Hi,
I'm writting an atom feed for "Space" items and would like to= include a <logo>
for each Space.

The spec says atom:icon/logo are elements for <feed>.
Is it ok to include them inside <entry>? Is there any experience on t= his?

I had a similar requirement recent= ly and though I decided against it at the time I have seen a proposal to us= e the <content> element under <link> elements for including lin= k contents inline. That way you're avoiding having to re-specify an ele= ment that already exists, provided there is nothing in the spec that says y= ou specifically can't do this - it's essentially an extension.

Sam

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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 15 01:50:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58073A67A8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:50:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZhMDvefi0uO for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47ED3A67A1 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9F8i6DI004663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:44:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9F8i6CU004662; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nxauth1.nexgenta.com ([93.89.80.170]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9F8i5Om004655 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mo@nevali.net) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:348:1d6:1:223:dfff:feaa:4762] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:1d6:1:223:dfff:feaa:4762]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nxauth1.nexgenta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF49EB69; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:44:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Mo McRoberts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:43:59 +0100 Subject: atom:feedset proposal To: atom-syntax@imc.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi folks, I=92ve come across a requirement in the course of a project I=92m = working =20 on for a format which is a little richer and more readily-extensible =20 than OPML. Creating something Atom-based was a natural fit for my =20 needs, and so that=92s what I=92ve done. Although I have no particular expectations of this supplanting OPML =20 for subscription exchange, I=92d like to offer a draft version of this =20= spec for review by the (far more knowledgeable than me) folk here. =20 I=92ve had good initial feedback, but it really needs a wider audience. If there are no obvious reasons why *not*, my intention is to submit =20 it as an I-D as a proposed extension to the Atom Syndication Format. =20 If it turns out I=92m barking up the wrong tree, it goes nowhere =20 (obviously)! The current working draft can be found at: http://nexgenta.github.com/Baird/draft-atom-feedset.html A couple of examples of the format can be found here: = http://github.com/nexgenta/Baird/blob/gh-pages/samples/guardian/feeds.xml = http://github.com/nexgenta/Baird/blob/gh-pages/samples/bbc/iplayer-feedset= .xml Any criticism (though I prefer the constructive kind) gratefully =20 received. Thanks, Mo. --=20 mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcroberts@me.com Jabber/GTalk: mo@ilaven.net Twitter: =20 @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? 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(dsl-217-155-16-26.zen.co.uk [217.155.16.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm18479qyk.3.2009.10.15.04.03.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD70169.9040005@degeneration.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:03:05 +0100 From: Martin Atkins User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atom-syntax@imc.org Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Mo McRoberts wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I�ve come across a requirement in the course of a project I�m working on > for a format which is a little richer and more readily-extensible than > OPML. Creating something Atom-based was a natural fit for my needs, and > so that�s what I�ve done. > > Although I have no particular expectations of this supplanting OPML for > subscription exchange, I�d like to offer a draft version of this spec > for review by the (far more knowledgeable than me) folk here. I�ve had > good initial feedback, but it really needs a wider audience. > Did you consider simply making an Atom feed of items which themselves represent feeds? Does this have any disadvantages over the new feedset element you've defined? From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 15 04:34:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50443A6926 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:34:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bU8xyNgV3qHB for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC6D3A68D8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FBTYl4015255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9FBTY1b015254; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nxauth1.nexgenta.com ([93.89.80.170]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FBTWCN015248 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:29:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mo@nevali.net) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:348:1d6:1:223:dfff:feaa:4762] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:1d6:1:223:dfff:feaa:4762]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nxauth1.nexgenta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDD9ECD8; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Mo McRoberts In-Reply-To: <4AD70169.9040005@degeneration.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:29:26 +0100 Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4AD70169.9040005@degeneration.co.uk> To: Martin Atkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 15-Oct-2009, at 12:03, Martin Atkins wrote: > Did you consider simply making an Atom feed of items which themselves > represent feeds? Does this have any disadvantages over the new feedset > element you've defined? I did; and indeed that=92s the initial approach that I took. However, doing so presented two key difficulties: 1. No grouping of feeds, beyond 'category'. While categories are =20 useful, they=92re a poor fit for representing a hierarchy of nodes =20 (including the expansion state of the tree). 2. More importantly, though, in order to include the full range of =20 hint information, one has to overload atom:entry to include all of the =20= children of atom:feed; moreover, if you wish to provide one or more =20 =93initial=94 (i.e., hint/advisory/cached) entries, you need to further =20= complicate matters by embedding sub-entries within the parent. Thus, I switched tack to defining an atom:feedset and atom:group, =20 which appeared to offer a couple of key benefits over the above. Most =20= poignantly, the semantic meaning and syntax of atom:feed and =20 atom:entry are essentially completely unchanged=97they=92re merely =20 interpreted in a slightly different context when they appear within an =20= atom:feedset. Further, having a different root element makes light =20 work of determining whether something is a =93feed of feeds=94 or simply = a =20 standalone feed. I suppose you could boil it down to aiming for the greatest =20 flexibility with the minimal impact. As atom:feedset can only occur as =20= the root of a feedset document, the impact upon Atom Feed and Entry =20 documents is nil. A side-effect of all of this is minimising any =20 difficulties which might be encountered in modifying Atom document =20 processors to work with feedsets. It=92s more of a gut feeling, but I think that in order to be *useful* =20= in most contexts, a user agent would have to be modified to understand =20= what the purpose of a feedset is, whichever way around it=92s =20 represented (although existing unmodified UAs would certainly be able =20= to parse a feed where each atom:entry represents another feed, I=92m not = =20 convinced that most users would have much use for a subscription to =20 such a thing!). All the best, Mo. --=20 mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcroberts@me.com Jabber/GTalk: mo@ilaven.net Twitter: =20 @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 15 11:13:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78463A659A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.023 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.023 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nxeG38EQ+CvM for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D1728C165 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FI6lB9081680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9FI6lNa081679; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:06:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-pz0-f193.google.com (mail-pz0-f193.google.com [209.85.222.193]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FI6ZLo081661 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pjkeane@gmail.com) Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so1034750pzk.28 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=ac5Mc5jUEhVcJlYJ/0Ft3GzSDezSegYmAvtouQEoBHw=; b=vSP90WgakZ8xgaosnhW4PEQRo4dRdOI15zw9H4OOWfM9TyM0RJmxNQTNH8yvLjYT0L Oyv7jp2YpdcLWBBEib8qmXq0F9KwiJGk7o10t7rTShKzEQ8LDGKYQ/BsQ35+0oJPfM2l y6k6HgS4Z6b28ZIK/wgh7GbIZltpv3zC0uOso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=Me/9upt1YRpzG2GMy+AR1NUkAWTm2gv7S5sVMop2G25idI5aYXM1vcik3qB04ssV1X d6opU9XwHZ7z7gEVEK/bzGxwOENyke4D8hjTKGLUI61jjHBbvocjT2+OrOrusNZ9ZptB MU05Lakdh1HKnaIzRrRYbYlrvOkbxTqMQPUdU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.100.14 with SMTP id c14mr244949wam.219.1255629994556; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:06:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4AD70169.9040005@degeneration.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:06:34 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4cbcce35f21c9300 Message-ID: <8158ad750910151106o1ad89478me80389e460ce61c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal From: Peter Keane To: Mo McRoberts Cc: Martin Atkins , atom-syntax@imc.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64d9412cb7e790475fd23c5 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --0016e64d9412cb7e790475fd23c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mo- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Mo McRoberts wrote: > > > On 15-Oct-2009, at 12:03, Martin Atkins wrote: > > Did you consider simply making an Atom feed of items which themselves >> represent feeds? Does this have any disadvantages over the new feedset >> element you've defined? >> > > > I did; and indeed that=E2=80=99s the initial approach that I took. > > However, doing so presented two key difficulties: > > 1. No grouping of feeds, beyond 'category'. While categories are useful, > they=E2=80=99re a poor fit for representing a hierarchy of nodes (includi= ng the > expansion state of the tree). > > I'm not so sure that category is not a perfectly good way to represent extension state (at least I use atom:category in similar ways -- I know others disagree w/ that approach, though). 2. More importantly, though, in order to include the full range of hint > information, one has to overload atom:entry to include all of the childre= n > of atom:feed; moreover, if you wish to provide one or more =E2=80=9Ciniti= al=E2=80=9D (i.e., > hint/advisory/cached) entries, you need to further complicate matters by > embedding sub-entries within the parent. > Have you looked at the inline[1] and hierarchy[2] ID's? It would at least be useful to see if those would do what you need. [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mehta-atom-inline-01 [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-divilly-atom-hierarchy-03 > Thus, I switched tack to defining an atom:feedset and atom:group, which > appeared to offer a couple of key benefits over the above. Most poignantl= y, > the semantic meaning and syntax of atom:feed and atom:entry are essential= ly > completely unchanged=E2=80=94they=E2=80=99re merely interpreted in a slig= htly different > context when they appear within an atom:feedset. Further, having a differ= ent > root element makes light work of determining whether something is a =E2= =80=9Cfeed of > feeds=E2=80=9D or simply a standalone feed. > > I suppose you could boil it down to aiming for the greatest flexibility > with the minimal impact. As atom:feedset can only occur as the root of a > feedset document, the impact upon Atom Feed and Entry documents is nil. A > side-effect of all of this is minimising any difficulties which might be > encountered in modifying Atom document processors to work with feedsets. > > It=E2=80=99s more of a gut feeling, but I think that in order to be *usef= ul* in > most contexts, a user agent would have to be modified to understand what = the > purpose of a feedset is, whichever way around it=E2=80=99s represented (a= lthough > existing unmodified UAs would certainly be able to parse a feed where eac= h > atom:entry represents another feed, I=E2=80=99m not convinced that most u= sers would > have much use for a subscription to such a thing!). Actually, I can think of many cases when I would like to subscribe to another user's set of subscriptions (although I don't necessarily think whether users might be likely "subscribe" to a feed needs to be a primary consideration when deciding whether a set should be represented by a feed). All that said -- I like very much that you are taking a run at this issue. best- Peter Keane > > All the best, > > > Mo. > > -- > mo mcroberts > http://nevali.net > iChat: mo.mcroberts@me.com Jabber/GTalk: mo@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali > > Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - > http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ > > > > > > > > > --0016e64d9412cb7e790475fd23c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mo-

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:29 A= M, Mo McRoberts <mo@n= evali.net> wrote:

On 15-Oct-2009, at 12:03, Martin Atkins wrote:

Did you consider simply making an Atom feed of items which themselves
represent feeds? Does this have any disadvantages over the new feedset
element you've defined?

I did; and indeed that=E2=80=99s the initial approach that I took.

However, doing so presented two key difficulties:

1. No grouping of feeds, beyond 'category'. While categories are us= eful, they=E2=80=99re a poor fit for representing a hierarchy of nodes (inc= luding the expansion state of the tree).

I'm not so sure that category is not a perfec= tly good way to represent extension state (at least I use atom:category in = similar ways -- I know others disagree w/ that approach, though).

2. More importantly, though, in order to include the full range of hint inf= ormation, one has to overload atom:entry to include all of the children of = atom:feed; moreover, if you wish to provide one or more =E2=80=9Cinitial=E2= =80=9D (i.e., hint/advisory/cached) entries, you need to further complicate= matters by embedding sub-entries within the parent.

Have you looked at the inline[1] and hierarchy[2] ID&= #39;s?=C2=A0 It would at least be useful to see if those would do what you = need.

[1] http:= //tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mehta-atom-inline-01
[2] = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-divilly-atom-hierarchy-03
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Thus, I switched tack to defining an atom:feedset and atom:group, which app= eared to offer a couple of key benefits over the above. Most poignantly, th= e semantic meaning and syntax of atom:feed and atom:entry are essentially c= ompletely unchanged=E2=80=94they=E2=80=99re merely interpreted in a slightl= y different context when they appear within an atom:feedset. Further, havin= g a different root element makes light work of determining whether somethin= g is a =E2=80=9Cfeed of feeds=E2=80=9D or simply a standalone feed.

I suppose you could boil it down to aiming for the greatest flexibility wit= h the minimal impact. As atom:feedset can only occur as the root of a feeds= et document, the impact upon Atom Feed and Entry documents is nil. A side-e= ffect of all of this is minimising any difficulties which might be encounte= red in modifying Atom document processors to work with feedsets.

It=E2=80=99s more of a gut feeling, but I think that in order to be *useful= * in most contexts, a user agent would have to be modified to understand wh= at the purpose of a feedset is, whichever way around it=E2=80=99s represent= ed (although existing unmodified UAs would certainly be able to parse a fee= d where each atom:entry represents another feed, I=E2=80=99m not convinced = that most users would have much use for a subscription to such a thing!).
=C2=A0

Actually, I can think of many cases when I would like to= subscribe to another user's set of subscriptions (although I don't= necessarily think whether users might be likely "subscribe" to a= feed needs to be a primary consideration when deciding whether a set shoul= d be represented by a feed).

All that said -- I like very much that you are taking a run at this iss= ue.

best-
Peter Keane
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All the best,

Mo.

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--0016e64d9412cb7e790475fd23c5-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 15 11:43:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FCC3A6848 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.746 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.746 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_26=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UGIEplv0kaJl for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2FC3A68A9 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FIdOOM083592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9FIdOJg083591; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nxauth1.nexgenta.com ([93.89.80.170]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FIdCoh083581 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:39:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mo@nevali.net) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:348:1b8:2:223:6cff:fe99:89f0] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:1b8:2:223:6cff:fe99:89f0]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nxauth1.nexgenta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2EFE04B; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Mo McRoberts In-Reply-To: <8158ad750910151106o1ad89478me80389e460ce61c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:39:08 +0100 Cc: Martin Atkins , atom-syntax@imc.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4AD70169.9040005@degeneration.co.uk> <8158ad750910151106o1ad89478me80389e460ce61c@mail.gmail.com> To: Peter Keane X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Peter, Thanks for the comments. On groups=97 I don=92t doubt there are mechanisms whereby a tree *can* be presented =20= in terms of categories, and in all honesty I=92m not hugely attached to =20= the proposed atom:group. An atom:feedset containing atom:feeds, each =20 of which may be categorised in a pretty rich and flexible manner could =20= work just as well (if not better) and potentially be a more =20 appropriate fit with Atom as a whole. My only concern, and it=92s a pretty minor one, is that quite a =20 different model to that used by OPML could hinder any potential =20 adoption as an alternative to it for many applications. I=92m leaning =20= towards that being a more hypothetical problem than anything else, =20 though! > Actually, I can think of many cases when I would like to subscribe =20 > to another user's set of subscriptions (although I don't necessarily =20= > think whether users might be likely "subscribe" to a feed needs to =20 > be a primary consideration when deciding whether a set should be =20 > represented by a feed). I possibly mis-phrased that. Certainly, being able to subscribe to a =20 set of feeds is useful; that=92s part of the motivation for tackling =20 this in the first place. *However* I don=92t think the usual UI =20 representations of a feed tend to be a good fit for an atom:feed where =20= each atom:entry in turn represents another feed. In other words, =20 whichever way you did it, you=92d have to modify UAs in any case. I had a quick read through the drafts you linked to (much appreciated). Clearly from those, it would be possible to represent a feedset as a =20 feed/entry, where each entry has a link with a relation of =93down=94, =20= containing an ae:inline which contains initial feed metadata and =20 possibly some entries. It does seem a little like using a =20 sledgehammer to crack a nut, though. I=92ll readily admit this is fairly subjective, but, it seems more =20 logical to add a new container to represent a (possibly unrelated) =20 collection of feeds, when the expression of =93a feed=94 is already = well-=20 defined and more or less left well alone, than shoehorn this into a =20 feed hierarchy. Although I can see potential applications for the =20 hierarchy (i.e., situations where you would ordinarily have a feed=97=20 such as for a list of posts, and normally have no way of describing =20 child feeds=97such as a feed of comments on each post), it doesn=92t = seem =20 to quite fit with the current feed-related uses of OPML. This isn=92t to = =20 say it won=92t -technically- fit, as it clearly will (my feedset is =20 conceptually just a subset of the hierarchy when you boil it right =20 down), but I=92m not sure it=92s =93right=94. Apologies=97that was a bit of a ramble. Hopefully that made sense! All the best, Mo. --=20 mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcroberts@me.com Jabber/GTalk: mo@ilaven.net Twitter: =20 @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - = http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 15 12:24:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3A93A692E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.27 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.27 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.116, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9IqT8skQzQ7f for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F433A67AA for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FJIk7C085873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9FJIkvl085872; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:18:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from blu0-omc2-s14.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s14.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.89]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FJIbDA085863 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from j4_james@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU0-SMTP89 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s14.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:18:37 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [87.82.26.24] X-Originating-Email: [j4_james@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from Baldur ([87.82.26.24]) by BLU0-SMTP89.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:18:36 -0700 From: "James Holderness" To: References: Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:18:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2009 19:18:37.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BAA2770:01CA4DCC] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Mo McRoberts wrote: > I�ve come across a requirement in the course of a project I�m working on > for a format which is a little richer and more readily-extensible than > OPML. Creating something Atom-based was a natural fit for my needs, and > so that�s what I�ve done. I'm not yet sure whether I think this is a good idea in general, but if you really need something more than OPML, I by far prefer your proposal to the suggestion others are making that you somehow try and use a regular atom feed. Some comments on the current draft: 1. Get your own namespace for the new elements. I'm almost positive you're not going to be able to extend the existing Atom namespace the way you're proposing, and I don't see any advantage to doing so even if you could. Having your own namespace doesn't stop you reusing Atom elements where needed. 2. In your draft spec, the group element has collapsed attribute, but in your example you're using an expanded attribute. I'm assuming one or the other is out of date. 3. The spec seems to indicate that the collapsed attribute is in the atom namespace. However in your example file it's in the default namespace which would make more sense. 4. Why restrict the author element in the feedset to no more than one? That may be all that is required for your needs, but you need to consider how others might use the format too. Given you're using Atom elements it would seem logical to follow Atom's lead and allow both multiple authors and contributors. That's all for now. Regards James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 15 12:35:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069693A699C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:35:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Mai3dbiP-z7 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BB33A694D for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FJUvDx086660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9FJUvZ4086659; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nxauth1.nexgenta.com ([93.89.80.170]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9FJUt3p086652 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:30:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mo@nevali.net) Received: from pip.ilaven.net (unknown [78.148.71.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nxauth1.nexgenta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EBAE07F; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Mo McRoberts X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:30:49 +0100 Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References:

To: James Holderness X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi James, Many thanks for taking the time to review and comment, it=92s very much =20= appreciated. On 15-Oct-2009, at 20:18, James Holderness wrote: > Some comments on the current draft: > > 1. Get your own namespace for the new elements. I'm almost positive =20= > you're not going to be able to extend the existing Atom namespace =20 > the way you're proposing, and I don't see any advantage to doing so =20= > even if you could. Having your own namespace doesn't stop you =20 > reusing Atom elements where needed. Noted, will tweak. > 2. In your draft spec, the group element has collapsed attribute, =20 > but in your example you're using an expanded attribute. I'm assuming =20= > one or the other is out of date. Ah, example is incorrect. It should be =93collapsed=94 (with omission =20= being collapsed=3D"no"). > 3. The spec seems to indicate that the collapsed attribute is in the =20= > atom namespace. However in your example file it's in the default =20 > namespace which would make more sense. Spec=92s wrong on that front. > 4. Why restrict the author element in the feedset to no more than =20 > one? That may be all that is required for your needs, but you need =20 > to consider how others might use the format too. Given you're using =20= > Atom elements it would seem logical to follow Atom's lead and allow =20= > both multiple authors and contributors. Spec=92s wrong there, too=97it was supposed to follow Atom=92s lead in =20= general, so I=92m more than happy to defer. I=92ll revise both spec/examples later on this evening to fix the above. All the best, Mo. --=20 mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcroberts@me.com Jabber/GTalk: mo@ilaven.net Twitter: =20 @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? 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This draft has expired in 2007, does that mean this extension has been canceled or has it been replaced by something else ? 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Oct 18 02:28:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1753A6818 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.223 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.223 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DOi7ys3HFw5P for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89C23A67E6 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9I9Lrjw069842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9I9LrHY069841; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eu1sys200aog113.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog113.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9I9LkfZ069833 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:21:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from samj@samj.net) Received: from source ([209.85.216.188]) by eu1sys200aob113.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKStreKbECI07/aBXvcN6MVV51NTgY2RIf@postini.com; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:21:52 UTC Received: by pxi26 with SMTP id 26so3008231pxi.25 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:21:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.194.7 with SMTP id r7mr1499358rvf.294.1255857705113; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:21:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AD70169.9040005@degeneration.co.uk> References: <4AD70169.9040005@degeneration.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:21:45 +0200 Message-ID: <21606dcf0910180221vea8c5fci31bfc178f6564499@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal From: Sam Johnston To: Martin Atkins Cc: atom-syntax@imc.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd211c466dafe0476322829 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --000e0cd211c466dafe0476322829 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Martin Atkins wro= te: > > Mo McRoberts wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I=92ve come across a requirement in the course of a project I=92m worki= ng on > > for a format which is a little richer and more readily-extensible than > > OPML. Creating something Atom-based was a natural fit for my needs, and > > so that=92s what I=92ve done. > > > > Although I have no particular expectations of this supplanting OPML for > > subscription exchange, I=92d like to offer a draft version of this spec > > for review by the (far more knowledgeable than me) folk here. I=92ve ha= d > > good initial feedback, but it really needs a wider audience. > > Did you consider simply making an Atom feed of items which themselves > represent feeds? Does this have any disadvantages over the new feedset > element you've defined? > This was my first thought too - unless there was some significant functionality that could not be replicated using e.g. categories then I would be hesitant to complicate Atom's simple and elegant model. I'm yet to see a compelling reason for a new entity. Sam --000e0cd211c466dafe0476322829 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Martin Atkins <mart@degeneration.co.uk>= wrote:

Mo McRoberts wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I=92ve come across a requirement in the course of a project I=92m work= ing on
> for a format which is a little richer and more readily-extensible than=
> OPML. Creating something Atom-based was a natural fit for my needs, an= d
> so that=92s what I=92ve done.
>
> Although I have no particular expectations of this supplanting OPML fo= r
> subscription exchange, I=92d like to offer a draft version of this spe= c
> for review by the (far more knowledgeable than me) folk here. I=92ve h= ad
> good initial feedback, but it really needs a wider audience.

Did you consider simply making an Atom feed of items which themselves=
represent feeds? Does this have any disadvantages over the new feedset
element you've defined?

This was my first thought too - unless there was som= e significant functionality that could not be replicated using e.g. categor= ies then I would be hesitant to complicate Atom's simple and elegant mo= del. I'm yet to see a compelling reason for a new entity.

Sam

--000e0cd211c466dafe0476322829-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Oct 18 05:09:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A95F3A69A6 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:09:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.27 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.27 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.116, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3RGZqwebrJcb for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA713A69A5 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9IC3umU077573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:03:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9IC3uWe077572; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.112]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9IC3owF077556 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from j4_james@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU0-SMTP20 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:03:50 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [87.82.1.229] X-Originating-Email: [j4_james@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from Baldur ([87.82.1.229]) by BLU0-SMTP20.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:03:49 -0700 From: "James Holderness" To: References:

Subject: Re: atom:feedset proposal Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:03:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2009 12:03:49.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D933320:01CA4FEB] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I was going to have a look at implementing this proposal as an import/export format for my feedreader this weekend, to see what issues might arise, and it immediately occured to me that there were a few things missing from the spec. If you want people to be able to use this format as an alternative to OPML, I think most of the following are fairly essential. 1. A file extension for Windows users and possibly a file type code for Macs (not being a Mac user, I don't know how important that is). 2. A media type for browsers. I see there was a mention of MIME types in your table of contents, but no mention of it in the spec itself, possibly because the original intent was to use the Atom media type. 3. A catchy name, so websites can identify the format that they're offering for download and feedreaders can include an "Import From XXX" menu that will mean something to users. 4. An identifiable icon, both for websites offering this format for download, and to represent the format when you have bunch of these files lying about on disk. Not that having all of the above is going to guarantee you widespread adoption or anything, but without these things you'll be making it a whole lot harder for people to use the format. Regards James From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Oct 18 12:39:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9E13A67D8 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wew1xyBpl3Hd for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448523A67B0 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9IJXEFu096945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9IJXE0Z096943; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bblfish.net (rust.entic.net [199.89.53.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9IJX77I096928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hjs@bblfish.net) Received: from z2ac6.z.pppool.de ([89.61.42.198] helo=[192.168.123.152]) by bblfish.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MzbV3-0005Wz-IF; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:33:06 -0700 From: Story Henry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Social Web Camp, Santa Clara Nov 2nd Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:32:56 +0200 Message-Id: To: Atom-Protocol Protocol , Atom Syntax Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Please forward to interested parties, tweet, blog! There will be a Social Web Camp in Sun Offices in Santa Clara on Monday November 2. It's is being hosted by SUN Microsystems and organized by Henry Story and Daniel Appelquist of Vodafone, co-chair of the W3C Social Web XG. All topics related to the Social Web will be covered, in a bar-camp style. It will be broad and open to all types of participants. 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