From nobody Thu Jun 3 16:53:03 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9673A1F84 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 16:53:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Administration LLC Board of Directors Chair To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.30.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <162276438117.18747.15662386280710363334@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 16:53:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] LLC Board Meeting Details - 10 June 2021 X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:53:02 -0000 IETF LLC Board of Directors meetings are conducted via web/teleconference. 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From nobody Mon Jun 7 17:41:08 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB183A1927; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hx4RjY9izoQX; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1D0A3A1924; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Executive Director Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 12:40:56 +1200 Message-Id: <2DA51059-72D8-4536-A921-7875DC4E432C@ietf.org> Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org To: IETF Announcement List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] IETF Administration LLC staffing update X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 00:41:06 -0000 The IETF Administration LLC is pleased to announce that Lee-Berkeley = Shaw today joins the IETF LLC as Director of Development. Her role will = be to design and deliver the strategy to achieve the IETF LLC goals for = financial sustainability, with a focus on growing the IETF Endowment. =20= Lee-Berkeley is an experienced fundraiser, most recently with the Center = for Democracy and Technology (CDT). She is based in the United States = and can be reached at lbshaw@ietf.org. Lee-Berkeley will be working closely with the IETF Secretariat, who will = continue to support IETF meeting sponsorship. In this short blog post, Lee-Berkeley shares more about her past = experience and joining the IETF LLC to support the work of the IETF: = https://www.ietf.org/blog/qa-with-our-new-director-of-development/ Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org From nobody Tue Jun 8 06:54:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6A43A31B1; Tue, 8 Jun 2021 06:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99m so pleased to be here, Jason - and look forward to = connecting with you and the rest of the community in the coming weeks. I = see good things ahead! Best to all, Lee-Berkeley=20 Lee-Berkeley Shaw=20 Director of Development (She, Her) lbs haw@ietf.org > On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Livingood, Jason = wrote: >=20 > Welcome to the IETF, Lee-Berkeley! >=20 > To the IETF community members here, this is another step in the = process of the LLC's work to increase fundraising levels & diversity. >=20 > Jason >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/7/21, 20:41, "admin-discuss on behalf of IETF Executive = Director" wrote: >=20 > The IETF Administration LLC is pleased to announce that = Lee-Berkeley Shaw today joins the IETF LLC as Director of Development. = Her role will be to design and deliver the strategy to achieve the IETF = LLC goals for financial sustainability, with a focus on growing the IETF = Endowment. >=20 > Lee-Berkeley is an experienced fundraiser, most recently with the = Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT). She is based in the United = States and can be reached at lbshaw@ietf.org. >=20 > Lee-Berkeley will be working closely with the IETF Secretariat, who = will continue to support IETF meeting sponsorship. >=20 > In this short blog post, Lee-Berkeley shares more about her past = experience and joining the IETF LLC to support the work of the IETF: >=20 > = https://www.ietf.org/blog/qa-with-our-new-director-of-development/ > Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. >=20 > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@ietf.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > admin-discuss mailing list > admin-discuss@ietf.org > = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/admin-di= scuss__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!W3Habch5RaE68cMLtU4jCI4RRouCZM9vG7lZowpYKD4eHu3QXEC0X= ZQOY1TSQAaZuMc-nA$ >=20 --Apple-Mail=_990CF66D-B849-494E-BDBA-3BCFA354FB87 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80= =99m so pleased to be here, Jason - and look forward to connecting with = you and the rest of the community in the coming weeks. I see good things = ahead!

Best to = all,

Lee-Berkeley 

Lee-Berkeley = Shaw 
Director of = Development
(She, Her)

On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:

Welcome to the IETF, Lee-Berkeley!

To the IETF community members here, this is another step in = the process of the LLC's work to increase fundraising levels & = diversity.

Jason

=EF=BB=BFOn 6/7/21, 20:41, "admin-discuss on behalf of IETF = Executive Director" <admin-discuss-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of exec-director@ietf.org> wrote:

   The IETF Administration LLC is pleased to = announce that Lee-Berkeley Shaw today joins the IETF LLC as Director of = Development.  Her role will be to design and deliver the strategy = to achieve the IETF LLC goals for financial sustainability, with a focus = on growing the IETF Endowment.

