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Worley) To: John C Klensin Cc: mnot@mnot.net, julian.reschke@gmx.de, art@ietf.org, matthew@kerwin.net.au, sbergman@redhat.com In-Reply-To: <1FC45B47B703AED3FAE346F4@PSB> (john-ietf@jck.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 21:50:01 -0500 Message-ID: <87y37k2e1y.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 02:50:11 -0000 John C Klensin writes: > However, Mark, it seems to me to be entirely appropriate, and > consistent with 3986, for a scheme definition to state whether > or not a fragment identifier is permitted. I argue that the *scheme* does not define whether a fragment identifier is permitted, but rather the media type of the referenced resource defines it. This does mean that if the scheme defines its URIs in such a way that the referenced resource can never have a media type, or can never have a media type that defines fragment identifiers, then the scheme effectively forbids the use of fragment identifiers. (sip: is an example of such a scheme; its referenced resource can only be used dynamically, and cannot be instantiated as a "media object".) It may well be worth noting in a scheme definition whether one of these cases hold, but it isn't *defining*. 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Worley) To: pradeep xplorer Cc: art@ietf.org In-Reply-To: (pradeepan88@hotmail.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 22:43:51 -0500 Message-ID: <87o98g2bk8.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] New Version Notification for draft-httpemaildevphone-00.txt X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 03:43:59 -0000 pradeep xplorer writes: > The ability for me to sit in this internet center and type in device > mac address or phone number in To of email and get it delivered to a > device would help many. I have no idea why there are no > comments. As always, if you don't get comments, it's because not many people are interested in it. Part of the trouble is that what you are proposing isn't just a technological change, but also a business change: Your draft says: For the user who just want emails and not net savvy, He or she has to be able to walk into a store and get a device like android and get an email address also from that vendor. How do you propose convincing the vendors to hand out an e-mail account with every phone? If the customers really wanted it, the vendors would probably have noticed it already. More importantly, we aren't business people, this isn't the place where you can convince vendors that this idea is a profitable service. This isn't where the vendors are listening. 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Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:48:00 +0100 X-Env-Mailfrom: dcesmith@caribsurf.com X-Env-Rcptto: art@ietf.org X-SourceIP: 84.116.36.153 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=E7kcWpVl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=kUdgv+5DUxLC7GsRDYmCcw==:117 a=kUdgv+5DUxLC7GsRDYmCcw==:17 a=LY2K7lhPfzUA:10 a=idQgOwez7IwA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zjB3duGbAAAA:20 a=wh29FQHvAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=iDIc9RHs86WOrHxBh3YA:9 a=SlocJwAvhW1_l6YV:21 a=A8au-6w9A1YyqTrM:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=CbvwarGi5VgA:10 a=rdESqZMWyIcA:10 a=Bejzvft-W60eTw94hwQA:9 a=WH6Ncg1hWpwlkqqQ:21 a=xBXCbseT1ylLxFNF:21 a=4r0-6rjy2GvXNAbx:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=VXYcH7iyBJRhg1WiYCsm:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 X-Authenticated-Sender: dcesmith@caribsurf.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:48:00 -0500 (EST) From: Donovan Smith To: "Dale R. Worley" , pradeep xplorer Cc: art@ietf.org Message-ID: <1601909242.1345473.1547732880423@appsuite.candwmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: (pradeepan88@hotmail.com) <87o98g2bk8.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1345472_858718429.1547732880391" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.8.3-Rev48 X-Originating-IP: 64.119.198.91 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBUFGum6Ik3LFqQ7257PwzlrWY0wdb+epEzcrfCgSHftv1IXyR6KwYCt1Vz8nMvVfVuIi3G9gYXdhmwMCFihBeabrQWjgR07lqTztqO0RF+t+UBBT+PK k9YsHU/HxacXfDB3hRrexd4Rz3hPvsW42M00OEuoN94kvz/9aO1J/9ZHhgY21GGlEHI/O8Rw2ZNfJ1lf71RtZGEBTKFI/VOTPzlzUCe9U5ZndLWx21zelm1V EAC25y4sJV1tQP6e7WGAGQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] New Version Notification for draft-httpemaildevphone-00.txt X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:48:06 -0000 ------=_Part_1345472_858718429.1547732880391 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pradeep, let's dive deeper into this concept. From reading what you are proposing you are saying issue an email address per device per user who doesn't want all the bells and whistles. > Your draft says: > > For the user who just want emails and not net savvy, He or she has > to be able to walk into a store and get a device like android and > get an email address also from that vendor. > I would have to agree with Dale's response. How will the process be managed? Also if you enter a device number as opposed to an email address the backend routing or communication is no different as the message will still reach the intended user. Are you trying to improve information accessibility over a wider forum? Regards and God Bless Donovan C.E Smith MSc.CEng.MIET Telecoms Engineer Tel: 246 230 8993 > On January 17, 2019 at 1:56 AM pradeep xplorer wrote: > > Its an alternative to webbased email. Only you get to read your messages after reaching destination > Pradeep kumar xplorer > > Sent from MailDroid https://goo.gl/ODgwBb > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dale R. Worley" > To: pradeep xplorer > Cc: art@ietf.org > Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 9:13 > Subject: Re: [art] New Version Notification for draft-httpemaildevphone-00.txt > > pradeep xplorer < pradeepan88@hotmail.com mailto:pradeepan88@hotmail.com > writes: > > The ability for me to sit in this internet center and type in device > > mac address or phone number in To of email and get it delivered to a > > device would help many. I have no idea why there are no > > comments. > > As always, if you don't get comments, it's because not many people are > interested in it. Part of the trouble is that what you are proposing > isn't just a technological change, but also a business change: > > Your draft says: > > For the user who just want emails and not net savvy, He or she has > to be able to walk into a store and get a device like android and > get an email address also from that vendor. > > How do you propose convincing the vendors to hand out an e-mail account > with every phone? If the customers really wanted it, the vendors would > probably have noticed it already. > > More importantly, we aren't business people, this isn't the place where > you can convince vendors that this idea is a profitable service. This > isn't where the vendors are listening. > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > art mailing list > art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/art > ------=_Part_1345472_858718429.1547732880391 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pradeep,  let's dive deeper into this concept.&= #160; From reading what you are proposing you are saying issue an email add= ress per device per user who doesn't want all the bells and whistles.&#= 160; 


