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How many rooms have been reserved for those who pay to attend (as opposed to those who attend ex-officio)? 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In order for proof of vaccination to be accepted in Austria under the = 2-G rule, the COVID-19 vaccines must be approved by the European = Medicines Agency (EMA). On the other hand, if the corona vaccination was = carried out with a COVID-19 vaccine that was not approved by the EMA = (e.g. Sputnik V), the National Vaccination Board recommends that = affected persons carry out a test for neutralizing antibodies and take a = dose of an mRNA vaccine (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna) approved by the EMA. = The minimum distance to the previous vaccination series should be one = month. At European level, neutralizing antibodies are not provided for = in the certificates of the Green Passport. Therefore, although a = vaccination certificate is issued for the 1st Dose issued with the = information "Dose 1 of 2", but this alone does not confirm active = vaccination protection. In Austria and when traveling to Austria, the = detection of neutralizing antibodies must therefore be shown together = with the proof of vaccination. The validity of this combination as a 2-G = detection is determined here as 270 days from the date of vaccination. If desired, the administration of the mRNA vaccines according to the = usual vaccination schedule consisting of 2 doses is also possible, but = an increased side effect rate cannot be ruled out. After receiving the = second vaccination, the validity period of the vaccination certificate = as a 2-G proof is 270 days, with at least 14 days elapsed between the = two vaccinations. (12/07/2021, 12:00) """ = > On 29 Dec 2021, at 7:07 pm, Jay Daley wrote: >=20 > That page was updated on 27th Dec, after the assessment, and it does = appear to be different from the information used for the assessment. We = will reach out to local contacts to confirm the correct position and = then consider the implications.=20 >=20 > Jay >=20 > --=20 > Jay Daley=20 > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@ietf.org >=20 >> On 27/12/2021, at 4:23 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFHi Jay et al, >>=20 >> One question. The linked material: >> = https://www.vienna.convention.at/en/event-planning/covid-19/update-meeting= s-362408 >> indicates that an 'EMA-approved vaccine' is required for attending a = meeting, listing 'Biontec/Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & = Johnson'. That list seems to be supported by: >> = https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threa= ts/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covi= d-19-vaccines-authorised >> (although 'Nuvaxovid' is a recent entry that isn't yet reflected on = the Vienna convention site) >>=20 >> This is more strict than the entry requirements for Austria, which = are those vaccines that are 'approved by the EMA or gone through the EUL = process of the WHO', as per: >> = https://www.wien.info/en/travel-info/corona-information/arrival-and-depart= ure-388182 >>=20 >> Those vaccines are listed at: >> = https://extranet.who.int/pqweb/vaccines/vaccinescovid-19-vaccine-eul-issue= d >>=20 >> As a result, it appears that those who have a non-EMA-approved = vaccine -- e.g., Sinopharm, Sinovac, and three vaccines from India -- = might be allowed into Austria, but will be unable to attend the meeting. >>=20 >> This is brushed against in the context of restaurants in item 2.3 of = the assessment, but not mentioned in the context of mass gatherings -- = i.e., the meetings -- in item 2.2. >>=20 >> Could you confirm that this is the case, and speak to whether it was = considered during assessment? I ask because it'd be better to sort this = out now and communicate clearly about it, rather than wait until people = have bought tickets and traveled... >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 12:41 pm, IETF Executive Director = wrote: >>>=20 >>> IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the = onsite element in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 = March 2022. This is a location change from the originally planned = Bangkok, Thailand. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> # Decision making >>>=20 >>> In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully = considered the current circumstances, the desire of the community and = the guidance of the IESG to answer a series of questions: >>>=20 >>> 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? >>>=20 >>> We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, = as has been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that = sensible precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and = workable rules. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the = country and conferences and restaurants. =20 >>>=20 >>> Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries = are responding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, = we are willing to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed = by the time of the meeting that it can go ahead. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? >>>=20 >>> We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international = meeting. COVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations = and precautions are well understood and practised. Austria in = particular has strict rules regarding entry to the country and = in-country movement, excellent access to tests and strict controls on = the unvaccinated. >>>=20 >>> A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy = access to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will = not be able to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, = and the IESG has advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people = should not be considered discriminatory. >>>=20 >>> The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not = travel", but sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting = volunteers are willing to travel despite this that we are wiling to take = the risk. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the = experience be for both those onsite and those online? >>>=20 >>> The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of = a normal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be = certain that this number will wish to participate onsite but we are = willing to take the risk. >>>=20 >>> This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid = onsite/online meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to = those who choose not to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning = a shorter working day similar to fully online meetings and new = technology is being provided by Meetecho to provide a more integrated = session experience. >>>=20 >>> We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has = a strong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong = cancel-and-rebook clause.=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 4. is it the right thing to do? >>>=20 >>> Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that = the risk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this = is the right thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will = inevitably take multiple steps and this is the first of those. >>>=20 >>> We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision = given the risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is = required to participate in person (that includes staff, contractors and = supporting volunteers), nor should any participants feel pressure to be = onsite, we believe that we are finding the correct balance between = personal choice, personal safety and meeting experience. >>>=20 >>> The formal assessment is = https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vienna_go_no-go_assessment.p= df >>>=20 >>> Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than = 14 weeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency = situation under RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without = community consultation. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> # Registrations >>>=20 >>> Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the = registration system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will = provide details of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite = COVID-management practises so that you can make an informed decision. = Registration fees will be the same for onsite participation as they have = been previously. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then = please either reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at = exec-director@ietf.org >>>=20 >>> Jay >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Jay Daley >>> IETF Executive Director >>> exec-director@ietf.org >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IETF-Announce mailing list >>> IETF-Announce@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> --=20 >> admin-discuss mailing list >> admin-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/admin-discuss >>=20 -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Jan 6 17:02:44 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF183A0C3D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2022 17:02:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Administration LLC Board of Directors Chair To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.41.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <164151736083.5181.15279485585151161351@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:02:41 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] LLC Board Meeting Details - 13 January 2022 X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2022 01:02:42 -0000 IETF LLC Board of Directors meetings are conducted via web/teleconference. 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From nobody Mon Jan 17 17:10:19 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFED3A0B1F; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XYftV6_x5MRm; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 172BA3A0B1C; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FA0D58C4AF; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:10:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 88E264EA3BB; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:10:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:10:01 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: admin-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, exec-director@ietf.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] non-EMA vaccinated IETF113 in-person participation ? Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:10:13 -0000 Jay, Because i was curious and did not find the answer to my questions on the IETF web page, i just called the reception of the Hilton Vienna Park and asked what happens if someone wants to check in who does only have non-EMA approved vaccinations - such as the russian or chinese vaccines. The answer was that such a person could only be checked in for emergency because she can not be sent back directly. If it was a person who could be sent back (austrians, germans, etc..) , she would be sent back. But such a person would not be allowed to attend the conference in the Hilton Hotel, but would have to stay in her room. Hopefully this information is wrong, but given how it was from the reception, any overriding rules would have to be explained to the reception person too. Or are we playing a gamble on getting the russian/chinese vaccines approved by EMA in time for IETF113 ? Cheers Toerless On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 02:41:52PM +1300, IETF Executive Director wrote: > IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the onsite element in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 March 2022. This is a location change from the originally planned Bangkok, Thailand. > > > # Decision making > > In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully considered the current circumstances, the desire of the community and the guidance of the IESG to answer a series of questions: > > 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? > > We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, as has been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that sensible precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and workable rules. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the country and conferences and restaurants. > > Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries are responding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, we are willing to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed by the time of the meeting that it can go ahead. > > > 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? > > We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international meeting. COVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations and precautions are well understood and practised. Austria in particular has strict rules regarding entry to the country and in-country movement, excellent access to tests and strict controls on the unvaccinated. > > A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy access to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will not be able to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, and the IESG has advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people should not be considered discriminatory. > > The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not travel", but sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting volunteers are willing to travel despite this that we are wiling to take the risk. > > > 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the experience be for both those onsite and those online? > > The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of a normal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be certain that this number will wish to participate onsite but we are willing to take the risk. > > This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to those who choose not to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning a shorter working day similar to fully online meetings and new technology is being provided by Meetecho to provide a more integrated session experience. > > We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a strong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook clause. > > > 4. is it the right thing to do? > > Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that the risk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this is the right thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will inevitably take multiple steps and this is the first of those. > > We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision given the risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is required to participate in person (that includes staff, contractors and supporting volunteers), nor should any participants feel pressure to be onsite, we believe that we are finding the correct balance between personal choice, personal safety and meeting experience. > > The formal assessment is https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vienna_go_no-go_assessment.pdf > > Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than 14 weeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency situation under RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without community consultation. > > > # Registrations > > Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the registration system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will provide details of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite COVID-management practises so that you can make an informed decision. Registration fees will be the same for onsite participation as they have been previously. > > > If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please either reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at exec-director@ietf.org > > Jay > > > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@ietf.org > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Mon Jan 17 17:18:32 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59743A0D7C; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:18:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62vWIc7xXnph; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 455113A0D76; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a436.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.164.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Jd9rX5mVMzDCcY; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:18:20 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:18:20 +0100 Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, exec-director@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664161500.3656141-813db4ead9cffd7ab36aa19919a7d83c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] non-EMA vaccinated IETF113 in-person participation ? Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:18:30 -0000 On 2022-01-18, at 02:10, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > Or are we playing a gamble on getting the russian/chinese vaccines = approved by > EMA in time for IETF113 ? Not sure that would be a wise gamble to engage in. There is still time to get the EMA-approved vaccines, though, which = might be convenient as boosters anyway. (But I=E2=80=99m hearing the = return conditions for Chinese participants would be very onerous, so = I=E2=80=99m not sure a lot of them will come physically.