refer to a set of different=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; type of connection-oriented networks, which include Connection-=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;least the following transport networks are in scope of the=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; discussion of this draft: Layer 1 (L1) optical networks (e.g.,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Optical Transport Networks (OTN) and Wavelength Switched O=
ptical
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Networks (WSON)), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as well as other emerg=
ing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&=
nbsp;&nbsp; network technologies with connection-oriented behavior.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;Transport networks=
 have a variety of mechanisms to:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Facilitate separ=
ation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow for distri=
buted or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and protection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Provide traffic =
engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.&#8221;</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Term &#8216;centralized sig=
naling&#8217; is confusing to me, do you mean, the use of NMS?</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Yes. We can r=
eword the second point: &#8220;Allow for distributed signaling or an NMS-ba=
sed centralized signaling for set up&#8230;.&#8221;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The architecture w=
ork will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extension=
s between the virtual network controller and the physical network
 domain controllers and between the virtual network controller and multi-te=
nant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">It would be nice to add &#8=
220;multi-domain coordinator&#8221; with &#8220;virtual network controller&=
#8221; to explicitly link them together. Also multi-tenant customer control=
lers doesn&#8217;t
 convey the intention to have different customer controllers for each tenan=
t, how about&#8230;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&#8220;The architecture wor=
k will lead to requirements for information models and protocol extensions =
between the virtual network controller (embedded in a multi-domain
 coordinator) and the physical network domain controllers and between the v=
irtual network controller and multiple tenant customer controllers.&#8221;
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; This sounds g=
ood to me. Thanks.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">* &#8220;The working group =
will determine if new protocol extensions are necessary. If the working gro=
up determines they are necessary, then it will develop the new protocols
 within the working group where necessary, while interacting with other wor=
king groups to enhance existing protocols where possible.&#8221;</span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Suggest to re-word this as =
it&#8217;s not clear &#8211; is it about extension to existing protocols or=
 new protocol and where that work might be taken up. Also Protocol extensio=
ns
 is mentioned as a work item after re-chartering. &nbsp;</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; New protocol =
extensions mean a brand new protocol (say, &#8220;ACTN&#8221; protocol per =
se) that cannot be extended from existing protocols. But there may be some =
areas
 where we need to expand from existing protocols. In such case, we need to =
interact with the corresponding WGs. Perhaps an analogy would be that CCAMP=
 WG is chartered to work on OPSF-TE for specific technologies while OSPF WG=
 needs to be informed of the protocol
 changes. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">* You may want to do charter text formatting in RFC text format taking =
care of word-wraps and indentation</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Not sure what you meant here. Please clarify it for me.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hope you find them useful i=
n making the charter text crisp.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Definitely. T=
hanks a lot for your review and great comments.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Dhruv</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cand=
ara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leeyoung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 September 2014 04:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN charter v1.0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sorry, =
I forgot the Subject of this email. Here&#8217;s a retransmission with the =
subject.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Leeyoung
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I hope your summer break was a =
good one. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We&#8217;d like to give you som=
e updates and plans on the ACTN work. We are going to request a formal BoF =
in Honolulu IETF meeting. In doing so, we need a charter draft as part of t=
he due diligence. Here&#8217;s an initial charter
 draft developed by the small set of proponents of the work based on the di=
scussions and use-cases and other published documents. &nbsp;We hope this c=
aptures a workable ACTN scope. &nbsp;This version 1.0 draft charter is also=
 posted in the wiki:
<a href=3D"https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor">https=
://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-propor</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Your review and comment will be=
 greatly appreciated to come up with a good charter developed by the commun=
ity of interest. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Young (on behalf of the propone=
nts) <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-------------------------------=
draft charter 1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Transport networks have a variety of mec=
hanisms to:</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">F=
acilitate separation of data plane and control plane,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">A=
llow for distributed or centralized signaling&nbsp; for path setup and prot=
ection, and
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">P=
rovide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path computation.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%;background:white"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">These represent key technologies for ena=
bling flexible and dynamic networking, and efficient control
 and recovery of resources. <span style=3D"color:black">Although these tech=
nologies provide significant benefits within a single domain control bounda=
ry, they do not meet the growing need for transport network virtualization =
in multi-domain transport networks.
 More and more network operators are building and operating on multi-domain=
 transport networks. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be =
each of a different technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific is=
lands. Establishment of end-to-end
 connections spanning multiple domains is a perpetual problem for operators=
 because of both operational concerns (control plane and management plane) =
and interoperability issues (control plane and data plane).&nbsp; Due to th=
ese issues, new services that require
 connections that traverse multiple domains need significant planning and o=
ften manual operations to interface different vendor equipment and technolo=
gy.
</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transpo=
rt Networks (ACTN) is to facilitate a centralized virtual network
 operation: the creation of a virtualized environment allowing operators to=
 view and control multi-subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain netwo=
rks. Abstraction of transport networks also allows operators to consolidate=
 their network services into multi-tenant
 virtual transport networks. This will enable rapid service deployment of n=
ew dynamic and elastic services, and will improve overall network operation=
s and scaling of existing services. Discussion with operators has also high=
lighted a need for virtual network
 operation based on the abstraction of underlying technology and vendor dom=
ains.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Multi-domain network coordination function in=
 ACTN is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator
 interacts with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control pl=
ane, SDN controller) for abstracting network resource information to provid=
e virtual network control functions. This virtual network control functions=
 are embedded in a multi-domain
 network coordinator to support various services/clients/applications to cr=
eate and manage their own virtual networks that share the common transport =
network resources.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The ACTN working group will work to develo=
p a high-level architecture for transport network abstraction
 and control that facilitates seamless vertical service coordination across=
 multi-tenant customers (primarily internal service organizations with resp=
ect to a network operator), the virtual network control and the physical ne=
twork domain controls as well as
 a horizontal E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It wil=
l identify key building components and the corresponding interfaces among t=
hese components.&nbsp; The architecture work will lead to</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">requirements for information=
 models and protocol extensions between the virtual network controller and =
the physical network domain controllers</span><span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and between the</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;">
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">virtual network controller
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">and multi-tenant customer=
 controllers</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Well-defined use cases fr=
om operators perspective with clearly stated need for transport network vir=
tualization are critical in scoping the work and thus to
 achieve the deliverables of the working group.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">The working group will work on the following items:</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;line-height:150%=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=
=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:=
150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">High=
-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to enable tran=
sport network virtualization to support use cases.</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:</span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Virt=
ual network control and operation for core transport Packet Optical Integra=
tion (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
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150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Virt=
ual network control and operation for mobile backhaul multi-technology tran=
sport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Data=
 Center Operator&#8217;s interconnection with optical transport network inf=
rastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit services.
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150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Mult=
i-tenant support to allow virtual network information query, virtual networ=
k negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Sync=
hronization of network resources view across physical domain controls and v=
irtual network control.
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lor:black">Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.
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span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Initial work within the working grou=
p will be limited to a single operator administrative domain
 with an exception for the Data Center operation use case. </span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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uation of Information model/data model to support the use cases.</span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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150%;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Gap =
analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languages and data =
models to fulfill the requirements.
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Hi All,=20

Please find version v1.2 of the charter.=20

This version addresses/includes comments from: Dhruv Dhody, Eve Varma, Mike=
 Mossbarger, Nico Wauters, Daniele Ceccarelli, Sergio Belotti, Aihua Guo, R=
ichard Yang, and Xu Yunbin.=20

>>
Transport networks are defined as network infrastructure that provides
connectivity and bandwidth for customer services. They are characterized
by their ability to support server layer provisioning and traffic
engineering for client layer services, such that resource guarantees may
be provided to their customers. Transport networks here refer to a set
of different type of connection-oriented networks, which include
Connection-Oriented Circuit Switched (CO-CS) networks and Connection-
Oriented Packet Switched (CO-PS) networks. This implies that at least
the following transport networks are in scope: Layer 1 (L1) and Layer 0
(L0) optical networks (e.g., OTN, ODU, OCh/WSON), MPLS-TP, MPLS-TE, as
well as other emerging network technologies with connection-oriented
behavior.

