From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 03 09:52:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxOqh-0004EL-1O; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:52:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxOqf-0004EG-AG for ancp@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:52:25 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxOqd-0006Bz-UR for ancp@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:52:25 -0400 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Jul 2006 15:52:23 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k63DqNrq007532 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:52:23 +0200 (MEST) Received: from xmb-ams-33b.cisco.com ([144.254.231.86]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:52:22 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:52:13 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [L2CP] Draft ANCP agenda Thread-Index: AcaZ+HjuWsd3nO5pRbO3IUe5iQA/eQEri6lA X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high From: "Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2006 13:52:22.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8CA7FF0:01C69EA7] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Subject: [ANCP] RE: [L2CP] Draft ANCP agenda X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Message intended for all WG meeting presenters, Would you kindly please email Matthew and myself the slides that you intend to use at the meeting by 1700CET on Friday 7 July? We need to post the slides to the WG page so as to facilitate remote participation, and given that we're pretty much the first ones to go on Monday there will be little time to do this on the day itself. Thanks, Woj. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk [mailto:Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk]=20 Sent: 27 June 2006 16:46 To: l2CP@ietf.org Subject: [L2CP] Draft ANCP agenda All, Please find attached a draft agenda for the ANCP meeting in Montreal. This has been scheduled for 09:00-11;30 on Monday 10th July. Plese let me know if you have any comments on the agenda. best regards, Matthew Access Node Control Protocol. ----------------------------- 09:00 - 10:30, Monday 10th July. Chairs: Matthew Bocci (matthew.bocci@alcatel.co.uk) Wojceih Dec (wdec@cisco.com) ------------------------------------------------------- AGENDA ------ 1. Introduction / agenda tweaking / Blue Sheets (Chairs - 5 mins) 2. Working Group Charter (Chairs - 10 mins) - Changes to the charter since the BoF. - Revised milestones - Mailing list changes 3. ANCP Requirements (Stefaan de Cnodder - 15mins) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt Update on changes since the BoF 4. GSMP extensions for layer2 control (L2C) Topology Discovery and Line Configuration (Sanjay Wadhwa - 15 mins) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wadhwa-gsmp-l2control-configur ation-01.txt Update on changes since the BoF. 5. ANCP Graceful Restart Mechanism (Sanjay Wadhwa - 10 mins) 6. ANCP MIBs (Stefaan de Cnodder - 10 mins) 7. Discussion of outstanding working group items (Chairs - 30mins) - Access Node Port and Functional Partitioning and multiple controllers. - Light-weight transport protocol. - ANCP Protocol Security. - Multicast control. _______________________________________________ L2cp mailing list L2cp@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/l2cp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 04 02:54:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fxene-0002D6-OT; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 02:54:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxXF1-0001Ia-RB; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:50:07 -0400 Received: from willow.neustar.com ([209.173.53.84]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxXF1-0004Rj-GU; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:50:07 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by willow.neustar.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k63Mo19F029728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:50:01 GMT Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FxXEv-0001HC-Fw; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:50:01 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-announce@ietf.org From: IESG Secretary Message-Id: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:50:01 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25eb6223a37c19d53ede858176b14339 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 02:54:21 -0400 Cc: ancp@ietf.org Subject: [ANCP] WG Action: Access Node Control Protocol (ancp) X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org A new IETF working group has been formed in the Internet Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. +++ Access Node Control Protocol (ancp) ==================================== Current Status: Active Working Group Chair(s): Matthew Bocci Wojciech Dec Internet Area Director(s): Mark Townsley Jari Arkko Internet Area Advisor: Mark Townsley Technical Advisor(s): Dan Romascanu Mailing Lists: General Discussion: ancp@ietf.org To Subscribe: ancp-request@ietf.org In Body: subscribe your_email_address Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ancp/index.html Description: Purpose: The purpose of the ANCP WG is to standardize an IP based Access Node Control Protocol (ANCP) for use in service provider Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) access and aggregation networks. ANCP operates between an Access Node (AN) and Network Access Server (NAS). Necessary Terminology: Access Node (AN) - Network device, usually located at a service provider central office or street cabinet, that terminates acess loop connections from Subscribers. In DSL, this is often referred to as a Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer (DSLAM) Network Access Server (NAS) - Network device which aggregates multiplexedSubscriber traffic from a number of Access Nodes. The NAS plays a central role in per-subsciber policy enforcement and QoS. Often referred to as an Broadband Network Gateway (BNG) or Broadband Remote Access Server (BRAS). A detailed definition of the NAS is given in RFC2881. Goals: ANCP is intended to address the requirement for a bidirectional, IP- based, control protocol that operates across multiple types (i.e., Ethernet, ATM) of DSL access and aggregation networks. The goal of an ANCP message exchange is to convey status and control information between one or more ANs and one or more NASs without going through intermediate element managers. The ANCP WG will address the following four use-cases: 1. Dynamic Access Loop Attributes Various queuing and scheduling mechanisms are used in access networks to avoid congestion while dealing with multiple flows and distinct QoS profiles. Communicating the access-loop status, attributes and current DSL synchronization rate between the AN and Subscriber up to the NAS is desirable, particularly when the NAS is providing QoS for individual flows and subscribers. ANCP will provide a mechanism to communicate dynamic access-loop attributes from the AN to the NAS. 2. Access Loop Configuration In additional to reporting Access Loop characteristics from the AN to the NAS, ANCP will allow a NAS to send loop-specific configuration information to an AN based on the results of subscriber authentication and authorization (e.g., after AAA responses have been received at the NAS). 3. Remote Connectivity Test Traditional DSL access and aggregation networks employ point-to-point ATM circuits between the AN and NAS for each subscriber, allowing troubleshooting of the local loop from the NAS via ATM OAM tools. With the increasing deployment of Ethernet in the access and aggregation network, operators require consistent methods to test and troubleshoot connectivity for mixed Ethernet and ATM access networks (including the local loop). ANCP will allow a remote procedure for a local loop connectivity test to be triggered from the NAS with results communicated back to the NAS. 4. Multicast When multicast replication for subscriber-bound traffic is performed at the AN, it offloads the network between the AN and NAS. However, a subscriber's policy and configuration for multicast traffic may only be known at the NAS. ANCP will provide a mechanism to communicate the necessary information exchange between the AN and NAS so as to allow the AN to perform subscriber bound multicast group replication in line with the subscriber's policy and configuration, and also allow the NAS to follow each subscriber's multicast group membership. Non-Goals: ANCP is an IP-based protocol that operates between the AN and NAS, over a DSL access and aggregation network. It will not address setup or configuration of circuits or connections in the access and aggregation network itself. The focus of this WG is on one very specific application space. While the design of the protocol must be general as to not preclude other uses in the future should a need arise, it is not a goal of this WG to address specific requirements outside of DSL access and aggregation networks. Security: The ANCP working group will provide a threat analysis and address the associated security aspects of the control protocol. Resiliency and Scalabilty: A graceful restart mechanism will be defined to enable the protocol to be resilient to network failures between the AN and NAS. Scalability at the NAS is of primary concern, as it may be aggregating traffic from a large number of ANs, which in turn may be serving a large number of Subscribers. ANCP traffic should not become a denial of service attack on the NAS control plane. Format of messages, pacing, transport over UDP or TCP, etc. will be considered with this in mind. For reasons of aggregation network scalability, some use cases require that aspects of NAS or AN functionality may be distributed in nodes in the aggregation network. In these cases, ANCP can run between these nodes. Deliverables: The working group will define a basic framework and requirements document intended for Informational publication, focusing on the four use-cases outlined in this charter. This document will include a security threat analysis and associated requirements. The WG will then investigate and define a solution for an IP based control protocol meeting these requirements. There are early interoperable implementations of an ANCP-like protocol which are based on an extended subset of the GSMPv3 protocol. This running code will be the the starting point for the working group solution, and will be abandoned only if the WG determines it is not adequate to meet requirements going forward. Coordination with other Working Groups or Organizations: The working group will coordinate with the ADSL MIB working group so the the management framewoirk and MIB modules are consistent for DSL access environments. The working group will re-use, as far as possible, standard MIB modules that have already been defined. The remote connectivity test use case may require coordination with ITU-T Ethernet OAM work, and with IEEE 802.1ag. Goals and Milestones: November 2006 Accept WG I-D for ANCP Framework and Requirements January 2007 Accept WG I-D for Access Node Control Protocol (ANCP) January 2007 Framework and Requirements last call March 2007 Accept WG I-D for ANCP MIB April 2007 Access Node Control Protocol (ANCP) Last Call May 2007 ANCP MIB Last Call July 2007 Re-charter or conclude Working Group _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 04 08:13:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fxjmu-0005gv-Te; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:13:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fxjmt-0005gq-7L for ancp@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:13:55 -0400 Received: from mailf.telecomitalia.it ([156.54.233.32]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fxjmp-0003Ga-FP for ancp@ietf.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:13:55 -0400 Received: from ptpxch008ba020.idc.cww.telecomitalia.it ([156.54.240.51]) by mailf.telecomitalia.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:13:45 +0200 Received: from PTPEVS108BA020.idc.cww.telecomitalia.it ([156.54.241.227]) by ptpxch008ba020.idc.cww.telecomitalia.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:13:44 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ANCP] Wadhwa draft 01- Access-Loop-Circuit-ID comment Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:13:44 +0200 Message-ID: <9E577E61D0108D4F8CD482029B613F5CA08CB5@PTPEVS108BA020.idc.cww.telecomitalia.it> Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ANCP] Wadhwa draft 01- Access-Loop-Circuit-ID comment thread-index: AcafY0jaMvXHenAxQcGWx2h1/SrS8g== From: "Maglione Roberta" To: , "Sanjay Wadhwa" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2006 12:13:44.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BB4DA00:01C69F63] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b058151374d77ee76edaac850f7449fb Cc: Fanelli Gaetano Saverio , Giacobbe Giampaolo X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2096856439==" Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2096856439== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69F63.4B465E21" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69F63.4B465E21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sanjay and all, I have a comment regarding Access-Loop-Circuit-ID TLV described in internet-draft: 'draft-wadhwa-gsmp-l2control-configuration-01' Section 5.4.1, talking about Access-Loop-Circuit-ID, says:=20 =20 "Type (Access-Loop-Circuit-ID =3D 0x01): This is a mandatory TLV and=20 contains an identifier of the subscriber's connection to the access=20 node (i.e. "local loop"). The "local loop" can be ATM based or=20 Ethernet based. The "Access Loop Circuit ID" has local significance=20 at the access node. The exact usage on the BRAS is beyond the scope=20 of this document. It is desirable that the format used for "local=20 loop" identification in GSMP messages is similar to what is used by=20 the access nodes in subscriber signaling messages when the access=20 nodes act as "signaling relay agents" as outlined in [7] and [8]." =20 >From my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, the word "desirable" is used to make this definition general enough to be applied to different types of scenarios, in fact also DSL forum document WT-147 in section 5.3.1 says: "This document reuses the port addressing scheme specified in WT-101. It should be noted however that the use of such a scheme does not imply the actual existence of a PPPoE or DHCP session, nor on the specific inter-working function present in the Access Node. In some cases, no PPPoE or DHCP session may be present, while the port addressing would still be desirable"=20 =20 However I think, IMHO, that if there is a scenario where either PPPoE Intermediate Agent or DHCP IA is present the syntax used to identify the Access-Loop-Circuit ID in GSMP messages must be the same used by PPPoE IA or DHCP IA in order to simplify for the BRAS the correlation between GSMP messages and actions to be performed when those messages are received on different sessions identified by the same PPPoE IA. For example if a BRAS receives a PORT-DOWN message sent by the DSLAM to notify the the BRAS that a line went down, it makes sense that BRAS tears down all the PPP sessions associated to that line. In this case having an Access-Loop-Circuit ID in the PORT DOWN message that exactly matches the PPPOE IA makes this operation simple because the BRAS can associate the Access-Loop-Circuit ID, obtained from the PORTDOWN message, with the same ID coming from PPPoE IA that identifies each single PPP session.=20 =20 Please let me know what you think. Thanks and best regards, =20 Roberta =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Roberta Maglione Telecom Italia - Broadband Network Services Innovation Via G. Reiss Romoli, 274 10148 Torino - Italy Phone: +39 011 228 5007 e-mail: roberta.maglione@telecomitalia.it ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons = above and may contain confidential information. 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Hi Sanjay and all,

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I have a =
comment regarding Access-Loop-Circuit-ID TLV described in internet-draft: =
'draft-wadhwa-gsmp-l2control-configuration-01'
Section 5.4.1, talking about =
Access-Loop-Circuit-ID, says: =

 
“Type (Access-Loop-Circuit-ID =3D 0x01): This is a mandatory =
TLV and 
 contains an identifier of the =
subscriber’s connection to the access =

 node (i.e.  “local =
loop”). The “local loop” can be ATM based or =

 Ethernet based. The “Access Loop =
Circuit ID” has local significance =

 at the access node. The exact usage on =
the BRAS is beyond the scope =

  of this =
document. It is desirable that the format used for “local =

loop” identification in GSMP messages =
is similar to what is used by 
the access nodes in subscriber signaling =
messages when the access 
nodes act as “signaling relay =
agents” as outlined in [7] and [8].”
 =

From my understanding, =
correct me if I’m wrong, the word “desirable” is used =
to make this definition general enough to be applied to different types =
of scenarios, in fact also DSL forum document WT-147 in section 5.3.1 =
says: “This document reuses the port addressing scheme specified =
in WT-101. It should be noted however that the use of such a scheme does =
not imply the actual existence of a PPPoE or DHCP session, nor on the =
specific inter-working function present in the Access Node. In some =
cases, no PPPoE or DHCP session may be present, while the port =
addressing would still be desirable” =

 
However I think, IMHO, that =
if there is a scenario where either PPPoE Intermediate Agent or DHCP IA =
is present the syntax used to identify the Access-Loop-Circuit ID in =
GSMP messages must be the same used by PPPoE IA or DHCP IA in order to =
simplify for the BRAS the correlation between GSMP messages and actions =
to be performed when those messages are received on different sessions =
identified by the same PPPoE =
IA.
For example if a BRAS =
receives a PORT-DOWN message sent by the DSLAM to notify the the BRAS =
that a line went down, it makes sense that  BRAS  tears down =
all the PPP sessions associated to that line. In this case having an =
 Access-Loop-Circuit ID in the =
PORT DOWN message that exactly matches the PPPOE IA makes this operation =
simple because the BRAS can associate the Access-Loop-Circuit ID, obtained =
from the PORTDOWN message, with the same ID coming from PPPoE IA that =
identifies each single PPP session. =

 

Please let me know what you = think.