Your draft says:

=     For the user who just want emails and not net savvy, He = or she has
    to be able to walk into a store and get a = device like android and
    get an email address also fro= m that vendor.

I would have to agree with Dale's respons= e. How will the process be managed?  Also if you enter a device number= as opposed to an email address the backend routing or communication is no = different as the message will still reach the intended user. 

Ar= e you trying to improve information accessibility over a wider forum?

Regards and God Bless

Donovan C.E Smith M= Sc.CEng.MIET
Telecoms Engineer

Tel: 246 230 8993

On January 17, 2019 at 1:56 AM pradeep xplorer <pradeepan8= 8@hotmail.com> wrote:

Its an alternative to webbased emai= l. Only you get to read your messages after reaching destination
Prade= ep kumar xplorer

Sent from MailDroid

-----Original= Message-----
From: "Dale R. Worley" <worley@ariadne.com&#= 62;
To: pradeep xplorer <pradeepan88@hotmail.com>
Cc: art= @ietf.org
Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 9:13
Subject: Re: [art] New Vers= ion Notification for draft-httpemaildevphone-00.txt

pradeep = xplorer < pradeepan88@hotmai= l.com> writes:
> The ability for me to sit in this interne= t center and type in device
> mac address or phone number in To of= email and get it delivered to a
> device would help many. I have = no idea why there are no
> comments.

As always, if you d= on't get comments, it's because not many people are
interested= in it.  Part of the trouble is that what you are proposing
isn&#= 39;t just a technological change, but also a business change:

You= r draft says:

    For the user who just want email= s and not net savvy, He or she has
    to be able to wa= lk into a store and get a device like android and
    g= et an email address also from that vendor.

How do you propose con= vincing the vendors to hand out an e-mail account
with every phone?= 60; If the customers really wanted it, the vendors would
probably have= noticed it already.

More importantly, we aren't business peo= ple, this isn't the place where
you can convince vendors that this= idea is a profitable service.  This
isn't where the vendors = are listening.

Dale


 

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=20 ------=_Part_1345472_858718429.1547732880391-- From nobody Thu Jan 17 08:35:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47A9130E8E for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=c2in+JIz; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=w/iec8TR Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C_zzfHx8soFd for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E5C5130E98 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 08:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 38711 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2019 16:35:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=972d.5c40aebc.k1901; bh=EPe7ErHGRNmZr0yc2GqGIK4jrcyQdrkWF/qCc5pCT/8=; b=c2in+JIzWG4KMa48hHr1zX6Td0wEEQ8YjLFD5608tZB5ElpElp/BcxjepgnbHrz/CRlAYVLMRZWCa1brus+sshCSja3HJnldG/SzjVsxZJOyBD+uwd7INkp5xxE2lmP6WCp3HNCqU6/lWvq6ufD4K35ofOTMkYrYZNoe+8+V7uifdXj5Pry4rEv4deS+rq2CZpzJJfh3azEA1YaBW63gS3HXFA/m7ykick1ek+Iik0dSMmJWI43yUL44uXbgezlO DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=972d.5c40aebc.k1901; bh=EPe7ErHGRNmZr0yc2GqGIK4jrcyQdrkWF/qCc5pCT/8=; b=w/iec8TRBj67AkbfJlAzyVwojVqkkHEIozBnMowPionSvRZUgKeJdLB4ZRj2/m9b6GZTAd4bB5ARy1DHrYosUHMYJ1eUjXlZl58ZmoqaAuoUhjSgOXZk+p0kBu6D+pG3ipwYUrcNfvV48ZeO6ANf/ldFgTm+qClmat/5AFy4HAAZeeuJdsoi8pF8p2U5vBGbb+6uzvIOg5c7BCswDzGuM8JSqJFasBcDmHMV05eGaYZswD+gKYm/VSKD2lorBbff Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 17 Jan 2019 16:35:08 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6F91A200CD87B4; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:35:08 -0500 (EST) Date: 17 Jan 2019 11:35:08 -0500 Message-Id: <20190117163508.6F91A200CD87B4@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: art@ietf.org Cc: worley@ariadne.com In-Reply-To: <87o98g2bk8.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] New Version Notification for draft-httpemaildevphone-00.txt X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:35:13 -0000 In article <87o98g2bk8.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> you write: >How do you propose convincing the vendors to hand out an e-mail account >with every phone? If the customers really wanted it, the vendors would >probably have noticed it already. Here in the US they do that and have done so for a long time. For example, if you have a Verizon number 1234567890, your email address is 1234567890@vtest.com or 1234567890@vzwpix.com if you want to attach a picture. In my experience those addresses are little used other than to send notifications from companies too cheap to get a real SMS gateway. There are plenty of widely used free webmail services, all of which offer both web access and apps for all popular phones. I have trouble imagining why I would want an address tied to my MAC or phone number that would change every time I got a new phone. R's, John From nobody Thu Jan 17 10:19:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECABF130EC3 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:19:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gbiv.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GrXXhEmlDt-z for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from goldenrod.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (goldenrod.birch.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.209.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 831F2130EA0 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:19:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|fielding@gbiv.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95390282314; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.30.62]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 24EF7283C34; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:19:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|fielding@gbiv.com Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:19:05 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|fielding@gbiv.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Supply-Thread: 7fdcad190367265c_1547749145392_264069921 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1547749145392:184620368 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1547749145392 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2C58040A; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:19:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=gbiv.com; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=gbiv.com; bh=oQjvqpqmvL8PjjF5/6OrHgRnzBY=; b=FfF38affJbR0TLgxra3DUwhcRaxD JC7IGElsRmexFnNkoQCZqchhFQD/VEINmerwpD0ikFrENPcTAD9zV33cYIa2Er2m E6WH8k6JWN4zbl7hSLpzsrzYYWbSjM82RLjlMwXHYuAN4yrKAqzO2WO92j5GCM9v /I05pT+gwPXRazM= Received: from [192.168.1.13] (ip68-228-64-138.oc.oc.cox.net [68.228.64.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: fielding@gbiv.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C24980409; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:18:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a3 From: "Roy T. Fielding" In-Reply-To: <87y37k2e1y.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:19:02 -0800 Cc: John C Klensin , Julian Reschke , art@ietf.org, Mark Nottingham , matthew@kerwin.net.au, sbergman@redhat.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0F7BA309-7C94-47D7-9379-0CAD31C7A60D@gbiv.com> References: <87y37k2e1y.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> To: "Dale R. Worley" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrgeekgddutdeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurheptggguffhjgffgffkfhfvofesthhqmhdthhdtvdenucfhrhhomhepfdftohihucfvrdcuhfhivghlughinhhgfdcuoehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmqeenucfkphepieekrddvvdekrdeigedrudefkeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghloheplgduledvrdduieekrddurddufegnpdhinhgvthepieekrddvvdekrdeigedrudefkedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthhepfdftohihucfvrdcuhfhivghlughinhhgfdcuoehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehssggvrhhgmhgrnhesrhgvughhrghtrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:19:09 -0000 > On Jan 16, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Dale R. Worley = wrote: >=20 > John C Klensin writes: >> However, Mark, it seems to me to be entirely appropriate, and >> consistent with 3986, for a scheme definition to state whether >> or not a fragment identifier is permitted. >=20 > I argue that the *scheme* does not define whether a fragment = identifier > is permitted, but rather the media type of the referenced resource > defines it. >=20 > This does mean that if the scheme defines its URIs in such a way that > the referenced resource can never have a media type, or can never have = a > media type that defines fragment identifiers, then the scheme > effectively forbids the use of fragment identifiers. (sip: is an > example of such a scheme; its referenced resource can only be used > dynamically, and cannot be instantiated as a "media object".) That is a reasonable argument, but it isn't quite true. A resource that = is not dereferenced doesn't have an associated media type at that point in = time, but this doesn't prevent it from having one at some other point in time, or = when referenced within some other context, no matter what the scheme says. For example, HTTP can be used to dereference sip identifiers and the = media type of the response does support fragment ids. We say that the fragment is unconstrained by the scheme because that's how indirect identifiers work. I can identify my son without using his = name, and I can identify my daughter even though I don't have one. The right thing to do is to simply admit that indirect identifiers = exist, provide them with a syntax that won't be confused with the direct identifier, = and let systems decide whether to use them or not based on their usefulness for that system (not based on committee opinions). ....Roy From nobody Thu Jan 17 15:32:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8298D130FBA for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:32:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.875 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.875 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2=0.874, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hotmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZEoxdYLg8Dtn for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from APC01-PU1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092254088.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.254.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50204130FB7 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:32:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=Oum/8p3evOFPbclMZjCmDgW1yaMg+RUsFZ0EgFwYeHs=; b=knyoMwi4BqCCfcX2FPsQjW5xQtuyNRaVzDMDL8+JYsyD8tdNOFBsiT/tDyuRerlMa/qgviyzGjxiP8SQtL2o0Gk0znG6b8MsAsPutDlHaEnc4I/9voT3w0fvk55Rn3Zui15kW3W6ZPWUTclahPn5j2w+TxUfCtukLSL1VilEirFv669p3UMi6N03FpMfWprPT/Y9nBWoMx9lRgOrmFasASKWTcROJcVD5DDZLDW5/UQ1uxqFRe4TgIBFYSUYyJcFyvCcI5qKgyfb3kaAJMx1CcKCTVY2Ux03a7o5wJKigvBQAhCRvqAwcTTYZ7cD34v7xCcqBRk+AC0a89OjX3JD1A== Received: from HK2APC01FT027.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.248.55) by HK2APC01HT056.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.249.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1471.13; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:32:16 +0000 Received: from TY2PR03MB4575.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.152.248.55) by HK2APC01FT027.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.248.179) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1471.13 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:32:16 +0000 Received: from TY2PR03MB4575.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::d26:6ce9:c3f3:36c3]) by TY2PR03MB4575.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::d26:6ce9:c3f3:36c3%4]) with mapi id 15.20.1537.018; Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:32:16 +0000 From: pradeep xplorer To: "Dale R. 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Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] New Version Notification for draft-httpemaildevphone-00.txt X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:45:51 -0000 In article you write: >. if i recieve it in my device only i can read it unless it is eaves dropped or snooped while in transit There's a stupendous number of unstated assumptions here. Perhaps you could update your draft to call them out. 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Worley) To: "Roy T. Fielding" Cc: matthew@kerwin.net.au, julian.reschke@gmx.de, art@ietf.org, mnot@mnot.net, sbergman@redhat.com, john-ietf@jck.com In-Reply-To: <0F7BA309-7C94-47D7-9379-0CAD31C7A60D@gbiv.com> (fielding@gbiv.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:29:05 -0500 Message-ID: <874la63apq.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:29:15 -0000 "Roy T. Fielding" writes: > For example, HTTP can be used to dereference sip identifiers and the media > type of the response does support fragment ids. I must admit I'm not following your example. 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Worley" , "art@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <57CF13AD-8430-43CB-8051-4217485F3842@gbiv.com> References: <874la63apq.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> To: =?utf-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrhedtgdduudefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurheptggguffhjgffgffkfhfvofesthhqmhdthhdtjeenucfhrhhomhepfdftohihucfvrdcuhfhivghlughinhhgfdcuoehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmqeenucfkphepieekrddvvdekrdeigedrudefkeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghloheplgduledvrdduieekrddurddufegnpdhinhgvthepieekrddvvdekrdeigedrudefkedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthhepfdftohihucfvrdcuhfhivghlughinhhgfdcuoehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegrrhhtsehivghtfhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:18:19 -0000 > On Jan 18, 2019, at 12:31 AM, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst = wrote: >=20 > On 2019/01/18 12:29, Dale R. Worley wrote: >> "Roy T. Fielding" writes: >>> For example, HTTP can be used to dereference sip identifiers and the = media >>> type of the response does support fragment ids. >>=20 >> I must admit I'm not following your example. >=20 > I'm not familiar with sip, but I can easily imagine a http server=20 > returning some metadata documents for some specific sip: URIs, the = same=20 > way it could for some specific mailto: URI. >=20 > The only thing you have to do to make such a server work is to set it = up=20 > so that it responds to requests of the form >=20 > GET mailto:abc@example.com HTTP/1.1 >=20 > or some such. This is allowed by http, it's how proxying works. The=20 > responses are not authoritative, but they have mime types and may work=20= > with fragment identifiers. Right, a proxy server can be configured so that any given full URI = passed via an HTTP request has a response that is effectively a hypertext client = for a service capable of resolving the given identifier and presenting = something useful to the user. What that might be is controlled by the proxy = service, not the identifier being used (i.e., the proxy server might only be for = metadata, or it might be a Skype proxy, or it might be a webrtc Rickroll, etc.). Within that context, a fragment identifier can be defined by the media = types for processing hypertext even if it was not anticipated by the scheme. 