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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:35:24 -0400 From: Thomas Narten X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12102215-9360-0000-0000-00000BF1991C Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "armd@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement.all@tools.ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [armd] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-03 X-BeenThere: armd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of issues associated with large amount of virtual machines being introduced in data centers and virtual hosts introduced by Cloud Computing." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:47:30 -0000 Hi Manav. Getting back to this thread... "Bhatia, Manav (Manav)" writes: > Hi Thomas, > > > > > However, the draft still says "multicast frames do not necessarily > > > need to be sent to all parts of the network". I could be missing > > > something but there still seems to be some disconnect > > because in the > > > context of L2, multicast frames will be sent to all parts of the > > > network. > > > > L2 IGMP snooping may be taking place, which can then result > > in multicast traffic not being forwarded everywhere in the L2 > > broadcst domain... > Yes, that's correct. So youre suggesting that IGMP snooping will > help reduce "ARP" traffic in case of IPv6. Do hosts send out MLD > reports for the link local addresses that they expect to receive the > Neighbor Discovery messages on? If they don't, then snooping will be > of no help in reducing IPv6 ND traffic that the draft is discussing > in that section. Yes, IPv6 hosts do send out MLD reports for LL multicast. This was done precisely as a concession to snooping bridges. > > > > > Yes it does as long as you remove the original line that I had > > quoted. > > > > Removing that line IMO removes something essential. It is the > > case that on some routers (i.e., devices at the edge of an L2 > > boundary) do not have sufficient resources to process "a lot > > of ARP traffic". "a lot" is in quotes because we don't have > > an exact figure for what that is. This is one of the key > > points to come out of the ARMD effort. > > > > What exactly do you object to in that sentence? > My concern with the opening sentence of Sec 7.1 is that it > generalizes large L2 domains and makes a sweeping statement that > seems to suggest that all routers in large L2 domains need to > process "a lot of " ARP traffic. This is patently incorrect. As I > have said earlier, this issue is specific to L2 domains that see a > lot of ARP/ND traffic and is not true in general for all large L2 > domains. OK. I changed the sentence at issue to: One pain point with large L2 broadcast domains is that the routers connected to the L2 domain may need to process "a lot of" ARP traffic in some cases. In particular, environments where the aggregate level of ARP traffic is very large may lead to a heavy ARP load on routers. Does that work? Thomas From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Oct 22 14:07:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4754F11E80DF; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gfQ7sRGPijaJ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD9211E808D; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121022210748.14824.89084.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:07:48 -0700 Cc: armd@ietf.org Subject: [armd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-04.txt X-BeenThere: armd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of issues associated with large amount of virtual machines being introduced in data centers and virtual hosts introduced by Cloud Computing." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:07:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Address Resolution for Massive numbers of= hosts in the Data center Working Group of the IETF. Title : Address Resolution Problems in Large Data Center Networks Author(s) : Thomas Narten Manish Karir Ian Foo Filename : draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-04.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2012-10-22 Abstract: This document examines address resolution issues related to the scaling of data centers with a very large numbers of hosts. The initial scope is relatively narrow. Specifically, it focuses on address resolution (ARP and ND) within the data center. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From narten@us.ibm.com Mon Oct 22 14:13:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6B321F88EE for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.303 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.296, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w2Y2L0Ori5+9 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e9.ny.us.ibm.com (e9.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.139]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951A921F88E9 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:13:22 -0400 From: Thomas Narten X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12102221-7182-0000-0000-000002E8C9D0 Subject: Re: [armd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-04.txt X-BeenThere: armd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of issues associated with large amount of virtual machines being introduced in data centers and virtual hosts introduced by Cloud Computing." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:13:28 -0000 Hi. This version incorporates a number of editorial changes stemming from the IESG reviews and reviews from Joel Halpurn and Manav Bhatia. It should clear the one IESG DISCUSS on the document. Most of the changes have been discussed publicly (i.e, via cc's to this list). I don't think any of them should be controversial. At this point, I believe this document is done, and I believe it can be sent to the RFC editor. Indeed, I think this WG is finally done! Thanks everyone for your help! Thomas From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mon Oct 22 15:11:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFBF11E80A2; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dpD9uwJxKf4S; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1449B11E80D7; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121022221135.12514.93153.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:11:35 -0700 Cc: armd mailing list , armd chair , RFC Editor Subject: [armd] Document Action: 'Address Resolution Problems in Large Data Center Networks' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-04.txt) X-BeenThere: armd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of issues associated with large amount of virtual machines being introduced in data centers and virtual hosts introduced by Cloud Computing." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:11:36 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Address Resolution Problems in Large Data Center Networks' (draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-04.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ronald Bonica and Benoit Claise. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement/ Technical Summary This document examines address resolution issues related to the massive scaling of data centers. Our initial scope is relatively narrow. Specifically, it focuses on address resolution (ARP and ND) within the data center. Working Group Summary Document was a result of WG participants’ contributions, with support of research institute’s collection of data center ARP/ND traffic statistics (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-karir-armd-statistics/), and valuable input collected from NANOG operators community. Good support by the WG. Document Quality The document has incorporated many good suggestions from WG. It is readable, accurate on problems to large scale data centers. Personnel Linda Dunbar (linda.dunbar@huawei.com) and Benson Schliesser (bensons@queuefull.net) are the Document Shepherds. Ron Bonica (ron@bonica.org) is the Responsible AD. From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Tue Oct 23 11:32:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A256A1F0C98; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:32:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sb4PLdy2T0Qe; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AC41F0425; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:32:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement List X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121023183252.7359.72200.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:32:52 -0700 Cc: ldunbar@huawei.com, armd@ietf.org Subject: [armd] WG Action: Conclusion of Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd) X-BeenThere: armd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of issues associated with large amount of virtual machines being introduced in data centers and virtual hosts introduced by Cloud Computing." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:32:52 -0000 The Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center = (armd) working group in the Operations and Management Area has = concluded. The IESG contact persons are Ron Bonica and Benoit Claise. The mailing list will remain open. From bortzmeyer@nic.fr Wed Oct 24 03:09:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: armd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE4121F893E; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.041 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.041 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.208, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NFQQMrz-elK5; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [192.134.4.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A5421F8672; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 007E22804B3; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:08:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41A728050D; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:08:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2219:8::6:69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD89B380A2; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:07:44 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: IESG Secretary Message-ID: <20121024100744.GA15377@nic.fr> References: <20121023183252.7359.72200.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121023183252.7359.72200.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid X-Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-3-686-pae i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:32:49 -0700 Cc: ldunbar@huawei.com, ietf@ietf.org, armd@ietf.org Subject: Re: [armd] WG Action: Conclusion of Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd) X-BeenThere: armd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of issues associated with large amount of virtual machines being introduced in data centers and virtual hosts introduced by Cloud Computing." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:09:20 -0000 On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:32:52AM -0700, IESG Secretary wrote a message of 7 lines which said: > The Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data > center (armd) working group in the Operations and Management Area > has concluded. Its charter is far from completed and I do not find in the archives of the mailing list of the WG an explanation. Two lines of text to explain what happened? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:12:45 -0000 Hello Stephane, My apologies. The shutdown message should have included a pointer to the fo= llowing email, which was posted on the ARMD mailing list by Benson Schliess= er on June 22: - http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/armd/current/msg00472.html Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Stephane Bortzmeyer > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 6:08 AM > To: IESG Secretary > Cc: ldunbar@huawei.com; ietf@ietf.org; armd@ietf.org > Subject: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of Address Resolution for Massive > numbers of hosts in the Data center (armd) >=20 > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:32:52AM -0700, IESG Secretary secretary@ietf.org> wrote a message of 7 lines which said: >=20 > > The Address Resolution for Massive numbers of hosts in the Data > center > > (armd) working group in the Operations and Management Area has > > concluded. >=20 > Its charter is far from completed and I do not find in the archives of > the mailing list of the WG an explanation. Two lines of text to explain > what happened?