From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Mar 06 18:40:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOj0O-0005c7-Lo for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:23:40 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOh3Y-0001D3-Aq for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:18:49 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l26KoAnk066170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l26KoAp3066167; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ns3.neustar.com (ns3.neustar.com [156.154.24.138]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l26Ko82s065152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@ietf.org) Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72DF17814; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HOgbi-00065B-MK; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-14.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:50:02 -0500 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Atom Publishing Format and Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : The Atom Publishing Protocol Author(s) : B. de Hora, J. Gregorio Filename : draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-14.txt Pages : 64 Date : 2007-3-6 The Atom Publishing Protocol (APP) is an application-level protocol for publishing and editing Web resources. The protocol is based on HTTP transfer of Atom-formatted representations. The Atom format is documented in the Atom Syndication Format [RFC4287]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-14.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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I discussed this briefly with Aristotle on IRC. He has an XSLT which transforms del.icio.us into Atom [1]; (the important bit of) the entries it produces look like this: The Atom Syndication Format An alternative to RSS2. (I was thinking along the same lines, but using content/@src instead of link/@href.) But he (and now I) is not entirely happy with this solution.=20 Linking to the RFC as an alternate representation of the entry suggests that the entry and the RFC issue from the same source. (ie. if the entry appears in a feed that lists me as an author it implies that RFC4287 was written by me) So, what's the right way? 1: --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF8b+sc7m7RB/1A2URAob0AJ9CQSjraWMKtYPre+L2TwuUnWButgCdEVSN ZtI/3swvDUNrctgLwqFrVXc= =gYKV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 09 16:19:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmVE-0006v5-Rs for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmVC-0006mT-Cv for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29KtLp8087532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l29KtLwS087531; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:55:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29KtIuf087515 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so1571166wra for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:55:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BEnHjRdd4pORojdU2bRCetRA7ceCiqR+nvkXj3uGLdmUUK+Nj9fkjUmDFgxRwZ/SFVvgz4wYacXMkXuI4mNEnHz1xH4OJ2sUuFTA4yzs61B5u1Ts7T3n1meDMZ82i40PIUDXZV6tIvYNTvpTK6GxQsGP/kluxMZb/JT40qnt9E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rQvUGl4zuQS98raIfxdTfBW2UYTgnPxCaBqo3ndnBWimRw1l4dFqemSRq9VPw4MzEfUpaAL4H9FDJWbX8X8OOyWihtDx7x8NRWcI70I0+CuiEUAnYOG9HfGfjDXXC21H1qI0aant0Dv/nDpTYDjkouLK0kXMHUKsYE93LHpbIgM= Received: by 10.90.88.13 with SMTP id l13mr2202371agb.1173473718093; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m75sm1311607wrm.2007.03.09.12.55.17; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:55:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45F1C9AE.7060100@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:55:10 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Representing bookmarks References: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> In-Reply-To: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa For Lotus Connections we're representing bookmarks as.... ... ... ... ... ... This works for everything we need. - James Brendan Taylor wrote: > I'd like to represent bookmarks using Atom, so that I can manipulate > them using the Publishing Protocol. > > I discussed this briefly with Aristotle on IRC. He has an XSLT which > transforms del.icio.us into Atom [1]; (the important bit of) the entries > it produces look like this: > > > The Atom Syndication Format > An alternative to RSS2. > > > > > (I was thinking along the same lines, but using content/@src instead of > link/@href.) > > But he (and now I) is not entirely happy with this solution. > > Linking to the RFC as an alternate representation of the entry suggests > that the entry and the RFC issue from the same source. (ie. if the > entry appears in a feed that lists me as an author it implies that > RFC4287 was written by me) > > So, what's the right way? > > 1: From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 09 16:47:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmvX-0005ZV-6w for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:47:03 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmsf-0002wv-7n for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:44:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29LHMae088644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l29LHMeh088643; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.flock.com (mail.flock.com [72.32.2.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29LHLsx088635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from erwan@flock.com) Received: from [10.1.2.77] (dsl017-049-032.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [69.17.49.32]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.flock.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07450F0605; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Representing bookmarks From: Erwan Loisant To: Brendan Taylor Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> References: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Flock Inc. Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:17:06 -0800 Message-Id: <1173475026.6792.41.camel@coot> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 13:12 -0700, Brendan Taylor wrote: > I'd like to represent bookmarks using Atom, so that I can manipulate > them using the Publishing Protocol. I'm not sure whether they're doing it "the right way" or not, but blogmarks.net is APP to manipulate bookmarks; that may be worth checking it. http://dev.blogmarks.net/wiki/DeveloperDocs Erwan From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 09 17:00:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPn8G-0004I3-RQ for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:00:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPn8F-0006o9-CK for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:00:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29Lfrv6089994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l29Lfr0D089993; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:41:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail1.webfaction.com (mail1.webfaction.com [67.15.2.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29Lfplg089987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:41:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sh@defuze.org) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host81-159-110-196.range81-159.btcentralplus.com [81.159.110.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.webfaction.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l29LfjiI017390; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:41:50 -0600 Message-ID: <45F1D493.1060702@defuze.org> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:41:39 +0000 From: Sylvain Hellegouarch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070104) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erwan Loisant CC: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Representing bookmarks References: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> <1173475026.6792.41.camel@coot> In-Reply-To: <1173475026.6792.41.camel@coot> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Erwan Loisant wrote: > On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 13:12 -0700, Brendan Taylor wrote: >> I'd like to represent bookmarks using Atom, so that I can manipulate >> them using the Publishing Protocol. > > I'm not sure whether they're doing it "the right way" or not, but > blogmarks.net is APP to manipulate bookmarks; that may be worth checking > it. > > http://dev.blogmarks.net/wiki/DeveloperDocs > That's actually a very interesting link. Thanks. - Sylvain From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 09 17:11:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnJR-0003Sx-5L for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnJ0-0000Ef-QE for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29LpiNQ090548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l29LpiWb090547; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l29LpgtM090541 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2007 21:51:41 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp042) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2007 22:51:41 +0100 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+QRi18cCmQJvyw5UOmSGyUyM3EqZLUoGyNQ3cWGy MGeM6aeMAUAYP3 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:51:41 +0100 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Representing bookmarks Message-ID: <20070309215141.GB4792@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: atom-syntax@imc.org References: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l29LpiNQ090548 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb * Brendan Taylor [2007-03-09 21:50]: > He has an XSLT which transforms del.icio.us into Atom [1]; (the > important bit of) the entries it produces look like this: >=20 > > The Atom Syndication Format > An alternative to RSS2. > > > >=20 > (I was thinking along the same lines, but using content/@src > instead of link/@href.) >=20 > But he (and now I) is not entirely happy with this solution.=20 For the purpose of discussion, here=E2=80=99s how I=E2=80=99d do that now= : The Atom Syndication Format
The Atom Syndica= tion Format: An alternative to RSS2.
It bugs me to repeat the link in the content, but the all-around absence of support for `related` links requires this sort of hack to make the feed useful with today=E2=80=99s aggregators. Even then, such a feed would not be useful as a Live Bookmark in Firefox. Regards, --=20 Aristotle Pagaltzis // From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Mar 09 17:14:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnLp-0005lU-6R for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:14:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnLn-0000vM-Pk for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:14:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l29LwQ2C090827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l29LwQn8090826; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:58:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l29LwOVa090820 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2007 21:58:24 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2007 22:58:24 +0100 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+AKAUvXzqAbEOxoUPe2Jn7SDso+M5+A61wDOU/LD 9cDz+O9iJ4fUr2 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:58:23 +0100 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Representing bookmarks Message-ID: <20070309215823.GC4792@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: atom-syntax@imc.org References: <20070309201228.GA4181@nyarlathotep> <1173475026.6792.41.camel@coot> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1173475026.6792.41.camel@coot> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l29LwQ2C090827 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c * Erwan Loisant [2007-03-09 22:40]: > I'm not sure whether they're doing it "the right way" or not, Oh yeah, they do. The bookmark is a `related` link, the `alternate` link points at a page for the link on Blogmarks itself, and the description, if any, is in `content`. Just as it should be. They don=E2=80=99t even throw crappy aggregators a bone by duplicated the bookmark as a link in the content, which is just as well. Regards, --=20 Aristotle Pagaltzis // From xsdgwrt435ggdstw@yahoo.co.jp Fri Mar 09 22:33:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsL3-0007nK-Ej for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:33:45 -0500 Received: from [218.211.18.135] (helo=lists.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsL0-0001Q8-HY for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:33:45 -0500 To: From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?d2ViGyRCQ0s9dxsoQm5ld3M=?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCRk1BMyROJWEhPCVrJEc8Ok5pQ1ckNyReJDkhIxsoQg==?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 今回は広告費のみで収入を得ている大人の出会いの場を紹介します。 当然全てのコンテンツを無料で利用出来るので安心です。 入口はこちら⇒　http://kzjw.com/ajn/ 　　　登録料-----------------------【無料】 　　　メールの送受信---------------【無料】 　　　ユーザーの検索---------------【無料】 　　　掲示板の閲覧・書込み---------【無料】 　　　画像交換・アップロード-------【無料】 　　　アドレス交換・電話番号交換---【無料】 業界大手が運営しているのでセキュリテイやプライバシー面でも安心出来ます。 気軽に登録して試してみるのはどうでしょうか？ 当情報メールを不要な方はお手数ですがコチラまで noneed@reject.kzjw.com From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 12 14:09:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQoxT-0006Pu-T3 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:09:19 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQoxR-000488-Js for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:09:19 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2CHnHms092671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2CHnHcT092670; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:49:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ns1.neustar.com (ns1.neustar.com [156.154.16.138]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2CHn8Vb092653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:49:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@ietf.org) Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0E626ED4; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:49:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HQodw-0003XY-DI; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:49:08 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-atompub-protocol (The Atom Publishing Protocol) to Proposed Standard Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:49:08 -0400 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 The IESG has received a request from the Atom Publishing Format and Protocol WG (atompub) to consider the following document: - 'The Atom Publishing Protocol ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C76339.27CE36A0-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 19 16:11:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTOC5-0005Rj-VV for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTOBq-0008Sb-QU for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:10:59 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JJp52v084099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:51:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2JJp5I9084098; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:51:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JJoiGc084082 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:51:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so1278278and for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mSoqw1giTzg2GY3BFkyi0h8E2mwwJRAymFYmnb6RIDKkitvSpm4fcIVbVLo6+qVvgu5i3Q1uLYFrWNkMNlH/aqyxuA7tCDmelT+eo8eA1o7pvqbFofCI1aZgW2YtZyJWIcAQ/NvXZLC+YDSV6fsivnqyolhe+XMWZahCZQ+xwMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wgv9B0CphhTpRSI6dQBaYB8gx+YQFp8Nc62NNgy83s0fi4+sEHJQd2rJvQVbPZKhS7ZpQ1muR3lDCQZwcyO4hjNHrStGAkGvrH6eNHkJM7Avcj3+WYQSDfMJIHoIJsqG4LY0NEdXxG2n+rmKy/QiHfMNXxU4AMy8ib0aAp3cWtM= Received: by 10.100.143.1 with SMTP id q1mr4143329and.1174333842015; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 8sm6538992wrl.2007.03.19.12.50.41; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:50:40 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax Subject: Autodiscovery Draft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 I'm assuming that since there was no additional expressed interest in moving forward with the Atom autodiscovery draft that it's not going to go anywhere. My current intention is to go ahead and let it expire again without any further modifications. - James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 19 18:07:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQ1F-0006IO-97 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:07:57 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQ1D-0001F8-J8 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:07:57 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JLnOiU092178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2JLnOsv092177; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JLn38I092136 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so1376208wxd for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HsGS8Zdo7wTDHnDxGja6iQe3meLIWxjmcji/fpGGm3yQEIm3NHXxEGi3mbkcJd34tgHAhvcxj+HdlYZgy/cJIqFdsBjW4DtK6UeMFsju1T2fg5TES78DxFMsM2hETDfblmJOy+lTq3wamApgv8NbAHeRrI+9mE+/LIFPxjetpxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QApW3ok04uJRGzRzwC/4JlSV5I81OY5tewq/NBVzcxUi2GUfVPxlSm2s3qZCZ3sg72h36++gm4pQM657N2aHDTmbeO15Gtv8LtdqOmg55dhDzYPDuwbv4k2x69H+jikVdCuo4txLWAu3+zM7Vk3SjDIFJsE8gJq792iwhxxVZX4= Received: by 10.70.125.11 with SMTP id x11mr9366309wxc.1174340943129; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 29sm8708244wrl.2007.03.19.14.49.02; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45FF054D.8060408@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:01 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: atom-syntax Subject: Re: Autodiscovery Draft References: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> <47417559-DF95-4334-8E84-F270E57C395D@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <47417559-DF95-4334-8E84-F270E57C395D@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d The autodisco draft originally authored by Mark Pilgrim and resurrected by me late last year. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-snell-atompub-autodiscovery-00.txt - James Jan Algermissen wrote: > James, > > what draft do you refer to? > > Thanks, > Jan > > On 19.03.2007, at 20:50, James M Snell wrote: > >> >> I'm assuming that since there was no additional expressed interest in >> moving forward with the Atom autodiscovery draft that it's not going to >> go anywhere. My current intention is to go ahead and let it expire >> again without any further modifications. >> >> - James >> > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 19 18:12:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQ5S-0008D6-Iz for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:12:18 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQ5Q-0001hs-5S for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:12:18 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JLg1NF091721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2JLg1er091720; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.184]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JLfdlA091681 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout14/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l2JLfcYX007786; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (d192219.adsl.hansenet.de [80.171.192.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l2JLfVvl005581; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> References: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47417559-DF95-4334-8E84-F270E57C395D@mac.com> Cc: atom-syntax Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jan Algermissen Subject: Re: Autodiscovery Draft Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:40:08 +0100 To: James M Snell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 James, what draft do you refer to? Thanks, Jan On 19.03.2007, at 20:50, James M Snell wrote: > > I'm assuming that since there was no additional expressed interest in > moving forward with the Atom autodiscovery draft that it's not > going to > go anywhere. My current intention is to go ahead and let it expire > again without any further modifications. > > - James > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 19 18:18:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQBq-00068i-He for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:18:54 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQBo-0002gp-2J for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:18:54 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JM1Bao093025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2JM1BA7093024; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:01:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mcom.com (r2d2.aoltw.net [64.236.137.26]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JM0o0X093002 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jpanzer@aol.net) Received: from areophany.nscp.aoltw.net (areophany.nscp.aoltw.net [10.169.155.201]) by mcom.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id l2JM0nd19792; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by areophany.nscp.aoltw.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA63517E69E; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from areophany.nscp.aoltw.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27789-04; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.169.241.50] (sera-10-169-186-67.nscp.aoltw.net [10.169.186.67]) by areophany.nscp.aoltw.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB9517E68D; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:00:34 -0700 From: John Panzer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James M Snell Cc: Jan Algermissen , atom-syntax Subject: Re: Autodiscovery Draft References: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> <47417559-DF95-4334-8E84-F270E57C395D@mac.com> <45FF054D.8060408@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45FF054D.8060408@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040700000307000002030204" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL, HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040700000307000002030204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There were strong suggestions at the time, I think, that this was part of HTML and should belong to the WHAT-WG. So is there a WHAT-WG document to look at? Also, is there a standard way to discover the collection associated with a feed? (Given that, if there is an IETF or WHAT-WG way to discover feeds, there's an obvious way to discover collections... but I'm not clear on what that would be. I do think that collection autodisco is important.) -John James M Snell wrote: > The autodisco draft originally authored by Mark Pilgrim and resurrected > by me late last year. > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-snell-atompub-autodiscovery-00.txt > > - James > > Jan Algermissen wrote: > >> James, >> >> what draft do you refer to? >> >> Thanks, >> Jan >> >> On 19.03.2007, at 20:50, James M Snell wrote: >> >> >>> I'm assuming that since there was no additional expressed interest in >>> moving forward with the Atom autodiscovery draft that it's not going to >>> go anywhere. My current intention is to go ahead and let it expire >>> again without any further modifications. >>> >>> - James >>> >>> >> > > --------------040700000307000002030204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There were strong suggestions at the time, I think, that this was part of HTML and should belong to the WHAT-WG.

So is there a WHAT-WG document to look at?

Also, is there a standard way to discover the collection associated with a feed?  (Given that, if there is an IETF or WHAT-WG way to discover feeds, there's an obvious way to discover collections... but I'm not clear on what that would be.  I do think that collection autodisco is important.)

-John

James M Snell wrote: 
The autodisco draft originally authored by Mark Pilgrim and resurrected
by me late last year.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-snell-atompub-autodiscovery-00.txt

- James

Jan Algermissen wrote:
  
James,

what draft do you refer to?

Thanks,
Jan

On 19.03.2007, at 20:50, James M Snell wrote:

    
I'm assuming that since there was no additional expressed interest in
moving forward with the Atom autodiscovery draft that it's not going to
go anywhere.  My current intention is to go ahead and let it expire
again without any further modifications.

- James

--------------040700000307000002030204-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 19 18:25:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQHv-0001LH-LF for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:25:11 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTQHp-0003ng-I4 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:25:11 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JM5LWx093550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2JM5LJw093549; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JM4x2l093505 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so1693996ugf for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:04:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uj+wmabDU9/QWi1vflnGaIaV5ItUQAtwoja3gnqZhpR2IPu3Km9guvRou0pLzGmVokTwtpsHFcXVYabfAN91le9JwCnAQ/6eQUmSZE1MrKA/FdraLaZAdge/Vf9kw4KlnCQvX7OtEHFSe5r1QTiXup7vFvPYuI63z6kP7WvKJA4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qiU6z9CFcRgTKmZYoDFIVVCtzBA0nrDhr/XQGqKYDg8J0U1ok+yhKV/y1MM3HbE3QJZ+6saH+aN9tA79S2OglKo1iuepbnSJmtbCZuO84BGn4RIHlNWfldoNSmwZktPWUDyRlY0L9oaMGO/nCnfdoa282BtavioS/BoY0uwuH0U= Received: by 10.70.92.12 with SMTP id p12mr9355247wxb.1174341897395; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m75sm3369264wrm.2007.03.19.15.04.56; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45FF0906.1030608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:04:54 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Panzer CC: Jan Algermissen , atom-syntax Subject: Re: Autodiscovery Draft References: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> <47417559-DF95-4334-8E84-F270E57C395D@mac.com> <45FF054D.8060408@gmail.com> <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> In-Reply-To: <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 John Panzer wrote: > [snip] > Also, is there a standard way to discover the collection associated with > a feed? (Given that, if there is an IETF or WHAT-WG way to discover > feeds, there's an obvious way to discover collections... but I'm not > clear on what that would be. I do think that collection autodisco is > important.) An app:collection element can appear within atom:feed and atom:source elements. - James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Mar 19 20:07:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRtI-00065R-BO for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:07:52 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTRtC-0005ci-Vd for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:07:50 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2JNiaVG001645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2JNiaBA001644; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ironclad.net.au ([203.30.247.11]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l2JNiE4J001634 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:44:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [203.30.247.118] (HELO [192.168.1.2]) by ironclad.net.au (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.1902320660 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:44:13 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:44:13 +1100 Subject: Re: Autodiscovery Draft From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 On 20/3/07 9:00 AM, "John Panzer" wrote: > Also, is there a standard way to discover the collection associated with a > feed? (Given that, if there is an IETF or WHAT-WG way to discover feeds, > there's an obvious way to discover collections... but I'm not clear on what > that would be. I do think that collection autodisco is important.) please remember that there may be multiple collections collated into one feed ... and that various members of one collection may be represented in many different feeds. it's not 1:1. e. 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------=_NextPart_000_0247_01C76331.6DE85B00-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Mar 20 04:04:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTZKO-0002z3-Eg for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:04:20 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTZKK-0001qv-0a for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:04:20 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2K7jJWK031311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2K7jJHl031310; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from sam.opera.com (sam.opera.com [213.236.208.81]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2K7ivPC031281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from annevk@opera.com) Received: from id-c0020 (c5144430c.cable.wanadoo.nl [81.68.67.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by sam.opera.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l2K7ibSR000666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:44:42 GMT To: "John Panzer" , "James M Snell" Subject: Re: Autodiscovery Draft From: "Anne van Kesteren" Organization: Opera Software Cc: "Jan Algermissen" , atom-syntax Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> <47417559-DF95-4334-8E84-F270E57C395D@mac.com> <45FF054D.8060408@gmail.com> <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:44:36 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.10 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.1/2880/Tue Mar 20 05:04:21 2007 on sam.opera.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:00:34 +0100, John Panzer wrote: > There were strong suggestions at the time, I think, that this was part > of HTML and should belong to the WHAT-WG. > > So is there a WHAT-WG document to look at? http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#linkTypes -- Anne van Kesteren From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Mar 22 13:19:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUQxA-0007LQ-Jb for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:19:56 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUQwz-0001yo-WB for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:19:56 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2MGxUxm076043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2MGxUux076042; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2MGx9Ru076017 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so842351wxd for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jf0cAEWcgpCH5HI3BMUozrJviR4idL85tzQ96JdrtKwPWKFcJy+WTiYc+MolmK2YZNb054+v0Jo5mzswSEbT65vKt0Ly+YFIrjXzbJ31NIFtSFIOnPlmRm/P3JELJRBTsjEvz7b5uFDns/Ly1wNxzsCUHMrb2eFuURxX/pmF7TE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KxrDVHa81qzAIKVQP9vrQbtmIbXJVXKH0je6cml6WvY3ehkFq4sxRoVA3FV94+/spzpCJ2w4Kfo6gCWnVBkJeQxiHM4FOdGB06iJepdFDYOXtTXfD6+HQKwyrjcXQj77baHTXXr5piOnL1xuFBPtTT8nlfV/v0Mjq0+X4DynPyc= Received: by 10.90.88.13 with SMTP id l13mr3865774agb.1174582747119; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c53sm5341221wrc.2007.03.22.09.59.06; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4602B5D7.1090107@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:03 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax , atom-protocol Subject: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a I have posted an updated version of the Atom Bidi Draft. The only significant difference is a notice about direction guess algorithms. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-snell-atompub-bidi-03.txt I have implemented support for this specification in Abdera and in IBM's updated internal blogging environment. The specification adds a new attribute "dir" to the set of common attribute attributes within the Atom namespace. The dir attribute specifies the default directionality of language-sensitive text within an Atom document. example, ... At this point, I intend to request a formal last call on the document and recommend it for publication as an experimental or informational draft. Feedback is requested. - James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Mar 22 13:41:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HURIJ-0006l9-AM for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:41:47 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HURIH-0006fl-Rf for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:41:47 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2MHPI4J077611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2MHPIUa077610; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2MHPFWh077595 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so853632wxd for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:25:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=C320mNgQJiTHBoGFftVrIpjJNClhTGgXiIPr1izeD2GWB6d5vccDZ1qK2Z2lyZMR2ER8vITE8V+PCIPtohB1ecmx5/+sO5YYOSPtIngZirD7hl43ff1TnkIHsSE59RzxXfb74eItplSqEkx/3ezs7l3SjXCZOoK8jIE4vX5OgzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qiclBDW9M1tzw7tse/vjo1g3NAPhiRD6ZK8eqxsbfqVpA8i4/L14XL8cFvkCUcQ4sj679tQZfoHyoHnyEQ09MtIyf8aaWjFrfNw0UcFQd47xZQn0Vv9Cetc0E5fZJOsPw6hfGboeGlVkCVtsSGKvM8umYjGmxT9vn863Y68zltw= Received: by 10.90.89.5 with SMTP id m5mr3909345agb.1174584314927; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 35sm3618695wra.2007.03.22.10.25.14; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4602BBF8.6060000@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:25:12 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Franklin Tse CC: atom-syntax , atom-protocol Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call References: <4602B5D7.1090107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 It is not year clear if there has been enough independent implementation of the specification to justify publishing it as a proposed standard. - James Franklin Tse wrote: > James, > > Why are you going to recommend that for publication as an experimental or informational draft, but not a Proposed Standard? > > Franklin Tse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James M Snell" > To: "atom-syntax" ; "atom-protocol" > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 00:59 > Subject: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call > >> I have posted an updated version of the Atom Bidi Draft. The only >> significant difference is a notice about direction guess algorithms. >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-snell-atompub-bidi-03.txt >> >> I have implemented support for this specification in Abdera and in IBM's >> updated internal blogging environment. >> >> The specification adds a new attribute "dir" to the set of common >> attribute attributes within the Atom namespace. The dir attribute >> specifies the default directionality of language-sensitive text within >> an Atom document. >> >> example, >> >> >> ... >> >> >> At this point, I intend to request a formal last call on the document >> and recommend it for publication as an experimental or informational draft. >> >> Feedback is requested. >> >> - James >> >> > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Mar 22 14:02:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HURcf-000109-6s for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:49 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HURcd-0002hh-37 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:02:49 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2MHNN6B077496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:23:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2MHNNvB077495; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:23:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.95]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2MHN2OR077479; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:23:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from peaceable_whale@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.23]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:23:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:23:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 61.238.43.155 by BAY117-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:22:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [61.238.43.155] X-Originating-Email: [peaceable_whale@hotmail.com] X-Sender: peaceable_whale@hotmail.com From: "Franklin Tse" To: "James M Snell" Cc: "atom-syntax" , "atom-protocol" References: <4602B5D7.1090107@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:22:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail desktop 8.0.1226 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V8.0.1226 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 17:23:01.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE55E660:01C76CA6] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by balder-227.proper.com id l2MHNMOS077485 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 James, Why are you going to recommend that for publication as an experimental or informational draft, but not a Proposed Standard? Franklin Tse ----- Original Message ----- From: "James M Snell" To: "atom-syntax" ; "atom-protocol" Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 00:59 Subject: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call > > I have posted an updated version of the Atom Bidi Draft. The only > significant difference is a notice about direction guess algorithms. > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-snell-atompub-bidi-03.txt > > I have implemented support for this specification in Abdera and in IBM's > updated internal blogging environment. > > The specification adds a new attribute "dir" to the set of common > attribute attributes within the Atom namespace. The dir attribute > specifies the default directionality of language-sensitive text within > an Atom document. > > example, > > > ... > > > At this point, I intend to request a formal last call on the document > and recommend it for publication as an experimental or informational draft. > > Feedback is requested. > > - James > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Mar 25 17:07:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HVZvr-0001SS-HM for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:07:19 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HVZvn-0004Fd-5O for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:07:19 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2PKgYPJ037335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2PKgYTx037334; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:42:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2PKgCoq037263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elharo@metalab.unc.edu) Received: (qmail 15368 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2007 20:42:12 -0000 Received: from dsl254-067-087.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.254.100]) (elharo@[216.254.67.87]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2007 20:42:12 -0000 Message-ID: <4606DEA2.60500@metalab.unc.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:42:10 -0400 From: Elliotte Harold User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Panzer CC: James M Snell , Jan Algermissen , atom-syntax Subject: Re: Autodiscovery Draft References: <45FEE990.7090901@gmail.com> <47417559-DF95-4334-8E84-F270E57C395D@mac.com> <45FF054D.8060408@gmail.com> <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> In-Reply-To: <45FF0802.9020407@aol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l2PKgYPJ037335 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f John Panzer wrote: > There were strong suggestions at the time, I think, that this was part=20 > of HTML and should belong to the WHAT-WG. >=20 > So is there a WHAT-WG document to look at? >=20 Yes. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#link-type5 --=20 =EF=BB=BFElliotte Rusty Harold elharo@metalab.unc.edu Java I/O 2nd Edition Just Published! http://www.cafeaulait.org/books/javaio2/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=3D0596527500/ref=3Dnosim/cafeaulai= tA/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Mar 28 05:46:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWUjN-0000lI-QC for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:46:13 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWUjI-0001Q2-6O for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:46:13 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2S9HUSd047070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2S9HUsD047068; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.251.194]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2S9H8Q0047040 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp) Received: from scmse1.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scmse1 [133.2.253.16]) by scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id l2S9H5ZW014904 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:17:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from (133.2.206.133) by scmse1.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp via smtp id 3350_18608c42_dd0d_11db_807e_0014221fa3c9; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:17:04 +0900 X-AuthUser: duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Received: from Tanzawa.it.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.210.1]:57086) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:15:58 +0900 Message-Id: <6.0.0.20.2.20070328162819.0ac41d20@localhost> X-Sender: duerst@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6J Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:29:20 +0900 To: James M Snell , Franklin Tse From: Martin Duerst Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call Cc: atom-syntax , atom-protocol In-Reply-To: <4602BBF8.6060000@gmail.com> References: <4602B5D7.1090107@gmail.com> <4602BBF8.6060000@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 At 02:25 07/03/23, James M Snell wrote: > >It is not year clear if there has been enough independent implementation >of the specification to justify publishing it as a proposed standard. There is no need for implementations when going to Proposed Standard (of course, they never hurt). There is a well-defined need when going from Proposed Standard to Draft Standard, but that's way in the future. Regards, Martin. #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Mar 28 08:49:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWXay-00041o-7E for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:49:44 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWXaw-0003oZ-Gg for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:49:44 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2SCU7xk059915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2SCU7GK059914; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.237]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2SCTjpV059854; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from peaceable_whale@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.24]) by bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:29:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 61.238.43.155 by BAY117-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [61.238.43.155] X-Originating-Email: [peaceable_whale@hotmail.com] X-Sender: peaceable_whale@hotmail.com From: "Franklin Tse" To: "James M Snell" , "Martin Duerst" Cc: "atom-syntax" , "atom-protocol" References: <4602B5D7.1090107@gmail.com> <4602BBF8.6060000@gmail.com> <6.0.0.20.2.20070328162819.0ac41d20@localhost> Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:29:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail desktop 8.0.1226 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V8.0.1226 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 12:29:45.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[C45D5EC0:01C77134] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by balder-227.proper.com id l2SCU5pW059904 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d I don't think we are in a hurry to move the draft to an RFC, so, can the draft be held in the "Draft" stage and issue a call for implementations? The future of the draft should be based on the implementation reports received. Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Duerst" To: "James M Snell" ; "Franklin Tse" Cc: "atom-syntax" ; "atom-protocol" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 15:29 Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call > At 02:25 07/03/23, James M Snell wrote: >> >>It is not year clear if there has been enough independent implementation >>of the specification to justify publishing it as a proposed standard. > > There is no need for implementations when going to Proposed Standard > (of course, they never hurt). There is a well-defined need when going > from Proposed Standard to Draft Standard, but that's way in the future. > > Regards, Martin. > > > #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University > #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Mar 28 10:52:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWZW0-0007pD-QC for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWZVw-0005Nn-3h for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2SETW2j066761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2SETWl4066760; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2SETBxP066700 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so2665750wxd for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F2XZPkZx1DcPt974ofwZcNDtnZebvK5zBQoy9JMm1WOPM6Kc2OEAwRoje7F+6gjszkTZydmrvjAHjwWHjCvucfXx6OSXuIkxpW+Atw/SKps1EoXIx4sXfrLPOSotHdq2AdVQXLuX4pqT1Mfvg1Yikh71VaGYzp5tklT3ttldtFA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eQywy7TlQexsirMfPuCmDARuzE62TTs9NVhMqegXRi+LDxh15IPfv7cuT/JOiB4gAqgx5cgQDaw3RLN4QdAYF5ghAoi8G1OExSe0DAuzfUl9yZncYT90J7zf7RUiIG6vkWlFQzd7JRltTs2k+VYGow9bszAQ2OY9wOZ6OnyV5eM= Received: by 10.90.106.11 with SMTP id e11mr9566919agc.1175092146626; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 40sm14062086nzf.2007.03.28.07.29.05; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <460A7BB0.1020305@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:29:04 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Franklin Tse CC: Martin Duerst , atom-syntax , atom-protocol Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call References: <4602B5D7.1090107@gmail.com> <4602BBF8.6060000@gmail.com> <6.0.0.20.2.20070328162819.0ac41d20@localhost> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 I'd be fine with this also. There's no immediate rush for this but it would be excellent if implementors could start taking a look at it. - James Franklin Tse wrote: > I don't think we are in a hurry to move the draft to an RFC, so, can the draft be held in the "Draft" stage and issue a call for implementations? The future of the draft should be based on the implementation reports received. > > Franklin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Duerst" > To: "James M Snell" ; "Franklin Tse" > Cc: "atom-syntax" ; "atom-protocol" > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 15:29 > Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call > >> At 02:25 07/03/23, James M Snell wrote: >>> It is not year clear if there has been enough independent implementation >>> of the specification to justify publishing it as a proposed standard. >> There is no need for implementations when going to Proposed Standard >> (of course, they never hurt). There is a well-defined need when going >> from Proposed Standard to Draft Standard, but that's way in the future. >> >> Regards, Martin. >> >> >> #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University >> #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp >> >> > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Mar 28 14:24:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWcos-0004Ti-9O for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:24:26 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWcoo-0008RK-4Y for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:24:26 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2SHxd7t082085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l2SHxdiW082084; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2SHxFL5082057 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so2309872wri for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZKgk63Q12750PvN5+kM+JfNGOeZtzR9yp+BTfSMfUbRGEJdzy1I65OsBLXJUh5UPb+wWUJq7dt+HydkQYuIeYFFXnSWJsWSqkCI6SpdgoZnvID7Oun+hMEWUbQfq4yNQ1Pe9vO0NKti2qb3bGJza5zSWOy+NkesgSCz/dH/7JZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LIlSez/3vggJBtmE48mEgns1SGPGCuhy6E/jkwWIyh8T9tmMv7fEmY3PhoVTcl13HV4z7ZGDC9Vn7lhUEuaMFK5bJMZbrWYr6yJQTZs4bhMrpZYU4Aduq4o89lHYiTIHflOjcIUBVBMacXEcnZ5Duh6c8ovuYE1d6olPM7gOMEA= Received: by 10.90.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr3757200agb.1175104753418; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 10sm50822194nzo.2007.03.28.10.59.12; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <460AACEE.30106@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:59:10 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Duerst CC: Franklin Tse , atom-syntax , atom-protocol Subject: Re: Atom Bidi Draft Update - Informal Last Call References: <4602B5D7.1090107@gmail.com> <4602BBF8.6060000@gmail.com> <6.0.0.20.2.20070328162819.0ac41d20@localhost> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.20.2.20070328162819.0ac41d20@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Yeah, I know, but I personally have a preference towards having more implementations available... especially since we're talking about a draft that updates the core Atom spec with a new attribute. - James Martin Duerst wrote: > At 02:25 07/03/23, James M Snell wrote: >> It is not year clear if there has been enough independent implementation >> of the specification to justify publishing it as a proposed standard. > > There is no need for implementations when going to Proposed Standard > (of course, they never hurt). There is a well-defined need when going > from Proposed Standard to Draft Standard, but that's way in the future. > > Regards, Martin. > > > #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University > #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp > >