From nobody Wed Nov 1 13:51:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D54313FED0; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJqbksUzkyEG; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC8CB13FECC; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCF658C4FC; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 21:51:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 5A287B0D054; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 21:51:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 21:51:04 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org Message-ID: <20171101205104.GA18695@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <150939949967.7819.14841653115116238686@ietfa.amsl.com> <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 20:51:11 -0000 My proposal to the BRSKI authors are to fix up this text in line with how i did it for ACP for discovery of EST server across ACP for cert renewal (reminder: Cert renewal is not part of BRSKI because BRSKI does not specify cert renewal and its in ACP because we need a commonly supported cert renewal method): ACP 6.1.3: SRV.est, flooding, specified simpled default parameter For BRSKI, service name would be SRV.brski same timing parameters. Both are registered objective names with IANA according to GRASP. That should give us the IMHO most simple, best understood option: - flooding behavior is well understood. query/reply behavior in the face of different topologies and stopping of discovery when first objective instance is discovered is a lot more novel. The naming SRV.xxx can then later on be generalized via the definitions proposed in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd-00 That draft also includes the definitions for how to do distance based ("TTL") discovery and how to bring in service "priority" etc. in a DNS-SD compatible fashion... And we can bet up on those details long after we hopefully have BRSKI/ACP RFC because we would just update BRSKI/ACP RFC with that later RFC - aka: definitely i do not want to make these more generic definitions a prerequisite for BRSKI/ACP! Cheers Toerless On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 02:26:51PM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I'm confused. > > On the one hand, you haven't fixed the syntax error that I > pointed out in the flooded objective "AN_proxy". > > On the other hand, you've changed the discovered objective > "AN_join_registrar" into a flooded objective. I thought that > the BRSKI team had decided against that? I don't care, > either way will work, but I'm a bit surprised. > > The flooded version seems to be correctly defined, unlike > "AN_proxy". > > (Also, I thought you want to shorten its name to "AN_registrar", > but that is a detail.) > > Regards > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Nov 1 17:21:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DED13F822; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 17:21:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jjlZirrHjmKF; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 17:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E8EB1386A1; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 17:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE9520583; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 20:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6553582639; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 20:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Brian E Carpenter cc: draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> References: <150939949967.7819.14841653115116238686@ietfa.amsl.com> <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7-RC3; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 00:21:04 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On the one hand, you haven't fixed the syntax error that I > pointed out in the flooded objective "AN_proxy". Oops. I forgot about that part. Let me Mail_FLOOD some replacement text tomorrow. > On the other hand, you've changed the discovered objective > "AN_join_registrar" into a flooded objective. I thought that > the BRSKI team had decided against that? I don't care, > either way will work, but I'm a bit surprised. > The flooded version seems to be correctly defined, unlike > "AN_proxy". That's good to know so that I know how to fix AN_proxy. > (Also, I thought you want to shorten its name to "AN_registrar", > but that is a detail.) We have discussed the possibility that not all (EST) registrars would want to handle join traffic, and so there might be an AN_registrar objective for use to renew certificates, etc. once the node has joined. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAln6ZO0ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVtvAf/Rajy98/8DJIAU+a1YtetSAMHY4H6yd34fonQSs6cYBSyqflvP2XgV10C b1+a+IQZt+Sh+guIMoc73P07iz/GZTCsw/+e8xNcrnBtunvKf3MaL3zOYiwYoT9o S3YioOHCpEcwbMYecX1Gd1qeSQ4C9Q12d3etdB0XSrnVbTodKx3Ad//s1o2xhvOy tANOacfK4JdQ6T0wR0N8w0Z2r3Ec3NQ3r1Zbh5mrdxtg+JNrjKy9P7yt5a7+XVA3 27weYrKFa3bB3gimY1PEycF0x898fEj4A6mLpdpo3gFnevS7+tU2izqqLJps51yk YbalEWY2djlj09DcOa/VTnff7+X4qA== =4V0o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Nov 2 06:37:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1D413F60D; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 06:37:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id emIZp9OkBbLh; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B075D13F6C9; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 06:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DEF20591; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6559082639; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson to: Brian E Carpenter , draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <9972.1509582061@obiwan.sandelman.ca> References: <150939949967.7819.14841653115116238686@ietfa.amsl.com> <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> <9972.1509582061@obiwan.sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7-RC3; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] M_FLOOD revision in draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 13:37:10 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Brian, did I get this right? 4.1.1. Proxy Grasp announcements A proxy uses the GRASP M_FLOOD mechanism to announce itself. The pledge SHOULD listen for messages of these form. This announcement can be within the same message as the ACP announcement detailed in [I-D.ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane]. The M_FLOOD is formatted as follows: [M_FLOOD, 12340815, h'fe80::1', 180000, ["AN_Proxy", 4, 1, ""], [O_IPv6_LOCATOR, h'fe80::1', 'TCP', 4443]] Figure 6b: Proxy Discovery The formal CDDL definition is: flood-message = [M_FLOOD, session-id, initiator, ttl, +[objective, (locator-option / [])]] objective = ["AN_Proxy", objective-flags, loop-count, objective-value] ttl = 180000 ; 180,000 ms (3 minutes) initiator = ACP address to contact Registrar objective-flags = sync-only ; as in GRASP spec sync-only = 4 ; M_FLOOD only requires synchronization loop-count = 1 ; one hop only objective-value = '' ; none locator = [ O_IPv6_LOCATOR, ipv6-address, transport-proto, port-number ] ipv6-address = the v6 LL of the proxy transport-proto = 'TCP' port-number = selected by proxy Figure 6c: AN_Proxy CDDL -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAln7H4EACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWZegf/eYABCUqhus0YogcQvUSIBEE+8M7o5q5UvcDOzKVsGBVoiJhJDlskPGUp OSKe1YZyzozP2WsjlBUAwPT55x7DIhpD4vbVdeyuAgDMLxOZmJBiaI/NB7qTKXLp RQJbIHQc+/q8pfRoJ+tARi+r9Kkuyi22sia3YGA8qL4CWX9whuxXYnL8zGHk78hp DcBM00+rttjD4U8i0F2Ty8ti+YgkbELsF3AzYkajmckhRnHTMwc7j9dQsxIOSYGz LEuC84sxqP2MtwCK+rCHAAFCtAsIZhKYoWXRjrNZJUYsRg+LfAU+oV24JIOisoRY 6uSPlXYfdR979PKg1qtIv/mDCh2adw== =VPul -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Nov 2 17:40:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6BC13FADC; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LS3LB-VYkpDN; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x230.google.com (mail-pf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16BEA13FADF; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id d28so956854pfe.2; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:40:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=kdLVEW56nnMZ4tB4dtGhWFK3Q1f1rt71f1rrYIW1iOw=; b=eCxoilMRjMlqqNSQBnKvYAnKw4ASfOjtlW22ZVHQCz29QDbi0q1ohjA7hmJ5QF2u8m PCDvChRgs2oM36qjz0jbX4Gn8mT62mExJU0hofm95wYpRjYNchPSCEUxNXAZfRCSagSl e+yDyU9Em6Q7Km/ekQ9BXaXCg1Y80vO7497TdUDmmFIjKiWpyuIhsvPvsnnhSnNbX0+/ zj8G4dCM9YSVBVx0xdZWNl+mHIHuH8xuRYc0DT3zIq2JqBsE7F4LZ2LOpw9uWi6F03LF 18RbTMdS/uFX2NPKbS6dlRVFCPwZgEdjy/Wvj7xpDTBrxx/meFz4+JKKQxUoGka/0aMh UWDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language; bh=kdLVEW56nnMZ4tB4dtGhWFK3Q1f1rt71f1rrYIW1iOw=; b=VEyPgT64X6jlE8aWoYXJJBs9DlaoRjQyqh9xiq68Qk9W73liBAApWPqKgjMetiz/wM 18u/2WWK1yD4amWvW4T9sn4f1v9nQgffJhYRDk8wv77x/OHfU7NH3Fp9K4KKpObznXft FU8QA2/1oGrujOX/l10JvlWo6Q5heb2Gl4DYrzk9HzTclPwhZg8SMA+5ZbzlCP80OcrZ 15cslXwunTkLalkTzQtGorNqm8YASV4UMFeA6JdzpsSCs770YU1WD88WY1ee7A0BzhP0 iIWWK9q4U97oZdtnAwoy8lsx1cxBsvLDl52W3M//0I24u+ifxZp4jgopnlceWrBmQa59 uqHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXbbDvX4Txqfvcmi1dj0qxtYd0L6+f8CmqBwMzNwZmmP3sNBVXw jpMQ+uTa1zLsue0TJa7ZH5kYtw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RcQA8vO5vgPtTrI1qiksY8cMiRqPLLn4mwBDyGZQYjuobm7RU0JaXKpustmslIOlGtvLJXKw== X-Received: by 10.99.171.77 with SMTP id k13mr5397612pgp.229.1509669634105; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 24sm8063402pfk.9.2017.11.02.17.40.