Transport networks have a variety of mechanisms to:

- Facilitate separation of data plane and control plane,

- Allow for distributed signaling or centralized models (e.g., NMS-
  based or centralized signaling) for path setup and protection, and

- Provide traffic engineering mechanism via centralized path
  computation.

These represent key technologies for enabling flexible and dynamic
networking, and efficient control and recovery of resources. Although
these technologies provide significant benefits within a single domain
control boundary, they do not meet the growing need for transport
network virtualization in multi-domain transport networks. More and more
network operators are building and operating on multi-domain transport
networks. These domains (collections of links and nodes) may be each of
a different technology, administrative zones, or vendor-specific
islands. Establishment of end-to-end connections spanning multiple
domains is a perpetual problem for operators because of both operational
concerns (control plane and management plane) and interoperability
issues (control plane and data plane).  Due to these issues, new
services that require connections that traverse multiple domains need
significant planning and often manual operations to interface different
vendor equipment and technology.

The aim of Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN) is to
facilitate a centralized virtual network operation: the creation of a
virtualized environment allowing operators to view and control multi-
subnet, multi-technology, multi-vendor domain networks. This will enable
rapid service deployment of new dynamic and elastic services, and will
improve overall network operations and scaling of existing services.
Discussion with operators has also highlighted a need for operation of
virtual networks based on the abstraction of underlying technology and
vendor domains. Abstraction of transport networks also allows operators
to consolidate their network services into multi-tenant virtual
transport networks.

Multi-domain network coordination function in ACTN is built on a control
hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interacts with the control
mechanism for each domain (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN
controller) to represent abstraction of network resources and to provide
control functions for virtual networks. These control functions enable
various services/clients/applications to create and manage their own
virtual networks that share the common transport network resources.

The ACTN working group will work to develop a high-level architecture
for transport network abstraction and control that facilitates seamless
vertical service coordination across multi-tenant customers (primarily
internal service organizations with respect to a network operator), the
control of virtual and physical network domains, as well as a horizontal
E2E service coordination across multi-domain networks. It will identify
key building components and the corresponding interfaces among these
components. Key components can be future building block or legacy
components existing today. The architecture work will lead to
requirements for information models and protocol extensions for
communication between the components.

Well-defined use cases from operators perspective with clearly stated
need for transport network virtualization are critical in scoping the
work and thus to achieve the deliverables of the working group.

The working group will work on the following items:

- High-level architecture that describes the basic building blocks to
  enable transport network virtualization to support use cases.

- Operator-driven use cases to address the following initial items:
  o Control and operation of virtual networks for core transport Packet
    Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
  o Control and operation of virtual networks for mobile backhaul multi-
    technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)
  o Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport
    network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit
    services.
  o Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,
    virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.
  o Synchronization of network resources view across control of physical
    and virtual networks.
  o Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

  Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single
  operator administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center
  operation use case.

- Evaluation of Information model/data model to support the use cases.

- Requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages, and data
  models

- Gap analysis of existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languages
  and data models to fulfil the requirements

- Protocol extensions (if necessary after re-chartering)

- Issues of security, privacy, and trust in mechanisms that provide
  control and abstraction across domain boundaries (and therefore across
  trust boundaries)

The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to
existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working
group; on the other hand, any extensions to existing protocols would be
done with interactions with other working groups where possible.

Where the need for data models is identified, the working group will
first examine data models already developed by other working groups.
<<

The current charter text (and previous versions) is available at https://si=
tes.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal.

Br, Dan.=20



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Hi All,

Please find a new version of the ACTN Charter:

https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal

We are now up to version 1.3. Recent updates include:

- Clearer outline of the ACTN architecture and components
- More detailed description of the work items
- Propose that any protocol work should require a re-charter
- Various NITS and grammar updates

There has been a significant amount of discussion off list, via an informal=
 design team. Please move all discussion online so we can share thoughts an=
d clarifications with all IETF participants.

Br, Dan and Young.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please find a new version of th=
e ACTN Charter:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://sites.google=
.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal">https://sites.google.com/site/actn=
bof/home/charter-proposal</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are now up to version 1.3. R=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Clearer outline of the ACTN a=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- More detailed description of =
the work items<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Propose that any protocol wor=
k should require a re-charter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Various NITS and grammar upda=
tes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">There has been a significant am=
ount of discussion off list, via an informal design team. Please move all d=
iscussion online so we can share thoughts and clarifications with all IETF =
participants. &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Br, Dan and Young. <o:p></o:p><=
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Hi all,

As you'll have seen there is an updated version of a draft charter posted
(https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal).

There is also a formal request for a BoF (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/).

There are quite a number of I-Ds
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/?name=-actn-&activedrafts=on&olddrafts=
on&sort=) but some of them are looking a little stale. It would be good to see
you moving these along a bit.

There has been some busy discussion on the list in the last two weeks. This has
mainly been about the charter text (which is fine) but I would not mind seeing
more discussion about the architecture and problem space.


The IESG will meet on 1st October to discuss all of the BoF proposals, so now is
a good time to express your own opinions about all of this material.

Thanks,
Adrian


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Hi Dhruv,

It has been a long time since the last discussion. Sorry for my very late r=
esponse. Please see inline for my comment.

Please also see the updated framework draft in which architecture section w=
as updated (See Section 6.1 and 6.5):

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework/

Thanks,
Young

From: Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:01 AM
To: Leeyoung; Daniele Ceccarelli; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: ACTN architecture

Hi Young,

Please see inline, look for [Dhruv2].


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 12 September 2014 23:21
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] ACTN architecture

Reposting my architecture considerations and Young's replies in a dedicated=
 thread.




1.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.
[[DanCe]] Agree. Let's keep track of both of them.
[Dhruv]: In the current architecture document we do not use the term 'coord=
inator';
In the charter it says - "Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN =
controller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual=
 network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embe=
dded in a multi-domain network coordinator to support various services/clie=
nts/applications to create and manage their own virtual networks that share=
 the common transport network resources."
To me this reads as the coordinator and virtual network control function ar=
e embedded together. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to =
be studied, we should relax the text in the charter.