=    Lee-Berkeley is an experienced fundraiser, most = recently with the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT).  She = is based in the United States and can be reached at lbshaw@ietf.org.

   Lee-Berkeley will be = working closely with the IETF Secretariat, who will continue to support = IETF meeting sponsorship.

=    In this short blog post, Lee-Berkeley shares more = about her past experience and joining the IETF LLC to support the work = of the IETF:

=        https://www.ietf.org/blog/qa-with-our-new-director-of-developme= nt/
   Please feel free to contact me = directly if you have any questions.

=    --
   Jay Daley
   IETF Executive Director
=    exec-director@ietf.org



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= --Apple-Mail=_990CF66D-B849-494E-BDBA-3BCFA354FB87-- From nobody Thu Jun 10 10:52:28 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A183A1038; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 10:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PYqsBw0hLSMg; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 10:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [212.68.24.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 193D83A1036; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 10:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF Chair Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 20:52:13 +0300 Message-Id: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org, IETF To: IETF-Announce X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] Proposed ietf.org email address policy X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:52:19 -0000 We are proposing a policy regarding the allocation of individual administrative email addresses in the ietf.org domain. The proposal was motivated by a few community members that raised the concern that continued allocation of individual email addresses under ietf.org could at some point create collisions for IETF mailing lists. Historically, the only email addresses created under the ietf.org domain were for IETF-associated mailing lists, e.g., for working groups, the IESG, directorates, etc., for aliases for certain roles, e.g., chair@ietf.org, or for administrative purposes, e.g., support@ietf.org. This was not the result of following any explicit allocation policy, it just happened that way. This expanded slightly a number of years ago, on an ad hoc basis, and now a few individuals - all of them IETF LLC employees - have work email addresses under ietf.org. Therefore, the IESG and LLC Board are considering formalizing a policy concerning ietf.org email addresses: * new email addresses for general and administrative roles under ietf.org must be chosen to avoid conflicts with potential IETF mailing list names * the IESG must be consulted before any new email addresses under ietf.org are created and will have the sole responsibility for approving and managing addresses under ietf.org * new individual email addresses for LLC personnel will be allocated under a new staff.ietf.org subdomain, with the LLC being solely responsible for the approval and management of those addresses * existing individual email addresses under ietf.org at the time the policy goes into effect will continue to receive email, which will be forwarded to new staff.ietf.org subdomain addresses; and outbound mail should be preferably be sent from staff.ietf.org addresses or role-based ietf.org addresses We invite the community to send feedback on this proposed policy to admin-discuss@ietf.org by 24 June 2021. 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Thu, 10 Jun 2021 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker X-Google-Original-From: Fred Baker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 11:16:36 -0700 Message-Id: <021D5577-9DB1-4FA9-8D09-2683CC32BCB7@gmail.com> References: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> Cc: IETF In-Reply-To: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> To: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18F72) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Proposed ietf.org email address policy X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:16:50 -0000 Thanks for this. Your proposed rule makes sense. I might have one suggestion= . Where you have allocated an email address in IETF.org for an individual, dup= licate that with an address in staff.IETF.org. That will allow you, at some= point in the future, to remove the first set of addresses and continue comm= unication with the second. I might suggest that those individuals start usin= g the @staff email addresses so reduce any possible impact when that is done= . JUst a thought. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 10, 2021, at 10:53 AM, IETF Chair wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFWe are proposing a policy regarding the allocation of individual > administrative email addresses in the ietf.org domain. The proposal > was motivated by a few community members that raised the concern that > continued allocation of individual email addresses under ietf.org > could at some point create collisions for IETF mailing lists. >=20 > Historically, the only email addresses created under the ietf.org > domain were for IETF-associated mailing lists, e.g., for working > groups, the IESG, directorates, etc., for aliases for certain roles, > e.g., chair@ietf.org, or for administrative purposes, e.g., > support@ietf.org. This was not the result of following any explicit > allocation policy, it just happened that way. >=20 > This expanded slightly a number of years ago, on an ad hoc basis, and > now a few individuals - all of them IETF LLC employees - have work > email addresses under ietf.org. >=20 > Therefore, the IESG and LLC Board are considering formalizing a policy > concerning ietf.org email addresses: >=20 > * new email addresses for general and administrative roles under > ietf.org must be chosen to avoid conflicts with potential IETF > mailing list names >=20 > * the IESG must be consulted before any new email addresses under > ietf.org are created and will have the sole responsibility for > approving and managing addresses under ietf.org >=20 > * new individual email addresses for LLC personnel will be allocated > under a new staff.ietf.org subdomain, with the LLC being solely > responsible for the approval and management of those addresses >=20 > * existing individual email addresses under ietf.org at the time the > policy goes into effect will continue to receive email, which will > be forwarded to new staff.ietf.org subdomain addresses; and > outbound mail should be preferably be sent from staff.ietf.org > addresses or role-based ietf.org addresses >=20 > We invite the community to send feedback on this proposed policy to > admin-discuss@ietf.org by 24 June 2021. >=20 > Lars Eggert > IETF Chair >=20 > Jason Livingood > Chair, IETF LLC Board >=20 From nobody Thu Jun 10 11:54:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD983A1439; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 11:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jkXomq-yqRKX; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AEE23A142D; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lrPoX-0003Ac-AW; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:54:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:53:55 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Fred Baker , admin-discuss@ietf.org cc: IETF Message-ID: <71FFEE6A5354E4D51039A99D@PSB> In-Reply-To: <021D5577-9DB1-4FA9-8D09-2683CC32BCB7@gmail.com> References: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> <021D5577-9DB1-4FA9-8D09-2683CC32BCB7@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Proposed ietf.org email address policy X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:54:09 -0000 Fred, I think that is already in the proposal -- see the last bullet point ("* existing individual email addresses under ietf.org...") Lars and Jason, Seems completely sensible to me and is fairly similar to what I would have proposed if asked (probably just a happy coincidence). One tiny suggestion and a question: * At least for the benefit of those of us with fat fingers, have you considered a subdomain shorter than "staff". "llc.ietf.org" or even "co.ietf.org" or "ad.ietf.org" would seem to have small advantages if done at the beginning? * Several people who are not employees of the LLC, particularly Secretariat Staff working for AMS, already have ietf.org role accounts. As I understand the proposal, that does not change. They are now using AMSL.COM addresses when those role account are inappropriate (or they don't have role accounts). I assume that does not change. Correct? Again, seems like a very good proposal and plan. thanks, john --On Thursday, June 10, 2021 11:16 -0700 Fred Baker wrote: > Thanks for this. Your proposed rule makes sense. I might have > one suggestion. > > Where you have allocated an email address in IETF.org for an > individual, duplicate that with an address in staff.IETF.org. > That will allow you, at some point in the future, to remove > the first set of addresses and continue communication with the > second. I might suggest that those individuals start using the > @staff email addresses so reduce any possible impact when that > is done. > > JUst a thought. From nobody Thu Jun 10 15:48:52 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A1D3A1DA0 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RksEMNCiplDq for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67E543A1DC4 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2414C300BD7 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id rmIsRdlOOY6k for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3FBB300AE9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:48:28 -0400 References: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> To: admin-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Proposed ietf.org email address policy X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 22:48:49 -0000 Thank you. I strongly support this policy. Russ > On Jun 10, 2021, at 1:52 PM, IETF Chair wrote: > > We are proposing a policy regarding the allocation of individual > administrative email addresses in the ietf.org domain. The proposal > was motivated by a few community members that raised the concern that > continued allocation of individual email addresses under ietf.org > could at some point create collisions