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Richardson , draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org References: <150939949967.7819.14841653115116238686@ietfa.amsl.com> <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> <9972.1509582061@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <15724.1509629825@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <6e9d9b4f-b5d9-a87d-c8e5-19a37fb1018b@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 13:40:37 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15724.1509629825@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E17497468961B1532F330F6D" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] M_FLOOD revision in draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 00:40:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E17497468961B1532F330F6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Just a couple of minor points: On 03/11/2017 02:37, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Brian, did I get this right? > > 4.1.1. Proxy Grasp announcements > > A proxy uses the GRASP M_FLOOD mechanism to announce itself. The > pledge SHOULD listen for messages of these form. This announcement > can be within the same message as the ACP announcement detailed in > [I-D.ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane]. The M_FLOOD is formatted > as follows: > > [M_FLOOD, 12340815, h'fe80::1', 180000, > ["AN_Proxy", 4, 1, ""], > [O_IPv6_LOCATOR, > h'fe80::1', 'TCP', 4443]] > > Figure 6b: Proxy Discovery > > The formal CDDL definition is: > > flood-message = [M_FLOOD, session-id, initiator, ttl, > +[objective, (locator-option / [])]] > > objective = ["AN_Proxy", objective-flags, loop-count, > objective-value] > > ttl = 180000 ; 180,000 ms (3 minutes) > initiator = ACP address to contact Registrar > objective-flags = sync-only ; as in GRASP spec > sync-only = 4 ; M_FLOOD only requires synchronization > loop-count = 1 ; one hop only > objective-value = '' ; none If you want a null string in CDDL, I think it has to be "". But why not make it any in the formal syntax, with a RECOMMENDED value of null? That provides extensibility at zero cost. > locator = [ O_IPv6_LOCATOR, ipv6-address, > transport-proto, port-number ] > ipv6-address = the v6 LL of the proxy > transport-proto = 'TCP' That field is supposed to be an integer. And I assume you want to allow UDP too? So in GRASP-CDDL, that would be IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP Not sure if IPIP is also an option here, that would be a tiny extension to GRASP-CDDL (named IPPROTO_IPV6 of course). That said, I updated my Reggie, Procksy and Pledji demos to the current definitions and they are happily running in background as I type this. Please check the attached diagnostic output. The first block is an M_FLOOD message from the registrar. I coded it to send three [objective, locator] pairs in a single message. The next three blocks are M_FLOODs from the proxy - in this case I coded it to send three separate M_FLOODs, one for each locator. Tell me if any of it looks unexpected. (All GRASP instances were running on the same host for this test, so you will only see one GUA address and one LL address). I've pushed the code to GitHub. Doc at https://github.com/becarpenter/graspy/blob/master/brski-demo.pdf Brian > port-number = selected by proxy > > Figure 6c: AN_Proxy CDDL > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > --------------E17497468961B1532F330F6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name="BRSKIsamples.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BRSKIsamples.txt" X21jbGlzdGVuIDQ1MzYgUmVjZWl2ZWQgbXVsdGljYXN0IGInODcwOTFhNGRkZThmMTQ1MDI0 MDZlMDAxM2QyMTAwMDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxMWEwMDAxZDRjMDgyODQ3MTQxNGU1ZjZh NmY2OTZlNWY3MjY1Njc2OTczNzQ3MjYxNzIwNTA2ZjY4NDE4Njc1MDI0MDZlMDAxM2QyMTAw MDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxMDYxODUwODI4NDcxNDE0ZTVmNmE2ZjY5NmU1ZjcyNjU2NzY5 NzM3NDcyNjE3MjA1MDZmNjg0MTg2NzUwMjQwNmUwMDEzZDIxMDAwMTI4Y2NkYzRjOTcwMzY3 ODExMTE5MDM3MDgyODQ3MTQxNGU1ZjZhNmY2OTZlNWY3MjY1Njc2OTczNzQ3MjYxNzIwNTA2 ZjY4NDE4Njc1MDI0MDZlMDAxM2QyMTAwMDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxMTgyOTAwJyBmcm9t IGZlODA6OjI4Y2M6ZGM0Yzo5NzAzOjY3ODEgcG9ydCA2MDg2MiBpbnRlcmZhY2UgMTIgDQpf bWNsaXN0ZW4gNDUzNiBNdWx0aWNhc3Q6IENCT1ItPlB5dGhvbjogWzksIDEzMDY0MzEyNTIs IGInMjQwNmUwMDEzZDIxMDAwMTI4Y2NkYzRjOTcwMzY3ODEnLCAxMjAwMDAsIFtbJ0FOX2pv aW5fcmVnaXN0cmFyJywgNSwgNiwgTm9uZV0sIFsxMDMsIGInMjQwNmUwMDEzZDIxMDAwMTI4 Y2NkYzRjOTcwMzY3ODEnLCA2LCA4MF1dLCBbWydBTl9qb2luX3JlZ2lzdHJhcicsIDUsIDYs IE5vbmVdLCBbMTAzLCBiJzI0MDZlMDAxM2QyMTAwMDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxJywgMTcs IDg4MF1dLCBbWydBTl9qb2luX3JlZ2lzdHJhcicsIDUsIDYsIE5vbmVdLCBbMTAzLCBiJzI0 MDZlMDAxM2QyMTAwMDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxJywgNDEsIDBdXV0gDQoNCg0KX21jbGlz dGVuIDQ1MzYgUmVjZWl2ZWQgbXVsdGljYXN0IGInODUwOTFhYzViMjRjYWM1MDI0MDZlMDAx M2QyMTAwMDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxMTllYTYwODI4NDY4NDE0ZTVmNzA3MjZmNzg3OTA1 MDFmNjg0MTg2NzUwZmU4MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDI4Y2NkYzRjOTcwMzY3ODEwNjE5MmUxOScg ZnJvbSBmZTgwOjoyOGNjOmRjNGM6OTcwMzo2NzgxIHBvcnQgNTc2MDUgaW50ZXJmYWNlIDEy IA0KX21jbGlzdGVuIDQ1MzYgTXVsdGljYXN0OiBDQk9SLT5QeXRob246IFs5LCAzMzE2Nzk2 NTg4LCBiJzI0MDZlMDAxM2QyMTAwMDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxJywgNjAwMDAsIFtbJ0FO X3Byb3h5JywgNSwgMSwgTm9uZV0sIFsxMDMsIGInZmU4MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDI4Y2NkYzRj OTcwMzY3ODEnLCA2LCAxMTgwMV1dXSANCg0KX21jbGlzdGVuIDQ1MzYgUmVjZWl2ZWQgbXVs dGljYXN0IGInODUwOTFhOWYzZWQwZDM1MDI0MDZlMDAxM2QyMTAwMDEyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2 NzgxMTllYTYwODI4NDY4NDE0ZTVmNzA3MjZmNzg3OTA1MDFmNjg0MTg2NzUwZmU4MDAwMDAw MDAwMDAwMDI4Y2NkYzRjOTcwMzY3ODExODI5MDAnIGZyb20gZmU4MDo6MjhjYzpkYzRjOjk3 MDM6Njc4MSBwb3J0IDU3NjA1IGludGVyZmFjZSAxMiANCl9tY2xpc3RlbiA0NTM2IE11bHRp Y2FzdDogQ0JPUi0+UHl0aG9uOiBbOSwgMjY3MTY5NDAzNSwgYicyNDA2ZTAwMTNkMjEwMDAx MjhjY2RjNGM5NzAzNjc4MScsIDYwMDAwLCBbWydBTl9wcm94eScsIDUsIDEsIE5vbmVdLCBb MTAzLCBiJ2ZlODAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxJywgNDEsIDBdXV0gDQoN Cl9tY2xpc3RlbiA0NTM2IFJlY2VpdmVkIG11bHRpY2FzdCBiJzg1MDkxYWRlYWZjOTA4NTAy NDA2ZTAwMTNkMjEwMDAxMjhjY2RjNGM5NzAzNjc4MTE5ZWE2MDgyODQ2ODQxNGU1ZjcwNzI2 Zjc4NzkwNTAxZjY4NDE4Njc1MGZlODAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAyOGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxMTEx OTJlN2YnIGZyb20gZmU4MDo6MjhjYzpkYzRjOjk3MDM6Njc4MSBwb3J0IDU3NjA1IGludGVy ZmFjZSAxMiANCl9tY2xpc3RlbiA0NTM2IE11bHRpY2FzdDogQ0JPUi0+UHl0aG9uOiBbOSwg MzczNjA2MjIxNiwgYicyNDA2ZTAwMTNkMjEwMDAxMjhjY2RjNGM5NzAzNjc4MScsIDYwMDAw LCBbWydBTl9wcm94eScsIDUsIDEsIE5vbmVdLCBbMTAzLCBiJ2ZlODAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAy OGNjZGM0Yzk3MDM2NzgxJywgMTcsIDExOTAzXV1dDQoNCg== --------------E17497468961B1532F330F6D-- From nobody Thu Nov 2 20:00:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F9413FB2B; 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WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2017-11-02 23:00:41 EDT Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Technical comments on draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-12 (part 2) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 03:00:48 -0000 Subject to correction of the points below, and some non-technical suggestions sent to the document authors, I believe that this document is ready to publish. Bill Technical issues 1) Somewhere, the document needs to have a definitive reference to the definition of a VRF. If no such reference exists, then a definition of Virtual Referencing and Forwarding must be given inside this document. This could be included in the explanation of VRF in Section 2, or inserted at an appropriate place in the subsequent text. 2) The ACP is defined in various ways in the ANIMA documents. I don't like any of the ones that I have seen in published documents; I find the one in Section 3.1 of draft-ietf-anima-reference-model-05 to be particularly opaque. It is very important that all definitions of the ACP (in the reference model, in the ACP document, etc.) say the same thing. The one that I like best was suggested by Brian Carpenter in a discussion with me and some others: "The ACP is the secure transport substrate that is *used by* the ANI for its interactions with other *autonomic* nodes and services." I hope that a good definition can be agreed to by all document writers; the important thing is that we not be seen as saying different things in different documents. 3) Section 6, para 2, line 3. "following ACP specific information field in its domain certificate" -> "ACP specific information in the xxx field of its domain certificate, as specified in Section 6.1.1," (The word "following" refers to something that is 5 paragraphs away, and so is ambiguous. It is important to be specific here. Note: I cannot tell from the text what field of the domain certificate must contain this information, so I have written "xxx". Please make the appropriate substitution.) 4) In Section 6.8.2, para 6, line 3. "equally built" (What does "equally" mean here? I cannot puzzle out what is intended.) 5) In Section 6.10.1, bullet 4, this bullet appears to be talking about three types of addresses, "ULA", "ULA-Random", and "assigned ULA", when in fact there are only two. I suggest the following text for the first sentence: "Use-ULA: For loopback interfaces of ACP nodes, we use Unique Local Addresses (ULA), specifically ULA-Random, as specified in [RFC4193]." 6) In Section 6.10.3 and Section 6.10.3.1, the phrases "zone", "Zone ID", "zone-ID", and "Zone-ID" are used interchangeably. This is ambiguous. Since almost all of the discussion is about the "Zone-ID" field, the two sections should be reviewed carefully, with the goal of using a single phrase throughout these two sections. If "zone", Zone ID, "zone-ID", or "Zone-ID" is used elsewhere in the document, it should be examined. When discussing the concept of a zone, "zone" should be used; when discussing the Zone-ID field, "Zone-ID" should be used. -- Dr. J.W. 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([2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b68sm8488378pfg.171.2017.11.02.20.57.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:57:38 -0700 (PDT) To: William Atwood , anima@ietf.org, draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane@ietf.org References: <7666922c-5c6a-5c8c-3576-62db9ef28bfa@concordia.