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Jan 17 17:29:53 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFB43A0E27; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:29:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DxFsJFXkfXRy; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 545DF3A0E25; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4524C58C4AF; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:29:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 2AA874EA3BB; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:29:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:29:37 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, exec-director@ietf.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] non-EMA vaccinated IETF113 in-person participation ? Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:29:47 -0000 On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 02:18:20AM +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2022-01-18, at 02:10, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > Or are we playing a gamble on getting the russian/chinese vaccines approved by > > EMA in time for IETF113 ? > > Not sure that would be a wise gamble to engage in. > > There is still time to get the EMA-approved vaccines, though, which might be convenient as boosters anyway. (But I’m hearing the return conditions for Chinese participants would be very onerous, so I’m not sure a lot of them will come physically.) 2 additional shots in february doesn't sound exciting either, when there is likely very little knowledge about the impact of doing that after you had received 2 other vaccine shots some months before. But the fact that such shots would invalidate prior shots with a chinese permitted vaccine does put the icing on the cake. Where did you hear this info ? Cheers Toerless From nobody Mon Jan 17 18:36:22 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661B23A1229; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:36:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9GqIUrHZmW26; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E04153A1228; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a436.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.164.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4JdCZK3F9kzDCc1; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:36:09 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:36:09 +0100 Cc: admin-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 664166168.956414-b9b0e435b9936c3e15e4be91a68edd94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2ADB554C-3F41-4031-975F-1DCDD46AF374@tzi.org> References: To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] non-EMA vaccinated IETF113 in-person participation ? Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:36:20 -0000 >=20 > 2 additional shots in february doesn't sound exciting either, > when there is likely very little knowledge about the impact of doing = that > after you had received 2 other vaccine shots some months before. Cross-vaccination is now relatively well understood (I=E2=80=99m not an = expert in this, but e.g. my wife got three different vaccines over the = course of 2021). > But the fact that such shots would invalidate prior shots with > a chinese permitted vaccine does put the icing on the cake. > Where did you hear this info ? I don=E2=80=99t know what=E2=80=99s being invalidated here. The non-EMA vaccinations essentially don=E2=80=99t count; you show your = two EMA vaccinations and are admitted. 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Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:48:01 -0000 On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 03:36:09AM +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > 2 additional shots in february doesn't sound exciting either, > > when there is likely very little knowledge about the impact of doing that > > after you had received 2 other vaccine shots some months before. > > Cross-vaccination is now relatively well understood (I’m not an expert in this, but e.g. my wife got three different vaccines over the course of 2021). Sure, but there where no recommendations from health organizations until there was a) A need to do so (e.g.: because of side effects in specific groups) b) There was a sufficient large number of people who did it without problems in before. AFAIK, except for international chinese travellers, there is no a), and so there is no b) (for chinese + EMA vaccines). So you're on your own in making a risk assessment. > > But the fact that such shots would invalidate prior shots with > > a chinese permitted vaccine does put the icing on the cake. > > Where did you hear this info ? > > I don’t know what’s being invalidated here. > The non-EMA vaccinations essentially don’t count; you show your two EMA vaccinations and are admitted. The way i read your first email, it sounded as if returning to China would be more painful (wrt to isolation rules) if you ALSO got a non-chinese vaccination (of course i am assuming you would have received a chinese vaccination in before). Maybe i misunderstood you there. If return is the same whether or not you also got additional EMA shots, then thats a country, not IETF issue IMHO. Didn't Australia prohibit return of australian citizens some time last year ? Aka: nothing IETF can do about that. 