From 777momo333@docomo.ne.jp Sun Feb 04 06:05:32 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDfBc-0007p3-Du for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 06:05:32 -0500 Received: from [220.194.47.148] (helo=kimu03.alpha.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDfBa-0006j7-Kl for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 06:05:32 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?g4GBW4OLgqCC6IKqgsaCpIKygrSCooLcgrWCvYH0?= From: 瑞奈 To: atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org Message-ID: 20070204200243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="SHIFT_JIS" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:03:02 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 お久し振りです。瑞奈です。 先日はメールありがとうございました。 返事が遅くなってしまい、申し訳ありません。 前のメールで質問されていた仕事の話ですが・・・ 私は専業主婦なんです。 去年の12月からずっと家のことをやってて、それで忙しかったんです。 家事は楽しいんですが、さすがに疲れが・・・（＞＜ こんな生活なので出会いもないし、誰かに甘えたくなっちゃう事も多くて。 それで、急にこんな事をいうと変に思われるかもしれませんが 一度会ってお話をしたいのですが、ご迷惑でしょうか？ 私は世田谷区に住んでいる31歳です。 一緒にゴハンを食べたり、たくさんお話がしたいです♪ できれば今週末、新宿か渋谷あたりが私は都合がいいのですが いかがでしょうか？ http://dalir.noor.jp/848908.htm 最近、このサイトを利用しているので ここからメールを下さいませんか？ mixiもやっているのですが、こちらの方が居心地がいいので このサイトばかりを使ってます（＾＾； それでは、お返事をお待ちしていますね。 瑞奈 From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 09 22:45:38 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFjBC-0007Ha-Bo for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:45:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFjB7-0002ox-Mg for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:45:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1A3NPdw099860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1A3NPTl099858; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:23:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mcom.com (r2d2.aoltw.net [64.236.137.26]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1A3NOAu099843 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jpanzer@aol.net) Received: from areophany.nscp.aoltw.net (areophany.nscp.aoltw.net [10.169.155.201]) by mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id l1A3NCd15420 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by areophany.nscp.aoltw.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8614913EEB3 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from areophany.nscp.aoltw.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (areophany.nscp.aoltw.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10002-01 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.169.186.5] (sera-10-169-186-5.nscp.aoltw.net [10.169.186.5]) by areophany.nscp.aoltw.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8F513EEA4 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:23:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:23:14 -0800 From: John Panzer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (Windows/20041201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Atom Syntax Subject: Query re: support of Media RSS extensions inside Atom feeds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090802030305090907020704" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL, HTML_50_60, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 76c7db407a166e4c39f35d8215d8dd32 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090802030305090907020704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of any issues with placing Yahoo! Media RSS extensions (which seem to fit the requirments for Atom extensions to me) inside an Atom feed? Secondarily, do feed readers in general recognize MRSS inside either Atom or RSS? Looking for field experience/implementor intentions here. Thanks, -- Abstractioneer John Panzer System Architect http://abstractioneer.org --------------090802030305090907020704 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------050500040000060907030104" --------------050500040000060907030104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of any issues with placing Yahoo! Media RSS extensions (which seem to fit the requirments for Atom extensions to me) inside an Atom feed?  Secondarily, do feed readers in general recognize MRSS inside either Atom or RSS?  Looking for field experience/implementor intentions here.

