From nobody Tue Aug 7 03:14:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291CD130DF5 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2018 03:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btinternet.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H2XyOj28BMmQ for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2018 03:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgout0705.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0705.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.145]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AE2126F72 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2018 03:14:44 -0700 (PDT) X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.13.1 () X-OWM-Env-Sender: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=20/300, class=clean X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtjedrtddtgddtgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucgotffhvedqqdeurggukfhmphhorhhtrghntggvucdlvddtmdenucfjughrpeffhfhrvffkjghfufggtgfgkgfrsehtqhgttddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhllhhirghmpgflpgfiucfqvhgvrhhinhhgthhonhcuoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqeenucfkphepuddtrdduuddtrddufedruddpkeeirdduieelrdeijedrfeelnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopeifvggsmhgrihhlgeehrdgsthdrvgigthdrtghptghlohhuugdrtghordhukhdpihhnvghtpedutddruddutddrudefrddupdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqedprhgtphhtthhopeeorghrtghhihhtvggtthhurhgvqdguihhstghushhssehivghtfhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehirggssehirggsrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeothdvthhrghesihhrthhfrdhorhhgqeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Received: from webmail45.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.13.1) by rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) (authenticated as wjgo_10009@btinternet.com) id 5B5D39BA00B96B2D; Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:14:43 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1533636885; bh=VrvARMaKCAypOL3MFG2PVFhU3BXPhqufryKFgb/CSvw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=K/puWMCtLrIEjF+bsdlzw6RlLYQ9/neRcIP9FMBgBgSgvHKjmaShCZn55HclahLH6O+wj/jz+fZYrXVhnojalfdHz1yfbyUpdOHQKiyHr04qSBPhiaFBQ3kqQDS7kWv1aVUMVKVw2xjDQUEWMVZtnHdJMe4y48PwZo6bdTLbhUc= Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:14:43 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, t2trg@irtf.org Message-ID: <16789877.13873.1533636883722.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <22866176.34913.1533051294104.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <153175124288.21751.4163443271295991984.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2899520.11180.1531820809158.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <3461244.30339.1533047619611.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22866176.34913.1533051294104.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[86.169.67.39] Epoch[1533636883677] Archived-At: Subject: [arch-d] Call for Comment: Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2018 10:14:47 -0000 Hi Suppose please that there are a number of things communicating each with th= e others, using encoded localizable sentences that are language-independent= and manufacturer-independent. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it A, can measure the ambient = temperature and reply. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it B, can measure the ambient = air pressure and reply. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it E, asks A for the temperatu= re at its location. E sends A the following. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 (The English localization is as follows. What is the temperature at your location please?) A recognises the sentence and measures the temperature. A then replies to E as follows, using several localizable sentences and som= e data. The data is the data at the time, so could be different from the va= lue used in this example. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A0=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A6 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2= =E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A7=E2=91=A2 =E2=88=AB= =E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A1 21.3 (The English localization is as follows. The following question has been asked. What is the temperature at your location please? My answer is as follows. The temperature at my location in degrees Celsius is as follows. 21.3 ) Suppose now that E sends B the following. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 (The English localization is as follows. What is the temperature at your location please?) B can measure ambient air pressure, but not temperature. B does not recognise the =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2= =91=A5=E2=91=A0 as B has a list of localizable sentences relevant to its ow= n functions, but does not have a list of every available localizable senten= ce that is in the standardized list. However, B is able to use the following localizable sentence. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1 (The English localization is as follows. I do not have the capability to carry out that request.) So, whenever B does not recognise a localizable sentence that it receives, = B simply copies that localizable sentence from its input buffer and include= s it in a message together with a =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2= =91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1 code. In this particular case that is as follows. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A0=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A6 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2= =E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A7=E2=91=A2 =E2=88=AB= =E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1=20 (The English localization is as follows. The following question has been asked. What is the temperature at your location please? My answer is as follows. I do not have the capability to carry out that request. ) Thus if localizable sentences were to become used for communication between= things and also so that they could also be localized so that a human can m= onitor what is happening in a language of his or her choice, it would not b= e necessary for each thing on the Internet of Things to be able to recognis= e and decode every localizable sentence in the standardization document lis= t of localizable sentences. Only the number of localizable sentences needed= to carry out its functions would need to be recognised by any particular t= hing. However, a monitoring system that could decode any message encoded using an= y of all of the localizable sentence in the standardization document list w= ould need to be capable of recognizing every localizable sentence in the st= andardization document list of localizable sentences. 