From arifumi@nttv6.net Wed May 12 01:58:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E543A6B13 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:58:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qGhTlP67O29w for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nttv6.net (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56AA3A6B04 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 01:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:fa8:1000::8cd9:14af:262f:c104] ([IPv6:2001:fa8:1000:0:8cd9:14af:262f:c104]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4C8w8J3081356 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 17:58:09 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from arifumi@nttv6.net) From: Arifumi Matsumoto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:58:08 +0900 Message-Id: To: addr-select-dt@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]); Wed, 12 May 2010 17:58:09 +0900 (JST) Subject: [addr-select-dt] resuming the discussion X-BeenThere: addr-select-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPv6 Address Selection Design Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:58:27 -0000 Hi Design team members, let me resume this mailing list, and start discussion towards next IETF. At the IETF meeting in Anaheim, we got the following points. - Aggressive mode and non-aggressive mode can move separately. - XML based information distribution mechanism worth considering. - Design Team needs more time to review the steps forward. - 6man mailing list is next place to discuss after design team = discussion. So, in my understanding, after separating with aggressive mode way, = we've reached consensus on that we need some mechanism to deliver = something to end hosts. Tony Hain gave me comments on mic telling that we should discuss WHAT we = distribute. So, maybe this is the next point we have to agree on. Regarding the XML or DHCP, this is about HOW the information is = distributed, so it may come after WHAT. * The status of WHAT we distribute. About this point, the utilization of RFC3484 policy table is proposed, = as you know, draft-fujisaki-dhc-addr-select-opt. What else should we consider about this point. Tony, can you elaborate on this point ? * The status of HOW we distribute. The following mechanisms are proposed/imagined. - RA - DHCP - XML (HTTP ?) I could not get what exactly "XML" means, but I guess it means SOAP/HTTP = based configuration mechanism. IMO, it is used to deliver additional further information to the end = node, and not used for delivering basic IP configuration information. = This is because, at least, the end node have to be able to reach the = HTTP server to retrieve those information. And, I think the address selection information is such a basic = information that are used to reach off-link nodes. Am I missing any other points to consider ? Any comments are welcome. ----- Just for reference. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/minutes/6man.txt * Address Selection - Presenter : Arifumi Matsumoto - 4 drafts in progress - In solution space, investigating pros/cons of simultaneous = connection approach. - Host tries all pairs of src/dst addresses in a short period. - Decreases timeouts. - Adds load to network. - Policy needed to prevent exposure of internal-use addresses. - Policy distribution via either normal or aggressive host/DHCP = interaction - Aggressive stack leverages SHIM6 experience. Comment (Deng) - Most phones don't use DHCP, configuration comes = via XML. Comment (Carpenter) - SHIM6 does not have much deployment = experience. Aggressive mode does reduce recovery time, but not as much = as one would expect. Comment (Hain) - No reason to wait for the aggressive stack, more = work is needed on it. Is DHC the right place to follow-on? Maybe XML = is better. Comment (Haberman) - General working model is that DHC WG acts as = reviewer/approver of DHCP work done in other WGs. We should keep = discussing this on the mailing list. Comment (Hain) - Design team needs one more pass of discussion on = their list. Comemnt (Hinden) - Don't wait to move this discussion to the main = list until the next meeting. -- Arifumi Matsumoto Secure Communication Project NTT Information Sharing Platform Laboratories E-mail: arifumi@nttv6.net From arifumi@nttv6.net Wed May 12 02:01:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B79A3A6AFF for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:01:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id paZlw8vnGxcs for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nttv6.net (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923743A67A7 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 02:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:fa8:1000::8cd9:14af:262f:c104] ([IPv6:2001:fa8:1000:0:8cd9:14af:262f:c104]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4C90vdC081386 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 18:00:57 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from arifumi@nttv6.net) From: Arifumi Matsumoto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:00:58 +0900 Message-Id: To: addr-select-dt@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]); Wed, 12 May 2010 18:00:57 +0900 (JST) Subject: [addr-select-dt] Teleconference X-BeenThere: addr-select-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPv6 Address Selection Design Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:01:15 -0000 Hi all, I think teleconferencing over telephone, skype or anything should be = helpful to progress this design team. Anyone interested in it ? -- Arifumi Matsumoto Secure Communication Project NTT Information Sharing Platform Laboratories E-mail: arifumi@nttv6.net From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Thu May 13 17:45:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8E43A67FC for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.952 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwpcUd5VPRpn for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51C83A69DF for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 17:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4E0p2v8009419; Thu, 13 May 2010 19:51:03 -0500 Received: from [142.133.10.113] (147.117.20.212) by eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se (147.117.20.91) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.234.1; Thu, 13 May 2010 20:45:22 -0400 Message-ID: <4BEC9CD0.80600@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:44:00 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arifumi Matsumoto References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "addr-select-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [addr-select-dt] Teleconference X-BeenThere: addr-select-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPv6 Address Selection Design Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 00:45:36 -0000 Hi Arifumi, I am certainly interested. I think a teleconference would help. Can we have it end of May or beginning of June. Cheers Suresh On 10-05-12 05:00 AM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: > Hi all, > > I think teleconferencing over telephone, skype or anything should be helpful to progress this design team. > Anyone interested in it ? > > -- > Arifumi Matsumoto > Secure Communication Project > NTT Information Sharing Platform Laboratories > E-mail: arifumi@nttv6.net > > _______________________________________________ > addr-select-dt mailing list > addr-select-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/addr-select-dt From hiromi@inetcore.com Thu May 13 20:22:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248B23A69F2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 20:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y5CWElsMuklp for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 20:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inc.inetcore.com (inc.inetcore.com [IPv6:2403:2000:1:1::11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47ABD3A69EB for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 20:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2403:2000:1:3:21b:63ff:feb7:716a] (unknown [IPv6:2403:2000:1:3:21b:63ff:feb7:716a]) by inc.inetcore.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B57015A10E0; Fri, 14 May 2010 12:22:22 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ruri Hiromi In-Reply-To: <4BEC9CD0.80600@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:22:22 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7A5A46D0-4318-4D90-9D45-89BD8B13C692@inetcore.com> References: <4BEC9CD0.80600@ericsson.com> To: Arifumi Matsumoto , Suresh Krishnan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: addr-select-dt@ietf.org Subject: Re: [addr-select-dt] Teleconference X-BeenThere: addr-select-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPv6 Address Selection Design Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 03:22:39 -0000 Hello, I will join. End of May or beginning of June are fine with me, too. On 2010/05/14, at 9:44, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Arifumi, > I am certainly interested. I think a teleconference would help. Can = we have it end of May or beginning of June. >=20 > Cheers > Suresh >=20 > On 10-05-12 05:00 AM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: >> Hi all, >> I think teleconferencing over telephone, skype or anything should be = helpful to progress this design team. >> Anyone interested in it ? >> -- >> Arifumi Matsumoto >> Secure Communication Project >> NTT Information Sharing Platform Laboratories >> E-mail: arifumi@nttv6.net >> _______________________________________________ >> addr-select-dt mailing list >> addr-select-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/addr-select-dt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > addr-select-dt mailing list > addr-select-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/addr-select-dt ------------------------------- Ruri Hiromi INTEC Systems Institute, Inc. / Keio university hiromi@inetcore.com >>>> hiromi_ruri@intec-si.co.jp From arifumi@nttv6.net Tue May 18 00:51:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: addr-select-dt@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2F13A6942 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 00:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.65 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.65 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.650, BAYES_50=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G0+0vatin5gN for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 00:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nttv6.net (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F713A65A6 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 00:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:fa8:1000::11e4:b19d:8522:179e] ([IPv6:2001:fa8:1000:0:11e4:b19d:8522:179e]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4I7osT7021482; Tue, 18 May 2010 16:50:55 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from arifumi@nttv6.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Arifumi Matsumoto In-Reply-To: <4BEC9CD0.80600@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:50:54 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4BEC9CD0.80600@ericsson.com> To: Suresh Krishnan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (mail.nttv6.net [IPv6:2001:fa8::25]); Tue, 18 May 2010 16:50:55 +0900 (JST) Cc: "addr-select-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [addr-select-dt] Teleconference X-BeenThere: addr-select-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IPv6 Address Selection Design Team List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:51:32 -0000 Hi, Suresh, thank you for quick response. Tony, you raised several points at Anaheim, hopefully I'd like to = discuss about them at teleconference. Could you give me several candidate schedule for the teleconference ? On 2010/05/14, at 9:44, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Arifumi, > I am certainly interested. I think a teleconference would help. Can = we have it end of May or beginning of June. >=20 > Cheers > Suresh >=20 > On 10-05-12 05:00 AM, Arifumi Matsumoto wrote: >> Hi all, >> I think teleconferencing over telephone, skype or anything should be = helpful to progress this design team. >> Anyone interested in it ? >> -- >> Arifumi Matsumoto >> Secure Communication Project >> NTT Information Sharing Platform Laboratories >> E-mail: arifumi@nttv6.net >> _______________________________________________ >> addr-select-dt mailing list >> addr-select-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/addr-select-dt >=20 -- Arifumi Matsumoto Secure Communication Project NTT Information Sharing Platform Laboratories E-mail: arifumi@nttv6.net