From nobody Wed Dec 7 03:52:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B400129E44 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:52:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G_i9k6DqNOqr for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D5C4129DED for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DCC70339; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 11:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:52:08 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 19:52:02 +0800 From: Sheng Jiang To: "anima@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Abstract Summary for ANIMA WG in IETF97, Seoul Thread-Index: AdJQgFGY1mCesdaJQnala8BEm1uCIQ== Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:52:01 +0000 Message-ID: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC71DA7@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.185.119] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC71DA7NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A0B0205.5847F7EA.027E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 964d07b238f9363cee0070430bceac69 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Abstract Summary for ANIMA WG in IETF97, Seoul X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 11:52:27 -0000 --_000_5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC71DA7NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, ANIMA, While we are working on minutes, there is an abstract summary have been upd= ated. https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/IETF97summary Wednesday morning session, 90 minutes. 77 attendees in the room + 10 remote= participants in the room. * Signaling design team presented document status. It has passed the WG= LC just before the IETF97 meeting. Minors modification reported. Sheng is t= he assigned document shepherd. * Bootstrap design team presented document status, the bootstrap docume= nt itself is near mature, would be ready for WGLC soon after IETF97. It is = reported a new Voucher work (draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher) is needed as no= mative reference. ANIMA is considering to process this work quickly. * Autonomic control plane draft presented work status, including the ar= gument for GRASP/DULL for ACP: L2/LANs, etc. * Reference model document presented work status shortly, clarifying GR= ASP (M_FLOOD) is used by default for first step. Thursday afternoon, session 2, 120 minutes. About 28 attendees in the room = + 6 remote participants. * Reference model document presented work status, it is now clearly des= cribe the work flow for ANIMA node bootstrap, BRSHI pledge, and ACP * Autonomic network intent concept and format is presented. There are a= ctive discussions regarding to this topic. The WG showed great interestsc. = It is considering the WG should have an interim meeting for it. * Guidelines for Autonomic Service Agents was presented. It is an usefu= l work to guide the design or implementation for various autonomic service = agents. * Use Cases of Information Distribution over GRASP was presented. It is= useful complementary for GRASP. * Autonomic Slice Networking - Requirements and Reference Model. It is = the first time presentation, focusing on requirements and reference model. = It is abstract. From the presentation, it is not clear how this work should= be hold in ANIMA envirnment. The draft has more details. Regards, Sheng --_000_5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC71DA7NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, ANIMA,=

 

While we are working on minu= tes, there is an abstract summary have been updated.

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/IETF97summary

 

Wednesday morning session, 90 minut= es. 77 attendees in the room + 10 remote participants in the room.=

  • Signaling design team presented document status= . It has passed the WGLC just before the IETF97 meeting. Minors modificatio= n reported. Sheng is the assigned document shepherd.
    • =
  • Bootstrap design team presented document status= , the bootstrap document itself is near mature, would be ready for WGLC soo= n after IETF97. It is reported a new Voucher work (draft-kwatsen-netconf-vo= ucher) is needed as nomative reference. ANIMA is considering to process this work= quickly.
  • Autonomic control plane draft presented work st= atus, including the argument for GRASP/DULL for ACP: L2/LANs, etc.
  • Reference model document presented work status = shortly, clarifying GRASP (M_FLOOD) is used by default for first step.=

Thursday afternoon, session 2, 120 = minutes. About 28 attendees in the room + 6 remote participants.

  • Reference model document presented work status,= it is now clearly describe the work flow for ANIMA node bootstrap, BRSHI p= ledge, and ACP
  • Autonomic network intent concept and format is = presented. There are active discussions regarding to this topic. The WG sho= wed great interestsc. It is considering the WG should have an interim meeting for it.
  • Guidelines for Autonomic Service Agents was pre= sented. It is an useful work to guide the design or implementation for vari= ous autonomic service agents.
  • Use Cases of Information Distribution over GRAS= P was presented. It is useful complementary for GRASP.
  • Autonomic Slice Networking - Requirements and R= eference Model. It is the first time presentation, focusing on requirements= and reference model. It is abstract. From the presentation, it is not clear how this work should be hold in ANIMA envirnment. The draf= t has more details.

 

Regards,

 

Sheng

 

--_000_5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC71DA7NKGEML515MBXchi_-- From nobody Sat Dec 10 14:22:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788D71294C2 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fjKE74xzwwF2 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x230.google.com (mail-pf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9534E1294AB for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id c4so7686726pfb.1 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=To3M1MN6i1c6dptCUcJuH60VOTsr8PzwKl0U+Sr8QAc=; b=QsKz2tDUkepnffUh8TtwywG45iN5qLz1gA37SgyM68zgG9116I59AqbVAMdchjSu4Z Ab0KU8fsd3RXLV3U1zgViRhiskNCk4TCr6eh0QirzM000l5nFJyDbIvHQRmSHkvZkfBr 8lUfpb5fENbIfZthkWEvFOX06sWrARuL6E1XrNmIzXL8MJBBMQ1S0kqGfTlNiLNmSaaQ DJgDaYhv27mXSpnLZatC6M5C1FQgo/BMiAsKbta6xfBYJLf0NGxYfq0M3kiVUOBjEe55 AHjEy9anF1iP1LPO3kSu63xD86IgiNWzHLHiboHyYpKm1mpnl3RsrTCMYtpLHmNvvyGS Z79Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=To3M1MN6i1c6dptCUcJuH60VOTsr8PzwKl0U+Sr8QAc=; b=Fz9s9/CBQUFrKG4nGbU0afQBVse47jJL/PUJ/SJG8BrGGsZl/ucmcterE7OIOXi0cR t+MqxT7KtMthtsSL27vHG3EVMchOUCcEipmbXJqtMHfJOMO7+o9VoeAXARNwstwYmek0 a33TtMWZIQGiieR8v1bHSYD5x0+6+Bi3flVNgHjL2SMsUAG6g5E6U4KRxMc51bTeWYIX 0tNQWbbS3YMrjiJVABzAk0Fb6j53+7a/FczVDyPPgjzXRIfmH5Bg8sJtfpP9RR8NEtwZ rRVR/gkNQz8h0kD2qLX+ESXwj6D9GBBolFHxMr3ZdC4KkQ03A6AvuwP6nIcE/5Ul5SuB c6eg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03Lt30sBWt0z6tPFAjdYt8i6mw1hbRyAQynbE+otv2nCOUGMnKWiwniOqUSsNdJrQ== X-Received: by 10.98.159.136 with SMTP id v8mr89831801pfk.82.1481408546020; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.27] (174.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.228.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z62sm66547679pfz.19.2016.12.10.14.22.24 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:22:25 -0800 (PST) To: Anima WG From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <92e5df90-5eb3-9c5a-eebd-dfb5b55a3bb4@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:22:22 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] RPL parameters for ACP X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 22:22:28 -0000 Hi, While wearing my Gen-ART reviewer's hat this morning, I found myself reading the details of a particular use case for RPL*. So, it seems to me that the ACP draft currently has a gap. It isn't enough for interoperability to just say "use RPL". A few choices and parameters need to be specified. That looks like a hole in the ACP spec at the moment. Regards Brian * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-minimal-17#section-5 From nobody Mon Dec 12 12:06:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5521294D5 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:06:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vKedgMkDCB9M for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D69812947A for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDA3200A5; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 15:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516FB63770; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 15:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <92e5df90-5eb3-9c5a-eebd-dfb5b55a3bb4@gmail.com> References: <92e5df90-5eb3-9c5a-eebd-dfb5b55a3bb4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: Anima WG Subject: Re: [Anima] RPL parameters for ACP X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:06:56 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Brian E Carpenter wrote: > While wearing my Gen-ART reviewer's hat this morning, I found myself > reading > the details of a particular use case for RPL*. You read the AMI document, I'm guessing, which has been a long time in the making, and was based upon a template, specifically so that industry people would be more specific than "use RPL" (Well, no. AMI is in AUTH48, so it must have been another document) > So, it seems to me that the ACP draft currently has a gap. It isn't > enough > for interoperability to just say "use RPL". A few choices and > parameters need > to be specified. That looks like a hole in the ACP spec at the moment. Yes, I mentioned that in my review of ACP last week, and I promised text to add to it for this. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/anima/current/msg02322.html -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlhPA1sACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVeuAgAiWvm6dRqOdOVNbEeg2+Z3SDgsSvD2iYGHaVbH2rvF7Y2Lmvlcd2kf9CG dgNkQmZK49q/SQzMrQZqN1HhbdI4g5Qs3UNmlXk70wCaniLX1gOWs6f7YNzPA5Ct Zjo7oTi8TVyz4RTZEfj9tnXT++Xq3wOAkq0S+mqOzmEV8Weqr9uwVX7ZgWmc05u+ +KJQdHyxI2Rc3G0vBLL1JJefyXDxBW9jwqozikcuG/YLdyaZoMz39LXG38q5Nhp7 ilJZVU1qLCU8QlYAvyyTEPSR4dgneKjwnly49H70rs3arSicyBz7twdf5EqeP33V eqnLeY69LzA99fJalHbDDPuKh5Jzdg== =1act -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Dec 13 08:11:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6462B1204D9; 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Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:11:11 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:11:02 +0800 From: Sheng Jiang To: "anima@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: ANIMA minutes - IETF 97, Seoul Thread-Index: AdJVW390jnfnHCqjRNOX/JbMotucHQ== Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:11:01 +0000 Message-ID: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC76B89@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.202.10.247] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.58501DA1.04CA, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 0747c83f5efd8f6e61c39f3b8734dd49 Archived-At: Cc: "anima-chairs@ietf.org" , Toerless Eckert , "Liubing \(Leo\)" Subject: [Anima] ANIMA minutes - IETF 97, Seoul X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:11:22 -0000 Hi, all,=0A= =0A= The minutes for the ANIMA sessions at IETF97 in Seoul can be found at:=0A= =0A= https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/97/minutes/minutes-97-anima-00=0A= =0A= Many thanks to Bing Liu for taking minutes.=0A= =0A= Please send any corrections to the chairs.=0A= =0A= Best regards,=0A= =0A= Sheng + Toerless= From nobody Tue Dec 13 08:58:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD81296C5; 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Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:57:48 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:57:44 +0800 From: Sheng Jiang To: "anima@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for adoption on draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00 Thread-Index: AdJVYBLopzoNCcfEQAyKVuBnRpcXwA== Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:57:43 +0000 Message-ID: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC76BBA@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.202.10.247] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020202.5850289F.0204, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 27d4dcb358567a405ee73a3f3321e48e Archived-At: Cc: "anima-chairs@ietf.org" , Toerless Eckert Subject: [Anima] Call for adoption on draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:58:13 -0000 Hi, all,=0A= =0A= This message starts a two-week adoption call for Voucher work, which is a s= traight-forward definition of common voucher formats as needed in both ANIM= A and NETCONF WG. Although it was submitted to netconf WG originally, after= discussion with netconf chairs and corresponding ADs, we all agree ANIMA i= s the right home for it. If adopted, the authors hope to be ready for WGLC = before Chicago, giving that our milestone work item bootstrap key infrastru= cture normatively refer it.=0A= =0A= Title: Voucher and Voucher Revocation Profiles for Bootstrapping Pro= tocols=0A= =0A= Authors : Watsen, et al.=0A= Filename: draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher=0A= =0A= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00=0A= =0A= Please express your support or rejection. If you think this document should= _not_ be adopted, please also explicitly indicate the reasons.=0A= =0A= This adoption call will end on Dec. 27, 2016.=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= =0A= Sheng= From nobody Tue Dec 13 16:09:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB406129C6E; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:09:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02lCc_f49f2f; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x241.google.com (mail-pg0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6A86129C79; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x241.google.com with SMTP id p66so324809pga.2; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:05:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=b3Qx4KheBIrA1OBw/c9/c3Qp67uA2fivQQvJgeYV6m4=; b=NoSEDhNJQxtKZYOXG3d/bsa8qWBIGWwgcIXUXybIq5tbvSA8cKDausQtpC27LivhhK G9hzi7ScSsoGqWUl1SF1YCKFz5Vtjf9+MR/cRAeb1wjvKUJmHIyfJuCOXpPSoEWU4rF8 RcKGLN4X4xbzCmWfISS8MlvCcETkW1fNmlqvP15oXTeQeSQIxZI9Bnh3/m8ecYlATGH6 sirmCvwk2UpVzOxqLQQuZ1InNci7FrBuc6lgT9FQ6pBOQ3ZrelJUsNBE4PMPzeeGoy6e pq8XQZ6FSOQ3dbJI9zWYFBliu8f+0TfdJnAxZovKyegA1nfVPzvJo94O7SwbyhmXhcm0 Ss1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=b3Qx4KheBIrA1OBw/c9/c3Qp67uA2fivQQvJgeYV6m4=; b=bZ9+LkKTKtYFdpH/Ayrb4GMxfOsCr8sdP4TkWCCt6XoekpulsazaglTdgpD+DbeJdF NlLlKgnJi+Vre1DvI5ZRU4tucTZE05SFZkuK2zptrsic8mXcGvT9xShy14oIIkbW3e1z 0c3RJOaAv82gRLqMk3DvmTFnvOCpKs1Fy/q59Sk+fqCbj0/wByfRjltQqSwZVerKNQQs emgJgvc+0s2FYIlmymoPlMceoL8k3gqnxkgsaPwQnRuiLVbqpRLDMX5KCgNirymIObmM dRkkwo0B4UVDG5kzOMR2l1vZZMtIZ7Bbx9T6Wm1PBI2OFkamtjRekwZRBLGcRgWRxw7W Zt0w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC030LaVgbnvw0HmgTRTKlAJvaOuCkkiAFYbtTAwFvfoJmv/0UY4/jjMBv4DPcAeNvw== X-Received: by 10.99.207.17 with SMTP id j17mr175532064pgg.57.1481673932400; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.27] ([118.148.70.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b29sm82808145pgn.48.2016.12.13.16.05.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:05:31 -0800 (PST) To: Sheng Jiang , "anima@ietf.org" References: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC76BBA@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <3c741e58-3048-28c0-c93b-747f7d0d7ec6@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:05:32 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC76BBA@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "anima-chairs@ietf.org" , Toerless Eckert Subject: Re: [Anima] Call for adoption on draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:09:08 -0000 Hi, I support adoption of the draft, since we need it as part of Anima. A couple of points seem to need attention before we get to WGLC: > NOTE: AT THIS TIME, THE SIGNING STRATEGY HAS NOT BEEN SELECTED I think that needs to resolved. > Implementations MUST ensure devices have > an accurate clock when shipped from manufacturing facilities, and > take steps to prevent clock tampering. Doesn't that pose a problem for very low-end devices? That is not a concern for devices that are in scope for Anima, but I understand the applicability is intended to be general. As such, the MUST seems impossible to enforce. Shouldn't the formulation be like this: Implementations SHOULD ensure devices have an accurate clock when shipped from manufacturing facilities, and MUST then take steps to prevent clock tampering. If it is not possible to ensure clock accuracy and integrity, implementations MUST disable the aspects of the solution having clock sensitivity. By the same logic, > It is important to note that implementations SHOULD NOT rely on NTP > for time, as it is not a secure protocol. I think that should be a MUST NOT. Otherwise product managers will ignore it. Regards Brian On 14/12/2016 05:57, Sheng Jiang wrote: > Hi, all, > > This message starts a two-week adoption call for Voucher work, which is a straight-forward definition of common voucher formats as needed in both ANIMA and NETCONF WG. Although it was submitted to netconf WG originally, after discussion with netconf chairs and corresponding ADs, we all agree ANIMA is the right home for it. If adopted, the authors hope to be ready for WGLC before Chicago, giving that our milestone work item bootstrap key infrastructure normatively refer it. > > Title: Voucher and Voucher Revocation Profiles for Bootstrapping Protocols > > Authors : Watsen, et al. > Filename: draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00 > > Please express your support or rejection. If you think this document should _not_ be adopted, please also explicitly indicate the reasons. > > This adoption call will end on Dec. 27, 2016. > > Regards, > > Sheng > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima > From nobody Wed Dec 14 17:13:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0641299D2; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:13:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=junipernetworks.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vuHelaeIbKOr; 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15 Dec 2016 05:37:44 +0000 Received: from [10.61.98.212] (dhcp-10-61-98-212.cisco.com [10.61.98.212]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uBF5bitP016616; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 05:37:44 GMT To: Brian E Carpenter , Sheng Jiang , "anima@ietf.org" References: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC76BBA@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> <3c741e58-3048-28c0-c93b-747f7d0d7ec6@gmail.com> From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:37:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3c741e58-3048-28c0-c93b-747f7d0d7ec6@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="V77tBJRLja5CsFcGac9vBmLDhAPqXie9f" Archived-At: Cc: "anima-chairs@ietf.org" , Toerless Eckert Subject: Re: [Anima] Call for adoption on draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 05:37:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --V77tBJRLja5CsFcGac9vBmLDhAPqXie9f Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="BmCt0fxmx6i3Qa52IA1NCInrSlUa6ATM5"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eliot Lear To: Brian E Carpenter , Sheng Jiang , "anima@ietf.org" Cc: "anima-chairs@ietf.org" , Toerless Eckert Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Anima] Call for adoption on draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00 References: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC76BBA@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> <3c741e58-3048-28c0-c93b-747f7d0d7ec6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3c741e58-3048-28c0-c93b-747f7d0d7ec6@gmail.com> --BmCt0fxmx6i3Qa52IA1NCInrSlUa6ATM5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/14/16 