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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 11:17:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A8828C25D for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:17:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.220, BAYES_00=-2.599, DRUGS_MUSCLE=0.01, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id afEvpua+xIM7 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7E028C211 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12J5ads062964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12J5aQl062963; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:05:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12J5O25062940 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lisa.dusseault@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g9so1026701rvb.2 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:05:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UnA5eRIaPwj2DgazLsm7dbEYSx5obL0A3iXxvEcgmBY=; b=um95YJNJs5UUUVi69mI5IQzsFm4B8ofxSqnLgbC+E58cnJcofg7lVsbimjtz7xKUgC QyqYppsKmphjzvLxWn0618LlMv3w4U+W+enOZj28Sa0P3g+7qWBrHp4qKgVVIXwao9eq Rnin6hnhrBWgxLxmKw6CteJod+3E7RWDlCdvs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vB3v+eL/pCWI+ENMsyf+I09q2gSr0HI92G7QUXbHJdyDX0WVVlBkKyjMXzl87Aue3l mEV8OwyD1SLnF+Wg5D8Per4epzbX+gIcx0n/n11PvLQ/ZR96CU98CEMZVRG6324NwTMU pwTIXU9LWfhiDbHAP7QspLpBz4/kbXAaiU/qA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.68.12 with SMTP id v12mr1234999rvk.51.1233601523881; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:05:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:05:23 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] From: Lisa Dusseault To: atom-syntax@imc.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd14cb2a018df0461f43c36 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --000e0cd14cb2a018df0461f43c36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This request for registration of the "schema" link relation will officially come up at the Feb 12 IESG Telechat, where the IESG may approve the registration without further documentation. Comments welcome. Thx, Lisa ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Salz Download (untitled) / with headers text/plain 1.3k I am writing to request a new Atom link relation, "schema" Publication of the request is here: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/soma?entry=3Da_schema_link_for= _at om The form follows. Thank you. /r$ Attribute Value schema Description This link type points to the schema used to define the content of other elements in an "atom:entry" document. The "for" attribute is used to identify the QName of the direct child of the "atom:entry" element that the link is intended for. Multiple links with the same =B3for=B3 value SHOULD have different =B3type= =B2 values; processors are allowed to choose the schema language they best support. This link can appear in an "atom:feed" document where it specifies the default for all feed elements. It can also appear within an "atom:entry" element. Links in an entry override any links in a feed that have the same "type" and "for" values. Expected display characteristics Generally, this link is not intended for display, although the "type" attribute would control the display characteristics. This link is intended for automated use. Security considerations As with any other link. -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ --000e0cd14cb2a018df0461f43c36 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This request for registration of the "schema" link relation will = officially come up at the Feb 12 IESG Telechat, where the IESG may approve = the registration without further documentation. Comments welcome.&nbs= p;

Thx,
Lisa

---------- Forwarded mes= sage ----------
From: Richard Salz <rsalz@us.ibm.com>
Download (untitled) / with headers
text/plain 1.3k
I am writing to request a new Atom link relation, "schema" Public= ation of
the request is here:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/p= age/soma?entry=3Da_schema_link_for_at
om

The form follows. Thank you.

/r$

Attribute Value
schema
Description
This link type points to the schema used to define the content of
other elements in an "atom:entry" document. The "for" a= ttribute is used to
identify the QName of the direct child of the "atom:entry" elemen= t that
the link is intended for.

Multiple links with the same =B3for=B3 value SHOULD have different =B3type= =B2
values; processors are allowed to choose the schema language they best
support.

This link can appear in an "atom:feed" document where it specifie= s the
default for all feed elements. It can also appear within an "atom:entr= y"
element. Links in an entry override any links in a feed that have the same<= br> "type" and "for" values.
Expected display characteristics
Generally, this link is not intended for display, although the "type&q= uot;
attribute would control the display characteristics. This link is intended<= br> for automated use.
Security considerations
As with any other link.
--
Visiting Member, IBM Academy
STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer
WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances
http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/

--000e0cd14cb2a018df0461f43c36-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 11:41:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F4928C11D for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:41:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.989 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, DRUGS_MUSCLE=0.01, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TpEumxSxoXff for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20C328C177 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12JZCIe065268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12JZCNG065267; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e5.ny.us.ibm.com (e5.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.145]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12JZ0ha065246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e5.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n12JWlde017766 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:32:47 -0500 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n12JZ0qc178086 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:35:00 -0500 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n12JYxoa002924 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:34:59 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n12JYxau002890 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:34:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Lisa Dusseault Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fwd: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:34:57 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/02/2009 01:34:59 PM, Serialize complete at 02/02/2009 01:34:59 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I updated the link; I forgot to publish a correction. The "schema" link=20 relation is for items within the "atom:content" element, not the=20 "atom:entry" document. Sorry for any confusion. /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org wrote on 02/02/2009 02:05:23 PM: > This request for registration of the "schema" link relation will=20 > officially come up at the Feb 12 IESG Telechat, where the IESG may=20 > approve the registration without further documentation. Comments=20 welcome.=20 >=20 > Thx, > Lisa > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Richard Salz > Download (untitled) / with headers > text/plain 1.3k > I am writing to request a new Atom link relation, "schema" Publication=20 of > the request is here: >=20 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/soma?entry=3Da=5Fschema=5Flink= =5Ffor=5Fat > om >=20 > The form follows. Thank you. >=20 > /r$ >=20 > Attribute Value > schema > Description > This link type points to the schema used to define the content of > other elements in an "atom:entry" document. The "for" attribute is used=20 to > identify the QName of the direct child of the "atom:entry" element that > the link is intended for. >=20 > Multiple links with the same =B3for=B3 value SHOULD have different =B3typ= e=B2 > values; processors are allowed to choose the schema language they best > support. >=20 > This link can appear in an "atom:feed" document where it specifies the > default for all feed elements. It can also appear within an "atom:entry" > element. Links in an entry override any links in a feed that have the=20 same > "type" and "for" values. > Expected display characteristics > Generally, this link is not intended for display, although the "type" > attribute would control the display characteristics. This link is=20 intended > for automated use. > Security considerations > As with any other link. > -- > Visiting Member, IBM Academy > STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer > WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances > http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 11:45:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E367528C11D for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:45:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.229 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.229 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.630, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c1tTh1ZT4zzy for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C72A3A68E5 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12JatMJ065393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12Jatqg065392; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n12Jaf0T065373 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:36:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Feb 2009 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from p508FBFFB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.22]) [80.143.191.251] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 02 Feb 2009 20:36:37 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+kL40+qAukP9E2YrXEvGITpx3XXJpnEJYXURCkhm KHtW+T7Dc6SNfo Message-ID: <49874B3C.3090405@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:36:28 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > Attribute Value > schema > Description > This link type points to the schema used to define the content of > other elements in an "atom:entry" document. The "for" attribute is used to > identify the QName of the direct child of the "atom:entry" element that > the link is intended for. There is no "for" attribute in RFC 4287. If this use case requires it, maybe a link relation isn't the best way to do it (instead an extension attribute?). The QName can be avoided by using the "Clark notation" ({namespace-uri}local-name). > Multiple links with the same łforł value SHOULD have different łtype˛ > values; processors are allowed to choose the schema language they best > support. It seems that collides a bit with RFC 4287's definition of type: "On the link element, the "type" attribute's value is an advisory media type: it is a hint about the type of the representation that is expected to be returned when the value of the href attribute is dereferenced." -- > ... Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 12:23:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881613A6839 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:23:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.294 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.294 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.305, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id esPI2oC-ksZF for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023D23A6825 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12KF6Jr067899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12KF6QZ067898; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com (e4.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.144]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12KEtNQ067880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n12KD3VI017796 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:13:03 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n12KEsEv187336 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:14:54 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n12KDroc009555 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:13:54 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n12KDrFL009534; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:13:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: <49874B3C.3090405@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org, Lisa Dusseault MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fwd: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:14:52 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/02/2009 02:14:54 PM, Serialize complete at 02/02/2009 02:14:54 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > There is no "for" attribute in RFC 4287. If this use case requires it, > maybe a link relation isn't the best way to do it (instead an extension > attribute?). Can you show me what you mean by extension attribute? It might not be common, but adding attributes to link elements seems legal according to the RFC. > The QName can be avoided by using the "Clark notation" > ({namespace-uri}local-name). Is there a common XSD datatype for this? I agree that if that's the strongest argument I can come up with, then... I don't care much one way or the other, whatever the group prefers. > It seems that collides a bit with RFC 4287's definition of type: I thought it was clearly in the spirit -- you can get whichever type of schema you want. Can you be a bit more specific for me? Thanks for the feedback! /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 12:38:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707163A67CF for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:38:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.582, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ll7l85FPjDQh for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E5D3A6933 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12KQs40068384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12KQsO8068383; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n12KQpsT068377 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Feb 2009 20:26:50 -0000 Received: from p508FBFFB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.22]) [80.143.191.251] by mail.gmx.net (mp056) with SMTP; 02 Feb 2009 21:26:50 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+COxxu8QmCh5JaoNrilGGHyYJI9ljYhOuyu19a0s AM5G5eim74bZli Message-ID: <49875706.1080802@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:26:46 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Salz CC: atom-syntax@imc.org, Lisa Dusseault Subject: Re: Fwd: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Richard Salz wrote: >> There is no "for" attribute in RFC 4287. If this use case requires it, >> maybe a link relation isn't the best way to do it (instead an extension >> attribute?). > > Can you show me what you mean by extension attribute? It might not be > common, but adding attributes to link elements seems legal according to > the RFC. I would assume that they'd need to be in a namespace different from the default namespace, otherwise we would have a potential collision with future revisions of RFC 4287. >> The QName can be avoided by using the "Clark notation" >> ({namespace-uri}local-name). > > Is there a common XSD datatype for this? I agree that if that's the > strongest argument I can come up with, then... I don't care much one way > or the other, whatever the group prefers. I personally do not have problems with QNames in attribute values (IMHO that ship has sailed); but I wouldn't be surprised if others disagree. In this case it could easily be avoided. >> It seems that collides a bit with RFC 4287's definition of type: > > I thought it was clearly in the spirit -- you can get whichever type of > schema you want. Can you be a bit more specific for me? The type is only a hint; thus a SHOULD-level requirement not to have multiple instances of the same type seems to conflict with the advisory nature of the attribute... > ... BR, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 13:02:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198C83A68F3 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:02:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yh8eVyDapD1S for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85E03A6A1F for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12KnmOP069415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12KnmDu069414; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from spaceymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12Knbwa069401 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (eth5126.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.116.5]) by spaceymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0480B194EBC for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:49:37 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:49:36 +1100 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > This link type points to the schema used to define the content of an > "atom:content" element of an "atom:entry" document. The "for" attribute is > used to identify the QName of the direct child of the "atom:content" element > that the link is intended for. is @for in the undefined or null namespace? 'direct child' .. are you thinking there might be multiple direct children of atom:content, like this: ... ... e. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 13:05:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6323A6AD1 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:05:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.355, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z6aD0H3+0N4W for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FF73A68F3 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12KrLVT069537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12KrL7M069536; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from spaceymail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12KrL6p069530 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (eth5126.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.116.5]) by spaceymail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9253CCA812 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:53:20 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:53:21 +1100 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49874B3C.3090405@gmx.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 3/2/09 6:36 AM, "Julian Reschke" wrote: >> Multiple links with the same =B3for=B3 value SHOULD have different =B3type=B2 >> values; processors are allowed to choose the schema language they best >> support. >=20 > It seems that collides a bit with RFC 4287's definition of type: >=20 > "On the link element, the "type" attribute's value is an advisory media > type: it is a hint about the type of the representation that is expected > to be returned when the value of the href attribute is dereferenced." -- > I disagree. I read that as saying there's the one schema resource which is expressed in different formats. e. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 13:29:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685DB3A69ED for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:29:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.429 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.570, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U5JvFCxL2Zjm for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071453A69B7 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12LHv1A070652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12LHvkf070651; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:17:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.143]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12LHjic070634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n12LFmBB010279 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:15:48 -0500 Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (d01av05.