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Sat, 11 Aug 2018 16:56:18 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1534002979; bh=4Sbu9uDuPTNigYXQJnTmHKKoZxR4QSRqD4oE2+mKi/U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=QWIjMiYsiUNM1uvOhumRygoJ/t29ay1C5DB0xXK5cVIIQUfxW2lImSGCddvKCSk73chHSnDAsY6GSzuVLr3Q0Fewe+JO9in3iL+bdPs5ykXi7XcXq3+vEA7BzJkBk3IZh099WBQajVdL8XGz0zC/wJjJj55Q0IOgjuxGis8VXkk= Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 16:56:18 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: architecture-discuss@ietf.org, t2trg@irtf.org, iab@iab.org Message-ID: <495615.19389.1534002978740.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <16789877.13873.1533636883722.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <153175124288.21751.4163443271295991984.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2899520.11180.1531820809158.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <3461244.30339.1533047619611.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22866176.34913.1533051294104.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <16789877.13873.1533636883722.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Further to the original message. I began researching into communication through the language barrier using e= ncoded localizable sentences some years ago. The research, at that time, was for human to human communication. More recently I have added the concept of using localizable sentences for d= evice to device ("thing to thing") communication within the context of The = Internet of Things to my research. There is also the concept of using local= izable sentences for "human to thing" and for "thing to human" communicatio= n, as well as for a human to be able to monitor "thing to thing" communicat= ion. I write to mention that for some time, since before extending the concept t= o The Internet of Things, I have regarded the collection of encoded localiz= able sentences available for use as being language Y as that enables diagra= ms with notes such as English to Y and Y to French being possible. I have also used x-y as the code for language Y and although that code is a= Private Use code such a Private Use code is allowed. As a language, language Y is rather unusual in that the atomic concept unit= s of language Y are whole, grammatically stand-alone sentences. The use of the term language Y and the code x-y can be useful for clarity o= f explanation in some contexts. William Overington Saturday 11 August 2018 ----Original message---- >From : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com Date : 2018/08/07 - 11:14 (GMTDT) To : architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, t2trg@irtf.org Subject : Call for Comment: <draft-iab-iotsi-workshop-02> Report from= the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 20= 16 Hi Suppose please that there are a number of things communicating each with th= e others, using encoded localizable sentences that are language-independent= and manufacturer-independent. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it A, can measure the ambient = temperature and reply. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it B, can measure the ambient = air pressure and reply. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it E, asks A for the temperatu= re at its location. E sends A the following. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 (The English localization is as follows. What is the temperature at your location please?) A recognises the sentence and measures the temperature. A then replies to E as follows, using several localizable sentences and som= e data. The data is the data at the time, so could be different from the va= lue used in this example. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A0=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A6 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2= =E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A7=E2=91=A2 =E2=88=AB= =E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A1 21.3 (The English localization is as follows. The following question has been asked. What is the temperature at your location please? My answer is as follows. The temperature at my location in degrees Celsius is as follows. 21.3 ) Suppose now that E sends B the following. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 (The English localization is as follows. What is the temperature at your location please?) B can measure ambient air pressure, but not temperature. B does not recognise the =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2= =91=A5=E2=91=A0 as B has a list of localizable sentences relevant to its ow= n functions, but does not have a list of every available localizable senten= ce that is in the standardized list. However, B is able to use the following localizable sentence. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1 (The English localization is as follows. I do not have the capability to carry out that request.) So, whenever B does not recognise a localizable sentence that it receives, = B simply copies that localizable sentence from its input buffer and include= s it in a message together with a =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2= =91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1 code. In this particular case that is as follows. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A0=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A6 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2= =E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A7=E2=91=A2 =E2=88=AB= =E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1=20 (The English localization is as follows. The following question has been asked. What is the temperature at your location please? My answer is as follows. I do not have the capability to carry out that request. ) Thus if localizable sentences were to become used for communication between= things and also so that they could also be localized so that a human can m= onitor what is happening in a language of his or her choice, it would not b= e necessary for each thing on the Internet of Things to be able to recognis= e and decode every localizable sentence in the standardization document lis= t of localizable sentences. Only the number of localizable sentences needed= to carry out its functions would need to be recognised by any particular t= hing. However, a monitoring system that could decode any message encoded using an= y of all of the localizable sentence in the standardization document list w= ould need to be capable of recognizing every localizable sentence in the st= andardization document list of localizable sentences. 