From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Sep 02 13:37:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRtOR-0000Sp-ML for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:37:51 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRtOQ-0004gR-7O for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:37:51 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l82HF34W024722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l82HF3xY024721; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l82HF2HI024711 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:15:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r113208.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [210.167.113.208]) by mail.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3511667E; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 02:15:01 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:15:05 +0900 From: "MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)" To: "Atom WG" Subject: Schema for the combination of Atom and its extensions X-Mailer-Plugin: BkASPil for Becky!2 Ver.2.067 X-Mailer-Plugin: BkASPil for Becky!2 Ver.2.050 Message-Id: <20070903021300.8977.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25.02 [ja] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 I find that no schemas examine constraints specified in RFC 4287 (The Atom Syndication Format), RFC 4685 (Atom Threading Extensions), "Feed Paging and Archiving", and Open Search, all together. I gave a lecture of schema customization at Tsukuba University and asked the students to try. On the basis of their result, I created a schema for the combination of the above specifications. Furthermore, other extensions can be easily added to this schema. The schemas are available at: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~eb2m-mrt/atom/schemaForAtomExtensions.zip The schema "atomRev.rnc" is a rewrite of the schema in RFC 4287. It is created by Mr. Fujisaki at Tsukuba University, and is slightly modified by me. -- MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given) From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Sep 02 17:05:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRwdS-0002q9-Tm for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:05:34 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRwdR-0000CG-FA for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:05:34 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l82KmqRV041591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l82KmqGo041590; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l82KmovM041584 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Tim.Bray@Sun.COM) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.108.183]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l82KmmBB012015 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:48:48 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JNR00801DJ99Z00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Tim.Bray@Sun.COM) for atom-syntax@imc.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (fatwire-204-92.uniserve.ca [216.113.204.93]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JNR002BPDTBL100@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:48:28 -0700 From: Tim Bray Subject: Re: Schema for the combination of Atom and its extensions In-reply-to: <20070903021300.8977.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> To: MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given) Cc: Atom WG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20070903021300.8977.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:15 AM, MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given) wrote: > I find that no schemas examine constraints specified > in RFC 4287 (The Atom Syndication Format), > RFC 4685 (Atom Threading Extensions), "Feed Paging and Archiving", > and Open Search, all together. > > I gave a lecture of schema customization at Tsukuba University and > asked the students to try. On the basis of their result, I created a > schema for the combination of the above specifications. Furthermore, > other extensions can be easily added to this schema. Wow! Thank you! -Tim From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Sep 07 21:11:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITorL-0006bQ-1g for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:11:39 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITorJ-0002HH-IZ for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:11:39 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l880qpWi035920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l880qph8035919; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l880qnUV035911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mnot@mnot.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [216.145.54.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36CE5193B for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) References: <20070908004100.53CAFE11C2@bosco.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Nottingham Subject: Fwd: RFC 5005 on Feed Paging and Archiving Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:51:36 +1000 To: Atom-Syntax Syntax X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 FYI. Thanks again to everyone who reviewed, suggested, helped and gave feedback. Begin forwarded message: > From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Date: 8 September 2007 10:41:00 AM > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org > Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: RFC 5005 on Feed Paging and Archiving > > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 5005 > > Title: Feed Paging and Archiving > Author: M. 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Please consult RFC 2223, Instructions > to RFC > Authors, for further information. > > > The RFC Editor Team > USC/Information Sciences Institute > > ... > > > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Sep 10 17:44:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUr38-0005kP-6e for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:44:06 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUr36-0005cw-TA for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:44:06 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8ALItvk095309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:18:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8ALItiu095308; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:18:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8ALIrxU095300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:18:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IUqei-0003T9-Mf for atom-syntax@imc.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:18:52 +0200 Received: from [80.202.179.68] (helo=avernakis.lan) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:642103 ) (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1IUqei-0005HY-Af for atom-syntax@imc.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:18:52 +0200 From: Daniel Aleksandersen To: atom-syntax emailing list Subject: Why Atom is not using Dublin Core? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:18:54 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Hi list, Can anyone please explain to me why the Atom 1.0 specification defined it's own elements instead of using Dublin Core elements? For example, why use and not taken from Dublin Core's XML name space? Hope anyone understands what I am asking about and have an answer for me. ^^ -- Daniel Aleksandersen From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Sep 10 18:15:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUrXQ-0004UV-Kj for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:15:24 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUrXP-0006cD-AJ for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:15:24 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8ALtlkS098045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8ALtlQ5098044; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.229]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8ALtj1N098037 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:55:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1207045wxc for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:55:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VPzOj2u96lhJvmZlyr4A2bYTTvZJO9h1JsCuMNwd3kI=; b=IaKOjWI98qKoRb2kYm65LVI7nIolPT01YwFMaP87KEx+0Fgwn3Jrg1790Y2D+kcvgPe9NtBPgsqVfeyHIxNYMQkuG14HLVy1RxnLy8PNOmBVEbtdlMwKLBhM1Jq63UPtMgv4nKmv1BuKmraIcs7O5ccakxMOYfZ1ihWaHIEcWUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CwgU/qb3ljqKCCh7/DQHz9OPZAK8TUepXBXd9Zt7RdYcRhGqMRD6e2jYn7ihDwUkn9MM4uQDJFQHiCy8IFrmZtHXuWe8ayWE26U7pIAI1Ywz/sF1hu3bOFJ+IYIOs/c7oz9XjydXvdEde8ogkENpwkc751V1Ev8DJzwjMSI+YSU= Received: by 10.90.92.10 with SMTP id p10mr11232825agb.1189461345442; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m29sm4533926wrm.2007.09.10.14.55.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46E5BD5B.7040804@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:55:39 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Aleksandersen CC: atom-syntax emailing list Subject: Re: Why Atom is not using Dublin Core? References: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> In-Reply-To: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Part of the problem with the DC elements is their very loose definition, e.g. is the text content of the element plain text? escaped HTML? Can it contain well-formed XHTML? The atom:rights element is specifically defined as an Atom Text Construct which unambiguously identifies the type of content (text, html or xhtml). If you look at all of the Atom elements that have corresponding elements in the DC set, you'll find that the Atom versions are very specifically and unambiguously defined. - James Daniel Aleksandersen wrote: > Hi list, > > Can anyone please explain to me why the Atom 1.0 specification defined it's > own elements instead of using Dublin Core elements? For example, why use > and not taken from Dublin Core's XML name space? > > Hope anyone understands what I am asking about and have an answer for me. ^^ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Sep 10 20:21:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUtVg-0002WV-CK for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:21:44 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUtVe-00010R-C8 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:21:44 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B002Ft006856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8B001M7006855; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from csmtp3.b-one.net (csmtp3.b-one.net [195.47.247.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B000ET006810 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from asbjorn@tigerstaden.no) Received: from quark (161.84-48-114.nextgentel.com [84.48.114.161]) by csmtp3.b-one.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9FC101822E; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:59:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:00:12 +0200 To: "James M Snell" , "Daniel Aleksandersen" Subject: Re: Why Atom is not using Dublin Core? From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Ulsberg?= Cc: "atom-syntax emailing list" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> <46E5BD5B.7040804@gmail.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46E5BD5B.7040804@gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.23 (Win32) X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000774-1, 10.09.2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l8B002Ft006856 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:55:39 +0200, James M Snell =20 wrote: > Part of the problem with the DC elements is their very loose definition > [...] Another consideration, IIRC, was that we didn't want Atom to be littered = =20 with several different namespace URI's "out of the box". We wanted it to = =20 be a clean and easy to understand format, and having several namespaces i= n =20 the core format would work against this goal. --=20 Asbj=F8rn Ulsberg -=3D|=3D- http://virtuelvis.com/quark/ =ABHe's a loathsome offensive brute, yet I can't look away=BB From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Sep 10 21:20:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUuQp-0000G9-S3 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:20:47 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUuQo-0002L8-IA for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:20:47 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B10qC5010975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8B10qsA010974; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from harpo.laits.utexas.edu (harpo.laits.utexas.edu [128.83.27.7]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B10pH0010968 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pkeane@harpo.laits.utexas.edu) Received: by harpo.laits.utexas.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C119D20114F; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:56:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:56:01 -0500 From: pkeane@mail.utexas.edu To: atom-syntax emailing list Subject: Atom Best Practice for directory file listing? Message-ID: <20070911005601.GA28798@harpo.laits.utexas.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Hi All- Forgive me if this has been gone over before, but my searches have not turned up anything useful. I find myself wanting to use Atom as a messaging protocol within an application, especially in the cases when those 'messages' might be used in cases other than the the one it was designed for. I often get stuck, though, trying to determine the most correct way to form the feed, esp. when it comes to elements such as 'author', 'category' (is that as wide open as it seems?), title, updated, etc. In one particular case, I would like to auto-generate an Atom document to sit in a web-accessible directory of files, enabling another application to 'discover' those files and decide whether to grab them. The particular use case is a University setting in which we have a centralized digital asset management & sharing tool, but users have no good way to get their stuff in there (web-based upload forms are only good for a few items). Users DO have online, web-accessible space that they can deposit items to by way of a WebDAV interface that most folks are comfortable with. I would like to be able to have them deposit items in a specially-named directory there, have the system generate an atom document to go with it, then have the asset management tool ingest those items. A simple interface to the Atom-creator would even allow the user to add a bit of their own metadata before the ingest occurs. I suspect I would use a mapping like: entry (file): author = file owner id = host/filepath title = filename updated = last modified time feed (directory): title = directory name updated = most recently updated file Any thoughts on this or implementations I could 'borrow' (perl, php, python, ruby ...) thanks! Peter Keane From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Sep 10 23:40:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUwc1-0006H4-6y for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:40:29 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUwbz-00056K-PZ for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:40:29 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B3J7g6023392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8B3J7s3023390; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:19:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.asahi-net.or.jp (mail2.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.198]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B3J6XM023384 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:19:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (s209242.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [220.157.209.242]) by mail.