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.195]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n12LHjuT196580 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:17:45 -0500 Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n12LHjkg026524 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:17:45 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n12LHiMa026521 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:17:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Eric Scheid Cc: Atom Syntax MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:17:43 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/02/2009 03:17:44 PM, Serialize complete at 02/02/2009 03:17:44 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > is @for in the undefined or null namespace? Yes, because there didn't seem to be a need to put it into its own namespace. I'd rather avoid the clutter, but if the WG wants a separate namespace that's fine with me. > 'direct child' .. are you thinking there might be multiple direct children > of atom:content, like this: > > > > > > ... > ... > Yes. Although I'd pick "snl:floorwax" and "snl:desert-topping" as my examples. :) /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 14:08:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D83A6BA8 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:08:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.029 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.029 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.631, BAYES_50=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9fiV5EBfZlAL for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D4A3A6B1B for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12Lv6Wn072148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12Lv6Ol072147; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12Luugg072123 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from j4_james@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.152.19]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:56:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:56:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 87.82.23.192 by BAY141-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:56:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [87.82.23.192] X-Originating-Email: [j4_james@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j4_james@hotmail.com From: "James Holderness" To: "Atom Syntax" References: Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:56:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2009 21:56:55.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[29D10790:01C98581] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Eric Scheid wrote: > 'direct child' .. are you thinking there might be multiple direct children > of atom:content, like this: > > > > > ... > ... > Is that legal? In the processing model for XML media types, RFC4287 says "this would normally mean that the atom:content element would contain a single child element", which kind of implies that it might, under certain conditions, contain more than one. But I don't see how. RFC3023 puts me to sleep, so I may have misunderstood something, but I got the impression that +xml media types were specifically reserved for actual XML documents (the whole point is a common processing model is it not?). And a well-formed XML document, by definition, has exactly one root element. So what am I missing? Regards James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 14:59:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0734D3A6B04 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:59:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eEYXuJRm7pD0 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F411E3A6823 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12MkvJV074251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12MkvLu074250; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:46:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12Mkj5r074243 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:46:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from t.broyer@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so700492fga.26 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:46:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EP0mN6SE4nah7KADa3NMmHN10bZ+OtrmiYXo6dogz9g=; b=rujLdKkm0gZe4/YGI0nu7a0/0ILevvubK0xFFl5O0qk1vrpfLT/3vsD12L9lWSBsly eBvDxW/2SIjKIDWqk8VA/K+BHOw3Pl9XDsKhOG6SNC/XWDEPe0mZH/hejh6oSOe42c1w xKRv4fIJk2iKzv2S/NkjWarfRZeaj5r92VIjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=l5JV77KMnXw+PgeEKexdKthgheREc85olWooii7UabcljwVbj0h4Qndt166rqH1/2c YDsVQiCqdZQiInf4OnM2R6auvCA1g2ceCzjpXZKyEcj6yf9JC7OlV9G7tb7+RYUuKaAo nFwghoEh+8dkN7TNRXtNrEfo29tTcwm+HvoKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.4.2 with SMTP id 2mr905151fgd.50.1233614804360; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:46:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:46:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] From: Thomas Broyer To: Atom-Syntax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:56 PM, James Holderness wrote: > > Is that legal? In the processing model for XML media types, RFC4287 says > "this would normally mean that the atom:content element would contain a > single child element", which kind of implies that it might, under certain > conditions, contain more than one. But I don't see how. > > RFC3023 puts me to sleep, so I may have misunderstood something, but I got > the impression that +xml media types were specifically reserved for actual > XML documents (the whole point is a common processing model is it not?). And > a well-formed XML document, by definition, has exactly one root element. So > what am I missing? text/xml-external-parsed-entity and application/xml-external-parsed-entity Compare the 'document' production [1] with the 'extParsedEnt' one [2] in REC-xml. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#NT-document [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#NT-extParsedEnt (and note at the same time that text/xml-dtd and application/xml-dtd and text/xml-dtd cannot be used within atom:content as their not well-formed "parsed entities", despite being "XML media types" defined in RFC3023, as called by RFC4287 in the processing model for atom:content) (also note that RFC3023 doesn't prohibit the use of +xml for external parsed entities that are not documents) -- Thomas Broyer From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 15:09:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2B23A6B77 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xDQ7hi0yCPjz for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759DB3A6B1B for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12N1ocA074786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12N1ouL074785; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from spaceymail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12N1ogP074779 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [192.168.100.111] (unknown [202.46.135.14]) by spaceymail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8617E87085 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:01:49 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:01:48 +1100 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 3/2/09 8:56 AM, "James Holderness" wrote: > Eric Scheid wrote: > >>> This link type points to the schema used to define the content of an >>> "atom:content" element of an "atom:entry" document. The "for" attribute is >>> used to identify the QName of the direct child of the "atom:content" element >>> that the link is intended for >> >> 'direct child' .. are you thinking there might be multiple direct children >> of atom:content, like this: >> >> >> >> >> ... >> ... >> > > Is that legal? In the processing model for XML media types, RFC4287 says > "this would normally mean that the atom:content element would contain a > single child element", which kind of implies that it might, under certain > conditions, contain more than one. But I don't see how. > > RFC3023 puts me to sleep, so I may have misunderstood something, but I got > the impression that +xml media types were specifically reserved for actual > XML documents (the whole point is a common processing model is it not?). And > a well-formed XML document, by definition, has exactly one root element. So > what am I missing? I believe you are correct, especially for +xml media types. I'm hard pushed to think of any other media types which are for xml snippets/streams and thus not single-root documents. There is at least one example of an xml document with a media type which isn't +xml (I don't remember exactl what it is other than it living somewhere inside the vnd- tree) - even there it's a single-root-node xml document iirc. Rich, can you explain a bit more your thinking behind the 'direct child' distinction? Do you have examples in mind where two different schemas might apply to atom:content? ... ... e. From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 15:31:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545243A699C for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.969 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.969 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.630, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUbL6WAfhDMR for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BC93A6922 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12NHYeX075747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n12NHYph075746; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from chilco.textdrive.com (chilco.textdrive.com [207.7.108.242]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12NHNO5075736 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:17:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bill@dehora.net) Received: from [192.168.3.166] (83-70-234-252-dynamic.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [83.70.234.252]) by chilco.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D7DDD6C3 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <49877EFF.9030909@dehora.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:17:19 +0000 From: Bill de hOra User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Lisa Dusseault wrote: > Attribute Value > schema > Description > This link type points to the schema used to define the content of > other elements in an "atom:entry" document. The "for" attribute is used to > identify the QName of the direct child of the "atom:entry" element that > the link is intended for. -1 for QNames in content. > Multiple links with the same łforł value SHOULD have different łtype˛ > values; processors are allowed to choose the schema language they best > support. Some questions: - What are the types here? - Which schema languages can validate Atom? - What should happen when validation fails (eg in an AtomPub scenario)? - What should an application do when seeing a type it does not recognize? It's not clear what the validation target is - the entry, the content, ...? Does the rel type requires a co-occurence constraint with @for? My concern is that people are going to use this a la DTDs, which means breaking with mustIgnore and applications that worked yesterday not working today. > This link is intended > for automated use. > Security considerations > As with any other link. If there is associate validation behaviour, can the type not be used to deny service? 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Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:20:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2009 00:21:00.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A817830:01C98595] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Thomas Broyer wrote: >> what am I missing? > > text/xml-external-parsed-entity and application/xml-external-parsed-entity > > Compare the 'document' production [1] with the 'extParsedEnt' one [2] > in REC-xml. > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#NT-document > [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#NT-extParsedEnt Ok, that makes sense. I definitely slept through that section. I slept through pretty much anything to do with "external" in the XML spec too. > (also note that RFC3023 doesn't prohibit the use of +xml for external > parsed entities that are not documents) This is the bit that really confused me, since I thought I was awake then. I guess I was thrown by the 15 occurrences of the phrase "XML document" in section 7, when they really meant any old XML entity. I should have been paying closer attention. Thanks for clearing that up. Regards James From neil_a_delucia@adp.com Mon Feb 2 17:43:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D353A6B18 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:43:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=1.778, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5i9SCOpkO5CQ for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from agate.plala.or.jp (unknown [201.88.208.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E4AF23A6A05 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:43:31 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Customer Receipt/Purchase Confirmation From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090203014332.E4AF23A6A05@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:43:31 -0800 (PST)

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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 19:15:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1AA28C228 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:15:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.271 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.271 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.127, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4SIy8DIf8b0M for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889E03A6BE3 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n1338FUM086000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n1338Fqx085999; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e1.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.141]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13381wx085982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1336GJo030508 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:06:16 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n13380qT192780 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:08:00 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n133805U029053 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:08:00 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n13380uU029048; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:08:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Eric Scheid Cc: Atom Syntax , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:07:58 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/02/2009 09:08:00 PM, Serialize complete at 02/02/2009 09:08:00 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > > > > ... > ... > This is close, the link/@for values would actually be "for='foo:blarg'" for example. I went back to the RFC and re-read 4.1.3.1. It appears that you are right, multiple top-level elements inside atom:content are not allowed. Rats. But we still need link/@for for use at the feed level, where individual atom:entry/atom:content elements might have different types of content. Does that make more sense? (Original, the schema link was intended for content in an atom:feed document, but other discussion convinced our group that "content" belonged in atom:content. When I made that change I didn't go back and carefully check this. Sorry.) /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 19:29:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB7B3A69C6 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:29:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.402, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G5H9zK2z40Dk for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81FF28C228 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n133N7Ps086952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n133N7ga086951; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com (e6.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.146]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n133MuXo086942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n133NQme017961 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:23:26 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n133MtPl196414 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:22:55 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n133Mtub019583 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:22:55 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n133MsNU019577; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:22:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <49877EFF.9030909@dehora.net> To: Bill de hOra Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fwd: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:22:53 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/02/2009 09:22:54 PM, Serialize complete at 02/02/2009 09:22:54 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > -1 for QNames in content. Yeah, I don't really disagree. But I kinda dislike {uri}lname because it=20 looks too much like XSLT's AVT :) > > Multiple links with the same =B3for=B3 value SHOULD have different =B3t= ype=B2 > > values; processors are allowed to choose the schema language they best > > support. >=20 > Some questions: >=20 > - What are the types here? The types of the schema language. =20 > - Which schema languages can validate Atom? I dunno. Much of it is probably done via code, as opposed to a schema=20 language. My interest here is in being able to describe, in a=20 machine-readable way, the content of an atom:content element. =20 > - What should happen when validation fails (eg in an AtomPub scenario)? Out of scope; a server MAY reject the post. =20 > - What should an application do when seeing a type it does not=20 recognize? Ignore it, and keep looking in hope of finding a schema language=20 (link/@type) that it does understand. =20 > It's not clear what the validation target is - the entry, the content,=20 ...? Sorry, I don't understand the question. =20 > Does the rel type requires a co-occurence constraint with @for? =20 Interesting question. If the @type differs, then no (since a single @for=20 target could be described by multiple schema language). If the @type and=20 @for are the same at the feed and entry level, then no (since the=20 semantics are the entry takes precedence. But is it required that the=20 combination of @type and @for be unique at the same "level" (feed or=20 entry)? Not sure. =20 > My concern is that people are going to use this a la DTDs, which means=20 > breaking with mustIgnore and applications that worked yesterday not=20 > working today. Right now the only way to define the content of an atom:content element is = by out of band understanding. I don't see how making it possible to put=20 that information in-line breaks anything. What am I not getting? =20 > If there is associate validation behaviour, can the type not be used to=20 > deny service? Is this a question, or a preference? /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Feb 2 21:21:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F324C3A685F for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:20:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qEylG9tmQMyz for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C513A6971 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13571h3090781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n13571k5090780; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from spaceymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (lax-green-bigip-5.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n1356ovG090765 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eric.scheid@ironclad.net.au) Received: from [192.168.100.117] (unknown [202.46.135.14]) by spaceymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34C2194EA0 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:06:49 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:04:44 +1100 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] From: Eric Scheid To: Atom Syntax Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 3/2/09 2:22 PM, "Richard Salz" wrote: >> -1 for QNames in content. > > Yeah, I don't really disagree. But I kinda dislike {uri}lname because it > looks too much like XSLT's AVT :) instead of QNames, how about something like this: (obviously, I'm only guessing at the link@type values there) e. 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(c-98-224-93-96.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.224.93.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm17623qbw.30.2009.02.03.08.11.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:11:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49886CB4.5070501@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:11:32 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Salz CC: Eric Scheid , Atom Syntax , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Rich, I'm not yet convinced that the for attribute is necessary. Presumably, the schema format itself will be capable of identifying which elements it defines, meaning that a schema-aware processor could identify which schema to apply with relative ease. Further, since the atom:content element is only going to have a single top-level element, it would follow that within a single atom:entry element, there'd only ever be reason for a single schema link in the entry. schema links at the feed level don't make a lot of sense to me since the schema link itself is part of the entry metadata. Lastly, schema links at the feed level imply some kind of inheritance model for atom:link elements (e.g. an entry would inherit the schema links of the parent feed). The challenge with this is that Atom does not define any such inheritance model for atom:link and experience has shown that inheritance is not necessarily a good thing. My suggestions would be to drop the for attribute, limit the schema link to one instance per entry, and do not use schema links at the atom:feed level at all. - James Richard Salz wrote: >> >> >> >> ... >> ... >> >> > > This is close, the link/@for values would actually be "for='foo:blarg'" > for example. > > I went back to the RFC and re-read 4.1.3.1. It appears that you are > right, multiple top-level elements inside atom:content are not allowed. > Rats. But we still need link/@for for use at the feed level, where > individual atom:entry/atom:content elements might have different types of > content. Does that make more sense? > > (Original, the schema link was intended for content in an atom:feed > document, but other discussion convinced our group that "content" belonged > in atom:content. When I made that change I didn't go back and carefully > check this. Sorry.) > > /r$ > > -- > Visiting Member, IBM Academy > STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer > WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances > http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ > > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 3 08:50:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D897028C105 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:50:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.964 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.964 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.635, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fl67gew1LxSm for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971D728C0FC for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13GgLvA024950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n13GgLVC024949; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:42:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com (e6.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.146]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13Gg9Kx024935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:42:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n13Gge24032490 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:42:40 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n13Gg8jU146344 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:42:08 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n13Gf7ZT006382 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:41:07 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n13Gf60H006288; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:41:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: <49886CB4.5070501@gmail.com> To: James M Snell Cc: Atom Syntax , Eric Scheid , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:42:05 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/03/2009 10:42:07 AM, Serialize complete at 02/03/2009 10:42:07 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Without a schema link at the feed level, how can a client know what the server is expecting to see? Just as atom entries in a feed can be a mix of text, html, xhtml, why can't they be a mix of schema-defined entries? The syntax of text, html, xhtml are defined out-of-band in the Atom RFC's. I'd like to make it possible to define them in-band in a feed dcoument. /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 3 09:04:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C5128C237 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:04:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.899, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8cnmo-VwRnZq for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD72128C228 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13Gv7xP025844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n13Gv7HX025843; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:57:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-qy0-f20.google.com (mail-qy0-f20.google.com [209.85.221.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13GutCp025814 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so4015918qyk.10 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:56:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eIi4Rvk7aQNsB0N2sy7m16vqRttC/maN+ZegzAg1/7E=; b=x69S5R7WQDBUyRclvJdveuSsR4SGF0jq0c7X8tNI/5fv3a26ulMIZNPXIK5fSe+Gvd lUNS+xB+Dw6Tsc0BSdCOTedA8wv24/CCZm4ZJRA8YgMOaLJ14XyIRmIoGh1fScDXNZp+ m5gFj88j5tyviIqro29xWiCyTLnkZ4EXO+TLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JsZDto5nASJfTTf/agnjWaNYfyn6O2MRM9eXw2VvUyiDKr/axzjiZtHQhQSNSOYgyW u63rc7YHxZ5O/OLLJOIKyrmn3zJ7swqFcac2Ngqresac31ChSAmO4TlBB8MIpzGT1tjg uGJYEQjLJIkbmkYCPxEKt6UsCZ72ZHC/6Smck= Received: by 10.215.12.16 with SMTP id p16mr8368071qai.235.1233680215584; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.100? (c-98-224-93-96.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.224.93.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3392434qwk.42.2009.02.03.08.56.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:56:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49887756.7050101@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:56:54 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Salz CC: Atom Syntax , Eric Scheid , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Richard Salz wrote: > Without a schema link at the feed level, how can a client know what the > server is expecting to see? > > That's a different case. A schema link within the atom:entry is used to identify the schema of the top-level element within atom:content. Schema links within the atom:feed can be used to identify the schema(s) of the types of top-level elements that should appear within the feed. Those are two separate cases, neither of which requires the invention of the for attribute. > Just as atom entries in a feed can be a mix of text, html, xhtml, why > can't they be a mix of schema-defined entries? The syntax of text, html, > xhtml are defined out-of-band in the Atom RFC's. I'd like to make it > possible to define them in-band in a feed dcoument. > > This is fine but if you go down this route, there are many issues that need to be dealt with. If you allow schema links at the atom:feed, does that mean the content of all entries in the feed has to conform to that schema? What if the entry has a schema link that conflicts with a feed level schema link? What if there are multiple schema links that specify the same value for the for attribute? If you take an entry from an atom:feed containing a schema link and put it into another feed, should the schema link be added to the entry or should an atom:source element be added containing the schema link? I think you need to very clearly define how this is all going to work. - James > /r$ > > -- > Visiting Member, IBM Academy > STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer > WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances > http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ > > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 3 09:17:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C5F3A6B9F for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.356, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rMAwbEq+x2o0 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C863A6B17 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13H7vZR026329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n13H7vVD026328; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com (e6.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.146]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13H7tsG026316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n13H8QUg001588 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:08:26 -0500 Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (d01av05.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.195]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n13H7sEd139642 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:07:54 -0500 Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n13H4SLj004313 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:07:54 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n13BYPup021321; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:34:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Eric Scheid Cc: Atom Syntax , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:34:23 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/03/2009 05:34:25 AM, Serialize complete at 02/03/2009 05:34:25 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: It's an interesting idea. You could get similar effect by using xml:id. But then there's no way to specify in an atom:feed what data the server wants (or will be providing) for the atom:entry's. /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 3 09:24:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F4A3A6B2E for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:24:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.611, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_36=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uulisjQ8TJLi for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB563A68ED for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13HBuHG026558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n13HBux8026557; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e1.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.141]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13HBhvs026530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:11:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n13H9wXp003917 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:09:58 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n13HBh05177328 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:11:43 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n13HBhvU022985 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:11:43 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n13HBhlS022960; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:11:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <49887756.7050101@gmail.com> To: James M Snell Cc: Atom Syntax , Eric Scheid , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:11:41 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2|August 07, 2008) at 02/03/2009 11:11:43 AM, Serialize complete at 02/03/2009 11:11:43 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > Schema > links within the atom:feed can be used to identify the schema(s) of the > types of top-level elements that should appear within the feed. Those > are two separate cases, neither of which requires the invention of the > for attribute. Yes, since atom:content can only have a single child element, then the @for is superfluous. But I don't understand how to meet the feed issue without the @for -- can you show me how? Let's say I have a feed that accepts tns:esb entries and snl:foobar entries. > This is fine but if you go down this route, there are many issues that > need to be dealt with. It's not clear to me that every single semantic needs to be completely nailed down (viz, http://www.dehora.net/journal/2009/02/03/just-use-post/). Looking at RFC 5005, what if a feed contains multiple conflicting archive links? I'll meet the requirements, I just don't want to be a special case :) /r$ -- Visiting Member, IBM Academy STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 3 09:33:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8803A6B96 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:33:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.388, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7dhmS+DMYheY for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA403A6407 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13HQHZU027227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n13HQHeU027226; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:26:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13HQ6Le027209 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:26:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jasnell@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so1163024ana.4 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:26:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RLZPYdeeWEV0zWI0f0RlABAc5Y8z66WXj63H1n7cHM8=; b=k5DSsbuZXV2b5l9bE1znXMR+ZOdAKTwbUkVwu4P0dafAG4HTHp1+PyRhQewX+rZUKu 2KA/3eyPfNj0gLPQnn7Hl77rEvQY445ihFWW7z8hRUTMt8taJDQDto6op0yAgyOkteR3 ljoVNKbWDcA5mZNjvqEwXRG8EKeoNeGbn39fw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h9Y9qhnshBS5tvOdj12+lLBARxfebclR3XH89p9zyzbWxhHmUXTyrFi5otMlHWSPv7 xCO35c9R52X2M+pLRNk0lY3kL+vQCdGdSrUAFHka0vTLds+oMIkWk42oUr2z4C5cjVqk v23FfKQtcAZJArb5f1RwqH9Dk0p1vZRNMi6aw= Received: by 10.65.97.16 with SMTP id z16mr3402400qbl.46.1233681965535; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.100? (c-98-224-93-96.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.224.93.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s30sm230932qbs.20.2009.02.03.09.26.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:26:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49887E2C.7050907@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:26:04 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Salz CC: Eric Scheid , Atom Syntax , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: FWIW, you should probably also be looking at how to provide some of this information in the Atompub Service Document. Richard Salz wrote: > It's an interesting idea. You could get similar effect by using xml:id. > But then there's no way to specify in an atom:feed what data the server > wants (or will be providing) for the atom:entry's. > > /r$ > > -- > Visiting Member, IBM Academy > STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer > WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances > http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ > > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 3 09:35:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B013A6B96 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:35:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.519, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rRyZN2omuDGT for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73893A6407 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n13HLA0V027002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:21:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n13HLAJt027001; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:21:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n13HKwIc026981 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Feb 2009 17:20:57 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp062) with SMTP; 03 Feb 2009 18:20:57 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/gXX5s7F/gZSuN/r4xwzUpk7dECcdKQofpIRogp9 sQeynW8uWCPQ3b Message-ID: <49887CF5.4050904@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:20:53 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James M Snell CC: Richard Salz , Atom Syntax , Eric Scheid , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: <49887756.7050101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49887756.7050101@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: James M Snell wrote: > ... > This is fine but if you go down this route, there are many issues that > need to be dealt with. If you allow schema links at the atom:feed, does > that mean the content of all entries in the feed has to conform to that > schema? What if the entry has a schema link that conflicts with a feed > level schema link? What if there are multiple schema links that specify > the same value for the for attribute? If you take an entry from an > atom:feed containing a schema link and put it into another feed, should > the schema link be added to the entry or should an atom:source element > be added containing the schema link? I think you need to very clearly > define how this is all going to work. > ... In particular, what happens to the rule "ignore foreign markup"? () Wouldn't a server that XML-Schema-validates a given part of the document be violating this principle (unless it's a schema that has been explicitly designed to allow foreign markup)? 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(c-98-224-93-96.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.224.93.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm3295692qwj.43.2009.02.03.09.21.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49887D10.1070905@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:21:20 -0800 From: James M Snell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Salz CC: Atom Syntax , Eric Scheid , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Subject: Re: Management Item: Request for ATOM Link Relation [IANA #209057] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Richard Salz wrote: >> Schema >> links within the atom:feed can be used to identify the schema(s) of the >> types of top-level elements that should appear within the feed. Those >> are two separate cases, neither of which requires the invention of the >> for attribute. >> > > Yes, since atom:content can only have a single child element, then the > @for is superfluous. But I don't understand how to meet the feed issue > without the @for -- can you show me how? Let's say I have a feed that > accepts tns:esb entries and snl:foobar entries. > > A schema-link-aware client is likely going to be able to look at the schema itself to determine what kind of element is defines without the use of the for attribute. >> This is fine but if you go down this route, there are many issues that >> need to be dealt with. >> > > It's not clear to me that every single semantic needs to be completely > nailed down (viz, > http://www.dehora.net/journal/2009/02/03/just-use-post/). Looking at RFC > 5005, what if a feed contains multiple conflicting archive links? I'll > meet the requirements, I just don't want to be a special case :) > > Of course there's no need to define everything but there are simple steps you can take o reduce the number of things that need to be explained. - James > /r$ > > -- > Visiting Member, IBM Academy > STSM, DataPower Chief Programmer > WebSphere DataPower SOA Appliances > http://www.ibm.com/software/integration/datapower/ > > > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 3 09:57:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63D028C1E9 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:57:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.942 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.942 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.657, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WucNN2Ly0NjO for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDC228C22B for