Thanks and best = regards,

 

Roberta

 

 

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We would like = to solicit your feedback/comments. 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ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ancp@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Subject: [ANCP] Question about the ANCP high-level architecture X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Folks, My question is regarding the following picture of the high level ANCP architecture: +--------+ | Policy | | Server | +--------+ | | +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ The policy server is attached to the NAS only. A couple of observations about the AN: . it is shared between multiple HGWs that don't know/trust each other . it is the first candidate for enforcing link sharing policies (e.g. bandwidth allocation) between subscribers attached to those HGWs Such policy is applicable to HGWs connected to the same AN. There may be other policy information still live in the NAS policy server. The picture could look more like: +--------+ +--------+ | AN | | NAS | | Policy | | Policy | | Server | | Server | +--------+ +--------+ | | | | +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ comments? Kais _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 12 11:32:55 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0ghr-0006l3-DZ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:32:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0ghq-0006km-Hh for ancp@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:32:54 -0400 Received: from smail.alcatel.fr ([62.23.212.165]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0ghp-0002eP-0j for ancp@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:32:54 -0400 Received: from bemail06.netfr.alcatel.fr (bemail06.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.30]) by smail.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6CFWqQJ009677; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:32:52 +0200 Received: from [172.17.253.64] ([172.17.253.64]) by bemail06.netfr.alcatel.fr (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.13aHF163) with ESMTP id 2006071217324991:4627 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:32:49 +0200 Message-ID: <44B51621.4040800@alcatel.be> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:32:49 +0200 From: stefaan.de_cnodder@alcatel.be User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kais Belgaied Subject: Re: [ANCP] Question about the ANCP high-level architecture References: <44B51282.20109@Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: <44B51282.20109@Sun.COM> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on BEMAIL06/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 07/12/2006 17:32:50, Serialize by Router on BEMAIL06/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 07/12/2006 17:32:51, Serialize complete at 07/12/2006 17:32:51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.180.81 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Hi Kais, see below... Kais Belgaied wrote: > Folks, > > My question is regarding the following picture of the high level ANCP > architecture: > > > +--------+ > | Policy | > | Server | > +--------+ > | > | > +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ > | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | > +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | > | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | > +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | > | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | > +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ > > > The policy server is attached to the NAS only. > > A couple of observations about the AN: > . it is shared between multiple HGWs that don't know/trust each other > . it is the first candidate for enforcing link sharing policies (e.g. > bandwidth > allocation) between subscribers attached to those HGWs > do you mean that bandwidth can be shared between 2 subscribers? This can also be done by the NAS Policy server I would think. Note that the main focus of the WG is DSL, and sharing bandwidth in DSL is rather difficult. > Such policy is applicable to HGWs connected to the same AN. > There may be other policy information still live in the NAS policy server. > The picture could look more like: > > +--------+ +--------+ > | AN | | NAS | > | Policy | | Policy | > | Server | | Server | > +--------+ +--------+ > | | > | | > +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ > | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | > +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | > | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | > +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | > | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | > +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ > > comments? > As mentioned during the meeting, the interaction with the policy server has to be further detailed. I do not say that the above architecture is invalid but I do not see how it relates to the current framework of ANCP. The NAS policy server gives all subscriber information to the NAS, which enforces the policies are gives them to the AN via ANCP. If you have 2 policy servers, then you must also take care of all possible interactions, e.g., AN policy server says that the bandwidth is x Mbps while the NAS says y Mbps. Maybe an Element Management system to the AN can be added because that one has some interaction with ANCP. regards, Stefaan > > Kais > > > _______________________________________________ > ANCP mailing list > ANCP@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 12 14:16:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0jG6-0003G6-UE; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:16:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0jG5-0003Fz-Dt for ancp@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:16:25 -0400 Received: from nwkea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.42.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0jG3-0008RP-V6 for ancp@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:16:25 -0400 Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.68.130]) by nwkea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k6CIGKL1028841; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.9.61.35] (punchin-kais.SFBay.Sun.COM [192.9.61.35]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CIGJVr733357; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44B53C63.4090202@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:16:03 -0700 From: Kais Belgaied User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20060120 X-Accept-Language: ar-eg, en-us, en, ar, ar-dz, ar-bh, ar-iq, ar-jo, ar-kw, ar-lb, ar-ly, ar-ma, ar-om, ar-qa, ar-sa, ar-sy, ar-tn, ar-ae, ar-ye MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stefaan.de_cnodder@alcatel.be Subject: Re: [ANCP] Question about the ANCP high-level architecture References: <44B51282.20109@Sun.COM> <44B51621.4040800@alcatel.be> In-Reply-To: <44B51621.4040800@alcatel.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org stefaan.de_cnodder@alcatel.be wrote: > > Hi Kais, > > see below... > > Kais Belgaied wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> My question is regarding the following picture of the high level ANCP >> architecture: >> >> >> +--------+ >> | Policy | >> | Server | >> +--------+ >> | >> | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | >> | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | >> +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> >> >> The policy server is attached to the NAS only. >> >> A couple of observations about the AN: >> . it is shared between multiple HGWs that don't know/trust each other >> . it is the first candidate for enforcing link sharing policies (e.g. >> bandwidth >> allocation) between subscribers attached to those HGWs >> > > do you mean that bandwidth can be shared between 2 subscribers? This > can also be done by the NAS Policy server I would yes, that's what I mean. I understand the information about all subscribers is available at the Policy server. > think. Note that the main focus of the WG is DSL, and sharing > bandwidth in DSL is rather difficult. I'm possibly seeing more sharing in the aggregation node component than there actually is with DSL. I view it as a resource shared between multiple subscribers, therefore the AN being the arbitrator for accessing that resource would be a natural choice. If in reality (and in the foreseeable future) the model for the aggregation node is just a collection of independent pipes to to the NAS, then, yes the NAS is the first point shared access, and the policy enforcement belongs there. > >> Such policy is applicable to HGWs connected to the same AN. >> There may be other policy information still live in the NAS policy >> server. >> The picture could look more like: >> >> +--------+ +--------+ >> | AN | | NAS | >> | Policy | | Policy | >> | Server | | Server | >> +--------+ +--------+ >> | | >> | | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | >> | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | >> +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> >> comments? >> > > As mentioned during the meeting, the interaction with the policy > server has to be further detailed. I do not say that the above > architecture is invalid but I do not see how it relates to the current > framework of ANCP. The NAS policy server gives all subscriber > information to the NAS, which enforces the policies are gives them to > the AN via ANCP. If you have 2 policy servers, then you must also take > care of all possible interactions, e.g., AN policy server says that > the bandwidth is x Mbps while the NAS says y Mbps. I should've clarified: the AN policy database is a subset of the whole policy database residing in the NAS policy server. the AN server caches in the information relevant to subscribers connecting through it *only*. and yes, that'll add a requirement on the AN to keep the cached version in sync with the NAS', > > Maybe an Element Management system to the AN can be added because that > one has some interaction with ANCP. makes sense. Kais. > > regards, > Stefaan > _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 13 02:48:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0uzY-00010w-0c; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:48:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0uzX-00010M-4O for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:48:07 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0uzX-0008By-2E for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:48:07 -0400 Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de ([217.6.95.240]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G0uyW-00076R-KQ for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:47:06 -0400 Received: from s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de by tcmail31.dmz.telekom.de with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:46:56 +0200 Received: by S4DE8PSAANS.blf.telekom.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3YPBTLLM>; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:46:56 +0200 Message-Id: <6439282641581441A36F7F6F83ED2ED2B809C6@S4DE8PSAAFQ.mitte.t-com.de> From: "Haag, T" To: Kais.Belgaied@Sun.COM, stefaan.de_cnodder@alcatel.be Subject: AW: [ANCP] Question about the ANCP high-level architecture Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:47:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Stefaan, Kais, Following your discussion I think we should not split between NAS policy and AN policy. The main focus should be to have one common subscriber policy server which talks via ANCP to the clients which reside in the AN. There are good reasons from an operational perspective. Having street cabinet installation each AN has to be connected separately to an AN Policy server which has to aggregate and to report to the NAS policy server. I expect more delay which might cause that e.g. a port up message will arrive later than a PPP - session up will arrive at the NAS. Also other draw backs should be taken into account. Having in mind that a AN can be split in several partitions and each partition can talk to an individual NAS. In that case an AN policy server has to manage multiple connection to multiple NAS. Regards Thomas Betreff: Re: [ANCP] Question about the ANCP high-level architecture stefaan.de_cnodder@alcatel.be wrote: > > Hi Kais, > > see below... > > Kais Belgaied wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> My question is regarding the following picture of the high level ANCP >> architecture: >> >> >> +--------+ >> | Policy | >> | Server | >> +--------+ >> | >> | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | >> | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | >> +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> >> >> The policy server is attached to the NAS only. >> >> A couple of observations about the AN: >> . it is shared between multiple HGWs that don't know/trust each other >> . it is the first candidate for enforcing link sharing policies (e.g. >> bandwidth >> allocation) between subscribers attached to those HGWs >> > > do you mean that bandwidth can be shared between 2 subscribers? This > can also be done by the NAS Policy server I would yes, that's what I mean. I understand the information about all subscribers is available at the Policy server. > think. Note that the main focus of the WG is DSL, and sharing > bandwidth in DSL is rather difficult. I'm possibly seeing more sharing in the aggregation node component than there actually is with DSL. I view it as a resource shared between multiple subscribers, therefore the AN being the arbitrator for accessing that resource would be a natural choice. If in reality (and in the foreseeable future) the model for the aggregation node is just a collection of independent pipes to to the NAS, then, yes the NAS is the first point shared access, and the policy enforcement belongs there. > >> Such policy is applicable to HGWs connected to the same AN. >> There may be other policy information still live in the NAS policy >> server. >> The picture could look more like: >> >> +--------+ +--------+ >> | AN | | NAS | >> | Policy | | Policy | >> | Server | | Server | >> +--------+ +--------+ >> | | >> | | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ | Access | +---------+ | | | Regional | >> | Node |---| Aggreg. |---| NAS |---| Network | >> +-----+ +-----+ | | | Node | | | | | >> | CPE |---| HGW |---| | +---------+ | | | | >> +-----+ +-----+ +--------+ +-----+ +----------+ >> >> comments? >> > > As mentioned during the meeting, the interaction with the policy > server has to be further detailed. I do not say that the above > architecture is invalid but I do not see how it relates to the current > framework of ANCP. The NAS policy server gives all subscriber > information to the NAS, which enforces the policies are gives them to > the AN via ANCP. If you have 2 policy servers, then you must also take > care of all possible interactions, e.g., AN policy server says that > the bandwidth is x Mbps while the NAS says y Mbps. I should've clarified: the AN policy database is a subset of the whole policy database residing in the NAS policy server. the AN server caches in the information relevant to subscribers connecting through it *only*. and yes, that'll add a requirement on the AN to keep the cached version in sync with the NAS', > > Maybe an Element Management system to the AN can be added because that > one has some interaction with ANCP. makes sense. Kais. > > regards, > Stefaan > _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 24 09:58:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G50xC-0007rn-1F; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:58:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G50xA-0007rZ-5k for ancp@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:58:36 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G50x9-000245-ER for ancp@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:58:36 -0400 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2006 15:58:35 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k6ODwYUO009775; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:58:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from xmb-ams-33b.cisco.com ([144.254.231.86]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:58:34 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF29.40C85BB9" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:58:30 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt Thread-Index: AcavJ3Ld6bOimijIQ+y4/pfd80Gt+A== From: "Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2006 13:58:34.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[40EF43A0:01C6AF29] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d890c9ddd0b0a61e8c597ad30c1c2176 Cc: alex.zinin@alcatel.com, Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Subject: [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF29.40C85BB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Attached please find the ANCP WG meeting minutes from IETF 66. Please let us know of any corrections that may be due. A brief summary of the action items : 1. (Chair) Follow-up request on making draft-ooghe-ancp-framework a WG ID 2. (Chair) Create new WG mile-stone for delivery of security threat analysis draft 3. (Chair) Formulate a question to the WG addressing the ANCP Partitioning work item; functional, port partitioning and redundancy. I would also like to invite all volunteers who indicated an interest in taking on the security analysis task to come forward, if they have not already done so. 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17:32:45 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_mixed 004F2298C22571B5_=" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fec852dbea6d068499ed3250edf328e2 Cc: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk, alex.zinin@alcatel.com, ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org --=_mixed 004F2298C22571B5_= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004F229AC22571B5_=" --=_alternative 004F229AC22571B5_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Wojciech, Regarding the minutes: 1. I am the (?ECI) person. 2, Regarding the statement "DSL Forum relationship is mentioned in the charter". I don't see any mention of the DSL Forum in the charter, would someone be kind enough to point out in which paragraph it is mentioned. Best Regards, Menachem Dodge "Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" 24/07/2006 16:58 To cc alex.zinin@alcatel.com, Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Subject [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt Dear All, Attached please find the ANCP WG meeting minutes from IETF 66. Please let us know of any corrections that may be due. A brief summary of the action items : 1. (Chair) Follow-up request on making draft-ooghe-ancp-framework a WG ID 2. (Chair) Create new WG mile-stone for delivery of security threat analysis draft 3. (Chair) Formulate a question to the WG addressing the ANCP Partitioning work item; functional, port partitioning and redundancy. I would also like to invite all volunteers who indicated an interest in taking on the security analysis task to come forward, if they have not already done so. Regards, Woj and Matthew. <> _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --=_alternative 004F229AC22571B5_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi Wojciech,

        Regarding the minutes:

        1. I am the (?ECI) person.

        2, Regarding the statement  "DSL Forum relationship is mentioned in the charter". I don't see any mention of the
DSL Forum in the charter, would someone be kind enough to point out in which paragraph it is mentioned.

