From nobody Thu Dec 2 19:36:34 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C74D3A117F for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2021 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Administration LLC Board of Directors Chair To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.40.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <163850259304.2084.1455908154766546324@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 19:36:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] LLC Board Meeting Details - 9 December 2021 X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 03:36:33 -0000 IETF LLC Board of Directors meetings are conducted via web/teleconference. 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From nobody Wed Dec 8 13:09:35 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C0F3A0BF9; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 13:09:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FIN_FREE=0.1, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RNnZGhtXlNj7; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11A6F3A0BED; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0478E4A7F336; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1pyFf_5zx4Z9; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 13:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 791674A7F331; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 13:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: IETF Executive Director Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: Lee-Berkeley Shaw Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 10:09:20 +1300 Message-Id: Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org To: IETF Announcement List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] Consider a Gift to the IETF Endowment X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 21:09:29 -0000 Please see the note below from our recently appointed Director of = Development, Lee-Berkeley Shaw, regarding the IETF Endowment. In = future, announcements like this will come directly from Lee-Berkeley. =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=20 Dear IETF Community, I=E2=80=99ve had the pleasure of virtually meeting many of you, but for = those I=E2=80=99ve not yet connected with, I=E2=80=99m the newly hired = Director of Development at the IETF Administration LLC. I=E2=80=99ve = been tasked with overseeing fundraising efforts, with specific emphasis = on the IETF Endowment.=20 The end-of-year is, for many, a season of charitable giving. For those = who choose to donate at this time of year, I know you have many causes = worthy of your support - from alma maters to health and safety = organizations. As you weigh your giving options this season, I wanted to = offer the IETF Endowment as an option worthy of consideration. The IETF Endowment was established in 2012 to help support the = activities of the IETF, originally under ISOC and now under the IETF = LLC. The goal is to build a fund that can ensure the sustainability of = the IETF and its work into the future by building financial independence = from any single funder or entity. In comparison to many other standards = organizations, the IETF is not a 'pay-to-play' organization, thereby = ensuring that all participants have an equal voice. However, this is = only possible through the generous support of a small set of donors from = a handful of industries with no long term guarantee of support. A = strong endowment provides that long term guarantee that the IETF remains = independent and is safe from any single point of failure or market = change.=20 Right now is a great time to give to the IETF Endowment. Thanks to a = generous matching opportunity provided by the Internet Society, for = every dollar given to the IETF Endowment, the IETF will receive a 2:1 = match up to US$12M, and a 1:1 match for another US$6M. Your gift will = truly triple in value thanks to their support. In many circumstances, a = gift to the IETF Endowment is also tax deductible.=20 I invite you to take a look at the newly refreshed information about the = IETF Endowment (https://www.ietf.org/endowment), and if you feel so = inclined, make a gift today = (https://www.ietf.org/endowment/donate-ietf-endowment/). If you=E2=80=99d like to talk through the process and/or how the funds = will be managed in greater detail, I also encourage you to reach out to = me, and we can discuss the particulars. Even if you=E2=80=99re not = considering a gift at this time, I welcome an introductory conversation, = as I do want to hear from you and continue to learn about the community = and your needs.=20 Warm wishes to all for a happy and healthy new year, and many thanks for = your consideration of this request to support the IETF Endowment. = Cheers! 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([2601:647:4c80:2eac:5436:f030:9c6f:390a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r23sm506388ooj.37.2021.12.22.11.18.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:18:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <31C868D0-2797-4C3C-A89F-464452C377BB@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BBAA0809-F856-4B31-A0BD-1DFB20A812CB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:18:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: <692d6bd8-beaa-addc-cc70-1d776f8404d4@cs.tcd.ie> Cc: Bob Hinden , admin-discuss@ietf.org To: Stephen Farrell References: <692d6bd8-beaa-addc-cc70-1d776f8404d4@cs.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 19:18:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BBAA0809-F856-4B31-A0BD-1DFB20A812CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I haven=E2=80=99t decided what I think yet, but heard today that RSA = moved their security conference from February to June. See: https://www.rsaconference.com Bob > On Dec 21, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Stephen Farrell = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part >=20 >=20 > On 22/12/2021 01:41, IETF Executive Director wrote: >> 4. is it the right thing to do? >=20 > IMO yes. (While realising others may reasonably disagree.) > Thanks to all involved for being willing to risk the risks. > I hope to attend in person, if possible at that time/place. >=20 > S. > >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_BBAA0809-F856-4B31-A0BD-1DFB20A812CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAmHDefIACgkQrut0EXfn u6hlUAgAvHEUtGcxK3GMyZlINvzi6GV86uF36FndsFlPeuugg6CRDzTMPWwVZEXo Ws0GwfCQOoOSuaevP+kdxylaKZGmM3Wu59lTcJtbcsDs0MeopEbRQ5tMWx+4y1mM phAtTaRZx50zyr9UqF/Cfu8ADSkvvlvyxv5y+Aady3RNJ7DfigpWcBiAc4KFyW4c