From nobody Fri Dec 1 12:40:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C35127867 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 12:40:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=drkurt.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p1IuDzMLPaAm for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com (mail-lf0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55F1F128B8E for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 12:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id t197so13053024lfe.7 for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 12:39:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=drkurt.com; s=20130612; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=S1uNzWedkD0rdKvL1fFh5SJxo+q4TIDv29rdD1uF1Fk=; b=XEw+xF9AvLcG0W3/7C6XntHwi8xWLviQO3PLdDF/EmPWq3l6cKlk6XP3Cwaqbl5ksf dQyQjqTTD+7vD4lCEFcAVIYv8ix6L8+j48d9JHrvK+ogxeIMGDqR7PK5zKxprXEfHn2/ xHj04Ve0g96t1acM8tNlGo+NiR65so0gK14C4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to; bh=S1uNzWedkD0rdKvL1fFh5SJxo+q4TIDv29rdD1uF1Fk=; b=SmJXVitJLPEMJOVRTS5YVVgcHuKzZ0h9EMSFuiPcNFk7x+0GmjZ5Cqhgu8EoFvyYsn viwKL3P6WouiJpOP+hvaNM6O79+RvwwG2tscks4XXupMewvX4fmmbBH7DpWGxayUa48g UlAS3wdL50hYRCcUt4S02wCzcjVQv9FPaVM7ArBtRxF919mQZKRgkSEzoSgE3bhat3qo ltOsr4BUu6U8qEoH58PAdivX1bVdFypa5cLt+RyNn8KfUGpkw1iPoWYpAe+iTorA6kIc GT9x7VwkA3n2CoBVRso7PIGzTxarHquC9D7abAcnbextLOsBLOy7t8lVbXH/XIf//Xkz uAJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4lfvpjT1tHGhJwyHqBWoyucRjs9sjcH4LAwBUegv+RjKqje2YN Fj11VxAaYbOd0dB2vJ0qS7lMRY6x05mJuUlRXXHC4FcN X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZn+ODtac2ZbTj2U1iYMpknwgvqV01mZvwnr2SI5TzA2ocSt2rAvskWdgQb8C+4xgZxcZOJe+Y4wjYYZFZlb7A= X-Received: by 10.46.29.13 with SMTP id d13mr5355443ljd.8.1512160796185; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 12:39:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kurta@drkurt.com Received: by 10.25.56.9 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 12:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Kurt Andersen (b)" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 20:39:55 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: L0Jws9h08aZIQPRdOizpa--zGoo Message-ID: To: art@ietf.org, ietf-822@ietf.org, smtp@ietf.org, "dmarc@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c082cdc19aa4e055f4d5fcb" Archived-At: Subject: [art] Proposal to invoke a 7601bis effort X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 20:40:01 -0000 --94eb2c082cdc19aa4e055f4d5fcb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In the context of work that is happening in the DMARC-WG, some changes to RFC7601 have been discussed which we think may merit a 'bis' effort to revise 7601. If you are interested or care, please join the DMARC WG where the detailed discussion will be carried out. (Apologies for the wide posting, but we wanted to reach a broad group of potentially interested parties.) --Kurt Andersen --94eb2c082cdc19aa4e055f4d5fcb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--94eb2c082cdc19aa4e055f4d5fcb-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 06:07:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietf.org Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FF9128CDC; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:07:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Harald Alvestrand To: Cc: draft-ietf-regext-launchphase.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, regext@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.67.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151256925917.30813.8696470899003053820@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 06:07:39 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [art] Artart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-launchphase-06 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 14:07:39 -0000 Reviewer: Harald Alvestrand Review result: Ready with Issues Review of draft-ietf-regext-launchphase-06 Summary: I suppose this is ready for the editing pass. Apologies for not completing it before the telechat. The document does not do a very good job of describing the overall flow of the context in which it is going to be used; for example, it is relatively late in the document that I discovered that claim notices have expiration dates (launch:notAfter in section 3.3.2). The document needs a thorough language check, in particular I reacted negatively to its rather sparse use of commas, which in several cases left sentences looking ambiguous to me. However, the implementation section indicates that this is work that is really waiting for formal approval, and I see no strong reason to delay the document further. Nits and grammar points ======================= Section 1.1 The definitions "launch-1.0", "signedMark-1.0" and "mark-1.0" are not in fact used. The paragraphs should be rephrased as "The XML namespace prefix "smd" is used for the "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:signedMark-1.0" namespace. Implementations MUST NOT ....." 2.2 Grammatical: ", that is unique to the server," is ungrammatical. Just ", unique to the server," would be correct and clearer. 2.3.1 Format: "Claims Check Form" and "Claims Create Form" repeats their hang text in the paragraph. This is confusing to read in ASCII. 2.4 This sentence: "if a launch status is supported and the launch status is not one of the final statuses, including the "allocated" and "rejected" statuses." makes equal grammatical sense if "allocated" and "rejected" are final statuses or non-final statuses. Could be clearer. The two sentences starting "Is a possible end state" would be more grammatical if they were "This is a possible end state". It is not clear what causes the transition from "validated" to "pendingAllocation". It is also not clear if a transition possibility exists straight from "validated" to "allocated" for the case where no external process is needed. 2.5 "A Launch Application MUST and a Launch Registration MAY" would be clearer if there were commas around "and a Launch Registration MAY". 2.6.3 This section's sentence structure is unclear due to a missing comma before "or the ". 3.1 It is completely unclear what functional difference there is between the "Claims Check Form" (3.1.1) and the "Trademark Check Form" (3.1.3). I suspect the idea behind "whether or not there are any matching trademarks, in the specified launch phase, for each domain name passed in the command, that requires the use of the "Claims Create Form" on a Domain Create Command." (3.1.1) versus "whether or not there are any matching trademarks for each domain name passed in the command, independent of the active launch phase of the server and whether the "Claims Create Form" is required on a Domain Create Command." (3.1.3) is that the latter will return claims info in cases where the former would not, but it's not clear when this makes a difference to the caller - the same reply info seems to be returned in both cases. Another interpretation is that there exist trademarks that match in a given phase and do not match outside that phase, so that the "claims check form" may return matches that "trademark check form" would not - this seems a bit bizarre. 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"draft-ietf-regext-launchphase.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "regext@ietf.org" References: <151256925917.30813.8696470899003053820@ietfa.amsl.com> <5575391F-7165-4A33-8D72-7AA5DECAE06D@verisign.com> From: Harald Alvestrand Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:47:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5575391F-7165-4A33-8D72-7AA5DECAE06D@verisign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Artart telechat review of draft-ietf-regext-launchphase-06 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:47:12 -0000 Den 06. des. 2017 20:18, skrev Gould, James: > Harald, > > Thank you for your review and feedback, below are my answers to your feedback. > Thanks for the quick response! Deleting all below where you said "yes, we'll do that" and where I have no further comment. > 2.4 > > This sentence: "if a launch status is supported and the launch status > is not one of the final statuses, including the "allocated" and > "rejected" statuses." makes equal grammatical sense if "allocated" and > "rejected" are final statuses or non-final statuses. Could be clearer. > > Would the use of parenthesis work better as in the sentence below? > “if a launch status is supported and the launch status is not one of the final statuses ("allocated" and "rejected").” This is much more readable, thank you. > It is not clear what causes the transition from "validated" to > "pendingAllocation". It is also not clear if a transition possibility > exists straight from "validated" to "allocated" for the case where no > external process is needed. > > The transitions between the statuses is up to the server policy. There is no pre-defined timeframe that a domain must remain in a status. In general, the processing is done asynchronously and based on a batch schedule, where a batch may validate thus putting the domains in the “validated” status. A separate batch may prepare the domains for the allocation process thus putting the domains in the “pendingAllocation” status. Finally, a batch will allocate the domains thus putting the domains in either the “allocated” or the “rejected” status. > > Yes, there can be a server policy that supports moving domains to the “validated” or “invalid” status in one step and then deciding on the allocation in a separate step synchronously. In this case, there is no need for the “pendingAllocation” status. > > One scenario is that a pendingValidation domain may skip the validated status and transition immediately to the pendingAllocation status, or In that case, it would be clearer if the drawing was preceded by a sentence saying: "The transitions between states is a matter of server policy. One possible set of permitted transitions is given in the diagram below". This will make it clear to people that this isn't a total map of possible transitions. > > 2.5 > > "A Launch Application MUST and a Launch Registration MAY" would be > clearer if there were commas around "and a Launch Registration MAY". > > How about trying to fix the sentence overall, with the following two sentences? > > “A Launch Application MUST be handled as an EPP domain name object, as specified in RFC 5731 [RFC5731], with the "pendingCreate" status and with the launch status values defined in Section 2.4. A Launch Registration MAY be handled as an EPP domain name object, as specified in RFC 5731 [RFC5731], with the "pendingCreate" status and with the launch status values defined in Section 2.4.” > This looks good to me. > 2.6.3 > > This section's sentence structure is unclear due to a missing comma > before "or the ". > > I believe the fix here is to remove “either” and the comma from the sentence as in: > > “Digital signatures MAY be used by the server to validate the mark information when using the "signed mark" validation model with the (Section 2.6.3.1) element or the (Section 2.6.3.2) element.” > > Do you agree that this is better? I'm still a bit confused about where the beginning of the sentence is that ends with "or". Is it obvious to everyone that the "signed mark" validation model is used both with and with ? It's possible to read this as there being two validation models, one that is called "signed mark and uses , and another one that's not named, but uses . > > 3.1 > > It is completely unclear what functional difference there is between > the "Claims Check Form" (3.1.1) and the "Trademark Check Form" > (3.1.3). I suspect the idea behind "whether or not there are any > matching trademarks, in the specified launch phase, for each domain > name passed in the command, that requires the use of the "Claims > Create Form" on a Domain Create Command." (3.1.1) versus "whether or > not there are any matching trademarks for each domain name passed in > the command, independent of the active launch phase of the server and > whether the "Claims Create Form" is required on a Domain Create > Command." (3.1.3) is that the latter will return claims info in cases > where the former would not, but it's not clear when this makes a > difference to the caller - the same reply info seems to be returned in > both cases. > > Another interpretation is that there exist trademarks that match in a > given phase and do not match outside that phase, so that the "claims > check form" may return matches that "trademark check form" would not - > this seems a bit bizarre. > > The Trademark Check Form was explicitly requested on the list to support checking for the existence of trademarks independent of the active or specified phase and without requiring an indication that a claims notice is required on a domain create. The primary purpose of a check is to indicate to the client whether a create will work, which is the goal of the Claims Check Form. Depending on the phase, the Claims Check Form may not return the claims information because the create does not require it. However, the Trademark Check Form will always return the claims information if there is at least one trademark associated with the domain name. This is a subtle difference, but an important difference since some systems require providing the raw trademark information without including the extra phase-specific logic of the Claims Check Form. > > This makes perfect sense (if I interpret it correctly), and was the most reasonable interpretation I had. Would it make sense to add a sentence saying "The Trademark Check Form will always return at least the marks returned by a similiar Claims Check Form, but may return additional marks"? Happy that the review was useful! 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