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Passwords for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- ans-research@ietf.org agvoes https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/ans-research/ans-research-web-archive%40ietf.org From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 3 16:28:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04540 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao85S-0002s5-Ci for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:28:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i13LS2rB011036 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:28:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao85S-0002rv-6k for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:28:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04480 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao85Q-00002Z-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:28:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao84Q-0007eC-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:26:59 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao83U-0007VF-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:26:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao83V-0002lP-K7; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:26:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao83H-0002ks-FA for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:25:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04246 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao83F-0007Sn-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:25:45 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao82O-0007Lj-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:24:53 -0500 Received: from mail.flarion.com ([63.103.94.23] helo=ftmail.lab.flarion.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao81u-0007DT-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:24:23 -0500 Received: by ftmail.lab.flarion.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1FYGVMJ7>; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <9E3BA3946476AD4EB94672712B12A85FC89AB9@ftmail.lab.flarion.com> From: Corson Scott To: "'ans-research@ietf.org'" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:23:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Folks, Numerous RG participants have expressed the view that the previous ANS charter's research scope was too *narrow*. We have discussed this with Avri Doria (the new Routing Research Group chairperson) and after scratching our heads for a time, have come up with the following proposed charter. http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/ We welcome feedback on the proposed charter. Are people OK with this? Suggestions please? Thx, -Scott _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 3 16:44:11 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA06543 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao8Kc-00049q-RO for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:43:43 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i13LhgTu015976 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:43:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao8Kc-00049b-M3 for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:43:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA06525 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao8Ka-0002pN-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:43:40 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao8Jf-0002kC-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:42:43 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao8Ix-0002en-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:41:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao8Iy-000447-SU; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:42:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao8Ig-00043L-Ua for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:41:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA06454 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao8Ie-0002dr-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:41:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao8Hj-0002Ye-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:40:43 -0500 Received: from letters.cs.ucsb.edu ([128.111.41.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao8H9-0002TL-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:40:08 -0500 Received: from yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu (yosemite [128.111.40.103]) by letters.cs.ucsb.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i13Le6g19792 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Elizabeth Belding-Royer To: ans-research@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1075844405.24420.349.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 03 Feb 2004 13:40:09 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, >From the feedback I received, it does not seem that WCNC is a good venue for our next meeting. In that case, we will probably shoot for Mobisys, which is in Boston in June. Since that leaves us with 6 months between meetings, let's see if we can use the mailing list efficiently between now and then to make progress. The first item is getting feedback on the proposed new charter, as mentioned in the email Scott just sent. 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Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:09:59 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Subject: RE: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: <26BDFAFFB541B047B24179002EBE6D278CB1BC@orsmsx410.jf.intel.com> Thread-Topic: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter Thread-Index: AcPqnGUq15tj6vJUSo6xcpAmrij1OwABcK1w From: "Yang, Lily L" To: "Corson Scott" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2004 22:09:59.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[76CE9F00:01C3EAA2] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this new charter is MUCH MORE interesting and useful.=20 -----Original Message----- From: ans-research-admin@ietf.org [mailto:ans-research-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Corson Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:24 PM To: 'ans-research@ietf.org' Subject: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter Folks, Numerous RG participants have expressed the view that the previous ANS charter's research scope was too *narrow*. =20 We have discussed this with Avri Doria (the new Routing Research Group chairperson) and after scratching our heads for a time, have come up = with the following proposed charter. http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/ We welcome feedback on the proposed charter. =20 Are people OK with this? Suggestions please? Thx, -Scott _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 3 17:45:12 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10149 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao9Hg-0000ZN-TF for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:44:45 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i13Mii3E002189 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:44:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao9Hg-0000ZE-OD for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:44:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10042 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao9He-0002uw-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:44:42 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao9Ff-0002UG-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:42:40 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao9Ee-0002HA-01 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:41:36 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ao99F-0007Vw-Qa for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:36:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao99F-0008OS-36; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:36:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao98u-0008Lh-0v for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:35:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09873 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao98r-0001s9-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:35:37 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao97t-0001n2-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:34:38 -0500 Received: from barrichello.cs.ucr.edu ([138.23.169.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao96v-0001dF-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:33:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F70B12407F for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [138.23.174.162] (unknown [138.23.174.162]) by barrichello.cs.ucr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FC5124130 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:33:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <9E3BA3946476AD4EB94672712B12A85FC89AB9@ftmail.lab.flarion.com> References: <9E3BA3946476AD4EB94672712B12A85FC89AB9@ftmail.lab.flarion.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jakob Eriksson Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:33:02 -0800 To: "'ans-research@ietf.org'" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since my main research interest lies in the scalability aspects of ad hoc networks, I'm a bit disappointed by the apparent dilution of the charter to its new, much more general form. However, I must congratulate the authors on their creativity. For those of you that missed the subtle, but effective, name change, the former "ANS: Ad hoc Network Scalability" research group is now the "ANS: Ad hoc Network Systems" research group. :-D At the very least, we'll have a much easier time defining "Systems" than "Scalability"! - Jakob On Feb 3, 2004, at 1:23 PM, Corson Scott wrote: > > Folks, > > Numerous RG participants have expressed the view that the previous ANS > charter's research scope was too *narrow*. > > We have discussed this with Avri Doria (the new Routing Research Group > chairperson) and after scratching our heads for a time, have come up > with > the following proposed charter. > > http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/ > > We welcome feedback on the proposed charter. > > Are people OK with this? Suggestions please? > > Thx, > > -Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Ans-research mailing list > Ans-research@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 3 17:45:27 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10236 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao9Hv-0000ao-Jn for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:45:00 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i13MixoB002272 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:44:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao9Hv-0000aZ-DE for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:44:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10083 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao9Hs-0002zu-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:44:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao9Fy-0002X5-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:42:59 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao9El-0002HA-02 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:41:44 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ao92V-0006z0-E5 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:29:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao92U-0007at-S6; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:29:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao92G-0007a8-GZ for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:28:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09629 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao92E-0001F4-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:28:46 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao91X-00018l-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:28:04 -0500 Received: from mail.flarion.com ([63.103.94.23] helo=ftmail.lab.flarion.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ao90q-0000tQ-00; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:27:20 -0500 Received: by ftmail.lab.flarion.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1FYGVMT9>; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: <9E3BA3946476AD4EB94672712B12A85FC89AC8@ftmail.lab.flarion.com> From: Corson Scott To: "'Pete Sholander'" , "'haas@ece.cornell.edu'" , "'manet@n0rg.org'" Cc: "'manet@ietf.org'" , "'adhoc@n0rg.org'" , "'ans-research@ietf.org'" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:26:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Ans-research] RE: [manet] What happened to ZRP ? Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 ANS would likely be interested in such a submission. We are interested in practical/simulation work that demonstrates performance superior to that offered by running AODV or OLSR alone. -Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: manet-admin@ietf.org [mailto:manet-admin@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Pete Sholander > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:09 AM > To: haas@ece.cornell.edu; manet@n0rg.org > Cc: manet@ietf.org; adhoc@n0rg.org > Subject: Re: [manet] What happened to ZRP ? > > > Laurent, > > A ZRP variant has been used for open-air field-tests (10 - 25 > node) every few months since last March. The implementation > is similar to, but not identical to, the ZRP drafts. We also > have a version that uses OLSR as its proactive component, > that we use in our lab. > > I offered to update the ZRP drafts into an RFC document last > March -- but was told not to bother by Macker and Corson. > So, Zygmunt's still submitting items to the IRTF -- but I've > dropped the issue for a while. If ANS expresses serious > interest in "hybrid" protocols -- and especially ones that > allow designers to incorporate their favorite > proactive/reactive components (e.g., OLSR and AODV) into a > hybrid framework -- then I'll contribute to I-Ds based on my > group's field experience. > > --Pete Sholander > Scientific Research Corporation > Atlanta, GA > > E: psholander@scires.com > V: 770-989-9551 > > >>> "haas@ece.cornell.edu" 02/03/04 05:55AM >>> > Hi Laurent, > > > I was looking for an implementation of ZRP when i realized > that the last > > draft of ZPR draft-ietf-manet-zone-zrp-04.txt has expired in january > > 2003 and was no more available on the IETF web. > > We will be updating the ZRP draft in the near future with > some implementation > experience that we have gathered recently. > > In particular, we want to emphasize the *scalability* aspect > of ZRP. Thus, > we expect to submit the revised draft to the IRTF ANS group > (http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/). > > If you need the old drafts, those are still available on our > web page at: > http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu/wnlother.html > > Zygmunt. > ==-=-===== > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- > ~-~-~-~-~-~- > Prof. Zygmunt J. Haas > http://people.ece.cornell.edu/haas > Wireless Networks > Laboratory http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu > School of Electrical Engineering > Cornell University tel: +1-607-255-3454 > 323 Frank Rhodes Hall fax: +1-607-255-9072 > Ithaca, NY 14853 e-mail: haas@ece.cornell.edu > U.S.A > WNL web page: http://wnl.ece.cornell.edu > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- > ~-~-~-~-~-~- > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Laurent Dehoey wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I was looking for an implementation of ZRP when i realized > that the last > > draft of ZPR draft-ietf-manet-zone-zrp-04.txt has expired in january > > 2003 and was no more available on the IETF web. > > > > Since there is no RFC published for it, and there is not > much discussion > > about it in the MANET mailing list, does it mean that we > can "forget" it ? > > > > TIA > > > > Laurent Dehoey > > > > _______________________________________________ > > manet mailing list > > manet@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > > > _______________________________________________ > manet mailing list > manet@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet > _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 4 00:39:24 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA23446 for ; 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Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:35:13 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout3.samsung.com by mailout3.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HSJ00C0ZOTP1X@mailout3.samsung.com> for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:34:37 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout3.samsung.com [203.254.224.33]) by mailout3.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HSJ008X6OTLBK@mailout3.samsung.com> for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:34:34 +0900 (KST) Received: from Shubhranshu ([75.2.47.220]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HSJ005QCOTLZB@mmp1.samsung.com> for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:34:33 +0900 (KST) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:34:32 -0800 From: Shubhranshu Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter To: Corson Scott , ans-research@ietf.org Reply-to: Shubhranshu Message-id: <012101c3eb6f$0fd0b860$dc2f024b@Shubhranshu> Organization: Samsung MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9E3BA3946476AD4EB94672712B12A85FC89AB9@ftmail.lab.flarion.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am certainly very glad about the new charter. Many ppls in MANET WG feel the necessity of "well defined" methods/algorithms/concept for "interlayer interaction" issue. Somehow MANET WG could not discuss or produce any specific result about this topic. Reason may be similar that prevented them to take up the *scalability* issue. I feel the "MANET community" can benefit from this new charter of ANS:Ad Hoc Network system research subgroup. Thx. --Shubhranshu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corson Scott" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter > > Folks, > > Numerous RG participants have expressed the view that the previous ANS > charter's research scope was too *narrow*. > > We have discussed this with Avri Doria (the new Routing Research Group > chairperson) and after scratching our heads for a time, have come up with > the following proposed charter. > > http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/ > > We welcome feedback on the proposed charter. > > Are people OK with this? Suggestions please? > > Thx, > > -Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Ans-research mailing list > Ans-research@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research > _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 4 11:50:43 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA14393 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoQEB-0001H4-Kq for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:50:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i14GoFdS004895 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:50:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoQEB-0001Gs-Eu for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:50:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA14390 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoQEA-0001U6-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:50:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AoQDM-0001PT-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:49:24 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoQCy-0001Jz-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:49:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoQCz-0001BS-2X; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:49:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoQCO-00018d-RP for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:48:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA14328 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoQCN-0001Hb-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:48:23 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AoQBT-0001Aj-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:47:28 -0500 Received: from dns2.tilab.com ([163.162.42.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoQAd-0000vb-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:46:35 -0500 Received: from iowa2k01b.cselt.it ([163.162.242.204]) by dns2.cselt.it (PMDF V6.1 #38895) with ESMTP id <0HSK00C1AJPYHK@dns2.cselt.it> for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:41:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from iowa2k01b.cselt.it ([163.162.242.204]) by iowa2k01b.cselt.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:45:18 +0100 Received: from EXC2K01A.cselt.it ([163.162.4.34]) by iowa2k01b.cselt.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:45:18 +0100 Received: from EXC2K01B.cselt.it ([163.162.4.97]) by EXC2K01A.cselt.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:46:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:46:02 +0100 From: Ruffino Simone Subject: RE: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter To: Corson Scott Cc: ans-research@ietf.org Message-id: <625BE97BF4795E43970345790166B9BC0106167A@EXC2K01B.cselt.it> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: normal Priority: normal Thread-Topic: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter Thread-Index: AcPqnHXsn0ZPgQt4Roa1OhGDQ5KYBwAn5pSQ content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 16:46:02.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FF9C510:01C3EB3E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I also think the new charter has improved. I think it's a good idea to = widen the scope of this group. I'm especially interested in the = cross-layer issue and network auto-configuration. Two comment on the charter : - "Interoperation with a wired infrastructure, to the extent that it = enhances ad hoc network system performance, may also be studied."=20 I agree to include this in the charter, but I'd say "Interoperation with = an infrastructure network (wired or wireless, e.g. 3G Networks) ... = etc.". I mean that MANET could be connected both to wired networks (e.g. = WISP network) and/or to cellular network (e.g. multihop cellular = networks) - Something about network configuration is currently in progress in = MANET WG. Does this mean that issues like addressing, DAD etc. will be = studied in ANS ? Regards, Simone > -----Original Message----- > From: ans-research-admin@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:ans-research-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Corson Scott > Sent: marted=EC 3 febbraio 2004 22.24 > To: 'ans-research@ietf.org' > Subject: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter >=20 >=20 >=20 > Folks, >=20 > Numerous RG participants have expressed the view that the=20 > previous ANS charter's research scope was too *narrow*. =20 >=20 > We have discussed this with Avri Doria (the new Routing Research Group > chairperson) and after scratching our heads for a time, have=20 > come up with the following proposed charter. >=20 http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/ We welcome feedback on the proposed charter. =20 Are people OK with this? Suggestions please? 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I mean that MANET=20 > could be connected both to wired networks (e.g. WISP network)=20 > and/or to cellular network (e.g. multihop cellular networks) Agree. >=20 > - Something about network configuration is currently in=20 > progress in MANET WG. Does this mean that issues like=20 > addressing, DAD etc. will be studied in ANS ? Maybe... really depends on the topic. Simple things using existing technologies (e.g. Gatewayed DHCP) are probably not of interest to ANS, = and rather are better placed for consideration in MANET. >=20 > Regards, > Simone >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ans-research-admin@ietf.org=20 > > [mailto:ans-research-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Corson Scott > > Sent: marted=EC 3 febbraio 2004 22.24 > > To: 'ans-research@ietf.org' > > Subject: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Folks, > >=20 > > Numerous RG participants have expressed the view that the=20 > > previous ANS charter's research scope was too *narrow*. =20 > >=20 > > We have discussed this with Avri Doria (the new Routing=20 > Research Group > > chairperson) and after scratching our heads for a time, have=20 > > come up with the following proposed charter. > >=20 > http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/ >=20 > We welcome feedback on the proposed charter. =20 >=20 > Are people OK with this? Suggestions please? >=20 > Thx, >=20 > -Scott >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ans-research mailing list > Ans-research@ietf.org=20 > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-> research >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons > above and may contain confidential information. If you have received > the message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof > is prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete > the message. Should you have any questions, please contact us by > replying to MailAdmin@tilab.com. Thank you > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 4 18:20:56 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08288 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoWJp-0006nA-UZ for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:20:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i14NKTH9026107 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:20:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoWJp-0006n0-Nr for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:20:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08282 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoWJm-0006zA-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:20:26 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AoWIs-0006v4-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:19:30 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoWIO-0006qX-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:19:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoWIO-00064V-SE; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:19:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AoW8C-0002su-2T for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:08:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06962 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:08:23 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: avri@acm.org Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoW89-0005fu-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:08:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AoW7C-0005XQ-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:07:27 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AoW6I-0005Ny-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:06:30 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1AoW6I-000Owx-Ks for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:06:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:06:29 +0900 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: ans-research@ietf.org Resent-Message-Id: <9FCAB06C-5764-11D8-9657-000393CC2112@acm.org> From: avri@acm.org Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:51:09 +0900 To: ans-research-request@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:06:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5 feb 2004, at 03.12, Corson Scott wrote: > >> >> - Something about network configuration is currently in >> progress in MANET WG. Does this mean that issues like >> addressing, DAD etc. will be studied in ANS ? > > Maybe... really depends on the topic. Simple things using existing > technologies (e.g. Gatewayed DHCP) are probably not of interest to > ANS, and > rather are better placed for consideration in MANET. > > I agree we have to be careful no to step on the Manet charter, i.e should remain on the research side. Thanks a. _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 12 01:22:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26882 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArAEb-0008S4-Nf for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1C6M1ss032479 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArAEa-0008Rj-VO for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26851 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAEX-0001o2-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:21:57 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArADc-0001h6-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:21:01 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArACg-0001aJ-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:20:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArACh-0008Jf-SW; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:20:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArABp-0008IE-03 for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:19:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26705 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArABm-0001TA-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:19:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAAq-0001Ls-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:18:08 -0500 Received: from rodin.i2r.a-star.edu.sg ([192.122.139.27] helo=i2r.a-star.edu.sg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAAI-0001Fc-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:17:34 -0500 Received: from newmailhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i2r.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1C6HE7o016175 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:17:20 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([192.168.152.135]) by mailhost.lit.org.sg (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HSY00HQWK50JV@mailhost.lit.org.sg> for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:17:25 +0800 (SGT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 205B5352D0; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:17:27 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:17:27 +0800 From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter In-reply-to: <9E3BA3946476AD4EB94672712B12A85FC89AB9@ftmail.lab.flarion.com> To: Corson Scott Cc: "'ans-research@ietf.org'" Message-id: <20040212061727.GA20104@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i References: <9E3BA3946476AD4EB94672712B12A85FC89AB9@ftmail.lab.flarion.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi! The broadening of the charter is welcome. However, the emphasis on cross-layer interaction, particularly the words "and its effect on...", is a bit strict. IMHO the charter would better represent the goals of the sub-group if we reworded it in a manner such that study of cross-layer interaction is not a prerequisite for the other goals. - Sukanta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corson Scott " Date: Wed, 04 Feb, 2004 05:23 SGT Subject: [Ans-research] Proposed New ANS Charter > > Folks, > > Numerous RG participants have expressed the view that the previous ANS > charter's research scope was too *narrow*. > > We have discussed this with Avri Doria (the new Routing Research Group > chairperson) and after scratching our heads for a time, have come up with > the following proposed charter. > > http://www.flarion.com/ans-research/ > > We welcome feedback on the proposed charter. > > Are people OK with this? Suggestions please? > > Thx, > > -Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Ans-research mailing list > Ans-research@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research -- Sukanta K. Hazra Institute for Infocomm Research Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 12 01:25:27 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26988 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArAHR-0000OG-Qd for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:24:58 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1C6Ovje001494 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:24:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArAHR-0000O1-NJ for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:24:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26973 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAHO-000288-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:24:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAGU-00022B-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:23:59 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAFX-0001vW-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArAFZ-0000E0-Jt; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:23:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArAFU-0000Df-69 for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26900 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAFR-0001uK-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:22:53 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArAEV-0001nj-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:21:55 -0500 Received: from rodin.i2r.a-star.edu.sg ([192.122.139.27] helo=i2r.a-star.edu.sg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArADY-0001gH-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:20:56 -0500 Received: from newmailhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by i2r.a-star.edu.sg (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1C6Kg7o016304 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:20:42 +0800 (SGT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([192.168.152.135]) by mailhost.lit.org.sg (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HSY00HVMKASJV@mailhost.lit.org.sg> for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:20:52 +0800 (SGT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9599B352D0; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:20:55 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:20:55 +0800 From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting In-reply-to: <1075844405.24420.349.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> To: Elizabeth Belding-Royer Cc: ans-research@ietf.org Message-id: <20040212062055.GA20593@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Organization: Institute for Infocomm Research MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline PGP-ID: 0x8E084AD5 Key-Fingerprint: 9C0D B00C C62A 7059 5314 99FC CE90 478A 8E08 4AD5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i References: <1075844405.24420.349.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi! Could we try to coincide the ANS meetings with the IETF meetings. How many would be interested in this? - Sukanta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Belding-Royer " Date: Wed, 04 Feb, 2004 05:40 SGT Subject: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting > Hi, > > >From the feedback I received, it does not seem that WCNC > is a good venue for our next meeting. In that case, we > will probably shoot for Mobisys, which is in Boston in > June. Since that leaves us with 6 months between meetings, > let's see if we can use the mailing list efficiently between > now and then to make progress. The first item is getting > feedback on the proposed new charter, as mentioned in the > email Scott just sent. > > Elizabeth > > > _______________________________________________ > Ans-research mailing list > Ans-research@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research -- Sukanta K. Hazra Institute for Infocomm Research Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 12 05:33:33 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA18050 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArE9Y-0000bt-Gt for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:33:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1CAX46R002345 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:33:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArE9Y-0000bk-Da for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:33:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA18030 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArE9U-0002mj-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:33:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArE8W-0002gD-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:32:00 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArE7X-0002ZY-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:30:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArE7a-0000UW-1u; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:31:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArE6l-0000TN-1B for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:30:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA17945 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArE6h-0002V9-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:30:07 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArE5l-0002Q6-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:29:09 -0500 Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.117]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArE5T-0002Km-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:28:52 -0500 Received: from [128.240.149.114] (deerbook.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.149.114]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.10.1-20030918-patch/8.10.1) with ESMTP id i1CASFu18152; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:28:15 GMT In-Reply-To: <20040212062055.GA20593@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> References: <1075844405.24420.349.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> <20040212062055.GA20593@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ABAB0A9-5D46-11D8-9933-000A9575BD30@ncl.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ans-research@ietf.org, Elizabeth Belding-Royer From: Einar Vollset Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:28:15 +0000 To: "Sukanta K. Hazra" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Newcastle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Postmaster@newcastle.ac.uk for more information X-Newcastle-MailScanner: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay as we're obviously all chipping in: I vote for MobiHoc in May. On 12 Feb 2004, at 06:20, Sukanta K. Hazra wrote: > Hi! > > Could we try to coincide the ANS meetings with the IETF meetings. How > many would be interested in this? > > - Sukanta > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Belding-Royer " > Date: Wed, 04 Feb, 2004 05:40 SGT > Subject: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting > >> Hi, >> >>> From the feedback I received, it does not seem that WCNC >> is a good venue for our next meeting. In that case, we >> will probably shoot for Mobisys, which is in Boston in >> June. Since that leaves us with 6 months between meetings, >> let's see if we can use the mailing list efficiently between >> now and then to make progress. The first item is getting >> feedback on the proposed new charter, as mentioned in the >> email Scott just sent. >> >> Elizabeth >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ans-research mailing list >> Ans-research@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research > > -- > Sukanta K. Hazra > Institute for Infocomm Research > Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 > Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ans-research mailing list > Ans-research@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research > _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 17 14:01:47 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27296 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtAT9-0001Ux-7s for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:01:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1HJ1J1l005753 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:01:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtAT9-0001Ui-2s for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:01:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27256 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtAT6-00038V-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:01:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtASE-00035H-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:00:23 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtARv-00031d-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:00:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtARw-0001OB-88; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:00:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtAR9-0001Lo-0V for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:59:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26980 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtAR6-0002ya-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:59:12 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtAQC-0002u7-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:58:17 -0500 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtAPJ-0002rX-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:57:21 -0500 Received: from sundial.cs.cornell.edu (sundial.cs.cornell.edu [128.84.96.115]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.11.7-20031020/8.11.7/R-3.10) with ESMTP id i1HIvLc19991 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from zinger.cs.cornell.edu (zinger.cs.cornell.edu [128.84.96.55]) by sundial.cs.cornell.edu (8.11.7-20031020/8.11.7/M-3.12a) with ESMTP id i1HIvLB13928 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from egs@localhost) by zinger.cs.cornell.edu (8.11.7-20031020/8.11.7/C-3.4) id i1HIvKn28498 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200402171857.i1HIvKn28498@zinger.cs.cornell.edu> To: ans-research@ietf.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:57:20 -0500 (EDT) From: "Emin Gun Sirer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Ans-research] SNS release v0.1 - Scalable Network Simulator Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We are writing to announce the public release of SNS v0.1, a Staged Network Simulator, designed for efficient simulation of large-scale wireless networks. SNS derives its performance and scale through "staged simulation" [1,2]. Staged simulation is a new technique for reducing redundant computations commonly encountered in wireless network simulations. Simulations often exhibit redundancy, both within a single run as well as across a batch of runs with similar scenarios. The core behind staging is to compute expensive functions once, cache the results, and reuse them whenever possible. Since most computations in a traditional wireless simulator are directly or indirectly dependent on simulation time and provide little opportunity for reuse, staging proposes accuracy-preserving transformations to restructure the internal events in a simulator to break this dependency & expose and eliminate the redundant computations. These transformations include currying, incremental-computation, computing auxiliary results and time-shifting, and are documented in our papers. The end result is a simulator where basic, expensive operations, such as neighborhood computations, can be cached and reused without having to be computed from scratch. SNS is a branch off of the ns2 code base (version 2.1b9 with CMU Monarch extensions), where we replaced the guts of the simulator, including the event scheduler, to perform staging while we preserved the public ns2 interface. As a result, legacy code written for ns2 in C++ and Tcl continues to work on SNS, though faster and at higher scales. SNS can store the results of past computations on disk and reuse them across different runs of the simulator - a feature we found to be very useful when performing simulations in batches. Staging yields significant gains in both simulation performance and scale. Whereas stock ns2, under commonly-used ad hoc networking setups with N nodes, scales as O(N^2), SNS's execution time scales with O(N). On our test platform (1.8 GHz Intel Xeon with 6 GB RAM), this translates to a ~50-fold speedup for a 1500 node network, where the execution time improves from 32 hours to 37 minutes. SNS is free and can be downloaded from: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/egs/sns/ Hope this is a useful tool for your research. When referring to SNS, please cite our TOMACS paper instead of the earlier WSC paper. Gun & Kevin. -- [1] Kevin Walsh, Emin Gun Sirer. Staged Simulation: A General Technique for Improving Simulation Scale and Performance. To appear in ACM Transactions on Modeling and Computer Simulation (TOMACS), April 2004. [2] Kevin Walsh, Emin Gun Sirer. Staged Simulation for Improving the Scale and Performance of Wireless Network Simulations. In Procedings of the Winter Simulation Conference, New Orleans, LA, December 2003. _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 18 02:59:10 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA01357 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtMbR-0006wg-CC for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:58:42 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1I7wfEG026692 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:58:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtMbP-0006wR-Pt for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:58:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA01348 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtMbL-0004KB-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:58:36 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtMaP-0004I5-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:57:38 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtMZm-0004G8-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:56:58 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtMZo-0006i3-Rm; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:57:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AtMZX-0006hT-40 for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:56:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA01321 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtMZT-0004FE-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:56:39 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AtMYf-0004Cg-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:55:49 -0500 Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AtMXk-00046U-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:54:52 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HT900GB2SMMD1@mailout1.samsung.com> for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:54:22 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HT900L1NSLWWY@mailout1.samsung.com> for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:53:57 +0900 (KST) Received: from Shubhranshu ([75.2.47.220]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0HT900BU7SLWK1@mmp1.samsung.com> for ans-research@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:53:56 +0900 (KST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:53:55 -0800 From: Shubhranshu Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting To: "Sukanta K. Hazra" , Elizabeth Belding-Royer Cc: ans-research@ietf.org Reply-to: Shubhranshu Message-id: <00f001c3f682$da8c3930$dc2f024b@Shubhranshu> Organization: Samsung MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1075844405.24420.349.camel@yosemite.cs.ucsb.edu> <20040212062055.GA20593@i2r.a-star.edu.sg> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I think its too late to think about having ANS *official* meeting during this IETF meeting, starting on 29th this month. But I do have few issues to discuss with ANS guys/chairs regarding new charter and ANS group's internet drafts. I am sure you too have few issues. So plz let us know who all are coming to attend this IETF meeting so that we can try to have *non-official* discussion, say during long -coffee break :-) Thank you Shubhranshu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sukanta K. Hazra" To: "Elizabeth Belding-Royer" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting > Hi! > > Could we try to coincide the ANS meetings with the IETF meetings. How > many would be interested in this? > > - Sukanta > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Belding-Royer " > Date: Wed, 04 Feb, 2004 05:40 SGT > Subject: [Ans-research] Next ANS Meeting > > > Hi, > > > > >From the feedback I received, it does not seem that WCNC > > is a good venue for our next meeting. In that case, we > > will probably shoot for Mobisys, which is in Boston in > > June. Since that leaves us with 6 months between meetings, > > let's see if we can use the mailing list efficiently between > > now and then to make progress. The first item is getting > > feedback on the proposed new charter, as mentioned in the > > email Scott just sent. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ans-research mailing list > > Ans-research@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research > > -- > Sukanta K. Hazra > Institute for Infocomm Research > Tel: +65 6874-1953 Fax: +65 6776-8109 > Homepage: http://www1.i2r.a-star.edu.sg/~sukanta/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ans-research mailing list > Ans-research@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research > _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Feb 23 07:25:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA21524 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvF9I-0002Ap-82 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:25:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1NCPOor008351 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:25:24 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvF9I-0002Ac-4P for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:25:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA21503 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvF9H-0004wp-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:25:23 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AvF8M-0004sS-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:24:27 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvF7x-0004nz-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:24:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvF7w-0001xI-92; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:24:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvF77-0001ol-TU for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:23:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA21439 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvF77-0004mv-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:23:09 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AvF6E-0004kJ-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:22:15 -0500 Received: from gemini.rz.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.246.16] helo=mail.rz.uni-ulm.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvF5W-0004hG-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:21:30 -0500 Received: from informatik.uni-ulm.de (G76e1.g.pppool.de [80.185.118.225]) by mail.rz.uni-ulm.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1NCLSur012833 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:21:28 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <4039F054.10206@informatik.uni-ulm.de> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:21:40 +0100 From: Frank Kargl Organization: University of Ulm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: de-de, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ans-research@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-DCC-Etherboy-Metrics: gemini 1002; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail.rz.uni-ulm.de id i1NCLSur012833 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Ans-research] CfP Wireless Personal Area and Ad-hoc Networks Minitrack at HICSS-38 Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please accept our apologies if you receive this CfP multiple times. CALL FOR PAPERS Wireless Personal Area and Ad-hoc Networks Part of the Software Technologies Track Thirty-eighth Annual HAWAI'I INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON SYSTEM SCIENCES January 3 - 6, 2005 Hilton Waikoloa Village Resort on the Big Island of Hawaii Additional detail may be found on HICSS primary web site: http://www.hicss.hawaii.edu Mirror sites: http://hicss.sepa.tudelft.nl/ and http://www.is.cityu.edu.hk/hicss/ Minitrack web site: http://crystal.uta.edu/~zaruba/hicss38/ MINITRACK CO-CHAIRS Dr. Frank Kargl, University of Ulm, Germany (frank.kargl@informatik.uni-ulm.edu) Dr. Elaine Lawrence, University of Technology, Sydney (elaine@it.uts.edu.au) Prof. Gergely Z=E1ruba, University of Texas at Arlington, USA (zaruba@uta.edu) SCOPE OF MINITRACK This minitrack will cover both the area of Wireless Personal Area Networks (WPANs) and Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANETs). Wireless personal area networks (WPANs) are short to very short- range wireless networks that can be used to exchange information between devices in the reach of a person. WPANs can be used to replace cables between computers and their peripherals, to establish communities helping people do their everyday chores making them more productive, or to establish location aware services. Today PDAs, phones, laptops include WPAN technology and it is predicted that the number of small WPAN enabled devices (e.g., pens, cameras, headsets, various sensors) will soon outnumber the computers on the Internet. A typical example of a WPAN technology is Bluetooth. Research work in the recent years (incl. the one published as part of former WPAN minitracks at HICSS) shows, that there are numerous interesting new application ideas but also a number of unresolved technical issues (such as speeding up the inquiry process, efficient Scatternet routing, etc). The IEEE 802 committee has also realized the importance of short- range wireless networking and initiated the establishment of the IEEE 802.15 working group to standardize protocols and interfaces for wireless personal area networking. Today, WPAN research covers a very broad area, starting from technical issues like automatic formation of networks or security issues and going up all the stack to the question what kind of applications will be used in WPANs. The construction of more complex networks using WPAN technology leads to the second topic of our minitrack: Mobile Ad-hoc Networks. Whereas the idea of creating infrastructure-less mobile networks dates back into the seventies (e.g. the PRNET experiment) and to early experiments in the military sector it is not until the nineties that this form of networks received a significant attention in the research community. The initial but still ongoing works focused on developing different routing protocols for MANETs, like AODV, DSR, OLSR and many more. Later other aspects of MANETs were included, like security, quality of service, and applications. Today research in ad-hoc networks gathers mostly around the IETF MANET working group, continuing the research in routing protocols, and the IRTF ANS research group, focusing in the scalability of ad hoc networks. Today ad hoc networks are one of the most active research fields in the area of wireless networking. In addition to the question on how routing in MANETs should be organized, a lot of surrounding issues regarding MANETs are not yet resolved (like security, QoS, scalability issues, application scenarios, etc.). Another key issue is the inter-working of wireless technologies to create heterogeneous wireless networks. For instance, WPANs, WLANs and MANETs will enable an extension of the third generation (3G) cellular networks (i.e., UMTS and cdma2000) into devices without direct cellular access thus pointing towards next generation wireless networking. Moreover, devices interconnected in a WPAN may form larger MANETs or may be able to utilize a combination of 3G access and WLAN access by selecting the access that is best for the moment. In such networks 3G, WLAN, MANET and WPAN technologies do not compete against each other but enable the user to select the best connectivity for his/her purposes. Our goal is to bring together leading researchers in the two fields of research in order to present new results and discuss synergies between the two areas. Areas of interest include but are not limited to: * Bluetooth based networks (e.g. Inquiry, Scatternet-Routing, Profiles, Applications, etc.) * Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (e.g. Routing, Scalability, Address-Assignment, ...) * Performance evaluations * Security issues * Privacy and Legal Issues * Service discovery and usage * Interoperability between different wireless networking technologies and heterogeneous wireless infrastructures * Applications * New forms of communications in WPANs and MANETs (e.g. using the P2P paradigm in MANETs) IMPORTANT DEADLINES March 31, 2004 Authors contact Minitrack Chairs for guidance and indication of appropriate content. (Optional) June 15, 2004 Authors submit full papers to the appropriate Minitrack following format and submission instructions on the web site. August 15, 2004 Minitrack Chairs send Acceptance/Rejection notices to Authors. October 1, 2004 Authors submit Final Version of paper electronically to publisher. At least one author of each paper must register by this date to attend the conference to present the paper. December 1, 2004 Deadline to guarantee your hotel room reservation at the conference rate. INSTRUCTIONS FOR PAPER SUBMISSION * HICSS papers must contain original material not previously published, or currently submitted elsewhere. * Consult the conference website for the listing and description of Minitracks for HICSS-38. * (optional) Contact the Minitrack Chair(s) by email for guidance and verification of appropriate content. * Do not submit the manuscript to more than one Minitrack Chair. If unsure of which Minitrack is appropriate, submit abstract to the Track Chair for guidance. * Submit your full paper according to the detailed formatting and submission instructions found on the HICSS website. Note: All papers will be submitted in double column publication format and limited to 10 pages including diagrams and references. HICSS-38 CONFERENCE TRACKS * Collaboration Systems and Technology - Co-Chair: Jay Nunamaker; E-mail: jnunamaker@cmi.arizona.edu; Co-Chair: Robert O. Briggs; E-mail: bob@GroupSystems.com * Complex Systems - Chair: Robert Thomas; E-mail: rjt1@cornell.edu * Decision Technologies for Management - Chair: Dan Dolk; E-mail: drdolk@nps.navy.mil * Digital Documents and the Media - Chair: Michael Shepherd; E-mail: shepherd@cs.cal.ca * Emerging Technologies - Chair: Ralph H. Sprague; E-mail: sprague@hawaii.edu * Information Technology in Health Care - Chair: William Chismar; E-mail: chismar@cba.hawaii.edu * Internet & the Digital Economy - Co-Chair: David King; E-mail: david.king@jda.com Co-Chair: Alan Dennis; E-mail: ardennis@indiana.edu * Organizational Systems & Technology - Chair: Hugh Watson; Email: hwatson@terry.uga.edu * Software Technology - Chair: Gul Agha; E-mail: agha@cs.uiuc.edu HICSS conferences are devoted to advances in the information, computer, and system sciences, and encompass developments in both theory and practice. Invited papers may be theoretical, conceptual, tutorial or descriptive in nature. Submissions undergo a peer referee process and those selected for presentation will be published in the Conference Proceedings. Submissions must not have been previously published. For the latest information; visit the HICSS web site at: http://www.hicss.hawaii.edu or the mirror sites : http://hicss.sepa.tudelft.nl/ and http://www.is.cityu.edu.hk/hicss/ CONFERENCE ADMINISTRATION Ralph Sprague, Conference Chair Email: sprague@hawaii.edu Sandra Laney, Conference Administrator Email: hicss@hawaii.edu Eileen Robichaud Dennis, Track Administrator Email: eidennis@indiana.edu 2005 CONFERENCE VENUE Hilton Waikoloa Village (on the Big Island of Hawaii) 425 Waikoloa Beach Drive Waikoloa, Hawaii 96738 Tel: 1-808-886-1234 Fax: 1-808-886-2900 www.hiltonwaikoloavillage.com --=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Frank Kargl Multimedia Computing/University of Ulm/Germany http://medien.informatik.uni-ulm.de/~frank/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Use the SOURCE, Luke ! I feel a great disturbance in the SOURCE. But beware of the Microsoft side of the SOURCE ! _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Feb 28 07:10:32 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14365 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ax3IC-0007mx-UQ for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:10:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1SCA4Wo029932 for ans-research-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:10:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ax3IC-0007mh-OI for ans-research-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:10:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14338 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ax3I8-0005MC-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:10:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ax3H9-0005GJ-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:09:00 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ax3G9-00056B-00 for ans-research-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:07:57 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ax3GC-0007fm-HF; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:08:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1At8Z5-0002tM-H8 for ans-research@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:59:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA16848 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1At8Z4-0005N4-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:59:18 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1At8Y4-0005Ed-00 for ans-research@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:58:17 -0500 Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu ([128.84.154.10]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1At8X7-00058x-00; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from sundial.cs.cornell.edu (sundial.cs.cornell.edu [128.84.96.115]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.11.7-20031020/8.11.7/R-3.10) with ESMTP id i1HGvFc17773; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from zinger.cs.cornell.edu (zinger.cs.cornell.edu [128.84.96.55]) by sundial.cs.cornell.edu (8.11.7-20031020/8.11.7/M-3.12a) with ESMTP id i1HGvEB17309; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from egs@localhost) by zinger.cs.cornell.edu (8.11.7-20031020/8.11.7/C-3.4) id i1HGvEV15254; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200402171657.i1HGvEV15254@zinger.cs.cornell.edu> To: ans-research@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, adhoc@n0rg.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:57:13 -0500 (EDT) From: "Emin Gun Sirer" Cc: magnetos@cs.cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Ans-research] SNS release v0.1 - Scalable Network Simulator Sender: ans-research-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ans-research-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ans-research@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Ad hoc Network Scaling Research List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We are writing to announce the public release of SNS v0.1, a Staged Network Simulator, designed for efficient simulation of large-scale wireless networks. SNS derives its performance and scale through "staged simulation" [1,2]. Staged simulation is a new technique for reducing redundant computations commonly encountered in wireless network simulations. Simulations often exhibit redundancy, both within a single run as well as across a batch of runs with similar scenarios. The core behind staging is to compute expensive functions once, cache the results, and reuse them whenever possible. Since most computations in a traditional wireless simulator are directly or indirectly dependent on simulation time and provide little opportunity for reuse, staging proposes accuracy-preserving transformations to restructure the internal events in a simulator to break this dependency & expose and eliminate the redundant computations. These transformations include currying, incremental-computation, computing auxiliary results and time-shifting, and are documented in our papers. The end result is a simulator where basic, expensive operations, such as neighborhood computations, can be cached and reused without having to be computed from scratch. SNS is a branch off of the ns2 code base (version 2.1b9 with CMU Monarch extensions), where we replaced the guts of the simulator, including the event scheduler, to perform staging while we preserved the public ns2 interface. As a result, legacy code written for ns2 in C++ and Tcl continues to work on SNS, though faster and at higher scales. SNS can store the results of past computations on disk and reuse them across different runs of the simulator - a feature we found to be very useful when performing simulations in batches. Staging yields significant gains in both simulation performance and scale. Whereas stock ns2, under commonly-used ad hoc networking setups with N nodes, scales as O(N^2), SNS's execution time scales with O(N). On our test platform (1.8 GHz Intel Xeon with 6 GB RAM), this translates to a ~50-fold speedup for a 1500 node network, where the execution time improves from 32 hours to 37 minutes. SNS is free and can be downloaded from: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/egs/sns/ Hope this is a useful tool for your research. When referring to SNS, please cite our TOMACS paper instead of the earlier WSC paper. Gun & Kevin. -- [1] Kevin Walsh, Emin Gun Sirer. Staged Simulation: A General Technique for Improving Simulation Scale and Performance. To appear in ACM Transactions on Modeling and Computer Simulation (TOMACS), April 2004. [2] Kevin Walsh, Emin Gun Sirer. Staged Simulation for Improving the Scale and Performance of Wireless Network Simulations. In Procedings of the Winter Simulation Conference, New Orleans, LA, December 2003. _______________________________________________ Ans-research mailing list Ans-research@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ans-research