YOUNG>> I think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACT=
N. Although Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption=
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC.  I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordinator V=
NC has to deal with multiple VNCs or PNCs with VN proxy function.
[Dhruv 2]:  In my opinion what Daniele suggest is more like -
Daniele Case a:

                 Virtual network Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               VNC           VNC          VNC
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC


Daniele Case b:
                             VNC
                              |
                              |
                 Physical network Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC

Here the key difference is - 'multi-domain coordinator function' to be enga=
ging with VNCs or PNCs in the southbound.

YOUNG 2> Yes. Agree.

>From your description I gather that the 'multi-domain coordinator function'=
 can interact with multiple VNC (case a) or interact with multiple PNC (cas=
e b) which I also think is valid.
Making this look like....
                    Multi-domain Coordinator (parent
                              |               -VNC)
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               VNC           VNC          VNC
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC

  YOUNG 2> This above diagram is basically the same as Daniele's Case a.

                             VNC
                              | (probably embedded
                              |  together)
                   Multi-domain Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
                 PNC          PNC          PNC

     YOUNG 2>  This is very close to Daniele's Case b except the 'Multi-dom=
ain coordinator' is not explicitly defined as Physical Network Coordinator.=
  In the charter description, we embedded the multi-domain coordination fun=
ction as part of VNC. Here VNC and MD coordinator can be decoupled as anoth=
er possibility.  The above diagram is different from Daniele's Case b if we=
 assume the interface between PNCs and the MD coordinator is of physical na=
ture or of virtual nature. If this is of physical nature, then this interfa=
ce may be slightly different from VNC-PNC interface (which we called VPI fo=
r Case a. This is a PNC-PNC interface in a hierarchical fashion, for the la=
ck of a better term PPI interface.  What is the difference between VNC-PNC =
and PNC-PNC interfaces? Since we are dealing with virtualization as the mai=
n charter item, I would prefer to focus on VNC-PNC construct as Case a and =
also for Case b if we were to interpret the interface between MD Coordinato=
r and PNCs is of virtual nature.


For case b (per Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1=
:1) while how the PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is o=
ut of scope of ACTN work in  my view.  In this case, we are only dealing wi=
th the VNC with the PNC coordinator.  Multi-domain coordination is "delegat=
ed" to the PNC level.
[Dhruv 2]: I am not sure what you mean here?

YOUNG 2>  Please see my above comment.

So I think your point is that the current charter is more or less case a's =
perspective.  But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work s=
hould be focused on. Case b is subset of case a.

I am not to sure

The charter text thus seems more closely related to case (b) where a multi-=
domain coordinator interacts with domain controllers (PNC) and this functio=
n resides with virtual network control function.
[Dhruv 2]: Yes.
 YOUNG 2>   Yes, with an understanding that the [VNC+MD Coordinator] is int=
erfacing with PNCs in a virtual manner.

Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying =
is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be=
 distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) while provisioni=
ng could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller A to provisi=
on a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a path within B so=
 to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?
[[DanCe]] The scenarios that come to my mind are more "horizontal". I would=
 say the either the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains  =
(in case of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets the information =
from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other controllers "on be=
half of their domains"


[Dhruv]: I feel this is highly dependent on the physical network controller=
s, if its a PCE it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the=
 controller runs BGP  it may directly interact with other controller. IMHO =
the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this interaction=
, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may not be=
 able to interact with each other directly (different technology, vendor sp=
ecific NMS etc).

YOUNG>> I agree with you on this.

BR
Daniele


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">It has been a long tim=
e since the last discussion. Sorry for my very late response. Please see in=
line for my comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please also see the up=
dated framework draft in which architecture section was updated (See Sectio=
n 6.1 and 6.5):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"http://data=
tracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework/">http://datatracker.i=
etf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Dhruv Dh=
ody
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leeyoung; Daniele Ceccarelli; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: ACTN architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Hi Young,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">Please see inline, look for [Dhruv2].
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2014 23:21<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] ACTN architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Reposting my architect=
ure considerations and Young&#8217;s replies in a dedicated thread.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">a.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These option=
s seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture document =
should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architectures ne=
ed to be considered as a starting point. There
 may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseli=
ne architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] Agree. Let&#=
8217;s keep track of both of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: In the=
 current architecture document we do not use the term &#8216;coordinator&#8=
217;;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">In the charter =
it says &#8211; &#8220;<i>Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources</i=
>.&#8221; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">To me this read=
s as the coordinator and virtual network control function are embedded toge=
ther. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to
 be studied, we should relax the text in the charter. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACTN. Althou=
gh Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC. &nbsp;I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordina=
tor VNC has to deal with multiple VNCs
 or PNCs with VN proxy function. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">[Dhruv 2]: &nbs=
p;In my opinion what Daniele suggest is more like -
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">Daniele Case a:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">Daniele Case b:=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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sp;
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">Here the key difference is &#8211; &#8216;multi-domain coordinator func=
tion&#8217; to be engaging with VNCs or PNCs in the southbound.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9=
93366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9=
93366">YOUNG 2&gt; Yes. Agree.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">From your description I gather that the &#8216;multi-domain coordinator=
 function&#8217; can interact with multiple VNC (case a) or interact with
 multiple PNC (case b) which I also think is valid. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">Making this look like&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multi-domain Coordinator (parent<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&n=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#993366">YOUNG 2&gt; This above diagram is basically the same as=
 Daniele&#8217;s Case a. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
b></p>
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sp;
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp; &nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PNC&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#993366">YOUNG 2&gt; &nbsp;This is very close to Daniele&#8217;s=
 Case b except the &#8216;Multi-domain coordinator&#8217; is not explicitly=
 defined as Physical Network Coordinator. &nbsp;In the charter description,=
 we embedded
 the multi-domain coordination function as part of VNC. Here VNC and MD coo=
rdinator can be decoupled as another possibility. &nbsp;The above diagram i=
s different from Daniele&#8217;s Case b if we assume the interface between =
PNCs and the MD coordinator is of physical
 nature or of virtual nature. If this is of physical nature, then this inte=
rface may be slightly different from VNC-PNC interface (which we called VPI=
 for Case a. This is a PNC-PNC interface in a hierarchical fashion, for the=
 lack of a better term PPI interface.&nbsp;
 What is the difference between VNC-PNC and PNC-PNC interfaces? Since we ar=
e dealing with virtualization as the main charter item, I would prefer to f=
ocus on VNC-PNC construct as Case a and also for Case b if we were to inter=
pret the interface between MD Coordinator
 and PNCs is of virtual nature. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><b><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><b><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">For case b (per=
 Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1:1) while how t=
he PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is
 out of scope of ACTN work in&nbsp; my view.&nbsp; In this case, we are onl=
y dealing with the VNC with the PNC coordinator. &nbsp;Multi-domain coordin=
ation is &#8220;delegated&#8221; to the PNC level. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">[Dhruv 2]: I am=
 not sure what you mean here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><b>YOUNG 2&gt; =
&nbsp;Please see my above comment.
<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">So I think your=
 point is that the current charter is more or less case a&#8217;s perspecti=
ve.&nbsp; But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work
 should be focused on. Case b is subset of case a. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">I am not to sure
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">The charter text thus seems more closely related to case (b) where a mu=
lti-domain coordinator interacts with domain controllers (PNC)
 and this function resides with virtual network control function. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">[Dhruv 2]: Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG 2&=
gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, with an understanding that the [VNC&#43;MD Coordinator=
] is interfacing
 with PNCs in a virtual manner. </span></b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"color:#1F4=
97D">Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft sa=
ying is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange cou=
ld be distributed (controllers speaking
 MP-BGP with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the=
 coordinator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks c=
ontroller B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossi=
ng domains A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] The scenario=
s that come to my mind are more &#8220;horizontal&#8221;. I would say the e=
ither the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains&nbsp; (in c=
ase of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets
 the information from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other c=
ontrollers &#8220;on behalf of their domains&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: I feel=
 this is highly dependent on the physical network controllers, if its a PCE=
 it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the
 controller runs BGP &nbsp;it may directly interact with other controller. =
IMHO the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this intera=
ction, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may n=
ot be able to interact with each other
 directly (different technology, vendor specific NMS etc). <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 agree with you on this.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR<br>
Daniele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Dan,