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(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1A5FVSw006722; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1A5FUh9006715 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so1054764wxd for ; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:15:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; 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( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13sm4913198wrl.2007.02.09.21.15.27; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:15:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45CD54E7.10804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:15:19 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Panzer CC: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Query re: support of Media RSS extensions inside Atom feeds References: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> In-Reply-To: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab I'm not sure if there are any feed readers that support MRSS in Atom but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. A while back I implemented minimal support for the MRSS extensions in Abdera with very little difficulty. - James John Panzer wrote: > Does anyone know of any issues with placing Yahoo! Media RSS extensions > (which seem to fit the requirments for Atom extensions to me) inside an > Atom feed? Secondarily, do feed readers in general recognize MRSS > inside either Atom or RSS? Looking for field experience/implementor > intentions here. > > Thanks, > -- > > Abstractioneer John Panzer > System Architect > http://abstractioneer.org From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Feb 10 11:16:12 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFutY-00075w-BR for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:16:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFutU-0005oH-RW for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:16:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1AFoTYs044863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1AFoTpO044862; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.109]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1AFoSji044853 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from j4_james@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.9.144]) by bay0-omc1-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:50:28 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:50:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 85.210.58.165 by BAY120-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:50:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [85.210.58.165] X-Originating-Email: [j4_james@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j4_james@hotmail.com From: "James Holderness" To: "Atom Syntax" References: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> Subject: Re: Query re: support of Media RSS extensions inside Atom feeds Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:48:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2007 15:50:28.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F9A91E0:01C74D2B] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 John Panzer wrote: > Does anyone know of any issues with placing Yahoo! Media RSS > extensions (which seem to fit the requirments for Atom > extensions to me) inside an Atom feed? Secondarily, do feed > readers in general recognize MRSS inside either Atom or RSS? > Looking for field experience/implementor intentions here. To the best of my knowledge, feed readers don't even recognize MRSS inside RSS feeds. It probably depends what features of the spec you're intending to use, but back when I was testing enclosure support I couldn't find a single feed reader that recognised MRSS media:content elements (having tested more than 20). Add to that the fact that the spec is buggy, so the feeds that do use it often aren't compatible with each other; and most of what MRSS offers can already be achieved quite adequately using existing RSS/Atom elements (with the added bonus that feed readers will actually see the data). IMHO it's probably not worth bothering with. That said, I know there are feed libraries that support it to some extent (in RSS at least) so there must be some people using it. Regards James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Feb 10 12:41:38 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFwEE-00060u-Rg for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:41:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFwED-0006pz-FJ for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:41:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1AHIq5H051208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1AHIq8L051207; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1AHInn3051200 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so1170714wra for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:18:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RNlPjKl3fS8AWwDeRI7cQCxMhRTzZmjz2kMVtU2Okzpewxdwbi2DA8Q52C0f1uQJU/DrOCTx6UEACZWZIodEZYBxaqyb5v282WvZqy/H25eEvqHIXWKZOgBjyTyOvJFaWUitf6rvJlbH5bM6SsqOMPFs92aR22cq6Vz9l1uTLq0= Received: by 10.90.56.14 with SMTP id e14mr14614479aga.1171127928536; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 29sm6476252wrl.2007.02.10.09.18.46; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45CDFE74.90707@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:18:44 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Holderness CC: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Query re: support of Media RSS extensions inside Atom feeds References: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 That's a big assumption. The only reason I added it to Abdera was to prove a point about being able to support RSS extensions in Atom. I haven't come across any implementation that makes use of the extensions. - James James Holderness wrote: > [snip] > That said, I know there are feed libraries that support it to some > extent (in RSS at least) so there must be some people using it. > > Regards > James > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Feb 10 14:20:03 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFxlT-0000Ko-87 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:20:03 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFxaa-000898-EQ for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:09:03 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1AIpFFK057144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1AIpFkY057143; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:51:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fepv01.charter.net (fepv01.charter.net [209.225.8.200]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1AIpDuu057135 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from antone@geckotribe.com) Received: from aa10.charter.net ([10.20.200.162]) by fepv01.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070210185112.RIHH7748.fepv01.charter.net@aa10.charter.net> for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:51:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [68.118.151.112]) by aa10.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070210185112.PTFY1313.aa10.charter.net@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:51:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> References: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <342F7510-A6B0-4682-B453-5704FB795E27@geckotribe.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Antone Roundy Subject: Re: Query re: support of Media RSS extensions inside Atom feeds Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:51:10 -0600 To: atom-syntax@imc.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f On Feb 9, 2007, at 9:23 PM, John Panzer wrote: > Does anyone know of any issues with placing Yahoo! Media RSS > extensions (which seem to fit the requirments for Atom extensions > to me) inside an Atom feed? Secondarily, do feed readers in > general recognize MRSS inside either Atom or RSS? Looking for > field experience/implementor intentions here. CaRP partially supports Media RSS in RSS (it doesn't directly support Atom at all, and Grouper, the companion script that converts Atom to RSS for it doesn't yet have Media RSS support, though I may add it in the next update). It only looks at elements pointing to images (@type="image/*") and their types, heights and widths. I added this in response to user requests--primarily, I believe, for use with Flickr feeds. Antone From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 12 19:51:38 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HGltS-0002Ah-8l for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:51:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HGltQ-0006XZ-Sk for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:51:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1D0MnWK082743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1D0MnEU082742; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1D0Mmk8082736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:22:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from prabhaka@apple.com) Received: from relay8.apple.com (a17-128-113-38.apple.com [17.128.113.38]) by mail-out3.apple.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D0MlNo023196; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:22:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay8.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay8.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 981EF40029; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:22:47 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807126-9bfc6bb00000685d-46-45d104d72f4b In-Reply-To: <342F7510-A6B0-4682-B453-5704FB795E27@geckotribe.com> References: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> <342F7510-A6B0-4682-B453-5704FB795E27@geckotribe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C38C1B2-735B-493C-965C-09AA95693668@apple.com> Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ernest Prabhakar Subject: Re: Query re: support of Media RSS extensions inside Atom feeds Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:22:50 -0800 To: Antone Roundy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a > On Feb 9, 2007, at 9:23 PM, John Panzer wrote: >> Does anyone know of any issues with placing Yahoo! Media RSS >> extensions (which seem to fit the requirments for Atom extensions >> to me) inside an Atom feed? Secondarily A year or two ago there was discussion of doing an IETF working group to add Media RSS (or equivalent) extensions to Atom. Is there any interest in reviving that effort? -- Ernie P. On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Antone Roundy wrote: > >> , do feed readers in general recognize MRSS inside either Atom or >> RSS? Looking for field experience/implementor intentions here. > > CaRP partially supports Media RSS in RSS (it doesn't directly > support Atom at all, and Grouper, the companion script that > converts Atom to RSS for it doesn't yet have Media RSS support, > though I may add it in the next update). It only looks at elements > pointing to images (@type="image/*") and their types, heights and > widths. I added this in response to user requests--primarily, I > believe, for use with Flickr feeds. > > Antone > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 12 19:58:52 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HGm0S-0006R5-8g for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:58:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HGm0P-00077s-Qw for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:58:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1D0hFh9083773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1D0hFeE083772; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:43:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1D0hEsN083765 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:43:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so1967113wri for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:43:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FPL3qv3wvMD2rpV6ishY9aLSzfli3x8b4Syl0b48F8IsOe1ESW1tqLniSOywLkJFMgcm+kOhC1N88m8yyAVwNa2pvm5Trub6rUyiNFO1OyFnPbJaMXdFwH9DHGIDY7nMVThCySBDprkqCKYhOl1MdsRYwK/cFl+YagnpY3sy9gg= Received: by 10.90.32.14 with SMTP id f14mr18247333agf.1171327391564; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g7sm15419054wra.2007.02.12.16.43.09; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:43:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45D1099B.8020208@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:43:07 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernest Prabhakar CC: Antone Roundy , atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Query re: support of Media RSS extensions inside Atom feeds References: <45CD3AA2.9080809@aol.net> <342F7510-A6B0-4682-B453-5704FB795E27@geckotribe.com> <5C38C1B2-735B-493C-965C-09AA95693668@apple.com> In-Reply-To: <5C38C1B2-735B-493C-965C-09AA95693668@apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 I'd be all for it assuming it didn't go off in the weeds. - James Ernest Prabhakar wrote: > >> On Feb 9, 2007, at 9:23 PM, John Panzer wrote: >>> Does anyone know of any issues with placing Yahoo! Media RSS >>> extensions (which seem to fit the requirments for Atom extensions to >>> me) inside an Atom feed? Secondarily > > A year or two ago there was discussion of doing an IETF working group to > add Media RSS (or equivalent) extensions to Atom. > > Is there any interest in reviving that effort? > > -- Ernie P. > > On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Antone Roundy wrote: > >> >>> , do feed readers in general recognize MRSS inside either Atom or >>> RSS? Looking for field experience/implementor intentions here. >> >> CaRP partially supports Media RSS in RSS (it doesn't directly support >> Atom at all, and Grouper, the companion script that converts Atom to >> RSS for it doesn't yet have Media RSS support, though I may add it in >> the next update). It only looks at elements pointing to images >> (@type="image/*") and their types, heights and widths. I added this >> in response to user requests--primarily, I believe, for use with >> Flickr feeds. >> >> Antone >> > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 13 16:12:03 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH4wV-0001GW-Oi for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:12:03 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH4wJ-00037E-NV for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:12:03 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1DKo5Dp071739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1DKo5Ul071738; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ns3.neustar.com (ns3.neustar.com [156.154.24.138]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1DKo3vX071732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@ietf.org) Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B956F17624; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HH4bC-0002wu-FE; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:50:02 -0500 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Atom Publishing Format and Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : The Atom Publishing Protocol Author(s) : B. de Hora, J. Gregorio Filename : draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt Pages : 59 Date : 2007-2-13 The Atom Publishing Protocol (APP) is an application-level protocol for publishing and editing Web resources. The protocol is based on HTTP transport of Atom-formatted representations. The Atom format is documented in the Atom Syndication Format [RFC4287]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-2-13130023.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-2-13130023.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 13 16:38:00 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH5Lc-0001L4-Gd for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:38:00 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH5Lb-00009o-5W for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:38:00 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1DLLDar074224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1DLLDEK074223; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:21:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l1DLLCt6074210 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:21:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Feb 2007 21:21:11 -0000 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uTN1rkj/uPGSgfeTCXLoTBBMt1XmoDw7+PR+Ziw Wt9A== Message-ID: <45D22BC9.6070600@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:21:13 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax@imc.org, Atom-Protocol Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org schrieb: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > ... Hmmm, didn't we have agreement to change 'application/atomserv+xml' to 'application/atomsvc+xml'? Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 13 16:57:53 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH5er-0001sj-37 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:57:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH5eo-0002pN-Ky for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:57:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1DLXOsF075054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1DLXOLP075053; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1DLXN43075046 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:33:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so978456wxd for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:33:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hGXfvkga5H99vk48r4zbpcIrIE1N4HgogQPGlnLap1g7jhSTnKPDwZpELvd8tWi+V7ovo7gCFljn8T2sLqslwuZuKdbEstFZaPYw0uAA96EE8a6wjCyjdLQEa5dz1r/ATkLREpcLB2iGw9bXqLAI3koIQo4E7koLiEqVpkpWHdU= Received: by 10.70.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr27278028wxb.1171402401291; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i13sm14160312wxd.2007.02.13.13.33.19; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:33:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45D22E9D.3000705@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:33:17 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d I was going to say ship it but I noticed one major problem: the app:categories element is defined twice: once in section 7 and again in 8.2.5. I realize that these are different contexts (e.g. categories as a standalone doc vs. an element in the service doc) but it's entirely unnecessary to define 'em in both places. - James Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Atom Publishing Format and Protocol Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : The Atom Publishing Protocol > Author(s) : B. de Hora, J. Gregorio > Filename : draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt > Pages : 59 > Date : 2007-2-13 > > The Atom Publishing Protocol (APP) is an application-level protocol > for publishing and editing Web resources. The protocol is based on > HTTP transport of Atom-formatted representations. The Atom format is > documented in the Atom Syndication Format [RFC4287]. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt > [snip] From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 13 17:06:12 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH5mu-0003pI-2Q for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:06:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HH5mp-0003kp-Lk for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:06:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1DLm4d8076073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1DLm4Dx076072; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1DLm3os076064 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:48:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joe.gregorio@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so982259wxd for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ezqrbIxm3qrhfMa32Uheq1veeSNUl2KqzAMvf1wlz6Zm0rmmd+RfoRK0SbdNekVa0wR8yaatZeszyqeqkEodlo0zighEQeTr0780rrcEibpbxjwCxfWLO7IPAYcDKl4x5FrxnGF8XqaNsQ7ew9gXPUOl3JrGVYu31nUXzVY11S4= Received: by 10.90.89.5 with SMTP id m5mr19992664agb.1171403282654; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.113.15 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3f1451f50702131348h40b75860k67c0bafb1fb26c3b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:48:02 -0500 From: "Joe Gregorio" To: "Julian Reschke" Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org, Atom-Protocol In-Reply-To: <45D22BC9.6070600@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45D22BC9.6070600@gmx.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c23cc049ed732d89 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 On 2/13/07, Julian Reschke wrote: > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org schrieb: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > ... > > Hmmm, didn't we have agreement to change 'application/atomserv+xml' to > 'application/atomsvc+xml'? A consensus call was asked for [1] but I didn't receive one from the chairs, even after asking off-list, so I left it unchanged. [1] http://www.imc.org/atom-protocol/mail-archive/msg07457.html Sorry, -joe -- Joe Gregorio http://bitworking.org From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 15 10:26:12 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HHiUu-0005V6-BW for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:26:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HHiUs-00078I-VW for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:26:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1FEsHgr059302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1FEsHmi059301; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1FEsEE3059289 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hwinkler@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so987606nfc for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:54:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ofDCybtxpzHqg9Bpts7bo9Dk3GBEpollp7qK39Ugyc2EeGsD+7P0v9FIApI7kcD3vSIajRXx7js0Ahl/Fc1st8cSR5uOHaG+gn4YbnRohRDKNiYESbQTkeQPVtrfF1yGfQuYgVwOx6eT/SGNL7etjazn0E+8bSlwINGqmKbnets= Received: by 10.82.155.10 with SMTP id c10mr2929083bue.1171551249621; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.113.16 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:54:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <927441b30702150654l34943e99h24c5221786b9fe7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:54:09 -0600 From: "Hugh Winkler" To: "Internet-Drafts@ietf.org" Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-13.txt Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7070143ae3f13ccf Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Re the type parameter (sec. 12): I earlier suggested to define file extensions for feed and entry documents, and that suggestion got some +1s and no objections. Let me reiterate points: 1. If the "different processing models" models require we be able to distinguish feeds from entries by mime types, then i we'll want to be able to distinguish them using file extensions. RFC 4288 has a place for you to fill it in. 2. When you do that exercise you'll see that no existing software will be able to map the mime type to the correct file extension. Existing software can choose a file extension based on the major type/subtype pair -- it will not parse out parameters looking for one named "type". The transformation is not reversible -- we can go from file extensions to mime types but not the other way. 3. There will be no such problem if you simply choose a new subtype to describe entry documents. Hugh -- Hugh Winkler Wellstorm Development http://www.wellstorm.com/ +1 512 694 4795 mobile (preferred) +1 512 264 3998 office From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Feb 15 12:31:11 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HHkRr-0003jd-2y for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:31:11 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HHkRp-0001Xe-C8 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:31:11 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1FH1Rod070432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1FH1RJf070431; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1FH1Qso070424 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so623182wxd for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:01:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dJi724JKPTAlLhaEGVSCJTrHi96bptYVV74sBRPSDMrkMfGEWNdP7fdMDMdjAmrTc3qsn2adJdzbNzqfmpMfPkrsf9eqdk1QHAtPS0tlOKi18HmdrwoY03hkMWfop3yNPNRhJq1D//Trinocka488MbVgZvt33OigCJBoCjeqVE= Received: by 10.70.57.2 with SMTP id f2mr3401620wxa.1171558881064; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h16sm3281445wxd.2007.02.15.09.01.19; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:01:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45D491DD.6020509@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:01:17 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-protocol , atom-syntax Subject: IBM IPR Disclosure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f All, As a general FYI, IBM just filed a blanket IPR disclosure [1] relating to the activity of the Atompub WG. Before any misinformation starts going around about this I thought it would be a good idea to give y'all a heads up. As of right now IBM has NO KNOWN patents or applications for patents that read on the Atom specs. However, as is well known, IBM has a massive IPR portfolio and it would take a very long time and cost a lot of money for us to dig through 'em all to know for certain. Rather than spend the time and energy doing that, IBM has agreed to a blanket commitment to Royalty Free terms for any IPR that reads on the Standards Track specifications produced by the atompub Working Group. Again, I want to reiterate that there are no patents we are currently aware of nor are there any applications in progress that we are currently aware of. There are basically two reasons we are doing this: 1. We think the Atom Syndication Format and the Atom Publishing Protocol are really important. 2. We want anyone to be able to implement Atom without any fear of patent hell (and we're really hoping that others agree). I must add that I am not a IPR expert by any stretch of the imagination. If you have questions, please direct them to me and I will answer what I can or I will forward them on to our IP Law experts. - James [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/ipr_detail_show.cgi?&ipr_id=804 From gbyyb4bdfe436yb45w5y45@yahoo.co.jp Fri Feb 16 04:45:21 2007 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HHzea-0004UI-TN for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:45:21 -0500 Received: from [221.201.226.138] (helo=lists.ietf.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HHzeZ-0005n8-7M for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:45:20 -0500 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJWElayVeJSw7TTlmGyhC?= Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ0s9dyROZSsbKEI=?= To: X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 $B%;%C%/%9$,L\E*$@$H;W$$$^$9!#(B $BC/$K$bCN$i$l$J$$HkL)$NCK=w4X78$KF4$l$kJ}!9$N$?$a$KMQ0U$7$^$7$?!#(B $B=i$a$F$NJ}$O%3%A%i$+$i(B $B!!!!!!"-"-"-"-"-(B $B!!(Bhttp://kzjw.com/ajn/ $BHkL)87)$a$7$^$9!#$-$C$H5$$KF~$C$F$b$i$($k$H;W$$$^$9!#(B $BEv>pJs%a!<%k$rITMW$JJ}$O$* From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJWElayVeJSw7TTlmGyhC?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCQ0s9dyROZSsbKEI=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 $B%;%C%/%9$,L\E*$@$H;W$$$^$9!#(B $BC/$K$bCN$i$l$J$$HkL)$NCK=w4X78$KF4$l$kJ}!9$N$?$a$KMQ0U$7$^$7$?!#(B $B=i$a$F$NJ}$O%3%A%i$+$i(B $B!!!!!!"-"-"-"-"-(B $B!!(Bhttp://kzjw.com/ajn/ $BHkL)87)$a$7$^$9!#$-$C$H5$$KF~$C$F$b$i$($k$H;W$$$^$9!#(B $BEv>pJs%a!<%k$rITMW$JJ}$O$*; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elharo@metalab.unc.edu) Received: (qmail 31057 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 13:16:47 -0000 Received: from dsl254-067-087.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.254.100]) (elharo@[216.254.67.87]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Feb 2007 13:16:47 -0000 Message-ID: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:16:43 -0500 From: Elliotte Harold User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Atom Syntax Subject: Current and permalink link rel values Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l1NDGpID050484 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 I'd like to add multiple links to my feed for both the current version=20 of the story and the permalink. E.g. Matt Mullenweg has released Wordpress 2.1.1 and 2.0.9.

Matt Mullenweg has released Wordpress= =20 2.1.1 and 2.0.9.

http://www.cafeconleche.org/#February_22_2007_30633 2007-02-22T09:31:33Z In particular is "rel=3D'permalink'" a reasonable way to do this? Might i= t=20 make sense to register current and permalink values for the rel=20 attribute in the IANA Registry of Link Relations? Or something like them? By the way, http://www.iana.org/assignments/relation/ is 404. This is=20 referenced in the Atom 1.0 spec. It doesn't really need to be resolved,=20 but it would be nice to put something there. --=20 =EF=BB=BFElliotte Rusty Harold elharo@metalab.unc.edu Java I/O 2nd Edition Just Published! http://www.cafeaulait.org/books/javaio2/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=3D0596527500/ref=3Dnosim/cafeaulai= tA/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 09:52:13 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKbmP-0002ma-DC for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:52:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKbmJ-0007WF-8k for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:52:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NEINl5055998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NEINNi055997; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l1NEIL2d055989 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:18:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derhoermi@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2007 14:18:19 -0000 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18JCnYKxtcJOsx3GjMkzyzSOhLh12rilpotY0ovuu Hxpg== From: Bjoern Hoehrmann To: Elliotte Harold Cc: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Current and permalink link rel values Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:18:20 +0100 Message-ID: <3sttt2hojfk5kof6kpb6433mmu0jqsnmcl@hive.bjoern.hoehrmann.de> References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> In-Reply-To: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l1NEINl5055998 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 * Elliotte Harold wrote: >By the way, http://www.iana.org/assignments/relation/ is 404. This is=20 >referenced in the Atom 1.0 spec. It doesn't really need to be resolved,=20 >but it would be nice to put something there. Interesting. http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations.html is the right address at the moment. --=20 Bj=F6rn H=F6hrmann =B7 mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de =B7 http://bjoern.hoehr= mann.de Weinh. Str. 22 =B7 Telefon: +49(0)621/4309674 =B7 http://www.bjoernsworld= .de 68309 Mannheim =B7 PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 =B7 http://www.websitedev.d= e/=20 From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 10:10:36 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKc4C-0000I4-RV for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:10:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKc0H-0002Q9-I6 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:06:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NEYX44057514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NEYXjm057513; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:34:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fepweb01.charter.net (fepweb01.charter.net [209.225.8.101]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NEYWX0057504 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from antone@geckotribe.com) Received: from aa11.charter.net ([10.20.200.163]) by fepweb01.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070223143428.PRQO18100.fepweb01.charter.net@aa11.charter.net> for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:34:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [68.118.151.112]) by aa11.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070223143428.FJTK1417.aa11.charter.net@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:34:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Antone Roundy Subject: Re: Current and permalink link rel values Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:34:13 -0600 To: atom-syntax@imc.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 On Feb 23, 2007, at 7:16 AM, Elliotte Harold wrote: > I'd like to add multiple links to my feed for both the current > version of the story and the permalink. E.g. ... > > Both of those would probably be best described as "alternate" links. The second one in particular is what "alternate" was intended to be used for. However, RFC 4287 contains the following: o atom:entry elements MUST NOT contain more than one atom:link element with a rel attribute value of "alternate" that has the same combination of type and hreflang attribute values. So you couldn't keep both as "alternate" links. In my opinion, you should use the second one (the longer lasting one) only, and omit the first (which is going to become invalid as soon as the entry falls off the page anyway -- anyone who used it to get to your page and bookmarked it, and anyone who follows it from a cached copy of your feed isn't going to be able to find the entry without a lot of needless digging through your archives). You should have a link to http://www.cafeconleche.org/ at the feed level. While that won't link directly to that entry, it'll get people to it as long as it's on that page. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 10:39:42 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKcWM-0000MU-7O for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:39:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKcWK-0001XE-R6 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:39:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NFGgjP060996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NFGeb4060993; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:16:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NFGaNY060984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elharo@metalab.unc.edu) Received: (qmail 16870 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 15:16:33 -0000 Received: from dsl254-067-087.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.254.100]) (elharo@[216.254.67.87]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Feb 2007 15:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <45DF0551.7010901@metalab.unc.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:16:33 -0500 From: Elliotte Harold User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antone Roundy CC: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Current and permalink link rel values References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l1NFGgjP060996 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Antone Roundy wrote: > Both of those would probably be best described as "alternate" links. =20 > The second one in particular is what "alternate" was intended to be use= d=20 > for. However, RFC 4287 contains the following: >=20 > o atom:entry elements MUST NOT contain more than one atom:link > element with a rel attribute value of "alternate" that has the > same combination of type and hreflang attribute values. >=20 Furthermore, a link element with no explicit rel attribute is assumed to=20 be an alternate link, though I think this counts against the maximum of=20 1 given above. Consequently I suspect (though have not yet tested) that at least some=20 feed readers pick the alternate link as the default when there's more=20 than one. I suspect others pick the first in document order. Does anyone know how feed readers actually do choose among multiple=20 possible links in an entry? --=20 =EF=BB=BFElliotte Rusty Harold elharo@metalab.unc.edu Java I/O 2nd Edition Just Published! http://www.cafeaulait.org/books/javaio2/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=3D0596527500/ref=3Dnosim/cafeaulai= tA/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 10:44:01 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKcaX-0001Jd-I8 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:44:01 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKcaV-0002kr-56 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:44:01 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NFMBR0061440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NFMBuA061439; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NFMAxn061432 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:22:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so371475and for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:22:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kEVVPlpyrB8AcULIRl5ng1c6dj3ApA0tN908GsWy11kjQuyd9mKQPctOs6H60C+icc7uLrdz+Izdix5MWWOGwlX1BTO1TH6Au+OV5tsRhBnXQtKyzIFJw1VJ2h9gou3sBYVMxdaSOr6yeFrFI7kDw/ai0cvqzqusN3+f9wwb54s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wbgn+pNfndAH1IUPIS42Rl3eJq8hoNajKRKr0p8nsf2iVm9ojXsG+2wYNEdHqQullHg2aiPasGGqKvg2JpECdEhV9L2B+F7V7ZoSCf8gFrQDW9TaKwjmbkAGQLt2akFgRtwgrNG0RPGJiew/Gq/V5DKh0mu/rh6+Ioy9cGmWvFA= Received: by 10.100.141.13 with SMTP id o13mr1415302and.1172244129254; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 33sm2926866wra.2007.02.23.07.22.08; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45DF069F.5060202@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:22:07 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Current and permalink link rel values References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f +1. Antone Roundy wrote: > [snip] > So you couldn't keep both as "alternate" links. In my opinion, you > should use the second one (the longer lasting one) only, and omit the > first (which is going to become invalid as soon as the entry falls off > the page anyway -- anyone who used it to get to your page and bookmarked > it, and anyone who follows it from a cached copy of your feed isn't > going to be able to find the entry without a lot of needless digging > through your archives). You should have a link to > http://www.cafeconleche.org/ at the feed level. While that won't link > directly to that entry, it'll get people to it as long as it's on that > page. > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 11:05:13 2007 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKcv3-00037M-OB for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:05:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKcuy-0007Xe-MG for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:05:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NFhBFg063195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NFhBnt063194; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NFhA4l063188 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so377259and for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:43:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Bw3+IV5bhPp1i/EjLr4CpCFYUI55yVmjUdrdUT7B6uhTqVG/k4okOBHbzRyE6yhx5Q4WwMjYA5EgR8NXoU/eCZ6T5t/CR1NHt5xjlIc3NurKu0zPPQd/V2Wn2Yu43Nn83peWDuG7BNyWNtgc1j06r4PmElEcJeRgwoyqK3DKqVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X9ZIM4RBsRtgByAFnufjQog/t+0XUZsCW2xgYIR74tXf8ccgA35uDKW9CZo2DgIO6sPXMm75es5c0QGtSj6Gg5easnur3Yk5U61LGKtrENCxPgW2G8A0/UahHbtfd+kkG4ni4DgxLM4hJ9E34gKN8jNnv8nH4z2bMzuOOwkW9Ow= Received: by 10.100.163.12 with SMTP id l12mr1458260ane.1172245388111; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g3sm2968833wra.2007.02.23.07.43.07; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:43:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45DF0B89.6060107@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:43:05 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elliotte Harold CC: Antone Roundy , atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Current and permalink link rel values References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> <45DF0551.7010901@metalab.unc.edu> In-Reply-To: <45DF0551.7010901@metalab.unc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Last I had checked (last spring) it was a mess. Some readers picked the first alternate link in the document; some readers picked the last alternate link in the document; some readers picked the first link in the document regardless of it's rel value; some readers picked the last link in the document regardless of rel value; one reader would even completely ignore atom:source elements in the entry and would choose links from that depending on where the atom:source was placed in the entry. Hopefully it's gotten better since but I don't know for sure. - James Elliotte Harold wrote: > [snip] > > Does anyone know how feed readers actually do choose among multiple > possible links in an entry? > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 11:33:56 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKdMq-0001SX-4R for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:33:56 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKdMl-0004uR-NH for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:33:56 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NFwh4p064084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NFwhf5064083; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l1NFwfuT064076 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2007 15:58:41 -0000 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/O+wl4hOHOx/cGu/ZMVkNtoLBtXPxaBp6+7E4Y/O cswg== Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:58:40 +0100 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Current and permalink link rel values Message-ID: <20070223155840.GB9591@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: Atom Syntax References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: haphazard X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l1NFwh4p064084 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 * Elliotte Harold [2007-02-23 15:15]: > I'd like to add multiple links to my feed for both the current version=20 > of the story and the permalink. E.g. >=20 > > Matt Mullenweg has released Wordpress 2.1.1 and 2.0.9. > > >
id=3D"February_22_2007_30633" class=3D"2007-02-22T09:31:33Z"> >

> Matt Mullenweg has released href=3D"http://wordpress.org/development/2007/02/new-releases/">Wordpre= ss=20 > 2.1.1 and 2.0.9. >

>=20 >
> > > href=3D"http://www.cafeconleche.org/oldnews/news2007February22.html#Feb= ruary_22_2007_30633"/> > http://www.cafeconleche.org/#February_22_2007_30633 > 2007-02-22T09:31:33Z > >=20 > In particular is "rel=3D'permalink'" a reasonable way to do this? It should be `rel=3D"alternate"`. > Might it make sense to register current and permalink values > for the rel attribute in the IANA Registry of Link Relations? What=E2=80=99s the purpose of the `current` link? Is there ever a case where it would be bad to send the reader to the permanent location of the item? Regards, --=20 Aristotle Pagaltzis // From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 14:03:24 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKfhU-0007Eg-30 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:03:24 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKfhO-0002ny-Mg for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:03:24 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NIZYCF076766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:35:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NIZYgh076765; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:35:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from [10.20.30.108] (dsl-63-249-108-169.cruzio.com [63.249.108.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NIZWG5076758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:35:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from phoffman@imc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:35:27 -0800 To: Elliotte Harold , Atom Syntax From: Paul Hoffman Subject: Resolving for rel values (Was: Re: Current and permalink link rel values) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 At 8:16 AM -0500 2/23/07, Elliotte Harold wrote: >By the way, http://www.iana.org/assignments/relation/ is 404. This >is referenced in the Atom 1.0 spec. It doesn't really need to be >resolved, but it would be nice to put something there. It doesn't need to be resolved at all. Given the technical abilities of IANA, putting "something" there (or at and so on) is probably worse than a definitive 404. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 15:07:11 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKghD-0006If-QI for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:07:11 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKgh4-0007FA-CK for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:07:11 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NJZo2k081680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NJZo8T081679; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NJZmfs081671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ga-atom-syntax@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HKgCT-00050t-Ug for atom-syntax@imc.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:35:26 +0100 Received: from rakim.cfhp.org ([69.45.6.105]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:35:25 +0100 Received: from hober0 by rakim.cfhp.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:35:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: atom-syntax@imc.org From: "Edward O'Connor" Subject: Re: Resolving for rel values Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:35:12 -0500 Organization: Church of Emacs Lines: 21 Message-ID: <868xeo3bwv.fsf@rakim.cfhp.org> References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rakim.cfhp.org Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEX47PoBAAegiLwiH1N IQYI0M4iMeKYBAAYGBBGqm9JF4g0mAAACYElEQVR4nGWTsY/aMBTGLXoLo8WQjNVrFJXxzviUbig JEcy5SNft5LhRGT3RNecUuRuiCMn/bZ+dhHDqJ2SZ7+f3nt/DEMOcqv9E9AdQTsD7fPw6hRIz+iw xxuhbMBn3SUtRofk95CTa9D49UIWiRvt4TnTiNmUbHIIDykUxdwm8lTvQUmergwoCpXR/qwojXqk 7jTEK1xANXhKOgD8eRmHggrt2CNKKtfcAU3EHkCbB5OJn4Ws40Prco6jhAyiDoSyeTrAb1gNe+dI eKNVlpvXNE5+pT6HUIjEi24a8B6XvjSrd0rCon5vCDwX7eA2wvV9bqrPWdCAFZBtfA0tQRWmRsE6 uZCMA6qYHbRDg6I5RlxVSFNCISG56QB3oIBNSRKL+JuLMg9LZlGqIUhCFlH9m8FN74GxFQwEFxKm crWYQJQ680v43TSEGEDArAWLJPVAObN8BHDghhrwcI1RYH2GSLMfiKnzWd6DGx4DvwNc41mIC0QQ WqzgXH0HV+kvVoohvIB5AaHRSyCZHyzawtOd4SBUyXR9lxOb2RB7Sz4T0AB8zY/smvWzRIrN0OQL GcsbW8zf7dY1gfsIlZm66JUsdOK3ljjjNCbnoHuxq9jQnb+TkAa6XY0XyJmf7C1uRwfbk4b0m1tr 8+zljb+ROD0+xA9f4umHP9+CTAAesjfGPWNyBvzCAc5ax/I40CFJPvkQrC/vRP+NsiC58LpGKfWH 7Ppy/JMY8ObK0AJfTRUDTz5eQxHS2VxPlG1697N0ee4qSbjeQ64bjc94Nhex1b+2N5Hn1MoJJwlp pf1Rr7/8DXitGHanPc2gAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Attribution: Ted Jabber-ID: hober0@gmail.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rjgWQQgIOXJa0Xf2w8KnA/uNAP0= Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 >> By the way, http://www.iana.org/assignments/relation/ is 404. This is >> referenced in the Atom 1.0 spec. It doesn't really need to be >> resolved, but it would be nice to put something there. > > It doesn't need to be resolved at all. Given the technical abilities > of IANA, putting "something" there (or at > and so on) is probably > worse than a definitive 404. Note that http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/{relation} resolves to documentation for relations current, first, last, next, payment, and previous. Ted -- Edward O'Connor hober0@gmail.com Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Feb 23 15:08:04 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKgi4-0006cV-M0 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:08:04 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKgi2-0007Qd-7p for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:08:04 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NJfwUH082088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:41:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1NJfw0F082087; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:41:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1NJfumP082081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elharo@metalab.unc.edu) Received: (qmail 30369 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2007 19:41:54 -0000 Received: from dsl254-067-087.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.254.100]) (elharo@[216.254.67.87]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Feb 2007 19:41:53 -0000 Message-ID: <45DF4383.6010707@metalab.unc.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:41:55 -0500 From: Elliotte Harold User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Atom Syntax Subject: Re: Current and permalink link rel values References: <45DEE93B.90209@metalab.unc.edu> <20070223155840.GB9591@klangraum> In-Reply-To: <20070223155840.GB9591@klangraum> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l1NJfwUH082088 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab A. Pagaltzis wrote: > What=E2=80=99s the purpose of the `current` link? Is there ever a case > where it would be bad to send the reader to the permanent > location of the item? Yes, for some definitions of "bad". First of all many sites want to=20 direct a user to the main page, and then have them click through to the=20 full article (more space to show ads, more hits). Secondly, the permalink URLs don't necessarily exist (yet). The main=20 URLs do. --=20 =EF=BB=BFElliotte Rusty Harold elharo@metalab.unc.edu Java I/O 2nd Edition Just Published! http://www.cafeaulait.org/books/javaio2/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=3D0596527500/ref=3Dnosim/cafeaulai= tA/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Feb 24 14:11:42 2007 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HL2J4-0004vP-9x for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:11:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HL2F9-0007mJ-RX for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:07:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1OIT9XA077672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:29:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1OIT9nM077671; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:29:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1OIT4fN077650 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bobwyman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so887305wxd for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:29:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=YSPU+sGdSFb+0HIif5gB9TAiboGbrzNzS27I0ZbruvrlF7PsxfQfqzFwywQv31t3Qe8F4TtWNfNx2wxYCNbBLH2Kn/0lh6iuJpJeF4RnIXp8+6YnRjMVsbVCUVodcKUwWBjEXXUsQEWqCVguqtEUxoCXQdLxfUSMIGeen+2ZLeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CVtw11hI9sFiTRIYkJZRClpi1GgjT9pD8UejGkkTRAhPqDxU0RjkR0+aiYU8b36hlq1ewnxYQHDtiq/Xw00zhJzP9wBZ33N+4FZs3otMMLzs4vEjK5fyTwqzB4YwDhEMdo/kFafk70ybjwv0M9fkJiDuZa8ByNDRnziKZFIJXeo= Received: by 10.90.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr3335333agy.1172341740411; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.84.11 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:29:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45be5cd40702241029q12df4e6ax5ab11e9a44600257@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:29:00 -0500 From: "Bob Wyman" To: "James M Snell" Subject: Re: IBM IPR Disclosure Cc: atom-protocol , atom-syntax In-Reply-To: <45D491DD.6020509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40308_23365396.1172341740373" References: <45D491DD.6020509@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6d14f89fd77938f3 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 ------=_Part_40308_23365396.1172341740373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 2/15/07, James M Snell wrote:> IBM has agreed to a blanket commitment to Royalty Free terms > for any IPR that reads on the Standards Track specifications > produced by the atompub Working Group. ... >We think the Atom Syndication Format and the Atom Publishing > Protocol are really important. Thank you. bob wyman ------=_Part_40308_23365396.1172341740373 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 2/15/07, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> wrote:
> IBM has agreed to a blanket commitment to Royalty Free terms
> for any IPR that reads on the Standards Track specifications
> produced by the atompub Working Group. ...
>We think the Atom Syndication Format and the Atom Publishing
> Protocol are really important. 

Thank you.

bob wyman

------=_Part_40308_23365396.1172341740373-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Feb 24 14:18:55 2007 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HL2Q2-0004Ug-V0 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:18:55 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HL2Q1-0000zV-5H for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:18:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1OIsdwd079152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l1OIsdPq079151; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l1OIsbVd079136 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from yogesh.mujumdar@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so1259964nfc for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LTBId4UWdKaAvOWZ5uUcy3Cxjtf7MawbMwBmaWqfG6/2vs5WxYvpm6xhqI1tqHUIkA6nBkWe+QtRn7RHe2QiZqR0DGt7exP7R8XEEZ9pZgEPuqnaw9wO/Yaiyh1SkZuNKj/Ywus2Y8xRySqMByk1ZfBP4+Mtibae/h4p5wvux6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=G+YdZAyUaInODJTNIzTUaq4vePrhu4ROAM5eH3qIn4X8+A86OnJrk2WnbmrZvYmgeC5eDLtNq/MDLEmjQwFq0fP3Sahw8ECeRXYGiUfUumIMrOUfTX2LdXLUrdiDojxfBnXkarP4iJq/2rGzLXnoFLU7s45gKN1u80aPbbvhrcw= Received: by 10.49.10.3 with SMTP id n3mr8820798nfi.1172343272479; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.218.7 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 00:24:32 +0530 From: "Yogesh Mujumdar" To: "James M Snell" Subject: Re: IBM IPR Disclosure Cc: atom-protocol , atom-syntax In-Reply-To: <45D491DD.6020509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_63841_12071418.1172343272435" References: <45D491DD.6020509@gmail.com> Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 ------=_Part_63841_12071418.1172343272435 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Can somebody explain me what this stuff is? I feel like I am from stone age. I sincerely dont understand anything from the text below. Please help me understand it. On 2/15/07, James M Snell wrote: > > > All, > > As a general FYI, IBM just filed a blanket IPR disclosure [1] relating > to the activity of the Atompub WG. Before any misinformation starts > going around about this I thought it would be a good idea to give y'all > a heads up. > > As of right now IBM has NO KNOWN patents or applications for patents > that read on the Atom specs. However, as is well known, IBM has a > massive IPR portfolio and it would take a very long time and cost a lot > of money for us to dig through 'em all to know for certain. Rather than > spend the time and energy doing that, IBM has agreed to a blanket > commitment to Royalty Free terms for any IPR that reads on the Standards > Track specifications produced by the atompub Working Group. > > Again, I want to reiterate that there are no patents we are currently > aware of nor are there any applications in progress that we are > currently aware of. > > There are basically two reasons we are doing this: > > 1. We think the Atom Syndication Format and the Atom Publishing Protocol > are really important. > > 2. We want anyone to be able to implement Atom without any fear of > patent hell (and we're really hoping that others agree). > > I must add that I am not a IPR expert by any stretch of the imagination. > If you have questions, please direct them to me and I will answer what > I can or I will forward them on to our IP Law experts. > > - James > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/ipr_detail_show.cgi?&ipr_id=804 > > -- regards/Yogesh "One can resist the invasion of an army but one cannot resist the invasion of ideas." - Victor Hugo ------=_Part_63841_12071418.1172343272435 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Can somebody explain me what this stuff is? I feel like I am from stone age. I sincerely dont understand anything from the text below. Please help me understand it.

On 2/15/07, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> wrote:

All,

As a general FYI, IBM just filed a blanket IPR disclosure [1] relating
to the activity of the Atompub WG.  Before any misinformation starts
going around about this I thought it would be a good idea to give y'all
a heads up.

As of right now IBM has NO KNOWN patents or applications for patents
that read on the Atom specs.  However, as is well known, IBM has a
massive IPR portfolio and it would take a very long time and cost a lot
of money for us to dig through 'em all to know for certain.  Rather than
spend the time and energy doing that, IBM has agreed to a blanket
commitment to Royalty Free terms for any IPR that reads on the Standards
Track specifications produced by the atompub Working Group.

Again, I want to reiterate that there are no patents we are currently
aware of nor are there any applications in progress that we are
currently aware of.

There are basically two reasons we are doing this:

1. We think the Atom Syndication Format and the Atom Publishing Protocol
are really important.

2. We want anyone to be able to implement Atom without any fear of
patent hell (and we're really hoping that others agree).

I must add that I am not a IPR expert by any stretch of the imagination.
If you have questions, please direct them to me and I will answer what
I can or I will forward them on to our IP Law experts.

- James


[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/ipr_detail_show.cgi?&ipr_id=804




--
regards/Yogesh

"One can resist the invasion of an army but one cannot resist the invasion of ideas." - Victor Hugo ------=_Part_63841_12071418.1172343272435--