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Hi all,

Here is the last charter sent to IESG.=20

regards,
ryuji



Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
-------------------------------------------

Current Status: Active

Chairs:
Ryuji Wakikawa <ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com
Thomas Clausen <T.Clausen@computer.org

Internet Area Directors:
Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com
Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net

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Description of Working Group:

RFC 5889 presents one possible IPv6 addressing model for ad hoc
nodes. In this model the ad hoc routers need to configure their
network interface(s) with addresses valid in the ad hoc network, and
may configure additional prefixes for use by attached nodes.

After completing the work on RFC 5889, the main purpose of the
AUTOCONF WG is to standardize how existing IPv6 address configuration
tools can be used for address configuration.

1. DHCPv6 operation over MANET, including:

- A DHCPv6-based mechanism for configuring required interface
 addresses for the routers in the ad hoc network. This mechanism
 is expected to produce addresses with properties outlined in RFC
 5889. This mechanism uses the existing DHCPv6 protocol unchanged,
 and assumes a central node that can allocate addresses on a
 first-come-first-served basis. Other nodes in the ad hoc network
 will relay messages to the central node in order to help a new
 node get an address for itself. This mechanism is only suitable
 for deployments were a central node can be set up. It should be
 noted that many existing deployments employ Internet gateways
 that can act as such a central node as well. Future extensions
 such as central node election may make this mechanism suitable
 for also for stand-alone ad hoc networks.

- A DHCPv6-based mechanism for delegating a prefix(es) to each
 router for use by applications running on the routers themselves,
 or for configuration of attached hosts/networks. This mechanism
 works in a similar manner to the one above, but allocates
 prefixes instead of addresses.

Both mechanisms should be independent from operation of any specific
MANET routing protocol, although may exploit information maintained by
such a routing protocol, if available.

The working group will adapt and/or reuse existing protocols whenever
reasonable and possible. No new duplicate address detection mechanisms
are will be specified; it is expected that address uniqueness is
guaranteed by the central node alone.

2. Analysis of Problem Space for distributed address configuration and
service discovery.

The working group plans to establish design teams for rapidly advancing
towards initial submissions for these two work items.

Goals and Milestones:

- Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "DHCPv6 operation over =
MANET"
- Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "Analysis of Problem Space"
-Sep 2011 Submission of the "DHCPv6 operation over MANET" to the IESG =
for publication as BCP
-Sep 2011 Submission of the "Analysis of Problem Space" the IESG for =
publication as Informational RFC
-Sep 2011 Rechartering or Closing WG



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Hi Ryuji,

I am happy to repeat my comments.
None is picked up, is it?

Regards, Teco

Op 24 aug 2010, om 22:16 heeft Teco Boot het volgende geschreven:

> I am happy with the dual approach.
>=20
> Some remarks on the draft text:
>=20
> It says that "other nodes will relay messages to the central node".
> On the list is was discussed the relay function could be co-located on =
the node itself.
> Is such a method rejected?
>=20
> Typo: No new duplicate address detection mechanisms are will be =
specified
> "are" or  "will be". This is duplicate already :-)
>=20
> I have problems with:
>>> it is expected that address uniqueness is
>>> guaranteed by the central node alone.
> 1) DHCPv6 doesn't work this way. Addresses are managed by the =
requesting node unique token, the DUID.
> 2) I have seen many DHCP implementations that use (link-local) probing =
for duplicate detection. This is for some guarantee for non-duplicates =
after a reboot and NV-storage. Quite often, CPE devices don't have =
volatile storage.
> 3) RFC 3315 specifies usage of DAD by the clients (18.1.8), e.g. for =
conflict resolving as result of point 2 above.=20
> So the expectation is built on quicksand.
> Still, I think it is the right approach. Maybe just remove this =
sentence?
>   =20
>=20


Op 10 nov 2010, om 08:25 heeft Ryuji Wakikawa het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>=20
> Here is the last charter sent to IESG.=20
>=20
> regards,
> ryuji
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
> -------------------------------------------
>=20
> Current Status: Active
>=20
> Chairs:
> Ryuji Wakikawa <ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com
> Thomas Clausen <T.Clausen@computer.org
>=20
> Internet Area Directors:
> Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com
> Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net
>=20
> Internet Area Advisor:
> Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net
>=20
> Mailing Lists:
> General Discussion: autoconf@ietf.org
> To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf
> Archive: =
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>=20
> Description of Working Group:
>=20
> RFC 5889 presents one possible IPv6 addressing model for ad hoc
> nodes. In this model the ad hoc routers need to configure their
> network interface(s) with addresses valid in the ad hoc network, and
> may configure additional prefixes for use by attached nodes.
>=20
> After completing the work on RFC 5889, the main purpose of the
> AUTOCONF WG is to standardize how existing IPv6 address configuration
> tools can be used for address configuration.
>=20
> 1. DHCPv6 operation over MANET, including:
>=20
> - A DHCPv6-based mechanism for configuring required interface
> addresses for the routers in the ad hoc network. This mechanism
> is expected to produce addresses with properties outlined in RFC
> 5889. This mechanism uses the existing DHCPv6 protocol unchanged,
> and assumes a central node that can allocate addresses on a
> first-come-first-served basis. Other nodes in the ad hoc network
> will relay messages to the central node in order to help a new
> node get an address for itself. This mechanism is only suitable
> for deployments were a central node can be set up. It should be
> noted that many existing deployments employ Internet gateways
> that can act as such a central node as well. Future extensions
> such as central node election may make this mechanism suitable
> for also for stand-alone ad hoc networks.
>=20
> - A DHCPv6-based mechanism for delegating a prefix(es) to each
> router for use by applications running on the routers themselves,
> or for configuration of attached hosts/networks. This mechanism
> works in a similar manner to the one above, but allocates
> prefixes instead of addresses.
>=20
> Both mechanisms should be independent from operation of any specific
> MANET routing protocol, although may exploit information maintained by
> such a routing protocol, if available.
>=20
> The working group will adapt and/or reuse existing protocols whenever
> reasonable and possible. No new duplicate address detection mechanisms
> are will be specified; it is expected that address uniqueness is
> guaranteed by the central node alone.
>=20
> 2. Analysis of Problem Space for distributed address configuration and
> service discovery.
>=20
> The working group plans to establish design teams for rapidly =
advancing
> towards initial submissions for these two work items.
>=20
> Goals and Milestones:
>=20
> - Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "DHCPv6 operation over =
MANET"
> - Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "Analysis of Problem =
Space"
> -Sep 2011 Submission of the "DHCPv6 operation over MANET" to the IESG =
for publication as BCP
> -Sep 2011 Submission of the "Analysis of Problem Space" the IESG for =
publication as Informational RFC
> -Sep 2011 Rechartering or Closing WG
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Feel free to comment on a draft I just submitted.
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-boot-autoconf-support4hosts-00.txt
Teco.

> Abstract:
> This document describes how hosts using IPv6 Stateless Address
> Autoconfiguration can be used in a MANET, without a need for any
> change, neither in functioning of Neighbor Discovery nor in MANET
> protocols.  In addition, legacy hosts nor other parts of the network
> are faced any deviation on the IPv6 Addressing architecture.


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A modified charter has been submitted for the Ad-Hoc Network
Autoconfiguration (autoconf) working group in the Internet Area of the
IETF.  The IESG has not made any determination as yet.  The modified
charter is provided below for informational purposes only.  Please send
your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday,
December 7, 2010.

Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
-------------------------------------------
Last modified: 2010-11-30
Current Status: Active

Chairs:
  Ryuji Wakikawa <ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com>
  Thomas Clausen <T.Clausen@computer.org>

Internet Area Directors:
  Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>
  Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>

Internet Area Advisor:
  Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>

Mailing Lists:
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Description of Working Group:

RFC 5889 presents one possible IPv6 addressing model for ad hoc
nodes. In this model the ad hoc routers need to configure their
network interface(s) with addresses valid in the ad hoc network, and
may configure additional prefixes for use by attached nodes.

After completing the work on RFC 5889, the main purpose of the
AUTOCONF WG is to standardize how existing IPv6 address configuration
tools can be used for address configuration.

1. DHCPv6 operation over MANET, including:

- A DHCPv6-based mechanism for configuring required interface
addresses for the routers in the ad hoc network. This mechanism
is expected to produce addresses with properties outlined in RFC
5889. This mechanism uses the existing DHCPv6 protocol unchanged,
and assumes a central node that can allocate addresses on a
first-come-first-served basis. Other nodes in the ad hoc network
will relay messages to the central node in order to help a new
node get an address for itself. This mechanism is only suitable
for deployments were a central node can be set up. It should be
noted that many existing deployments employ Internet gateways
that can act as such a central node as well. Future extensions
such as central node election may make this mechanism suitable
for also for stand-alone ad hoc networks.

- A DHCPv6-based mechanism for delegating a prefix(es) to each
router for use by applications running on the routers themselves,
or for configuration of attached hosts/networks. This mechanism
works in a similar manner to the one above, but allocates
prefixes instead of addresses.

Both mechanisms should be independent from operation of any specific
MANET routing protocol, although may exploit information maintained by
such a routing protocol, if available.

The working group will adapt and/or reuse existing protocols whenever
reasonable and possible. No new duplicate address detection mechanisms
are will be specified; it is expected that address uniqueness is
guaranteed by the central node alone.

2. Analysis of Problem Space for distributed address configuration and
service discovery. This analysis is necessary in order to understand
what type of distributed solution(s) can be standardized. There is
already quite a lot of material about possible solutions in the
literature.

The working group plans to establish design teams for rapidly advancing
towards initial submissions for these two work items. The group shall
also work with the 6LOWPAN and ROLL working group to ensure that
the results from AUTOCONF working group are useful for the larger
community and do not overlap with work already in progress in these
other working groups.

Goals and Milestones:

- Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "DHCPv6 operation over 
  MANET"
- Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "Analysis of Problem Space"
- Sep 2011 Submission of the "DHCPv6 operation over MANET" to the IESG 
  for publication as BCP
- Sep 2011 Submission of the "Analysis of Problem Space" the IESG for 
  publication as Informational RFC
- Oct 2011 First working group draft of the "Distributed Solution"
- Jun 2012 Submission of the "Distributed Solution" to the IESG for 
  publication as an Proposed Standard RFC
- Jun 2012 Rechartering or Closing WG

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Hi All,

Just FYI.
Our new charter is in review.=20

As soon as the charter is approved, we need to jump start our activity.

Charlie, Teco, we have two documents about legacy host support. Thanks =
Teco for the new ID.
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-boot-autoconf-support4hosts-00.txt
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-perkins-autoconf-leghost-00.txt

The list of IDs submitted to AUTOCONF WG can be found here.=20
=
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/?name=3Dautoconf&rfcs=3Don&activeD=
rafts=3Don

The charter said the design team formation, but we expect individual =
submissions before that.
Specially I would solicit the DHCP operation document.

If you have idea or problem statement for our charter items, please =
write and submit a draft.

thanks!
ryuji

Begin forwarded message:

> From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
> Date: 2010/11/30 09:42:57GMT-08:00
> To: IETF Announcement list <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Cc: ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com, T.Clausen@computer.org, =
autoconf@ietf.org
> Subject: WG Review: Recharter of Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration =
(autoconf)=20
> Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org
>=20
> A modified charter has been submitted for the Ad-Hoc Network
> Autoconfiguration (autoconf) working group in the Internet Area of the
> IETF.  The IESG has not made any determination as yet.  The modified
> charter is provided below for informational purposes only.  Please =
send
> your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday,
> December 7, 2010.
>=20
> Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration (autoconf)
> -------------------------------------------
> Last modified: 2010-11-30
> Current Status: Active
>=20
> Chairs:
>  Ryuji Wakikawa <ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com>
>  Thomas Clausen <T.Clausen@computer.org>
>=20
> Internet Area Directors:
>  Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>
>  Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
>=20
> Internet Area Advisor:
>  Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
>=20
> Mailing Lists:
>  General Discussion: autoconf@ietf.org
>  To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf
>  Archive:
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/maillist.html
>=20
> Description of Working Group:
>=20
> RFC 5889 presents one possible IPv6 addressing model for ad hoc
> nodes. In this model the ad hoc routers need to configure their
> network interface(s) with addresses valid in the ad hoc network, and
> may configure additional prefixes for use by attached nodes.
>=20
> After completing the work on RFC 5889, the main purpose of the
> AUTOCONF WG is to standardize how existing IPv6 address configuration
> tools can be used for address configuration.
>=20
> 1. DHCPv6 operation over MANET, including:
>=20
> - A DHCPv6-based mechanism for configuring required interface
> addresses for the routers in the ad hoc network. This mechanism
> is expected to produce addresses with properties outlined in RFC
> 5889. This mechanism uses the existing DHCPv6 protocol unchanged,
> and assumes a central node that can allocate addresses on a
> first-come-first-served basis. Other nodes in the ad hoc network
> will relay messages to the central node in order to help a new
> node get an address for itself. This mechanism is only suitable
> for deployments were a central node can be set up. It should be
> noted that many existing deployments employ Internet gateways
> that can act as such a central node as well. Future extensions
> such as central node election may make this mechanism suitable
> for also for stand-alone ad hoc networks.
>=20
> - A DHCPv6-based mechanism for delegating a prefix(es) to each
> router for use by applications running on the routers themselves,
> or for configuration of attached hosts/networks. This mechanism
> works in a similar manner to the one above, but allocates
> prefixes instead of addresses.
>=20
> Both mechanisms should be independent from operation of any specific
> MANET routing protocol, although may exploit information maintained by
> such a routing protocol, if available.
>=20
> The working group will adapt and/or reuse existing protocols whenever
> reasonable and possible. No new duplicate address detection mechanisms
> are will be specified; it is expected that address uniqueness is
> guaranteed by the central node alone.
>=20
> 2. Analysis of Problem Space for distributed address configuration and
> service discovery. This analysis is necessary in order to understand
> what type of distributed solution(s) can be standardized. There is
> already quite a lot of material about possible solutions in the
> literature.
>=20
> The working group plans to establish design teams for rapidly =
advancing
> towards initial submissions for these two work items. The group shall
> also work with the 6LOWPAN and ROLL working group to ensure that
> the results from AUTOCONF working group are useful for the larger
> community and do not overlap with work already in progress in these
> other working groups.
>=20
> Goals and Milestones:
>=20
> - Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "DHCPv6 operation over=20
>  MANET"
> - Jan 2011 First working group draft of the "Analysis of Problem =
Space"
> - Sep 2011 Submission of the "DHCPv6 operation over MANET" to the IESG=20=

>  for publication as BCP
> - Sep 2011 Submission of the "Analysis of Problem Space" the IESG for=20=

>  publication as Informational RFC
> - Oct 2011 First working group draft of the "Distributed Solution"
> - Jun 2012 Submission of the "Distributed Solution" to the IESG for=20
>  publication as an Proposed Standard RFC
> - Jun 2012 Rechartering or Closing WG