1:05 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, > > I support adoption of the draft, since we need it as part of Anima. > > A couple of points seem to need attention before we get to WGLC: > >> NOTE: AT THIS TIME, THE SIGNING STRATEGY HAS NOT BEEN SELECTED > I think that needs to resolved. > >> Implementations MUST ensure devices have >> an accurate clock when shipped from manufacturing facilities, and >> take steps to prevent clock tampering. > Doesn't that pose a problem for very low-end devices? That is not > a concern for devices that are in scope for Anima, but I understand the= > applicability is intended to be general. As such, the MUST seems > impossible to enforce. > > Shouldn't the formulation be like this: > > Implementations SHOULD ensure devices have > an accurate clock when shipped from manufacturing facilities, and > MUST then take steps to prevent clock tampering. > > If it is not possible to ensure clock accuracy and integrity, > implementations MUST disable the aspects of the solution having cloc= k > sensitivity. I think the security considerations section requires some discussion.=20 In particular, a more detailed threat analysis should be given and more specific recommendations given. I can say with some certainty that some devices do not and will not have RTCs. However, this discussion need not take place during a call for adoption. Eliot --BmCt0fxmx6i3Qa52IA1NCInrSlUa6ATM5-- --V77tBJRLja5CsFcGac9vBmLDhAPqXie9f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJYUiwoAAoJEIe2a0bZ0nozl1EH/0zvhJpC3trIl/DThyiobPAh RLxdJXb7YsHuxwW3xTOPr0wzN9efGnTMNxupyX9OBLG8wDSs2rnY0R1x/AjqAOoZ FM4dqp5gn1RWj5IjTY8K9Ap3pidAOHkuRAiZYxDRVOu4QtOcywPMQdn2HMN8udyn UR2dybNpPHSUCa1IFRkKv6nUPHnSJsVuHtQExuKW2qEKE+v4mT8paA4r185ODNXy OhqsMOao/dSphQWHEWlxrFmrxunrInzgI1Lkagqty8h9WrAy7mfUwr4k5SZRp13e 8cAarm7mZsgk7kQcPpb52Y7YuHHuqgb8nXOwFpqYB/h43xx9QqaLHixIB6jO31c= =NA5X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --V77tBJRLja5CsFcGac9vBmLDhAPqXie9f-- From nobody Fri Dec 16 11:09:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietf.org Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDCE129B7D; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148191538696.14728.13117875842288214515.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:09:46 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: anima@ietf.org Subject: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:09:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach of the IETF. Title : A Generic Autonomic Signaling Protocol (GRASP) Authors : Carsten Bormann Brian Carpenter Bing Liu Filename : draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09.txt Pages : 75 Date : 2016-12-16 Abstract: This document establishes requirements for a signaling protocol that enables autonomic devices and autonomic service agents to dynamically discover peers, to synchronize state with them, and to negotiate parameter settings mutually with them. The document then defines a general protocol for discovery, synchronization and negotiation, while the technical objectives for specific scenarios are to be described in separate documents. An Appendix briefly discusses existing protocols with comparable features. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-grasp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Dec 16 11:16:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7271293DF for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:16:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vfIQVtpqNlZO for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x229.google.com (mail-pg0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD0C4120725 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x229.google.com with SMTP id 3so35187729pgd.0 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:16:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wG8giV/8FW3VUvKLWX44f15R1m5SkZxg4EKLBGwWzCM=; b=sj1Ig3TSjQGCY23NRzh//0V6NYxS/lVLBlFiiFVXF1i9h83Hale49e3USmZ4y1Qxzo ssVNVFalJpurcPmkcR0CQNfq26FG9JGpoLXvxloEj+kWSddN0a3MDNgGZg1JGK9vWu5x pB2Q2Q0HmAoHpdNTTiHGTD9oNVygZx59e+8mycO8c3ZxxTurMDOCv4ybrWOucH/Mbxmv 6CA0wj2c8zhPlhRfCThH6HAX5Uj9qe5l/xljqIEQDQnlADp+QAGI1Uqp7nm5Lrj9Fy9q W2Pu24IID1x8JP36dOxzBweDJzEqXFt1jfJwB6nl4MQELDXBAcji7Sfx0yl99hsebT6U HnrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wG8giV/8FW3VUvKLWX44f15R1m5SkZxg4EKLBGwWzCM=; b=lQHq07LUoHDO0DKL3wJbGANW/6J+A5N5+kNZCmwFpEGptac5eBlksojbxPew0CijZG KJRMkMrggwZr7lb0DiACcEBEvCxd/vz0lb/Cj2+gWJGKc5K2G19DtnZRPqv2XkGBfcDs Cru1X8jbJQwqCgSdwwnwBtpl74QF91M38ZPU497hDQAbIGFEMha1V9iohdYj+1DVf+cY yktnBgyxpR73TxhGlRLCN6B29bfmaa5onyO0A2XCzMBbxNP5hkTDvcqkYknoMz9xLFP0 VaOxqxxLPZrcnXFPPo8jkieVls+XpNpy62YMAP9n2xEalKtvDJGt2kSzYIZiouBahBT4 yxBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03da83dWsVeGYueKOd9uZANyQ0hfVwRno+PLBbACF3untDqDu5o0ep+gVDmIMgVfg== X-Received: by 10.99.66.198 with SMTP id p189mr8421549pga.30.1481915814051; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.27] ([118.148.120.5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x2sm13597297pfx.65.2016.12.16.11.16.52 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:16:53 -0800 (PST) To: Anima WG References: <148191538696.14728.13117875842288214515.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 08:17:02 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148191538696.14728.13117875842288214515.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:16:56 -0000 Hi, This version resolves a round of post-WGLC comments, mainly from Michael Richardson. There are various wording improvements and clarifications, and minor corrections. Also there are two real changes: 1. Slightly modified format for the Flood message, so that a separate locator can be associated with each objective if several are flooded together. 2. Added a flag bit to indicate that an objective is negotiated in dry-run mode. At the same time the text is now clearer about the way the flag bits are set. There's a detailed change log in the draft. Regards Brian Carpenter On 17/12/2016 08:09, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach of the IETF. > > Title : A Generic Autonomic Signaling Protocol (GRASP) > Authors : Carsten Bormann > Brian Carpenter > Bing Liu > Filename : draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09.txt > Pages : 75 > Date : 2016-12-16 > > Abstract: > This document establishes requirements for a signaling protocol that > enables autonomic devices and autonomic service agents to dynamically > discover peers, to synchronize state with them, and to negotiate > parameter settings mutually with them. The document then defines a > general protocol for discovery, synchronization and negotiation, > while the technical objectives for specific scenarios are to be > described in separate documents. An Appendix briefly discusses > existing protocols with comparable features. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-grasp/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > From nobody Fri Dec 16 14:28:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599C0129473 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:28:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDFaJhtbvrSz for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x230.google.com (mail-pg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 889D212945A for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x230.google.com with SMTP id f188so36436629pgc.3 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:28:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ONI8ltW45Gk+WEK88KgVceFA70zfJd2JOcWx7WXB0+0=; b=tKQdKVJKl/TeEljEm9Y4H6R39/gJD0KMIMgthvTj64Pmy2vshakhowPQh52DIRcdVF BQcW5hJ6xpsbgciKoq2+BbMQbxXRiE0FsdZMSoZuRVaGBGB3cqmW/9lQFzy/cyKGJkD3 BDxkxgDZuPq69lsx4u2A9fryZvvH026kiVnshKN+aUXDXkwiUYmVhI38R1NnZf2e7j5f xhcdfzVoZdXIvtBwADRvdtBNNMZlemwUq4ONpt6O3f5k6jCdMivFKGBReZXVcLqOL25W uO6uqWRY4eUkz1Oj6WGjp2lOogqJMrYO8z7CQN6Oe1TSSzQWHJYbrVksRmmay9O0J+Ww HW3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ONI8ltW45Gk+WEK88KgVceFA70zfJd2JOcWx7WXB0+0=; b=o7O+ffmwGrd+9ltxO8jlCXuvUl4f1KM3XiT6jwobauhadsdv3Wg5lyJS3w9D4f3Fqj yJlzlTCOrQS+EZAXS5ERjJbcvaSygQcHTI6H0tvD3IsROds76r8/sTNEV+JjuPEtOKGB yF5a4UfVKwLfoUfCwx0dmhT0NdZI244tcQDFDPyGfCQFFWQ0kP3e+AhHinLCEMiJOR1v AB+Gr/6fkMWYxOqhCT7mGLw3pS/UPSaewSW5ie8s/lMmeRNee38tDc0fZA8Zg90Hqfk+ Q56Sn4MmwohVNbIkdBaglTKLK3q7O+nd7FPgvjvuoPbYD+aLt5tZkAojmu/eqKYOESnw fZVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03DCBa5pHaTqAWgtWFMtjIPbYbYl0sdePiimy8LfxFr89MV29plVy2UUbh563iytA== X-Received: by 10.84.129.100 with SMTP id 91mr11343358plb.73.1481927304941; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.27] ([118.148.120.5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p67sm14103767pfb.2.2016.12.16.14.28.23 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:28:24 -0800 (PST) To: Anima WG From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <324e2b4c-ddbe-0f51-997f-dd0b306e4514@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:28:34 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] GRASP Python prototype updated X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:28:27 -0000 The Python code at https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~brian/graspy/ now corresponds to draft-ietf-anima-grasp-09. If you downloaded any earlier code, I strongly suggest updating it. I fixed a few bugs, added the dry-run flag, and updated the Flood message syntax. Regards Brian From nobody Sat Dec 17 11:48:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E981296EC; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:48:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJfrqJ9mqbrY; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA12A1293DC; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (CPEbc4dfb402cc3-CMbc4dfb402cc0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [174.113.238.167]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A1C71F905; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 19:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 0460598C; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 04:48:39 +0900 (KST) From: Michael Richardson To: Brian E Carpenter In-reply-to: <3c741e58-3048-28c0-c93b-747f7d0d7ec6@gmail.com> References: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B927CC76BBA@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> <3c741e58-3048-28c0-c93b-747f7d0d7ec6@gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to Brian E Carpenter message dated "Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:05:32 +1300." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: <11174.1482004118@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Cc: "anima-chairs@ietf.org" , Toerless Eckert , "anima@ietf.org" , Sheng Jiang Subject: Re: [Anima] Call for adoption on draft-kwatsen-netconf-voucher-00 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 19:48:44 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain {as an anchor, I support adopting...} Brian E Carpenter wrote: > A couple of points seem to need attention before we get to WGLC: >> NOTE: AT THIS TIME, THE SIGNING STRATEGY HAS NOT BEEN SELECTED > I think that needs to resolved. I STRONGLY agree. I have been suggesting that we should use CWT: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ace-cbor-web-token/ Reading this is short and sweet, because really all the crypto is in: I-D.ietf-cose-msg and the concepts are from RFC7515. >> Implementations MUST ensure devices have an accurate clock when >> shipped from manufacturing facilities, and take steps to prevent clock >> tampering. > Doesn't that pose a problem for very low-end devices? That is not a > concern for devices that are in scope for Anima, but I understand the > applicability is intended to be general. As such, the MUST seems > impossible to enforce. I think that much of this will be dealt with in the audit vs ownership token discussion which is currently in the bootstrap document, but will get moved to this document. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYVZaWAAoJEJVM4Vb9/EKQcTEH/AuoEEgiKyAfVRXyKJg0wjGe GR4oY5Imu7DVC2odch5s4uAYRsD4HUMRtD7xZBma5bgCV9yT4RG7n7ftrd0lzI9L amShMEfzAAop/+9jnwwdw+puqy0mtEwj0YeIVYVLdQAgYwfn8FGUxCohAJrs5SiA i3ybS0VVNN4XJvMBbe/9jNoEU9cI0sifMUOYqH1VsK7QhgTZHq2H2NU3184d6vzV KaJG8vuDXg7XbZ4P4wtiMQYNaKgNLk9S2LWG3Ek1BffrVdhHadS311U5ZZgzVLpT JS9WhNEKBx6K8cFvlwlY16FR49rEgT40I85UE6y/XtSu9LuOoi5B6mijoWFLqN0= =xmic -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Dec 23 08:12:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C7A129622 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTLveytYQKBe for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37502127071 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5FAE223; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ABD63770; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <9948c34a-eb3a-7c6b-ef2f-ea5e71f6bbcf@gmail.com> References: <9948c34a-eb3a-7c6b-ef2f-ea5e71f6bbcf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: Anima WG Subject: Re: [Anima] Fwd: Re: [homenet] write up of time without clocks X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:12:31 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain {did I send this?} Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Something over on homenet prompted me to send the following. I do have > the same concern for BRSKI - what's the disaster recovery mechanism > when all vendor MASAs are unreachable but we must restart the network > anyway? I think it's been said further down in the thread, but BRSKI does not run on "restart", it runs on "first boot", so unless the disaster entails doing full factory resets there is no problem. If the disaster involves replacing equipment that was destroyed, then we do what we already know we have to do: we build the network trust up in concentrics rings around the Registrar. I agree that it's during a disaster that we most need autonomic networking, because it lets less skilled people bring up networks, removing a major human resource bottleneck. (I wonder how we could get funding from the various emergency preparedness agencies) > Things need to just work during disaster recovery. > Brian -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlhdTOwACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWCfwgAtG8nZy6OInDquh/e4Amv46EiAmH4P86jgaP8NS4SroJMm/gK0tO0vOzp 7weOlhVOfGDfP498QIhexf1uQwTooSuQMVA4u7hs83PjpYWYIOgox7b9w/gAEbu8 V8Lu7dVq3OcWl1Ggf57vEE1pVmzqs9Jxdw0fxTk91CVw5Eoh/GJFNAwdiYm+Sh6w MqJACds4I1TldH+dyO+95UG97+fGIii+z6N8dij7RwkAqmvFNS2NXWD3VF+tIrhS Ajkyf9mPq9NZVT27Dt5pGFDZ98z9AoLxZSdeAOJfP4+UmZSZiIS3sycsz6Vadbjv 2qOH6W2p77eHocrXHeqlpKrbSc5Uww== =y3Al -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Dec 29 17:19:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB19F129A20 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:19:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXCHcP640WCU for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62E91129762 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FACF200A3 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A6163768 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: anima@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Hackathon at IETF94 thoughts X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 01:19:41 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian and I have been discussing thoughts about an ANIMA Hackathon at IETF9= 4. The question has been: how much code would be ready, and how much interoperation could be actually attempt! In my mind the first bakeoff/hackathon will likely be a bit underwhelming because people won't have enough code yet. That's okay: the point is to invite people to come and consider how they are going to do things. i.e. this is as much marketing is it is interoperation, but it's marketing to get participation in the future!!!! We can't plan just the one hackathon. From=20my point of view, I see the several stages/actors of bootstrap. I'm listing them because they can be mock'ed if someone has no code for thi= s. 1) registrar. 2) network of ACP nodes running GRASP, of which one is a willing proxy. 3) new pledge 4) vendor / manufacturer CA I have some (RubyOnRails) code that can operate as a bit of a registrar, and I'll have more by March that can do more EST things, but the code I have now can be used to manually generate certificates. So, ANIMA systems that don't have bootstrap code could be manually bootstrapped, and we likely will learn something doing that. The network of ACP nodes running GRASP, at least on Linux, is "trivial" to setup in a mock situation. At least, it's easy for me to do, and I would very much be happy to share that experience, so you'd have "installed ACP code". Could we find someone with enough Microsoft Windows IPsec clue to set up tunnel on Windows, and figure out how to get the right certificates loaded? I dunno... maybe someone here knows how. Also Cisco, Juniper, Ericsson, etc routers might be manually configured to do ACP tunnels; and we likely learn something trying to make things interoperate. So even if we couldn't get RPL to operate across a multi-platform situation, we might still be able to, for instance, M_FLOOD something across a bunch of IPsec P2P tunnels connecting things. That would be a significant accomplishment in my mind for a first attempt. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlhltikACgkQgItw+93Q 3WW9tggAjYUbHKIZ9ZxNRgTJ4O6MQQcX7YtmHwdPcH98pG8ieQp6tDK3+pjeN999 iowIC4jgtLKOH/5Gi7yPZh6VIPKqdA7yhvZFmU7L1SNY9JiWtvWjAZSkaZ6Fk7CB HLtNtqCu0eP0baYlPj03204UC1NRFqH46XJJMtWrO3Ajv/MuF0vgVQ6LwhBam3zL Ax1Uu13srygrUlte0ge0JdWzyEVpSmRFfyTxA7M6bkBTgVTzQ1xobITqQy1Dyyxf iEWgVK3JdJylr6sc/E8CNZv/iWPvcxgFxubTR3p/y22wMRdnLVWKI0vyKeFTVkWy GyuUhgyRl1A2CQwx+5fT7s0OBfeB+A== =HIwV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Dec 29 19:09:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91751295F2 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:09:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHbOVnFzE_Ar for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C8191297AA for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6409E1F0 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E89163768 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:08:57 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson cc: anima@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <27315.1483060778@obiwan.sandelman.ca> References: <27315.1483060778@obiwan.sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Hackathon at IETF94 thoughts X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:09:00 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Michael Richardson wrote: > Brian and I have been discussing thoughts about an ANIMA Hackathon at > IETF94. I meant, IETF98, Chicago. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlhlz8gACgkQgItw+93Q 3WU28Qf/RiiIctc1IwLfKFYmRx41hTLotagyfheVynMnBeudvjpKBVdVGMrohgiQ DpGVegnV+pqPSuJhDnV5M3e7ftZRTnX9mVLOR9UTkWAotE8H4mbzICogkBRDa9B7 /bbhq3ZFtw7U2e9iKU9RMj98SO5R15in8bywecQSSoILMp/U2gtQD3OoVoslE/tT t7LEJlVV6Xgm4fNbkwB8Ojozs/3Idw0U+E3Sq8LKjBP9HJwJz9VpRvuA7tApCr8S CGKNte8pe9tic9V2OVuz0Rh7SC8fsELU9HJhb995wURHeKSBAA/7TyPaqNv2JZfn GlqtT0emIfog27OPuK62D6vpEnom9g== =e3Hy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--