for IETF mailing lists. > > Historically, the only email addresses created under the ietf.org > domain were for IETF-associated mailing lists, e.g., for working > groups, the IESG, directorates, etc., for aliases for certain roles, > e.g., chair@ietf.org, or for administrative purposes, e.g., > support@ietf.org. This was not the result of following any explicit > allocation policy, it just happened that way. > > This expanded slightly a number of years ago, on an ad hoc basis, and > now a few individuals - all of them IETF LLC employees - have work > email addresses under ietf.org. > > Therefore, the IESG and LLC Board are considering formalizing a policy > concerning ietf.org email addresses: > > * new email addresses for general and administrative roles under > ietf.org must be chosen to avoid conflicts with potential IETF > mailing list names > > * the IESG must be consulted before any new email addresses under > ietf.org are created and will have the sole responsibility for > approving and managing addresses under ietf.org > > * new individual email addresses for LLC personnel will be allocated > under a new staff.ietf.org subdomain, with the LLC being solely > responsible for the approval and management of those addresses > > * existing individual email addresses under ietf.org at the time the > policy goes into effect will continue to receive email, which will > be forwarded to new staff.ietf.org subdomain addresses; and > outbound mail should be preferably be sent from staff.ietf.org > addresses or role-based ietf.org addresses > > We invite the community to send feedback on this proposed policy to > admin-discuss@ietf.org by 24 June 2021. > > Lars Eggert > IETF Chair > > Jason Livingood > Chair, IETF LLC Board > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce From nobody Thu Jun 10 18:28:07 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B35A3A2276 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Proposed ietf.org email address policy X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 01:28:05 -0000 It appears that IETF Chair said: >* the IESG must be consulted before any new email addresses under > ietf.org are created and will have the sole responsibility for > approving and managing addresses under ietf.org > >* new individual email addresses for LLC personnel will be allocated > under a new staff.ietf.org subdomain, with the LLC being solely > responsible for the approval and management of those addresses I understand the goal here is to make it possible to make bob@ietf.org be a mailing list, and bob@staff.ietf.org an unrelated person. That is a terrible idea. I can assure you that if you do that, bob the mailing list will get an endless stream of mail intended for bob the person, and there is no way to stop it. I happen to have a Gmail address which is my first and last names. It gets lots and lots of mail intended for people with names similar to mine who think that my address is their address. Or maybe they know their address, it's mrjohnlevine@gmail.com or johnlevine90210@gmail.com, but whatever it is, people don't hear the extra part and I get the mail. I tell them it's wrong, they apologize, and more often than not the mail continues. (There is a pharmacist in Paris who has given me a standing invitation to drop by the shop due to all the wrong mail he and his friends and the French government have sent me.) For the same reason, no matter how clearly bob@staff.ietf.org tells people his address, they will send mail to bob@ietf.org. He will tell them again, they'll say, oh, right, sorry, and they will send more mail to bob@ietf.org. There are about 8 billion seven-character strings we can use as list names, or 50 billion with embedded digits. When we're setting up a new list or WG, we already have to check that it doesn't collide with any of the existing addresses, and I don't understand why a few more addresses for the collision check is a problem, or that we will be unable to find a suitable address among the billions of available strings. But I am quite sure that moving some of the addresses into a subdomain will create needless pain because you just can't force people to remember that. So let's not try. 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[24.5.53.184]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m6sm6767140wrw.9.2021.06.10.22.34.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Jun 2021 22:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <955186ED-A729-4A3E-9E70-D2BE01D5B8F0@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_24517862-33A7-4EC1-8599-ABCFE94AD644"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 22:34:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20210611012756.BE89FEDC972@ary.qy> Cc: Bob Hinden , IETF Chair , John Levine To: admin-discuss@ietf.org References: <20210611012756.BE89FEDC972@ary.qy> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Proposed ietf.org email address policy X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 05:34:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_24517862-33A7-4EC1-8599-ABCFE94AD644 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, > On Jun 10, 2021, at 6:27 PM, John Levine wrote: >=20 > It appears that IETF Chair