From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 16:49:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03941 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9WWq-00054x-Ee for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:48:47 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32Lmi6E019523 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:48:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9VMo-0006JN-7N for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:34:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27489 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9VMm-0002br-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:34:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9VLv-0002Sj-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:33:25 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9VL1-0002Jw-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:32:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9S8D-0006ql-7X; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:07:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8eQw-0000oO-JE for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:03:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA16734 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:02:59 -0500 (EST) From: Menachem.Dodge@infineon.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8eQs-0002GM-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:02:58 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8ePu-0002DL-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:02:00 -0500 Received: from smtp2.infineon.com ([194.175.117.77]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8ePF-000285-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:01:17 -0500 Received: from mucse211.eu.infineon.com (mucse011.ifx-mail1.com [172.29.27.228]) by smtp2.infineon.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2VBx6EX019200 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:59:07 +0200 (MEST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C41717.BB386B20" Subject: RE: [adslmib] New LCS Drafts available X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:00:16 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: RE: [adslmib] New LCS Drafts available Thread-Index: AcQXFgpO4uqKH9pZTeaeMhxZPYmE3AAAEYJw To: Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C41717.BB386B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I thank Randy, Bert and Bob for their comments and inputs and welcome any further comments on these new drafts. Note that during the next two weeks I will have only limited access to my email so I apologise if there is a=20 delay in my responses. Regards, Menachem. Attached the new drafts: <>=20 <>=20 =09 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dodge Menachem (IFSV R&D) =20 > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:48 PM > To: adslmib@ietf.org > Subject: [adslmib] New LCS Drafts available >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have submitted the updated LCS drafts:=20 >=20 > 1. draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-mcm-03.txt > 2. draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-scm-03.txt >=20 >=20 > I have addressed all of the issues that have been raised on > these drafts.=20 >=20 > Some general changes made to both drafts include: >=20 > 1. Two spaces between sentences. > 2. Corrected References. > 3. Over-length Lines. > 4. Indentation. >=20 >=20 > MCM draft changes > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > First Page: IPR Disclosure Acknowledgement added. > Section 1: Key words and reference to RFC 2119 added. > Section 2: First use abbreviations expanded and MIB module > location paragraph was corrected. > Section 2.3: Optional use of the vdslMCMGroup was rephrased and > the table relationships were corrected. > Section 2.4: Corrected to "Note also" rather than "It should > also be noted". > Section 3: The optional use of the MIB was rephrased. > Section 4: vdslMIB was imported. > Section 4: Issue of wrongly applying this MIB to a non-MCM MIB > was addressed. In this case the line will not be > affected by values in the MIB (Randy's > suggestion was adopted). Having addressed this, the Default Profile > DEFVAL can be left untouched. >=20 > Section 4: Validation required for the TxBand and RxBand > tables is clearly stated. > Section 4: Inconsistency of the PSD units was corrected. > Section 5: "Acknowledgements" section is placed before "Security > Considerations". >=20 >=20 >=20 > SCM draft changes > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =09 > First Page: IPR Disclosure Acknowledgement added. > Section 1: Key words and reference to RFC 2119 added. > Section 2: First use abbreviations expanded and MIB module > location paragraph was corrected. > Section 2.3: Optional use of the vdslMCMGroup was rephrased and > the table relationships were corrected. > Section 2.4: Corrected to "Note also" rather than "It should > also be noted". > Section 3: The optional use of the MIB was rephrased. > Section 4: vdslMIB was imported. > Section 4: Issue of wrongly applying this MIB to a non-MCM MIB > was addressed.=20 > Section 4: vdslLineSCMConfProfileBandId changed to read-create. > Section 4: vdslLineSCMConfProfileBandUsage changed to > read-create. > Section 4: INTEGER replaced by unsigned32. > Section 4: vdslLineSCMPhysBandId changed to read-only. > Section 4: vdslLineSCMPhysBandUsage changed to read-only. > Section 5: "Acknowledgements" section is placed before "Security > Considerations". >=20 > Best Regards, > Menachem Dodge >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C41717.BB386B20 Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-mcm-03.txt" Content-Description: draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-mcm-03.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-mcm-03.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ICAgTmV0d29yayBXb3JraW5nIEdyb3VwICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgIE0uIERvZGdlDQpDYXRlZ29yeTogSW50ZXJuZXQgRHJhZnQgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICBJbmZpbmVvbiBUZWNobm9sb2dpZXMNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg 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This draft is a work item of the ADSL MIB Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Object Extensions for Very High Speed Digital Subscriber Lines (VDSL) Using Single Carrier Modulation (SCM) Line Coding Author(s) : M. Dodge, B. Ray Filename : draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-scm-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2004-4-6 This document defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) module for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes objects used for managing the Line Code Specific parameters of Very High Speed Digital Subscriber Line (VDSL) interfaces using Single Carrier Modulation (SCM) Line Coding. It is an optional extension to the VDSL-LINE CORE MIB RFC XXXX [RFCXXXX] which handles the line code independent objects. 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This draft is a work item of the ADSL MIB Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Object Extensions for Very High Speed Digital Subscriber Lines (VDSL) Using Multiple Carrier Modulation (MCM) Line Coding Author(s) : M. Dodge, B. Ray Filename : draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-mcm-03.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2004-4-6 This document defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) module for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes objects used for managing the Line Code Specific parameters of Very High Speed Digital Subscriber Line (VDSL) interfaces using Multiple Carrier Modulation (MCM) Line Coding. It is an optional extension to the VDSL-LINE-MIB, RFC 3728 [RFC3728], which handles line code independent objects. 