       
Best Regards,
Menachem Dodge


"Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" <wdec@cisco.com>

24/07/2006 16:58

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[ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt





 Dear All,

Attached please find the ANCP WG meeting minutes from IETF 66.
Please let us know of any corrections that may be due.

A brief summary of the action items :

1. (Chair) Follow-up request on making draft-ooghe-ancp-framework a WG
ID
2. (Chair) Create new WG mile-stone for delivery of security threat
analysis draft
3. (Chair) Formulate a question to the WG addressing the ANCP
Partitioning work item; functional, port partitioning and redundancy.

I would also like to invite all volunteers who indicated an interest in
taking on the security analysis task to come forward, if they have not
already done so.

Regards,
Woj and Matthew.
<<ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt>>
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--=_alternative 004F229AC22571B5_=-- --=_mixed 004F2298C22571B5_= Content-Type: text/plain; name="ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. Introduction / agenda tweaking / Blue Sheets (Chairs - 5 mins)=20 2. Working Group Charter (Chairs - 10 mins)=20 - Changes to the charter since the BoF. - Discussed in BOF - Revised milestones - Mailing list changes Chair: ANCP charter revised and finalized following input from alias and AD= s. Milestones adjusted to reflect delivery of requirements draft (end of 20= 06) before protocol spec. L2CP mailing list no longer active - all members moved to ANCP list. Questions Emmanuel Desmet: Why are we using NAS (IETF) vs BNG (DSL Forum) Chair: Because IETF has traditionally used the term NAS. Q2 (?ECI). What is the connection between DSL Forum work and ANCP WG. A2. IETF defines protocols, DSL Forum defines use cases. Requirements come = from DSL Forum. Normal liaison process and common group membership will be = used to keep synch.=20 Mark Townsley - DSL Forum relationship is mentioned in charter.=20 3. ANCP Requirements (Stefaan de Cnodder - 15mins) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt Update on changes since the BoF Ralph Droms: Clarification on connectivity tests to Home Gateway (Actually = NAS to AN). Protocol triggers the NG to perform a line test. Should this become a Working group document? General consensus was YES from= those who read the document and present in the room. 4. GSMP extensions for layer2 control (L2C) Topology Discovery and Line Con= figuration (Sanjay Wadhwa - 15 mins) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wadhwa-gsmp-l2control-configurati= on-01.txt Update on changes since the BoF; summary in posted slides 5. ANCP Graceful Restart Mechanism (Sanjay Wadhwa - 10 mins) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wadhwa-ancp-graceful-restart-00.t= xt New draft A. Doria: Change to base protocol spec? Sanjay Yes, this mechanism requires= modifications to base spec. Mark T.: Consider adding a new milestone. This is ok, as long as work fits = within the charter. Doria: Extensions are defined in companion specs. But core spec must be mod= ified to allow graceful restart. How is this to be handled?=20 Discussion on whether to collapse these to specs. Doria suggest that maybe = this be appropriate.=20 Mark T.: Call can be made once the requirement doc progresses. Sanjay: Can we make this doc a WG I-D? Charter only has one protocol requir= ement. Can we add this one. WG Chair: To early to ask for working group consensus on graceful restart d= oc. Keep as draft for working group to review and consider. Open discussion and Questions on original protocol spec draft (draft-wadhwa= -gsmp-l2control-configuration-01.txt and draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt)= : Question: Layer two encaps. Dsl line can have several l2 encaps, vlans w/di= ff services. Document says one vlan per line and one encaps. How are multip= le vlans to be handled? Answer(Sanjay): Multiple vlans are supported. Multiple encaps needs some co= nsiderations.=20 Comment from audience: =93encap is only important for shaping function on N= AS if encap is changing eg from oA to oE=94. Q (?FT): Security objectives in charter, does it concern security between N= AS and AN or protocol security? Answer (Chair): Requirements doc security section is not completed. Securit= y objective is for the ANCP protocol itself.=20 Mark would like a threat analysis done first then produce security requirem= ents. Q (G. Bailey): Name of use-case =93line config and topology discovery Wants= it renamed. A(Chair): There is a new name for it. Q (G. Bailey): Should refer back to the framework document? A (Sanjay): Some documents need cleanup because requirements came after som= e ID's. Q (ECI): What is reason for new remote line id?=20 A (Sanjay): Host identifier is a mandatory. Newly added optional parameter,= compatible with dhcp and pppoe. Could be used to convey info from nas to p= olicy server. Different than =93local loop identification=94 contains more = user specific information.=20 Comment from audience: Circuit id not always configurable on AN but remote = id usually is. Q (P. Arberg): Multiple VC's on line, how should the case be handled when a= VC is removed and OAM is attempted? A (Sanjay): OAM specification of VC/VLAN should trigger a specific error co= de when VC/VLAN does not exist(?) 6. ANCP MIBs (Stefaan de Cnodder - 10 mins) Based on GSMP MIB (3295).=20 ANCP MIB is an extension of GSMP MIB. Q (A. Doria): Suggests doing a whole new GSMP MIB because current one is in= adequate. First proposal of Access Node part will be done soon. A (Steffan) would like help working on MIBs, looking for volunteers especia= lly to progress NAS MIBs. Chair: MIB work has to remain open to changes in base protocol spec, especi= ally since security and transport aspects are still to be addressed. 7. Discussion of outstanding working group items (Chairs - 30mins) - Access Node Port and Functional Partitioning and multiple controllers. Description of current 1-1 role of controller and idea of controller redund= ancy and functional split concept.=20 Questions 1,2 and 3 on the chair's slides. Do we need to add redundancy to = controllers? Split functionality of controllers (ie: QOS and OAM and Multic= ast). Sanjay: Start with controller redundancy split rather than functional split= .=20 Chair: Functional split and multiple edge are not excluded by the current s= cope. Doria: Similar issue seen in Forces WG. What about sync mechanism between r= edundant controllers?=20 Sanjay: Statefull or Stateless Controller redundancy is the question. First= can handle the stateless case and then move to stateful. More show of hands for interest in controller split than functional split. = Majority of room with no opinion. Very little comments from audience.=20 To be brought to the WG mailing list for discussion. Mark T: lets take the questions to the list for further consideration. - Light-weight transport protocol.=20 Chair: Light weight transport is intended to make ANCP scale to large deplo= yments with 100s-1000s of nodes. Chair Question 1: what are the actual transport requirements?=20 Sanjay: ANCP requirements should be generic. Requirements spec shold not id= entify a transport protocol. Protocol spec can contain this level of detai= l. Requirements should indicate that this use case requires this transport = requirement. Chair: Agree. Chair Question2: does light weight transport become the long term goal over= TCP? Rough opinion from floor: Would prefer light weight protocol.=20 More discussion needed. Chair Question 3: Do we look for an existing light-weight transport? Prefer= ence is clearly for not inventing a new transport protocol. But before any = selection can be made requirements need to be drafted. Current protocol req= uirements doc does not sufficiently address transport requirements. Droms: What is the IESG/IAB guidance regarding transport protocol selection? Mark T: Not going to talk to transport ADs or do protocol selectionuntil we= have requirements. Once that's there consultation will be made. Chair: WG needs to contribute transport requirements into existing requirem= ents draft to answer question 1. - ANCP Protocol Security.=20 Chair: No progress on critical item for the protocol. Various aspects have = impact on security, eg choice of transport. Thread model is need.=20 Mark T: suggests not using TCP MD5. Chair is looking for volunteers to develop a threat model and derive requir= ements.=20 - Multicast control. Chair: Two main functions mentioned for multicast so far i) control of repl= ication or multicast data plane and ii) multicast group and statistics repo= rting. Use cases remain to be firmed up. Would like to involve multicast WG= s in this. Sesheela: Mboned has multicast session control and admission work going on = that can go along with this. --=_mixed 004F2298C22571B5_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --=_mixed 004F2298C22571B5_=-- From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 24 10:38:56 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G51aC-0008QE-2J; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:38:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G51aB-0008Q9-ET for ancp@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:38:55 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G51a9-0007yU-NW for ancp@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:38:55 -0400 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2006 16:38:53 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k6OEcqUO027616; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:38:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from xmb-ams-33b.cisco.com ([144.254.231.86]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:38:52 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:38:46 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt Thread-Index: AcavLOsnYJGGeLuaSnWDugF9QFoGiAAAYU+A From: "Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2006 14:38:52.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[E22CEFB0:01C6AF2E] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 17e5edc4dfd335965c1d21372171c01c Cc: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk, alex.zinin@alcatel.com, ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0817636480==" Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0817636480== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF2E.E2202631" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF2E.E2202631 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Menachem, we'll make the change. =20 You are correct, the charter does not mention explicitly the DSL Forum relationship; the minutes contain what was said at the meeting. Despite this, as I stated during the meeting, it's our goal to closely collaborate with the DSL Forum via the normal liaison process as well as joint individual membership between the WG and the DSL forum A&T group. =20 Regards, Woj. ________________________________ From: Menachem.Dodge@ecitele.com [mailto:Menachem.Dodge@ecitele.com]=20 Sent: 24 July 2006 16:24 To: Wojciech Dec (wdec) Cc: alex.zinin@alcatel.com; ancp@ietf.org; Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Subject: Re: [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt Hi Wojciech,=20 Regarding the minutes:=20 1. I am the (?ECI) person.=20 2, Regarding the statement "DSL Forum relationship is mentioned in the charter". I don't see any mention of the=20 DSL Forum in the charter, would someone be kind enough to point out in which paragraph it is mentioned.=20 =20 Best Regards,=20 Menachem Dodge "Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" =20 24/07/2006 16:58=20 To =20 cc alex.zinin@alcatel.com, Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk=20 Subject [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt =09 Dear All, Attached please find the ANCP WG meeting minutes from IETF 66. Please let us know of any corrections that may be due. A brief summary of the action items : 1. (Chair) Follow-up request on making draft-ooghe-ancp-framework a WG ID 2. (Chair) Create new WG mile-stone for delivery of security threat analysis draft 3. (Chair) Formulate a question to the WG addressing the ANCP Partitioning work item; functional, port partitioning and redundancy. I would also like to invite all volunteers who indicated an interest in taking on the security analysis task to come forward, if they have not already done so. Regards, Woj and Matthew. <>=20 _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF2E.E2202631 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Menachem, we'll make the change.
 
You are correct, the charter does not mention explicitly the = DSL Forum=20 relationship; the minutes contain what was said at the meeting. Despite = this, as=20 I stated during the meeting, it's our goal to closely collaborate with = the DSL=20 Forum via the normal liaison process as well as joint individual = membership=20 between the WG and the DSL forum A&T group.
 
Regards,
Woj.

From: Menachem.Dodge@ecitele.com=20 [mailto:Menachem.Dodge@ecitele.com]
Sent: 24 July 2006=20 16:24
To: Wojciech Dec (wdec)
Cc: = alex.zinin@alcatel.com;=20 ancp@ietf.org; Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk
Subject: Re: [ANCP] = ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt


Hi Wojciech, =

        Regarding the = minutes:=20

        1. = I am the=20 (?ECI) person.

  =    =20   2, Regarding the statement  "DSL Forum relationship is = mentioned in=20 the charter". I don't see any mention of the
DSL Forum in the charter, would someone be kind enough to point = out in=20 which paragraph it is mentioned.

       
Best=20 Regards,
Menachem=20 Dodge




"Wojciech Dec = \(wdec\)"=20 <wdec@cisco.com>

24/07/2006 16:58

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 Dear All,

Attached please find the ANCP WG = meeting=20 minutes from IETF 66.
Please let us know of any corrections that may = be=20 due.

A brief summary of the action items :

1. (Chair) = Follow-up=20 request on making draft-ooghe-ancp-framework a WG
ID
2. (Chair) = Create new=20 WG mile-stone for delivery of security threat
analysis draft
3. = (Chair)=20 Formulate a question to the WG addressing the ANCP
Partitioning work = item;=20 functional, port partitioning and redundancy.

I would also like = to invite=20 all volunteers who indicated an interest in
taking on the security = analysis=20 task to come forward, if they have not
already done=20 so.

Regards,
Woj and=20 Matthew.
<<ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt>>=20
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Hi Wojciech,


Thank you kindly.


Best Regards,
Menachem



"Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" <wdec@cisco.com>

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RE: [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt





Thanks Menachem, we'll make the change.
 
You are correct, the charter does not mention explicitly the DSL Forum relationship; the minutes contain what was said at the meeting. Despite this, as I stated during the meeting, it's our goal to closely collaborate with the DSL Forum via the normal liaison process as well as joint individual membership between the WG and the DSL forum A&T group.
 
Regards,
Woj.

From: Menachem.Dodge@ecitele.com [mailto:Menachem.Dodge@ecitele.com]
Sent: 24 July 2006 16:24
To: Wojciech Dec (wdec)
Cc: alex.zinin@alcatel.com; ancp@ietf.org; Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk
Subject: Re: [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt

Hi Wojciech,

       Regarding the minutes:

       1. I am the (?ECI) person.

       2, Regarding the statement  "DSL Forum relationship is mentioned in the charter". I don't see any mention of the
DSL Forum in the charter, would someone be kind enough to point out in which paragraph it is mentioned.