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boundary="----=_Part_18691_32377328.1534001581119" X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 2519 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 2519 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 2519 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 2519 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 2519 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: Sent X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: Sent X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: Sent X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: Sent X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: Sent Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[109.149.181.43] Epoch[1534001581120] Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:57:32 -0700 Subject: [arch-d] Call for Comment: Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 15:33:05 -0000 ------=_Part_18691_32377328.1534001581119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Further to my various comments, please find attached a copy of the document= that I wrote explaining the encoding space that I have designed for locali= zable sentences. This document was linked from an earlier comment but is posted here as an a= ttachment so that the availability of the document is permanent and not dep= endent upon the continued existence of the webspace where it is published. The web address of where the document is published is as follows. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/An_encoding_space_designed_for_applic= ation_in_encoding_localizable_sentences.pdf William Overington Saturday 11 August 2018 ----Original message---- >From : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com Date : 2018/08/07 - 11:14 (GMTDT) To : architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, t2trg@irtf.org Subject : Call for Comment: <draft-iab-iotsi-workshop-02> Report from= the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 20= 16 Hi Suppose please that there are a number of things communicating each with th= e others, using encoded localizable sentences that are language-independent= and manufacturer-independent. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it A, can measure the ambient = temperature and reply. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it B, can measure the ambient = air pressure and reply. Suppose that a particular thing, let us call it E, asks A for the temperatu= re at its location. E sends A the following. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 (The English localization is as follows. What is the temperature at your location please?) A recognises the sentence and measures the temperature. A then replies to E as follows, using several localizable sentences and som= e data. The data is the data at the time, so could be different from the va= lue used in this example. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A0=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A6 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2= =E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A7=E2=91=A2 =E2=88=AB= =E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A1 21.3 (The English localization is as follows. The following question has been asked. What is the temperature at your location please? My answer is as follows. The temperature at my location in degrees Celsius is as follows. 21.3 ) Suppose now that E sends B the following. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 (The English localization is as follows. What is the temperature at your location please?) B can measure ambient air pressure, but not temperature. B does not recognise the =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2= =91=A5=E2=91=A0 as B has a list of localizable sentences relevant to its ow= n functions, but does not have a list of every available localizable senten= ce that is in the standardized list. However, B is able to use the following localizable sentence. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1 (The English localization is as follows. I do not have the capability to carry out that request.) So, whenever B does not recognise a localizable sentence that it receives, = B simply copies that localizable sentence from its input buffer and include= s it in a message together with a =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2= =91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1 code. In this particular case that is as follows. =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A0=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A6 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2= =E2=91=A8=E2=91=A5=E2=91=A0 =E2=88=AB=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A7=E2=91=A2 =E2=88=AB= =E2=91=A2=E2=91=A1=E2=91=A2=E2=91=A8=E2=91=A6=E2=91=A1=20 (The English localization is as follows. The following question has been asked. What is the temperature at your location please? My answer is as follows. I do not have the capability to carry out that request. ) Thus if localizable sentences were to become used for communication between= things and also so that they could also be localized so that a human can m= onitor what is happening in a language of his or her choice, it would not b= e necessary for each thing on the Internet of Things to be able to recognis= e and decode every localizable sentence in the standardization document lis= t of localizable sentences. Only the number of localizable sentences needed= to carry out its functions would need to be recognised by any particular t= hing. However, a monitoring system that could decode any message encoded using an= y of all of the localizable sentence in the standardization document list w= ould need to be capable of recognizing every localizable sentence in the st= andardization document list of localizable sentences. 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Title : Limited Domains and Internet Protocols Authors : Brian Carpenter Bing Liu Filename : draft-carpenter-limited-domains-02.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2018-08-13 Abstract: There is a noticeable trend towards network requirements, behaviours and semantics that are specific to a limited region of the Internet and a particular set of requirements. Policies, default parameters, the options supported, the style of network management and security requirements may vary. This document reviews examples of such limited domains and emerging solutions. It shows the needs for a precise definition of a limited domain boundary and for a corresponding protocol to allow nodes to discover where such a boundary exists. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-limited-domains/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-limited-domains-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-carpenter-limited-domains-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-carpenter-limited-domains-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Thu Aug 30 02:25:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19738130EF4 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 02:25:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btinternet.