Thanks for uploading the newer version (1.3) of the charter.

I just wanted to point out that we do actually propose protocol work within=
 the scope. If I rehash the exact working in the update, it reads as follow=
s:

The working group will work on the following items:

- Complete the architecture that describes the basic building blocks to
 enable transport network vitalization to support use cases.

- Complete the specification of operator-driven use cases to address the
 following initial items:
 o Control and operation of virtual networks for core transport Packet
 Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
 o Control and operation of virtual networks for mobile backhaul multi-
 technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)
 o Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport
 network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit
 services.
 o Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.
 o Synchronization of network resources view across control of physical
 and virtual networks.
 o Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

 Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single
 operator administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center
 operation use case.

- Evaluate Information models / data models to support the use cases.

- Develop requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages,
 and data models including issues of security, privacy and trust
 mechanisms that provide control and abstraction across domain
 boundaries (and therefore across trust boundaries).

- Evaluate existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languages and
 data models to fulfill the requirements.

- Develop protocol extensions.

The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to
existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working
group; on the other hand, any extensions to existing protocols would be
done with interactions with other working groups where possible.

Where the need for data models is identified, the working group will
first examine data models already developed by other working groups.

Regards,
Young


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of King, Daniel
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 AM
To: actn@ietf.org
Subject: [Actn] New version of the Charter (v1.3)

Hi All,

Please find a new version of the ACTN Charter:

https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal

We are now up to version 1.3. Recent updates include:

- Clearer outline of the ACTN architecture and components
- More detailed description of the work items
- Propose that any protocol work should require a re-charter
- Various NITS and grammar updates

There has been a significant amount of discussion off list, via an informal=
 design team. Please move all discussion online so we can share thoughts an=
d clarifications with all IETF participants.

Br, Dan and Young.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dan,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for uploading t=
he newer version (1.3) of the charter.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I just wanted to point=
 out that we do actually propose protocol work within the scope. If I rehas=
h the exact working in the update, it reads as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The working group will work on the follow=
ing items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Complete the architecture that describe=
s the basic building blocks to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;enable transport network vitalizati=
on to support use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Complete the specification of operator-=
driven use cases to address the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;following initial items:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Control and operation of virtual =
networks for core transport Packet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., M=
PLS-TP, OTN/WSON)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Control and operation of virtual =
networks for mobile backhaul multi-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP=
 and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Data Center Operator's interconne=
ction with optical transport<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;network infrastructure providers to=
 support dynamic virtual circuit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Multi-tenant support to allow vir=
tual network information query,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;virtual network negotiation, creati=
on/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Synchronization of network resour=
ces view across control of physical<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;and virtual networks.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Dynamic service control and monit=
oring across all entities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;Initial work within the working gro=
up will be limited to a single<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;operator administrative domain with=
 an exception for the Data Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;operation use case.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Evaluate Information models / data mode=
ls to support the use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Develop requirements to support APIs/pr=
otocols, encoding languages,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;and data models including issues of=
 security, privacy and trust<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;mechanisms that provide control and=
 abstraction across domain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;boundaries (and therefore across tr=
ust boundaries).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Evaluate existing IETF and other protoc=
ols, encoding languages and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;data models to fulfill the requirem=
ents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Develop protocol extensions.&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The working group will determine if new p=
rotocol or extensions to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">existing protocols are necessary. If the =
working group determines they<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">are necessary, then it will develop new p=
rotocols within the working<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">group; on the other hand, any extensions =
to existing protocols would be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">done with interactions with other working=
 groups where possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Where the need for data models is identif=
ied, the working group will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">first examine data models already develop=
ed by other working groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>King, Daniel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] New version of the Charter (v1.3)<o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please find a new version of th=
e ACTN Charter:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://sites.google=
.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal">https://sites.google.com/site/actn=
bof/home/charter-proposal</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are now up to version 1.3. R=
ecent updates include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Clearer outline of the ACTN a=
rchitecture and components<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- More detailed description of =
the work items<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Propose that any protocol wor=
k should require a re-charter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Various NITS and grammar upda=
tes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">There has been a significant am=
ount of discussion off list, via an informal design team. Please move all d=
iscussion online so we can share thoughts and clarifications with all IETF =
participants. &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Br, Dan and Young. <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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Hi Dan,

Thanks for uploading the newer version (1.3) of the charter.

I just wanted to point out that we do actually propose protocol work within=
 the scope. If I rehash the exact working in the update, it reads as follow=
s:

The working group will work on the following items:

- Complete the architecture that describes the basic building blocks to
 enable transport network vitalization to support use cases.

- Complete the specification of operator-driven use cases to address the
 following initial items:
 o Control and operation of virtual networks for core transport Packet
 Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
 o Control and operation of virtual networks for mobile backhaul multi-
 technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)
 o Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport
 network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit
 services.
 o Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.
 o Synchronization of network resources view across control of physical
 and virtual networks.
 o Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

 Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single
 operator administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center
 operation use case.

- Evaluate Information models / data models to support the use cases.

- Develop requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages,
 and data models including issues of security, privacy and trust
 mechanisms that provide control and abstraction across domain
 boundaries (and therefore across trust boundaries).

- Evaluate existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languages and
 data models to fulfill the requirements.

- Develop protocol extensions.

The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to
existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working
group; on the other hand, any extensions to existing protocols would be
done with interactions with other working groups where possible.

Where the need for data models is identified, the working group will
first examine data models already developed by other working groups.

Regards,
Young


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of King, Daniel
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 AM
To: actn@ietf.org
Subject: [Actn] New version of the Charter (v1.3)

Hi All,

Please find a new version of the ACTN Charter:

https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal

We are now up to version 1.3. Recent updates include:

- Clearer outline of the ACTN architecture and components
- More detailed description of the work items
- Propose that any protocol work should require a re-charter
- Various NITS and grammar updates

There has been a significant amount of discussion off list, via an informal=
 design team. Please move all discussion online so we can share thoughts an=
d clarifications with all IETF participants.

Br, Dan and Young.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dan,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for uploading t=
he newer version (1.3) of the charter.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I just wanted to point=
 out that we do actually propose protocol work within the scope. If I rehas=
h the exact working in the update, it reads as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The working group will work on the follow=
ing items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Complete the architecture that describe=
s the basic building blocks to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;enable transport network vitalizati=
on to support use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Complete the specification of operator-=
driven use cases to address the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;following initial items:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Control and operation of virtual =
networks for core transport Packet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., M=
PLS-TP, OTN/WSON)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Control and operation of virtual =
networks for mobile backhaul multi-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP=
 and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Data Center Operator's interconne=
ction with optical transport<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;network infrastructure providers to=
 support dynamic virtual circuit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Multi-tenant support to allow vir=
tual network information query,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;virtual network negotiation, creati=
on/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Synchronization of network resour=
ces view across control of physical<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;and virtual networks.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Dynamic service control and monit=
oring across all entities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;Initial work within the working gro=
up will be limited to a single<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;operator administrative domain with=
 an exception for the Data Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;operation use case.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Evaluate Information models / data mode=
ls to support the use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Develop requirements to support APIs/pr=
otocols, encoding languages,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;and data models including issues of=
 security, privacy and trust<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;mechanisms that provide control and=
 abstraction across domain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;boundaries (and therefore across tr=
ust boundaries).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Evaluate existing IETF and other protoc=
ols, encoding languages and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;data models to fulfill the requirem=
ents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Develop protocol extensions.&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The working group will determine if new p=
rotocol or extensions to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">existing protocols are necessary. If the =
working group determines they<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">are necessary, then it will develop new p=
rotocols within the working<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">group; on the other hand, any extensions =
to existing protocols would be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">done with interactions with other working=
 groups where possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Where the need for data models is identif=
ied, the working group will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">first examine data models already develop=
ed by other working groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [ma=
ilto:actn-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>King, Daniel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] New version of the Charter (v1.3)<o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please find a new version of th=
e ACTN Charter:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://sites.google=
.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal">https://sites.google.com/site/actn=
bof/home/charter-proposal</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are now up to version 1.3. R=
ecent updates include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Clearer outline of the ACTN a=
rchitecture and components<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- More detailed description of =
the work items<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Propose that any protocol wor=
k should require a re-charter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Various NITS and grammar upda=
tes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">There has been a significant am=
ount of discussion off list, via an informal design team. Please move all d=
iscussion online so we can share thoughts and clarifications with all IETF =
participants. &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Br, Dan and Young. <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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Hi Young,

Works for me.

Br, Dan,

From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]
Sent: 26 September 2014 23:02
To: King, Daniel; actn@ietf.org
Subject: RE: New version of the Charter (v1.3)

Hi Dan,

Thanks for uploading the newer version (1.3) of the charter.

I just wanted to point out that we do actually propose protocol work within=
 the scope. If I rehash the exact working in the update, it reads as follow=
s:

The working group will work on the following items:

- Complete the architecture that describes the basic building blocks to
 enable transport network vitalization to support use cases.

- Complete the specification of operator-driven use cases to address the
 following initial items:
 o Control and operation of virtual networks for core transport Packet
 Optical Integration (POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)
 o Control and operation of virtual networks for mobile backhaul multi-
 technology transport (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)
 o Data Center Operator's interconnection with optical transport
 network infrastructure providers to support dynamic virtual circuit
 services.
 o Multi-tenant support to allow virtual network information query,
 virtual network negotiation, creation/deletion and modification.
 o Synchronization of network resources view across control of physical
 and virtual networks.
 o Dynamic service control and monitoring across all entities.

 Initial work within the working group will be limited to a single
 operator administrative domain with an exception for the Data Center
 operation use case.

- Evaluate Information models / data models to support the use cases.

- Develop requirements to support APIs/protocols, encoding languages,
 and data models including issues of security, privacy and trust
 mechanisms that provide control and abstraction across domain
 boundaries (and therefore across trust boundaries).

- Evaluate existing IETF and other protocols, encoding languages and
 data models to fulfill the requirements.

- Develop protocol extensions.

The working group will determine if new protocol or extensions to
existing protocols are necessary. If the working group determines they
are necessary, then it will develop new protocols within the working
group; on the other hand, any extensions to existing protocols would be
done with interactions with other working groups where possible.

Where the need for data models is identified, the working group will
first examine data models already developed by other working groups.

Regards,
Young


From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of King, Daniel
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 AM
To: actn@ietf.org<mailto:actn@ietf.org>
Subject: [Actn] New version of the Charter (v1.3)

Hi All,

Please find a new version of the ACTN Charter:

https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal

We are now up to version 1.3. Recent updates include:

- Clearer outline of the ACTN architecture and components
- More detailed description of the work items
- Propose that any protocol work should require a re-charter
- Various NITS and grammar updates

There has been a significant amount of discussion off list, via an informal=
 design team. Please move all discussion online so we can share thoughts an=
d clarifications with all IETF participants.

Br, Dan and Young.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Works for me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Br, Dan, &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 September 2014 23:02<br>
<b>To:</b> King, Daniel; actn@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: New version of the Charter (v1.3)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Dan,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for uploading the newer version (1.3) of the charter.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I just =
wanted to point out that we do actually propose protocol work within the sc=
ope. If I rehash the exact working in the update, it reads as follows:<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The working group will wor=
k on the following items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Complete the architectur=
e that describes the basic building blocks to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;enable transport net=
work vitalization to support use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Complete the specificati=
on of operator-driven use cases to address the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;following initial it=
ems:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Control and operat=
ion of virtual networks for core transport Packet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;Optical Integration =
(POI). (e.g., MPLS-TP, OTN/WSON)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Control and operat=
ion of virtual networks for mobile backhaul multi-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;technology transport=
 (e.g., MPLS-TP and MPLS/OTN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Data Center Operat=
or's interconnection with optical transport<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;network infrastructu=
re providers to support dynamic virtual circuit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;services.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Multi-tenant suppo=
rt to allow virtual network information query,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;virtual network nego=
tiation, creation/deletion and modification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Synchronization of=
 network resources view across control of physical<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;and virtual networks=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;o Dynamic service co=
ntrol and monitoring across all entities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;Initial work within =
the working group will be limited to a single<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;operator administrat=
ive domain with an exception for the Data Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;operation use case.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Evaluate Information mod=
els / data models to support the use cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Develop requirements to =
support APIs/protocols, encoding languages,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;and data models incl=
uding issues of security, privacy and trust<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;mechanisms that prov=
ide control and abstraction across domain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;boundaries (and ther=
efore across trust boundaries).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Evaluate existing IETF a=
nd other protocols, encoding languages and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;data models to fulfi=
ll the requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- Develop protocol extensi=
ons.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The working group will det=
ermine if new protocol or extensions to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">existing protocols are nec=
essary. If the working group determines they<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">are necessary, then it wil=
l develop new protocols within the working<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">group; on the other hand, =
any extensions to existing protocols would be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">done with interactions wit=
h other working groups where possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Where the need for data mo=
dels is identified, the working group will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">first examine data models =
already developed by other working groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Young<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> ACTN [<a href=3D"mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:actn-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>King, Daniel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:actn@ietf.org">actn@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Actn] New version of the Charter (v1.3)<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please find a new version of th=
e ACTN Charter:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://sites.google=
.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal">https://sites.google.com/site/actn=
bof/home/charter-proposal</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are now up to version 1.3. R=
ecent updates include:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Clearer outline of the ACTN a=
rchitecture and components<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- More detailed description of =
the work items<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Propose that any protocol wor=
k should require a re-charter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">- Various NITS and grammar upda=
tes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">There has been a significant am=
ount of discussion off list, via an informal design team. Please move all d=
iscussion online so we can share thoughts and clarifications with all IETF =
participants. &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Br, Dan and Young. <o:p></o:p><=
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Hi Young,

Thanks for the update to http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-a=
ctn-framework/
I will send my comments on the update in a separate thread... Rest inline w=
ith tag [Dhruv 3]

(snip)

Reposting my architecture considerations and Young's replies in a dedicated=
 thread.




1.      On multidomain issues: One question here: How do we want to manage =
multi-domain? I see two ways:

a.      A coordinator of virtual network controllers - i.e. 1:1 relationshi=
p between virtual network controller and physical network controller plus a=
 coordinator of virtual network controllers on top

b.      A coordinator of physical network controllers - i.e. a coordinator =
of physical network controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and P=
NCs) with a virtual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship between PN=
C coordinator and the VNC)

Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.

YOUNG>> These options seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming ar=
chitecture document should address in detail. My personal opinion is that b=
oth architectures need to be considered as a starting point. There may be o=
ther variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseline archit=
ecture.
[[DanCe]] Agree. Let's keep track of both of them.
[Dhruv]: In the current architecture document we do not use the term 'coord=
inator';
In the charter it says - "Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN =
controller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual=
 network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embe=
dded in a multi-domain network coordinator to support various services/clie=
nts/applications to create and manage their own virtual networks that share=
 the common transport network resources."
To me this reads as the coordinator and virtual network control function ar=
e embedded together. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to =
be studied, we should relax the text in the charter.

YOUNG>> I think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACT=
N. Although Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption=
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC.  I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordinator V=
NC has to deal with multiple VNCs or PNCs with VN proxy function.
[Dhruv 2]:  In my opinion what Daniele suggest is more like -
Daniele Case a:

                 Virtual network Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               VNC           VNC          VNC
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC


Daniele Case b:
                             VNC
                              |
                              |
                 Physical network Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC

Here the key difference is - 'multi-domain coordinator function' to be enga=
ging with VNCs or PNCs in the southbound.

YOUNG 2> Yes. Agree.

>From your description I gather that the 'multi-domain coordinator function'=
 can interact with multiple VNC (case a) or interact with multiple PNC (cas=
e b) which I also think is valid.
Making this look like....
                    Multi-domain Coordinator (parent
                              |               -VNC)
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               VNC           VNC          VNC
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
               PNC           PNC          PNC

  YOUNG 2> This above diagram is basically the same as Daniele's Case a.

                             VNC
                              | (probably embedded
                              |  together)
                   Multi-domain Coordinator
                              |
                              |
                 -------------+------------
                |             |            |
                |             |            |
                 PNC          PNC          PNC

     YOUNG 2>  This is very close to Daniele's Case b except the 'Multi-dom=
ain coordinator' is not explicitly defined as Physical Network Coordinator.=
  In the charter description, we embedded the multi-domain coordination fun=
ction as part of VNC. Here VNC and MD coordinator can be decoupled as anoth=
er possibility.  The above diagram is different from Daniele's Case b if we=
 assume the interface between PNCs and the MD coordinator is of physical na=
ture or of virtual nature. If this is of physical nature, then this interfa=
ce may be slightly different from VNC-PNC interface (which we called VPI fo=
r Case a. This is a PNC-PNC interface in a hierarchical fashion, for the la=
ck of a better term PPI interface.  What is the difference between VNC-PNC =
and PNC-PNC interfaces? Since we are dealing with virtualization as the mai=
n charter item, I would prefer to focus on VNC-PNC construct as Case a and =
also for Case b if we were to interpret the interface between MD Coordinato=
r and PNCs is of virtual nature.

[Dhruv 3]: I completely agree with you on this point. And thus prefer if we=
 do not dwell much on Daniele Case b, hierarchy among the PNC and PNC-PNC i=
nterface being out of scope and focus of ACTN.

For case b (per Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1=
:1) while how the PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is o=
ut of scope of ACTN work in  my view.  In this case, we are only dealing wi=
th the VNC with the PNC coordinator.  Multi-domain coordination is "delegat=
ed" to the PNC level.
[Dhruv 2]: I am not sure what you mean here?

YOUNG 2>  Please see my above comment.

So I think your point is that the current charter is more or less case a's =
perspective.  But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work s=
hould be focused on. Case b is subset of case a.

I am not to sure

The charter text thus seems more closely related to case (b) where a multi-=
domain coordinator interacts with domain controllers (PNC) and this functio=
n resides with virtual network control function.
[Dhruv 2]: Yes.
 YOUNG 2>   Yes, with an understanding that the [VNC+MD Coordinator] is int=
erfacing with PNCs in a virtual manner.

[Dhruv 3]: we have not used the term 'multi-domain coordinator' in the draf=
t-ceccarelli-actn-framework-03; but we use it in charter text, perhaps we c=
an relook into this.

Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft saying =
is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange could be=
 distributed (controllers speaking MP-BGP with each other) while provisioni=
ng could be hierarchical (i.e. the coordinator asks controller A to provisi=
on a path with domain A and asks controller B to provide a path within B so=
 to have an end to end path crossing domains A and B)...H-PCE like.

YOUNG>> Good point. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss thes=
e dichotomy of control regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One que=
stion I have: are you assuming the coordinator also speaks MP-BGP with lowe=
r level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need to collect the V=
PN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator and each PNC (that =
speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized component?
[[DanCe]] The scenarios that come to my mind are more "horizontal". I would=
 say the either the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains  =
(in case of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets the information =
from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other controllers "on be=
half of their domains"


[Dhruv]: I feel this is highly dependent on the physical network controller=
s, if its a PCE it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the=
 controller runs BGP  it may directly interact with other controller. IMHO =
the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this interaction=
, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may not be=
 able to interact with each other directly (different technology, vendor sp=
ecific NMS etc).

YOUNG>> I agree with you on this.


Regards,
Dhruv

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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Thanks for the update to
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org=
/doc/draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework/">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
t-ceccarelli-actn-framework/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">I will send my comments on the update in a=
 separate thread&#8230; Rest inline with
<b>tag [Dhruv 3]<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Reposting my architect=
ure considerations and Young&#8217;s replies in a dedicated thread.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">On multidomain=
 issues: One question here: How do we want to manage multi-domain? I see tw=
o ways:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of virtual network controllers &#8211; i.e. 1:1 relationship between virtua=
l network controller and physical network controller plus a coordinator of =
virtual network controllers on top<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">b.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A coordinator =
of physical network controllers &#8211; i.e. a coordinator of physical netw=
ork controllers (1:N relationship between coordinator and PNCs) with a virt=
ual network controller on top? (1:1 relationship
 between PNC coordinator and the VNC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1F497D">Maybe we should consider both architectures, maybe pick one.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red">YOUNG&gt;&gt; These option=
s seem to be detailed architecture that the upcoming architecture document =
should address in detail. My personal opinion is that both architectures ne=
ed to be considered as a starting point. There
 may be other variations. Then we may narrow the scope as an initial baseli=
ne architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] Agree. Let&#=
8217;s keep track of both of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: In the=
 current architecture document we do not use the term &#8216;coordinator&#8=
217;;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">In the charter =
it says &#8211; &#8220;<i>Multi-domain network coordination function in ACT=
N is built on a control hierarchy where a multi-domain coordinator interact=
s
 with each domain controller (e.g., EMS/NMS, GMPLS/PCE control plane, SDN c=
ontroller) for abstracting network resource information to provide virtual =
network control functions. This virtual network control functions are embed=
ded in a multi-domain network coordinator
 to support various services/clients/applications to create and manage thei=
r own virtual networks that share the common transport network resources</i=
>.&#8221; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">To me this read=
s as the coordinator and virtual network control function are embedded toge=
ther. If we feel that multiple options are okay and need to
 be studied, we should relax the text in the charter. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 think VNC-PNC construct is the main architecture interface of ACTN. Althou=
gh Architecture document is being prepared, the current assumption
 is that PNC has a minimum module as proxy to communicate with VNC. When VN=
C deals with multi-domain networks, multi-domain coordination function aris=
es within the VNC. &nbsp;I think this is case a (Per Daniele). The coordina=
tor VNC has to deal with multiple VNCs
 or PNCs with VN proxy function. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">[Dhruv 2]: &nbs=
p;In my opinion what Daniele suggest is more like -
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">Daniele Case a:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Virtual network Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;-------------&#43;------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">Daniele Case b:=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
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sp;&nbsp;VNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;Physical network Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
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bsp;&nbsp;|
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;-------------&#43;------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">Here the key difference is &#8211; &#8216;multi-domain coordinator func=
tion&#8217; to be engaging with VNCs or PNCs in the southbound.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9=
93366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9=
93366">YOUNG 2&gt; Yes. Agree.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">From your description I gather that the &#8216;multi-domain coordinator=
 function&#8217; can interact with multiple VNC (case a) or interact with
 multiple PNC (case b) which I also think is valid. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">Making this look like&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Multi-domain Coordinator (parent<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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sp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;VNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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y:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#993366">YOUNG 2&gt; This above diagram is basically the same as=
 Daniele&#8217;s Case a. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
b></p>
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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 |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp; &nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;PNC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PNC&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PNC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#993366">YOUNG 2&gt; &nbsp;This is very close to Daniele&#8217;s=
 Case b except the &#8216;Multi-domain coordinator&#8217; is not explicitly=
 defined as Physical Network Coordinator. &nbsp;In the charter description,=
 we embedded
 the multi-domain coordination function as part of VNC. Here VNC and MD coo=
rdinator can be decoupled as another possibility. &nbsp;The above diagram i=
s different from Daniele&#8217;s Case b if we assume the interface between =
PNCs and the MD coordinator is of physical
 nature or of virtual nature. If this is of physical nature, then this inte=
rface may be slightly different from VNC-PNC interface (which we called VPI=
 for Case a. This is a PNC-PNC interface in a hierarchical fashion, for the=
 lack of a better term PPI interface.&nbsp;
 What is the difference between VNC-PNC and PNC-PNC interfaces? Since we ar=
e dealing with virtualization as the main charter item, I would prefer to f=
ocus on VNC-PNC construct as Case a and also for Case b if we were to inter=
pret the interface between MD Coordinator
 and PNCs is of virtual nature. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><b><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv 3]: I completely agree with you =
on this point. And thus prefer if we do not dwell much on Daniele Case b, h=
ierarchy among the PNC and PNC-PNC interface being out of
 scope and focus of ACTN. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><b><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">For case b (per=
 Daniele), I think we are only concerned about VNC-PNC (as 1:1) while how t=
he PNC coordinator deals with its domain PNC controller is
 out of scope of ACTN work in&nbsp; my view.&nbsp; In this case, we are onl=
y dealing with the VNC with the PNC coordinator. &nbsp;Multi-domain coordin=
ation is &#8220;delegated&#8221; to the PNC level. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">[Dhruv 2]: I am=
 not sure what you mean here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><b><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG 2&gt; =
&nbsp;Please see my above comment.
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">So I think your=
 point is that the current charter is more or less case a&#8217;s perspecti=
ve.&nbsp; But I think case a is the base-line case to which ACTN work
 should be focused on. Case b is subset of case a. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">I am not to sure
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">The charter text thus seems more closely related to case (b) where a mu=
lti-domain coordinator interacts with domain controllers (PNC)
 and this function resides with virtual network control function. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#9933=
66">[Dhruv 2]: Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;</span><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366">YOUNG 2&=
gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, with an understanding that the [VNC&#43;MD Coordinator=
] is interfacing
 with PNCs in a virtual manner. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">[Dhruv 3]: we have not used the term &#=
8216;multi-domain coordinator&#8217; in the draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework=
-03; but we use it in charter text, perhaps we can relook into this.
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#993366">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"color:#1F4=
97D">Again on multidomain: maybe we could improve the architecture draft sa=
ying is centralized and what is distributed. E.g. VPN prefixes exchange cou=
ld be distributed (controllers speaking
 MP-BGP with each other) while provisioning could be hierarchical (i.e. the=
 coordinator asks controller A to provision a path with domain A and asks c=
ontroller B to provide a path within B so to have an end to end path crossi=
ng domains A and B)&#8230;H-PCE like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">YOUNG&gt;&gt; Good poi=
nt. I agree that the architecture draft should discuss these dichotomy of c=
ontrol regimes (e.g., centralized vs. distributed). One question I have: ar=
e you assuming the coordinator also speaks
 MP-BGP with lower level PN controllers? If not, would the coordinator need=
 to collect the VPN prefixes using the interface between the coordinator an=
d each PNC (that speaks MP-BGP)? Then can this be viewed as a centralized c=
omponent?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[[DanCe]] The scenario=
s that come to my mind are more &#8220;horizontal&#8221;. I would say the e=
ither the nodes speak MP-BGP with each other across the domains&nbsp; (in c=
ase of distributed protocols) or the controllers gets
 the information from its own domain and then speak MP-BGP with the other c=
ontrollers &#8220;on behalf of their domains&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#993366"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">[Dhruv]: I feel=
 this is highly dependent on the physical network controllers, if its a PCE=
 it has its own way to do inter-PCE communication and if the
 controller runs BGP &nbsp;it may directly interact with other controller. =
IMHO the ACTN architecture should not impose any restriction on this intera=
ction, nor make it a pre-requisite as in some case the two controller may n=
ot be able to interact with each other
 directly (different technology, vendor specific NMS etc). <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:150%"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Candara&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#984806">YOUNG&gt;&gt; I=
 agree with you on this.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Candara&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#003300">Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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Hi,

Thanks for the latest revision of
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework-03.txt
I find the new Figure 5 particularly helpful in understanding the potential
scope of the ACTN work. And this is important because at this stage if the
process we are trying to work out exactly what an ACTN working group might work
on if it was created.

Looking at the v1.3 draft charter text at
https://sites.google.com/site/actnbof/home/charter-proposal I see...
> This architecture shows three
> control components: the Customer Network Controller (CNC) responsible
> for servicing requests from applications (such as OSS/NMS), the Virtual
> Network Controller (VNC) responsible for realizing customer networks out
> of physical network resources, and the Physical Network Controller (PNC)
> responsible for control and provisioning in physical networks. The
> architecture shows the need for interfaces between these components.

I just want to check what this means. I read it as saying that interfaces B and
C as shown on Figure 5 are in scope for an ACTN working group, but all other
interfaces shown on the figure are not in scope. I believe this is consistent
with Section 6.1.1 of the draft.

Can y'all confirm that this is your understanding and what you want to work on
and exclude.

Thanks,
Adrian


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Hi Adrian,

Thanks for your bringing up this architecture discussion to the list. I fee=
l it might be useful to bring up here Figure 5:

                .--------------
               -------------   |
              | Application |--
               -------------
                     |
                     | I/F A                 --------
                     v                      (        )
                --------------             -          -
               | Customer     |           (  Customer  )
               |  Network     |--------->(    Network   )
               |   Controller |           (            )
                --------------             -          -
                     |                      (        )
                     | I/F B                 --------
                     v                        ^    ^
                --------------                :    :
               | Virtual      |               :     .
               |  Network     |               :      .
               |   Controller |            --------   . I/F E
                --------------            (        )   .
                     |                   -          -   .
                     | I/F C            (  Physical  )   .
                     v                 (    Network   )   .
                  ---------------       (            )     --------
                 |               |-----> -          -     (        )
                --------------   |        (        )     -         -
               | Physical     |--          --------     (  Physical  )
               |  Network     |----------------------->(    Network   )
               |   Controller |         I/F D           (            )
                --------------                           -         -
                                                          (        )
                                                           --------


                         Figure 5. ACTN Interfaces

As you pointed out, the quoted charter and Section 6.1.1 of the framework d=
raft are consistent in that both of them limit the scope of ACTN work to I/=
F B and I/F C (Figure 5) that correspond to the CNC-VNC and VNC-PNC interfa=
ce, respectively. Other interfaces are out of scope. They are shown for an =
illustration purpose to give the overarching context of ACTN.=20

Best regards,
Young

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Subject: [Actn] ACTN architecture and interfaces

Hi,

Thanks for the latest revision of
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework-03.txt
I find the new Figure 5 particularly helpful in understanding the potential=
 scope of the ACTN work. And this is important because at this stage if the=
 process we are trying to work out exactly what an ACTN working group might=
 work on if it was created.

Looking at the v1.3 draft charter text at https://sites.google.com/site/act=
nbof/home/charter-proposal I see...
> This architecture shows three
> control components: the Customer Network Controller (CNC) responsible=20
> for servicing requests from applications (such as OSS/NMS), the=20
> Virtual Network Controller (VNC) responsible for realizing customer=20
> networks out of physical network resources, and the Physical Network=20
> Controller (PNC) responsible for control and provisioning in physical=20
> networks. The architecture shows the need for interfaces between these co=
mponents.

I just want to check what this means. I read it as saying that interfaces B=
 and C as shown on Figure 5 are in scope for an ACTN working group, but all=
 other interfaces shown on the figure are not in scope. I believe this is c=
onsistent with Section 6.1.1 of the draft.

Can y'all confirm that this is your understanding and what you want to work=
 on and exclude.

Thanks,
Adrian

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Hi Young

One question raised to me when thinking about recursiveness in this archite=
cture. What would be the schema in case where a VNC communicates with anoth=
er VNC? This could be an scenario where a virtual network provider builds i=
ts offered transport network capabilities total or partially on top of anot=
her virtual network provider.

There are some alternatives:

a) CNC -- (i/f B) -- VNC -- { -- (i/f B) -- VNC -- (i/f C) -- PNC}
b) CNC -- (i/f B) -- VNC -- { -- (i/f C) -- VNC -- (i/f C) -- PNC}
c) both of them

Regards

Luis


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de Leeyoung
Enviado el: lunes, 29 de septiembre de 2014 20:08
Para: adrian@olddog.co.uk; actn@ietf.org
CC: 'Alia Atlas'
Asunto: Re: [Actn] ACTN architecture and interfaces

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for your bringing up this architecture discussion to the list. I fee=
l it might be useful to bring up here Figure 5:

                .--------------
               -------------   |
              | Application |--
               -------------
                     |
                     | I/F A                 --------
                     v                      (        )
                --------------             -          -
               | Customer     |           (  Customer  )
               |  Network     |--------->(    Network   )
               |   Controller |           (            )
                --------------             -          -
                     |                      (        )
                     | I/F B                 --------
                     v                        ^    ^
                --------------                :    :
               | Virtual      |               :     .
               |  Network     |               :      .
               |   Controller |            --------   . I/F E
                --------------            (        )   .
                     |                   -          -   .
                     | I/F C            (  Physical  )   .
                     v                 (    Network   )   .
                  ---------------       (            )     --------
                 |               |-----> -          -     (        )
                --------------   |        (        )     -         -
               | Physical     |--          --------     (  Physical  )
               |  Network     |----------------------->(    Network   )
               |   Controller |         I/F D           (            )
                --------------                           -         -
                                                          (        )
                                                           --------


                         Figure 5. ACTN Interfaces

As you pointed out, the quoted charter and Section 6.1.1 of the framework d=
raft are consistent in that both of them limit the scope of ACTN work to I/=
F B and I/F C (Figure 5) that correspond to the CNC-VNC and VNC-PNC interfa=
ce, respectively. Other interfaces are out of scope. They are shown for an =
illustration purpose to give the overarching context of ACTN.

Best regards,
Young

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From: ACTN [mailto:actn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:53 PM
To: actn@ietf.org
Cc: 'Alia Atlas'
Subject: [Actn] ACTN architecture and interfaces

Hi,

Thanks for the latest revision of
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ceccarelli-actn-framework-03.txt
I find the new Figure 5 particularly helpful in understanding the potential=
 scope of the ACTN work. And this is important because at this stage if the=
 process we are trying to work out exactly what an ACTN working group might=
 work on if it was created.

Looking at the v1.3 draft charter text at https://sites.google.com/site/act=
nbof/home/charter-proposal I see...
> This architecture shows three
> control components: the Customer Network Controller (CNC) responsible
> for servicing requests from applications (such as OSS/NMS), the
> Virtual Network Controller (VNC) responsible for realizing customer
> networks out of physical network resources, and the Physical Network
> Controller (PNC) responsible for control and provisioning in physical
> networks. The architecture shows the need for interfaces between these co=
mponents.

I just want to check what this means. I read it as saying that interfaces B=
 and C as shown on Figure 5 are in scope for an ACTN working group, but all=
 other interfaces shown on the figure are not in scope. I believe this is c=
onsistent with Section 6.1.1 of the draft.

Can y'all confirm that this is your understanding and what you want to work=
 on and exclude.

Thanks,
Adrian

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