       
Best Regards,
Menachem Dodge
"Wojciech Dec \(wdec\)" <wdec@cisco.com>

24/07/2006 16:58


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<ancp@ietf.org>
cc
alex.zinin@alcatel.com, Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk
Subject
[ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt







Dear All,

Attached please find the ANCP WG meeting minutes from IETF 66.
Please let us know of any corrections that may be due.

A brief summary of the action items :

1. (Chair) Follow-up request on making draft-ooghe-ancp-framework a WG
ID
2. (Chair) Create new WG mile-stone for delivery of security threat
analysis draft
3. (Chair) Formulate a question to the WG addressing the ANCP
Partitioning work item; functional, port partitioning and redundancy.

I would also like to invite all volunteers who indicated an interest in
taking on the security analysis task to come forward, if they have not
already done so.

Regards,
Woj and Matthew.
<<ANCP_IETF66_minutes.txt>>
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ANCP mailing list
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https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp
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Hi,

        Regarding the document: "draft-wadhwa-gsmp-l2control-configuration" and following the questions I raised at the meeting in Montreal,
 I would like to request an explanation of how to handle:

        1.  Multiple Vlans in a single encapsulation.
        2.  Multiple Vlans and Multiple encapsulations.



        1. Multiple Vlans in a single encapsulation.

                 a. Should an Access-Loop-Circuit-Id be defined for each Vlan which means that this is a many-to-one relationship?
                 b. Should there be more than one Access-Loop-Remote-Id's or is one sufficient? If more are needed, how are they associated with an
                     Access-Loop-Circuit-Id?
                 c. Should there be an Access-Aggregation-Circuit-Id-Binary and Access-Aggregation-Circuit-Id-ASCII for each
 Access-Loop-Circuit-Id defined?
                         d. I assume there are only one set of "DSL Line Attributes" defined which are common to the physical line.

               2. Multiple Vlans and Multiple encapsulations.
                a.  If the Vlan's are related to different "Access Loop Encapsulations" how is this association between Vlan and encapsulation shown?
       

Best Regards,
Menachem
 --=_alternative 0053A775C22571B5_=-- --===============1853055692== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --===============1853055692==-- From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 25 12:02:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5PMi-0001Er-T2; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:02:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5PMh-0001Em-6f for ancp@ietf.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:02:35 -0400 Received: from smail.alcatel.fr ([62.23.212.165]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5PMf-0000at-Oc for ancp@ietf.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:02:35 -0400 Received: from gbmail02.netfr.alcatel.fr (gbmail02.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.26]) by smail.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6PG2VGl011524 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:02:31 +0200 To: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:01:12 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GBMAIL02/GB/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 07/25/2006 17:02:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.180.81 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 25 12:08:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5PSH-0002OP-Lx; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:08:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5PSG-0002OK-DM for ancp@ietf.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:08:20 -0400 Received: from smail.alcatel.fr ([62.23.212.165]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5PSE-0001Jz-UC for ancp@ietf.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:08:20 -0400 Received: from bemail01.netfr.alcatel.fr (bemail01.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by smail.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6PG8I4g014662 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:08:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? To: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Emmanuel.Desmet@alcatel.be Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:08:16 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BEMAIL01/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 07/25/2006 18:08:17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.180.81 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Supportive to move this I-D to WG draft, @+ manu Matthew BOCCI/GB/ALCATEL To: ancp@ietf.org @ALCATEL cc: Subject: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? 25/07/2006 18:01 At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 27 06:39:20 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G63Gy-0006qs-9a; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:39:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G63Gw-0006qm-GX for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:39:18 -0400 Received: from ilsmtp01.ecitele.com ([147.234.1.11]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G63Gu-0005Xi-TW for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:39:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Subject: Re: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 Message-ID: From: Menachem.Dodge@ecitele.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:20:17 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ILSMTP01/ECI Telecom(Release 6.5.3FP1 | December 22, 2004) at 07/27/2006 13:47:40, Serialize complete at 07/27/2006 13:47:40 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0526527343==" Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0526527343== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0038CA13C22571B8_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0038CA13C22571B8_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Matthew, I support making this draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - a Working Group document. Regards, Menachem Dodge Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk 25/07/2006 19:01 To ancp@ietf.org cc Subject [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --=_alternative 0038CA13C22571B8_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hello Matthew,


I support making this draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - a Working Group document.


Regards,
Menachem Dodge




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At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working
group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as
a working group document.

This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please
indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support
making this a WG document.

Regards,

Matthew




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--=_alternative 0038CA13C22571B8_=-- --===============0526527343== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --===============0526527343==-- From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 27 07:34:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G648G-0001rm-T5; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:34:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G648F-0001rh-4x for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:34:23 -0400 Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de ([217.6.95.240]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G648D-0002DQ-OI for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:34:23 -0400 Received: from s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de by tcmail31.dmz.telekom.de with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:34:20 +0200 Received: by S4DE8PSAANS.blf.telekom.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:34:20 +0200 Message-Id: <6439282641581441A36F7F6F83ED2ED2C9E175@S4DE8PSAAFQ.mitte.t-com.de> From: "Haag, T" To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Subject: AW: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:35:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Hello Matthew,=20 I also support making this draft "draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt" a = Working Group document. Regards Thomas Haag -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk [mailto:Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juli 2006 18:01 An: ancp@ietf.org Betreff: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP = working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt = forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. = Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not = support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 27 07:46:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64Jr-0000Yn-3L; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:46:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64Jp-0000Yh-GY for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:46:21 -0400 Received: from ilsmtp01.ecitele.com ([147.234.1.11]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64Jo-00049c-4M for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:46:21 -0400 To: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 Message-ID: From: Moti.Morgenstern@ecitele.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:46:17 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ILSMTP01/ECI Telecom(Release 6.5.3FP1 | December 22, 2004) at 07/27/2006 14:54:43 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [ANCP] ANCP_IETF66_minutes X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Regarding item #6 (ANCP MIBs) in the minutes, I wish to suggest my help to Stefaan in developing the MIB. I'm currently the editor of ADSL2 MIB and VDSL2 in the ADSL MIB WG. Please advise in what way I can assist. Thanks, Moti Morgenstern Senior Systems Engineer ECI Telecom Ltd. _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 27 08:14:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64kw-0001Gt-RP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:14:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64kw-0001Go-2F for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:14:22 -0400 Received: from thoth.sbs.de ([192.35.17.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64kt-0000ST-JR for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:14:22 -0400 Received: from mail2.siemens.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thoth.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k6RCEDsl019038; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:14:13 +0200 Received: from mchp7wta.ww002.siemens.net (mchp7wta.ww002.siemens.net [139.25.131.193]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k6RCE6id020043; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:14:13 +0200 Received: from MCHP7RCA.ww002.siemens.net ([139.25.131.170]) by mchp7wta.ww002.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:12:18 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:12:17 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Thread-Index: AcaxcNfG9UmQO5WVSB+QQD/3Nj3iiAABD+uQ From: "Voigt, Norbert" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2006 12:12:18.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[E78CEB60:01C6B175] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Hi Matthew,=20 I'm also supportive to move this I-D to WG document. Regards, Norbert Voigt. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk [mailto:Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juli 2006 18:01 An: ancp@ietf.org Betreff: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP = working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward = as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. = Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 27 08:18:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64p9-0003rW-8k; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:18:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64p8-0003rQ-2J for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:18:42 -0400 Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de ([217.6.95.240]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64p6-0000sy-LO for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:18:42 -0400 Received: from s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de by tcmail31.dmz.telekom.de with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:18:35 +0200 Received: by S4DE8PSAANS.blf.telekom.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:18:35 +0200 Message-Id: <6439282641581441A36F7F6F83ED2ED2C456B0@S4DE8PSAAFQ.mitte.t-com.de> From: "Busser, M" To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Subject: AW: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:18:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org Hello Matthew,=20 I also support making this draft "draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt" a = Working Group document. Regards Michael Busser -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk [mailto:Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juli 2006 18:01 An: ancp@ietf.org Betreff: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP = working group meeting supported moving = draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. = Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not = support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 27 08:29:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64za-0001lB-TW; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:29:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64zZ-0001l5-TM for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:29:29 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64zZ-00029C-RE for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:29:29 -0400 Received: from ilsmtp01.ecitele.com ([147.234.1.11]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64zH-0001wm-9w for ancp@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:29:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Subject: Re: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.3 September 14, 2004 Message-ID: From: Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:29:10 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ILSMTP01/ECI Telecom(Release 6.5.3FP1 | December 22, 2004) at 07/27/2006 15:37:34, Serialize complete at 07/27/2006 15:37:34 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0353542280==" Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0353542280== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 004497ACC22571B8_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004497ACC22571B8_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Matthew, I support moving the draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - to a Working Group document Thanks, Michel. Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk 25/07/2006 19:01 To ancp@ietf.org cc Subject [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --=_alternative 004497ACC22571B8_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hello Matthew,
I support moving the draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - to a Working Group document
Thanks,
Michel.



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At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working
group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as
a working group document.

This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please
indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support
making this a WG document.

Regards,

Matthew




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--=_alternative 004497ACC22571B8_=-- --===============0353542280== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --===============0353542280==-- From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 29 00:02:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6g2D-0002aa-L5; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:02:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6g2B-0002aS-Qi for ancp@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:02:39 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6g2A-0002i8-AP for ancp@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:02:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D512D0343; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07141-08; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PARBETM2XP (login003.redback.com [155.53.12.55]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5212D0345; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter Arberg" To: Subject: RE: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:02:33 -0700 Organization: Redback Networks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcaxeFEDUe4/iW+sT420PhiYu4ugKgBS3ZVw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060729040237.5E5212D0345@prattle.redback.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3fbd9b434023f8abfcb1532abaec7a21 Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: parberg@redback.com List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1414687385==" Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1414687385== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C6B289.25A48340" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C6B289.25A48340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit same for me. peter _____ From: Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com [mailto:Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com] Sent: 27. juli 2006 05:29 To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Cc: ancp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Hello Matthew, I support moving the draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - to a Working Group document Thanks, Michel. Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk 25/07/2006 19:01 To ancp@ietf.org cc Subject [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C6B289.25A48340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
same for me.
peter

From: Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com=20 [mailto:Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com]
Sent: 27. juli 2006=20 05:29
To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk
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Subject: Re: [ANCP] = draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt=20 to WG ID?


Hello Matthew,
I = support=20 moving the draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - to a Working = Group=20 document
Thanks, =
Michel. =



Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk

25/07/2006 19:01

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[ANCP]=20 draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG=20 ID?

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At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at = the ANCP=20 working
group meeting supported moving = draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt=20 forward as
a working group document.

This e-mail begins a = call on=20 whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please
indicate to the = list, by=20 Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support
making this a WG=20 = document.

Regards,

Matthew




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------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C6B289.25A48340-- --===============1414687385== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp --===============1414687385==-- From ancp-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 29 03:51:50 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6jbw-0005fk-7D; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:51:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6jbv-0005ff-Ks for ancp@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:51:47 -0400 Received: from smail.alcatel.fr ([62.23.212.165]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6jbu-0001Ht-3K for ancp@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:51:47 -0400 Received: from bemail06.netfr.alcatel.fr (bemail06.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.30]) by smail.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6T7pjKG024672; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:51:45 +0200 Subject: RE: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:51:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: parberg@redback.com, Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk From: wim.henderickx@alcatel.be X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook v 11.00.8010, MSOC v 2.00.4007.00 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BEMAIL06/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.13aHF163 | June 23, 2005) at 07/29/2006 09:51:44, Serialize complete at 07/29/2006 09:51:44 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.180.81 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b7d60495f1a7f2e853e8cbae7e6dbfc Cc: ancp@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ancp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Access Node Control Protocol working group mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0392336272==" Errors-To: ancp-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0392336272== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D5_01C6B2F4.9907D6F0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01C6B2F4.9907D6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also agree to make it a WG document _____ From: Peter Arberg [mailto:parberg@redback.com] Sent: zaterdag 29 juli 2006 6:03 To: Matthew BOCCI Cc: ancp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? same for me. peter _____ From: Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com [mailto:Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com] Sent: 27. juli 2006 05:29 To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk Cc: ancp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? Hello Matthew, I support moving the draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - to a Working Group document Thanks, Michel. Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk 25/07/2006 19:01 To ancp@ietf.org cc Subject [ANCP] draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID? At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at the ANCP working group meeting supported moving draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt forward as a working group document. This e-mail begins a call on whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please indicate to the list, by Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support making this a WG document. Regards, Matthew _______________________________________________ ANCP mailing list ANCP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ancp ------=_NextPart_000_01D5_01C6B2F4.9907D6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also agree to make it a WG=20 document

From: Peter Arberg = [mailto:parberg@redback.com]=20
Sent: zaterdag 29 juli 2006 6:03
To: Matthew=20 BOCCI
Cc: ancp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [ANCP]=20 draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG ID?

same for me.
peter

From: Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com=20 [mailto:Michel.Platnic@ecitele.com]
Sent: 27. juli 2006=20 05:29
To: Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk
Cc:=20 ancp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [ANCP] = draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt=20 to WG ID?


Hello Matthew,
I = support=20 moving the draft - draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt - to a Working = Group=20 document
Thanks, =
Michel. =



Matthew.Bocci@alcatel.co.uk

25/07/2006 19:01

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ancp@ietf.org=20
cc
Subject
[ANCP]=20 draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt to WG=20 ID?

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<= FONT=20 size=3D2>At IETF 66 in Montreal, a significant number of people at = the ANCP=20 working
group meeting supported moving = draft-ooghe-ancp-framework-00.txt=20 forward as
a working group document.

This e-mail begins a = call on=20 whether to make this I-D a WG document. Please
indicate to the = list, by=20 Friday 11th August, if you do or do not support
making this a WG=20 = document.

Regards,

Matthew




_____________= __________________________________
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