From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 1 09:52:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C15B3A6F02; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2C73A6EF9 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bDkoP62r7yf7 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laweleka.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30223A6EF5 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) by laweleka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8861421FD; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from laweleka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qNDZP5MtV3Uz; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [74.95.2.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by laweleka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E851421F6; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5DF7EC03-DC33-42D6-9FB6-96BEE296E7A1@osafoundation.org> From: Lisa Dusseault To: Apps Discuss , Lisa Dusseault's Chairs Subject: Lisa's Apps Area Activity for April Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:52:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0234767387==" Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0234767387== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--574671697; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-7--574671697 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--574671711 --Apple-Mail-6--574671711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Highlights: Deadline for suggesting BOFs for Dublin coming up in early June. Even better, discuss with your ADs before then. Some talk about ESDS BOF #2, MORG BOF, and possibly XMPPEXT BOF if volunteers to coordinate are found. Document Status and Progress Active Documents: my action - draft-ellermann-news-nntp-uri (Proposed Standard): IESG Evaluation completed with a couple open issues - draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent (Proposed Standard): Last call finished, need to work with authors on input & next steps Stalled, in review, waiting on other: - draft-freed-sieve-date-index (Proposed Standard): In Last Call - draft-ietf-sieve-editheader (Proposed Standard): In Last Call - draft-monrad-sipping-3gpp-urn-namespace (Informational): In Last Call - draft-resnick-2822upd (Draft Standard): In IETF Last Call - draft-snell-atompub-bidi (Proposed Standard): in IETF Last Call - draft-klensin-rfc2821bis (Draft Standard): On IESG agenda for May 8. - draft-ietf-eai-dsn (Experimental): Finished IETF Last Call, waiting on sibling documents - draft-ietf-sieve-notify-mailto: Finished IETF Last Call, IANA has issues - draft-adolf-dvb-urn (Informational): Needs new version to address incomplete information about URN resolution Finished Processing -- new in RFC Ed queue and new RFCs - draft-ietf-sieve-body (Proposed Standard): Now in RFC Queue - RFC 5165, was draft-creed-ogc-urn (Informational): A Uniform Resource Name (URN) Namespace for the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) WG Status CALSIFY: Little activity, but author preparing next version of RFC 2446 bis. HTTPBIS: See summary of activity: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2008AprJun/0230.html IMAPEXT: In FIN-WAIT SIEVE: Finishing a few documents: WGLC on a Lemonade doc, discussion USEFOR: No activity. --Apple-Mail-6--574671711 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Deadline for = suggesting BOFs for Dublin coming up in early June.  Even better, = discuss with your ADs before then.
Some talk = about ESDS BOF #2, MORG BOF, and possibly XMPPEXT BOF if volunteers to = coordinate are found.  
Document Status and = Progress

Active Documents: my action
 - draft-ellermann-news-nntp-uri (Proposed = Standard): IESG Evaluation completed with a couple open issues
 - draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent (Proposed = Standard): Last call finished, need to work with authors on input & = next steps
Stalled, in review, waiting on = other:
 - = draft-monrad-sipping-3gpp-urn-namespace (Informational): In Last = Call
 - = draft-ietf-sieve-notify-mailto:  Finished IETF Last Call, IANA has = issues 
 - draft-adolf-dvb-urn (Informational): = Needs new version to address incomplete information about URN = resolution

Finished Processing -- new in RFC Ed queue and = new RFCs
- RFC 5165, = was draft-creed-ogc-urn (Informational):
 A Uniform Resource Name = (URN) Namespace for the
Open = Geospatial Consortium (OGC)


WG Status
  = CALSIFY: Little activity, but author preparing next version of RFC 2446 = bis.
  IMAPEXT: In = FIN-WAIT
  SIEVE: Finishing a = few documents: WGLC on a Lemonade doc, discussion 
  USEFOR: No activity. =  
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:19:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Cc: Chris Newman X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough schedule that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for interoperability testing get-togethers. If anybody is interested in organizing such a get-together in Dublin, please let us know or start looking for participants. We need to know as soon as the agenda arrangement begins, so the firm deadline for interop scheduling suggestions is May 26, the same deadline as for WG meeting scheduling. Lisa _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue May 13 09:54:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E43A6C54; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186733A6C4F for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:53:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.126 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.126 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.473, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S6fLwgtJB9CG for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7A93A6C69 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m4DGoh57011739; Tue, 13 May 2008 19:51:02 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 May 2008 19:50:45 +0300 Received: from [192.168.255.2] ([10.241.184.208]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 May 2008 19:50:44 +0300 Message-Id: <704A9CFE-CD19-4C61-89AD-A2674E995821@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: "ext Lisa Dusseault" In-Reply-To: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Interop slots? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:50:37 +0300 References: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 16:50:44.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C8722A0:01C8B519] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: Chris Newman , Lisa Dusseault's Chairs , apps-discuss@ietf.org, chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, On 2008-5-13, at 19:19, ext Lisa Dusseault wrote: > Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough schedule > that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for interoperability > testing get-togethers. can you really get any serious testing done during a regular meeting slot? The longest is 2.5 hours. In the past, we've simply asked the secretariat nicely if they happened to have a spare room on Saturday, Sunday or Friday that we could get for a full day... Lars _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue May 13 10:04:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24563A6C4D; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCA03A67F1 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:03:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kb2lClOQYeaW for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C013A65A5 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=hardie@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1210698096; x=1242234096; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:to: from:subject:cc:content-type:x-ironport-av; z=MIME-Version:=201.0|Message-ID:=20|In-Reply-To:=20<704A9CFE-CD19-4C61-89AD- A2674E995821@nokia.com>|References:=20<61FAFCEB-D154-45AE -B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org>=0D=0A=20<704A9CFE-C D19-4C61-89AD-A2674E995821@nokia.com>|Date:=20Tue,=2013 =20May=202008=2009:58:09=20-0700|To:=20Lars=20Eggert=20,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20ext =20Lisa=20Dusseault=0D=0A=09 |From:=20Ted=20Hardie=20|Subject:=20 Re:=20Interop=20slots?|CC:=20Chris=20Newman=20,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20"Lisa=20Dusseau lt's=20Chairs"=0D=0A=09,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20"apps-discuss@ietf.org "=0D=0A=09,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20"chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org"=0D=0A=09|Content-Type:=20text/pl ain=3B=20charset=3D"us-ascii"|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee =3Bi=3D"5100,188,5294"=3B=20a=3D"2909109"; bh=uwoVRUTy02a8ucPCbav4QqX0WzAz3Xw9mpaOLPWT1Y8=; b=GpG6LnQuqJ/SgeRnyUTxDR9NVo3nmtn4trTobtxMbs38G//IlaLOjxIO NABtYecC2B6fRjbVZoDtXiJqWv2thEbWGQwJCgiaFtq2D56uNugVEFoOb JbEeaaUpuMi282xhemUr7saTx9TYi78vwFlzQaXeOP2aAMhryvYv9KM8k A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5100,188,5294"; a="2909109" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 13 May 2008 09:58:13 -0700 Received: from hamtaro.qualcomm.com (hamtaro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.157]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m4DGwD9F031715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:58:13 -0700 Received: from nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com (nasanexhc03.na.qualcomm.com [172.30.33.34]) by hamtaro.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m4DGwCE2006141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.4.239.115] (129.46.226.27) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.33.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.263.0; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:58:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <704A9CFE-CD19-4C61-89AD-A2674E995821@nokia.com> References: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> <704A9CFE-CD19-4C61-89AD-A2674E995821@nokia.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:58:09 -0700 To: Lars Eggert , ext Lisa Dusseault From: Ted Hardie Subject: Re: Interop slots? Cc: Lisa Dusseault's Chairs , Chris Newman , "chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org At 9:50 AM -0700 5/13/08, Lars Eggert wrote: >Hi, > >On 2008-5-13, at 19:19, ext Lisa Dusseault wrote: >> Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough schedule >> that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for interoperability >> testing get-togethers. > >can you really get any serious testing done during a regular meeting >slot? The longest is 2.5 hours. > >In the past, we've simply asked the secretariat nicely if they >happened to have a spare room on Saturday, Sunday or Friday that we >could get for a full day... > >Lars >_____________ Short answer: sure, as a lot of the real work in any interop is done long before the meeting and in the private interactions that occur as follow-up among participants that met at an interop. You may want to ask the secretariat, though, if you can glom together multiple slots, so that you can get more than one slot in a row for any takers. If the agenda for APPs is really light, that may well not be a problem. Just my opinion, of course, Ted _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue May 13 14:54:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417CF3A6959; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBA83A6964 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id agPyL8AIyEfO for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laweleka.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863763A6954 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) by laweleka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E8C14220C; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from laweleka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AYy-oSzXU+el; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [74.95.2.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by laweleka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AD114220D; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6C137EF7-CD30-4E01-BC3F-CA43D2FA95AD@osafoundation.org> From: Lisa Dusseault To: Ted Hardie In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Interop slots? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:25:57 -0700 References: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> <704A9CFE-CD19-4C61-89AD-A2674E995821@nokia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Cc: Lisa Dusseault's Chairs , Chris Newman , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , "chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org To agree with Lars as well as Ted: yes, we were thinking of asking the Secretariat for a room all day Wednesday to cover all the slots that day and have no other Apps meetings that day. Wednesday would be a day where an interop/meeting attendee could easily attend a Monday meeting and the interop, while another attendee could attend a Friday meeting and the interop -- hopefully easier for people to plan and justify travel. All this depends on what kind of interop organization we see -- what kind of attendance would be expected, how much time needed, what regular WG meeting (if any) is most closely related to the interop topic(s). Lisa On May 13, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Ted Hardie wrote: > At 9:50 AM -0700 5/13/08, Lars Eggert wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2008-5-13, at 19:19, ext Lisa Dusseault wrote: >>> Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough >>> schedule >>> that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for >>> interoperability >>> testing get-togethers. >> >> can you really get any serious testing done during a regular meeting >> slot? The longest is 2.5 hours. >> >> In the past, we've simply asked the secretariat nicely if they >> happened to have a spare room on Saturday, Sunday or Friday that we >> could get for a full day... >> >> Lars >> _____________ > > Short answer: sure, as a lot of the real work in any interop is done > long > before the meeting and in the private interactions that occur as > follow-up > among participants that met at an interop. > > You may want to ask the secretariat, though, if you can glom together > multiple slots, so that you can get more than one slot in a row for > any > takers. If the agenda for APPs is really light, that may well not > be a problem. > > Just my opinion, of course, > Ted _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 14 09:24:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FA33A682A; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:24:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9E63A682A for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:24:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TrJSwu4JEZxW for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeke.ecotroph.net (zeke.ecotroph.net [70.164.19.155]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE5C3A67F7 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beethoven.local ([::ffff:209.183.196.229]) (AUTH: PLAIN leslie, SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by zeke.ecotroph.net with esmtp; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:10:55 -0400 id 015A47BA.482B0F0F.000066D9 Message-ID: <482B0F3F.1050107@thinkingcat.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:11:43 -0400 From: Leslie Daigle User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault Subject: Re: Interop slots? References: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> <704A9CFE-CD19-4C61-89AD-A2674E995821@nokia.com> <6C137EF7-CD30-4E01-BC3F-CA43D2FA95AD@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <6C137EF7-CD30-4E01-BC3F-CA43D2FA95AD@osafoundation.org> Cc: Chris Newman , Lisa Dusseault's Chairs , "chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Not that I have any software to suggest for interop testing, but a thought occurs: since there will be v6 (-only) network available, perhaps having some of this focused on application v6 enablement testing? Leslie. Lisa Dusseault wrote: > To agree with Lars as well as Ted: yes, we were thinking of asking > the Secretariat for a room all day Wednesday to cover all the slots > that day and have no other Apps meetings that day. Wednesday would be > a day where an interop/meeting attendee could easily attend a Monday > meeting and the interop, while another attendee could attend a Friday > meeting and the interop -- hopefully easier for people to plan and > justify travel. > > All this depends on what kind of interop organization we see -- what > kind of attendance would be expected, how much time needed, what > regular WG meeting (if any) is most closely related to the interop > topic(s). > > Lisa > > On May 13, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Ted Hardie wrote: > >> At 9:50 AM -0700 5/13/08, Lars Eggert wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 2008-5-13, at 19:19, ext Lisa Dusseault wrote: >>>> Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough >>>> schedule >>>> that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for >>>> interoperability >>>> testing get-togethers. >>> can you really get any serious testing done during a regular meeting >>> slot? The longest is 2.5 hours. >>> >>> In the past, we've simply asked the secretariat nicely if they >>> happened to have a spare room on Saturday, Sunday or Friday that we >>> could get for a full day... >>> >>> Lars >>> _____________ >> Short answer: sure, as a lot of the real work in any interop is done >> long >> before the meeting and in the private interactions that occur as >> follow-up >> among participants that met at an interop. >> >> You may want to ask the secretariat, though, if you can glom together >> multiple slots, so that you can get more than one slot in a row for >> any >> takers. If the agenda for APPs is really light, that may well not >> be a problem. >> >> Just my opinion, of course, >> Ted > > _______________________________________________ > Apps-Discuss mailing list > Apps-Discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Reality: Yours to discover." -- ThinkingCat Leslie Daigle leslie@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 14 09:39:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD383A67F7; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CF33A67A8 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1xeBeO9nPjD for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boole.openldap.org (boole.openldap.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:ba:2e0:18ff:fe02:efec]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B733A67F7 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.198] (75-141-230-206.dhcp.nv.charter.com [75.141.230.206] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by boole.openldap.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4EGdKFS026115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 14 May 2008 16:39:26 GMT (envelope-from Kurt.Zeilenga@Isode.com) Message-Id: <48008757-2CE8-409E-9891-E9351CE5B902@Isode.com> From: Kurt Zeilenga To: Lisa Dusseault In-Reply-To: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Interop slots? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:39:11 -0700 References: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Cc: Chris Newman , Lisa Dusseault's Chairs , apps-discuss@ietf.org, chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I can organize some LDAP and/or SASL (in various apps protocol) testing. I'll ping these communities and get back to you before the cut-off. -- Kurt On May 13, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Lisa Dusseault wrote: > > Hi, > > Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough schedule > that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for interoperability > testing get-togethers. > > If anybody is interested in organizing such a get-together in Dublin, > please let us know or start looking for participants. We need to know > as soon as the agenda arrangement begins, so the firm deadline for > interop scheduling suggestions is May 26, the same deadline as for WG > meeting scheduling. > > Lisa > _______________________________________________ > Apps-Discuss mailing list > Apps-Discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 15 04:26:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FAC3A697C; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:26:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C823A697C for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FCqpxIXB9nNY for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649563A6A6C for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.157] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:26:18 +0100 Message-ID: <482C1DCC.1090301@isode.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:26:04 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Leslie Daigle Subject: Re: Interop slots? References: <61FAFCEB-D154-45AE-B813-D49FB3837F3E@osafoundation.org> <704A9CFE-CD19-4C61-89AD-A2674E995821@nokia.com> <6C137EF7-CD30-4E01-BC3F-CA43D2FA95AD@osafoundation.org> <482B0F3F.1050107@thinkingcat.com> In-Reply-To: <482B0F3F.1050107@thinkingcat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Lisa Dusseault's Chairs , Chris Newman , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , "chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Leslie Daigle wrote: >Not that I have any software to suggest for interop testing, but a >thought occurs: since there will be v6 (-only) network available, >perhaps having some of this focused on application v6 enablement testing? > > I think there are several IPv6 capable Lemonade (IMAP) servers, so we can try to do that. >Leslie. > >Lisa Dusseault wrote: > > >>To agree with Lars as well as Ted: yes, we were thinking of asking >>the Secretariat for a room all day Wednesday to cover all the slots >>that day and have no other Apps meetings that day. Wednesday would be >>a day where an interop/meeting attendee could easily attend a Monday >>meeting and the interop, while another attendee could attend a Friday >>meeting and the interop -- hopefully easier for people to plan and >>justify travel. >> >>All this depends on what kind of interop organization we see -- what >>kind of attendance would be expected, how much time needed, what >>regular WG meeting (if any) is most closely related to the interop >>topic(s). >> >>Lisa >> >>On May 13, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Ted Hardie wrote: >> >> >> >>>At 9:50 AM -0700 5/13/08, Lars Eggert wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>On 2008-5-13, at 19:19, ext Lisa Dusseault wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough >>>>>schedule >>>>>that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for >>>>>interoperability >>>>>testing get-togethers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>can you really get any serious testing done during a regular meeting >>>>slot? The longest is 2.5 hours. >>>> >>>>In the past, we've simply asked the secretariat nicely if they >>>>happened to have a spare room on Saturday, Sunday or Friday that we >>>>could get for a full day... >>>> >>>>Lars >>>>_____________ >>>> >>>> >>>Short answer: sure, as a lot of the real work in any interop is done >>>long >>>before the meeting and in the private interactions that occur as >>>follow-up >>>among participants that met at an interop. >>> >>>You may want to ask the secretariat, though, if you can glom together >>>multiple slots, so that you can get more than one slot in a row for >>>any >>>takers. If the agenda for APPs is really light, that may well not >>>be a problem. >>> >>>Just my opinion, of course, >>> Ted >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Apps-Discuss mailing list >>Apps-Discuss@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 15 10:16:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D469A3A6818; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0DE8F3A69BB; Tue, 13 May 2008 18:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Old-Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A483A68DB for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:34:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vkZVldeOhCxj for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BA53A688E for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zps38.corp.google.com (zps38.corp.google.com [172.25.146.38]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id m4DHgcHX026622; Tue, 13 May 2008 18:42:38 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1210700559; bh=NR97A9joxHWOICbYg1kagZMWEpw=; h=DomainKey-Signature:Content-class:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-MimeOLE:Subject:Date:Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:Thread-Topic:thread-index: From:To:Cc; b=cTR1v0NLInwOKzICmTqD64qvl7i1UTEAcY18kaLLIEx6U0VwAtM+ EYI4MZ1RSYqDIBZQESnRde8L86pEY87CNw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:content-class:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:x-mimeole:subject:date:message-id:x-ms-has-attach: x-ms-tnef-correlator:thread-topic:thread-index:from:to:cc; b=JU0XiBMM3fFgv/BupKTpid5SuDL2oInFSekKtZhbgvoFK+a3tVqsY0+/tZ7o+nlsS Xg+ZZgKnGlFIXhUHG+YsA== Received: from mtv-exbe-4.corp.google.com (mtv-exbe-4.mtv.corp.google.com [172.25.44.140]) by zps38.corp.google.com with ESMTP id m4DHgadZ028501; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:42:37 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: Re: Interop slots? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:42:36 -0700 Message-ID: <11BE6D2F28E44C439000AEA496641727011EE878@mtv-exbe-4.corp.google.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Interop slots? thread-index: Aci1FYSaASKabQp2R7OBBWlQ/q6r/AACzQJM From: "Vint Cerf" To: , , , X-TMDA-Confirmed: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:42:08 -0700 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:16:55 -0700 Cc: Chris.Newman@Sun.COM X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Great idea! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Dusseault To: Lisa Dusseault's Chairs ; chris-newman-chairs@tools.ietf.org ; apps-discuss@ietf.org Cc: Chris Newman Sent: Tue May 13 09:19:44 2008 Subject: Interop slots? Hi, Chris & I find that the Applications Area has a light enough schedule that we could set aside some meeting slots purely for interoperability testing get-togethers. If anybody is interested in organizing such a get-together in Dublin, please let us know or start looking for participants. We need to know as soon as the agenda arrangement begins, so the firm deadline for interop scheduling suggestions is May 26, the same deadline as for WG meeting scheduling. Lisa _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss From apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 15 10:16:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27B33A6895; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0B73A67D8 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 02:32:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "Message-ID" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YzIcsEVM+L3R for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 02:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B25963A67A2 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 02:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (eyou send program); Wed, 14 May 2008 17:26:06 +0800 Message-ID: <410757166.30998@cnnic.cn> X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: lee@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown (HELO [156.106.219.64]) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:26:06 +0800 Message-ID: <482AB02F.5070706@cnnic.cn> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:26:07 +0800 From: =?UTF-8?B?WGlhb2RvbmcgTGVlL+adjuaZk+S4nA==?= Organization: CNNIC User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault Subject: Re: Interop slots? 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