From nobody Wed Apr 3 05:29:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC401201CA; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1AFOgNaTH6Rz; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 05:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 773FE1201B3; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 05:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:56b2:3ff:fe0b:d84]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C777538274; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 08:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id C47941276; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 08:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FCE125B; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 08:29:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: anima@ietf.org, Russ Housley cc: rats@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] BRSKI -- examples of IDevID with HardwareModuleName X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 12:29:38 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain BRSKI provides a algorithm to determine which attribute will be the serial-number of the pledge, text attached below. I am looking for examples of an IDevID that has: 1) a HardwareModuleName rather than a subject DN serialNumber. 2) a HardwareModuleName *as well* as a subject DN serialNumber. I can probably create them, but I would rather use something produced by a genuine TPM. (Alternatively, maybe someone can recommend a USB interfaced TPM module that would let me completely own what it does) I'd like to include the result in an appendix, as well as use it as test cases in my code. 2.3.1. Identification of the Pledge In the context of BRSKI, pledges are uniquely identified by a "serial-number". This serial-number is used both in the "serial- number" field of voucher or voucher-requests (see Section 3) and in local policies on registrar or MASA (see Section 5). The following fields are defined in [IDevID] and [RFC5280]: o The subject field's DN encoding MUST include the "serialNumber" attribute with the device's unique serial number. (from [IDevID] section 7.2.8, and [RFC5280] section 4.1.2.4's list of standard attributes) o The subject-alt field's encoding MAY include a non-critical version of the RFC4108 defined HardwareModuleName. (from [IDevID] section 7.2.9) If the IDevID is stored in a Trusted Platform Module (TPM), then this field MAY contain the TPM identification rather than the device's serial number. If both fields are present, then the subject field takes precedence. and they are used as follows by the pledge to build the "serial- number" that is placed in the voucher-request. In order to build it, the fields need to be converted into a serial-number of "type string". The following methods are used depending on the first available IDevID certificate field (attempted in this order): -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlykpywACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVVDAf/diRknPIbmOCT1ixFTb5I9YOhS/sJyaLjR8PEvMXHWSFnDVP5KtgqIJMm uWaQyrDcXlNDCkizRGFYiCbXito9hypAZbERLtsZNG6T1nAu6nRps7jf6Kqglp/r QSowByjN4yTsYgQc2bRAVCyK40u1abCTANHjXwuy95+YdCtArVfbcUDuWwZHr/6T 2b0wMQGnDCwuRmgjxrvGz6bMDnjgK6qOJLAm8m8WH+8n2pl7E5fK8j9tzp86btAG 5aF34QES+74FJBOOb9Y3NeX2KSGm+cvvdER4B2ZLioGmZuAIOfNw9C4VFz7hYiNL DmZPsdpB242Y7XoHjEqOqbN3C7K+JA== =qAMf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Apr 5 06:27:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B3F12042C for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 06:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AxzSV_k2Kzro for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05FC2120426 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 06:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0532548918 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:27:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id DD859440036; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:27:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:27:12 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: anima@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] ANIMA: re-charter last call (until 4/19/2019) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 13:27:22 -0000 Dear ANIMA WG We are hereby starting a last call on the revisted charter for the ANIMA WG. Please read current proposed 2.0.6 charter and raise any remaining issues on this thread. On 4/19/2019 we will pass the final charter to Ignas, our AD to be approved by IESG. Charter is at: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/anima/wiki/Recharter2019 Thanks Toerless & Sheng From nobody Fri Apr 5 08:31:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43B8120480 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 08:31:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.534 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.534 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NkdJxVo1LLKL for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 08:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F12120487 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 08:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@grace.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.217] port 31378) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id x35FVJBd015560 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 11:31:20 -0400 To: anima@ietf.org References: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: William Atwood Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Organization: Concordia University, Montreal Message-ID: <85699cc8-9a2f-4519-a8f5-dee7b74c3af3@concordia.ca> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 11:31:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2019-04-05 11:31:20 EDT Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] ANIMA: re-charter last call (until 4/19/2019) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 15:31:25 -0000 Toerless and Sheng, Here are some editorial suggestions for the draft charter. Bill Para 5. I believe that the sentence is trying to express two areas of work: generic aspects of ASA and lifecycle management. To make this clear, please add a comma after "guidelines". Para 9, bullets 1, 2, 3, and 4. "etc." is an abbreviation for "et cetera", which means "and others; and so forth; and so on". As a result, writing "and etc." would mean "and and others". Please remove the "and" in these four bullets. Bullet 1. I understand what a "virtualization environment" is. Could