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 16:57:44 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7666922c-5c6a-5c8c-3576-62db9ef28bfa@concordia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Technical comments on draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-12 (part 2) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 03:57:42 -0000 On 03/11/2017 16:00, William Atwood wrote: ... > 6) In Section 6.10.3 and Section 6.10.3.1, the phrases "zone", "Zone > ID", "zone-ID", and "Zone-ID" are used interchangeably. This is > ambiguous. Since almost all of the discussion is about the "Zone-ID" > field, the two sections should be reviewed carefully, with the goal of > using a single phrase throughout these two sections. If "zone", Zone > ID, "zone-ID", or "Zone-ID" is used elsewhere in the document, it should > be examined. When discussing the concept of a zone, "zone" should be > used; when discussing the Zone-ID field, "Zone-ID" should be used. This is particularly important since "zone" and "zone index" and "zone_id" are used in a completely different sense in RFC 4007 and other RFCs that depend on RFC 4007. In fact, it might be worth a note that this is different from that. I commented elsewhere that the ACP adjacency table needs to include the interface index for link-local addresses**, and that is in fact exactly what RFC 4007 calls the "zone index". So unless we make this excessively clear, we can be certain that some readers will get the two things mixed up. ** How you determine the interface index is o/s dependent, so it's important to put this in the adjacency table, for maximum portability of code. Brian From nobody Sat Nov 4 10:43:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E9413FBB8 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 10:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WTe01S3WilcY for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 10:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EE313FBBB for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 10:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@poise.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.209]) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id vA4HhsTh007431 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:43:54 -0400 To: anima@ietf.org From: William Atwood Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:43:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2017-11-04 13:43:54 EDT Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 17:43:58 -0000 Para 2, bullet 2, says the following: "The 40 bits ULA "global ID" (term from [RFC4193]) for ACP addresses carried in the domain information field of domain certificates are the first 40 bits of the SHA256 hash of the routing subdomain from the same domain information field. In the example of Section 6.1.1, the routing subdomain is "area51.research.acp.example.com" and the 40 bits ULA "global ID" a379a6f6ee." Since I wanted to see what the SHA256 hash would be for an Autonomic Network that I plan to create in my lab, I went looking for SHA256 hash generators on-line. For two different on-line generators, I get the following results: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator area51.research.acp.example.com 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 http://passwordsgenerator.net/sha256-hash-generator/ area51.research.acp.example.com 89B714F3DB8E41558CFB49D4D763EE7CC5AE53A3FFE8A17039679D06DC9BB0E3 These give identical results, but the first 40 bits have no (apparent) relationship with the result cited in the ACP draft. Does anyone have any idea which one is wrong, and why? Bill -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 From nobody Sun Nov 5 18:00:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9F413F961 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:00:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxUu5bzLWfME for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FB113FA27 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@poise.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.209]) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id vA620VDi009128 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2017 21:00:32 -0500 References: To: anima@ietf.org From: William Atwood X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: <102500a0-1737-441f-59a1-8e70507a1070@concordia.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 21:00:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2017-11-05 21:00:32 EST Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Fwd: Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 02:00:36 -0000 Supplementary question: Is the change from SHA-1 (in RFC 4193) to SHA256 (in this draft) intentional? If so (and I presume that it is, given that SHA-1 seems to be in disrepute), then the statements in Section 6.10.2 of the ACP document: "The first 48 bits follow the ULA scheme, as defined in [RFC4193], to which a type field is added:" will have to be altered to note the change from SHA-1 to SHA256. Bill -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Anima] Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:43:54 -0400 From: William Atwood To: anima@ietf.org Para 2, bullet 2, says the following: "The 40 bits ULA "global ID" (term from [RFC4193]) for ACP addresses carried in the domain information field of domain certificates are the first 40 bits of the SHA256 hash of the routing subdomain from the same domain information field. In the example of Section 6.1.1, the routing subdomain is "area51.research.acp.example.com" and the 40 bits ULA "global ID" a379a6f6ee." Since I wanted to see what the SHA256 hash would be for an Autonomic Network that I plan to create in my lab, I went looking for SHA256 hash generators on-line. For two different on-line generators, I get the following results: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator area51.research.acp.example.com 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 http://passwordsgenerator.net/sha256-hash-generator/ area51.research.acp.example.com 89B714F3DB8E41558CFB49D4D763EE7CC5AE53A3FFE8A17039679D06DC9BB0E3 These give identical results, but the first 40 bits have no (apparent) relationship with the result cited in the ACP draft. Does anyone have any idea which one is wrong, and why? Bill -- Dr. J.W. 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([2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m195sm20463848pga.13.2017.11.05.18.11.02 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Nov 2017 18:11:03 -0800 (PST) To: anima@ietf.org References: <102500a0-1737-441f-59a1-8e70507a1070@concordia.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <17cf4fb9-362a-8325-90f3-d92a9d534fb6@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:11:00 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <102500a0-1737-441f-59a1-8e70507a1070@concordia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Fwd: Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 02:11:07 -0000 On 06/11/2017 15:00, William Atwood wrote: > Supplementary question: > > Is the change from SHA-1 (in RFC 4193) to SHA256 (in this draft) > intentional? If so (and I presume that it is, given that SHA-1 seems to > be in disrepute), then the statements in Section 6.10.2 of the ACP document: > > "The first 48 bits follow the ULA scheme, as defined in [RFC4193], to > which a type field is added:" > > will have to be altered to note the change from SHA-1 to SHA256. Note that there aren't any normative keywords applied to the choice of SHA-1 in RFC4193, so I don't think this is a normative update. > Bill > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [Anima] Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane > Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:43:54 -0400 > From: William Atwood > To: anima@ietf.org > > Para 2, bullet 2, says the following: > > "The 40 bits ULA "global ID" (term from [RFC4193]) for ACP > addresses carried in the domain information field of domain > certificates are the first 40 bits of the SHA256 hash of the > routing subdomain from the same domain information field. In the > example of Section 6.1.1, the routing subdomain is > "area51.research.acp.example.com" and the 40 bits ULA "global ID" > a379a6f6ee." > > Since I wanted to see what the SHA256 hash would be for an Autonomic > Network that I plan to create in my lab, I went looking for SHA256 hash > generators on-line. > > For two different on-line generators, I get the following results: > > http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator > area51.research.acp.example.com > 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 > > http://passwordsgenerator.net/sha256-hash-generator/ > area51.research.acp.example.com > 89B714F3DB8E41558CFB49D4D763EE7CC5AE53A3FFE8A17039679D06DC9BB0E3 > > These give identical results, but the first 40 bits have no (apparent) > relationship with the result cited in the ACP draft. > > Does anyone have any idea which one is wrong, and why? > > Bill > From nobody Mon Nov 6 07:58:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A6B13FC4E for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 07:58:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vn6jP1WT3YjA for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 07:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3491C13FC07 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 07:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (ipv6.dooku.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:6::1]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 919301F8FB; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id A798335A3; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:57:32 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: William Atwood cc: anima@ietf.org In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to William Atwood message dated "Sat, 04 Nov 2017 13:43:54 -0400." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 10:57:32 -0500 Message-ID: <2643.1509983852@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:58:28 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable William Atwood wrote: > For two different on-line generators, I get the following results: > http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator > area51.research.acp.example.com > 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 Sometimes the difference is whether or not a CR and/or LF is included in the hash. I see that your result is without the line feed. dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 14553 %echo area51.research.acp.example.com | sha256sum 60b1547f399cb8354010e0bd5853f0bcd393590e44efa2cb47c233615e9ce766 - dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 14554 %echo -n area51.research.acp.example.com | sha25= 6sum 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 - But, the only device that needs to create the ULA prefix is the registrar during it's bootstrap, and once created it is to be stored. I would expect that if there was an administrator interface that it would ask for some domain details, and then pre-populate a "ACP prefix" field with the result, but let the admin type in their own. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJaAIZsAAoJEJVM4Vb9/EKQi/cIAKwcxoupt7s35A3qNS3jNyG+ BkZVYu00LymROxkqv6ThxZ8hDZ14K/EkdvKyRlyO4dzmGbReRUWxD9kpep6H71Jz PgA0cILiFMwqwynkPQ70tfPa9CBxoz6H4drC41m3JOm6jR9wKTBA1DDEboM8WSBo EauiSxp0WggKiNRpoRYOFiUL6RplWmlqmOxTy3BlPvKf7I3N6wnTMMrhlHwK//Sm nDwt4boy2DDpkF3rqe0/eg1rAhWdOm9O1KDVO5GuH2hKifzh74nwJcBXRH7+ESiI D4T1GatHiQw0EpU5X42LKq28lVG8QvP30wqR8jQOPwIDYjAGetvX4kT73aRFHgg= =NCv3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Nov 6 09:23:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D3113FB55 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 09:23:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BpDrVBBgCqMt for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 09:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFFF13FB1D for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 09:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@poise.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.209]) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id vA6HN5A2029021; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 12:23:05 -0500 To: Michael Richardson Cc: anima@ietf.org References: <2643.1509983852@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: William Atwood Message-ID: <7d82ac90-081d-90fb-81c6-58781b469649@concordia.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 12:23:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2643.1509983852@dooku.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2017-11-06 12:23:05 EST Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 17:23:08 -0000 Michael, My point is not in how the hash is used, but that the example is wrong. Neither sha1sum nor sha256sum gives "a379a6f6ee" as the first 40 bits. poise bill > echo -n area51.research.acp.example.com | sha1sum 78145a90f86c6a7c7a92605b67a5d9373bde0fae - Therefore, since neither my sha256sum result nor my sha1sum result is the same as the example, and since you have verified that my sha256sum result is correct (and the draft calls for a sha256sum result), the result in the example is wrong, and needs to be corrected. Bill On 06/11/2017 10:57 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > William Atwood wrote: > > For two different on-line generators, I get the following results: > > > > > http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator > > area51.research.acp.example.com > > 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 > > Sometimes the difference is whether or not a CR and/or LF is included in the > hash. I see that your result is without the line feed. > > dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 14553 %echo area51.research.acp.example.com | sha256sum > 60b1547f399cb8354010e0bd5853f0bcd393590e44efa2cb47c233615e9ce766 - > dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 14554 %echo -n area51.research.acp.example.com | sha256sum > 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 - > > > > But, the only device that needs to create the ULA prefix is the registrar > during it's bootstrap, and once created it is to be stored. I would expect > that if there was an administrator interface that it would ask for some > domain details, and then pre-populate a "ACP prefix" field with the result, > but let the admin type in their own. > -- Dr. J.W. 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([2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm29187521pfi.165.2017.11.06.11.23.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Nov 2017 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) To: William Atwood , Michael Richardson Cc: anima@ietf.org References: <2643.1509983852@dooku.sandelman.ca> <7d82ac90-081d-90fb-81c6-58781b469649@concordia.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <2d04bad9-a6f1-7497-5a42-6822286c580e@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:23:19 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7d82ac90-081d-90fb-81c6-58781b469649@concordia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Section 6.10.2 of draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 19:23:25 -0000 On 07/11/2017 06:23, William Atwood wrote: > Michael, > > My point is not in how the hash is used, but that the example is wrong. Yes. The value has been there since draft -08 and it's been wrong all along. > Neither sha1sum nor sha256sum gives "a379a6f6ee" as the first 40 bits. Nor does MD5, which was specified in earlier versions of the draft. (The text makes it clear that it's the raw name that is hashed, so including LF, CR or both would be wrong.) Brian > > poise bill > echo -n area51.research.acp.example.com | sha1sum > 78145a90f86c6a7c7a92605b67a5d9373bde0fae - > > Therefore, since neither my sha256sum result nor my sha1sum result is > the same as the example, and since you have verified that my sha256sum > result is correct (and the draft calls for a sha256sum result), the > result in the example is wrong, and needs to be corrected. > > Bill > > On 06/11/2017 10:57 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> William Atwood wrote: >> > For two different on-line generators, I get the following results: >> >> >> >> > http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator >> > area51.research.acp.example.com >> > 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 >> >> Sometimes the difference is whether or not a CR and/or LF is included in the >> hash. I see that your result is without the line feed. >> >> dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 14553 %echo area51.research.acp.example.com | sha256sum >> 60b1547f399cb8354010e0bd5853f0bcd393590e44efa2cb47c233615e9ce766 - >> dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 14554 %echo -n area51.research.acp.example.com | sha256sum >> 89b714f3db8e41558cfb49d4d763ee7cc5ae53a3ffe8a17039679d06dc9bb0e3 - >> >> >> >> But, the only device that needs to create the ULA prefix is the registrar >> during it's bootstrap, and once created it is to be stored. I would expect >> that if there was an administrator interface that it would ask for some >> domain details, and then pre-populate a "ACP prefix" field with the result, >> but let the admin type in their own. >> > From nobody Mon Nov 6 15:08:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCF813FC94 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:08:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ECRLloWBk-Wl for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x22c.google.com (mail-pf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB67813FB7D for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 15:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id a8so8872437pfc.0 for ; Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:08:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iYTAV9z9vffoARchsWTJsje+Y58TRKy+UExEKDTBr4I=; b=O0+uFzbXfPYjyqTV39IVruzWDL4cfr5U1ixCeqCrNQX0Phg5mjs2j0vCORhJU038xX BWPQ+OYQpqpZ4uJ57iEp1R9pZbf0OAMFb1L5IBjlszKix/W2Y9pHFxLMglxgVNdPS2yk 1gtvQyuh/tlgRrwj1XaF1vj0tLK8RDbiJ/wht2QXjcPuU3HxCQ9BEGKZ2Wc8LMkG2iJ/ r73wACu4BsV/UVNVwgLGCSKXjzL6OFdvRuZGwmkj+fZEIpWSfKeUL9vbhHm11vXIzcYG 4EIqhFkOlUziyWCG7+yylopO4UPXJefMkyehQbtd4cXt5TCOhw/3txeTVYktTv+f9Z9+ GhPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iYTAV9z9vffoARchsWTJsje+Y58TRKy+UExEKDTBr4I=; b=NuBN36BhZVg9zWbsvFEh4cYYOwvdjrTu13EVtGIDfuWI7rURpD8ogrnla6yO507FdB 8Tr3SL426GkyENDK/E9o8jH+pJ5VvpXD/5T19sGgmXJTIUb069Gws6HIeNi8aliaQu1J ccHtYCFTQ+aLo8U78Z2HW9GIbpZJs5ILSrbKpbIp/A3a3PKeRbyNnVehdE+X5z7+Yslg SitWL/NMQPViUy0U2lqLYspJ3OAbOX3TU2g5/gBrUxfeOOKnsJYAsHeF5JxErMxp/0Pp XbtD9HPs0UqlyhwVpjjvUnOs0l7TxTnR+lLKGqlh5+ldDDMBK+dxPku6do2Zr5IsM5lY 47xQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWKQ7Qn/G2nBM7PpdVX/lUxHVGEM+eeOh39jL77KgB8FJJlz9hT W64txAz3ffC6sYpqWELEc4BHCQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RgGoooJkB+19JA6d6uplaF/PZ4cT4N3UnndudFkTtWnePL7qNHc/f93B1v4OtK6tZe6d8tWg== X-Received: by 10.101.66.2 with SMTP id c2mr16596385pgq.403.1510009686559; Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.216.38.15] (ggim001.sfac.auckland.ac.nz. [130.216.38.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u8sm20566140pgp.17.2017.11.06.15.08.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:08:05 -0800 (PST) To: Anima WG References: <150939968366.7857.10812413552277328001@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:08:03 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150939968366.7857.10812413552277328001@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd-00.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 23:08:10 -0000 Hi, I think this draft raises an important topic. In the early days of ANIMA we had quite some discussion about embedding discovery in GRASP rather than simply using DNS-SD. I think we took the right decision, since GRASP objectives are a very flexible concept, only one application being a mapping to a traditional 'service'. But this left open the question of how to link the ANI tools to traditional services when necessary. I think this a necessary next step for ANIMA. I think the general direction is reasonable, but I don't understand DNS-SD enough to be sure if it all works. From a first reading, I have a few questions and comments: > 2.2. Objective Value Reuseable Elements Structure > > Because service discovery, as explained in the prior section, needs > to utilize different objectives, it requires cross-objective > standardized encoding of the elements of services. GRASP did not > define standardized message elements for the message body (called > "objective-value") of GRASP messages. I'd like to insert "intentionally" before "did not define". This was left open so that we can have effectively infinite extensibility of the syntax and semantics of GRASP. Therefore, considering the next sentence: > Therefore, this document introduces such a feature. I'd like it to be clear that it is intended for SRV.* and NAME.* objectives. (If people want to use the "@rfcXXX" construct elsewhere, that's fine, but we need to keep all the existing extensibility.) Also, should we add a convention that private use objectives may use the same feature, e.g. 411:SRV.example ? Some details and nits: s/// > 2.3.3. Name Element > > The NAME, elements is meant to provide basic name resolution s/NAME,/NAME./ > ipv6-address-option = [O_IPv4_ADDRESS, ipv6-address] > ipv4-address-option = [O_IPv6_ADDRESS, ipv6-address] 1) Check your 6's and 4's ;-) 2) It's confusing that these are different from the basic GRASP options: [O_IPv6_LOCATOR, ipv6-address, transport-proto, port-number] [O_IPv4_LOCATOR, ipv4-address, transport-proto, port-number] It costs almost nothing in CBOR to include null values for the protocol and port. If you use the same option format as basic GRASP, it will remove confusion and very likely save code. > 5. IANA Considerations > > This document requests a new "GRASP Objective Value Standard > Elements" table in the GRASP Parameter Registrar. The values in this > table are names and a unique numerical value assigned to each name. > Future values MUST be assigned using the RFC Required policy Do you really want "RFC Required"? We chose "Specification Required" for GRASP objectives in general, which still requires Expert Review but with less imposed bureaucracy. Regards Brian On 31/10/2017 10:41, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : DNS-SD compatible service discovery in GRASP > Author : Toerless Eckert > Filename : draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd-00.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2017-10-30 > > Abstract: > DNS Service Discovery (DNS-SD) defines the common framework for > applications to announce and discover services. This includes > service names, service instance names, common parameters for > selecting a service instance (weight, priority) as well as service > specific parameters. > > GRASP is intended to also be used for service discovery. Reinventing > service discovery for GRASP with a similar set of fetures would > result in duplication of work. Therefore, this document defines how > to use GRASP to announce and discover services in a way that inherits > DNS-SD features and also tries to be compatible in spirit as much as > possibel while still maintaining the intended simplicity of GRASP. > > The goal of this document is to permit defining service and their > parameters once and then use that in GRASP, mDNS and (unicast) DNS. > Future work can also define DNS-SD <-> GRASP gateway functions. > > In support of service discovery, this document also defines name > discovery and schemes for reuseable elements in GRASP objectives > which are designed to be extensible so that future work that > identifies elements required across multiple objectives do not need > to define a scheme how to do this. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-eckert-anima-grasp-dnssd-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > From nobody Mon Nov 6 17:25:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2827413FACD; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 17:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.234 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.234 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9pGFcf19Dufl; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 17:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (honeydukes.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2a01:7e00::3d:b021]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D00813F979; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 17:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:30d5:8195:3888:1436]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 674CA1F8FB; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 01:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 8322D35AA; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 20:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Brian E Carpenter cc: draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org In-reply-to: <6e9d9b4f-b5d9-a87d-c8e5-19a37fb1018b@gmail.com> References: <150939949967.7819.14841653115116238686@ietfa.amsl.com> <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> <9972.1509582061@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <15724.1509629825@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6e9d9b4f-b5d9-a87d-c8e5-19a37fb1018b@gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to Brian E Carpenter message dated "Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:40:37 +1300." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:24:06 -0500 Message-ID: <29241.1510017846@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] M_FLOOD revision in draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 01:25:13 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> one hop only objective-value =3D '' ; none > If you want a null string in CDDL, I think it has to be "". But why n= ot > make it any in the formal syntax, with a RECOMMENDED value of null? > That provides extensibility at zero cost. So I will write any. >> locator =3D [ O_IPv6_LOCATOR, ipv6-address, transport-proto, port-nu= mber >> ] ipv6-address =3D the v6 LL of the proxy transport-proto =3D 'TCP' > That field is supposed to be an integer. And I assume you want to all= ow > UDP too? So in GRASP-CDDL, that would be IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP Right... so I want to write: transport-proto =3D IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP / IPPROTO_IPV6 ?? > I've pushed the code to GitHub. Doc at > https://github.com/becarpenter/graspy/blob/master/brski-demo.pdf Thanks. =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJaAQs2AAoJEJVM4Vb9/EKQG8UH/2T3PEWOcxuMZ3suDPg3rS/7 RrfXwk4sbQrni1BonEqft1yiEVkpASqmufGrW3A+bRXRuQQYNd2IJSxieKaWcR5k RvkD8SEgyTkj9yptarif1K6svowXAfGVZBo/HXG5x+HqBrESrN8x5u0qGocPXF4W tXZaTdVYc0K51XqzucmBm80zE4YPrguUjJlu0MaQP6LDn6El6FHWZ3XJsOc8skY4 hW2vQIRku0tkBkro41vj3NRce7Bx3awGGdb3exYbWeJMklEDxCIf4CZxMU12pDAE AQPASOV0XqyFfLqKpMecA17rGljjxA5Q2mxOCeHvhScmJARiLxaLMHInmm78CHo= =akUT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Nov 6 20:31:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F9313FBC4; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 20:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ea0SH1bl-sh7; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 20:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf0-x22c.google.com (mail-pf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94C9213B126; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 20:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id x7so9431903pfa.1; Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:31:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xDC2SMxlg5/Z+8pcqDjuwLMM3b8Fu2m5Ppc362j93ik=; b=LErnwfwZuLNuostpVMJs5zqG/VvxZvwTYIH71bYcf+ZbgJDgIsYPNOeXGJ1CxT6yoK glXtTEpa8PL1epOIYebzB7R/P+6jUQcHtwrW5Gjgz7Nnfw/D9GAnJUFhHkXNSb/KU1sm ZthbRxYE+2CTGC0kTrZoeiv76Ae9l6ayFsbjzabCHqHwkt29m2va8WvN8wbZXwLz2+pt 3EBUDgPi66jkYQW2b/FotkDEyZ+2aHgBbhESlZaBQUdsWYAJKsRyIAOyew4QnZ7loqcU 6EVkSypbGPvxZaXGdxheQuk+aaAlDbGOQC0rDR57iVpFYwMUXEzkbnwOH0RBLDslvr8z X96w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xDC2SMxlg5/Z+8pcqDjuwLMM3b8Fu2m5Ppc362j93ik=; b=ZIQG83QEq05VqKYN2GBz/yGwaGv+1nNUB0QgJWg8l+CT4Tpa6TUIjOzEOfvOaniaar 5pVp32f9lkkiGiXu69piUqrajWMHJ/X2KheACIrJQwOU9HRPKMWUADCO1MORprs0VQrw aPJg6sG2NMEYHRzhwbQVmvMto23zfhXj0ENbn/rT1bFkR3okJwhaLWJ29XcMsYEkC6Nw rE1+uufJbfki/MoVi5ugSb2iPYSDa9cdC3i+K5wdO9C25lVYSCL0xDwN+F2EC9YP6aLz Ldhv8CJL2csFFEnllpp/eKVMSzPMASuKHI5CJ3rOMs6ourPmUN51LzF1vakDVPhIxLCh u6zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUOIHdRfHDtxBVSt/gmBvq+rS9+daXmc4W5O+ll1TveWvPbHOqR uXbKdbmPkmpvdFJz6i3QgytGeA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+Q8Tx3maW0mO/7ue0R81Jd0dElYjNUDnlAbG8JYiOafB4Tyhp+PHyWiKuskGWAXbuwtzx826g== X-Received: by 10.98.158.6 with SMTP id s6mr19278154pfd.191.1510029111828; Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e001:3d21:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m78sm603480pfj.164.2017.11.06.20.31.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Nov 2017 20:31:50 -0800 (PST) To: Michael Richardson Cc: draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org References: <150939949967.7819.14841653115116238686@ietfa.amsl.com> <101bfb57-cee1-729a-6228-d90fbda2f90b@gmail.com> <9972.1509582061@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <15724.1509629825@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6e9d9b4f-b5d9-a87d-c8e5-19a37fb1018b@gmail.com> <29241.1510017846@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <7b79a008-b4d1-1e90-b7eb-71e39090030a@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:31:49 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <29241.1510017846@dooku.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] M_FLOOD revision in draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 04:31:55 -0000 On 07/11/2017 14:24, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> one hop only objective-value = '' ; none > > > If you want a null string in CDDL, I think it has to be "". But why not > > make it any in the formal syntax, with a RECOMMENDED value of null? > > That provides extensibility at zero cost. > > So I will write any. > > >> locator = [ O_IPv6_LOCATOR, ipv6-address, transport-proto, port-number > >> ] ipv6-address = the v6 LL of the proxy transport-proto = 'TCP' > > > That field is supposed to be an integer. And I assume you want to allow > > UDP too? So in GRASP-CDDL, that would be IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP > > Right... so I want to write: > > transport-proto = IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP / IPPROTO_IPV6 Yes. And note that IPPROTO_IPV6 extends the list in GRASP. I don't think that needs a formal "Updates". (It somewhat sucks that the IETF itself doesn't have a normative list in which IPPROTO_IPV6 is defined as the name for 41, etc. Citing netinet/in.h doesn't really cut it.) Brian > > ?? > > > I've pushed the code to GitHub. 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<1ee78648-92a9-994b-f7cf-0470303b1436@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:35:16 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B9281789790@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Result//WGLC on draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-12 - Respond by October 28th, 2017 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:35:20 -0000 On 13/11/2017 01:30, Sheng Jiang wrote: ...> Up to now, there is one IPR disclosure from Cisco linked to this document, see below link. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2407/ For what it's worth, I have read the IPR disclosure (not the underlying patents) and it seems to me that the conditions are entirely acceptable for a standards track document. Brian From nobody Sun Nov 12 16:16:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C891241F5; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:16:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aa8CvEKIp9yK; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068231201F2; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 6B3C08EB371A7; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Result//WGLC on draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-12 - Respond by October 28th, 2017 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:16:30 -0000 VGhhbmtzIHNvIG11Y2gsIEJyaWFuDQoNClNoZW5nDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0t LS0tDQpGcm9tOiBCcmlhbiBFIENhcnBlbnRlciBbbWFpbHRvOmJyaWFuLmUuY2FycGVudGVyQGdt YWlsLmNvbV0gDQpTZW50OiBNb25kYXksIE5vdmVtYmVyIDEzLCAyMDE3IDc6MzUgQU0NClRvOiBT aGVuZyBKaWFuZyA8amlhbmdzaGVuZ0BodWF3ZWkuY29tPjsgYW5pbWFAaWV0Zi5vcmcNCkNjOiBh bmltYS1jaGFpcnNAaWV0Zi5vcmcNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbQW5pbWFdIFJlc3VsdC8vV0dMQyBv biBkcmFmdC1pZXRmLWFuaW1hLWF1dG9ub21pYy1jb250cm9sLXBsYW5lLTEyIC0gUmVzcG9uZCBi eSBPY3RvYmVyIDI4dGgsIDIwMTcNCg0KT24gMTMvMTEvMjAxNyAwMTozMCwgU2hlbmcgSmlhbmcg d3JvdGU6DQouLi4+IFVwIHRvIG5vdywgdGhlcmUgaXMgb25lIElQUiBkaXNjbG9zdXJlIGZyb20g Q2lzY28gbGlua2VkIHRvIHRoaXMgZG9jdW1lbnQsIHNlZSBiZWxvdyBsaW5rLg0KPiANCj4gaHR0 cHM6Ly9kYXRhdHJhY2tlci5pZXRmLm9yZy9pcHIvMjQwNy8NCg0KRm9yIHdoYXQgaXQncyB3b3J0 aCwgSSBoYXZlIHJlYWQgdGhlIElQUiBkaXNjbG9zdXJlIChub3QgdGhlIHVuZGVybHlpbmcNCnBh dGVudHMpIGFuZCBpdCBzZWVtcyB0byBtZSB0aGF0IHRoZSBjb25kaXRpb25zIGFyZSBlbnRpcmVs eSBhY2NlcHRhYmxlIGZvciBhIHN0YW5kYXJkcyB0cmFjayBkb2N1bWVudC4NCg0KICAgIEJyaWFu DQoNCg== From nobody Sun Nov 12 18:07:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D982C126CB6 for ; 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Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (dhcp-80f0.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.128.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 167D062143 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:07:11 -0500 (EST) To: "anima@ietf.org" From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <204f9d46-c6bf-98b4-3baf-0549219a4da1@htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 10:07:05 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Quick comment of draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:07:23 -0000 In the certificate displays, the subjectAltName (SAN) content is not expanded, you show: X509v3 Subject Alternative Name: othername: You can expand this with the 'right' openssl command. First: openssl asn1parse -i -in cert.pem Find the offset for SAN content. Say it is 189. Then: openssl asn1parse -i -strparse 189 -in cert.pem This will provide you an expansion of the actual SAN content for including in the draft. Partly, I want to see what OID you are using in SAN. Per RFC4108, referenced in IEEE 802.1AR: id-on-hardwareModuleName OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { iso(1) identified-organization(3) dod(6) internet(1) security(5) mechanisms(5) pkix(7) on(8) 4 } HardwareModuleName ::= SEQUENCE { hwType OBJECT IDENTIFIER, hwSerialNum OCTET STRING } I don't think I have my draft, quite right yet, but what I have seen of your certs, I also don't think you have yours right either. Of course what is right? Max, please chime in. Bob From nobody Sun Nov 12 18:41:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietf.org Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03B31271DF; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:41:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: draft-ietf-anima-stable-connectivity@ietf.org, anima-chairs@ietf.org, Sheng Jiang , terry.manderson@icann.org, anima@ietf.org, jiangsheng@huawei.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151054089294.21342.840946462791126143.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:41:32 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Last Call: (Using Autonomic Control Plane for Stable Connectivity of Network OAM) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:41:41 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach WG (anima) to consider the following document: - 'Using Autonomic Control Plane for Stable Connectivity of Network OAM' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-11-26. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract OAM (Operations, Administration and Maintenance - as per BCP161, (RFC6291) processes for data networks are often subject to the problem of circular dependencies when relying on connectivity provided by the network to be managed for the OAM purposes. Provisioning while bringing up devices and networks tends to be more difficult to automate than service provisioning later on, changes in core network functions impacting reachability cannot be automated because of ongoing connectivity requirements for the OAM equipment itself, and widely used OAM protocols are not secure enough to be carried across the network without security concerns. This document describes how to integrate OAM processes with the autonomic control plane (ACP) in Autonomic Networks (AN) in order to provide stable and secure connectivity for those OAM processes. This connectivity is not subject to aforementioned circular dependencies. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-stable-connectivity/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-anima-stable-connectivity/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Mon Nov 13 14:13:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69E1126B7F; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=augustcellars.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D3a40RCpAgco; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22104126557; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:13:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05BE_01D35D0F.AD385880" Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=augustcellars.com; s=winery; c=simple/simple; t=1510611202; h=from:subject:to:date:message-id; bh=+i/UBsKWEM3m+kd0ouLBlKTvSegpFWbYrMJguKxODz0=; b=aW+GykXIZ06eE1u13vGkpeIyERbaVqFDrnaWQ9/pz6iCq5yFt5EKG7f0HN0yNb1UL14BEXSFJ3+ zrZS4wRj1o4FJ16wheoAqpd5KF2sXaNM5JmT76FHVvmrh2EYY5TTkAXoS6wLKwl09xICKJoQx7JIa bL6R8l+x93c9RL9O0Rk5Lrk+z5EJnUNcsh0l/iMRH/73IOYXB3sEHugrlCDw53Ca/ZC1x/ShGmtEO mLPuS3uBVTRKBubs7ROG29pGDzIvGroigjqoA5McNIzyDkSktV4E9lN4lVP6B5q5/Ci9IVpJ1+sBy 9Gmamkfn278eHG3Sr/N3fvmWBeAPbik/iogQ== Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.201) by mail4.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:13:22 -0800 Received: from Jude (101.127.234.130) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:12:17 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: CC: , Housley Russ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 06:13:18 +0800 Message-ID: <05bd01d35ccc$9f13b8f0$dd3b2ad0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdNcy3jAsG0uQpCURLS1EDBTWSZJqQ== X-Originating-IP: [101.127.234.130] Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Common on draft-ietf-anima-voucher-06 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:13:33 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_05BE_01D35D0F.AD385880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This document came to my attention in my role as an expert reviewer on the S/MIME content types registry. As it my normal procedure I read through the document for anything that jumped out and I found one issue that I wanted to highlight. In section 5.4 there is a note about encoding this content type with PKCS7 vs CMS. The problem is that this content cannot be encoded in PCKS#7 because it does not define an ASN.1 structure for the content. There is no correct way to encode a PKCS#7 message unless the content is an ASN.1 structure. For id-data this was done by defining it as OCTET STRING. In addition, even if one assigns the content type of OCTET STRING to this content type when signing using PKCS #7 and no ASN.1 type for CMS (which is what happens for id-data), the result is that there is absolutely no difference between the resulting object if you encode by PKCS #7 or CMS. This paragraph should be removed and it should talk about something else instead. Jim ------=_NextPart_000_05BE_01D35D0F.AD385880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This document came to my attention in my role as an = expert reviewer on the S/MIME content types registry.  As it my = normal procedure I read through the document for anything that jumped = out and I found one issue that I wanted to highlight.

 

 

In section = 5.4 there is a note about encoding this content type with PKCS7 vs = CMS.  The problem is that this content cannot be encoded in PCKS#7 = because it does not define an ASN.1 structure for the content.  = There is no correct way to encode a PKCS#7 message unless the content is = an ASN.1 structure.  For id-data this was done by defining it as = OCTET STRING.

 

In addition, even if one assigns the content type of = OCTET STRING to this content type when signing using PKCS #7 and no = ASN.1 type for CMS (which is what happens for id-data), the result is = that there is absolutely no difference between the resulting object if = you encode by PKCS #7 or CMS.

 

This = paragraph should be removed and it should talk about something else = instead. 

 

Jim

 

------=_NextPart_000_05BE_01D35D0F.AD385880-- From nobody Mon Nov 13 18:14:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D1C129AEA; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:14:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JsUqZuyc6pqh; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81819129ADF; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE6020008; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4299180CFA; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:14:19 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Jim Schaad cc: draft-ietf-anima-voucher@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org, Housley Russ In-Reply-To: <05bd01d35ccc$9f13b8f0$dd3b2ad0$@augustcellars.com> References: <05bd01d35ccc$9f13b8f0$dd3b2ad0$@augustcellars.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7-RC3; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Common on draft-ietf-anima-voucher-06 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:14:22 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Jim Schaad wrote: > In addition, even if one assigns the content type of OCTET STRING to > this content type when signing using PKCS #7 and no ASN.1 type for CMS > (which is what happens for id-data), the result is that there is > absolutely no difference between the resulting object if you encode by > PKCS #7 or CMS. Huh. well, there is cmsVersion=1 vs cmsVersion=3, but it's true that there are some steps in between. We were further advised that we needed to leave RFC2315 behind in order to be technically able to use newer algorithms. As one advances through the documents it seemed that we would be better off with the latest specification. Yet, we have push back from some quarters that have RFC2315 (cmsVersion=1) libraries that they want to use. > This paragraph should be removed and it should talk about something > else instead. Which paragram exactly? Do you mean: } Note that Section 5.1 of [RFC5652] includes a discussion about how to } validate a CMS object which is really a PKCS7 object (cmsVersion=1). } Intermediate systems (such the BRSKI Registrar) which might need to } evaluate the voucher in flight MUST be prepared for such an older } format. No signaling is necessary, as the Manufacturer knows the } capabilities of the pledge, and will use an appropriate format } voucher for each pledge. in general, we include CMS format as an exemplar; many of want to move on to JOSE and COSE signed artifacts... 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X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 18:07:21 -0000 {so, please I'm including anima@ietf.org, because I hate CC lists, and I'm outing the conversation without prior permission. Any minutes from today's side meeting yet?} Yoav Nir wrote: > Thanks, Toerless. This is interesting. > One of the operational issues is that you might configure the > certificates to live for 4 days, and renew after 2 days. If the CA > fails at the start of the weekend, some certificates will expire by > Monday and part of the system will stop working. That is unavoidable, > but a second issue is that when the administrator gets to work on > Monday and reboots the CA there are still a bunch of certificates that > have to be re-issued manually. That's an unfortunate scenario; given that 2-day weekends are common, it seems like 4+2 is a dumb set of parameters and 5+2 would be better, even 7+2 might be better. > Doing something like ANIMA is doing with vouchers solves the second > issue, so the system can come back online as soon as the CA is back u= p. Which kind of voucher? Generally, when we have clocks, we are suggesting things like 20 minute validities. When we don't have clocks, then we use nonces for freshness. (But, we permit nonce-less vouchers that last for years for offline scenaries) I don't see how a long-lived voucher is better than a long-lived certificat= e. So I don't think voucher's help with recovery from your described CA outage. I am keen that an ANIMA network would operate nicely with STAR, and that the ACP is a really good platform on which to do the continuous renewal without having to open up the domain's Registrar to DDoS. > We=E2=80=99re trying to keep the STAR considerations draft protocol-a= gnostic, > so it=E2=80=99s not specific to EST, ACME, or any of the proprietary = protocols > that are deployed, but it looks like a good generic idea to allow > certificates to be renewed even if they=E2=80=99re expired. > So yes, text is welcome and I=E2=80=99ll bring this up at the side me= eting on > Thursday. ... >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:45:18AM +0800, Yoav Nir wrote: >>> Hi, all >>> >>> In recent years there???s been growing interest in short-term >>> automatically-renewed (STAR) certificates. The idea is to renew >>> certificates often and forego revocation checking. >>> >>> ACME has a draft for such certificate, and STIR has a candidate amo= ng >>> others. >>> >>> STAR certificates have somewhat different operational and security >>> properties compared to regular PKI. I???ve tried to document some = of >>> them in a draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nir-saag-star-00 >>> This draft is in a very initial state, and I???m looking for input >>> about this. >>> >>> I???ve reserved the Hullet room on Thursday at 18:00. Anyone who??= ?s >>> interested is invited. >>> >>> Hope to see you there >>> >>> Yoav >>> >>> _______________________________________________ 100attendees mailing >>> list 100attendees@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ From nobody Thu Nov 16 23:18:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12721128D0F for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:18:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07WsIlWHAHbw for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bgl-iport-2.cisco.com (bgl-iport-2.cisco.com [72.163.197.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B62E2127B73 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:18:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4151; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1510903089; x=1512112689; h=to:cc:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=N32Cov2AdbRVdAmRlBL7jkeAjCeSViEEbrJf5fAze8I=; b=C/cyPsCrNN5ctgt8g1ORHkzvObbxt/9Yong6P81IiVnimwq8M9aq5QRa 50HKitUjbyL1LYwt9zt45TCL3i9k8UAcC5JcTA9HBZwBkQRDuLWxgl2Qi zZ1cPR0Xa9ZKIV0NL3GWk9hEj1KeHeI2bR5u7RdRBBhA8UeDXnRFBBTz7 k=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.44,407,1505779200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="79383772" Received: from vla196-nat.cisco.com (HELO bgl-core-2.cisco.com) ([72.163.197.24]) by bgl-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 17 Nov 2017 07:18:05 +0000 Received: from [10.75.233.228] (hkidc-vpn-client-233-228.cisco.com [10.75.233.228]) by bgl-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vAH7I4gv027142; Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:18:04 GMT To: "anima@ietf.org" Cc: Terry Manderson , Benoit Claise From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <0529a19a-bff9-1791-262d-35034853c121@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:18:04 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C8498BCF50C57CAA03C9B9F3" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] ANIMA responsible AD change X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:18:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C8498BCF50C57CAA03C9B9F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ANIMA WG, For the past several years, while YANG has been a primary focus for the Operations and Management Area and ANIMA's initial focus was towards the standardization of GRASP (in RFC Editor Queue) as an 'on the wire' protocol, the oversight for ANIMA has been performed by an Area Director from the Internet (INT) Area. Thanks Terry. Now that both YANG work is well on its wayand the majority of the ANIMA 'on the wire' standardization work has been completed, the INT Area oversight is now superfluous and ANIMA will once again have a OPS AD, with its growing focus on operations of an autonomic functions. Like all important work in the IETF this transition between ADs deserves to be handled thoughtfully. Officially, the change of responsible AD to Benoit will be effective immediately. So there is continuity during handover Terry, the current responsible AD, will remain engaged until IETF 101 and will handle any documents under consideration by the IESG up until then. Kind Regards, Terry and Benoit --------------C8498BCF50C57CAA03C9B9F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear ANIMA WG,

For the past several years, while YANG has been a primary focus for the Operations and Management Area and ANIMA's initial focus was towards the standardization of GRASP (in RFC Editor Queue) as an 'on the wire' protocol, the oversight for ANIMA has been performed by an Area Director from the Internet (INT) Area. Thanks Terry.

Now that both YANG work is well on its way and the majority of the ANIMA 'on the wire' standardization work has been completed, the INT Area oversight is now superfluous and ANIMA will once again have a OPS AD, with its growing focus on operations of an autonomic functions. Like all important work in the IETF this transition between ADs deserves to be handled thoughtfully.

Officially, the change of responsible AD to Benoit will be effective immediately. So there is continuity during handover Terry, the current responsible AD, will remain engaged until IETF 101 and will handle any documents under consideration by the IESG up until then.

Kind Regards,

Terry and Benoit
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Hi Behringer,

When I read the section 6.10.= 5 ACP Vlong Addressing Sub-Scheme=A3=ACI was confused about the following content:

       &nb= sp;     50       &nb= sp;            =           78=

   +---------------------+&= #43;-----------------------------+----------+

   |    (base scheme= )      ||       = ;    Node-ID        =              &n= bsp;       |

   |     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        || Registrar-ID |   = Node-Number|          V |=

   +---------------------++--------------+-------= -------+----------+

          =             &nb= sp;             = ;  46          =    33/17          8/= 16

 

     &= nbsp;           Figure 6:= ACP Vlong Addressing Sub-Scheme

=A1=AD

o  Registrar-ID: To maximize Node-Number= and V, the Registrar-ID is

      reduced to 46 bits.  This s= till allows to use the MAC address of a

      registrar by r= emoving the V and U bits from the 48 bits of a MAC

      address (those= two bits are never unique, so they cannot be used

      to distinguish MAC addresses).

o  If the first bit of the "Node-Nu= mber" is "1", then the Node-Number

      is 17 bit long and the V= field is 16 bit long.  Ot= herwise the

      Node-Number is 33 bit long and the V= field is 8 bit long.  &qu= ot;0" bit

      Node-Numbers a= re intended to be used for "general purpose" ACP

      nodes that wou= ld potentially have a limited number (< 256) of

      clients (ASA/A= utonomic Functions or legacy services) nof the ACP

      that require s= eparate V(irtual) addresses.  "1" bit Node-Numbers

      are intended f= or ACP nodes that are ACP edge nodes (see

 

      Section 8.1.1)= or that have a large number of clients requiring

      separate V(irt= ual) addresses.  For example large SDN controllers

      = with container modular software architecture (see Section 8.1.2).

 

According the above content, Node-ID(78bits) is composed of Registrar-ID, Node-Number and V fields. But:

(1) When the first bit of Node-Number is 1, 17<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">(Node-Number) = + 16<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">(V) + 46(R= egistrar-ID) =3D 33<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4"> + 46 =3D 79<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">

(2) When the first bit of Node-Number is 0, 33<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">(Node-Number) = + 8(V) + 46(Re= gistrar-ID) =3D 41<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4"> + 46 =3D 97<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">

 

So the result confused me!

Please check the above section again when you pleasure.

 

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Sorry, = there is a mistake:

(2) When the first bit of Node-Number is 0, 33<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">(Node-Number) = + 8(V) + 46(Re= gistrar-ID) =3D 41<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4"> + 46 =3D 87<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Anima] A question about draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-12=

 

Hi Behringer,

When I read the section 6.10.= 5 ACP Vlong Addressing Sub-Scheme=A3=ACI was confused about the following content:

       &nb= sp;     50       &nb= sp;            =           78=

   +---------------------+&= #43;-----------------------------+----------+

   |    (base scheme= )      ||       = ;    Node-ID        =              &n= bsp;       |

   |     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        || Registrar-ID |   = Node-Number|          V |=

   +---------------------+&= #43;--------------+--------------+----------+=

       &nb= sp;            =              &n= bsp;    46       &nb= sp;     33/17       =    8/16

 

     &= nbsp;           Figure 6:= ACP Vlong Addressing Sub-Scheme

=A1=AD

o  Registrar-ID: To maximize Node-Number= and V, the Registrar-ID is

      reduced to 46 bits.  This s= till allows to use the MAC address of a

      registrar by r= emoving the V and U bits from the 48 bits of a MAC

      address (those= two bits are never unique, so they cannot be used

      to distinguish= MAC addresses).

o  If the first bit of the "Node-Nu= mber" is "1", then the Node-Number

      is 17 bit long and the V= field is 16 bit long.  Ot= herwise the

      Node-Number is 33 bit long and the V= field is 8 bit long.  &qu= ot;0" bit

      Node-Numbers a= re intended to be used for "general purpose" ACP

      nodes that wou= ld potentially have a limited number (< 256) of

      clients (ASA/A= utonomic Functions or legacy services) nof the ACP

      that require s= eparate V(irtual) addresses.  "1" bit Node-Numbers

      are intended f= or ACP nodes that are ACP edge nodes (see

 

      Section 8.1.1)= or that have a large number of clients requiring

      separate V(irt= ual) addresses.  For example large SDN controllers

      = with container modular software architecture (see Section 8.1.2).

 

According the above content, Node-ID(78bits) is composed of Registrar-ID, Node-Number and V fields. But:

(1) When the first bit of Node-Number is 1, 17<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">(Node-Number) = + 16<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">(V) + 46(R= egistrar-ID) =3D 33<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4"> + 46 =3D 79<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">

(2) When the first bit of Node-Number is 0, 33<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">(Node-Number) = + 8(V) + 46(Re= gistrar-ID) =3D 41<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4"> + 46 =3D 97<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#548DD4">

 

So the result confused me!

Please check the above section again when you pleasure.

 

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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Sun Nov 26 12:48:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietf.org Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A455E127735; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthew Miller To: Cc: ietf@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org, draft-ietf-anima-stable-connectivity.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151172929363.16112.9800241520992164052@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:13 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-anima-stable-connectivity-07 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:48:14 -0000 Reviewer: Matthew Miller Review result: Ready with Nits I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-anima-stable-connectivity-07 Reviewer: Matthew A. Miller Review Date: 2017-11-26 IETF LC End Date: 2017-11-26 IESG Telechat date: N/A Summary: This document is ready to be published as informational, but there are a number of nits that ought be addressed before final publication. Overall, the document is Major issues: NONE Minor issues: NONE Nits/editorial comments: * Throughout, there is a mix of the term "data plane" and "data-plane". One form should be chosen and the rest corrected to match. * In Section 1.2. "Data Communications Networks (DCNs)", first paragraph; "'th" should be "'s" (or just "s"): "In the late 1990'th and ..." should be "In the late 1990s and ...". * In Section 1.2. "Data Communications Networks (DCNs)", first paragraph; the word "where" should be "were" in the fragment "These where (and still are) ...". * In Section 1.2. "Data Communications Networks (DCNs)", first paragraph; there is a missing "a" between "are" and "separate" in the fragment "they are separate network entirely". * In Section 2.1.1. "Simple Connectivity for Non-ACP capable NMS Hosts", first paragraph; there is a mismatch in plurality in the third sentence; instead of: """ They acts as the default router to those NMS hosts and provide them with IPv6 connectivity into the ACP. """ it should be: """ They act as the default routers to those NMS hosts and provide them with IPv6 connectivity into the ACP. """ * In Section 2.1.3. "Simultaneous ACP and Data Plane Connectivity", last paragraph; the following sentence seems to be missing a word or two: """ If the secure ACP was extendable via untrusted routers then it would be a lot more verify the secure domain assertion. """ * In Section 2.1.4. "IPv4-only NMS Hosts", second paragraph after the ordered list; the word "thought" should be "through" in the fragment "... be reachable thought the IPv6/IPv4 ...". * In Section 2.1.5. "Path Selection Policies", fourth paragraph from the section's end; there is an extra "of" between "shaping" and "at": """ Traffic policing and/or shaping of at the ACP edge in the NOC can be used to throttle applications such as software download into the ACP. """ * In Section 2.2. "Stable Connectivity for Distributed Network/OAM", second paragraph; there is a missing "to" between "start" and "provide" in the fragment "... tried to start provide common ...". * In Section 2.2. "Stable Connectivity for Distributed Network/OAM", second paragraph; the word "applicable" should be "applied" in the fragment "... how ell it applicable to a ...". * In Section 3.1. "No IPv4 for ACP", third paragraph; the word "as" should be "to" in the fragment "... from a native transport as just a service on the edge." * In Section 3.1. "No IPv4 for ACP", last paragraph; the word "type" should be "types" in the fragment "In other type of networks as well, ...". * In Section 3.1. "No IPv4 for ACP", last paragraph; the word "support" should be "supported" in the fragment "... family will be support so all use...". 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Adoption" X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:34:07 -0000 The ANIMA WG has placed draft-liu-anima-grasp-api in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Sheng Jiang) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-anima-grasp-api/ Comment: Adoption call ends December 12th，2017 From nobody Wed Nov 29 10:56:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA3C126C22 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:56:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PL6MveZ9geAW for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E1A12420B for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@poise.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.209]) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id vATIuOMq013646 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:56:24 -0500 To: anima@ietf.org References: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B92817B499B@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: William Atwood Organization: Concordia University, Montreal Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:56:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B92817B499B@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2017-11-29 13:56:24 EST Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Adoption call for draft-liu-anima-grasp-api-06, ends Dec. 12, 2017 X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:56:29 -0000 I support the adoption of this document. Bill On 29/11/2017 6:35 AM, Sheng Jiang wrote: > During the IETF100, there was a consensus that draft-liu-anima-grasp-api > is fully consistent with the current ANIMA charter, under the condition > it intends to be an Informational document. After the meeting, the > authors have updated the document. The current intended status is > Informational. There was an adoption call on this document as a ANIMA > working group document in the ANIMA session, IETF100. There were > supports and no objection as far as chairs heard. As an official > procedure, we now confirm the adoption in the ANIMA mailing list. This > message starts a two-week adoption call on draft-liu-anima-grasp-api. > >   > >   Title:      Generic Autonomic Signaling Protocol Application Program > Interface (GRASP API) > >   Authors :   Liu, et al. > >   Filename:   draft-liu-anima-grasp-api > >   https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-anima-grasp-api-06 > >   > > Please express your support or rejection. If you think this document > should _not_ be adopted, please also explicitly indicate the reasons. > >   > > This adoption call will end on December 12, 2017. > >   > > Regards, > >   > > Sheng + Toerless > >   > > > > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima > -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8