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The version of the draft being annonced is -01. Please note that the draft references an updated version of the MIB at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/SHDSL-BIS-LINE-MIB.mib. This URL is incorrect in the IETF convention is MIB names are in lower case. The correct URL is http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/shdsl-bis-line-mib.mib. An update to the draft to correct the URL is forthcoming. All comments are appreciated. I would like to express thanks to Bob Ray for initiating this draft, encouraging me to get involved as an editor, and his mentorship. Also, thanks to Michael Sneed and Burt, Wijnen for their help in getting the draft and updated MIB posted in the IETF.. Regards, Clay Sikes -- Paradyne Mail -- _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 12 10:41:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22300 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD2cQ-0005t3-7c for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:41:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3CEf2bg022629 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:41:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD2cQ-0005su-3W for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:41:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22264 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD2cN-0001lP-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:40:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD2bB-0001eF-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:45 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD2aU-0001XK-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD2aT-0005fk-6r; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD2aH-0005eV-KB for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22193 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: LNipper@verilink.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD2aC-0001Wt-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD2Yk-0001Ol-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:37:14 -0400 Received: from mail.verilink.com ([192.94.46.36] helo=vrlkmail.verilink.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD2XO-00017X-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:35:51 -0400 To: IETF ADSL MIB List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:33:21 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VRLKMAIL/VRLK(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 04/12/2004 09:34:08 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Thank you Clay for taking on the editorship of G.SHDSL.BIS. My comments are below. Reference this paragraph: > 2.3.2. Changes to Line Rate Objects > > Four objects in the HDSL2/SHDSL Line MIB have rate limitations. > In each case, these objects have the syntax > > SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..4112000) > > Changes introduced in G.SHDSL.bis support an increased upper rate > of 5696 kbits/s, leading to the updated syntax > > SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5696000). Comments: I think the original RFC3276 was incorrect with respect to the maximum line rate for 2 pairs. A single G.SHDSL pair may have a line rate up to 2312000 bps. With two pairs, doubling that amount would be 4624000. I think RFC3276 incorrectly doubled the value of (2048000 + 8000) to get 4112000. Now, with 4 wire pairs, it seems correct to have 2312000 * 4, or 9248000 as the maximum line rate. Am I missing something ? Is there something I don't understand about the 5696000 number ? I also think the defaults should follow G.SHDSL instead of HDSL2. The default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMinLineRate would be 200000 (192000 + 8000). And the default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMaxLineRate would be 2312000. Also, I think a status parameter with the data rate or effective bandwidth of the span would be useful. The maximum data rate would be (2312000 - 8000) * 4, or 9216000. hdsl2ShdslStatusActualDataRate OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..9216000) UNITS "bps" MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "Contains the actual data rate for this HDSL2/SHDSL span. " ::= { hdsl2ShdslSpanStatusEntry xxx } Comments ? Lee Nipper Verilink Corporation _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 13 05:59:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01577 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDKh0-0001e1-Ii for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:58:58 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3D9wwXV006321 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:58:58 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDKh0-0001ds-Dy for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:58:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01568 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDKgw-0002CR-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:58:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDKfG-00024z-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:57:10 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDKe9-0001yW-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:56:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDKe9-0001LY-UP; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:56:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDKdk-0001KX-Vt for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:55:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01398 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDKdd-0001wX-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:55:29 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDKcR-0001rO-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:54:16 -0400 Received: from exprod7ob3.obsmtp.com ([12.158.38.213] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDKbE-0001mx-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:53:00 -0400 Received: from source ([135.90.22.16]) by exprod7ob3.obsmtp.com ([12.158.38.250]) with SMTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:52:52 PDT Received: from paradyne.com ([135.90.92.9]) by pigeon.is.paradyne.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HW3SRK00.O4T; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <407BB873.9090807@paradyne.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:52:51 -0400 From: "Clay Sikes" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LNipper@verilink.com CC: IETF ADSL MIB List Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, Thanks for your comments. I need to study the rates a little closer as I don't feel I currently have a good understanding of the values. I should be able to respond in a few days. Thanks, Clay Sikes LNipper@verilink.com wrote: > > > >Thank you Clay for taking on the editorship of G.SHDSL.BIS. >My comments are below. > >Reference this paragraph: > > > >>2.3.2. Changes to Line Rate Objects >> >> Four objects in the HDSL2/SHDSL Line MIB have rate limitations. >> In each case, these objects have the syntax >> >> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..4112000) >> >> Changes introduced in G.SHDSL.bis support an increased upper rate >> of 5696 kbits/s, leading to the updated syntax >> >> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5696000). >> >> > > >Comments: > >I think the original RFC3276 was incorrect with respect to the maximum line >rate for 2 pairs. >A single G.SHDSL pair may have a line rate up to 2312000 bps. With two >pairs, doubling that amount >would be 4624000. I think RFC3276 incorrectly doubled the value of >(2048000 + 8000) to get 4112000. > >Now, with 4 wire pairs, it seems correct to have 2312000 * 4, or 9248000 >as the maximum line rate. >Am I missing something ? Is there something I don't understand about the >5696000 number ? > >I also think the defaults should follow G.SHDSL instead of HDSL2. >The default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMinLineRate would be 200000 (192000 + >8000). >And the default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMaxLineRate would be 2312000. > >Also, I think a status parameter with the data rate or effective bandwidth >of the span would >be useful. The maximum data rate would be (2312000 - 8000) * 4, or >9216000. > >hdsl2ShdslStatusActualDataRate OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..9216000) > UNITS "bps" > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "Contains the actual data rate for this HDSL2/SHDSL span. " > > ::= { hdsl2ShdslSpanStatusEntry xxx } > > >Comments ? > >Lee Nipper >Verilink