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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 11 22:28:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD7A3A6820 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:28:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.276, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DsuJvBX8JoFZ for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76D63A67AF for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAC6Io8u089555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAC6IodX089554; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-yx0-f196.google.com (mail-yx0-f196.google.com [209.85.210.196]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAC6Ig5j089538 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joe@bitworking.org) Received: by yxe34 with SMTP id 34so1701039yxe.16 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:18:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.106.24 with SMTP id i24mr2228476anm.141.1258006719691; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:18:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2B6D770A-58C5-48D6-AF52-7341812C9BFA@mnot.net> References: <8860AD10-B0C5-4BEF-8C68-731973EF4046@mac.com> <30ac519d0909101631m14782ce8vd085629237b0e444@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110445s78ea728cueb158ff588f394a5@mail.gmail.com> <404dcbd20909110500j5394c43dve10264c01a7a6244@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110617y40586e53x213e5e8febc4a9e8@mail.gmail.com> <0CB59F7B-A9DD-4866-8F70-A65869A79277@mnot.net> <21606dcf0909160246i56c1dc55l43631423a542c41a@mail.gmail.com> <2B6D770A-58C5-48D6-AF52-7341812C9BFA@mnot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:18:39 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Input on request for link relation From: Joe Gregorio To: Mark Nottingham Cc: Sam Johnston , Atom-Syntax Syntax , Hadrien Gardeur , Ian Hickson , HTTP Working Group , apps-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > On 16/09/2009, at 7:46 PM, Sam Johnston wrote: >> Would it be possible then to support multiple references so that people >> can see at a glance that a given relation is implemented as described in >> multiple formats (rather than just the first format that happened to >> register it)? May well not be worth the maintenance effort. > > How about adding a new field for references to more information about how= a > relation is used in a particular context (scoped by context media type)? > > E.g., > > References regarding use in specific contexts: > =A0 =A0text/html: [HTML5] > =A0 =A0application/atom+xml: [RFC4287] > Yes, that sounds like a great idea. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 12 02:31:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F055F3A687E for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:31:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.453, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W-bOxlAa2Ppw for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB60B3A672F for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nACAOElL004117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:24:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nACAOEOU004116; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:24:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eu1sys200aog117.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog117.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.143]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nACAOC2A004109 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from samj@samj.net) Received: from source ([209.85.216.172]) by eu1sys200aob117.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKSvviSyOxGFTWSKWwVYz5S+Ftp4QakeZd@postini.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:24:13 UTC Received: by pxi2 with SMTP id 2so1564787pxi.11 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:24:10 -0800 (PST) References: <8860AD10-B0C5-4BEF-8C68-731973EF4046@mac.com> <30ac519d0909101631m14782ce8vd085629237b0e444@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110445s78ea728cueb158ff588f394a5@mail.gmail.com> <404dcbd20909110500j5394c43dve10264c01a7a6244@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110617y40586e53x213e5e8febc4a9e8@mail.gmail.com> <0CB59F7B-A9DD-4866-8F70-A65869A79277@mnot.net> <21606dcf0909160246i56c1dc55l43631423a542c41a@mail.gmail.com> <2B6D770A-58C5-48D6-AF52-7341812C9BFA@mnot.net> From: Sam Johnston In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:24:11 +0100 Received: by 10.140.170.10 with SMTP id s10mr153470rve.72.1258021449463; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:24:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <-2851311788142652426@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Input on request for link relation To: Joe Gregorio Cc: Mark Nottingham , Sam Johnston , Atom-Syntax Syntax , Hadrien Gardeur , Ian Hickson , HTTP Working Group , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Another requirement I've stumbled on is the ability to group links. For OCCI for example we want to give users the ability to create their own actions (eg start, stop, restart) which will be advertised in the HTTP headers and/or HTML HEAD. Currently each action has it's own (opaque URI-based) rel so I have proposed class="action" be added for grouping. Alternatively we could do rel="[http://purl.org/occi/] action" and refine the action with one or more custom attributes (type is not really appropriate here, nor when advertising protocol endpoints like SSH and RDP which is anoter problem we ran into). Pagination (eg first, last, next, previous) is another potentially interesting group. Though the semantics are mostly predefined one could envisage links like "next 100", "next 1000". Sam on iPhone On 12/11/2009, at 7:18, Joe Gregorio wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mark Nottingham > wrote: >> >> On 16/09/2009, at 7:46 PM, Sam Johnston wrote: >>> Would it be possible then to support multiple references so that >>> people >>> can see at a glance that a given relation is implemented as >>> described in >>> multiple formats (rather than just the first format that happened to >>> register it)? May well not be worth the maintenance effort. >> >> How about adding a new field for references to more information >> about how a >> relation is used in a particular context (scoped by context media >> type)? >> >> E.g., >> >> References regarding use in specific contexts: >> text/html: [HTML5] >> application/atom+xml: [RFC4287] >> > > Yes, that sounds like a great idea. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 12 15:10:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977AB3A683B for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:10:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.322 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.322 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.724, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DNhKPHS+K29S for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3803A6784 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nACN0QX2053506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nACN0QP4053505; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from chilco.textdrive.com (chilco.textdrive.com [207.7.108.242]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nACN0OwI053499 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bill@dehora.net) Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unknown [89.100.251.254]) by chilco.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E11E3F4D; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4AFC937E.8060500@dehora.net> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:00:14 +0000 From: Bill de hOra User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Johnston CC: Joe Gregorio , Mark Nottingham , Atom-Syntax Syntax , Hadrien Gardeur , Ian Hickson , HTTP Working Group , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: Input on request for link relation References: <8860AD10-B0C5-4BEF-8C68-731973EF4046@mac.com> <30ac519d0909101631m14782ce8vd085629237b0e444@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110445s78ea728cueb158ff588f394a5@mail.gmail.com> <404dcbd20909110500j5394c43dve10264c01a7a6244@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110617y40586e53x213e5e8febc4a9e8@mail.gmail.com> <0CB59F7B-A9DD-4866-8F70-A65869A79277@mnot.net> <21606dcf0909160246i56c1dc55l43631423a542c41a@mail.gmail.com> <2B6D770A-58C5-48D6-AF52-7341812C9BFA@mnot.net> <-2851311788142652426@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <-2851311788142652426@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > (opaque URI-based) rel so I have proposed class="action" be added for Another requirement I've stumbled on is the ability to group links. > For OCCI for example we want to give users the ability to create their > own actions (eg start, stop, restart) which will be advertised in the > HTTP headers and/or HTML HEAD. Currently each action has it's own > (opaque URI-based) rel so I have proposed class="action" be added for > grouping. Alternatively we could do rel="[http://purl.org/occi/] > action" and refine the action with one or more custom attributes (type > is not really appropriate here, nor when advertising protocol > endpoints like SSH and RDP which is anoter problem we ran into). > > Pagination (eg first, last, next, previous) is another potentially > interesting group. Though the semantics are mostly predefined one > could envisage links like "next 100", "next 1000". > > Sam on iPhone > > On 12/11/2009, at 7:18, Joe Gregorio wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mark Nottingham >> wrote: >>> On 16/09/2009, at 7:46 PM, Sam Johnston wrote: >>>> Would it be possible then to support multiple references so that >>>> people >>>> can see at a glance that a given relation is implemented as >>>> described in >>>> multiple formats (rather than just the first format that happened to >>>> register it)? May well not be worth the maintenance effort. >>> How about adding a new field for references to more information >>> about how a >>> relation is used in a particular context (scoped by context media >>> type)? >>> >>> E.g., >>> >>> References regarding use in specific contexts: >>> text/html: [HTML5] >>> application/atom+xml: [RFC4287] >>> >> Yes, that sounds like a great idea. And vaguely familiar: >> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009JulSep/ >> 0699.html >> >> Thanks, >> -joe > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 12 15:29:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC103A681A for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:29:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.313 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.313 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.277, BAYES_00=-2.599, DRUGS_MUSCLE=0.01, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q2GUHdrQgLBp for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3063A6805 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nACNKhX8054718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nACNKhdB054717; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:20:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com (e4.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.144]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nACNKcAs054689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rsalz@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay05.pok.ibm.com (d01relay05.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.237]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nACNCLk4025839 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:21 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay05.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id nACNKbcd117178 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:20:37 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id nACJFDdE030183 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:14 -0500 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id nACJFD7a030166; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4AFC937E.8060500@dehora.net> References: <8860AD10-B0C5-4BEF-8C68-731973EF4046@mac.com> <30ac519d0909101631m14782ce8vd085629237b0e444@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110445s78ea728cueb158ff588f394a5@mail.gmail.com> <404dcbd20909110500j5394c43dve10264c01a7a6244@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110617y40586e53x213e5e8febc4a9e8@mail.gmail.com> <0CB59F7B-A9DD-4866-8F70-A65869A79277@mnot.net> <21606dcf0909160246i56c1dc55l43631423a542c41a@mail.gmail.com> <2B6D770A-58C5-48D6-AF52-7341812C9BFA@mnot.net> <-2851311788142652426@unknownmsgid> <4AFC937E.8060500@dehora.net> To: Bill de hOra Cc: "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , Atom-Syntax Syntax , Hadrien Gardeur , Ian Hickson , HTTP Working Group , Joe Gregorio , Mark Nottingham , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org, Sam Johnston MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Input on request for link relation X-KeepSent: 3FD2D0B6:6C34FBDB-8525766C:0080186C; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2FP1 SHF149 July 17, 2009 From: Richard Salz Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:20:31 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2FP2|June 22, 2009) at 11/12/2009 05:20:35 PM, Serialize complete at 11/12/2009 05:20:35 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > IOW allow the link registry to define rel scopes. The url or clash thing > sucks and I don't want someone rolling up with a curies/qnames or some > other XML macrocrap proposal for Atom. Yeah, it would be a huge mistake to use something that's pretty much already guaranteed to be part of your Atom infrastructure. Far better to create yet another distributed naming scheme. Not. r$ -- STSM, WebSphere Appliance Architect https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/soma/ From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 12 16:39:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5893A69E1 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DHBEs1GnnsIm for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901173A698F for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAD0Swfi058395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAD0SwAD058394; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:28:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eu1sys200aog109.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog109.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.127]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAD0Sq4P058384 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from samj@samj.net) Received: from source ([209.85.216.188]) by eu1sys200aob109.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKSvyoQ9FUJcjin+EFj/nZ3NbllJMw05eb@postini.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:28:56 UTC Received: by pxi26 with SMTP id 26so2048507pxi.21 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:28:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.125.15 with SMTP id x15mr6398rvc.0.1258072129824; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:28:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AFC937E.8060500@dehora.net> References: <21606dcf0909110445s78ea728cueb158ff588f394a5@mail.gmail.com> <404dcbd20909110500j5394c43dve10264c01a7a6244@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110617y40586e53x213e5e8febc4a9e8@mail.gmail.com> <0CB59F7B-A9DD-4866-8F70-A65869A79277@mnot.net> <21606dcf0909160246i56c1dc55l43631423a542c41a@mail.gmail.com> <2B6D770A-58C5-48D6-AF52-7341812C9BFA@mnot.net> <-2851311788142652426@unknownmsgid> <4AFC937E.8060500@dehora.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: <21606dcf0911121628o20229c2ao3f73648941381ef2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Input on request for link relation From: Sam Johnston To: Bill de hOra Cc: Joe Gregorio , Mark Nottingham , Atom-Syntax Syntax , Hadrien Gardeur , Ian Hickson , HTTP Working Group , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd290ba666775047835bebb Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --000e0cd290ba666775047835bebb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bill, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Bill de hOra wrote: > > (opaque URI-based) rel so I have proposed class="action" be added for > > > where "occi" is registered as for use by occi. > > IOW allow the link registry to define rel scopes. The url or clash thing > sucks and I don't want someone rolling up with a curies/qnames or some other > XML macrocrap proposal for Atom. > Thanks for the feedback - this is an interesting idea, however it's not immediately clear to me how this helps us as one of our main motivations is that others can create their own actions without bothering us or having to be registered. Basically we'd be trading one opaque identifier that doesn't need to be registered for a shorter one that does and unless we were to accept petitions from the public it would still not be possible to identify which relations are "actions" anyway (consider "stop@occi" vs "quiesce@vendor"). The use case is the client saying "ok all these things are actions so even if I don't understand what "quiesce" means I can still show a button to the user in the right place". A reversed, dotted domain format ala "org.occi-wg.action.stop" was something else we considered but it too would not enjoy backwards compatibility with existing implementations. It would however provide a simple solution to the registry "problem" and could be easily differentiated from "short" relations by the presence of "." and URIs by ":" (or some other regexps). That is to say, it's compatible with what we have today, infinitely scalable, distributed, concise, basically everything you want in an identifier. Sam > Sam Johnston wrote: > >> Another requirement I've stumbled on is the ability to group links. >> For OCCI for example we want to give users the ability to create their >> own actions (eg start, stop, restart) which will be advertised in the >> HTTP headers and/or HTML HEAD. Currently each action has it's own >> (opaque URI-based) rel so I have proposed class="action" be added for >> grouping. Alternatively we could do rel="[http://purl.org/occi/] >> action" and refine the action with one or more custom attributes (type >> is not really appropriate here, nor when advertising protocol >> endpoints like SSH and RDP which is anoter problem we ran into). >> >> Pagination (eg first, last, next, previous) is another potentially >> interesting group. Though the semantics are mostly predefined one >> could envisage links like "next 100", "next 1000". >> >> Sam on iPhone >> >> On 12/11/2009, at 7:18, Joe Gregorio wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mark Nottingham >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 16/09/2009, at 7:46 PM, Sam Johnston wrote: >>>> >>>>> Would it be possible then to support multiple references so that >>>>> people >>>>> can see at a glance that a given relation is implemented as >>>>> described in >>>>> multiple formats (rather than just the first format that happened to >>>>> register it)? May well not be worth the maintenance effort. >>>>> >>>> How about adding a new field for references to more information >>>> about how a >>>> relation is used in a particular context (scoped by context media >>>> type)? >>>> >>>> E.g., >>>> >>>> References regarding use in specific contexts: >>>> text/html: [HTML5] >>>> application/atom+xml: [RFC4287] >>>> >>>> Yes, that sounds like a great idea. And vaguely familiar: >>> >>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009JulSep/ >>> 0699.html >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -joe >>> >> >> > --000e0cd290ba666775047835bebb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Bill de hOra <bil= l@dehora.net> wrote:
> (opaque URI-based) rel so I have proposed class=3D"action&qu= ot; be added for

<link rel=3D"stop@occi"

where "occi" is registered as for use by occi.

IOW allow the link registry to define rel scopes. The url or clash thing su= cks and I don't want someone rolling up with a curies/qnames or some ot= her XML macrocrap proposal for Atom.

Thanks for the feedback - this is a= n interesting idea, however it's not immediately clear to me how this h= elps us as one of our main motivations is that others can create their own = actions without bothering us or having to be registered.

Basically we'd be trading one opaque identifier tha= t doesn't need to be registered for a shorter one that does and unless = we were to accept petitions from the public it would still not be possible = to identify which relations are "actions" anyway (consider "= stop@occi" vs "quiesce@vendor"). The use case is the client = saying "ok all these things are actions so even if I don't underst= and what "quiesce" means I can still show a button to the user in= the right place".

A reversed, dotted domain format ala "org.occi-wg.= action.stop" was something else we considered but it too would not enj= oy backwards compatibility with existing implementations. It would however = provide a simple solution to the registry "problem" and could be = easily differentiated from "short" relations by the presence of &= quot;." and URIs by ":" (or some other regexps). That is to = say, it's compatible with what we have today, infinitely scalable, dist= ributed, concise, basically everything you want in an identifier.

Sam
=A0
Sam Johnston wrote:
Another requirement I've stumbled on is the ability to group links.
For OCCI for example we want to give users the ability to create their
own actions (eg start, stop, restart) which will be advertised in the
HTTP headers and/or HTML HEAD. Currently each action has it's own
(opaque URI-based) rel so I have proposed class=3D"action" be add= ed for
grouping. Alternatively we could do rel=3D"[http://purl.org/occi/]
action" and refine the action with one or more custom attributes (type=
is not really appropriate here, nor when advertising protocol
endpoints like SSH and RDP which is anoter problem we ran into).

Pagination (eg first, last, next, previous) is another potentially
interesting group. Though the semantics are mostly predefined one
could envisage links like "next 100", "next 1000".

Sam on iPhone

On 12/11/2009, at 7:18, Joe Gregorio <joe@bitworking.org> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
wrote:
On 16/09/2009, at 7:46 PM, Sam Johnston wrote:
Would it be possible then to support multiple references so that
people
can see at a glance that a given relation is implemented as
described in
multiple formats (rather than just the first format that happened to
register it)? May well not be worth the maintenance effort.
How about adding a new field for references to more information
about how a
relation is used in a particular context (scoped by context media
type)?

E.g.,

References regarding use in specific contexts:
=A0 text/html: [HTML5]
=A0 application/atom+xml: [RFC4287]

Yes, that sounds like a great idea. And vaguely familiar:

=A0http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009Ju= lSep/
0699.html

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--000e0cd290ba666775047835bebb-- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 12 17:59:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E373C3A698F for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:59:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.149, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IX3IvkIET7EE for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C003A683D for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAD1oSCl063431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAD1oSCI063429; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from chilco.textdrive.com (chilco.textdrive.com [207.7.108.242]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAD1oRpW063419 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bill@dehora.net) Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unknown [89.100.251.254]) by chilco.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD7DDEB8F; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4AFCBB59.3030905@dehora.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:50:17 +0000 From: Bill de hOra User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Salz CC: "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , Atom-Syntax Syntax , Hadrien Gardeur , Ian Hickson , HTTP Working Group , Joe Gregorio , Mark Nottingham , owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org, Sam Johnston Subject: Re: Input on request for link relation References: <8860AD10-B0C5-4BEF-8C68-731973EF4046@mac.com> <30ac519d0909101631m14782ce8vd085629237b0e444@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110445s78ea728cueb158ff588f394a5@mail.gmail.com> <404dcbd20909110500j5394c43dve10264c01a7a6244@mail.gmail.com> <21606dcf0909110617y40586e53x213e5e8febc4a9e8@mail.gmail.com> <0CB59F7B-A9DD-4866-8F70-A65869A79277@mnot.net> <21606dcf0909160246i56c1dc55l43631423a542c41a@mail.gmail.com> <2B6D770A-58C5-48D6-AF52-7341812C9BFA@mnot.net> <-2851311788142652426@unknownmsgid> <4AFC937E.8060500@dehora.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Richard Salz wrote: >> IOW allow the link registry to define rel scopes. The url or clash thing > >> sucks and I don't want someone rolling up with a curies/qnames or some >> other XML macrocrap proposal for Atom. > > Yeah, it would be a huge mistake to use something that's pretty much > already guaranteed to be part of your Atom infrastructure. Far better to > create yet another distributed naming scheme. It would be. HTML5 would probably be done by now if it wasn't for RDFa curies. Thanks for the sarcasm though, it amused me no end, although it's often more effective if you leave out the "Not" bit. Bill From atompub-archive@megatron.ietf.org Fri Nov 13 03:28:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450953A6A36 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:28:15 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char AE hex): From: VIAGRA \256 Reseller ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyj95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (dyj95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.22.121.95]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96213A67FA for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:28:12 -0800 (PST) From: VIAGRA ® Reseller To: atompub-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: Dear atompub-archive@megatron.ietf.org receive 80% OFF on Pfizer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20091113112812.D96213A67FA@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:28:12 -0800 (PST) Newsletter
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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 19 03:29:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC7C3A6924 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:29:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.322 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.322 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.276, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W4SNX+dk9COI for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2303A6870 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAJBLPBR099047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:21:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAJBLPia099045; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:21:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAJBLLww099032 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:21:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Nov 2009 11:21:20 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 19 Nov 2009 12:21:20 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18W7tpSzzsWFvxj0DfkN8xT0vjMgIvd+BdZFHgmL7 1jbY2NDkPF7n1z Message-ID: <4B052A2C.6090002@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:21:16 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-02.txt References: <20091119111502.1ED153A686C@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20091119111502.1ED153A686C@core3.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: (FYI) This draft defines five link relations that can be used to navigate between versions, editable resources and version histories. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 20 06:21:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38383A6946 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:21:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.292 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.292 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.246, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzD45SsMGQeP for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1D73A6AD3 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAKEDu4e094734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAKEDukw094733; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAKEDrd8094725 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Nov 2009 14:13:52 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 15:13:52 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/dQlIJf7Ldtok5C/6jqxqos2vgzekCqI6/kOM6Es ++UfCsE0kZIejh Message-ID: <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:13:46 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" CC: WebDAV Subject: last-calling I-D Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.58 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: (FYI) This update to yesterday's draft is purely editorial, moving each link relation into a proper subsection, and using the correct IANA registration template as defined per RFC 4287. 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Brown, et al. > Filename : draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2009-11-20 > > This specification defines Atom link relations for navigation between > a resource and its versions. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 20 06:24:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5412C3A6AD9 for ; 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U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" CC: WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.58 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NBUFl-0004vT-2h 80596c447d74ab7863c92a3b1056dcfc X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: last-calling I-D Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13176 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2009 14:16:04.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE81C930:01CA69EB] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: (FYI) This update to yesterday's draft is purely editorial, moving each link relation into a proper subsection, and using the correct IANA registration template as defined per RFC 4287. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 24 00:16:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC753A6B57 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:16:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HRzW8Amng8sJ for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F8D3A6867 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAO85SkX064260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAO85SQI064259; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:05:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout011.mac.com (asmtpout011.mac.com [17.148.16.86]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAO85NuT064252 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.100.190]) by asmtp011.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTL00CTYT49SG50@asmtp011.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> Subject: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:04:57 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julian, some comments on the link relation draft: 2. Terminology It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check in'. Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can only take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. However, a resource could also be versioned by the server upon any modification made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or 'checking in'. The link relations specified would still make sense. Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve these operations. This would at least involve another link relation and specification how to use the linked resource to perform a checkout. Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? Appendix A It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes up in almost every project. Thanks. Jan On Nov 20, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > (FYI) > > This update to yesterday's draft is purely editorial, moving each > link relation into a proper subsection, and using the correct IANA > registration template as defined per RFC 4287. > > At this point we'd like to ask the community for final feedback; we > are planning to request publication in two weeks from now (Dec 04). > > Best regards, > > Julian > > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> Title : Link Relations for Simple Version Navigation >> Author(s) : A. Brown, et al. >> Filename : draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03.txt >> Pages : 11 >> Date : 2009-11-20 >> This specification defines Atom link relations for navigation between >> a resource and its versions. >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03.txt >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> Internet-Draft. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 24 03:02:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CF43A6768 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:02:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.228, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAJKfcrHmJVr for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CED3A657C for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAOAstYN073522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAOAstUD073520; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:54:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAOAsm7x073510 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:54:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Nov 2009 10:54:46 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 11:54:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+YcAwmTVqY3DIq3K9wZaF0SmhOlCEoO2TepFF5Z4 tw12czTqtzdhTu Message-ID: <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:54:42 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.62 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Jan, first of all thanks for the feedback! Jan Algermissen wrote: > Julian, > > some comments on the link relation draft: > > 2. Terminology > > It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check in'. Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this work better with CMIS and JCR. > Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can only > take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. However, a > resource could also be versioned by the server upon any modification > made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or 'checking in'. The > link relations specified would still make sense. Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV versioning (through the various modes of auto-versioning). > Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on > resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve these > operations. This would at least involve another link relation and > specification how to use the linked resource to perform a checkout. These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which they are used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; thus I'd avoid to go that way. For now, I've added this to the issues list: . I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. > Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? > > Appendix A > > It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. Indeed. Thanks for catching this. > I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes up in > almost every project. Thanks. That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations doesn't make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 24 03:09:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4267F3A68C1 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.228, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OK1gOeW66pB6 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B093A6768 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAOB3FZ1074006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAOB3FSi074005; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail383c25.carrierzone.com (mail383c25.carrierzone.com [209.235.146.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAOB38cl073994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:03:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) X-Authenticated-User: master.tencoassemblies.com Received: from TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local (static-68-162-87-75.phil.east.verizon.net [68.162.87.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail383c25.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAOB35oH029443; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:03:06 GMT Received: from TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local ([10.0.0.2]) by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:00:10 -0500 Received: by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local (Microsoft Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 5.00.2195) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG11242009-060005-9759.MMD@TencoAssembliesInc.local; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:00:05 -0500 X-Envelope-From: w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by mail361c25.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAOAuiUo003727 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:56:46 -0500 Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NCt3P-0000Me-KJ for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:55:27 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NCt3O-0000Ly-Fj for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:55:26 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NCt3F-0007ch-Sk for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:55:21 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Nov 2009 10:54:46 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 11:54:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+YcAwmTVqY3DIq3K9wZaF0SmhOlCEoO2TepFF5Z4 tw12czTqtzdhTu Message-ID: <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:54:42 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.62 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NCt3F-0007ch-Sk 1e59886b5b5c6f97debb1657b1bc2183 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13185 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2009 11:00:10.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A2ED150:01CA6CF5] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Jan, first of all thanks for the feedback! Jan Algermissen wrote: > Julian, > > some comments on the link relation draft: > > 2. Terminology > > It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check in'. Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this work better with CMIS and JCR. > Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can only > take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. However, a > resource could also be versioned by the server upon any modification > made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or 'checking in'. The > link relations specified would still make sense. Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV versioning (through the various modes of auto-versioning). > Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on > resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve these > operations. This would at least involve another link relation and > specification how to use the linked resource to perform a checkout. These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which they are used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; thus I'd avoid to go that way. For now, I've added this to the issues list: . I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. > Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? > > Appendix A > > It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. Indeed. Thanks for catching this. > I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes up in > almost every project. Thanks. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 24 07:23:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984CE3A6991 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:23:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CM4hIOsWB4hN for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFA63A6A56 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAOFF8pi091037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAOFF8Nt091035; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eu1sys200aog107.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog107.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.123]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAOFEs4W091012 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:15:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from samj@samj.net) Received: from source ([209.85.222.173]) by eu1sys200aob107.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKSwv4buhODnMOHy4sNye7fSkfgWQ2rbVv@postini.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:15:05 UTC Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3so4742382pzk.20 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:14:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.158.7 with SMTP id g7mr376619rve.194.1259075693615; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:14:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:14:53 +0100 Message-ID: <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 From: Sam Johnston To: Julian Reschke Cc: Jan Algermissen , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2298a769aba04791f67e4 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --000e0cd2298a769aba04791f67e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Julian et al, It's probably worth taking a look at draft-johnston-addressing-link-relationsas well as it defines both "current" and "latest" as well as "canonical", "immutable", "mirror", "permalink" and my favourite, "shortlink". This has been adopted by Wordpress, Drupal & others with a view to bringing an end to third-party URL shortening services (the rust of the Internet). While I support link relations for versioning, I'd prefer to see relations for generic addressing requirements consolidated in one draft. Sam A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > Title : Link Relations for Addressing Author(s) : S. Johnston Filename : draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2009-09-20 > This specification defines link relations for a number of common styles of resource addressing (for example, linking to the latest vs a specific version of a resource). > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations-00.txt > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. < > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations-00.txt > > canonical Designates the preferred or standard way of writing the URL, or the "canonical form" (also known as "standard form" or "normal form"). While there can be an infinite number of references to identical or vastly similar resources (for example with different sort orders, highlighting or category information), specifying which one is "canonical" allows automated agents to avoid treating every such URL as unique. Search engines may use this to consolidate properties such as link popularity and display the preferred URL in search results, while other clients may identify, save and share the preferred version rather than the one they originally retrieved. current Identifies resource(s) which are occuring in or belonging to the present time, but may not necessarily be the single most recent or "latest" version specifically. For example an entry or page of a feed may identify the most recent entries in that feed using the "current" relation. immutable Refers to an immutable version of the link's context that is not subject or susceptible to change or variation. This may refer to a read-only resource, an archived copy of an otherwise dynamic resource, a specific version in a version control system, etc. This is in contrast to links which return the latest version of the resource at any given time. latest Refers to the single most recent version of the link's context, which may be updated at any time. As most URLs return the most recent version of the resource this relation is most useful with version control systems. For example, older versions of the resource may refer to the latest version. mirror Provides a rudimentary facility to specify one or more identical mirrors from which clients can obtain a resource. For example a large enclosure may be available for download from a number of different servers in different geographical locations in order to distribute server load, reduce network load and improve availability and performance. Link extensions for indicating geographical location, slots, bandwidth, preference, etc. may be defined in a future Internet-Draft. permalink Designates an immutable URL which is not subject or susceptible to change or variation even if the resource itself is updated. A portmanteau of "permanent" and "link", the relation allows clients to save and share a URL with the guarantee that it will resolve to that resource so long as it still exists. Typically the more information that is included in a link the more volatile it is likely to be. For example a link to a blog post that includes the title may change whenever the title is updated. Where "permalink" is specified such changes must not cause the designated URL to stop resolving or to resolve to another resource. Note: It is inappropriate to use the "bookmark" relation for this as it is "used to provide direct links to key entry points into an extended document" rather than as a reference to the resource itself. shortlink Designates one or more short link(s) which may be used in artificially (e.g. microblogging) or technically (e.g. short message service) constrained channels, or anywhere humans are required to transcribe a link (e.g. print, television and radio). This obviates the need to resort to third-party URL shortening services by allowing webmasters to centrally specify preferred short link(s) for use by all clients. For performance and security reasons the domain should match that of the canonical URL, unless a shorter domain is required/desired. Where more than one is specified the client may select one at random, offer the choice to the user, select the first, last or shortest one at random, or intelligently determine which is the most suitable for the purpose (for example, one with an alphabetical rather than numerical path). On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > Hi Jan, > > first of all thanks for the feedback! > > > Jan Algermissen wrote: > >> Julian, >> >> some comments on the link relation draft: >> >> > 2. Terminology > >> >> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check in'. >> > > Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the definitions > with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided later on to just > rely on generic definitions to make this work better with CMIS and JCR. > > > Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can only take >> place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. However, a resource could >> also be versioned by the server upon any modification made by a client >> regardless of any 'checking out' or 'checking in'. The link relations >> specified would still make sense. >> > > Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV versioning > (through the various modes of auto-versioning). > > > Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve these >> operations. This would at least involve another link relation and >> specification how to use the linked resource to perform a checkout. >> > > These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which they are > used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; thus I'd avoid to go > that way. > > For now, I've added this to the issues list: < > http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-issues.html#issue.checked-out>. > I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. > > > Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >> >> Appendix A >> >> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. >> > > Indeed. Thanks for catching this. > > > I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes up in >> almost every project. Thanks. >> > > That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations doesn't make > sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) > > Best regards, Julian > > --000e0cd2298a769aba04791f67e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Julian et al,

It's probably worth taking a look at <= a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-johnston-addressing-link-relatio= ns-00" target=3D"_blank">draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations as we= ll as it defines both "current" and "latest" as well as= "canonical", "immutable", "mirror", "pe= rmalink" and my favourite, "shortlink". This has been adopte= d by Wordpress, Drupal & others with a view to bringing an end to third= -party URL shortening services (the rust of the Internet).

While I support link relations for versioning, I'd = prefer to see relations for generic addressing requirements consolidated in= one draft.

Sam

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.

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This specification defines link relations for a number of common
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A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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Internet-Draft.
<ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-draft= s/draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations-00.txt>

canonical =A0Designates the preferred or standard way of writing the
<= div>=A0=A0 =A0URL, or the "canonical form" (also known as "s= tandard form" or
=A0=A0 =A0"normal form"). =A0Whil= e there can be an infinite number of
=A0=A0 =A0references to identical or vastly similar resources (for exa= mple
=A0=A0 =A0with different sort orders, highlighting or catego= ry information),
=A0=A0 =A0specifying which one is "canonica= l" allows automated agents to
=A0=A0 =A0avoid treating every such URL as unique. =A0Search engines m= ay use
=A0=A0 =A0this to consolidate properties such as link popu= larity and display
=A0=A0 =A0the preferred URL in search results,= while other clients may
=A0=A0 =A0identify, save and share the preferred version rather than t= he one
=A0=A0 =A0they originally retrieved.

<= div>=A0current =A0Identifies resource(s) which are occuring in or belonging= to
=A0=A0 =A0the present time, but may not necessarily be the single most
=A0=A0 =A0recent or "latest" version specifically. =A0For e= xample an entry or
=A0=A0 =A0page of a feed may identify the most= recent entries in that feed
=A0=A0 =A0using the "current" relation.

=
=A0immutable =A0Refers to an immutable version of the link's conte= xt that
=A0=A0 =A0is not subject or susceptible to change or vari= ation. =A0This may
=A0=A0 =A0refer to a read-only resource, an archived copy of an otherw= ise
=A0=A0 =A0dynamic resource, a specific version in a version c= ontrol system,
=A0=A0 =A0etc. =A0This is in contrast to links whi= ch return the latest version
=A0=A0 =A0of the resource at any given time.

= =A0latest =A0Refers to the single most recent version of the link's
=A0=A0 =A0context, which may be updated at any time. =A0As most URLs= return
=A0=A0 =A0the most recent version of the resource this relation is most
=A0=A0 =A0useful with version control systems. =A0For example, older= versions
=A0=A0 =A0of the resource may refer to the latest versi= on.

mirror =A0Provides a rudimentary facility to specify one or= more
=A0=A0 identical mirrors from which clients can obtain a re= source. =A0For
=A0=A0 example a large enclosure may be available = for download from a
=A0=A0 number of different servers in different geographical locations= in
=A0=A0 order to distribute server load, reduce network load a= nd improve
=A0=A0 availability and performance. =A0Link extension= s for indicating
=A0=A0 geographical location, slots, bandwidth, preference, etc. may b= e
=A0=A0 defined in a future Internet-Draft.

=
permalink =A0Designates an immutable URL which is not subject or
=
=A0=A0 susceptible to change or variation even if the resource itself = is
=A0=A0 updated. =A0A portmanteau of "permanent" and "li= nk", the relation
=A0=A0 allows clients to save and share a = URL with the guarantee that it
=A0=A0 will resolve to that resour= ce so long as it still exists.
=A0=A0 Typically the more information that is included in a link the m= ore
=A0=A0 volatile it is likely to be. =A0For example a link to = a blog post
=A0=A0 that includes the title may change whenever th= e title is updated.
=A0=A0 Where "permalink" is specified such changes must not = cause the
=A0=A0 designated URL to stop resolving or to resolve t= o another
=A0=A0 resource.

=A0=A0 Note: = It is inappropriate to use the "bookmark" relation for this
=A0=A0 as it is "used to provide direct links to key entry points= into an
=A0=A0 extended document" rather than as a referenc= e to the resource
=A0=A0 itself.

shortli= nk =A0Designates one or more short link(s) which may be used in
=A0=A0 artificially (e.g. microblogging) or technically (e.g. short
=A0=A0 message service) constrained channels, or anywhere humans ar= e
=A0=A0 required to transcribe a link (e.g. print, television an= d radio).
=A0=A0 This obviates the need to resort to third-party URL shortening<= /div>
=A0=A0 services by allowing webmasters to centrally specify prefe= rred
=A0=A0 short link(s) for use by all clients. =A0For performa= nce and
=A0=A0 security reasons the domain should match that of the canonical<= /div>
=A0=A0 URL, unless a shorter domain is required/desired. =A0Where= more than
=A0=A0 one is specified the client may select one at r= andom, offer the
=A0=A0 choice to the user, select the first, last or shortest one at
=A0=A0 random, or intelligently determine which is the most suitab= le for
=A0=A0 the purpose (for example, one with an alphabetical = rather than
=A0=A0 numerical path).

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx= .de> wrote:

Hi Jan,

first of all thanks for the feedback!


Jan Algermissen wrote:
Julian,

some comments on the link relation draft:

> 2. Terminology

It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'che= ck in'.

Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the definitions w= ith RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided later on to just rel= y on generic definitions to make this work better with CMIS and JCR.


Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can only take p= lace when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. However, = a resource could also be versioned by the server upon any modification made= by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or 'checking in&#= 39;. The link relations specified would still make sense.

Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV versioning = (through the various modes of auto-versioning).


Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operatio= ns on resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve these= operations. This would at least involve another link relation and specific= ation how to use the linked resource to perform a checkout.

These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which they are us= ed, while the link relations are meant to be generic; thus I'd avoid to= go that way.

For now, I've added this to the issues list: <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-br= own-versioning-link-relations-issues.html#issue.checked-out>. I'= ll try to make a change proposal soonish.


Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do?

Appendix A

It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'.<= br>

Indeed. Thanks for catching this.


I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes up in alm= ost every project. Thanks.

That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations doesn'= t make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-)

Best regards, Julian


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26 Nov 2009 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp048) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 14:29:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19u5mwJ0C5uvj3fMe2fDXmV0p/PT6XZxrIqvyA8Ue tKsm4Fk8K0Qfqz Message-ID: <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:29:40 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NDeQP-0000cF-1Z 2ba37e63821fc33a96234728c5c25a33 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13188 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 13:30:12.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[9510F330:01CA6E9C] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan, here's my proposal for the checkin/checkout issue you raised (see ): 1) Do not specify *how* to checkin/checkout; this really depends on the protocol, and might not be the same for different AtomPub stacks (and definitively not for WebDAV). However, the link relations that we do defined are supposed to be general-purpose, and to be usable outside the Atom space (in-line with Mark's "Web Linking" proposal). 2) For the definition of checkin/checkout and the point you raised, how about changing the explanation of "versioned resource" from: "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned resource". A versioned resource can be "checked out" to allow modification." to "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may happen implicitly." Best regards, Julian Julian Reschke wrote: > > Hi Jan, > > first of all thanks for the feedback! > > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Julian, >> >> some comments on the link relation draft: >> > > 2. Terminology >> >> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check in'. > > Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the > definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided > later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this work better > with CMIS and JCR. > >> Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can only >> take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. However, a >> resource could also be versioned by the server upon any modification >> made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or 'checking in'. >> The link relations specified would still make sense. > > Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV versioning > (through the various modes of auto-versioning). > >> Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve these >> operations. This would at least involve another link relation and >> specification how to use the linked resource to perform a checkout. > > These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which they are > used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; thus I'd avoid > to go that way. > > For now, I've added this to the issues list: > . > I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. > >> Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >> >> Appendix A >> >> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. > > Indeed. Thanks for catching this. > >> I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes up >> in almost every project. Thanks. > > That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations doesn't > make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) > > Best regards, Julian > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 05:47:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422CE3A6925 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:47:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.171, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pgEI+zz7oBmJ for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4409C3A6894 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQDTvwm038706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQDTviH038705; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:29:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAQDTpN8038695 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:29:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2009 13:29:49 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp048) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 14:29:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19u5mwJ0C5uvj3fMe2fDXmV0p/PT6XZxrIqvyA8Ue tKsm4Fk8K0Qfqz Message-ID: <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:29:40 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan, here's my proposal for the checkin/checkout issue you raised (see ): 1) Do not specify *how* to checkin/checkout; this really depends on the protocol, and might not be the same for different AtomPub stacks (and definitively not for WebDAV). However, the link relations that we do defined are supposed to be general-purpose, and to be usable outside the Atom space (in-line with Mark's "Web Linking" proposal). 2) For the definition of checkin/checkout and the point you raised, how about changing the explanation of "versioned resource" from: "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned resource". A versioned resource can be "checked out" to allow modification." to "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may happen implicitly." Best regards, Julian Julian Reschke wrote: > > Hi Jan, > > first of all thanks for the feedback! > > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Julian, >> >> some comments on the link relation draft: >> > > 2. Terminology >> >> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check in'. > > Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the > definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided > later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this work better > with CMIS and JCR. > >> Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can only >> take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. However, a >> resource could also be versioned by the server upon any modification >> made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or 'checking in'. >> The link relations specified would still make sense. > > Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV versioning > (through the various modes of auto-versioning). > >> Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve these >> operations. This would at least involve another link relation and >> specification how to use the linked resource to perform a checkout. > > These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which they are > used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; thus I'd avoid > to go that way. > > For now, I've added this to the issues list: > . > I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. > >> Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >> >> Appendix A >> >> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. > > Indeed. Thanks for catching this. > >> I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes up >> in almost every project. Thanks. > > That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations doesn't > make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) > > Best regards, Julian > From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 07:32:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946153A68B0 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:32:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.564 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.518, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtdj2a6+og1M for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE143A685E for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFNgKo046230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQFNgih046229; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:23:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com (asmtpout022.mac.com [17.148.16.97]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFNfWO046223 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:23:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00E812RCP880@asmtp022.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:23:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:23:36 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan, > > here's my proposal for the checkin/checkout issue you raised (see >): > > 1) Do not specify *how* to checkin/checkout; this really depends on > the protocol, and might not be the same for different AtomPub stacks > (and definitively not for WebDAV). However, the link relations that > we do defined are supposed to be general-purpose, and to be usable > outside the Atom space (in-line with Mark's "Web Linking" proposal). > > 2) For the definition of checkin/checkout and the point you raised, > how about changing the explanation of "versioned resource" from: > > "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a > "versioned resource". A versioned resource can be "checked out" to > allow modification." > > to > > "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a > "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from > modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a > "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation > to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow > modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may > happen implicitly." > (Sorry if this is confusing matters, but...) I am not sure that the notion of a 'versioned resource' is necessary at all. If the draft defined 'version' instead the whole checkin/ checkout notion could be dropped. 'Working Copy' could be defined separately as a resource that is an 'private copy' of a resource, one whose URI is not made available to any client except upon initial creation (sorry that this is so imprecise - I hope you get the idea). IWO, the draft somehow circles around the checkin/checkout operations and I am not sure that is necessary. (But if this sounds completely insane, just ignore it) Jan > Best regards, Julian > > > > Julian Reschke wrote: >> Hi Jan, >> first of all thanks for the feedback! >> Jan Algermissen wrote: >>> Julian, >>> >>> some comments on the link relation draft: >>> >> > 2. Terminology >>> >>> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check >>> in'. >> Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the >> definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided >> later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this work >> better with CMIS and JCR. >>> Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can >>> only take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. >>> However, a resource could also be versioned by the server upon any >>> modification made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or >>> 'checking in'. The link relations specified would still make sense. >> Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV >> versioning (through the various modes of auto-versioning). >>> Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >>> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve >>> these operations. This would at least involve another link >>> relation and specification how to use the linked resource to >>> perform a checkout. >> These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which >> they are used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; >> thus I'd avoid to go that way. >> For now, I've added this to the issues list: > >. I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. >>> Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >>> >>> Appendix A >>> >>> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. >> Indeed. Thanks for catching this. >>> I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes >>> up in almost every project. Thanks. >> That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations >> doesn't make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) >> Best regards, Julian > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 07:33:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0843A680B for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.332 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.332 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.286, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJ52ji0RI-MX for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4871D3A63C9 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFR2wl046370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQFR2o3046369; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAQFR0oX046362 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:27:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2009 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:26:59 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19K1zFEPkFKO4X4Heu80iMFchkt/kSlgvtDTNjUmz yie9BXs52TsNTH Message-ID: <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:26:51 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > (Sorry if this is confusing matters, but...) > I am not sure that the notion of a 'versioned resource' is necessary at > all. If the draft defined 'version' instead the whole checkin/checkout > notion could be dropped. The reason for making the distinction is that in many systems, versions and versionable resources are different things (for instance, in JCR and WebDAV). > 'Working Copy' could be defined separately as a resource that is an > 'private copy' of a resource, one whose URI is not made available to any > client except upon initial creation (sorry that this is so imprecise - I > hope you get the idea). The URI of a working copy may not be private at all. ...it's really to hard to come up with terminology that is compatible with many different system. > IWO, the draft somehow circles around the checkin/checkout operations > and I am not sure that is necessary. > > (But if this sounds completely insane, just ignore it) No, I'm listening; and hoping for more feedback... BR, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 07:37:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400D43A68B4 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:37:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.324 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.278, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKy-yi0+uKu5 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8153A680B for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFUdIE046718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQFUd0A046717; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:30:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAQFUbQg046711 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2009 15:30:36 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:30:36 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/fKcFVqzbfJQuhso/4MIqt+8p94PQS2jTqVmKh5R mlZ6GU27zcSXMS Message-ID: <4B0E9F14.807@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:30:28 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Johnston CC: Jan Algermissen , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Sam Johnston wrote: > Julian et al, > > It's probably worth taking a look at > draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations > > as well as it defines both "current" and "latest" as well as > "canonical", "immutable", "mirror", "permalink" and my favourite, > "shortlink". This has been adopted by Wordpress, Drupal & others with a > view to bringing an end to third-party URL shortening services (the rust > of the Internet). > > While I support link relations for versioning, I'd prefer to see > relations for generic addressing requirements consolidated in one draft. > > Sam > ... Hi Sam, I'm not convinced that throwing everything into a single document will be helpful; draft-brown-versioning-link-relations tries to focus on a small set of things, and, as Jan's feedback shows, it's non-trivial to get even those things right. Do you have any *specific* comments with respect to the relations that it proposes? Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 07:40:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54663A682E for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:40:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.324 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.278, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o+AskBmz85Se for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63563A65A5 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFXL3t046872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); 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26 Nov 2009 15:30:36 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:30:36 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/fKcFVqzbfJQuhso/4MIqt+8p94PQS2jTqVmKh5R mlZ6GU27zcSXMS Message-ID: <4B0E9F14.807@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:30:28 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Johnston CC: Jan Algermissen , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NDgJI-00016s-TL c139acabc64b64e83ff76578f88d16d5 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13190 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 15:30:13.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[58DC9890:01CA6EAD] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Sam Johnston wrote: > Julian et al, > > It's probably worth taking a look at > draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations > > as well as it defines both "current" and "latest" as well as > "canonical", "immutable", "mirror", "permalink" and my favourite, > "shortlink". This has been adopted by Wordpress, Drupal & others with a > view to bringing an end to third-party URL shortening services (the rust > of the Internet). > > While I support link relations for versioning, I'd prefer to see > relations for generic addressing requirements consolidated in one draft. > > Sam > ... Hi Sam, I'm not convinced that throwing everything into a single document will be helpful; draft-brown-versioning-link-relations tries to focus on a small set of things, and, as Jan's feedback shows, it's non-trivial to get even those things right. Do you have any *specific* comments with respect to the relations that it proposes? Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 07:40:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E793A6A28 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:40:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.332 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.332 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.286, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b7gPSw72FR-h for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53AD3A69C0 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFXMxG046881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); 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26 Nov 2009 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:26:59 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19K1zFEPkFKO4X4Heu80iMFchkt/kSlgvtDTNjUmz yie9BXs52TsNTH Message-ID: <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:26:51 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NDgFm-0006RH-Tl 7923c1de8a2af6f06caab9ae89b9180c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13189 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 15:30:13.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[58BD77D0:01CA6EAD] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > (Sorry if this is confusing matters, but...) > I am not sure that the notion of a 'versioned resource' is necessary at > all. If the draft defined 'version' instead the whole checkin/checkout > notion could be dropped. The reason for making the distinction is that in many systems, versions and versionable resources are different things (for instance, in JCR and WebDAV). > 'Working Copy' could be defined separately as a resource that is an > 'private copy' of a resource, one whose URI is not made available to any > client except upon initial creation (sorry that this is so imprecise - I > hope you get the idea). The URI of a working copy may not be private at all. ...it's really to hard to come up with terminology that is compatible with many different system. > IWO, the draft somehow circles around the checkin/checkout operations > and I am not sure that is necessary. > > (But if this sounds completely insane, just ignore it) No, I'm listening; and hoping for more feedback... BR, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 07:50:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DF13A67FD for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.366, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gczFRWTSMhXu for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1463A63C9 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFhSok047447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQFhSeX047446; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com (asmtpout022.mac.com [17.148.16.97]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFhSBk047440 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00JK13OBLM40@asmtp022.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:43:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:43:23 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> (Sorry if this is confusing matters, but...) >> I am not sure that the notion of a 'versioned resource' is >> necessary at all. If the draft defined 'version' instead the whole >> checkin/checkout notion could be dropped. > > The reason for making the distinction is that in many systems, > versions and versionable resources are different things (for > instance, in JCR and WebDAV). > >> 'Working Copy' could be defined separately as a resource that is an >> 'private copy' of a resource, one whose URI is not made available >> to any client except upon initial creation (sorry that this is so >> imprecise - I hope you get the idea). > > The URI of a working copy may not be private at all. > > ...it's really to hard to come up with terminology that is > compatible with many different system. Do you have a (rough) set of use cases (IOW: client goals) that are to be enabled by the link relations? Along the lines: "Client needs to find a working-copy" => link rel working-copy enables that I have come to approach "hypermedia semantics" (media types, link relations, etc.) in terms of the goals they enable. Turning this around would mean: if something does not support a specific (probably very tiny) goal it should not be there. Yes, versions and versionable resources can be different but is the distinction necessary for enabling the goals of the draft? Stressing the point for analysis purposes: "There is nothing a client cannot do when it does not understand the notion of 'versioned resource'". Jan > >> IWO, the draft somehow circles around the checkin/checkout >> operations and I am not sure that is necessary. >> (But if this sounds completely insane, just ignore it) > > No, I'm listening; and hoping for more feedback... > > BR, Julian -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 07:50:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784B83A67FD for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:50:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5rnP1ts6-gfu for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB943A63C9 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFcK9o047134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQFcKdb047133; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:38:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eu1sys200aog105.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog105.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.119]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAQFcFfu047121 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:38:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from samj@samj.net) Received: from source ([209.85.216.191]) by eu1sys200aob105.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKSw6g5vE7/AGuZrXS+iZu0zu1e9f2xmGF@postini.com; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:38:19 UTC Received: by pxi29 with SMTP id 29so573333pxi.1 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:38:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.23.5 with SMTP id a5mr542952rvj.108.1259249894157; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:38:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B0E9F14.807@gmx.de> References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> <4B0E9F14.807@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:38:14 +0100 Message-ID: <21606dcf0911260738o53d4811ch7bfc9baf994eacd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 From: Sam Johnston To: Julian Reschke Cc: Jan Algermissen , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1b7b89feee0047947f6ad Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --000e0cd1b7b89feee0047947f6ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Hi Sam, > > I'm not convinced that throwing everything into a single document will be > helpful; draft-brown-versioning-link-relations tries to focus on a small set > of things, and, as Jan's feedback shows, it's non-trivial to get even those > things right. > I'm not suggesting throwing everything in one document - just keeping addressing (permalinks, shortlinks, etc.) separate from versioning. It may well make more sense to drop relations from draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations if they are more about versioning than addressing. > Do you have any *specific* comments with respect to the relations that it > proposes? My first thoughts were that the relations themselves could be more concise: - version-history -> versions, history or revisions - latest-version -> latest - working-copy -> ok - predecessor-version -> predecessor or previous-version or prev-version (which is it, prev or previous - I think there's some ambiguity here) - successor-version -> successor or next-version I also wonder whether it makes sense to offer links to "native" revision control (e.g. hg, git, svn, etc.) and/or web interfaces to them - and then specifics like branches and tags, and what a URI/URL to a branch/tag would even look like. Sam --000e0cd1b7b89feee0047947f6ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wr= ote:
Hi Sam,

I'm not convinced that throwing everything into a single document will = be helpful; draft-brown-versioning-link-relations tries to focus on a small= set of things, and, as Jan's feedback shows, it's non-trivial to g= et even those things right.

I'm not suggesting throwing everything= in one document - just keeping addressing (permalinks, shortlinks, etc.) s= eparate from versioning. It may well make more sense to drop relations from= draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations if they are more about versioning= than addressing.
=A0
Do you have any *specific* comments with respect to the relations that it p= roposes?

My first thoughts were that the re= lations themselves could be more concise:
  • version-history= -> versions, history or revisions
  • latest-version -> latest
  • working-copy -> ok
  • prede= cessor-version -> predecessor or previous-version or prev-version (which= is it, prev or previous - I think there's some ambiguity here)
  • successor-version -> successor or next-version
I= also wonder whether it makes sense to offer links to "native" re= vision control (e.g. hg, git, svn, etc.) and/or web interfaces to them - an= d then specifics like branches and tags, and what a URI/URL to a branch/tag= would even look like.

Sam

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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00JK13OBLM40@asmtp022.mac.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:43:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:43:23 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NDgVj-0003y4-83 ed828fe546809f6ba9fe155eae151dd3 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13191 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 15:45:11.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[7068D0D0:01CA6EAF] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> (Sorry if this is confusing matters, but...) >> I am not sure that the notion of a 'versioned resource' is >> necessary at all. If the draft defined 'version' instead the whole >> checkin/checkout notion could be dropped. > > The reason for making the distinction is that in many systems, > versions and versionable resources are different things (for > instance, in JCR and WebDAV). > >> 'Working Copy' could be defined separately as a resource that is an >> 'private copy' of a resource, one whose URI is not made available >> to any client except upon initial creation (sorry that this is so >> imprecise - I hope you get the idea). > > The URI of a working copy may not be private at all. > > ...it's really to hard to come up with terminology that is > compatible with many different system. Do you have a (rough) set of use cases (IOW: client goals) that are to be enabled by the link relations? Along the lines: "Client needs to find a working-copy" => link rel working-copy enables that I have come to approach "hypermedia semantics" (media types, link relations, etc.) in terms of the goals they enable. Turning this around would mean: if something does not support a specific (probably very tiny) goal it should not be there. Yes, versions and versionable resources can be different but is the distinction necessary for enabling the goals of the draft? Stressing the point for analysis purposes: "There is nothing a client cannot do when it does not understand the notion of 'versioned resource'". Jan > >> IWO, the draft somehow circles around the checkin/checkout >> operations and I am not sure that is necessary. >> (But if this sounds completely insane, just ignore it) > > No, I'm listening; and hoping for more feedback... > > BR, Julian -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:06:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C5B3A6A63 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:06:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.374, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id epIfzTXynJtr for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005C33A6A5A for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFpTWP047908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:51:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQFpTxb047907; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAQFpRlM047893 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:51:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2009 15:51:27 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:51:27 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19QiNMWKl9QDHJdnykNYWjkR6nnm64TEmeofhqcIj L1VJf2Gkfag+Kl Message-ID: <4B0EA3F7.3010307@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:51:19 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > Do you have a (rough) set of use cases (IOW: client goals) that are to > be enabled by the link relations? > > Along the lines: "Client needs to find a working-copy" => link rel > working-copy enables that These use cases mainly come from CMIS (content management over AtomPub); and the main reason these aren't mentioned in the spec is that we wanted to avoid a circular spec reference. See . > ... An alternative would be not to use the terminology around checkin/checkout at all. I'll give that a try. Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:10:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4AD3A6A35 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:10:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.41 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.364, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kY3sj2Da3TAG for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6893A68CE for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQG3NWK048560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); 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26 Nov 2009 15:58:45 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:58:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19xW3wr2Dxx48dDvd0pcs/XhK3l8dIYD44NXbrMHT omwUhNmP+GHKmL Message-ID: <4B0EA5AD.2090709@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:58:37 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Johnston CC: Jan Algermissen , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> <4B0E9F14.807@gmx.de> <21606dcf0911260738o53d4811ch7bfc9baf994eacd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <21606dcf0911260738o53d4811ch7bfc9baf994eacd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NDgkX-0007vu-SB f873ba53b0d3a63fdc961e816d3653ee X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13194 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 16:00:15.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B030C60:01CA6EB1] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Sam Johnston wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Julian Reschke > wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > I'm not convinced that throwing everything into a single document > will be helpful; draft-brown-versioning-link-relations tries to > focus on a small set of things, and, as Jan's feedback shows, it's > non-trivial to get even those things right. > > > I'm not suggesting throwing everything in one document - just keeping > addressing (permalinks, shortlinks, etc.) separate from versioning. It > may well make more sense to drop relations from > draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations if they are more about > versioning than addressing. OK, thanks for clarifying. > Do you have any *specific* comments with respect to the relations > that it proposes? > > > My first thoughts were that the relations themselves could be more concise: I don't think that it's essential to make these short names even shorter. The terms we currently use are in sync with some specs related to versioning. > * version-history -> versions, history or revisions > * latest-version -> latest > * working-copy -> ok > * predecessor-version -> predecessor or previous-version or > prev-version (which is it, prev or previous - I think there's some > ambiguity here) > * successor-version -> successor or next-version I think the suffix "-version" is important because there can be many other similar relations providing "prex/next/last", which have nothing to do with versioning. > I also wonder whether it makes sense to offer links to "native" revision > control (e.g. hg, git, svn, etc.) and/or web interfaces to them - and > then specifics like branches and tags, and what a URI/URL to a > branch/tag would even look like. That's an interesting thought, but appears to be a much more complex problem that the one we wanted to solve here. Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:11:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725523A6A35 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.374, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xy9wON1Sm6F4 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA953A685D for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQG3Mwe048550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); 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26 Nov 2009 15:51:27 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:51:27 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19QiNMWKl9QDHJdnykNYWjkR6nnm64TEmeofhqcIj L1VJf2Gkfag+Kl Message-ID: <4B0EA3F7.3010307@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:51:19 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NDgdS-0005lQ-Hj 1237d347c3fa28f38c7a32b5004e0f6c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13193 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 16:00:15.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AF96F70:01CA6EB1] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > Do you have a (rough) set of use cases (IOW: client goals) that are to > be enabled by the link relations? > > Along the lines: "Client needs to find a working-copy" => link rel > working-copy enables that These use cases mainly come from CMIS (content management over AtomPub); and the main reason these aren't mentioned in the spec is that we wanted to avoid a circular spec reference. See . > ... An alternative would be not to use the terminology around checkin/checkout at all. I'll give that a try. Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:13:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FAA3A6996 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:13:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.41 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.364, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jYNsg+laHr5Y for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFA23A68CE for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQFwmTB048298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQFwmg5048297; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:58:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAQFwk1g048291 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:58:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2009 15:58:45 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 16:58:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19xW3wr2Dxx48dDvd0pcs/XhK3l8dIYD44NXbrMHT omwUhNmP+GHKmL Message-ID: <4B0EA5AD.2090709@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:58:37 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Johnston CC: Jan Algermissen , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <21606dcf0911240714h7921008egd14f923f474c1483@mail.gmail.com> <4B0E9F14.807@gmx.de> <21606dcf0911260738o53d4811ch7bfc9baf994eacd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <21606dcf0911260738o53d4811ch7bfc9baf994eacd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Sam Johnston wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Julian Reschke > wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > I'm not convinced that throwing everything into a single document > will be helpful; draft-brown-versioning-link-relations tries to > focus on a small set of things, and, as Jan's feedback shows, it's > non-trivial to get even those things right. > > > I'm not suggesting throwing everything in one document - just keeping > addressing (permalinks, shortlinks, etc.) separate from versioning. It > may well make more sense to drop relations from > draft-johnston-addressing-link-relations if they are more about > versioning than addressing. OK, thanks for clarifying. > Do you have any *specific* comments with respect to the relations > that it proposes? > > > My first thoughts were that the relations themselves could be more concise: I don't think that it's essential to make these short names even shorter. The terms we currently use are in sync with some specs related to versioning. > * version-history -> versions, history or revisions > * latest-version -> latest > * working-copy -> ok > * predecessor-version -> predecessor or previous-version or > prev-version (which is it, prev or previous - I think there's some > ambiguity here) > * successor-version -> successor or next-version I think the suffix "-version" is important because there can be many other similar relations providing "prex/next/last", which have nothing to do with versioning. > I also wonder whether it makes sense to offer links to "native" revision > control (e.g. hg, git, svn, etc.) and/or web interfaces to them - and > then specifics like branches and tags, and what a URI/URL to a > branch/tag would even look like. That's an interesting thought, but appears to be a much more complex problem that the one we wanted to solve here. Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:21:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EC13A6AAF for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:21:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.138, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSpvhZfo-4qh for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45E03A6A9B for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQG8QDM048881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQG8QYk048880; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout015.mac.com (asmtpout015.mac.com [17.148.16.90]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQG8J1G048872 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp015.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00KVA4TRL600@asmtp015.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:08:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0EA3F7.3010307@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:08:14 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> <4B0EA3F7.3010307@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Do you have a (rough) set of use cases (IOW: client goals) that are >> to be enabled by the link relations? >> Along the lines: "Client needs to find a working-copy" => link rel >> working-copy enables that > > These use cases mainly come from CMIS (content management over > AtomPub); and the main reason these aren't mentioned in the spec is > that we wanted to avoid a circular spec reference. > > See >. > >> ... > > An alternative would be not to use the terminology around checkin/ > checkout at all. I'll give that a try. Reading your reference, I think that the important semantic is that updating a working-copy does not produce a version, IOW, that, in order to create a new version from a working-draft the draft must be checked in. Hence, the notion of check-in is definitely necessary. The actual operation is othogonal (could be a CHECK-IN method or a standard HTTP 1.1 request to a resource that has the appropriate semantics) but the general notion is fundamental to the idea of a working-copy. check-out I think could be dropped because when I know that something is a working-copy it is by definition checked out. ... well then, the notion of check-in implies the notion of check-out, so both are a vital part in the end. Jan > > Best regards, Julian -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:26:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E124D3A6A9B for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:26:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.242, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GzEC351o1QUx for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA693A6861 for ; 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Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:18:19 GMT Received: from TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local ([10.0.0.2]) by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:15:15 -0500 Received: by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local (Microsoft Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 5.00.2195) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG11262009-111508-10309.MMD@TencoAssembliesInc.local; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:15:08 -0500 X-Envelope-From: w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by mail361c25.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAQG9LkB012589 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:09:23 -0500 Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NDgtq-0000g5-B8 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:08:54 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NDgtp-0000fP-Mu for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:08:53 +0000 Received: from asmtpout015.mac.com ([17.148.16.90]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NDgtn-0003aO-Jy for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:08:53 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp015.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00KVA4TRL600@asmtp015.mac.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:08:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0EA3F7.3010307@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:08:14 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <07B7D37B-9EEF-43ED-AFA4-751F9084B78E@mac.com> <4B0E9E3B.3040900@gmx.de> <4B0EA3F7.3010307@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NDgtn-0003aO-Jy cc0da9df14df800d928eeb0e8f1396ac X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13195 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 16:15:15.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[A371B560:01CA6EB3] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Do you have a (rough) set of use cases (IOW: client goals) that are >> to be enabled by the link relations? >> Along the lines: "Client needs to find a working-copy" => link rel >> working-copy enables that > > These use cases mainly come from CMIS (content management over > AtomPub); and the main reason these aren't mentioned in the spec is > that we wanted to avoid a circular spec reference. > > See >. > >> ... > > An alternative would be not to use the terminology around checkin/ > checkout at all. I'll give that a try. Reading your reference, I think that the important semantic is that updating a working-copy does not produce a version, IOW, that, in order to create a new version from a working-draft the draft must be checked in. Hence, the notion of check-in is definitely necessary. The actual operation is othogonal (could be a CHECK-IN method or a standard HTTP 1.1 request to a resource that has the appropriate semantics) but the general notion is fundamental to the idea of a working-copy. check-out I think could be dropped because when I know that something is a working-copy it is by definition checked out. ... well then, the notion of check-in implies the notion of check-out, so both are a vital part in the end. Jan > > Best regards, Julian -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:29:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7561E3A6964 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:29:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.138, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1RkkQ9amDkFX for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558B03A6861 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQGLpYJ049862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQGLpDd049861; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com (asmtpout022.mac.com [17.148.16.97]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQGLp9Y049855 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00I6Y5GBS690@asmtp022.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:21:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:21:46 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a > "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from > modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a > "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation > to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow > modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may > happen implicitly." > > When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a > "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from > modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a > "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation > to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow > modification and perfrom versioning without requiring an explicit > checkout operation. I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above wording isn't suitable also. Jan > Best regards, Julian > > > > Julian Reschke wrote: >> Hi Jan, >> first of all thanks for the feedback! >> Jan Algermissen wrote: >>> Julian, >>> >>> some comments on the link relation draft: >>> >> > 2. Terminology >>> >>> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check >>> in'. >> Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the >> definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided >> later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this work >> better with CMIS and JCR. >>> Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can >>> only take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. >>> However, a resource could also be versioned by the server upon any >>> modification made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or >>> 'checking in'. The link relations specified would still make sense. >> Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV >> versioning (through the various modes of auto-versioning). >>> Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >>> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve >>> these operations. This would at least involve another link >>> relation and specification how to use the linked resource to >>> perform a checkout. >> These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which >> they are used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; >> thus I'd avoid to go that way. >> For now, I've added this to the issues list: > >. I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. >>> Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >>> >>> Appendix A >>> >>> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. >> Indeed. Thanks for catching this. >>> I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes >>> up in almost every project. Thanks. >> That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations >> doesn't make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) >> Best regards, Julian > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:32:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9563A6996 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:32:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j6cOsXLbr30r for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E293A6978 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQGPDCs050069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQGPDpF050068; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com (asmtpout022.mac.com [17.148.16.97]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQGPCgL050062 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00J6W5LVLM80@asmtp022.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:25:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: Julian Reschke , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> From: Jan Algermissen To: Jan Algermissen In-reply-to: Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:25:06 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Jan Algermissen wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> >> "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a >> "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from >> modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a >> "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation >> to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow >> modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may >> happen implicitly." >> > Forgot to insert: What about: >> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a >> "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from >> modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a >> "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation >> to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow >> modification and perfrom versioning without requiring an explicit >> checkout operation. > > > I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out > working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above > wording isn't suitable also. > > Jan > Sorry, Jan > >> Best regards, Julian >> >> >> >> Julian Reschke wrote: >>> Hi Jan, >>> first of all thanks for the feedback! >>> Jan Algermissen wrote: >>>> Julian, >>>> >>>> some comments on the link relation draft: >>>> >>> > 2. Terminology >>>> >>>> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check >>>> in'. >>> Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the >>> definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on >>> decided later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this >>> work better with CMIS and JCR. >>>> Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can >>>> only take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. >>>> However, a resource could also be versioned by the server upon >>>> any modification made by a client regardless of any 'checking >>>> out' or 'checking in'. The link relations specified would still >>>> make sense. >>> Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV >>> versioning (through the various modes of auto-versioning). >>>> Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >>>> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve >>>> these operations. This would at least involve another link >>>> relation and specification how to use the linked resource to >>>> perform a checkout. >>> These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which >>> they are used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; >>> thus I'd avoid to go that way. >>> For now, I've added this to the issues list: >> >. I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. >>>> Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >>>> >>>> Appendix A >>>> >>>> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. >>> Indeed. Thanks for catching this. >>>> I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes >>>> up in almost every project. Thanks. >>> That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations >>> doesn't make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) >>> Best regards, Julian >> > > -------------------------------------- > Jan Algermissen > > Mail: algermissen@acm.org > Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ > Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com > -------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:38:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29C13A6818 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:38:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.401, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W5rLKlulN+80 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04E63A6851 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQGVEht050382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQGVEHL050381; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAQGV9OY050372 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2009 16:31:09 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 17:31:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19CbrdJUDtCnkZ3dZAgFEmnqTEVkPbTGfzVgTg21O IhdqV4urZ3f7uQ Message-ID: <4B0EAD43.1050304@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:30:59 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> >> "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned >> resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from modifications >> by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a "checkout" >> operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation to go back to >> the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow modification, in which >> case the checkout/checkin operation may happen implicitly." >> > >> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned >> resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from modifications >> by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a "checkout" >> operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation to go back to >> the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow modification and perfrom >> versioning without requiring an explicit checkout operation. > > > I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out > working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above wording > isn't suitable also. > ... For now I have applied my change proposal in , but that doesn't mean we can't spend some more time with wordsmithing :-) BR, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:40:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBE03A6851 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:40:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.401, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Co-usNw9tcFm for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195FC3A6818 for ; 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Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:31:42 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2009 16:31:09 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 17:31:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19CbrdJUDtCnkZ3dZAgFEmnqTEVkPbTGfzVgTg21O IhdqV4urZ3f7uQ Message-ID: <4B0EAD43.1050304@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:30:59 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.68 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NDhFs-0000iX-SY 58047b7d698411025f76280e3bf11f08 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13199 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 16:30:15.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC318BA0:01CA6EB5] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> >> "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned >> resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from modifications >> by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a "checkout" >> operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation to go back to >> the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow modification, in which >> case the checkout/checkin operation may happen implicitly." >> > >> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned >> resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from modifications >> by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a "checkout" >> operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation to go back to >> the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow modification and perfrom >> versioning without requiring an explicit checkout operation. > > > I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out > working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above wording > isn't suitable also. > ... For now I have applied my change proposal in , but that doesn't mean we can't spend some more time with wordsmithing :-) BR, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:40:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BB63A6861 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:40:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.022 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.022 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.976, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EtKPh4WOmDUO for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF303A6978 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQGXSHN050548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAQGXSVt050547; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail383c25.carrierzone.com (mail383c25.carrierzone.com [209.235.146.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAQGXM6K050515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) X-Authenticated-User: master.tencoassemblies.com Received: from TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local (static-68-162-87-75.phil.east.verizon.net [68.162.87.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail383c25.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAQGXIgZ031530; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:33:20 GMT Received: from TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local ([10.0.0.2]) by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:30:15 -0500 Received: by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local (Microsoft Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 5.00.2195) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG11262009-113008-10316.MMD@TencoAssembliesInc.local; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:30:08 -0500 X-Envelope-From: w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by mail364c25.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAQGMxw1011294 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:23:01 -0500 Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NDh70-0005Ry-Ox for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:22:30 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NDh70-0005Qd-1u for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:22:30 +0000 Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com ([17.148.16.97]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NDh6s-0000po-0U for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:22:24 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.98.120]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTQ00I6Y5GBS690@asmtp022.mac.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:21:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:21:46 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NDh6s-0000po-0U f8cae773d9d6b016fb74c3f7e3bbe16f X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13197 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 16:30:15.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC174CE0:01CA6EB5] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 26, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > "When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a > "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from > modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a > "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation > to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow > modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may > happen implicitly." > > When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a > "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from > modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a > "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation > to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow > modification and perfrom versioning without requiring an explicit > checkout operation. I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above wording isn't suitable also. Jan > Best regards, Julian > > > > Julian Reschke wrote: >> Hi Jan, >> first of all thanks for the feedback! >> Jan Algermissen wrote: >>> Julian, >>> >>> some comments on the link relation draft: >>> >> > 2. Terminology >>> >>> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check >>> in'. >> Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the >> definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on decided >> later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this work >> better with CMIS and JCR. >>> Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can >>> only take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. >>> However, a resource could also be versioned by the server upon any >>> modification made by a client regardless of any 'checking out' or >>> 'checking in'. The link relations specified would still make sense. >> Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV >> versioning (through the various modes of auto-versioning). >>> Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >>> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve >>> these operations. This would at least involve another link >>> relation and specification how to use the linked resource to >>> perform a checkout. >> These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which >> they are used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; >> thus I'd avoid to go that way. >> For now, I've added this to the issues list: > >. I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. >>> Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >>> >>> Appendix A >>> >>> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. >> Indeed. Thanks for catching this. >>> I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes >>> up in almost every project. Thanks. >> That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations >> doesn't make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) >> Best regards, Julian > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 26 08:42:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C273F3A6818 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:42:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.957 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.957 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.911, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJgqyB-1U-t4 for ; 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Many servers protect versioned resources from >> modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a >> "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation >> to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow >> modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may >> happen implicitly." >> > Forgot to insert: What about: >> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a >> "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from >> modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a >> "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation >> to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow >> modification and perfrom versioning without requiring an explicit >> checkout operation. > > > I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out > working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above > wording isn't suitable also. > > Jan > Sorry, Jan > >> Best regards, Julian >> >> >> >> Julian Reschke wrote: >>> Hi Jan, >>> first of all thanks for the feedback! >>> Jan Algermissen wrote: >>>> Julian, >>>> >>>> some comments on the link relation draft: >>>> >>> > 2. Terminology >>>> >>>> It is not clear to me, what the meaning of 'check out' and 'check >>>> in'. >>> Yes, we need to add text here. We originally started with the >>> definitions with RFC 3253 (WebDAV versioning), but later on >>> decided later on to just rely on generic definitions to make this >>> work better with CMIS and JCR. >>>> Also, the text (IMO) creates the impression that versioning can >>>> only take place when 'check out' and 'check in' are applied. >>>> However, a resource could also be versioned by the server upon >>>> any modification made by a client regardless of any 'checking >>>> out' or 'checking in'. The link relations specified would still >>>> make sense. >>> Indeed; and that's something that can even happen in WebDAV >>> versioning (through the various modes of auto-versioning). >>>> Assuming that 'checking out' and 'checking in' are operations on >>>> resources, I think the draft should address how clients achieve >>>> these operations. This would at least involve another link >>>> relation and specification how to use the linked resource to >>>> perform a checkout. >>> These kinds of operations are specific to the protocol in which >>> they are used, while the link relations are meant to be generic; >>> thus I'd avoid to go that way. >>> For now, I've added this to the issues list: >> >. I'll try to make a change proposal soonish. >>>> Or am I misunderstanding what the draft is trying to do? >>>> >>>> Appendix A >>>> >>>> It should be 'working-copy' instead of 'working-resource'. >>> Indeed. Thanks for catching this. >>>> I am glad to see this happening. Covers a lot of stuff that comes >>>> up in almost every project. Thanks. >>> That's good to hear, because defining generic link relations >>> doesn't make sense unless there are generic use cases for them :-) >>> Best regards, Julian >> > > -------------------------------------- > Jan Algermissen > > Mail: algermissen@acm.org > Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ > Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com > -------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 26 12:51:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A6C3A6358 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:51:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -23.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-23.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_OFF=2.3, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Cz8k9Dpz3wH for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from 187-25-183-96.3g.claro.net.br (187-24-149-212.3g.claro.net.br [187.24.149.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262163A6893 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:51:33 -0800 (PST) From: Official VIAGRA (R) Store To: atompub-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Dear atompub-archive 75% 0FF on Pfizer. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 27 07:04:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB5F3A681B for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:04:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.481 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.481 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.435, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MCdhodRBpj-z for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDCD3A691B for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAREuUYP020848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAREuUL5020847; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:56:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAREuPsx020839 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:56:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Nov 2009 14:56:24 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2009 15:56:24 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19L9k1DVztL+lu3uI/XQHpqXLczk08YIjtmXoTfai 2JN8y93uhD/5BZ Message-ID: <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:56:14 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > Forgot to insert: > > What about: > > >>> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned >>> resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from >>> modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a >>> "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation >>> to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow >>> modification and perfrom versioning without requiring an explicit >>> checkout operation. >> >> >> I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out >> working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above wording >> isn't suitable also. >> >> Jan >> ... Hi Jan, if I understand you correctly you say that the proposed text explaining checkin/checkout should mention that it applies to modifying the working copy. I believe that's correct, but would require a forward reference to the term "working copy" that I'd like to avoid. (If you meant to say something else, please clarify). With respect to replacing "Other servers allow modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may happen implicitly." by "Other servers allow modification and perform versioning without requiring an explicit checkout operation." ...: this really seems to be equivalent; any particular reason why you feel your text is clearer? Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 27 07:12:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C243A3A6831 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.471 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.471 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.425, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WlO6T5bdiWYP for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E713A682C for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nARF3VDJ021300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); 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27 Nov 2009 14:56:24 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2009 15:56:24 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19L9k1DVztL+lu3uI/XQHpqXLczk08YIjtmXoTfai 2JN8y93uhD/5BZ Message-ID: <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:56:14 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NE2Fj-0005Wf-6g 4c52327977ba82f1c2a9a34ee836d658 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13200 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2009 15:00:16.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[54944B00:01CA6F72] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > Forgot to insert: > > What about: > > >>> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a "versioned >>> resource". Many servers protect versioned resources from >>> modifications by considering them "checked in", and by requiring a >>> "checkout" operation before modification, and a "checkin" operation >>> to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other servers allow >>> modification and perfrom versioning without requiring an explicit >>> checkout operation. >> >> >> I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out >> working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above wording >> isn't suitable also. >> >> Jan >> ... Hi Jan, if I understand you correctly you say that the proposed text explaining checkin/checkout should mention that it applies to modifying the working copy. I believe that's correct, but would require a forward reference to the term "working copy" that I'd like to avoid. (If you meant to say something else, please clarify). With respect to replacing "Other servers allow modification, in which case the checkout/checkin operation may happen implicitly." by "Other servers allow modification and perform versioning without requiring an explicit checkout operation." ...: this really seems to be equivalent; any particular reason why you feel your text is clearer? Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 27 09:23:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9913E3A6A51 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:23:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.937, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kB-gagxUgL7P for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822D43A6A2D for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nARHEA2T028181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nARHEAwt028180; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout018.mac.com (asmtpout018.mac.com [17.148.16.93]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nARHE4jC028170 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.101.152]) by asmtp018.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTS00I8M2IG7N10@asmtp018.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:13:32 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:13:27 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julian, On Nov 27, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Forgot to insert: >> What about: >>>> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a >>>> "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources >>>> from modifications by considering them "checked in", and by >>>> requiring a "checkout" operation before modification, and a >>>> "checkin" operation to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other >>>> servers allow modification and perfrom versioning without >>>> requiring an explicit checkout operation. >>> >>> >>> I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out >>> working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above >>> wording isn't suitable also. >>> >>> Jan > >> ... > > Hi Jan, > > if I understand you correctly you say that the proposed text > explaining checkin/checkout should mention that it applies to > modifying the working copy. What I tried to say is that the notion of working-copy goes hand in hand with the notion of checking out. Or, to view it from a different angle: when a server is versioning, it can do so either implicitly (on its own) upon a modification of the resource that is being versioned by the server or it can require the user to do it explicitly by cheking out->working copy->update working copy->check-in. Without a notion of check-in the working-copy notion is useless because it will never lead to a new version. > I believe that's correct, but would require a forward reference to > the term "working copy" that I'd like to avoid. (If you meant to say > something else, please clarify). > I think the notion of versioning is orthogonal to the notion of checkout/checkin and the draft seems to be centered around it. If a resource is being versioned by the server, all relations make sense, except working-copy. Only for working-copy you need to introduce checkin/checkout. It is just another means putting the versioning 'action' in the hands of the client. (But please takte this only as input - the draft just triggered an analysis process and that keeps going :-) I cannot judge if it is significant enough to justify work on the draft or even this exchange... > With respect to replacing > > "Other servers allow modification, in which case the checkout/ > checkin operation may happen implicitly." > > by > > "Other servers allow modification and perform versioning without > requiring an explicit checkout operation." > > ...: this really seems to be equivalent; any particular reason why > you feel your text is clearer? > The latter IMHO takes the focus away from checkin/checkout which I see as an absolute edge-case (being non DAV and non CMIS biased :-) But then....word smithing I guess. Jan > Best regards, Julian > > > > > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Fri Nov 27 09:25:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCC73A6A2D for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.931 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.931 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.885, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wuzg0Gro9ajZ for ; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAD73A6978 for ; 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Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:14:40 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.101.152]) by asmtp018.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTS00I8M2IG7N10@asmtp018.mac.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:13:32 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV Message-id: <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:13:27 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NE4Oy-00037D-8N 9e3cdf72aa37da368b6bd0d8809c6287 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13201 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2009 17:15:12.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E0CE150:01CA6F85] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julian, On Nov 27, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Forgot to insert: >> What about: >>>> When a resource is put under version control, it becomes a >>>> "versioned resource". Many servers protect versioned resources >>>> from modifications by considering them "checked in", and by >>>> requiring a "checkout" operation before modification, and a >>>> "checkin" operation to go back to the "checked-in" state. Other >>>> servers allow modification and perfrom versioning without >>>> requiring an explicit checkout operation. >>> >>> >>> I feel there should be the notion of 'modification of checked-out >>> working copy' in there but I don't mean to say that your above >>> wording isn't suitable also. >>> >>> Jan > >> ... > > Hi Jan, > > if I understand you correctly you say that the proposed text > explaining checkin/checkout should mention that it applies to > modifying the working copy. What I tried to say is that the notion of working-copy goes hand in hand with the notion of checking out. Or, to view it from a different angle: when a server is versioning, it can do so either implicitly (on its own) upon a modification of the resource that is being versioned by the server or it can require the user to do it explicitly by cheking out->working copy->update working copy->check-in. Without a notion of check-in the working-copy notion is useless because it will never lead to a new version. > I believe that's correct, but would require a forward reference to > the term "working copy" that I'd like to avoid. (If you meant to say > something else, please clarify). > I think the notion of versioning is orthogonal to the notion of checkout/checkin and the draft seems to be centered around it. If a resource is being versioned by the server, all relations make sense, except working-copy. Only for working-copy you need to introduce checkin/checkout. It is just another means putting the versioning 'action' in the hands of the client. (But please takte this only as input - the draft just triggered an analysis process and that keeps going :-) I cannot judge if it is significant enough to justify work on the draft or even this exchange... > With respect to replacing > > "Other servers allow modification, in which case the checkout/ > checkin operation may happen implicitly." > > by > > "Other servers allow modification and perform versioning without > requiring an explicit checkout operation." > > ...: this really seems to be equivalent; any particular reason why > you feel your text is clearer? > The latter IMHO takes the focus away from checkin/checkout which I see as an absolute edge-case (being non DAV and non CMIS biased :-) But then....word smithing I guess. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 28 00:37:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3743A690E for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:37:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.957 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.957 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.911, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jGOfqGrNCF4L for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D28C3A679C for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAS8Td0k068533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAS8TdMM068532; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:29:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout012.mac.com (asmtpout012.mac.com [17.148.16.87]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAS8TWKr068519 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:29:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.89.124]) by asmtp012.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTT00FGZ8X30Q10@asmtp012.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:29:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , Julian Reschke , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Geoffrey M Clemm In-reply-to: Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:29:26 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > > Note that versioning servers without working copies often still > require a checkout/checkin protocol. > The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users that > this client is working on that resource. > The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to > create a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just > updates the current content without creating a new version). In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the definition of working copy depends on it. Jan > > Cheers, > Geoff > > Jan Algermissen wrote on 11/27/2009 12:13:27 PM: > > ... > > I think the notion of versioning is orthogonal to the notion of > > checkout/checkin and the draft seems to be centered around it. If a > > resource is being versioned by the server, all relations make sense, > > except working-copy. Only for working-copy you need to introduce > > checkin/checkout. It is just another means putting the versioning > > 'action' in the hands of the client. > > > > (But please takte this only as input - the draft just triggered an > > analysis process and that keeps going :-) > > I cannot judge if it is significant enough to justify work on the > > draft or even this exchange... > > > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 28 00:42:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD363A684A for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:42:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.913 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.913 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.867, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wZ9y94mUCb4O for ; 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Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:30:17 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NEIh6-0007QA-8p; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:30:16 +0000 Received: from asmtpout012.mac.com ([17.148.16.87]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NEIgu-0003CE-MV; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:30:10 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.102] ([84.144.89.124]) by asmtp012.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTT00FGZ8X30Q10@asmtp012.mac.com>; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:29:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , Julian Reschke , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Message-id: From: Jan Algermissen To: Geoffrey M Clemm In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:29:26 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NEIgu-0003CE-MV 7a74600ca51a044489fb9c70a54bb240 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13203 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2009 08:30:20.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[058462F0:01CA7005] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > > Note that versioning servers without working copies often still > require a checkout/checkin protocol. > The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users that > this client is working on that resource. > The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to > create a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just > updates the current content without creating a new version). In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the definition of working copy depends on it. Jan > > Cheers, > Geoff > > Jan Algermissen wrote on 11/27/2009 12:13:27 PM: > > ... > > I think the notion of versioning is orthogonal to the notion of > > checkout/checkin and the draft seems to be centered around it. If a > > resource is being versioned by the server, all relations make sense, > > except working-copy. Only for working-copy you need to introduce > > checkin/checkout. It is just another means putting the versioning > > 'action' in the hands of the client. > > > > (But please takte this only as input - the draft just triggered an > > analysis process and that keeps going :-) > > I cannot judge if it is significant enough to justify work on the > > draft or even this exchange... > > > -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From atompub-archive@megatron.ietf.org Sat Nov 28 17:42:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D453A67E6 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:42:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -18.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.552, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_OFF=2.3, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SBL=20, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cO5PyCIG1PRl for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dial-b2-176-21.telepac.pt (dial-b2-176-21.telepac.pt [212.55.176.21]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAEF3A67F7 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: Approved VIAGRA Store To: atompub-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: Member atompub-archive@megatron.ietf.org get 80% 0FF on ALL Pfizer. 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 29 13:31:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918013A67EA for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:31:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.854 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.854 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nlMVvFwEqp8I for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A053A6935 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATLOj1R072610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATLOjZp072609; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-pw0-f55.google.com (mail-pw0-f55.google.com [209.85.160.55]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATLOeLB072601 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:24:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from john@johnpanzer.com) Received: by pwj19 with SMTP id 19so1809446pwj.34 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:24:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.4.17 with SMTP id 17mr392207wfd.85.1259529880233; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:24:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:24:40 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 31c255e67ae3277b Message-ID: <30ac519d0911291324q1bb59963ne670e4da7e7da6e2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Can atom-namespaced elements be allowed as foreign markup? From: John Panzer To: atom-syntax Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502bfe918689b0479892776 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --00504502bfe918689b0479892776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The normative English spec text on this in RFC 4278 is not clear. The Relax NG non-normative grammar definitively forbids atom-namespaced elements from appearing anywhere except where RFC 4278 explicitly allows them, and the W3C validator at least follows the RNG grammar and treats this as a hard error. I think this is an error in the grammar but the English text is, of course, ambiguous. One place where this would be useful would be to place an atom:link underneath an atom:author element, as part of an extension that does not need to define its own link element, but can re-use the Atom one. A very specific, interesting, and useful case here would be .... The expectation would be of course that clients that don't understand this type of link inside an must ignore them. Here's a trivial test case; the W3C's Feed Validator at http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi flags the link as an 'unknown element': Joe 2009-11-23T09:50:40.239-08:00 tag:example.com,1999:383838383 The non-normative Relax NG grammar in RFC 4287 explicitly forbids the use of atom:link here because it excludes anything in the atom namespace from being extension elements, e.g.: simpleExtensionElement = element * - atom:* { text } and so forth. On the other hand the normative text of the specification doesn't explicitly say this; it says that (basically) extension elements are anything that is "foreign markup", and that's allowed anywhere. Looking at the definition of "foreign markup", it says: 6.2. Extensions to the Atom Vocabulary The Atom namespace is reserved for future forward-compatible revisions of Atom. Future versions of this specification could add new elements and attributes to the Atom markup vocabulary. Software written to conform to this version of the specification will not be able to process such markup correctly and, in fact, will not be able to distinguish it from markup error. For the purposes of this discussion, unrecognized markup from the Atom vocabulary will be considered "foreign markup". My reading of this is that if atom:link _in the context of atom:author_ is "foreign markup" then it's allowed, otherwise it's not allowed. I believe the intent is to allow it, because of the first few sentences of 6.2 above. If it is forbidden, then future versions of Atom could not ever allow atom:link in atom:author without breaking backwards compatibility. Meaning that this decision was frozen at 1.0 and could never be revised -- which would be odd, and I don't remember us making that decision :). Against my interpretation is the idea that this probably represents an error in the feed, and so treating this as foreign markup would reduce the ability to do error checking. On the third hand, there is very little useful that can be done with such an error in real use other than ignore it, which is what I suspect that real processors (not validators) do. I think it's a useful and obvious mechanism for extending Atom. Thoughts? -John Panzer --00504502bfe918689b0479892776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The normative English spec text on this in RFC 4278 is not clear. =A0The Re= lax NG non-normative grammar definitively forbids atom-namespaced elements = from appearing anywhere except where RFC 4278 explicitly allows them, and t= he W3C validator at least follows the RNG grammar and treats this as a hard= error. =A0I think this is an error in the grammar but the English text is,= of course, ambiguous.

One place where this would be useful would be to place an at= om:link underneath an atom:author element, as part of an extension that doe= s not need to define its own link element, but can re-use the Atom one. =A0= A very specific, interesting, and useful case here would be <author>&= lt;link rel=3D"alternate" type=3D"application/poco+xml"= href=3D"..." />...</author>. =A0The expectation would b= e of course that clients that don't understand this type of link inside= an <author> must ignore them.

Here's a trivial test case; the=A0W3C's Feed Validator at=A0http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi=A0flags the link as = an 'unknown element':

= <?xml version=3D'1.0' encoding=3D'UTF-8'?>
= <entry xmlns=3D'http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom= 9;>
<author>
=A0=A0<name>Joe</name>
= =A0=A0<link rel=3D"alternate" href=3D"http://exa= mple.org" />
</author>
<title> </title>
<u= pdated>2009-11-23T09:50:40.239-08:00</updated>
<id>= ;tag:example.com,1999:383838383</id>
<content> </content>
</entry>
The non-normative Relax NG grammar in RFC 4287 explicitly= forbids the use of atom:link here because it excludes anything in the atom= namespace from being extension elements, e.g.:
simpleExtensionElement =3D
      element * - atom:* {
         text
      }
and so forth. =A0On the other hand the norma= tive text of the specification doesn't explicitly say this; it says tha= t (basically) extension elements are anything that is "foreign markup&= quot;, and that's allowed anywhere. =A0Looking at the definition of &qu= ot;foreign markup", it says:

6.2.  Extensions to the Atom Voca=
bulary

   The Atom namespace is reserved for future forward-compatible
   revisions of Atom.  Future versions of this specification could add
   new elements and attributes to the Atom markup vocabulary.  Software
   written to conform to this version of the specification will not be
   able to process such markup correctly and, in fact, will not be able
   to distinguish it from markup error.  For the purposes of this
   discussion, unrecognized markup from the Atom vocabulary will be
   considered "foreign markup".

=
My reading of this is that if atom:link _in the context of atom:author= _ is "foreign markup" then it's allowed, otherwise it's n= ot allowed. =A0I believe the intent is to allow it, because of the first fe= w sentences of 6.2 above. =A0If it is forbidden, then future versions of At= om could not ever allow atom:link in atom:author without breaking backwards= compatibility. =A0Meaning that this decision was frozen at 1.0 and could n= ever be revised -- which would be odd, and I don't remember us making t= hat decision :).

Against my interpretation is the idea that this probabl= y represents an error in the feed, and so treating this as foreign markup w= ould reduce the ability to do error checking. =A0On the third hand, there i= s very little useful that can be done with such an error in real use other = than ignore it, which is what I suspect that real processors (not validator= s) do. =A0I think it's a useful and obvious mechanism for extending Ato= m.

Thoughts?

-John Panzer

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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 29 16:02:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55283A67A1 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_48=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, URI_HEX=0.368, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DYIQ5XaqLEP8 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709683A680A for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATNspJY078486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nATNsplm078485; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-pw0-f55.google.com (mail-pw0-f55.google.com [209.85.160.55]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nATNskli078475 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:54:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pjkeane@gmail.com) Received: by pwj19 with SMTP id 19so1847123pwj.34 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:54:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=oUh8vIh1rBWI77v9sAlxRbepK/E+hVxi7TaHz5+/8vk=; b=aLkyDIhucZFVvnzq7OC/5C63rZFTRCeQdrXla/zGbkzvpX8Jz/s1dRFOQlHgYN86PK rMvZ9ilv9Xuu792oE8Ek6FRqQmvJibdI2OFLzs8opgIM/2nHfZ4GfiGDEiFihqFoVqsv MVLNCkfKv7Jrmcwo0CawxFB4P2AEVzShekRh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=pccolzasA3IoTbE+B/HW1e4cAmFef6+OvdopC8c6AgM1rk7oLBpKOhhtbuAUnjpO+E NiIfctPsc49B9ZUC3wIZp5rOcN0/iHvjm5mtOsd3eLRF4jRfQyhC1DxkfrEdXSHLw77v V38oQTuIbsCl0JFHo0JTIY2CaFgTkK6EqX8WI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.214.18 with SMTP id m18mr5818523wag.133.1259538885515; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:54:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <30ac519d0911291324q1bb59963ne670e4da7e7da6e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <30ac519d0911291324q1bb59963ne670e4da7e7da6e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:54:45 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aadb2b6898c72f9b Message-ID: <8158ad750911291554p5c542727y18012649d8977e3f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Can atom-namespaced elements be allowed as foreign markup? From: Peter Keane To: John Panzer Cc: atom-syntax Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64aedaeda1bef04798b3fbd Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --0016e64aedaeda1bef04798b3fbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:24 PM, John Panzer wrote: > The normative English spec text on this in RFC 4278 is not clear. The > Relax NG non-normative grammar definitively forbids atom-namespaced elements > from appearing anywhere except where RFC 4278 explicitly allows them, and > the W3C validator at least follows the RNG grammar and treats this as a hard > error. I think this is an error in the grammar but the English text is, of > course, ambiguous. > > One place where this would be useful would be to place an atom:link > underneath an atom:author element, as part of an extension that does not > need to define its own link element, but can re-use the Atom one. A very > specific, interesting, and useful case here would be rel="alternate" type="application/poco+xml" href="..." />.... The > expectation would be of course that clients that don't understand this type > of link inside an must ignore them. > > Here's a trivial test case; the W3C's Feed Validator at > http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi flags the link as an 'unknown > element': > > > > > Joe > > > > 2009-11-23T09:50:40.239-08:00 > tag:example.com,1999:383838383 > > > > The non-normative Relax NG grammar in RFC 4287 explicitly forbids the use > of atom:link here because it excludes anything in the atom namespace from > being extension elements, e.g.: > > simpleExtensionElement = > element * - atom:* { > text > } > > and so forth. On the other hand the normative text of the specification > doesn't explicitly say this; it says that (basically) extension elements are > anything that is "foreign markup", and that's allowed anywhere. Looking at > the definition of "foreign markup", it says: > > 6.2. Extensions to the Atom Vocabulary > > The Atom namespace is reserved for future forward-compatible > revisions of Atom. Future versions of this specification could add > new elements and attributes to the Atom markup vocabulary. Software > written to conform to this version of the specification will not be > able to process such markup correctly and, in fact, will not be able > to distinguish it from markup error. For the purposes of this > discussion, unrecognized markup from the Atom vocabulary will be > considered "foreign markup". > > > My reading of this is that if atom:link _in the context of atom:author_ is > "foreign markup" then it's allowed, otherwise it's not allowed. I believe > the intent is to allow it, because of the first few sentences of 6.2 above. > If it is forbidden, then future versions of Atom could not ever allow > atom:link in atom:author without breaking backwards compatibility. Meaning > that this decision was frozen at 1.0 and could never be revised -- which > would be odd, and I don't remember us making that decision :). > > Against my interpretation is the idea that this probably represents an > error in the feed, and so treating this as foreign markup would reduce the > ability to do error checking. On the third hand, there is very little > useful that can be done with such an error in real use other than ignore it, > which is what I suspect that real processors (not validators) do. I think > it's a useful and obvious mechanism for extending Atom. > > Thoughts? > There have been a number of interesting threads on this (I can dig up links if you'd like), but esp. regarding an atom:link child of atom:category AND atom:category as a child of atom:link. I agree it is a useful and obvious mechanism for extending Atom, but one which is unlikely to be supported by a generic atom feed consumer (if such a thing does, indeed, exist ;-)). I don't think there is a general consensus at this point pro or con, but it certainly has not caught on. I've always regarded it as offering a lightweight bridge between RDF and atom -- it seems to me quite easy to extract the "triples" suggested by these sorts of extensions (and, likewise, could it make it much easier (in many cases) to express RDF as atom. --peter > > -John Panzer > > --0016e64aedaeda1bef04798b3fbd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:24 PM, John Pa= nzer <jpanzer@acm.o= rg> wrote:
The normative English spec text on this in RFC 4278 is not clear. =C2=A0The= Relax NG non-normative grammar definitively forbids atom-namespaced elemen= ts from appearing anywhere except where RFC 4278 explicitly allows them, an= d the W3C validator at least follows the RNG grammar and treats this as a h= ard error. =C2=A0I think this is an error in the grammar but the English te= xt is, of course, ambiguous.

One place where this would be useful would be to place an at= om:link underneath an atom:author element, as part of an extension that doe= s not need to define its own link element, but can re-use the Atom one. =C2= =A0A very specific, interesting, and useful case here would be <author&g= t;<link rel=3D"alternate" type=3D"application/poco+xml&qu= ot; href=3D"..." />...</author>. =C2=A0The expectation w= ould be of course that clients that don't understand this type of link = inside an <author> must ignore them.

Here's a trivial test case; the=C2= =A0W3C's Feed Validator at=C2=A0http://vali= dator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi=C2=A0flags the link as an 'unknown elem= ent':

<?xml version=3D'1.0&#= 39; encoding=3D'UTF-8'?>
<entry xmlns=3D'http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom'>
<author>
=C2=A0=C2=A0<name>Joe</name>
=C2=A0=C2=A0<link rel=3D"alternate" href=3D"http://example.org" />
</author>
<title> </title>
<u= pdated>2009-11-23T09:50:40.239-08:00</updated>
<id>= ;tag:example.com,1999:383838383</id>
<content> </content>
</entry>
The non-normative Relax NG grammar in RFC 4287 explicitly= forbids the use of atom:link here because it excludes anything in the atom= namespace from being extension elements, e.g.:
simpleExtensionElement =3D
      element * - atom:* {
         text
      }
and so forth. =C2=A0On the other hand the no= rmative text of the specification doesn't explicitly say this; it says = that (basically) extension elements are anything that is "foreign mark= up", and that's allowed anywhere. =C2=A0Looking at the definition = of "foreign markup", it says:

6.2.  Extensions to the Atom Vocabulary

   The Atom namespace is reserved for future forward-compatible
   revisions of Atom.  Future versions of this specification could add
   new elements and attributes to the Atom markup vocabulary.  Software
   written to conform to this version of the specification will not be
   able to process such markup correctly and, in fact, will not be able
   to distinguish it from markup error.  For the purposes of this
   discussion, unrecognized markup from the Atom vocabulary will be
   considered "foreign markup".

=
My reading of this is that if atom:link _in the context of atom:author= _ is "foreign markup" then it's allowed, otherwise it's n= ot allowed. =C2=A0I believe the intent is to allow it, because of the first= few sentences of 6.2 above. =C2=A0If it is forbidden, then future versions= of Atom could not ever allow atom:link in atom:author without breaking bac= kwards compatibility. =C2=A0Meaning that this decision was frozen at 1.0 an= d could never be revised -- which would be odd, and I don't remember us= making that decision :).

Against my interpretation is the idea that this probabl= y represents an error in the feed, and so treating this as foreign markup w= ould reduce the ability to do error checking. =C2=A0On the third hand, ther= e is very little useful that can be done with such an error in real use oth= er than ignore it, which is what I suspect that real processors (not valida= tors) do. =C2=A0I think it's a useful and obvious mechanism for extendi= ng Atom.

Thoughts?

There have been a number of interesting threads on this (I can dig u= p links if you'd like), but esp. regarding an atom:link child of atom:c= ategory AND atom:category as a child of atom:link.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I agree it i= s a useful and obvious mechanism for extending Atom, but one which is unlik= ely to be supported by a generic atom feed consumer (if such a thing does, = indeed, exist ;-)).=C2=A0 I don't think there is a general consensus at= this point pro or con, but it certainly has not caught on. I've always= regarded it as offering a lightweight bridge between RDF and atom -- it se= ems to me quite easy to extract the "triples" suggested by these = sorts of extensions (and, likewise, could it make it much easier (in many c= ases) to express RDF as atom.

--peter

=C2=A0

-John Panzer


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30 Nov 2009 12:02:56 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 13:02:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18kc+FvD/skT4Xme1MU09Zs66KywFcm9JKCw3PahN wFCj/ffQLpxbE5 Message-ID: <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:02:53 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: Geoffrey M Clemm , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NF4yU-00087Y-Ri ff220a0ef8e485094ee81db5271da011 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13204 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2009 12:15:17.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[C792E580:01CA71B6] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > >> >> Note that versioning servers without working copies often still >> require a checkout/checkin protocol. >> The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users that >> this client is working on that resource. >> The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to create >> a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just updates the >> current content without creating a new version). > > In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of > versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the only > reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the definition > of working copy depends on it. > ... Does it? "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 04:32:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D7A3A6810 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:32:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.455, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bdIe8VS3OSMj for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C203A6783 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUC2xDw016514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAUC2xVx016513; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:02:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAUC2vu7016502 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Nov 2009 12:02:56 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 13:02:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18kc+FvD/skT4Xme1MU09Zs66KywFcm9JKCw3PahN wFCj/ffQLpxbE5 Message-ID: <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:02:53 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: Geoffrey M Clemm , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > >> >> Note that versioning servers without working copies often still >> require a checkout/checkin protocol. >> The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users that >> this client is working on that resource. >> The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to create >> a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just updates the >> current content without creating a new version). > > In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of > versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the only > reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the definition > of working copy depends on it. > ... Does it? "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." Best regards, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 05:04:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F153A6A50 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:04:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.937 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.937 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.891, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rIRjaakwX0ge for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358223A693D for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUCv9Fi020347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAUCv9lA020346; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUCv9MV020338 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:57:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.100] ([84.144.59.56]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTX00HU6AMY9110@asmtp019.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:57:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: Geoffrey M Clemm , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Message-id: <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:56:57 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >> On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: >>> >>> Note that versioning servers without working copies often still >>> require a checkout/checkin protocol. >>> The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users >>> that this client is working on that resource. >>> The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to >>> create a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just >>> updates the current content without creating a new version). >> In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of >> versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the >> only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the >> definition of working copy depends on it. >> ... > > Does it? > > "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be > modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." > So it might be enough to: PUT /working-copies/667 to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 -- working-copy--> /working-copies/667) What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be checked-in? Jan > Best regards, Julian -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 05:13:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA3C3A6A7D for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:13:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.854, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2xE2pNQwfN3f for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE8E3A6A79 for ; 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IOW, the >> only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the >> definition of working copy depends on it. >> ... > > Does it? > > "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be > modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." > So it might be enough to: PUT /working-copies/667 to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 -- working-copy--> /working-copies/667) What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be checked-in? 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From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 08:15:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642143A6AB0 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:15:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.463, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nb7iv9jA009E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFA928C13E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUG6u3C035840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAUG6uEb035839; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id nAUG6nQD035829 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:06:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Nov 2009 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 17:06:48 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/OlQhXV8TOYb39H2IDxlYERtrM1IClIRxdmYQNAn dCrKYPVGozADw7 Message-ID: <4B13ED94.50904@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:06:44 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: Geoffrey M Clemm , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Does it? >> >> "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be >> modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." >> > > So it might be enough to: > > PUT /working-copies/667 > > > > to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 > --working-copy--> /working-copies/667) > > What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be > checked-in? That's not what I intended to say; I was just pointing out that the current definition in the spec does not refer to checkin/checkout (maybe it should?). BR, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 08:27:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC503A6939 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:27:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bzs-S+1RjvkJ for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8073A68B8 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUGJa63037258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAUGJaFX037257; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:19:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e1.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.141]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUGJVsd037246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com) Received: from d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (d01relay03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.235]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAUGHFln026071 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:17:15 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id nAUGJUS0109028 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:19:30 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id nAUCAAjf025945 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:10:10 -0500 Received: from d01ml261.pok.ibm.com (d01ml261.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.97]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id nAUC9vYq024593; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:09:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> To: Jan Algermissen Cc: "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , Julian Reschke , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 X-KeepSent: 4F0BFA22:1B97DE49-8525767E:005056B2; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2 HF623 January 16, 2009 From: Geoffrey M Clemm Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:19:16 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 11/30/2009 11:19:17, Serialize complete at 11/30/2009 11:19:17 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0059A6058525767E_=" Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0059A6058525767E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Many (possibly, most) versioning servers provide the ability for a client to store on the server working drafts of the working resource, before committing it as a publicly visible next version. So a PUT to the working resource just updates the content of the (private) working resource. A separate operation (checkin) commits the current content (or the content included with the CHECKIN operation). Cheers, Geoff Jan Algermissen wrote on 11/30/2009 07:56:57 AM: > Geoffrey M Clemm, "Atom-syntax Syntax'", WebDAV, w3c-dist-auth-request > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > > Jan Algermissen wrote: > >> On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > >>> > >>> Note that versioning servers without working copies often still > >>> require a checkout/checkin protocol. > >>> The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users > >>> that this client is working on that resource. > >>> The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to > >>> create a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just > >>> updates the current content without creating a new version). > >> In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of > >> versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the > >> only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the > >> definition of working copy depends on it. > >> ... > > > > Does it? > > > > "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be > > modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." > > > > So it might be enough to: > > PUT /working-copies/667 > > > > to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 -- > working-copy--> /working-copies/667) > > What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be > checked-in? --=_alternative 0059A6058525767E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Many (possibly, most) versioning servers provide the ability for a client to store on the server working drafts of the working resource, before committing it as a publicly visible next version.  So a PUT to the working resource just updates the content of the (private) working resource.  A separate operation (checkin) commits the current content (or the content included with the CHECKIN operation).

Cheers,
Geoff

Jan Algermissen <algermissen1971@mac.com> wrote on 11/30/2009 07:56:57 AM:
> Geoffrey M Clemm, "Atom-syntax Syntax'", WebDAV, w3c-dist-auth-request
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>
> > Jan Algermissen wrote:
> >> On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Note that versioning servers without working copies often still  
> >>> require a checkout/checkin protocol.
> >>> The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users  
> >>> that this client is working on that resource.
> >>> The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to  
> >>> create a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just  
> >>> updates the current content without creating a new version).
> >> In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of  
> >> versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the  
> >> only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the  
> >> definition of working copy depends on it.
> >> ...
> >
> > Does it?
> >
> > "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be  
> > modified to create a new version of a versioned resource."
> >
>
> So it might be enough to:
>
> PUT /working-copies/667
>
> <foo/>
>
> to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 --
> working-copy--> /working-copies/667)
>
> What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be  
> checked-in?

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30 Nov 2009 16:06:48 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.105]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 17:06:48 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/OlQhXV8TOYb39H2IDxlYERtrM1IClIRxdmYQNAn dCrKYPVGozADw7 Message-ID: <4B13ED94.50904@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:06:44 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Algermissen CC: Geoffrey M Clemm , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1NF8mW-0006Vd-Vu 1abcc9a60da7c70b9d72a3e1d3d307a2 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13206 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2009 16:15:19.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F86F640:01CA71D8] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jan Algermissen wrote: >> Does it? >> >> "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be >> modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." >> > > So it might be enough to: > > PUT /working-copies/667 > > > > to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 > --working-copy--> /working-copies/667) > > What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be > checked-in? That's not what I intended to say; I was just pointing out that the current definition in the spec does not refer to checkin/checkout (maybe it should?). BR, Julian From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 08:41:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768243A6AB6 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:41:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.884 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.884 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.838, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LtaLdXJIwH7h for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABCD3A6AB0 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUGSTOI038067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id nAUGSTgJ038066; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nAUGSIbl038002 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from algermissen1971@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from [192.168.2.100] ([84.144.59.56]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTX00858KF1VV00@asmtp019.mac.com> for atom-syntax@imc.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:28:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: Geoffrey M Clemm , "Atom-syntax Syntax'" , WebDAV , w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Message-id: <7819BE24-E735-436C-8596-A0E771430377@mac.com> From: Jan Algermissen To: Julian Reschke In-reply-to: <4B13ED94.50904@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:28:12 +0100 References: <20091120140001.A7A5D3A6A84@core3.amsl.com> <4B06A41A.2070508@gmx.de> <4B0BBB72.1090200@gmx.de> <4B0E82C4.1040206@gmx.de> <5FB7A4E2-4015-4FB1-A5A8-561644A928BC@mac.com> <4B0FE88E.8070605@gmx.de> <45595B95-70A0-44BB-A5B5-9B0E64B31F20@mac.com> <4B13B46D.2060004@gmx.de> <915EE8BF-3B46-46AD-AD65-2A0B79144081@mac.com> <4B13ED94.50904@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Jan Algermissen wrote: >>> Does it? >>> >>> "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can >>> be modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." >>> >> So it might be enough to: >> PUT /working-copies/667 >> >> to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 -- >> working-copy--> /working-copies/667) >> What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be >> checked-in? > > That's not what I intended to say; I was just pointing out that the > current definition in the spec does not refer to checkin/checkout > (maybe it should?). Hmm, I think so. The definition in a sense implies that the version is created as a result of the modification. Which is IMHO *never* the case for working copies. Surely the draft must define 'working copy'. What is the nature of a working copy? What is its true nature? I think: being *used* for creating new versions. So, what about: >>> "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can >>> be *used* to create a new version of a versioned resource." and remove checkout/checkin completely. ('use' instead of 'modify' sounds less like "The modification cause the versioning" (which it never does by nature of a working copy (IMHO - s.a.)) If the draft wanted to define it, then it woud be something like: checkout: an operation on a resource that creates a working copy checkin: an operation on a working copy that creates a new version of its corresponding versioned resource. Jan > > BR, Julian -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 08:42:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA9E3A6AB6 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:42:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.873 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.873 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.787, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A9JWnsc8tT-E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF233A6AB4 for ; 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Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:34:11 GMT Received: from TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local ([10.0.0.2]) by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:30:20 -0500 Received: by TENCOSERVER.TencoAssembliesInc.local (Microsoft Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 5.00.2195) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG11302009-113015-10725.MMD@TencoAssembliesInc.local; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:30:15 -0500 X-Envelope-From: w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by mail366c25.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAUGTSGd032431 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:29:30 -0500 Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NF97W-0006rf-CI for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:29:02 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NF97V-0006pv-IA; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:29:01 +0000 Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com ([17.148.16.94]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NF97N-0005XF-1B; 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(assuming that /main/667 -- >> working-copy--> /working-copies/667) >> What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be >> checked-in? > > That's not what I intended to say; I was just pointing out that the > current definition in the spec does not refer to checkin/checkout > (maybe it should?). Hmm, I think so. The definition in a sense implies that the version is created as a result of the modification. Which is IMHO *never* the case for working copies. Surely the draft must define 'working copy'. What is the nature of a working copy? What is its true nature? I think: being *used* for creating new versions. So, what about: >>> "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can >>> be *used* to create a new version of a versioned resource." and remove checkout/checkin completely. ('use' instead of 'modify' sounds less like "The modification cause the versioning" (which it never does by nature of a working copy (IMHO - s.a.)) If the draft wanted to define it, then it woud be something like: checkout: an operation on a resource that creates a working copy checkin: an operation on a working copy that creates a new version of its corresponding versioned resource. Jan > > BR, Julian -------------------------------------- Jan Algermissen Mail: algermissen@acm.org Blog: http://algermissen.blogspot.com/ Home: http://www.jalgermissen.com -------------------------------------- From owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 30 08:49:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-atompub-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622A33A6965 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.69 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.605, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzmmoc1zlxAt for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3713A68C1 for ; 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type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2 HF623 January 16, 2009 From: Geoffrey M Clemm Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:19:16 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 11/30/2009 11:19:17, Serialize complete at 11/30/2009 11:19:17 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0059A6058525767E_=" Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1NF8yo-00054E-AH 5ab8cc6e595ba47422b6401c4092c63a X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Comments on Action:draft-brown-versioning-link-relations-03 Archived-At: X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13207 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-MMR: 0 X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2009 16:30:20.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[68824EE0:01CA71DA] Sender: owner-atom-syntax@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0059A6058525767E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Many (possibly, most) versioning servers provide the ability for a client to store on the server working drafts of the working resource, before committing it as a publicly visible next version. So a PUT to the working resource just updates the content of the (private) working resource. A separate operation (checkin) commits the current content (or the content included with the CHECKIN operation). Cheers, Geoff Jan Algermissen wrote on 11/30/2009 07:56:57 AM: > Geoffrey M Clemm, "Atom-syntax Syntax'", WebDAV, w3c-dist-auth-request > > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > > Jan Algermissen wrote: > >> On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > >>> > >>> Note that versioning servers without working copies often still > >>> require a checkout/checkin protocol. > >>> The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users > >>> that this client is working on that resource. > >>> The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to > >>> create a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just > >>> updates the current content without creating a new version). > >> In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of > >> versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the > >> only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the > >> definition of working copy depends on it. > >> ... > > > > Does it? > > > > "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be > > modified to create a new version of a versioned resource." > > > > So it might be enough to: > > PUT /working-copies/667 > > > > to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 -- > working-copy--> /working-copies/667) > > What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be > checked-in? --=_alternative 0059A6058525767E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Many (possibly, most) versioning servers provide the ability for a client to store on the server working drafts of the working resource, before committing it as a publicly visible next version.  So a PUT to the working resource just updates the content of the (private) working resource.  A separate operation (checkin) commits the current content (or the content included with the CHECKIN operation).

Cheers,
Geoff

Jan Algermissen <algermissen1971@mac.com> wrote on 11/30/2009 07:56:57 AM:
> Geoffrey M Clemm, "Atom-syntax Syntax'", WebDAV, w3c-dist-auth-request
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>
> > Jan Algermissen wrote:
> >> On Nov 28, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Note that versioning servers without working copies often still  
> >>> require a checkout/checkin protocol.
> >>> The "checkout" method is used as a notification to other users  
> >>> that this client is working on that resource.
> >>> The "checkin" method is used to tell the server "I want you to  
> >>> create a new version with the current content" (while a PUT just  
> >>> updates the current content without creating a new version).
> >> In this case, checkout/checkin is also orthogonal to the notion of  
> >> versioning and would not need to be mentioned in the spec. IOW, the  
> >> only reason mentioning checkin/checkout in the spec is because the  
> >> definition of working copy depends on it.
> >> ...
> >
> > Does it?
> >
> > "A "working copy" is a resource at a server-defined URL that can be  
> > modified to create a new version of a versioned resource."
> >
>
> So it might be enough to:
>
> PUT /working-copies/667
>
> <foo/>
>
> to create a new version of /main/667 ?? (assuming that /main/667 --
> working-copy--> /working-copies/667)
>
> What would be the reason to have a working copy that needs not be  
> checked-in?

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