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XPpcISjCnqEF; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2BDE3A03AA; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720D845841FA; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pjerTx6icwlb; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [70.18.229.17]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D10FD45841F3; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:29:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Greg Wood In-Reply-To: <0CBC8B8C-1F67-45C2-A146-B990C86EC53B@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 12:29:32 -0500 Cc: Toerless Eckert , "admin-discuss@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , LLC Board Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0F0E3C6D-53C2-4705-B002-FA07354ED039@staff.ietf.org> References: <0CBC8B8C-1F67-45C2-A146-B990C86EC53B@cisco.com> To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] non-EMA vaccinated IETF113 in-person participation ? Re: IETF 113 will be a hybrid onsite/online meeting in Vienna, Austria X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:29:41 -0000 A general note on timing: In addition to the FAQ currently published [1], the Secretariat and LLC = have been working through a lot of details and will share those as soon = as possible, hopefully within the next day. As Jason mentioned elsewhere, one of those things will be setting up the = 113attendess list as a forum for 113-specific questions and discussions. More soon, -Greg [1] The COVID-related FAQ for 113 (last updated on 13 Jan as of this = note) is at: = https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/113/covid-related-requirements/ As = mentioned, suggestions are gratefully accepted at: support@ietf.org > On 18, Jan2022, at 10:45, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) = wrote: >=20 > Just a FYI: Jay is on vacation if not mistaken and until 25th of = January, so, do not expect a reply from him. >=20 > I am confident that the registration information for IETF-113 will = contain a LOT of information related to COVID-19... >=20 > Regards >=20 > -=C3=A9ric >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 18/01/2022, 02:10, "ietf on behalf of Toerless Eckert" = wrote: >=20 > Jay, >=20 > Because i was curious and did not find the answer to my questions = on the > IETF web page, i just called the reception of the Hilton Vienna = Park > and asked what happens if someone wants to check in who does only = have > non-EMA approved vaccinations - such as the russian or chinese = vaccines. >=20 > The answer was that such a person could only be checked in for = emergency > because she can not be sent back directly. If it was a person who = could > be sent back (austrians, germans, etc..) , she would be sent back. = But such > a person would not be allowed to attend the conference in the = Hilton Hotel, > but would have to stay in her room. >=20 > Hopefully this information is wrong, but given how it was from the = reception, > any overriding rules would have to be explained to the reception = person too. >=20 > Or are we playing a gamble on getting the russian/chinese vaccines = approved by > EMA in time for IETF113 ? >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 02:41:52PM +1300, IETF Executive Director = wrote: >> IETF 113 will be held as a hybrid onsite/online meeting with the = onsite element in Vienna, Austria at the Hilton Vienna Park from 19-25 = March 2022. This is a location change from the originally planned = Bangkok, Thailand. >>=20 >>=20 >> # Decision making >>=20 >> In making this decision the IETF Administration LLC has carefully = considered the current circumstances, the desire of the community and = the guidance of the IESG to answer a series of questions: >>=20 >> 1. Is it possible to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is now possible to hold an international meeting, = as has been shown by the recent IGF meeting among others, provided that = sensible precautions are taken and that the chosen venue has clear and = workable rules. Austria has clear and workable rules for entry into the = country and conferences and restaurants. =20 >>=20 >> Clearly, the omicron variant is quickly spreading and some countries = are responding to that with lockdowns and other restrictions. However, = we are willing to take the risk that this will be sufficiently managed = by the time of the meeting that it can go ahead. >>=20 >>=20 >> 2. Is it safe to hold an international onsite meeting? >>=20 >> We believe that it is acceptably safe to hold an international = meeting. COVID-19 is now endemic in most countries and the mitigations = and precautions are well understood and practised. Austria in = particular has strict rules regarding entry to the country and = in-country movement, excellent access to tests and strict controls on = the unvaccinated. >>=20 >> A strong majority of IETF participants reside in countries with easy = access to vaccines, including a booster shot. Unvaccinated people will = not be able to enter the country or participate onsite at the meeting, = and the IESG has advised that this exclusion of unvaccinated people = should not be considered discriminatory. >>=20 >> The US State Dept currently rates Austria at "level 4 - do not = travel", but sufficient numbers of staff, contractors and supporting = volunteers are willing to travel despite this that we are wiling to take = the risk. >>=20 >>=20 >> 3. Is it viable to hold an onsite meeting and what will the = experience be for both those onsite and those online? >>=20 >> The IESG has advised that a meeting of approximately 50% the size of = a normal in person meeting (~500 people) is acceptable. We cannot be = certain that this number will wish to participate onsite but we are = willing to take the risk. >>=20 >> This will not be a normal onsite meetings, it will be a hybrid = onsite/online meeting with changes made so that any disadvantage to = those who choose not to travel will be minimised. The IESG is planning = a shorter working day similar to fully online meetings and new = technology is being provided by Meetecho to provide a more integrated = session experience. >>=20 >> We believe that the financial risk is acceptable. The contract has a = strong force majeure cancellation clause and a strong cancel-and-rebook = clause.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 4. is it the right thing to do? >>=20 >> Many in our community want to meet in person again and believe that = the risk in doing so is acceptable and we believe that supporting this = is the right thing to do. Moving back to normal meetings will = inevitably take multiple steps and this is the first of those. >>=20 >> We are well aware that some will regard this as the wrong decision = given the risks to personal safety involved. However as nobody is = required to participate in person (that includes staff, contractors and = supporting volunteers), nor should any participants feel pressure to be = onsite, we believe that we are finding the correct balance between = personal choice, personal safety and meeting experience. >>=20 >> The formal assessment is = https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_113_Vienna_go_no-go_assessment.p= df >>=20 >> Finally, just to note: as this decision is being made with less than = 14 weeks to go until the meeting, this qualifies as an emergency = situation under RFC 9137 and so this decision has been made without = community consultation. >>=20 >>=20 >> # Registrations >>=20 >> Registrations will open in the new year when we have updated the = registration system and sorted out European VAT. At that time we will = provide details of what to expect both in travelling and our onsite = COVID-management practises so that you can make an informed decision. = Registration fees will be the same for onsite participation as they have = been previously. >>=20 >>=20 >> If you have any questions or wish to discuss this further then please = either reply to admin-discuss@ietf.org or directly to me at = exec-director@ietf.org >>=20 >> Jay >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> exec-director@ietf.org >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF-Announce mailing list >> IETF-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >=20 > --=20 > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jan 19 08:57:02 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD98E3A13B6; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:56:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vz-qtQetGniW; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B4DF3A13B2; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492324372B87; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cRHvi3l6kPCo; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [70.18.229.17]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D35C54198926; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Wood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: 113attendees@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 11:56:48 -0500 Message-Id: <321C40AC-5B24-49F5-B2C1-1AD8AF20F2DC@staff.ietf.org> Cc: 113attendees@ietf.org To: manycouches@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] IETF 113 Updates on 2022-01-19 X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:56:55 -0000 Hello, A few updates as we work to organize and come together for our = first-ever hybrid IETF meeting on 19-25 March: + Registration Registration is now expected to be open next week (after 24 January). = There have been unforeseen delays with the VAT process which must be = completed before accepting registrations. This is now expected to be = completed in the next few days. Further details about how the = registration process will work will be shared shortly ahead of its = opening. + Participant discussions The 113attendees@ietf.org email list is set up for discussions related = to the upcoming meeting. The list is now open for subscription by anyone = (including those who are not yet sure about whether they will register = for in person or remote participation) at:=20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/113attendees Replies to this message are set to be sent to that list. The IETF 113 meeting wiki is also now live at: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/ietf113=20 Both the mailing list and wiki may be used by anyone contemplating IETF = 113 participation, for example to share information about things not = arranged by the LLC or Secretariat such as local amenities and travel = insurance.=20 + Questions and FAQs For answers from the Secretariat to specific questions related to IETF = 113, please send email to: support@ietf.org A combined FAQ provides information relevant to the IETF 113 meeting and = includes COVID-related information: https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/113/faq=20 + Further information Going forward, regular updates and important information about the = upcoming meeting will be shared via the usual channels, including the = ietf-announce and 113all announcement lists. We expect to provide = updates at the end of each week leading up to=E2=80=94and daily updates = during=E2=80=94the meeting to the 113all@ietf.org mailing list. We appreciate the heightened interest in and questions about holding a = meeting in a new format in these challenging times. Please know that the = IESG, IETF LLC Board, IETF Secretariat, LLC staff, and NOC team are = committed to organizing a meeting that is as safe and productive as = possible. There are obviously many unique issues to deal with in a = rapidly changing environment so your understanding as the health = situation continues to change is appreciated. To reiterate: We expect to provide regular updates as we head towards = the meeting. At any time, questions about IETF 113 are welcome at = support@ietf.org. 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([2406:e003:1071:1701:80b2:5c79:2266:e431]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d1sm6936679pfj.179.2022.01.27.16.30.28 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:30:30 -0800 (PST) To: 113attendees@ietf.org, manycouches@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, admin-discuss@ietf.org References: <321C40AC-5B24-49F5-B2C1-1AD8AF20F2DC@staff.ietf.org> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <93750011-435f-bd78-f61d-4941386ae9a4@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 13:30:25 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <321C40AC-5B24-49F5-B2C1-1AD8AF20F2DC@staff.