Corporation > > >_______________________________________________ >Adslmib mailing list >Adslmib@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib > > -- Paradyne Mail -- _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 13 19:31:05 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19551 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDXJn-0008BU-IK for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:27:51 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3DNRpIE031460 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:27:51 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDXGD-0007RU-09 for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:24:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19131 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDXGA-0006tk-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:24:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDXCN-0006XV-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:20:12 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDXAP-0006G4-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:18:09 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDX0b-0004by-6q; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:08:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDWsc-0002nY-QI for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:59:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17334 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDWsY-0004ac-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:59:42 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDWhq-0003gU-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:48:39 -0400 Received: from exprod7ob2.obsmtp.com ([12.158.38.212] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDWQi-0002WB-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:30:56 -0400 Received: from source ([135.90.22.16]) by exprod7ob2.obsmtp.com ([12.158.38.250]) with SMTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:30:40 PDT Received: from paradyne.com ([135.26.21.31]) by pigeon.is.paradyne.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HW4RUK00.U6M; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:30:20 -0400 Message-ID: <407C6A78.2010300@paradyne.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:32:24 -0400 From: "Clay Sikes" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Clay Sikes CC: LNipper@verilink.com, IETF ADSL MIB List Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB References: <407BB873.9090807@paradyne.com> In-Reply-To: <407BB873.9090807@paradyne.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lee, I looked over the the ITU-T G992.1 (12/2003), talked to a few folks, and possibly developed a better understanding. Hopefully, someone will correct me if I'm in error. The user (payload) data rates come from the formula ( n x 64) + ( i x 8 ) kbits/s for a two-wire pair. The maximum user (payload) for a single pare will occur as specified in Annex F when when operating in 32-TCPAM. In this mode, n = 89 and i = 0 giving a user data rate of 5696 kbits/s. Also, there is an addition framing overhead of 8 kbits/s so the "line rate" would be 5696 kbits/s + 8 kbits/s which give us 5704 kbits/s on a single pair. In multi-pair mode, each pair will have the 8 kbits/s framing overhead. Now up to 4 pairs or 8 wires are supported. So in the case where we have all 4 pairs running at the maximum rate, we get a line rate of 4 x (5696 kbits/s + 8 kbits/s) = 4 x 5705 kbits/s = 22 816 kbits/s. This would indicate, if my logic is correct, that the max line rate for the MIB objects needs to change from 5696000 to 22816000. Does this sound right? Also, it might be a good idea to modify the description for the line rates to clearly state that this rate is user (payload) and framing overhead. How does that sound. Annex G worries me because it seems provisional as data rates are specified from 2320 to **max rate** kbits/s. I would hope that we would have to have frequent changes for max rates. But then again, it would be good practice. :-) Given, the MIB objects refer to line rate which include both user (payload) and framing, it might be a good idea to add a read-only object to the hdsl2ShdslSpanStatusTable that subtracts off the framing overhead for each of the pairs so a user can clearly see their payload data rate. Would anyone object to adding an object for this? I'm not clear on exactly where you are getting the numbers for a new default line rate. I wonder if changing a default value would cause a problem any current implementations. Personally in most of the products I have worked on, we user our own default values and consider that which is defined in the MIB to only be a suggestion. ;-) Perhaps someone can chime in on the idea of a change of default. This is my understanding. Please correct me if I got this wrong. Regards, Clay Sikes Clay Sikes wrote: > Lee, > > Thanks for your comments. > > I need to study the rates a little closer as I don't feel I currently > have a good understanding of the values. I should be able to respond > in a few days. > > Thanks, > Clay Sikes > > LNipper@verilink.com wrote: > >> >> >> >> Thank you Clay for taking on the editorship of G.SHDSL.BIS. >> My comments are below. >> >> Reference this paragraph: >> >> >> >>> 2.3.2. Changes to Line Rate Objects >>> >>> Four objects in the HDSL2/SHDSL Line MIB have rate limitations. >>> In each case, these objects have the syntax >>> >>> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..4112000) >>> >>> Changes introduced in G.SHDSL.bis support an increased upper rate >>> of 5696 kbits/s, leading to the updated syntax >>> >>> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5696000). >>> >> >> >> >> Comments: >> >> I think the original RFC3276 was incorrect with respect to the >> maximum line >> rate for 2 pairs. >> A single G.SHDSL pair may have a line rate up to 2312000 bps. With two >> pairs, doubling that amount >> would be 4624000. I think RFC3276 incorrectly doubled the value of >> (2048000 + 8000) to get 4112000. >> >> Now, with 4 wire pairs, it seems correct to have 2312000 * 4, or >> 9248000 >> as the maximum line rate. >> Am I missing something ? Is there something I don't understand about >> the >> 5696000 number ? >> >> I also think the defaults should follow G.SHDSL instead of HDSL2. >> The default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMinLineRate would be 200000 (192000 + >> 8000). >> And the default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMaxLineRate would be 2312000. >> >> Also, I think a status parameter with the data rate or effective >> bandwidth >> of the span would >> be useful. The maximum data rate would be (2312000 - 8000) * 4, or >> 9216000. >> >> hdsl2ShdslStatusActualDataRate OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..9216000) >> UNITS "bps" >> MAX-ACCESS read-only >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "Contains the actual data rate for this HDSL2/SHDSL span. " >> >> ::= { hdsl2ShdslSpanStatusEntry xxx } >> >> >> Comments ? >> >> Lee Nipper >> Verilink Corporation >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Adslmib mailing list >> Adslmib@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib >> >> > > -- Paradyne Mail -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Adslmib mailing list > Adslmib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib -- Paradyne Mail -- _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 10:49:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28795 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlaT-000308-DI for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:42:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EEg1j5011536 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:42:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlXE-0002H3-0u for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:38:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28423 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlXB-00066t-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:38:37 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlWI-00060d-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:37:43 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlVt-0005tu-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:37:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlKz-00089p-T6; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:26:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlCx-0005IO-56 for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:17:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27494 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlCu-0003e9-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:17:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlC6-0003WR-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:16:51 -0400 Received: from fly.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.1] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlBE-0003O5-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:15:56 -0400 Received: from pesa.com ([216.180.38.253]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3EEFqR41240122 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:15:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([192.168.0.179]) by pesa.com (pesa.com [127.0.0.1]) (MDaemon.PRO.v7.0.1.R) with ESMTP id md50000021466.msg for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:15:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB From: Bob Ray Reply-To: rray@pesa.com To: Clay Sikes Cc: LNipper@verilink.com, IETF ADSL MIB List In-Reply-To: <407BB873.9090807@paradyne.com> References: <407BB873.9090807@paradyne.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1081952143.30882.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:15:44 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Processed: pesa.com, Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:15:47 -0500 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.179 X-Return-Path: rray@pesa.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: adslmib@ietf.org X-MDAV-Processed: pesa.com, Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:15:52 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe we need to reevaluate the option of refreshing RFC3276 instead of having a g.shdsl.bis draft... One thing we might try to do is to get rid of the range on the line speed objects, and perhaps open up the wire pair... Thoughts? -- Bob Ray _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 11:12:42 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00398 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDm27-000066-Ho for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:10:36 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EFAZ8I000370 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:10:35 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlvi-0006zd-UA for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:03:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29772 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlvg-0000gK-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:03:56 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDluk-0000d7-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:02:59 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDltq-0000b2-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:02:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDll8-0004nq-O7; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:53:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlfu-0003ri-Gt for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:47:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28744 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlfr-0007C1-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:47:36 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlf5-00075l-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:46:48 -0400 Received: from hostr490.alcatel.com ([143.209.4.144] helo=aurmsd.aur.alcatel.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlek-0006xx-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:46:26 -0400 Received: from alcatel.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aurmsd.aur.alcatel.com (8.12.8+Sun/8.11.3) with ESMTP id i3EEjpNf027983; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <407D4E9F.360B23F0@alcatel.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:45:51 -0400 From: Rajesh Abbi Organization: Alcatel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rray@pesa.com CC: Clay Sikes , LNipper@verilink.com, IETF ADSL MIB List Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB References: <407BB873.9090807@paradyne.com> <1081952143.30882.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the only issue to address is the rate limitation, then I support Bob's suggestion to get rid of the rate ranges and leave it flexible for future rate enhancements. -Rajesh Bob Ray wrote: > Maybe we need to reevaluate the option of refreshing > RFC3276 instead of having a g.shdsl.bis draft... > > One thing we might try to do is to get rid of the range > on the line speed objects, and perhaps open up the wire > pair... > > Thoughts? > > -- > Bob Ray > > _______________________________________________ > Adslmib mailing list > Adslmib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 11:27:24 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01414 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDmEU-0002jK-A2 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:23:22 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EFNM5r010487 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:23:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDm4T-0000p6-Ri for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:13:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00458 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDm4T-0001Ax-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:13:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDm3Z-00017F-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:12:06 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDm2h-00013i-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:11:11 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlvm-00074U-KS; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:04:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlmR-0004v4-EE for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:54:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA29120 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: LNipper@verilink.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlmO-0000Bp-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:54:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDllT-00007g-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:53:24 -0400 Received: from mail.verilink.com ([192.94.46.36] helo=vrlkmail.verilink.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlkt-0007lf-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:52:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB To: "Clay Sikes" Cc: IETF ADSL MIB List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:50:31 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VRLKMAIL/VRLK(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 04/14/2004 09:51:01 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Clay, Thanks for looking up the facts about the .bis line rate. I had thought that the pairs were limited to the older 2320 kbit/s, so I was incorrect. Based on n=89 with i=0, and 8 kb overhead, you have the correct value for line rate maximum now. The 22816000 number looks right for max payload + overhead for 4 pairs. A clarification in the description about payload + framing overhead sounds good. Also, the description should indicate that the min/max rate values are an aggregate in multi-pair mode. I am fine with a new status object for payload rate only. Particularly with multiple pairs, I think the new object will be useful to abstract away the the pair issue when one is interested in payload rate. After re-thinking the default rate suggestion, I don't think it really matters. You are correct that we use our own defaults, and the value is just a suggestion, so I think a default change is unnecessary. Thanks again, Lee |---------+---------------------------> | | "Clay Sikes" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | adslmib-admin@ie| | | tf.org | | | | | | | | | 04/13/04 05:32 | | | PM | | | | |---------+---------------------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Clay Sikes | | cc: LNipper@verilink.com, IETF ADSL MIB List | | Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hi Lee, I looked over the the ITU-T G992.1 (12/2003), talked to a few folks, and possibly developed a better understanding. Hopefully, someone will correct me if I'm in error. The user (payload) data rates come from the formula ( n x 64) + ( i x 8 ) kbits/s for a two-wire pair. The maximum user (payload) for a single pare will occur as specified in Annex F when when operating in 32-TCPAM. In this mode, n = 89 and i = 0 giving a user data rate of 5696 kbits/s. Also, there is an addition framing overhead of 8 kbits/s so the "line rate" would be 5696 kbits/s + 8 kbits/s which give us 5704 kbits/s on a single pair. In multi-pair mode, each pair will have the 8 kbits/s framing overhead. Now up to 4 pairs or 8 wires are supported. So in the case where we have all 4 pairs running at the maximum rate, we get a line rate of 4 x (5696 kbits/s + 8 kbits/s) = 4 x 5705 kbits/s = 22 816 kbits/s. This would indicate, if my logic is correct, that the max line rate for the MIB objects needs to change from 5696000 to 22816000. Does this sound right? Also, it might be a good idea to modify the description for the line rates to clearly state that this rate is user (payload) and framing overhead. How does that sound. Annex G worries me because it seems provisional as data rates are specified from 2320 to **max rate** kbits/s. I would hope that we would have to have frequent changes for max rates. But then again, it would be good practice. :-) Given, the MIB objects refer to line rate which include both user (payload) and framing, it might be a good idea to add a read-only object to the hdsl2ShdslSpanStatusTable that subtracts off the framing overhead for each of the pairs so a user can clearly see their payload data rate. Would anyone object to adding an object for this? I'm not clear on exactly where you are getting the numbers for a new default line rate. I wonder if changing a default value would cause a problem any current implementations. Personally in most of the products I have worked on, we user our own default values and consider that which is defined in the MIB to only be a suggestion. ;-) Perhaps someone can chime in on the idea of a change of default. This is my understanding. Please correct me if I got this wrong. Regards, Clay Sikes Clay Sikes wrote: > Lee, > > Thanks for your comments. > > I need to study the rates a little closer as I don't feel I currently > have a good understanding of the values. I should be able to respond > in a few days. > > Thanks, > Clay Sikes > > LNipper@verilink.com wrote: > >> >> >> >> Thank you Clay for taking on the editorship of G.SHDSL.BIS. >> My comments are below. >> >> Reference this paragraph: >> >> >> >>> 2.3.2. Changes to Line Rate Objects >>> >>> Four objects in the HDSL2/SHDSL Line MIB have rate limitations. >>> In each case, these objects have the syntax >>> >>> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..4112000) >>> >>> Changes introduced in G.SHDSL.bis support an increased upper rate >>> of 5696 kbits/s, leading to the updated syntax >>> >>> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..5696000). >>> >> >> >> >> Comments: >> >> I think the original RFC3276 was incorrect with respect to the >> maximum line >> rate for 2 pairs. >> A single G.SHDSL pair may have a line rate up to 2312000 bps. With two >> pairs, doubling that amount >> would be 4624000. I think RFC3276 incorrectly doubled the value of >> (2048000 + 8000) to get 4112000. >> >> Now, with 4 wire pairs, it seems correct to have 2312000 * 4, or >> 9248000 >> as the maximum line rate. >> Am I missing something ? Is there something I don't understand about >> the >> 5696000 number ? >> >> I also think the defaults should follow G.SHDSL instead of HDSL2. >> The default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMinLineRate would be 200000 (192000 + >> 8000). >> And the default for hdsl2ShdslSpanConfMaxLineRate would be 2312000. >> >> Also, I think a status parameter with the data rate or effective >> bandwidth >> of the span would >> be useful. The maximum data rate would be (2312000 - 8000) * 4, or >> 9216000. >> >> hdsl2ShdslStatusActualDataRate OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX Unsigned32(0..9216000) >> UNITS "bps" >> MAX-ACCESS read-only >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "Contains the actual data rate for this HDSL2/SHDSL span. " >> >> ::= { hdsl2ShdslSpanStatusEntry xxx } >> >> >> Comments ? >> >> Lee Nipper >> Verilink Corporation >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Adslmib mailing list >> Adslmib@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib >> >> > > -- Paradyne Mail -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Adslmib mailing list > Adslmib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib -- Paradyne Mail -- _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 11:43:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02502 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDmW7-0006Np-EJ for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:41:37 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EFfZZF024533 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:41:35 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDmUY-0005va-SO for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:39:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02105 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDmUX-0002Wa-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:39:57 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDmTZ-0002MY-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:38:59 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDmS5-0002DD-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:37:25 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDm2Z-0000GK-EO; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:11:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDlqB-0005jR-Ao for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:58:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA29333 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: LNipper@verilink.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlq8-0000NH-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:58:12 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDlpE-0000KL-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:57:16 -0400 Received: from mail.verilink.com ([192.94.46.36] helo=vrlkmail.verilink.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDloo-0000HA-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:56:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB To: Rajesh Abbi Cc: abbira@aur.alcatel.com.cnri.reston.va.us, IETF ADSL MIB List , Clay Sikes , rray@pesa.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:54:32 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VRLKMAIL/VRLK(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 04/14/2004 09:55:03 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 All, I am also in favor of removing the rate limitation for flexibility. I do think an update of the rate description as noted earlier will be helpful. -Lee |---------+---------------------------> | | Rajesh Abbi | | | | | | Sent by: | | | abbira@aur.alcat| | | el.com | | | | | | | | | 04/14/04 09:45 | | | AM | | | | |---------+---------------------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: rray@pesa.com | | cc: Clay Sikes , LNipper@verilink.com, IETF ADSL MIB List | | Subject: Re: [Adslmib] coments on draft G.SHDSL.BIS MIB | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| If the only issue to address is the rate limitation, then I support Bob's suggestion to get rid of the rate ranges and leave it flexible for future rate enhancements. -Rajesh Bob Ray wrote: > Maybe we need to reevaluate the option of refreshing > RFC3276 instead of having a g.shdsl.bis draft... > > One thing we might try to do is to get rid of the range > on the line speed objects, and perhaps open up the wire > pair... > > Thoughts? > > -- > Bob Ray > > _______________________________________________ > Adslmib mailing list > Adslmib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 16 00:45:03 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA26868 for ; 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Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:00:35 -0400 Message-ID: <408065A7.7040103@paradyne.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:00:55 -0400 From: "Clay Sikes" Organization: Paradyne Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Ray , Rajesh Abbi , Lee Nipper , Matt Beanland CC: IETF ADSL MIB List , Clay Sikes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Adslmib] Summary for RFC 3276 respin Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, There has been some great discussion this week over the draft that was sent out. Thanks for all that participated! I looked back through the threads and want to summarize the issues along with potential direction moving forward. 1. Line Rates It seems like we all agree that the all line rates should be changed to an unbounded Unsigned32. Removing the restrictions on the upper limit will prevent us from making having to make any changes should the upper limits that exist today change in the future. This is really good in that Annex G in the G.991.2, 12/2003, still has a provisional rate. Also, it sounds like the description for line rates could be clarified that the rates include user data (payload) and framing if applicable. In addition, since all rates are either directly or indirectly associated with an ifIndex and not a wire pair, the descriptions could be clarified that the rates are a sum of all wire pairs. 2. Wire Pair The question here becomes, "Will we get an increase in the future?" We could do one of three things: (1) Add wirePair3 and wirePair4 as we did in the -00 draft, (2) Change the TC to be Integer32 or INTEGER with a lower bound of 1 and either without an upper bound or a large upper bound. (3) Put this an all the other TCs in a separate draft so that if there is a change in the future, only the RFC with the TCs would have to change. I'm not sure if number 3 is of any value. Number 2 is my favorite. In should not have to change in the future. Especially for something like Integer32(1..2147483647). The mapping would be: 1 for wirePair1, 2 for wirePair2, 3 for wire wirePair3, ..., n for wirePair n. The values are the same as the enumerations in the RFC. I don't seen any interoperability "over the wire" so it should be ok with RFC 2578, Section 10. 3. Other Enhancements Lee Nipper, Verilink Corp., suggested adding an object that would display the user data rate (payload). This sounds like great idea in that the end user would not have to consider do I have framing or not and if I do, is it 8 kbits/s I subtract. Let the device do the math for him. Matt Beanland, Extel Communications, suggested two new objects. (1) Some sort of training state indicator for a wire pair and (2) an indication that a wire pairs is swapped. The idea of a training state seem like it would be of great help. Today, it is hard to determine the operational state of a pair. We have current attenuation and SNR margin, but is that enough? These could be optional and specified as such in conformance statements for the cases where the chip sets and handle it. I 4. Extend, Replace, or all New Based on the above issues, what make the most sense for past and future implementations. Are the changes radial enough to produce a draft to eventually replace the RFC? Should we break out SHDSL as it's own MIB? Thoughts are appreciated. Thanks, Clay -- Paradyne Mail -- _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 16 23:58:35 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02530 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEgu9-0000Um-QB for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:54:10 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3H3s94U001904 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:54:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEgt7-0008IR-44 for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:53:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02349 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEgt3-0004S8-Uo for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:53:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEgsC-0004O3-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:52:10 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEgrH-0004Jh-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:51:11 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEgjO-0006G3-1Q; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:43:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEggw-0005e0-KR for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:40:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA01737 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEggu-0003Wq-2n for adslmib@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:40:28 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEgeb-0003NI-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:38:07 -0400 Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.126]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEgcZ-0003Cn-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:35:59 -0400 Received: from h-68-164-83-245.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.164.83.245] helo=oemcomputer) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BEgcY-0000Id-00; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:35:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c4242d$97988560$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "IETF ADSL MIB List" Cc: "Bert Wijnen" References: <408065A7.7040103@paradyne.com> Subject: Re: [Adslmib] Summary for RFC 3276 respin Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:39:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi - > From: "Clay Sikes" > To: "Bob Ray" ; "Rajesh Abbi" ; "Lee Nipper" ; "Matt Beanland" > Cc: "IETF ADSL MIB List" ; "Clay Sikes" > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:00 PM > Subject: [Adslmib] Summary for RFC 3276 respin ... > 1. Line Rates > > It seems like we all agree that the all line rates should be changed to > an unbounded Unsigned32. Removing the restrictions on the upper limit > will prevent us from making having to make any changes should the upper > limits that exist today change in the future. This is really good in > that Annex G in the G.991.2, 12/2003, still has a provisional rate. ... I agree that this seems like the right thing to do. However, as far as I can tell, the rules for revising MIB modules do not support this change, and would require us to create new objects that lacked the old, over-specified range constraints. I think we should check with the AD to see whether the need to maintain interoperability with the installed base is sufficient justification in this case to bend the rules. There needs to be some thought to verify that both old manager/new agent and new manager/old agent scenarios would work. (The lesson, of course, is that constraints given in a MIB should be those inherent in the architecture of the stuff being managed, not just the current technology.) Randy _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 19 04:46:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA26461 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFUKu-0006I4-CE for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:41:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3J8f4tw024180 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:41:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFUH6-0004dM-Vv for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:37:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA26092 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFUH3-0003sA-VW for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:37:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFUG3-0003ZX-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:36:04 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFUF8-0003JP-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:35:06 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFU5I-0000kq-W9; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:24:56 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFTXg-0002Zd-3v for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:50:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA23083 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFTXd-0000SM-Df for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:50:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFTWJ-0000Cv-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:48:48 -0400 Received: from auemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.223.163] helo=auemail2.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFTVu-0007nk-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:48:22 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by auemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i3J7lo121375 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 02:47:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:47:49 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B155041247CF@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Randy Presuhn , IETF ADSL MIB List Subject: RE: [Adslmib] Summary for RFC 3276 respin Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:47:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 > > 1. Line Rates > > > > It seems like we all agree that the all line rates should be changed to > > an unbounded Unsigned32. Removing the restrictions on the upper limit > > will prevent us from making having to make any changes should the upper > > limits that exist today change in the future. This is really good in > > that Annex G in the G.991.2, 12/2003, still has a provisional rate. > ... > > I agree that this seems like the right thing to do. > > However, as far as I can tell, the rules for revising MIB modules do > not support this change, and would require us to create new objects > that lacked the old, over-specified range constraints. I think we should > check with the AD to see whether the need to maintain interoperability > with the installed base is sufficient justification in this > case to bend the rules. > There needs to be some thought to verify that both old manager/new agent > and new manager/old agent scenarios would work. > So... if we do remove the constraints in the objects themselves, can we then not achieve the proper interoperability/backward compatibility via a change to the existing MODULE-COMPLIANCE (to specify the constraint) and then add a new MODULE-COMPLIANCE without the constraints. > (The lesson, of course, is that constraints given in a MIB should be > those inherent in the architecture of the stuff being managed, not > just the current technology.) > Yep... or define them in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE. Adding an extra MODULE-COMPLIANCE is always easy. bert > Randy > > _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 19 09:57:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA11374 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFZER-0001tQ-Ty for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:54:44 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3JDshNV007271 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:54:43 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFZ44-0008I5-AH for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:44:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA10757 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFZ42-0001yk-FI for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:43:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFZ32-0001jX-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:42:57 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFZ25-0001Ur-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:41:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFYwP-0006e6-CM; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:36:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFYuO-0006Ao-TZ for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:34:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA10341 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFYuN-0007UE-4d for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:33:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFYtM-0007Eg-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:32:56 -0400 Received: from bee.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.11] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFYsM-0006vn-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:31:54 -0400 Received: from pesa.com ([216.180.38.253]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3JDVqZq1535131 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:31:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([192.168.0.179]) by pesa.com (pesa.com [127.0.0.1]) (MDaemon.PRO.v7.0.1.R) with ESMTP id md50000023750.msg for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:31:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [Adslmib] Summary for RFC 3276 respin From: Bob Ray Reply-To: rray@pesa.com To: "Bert (Bert) Wijnen" Cc: Randy Presuhn , IETF ADSL MIB List In-Reply-To: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B155041247CF@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> References: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B155041247CF@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1082381509.2621.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:31:49 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Processed: pesa.com, Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:31:50 -0500 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.179 X-Return-Path: rray@pesa.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: adslmib@ietf.org X-MDAV-Processed: pesa.com, Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:31:52 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 02:47, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: > So... if we do remove the constraints in the objects themselves, can we > then not achieve the proper interoperability/backward compatibility via > a change to the existing MODULE-COMPLIANCE (to specify the constraint) > and then add a new MODULE-COMPLIANCE without the constraints. I think this is the best way to go. In hindsight, I should have done this the first time. So it goes. -- Bob Ray _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 28 09:31:01 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14999 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIoyT-0003ho-6j for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:19:41 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3SDJfkF014228 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:19:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIotw-0001ui-Bk for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:15:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13888 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIotu-0003Dr-PD for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:14:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIost-0003A7-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:13:56 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIosd-000375-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:13:39 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIob4-0006qi-9G; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:55:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIntD-0006q1-WA for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:10:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10159 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIntD-00060K-0g for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:10:11 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BInsB-0005ej-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:09:08 -0400 Received: from bay10-f17.bay10.hotmail.com ([64.4.37.17] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BInrB-0004z9-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:08:05 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:07:34 -0700 Received: from 24.225.94.7 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:07:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.225.94.7] X-Originating-Email: [sneedmike@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sneedmike@hotmail.com From: "Michael Sneed" To: adslmib@ietf.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:07:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2004 12:07:34.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[63B057B0:01C42D19] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id IAA10160 Subject: [Adslmib] SCM LCS MIB WG Last Call Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The adslmib working group seems to have reached consnsus on draft=20 draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-scm-03.txt . Therefore, I would like to=20 announce a WG Last call for this document. Please post any comments to = the=20 list prior to 5PM US Eastern time May 11, 2004. Mike Sneed Chair, adslmib _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page =96 FR= EE=20 download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 28 09:31:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15020 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIoyT-0003ht-7z for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:19:41 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3SDJf1n014240 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:19:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIotx-0001v0-6E for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:15:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13891 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIotv-0003Dw-Ld for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:14:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIosu-0003AF-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:13:57 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIosf-000378-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:13:41 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIob5-0006r9-Jw; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:55:31 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BInuN-0007Hg-St for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:11:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10265 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BInuM-0006Ni-QI for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:11:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIntX-00063e-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:10:32 -0400 Received: from bay10-f112.bay10.hotmail.com ([64.4.37.112] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BInsc-0005e8-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:09:34 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 05:09:03 -0700 Received: from 24.225.94.7 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:09:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.225.94.7] X-Originating-Email: [sneedmike@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sneedmike@hotmail.com From: "Michael Sneed" To: adslmib@ietf.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:09:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2004 12:09:03.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[9916D820:01C42D19] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id IAA10266 Subject: [Adslmib] MCM LCS MIB WG Last Call Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The adslmib working group seems to have reached consnsus on draft=20 draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl-ext-mcm-03.txt . Therefore, I would like to=20 announce a WG Last call for this document. Please post any comments to = the=20 list prior to 5PM US Eastern time May 11, 2004. Mike Sneed Chair, adslmib _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page =96 FR= EE=20 download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Adslmib mailing list Adslmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/adslmib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 30 17:49:55 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA06907 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJfnz-0002KA-Vn for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:44:24 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3ULiNC3008935 for adslmib-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:44:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJfhe-0000BK-2N for adslmib-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:37:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA05843 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BJfhb-0005R8-Jl for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:37:47 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BJfgh-0005HR-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:36:52 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BJffo-00057k-00 for adslmib-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:35:56 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BJfXD-00054I-4d; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:27:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BIqw4-0000lh-Ms for adslmib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:25:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21284 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BIqw2-0006l6-JN for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:25:18 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BIqv0-0006dp-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:24:15 -0400 Received: from ind-iport-1-sec.cisco.com ([64.104.129.9] helo=ind-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BIqu5-0006Ua-00 for adslmib@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:23:17 -0400 Received: from india-core-1.cisco.com (64.104.129.221) by ind-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Apr 2004 02:34:09 +0530 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from cisco.com (samrat.cisco.com [192.135.241.21]) by india-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3SFMI8s029392; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balajigvw2k01 (dhcp-10-77-7-229.cisco.com [10.77.7.229]) by cisco.com (8.11.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id i3SFMCI06059; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:52:12 +0530 (IST) Reply-To: From: "Venkata Balaji Grandhi \(balajigv\)" To: , , Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:52:40 +0530 Message-ID: <03ff01c42d34$a5b8d680$e5074d0a@apac.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0400_01C42D62.BF711280" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Subject: [Adslmib] Queries regarding RFC 3276. Sender: adslmib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: adslmib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: adslmib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: ADSLMIB List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0400_01C42D62.BF711280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I have the following queries regarding RFC3276, w.r.t. SHDSL. =20 1. When should the "configInitFailure(7)" and "protocolInitFailure(8)" = bits in "hdsl2ShdslEndpointCurrStatus" object be set? =20 =20 2. What is "normalLoopback(2)" and "specialLoopback(3)" ( w.r.t. "hdsl2ShdslMaintLoopbackConfig")? And, how do local loopback(analog or digital) and remote loopback = map on to them? =20 3. How should "hdsl2ShdslSpanConfProfile" and "hdsl2ShdslEndpointAlarmConfProfile" be applied to STU-R, from STU-C, since most of the elements of the profle tables cannot be configured = on STU-R using EOC messages. =20 Any help will be highly appreciated. =20 Thanks & Regards Balaji G V =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0400_01C42D62.BF711280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi,
 
I have = the following=20 queries regarding RFC3276, w.r.t. SHDSL.
 
1. = When should the=20 "configInitFailure(7)" and "protocolInitFailure(8)" bits in=20 "hdsl2ShdslEndpointCurrStatus" object be set?   =20
 
2. = What is=20 "normalLoopback(2)" and "specialLoopback(3)"  ( w.r.t.=20 "hdsl2ShdslMaintLoopbackConfig")?
   =20 And, how do local loopback(analog or digital) and remote loopback map on = to=20 them?
 
3. How = should=20  "hdsl2ShdslSpanConfProfile" and = "hdsl2ShdslEndpointAlarmConfProfile" be=20 applied to STU-R, from STU-C,
   =20 since most of the elements of the profle tables cannot be = configured on STU-R using EOC messages.
 
Any = help will be=20 highly appreciated.
 
Thanks = &=20 Regards
Balaji = G=20 V   
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