you explain what a "compounding environment" is? Bullet 1. Since "e.g. YANG models" is (presumably) part of the point about OAMP, I suggest the following change: "Provisioning), e.g. YANG models," -> "Provisioning) (e.g. YANG models)," (This makes the part about YANG subordinate to OAMP.) Bullet 2. "regarding to generic" -> "regarding generic" Bullet 2. "implementer" -> "implementation" Bullet 4. "Autonomic Network" -> "Autonomic Networks" (add "s") Bullet 4. "management,autonomic SLA" -> "management, autonomic SLA" (Add space after comma.) Para 10, line 1. "the the" -> "the" (Delete extra "the".) On 05/04/2019 9:27 a.m., Toerless Eckert wrote: > Dear ANIMA WG > > We are hereby starting a last call on the revisted charter for the ANIMA WG. > > Please read current proposed 2.0.6 charter and raise any remaining issues > on this thread. On 4/19/2019 we will pass the final charter to Ignas, > our AD to be approved by IESG. > > Charter is at: > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/anima/wiki/Recharter2019 > > Thanks > Toerless & Sheng > > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima > -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 From nobody Fri Apr 5 15:04:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D96120641 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y3CcE85rNvPu for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26068120628 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:56b2:3ff:fe0b:d84]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE5838277; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id D43345E8; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19F82E5; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Toerless Eckert cc: anima@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] ANIMA: re-charter last call (until 4/19/2019) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 22:04:39 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Toerless Eckert wrote: > We are hereby starting a last call on the revisted charter for the > ANIMA WG. > Please read current proposed 2.0.6 charter and raise any remaining > issues on this thread. On 4/19/2019 we will pass the final charter to > Ignas, our AD to be approved by IESG. > Charter is at: > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/anima/wiki/Recharter2019 I've been through the charter a few times before. The edits from William are worthwhile. >The ANI is specified through prior ANIMA work. It is composed of the >Autonomic Control Plane (ACP), Bootstrap over Secure Key Infrastructures >(BRSKI) including Vouchers, and the Generic Autonomic Signaling Protocol >(GRASP). ANIMA will work on closing gaps and extended ANI and its >components. I suggest references to the work itself: >The ANI is specified through prior ANIMA work. It is composed of the >Autonomic Control Plane (ACP: RFC 8368), Bootstrap over Secure Key Infrastructures >(BRSKI) including Vouchers (RFC8366), and the Generic Autonomic Signaling Protocol >(GRASP). ANIMA will work on closing gaps and extended ANI and its >components. Other than that, I'm very happy with the charter. I put those edits into the wiki, and I also fixed a few spelling mistakes. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlyn0OUACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWdUAf8DWSE8VKnU5YK06TK4R+8f8g8ABvMSrzzl06WmW2sN7ynu+MogV/HAmid A4pzPMgkHmbf5x5V3nequQo//r/7hQ05ULokvabnny0RPvT+0Su+Dz2gtof1Wk6b /0ohHwkNT3oX21Gz1EW/weSlBI28VWGEUYz8qHhngSCrz4FmOUL56AuBTeHik2Kf ymUYC16T3V7USbUW0yWqSGTb/Bk/ZlnOlzx1KCMINObpzJzhXxD2lHPfJKnX4htp DvIGn7E9N1az13vCp0HJDueYj9ILM+SMIeHwGL1A0BBychHVmuABdH8VeGfui9rl 9MddceolptnURy8NI6GM2ImxREzJcQ== =9IpP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sun Apr 7 07:36:12 2019 Return-Path: <01000169f83a5263-abde267d-a52f-4191-9d01-1e5dc9967144-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC77120106 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 07:36:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEiQJJvWYISx for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 07:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-64.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-64.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 507591200EA for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 07:36:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1554647765; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=7C5nK0wuuyM23MgahoJxac+q1fnjy2N3h8ErR7emnWk=; b=O16IG9/Xvx9WIkq4qNyOJomg7bBmF7GYki+TprFw/vceDZVrefQLKr+UTOmpKWE3 NGiXFPePs90n62DgsvhcvgOwnPKEBjCXVnrgS4s2jqYSLIPQktHFgtbsrOciJp10gvd dW5I+YHbU/eZWcrX2NKkbDPVRGfkadoVFEiE9v4w= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <01000169f83a5263-abde267d-a52f-4191-9d01-1e5dc9967144-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_47CCC94F-8BAA-4D77-A30F-AD69E05FE254" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 14:36:05 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Cc: anima@ietf.org To: Toerless Eckert References: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.04.07-54.240.8.64 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] ANIMA: re-charter last call (until 4/19/2019) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 14:36:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_47CCC94F-8BAA-4D77-A30F-AD69E05FE254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to see an additional item added for the consideration of using = the bootstrapping mechanism defined in draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch for = ANIMA. I would be willing to work on a document that defined the appropriate = binding. Thanks, Kent > On Apr 5, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > Dear ANIMA WG >=20 > We are hereby starting a last call on the revisted charter for the = ANIMA WG. >=20 > Please read current proposed 2.0.6 charter and raise any remaining = issues=20 > on this thread. On 4/19/2019 we will pass the final charter to Ignas, > our AD to be approved by IESG. >=20 > Charter is at: >=20 > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/anima/wiki/Recharter2019 >=20 > Thanks > Toerless & Sheng >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima --Apple-Mail=_47CCC94F-8BAA-4D77-A30F-AD69E05FE254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'd like to see an additional = item added for the consideration of using the bootstrapping mechanism = defined in draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch for ANIMA.

I= would be willing to work on a document that defined the appropriate = binding.

Thanks,
Kent



On Apr 5, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Toerless Eckert = <tte@cs.fau.de> = wrote:

Dear ANIMA WG

We are hereby = starting a last call on the revisted charter for the ANIMA WG.

Please read current proposed 2.0.6 charter and = raise any remaining issues
on this thread. On 4/19/2019 = we will pass the final charter to Ignas,
our AD to be = approved by IESG.

Charter is at:

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/anima/wiki/Recharter2019

Thanks
=    Toerless & Sheng

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= --Apple-Mail=_47CCC94F-8BAA-4D77-A30F-AD69E05FE254-- From nobody Sun Apr 7 10:26:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E53120333 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p2emPpR7UVOA for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 10:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86CFC120334 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 10:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:56b2:3ff:fe0b:d84]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E99238277; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 13:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 7C6BBB56; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F98B3D; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Kent Watsen cc: Toerless Eckert , anima@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <01000169f83a5263-abde267d-a52f-4191-9d01-1e5dc9967144-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <01000169f83a5263-abde267d-a52f-4191-9d01-1e5dc9967144-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] ANIMA: re-charter last call (until 4/19/2019) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 17:26:43 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Kent Watsen wrote: > I'd like to see an additional item added for the consideration of using > the bootstrapping mechanism defined in draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch for > ANIMA. I think that would be useful to define how it would work. In particular, being able to better define the voucher on USB stick mechanism, but I think that the call-home mechanisms with redirect would also be useful for many devices. > I would be willing to work on a document that defined the appropriate > binding. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlyqMs8ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXgoAgAmm2rrvLr8P+a4xjVMxUihOwX1UD1/tQIuYqUMmzCfd9hShsFIL4iS5Df L5TizObT6UES7/iVlq4xIAIAfweRXWt7tvYVidumNnHB6t4uH8FqMN2Gjn73UisV TUxU5sGWjwgGlSO2UbCx8pQJhJMukOcjEFchTv9g70GDwp+t437f54zGDLo240ZM KGQ0BJoH0NmdOaGHfyOUfzM+EMvm2xNYR1SSYLl7pK5FOWPfsO4HQfSAIS77rL0E cM1pDljIJWZS2E4K4X2Q2lDhYQ7O+mXuOmgAfv/GrJrKg4MWEukoz8LwGklTwtuA voEtnEgzRdhvIz3ycqxN+EtVarjh2A== =5JTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sun Apr 7 13:20:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11AA120112 for ; 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Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([118.148.72.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w3sm65311344pfn.179.2019.04.07.13.20.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Richardson , Kent Watsen Cc: Toerless Eckert , anima@ietf.org References: <20190405132712.uggih2euqpb5nhtd@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <01000169f83a5263-abde267d-a52f-4191-9d01-1e5dc9967144-000000@email.amazonses.com> <1415.1554657999@localhost> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 08:20:01 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1415.1554657999@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] ANIMA: re-charter last call (until 4/19/2019) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:20:07 -0000 On 08-Apr-19 05:26, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Kent Watsen wrote: > > I'd like to see an additional item added for the consideration of using > > the bootstrapping mechanism defined in draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch for > > ANIMA. > > I think that would be useful to define how it would work. > In particular, being able to better define the voucher on USB stick > mechanism, but I think that the call-home mechanisms with redirect would > also be useful for many devices. > > > I would be willing to work on a document that defined the appropriate > > binding. It's clearly in scope ("Works extending ANI, including variation of ANI deployment..."), but without a draft I'm not sure we should put it in the initial milestones. It's also clearly worth a discussion of how it would affect ACP formation and whether it would assist with Layer 2 ACP formation. Brian From nobody Sun Apr 7 13:46:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E2112008D for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 13:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Pi1ngKp_Elg for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x42b.google.com (mail-pf1-x42b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA59312007C for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x42b.google.com with SMTP id e24so6344917pfi.12 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:organization:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MMLyD8jPCMFsSUfNbV63UI8SRVeoNcESzZq1/YcDd6Y=; b=G8dgsAXF+MPWDlFM+SPm4oXULkmi7dtVOuyPoTAXDAxy0Io6r5MjlPJI3GqDUf5LCu n0yvCVZqPm0pcu/3SSa4FirzOFHWxb/liORbX3hrRhV0d4lwzznAb/dlRfoDcjH9UYLG 45ecpevEn7YID1vGV2OGZl2yPt2Nx/m2oPVuX87dJZFyZXCbZIGg655n5VlLIScs3GeU HJQlvFPqBS1ap1jpgvOskHEuULoNd1DxofEYQmsx0Dms0WoyT6zqQhGrE3soIJuuY+n/ Ssz+/MZxjIsaVI3plCQrnLucUbaMZKui3Ogqc3jdiTW9harnguE17SY4Lr3BU3mn6Beb k5XQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:organization:subject:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MMLyD8jPCMFsSUfNbV63UI8SRVeoNcESzZq1/YcDd6Y=; b=luQ0m6l6hiagFjQFry2P1pQcu9/MSE8K3U6BGQ+1EglqnFGWXADDQ0eVGgWl97keum Jwoc6VgDow2ZhzG6rr5/ZwntwcnUc8rUz0zEeMU+llHTU2TaBAcmiZRQ2jHC4BtrMPfh gWPJUb27loSjks777XOwuNHocFUMgrtMM9SaFHDNg3JWAtnpuoq0dq8KOkFzkDRZt63a MZ4BDjwYCss6YiIrGTD58RwUmxD1rexbsrkmVK220r/9ZZ1fhxgZA+Z2b+Ar7z8QAUFu s+rBKILbcFnBq/zh/vanUwZbUnE1dLYOpim2O2dDjRrZR50wALe/8Xk4mMP3fEqB6GUb Qy5A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX+pwAmRhTIBhd67TkpdCumn3+w+tbrCutDVR3HqUe7nHrUHbxp OWL39LEkU2blt1KCJKLXuRTaMNYZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy5cbGQCKmmj2TevSZAPUdP0tOLWgpDaI1zrNxZxvzRIzUeTlZ2+sunEOG8UQM4fbZzhseykg== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8494:: with SMTP id u20mr18505842pfn.76.1554669985457; Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([118.148.72.