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] IETF 113 Updates on 2022-01-19 X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 00:30:42 -0000 As far as I can tell, it's impossible to tell from any of the posted info= rmation what time the meetings will start and end each day. That's vital = information for anyone considering remote participation. Regards Brian Carpenter On 20-Jan-22 05:56, Greg Wood wrote: > Hello, >=20 > A few updates as we work to organize and come together for our first-ev= er hybrid IETF meeting on 19-25 March: >=20 > + Registration > Registration is now expected to be open next week (after 24 January). T= here have been unforeseen delays with the VAT process which must be compl= eted before accepting registrations. This is now expected to be completed=20 in the next few days. Further details about how the registration process = will work will be shared shortly ahead of its opening. >=20 > + Participant discussions > The 113attendees@ietf.org email list is set up for discussions related = to the upcoming meeting. The list is now open for subscription by anyone = (including those who are not yet sure about whether they will register fo= r in person or remote participation) at: >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/113attendees >=20 > Replies to this message are set to be sent to that list. >=20 > The IETF 113 meeting wiki is also now live at: >=20 > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/ietf113 >=20 > Both the mailing list and wiki may be used by anyone contemplating IETF=20 113 participation, for example to share information about things not arra= nged by the LLC or Secretariat such as local amenities and travel insuran= ce. >=20 > + Questions and FAQs > For answers from the Secretariat to specific questions related to IETF = 113, please send email to: support@ietf.org >=20 > A combined FAQ provides information relevant to the IETF 113 meeting an= d includes COVID-related information: >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/113/faq >=20 > + Further information > Going forward, regular updates and important information about the upco= ming meeting will be shared via the usual channels, including the ietf-an= nounce and 113all announcement lists. We expect to provide updates at the=20 end of each week leading up to=E2=80=94and daily updates during=E2=80=94t= he meeting to the 113all@ietf.org mailing list. >=20 > We appreciate the heightened interest in and questions about holding a = meeting in a new format in these challenging times. Please know that the = IESG, IETF LLC Board, IETF Secretariat, LLC staff, and NOC team are commi= tted to organizing a meeting that is as safe and productive as possible. = There are obviously many unique issues to deal with in a rapidly changing=20 environment so your understanding as the health situation continues to ch= ange is appreciated. >=20 > To reiterate: We expect to provide regular updates as we head towards t= he meeting. At any time, questions about IETF 113 are welcome at support@= ietf.org. >=20 >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Greg Wood > Director of Communications and Operations > IETF Administration LLC >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Jan 31 11:36:09 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: admin-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07043A14A7; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:35:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=eggert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6uftmHibOed; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.eggert.org (mail.eggert.org [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:211:32ff:fe22:186f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C098F3A14A5; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:49a9:3c31:e49e:a32a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0385B1D2DB3; Mon, 31 Jan 2022 21:35:31 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eggert.org; s=dkim; t=1643657732; bh=8bko6J98mXNOYMQhfCh629M4o3E7Q80vvuVR+a33ab8=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=RjDgsd4v5ZPcAi3sRu4l7DaBy/ctecZCpex+YllDT+w5UDnzW/D03CZv1601fPSG4 0JwkOrczv57iDSjFDRc/yEfUh3OR+eVfnPgHkihrzzKzTKJN0wyP+ENZiQC0ylBbq8 pIZyd83BLZkKosELWRNzLNQR5w5ono7cM/JFh3xs= Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AFEF0639-2B9D-442D-9F5D-8FE00660D1C4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <93750011-435f-bd78-f61d-4941386ae9a4@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 21:35:30 +0200 Cc: 113attendees@ietf.org, manycouches@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, admin-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: References: <321C40AC-5B24-49F5-B2C1-1AD8AF20F2DC@staff.ietf.org> <93750011-435f-bd78-f61d-4941386ae9a4@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-MailScanner-ID: 0385B1D2DB3.A3A60 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: [admin-discuss] Meeting schedule (was: Re: IETF 113 Updates on 2022-01-19) X-BeenThere: admin-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:35:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AFEF0639-2B9D-442D-9F5D-8FE00660D1C4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2022-1-28, at 2:30, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: > As far as I can tell, it's impossible to tell from any of the posted = information what time the meetings will start and end each day. That's = vital information for anyone considering remote participation. I apologize that we haven't published details yet. The plan is to roughly stick with the schedule of a fully online = meeting, i.e., start at around mid-day local time and run for around six = hours. I'm waving my hands a bit here, because we are still discussing with the = venue about some required procedures, such as for meal breaks and room = disinfection, among others. Depending on the details, those may = necessitate some longer breaks than we had during fully online meetings. = So we may need to start somewhat earlier than we did for the fully = online meetings, and/or we may need to run for a bit longer, in order to = end up with sufficient session time. We're hoping to have all the information from the venue early next week. 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