Ccq/2VXky38ZFGeU5yr1AryRf8ujdpjS5SZiq5iSTzJkjwH9KUpQcFkeByqvU2r3 hkocTRK+0kntKnvm/N2wYVh9Pza9FTQCUdDHUxuOvpXSYa3qtApBnSn9r4qJqNME SG3Dfa594MTUZYXO0n+jf7rNqDoFvA== =qVxw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_BBAA0809-F856-4B31-A0BD-1DFB20A812CB-- From nobody Wed Dec 22 17:16:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFCB3A0EE2 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:16:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_PHARMACY=1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sn6ibdDq4NM3 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 267DB3A0E8F for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3A02549D43 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 02:16:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id AA8C64EA14A; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 02:16:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 02:16:38 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] Jay/*: vaccination certificates (was: Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna) Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 01:16:49 -0000 It would be great if LLC (or anyone else in the know) could try to figure out if / how it is possible to get EU vaccination certificates for non-EU+friends IETF 113 participants - ideally before travel! Yes, you are likely able to enter Austria with just e.g.: a USA CDC vaccination card, BUT those cards can easily be faked or lost without replacement. And in europe, a lot of faked european vaccination cards (yellow WHO) popped up from all those anti-vaxers, and this leads to more and more non-acceptance of anything but proper EU vaxination certificates. Which actually includes compatible certificates from "friends of the eu" (countries who adopted the european certificate standard), but of course no the americas or asiapac countries: https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en It is actually to me still unclear what legal rights you have as a traveller from e.g.: USA to receive an EU vaccination certificate, for example once you are in-country. Colleagues successfully got a certificate, showing in a german pharmacy passport + CDC card, but i have read no legislation that mandates for this to happen. The above EU Page only says "countries may".... Could as well be just counting on friendlyness. And if every IETF'er from asiapac/americas has to figure this out by themselves in Vienna, that would IMHO not be ideal. Interestingly, Switzerland actually has a web page where foreign travellers can request a swiss vaccination certificate before travelling, which is (of course) recognized in EU (counts as EU vax certificate): https://covidcertificate-form.admin.ch/foreign Colleague just got her certificate scanning her CDC card and waiting 24 hours for a swiss cert to come back. while she's still in the USA. Alas, i am not aware of any such service from Austria or (for me personally) Germany [insert rude bitching about the german head of the EU Mrs. UvdLeyen promising a welcome to american tourists early in 2021.. without doing a single thing about it.] Aka: if the IETF folks organizing IETF113 could send to whatever contacts they have in Austria the simple quetion what the austrian equivalent is to above swiss URL, and if there is none, why not, that would be lovely! Cheers Toerless o On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 02:41:52PM +1300, IETF Executive Director wrote: > IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the onsite element in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 March 2022. This is a location change from the originally planned Bangkok, Thailand. > > > # Decision making > > In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully considered the current circumstances, the desire of the community and the guidance of the IESG to answer a series of questions: > > 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? > > We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, as has been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that sensible precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and workable rules. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the country and conferences and restaurants. > > Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries are responding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, we are willing to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed by the time of the meeting that it can go ahead. > > > 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? > > We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international meeting. COVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations and precautions are well understood and practised. Austria in particular has strict rules regarding entry to the country and in-country movement, excellent access to tests and strict controls on the unvaccinated. > > A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy access to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will not be able to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, and the IESG has advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people should not be considered discriminatory. > > The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not travel", but sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting volunteers are willing to travel despite this that we are wiling to take the risk. > > > 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the experience be for both those onsite and those online? > > The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of a normal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be certain that this number will wish to participate onsite but we are willing to take the risk. > > This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to those who choose not to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning a shorter working day similar to fully online meetings and new technology is being provided by Meetecho to provide a more integrated session experience. > > We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a strong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook clause. > > > 4. is it the right thing to do? > > Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that the risk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this is the right thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will inevitably take multiple steps and this is the first of those. > > We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision given the risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is required to participate in person (that includes staff, contractors and supporting volunteers), nor should any participants feel pressure to be onsite, we believe that we are finding the correct balance between personal choice, personal safety and meeting experience. > > The formal assessment is https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vienna_go_no-go_assessment.pdf > > Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than 14 weeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency situation under RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without community consultation. > > > # Registrations > > Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the registration system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will provide details of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite COVID-management practises so that you can make an informed decision. Registration fees will be the same for onsite participation as they have been previously. > > > If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please either reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at exec-director@ietf.org > > Jay > > > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@ietf.org > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Dec 22 17:36:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BBF3A0F00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:36:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_PHARMACY=1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uklkDpff_0yH for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 962AA3A0E65 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED7B436DDB8; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:35:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Lv-0hwCaiO2; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E43BD436DDAB; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:35:54 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:35:50 +1300 Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2894148E-FBAD-4309-91A4-D91251744517@ietf.org> References: To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Jay/*: vaccination certificates (was: Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna) Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 01:36:01 -0000 > On 23/12/2021, at 2:16 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > It would be great if LLC (or anyone else in the know) could try > to figure out if / how it is possible to get EU vaccination > certificates for non-EU+friends IETF 113 participants - ideally > before travel! We will try and find out for you.=20 Jay >=20 > Yes, you are likely able to enter Austria with just e.g.: a > USA CDC vaccination card, BUT those cards can easily be faked > or lost without replacement. And in europe, a lot of faked european > vaccination cards (yellow WHO) popped up from all those anti-vaxers, > and this leads to more and more non-acceptance of anything but > proper EU vaxination certificates. Which actually includes=20 > compatible certificates from "friends of the eu" (countries who > adopted the european certificate standard), but of course > no the americas or asiapac countries: >=20 > = https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-co= vid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en >=20 > It is actually to me still unclear what legal rights you have as > a traveller from e.g.: USA to receive an EU vaccination certificate, > for example once you are in-country. Colleagues successfully got > a certificate, showing in a german pharmacy passport + CDC card, > but i have read no legislation that mandates for this to happen. > The above EU Page only says "countries may".... >=20 > Could as well be just counting on friendlyness. And if every > IETF'er from asiapac/americas has to figure this out by themselves > in Vienna, that would IMHO not be ideal. >=20 > Interestingly, Switzerland actually has a web page where foreign > travellers can request a swiss vaccination certificate before = travelling, > which is (of course) recognized in EU (counts as EU vax certificate): >=20 > https://covidcertificate-form.admin.ch/foreign >=20 > Colleague just got her certificate scanning her CDC card and waiting > 24 hours for a swiss cert to come back. while she's still in the USA. >=20 > Alas, i am not aware of any such service from Austria or (for me > personally) Germany [insert rude bitching about the german head > of the EU Mrs. UvdLeyen promising a welcome to american tourists early > in 2021.. without doing a single thing about it.] >=20 > Aka: if the IETF folks organizing IETF113 could send to whatever > contacts they have in Austria the simple quetion what the austrian > equivalent is to above swiss URL, and if there is none, why not, > that would be lovely! >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > o >=20 > On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 02:41:52PM +1300, IETF Executive Director = wrote: >> IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the = onsite element in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 = March 2022. This is a location change from the originally planned = Bangkok, Thailand. >>=20 >>=20 >> # Decision making >>=20 >> In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully = considered the current circumstances, the desire of the community and = the guidance of the IESG to answer a series of questions: >>=20 >> 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, = as has been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that = sensible precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and = workable rules. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the = country and conferences and restaurants. =20 >>=20 >> Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries = are responding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, = we are willing to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed = by the time of the meeting that it can go ahead. >>=20 >>=20 >> 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international = meeting. COVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations = and precautions are well understood and practised. Austria in = particular has strict rules regarding entry to the country and = in-country movement, excellent access to tests and strict controls on = the unvaccinated. >>=20 >> A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy = access to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will = not be able to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, = and the IESG has advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people = should not be considered discriminatory. >>=20 >> The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not = travel", but sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting = volunteers are willing to travel despite this that we are wiling to take = the risk. >>=20 >>=20 >> 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the = experience be for both those onsite and those online? >>=20 >> The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of = a normal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be = certain that this number will wish to participate onsite but we are = willing to take the risk. >>=20 >> This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid = onsite/online meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to = those who choose not to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning = a shorter working day similar to fully online meetings and new = technology is being provided by Meetecho to provide a more integrated = session experience. >>=20 >> We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a = strong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook = clause.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 4. is it the right thing to do? >>=20 >> Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that = the risk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this = is the right thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will = inevitably take multiple steps and this is the first of those. >>=20 >> We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision = given the risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is = required to participate in person (that includes staff, contractors and = supporting volunteers), nor should any participants feel pressure to be = onsite, we believe that we are finding the correct balance between = personal choice, personal safety and meeting experience. >>=20 >> The formal assessment is = https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vienna_go_no-go_assessment.p= df >>=20 >> Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than = 14 weeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency = situation under RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without = community consultation. >>=20 >>=20 >> # Registrations >>=20 >> Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the = registration system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will = provide details of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite = COVID-management practises so that you can make an informed decision. = Registration fees will be the same for onsite participation as they have = been previously. >>=20 >>=20 >> If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please = either reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at = exec-director@ietf.org >>=20 >> Jay >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> exec-director@ietf.org >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF-Announce mailing list >> IETF-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >=20 > --=20 > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >=20 > --=20 > admin-discuss mailing list > admin-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/admin-discuss >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org From nobody Sun Dec 26 19:23:20 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021983A16B5 for ; 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Sun, 26 Dec 2021 22:23:07 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:23:05 +1100 References: To: admin-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <11ABC314-6378-4CEF-A57A-C43D9A2A85D6@mnot.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 03:23:18 -0000 Hi Jay et al, One question. The linked material: = https://www.vienna.convention.at/en/event-planning/covid-19/update-meeting= s-362408 indicates that an 'EMA-approved vaccine' is required for attending a = meeting, listing 'Biontec/Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & = Johnson'. That list seems to be supported by: = https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threa= ts/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covi= d-19-vaccines-authorised (although 'Nuvaxovid' is a recent entry that isn't yet reflected on the = Vienna convention site) This is more strict than the entry requirements for Austria, which are = those vaccines that are 'approved by the EMA or gone through the EUL = process of the WHO', as per: = https://www.wien.info/en/travel-info/corona-information/arrival-and-depart= ure-388182 Those vaccines are listed at: = https://extranet.who.int/pqweb/vaccines/vaccinescovid-19-vaccine-eul-issue= d As a result, it appears that those who have a non-EMA-approved vaccine = -- e.g., Sinopharm, Sinovac, and three vaccines from India -- might be = allowed into Austria, but will be unable to attend the meeting. This is brushed against in the context of restaurants in item 2.3 of the = assessment, but not mentioned in the context of mass gatherings -- i.e., = the meetings -- in item 2.2. Could you confirm that this is the case, and speak to whether it was = considered during assessment? I ask because it'd be better to sort this = out now and communicate clearly about it, rather than wait until people = have bought tickets and traveled... Cheers, > On 22 Dec 2021, at 12:41 pm, IETF Executive Director = wrote: >=20 > IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the = onsite element in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 = March 2022. This is a location change from the originally planned = Bangkok, Thailand. >=20 >=20 > # Decision making >=20 > In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully = considered the current circumstances, the desire of the community and = the guidance of the IESG to answer a series of questions: >=20 > 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? >=20 > We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, = as has been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that = sensible precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and = workable rules. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the = country and conferences and restaurants. =20 >=20 > Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries = are responding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, = we are willing to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed = by the time of the meeting that it can go ahead. >=20 >=20 > 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? >=20 > We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international = meeting. COVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations = and precautions are well understood and practised. Austria in = particular has strict rules regarding entry to the country and = in-country movement, excellent access to tests and strict controls on = the unvaccinated. >=20 > A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy = access to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will = not be able to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, = and the IESG has advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people = should not be considered discriminatory. >=20 > The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not = travel", but sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting = volunteers are willing to travel despite this that we are wiling to take = the risk. >=20 >=20 > 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the = experience be for both those onsite and those online? >=20 > The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of a = normal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be = certain that this number will wish to participate onsite but we are = willing to take the risk. >=20 > This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid = onsite/online meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to = those who choose not to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning = a shorter working day similar to fully online meetings and new = technology is being provided by Meetecho to provide a more integrated = session experience. >=20 > We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a = strong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook = clause.=20 >=20 >=20 > 4. is it the right thing to do? >=20 > Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that = the risk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this = is the right thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will = inevitably take multiple steps and this is the first of those. >=20 > We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision = given the risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is = required to participate in person (that includes staff, contractors and = supporting volunteers), nor should any participants feel pressure to be = onsite, we believe that we are finding the correct balance between = personal choice, personal safety and meeting experience. >=20 > The formal assessment is = https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vienna_go_no-go_assessment.p= df >=20 > Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than = 14 weeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency = situation under RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without = community consultation. >=20 >=20 > # Registrations >=20 > Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the = registration system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will = provide details of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite = COVID-management practises so that you can make an informed decision. = Registration fees will be the same for onsite participation as they have = been previously. >=20 >=20 > If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please = either reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at = exec-director@ietf.org >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@ietf.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Mon Dec 27 08:44:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346B53A0E4E for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 08:44:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QXh6BDgIY-lc for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 08:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cl (mail.nic.cl [200.1.123.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2AC73A0E4F for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 08:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nic.cl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EB71808A21C for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 13:44:37 -0300 (-03) Received: from pepino (unknown [IPv6:2800:150:126:1e44:6a34:e816:8127:2b7a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.nic.cl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BCEF81808A214 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 13:44:37 -0300 (-03) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 13:44:36 -0300 From: Hugo Salgado To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20211227164436.GB3710@pepino> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on Mon Dec 27 13:44:37 2021 -0300 (-03) (mail.nic.cl) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 16:44:48 -0000 --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to report an error in the "IETF 113 Vienna go/no-go assessment" document referred in the announcement. In page 3, criterion 2.3, it reads "... However, it should be noted that the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines, while recognised for entry to the country are recognised for entry to restaurants". This should be corrected to "... while recognised for entry to the country, are *NOT* recognised for entry to restaurants", as informed in https://www.wien.info/en/travel-info/corona-information/arrival-and-departu= re-388182 The error completely changes the meaning of the recommendation. Best regards, Hugo Salgado On 14:41 22/12, IETF Executive Director wrote: > IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the onsite e= lement in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 March 2022. = This is a location change from the originally planned Bangkok, Thailand. >=20 >=20 > # Decision making >=20 > In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully conside= red the current circumstances, the desire of the community and the guidance= of the IESG to answer a series of questions: >=20 > 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? >=20 > We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, as h= as been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that sensibl= e precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and workable ru= les. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the country and c= onferences and restaurants. =20 >=20 > Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries are = responding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, we are = willing to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed by the time= of the meeting that it can go ahead. >=20 >=20 > 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? >=20 > We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international meeting. = COVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations and precautio= ns are well understood and practised. Austria in particular has strict ru= les regarding entry to the country and in-country movement, excellent acces= s to tests and strict controls on the unvaccinated. >=20 > A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy acce= ss to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will not be a= ble to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, and the IESG= has advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people should not be consi= dered discriminatory. >=20 > The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not travel", b= ut sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting volunteers are w= illing to travel despite this that we are wiling to take the risk. >=20 >=20 > 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the experience b= e for both those onsite and those online? >=20 > The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of a no= rmal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be certain t= hat this number will wish to participate onsite but we are willing to take = the risk. >=20 > This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid onsite/onl= ine meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to those who choose = not to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning a shorter working da= y similar to fully online meetings and new technology is being provided by = Meetecho to provide a more integrated session experience. >=20 > We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a str= ong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook clause= =2E=20 >=20 >=20 > 4. is it the right thing to do? >=20 > Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that the r= isk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this is the ri= ght thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will inevitably take multi= ple steps and this is the first of those. >=20 > We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision given = the risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is required to pa= rticipate in person (that includes staff, contractors and supporting volunt= eers), nor should any participants feel pressure to be onsite, we believe t= hat we are finding the correct balance between personal choice, personal sa= fety and meeting experience. >=20 > The formal assessment is https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vi= enna_go_no-go_assessment.pdf >=20 > Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than 14 w= eeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency situation unde= r RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without community consultatio= n. >=20 >=20 > # Registrations >=20 > Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the registra= tion system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will provide deta= ils of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite COVID-management pr= actises so that you can make an informed decision. Registration fees will = be the same for onsite participation as they have been previously. >=20 >=20 > If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please eit= her reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at exec-director@ietf= =2Eorg >=20 > Jay >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@ietf.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >=20 --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEV6FHQYxbYRHTM+xJsO5EsOb06a0FAmHJ7XAACgkQsO5EsOb0 6a2zUw//XcYuZbOffFbOxbDgWjxhotTimolF0iFavWQcUOzA1SXNfLdSd/WueB07 1wO7jVp+ixJzTrcBErUGbeg+uDjgBMNb11lYTBN3ZlR1mmnaFaDOFmCVxu8qRS4F Nbi3jvqsQABP2XJgpt5mQ4dX3bUS8jwsz1PjYcT5DxHG1EelbYxKa2xCcKslFXJ3 RwZaa12kHVKEgkvkSeJmI6iWNdMaNgGA5cMZy9JwytLq2+o+cHooRdlB+7osDWkD xg03wGdVeyM/n4ZbXss9CZu9ndG5jOTmJIHEw4XKEh0/AZhu5Wi6oN/574Muy2H2 gtTwLHV8DhFsUg3E781Alm3rORiIvXtM9vs4UZkf9KpJY/zPTOOZQkJz+pUcKxac u7fdOjWQ04gYDtlCpZSTPYzC7uMweekblDqyEBQFkRqgI4TPrGeMsHBYP3aZ4KXR 3XoJLKhLpNFu9dgKsEUI5drowv+WuUXGaZHUKxuoDViboV1xTyb88hQWv2/GkkD7 Z0yznJb/28zl1pDj6vpizVw9pWjN4agGGLuxKePLIirA5M8z+I03gzo4fttGWxcC 5nlrX9zFcjMgEvQzeYLKuPX8Rcq5u9p3BbFliHNiGNERWu0kbV3ttjnzWEQvvBKd 6ppXaa0AsX1FdAPDhpoxFyNWz8UaYuW+nWujg94/f+/uwJ13B8U= =0uaY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc-- From nobody Wed Dec 29 00:03:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F78A3A1012 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:02:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZK6KpunrYDhz for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE6093A100F for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EF8411363A; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:02:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GORAird4xvUN; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B55A404BFAE; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:02:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jay Daley Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 21:02:48 +1300 Message-Id: <00824696-B619-493C-AA22-0BB17834FE54@ietf.org> References: <20211227164436.GB3710@pepino> Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20211227164436.GB3710@pepino> To: Hugo Salgado X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19B74) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:02:59 -0000 Hi Hugo > On 28/12/2021, at 5:44 AM, Hugo Salgado wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFI want to report an error in the "IETF 113 Vienna go/no-go assess= ment" > document referred in the announcement. >=20 > In page 3, criterion 2.3, it reads "... However, it should be noted > that the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines, while recognised for entry to > the country are recognised for entry to restaurants". This should be > corrected to "... while recognised for entry to the country, are *NOT* > recognised for entry to restaurants", as informed in > https://www.wien.info/en/travel-info/corona-information/arrival-and-depart= ure-388182 >=20 > The error completely changes the meaning of the recommendation. There is indeed a =E2=80=98not=E2=80=99 missing but the error is in the text= not the recommendation as that was based on the correct text.=20 Jay --=20 Jay Daley=20 IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Hugo Salgado >=20 >> On 14:41 22/12, IETF Executive Director wrote: >> IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the onsite e= lement in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 March 2022. T= his is a location change from the originally planned Bangkok, Thailand. >>=20 >>=20 >> # Decision making >>=20 >> In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully conside= red the current circumstances, the desire of the community and the guidance o= f the IESG to answer a series of questions: >>=20 >> 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, as h= as been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that sensible= precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and workable rule= s. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the country and conf= erences and restaurants. =20 >>=20 >> Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries are r= esponding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, we are wi= lling to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed by the time of= the meeting that it can go ahead. >>=20 >>=20 >> 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international meeting. C= OVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations and precautions= are well understood and practised. Austria in particular has strict rules= regarding entry to the country and in-country movement, excellent access to= tests and strict controls on the unvaccinated. >>=20 >> A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy acce= ss to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will not be ab= le to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, and the IESG h= as advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people should not be consider= ed discriminatory. >>=20 >> The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not travel", b= ut sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting volunteers are wi= lling to travel despite this that we are wiling to take the risk. >>=20 >>=20 >> 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the experience b= e for both those onsite and those online? >>=20 >> The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of a no= rmal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be certain th= at this number will wish to participate onsite but we are willing to take th= e risk. >>=20 >> This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid onsite/onl= ine meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to those who choose n= ot to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning a shorter working day s= imilar to fully online meetings and new technology is being provided by Meet= echo to provide a more integrated session experience. >>=20 >> We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a str= ong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook clause.= =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 4. is it the right thing to do? >>=20 >> Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that the r= isk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this is the rig= ht thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will inevitably take multipl= e steps and this is the first of those. >>=20 >> We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision given t= he risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is required to part= icipate in person (that includes staff, contractors and supporting volunteer= s), nor should any participants feel pressure to be onsite, we believe that w= e are finding the correct balance between personal choice, personal safety a= nd meeting experience. >>=20 >> The formal assessment is https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vi= enna_go_no-go_assessment.pdf >>=20 >> Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than 14 w= eeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency situation under= RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without community consultation.= >>=20 >>=20 >> # Registrations >>=20 >> Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the registra= tion system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will provide detai= ls of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite COVID-management prac= tises so that you can make an informed decision. Registration fees will be t= he same for onsite participation as they have been previously. >>=20 >>=20 >> If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please eit= her reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at exec-director@ietf.= org >>=20 >> Jay >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> exec-director@ietf.org >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF-Announce mailing list >> IETF-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >>=20 > --=20 > admin-discuss mailing list > admin-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/admin-discuss From nobody Wed Dec 29 00:07:32 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D633A102E for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:07:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MjIKVCw--7V1 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AE363A102D for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F99411363A; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:07:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gfh_5CZjh847; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [158.140.230.105]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF6FB404BFAE; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 00:07:24 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jay Daley Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 21:07:22 +1300 Message-Id: References: <11ABC314-6378-4CEF-A57A-C43D9A2A85D6@mnot.net> Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <11ABC314-6378-4CEF-A57A-C43D9A2A85D6@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19B74) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:07:31 -0000 That page was updated on 27th Dec, after the assessment, and it does appear t= o be different from the information used for the assessment. We will reach o= ut to local contacts to confirm the correct position and then consider the i= mplications.=20 Jay --=20 Jay Daley=20 IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org > On 27/12/2021, at 4:23 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHi Jay et al, >=20 > One question. The linked material: > https://www.vienna.convention.at/en/event-planning/covid-19/update-meetin= gs-362408 > indicates that an 'EMA-approved vaccine' is required for attending a meeti= ng, listing 'Biontec/Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson'. That l= ist seems to be supported by: > https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-thre= ats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid= -19-vaccines-authorised > (although 'Nuvaxovid' is a recent entry that isn't yet reflected on the Vi= enna convention site) >=20 > This is more strict than the entry requirements for Austria, which are tho= se vaccines that are 'approved by the EMA or gone through the EUL process of= the WHO', as per: > https://www.wien.info/en/travel-info/corona-information/arrival-and-depar= ture-388182 >=20 > Those vaccines are listed at: > https://extranet.who.int/pqweb/vaccines/vaccinescovid-19-vaccine-eul-issu= ed >=20 > As a result, it appears that those who have a non-EMA-approved vaccine -- e= .g., Sinopharm, Sinovac, and three vaccines from India -- might be allowed i= nto Austria, but will be unable to attend the meeting. >=20 > This is brushed against in the context of restaurants in item 2.3 of the a= ssessment, but not mentioned in the context of mass gatherings -- i.e., the m= eetings -- in item 2.2. >=20 > Could you confirm that this is the case, and speak to whether it was consi= dered during assessment? I ask because it'd be better to sort this out now a= nd communicate clearly about it, rather than wait until people have bought t= ickets and traveled... >=20 > Cheers, >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 22 Dec 2021, at 12:41 pm, IETF Executive Director wrote: >>=20 >> IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the onsite e= lement in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 March 2022. T= his is a location change from the originally planned Bangkok, Thailand. >>=20 >>=20 >> # Decision making >>=20 >> In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully conside= red the current circumstances, the desire of the community and the guidance o= f the IESG to answer a series of questions: >>=20 >> 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, as h= as been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that sensible= precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and workable rule= s. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the country and conf= erences and restaurants. =20 >>=20 >> Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries are r= esponding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, we are wi= lling to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed by the time of= the meeting that it can go ahead. >>=20 >>=20 >> 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international meeting. C= OVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations and precautions= are well understood and practised. Austria in particular has strict rules= regarding entry to the country and in-country movement, excellent access to= tests and strict controls on the unvaccinated. >>=20 >> A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy acce= ss to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will not be ab= le to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, and the IESG h= as advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people should not be consider= ed discriminatory. >>=20 >> The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not travel", b= ut sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting volunteers are wi= lling to travel despite this that we are wiling to take the risk. >>=20 >>=20 >> 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the experience b= e for both those onsite and those online? >>=20 >> The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of a no= rmal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be certain th= at this number will wish to participate onsite but we are willing to take th= e risk. >>=20 >> This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid onsite/onl= ine meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to those who choose n= ot to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning a shorter working day s= imilar to fully online meetings and new technology is being provided by Meet= echo to provide a more integrated session experience. >>=20 >> We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a str= ong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook clause.= =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 4. is it the right thing to do? >>=20 >> Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that the r= isk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this is the rig= ht thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will inevitably take multipl= e steps and this is the first of those. >>=20 >> We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision given t= he risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is required to part= icipate in person (that includes staff, contractors and supporting volunteer= s), nor should any participants feel pressure to be onsite, we believe that w= e are finding the correct balance between personal choice, personal safety a= nd meeting experience. >>=20 >> The formal assessment is https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vi= enna_go_no-go_assessment.pdf >>=20 >> Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than 14 w= eeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency situation under= RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without community consultation.= >>=20 >>=20 >> # Registrations >>=20 >> Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the registra= tion system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will provide detai= ls of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite COVID-management prac= tises so that you can make an informed decision. Registration fees will be t= he same for onsite participation as they have been previously. >>=20 >>=20 >> If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please eit= her reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at exec-director@ietf.= org >>=20 >> Jay >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> exec-director@ietf.org >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF-Announce mailing list >> IETF-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 > --=20 > admin-discuss mailing list > admin-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/admin-discuss >=20