said: >> * the IESG must be consulted before any new email addresses under >> ietf.org are created and will have the sole responsibility for >> approving and managing addresses under ietf.org >>=20 >> * new individual email addresses for LLC personnel will be allocated >> under a new staff.ietf.org subdomain, with the LLC being solely >> responsible for the approval and management of those addresses >=20 > I understand the goal here is to make it possible to make bob@ietf.org > be a mailing list, and bob@staff.ietf.org an unrelated person. That = is > a terrible idea. I can assure you that if you do that, bob the = mailing > list will get an endless stream of mail intended for bob the person, = and > there is no way to stop it. >=20 > I happen to have a Gmail address which is my first and last names. It > gets lots and lots of mail intended for people with names similar to > mine who think that my address is their address. Or maybe they know > their address, it's mrjohnlevine@gmail.com or > johnlevine90210@gmail.com, but whatever it is, people don't hear the > extra part and I get the mail. I tell them it's wrong, they apologize, > and more often than not the mail continues. (There is a pharmacist in > Paris who has given me a standing invitation to drop by the shop due > to all the wrong mail he and his friends and the French government > have sent me.) >=20 > For the same reason, no matter how clearly bob@staff.ietf.org tells > people his address, they will send mail to bob@ietf.org. He will tell > them again, they'll say, oh, right, sorry, and they will send more = mail > to bob@ietf.org. >=20 > There are about 8 billion seven-character strings we can use as list = names, > or 50 billion with embedded digits. When we're setting up a new list = or WG, > we already have to check that it doesn't collide with any of the = existing > addresses, and I don't understand why a few more addresses for the = collision > check is a problem, or that we will be unable to find a suitable = address > among the billions of available strings. >=20 > But I am quite sure that moving some of the addresses into a subdomain > will create needless pain because you just can't force people to > remember that. So let's not try. I agree with John. Let=E2=80=99s not do the name@staff.ietf.org thing. = It won=E2=80=99t work for the reasons he describes. A lot of conflicts could be avoided by a policy that people based email = addresses are the form of . Very unlikely to be = conflicts. Bob --Apple-Mail=_24517862-33A7-4EC1-8599-ABCFE94AD644 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAmDC9eUACgkQrut0EXfn u6i88gf/Vmmx+DuxFFTO8Md6xzHP5aVGfss1FnFarssd2gTx6kTpzLulrJbj6CK5 1E+w9PJo3KsjT5USx1M8gk3NG/St+9DuAkbv9nQDL1nVGIML7LMXIOHenQr4Sv6h 0C3S8oJxmJGV8J1DcviMNsPKI97GUNL3Vv78Kd74aarl/a97PZvzJlSUnqexGohq h9Dlb6DqAarDcaDRPXDkoTk3vzRJrkSPFPWZdi1SEhcnCNomTDIJ3UD9qtharJBq GKMl0m93iuro7N+GkfUtpoRbykoIQNacPiFnYXbBANIrNK0VF7St7Ha3197e30L2 GWr3wvaM/hFsO1FQ36xjCp6atsDkMg== =3pBd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_24517862-33A7-4EC1-8599-ABCFE94AD644-- From nobody Sun Jun 13 18:40:41 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DFD3A19C2; Sun, 13 Jun 2021 18:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.08 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.08 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CXIaqNz9Vq_Y; Sun, 13 Jun 2021 18:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D3633A19C1; Sun, 13 Jun 2021 18:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.121.48] (76-218-40-253.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [76.218.40.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 15E1eT7s018520 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Jun 2021 20:40:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1623634831; bh=eXFdg4B0gKrauaTO3mBiTX76Oq1l7VNcXmerXnt1lkg=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=RAVuT7rzfvkzjlHyUOyS9O4lknsFTxZVBWoHlQmQAMgW0dR0DvUIiakjEaJtIiDWg 64Tgdv8dQKNTJRnjY7a/27L9qYkEBgaok7mExW/DHPHbKfn6nYq5Dk+O92Q31XNA11 6xccR7sgPpq2C2BnJ3DA4HzFF/ehqo6EaXwOe7m0= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 76-218-40-253.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [76.218.40.253] claimed to be [172.17.121.48] To: admin-discuss@ietf.org, IETF-Announce Cc: IETF References: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <64453fad-ead9-8b36-51d6-8c4d650cb372@nostrum.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 20:40:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59562F9B-8DDE-408C-ACCD-BC087FE86E1A@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Proposed ietf.org email address policy X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 01:40:40 -0000 I think this proposal takes things in the right direction. Thanks to everyone who worked to craft the policy. /a On 6/10/2021 12:52 PM, IETF Chair wrote: > We are proposing a policy regarding the allocation of individual > administrative email addresses in the ietf.org domain. The proposal > was motivated by a few community members that raised the concern that > continued allocation of individual email addresses under ietf.org > could at some point create collisions for IETF mailing lists. > > Historically, the only email addresses created under the ietf.org > domain were for IETF-associated mailing lists, e.g., for working > groups, the IESG, directorates, etc., for aliases for certain roles, > e.g., chair@ietf.org, or for administrative purposes, e.g., > support@ietf.org. This was not the result of following any explicit > allocation policy, it just happened that way. > > This expanded slightly a number of years ago, on an ad hoc basis, and > now a few individuals - all of them IETF LLC employees - have work > email addresses under ietf.org. > > Therefore, the IESG and LLC Board are considering formalizing a policy > concerning ietf.org email addresses: > > * new email addresses for general and administrative roles under > ietf.org must be chosen to avoid conflicts with potential IETF > mailing list names > > * the IESG must be consulted before any new email addresses under > ietf.org are created and will have the sole responsibility for > approving and managing addresses under ietf.org > > * new individual email addresses for LLC personnel will be allocated > under a new staff.ietf.org subdomain, with the LLC being solely > responsible for the approval and management of those addresses > > * existing individual email addresses under ietf.org at the time the > policy goes into effect will continue to receive email, which will > be forwarded to new staff.ietf.org subdomain addresses; and > outbound mail should be preferably be sent from staff.ietf.org > addresses or role-based ietf.org addresses > > We invite the community to send feedback on this proposed policy to > admin-discuss@ietf.org by 24 June 2021. > > Lars Eggert > IETF Chair > > Jason Livingood > Chair, IETF LLC Board > From nobody Thu Jun 24 12:29:19 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABFD3A2866; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:29:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: IETF Administration LLC Board of Directors Chair To: "IETF Announcement List" Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.32.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <162456295773.15869.8949747208578053158@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:29:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] IETF Administration LLC Completes 2020 Financial Review X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:18 -0000 The IETF Administration LLC Board of Directors has received a clean result for its 2020 stand-alone annual financial statement. This follows on the unqualified result the IETF LLC received for the first-ever review of its 2019 financial statement. For more details, including links to the audited 2020 financial statement and related materials, please see IETF Administration LLC Board Treasurer Sean Turner’s blog post at: https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-llc-2020-financial-review/ Thank you, Jason Livingood Board Chair, IETF Administration LLC ++++++++++ How to Contact the IETF LLC ++++++++++ Executive Director: Exec-Director@ietf.org Sponsorship: sponsorship@ietf.org Board: LLC-Board@ietf.org ++++++++++ General IETF LLC Board Background ++++++++++ About the IETF LLC: https://www.ietf.org/about/administration/ Meeting minutes: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/llc-board/minutes/ Future meetings: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/llc-board/meeting-info/ Financial statements: https://www.ietf.org/about/administration/financial-statements/ From nobody Thu Jun 24 12:38:48 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28573A28C1; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:38:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Administration LLC Board of Directors Chair To: "IETF Announcement List" Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.32.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <162456352279.6858.10540062177137036743@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:38:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] Inform: IASA2 Retrospective - Next Steps X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:38:43 -0000 Hi - Following our April 2021 [1] proposed process for conducting the IASA2 retrospective, we are now taking the next step to share a first draft of the assessment and seek community review & input. Please read all the details in this blog post: https://www.ietf.org/blog/iasa2-retrospective-consultation-starts Thanks, Jason Livingood Board Chair, IETF Administration LLC LLC-Board-Chair@ietf.org [1] https://www.ietf.org/blog/iasa2-three-year-review-process/ ++++++++++ How to Contact the IETF LLC ++++++++++ Executive Director: Exec-Director@ietf.org Sponsorship: sponsorship@ietf.org Board: LLC-Board@ietf.org ++++++++++ General IETF LLC Board Background ++++++++++ About the IETF LLC: https://www.ietf.org/about/administration/ Meeting minutes: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/llc-board/minutes/ Future meetings: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/llc-board/meeting-info/ Financial statements: https://www.ietf.org/about/administration/financial-statements/ From nobody Fri Jun 25 06:15:13 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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