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C9D188A3F for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:19:02 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:19:30 +0900 From: "MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)" To: Atom WG Subject: Re: Schema for the combination of Atom and its extensions In-Reply-To: References: <20070903021300.8977.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> X-Mailer-Plugin: BkASPil for Becky!2 Ver.2.067 X-Mailer-Plugin: BkASPil for Becky!2 Ver.2.050 Message-Id: <20070911121728.3BA9.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25.02 [ja] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 The first version of the schema is written solely in RELAX NG. I have created the second version using NVDL and RELAX NG. Simply put, NVDL decomposes atom feeds in to pieces so that tiny schemas can be used for the validation of the pieces. I believe that the NVDL + RELAX NG version is easier to undestand and maintain. Both versions are available at http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~eb2m-mrt/atom/schemaForAtomExtensions.zip Cheers, -- MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given) From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 11 02:19:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUz5T-0006pH-Lr for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:19:03 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUz5S-0000D1-Av for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:19:03 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B60Up2040800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8B60UB6040799; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B60TG6040793 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1301220wxc for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XydkBDPISs8aAj8xZbFTi+CUCymkDHhMeheu58m05pA=; b=K7Lkarq9vPDErQ/3mjP1qS+114eWN9nkOS+HdjdaS07vBKaIVk3HB5d30SCYDSXTn6T10da7nclaa3UvnKvYmjE25yno5eogQx8zY3QwMVXRD2LNJFbMdMqJJKX6f+NZ3BE0GvGkDEWFZCzDwlGaQzDXbxrrYMqpldFCd++SBnk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jMRgZTuLauJ0JXEghfdgUpo9dz67s8kRGK6PQ6/fAFZObtqoeFdMD3VcAWrAyMNEiiF3H3dLFWYHebrrtqjkMwjHqkpB3yyzy3N6Cbhi4ONeyROQG7Vp24RKgltr2rq2jo5EvQ0P6MD054rL/wX+1XSItU7AeDoNSOtd9Se5Mzc= Received: by 10.90.91.14 with SMTP id o14mr12091146agb.1189490428027; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 44sm4929008wri.2007.09.10.23.00.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46E62EF8.30305@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:24 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)" CC: Atom WG Subject: Re: Schema for the combination of Atom and its extensions References: <20070903021300.8977.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> <20070911121728.3BA9.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <20070911121728.3BA9.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 This is excellent work. Many thanks. - James MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given) wrote: > The first version of the schema is written solely in RELAX NG. I > have created the second version using NVDL and RELAX NG. Simply put, > NVDL decomposes atom feeds in to pieces so that tiny schemas can be used > for the validation of the pieces. > > I believe that the NVDL + RELAX NG version is easier to undestand and > maintain. > > Both versions are available at > > http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~eb2m-mrt/atom/schemaForAtomExtensions.zip > > Cheers, > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 11 02:19:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUz5V-0006pT-BX for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:19:05 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUz5T-0000D4-V9 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:19:05 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B5xpA4040729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8B5xpvj040728; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8B5xoGS040722 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1301096wxc for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nY/9aYF2qPB3KyZaXh4s6dlAP8y+XzfVDH5z93eVMIQ=; b=oxOMsYAAGQeb0uTw7MNURoLN6RBh2/7mjdUBCmItFjQLGr67aPoCUT5+AV1bPWtSEgzkNsCA/TJXlGo8IX4uTpwivsej/VcQEDSP9ivSbCJmLDWeiMY2voQ0A96fRW92LMlxKsXVWdKrV2SLZVav42fVWKkR2sPQdiAHsVzpNVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uLgKGZiKaT7So5p6jE+U8D9MfVATtLbXonONobIAyzV4SuvNLSYalOqbUU4TegzUD0Debj1+ezS8hArmVDBgnxzAD2XSpcBgLehtNUEsJ30E/1QV87nwxolad+hM0uHteIrPtxFPu51M3A6EmcUBPaIV3auG5hIPXL8eRnvJtoo= Received: by 10.90.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr4861162agy.1189490390161; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm4906940wrl.2007.09.10.22.59.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46E62ECF.5090301@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:59:43 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pkeane@mail.utexas.edu CC: atom-syntax emailing list Subject: Re: Atom Best Practice for directory file listing? References: <20070911005601.GA28798@harpo.laits.utexas.edu> In-Reply-To: <20070911005601.GA28798@harpo.laits.utexas.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 One important thing to keep in mind is that the author element is only required in an entry if it does not exist at the feed level, so you really do not need to worry about entry level authors. This is just off the top of my head, so this might not entirely work, but if I were building an Atom feed from a directory listing, I'd likely do something like the following: file:/path/to/the/folder folder name {folder last modified timestamp} file:/path/to/the/file filename {file last modified timestamp} filename, type, last modified, size, etc. Info that would typically appear in a directory listing It really shouldn't need to get anymore complicated than that. - James pkeane@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > Hi All- > > Forgive me if this has been gone over before, but my searches have not > turned up anything useful. > > I find myself wanting to use Atom as a messaging protocol within an > application, especially in the cases when those 'messages' might be used > in cases other than the the one it was designed for. I often get stuck, > though, trying to determine the most correct way to form the feed, esp. > when it comes to elements such as 'author', 'category' (is that as wide > open as it seems?), title, updated, etc. > > In one particular case, I would like to auto-generate an Atom document > to sit in a web-accessible directory of files, enabling another > application to 'discover' those files and decide whether to grab them. > The particular use case is a University setting in which we have a > centralized digital asset management & sharing tool, but users have no > good way to get their stuff in there (web-based upload forms are only > good for a few items). Users DO have online, web-accessible space that > they can deposit items to by way of a WebDAV interface that most folks > are comfortable with. I would like to be able to have them deposit > items in a specially-named directory there, have the system generate an > atom document to go with it, then have the asset management tool ingest > those items. A simple interface to the Atom-creator would even allow > the user to add a bit of their own metadata before the ingest occurs. > > I suspect I would use a mapping like: > > entry (file): > author = file owner > id = host/filepath > title = filename > updated = last modified time > > feed (directory): > title = directory name > updated = most recently updated file > > Any thoughts on this or implementations I could 'borrow' (perl, php, > python, ruby ...) > > thanks! > Peter Keane > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 11 11:48:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IV7yy-0006s8-M1 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:48:56 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IV7yx-0006op-Bk for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:48:56 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BFO7dL002681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:24:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8BFO76t002679; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:24:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BFO54n002653 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:24:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bortzmeyer@nic.fr) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E80161C012F; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33251C012E; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72BF58ECBF; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:24:04 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Daniel Aleksandersen Cc: atom-syntax emailing list Subject: Re: Why Atom is not using Dublin Core? Message-ID: <20070911152404.GA15352@nic.fr> References: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 11:18:54PM +0200, Daniel Aleksandersen wrote a message of 10 lines which said: > Can anyone please explain to me why the Atom 1.0 specification > defined it's own elements instead of using Dublin Core elements? For > example, why use and not taken from Dublin > Core's XML name space? Thins to read: From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 11 11:51:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IV81B-0003wW-T8 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:51:13 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IV81A-0006rN-Hg for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:51:13 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BFWcUR004177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8BFWcEt004175; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BFWaWg004153 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:32:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joe.gregorio@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c10so1085349nfd for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=GD+62nbIMRSYAaTj/pZbuoLyXH9mZS1kvySHNxEvn4k=; b=di+vVOv9zEXIm55TwaHiOiQvmfBx8TeToLoA8bE0myudwWfk8u0PGipiWgcN+SCgTI2gvNF1ztydjtxHg4KP6Xaq3HYN0Jf9lkUD7JWm2STdz0BvWdO0yIahsBm1y3w+FNVEeaHicoARvZ/s6CD0teiGUApSY/M0XP3hzpEBgoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LjKGhvAoGgLT1wPvfBaQmWeRXnHofZsoHZJH1AUuyFZuw4EtsXwXhfk6HZPISCq7IV83UF9Eu7BvTbIs9AveGxJB6K1VxyQB8GiowUk29yqFMO7MHAs4fkY73p2VlzTeEE/UWLMzQqS/c/WRWLP4WFnhyTRnT0U247/xfoqVFaA= Received: by 10.86.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr4681981fgb.1189524755107; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.83.3 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3f1451f50709110832y17240dbag45a0b0943dc4317b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:32:35 -0400 From: "Joe Gregorio" To: "Nikunj Mehta" Subject: Re: Possibly contrary statements in Atompub and feed history I-Ds Cc: "Mark Nottingham" , atom-protocol , Atom-Syntax In-Reply-To: <46D2E233.7040009@oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46CB1063.7000109@oracle.com> <46CB4FFB.8010200@oracle.com> <46CDA259.3040603@kronkltd.net> <46CE2F4F.8020601@gmail.com> <3f1451f50708250730l2f28ddecx68a786685a9b84b4@mail.gmail.com> <46D058E6.4030409@gmail.com> <3f1451f50708251044i2799e22aoefb276b2836bbcab@mail.gmail.com> <46D2E233.7040009@oracle.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 474dfbc3fd0a58cb Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb On 8/27/07, Nikunj Mehta wrote: > In that case, how can you correctly interpret rel="next" as "paged feed" > allows lossy feed paging and "collection feed" requires lossless paging? Sorry, but the feed paging in AtomPub is "lossy" if you follow the definition of "lossy" in RFC 5005: """Paged feeds are lossy; that is, it is not possible to guarantee that clients will be able to reconstruct the contents of the logical feed at a particular time. Entries may be added or changed as the pages of the feed are accessed, without the client becoming aware of them. """ That is, if I break my paged AtomPub feeds into pages of 10 entries each and if client A is trying to do a sync and client B edits an old entry in the middle of the process then it is possible that client A will miss some entries. For example, if my site has 20 entries broken into two pages: Page 1 [e0, e1, ... e9] Page 2 [e10,e11,...,e19] If client A requests Page 1 and shortly after client B edits e11 then we get: Page 1 [e11, e0, e1, ... e8] Page 2 [e9, e10,...,e19] When client A requests Page 2 it will miss e11. It will also see e9 a second time. If I were writing a client and wanted to make sure I got a good sync I would finish a first pass at the sync and then go back to the beginning and do a sync again until I saw an entry I recognized, in this case e0. -joe -- Joe Gregorio http://bitworking.org From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 11 14:54:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVAsE-0007qU-0n for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:54:10 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVAsC-0003iF-Mm for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:54:10 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BIWEOE029739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:32:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8BIWEIa029738; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (virtual3.netaktiv.com [80.67.170.53]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BIWCtW029730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bortzmeyer@nic.fr) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 40FA8240822; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:32:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.sources.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7866D1229F; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:29:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:29:43 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Daniel Aleksandersen Cc: atom-syntax emailing list Subject: Re: Why Atom is not using Dublin Core? Message-ID: <20070911182943.GA26089@sources.org> References: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> <20070911152404.GA15352@nic.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070911152404.GA15352@nic.fr> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 05:24:04PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 11 lines which said: > Things to read: Sorry, it seems I forgot the URLs :-( http://internetalchemy.org/2004/03/theNucleusOfAtom http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg03170.html http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg04474.html http://bitworking.org/news/Not_Invented_Here From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Sep 11 16:23:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVCGo-0002HT-SO for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:23:38 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVCGn-0006Tx-HH for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:23:38 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BK7UHQ041924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8BK7UlQ041923; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from zone5.gridzones.com (zone29.gridzones.com [69.90.133.49] (may be forged)) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8BK7R8q041910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:07:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from henry.story@bblfish.net) Received: from [129.157.20.150] (muc-ea-fw-1-imap.sun.com [192.9.112.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by zone5.gridzones.com (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l8BK77Vu001450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:07:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> References: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-780635666; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: <05D901AB-113C-4F2E-8670-249BD8FA881F@bblfish.net> Cc: atom-syntax emailing list From: Story Henry Subject: Re: Why Atom is not using Dublin Core? Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:07:12 +0200 To: Daniel Aleksandersen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.1, clamav-milter version 0.91.1 on zone5.gridzones.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 --Apple-Mail-1-780635666 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Even though Atom does not use Dublin Core there is a semantics for those relations called AtomOwl: http://bblfish.net/work/atom-owl/2006-06-06/AtomOwl.html It would be a simple matter of adding inheritance relations from Dublin Core to AtomOwl. If you would like to contribute such a mapping feel free to propose it on the mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/atom-owl/ This ontology has not mooved much in the past year. It would be nice if a group of people could go over it one last time, so that we can place it at a URL that would get as wide an acceptance as possible. It used to be part of the atom charter to have a semantics for atom. Henry Home page: http://bblfish.net/ Sun Blog: http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/ Foaf name: http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card#me On 10 Sep 2007, at 23:18, Daniel Aleksandersen wrote: > > Hi list, > > Can anyone please explain to me why the Atom 1.0 specification > defined it's > own elements instead of using Dublin Core elements? 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Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nikunj.mehta@oracle.com) Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l8BKmtul031165; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:48:58 -0600 Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l8B4042J007405; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:48:54 -0600 Received: from dhcp-1op3-1op4-west-144-25-166-194.us.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3203117381189543651; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:47:31 -0700 Message-ID: <46E6FEDF.9090704@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:47:27 -0700 From: Nikunj Mehta Organization: Oracle User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Gregorio CC: Mark Nottingham , atom-protocol , Atom-Syntax Subject: Re: Possibly contrary statements in Atompub and feed history I-Ds References: <46CB1063.7000109@oracle.com> <46CB4FFB.8010200@oracle.com> <46CDA259.3040603@kronkltd.net> <46CE2F4F.8020601@gmail.com> <3f1451f50708250730l2f28ddecx68a786685a9b84b4@mail.gmail.com> <46D058E6.4030409@gmail.com> <3f1451f50708251044i2799e22aoefb276b2836bbcab@mail.gmail.com> <46D2E233.7040009@oracle.com> <3f1451f50709110832y17240dbag45a0b0943dc4317b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3f1451f50709110832y17240dbag45a0b0943dc4317b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 I don't know how to interpret this - does Atompub draft have a bug, or is it intentionally underpromising. Looking at it in the context of answers I have heard from folks on this topic, it is the latter. Also, it just feels like anyone implementing Atom should consider RFC 5005 in conjunction with the Atompub spec, lest they be misled into thinking what "next" means. Oh, and BTW, I did not know if paging meant fixed size paging. I hope that is not another implicit assumption everyone's making. Nikunj Joe Gregorio wrote: > On 8/27/07, Nikunj Mehta wrote: > >> In that case, how can you correctly interpret rel="next" as "paged feed" >> allows lossy feed paging and "collection feed" requires lossless paging? >> > > Sorry, but the feed paging in AtomPub is "lossy" if you follow the definition > of "lossy" in RFC 5005: > > """Paged feeds are lossy; that is, it is not possible to guarantee that > clients will be able to reconstruct the contents of the logical feed > at a particular time. Entries may be added or changed as the pages > of the feed are accessed, without the client becoming aware of them. > """ > > That is, if I break my paged AtomPub feeds into pages of 10 entries > each and if client A is trying to do a sync and client > B edits an old entry in the middle of the process then it is possible > that client A will miss some entries. For example, if my site has 20 entries > broken into two pages: > > Page 1 [e0, e1, ... e9] > Page 2 [e10,e11,...,e19] > > If client A requests Page 1 and shortly after client B > edits e11 then we get: > > Page 1 [e11, e0, e1, ... e8] > Page 2 [e9, e10,...,e19] > > When client A requests Page 2 it will miss e11. It will > also see e9 a second time. If I were writing a client > and wanted to make sure I got a good sync I would > finish a first pass at the sync and then go back to the > beginning and do a sync again until I saw an entry I > recognized, in this case e0. > > -joe > > From akirkpatrk@handyproductions.com Fri Sep 14 03:12:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IW5Ly-0006Vj-Gf; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:12:38 -0400 Received: from alarmed.candidacy.volia.net ([77.121.146.25]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IW5Lx-0002s2-Gw; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:12:37 -0400 From: "Fanny" To: Subject: Never Feel Down Again... Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:18:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit boundary="--TIGIJU23624" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 We have a Pill 4 Everything Just go to http://www.crzuwcwzyw.com Hate receiveing these messages http://www.crzuwcwzyw.com/remove From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Sep 14 12:44:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWEHG-0007OH-AH for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:44:22 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWEHE-0002e2-S6 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:44:22 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8EGMvNW074616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8EGMvGG074615; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8EGMuUi074606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brian@briansmith.org) Received: from Junk (unknown [12.217.178.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173C2A323B for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Smith" To: "'Atom WG'" Subject: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:22:53 +0700 Message-ID: <000701c7f6eb$81c77b30$6401a8c0@Junk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf264A+m5ap2bn/RjGlLmsWCm+UEg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by balder-227.proper.com id l8EGMvUh074610 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad I am implementing RFC 4685, the threading extension. Section 3 says that the thr:in-reply-to/@ref attribute is mandatory. It further says that if the content producer does not know the atom:id of the linked-to-entry, then the producer should make one up, usually by copying the value of the @href attribute. This is it will almost always result in a bad value for @ref. Who is going to use the permalink to the HTML version of an entry as an atom:id? In fact, if you Google for "atom:id" then the first result is an article that goes into great detail to persuade us not to do so (http://www.google.com/search?q=atom:id). If anything, it would make more sense for an Atom(Pub)-enabled weblog to use the URI of the atom entry document as an atom:id. RFC 4685 should not force implementers to give the content consumer bad information. In particular, if the content producer does not know of an appropriate atom ID to use for a thr:in-reply-to/@ref attribute, it SHOULD NOT include the attribute. Content consumers may always substitute the value of the @href attribute for a missing @ref if it feels like it really needs an atom:id using the same rules that are currently imposed on content producers. An example use case: I want to use my weblog to reply to an entry in other person's weblog, and I want to indicate this with thr:in-reply-to. The problem is that the other person only implements RSS 2.0 or some other wacky format, so he doesn't provide me with an Atom ID to use; in fact, I might have only the HTML permalink to his entry. (If the other person was to upgrade to some Atom-enabled weblogging software, then all his entries would have an atom:id. But, the atom:id his weblogging software chooses probably won't match the atom:id I made up for that resource.) 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( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q30sm1174564wrq.2007.09.14.09.49.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46EABBA0.7050702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:49:36 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Smith CC: "'Atom WG'" Subject: Re: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry References: <000701c7f6eb$81c77b30$6401a8c0@Junk> In-Reply-To: <000701c7f6eb$81c77b30$6401a8c0@Junk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Brian Smith wrote: > I am implementing RFC 4685, the threading extension. Section 3 says that > the thr:in-reply-to/@ref attribute is mandatory. It further says that if > the content producer does not know the atom:id of the linked-to-entry, then > the producer should make one up, usually by copying the value of the @href attribute. Well, it's a bit more than just "make it up" What it says it that the permalink SHOULD be used. As it turns out, in my experience, the permalink is quite quite often as the an id. > [snip] > In particular, if the content producer does not know of an appropriate atom ID > to use for a thr:in-reply-to/@ref attribute, it SHOULD NOT include the attribute. > Content consumers may always substitute the value of the @href attribute for > a missing @ref if it feels like it really needs an atom:id using the same rules > that are currently imposed on content producers. As you point out, the ref attribute is mandatory. If anything, I would provide both the ref and href attributes. There's no harm in providing both. > > An example use case: I want to use my weblog to reply to an entry in other person's > weblog, and I want to indicate this with thr:in-reply-to. The problem is that the > other person only implements RSS 2.0 or some other wacky format, so he doesn't provide > me with an Atom ID to use; in fact, I might have only the HTML permalink to his entry. > (If the other person was to upgrade to some Atom-enabled weblogging software, then all > his entries would have an atom:id. But, the atom:id his weblogging software chooses > probably won't match the atom:id I made up for that resource.) > More than likely but that's not a huge problem. The other person could make all kinds of changes to their system that break the links others have made to their resources. It happens all the time on the web. Care need to be taken when using in-reply-to to link to anything that is not an Atom entry. - James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Sep 14 13:02:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWEZB-0001TV-6z for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:02:53 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWEZ9-0003AY-Sq for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:02:53 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8EGkI7t078389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:46:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8EGkIHB078388; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:46:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8EGkGJh078376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brian@briansmith.org) Received: from Junk (unknown [12.217.178.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5435CA322C for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:46:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Smith" To: "'Atom WG'" Subject: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry using (ref,source) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:46:15 +0700 Message-ID: <000801c7f6ee$c4cff1c0$6401a8c0@Junk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf27sPArwH76q6jQLC+irFSznq2Eg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by balder-227.proper.com id l8EGkHJg078383 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 RFC 4685 (the threading extension) defines a new way to link to an atom entry: This is a link to the atom entry with the given atom ID. Notice that there is no information given about how to retrieve the entry. If you want to add that information, we can add a link to the feed: It seems wrong to me to standardize on a mechanism that isn't using URIs for identifying entries, especially since the idea of permalinks already exists for HTML representations of entries. Is this (atom:id,feed-uri) mechanism going to be the standard mechanism to link to individual atom entries in Atom IETF specifications? If so, then this mechanism should be generalized. For example, I would like to use it for a "via" link relation and the "related" link relation. For example, it could be implemented as an "entry-link" element that is just like atom:link, except that it has @ref and @source. Then "in-reply-to" would just be a link relation, and I could write: for replying to a web page. I could then reuse the "in-reply-to" link relation in my entries' HTML representation - Brian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Sep 14 16:09:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWHTl-00038q-Hv for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:09:29 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWHTk-00011Z-4g for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:09:29 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8EJr8FA099954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8EJr8Og099953; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from chilco.textdrive.com (chilco.textdrive.com [207.7.108.242]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8EJr5ct099925 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:53:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bill@dehora.net) Received: from [192.168.4.149] (back44.connect.ie [213.228.227.243]) by chilco.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E0FDDCD7 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <46EAE69E.301@dehora.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:53:02 +0100 From: Bill de hOra User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax emailing list Subject: Re: Why Atom is not using Dublin Core? References: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> In-Reply-To: <200709102318.54474.aleksandersen+atomlists@runbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Daniel Aleksandersen wrote: > Hi list, > > Can anyone please explain to me why the Atom 1.0 specification defined it's > own elements instead of using Dublin Core elements? For example, why use > and not taken from Dublin Core's XML name space? > > Hope anyone understands what I am asking about and have an answer for me. ^^ IIRC, I supported this for so that all elements would be "under management" of the WG. Dublin Core's community thus cannot break Atom. Otoh there is clear redundancy across the formats. This is a policy matter - there are pros and cons to reuse/invention. Also DC was/is unclear in places. Rights is actually a good example in terms of mapping. The Atom WG wanted rights declarations to not be computable (inferable) by machines, whereas DC doesn't exclude that. We've no business saying dc:rights can't be machine readable. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7F7B0.AFB49260-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Sep 16 01:42:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWmtt-00049w-9M for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:42:33 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWmtr-0002hn-QM for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:42:33 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8G5JrEl077655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8G5JrTg077654; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:19:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l8G5JpR0077643 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Sep 2007 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 07:19:50 +0200 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19INzEKzWlI61KTDGW7gJpSDkLV/GAYlXOX+mpwyL B3Z3cLfdzjQQUO Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:19:49 +0200 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: "'Atom WG'" Subject: Re: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry Message-ID: <20070916051949.GI11876@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: 'Atom WG' References: <000701c7f6eb$81c77b30$6401a8c0@Junk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c7f6eb$81c77b30$6401a8c0@Junk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Hi Brian, * Brian Smith [2007-09-14 18:40]: > This is it will almost always result in a bad value for @ref. > Who is going to use the permalink to the HTML version of an > entry as an atom:id? anyone who wants to. An ID can be any valid URI, and HTTP URIs are valid URIs, so they can be used as Atom IDs. Tim Bray does that: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/ongoing.atom > In fact, if you Google for "atom:id" then the first result is > an article that goes into great detail to persuade us not to do > so (http://www.google.com/search?q=atom:id). And Tim Bray goes into great detail to persuade you that you should: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/05/28/LinksAndGuids (I disagree with both of them on various points and have decided to use urn:uuid: IDs instead.) > In particular, if the content producer does not know of an > appropriate atom ID to use for a thr:in-reply-to/@ref > attribute, it SHOULD NOT include the attribute. The rationale was to make it likely that encourage will do their threading based on the same identifier even in cases where no Atom ID is known. > Content consumers may always substitute the value of the @href > attribute for a missing @ref if it feels like it really needs > an atom:id using the same rules that are currently imposed on > content producers. So in both cases, a reply to something which has no known Atom ID is threaded based on its URI. > If the other person was to upgrade to some Atom-enabled > weblogging software, then all his entries would have an > atom:id. But, the atom:id his weblogging software chooses > probably won't match the atom:id I made up for that resource. This is a general problem. If @ref attributes could be omitted, then then migrating from an Atom-unaware weblogging tool to an Atom-aware one, @ref attributes will continue to be missing even after Atom IDs are minted for the old entries. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Sep 16 02:06:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWnGd-0006oR-76 for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:06:03 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWnGb-0002zI-Se for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:06:03 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8G5nl6p079459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8G5nlsn079458; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l8G5njph079452 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:49:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Sep 2007 05:49:44 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 07:49:44 +0200 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19sLF8FN9ZsXK0sp5lPQA8GMqw8HupCnfoC9aww/r icMsLHqS4ZmskB Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:49:44 +0200 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: "'Atom WG'" Subject: Re: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry using (ref,source) Message-ID: <20070916054944.GJ11876@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: 'Atom WG' References: <000801c7f6ee$c4cff1c0$6401a8c0@Junk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c7f6ee$c4cff1c0$6401a8c0@Junk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l8G5nl6p079459 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca * Brian Smith [2007-09-14 19:05]: > It seems wrong to me to standardize on a mechanism that isn't > using URIs for identifying entries The Atom ID *is* a URI. > especially since the idea of permalinks already exists for HTML > representations of entries. Atom Entries need not have a permalink. But they must always have an ID. Permalinks shouldn=E2=80=99t change but sometimes do; Atom IDs MUST be unchanging. We started with the exact same mechanism you suggest: @rel=3D'in-reply-to' links. It didn=E2=80=99t work. We originally said the @href is the Atom ID, but such links are useless to Atom consumers that don=E2=80=99t know `in-reply-to`, just like thr:in-reply-to elements are useless to Atom consumers that don=E2=80=99t know what they mean. So there is no gain from reusing atom:link with overloaded @href. Also, sometimes you have both a permalink and an Atom ID. It would be good to provide both. With a single attribute this is not possible, so you need two. The logical thing to do is put the permalink in @href and the Atom ID in an extension attribute. Then such a link is somewhat useful even to clients that don=E2=80=99t specifically understand `in-reply-to`. Except that doesn=E2=80=99t work. There are two problems: 1. The Atom ID would go in an extension element. But what happens when you have no permalink? After all, atom:link REQUIRES an @href attribute, and with good reason. 2. You have introduced a bad co-constraint. The link extension attribute is only valid on links where @rel has a particular value. You really can=E2=80=99t use atom:link for this. We tried. 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(VPS 000774-7, 2007-09-15), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Good day atompub-archive Ejaculate further - Fire off like a cannon! venkata marsden http://cybertwn.com/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Sep 16 17:01:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX1FW-00009L-7S for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:01:50 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX1FU-0004Ih-Pp for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:01:50 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8GKk3OT048180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:46:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8GKk3iM048179; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:46:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8GKk2s2048172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:46:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brian@briansmith.org) Received: from Junk (unknown [12.217.178.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CD2A322C; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Smith" To: "'A. Pagaltzis'" , "'Atom WG'" References: <000801c7f6ee$c4cff1c0$6401a8c0@Junk> <20070916054944.GJ11876@klangraum> Subject: RE: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry using (ref,source) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:46:00 +0700 Message-ID: <001201c7f8a2$98ae0400$6601a8c0@Junk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070916054944.GJ11876@klangraum> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf4JeYG8zMgRkTjRyu61kiYTJ42zAAesMJA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by balder-227.proper.com id l8GKk3s1048174 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 A. Pagaltzis wrote: > We started with the exact same mechanism you suggest: > @rel='in-reply-to' links. First, thanks for taking the to reply. I think you might have skipped over or misunderstood my actual suggestion: If so, then this mechanism should be generalized. For example, I would like to use it for a "via" link relation and the "related" link relation. For example, it could be implemented as an "entry-link" element that is just like atom:link, except that it has @ref and @source. In particular, note that I wasn't suggesting to use for this, but rather a new element . Let me ask my question a different way. If I want to say that an entry is "related" to another entry, how can I do that? Currently, it is not possible. So, should I use some kind of extension element like this?: It seems wrong to me to have to define extension elements for every kind inter-entry relationship, when the single atom:link element can handle everything except inter-entry relationships using only one element. That is why I suggested a more general mechanism would be better: Basically, it would be exactly like the thr:in-reply-to element, except that it would be able to handle other relationships between entries via the @rel attribute. 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( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f28sm7163987rvb.2007.09.16.15.44.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46EDB1C3.6030404@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:44:19 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Smith CC: "'A. Pagaltzis'" , "'Atom WG'" Subject: Re: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry using (ref,source) References: <000801c7f6ee$c4cff1c0$6401a8c0@Junk> <20070916054944.GJ11876@klangraum> <001201c7f8a2$98ae0400$6601a8c0@Junk> In-Reply-To: <001201c7f8a2$98ae0400$6601a8c0@Junk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 It would likely be better just to write a spec that adds a ref attribute to the existing atom:like element. The new attribute would be considered foreign markup and ignored by existing clients. It would look something like: The new attribute could be defined within the existing Atom namespace or defined in a new namespace, it really doesn't matter which. - James Brian Smith wrote: > A. Pagaltzis wrote: >> We started with the exact same mechanism you suggest: >> @rel='in-reply-to' links. > > First, thanks for taking the to reply. > > I think you might have skipped over or misunderstood my actual suggestion: > > If so, then this mechanism should be generalized. > For example, I would like to use it for a "via" link > relation and the "related" link relation. For example, > it could be implemented as an "entry-link" element that > is just like atom:link, except that it has @ref and > @source. > > In particular, note that I wasn't suggesting to use for this, but rather a new element . > > Let me ask my question a different way. If I want to say that an entry is "related" to another entry, how can I do that? Currently, it is not possible. So, should I use some kind of extension element like this?: > > > > It seems wrong to me to have to define extension elements for every kind inter-entry relationship, when the single atom:link element can handle everything except inter-entry relationships using only one element. That is why I suggested a more general mechanism would be better: > > > > > > > Basically, it would be exactly like the thr:in-reply-to element, except that it would be able to handle other relationships between entries via the @rel attribute. > > Cheers, > Brian > > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Sep 17 07:50:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXF74-00047A-Qu for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:50:02 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXF73-0001t4-Eo for atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:50:02 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8HBSGSv033503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id l8HBSGno033502; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l8HBSED1033494 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pagaltzis@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Sep 2007 11:28:13 -0000 Received: from static-87-79-236-202.netcologne.de (EHLO klangraum) [87.79.236.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 17 Sep 2007 13:28:13 +0200 X-Authenticated: #163624 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+wA1Ac0Piwlwxo0lHnr6c8O4k4BRhY1RRLWraByG BnvP1zyyOWGx/3 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:28:10 +0200 From: "A. Pagaltzis" To: "'Atom WG'" Subject: Re: RFC 4685 & linking to an atom entry using (ref,source) Message-ID: <20070917112810.GO11876@klangraum> Mail-Followup-To: 'Atom WG' References: <000801c7f6ee$c4cff1c0$6401a8c0@Junk> <20070916054944.GJ11876@klangraum> <001201c7f8a2$98ae0400$6601a8c0@Junk> <46EDB1C3.6030404@gmail.com> <000801c7f6ee$c4cff1c0$6401a8c0@Junk> <20070916054944.GJ11876@klangraum> <001201c7f8a2$98ae0400$6601a8c0@Junk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46EDB1C3.6030404@gmail.com> <001201c7f8a2$98ae0400$6601a8c0@Junk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by balder-227.proper.com id l8HBSGSv033503 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 * Brian Smith [2007-09-16 23:00]: > In particular, note that I wasn't suggesting to use > for this, but rather a new element . Ah. But then you have a problem =E2=80=93 how do you correlate links and entry-links? If these are the same piece of information, how can I know? Your proposed `entry-link` would really need to allow for an `href` attribute to handle this case. Considering how little use is being made of the versatility of atom:link, though, I doubt that any implementors will care about esoterica like `via` links specified by Atom ID. In this respect I think defining a new one-off element in a single-use-case spec like RFC=C2=A04685 was the better choice, as it=E2=80=99s easier to relat= e to people why they=E2=80=99d want to make the effort to support it. * James M Snell [2007-09-17 01:00]: > It would likely be better just to write a spec that adds a ref > attribute to the existing atom:like element. The new attribute > would be considered foreign markup and ignored by existing > clients. It would look something like: >=20 > That won=E2=80=99t work. There will be cases where you have an ID but no permalink and therefore nothing to put in `href`, but `href` is REQUIRED so you cannot omit it in valid Atom. And to switch that MUST to MAY you=E2=80=99d have to bump the namespace. 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( [67.181.218.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 61sm2698797wry.2007.09.27.09.59.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46FBE169.1080108@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:59:21 -0700 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)" CC: Atom WG Subject: Re: Schema for the combination of Atom and its extensions References: <20070911121728.3BA9.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> <46E62EF8.30305@gmail.com> <20070923173533.4565.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <20070923173533.4565.EB2M-MRT@asahi-net.or.jp> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090501020807020106040906" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3d7f2f6612d734db849efa86ea692407 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090501020807020106040906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are several listed on the Atom wiki http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/FrontPage Look at RFC's 4685, 4946 and 5005 There are a few other experimental, in-progress I-D's but they're not really in active use as far as I know. Non-standard extensions include OpenSearch, Microsoft's Simple Sharing Extensions and GData's family of extensions. Also, any of the RSS extensions are typically fine for use with Atom: http://rss-extensions.org/wiki/Main_Page I haven't seen very many of those actually being used with Atom feeds, however. Those that I have seen used with Atom include GeoRSS, Dublin Core, Yahoo Media, and Creative Commons (which should be replaced by RFC 4946). - James MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given) wrote: > Tim and James, > > Thanks for encouraging comments. > > Folks, > > Does somebody have a list of know extensions to atom? If such a > list is available, I am happy to improve the schema. I am inclined > to maintain the NVDL+RNG version only, since that version is much > easier to maintain. > > I tested the NVDL script using oXygen. 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