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[24.6.174.39]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 83sm6789724pgf.57.2019.01.18.11.52.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:52:03 -0800 (PST) Sender: Larry Masinter From: Larry Masinter X-Google-Original-From: "Larry Masinter" To: "'Roy T. Fielding'" , =?utf-8?Q?'=22Martin_J._D=C3=BCrst=22'?= Cc: , "'Dale R. Worley'" References: <874la63apq.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> <57CF13AD-8430-43CB-8051-4217485F3842@gbiv.com> In-Reply-To: <57CF13AD-8430-43CB-8051-4217485F3842@gbiv.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:52:05 -0800 Message-ID: <004501d4af67$4a4e1330$deea3990$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGg1c9mO3SYLfVtQycS7dRaulRkxwEtXnVtAV9FLTqmCKVF0A== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:52:09 -0000 This bit that HTTP can be used by a proxy to resolve any URLs, not just = http: and https: ones, is weakly supported by a passing MAY. There isn't sufficient evidence of independent interoperable = implementations (based on specification) for such a major extension to = the "range of the HTTP dereference function". Yes, theoretically, something like this COULD be specified without = breaking HTTP, but that's different from saying that scheme = registrations can't restrict the use of fragment identifiers with URLs = of that scheme. I think that if you want to allow fragments in URLs = of a given scheme, the scheme definition should define how it should be = treated by fetch, and if such use requires generation of "some metadata = document", how those metadata documents work with fragment identifiers = should be defined (by their MIME type's registration, I suppose). So I'd say no, you can't use a fragment identifier with a "mailto:" URL. = Or a "sip:" one. But ok with "data:", and even "ftp" and "file". =20 In any case, perhaps a document update to BCP 35 guidelines might be = called for, and possibly a clarification in 3986 (URI). Larry -- https://LarryMasinter.net > -----Original Message----- > From: art On Behalf Of Roy T. Fielding > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 10:18 AM > To: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" > Cc: art@ietf.org; Dale R. Worley > Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 >=20 > > On Jan 18, 2019, at 12:31 AM, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst = > wrote: > > > > On 2019/01/18 12:29, Dale R. Worley wrote: > >> "Roy T. Fielding" writes: > >>> For example, HTTP can be used to dereference sip identifiers and = the > >>> media type of the response does support fragment ids. > >> > >> I must admit I'm not following your example. > > > > I'm not familiar with sip, but I can easily imagine a http server > > returning some metadata documents for some specific sip: URIs, the > > same way it could for some specific mailto: URI. > > > > The only thing you have to do to make such a server work is to set = it > > up so that it responds to requests of the form > > > > GET mailto:abc@example.com HTTP/1.1 > > > > or some such. This is allowed by http, it's how proxying works. The > > responses are not authoritative, but they have mime types and may = work > > with fragment identifiers. >=20 > Right, a proxy server can be configured so that any given full URI = passed via > an HTTP request has a response that is effectively a hypertext client = for a > service capable of resolving the given identifier and presenting = something > useful to the user. What that might be is controlled by the proxy = service, not > the identifier being used (i.e., the proxy server might only be for = metadata, > or it might be a Skype proxy, or it might be a webrtc Rickroll, etc.). > Within that context, a fragment identifier can be defined by the media = types > for processing hypertext even if it was not anticipated by the scheme. >=20 > Hence, fragment is an optional component of a URI reference, not part = of a > URI scheme's definition. >=20 > ....Roy > _______________________________________________ > art mailing list > art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/art From nobody Fri Jan 18 14:30:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427F213147E for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gbiv.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wa_cFQ8-M2bI for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lavender.maple.relay.mailchannels.net (lavender.maple.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.214.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3292F13147F for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:29:52 -0800 (PST) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|fielding@gbiv.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D813D12441E; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a26.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.11.179]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 697E91235BA; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:29:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|fielding@gbiv.com Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a26.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:29:51 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|fielding@gbiv.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Average-Minister: 0aa07092416976be_1547850591599_3173738394 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1547850591599:3630978084 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1547850591598 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a26.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a26.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2078E7FC8F; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:29:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=gbiv.com; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=gbiv.com; bh=OFzAms+UKRvn1EN6TVp8VGiCha8=; b=B5nv7NqZOp9Q39fDDrf62BJ4hRWs jb3c2FAhVC3dtCbMluwc9Idp4/zxS9RyIOazc/r2rZ9g6a/wP428S7JN0ZDQN/tc SzQCDKQXo/r3BRRe0Kf2DdXcp9+fSqX2lNOxyRwd/YxXhJjxLL0jBK2MQHEayRmH aM6NY9Rt0QcBJnQ= Received: from [192.168.1.13] (ip68-228-64-138.oc.oc.cox.net [68.228.64.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: fielding@gbiv.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a26.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E6F47FC91; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:29:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a26 From: "Roy T. Fielding" In-Reply-To: <004501d4af67$4a4e1330$deea3990$@acm.org> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:29:53 -0800 Cc: =?utf-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= , art@ietf.org, "Dale R. Worley" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1B8D07B3-CD56-4CD5-90B2-75D29220245D@gbiv.com> References: <874la63apq.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> <57CF13AD-8430-43CB-8051-4217485F3842@gbiv.com> <004501d4af67$4a4e1330$deea3990$@acm.org> To: Larry Masinter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrhedtgdduieegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurheptggguffhjgffgffkfhfvofesthhqmhdthhdtvdenucfhrhhomhepfdftohihucfvrdcuhfhivghlughinhhgfdcuoehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinhepfigvsghhihhsthhorhihrdhorhhgpdhhthhtphifrghsuggvshhighhnvgguthhofihorhhkrdhsohenucfkphepieekrddvvdekrdeigedrudefkeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghloheplgduledvrdduieekrddurddufegnpdhinhgvthepieekrddvvdekrdeigedrudefkedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthhepfdftohihucfvrdcuhfhivghlughinhhgfdcuoehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehfihgvlhguihhnghesghgsihhvrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeifohhrlhgvhiesrghrihgrughnvgdrtghomhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:30:04 -0000 > On Jan 18, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Larry Masinter wrote: >=20 > This bit that HTTP can be used by a proxy to resolve any URLs, not = just http: and https: ones, is weakly supported by a passing MAY. > There isn't sufficient evidence of independent interoperable = implementations (based on specification) for such a major extension to = the "range of the HTTP dereference function". Hi Larry, We deployed this in 1994. http://1997.webhistory.org/www.lists/www-talk.1994q1/0549.html It is still implemented in many current proxying clients. > Yes, theoretically, something like this COULD be specified without = breaking HTTP, It has been specified in HTTP/1.x since 1995. > but that's different from saying that scheme registrations can't = restrict the use of fragment identifiers with URLs of that scheme. I = think that if you want to allow fragments in URLs of a given scheme, the = scheme definition should define how it should be treated by fetch, and = if such use requires generation of "some metadata document", how those = metadata documents work with fragment identifiers should be defined (by = their MIME type's registration, I suppose). It is not a question of "want" or "should be treated", nor even a = question of whether or not is is a good idea. It is a fact. That's how HTTP was designed = to work. > So I'd say no, you can't use a fragment identifier with a "mailto:" = URL. Or a "sip:" one. But ok with "data:", and even "ftp" and "file". I can. I still remember implementing it in libwww-perl. ....Roy From nobody Sun Jan 20 08:19:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319E612785F for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:19:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gO-L-BD6hZ4D for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay14.mail.ox.ac.uk (relay14.mail.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9864127598 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp4.mail.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.207]) by relay14.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1glFoR-0005H7-mC; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:19:08 +0000 Received: from gklyne38.plus.com ([81.174.129.24] helo=sasharissa.local) by smtp4.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1glFoP-0007Z9-Fg; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:19:05 +0000 Message-ID: <5C449F78.7020402@ninebynine.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:19:04 +0000 From: Graham Klyne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy T. Fielding" , Larry Masinter CC: art@ietf.org, =?windows-1252?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= , "Dale R. Worley" References: <874la63apq.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> <57CF13AD-8430-43CB-8051-4217485F3842@gbiv.com> <004501d4af67$4a4e1330$deea3990$@acm.org> <1B8D07B3-CD56-4CD5-90B2-75D29220245D@gbiv.com> In-Reply-To: <1B8D07B3-CD56-4CD5-90B2-75D29220245D@gbiv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Oxford-Username: zool0635 X-Oxmail-Spam-Status: score=0.0 tests=none X-Oxmail-Spam-Level: / Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] Question regarding RFC 8089 X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:19:17 -0000 FWIW, the EMWAC (Edinburgh Uni) web server implemented proxying of non-HTTP URIs back in about 1998. I recall this capability being used by a company I worked for to implement content scanning of material accessed from FTP servers. Generally, I think it was quite common back then to put ftp:... into a browser bar and have that retrieved via HTTP and a proxy server. #g -- On 18/01/2019 22:29, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >> On Jan 18, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Larry Masinter wrote: >> >> This bit that HTTP can be used by a proxy to resolve any URLs, not just http: and https: ones, is weakly supported by a passing MAY. >> There isn't sufficient evidence of independent interoperable implementations (based on specification) for such a major extension to the "range of the HTTP dereference function". > > Hi Larry, > > We deployed this in 1994. > > http://1997.webhistory.org/www.lists/www-talk.1994q1/0549.html > > It is still implemented in many current proxying clients. > >> Yes, theoretically, something like this COULD be specified without breaking HTTP, > > It has been specified in HTTP/1.x since 1995. > >> but that's different from saying that scheme registrations can't restrict the use of fragment identifiers with URLs of that scheme. I think that if you want to allow fragments in URLs of a given scheme, the scheme definition should define how it should be treated by fetch, and if such use requires generation of "some metadata document", how those metadata documents work with fragment identifiers should be defined (by their MIME type's registration, I suppose). > > It is not a question of "want" or "should be treated", nor even a question of whether > or not is is a good idea. It is a fact. That's how HTTP was designed to work. > >> So I'd say no, you can't use a fragment identifier with a "mailto:" URL. Or a "sip:" one. But ok with "data:", and even "ftp" and "file". > > I can. I still remember implementing it in libwww-perl. > > .....Roy > > _______________________________________________ > art mailing list > art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/art > From nobody Tue Jan 29 19:40:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849F2130ED8 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AiofXfsAhgfH for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99E27131136 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 5323CB822A1; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) To: masinter@adobe.com, ben@nostrum.com, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, adam@nostrum.com, superuser@gmail.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: philip@philipmcgrath.com, art@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20190130034048.5323CB822A1@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Subject: [art] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7578 (5616) X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 03:40:52 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7578, "Returning Values from Forms: multipart/form-data". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5616 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Philip McGrath Section: 4.5 Original Text ------------- For example, a form with a text field in which a user typed "Joe owes 100", where is the Euro symbol, might have form data returned as: --AaB03x content-disposition: form-data; name="field1" content-type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Joe owes =E2=82=AC100. --AaB03x Corrected Text -------------- For example, a form with a text field in which a user typed "Joe owes 100", where is the Euro symbol, might have form data returned as: --AaB03x content-disposition: form-data; name="field1" content-type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Joe owes 100. --AaB03x Notes ----- Section 4.7 says that "Senders SHOULD NOT generate any parts with a Content-Transfer-Encoding header field." Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7578 (draft-ietf-appsawg-multipart-form-data-11) -------------------------------------- Title : Returning Values from Forms: multipart/form-data Publication Date : July 2015 Author(s) : L. Masinter Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : ART Area General Application Working Group Area : Applications and Real-Time Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Tue Jan 29 22:07:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B261311C0 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:07:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5RrdkGGJP6Fa for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B26B1311B3 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([91.61.54.30]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M7TQZ-1h3TvE2vbD-00xIZD; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 07:07:27 +0100 To: RFC Errata System , masinter@adobe.com, ben@nostrum.com, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, adam@nostrum.com, superuser@gmail.com Cc: art@ietf.org, philip@philipmcgrath.com References: <20190130034048.5323CB822A1@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 07:07:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190130034048.5323CB822A1@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:vuyhA1oVTlnbEG02wambGzNv0xxxH7tIBRm5HBeT7C+l/+YO69j Sv5InCHULhri/WlcbhRFP/sUHdQAt6LK1ePPedlTGS/JIOmAwkkSQgdaO0D1dEbx4Qi58lt 1xNvxOorD6FHEUgTLGcR2XGn1TNNX0CqcxDr5kww2f4qEoZS2iy0lGTLtoap8gj+6P8+erz Zg5z8ElVtIAyTo/5Qoa+Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:IBa1/LpeWLU=:wS/CvroUVayghzer1GTu+R fhHHU6tJvUiXhcIzQmdJGlwlqRbBB5LxWoLpZdtv8/JKfo65GCLMulpIqBY3jTPAmjDcIrUBw PVe/Uh1J5+9o14SecZbayrLmBOLuSL13fAJDcdnu1hJwLsrcMxFKPjSFoqGkmTzSy+NXGx5PD BJjBuIW2MMIU9WzuKJYZDxEHTa87/zCbN46bjForfS0qTYFuLoSAc9K4By8hbo5FvfzmSkhXy LkRwqvSJyIgrwzLOu+oVTlP3susPPLZmXv/1GdGiaA/jxS8QzS2EHd8cC3ICjSi9fz9xP0Lgi 2FufuHNoI79BNWTLpR6B2EAK5IEZomap32RQ0YiCVsDlgRS/cCo3L9N1pDwHDf+l+UElLyBSs z5nQ9+94PWzZOaplWTrfMRF8iHI4lzmpRzO1N6tisvjaT3bU40rzTYhsVSw3ss3w4JAmU1Yzn 0xFDn9A0fzwjqmr+c/ik26WEAwv/+kE2I40WmuCDndQoJTM9P9C5WNHZLgyJxinXmJNvs68w/ zwjsG41WPqZuEef6Dkvoxjq6XPxgcQVZ/b9aeWQWeeyipYF3QMhBmCrG6MwZeAZ67C88+lBQO 4RTOY66xHlqhnUqBZAtbDorE3qj7S9pHDvnLZFamIZ/C836wEtGAkJeUHKgVN/3pmPVXuOObd ps+UfdJWcH/i3H2L9HbaZ9TENKxQNz/lTDMAgUxJSC97jWVXj++GRPvoVTdcau/lP9hlawBN0 kwAx+Ns2EQ2GeZ3MUR/gWARx1WsCW7k+dZxGqqZF7tpreFeoz3qhK3ABaSrXA3S8PgjL5pKwQ x/uOh8/6GAo7HA4esNNNvniqNtRGeAA5DoZKB2q3Q+aLJj1H4NO6lyRKKKhahmVnPLe3OTXAX jALmPzEVW/epB/v4r5CYXeHNLeWymW3xB2gd+uxmGFAohTD+fWAXte2tt+gzKV4ev/LGO+Nkq 0+a2tkyLGew== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7578 (5616) X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:07:53 -0000 On 2019-01-30 04:40, RFC Errata System wrote: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7578, > "Returning Values from Forms: multipart/form-data". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5616 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Philip McGrath > > Section: 4.5 > > Original Text > ------------- > For example, a form with a text field in > which a user typed "Joe owes 100", where is the Euro symbol, > might have form data returned as: > --AaB03x > content-disposition: form-data; name="field1" > content-type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > Joe owes =E2=82=AC100. > --AaB03x > > Corrected Text > -------------- > For example, a form with a text field in > which a user typed "Joe owes 100", where is the Euro symbol, > might have form data returned as: > --AaB03x > content-disposition: form-data; name="field1" > content-type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > Joe owes 100. > --AaB03x > > Notes > ----- > Section 4.7 says that "Senders SHOULD NOT generate any parts with a Content-Transfer-Encoding header field." > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > ... Is this erratum about the encoding used in the payload, or about the presence of C-T-E? Please clarify. 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Worley) To: RFC Errata System Cc: masinter@adobe.com, ben@nostrum.com, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, adam@nostrum.com, superuser@gmail.com, art@ietf.org, philip@philipmcgrath.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org In-Reply-To: <20190130034048.5323CB822A1@rfc-editor.org> Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: <87va251q01.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7578 (5616) X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 03:10:30 -0000 RFC Errata System writes: > [RFC7578] Section: 4.5 > > Original Text > ------------- > For example, a form with a text field in > which a user typed "Joe owes 100", where is the Euro symbol, > might have form data returned as: > --AaB03x > content-disposition: form-data; name="field1" > content-type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > Joe owes =E2=82=AC100. > --AaB03x > > Corrected Text > -------------- > For example, a form with a text field in > which a user typed "Joe owes 100", where is the Euro symbol, > might have form data returned as: > --AaB03x > content-disposition: form-data; name="field1" > content-type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > Joe owes 100. > --AaB03x > > Notes > ----- > Section 4.7 says that "Senders SHOULD NOT generate any parts with a Content-Transfer-Encoding header field." The "Original Text" gives an example, which seems to me to be correct. However, as the erratum notes, the example violates the SHOULD NOT in section 4.7. And as section 4.7 notes, "Currently, no deployed implementations that send such bodies have been discovered.", suggesting that the example is not representative of current practice. But the proposed "Corrected Text" is itself incorrect, in that the Content-Transfer-Encoding header is still present -- the given body isn't valid for quoted-printable. 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2019 13:20:19 -0500 (EST) Date: 31 Jan 2019 13:20:19 -0500 Message-Id: <20190131182019.C9AAB200D8F70C@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: art@ietf.org Cc: worley@ariadne.com In-Reply-To: <87va251q01.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7578 (5616) X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 18:20:24 -0000 In article <87va251q01.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> you write: >> Section 4.7 says that "Senders SHOULD NOT generate any parts with a Content-Transfer-Encoding header field." > >The "Original Text" gives an example, which seems to me to be correct. >However, as the erratum notes, the example violates the SHOULD NOT in >section 4.7. And as section 4.7 notes, "Currently, no deployed >implementations that send such bodies have been discovered.", suggesting >that the example is not representative of current practice. > >But the proposed "Corrected Text" is itself incorrect, in that the >Content-Transfer-Encoding header is still present -- the given body >isn't valid for quoted-printable. I'd leave it alone. The example makes sense as is -- we don't encourage encoding the data but if you have to, here's how to do it. At most hold for update to either redo the example with no encoding or add a warning about why this is a bad example. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Thu Jan 31 10:53:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: art@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB273130E62 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 10:53:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1152-bit key) header.d=tana.it Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7bDqIHJPXtf8 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 10:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from wmail.tana.it (wmail.tana.it [62.94.243.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F395124BAA for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 10:53:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tana.it; s=gamma; t=1548960789; bh=QL0IEfy2BJ62R2grCV95sD1sPgfcdHp3dIPnhPnNxYw=; l=1429; h=To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=AFx0ZXr1+P6/A/8fN+3zmZQTiYyCpP8JdvNUfD+/hGIMERZfTyTREujDlmpNsdKX0 9H6jLaDBwXXiSgSdCK25tOgpMs59S+C0KxhdNvLwIoh+nsTefarTaeAlUnPs3UUpwJ TVlzGUVtBft34D4V3DTjfmqtgaUvw9cFA+e5F43nsgtk/Rvnt+SrxY8gCQmBk Authentication-Results: tana.it; auth=pass (details omitted) Received: from [172.25.197.111] (pcale.tana [172.25.197.111]) (AUTH: CRAM-MD5 uXDGrn@SYT0/k) by wmail.tana.it with ESMTPA; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:53:09 +0100 id 00000000005DC03D.000000005C534415.0000600C To: art@ietf.org References: <20190131182019.C9AAB200D8F70C@ary.qy> From: Alessandro Vesely Openpgp: id=0A5B4BB141A53F7F55FC8CBCB6ACF44490D17C00 Message-ID: <2c563659-2798-998a-b392-b91c583bf590@tana.it> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:53:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190131182019.C9AAB200D8F70C@ary.qy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [art] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7578 (5616) X-BeenThere: art@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 18:53:16 -0000 On Thu 31/Jan/2019 19:20:19 +0100 John Levine wrote: > In article <87va251q01.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> you write: >>> Section 4.7 says that "Senders SHOULD NOT generate any parts with a Content-Transfer-Encoding header field." >> >>The "Original Text" gives an example, which seems to me to be correct. >>However, as the erratum notes, the example violates the SHOULD NOT in >>section 4.7. And as section 4.7 notes, "Currently, no deployed >>implementations that send such bodies have been discovered.", suggesting >>that the example is not representative of current practice. >> >>But the proposed "Corrected Text" is itself incorrect, in that the >>Content-Transfer-Encoding header is still present -- the given body >>isn't valid for quoted-printable. > > I'd leave it alone. The example makes sense as is -- we don't > encourage encoding the data but if you have to, here's how to do it. > > At most hold for update to either redo the example with no encoding or > add a warning about why this is a bad example. Redoing the example without visible encoding (possibly writing € instead of ) would make little sense, as the reader cannot check what character set is being used, which is what the example means to show. Alternatively, it could say "where is the Euro symbol encoded in UTF-8", to make the example comprehensible, but still less clear than it is now. Best Ale --