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* Erik Wilde <dret@berkeley.edu> [2009-02-26 03:15]:
> is there a reason why this was never completed, is it
> considered unnecessary, or is there a standard? and are
> people currently just pointing to informal documents and
> waiting for HTML5?

Pretty much the last one. It was decided all around that this
belonged in the HTML spec and no further work was done.

Regards,
-- 
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Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Erik Wilde <dret@berkeley.edu> [2009-02-26 03:15]:
>> is there a reason why this was never completed, is it
>> considered unnecessary, or is there a standard? and are
>> people currently just pointing to informal documents and
>> waiting for HTML5?
> Pretty much the last one. It was decided all around that this
> belonged in the HTML spec and no further work was done.

is that overly pedantic, or wouldn't it be true that anything that HTML 
did would only apply to HTML5 and therefore would not apply to any other 
web pages? i always thought it would be better if there were a link 
relationship registry and not a hardcoded list in the HTML spec, but 
then again, even with that approach, this would not change anything for 
older HTML versions, i guess.

apart from these formal questions: it is therefore believed that HTML5 
will do the right thing and browsers will hopefully start to implement 
whatever they are specifying?

thanks,

dret.


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* Erik Wilde <dret@berkeley.edu> [2009-03-01 18:50]:
> i always thought it would be better if there were a link
> relationship registry and not a hardcoded list in the HTML
> spec

There is already such an effort. Someone else will have to supply
the link…

> it is therefore believed that HTML5 will do the right thing and
> browsers will hopefully start to implement whatever they are
> specifying?

Browsers already implement autodiscovery. But yeah, it does look
like they’ll implement parts of HTML5, at least. They already do,
in fact. And this piecemeal implementation and standardisation is
supposedly the expected route anyway, or something.

Regards,
-- 
Aristotle Pagaltzis // <http://plasmasturm.org/>


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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis <pagaltzis@gmx.de>wrot=
e:

>
> * Erik Wilde <dret@berkeley.edu> [2009-03-01 18:50]:
> > i always thought it would be better if there were a link
> > relationship registry and not a hardcoded list in the HTML
> > spec
>
> There is already such an effort. Someone else will have to supply
> the link=E2=80=A6


Here's the link:

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03.txt

--peter


>
>
> > it is therefore believed that HTML5 will do the right thing and
> > browsers will hopefully start to implement whatever they are
> > specifying?
>
> Browsers already implement autodiscovery. But yeah, it does look
> like they=E2=80=99ll implement parts of HTML5, at least. They already do,
> in fact. And this piecemeal implementation and standardisation is
> supposedly the expected route anyway, or something.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Aristotle Pagaltzis // <http://plasmasturm.org/>
>
>

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Aristot=
le Pagaltzis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pagaltzis@gmx.de">paga=
ltzis@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
* Erik Wilde &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dret@berkeley.edu">dret@berkeley.edu</a>=
&gt; [2009-03-01 18:50]:<br>
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d">&gt; i always thought it would be better if there wer=
e a link<br>
&gt; relationship registry and not a hardcoded list in the HTML<br>
&gt; spec<br>
<br>
</div>There is already such an effort. Someone else will have to supply<br>
the link=E2=80=A6</blockquote><div><br>Here&#39;s the link:<br><br><a href=
=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03.txt">http=
://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03.txt</a><br><br>--=
peter<br>
=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px=
 solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><=
br>
<div class=3D"Ih2E3d"><br>
&gt; it is therefore believed that HTML5 will do the right thing and<br>
&gt; browsers will hopefully start to implement whatever they are<br>
&gt; specifying?<br>
<br>
</div>Browsers already implement autodiscovery. But yeah, it does look<br>
like they=E2=80=99ll implement parts of HTML5, at least. They already do,<b=
r>
in fact. And this piecemeal implementation and standardisation is<br>
supposedly the expected route anyway, or something.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><br>
Regards,<br>
--<br>
Aristotle Pagaltzis // &lt;<a href=3D"http://plasmasturm.org/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://plasmasturm.org/</a>&gt;<br>
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Peter Keane wrote:
> Here's the link:
> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03.txt

thanks a lot for the link! 
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-04.txt is the 
latest version, btw, and i have updated my atom landscape overview to 
also include a link to that draft, which i hope will become an RFC.

http://dret.typepad.com/dretblog/atom-landscape.html

it seems to me that this draft and HTML5 are currently out of sync when 
it comes to linking to feeds. HTML5 explicitly defines a "feed" relation 
(http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#link-type-feed), whereas the 
draft only has "alternate" and thus probably is based on current 
practice. is HTML5 expected to maybe add "feed" (and whatever else new 
link relations it may introduce) to the registry, or wouldn't it be 
easier to include this in the registry from the very beginning, so that 
HTML5 can count on it?

but then again, if "feed" would be defined by that draft, its semantics 
would also have to be defined by it, because there currently is no 
stable document defining it. which in a way brings me back to my initial 
question of where those semantics are currently defined anywhere...

thanks and cheers,

dret.


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Hi,

On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Peter Keane wrote:

>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03.txt
>
> --peter

There currently is a thread on the www-tag that is somewhat related =20
and AFAIU is likely to influence the Link header draft:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Feb/0270.html

Jan





>
>
>
> > it is therefore believed that HTML5 will do the right thing and
> > browsers will hopefully start to implement whatever they are
> > specifying?
>
> Browsers already implement autodiscovery. But yeah, it does look
> like they=92ll implement parts of HTML5, at least. They already do,
> in fact. And this piecemeal implementation and standardisation is
> supposedly the expected route anyway, or something.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Aristotle Pagaltzis // <http://plasmasturm.org/>
>
>


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Hi Erik,

On 02/03/2009, at 7:22 AM, Erik Wilde wrote:
>
> Peter Keane wrote:
>> Here's the link:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-03.txt
>
> thanks a lot for the link! http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-04.txt 
>  is the latest version, btw, and i have updated my atom landscape  
> overview to also include a link to that draft, which i hope will  
> become an RFC.
>
> http://dret.typepad.com/dretblog/atom-landscape.html
>
> it seems to me that this draft and HTML5 are currently out of sync  
> when it comes to linking to feeds. HTML5 explicitly defines a "feed"  
> relation (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#link-type- 
> feed), whereas the draft only has "alternate" and thus probably is  
> based on current practice. is HTML5 expected to maybe add  
> "feed" (and whatever else new link relations it may introduce) to  
> the registry, or wouldn't it be easier to include this in the  
> registry from the very beginning, so that HTML5 can count on it?

Like any application of the framework described in that draft, HTML5  
has to opt into it; the only exceptions to that are HTTP headers  
(which the draft itself defines) HTML4 (being grandfathered in with  
significant pain, see the TAG thread), and Atom (being changed  
explicitly, and only slightly, by the draft).

Since HTML5 is a work-in-progress, it's not really appropriate to talk  
about it in the draft; if they want to define how to hook in, they're  
more than welcome to do so (and we've worked to address as many of  
their concerns as possible, but only time will tell...).

Likewise, I've tried to avoid defining new relations in the draft  
itself; that's not what it's trying to do.

Cheers,


--
Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/


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I know that there has been some discussion here and on rest-discuss (esp.
[1]) about relating existing resources on the web, and there seems to be no
real consensus view about mechanisms for "creating" those relationships and
"deleting" those relationships.  Obviously, we have links,  but how you
"assert" a relationship, say, by way of AtomPub is unclear.  My instinct is
to simply do the GET/PUT operation on an atom:entry, adding a link. But
since a link is not a resource, I don't have a good way to make any
assertions about the link (other than it's @rel value) or to "delete" the
link.  Of course I can do another GET/PUT this time excluding the link, but
that's potentially difficult to manage on the back end.

The use case is a large image collection managed in an Atom store (atompub
for all operations).  We need to record information about each image:
bibliographic source data, country of creation, artist, etc. and when
possible, we want that information to come from a standard thesaurus:  Getty
Geographic Name, Getty Union List of Artist names, Library of Congress Bib
Record, etc.   Let's say I can get an Atom representation of any entry in
one of those sources (each w/ a "self" link).  So I create links on each
item in my image catalog.  Any thoughts on how best to "manage" that
relationship?  Anyone else doing this sort of thing in w/ Atom?
(essentially creating a relational database "on the web" where I have on
table and someone else has the others).

--peter keane

[1] http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rest-discuss/message/11383

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I know that there has been some discussion here and on rest-discuss (esp. [=
1]) about relating existing resources on the web, and there seems to be no =
real consensus view about mechanisms for &quot;creating&quot; those relatio=
nships and &quot;deleting&quot; those relationships.=C2=A0 Obviously, we ha=
ve links,=C2=A0 but how you &quot;assert&quot; a relationship, say, by way =
of AtomPub is unclear.=C2=A0 My instinct is to simply do the GET/PUT operat=
ion on an atom:entry, adding a link. But since a link is not a resource, I =
don&#39;t have a good way to make any assertions about the link (other than=
 it&#39;s @rel value) or to &quot;delete&quot; the link.=C2=A0 Of course I =
can do another GET/PUT this time excluding the link, but that&#39;s potenti=
ally difficult to manage on the back end.<br>
<br>The use case is a large image collection managed in an Atom store (atom=
pub for all operations).=C2=A0 We need to record information about each ima=
ge:=C2=A0 bibliographic source data, country of creation, artist, etc. and =
when possible, we want that information to come from a standard thesaurus:=
=C2=A0 Getty Geographic Name, Getty Union List of Artist names, Library of =
Congress Bib Record, etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Let&#39;s say I can get an Atom repre=
sentation of any entry in one of those sources (each w/ a &quot;self&quot; =
link).=C2=A0 So I create links on each item in my image catalog.=C2=A0 Any =
thoughts on how best to &quot;manage&quot; that relationship?=C2=A0 Anyone =
else doing this sort of thing in w/ Atom?=C2=A0 (essentially creating a rel=
ational database &quot;on the web&quot; where I have on table and someone e=
lse has the others).<br>
<br>--peter keane<br><br>[1] <a href=3D"http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/=
rest-discuss/message/11383">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rest-discuss=
/message/11383</a><br>

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* Peter Keane <pkeane@mail.utexas.edu> [2009-03-10 22:50]:
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One possibility would be to treat this as a per-entry linkblog.
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I just released the free, open-source AtomSite <http://atomsite.net> 0.9 web
publishing platform.  This release is completely modular and it takes
advantage of Atom extensions and AtomPub extensions.  The AtomPub plug-in is
core and enabled by default.  The service document stores the site,
workspace, and collection configuration.

AtomSite can be used as both a CMS and blog engine.


AtomSite is built using the ASP.NET MVC 1.0 framework, just released this
week. It has some really nice features such as composite widgets, a theme
view engine, plug-ins, OpenID, and more.


The source code is available at:

http://blogsvc.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=24915 or
http://atomsite.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/


Also, I'm looking for some help on the project if anyone is interested in
joining the dev team.


Thanks for any feedback you may have.

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<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;">I just released the free, open-source <a href=3D"http://atomsite=
.net">AtomSite</a> 0.9 web publishing platform. =A0This release is complete=
ly modular and it takes advantage of Atom extensions and AtomPub extensions=
. =A0The AtomPub plug-in is core and enabled by default. =A0The service doc=
ument stores the site, workspace, and collection configuration.</span><div>
<br></div><div>

<p style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-=
left: 0in; font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-sp=
an" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">AtomSite can be
used as both a CMS and blog engine. </span></p>

<p style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-=
left: 0in; font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; "><br></p><p style=3D"margin-to=
p: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size:=
 9.75pt; color: black; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;">AtomSite is built using the <a href=3D"http://ASP.NET">ASP.NET</=
a> MVC 1.0 framework, just released this week.=A0It has some really nice fe=
atures such as
composite widgets, a theme view engine, plug-ins, OpenID, and more. </span>=
</p>

<p style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-=
left: 0in; font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-sp=
an" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-lef=
t: 0in; font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;">The
source code is available at:</span></p>

<p style=3D"margin:0in"><a href=3D"http://blogsvc.codeplex.com/Release/Proj=
ectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=3D24915"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.75pt; "><sp=
an class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-=
serif;">http://blogsvc.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=
=3D24915</span></span></a><span style=3D"font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; "=
><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, s=
ans-serif;">=A0or </span></span><a href=3D"http://atomsite.googlecode.com/s=
vn/trunk/"><span style=3D"font-size: 9.75pt; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-s=
pan" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">http://atomsite.g=
ooglecode.com/svn/trunk/</span></span></a></p>


<p style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-=
left: 0in; font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-sp=
an" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-lef=
t: 0in; font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;">Also,
I&#39;m looking for some help on the project if anyone is interested in joi=
ning the
dev team. </span></p>

<p style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-=
left: 0in; font-size: 9.75pt; color: black; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-sp=
an" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></span></p><p =
style=3D"margin:0in;font-family:-webkit-monospace;font-size:9.75pt;color:bl=
ack">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;">Thanks
for any feedback you may have.</span>=A0</p></div>

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On 7 Oct 2008, at 04:15, Andrew da Silva wrote:

> While talking with Geoffrey Sneddon, he suggested using several Atom  
> documents, makes sense.

See also:

> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
> directories.
>
> 	Title           : Atom Export Format
> 	Author(s)       : G. Sneddon
> 	Filename        : draft-sneddon-atom-export-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 7
> 	Date            : 2009-03-23
>
> This document specifies a method of using the Atom Syndication Format
> as an export format.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sneddon-atom-export-00.txt
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

I wrote this fairly quickly a few weeks ago in the middle of the  
night, and the more I look at it now, the more I see issues with it.  
Nevertheless, the basic structure of it is what I was generally  
thinking of all those months ago when speaking to Andrew. All the  
same, comments are welcome (though don't bother rushing thinking it is  
absolutely urgent: I doubt I'll do much more to it until June).


--
Geoffrey Sneddon
<http://gsnedders.com/>


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Note: Blogger exports and imports blogs in an extended Atom format; we'd 
be interested in standardizing (the main extension is keeping comments 
with entries, and efforts have been made to re-use existing standards).  
Let me know if you want details.

Geoffrey Sneddon wrote:
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2008, at 04:15, Andrew da Silva wrote:
>
>> While talking with Geoffrey Sneddon, he suggested using several Atom 
>> documents, makes sense.
>
> See also:
>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>> directories.
>>
>>     Title           : Atom Export Format
>>     Author(s)       : G. Sneddon
>>     Filename        : draft-sneddon-atom-export-00.txt
>>     Pages           : 7
>>     Date            : 2009-03-23
>>
>> This document specifies a method of using the Atom Syndication Format
>> as an export format.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sneddon-atom-export-00.txt
>>
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
> I wrote this fairly quickly a few weeks ago in the middle of the 
> night, and the more I look at it now, the more I see issues with it. 
> Nevertheless, the basic structure of it is what I was generally 
> thinking of all those months ago when speaking to Andrew. All the 
> same, comments are welcome (though don't bother rushing thinking it is 
> absolutely urgent: I doubt I'll do much more to it until June).
>
>
> -- 
> Geoffrey Sneddon
> <http://gsnedders.com/>
>


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Removing Andrew seeming his email bounces=85

On 26 Mar 2009, at 05:48, John Panzer wrote:

> Note: Blogger exports and imports blogs in an extended Atom format; =20=

> we'd be interested in standardizing (the main extension is keeping =20
> comments with entries, and efforts have been made to re-use existing =20=

> standards).  Let me know if you want details.

Right, I had a look at what you guys did. My main issue was making =20
certain values of atom:category significant, which seems a rather =20
dirty hack (for a start, if you try and interpret it as a normal Atom =20=

feed document, you get something you don't want). Furthermore, it =20
means that if an object has to be created for a Post/Comment, it =20
couldn't be done (nor processing really beginning) until the =20
atom:entry end tag had been seen, which makes processing a lot more =20
complex using a streaming parser (which, as export files can easily =20
become large, is needed).

The two nicer solutions I can think of are to either place atom:entry =20=

within a child element of atom:feed if it is a comment (but this falls =20=

into integration issue with things like atom:entry's atom:author =20
coming from atom:feed or not, etc.), or to add an attribute to =20
atom:entry (but this again has issues when the processor isn't aware =20
of the export format, but has the possibility of being backwards =20
compatible with Blogger).

Needless to say, all of these solutions have downsides, which is why I =20=

went with the ustar-based solution (which has it's downsides too, such =20=

as greater implementation complexity, but it has the advantage of =20
being able to store other files apart from what can be easily put =20
within the Atom feed).

--
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Geoffrey Sneddon
<foolistbar@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Removing Andrew seeming his email bounces=E2=80=A6
>
> On 26 Mar 2009, at 05:48, John Panzer wrote:
>
>> Note: Blogger exports and imports blogs in an extended Atom format; we'd
>> be interested in standardizing (the main extension is keeping comments w=
ith
>> entries, and efforts have been made to re-use existing standards). =C2=
=A0Let me
>> know if you want details.
>
> Right, I had a look at what you guys did. My main issue was making certai=
n
> values of atom:category significant, which seems a rather dirty hack (for=
 a
> start, if you try and interpret it as a normal Atom feed document, you ge=
t
> something you don't want). Furthermore, it means that if an object has to=
 be
> created for a Post/Comment, it couldn't be done (nor processing really
> beginning) until the atom:entry end tag had been seen, which makes
> processing a lot more complex using a streaming parser (which, as export
> files can easily become large, is needed).

Just wanted to mention that some folks (myself included) regard using
atom:category the way blogger does (to say this is a "comment" kind of
thing, or a "post" kind of thing) to be both perfectly appropriate and
actually elegant (not a "dirty hack").  The fact that they don't use
@label makes it trivial to have the category not display in
environments where it shouldn't.  I regard this sort of use of
atom:category one of the very best implementation practices for gently
& reasonably extending Atom.  Much of Atom's power comes from this
sort of thing. I realize that not everyone agrees :-).

--peter keane


>
> The two nicer solutions I can think of are to either place atom:entry wit=
hin
> a child element of atom:feed if it is a comment (but this falls into
> integration issue with things like atom:entry's atom:author coming from
> atom:feed or not, etc.), or to add an attribute to atom:entry (but this
> again has issues when the processor isn't aware of the export format, but
> has the possibility of being backwards compatible with Blogger).
>
> Needless to say, all of these solutions have downsides, which is why I we=
nt
> with the ustar-based solution (which has it's downsides too, such as grea=
ter
> implementation complexity, but it has the advantage of being able to stor=
e
> other files apart from what can be easily put within the Atom feed).
>
> --
> Geoffrey Sneddon
> <http://gsnedders.com/>
>
>


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Peter Keane wrote:
> The fact that they don't use @label makes it trivial to have the
> category not display in environments where it shouldn't.

I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting here. In which environments 
should categories without labels NOT be displayed? Would you consider a feed 
reader such an environment?

If so, are you suggesting that existing feed readers be rewritten to follow 
this new rule? And would feed publishers with simple term-only categories 
now need to add labels to all those categories in order to have them 
displayed in these newly-rewritten feed readers?

That sounds like an awful lot of pain for what you regard as an "elegant" 
solution. Is "elegant" maybe slang for "dumbest idea ever"?

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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM, James Holderness <j4_james@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Peter Keane wrote:
>>
>> The fact that they don't use @label makes it trivial to have the
>> category not display in environments where it shouldn't.
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting here. In which environments
> should categories without labels NOT be displayed? Would you consider a feed
> reader such an environment?
>
> If so, are you suggesting that existing feed readers be rewritten to follow
> this new rule? And would feed publishers with simple term-only categories
> now need to add labels to all those categories in order to have them
> displayed in these newly-rewritten feed readers?
>
> That sounds like an awful lot of pain for what you regard as an "elegant"
> solution. Is "elegant" maybe slang for "dumbest idea ever"?
>

I actually hardly ever think of the case of feed readers when I think
about Atom, oddly enough.  Since the spec says: The "label" attribute
provides a human-readable label for display in end-user applications.
(4.2.2.3)" I was assuming that was its actual role in the wild.

I may be a party of one on this point (though I don't think so), but
for my uses of Atom (essentially in the SynOA style [1]),
atom@category is perfect for the sort of machine processing that I am
likely to do with an entry or feed.  And I have never had any problem
using a reader to monitor application processing, etc.  Inability to
use a stream processor is an obvious issue which I have not confronted
since I use DOM processing and a factory method that hands me the
correct entry object based on the atom:category of interest.

--peter

[1] http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/09/synoa_what.html





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> James
>
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Peter Keane wrote:
> I actually hardly ever think of the case of feed readers when I think
> about Atom, oddly enough.

Yeah, I can see that. I really would encourage you to spend a little time 
using a few of these feed readers and exploring their capabilities before 
you start proposing "best practices" that would cripple their functionality.

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, James Holderness <j4_james@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Peter Keane wrote:
>>
>> I actually hardly ever think of the case of feed readers when I think
>> about Atom, oddly enough.
>
> Yeah, I can see that. I really would encourage you to spend a little time
> using a few of these feed readers and exploring their capabilities before
> you start proposing "best practices" that would cripple their functionality.
>

Does the Blogger format (which I was championing) cripple their
functionality?  Just curious....

--peter

> Regards
> James
>
>


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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, James Holderness <j4_james@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Yeah, I can see that. I really would encourage you to spend a little time
> using a few of these feed readers and exploring their capabilities before
> you start proposing "best practices" that would cripple their functionality.
>

Just checked my feeds in NetNewsWire, Liferea, and Google Reader & all
worked beautifully (I generally just use Firefox & check them in
FeedValidator).  Maybe we have different definitions of crippled?

--peter

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> James
>
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So people can see what we're talking about easily, I exported a (test) blog
and uploaded the xml here:

http://www.johnpanzer.com/blogexport.xml

Unfortunately this one didn't have comments, and only two entries, so most
of the data is taken up with settings.  If you view it in a feed reader, you
get something that looks a bit like key-value pairs (where each entry is a
key with a description and the content is the value).  There are various
drawbacks to the format, I'm not proposing it as a defined standard, but we
needed something to allow for export and import and it's an (IMHO)
reasonable starting point.

Looking at it in a reader, it's pretty clear that critical information isn't
being picked up by the generic reader, but it degrades fairly gracefully I
think.

John

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Keane <pkeane@mail.utexas.edu>wrote:

>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, James Holderness <j4_james@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Peter Keane wrote:
> >>
> >> I actually hardly ever think of the case of feed readers when I think
> >> about Atom, oddly enough.
> >
> > Yeah, I can see that. I really would encourage you to spend a little time
> > using a few of these feed readers and exploring their capabilities before
> > you start proposing "best practices" that would cripple their
> functionality.
> >
>
> Just checked my feeds in NetNewsWire, Liferea, and Google Reader & all
> worked beautifully (I generally just use Firefox & check them in
> FeedValidator).  Maybe we have different definitions of crippled?
>
> --peter
>
> > Regards
> > James
> >
> >
>
>

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So people can see what we&#39;re talking about easily, I exported a (test) =
blog and uploaded the xml here:<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.johnpanzer.com=
/blogexport.xml">http://www.johnpanzer.com/blogexport.xml</a><br><br>Unfort=
unately this one didn&#39;t have comments, and only two entries, so most of=
 the data is taken up with settings.=A0 If you view it in a feed reader, yo=
u get something that looks a bit like key-value pairs (where each entry is =
a key with a description and the content is the value).=A0 There are variou=
s drawbacks to the format, I&#39;m not proposing it as a defined standard, =
but we needed something to allow for export and import and it&#39;s an (IMH=
O) reasonable starting point.<br>
<br>Looking at it in a reader, it&#39;s pretty clear that critical informat=
ion isn&#39;t being picked up by the generic reader, but it degrades fairly=
 gracefully I think.<br><br>John<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, =
Mar 28, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Peter Keane <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:pkeane@mail.utexas.edu">pkeane@mail.utexas.edu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><=
div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, James Holderness &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:j4_=
james@hotmail.com">j4_james@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Peter Keane wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I actually hardly ever think of the case of feed readers when I th=
ink<br>
&gt;&gt; about Atom, oddly enough.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Yeah, I can see that. I really would encourage you to spend a little t=
ime<br>
&gt; using a few of these feed readers and exploring their capabilities bef=
ore<br>
&gt; you start proposing &quot;best practices&quot; that would cripple thei=
r functionality.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div>Just checked my feeds in NetNewsWire, Liferea, and Google Reade=
r &amp; all<br>
worked beautifully (I generally just use Firefox &amp; check them in<br>
FeedValidator). =A0Maybe we have different definitions of crippled?<br>
<br>
--peter<br>
<br>
&gt; Regards<br>
&gt; James<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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