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f1sm34515919pgl.35.2019.04.07.13.46.23 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:46:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Anima WG From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <8b4b8993-2dce-e7d7-1944-e41b65029c8c@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 08:46:24 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] The layer 2 ACP X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:46:29 -0000 Hi, Since there was no time for the presentation in Prague, I'd like to start a discussion here about the idea of a Layer 2 ACP. In terms of the new charter, this idea fits into "Works extending ANI, including variation of ANI deployment". The draft is at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-anima-l2acp-scenarios . The slides are at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-anima-scenarios-and-requirements-for-layer-2-autonomic-control-planes-00 . The basic argument is that GRASP must run over a secure ACP substrate, but the regular Layer 3 ACP is complex and aimed at large networks. A simpler Layer 2 solution would be good for a small enterprise or for an enterprise that prefers to segment its network into small units for management. One important difference from the regular ACP is that the nodes will need to be preconfigured before deployment with a VLAN ID, and a password or encryption key if necessary. Whether this can be automated is for further study (but Kent Watsen's suggestion for draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch might help with this). Please have a look at the draft and comment on whether this is a good idea and whether you'd like to contribute. 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[127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C6F120786 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 04:55:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.534 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.534 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ddS0CaqgznE7 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 04:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A07120058 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 04:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@grace.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.217] port 53391) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from william.atwood@concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id x39Bt8aW031968 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 07:55:08 -0400 To: anima@ietf.org References: <8b4b8993-2dce-e7d7-1944-e41b65029c8c@gmail.com> From: William Atwood Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Organization: Concordia University, Montreal Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 07:55:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8b4b8993-2dce-e7d7-1944-e41b65029c8c@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2019-04-09 07:55:08 EDT Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] The layer 2 ACP X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 11:55:12 -0000 Clearly, the availability of a Layer 2 ACP would enable a community of people who would like to experiment or develop, but who do not have access to 1000+ processors. Also, it seems to me that the "initial conditions" for a Layer 2 solution (preconfigured VLAN ID, password, etc.) are likely to be the same as those for a geographically-distributed overlay solution. Development of a Layer 2 solution could help/encourage the development of an "overlay ACP", which could ease the development of new Autonomic Functions. So, given that I am a university professor with limited resources, I think that this proposal is a *very* good idea. Bill On 07/04/2019 4:46 p.m., Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, > > Since there was no time for the presentation in Prague, I'd like to start > a discussion here about the idea of a Layer 2 ACP. In terms of the new charter, > this idea fits into "Works extending ANI, including variation of ANI deployment". > > The draft is at > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-anima-l2acp-scenarios . > The slides are at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-anima-scenarios-and-requirements-for-layer-2-autonomic-control-planes-00 . > > The basic argument is that GRASP must run over a secure ACP substrate, > but the regular Layer 3 ACP is complex and aimed at large networks. > A simpler Layer 2 solution would be good for a small enterprise or > for an enterprise that prefers to segment its network into small units > for management. > > One important difference from the regular ACP is that the nodes will need > to be preconfigured before deployment with a VLAN ID, and a password or > encryption key if necessary. Whether this can be automated is for further > study (but Kent Watsen's suggestion for draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch > might help with this). > > Please have a look at the draft and comment on whether this is a good > idea and whether you'd like to contribute. > > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima > -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 From nobody Tue Apr 9 19:45:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E9412023D for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:45:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ltU6Ou_6NBA for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x42e.google.com (mail-pf1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44AC4120094 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id y13so456968pfm.11 for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:45:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n6frRQ0MUPgizyZpi7KF40e1mflv8KE5f9roP3GvIIY=; b=oAtX+bbgC9UFfcy7jKTbKZZzQlwBzDArGYdJoWfs+V47faxzp7L+rnimjwBWkIXQVf 6ALaPofPTm9Ds6799WIMlGoX0XxbjmbJRoEzvecR5P/ApDE41ZcMls2/bCQ8o7mIrYHj V7hnzA7s+vVmjfxBZMGOC8evrq/UbVljOUqFLVJwrg+OsQjKiZJbB9e+DkEwknyz5q/M 2KYSQ16YCLdAHy3u9NRDl3zOCvK2fPdbwDik7UY80iT0AHYtdgU2EfZsnfG7Ke1x+paV BTrdNt7Te7RK5YZmTN/STEInr3cZlvemN9XbopbO2+WWNFAwGs1+3kUb6A3s8HyrTxda 2Plg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n6frRQ0MUPgizyZpi7KF40e1mflv8KE5f9roP3GvIIY=; b=Tl/UJ5S/pJVpk5s1JmL80ZE7rQnAIi9xmi7+XoaxB/UmI7NIy5SZvUn2I6aK32VKU3 Re7HY5rrqofy3/j899eAkzOtwOWaFpDyXHZyXaW/B7lCS5Wm47EUY4m6H8Vsnfexyhg2 2adbFORUCq0tSBUx86Q+MEdlvejFRwTzgB0I8IN1AXjHO7sPnTS5gk2eP69xEYSdpSQb xdK8oYKuwRm1lRj18pPitlzqiYKAnRWdGMnxOJiN64ufObbHJPUac5UTEzG7NIarrClM HjlLcDFuoz4RsHjzuRJVvyT1UP/yi/N8kKp5F3ZXX3eUywieaGa/jwo2p9TDMVPsXaTs MzNA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVAxIxOHYUMHTdca6rRXgBWOd+NWQXiO6QeE3Ud3qgGJ0u4Fz1B QGGBBnjbfpt80IU2QmP2wKtT97wP X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx2EMY2uuKEGvTVT804BWORGoxgxXt5zcJap+Gko+IEgSorw7E1tdLq6ZrLWdmCUgKXxOEhhQ== X-Received: by 2002:a62:874d:: with SMTP id i74mr41111184pfe.211.1554864340574; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.216.36.25] (sc-cs-567-laptop.uoa.auckland.ac.nz. [130.216.36.25]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm22063924pfc.132.2019.04.09.19.45.39 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:45:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Anima WG From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <7dcd1248-cb83-e1e2-b097-6a84dab05a54@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:45:36 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Small enhancement to GRASP prototype X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 02:45:44 -0000 Hi, I've pushed an updated grasp.py to https://github.com/becarpenter/graspy It enhances the flood() function to allow all GRASP locator types rather than just IPv6 addresses. Thanks to Robin Jaeger. 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The main changes were moving the taxonomy to an appendix, some new examples, and editorial improvements. Please send any new comments that you may have to int-area@ietf.org At the moment the authors plan to submit this draft soon to the Independent Submissions stream, but we'd be glad to hear any alternative suggestions. Regards Brian + Bing -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07.txt Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:22:48 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Limited Domains and Internet Protocols Authors : Brian Carpenter Bing Liu Filename : draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2019-04-15 Abstract: There is a noticeable trend towards network requirements, behaviours and semantics that are specific to a limited region of the Internet and a particular set of requirements. Policies, default parameters, the options supported, the style of network management and security requirements may vary. This document reviews examples of such limited domains, also known as controlled environments, and emerging solutions, and includes a related taxonomy. It then briefly discusses the standardization of protocols for limited domains. Finally, it shows the needs for a precise definition of limited domain membership and for mechanisms to allow nodes to join a domain securely and to find other members, including boundary nodes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-limited-domains/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Thu Apr 25 02:31:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AEA12006D for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 02:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pd3pnYHiyiNu for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 02:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta135.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 740A3120046 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 02:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.70]) by opfednr25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 44qX556TT6zCsb9; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 11:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.29]) by opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 44qX553z7VzDq75; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 11:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e878:bd0:c89e:5b42]) by OPEXCAUBM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 11:31:53 +0200 From: To: Brian E Carpenter CC: "Liubing (Leo)" , Anima WG Thread-Topic: [Anima] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07.txt Thread-Index: AQHU8/4Wgn3+ob5PrECXv8TTA4twa6ZMqoZw Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:31:52 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302EA657EB@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <155538136830.10806.5525996910171440427@ietfa.amsl.com> <52c5425c-2e55-f95b-bca2-ccfba7ac03e8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <52c5425c-2e55-f95b-bca2-ccfba7ac03e8@gmail.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07.txt X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:31:58 -0000 Hi Brian,=20 FWIW, you may find some comments to this I-D at:=20 * pdf: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft-c= arpenter-limited-domains-07-rev%20Med.pdf=20 * doc: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/master/draft-ca= rpenter-limited-domains-07-rev%20Med.doc=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Anima [mailto:anima-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Brian E Carpen= ter > Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 16 avril 2019 04:43 > =C0=A0: Anima WG > Cc=A0: Liubing (Leo) > Objet=A0: [Anima] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Another update following recent comments. The main changes were > moving the taxonomy to an appendix, some new examples, and editorial > improvements. Please send any new comments that you may have to > int-area@ietf.org >=20 > At the moment the authors plan to submit this draft soon to the > Independent Submissions stream, but we'd be glad to hear any > alternative suggestions. >=20 > Regards > Brian + Bing >=20 > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07.txt > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:22:48 -0700 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : Limited Domains and Internet Protocols > Authors : Brian Carpenter > Bing Liu > Filename : draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07.txt > Pages : 25 > Date : 2019-04-15 >=20 > Abstract: > There is a noticeable trend towards network requirements, behaviours > and semantics that are specific to a limited region of the Internet > and a particular set of requirements. Policies, default parameters, > the options supported, the style of network management and security > requirements may vary. This document reviews examples of such > limited domains, also known as controlled environments, and emerging > solutions, and includes a related taxonomy. It then briefly > discusses the standardization of protocols for limited domains. > Finally, it shows the needs for a precise definition of limited > domain membership and for mechanisms to allow nodes to join a domain > securely and to find other members, including boundary nodes. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-limited-domains/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-carpenter-limited-domains-07 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-carpenter-limited-domains-07 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima From nobody Thu Apr 25 15:16:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30801120343 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1CceWSEEhETV for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 15:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1222E1200F8 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 15:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06F3826C for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 27F4A922; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259A06D9 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: anima@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] evaluation of pinned-domain-cert equality in BRSKI X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 22:16:31 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Due to a design concern my MASA looks up domain registrars by public key rather than certificate(DN). I think that I did this because of constrained voucher concerns. A test registrar resigned the certificate used for pinning, and used that as part of the BRSKI protocol. The private key was not replaced, so it had the same public key inside the certificate. The resulting voucher was pinned to the original certificate, rather than the certificate that was present. This was then rejected by the pledge because the certificate pinned was not the same as the registrar that was proximal. Before I fix the bug in the MASA such that it always pins with the certificate provided, I thought I'd ask some questions. It could be that my pledge was wrong instead. 1) how should a pledge compare pinned-domain-cert to TLS Server Certificate. a) compare Issuer + DN+subjectAltName. b) compare subjectPublicKeyInfo c) byte-wise comparison of DER encoded form. [I am doing c] 2) how should a MASA audit a voucher-request that comes from a JRC that has the same public key, but a different certificate? a) it is the same owner, if the old certificate is still valid, then keep it. b) it is the same owner, keep the new certificate on file, replacing the previous certificate c) it is the same owner, keep whichever certificate has a later notAfter. d) it is the same owner, only if the issuer+DN are the same. In which case keep the one with ... i) a newer PKIX serial number (no, ramdomized serial numbers) ii) latest notAfter iii) ??? I note that a high-availability multi-node JRC might have: a) different certificates with the same DN, and different public keys b) different certificates with the same DN, and the same public keys, because rewewal times were skewed. (They will become the same at the next sync) c) different certificates with different DNs {I note that doing Issuer+DN comparisons is difficult to get right if the Issuer public key is not easily obtained from a trusted store} Now, you might say that the pledge should never expect the TLS Server Certificate to ever differ, byte-for-byte from the pinned-domain-cert, and that would be reasonable for a completely online situation. But in the case of offline vouchers, it's entirely reasonable that the JRC has rolled it's certificate. In such a situation, either one needs (1a) or (1b) above. If we are doing (1a), then we get back to something we thought we got away from, which was pinning the CA+DN. We have underspecified this. If we go with (1b), then there are some crypto-hygiene operational considerations to consider, but I think they are probably acceptable given that vouchers can be re-issued easily. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlzCMbkACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXx+AgAnSiGaebW6VSpBf6tC9czfhLyT0JmxX6nwiYKTGHN6QXlZabbocrIGIBM +MQ8Knzs3JAzfKj8RfYnkqCILxP4LFciqB7PkQgeNGaLHQ8h6oFGQxflTYnjkFmg iOeAb2FLjA/Rg8VBwCmNt0HXXmkqMykCouyyhdo295AdCb03i9le+b429kLKlbxC +78mGgWZYWMWn3OpfBh9/U6U3aUzZ3cBZHjzn+813xNHySfVlt+gsZp+4IaSkprw ICLCqTvF+RD2hB1Is06c+MgcY6tk5UiP+HawuwGYGGHHfw12MjHAFzBQFkC8AuVo DfguvWlf5/Qeu+3ewP3yQNoruecApw== =I04Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Apr 29 10:30:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietf.org Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D09A1204AE; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Vigoureux via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: anima-chairs@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Vigoureux Message-ID: <155655905154.15849.12085215696912730275.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:30:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Martin Vigoureux's Block on charter-ietf-anima-01-05: (with BLOCK and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 17:30:51 -0000 Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-anima-01-05: Block When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-anima/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BLOCK: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I am under the impression that there is a small ambiguity in the charter, which shouldn't be hard to resolve: ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in draft-ietf-anima-reference-model. [...] The three areas of the framework are [...] and (3) Intent. ANIMA will not work on Intent [...] without explicit rechartering. The first piece seems to allow for working on Intent while the second clearly not (within the current charter). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not sure to understand what the following means: Acceptance of work items by the WG will be scheduled/throttled so that contributors can target them to enter WG last call after not more than a number of IETF meeting cycles agreed by the AD. From nobody Mon Apr 29 11:59:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403E3120676; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:59:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjs5eg7dekTh; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-f52.google.com (mail-ot1-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55A5D120318; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f52.google.com with SMTP id b18so638634otq.3; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7ZrefIEyEpSaYzy0+Oyso0lnJJfp+6BGZC9EjuEoLns=; b=WaEHVABGZI/wlb5zRj3jl3z8UIQUx9lnFO491ciCFguSNM1EHVKBdnxiix4BByy3Br eaUkiLtD9UAZr9iHk4PJH1S2z19UvPiwT3c4gZsOBRpYmQ115mXZlVgyVKak4298VRnA NSsoRuUxfuFDvpJGAcbyJ2dvw73Fj8oco1m9E0xb5XHF9JIUFQ8SerhYoapsikAXbCQ7 zWg2xTXSxyA3YLXwgW2rmlFXotcVgxYKhS7NFvMAMZiZ6hH1t/I/fpflYbaJRD3z5MC3 D36R9js9vb2+GxgO1/LPbs/vpjDzDsA+tppldu/V0ijdGTA22GQrQ1Nr0iCutERDDooh LtXw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXIb+PA0Fr/gdkzxZnhHnfecVQKbbZsfpRQu5eXwqJHtVigpve2 RN6kxaV5ktFoyPiYaefw/Wr2WwiBCS10iNDeIaE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxutWQmNgV4BZDA+DOCjsb3mbF7AHKxI8/toyfFLwwIzr31ffp0ZJCqyj4NpOChNv68PeH1dwcMdpTzMUNbcuM= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7356:: with SMTP id l22mr18174037otk.247.1556564362331; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <155655905154.15849.12085215696912730275.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155655905154.15849.12085215696912730275.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Barry Leiba Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:59:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Martin Vigoureux Cc: The IESG , anima-chairs@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Martin Vigoureux's Block on charter-ietf-anima-01-05: (with BLOCK and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:59:26 -0000 > I am under the impression that there is a small ambiguity in the charter, which > shouldn't be hard to resolve: > > ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in > draft-ietf-anima-reference-model. [...] The three areas of the framework are > [...] and (3) Intent. > > ANIMA will not work on Intent [...] without explicit rechartering. > > The first piece seems to allow for working on Intent while the second clearly > not (within the current charter). I tripped over that also when I first read it, but then understood: the WG will rely on the framework, which includes a set of things. Not all of those things will be worked on via this charter. In particular, "intent" is one of the things that won't be. As I read it, I think the charter is OK. I suppose it could be clarified this way: OLD ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in draft-ietf-anima-reference-model. Work not related to this framework is welcome for review, but WG adoption of such work requires explicit rechartering. The three areas of the framework are (1) the Autonomic Networking Infrastructure (ANI), (2) Autonomic Functions (AF) built from software modules called Autonomic Service Agents (ASA) and (3) Intent. NEW ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in draft-ietf-anima-reference-model, though only parts of the framework are in scope for this charter, as detailed below. Work not related to this framework is welcome for review, but WG adoption of such work requires explicit rechartering. The three areas of the framework are (1) the Autonomic Networking Infrastructure (ANI), (2) Autonomic Functions (AF) built from software modules called Autonomic Service Agents (ASA) and (3) Intent. END > I'm not sure to understand what the following means: > > Acceptance of work items by the WG will be scheduled/throttled so that > contributors can target them to enter WG last call after not more than a number > of IETF meeting cycles agreed by the AD. As I read it, it means that the working group won't take on so much work that the work they do take on doesn't get done. Acceptance is based on negotiating a schedule (based on meeting cycles), and if the schedule isn't met, new work items can't be accepted. Barry From nobody Mon Apr 29 13:17:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietf.org Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8701206B6; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:17:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Deborah Brungard via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: anima-chairs@ietf.org, anima@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Deborah Brungard Message-ID: <155656903229.31732.2322491715271775685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:17:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] Deborah Brungard's No Objection on charter-ietf-anima-01-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:17:13 -0000 Deborah Brungard has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-anima-01-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-anima/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The sentence in the first paragraph: "for automated network management and control of networks that are developed, built and operated by professionals." I found the wording "operated by professionals" confusing. Especially this is the first sentence of the charter. It seems to be a cut and paste reversal from the reference model document where it says: "loosely referred to as "professionally managed" networks". The reference model differentiates between managed networks and unmanaged networks. It further differentiates for managed networks between traditional (non-autonomic) networks and autonomic networks. The interpretation is the network does need to managed (by professionals), and then one can introduce autonomic management, due to the additional security and trust issues the autonomic model does not cover. Suggest to use the wording of the reference model document to give context or (I prefer) reuse the wording in the original charter for the first two paragraphs as the original was very clear in scope of use. From nobody Mon Apr 29 13:29:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F5E120049; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yuK9J_XmQ7ot; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl1-x632.google.com (mail-pl1-x632.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::632]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B15412003E; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x632.google.com with SMTP id w20so5004444plq.3; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cp77KJk9myn532N4pR8L0DZBMvYsePz/r2VjMKO9Ui0=; b=KPp5ZYhBLJdVKU3TYzdvZX+i/5vOkzpmFvwVmSDggPsVGGfv3iUFBmlAqyvY18OF4K Pk40dwLqeiq3aEvNgct9i9L6ojxuBRn3FoYhOtJzzui82E7PFIlr9+19cZ9At5mSIKpa jpujEnLpZ6bTooziTr7UM8t1MgISARv4q8yfUg5hdYGl4ElLHkv3t+el3Is68nBO633A qerSEzlrc5fEfkFXyat8wfLXoPGZ03wkw0w/BWkUMULe+1D4pxtObhFkuvBVrEgUHJxq zPM4l2KcDb2/TVOgxaP+iFdmozF3rM9UQD+ezw/+s2ZmZFmZdDm9i6v8Mz9+sM5ZOk1O 2Y5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cp77KJk9myn532N4pR8L0DZBMvYsePz/r2VjMKO9Ui0=; b=lZn/8Nt5/vdfgrd1g3RJ3EkpezhCp2dgXKAC+kqmGjqNeMDsOL/Mbti0cqT6VSfyit s94F4lo9Zqa0awAJcl0KtFa48r4OFVL1Diec4iblAhZoHZnGCfpWZOA3l5icnuDVlUgM yODsRnbjKqoiPKUw0fsW+wAua9eDaF2aNzo6G48WDZQ6zGHyLUOJpBcv/3fdGo5dCJtB Gh4Imae7N168hsktXU69WiTN+JC3gHSObNCr6ar4SFLk+0/xAtdYcaa0SYXrU2ZsueLu LRDUm4blpQMpaDcKyipCndz6gL4dvMEMogrPvVm6PU1aGduBe3m/BwHtwTcE7xM8t8B7 2nyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVsUcaCzJvYAV/pQRc4zgP4M2W8itvE8/jleZmy+KQ7hzhJSYTQ jo01FMxwqyhJOdc3XFdXUGxQmZ4y X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwl3rVRLdInT7h0u6tgWZ0ODzV1rne/tsKVwhFG20tIpN1G47AibsEf3s8f0qgmpVNbQDlTCw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:4681:: with SMTP id p1mr5555290pld.139.1556569789671; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([118.148.72.205]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v7sm20305963pga.10.2019.04.29.13.29.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:29:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Barry Leiba , Martin Vigoureux Cc: anima-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , anima@ietf.org References: <155655905154.15849.12085215696912730275.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <650bc1e8-9a27-5c73-05bd-a5f458462dd0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:29:46 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Anima] Martin Vigoureux's Block on charter-ietf-anima-01-05: (with BLOCK and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:29:53 -0000 Barry, I believe your interpretation is correct. Regards Brian Carpenter On 30-Apr-19 06:59, Barry Leiba wrote: >> I am under the impression that there is a small ambiguity in the charter, which >> shouldn't be hard to resolve: >> >> ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in >> draft-ietf-anima-reference-model. [...] The three areas of the framework are >> [...] and (3) Intent. >> >> ANIMA will not work on Intent [...] without explicit rechartering. >> >> The first piece seems to allow for working on Intent while the second clearly >> not (within the current charter). > > I tripped over that also when I first read it, but then understood: > the WG will rely on the framework, which includes a set of things. > Not all of those things will be worked on via this charter. In > particular, "intent" is one of the things that won't be. > > As I read it, I think the charter is OK. I suppose it could be > clarified this way: > > OLD > ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in > draft-ietf-anima-reference-model. Work not related to this framework is welcome > for review, but WG adoption of such work requires explicit rechartering. The > three areas of the framework are (1) the Autonomic Networking Infrastructure > (ANI), (2) Autonomic Functions (AF) built from software modules called > Autonomic Service Agents (ASA) and (3) Intent. > > NEW > ANIMA work will rely on the framework described in > draft-ietf-anima-reference-model, though only parts of the framework are > in scope for this charter, as detailed below. Work not related to > this framework > is welcome for review, but WG adoption of such work requires explicit > rechartering. > The three areas of the framework are (1) the Autonomic Networking Infrastructure > (ANI), (2) Autonomic Functions (AF) built from software modules called > Autonomic Service Agents (ASA) and (3) Intent. > > END > >> I'm not sure to understand what the following means: >> >> Acceptance of work items by the WG will be scheduled/throttled so that >> contributors can target them to enter WG last call after not more than a number >> of IETF meeting cycles agreed by the AD. > > As I read it, it means that the working group won't take on so much > work that the work they do take on doesn't get done. Acceptance is > based on negotiating a schedule (based on meeting cycles), and if the > schedule isn't met, new work items can't be accepted. > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima > From nobody Mon Apr 29 13:50:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA8712017F; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:50:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com 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X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <155665807288.7572.676096492399468792.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:01:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Anima] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_charter-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-anima-01-05=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:01:17 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-anima-01-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-anima/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note that I support Martin's BLOCK with respect to the support or absence of support of "Intent". Deborah's question about 'by professionals' is indeed a very valid point.