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Dpz429xKTJk for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 02:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0202.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A95130DEC for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 02:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.12.2 () X-OWM-Env-Sender: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=20/300, class=clean X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtjedrgeekgddugecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucgotffhvedqqdeurggukfhmphhorhhtrghntggvucdlvddtmdenucfjughrpeffhfhrvffkjghfufggtgfgkgfrsehtjegttddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhllhhirghmpgflpgfiucfqvhgvrhhinhhgthhonhcuoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqeenucfkphepuddtrdduuddtrdduvddrvddpuddtledrudeggedrvddtkedrjeehnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopeifvggsmhgrihhlfedtrdgsthdrvgigthdrtghptghlohhuugdrtghordhukhdpihhnvghtpedutddruddutddruddvrddvpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqedprhgtphhtthhopeeorghrtghhihhtvggtthhurhgvqdguihhstghushhssehivghtfhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehirggssehirggsrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeothdvthhrghesihhrthhfrdhorhhgqeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Received: from webmail30.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.12.2) by rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) (authenticated as wjgo_10009@btinternet.com) id 5AF326F90A09BD88; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:25:46 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1535621147; bh=w5Clue5tZxea0qeZcOUa3/Lz/bZCj/noeqQz2mNS4qk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=kmM3I/9kpT7BbpaboBssc6zKHtnHV8Y7SPP6VL+WW57YQFGbNVDbKUKLqj4FmEyB7Mv1sIO1WaYjOdWQvF4zKyDjdm2cRPOJvbonIrOnzsVnKrksVIHbc1RxhKivbirk6rpSHRUllCEyBw/K8YF2/ZoY2LduBLcZH48gmyuxZcU= Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:25:46 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, t2trg@irtf.org Message-ID: <22010393.9956.1535621146366.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <495615.19389.1534002978740.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <153175124288.21751.4163443271295991984.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2899520.11180.1531820809158.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <3461244.30339.1533047619611.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22866176.34913.1533051294104.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <16789877.13873.1533636883722.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <495615.19389.1534002978740.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[109.144.208.75] Epoch[1535621146336] Archived-At: Subject: [arch-d] Call for Comment: Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:25:49 -0000 Having sent in some comments I am wondering what happens now. Nobody has thus far responded to my comments and I am wondering what is the process please. Will something be published some time? Can anyone supply any information on the process please? William Overington Thursday 30 August 2018 From nobody Thu Aug 30 06:05:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E47130E76; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 06:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X7UWkLH2bt0i; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 06:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EA36130E6F; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 06:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.18.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w7UD5jji035573 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Aug 2018 08:05:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.18.66] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, t2trg@irtf.org References: <153175124288.21751.4163443271295991984.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2899520.11180.1531820809158.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <3461244.30339.1533047619611.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22866176.34913.1533051294104.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <16789877.13873.1533636883722.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <495615.19389.1534002978740.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22010393.9956.1535621146366.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <30dca07a-44d0-b23e-f5c3-aa5cea47d880@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 08:05:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22010393.9956.1535621146366.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [arch-d] Call for Comment: Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:05:56 -0000 draft-iab-iotsi-workshop is a report on what was discussed at the 2016 workshop. The IAB has approved it for publication, and it is now in the RFC Editor's hands. It will be published as an RFC in a few weeks. Your comments have not about the workshop itself, but rather have been an attempt to continue or start a different discussion ostensibly on the same topic. For background on this part of the process, you could start with RFC4844 (and RFC4845 for the IAB stream specifically). RjS On 8/30/18 4:25 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: > Having sent in some comments I am wondering what happens now. > > Nobody has thus far responded to my comments and I am wondering what is the process please. > > Will something be published some time? > > Can anyone supply any information on the process please? > > William Overington > > Thursday 30 August 2018 > > _______________________________________________ > Architecture-discuss mailing list > Architecture-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss From nobody Thu Aug 30 06:57:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25301130F1D for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:57:33 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1535637464; bh=PmLURYCjI0pAgw/5NUI9bfel2ylx57/5vs0lBsKL/Bc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=fs9SzmF2ZrgwDcxUXAqGblPJSP3DShGnpo32rrFmY129sqfhlfAuyaQsvI64/dWsrmY4mg5HDBw1NotFO6pgbgiFrBvNoPcMj6yKDgcV7uB5Fb/GsvyVlP7wPgEJ/2PBA6b2r2AH+z1/+bM3YLq5GxbOjCTeHmgLkrzpHReXVw0= Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:57:33 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: t2trg@irtf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, iab@iab.org, architecture-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20649365.25866.1535637453683.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <30dca07a-44d0-b23e-f5c3-aa5cea47d880@nostrum.com> References: <153175124288.21751.4163443271295991984.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2899520.11180.1531820809158.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <3461244.30339.1533047619611.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22866176.34913.1533051294104.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <16789877.13873.1533636883722.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <495615.19389.1534002978740.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22010393.9956.1535621146366.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <30dca07a-44d0-b23e-f5c3-aa5cea47d880@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 49531 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 49531 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 49531 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 49531 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 49531 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[109.144.209.45] Epoch[1535637453658] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [arch-d] [T2TRG] Call for Comment: Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:57:55 -0000 Hi Thank you for your reply. Best regards, William Overington Thursday 30 August 2018 ----Original message---- >From : rjsparks@nostrum.com Date : 2018/08/30 - 14:05 (GMTDT) To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, t2trg@irtf.org Subject : Re: [T2TRG] [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-iotsi-workshop-02> Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 draft-iab-iotsi-workshop is a report on what was discussed at the 2016 workshop. The IAB has approved it for publication, and it is now in the RFC Editor's hands. It will be published as an RFC in a few weeks. Your comments have not about the workshop itself, but rather have been an attempt to continue or start a different discussion ostensibly on the same topic. For background on this part of the process, you could start with RFC4844 (and RFC4845 for the IAB stream specifically). RjS On 8/30/18 4:25 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: > Having sent in some comments I am wondering what happens now. > > Nobody has thus far responded to my comments and I am wondering what is the process please. > > Will something be published some time? > > Can anyone supply any information on the process please? > > William Overington > > Thursday 30 August 2018 > > _______________________________________________ > Architecture-discuss mailing list > Architecture-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss _______________________________________________ T2TRG mailing list T2TRG@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/t2trg From nobody Thu Aug 30 07:08:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C813F130DCF for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:08:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:08:21 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1535638103; bh=YS4rmbOoDbjkMrBk1s1hQyfMXocGBgoHK7KJxurdQRg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=TE0fJxenLDlx/gRZVSBH4lBmlnoBquJWWQ7Mxj0fQcSS1lvb/qvXxhMC5kxhFZIM1uLmAyE+OgYi6cl5/wvK7wRI/voFXxARtCbwwhgMV1Qj3nB8KhXJPXecGgs+/EUqpSNVFdxoZwDJZQItG197RezNEI+0EhwVWyctWvctBQQ= Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:08:22 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: t2trg@irtf.org, architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org Message-ID: <20521898.26421.1535638102300.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <20649365.25866.1535637453683.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <153175124288.21751.4163443271295991984.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2899520.11180.1531820809158.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <3461244.30339.1533047619611.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22866176.34913.1533051294104.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <16789877.13873.1533636883722.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <495615.19389.1534002978740.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <22010393.9956.1535621146366.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <30dca07a-44d0-b23e-f5c3-aa5cea47d880@nostrum.com> <20649365.25866.1535637453683.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[109.144.209.45] Epoch[1535638102271] Archived-At: Subject: [arch-d] [T2TRG] Localizable sentences for thing to thing communication X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:08:26 -0000 Hi In view of the reply, shall we discuss the possible uses of localizable sentences for thing to thing communication in the T2TRg forum? This message is also being sent to architecture-discuss@ietf.org and iab@iab.org in case anyone there is interested in joining in a discussion, but please post for the discussion just to the t2trg@irtf.org mailing list. William Overington Thursday 30 August 2018 ----Original message---- >From : wjgo_10009=40btinternet.com@dmarc.ietf.org Date : 2018/08/30 - 14:57 (GMTDT) To : t2trg@irtf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, iab@iab.org, architecture-discuss@ietf.org Subject : Re: [arch-d] [T2TRG] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-iotsi-workshop-02> Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 Hi Thank you for your reply. Best regards, William Overington Thursday 30 August 2018 ----Original message---- >From : rjsparks@nostrum.com Date : 2018/08/30 - 14:05 (GMTDT) To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, architecture-discuss@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, t2trg@irtf.org Subject : Re: [T2TRG] [arch-d] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-iotsi-workshop-02> Report from the Internet of Things (IoT) Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI) Workshop 2016 draft-iab-iotsi-workshop is a report on what was discussed at the 2016 workshop. The IAB has approved it for publication, and it is now in the RFC Editor's hands. It will be published as an RFC in a few weeks. Your comments have not about the workshop itself, but rather have been an attempt to continue or start a different discussion ostensibly on the same topic. For background on this part of the process, you could start with RFC4844 (and RFC4845 for the IAB stream specifically). RjS On 8/30/18 4:25 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: > Having sent in some comments I am wondering what happens now. > > Nobody has thus far responded to my comments and I am wondering what is the process please. > > Will something be published some time? > > Can anyone supply any information on the process please? > > William Overington > > Thursday 30 August 2018 > > _______________________________________________ > Architecture-discuss mailing list > Architecture-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss _______________________________________________ T2TRG mailing list T2TRG@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/t2trg _______________________________________________ Architecture-discuss mailing list Architecture-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss