From architecture-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 24 17:07:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcTTc-0005Qk-HZ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:06:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcShe-0001WT-BW for architecture-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:16:50 -0400 Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcShX-0007Db-8Y for architecture-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:16:50 -0400 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9OKGbwD031387; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:16:37 -0700 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.12.11/Submit) id k9OKGHlP031386; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:16:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:16:16 -0700 From: David Meyer To: Dorian Kim Message-ID: <20061024201616.GA31322@1-4-5.net> References: <4B91E89056EE014A8F1AA3FB8648A0CA4D835F@idc1exc0002.corp.global.level3.com> <20061024045747.GA26917@vaf-lnx1.cisco.com> <20061024143219.GA18785@1-4-5.net> <20061024184614.GD3778@blackrose.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20061024184614.GD3778@blackrose.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:06:23 -0400 Cc: jason.schiller@mci.com, "El-Aawar, Nasser" , architecture-discuss@ietf.org, Tony Li , Jared Mauch , Alain Durand , "Amante, Shane" , Ed Kern , vijay gill , Peter Lothberg , David Kessens Subject: [arch-d] Re: Notes From Monday Nights Meeting X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1673090960==" Errors-To: architecture-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1673090960== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [cc'ing architecture-discuss@ietf.org in an attempt to get that going...] On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 02:46:14PM -0400, Dorian Kim wrote: > On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 07:32:21AM -0700, David Meyer wrote: > > > > There was also talk on WG being chartered to attack the problem rig= ht > > > > away, etc... but it is still too early for that IMO. > >=20 > > Totally too early. I'm not even sure a WG is the right > > thing (other options include design teams, etc). >=20 > It seems to me that process queestion of IETF are orthogonal to what > we should be doing. Agreed. > We should proceed IMO with working on a solution disregarding the=20 > standards track issues for now. From that perspective, forming a=20 > design team, and/or exploring the boundaries of the solution space=20 > amongst the interested parties here seems like the next step. Makes sense.=20 --dmm --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFPnSQORgD1qCZ2KcRAv+dAJ9oRUmxMVec5AFRxCNVfB3c6tCsAQCdEkF9 OoKs/lTfCJR/3We/rCHcrQQ= =43Ww -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- --===============1673090960== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Architecture-discuss mailing list Architecture-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss --===============1673090960==-- From architecture-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 24 18:04:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcUMZ-0000tk-Dz; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:03:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcUMY-0000tV-2t for architecture-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:03:10 -0400 Received: from m106.maoz.com ([205.167.76.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcUMW-0008Ec-OD for architecture-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:03:10 -0400 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k9OM2k0u006402; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:02:46 -0700 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.8/8.12.11/Submit) id k9OM2k0N006401; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:02:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:02:45 -0700 From: David Meyer To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [arch-d] Re: Notes From Monday Nights Meeting Message-ID: <20061024220245.GA6362@1-4-5.net> References: <4B91E89056EE014A8F1AA3FB8648A0CA4D835F@idc1exc0002.corp.global.level3.com> <20061024045747.GA26917@vaf-lnx1.cisco.com> <20061024143219.GA18785@1-4-5.net> <20061024184614.GD3778@blackrose.org> <20061024201616.GA31322@1-4-5.net> <453E8C31.8000502@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <453E8C31.8000502@piuha.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0524342224==" Errors-To: architecture-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0524342224== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 12:57:05AM +0300, Jari Arkko wrote: > Dave, > > [cc'ing architecture-discuss@ietf.org in an attempt to > > get that going...] > > =20 > People on this list probably need more context > to figure out what problem you are trying > to solve. Yeah, my mistake (and I've had a few private emails to that effect).=20 So just to try to clear that up: I'm hoping we can use this list for discussion of ideas that came out of the IAB workshop on routing and addressing last week, in the hope that we will be reaching a wider and more inclusive audience.=20 ` --dmm =20 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFPo2FORgD1qCZ2KcRAkAwAKCKezt3RYAqqC3x/IXPwpUDa0/ZqACfZqW9 +YmwZe3ZwlaMKULZiTbP6cA= =LpUo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- --===============0524342224== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Architecture-discuss mailing list Architecture-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss --===============0524342224==-- From architecture-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 10:10:55 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcjRc-0000DA-6y; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:09:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcUHS-0003P8-Nq for architecture-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:57:54 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcUHO-0007No-Dc for architecture-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:57:54 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A859898A3; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:57:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A30F8989C; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:57:48 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <453E8C31.8000502@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:57:05 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060921) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Meyer Subject: Re: [arch-d] Re: Notes From Monday Nights Meeting References: <4B91E89056EE014A8F1AA3FB8648A0CA4D835F@idc1exc0002.corp.global.level3.com> <20061024045747.GA26917@vaf-lnx1.cisco.com> <20061024143219.GA18785@1-4-5.net> <20061024184614.GD3778@blackrose.org> <20061024201616.GA31322@1-4-5.net> In-Reply-To: <20061024201616.GA31322@1-4-5.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:09:22 -0400 Cc: "Amante, Shane" , jason.schiller@mci.com, "El-Aawar, Nasser" , Jared Mauch , Tony Li , architecture-discuss@ietf.org, Alain Durand , Ed Kern , Dorian Kim , Peter Lothberg , David Kessens , vijay gill X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: architecture-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Dave, > [cc'ing architecture-discuss@ietf.org in an attempt to > get that going...] > People on this list probably need more context to figure out what problem you are trying to solve. --Jari _______________________________________________ Architecture-discuss mailing list Architecture-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss