From nobody Wed Jan 6 02:36:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7181ACE70 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id naR4-1yjdKZN for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FEC1ACE6B for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 7350D180471; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:34:31 -0800 (PST) To: ladan@isi.edu, csp@csperkins.org, ben@nostrum.com, alissa@cooperw.in, keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com, roni.even@mail01.huawei.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20160106103431.7350D180471@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:34:31 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: avt@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [AVTCORE] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC4175 (4581) X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 10:36:06 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC4175, "RTP Payload Format for Uncompressed Video". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4175&eid=4581 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: John Fletcher Section: 6.1 Original Text ------------- Security considerations: See section 9 of RFC 4175. Corrected Text -------------- Security considerations: See section 8 of RFC 4175. Notes ----- Wrong section number for Security considerations Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC4175 (draft-ietf-avt-uncomp-video-06) -------------------------------------- Title : RTP Payload Format for Uncompressed Video Publication Date : September 2005 Author(s) : L. Gharai, C. Perkins Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Audio/Video Transport Area : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Wed Jan 6 07:44:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4201A8733; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 07:44:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10eWeBSD5jA8; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 07:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3026D1A8785; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 07:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 34B16180205; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 07:43:08 -0800 (PST) To: john.fletcher@bbc.co.uk, ladan@isi.edu, csp@csperkins.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20160106154308.34B16180205@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 07:43:08 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, iesg@ietf.org, avt@ietf.org Subject: [AVTCORE] [Errata Verified] RFC4175 (4581) X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:44:05 -0000 The following errata report has been verified for RFC4175, "RTP Payload Format for Uncompressed Video". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4175&eid=4581 -------------------------------------- Status: Verified Type: Editorial Reported by: John Fletcher Date Reported: 2016-01-06 Verified by: Ben Campbell (IESG) Section: 6.1 Original Text ------------- Security considerations: See section 9 of RFC 4175. 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In most cases, communication is not guaranteed, and even if it were, there may be other factors affecting information transfer (such as the impossibility of or delays in acquiring the information at the source). Furthermore, if there is no knowledge about the state of the world, getting the appropriate response to an event becomes impossible. Moreover, in situations which demand a negotiated outcome, negotiation is impaired by missing information or uncertainty. Thus, reaching an outcome in such situations requires the development of decision frameworks that account for missing, contradictory or uncertain information. *Topics* The topics for this workshop include, but are not limited to: - Distributed decision making frameworks - Coordination mechanisms for rational agents - Problem solving with incomplete information - Default reasoning - Belief revision in multi-agent systems - Argumentation - Semantic models and ontologies for dynamic environments - Models of trust and reputation for agent populations - Decision theory in multi-agent systems - Speculation and generation of scenarios - Communication efficiency in multi-agent systems - Utility measures in problem solving - Optimization of information exchange - Reasoning under uncertainty - Fault tolerant architectures - Applications (reasoning techniques in dynamic environments such as a medical setting, dispute resolution, task scheduling, etc) *Submission Details* *Submitting paper*s Papers must be formatted according to the Springer LNCS Template, with a maximum length of 12 pages, including figures and references. All proposed papers must be submitted in electronic form (PDF format) using the Paper Submission Page. The submission instructions are the same as the general instructions for PAAMS'16. Templates and more details may be found at http://www.paams.net/submission . *Publication* Accepted papers will be included in the workshop proceedings after a careful review process. At least one of the authors will be required to register and attend the symposium to present the paper in order to include the paper in the workshop proceedings. All accepted papers will be published in the CCIS series of Springer Verlag. *Important Dates* Submission date: 18th January, 2016 Notification date: 22nd February, 2016 Camera-ready deadline: 07th March, 2016 Conference dates: 1st-3rd June, 2016 *New *Special Issue** We are glad to inform that the authors of accepted papers will be invited to submit extended versions of their papers to a Special Issue of the *Iberoamerican Journal of Artificial Intelligence *(indexed by Scopus) on Decision Making in Dynamic Environments. http://polar.lsi.uned.es/revista/index.php/ia *Organizing Committee* Tiago Oliveira, University of Minho, Portugal Jose Carlos Montoya, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain Paulo Novais, University of Minho, Portugal Ken Satoh, National Institute of Informatics, Japan For any questions please contact us at demadie.workshop@gmail.com or Tiago Oliveira directly at toliveira@di.uminho.pt . Best regards, *The Organizing Committee* Tiago Oliveira Jose Carlos Montoya Paulo Novais Ken Satoh --001a1141e9b65627f10528d33ea0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(We apologize for multiple copies)=C2=A0

Please consider to contribute to and/o= r forward to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and= publish original scientific results to the:

Decision Making in Dynamic Information Environments (DeMADIE= ) Workshop
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at the

14th International Co= nference on Practical Applications of Agents and Multiagent Systems (PAAMS&= #39;16)
University of Sevilla (Spain)
1st-3rd June,= 2016

Scope
In multi-agent sy= stems, an agent which is dependent on the arrival of information from other= agents may have to suspend processes if communication fails or if the info= rmation is simply not available. In most cases, communication is not guaran= teed, and even if it were, there may be other factors affecting information= transfer (such as the impossibility of or delays in acquiring the informat= ion at the source). Furthermore, if there is no knowledge about the state o= f the world, getting the appropriate response to an event becomes impossibl= e. Moreover, in situations which demand a negotiated outcome, negotiation i= s impaired by missing information or uncertainty. Thus, reaching an outcome= in such situations requires the development of decision frameworks that ac= count for missing, contradictory or uncertain information.

Topics
The topics for this workshop include, but = are not limited to:

  • Distributed decision m= aking frameworks
  • Coordination mechanisms for rational agents
  • Problem solving with incomplete information
  • Default r= easoning
  • Belief revision in multi-agent systems
  • Arg= umentation
  • Semantic models and ontologies for dynamic environme= nts
  • Models of trust and reputation for agent populations
  • Decision theory in multi-agent systems
  • Speculation and ge= neration of scenarios
  • Communication efficiency in multi-agent s= ystems
  • Utility measures in problem solving
  • Optimiza= tion of information exchange
  • Reasoning under uncertainty
  • Fault tolerant architectures
  • Applications (reasoning tech= niques in dynamic environments such as a medical setting, dispute resolutio= n, task scheduling, etc)

Submissi= on Details

Submitting papers
= Papers must be formatted according to the Springer LNCS Template, with a ma= ximum length of 12 pages, including figures and references. All proposed pa= pers must be submitted in electronic form (PDF format) using the Paper Subm= ission Page. The submission instructions are the same as the general instru= ctions for PAAMS'16. Templates and more details may be found at http://www.paams.net= /submission .

Publication
Acc= epted papers will be included in the workshop proceedings after a careful r= eview process. At least one of the authors will be required to register and= attend the symposium to present the paper in order to include the paper in= the workshop proceedings. All accepted papers will be published in the CCI= S series of Springer Verlag.

Important Dates
Submission date: =C2=A018th January, 2016
Notificatio= n date: =C2=A022nd February, 2016
Camera-ready deadline: 07th Mar= ch, 2016
Conference dates: =C2=A01st-3rd June, 2016
New *Special Issue*

We are glad to inform that the authors of= accepted papers will be invited to submit extended versions of their paper= s to a Special Issue of the Iberoamerican Journal of Artificial Intellig= ence (indexed by Scopus) on Decision Making in Dynamic Environments.=C2= =A0
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Organizing Committee
Tia= go Oliveira, University of Minho, Portugal=C2=A0
Jose Carlos Mont= oya, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain=C2=A0
Paulo Novais, = University of Minho, Portugal=C2=A0
Ken Satoh, National Institute= of Informatics, Japan


For any ques= tions please contact us at demadie.workshop@gmail.com or Tiago Oliveira directly a= t toliveira@di.= uminho.pt .=C2=A0

Best regards,

=
The Organizing Committee
Tiago Oliveira
Jose Carlos Montoya
Paulo Novais
Ken Satoh




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boundary="_000_d019221a0db94127b1e1148c6401531fnalasexr02enaqualcommco_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:30:36 -0800 Subject: [AVTCORE] [payload] RFC 6184 H.264 RPSI/SLI usage X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:28:16 -0000 --_000_d019221a0db94127b1e1148c6401531fnalasexr02enaqualcommco_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, There seems to be no specification of Native RPSI bit string and PictureId = field definitions for H.264 regarding RFC 4585 RPSI and SLI messages. RFC = 6184 doesn't specify anything for these fields for H.264. Only thing I can = find is the RFC 5104 referencing H.271 specification that defines a message= that is similar to RPSI for H.264, but I am not sure whether this is widel= y accepted/used. What is used for H.264 specific fields for RPSI and SLI? This issue was raised before, but had no replies on AVTCORE reflector. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/avt/current/msg14709.html Best regards, Muhammed Coban --_000_d019221a0db94127b1e1148c6401531fnalasexr02enaqualcommco_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

There seems to be no specification of Native RPSI bi= t string and PictureId field definitions for H.264  regarding RFC 4585= RPSI and SLI messages. RFC 6184 doesn’t specify anything for these f= ields for H.264. Only thing I can find is the RFC 5104 referencing H.271 specification that defines a message that is si= milar to RPSI for H.264, but I am not sure whether this is widely accepted/= used.  What is used for H.264 specific fields for RPSI and SLI?

 

This issue was raised before, but had no replies on = AVTCORE reflector.

 

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/avt/current/m= sg14709.html

 

Best regards,

 

Muhammed Coban

 

--_000_d019221a0db94127b1e1148c6401531fnalasexr02enaqualcommco_-- From nobody Tue Jan 19 18:19:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5E11A015F for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:19:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iYKp_IRZQy8m for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A82A11A013F for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.232]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 82KT1s004516pyw012KTJ3; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:19:27 +0000 Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com ([209.85.213.182]) by resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 82HT1s0023wh57V012HTuZ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:17:27 +0000 Received: by mail-ig0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z14so91116807igp.0 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOS/fUlslpu+fR/cr6u3V48MHf8+amc8uzMgqx+3Gwe9lQeu7sX8a8ih8ItGly3KXVzvEzhjtiY57uS48w== X-Received: by 10.50.136.136 with SMTP id qa8mr1114228igb.39.1453256246963; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:17:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.120.134 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:16:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150818173656.46E36180092@rfc-editor.org> <55EFEFF0.5060502@ericsson.com> <5613956B.1090501@ericsson.com> From: Kevin Gross Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:16:47 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "avt@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01536f8c5e365b0529ba9677 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1453256367; bh=bZpFBixQp/HULvhtw2hZWpWQDmAu0dWArV/in0jPvoc=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:From:Date: Message-ID:Subject:To:Content-Type; b=DOXacAYencHkNnTxskC1qFAP6ewJSNafETD+SpqesMTevOOFr9r19UT+aICQxz9wj PiTqC/F7lAVSez/gIPUm9aV4dY9G0I4xSfv5U9gJQX7Y6hlDtYclVbg8AAX+XMomOl /yFAhEXYb8TXPGVOAu3pSlqog4FYdXYp0jjCg8WCejg/GzDL1BhS8fF+TG+4w7gk8y VQeT9ZN4vHTg9h1q7MqBZEpUZNiDEGjmC/DssgZWmT7n3aT6VpdYCYE07b3vZyI0Ab GIlmzuMn+wUreTiQ4D3ea7wEn2DDg6DcKsF6hP+u0IAPXiifiGchaY13thUeEBqNTa A6UEjgY0VSs8A== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Fwd: Technical - Re: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC7273 (4450) X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:19:29 -0000 --089e01536f8c5e365b0529ba9677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The authors are in agreement that the most recent proposal is the desired fix and there doesn't seem to be any dissent in AVTCORE about it. Can we get the errata updated to reflect this most recent proposal? It is still showing my original report - https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D7273 Kevin Gross - AVA Networks On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Kevin Gross wrote: > The authors and I propose the following fix for the reported RFC 7273 > errata. These ABNF changes bring the ABNF specification into agreement wi= th > the examples in the RFC. Current RFC 7273 implementations have been based > on the examples. > > Original Text > ------------- > ; PTP domain allowed characters: 0x21-0x7E (IEEE 1588-2002) > ptp-domain-name =3D "domain-name=3D" 1*16ptp-domain-char > ptp-domain-char =3D %x21-7E > > ; PTP domain allowed number range: 0-127 (IEEE 1588-2008) > ptp-domain-nmbr =3D "domain-nmbr=3D" ptp-domain-dgts > ptp-domain-dgts =3D ptp-domain-n1 / ptp-domain-n2 / ptp-domain-n3 > ptp-domain-n1 =3D DIGIT ; 0-9 > ptp-domain-n2 =3D POS-DIGIT DIGIT ; 10-99 > ptp-domain-n3 =3D ("10"/"11") DIGIT ; 100-119 > / "12" %x30-37 ; 120-127 > > Corrected Text > -------------- > ; PTP domain allowed characters: 0x21-0x7E (IEEE 1588-2002) > ptp-domain-name =3D 1*16ptp-domain-char > ptp-domain-char =3D %x21-7E > > ; PTP domain allowed number range: 0-127 (IEEE 1588-2008) > ptp-domain-nmbr =3D ptp-domain-dgts > ptp-domain-dgts =3D ptp-domain-n1 / ptp-domain-n2 / ptp-domain-n3 > ptp-domain-n1 =3D DIGIT ; 0-9 > ptp-domain-n2 =3D POS-DIGIT DIGIT ; 10-99 > ptp-domain-n3 =3D ("10"/"11") DIGIT ; 100-119 > / "12" %x30-37 ; 120-127 > > > Kevin Gross - AVA Networks > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Kevin Gross > wrote: > >> Yes, I will take your discussion into account when proposing final ABNF >> changes. I wanted first to make sure there were no objection to the gene= ral >> proposal of fixing this by conforming ABNF to examples. Since we have se= en >> no objections, I will proceed to prepare a revision. >> >> Kevin Gross - AVA Networks >> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Magnus Westerlund < >> magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> Can you please review my previous email in detail: >>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/avt/kjoyUZh-9c4lYMM6pXQhH30TebY >>> >>> I think you need to confirm on what changes that is really proposed >>> here, and thus my feedback is relevant for this. >>> >>> However, I have so far seen no one objecting to the general intention t= o >>> at least make alignment with the examples? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Magnus Westerlund >>> (AVTCORE chair) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Magnus Westerlund >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 >>> F=C3=A4r=C3=B6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 >>> SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >> > --089e01536f8c5e365b0529ba9677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The authors are in agreement that the most recent proposal= is the desired fix and there doesn't seem to be any dissent in AVTCORE= about it. Can we get the errata updated to reflect this most recent propos= al? It is still showing my original report -=C2=A0https://www.rfc-editor.org/errat= a_search.php?rfc=3D7273

Kevin Gross - AVA N= etworks

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Kevin Gross = <kevin.gross@avanw.com> wrote:
The authors and I propose the following fix for t= he reported RFC 7273 errata. These ABNF changes bring the ABNF specificatio= n into agreement with the examples in the RFC. Current RFC 7273 implementat= ions have been based on the examples.

Original Text
-------------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0; PTP domain allowed= characters: 0x21-0x7E (IEEE 1588-2002)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-name =3D "domain-name=3D&qu= ot; 1*16ptp-domain-char
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-char =3D %x21-7E<= /div>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0; PTP domain allowed number range: 0-127 (IEEE 1= 588-2008)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-nmbr =3D "domain-nmbr=3D&q= uot; ptp-domain-dgts
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-dgts =3D ptp-domain-= n1 / ptp-domain-n2 / ptp-domain-n3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-n1 =C2= =A0 =3D DIGIT =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ; 0-9
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-n2 =C2=A0 =3D POS-DIGIT DIGIT =C2=A0 ; 10-99
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-n3 =C2=A0 =3D ("10"/"11") DIGI= T ; 100-119
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/ "12" %x30-37 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0; 120-127

Corrected Text
--------------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0; PTP domain allowed characters: 0x21-0x7E (IEEE 1588-2002)<= /span>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-name =3D 1*16ptp-domain-char
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-char =3D %x21-7E

=C2=A0 =C2=A0; PTP domain allowed number range: 0-= 127 (IEEE 1588-2008)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-nmbr =3D ptp-domain-= dgts
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-dgts =3D ptp-domain-n1 / ptp-domain-= n2 / ptp-domain-n3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-domain-n1 =C2=A0 =3D DIGIT = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ; 0-9
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ptp-= domain-n2 =C2=A0 =3D POS-DIGIT DIGIT =C2=A0 ; 10-99
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= ptp-domain-n3 =C2=A0 =3D ("10"/"11") DIGIT ; 100-119
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0/ "12" %x30-37 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0; 120-127


Kevin Gross - AVA Networ= ks

On Thu, Oct 8,= 2015 at 12:37 PM, Kevin Gross <kevin.gross@avanw.com> w= rote:
Yes, I will take y= our discussion into account when proposing final ABNF changes. I wanted fir= st to make sure there were no objection to the general proposal of fixing t= his by conforming ABNF to examples. Since we have seen no objections, I wil= l proceed to prepare a revision.

Kevin Gross - AVA Networks
<= /div>
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:33= AM, Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>= ; wrote:
Hi Kevin,

Can you please review my previous email in detail:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ar= ch/msg/avt/kjoyUZh-9c4lYMM6pXQhH30TebY

I think you need to confirm on what changes that is really proposed here, a= nd thus my feedback is relevant for this.

However, I have so far seen no one objecting to the general intention to at= least make alignment with the examples?

Cheers

Magnus Westerlund
(AVTCORE chair)


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Magnus Westerlund

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F=C3=A4r=C3=B6gatan 6=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0| Mobile +46 73 0949079
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avt@ietf.org, timebow@163.com Subject: [AVTCORE] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC3611 (4597) X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 06:11:42 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC3611, "RTP Control Protocol Extended Reports (RTCP XR)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3611&eid=4597 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Liu Yuanlong Section: 4.7.2 Original Text ------------- burst density 84, which corresponds to 33% Corrected Text -------------- burst density 85, which corresponds to 33% Notes ----- error calculation for burst density, burst density=4/12*256=85.33...≈85 Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC3611 (draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-report-extns-06) -------------------------------------- Title : RTP Control Protocol Extended Reports (RTCP XR) Publication Date : November 2003 Author(s) : T. Friedman, Ed., R. Caceres, Ed., A. Clark, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Audio/Video Transport Area : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Tue Jan 26 12:26:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DAB1B2CF7 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l-GYzg82UJna for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from implementers.org (implementers.org [IPv6:2604:3400:dc1:41:216:3eff:fe5b:8240]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7135E1B2CF5 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:5c0:1400:b::1121] (petithug.broker.freenet6.net [IPv6:2001:5c0:1400:b::1121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Marc Petit-Huguenin", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A3A5200F3; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:26:39 +0100 (CET) To: Paul Kyzivat , avt@ietf.org References: <55894FE8.6080406@ericsson.com> <55FB1E25.7020702@acm.org> <55FC3935.6050605@alum.mit.edu> <560522EF.5000608@acm.org> <56055974.5060702@alum.mit.edu> From: Marc Petit-Huguenin X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A7D67A.10408@acm.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:26:34 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56055974.5060702@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-02 X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:26:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Sorry for the delay in processing this. See my answer inline. On 09/25/2015 07:25 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 9/25/15 6:33 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> On 09/18/2015 10:17 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >>> On 9/17/15 4:10 PM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: >>> >>>>> K. Section 3: >>>>> >>>>> When new values or ranges are added, they MUST be tested in >>>>> ascending order. >>>>> >>>> >>>> This text should not talk about adding new values/ranges. Changed >>>> the text to: >>>> >>>> "The various range values for the first byte MUST be tested in >>>> ascending order." >>> >>> I just reviewed this, and I have no idea what it means. I see nothing >>> about Figure 3 that requires testing to be done in a particular >>> order. The *text* suggests an if/then/else or switch statement >>> implementation. But the code generated for a switch statement may >>> well be a lookup table and so have no particular ordering. >>> >>> The only time ordering would matter would be if the ranges >>> overlapped. And IIUC the goal here that the ranges *not* overlap. >> >> The reason we added this was to plan when a new overlapping range is added (mostly because someone ignored the advices provided by this draft). If the algorithm says today that range must be checked in ascending order, then *all* implementations will work (or, most likely, fail) in a similar way. That sentence is meant to explicitly prevent using a lookup table or perfect hashing or whatever technique that would prevent things to fail identically everywhere. >> >> That said the sentence can probably be improved. > > Yes. > > Do you consider overlapping ranges to be an error, and want the error to be handled deterministically? Or are you thinking that there may be overt changes that legally define overlapping ranges and want to make the meaning deterministic? > > If there is a deterministic choice when ranges overlap, then that seems to effectively update one of the ranges so that they don't overlap. After more discussions between authors, we decided to remove the section about ordering altogether. We now think that even if the proposal is not as future-proof as possible, it is good enough. Thanks. - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/petithug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWp9ZoAAoJECnERZXWan7Eg9oQALxnxiHdd+pW0rBxWr4IlMfH E+HPFapkzpfLAofPzh3Kx0UBWBJLM+zD4NHtgNKxEsrHc8fNuhI9tVLwxPeX4Qal 8LEVkAf0VLu9LzjvCNkeDtHxT4H40ioBhqeqARpU+4apPtftziG8oiye6e8lVpwy 00sXoKGea69UxW8zQg9/lCPtcwfV1Epa1zJPLYCxC6Kv6b9i7jbGf8dzW+8zI5Rr xS0J6CHvq3hgI20axedYJrZwAkhNIkGxfcNkQC2c9J7K5yf1eyZf1k1Rg3XYacwE cnr819fOXh+52P4pToAtmYqiAB5MkhkznJ5C5cDDx3aacnuzfOsxt5/RBEmhavI7 pqX4NalNNU0JAbo+mlxXHsdUrg2Ym6ZP3JZMRwdnttKTSJMMPXMp5kErFpuVtTUB 0Pp5mZFCxLkqvbY8J/WcESlMisgYtNJArJoB64rg1y9fkMrJwBR2L6QxZAjxkGwx 7/qgMmnSJJ3taspWa6NXPdKfx3KNsEPi7N7rhAohpeddEGNq4tdzv6jcyP4fUw42 B77BXc5y/itp9EmB1M6ipPGIyfmXuu0hIEg04/8B6N281nGN5gdx4efWS2PpCHih kfkyZWEdbNNRHJMYmlrzAJhdE0/wdyFN+fhJOTPQgysjLvzsIhWR/JXiBLhH3d+o qB62Yh2IlxGKcds5SKUZ =oWoq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Tue Jan 26 12:28:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietf.org Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236C51B2CFD; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:28:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160126202806.8798.61005.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:28:06 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: avt@ietf.org Subject: [AVTCORE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-04.txt X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:28:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : Multiplexing Scheme Updates for Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP) Extension for Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin Gonzalo Salgueiro Filename : draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-04.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2016-01-26 Abstract: This document defines how Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS), Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP), Real-time Transport Control Protocol (RTCP), Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN), and Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN) packets are multiplexed on a single receiving socket. It overrides the guidance from SRTP Extension for DTLS [RFC5764], which suffered from three issues described and fixed in this document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jan 26 12:28:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591491B2D0B; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:28:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pyprHQFPtD5S; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:28:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from implementers.org (implementers.org [173.246.102.69]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A911B2D02; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:5c0:1400:b::1121] (petithug.broker.freenet6.net [IPv6:2001:5c0:1400:b::1121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Marc Petit-Huguenin", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28538200F3; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:28:15 +0100 (CET) To: Magnus Westerlund , avt@ietf.org, draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes@ietf.org References: <20151019221040.17412.81332.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56261C39.8060208@ericsson.com> From: Marc Petit-Huguenin X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A7D6DD.2050301@acm.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:28:13 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56261C39.8060208@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Comments on draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-03.txt X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:28:23 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Sorry for the delay in processing this. See answers inline. On 10/20/2015 03:49 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote: > Hi, > > I have looked at the updated draft. I think you have resolved my previous comments, thank you. However, I still have some comments. > > 1. Split the introduction chapter. The introduction is much more than an introduction. I think the sub-sections likely belong in a new section after the introduction that discusses the issues and intended changes in depth. However, they are not introduction. > Done. > 2. Section 1.3: > > I still are uncertain if TURN channels needs the whole range 64 to 79. I think the text should be explicit about how many turn channels this support. So according to my math the proposed change is from 64-127 to 64-79, i.e. the available number of channels has been reduced from 16384 to 4096. That still a large number of channels. > > What number of channels are currently used by implementations? I expect that to be single digit, or am I missing some use cases? We think these questions would be better answered by people implementing RFC 5764, so we left the range as is. One can imagine an allocation scheme where higher channel numbers are used, without necessarily using many channels. What you propose would negatively impact these implementations. Until we hear from implementors, we would prefer to keep it as written. > > 3. Section 1.4: > > I still don't see how what is written in this section results in any improvement. You authors have assumptions of how this needs to be implemented that isn't written down. Looking on this problem of demultiplexing I would build a table driven solution based on the ranges, where the packet is sent to the relevant protocol based on the table-lookup. If that protocol don't use that value, that will be the end of the road for that packet as invalid, rather than giving it to any other protocol. I get the impression that you want one to send the packet for testing by the protocols one after each other according to the order the protocols are listed. I still don't see that implementations will do that. Based on the discussion with Paul Kyzivat and you, we decided to remove that section altogether. With that, we believe that all pending issues are now resolved, which in our opinion makes the draft ready for WGLC. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance > avt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt > - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/petithug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWp9bdAAoJECnERZXWan7EPVcP/0iXm8r4OVe9deIaELtuB/vs 12F2seMTOgVk0DBBoNipLS5MNrzRsDSbp+ORc/mBOFbyXjACDGBIx5q4Bz86+oJz bbPg0bFXZxHlxMXZzK76iZ28fw7w2BfnKKs65lrV3ICzgZ1UvfFy5OuD1Kb78gqf aWHdKTmKa8pLwGoTter2xfZ7XMyCG/PkEVnWVfvOSjHmUbIqovGjvClaohO4U8u+ jWfYbcZKaT5jeONkh7J9czWyIi4yGKangFrnbHUUEYMtzWoNXZQrEmOPiTTAg4Sj Va281BqX8Dv4p+eXFtKtTVTztpjOupZJM6N+IyAB5Rp2gCwTWOf5k3ryEgYdWug+ 9SPZBpwc77RtmapyNryFXayMjjOSBzG7/LsLArQWXBEX3+RHzs5OGKJjZyR81gdQ ZHIqpGuOWrAEqQN9Ff3cfERZBZEpleO/iyXwkXMxSXDrX1dRnequ0Tb5nKS3CJZh Xbhh1mogFIQUrSdL32tYn42abuZhgZZd8jAk/oTozyMQxW9AzGTGvyDlTnVj/c5D w6+qXH0UW89eTyUaBO1ioUda9wdtie4mnp8NCOVMD6nQQaFEn5P9LJgeI+OYRajr bDtOCaZssLFy8BA9+nsZ07uhsHW3lXJyPBW0NKgX1ZRFD+q4Hhk6dJMGcdAdSLhC 0CwjIw9eUzjnUX/VCc/w =lyQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Tue Jan 26 13:41:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486B41B31C1 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:41:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EitqSYrFXzzM for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33B0C1B31BB for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Alfn1s00826dK1R01lhkvR; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:41:44 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([73.218.51.154]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Alhj1s00V3KdFy101lhjyN; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:41:44 +0000 To: Marc Petit-Huguenin , avt@ietf.org References: <55894FE8.6080406@ericsson.com> <55FB1E25.7020702@acm.org> <55FC3935.6050605@alum.mit.edu> <560522EF.5000608@acm.org> <56055974.5060702@alum.mit.edu> <56A7D67A.10408@acm.org> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <56A7E817.9020708@alum.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:41:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56A7D67A.10408@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1453844504; bh=+QqVtQQtz65C0/JuNM+yZIOiDQaFYs7xzohTx55z9cg=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=t/OM+eLzB7t9JquSQQDyvduKywRGOavvyZ2LCSuESqsE3xH8WzmugYG+Mp1ON1JvH qDaadshl51lv4RL5yjVgd7MZqvRaLnjzdLAXarLfRWiO0v7E+pT4E3EwRn8gB7ZhYQ CKgAWEju8extq8+EiBB6Aa2fZlcZyb/wX0JKItdnJzzEAq81/6rcowSK8uN8XiIODJ z9ftgJ1XLB5PQDfxbxRQFYJWytzXKGfkXjcuMLrhI/BgJmMEuWvCA9mazIkt85P4L6 QorwD2B4m3heN3uo3KWUedv8JeHiyReGIxzbNCJ+Bk04tEIWpmSHfHp/sYidha+dbs ntbZn905E/z3Q== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-02 X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:41:46 -0000 On 1/26/16 3:26 PM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: > After more discussions between authors, we decided to remove the section about ordering altogether. We now think that even if the proposal is not as future-proof as possible, it is good enough. This works better for me. Thanks! A few comments on -04: * Section 5 (Terminology): This is now section 5. That seems wrong. The document will read better if you make it section 2. * Section 6 (RFC5764 Updates): The new text still has some remnants of the ordering. In particular: "Then if ... Then if ... Then if ... Else if ...". I suggest changing this to "If ... If ... If ... If ...". Otherwise I'm happy. Thanks, Paul From nobody Tue Jan 26 14:08:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietf.org Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929D71B3211; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:08:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160126220824.11160.87092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:08:24 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: avt@ietf.org Subject: [AVTCORE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05.txt X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:08:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : Multiplexing Scheme Updates for Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP) Extension for Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin Gonzalo Salgueiro Filename : draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2016-01-26 Abstract: This document defines how Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS), Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP), Real-time Transport Control Protocol (RTCP), Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN), and Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN) packets are multiplexed on a single receiving socket. It overrides the guidance from SRTP Extension for DTLS [RFC5764], which suffered from three issues described and fixed in this document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jan 26 14:09:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9A01B3228 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:08:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j98_Ml36y4TL for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B15A21B3211 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:08:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1132; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453846135; x=1455055735; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=lT0JM5Y62F0P13bzFhTlFkHG/T4gCO00+edd6loA320=; b=mQPEJBqrSl874FRf45ScK3tIFvo3jbld2VWSnC4zb6TxXVwiMNyAtcY5 xT3iLXPqbgMRC0nCgViehdQWOkniNDCqeXc/gCMz/d9wj2s8igdlLsCMK YOHp2nYYyGKiz4Lr4QA867F2V0KibPFFLb+81buDuNg1cJKgqDV2Vnw0A c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AAAgAe7adW/5ldJa1eDoMsUm0GiFGyH?= =?us-ascii?q?QENgWIYCoVtAoFQOBQBAQEBAQEBgQqEQQEBAQMBAQEBNz8FCwIBCA4KHhAnCyU?= =?us-ascii?q?CBA4FiBMIDr50AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEQSGMgGCAoJphEmDLoEPB?= =?us-ascii?q?ZZ5AY1VgV6Ha4UwinCDUQEeAQFCgy08aodIfAEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,351,1449532800"; d="scan'208";a="231612412" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 26 Jan 2016 22:08:54 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com (xch-aln-008.cisco.com [173.36.7.18]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0QM8ssv028341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:08:54 GMT Received: from xch-aln-009.cisco.com (173.36.7.19) by XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com (173.36.7.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:08:53 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-009.cisco.com ([173.36.7.19]) by XCH-ALN-009.cisco.com ([173.36.7.19]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:08:53 -0600 From: "Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)" To: Paul Kyzivat Thread-Topic: [AVTCORE] Review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-02 Thread-Index: AQHRWIJh7X0E1jc5qUW4H3Jzl9ERrZ8Ov9mA Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:08:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55894FE8.6080406@ericsson.com> <55FB1E25.7020702@acm.org> <55FC3935.6050605@alum.mit.edu> <560522EF.5000608@acm.org> <56055974.5060702@alum.mit.edu> <56A7D67A.10408@acm.org> <56A7E817.9020708@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <56A7E817.9020708@alum.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.235.50] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Marc Petit-Huguenin , "avt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-02 X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:08:59 -0000 Thanks for the review, Paul. Posted an -05 addressing both your points. Cheers, Gonzalo > On Jan 26, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >=20 > On 1/26/16 3:26 PM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: >=20 >> After more discussions between authors, we decided to remove the section= about ordering altogether. We now think that even if the proposal is not = as future-proof as possible, it is good enough. >=20 > This works better for me. Thanks! >=20 > A few comments on -04: >=20 > * Section 5 (Terminology): >=20 > This is now section 5. That seems wrong. The document will read better if= you make it section 2. >=20 > * Section 6 (RFC5764 Updates): >=20 > The new text still has some remnants of the ordering. In particular: "The= n if ... Then if ... Then if ... Else if ...". >=20 > I suggest changing this to "If ... If ... If ... If ...". >=20 > Otherwise I'm happy. >=20 > Thanks, > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance > avt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt From nobody Tue Jan 26 15:27:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273171B333C for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:27:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LYVXCFtWuebi for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABAFB1B333B for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.109]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AnQA1s0012N9P4d01nTY0A; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:27:32 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([73.218.51.154]) by resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AnTY1s0043KdFy101nTYkn; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:27:32 +0000 To: "Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)" References: <55894FE8.6080406@ericsson.com> <55FB1E25.7020702@acm.org> <55FC3935.6050605@alum.mit.edu> <560522EF.5000608@acm.org> <56055974.5060702@alum.mit.edu> <56A7D67A.10408@acm.org> <56A7E817.9020708@alum.mit.edu> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <56A800E3.6070901@alum.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:27:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1453850852; bh=wlZkjRoVtuGoz/zOXt+Pk745DrUU77BYOIHEjqRZZ0Q=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dPrvBa8cYMZRyADachk7vNTwq9cZ7RFgK7xJWpskAoxyGtp4pTmkP25tVdvE/Ctwx ek0MmTvSuixqbBRAm+wIkDXnGRFVGgyFs4DgnAgObQ1su7L7vfusjI/00JRWOilP3s 8Jj6NeH4dpmvJDfZPWNKtpo1flPke/HpyxWrU0hgvlVJCFe+jjGzE1vH9eDhmwDVbO 03DjG0DMPMZgDP8HByFdfEpe8KopIGpNWJ8VR0sp8wqgct/wLsLg+Eby7juxORJbX5 Mws+z2XfcLX9IRr2HFK3GenXjM8mjg8HvDO5cnKDcwWGBpdd+bidUMFb+6uM/+W7Q3 EWjLm6jH2odKQ== Archived-At: Cc: Marc Petit-Huguenin , "avt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] Review of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-02 X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:27:35 -0000 On 1/26/16 5:08 PM, Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) wrote: > Thanks for the review, Paul. Posted an -05 addressing both your points. OK. I'm satisfied! Thanks, Paul > Cheers, > > Gonzalo > > >> On Jan 26, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> >> On 1/26/16 3:26 PM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: >> >>> After more discussions between authors, we decided to remove the section about ordering altogether. We now think that even if the proposal is not as future-proof as possible, it is good enough. >> >> This works better for me. Thanks! >> >> A few comments on -04: >> >> * Section 5 (Terminology): >> >> This is now section 5. That seems wrong. The document will read better if you make it section 2. >> >> * Section 6 (RFC5764 Updates): >> >> The new text still has some remnants of the ordering. In particular: "Then if ... Then if ... Then if ... Else if ...". >> >> I suggest changing this to "If ... If ... If ... If ...". >> >> Otherwise I'm happy. >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance >> avt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt > > From nobody Wed Jan 27 01:39:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0661B379B; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 01:39:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C1iQiAq8FruC; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 01:39:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DDA11B3794; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 01:39:28 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-f79a76d000000a93-6c-56a8904e04e5 Received: from ESESSHC013.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.57]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E4.F5.02707.E4098A65; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:39:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.248.2; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:39:25 +0100 To: IETF AVTCore WG , "tls@ietf.org" From: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: <56A8904D.10307@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:39:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7pa7fhBVhBr9nq1m87FnJbvHpfBej A5PHkiU/mQIYo7hsUlJzMstSi/TtErgyWk+sZCz4z1Yx95BFA+ND1i5GDg4JAROJ/S+Euxg5 gUwxiQv31rN1MXJxCAkcZpT4+usWK4SznFFixsGfjCBVIgKOEvs/r2IHsdkELCRu/mhkA7GF BRwkfn7dygxi8wpoSsz7OgGsnkVAVeL62fesILaoQIzExc4jTBA1ghInZz5hATmCWcBe4sHW MpAws4C8RPPW2WBjhAS0JRqaOlgnMPLNQtIxC6FjFpKOBYzMqxhFi1OLk3LTjYz0Uosyk4uL 8/P08lJLNjECw+rglt8GOxhfPnc8xCjAwajEw2twaHmYEGtiWXFl7iFGCQ5mJRFe8cgVYUK8 KYmVValF+fFFpTmpxYcYpTlYlMR5D/IvChMSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYLJMnFwSjUwWs9Tmqvp3LRq D9f23xlBog8/vFrqtscw8fa7xTYPC1iXXPStfCLRX3Pnx785k6YvNJihtMLuyNvZz9c0zEy1 zP3z9qGivoFnqtT1+e+MnN7NnRV9wOYhT9aXA5fcpq8sXP7YxtnB0Nf/rlv7W8V/0v+ORHBM 1Ui8+W6Se99HJQfXzwUZU+L6IpVYijMSDbWYi4oTAQ6XPsYnAgAA Archived-At: Subject: [AVTCORE] WG last call of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05 X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:39:31 -0000 AVTCORE and TLS, TLS WG, you are included in this WG last call, as this document affects the TLS ContentType IANA registry. 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The document can be retrieved here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes/ Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Jan 27 02:42:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919881A1BDA for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:42:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jqoc_l8Da0p1 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from haggis.mythic-beasts.com (haggis.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D95351A1BD2 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 02:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.209.247.112] (port=56060 helo=mangole.dcs.gla.ac.uk) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1aONYq-0003NA-Pj; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:42:54 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Colin Perkins In-Reply-To: <56A8904D.10307@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:42:48 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <906D8843-7B11-4D8E-BAE1-F2DD37F48858@csperkins.org> References: <56A8904D.10307@ericsson.com> To: Magnus Westerlund X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: -28 X-Mythic-Debug: Threshold = On = Archived-At: Cc: IETF AVTCore WG Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] WG last call of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05 X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:42:57 -0000 > On 27 Jan 2016, at 09:39, Magnus Westerlund = wrote: >=20 > AVTCORE and TLS, >=20 > TLS WG, you are included in this WG last call, as this document = affects the TLS ContentType IANA registry. >=20 > This email starts a two week WG last call, that ends on the 10th of = February. The intended status of this document is standards track = (Proposed Standard). This looks fine to me, with two trivial editorial suggestions: - Abstract and Introduction: RTCP should expand to =93RTP Control = Protocol=94, not =93Real-time Control Protocol=94.=20 - More important, for the new version of Figure 3, rather than =93forward = to RTP=94 you might want to write =93forward to RTP/RTCP=94 to make it = clear that multiplexed RTCP packets can be present. Colin --=20 Colin Perkins https://csperkins.org/ From nobody Wed Jan 27 06:29:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16501B2EB3 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:29:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nK6cBtuvgwGF for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 696871B2EAC for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:29:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1274; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453904970; x=1455114570; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=V1vYb3JjGaelR9WsjbGkAZWmbPYdKs8+OSmLJ0lCsI4=; b=MhkPuLeQeJo5HnSV9f9gf1h3leH4nXGtLUU8yLsoTFfXnQGMet3ZbvR/ peMOqD5OnY0r01AC/Um5JBTWglENxKIjSPkjibFoDuR3Nag3LrMRZZaxj L/SINyk8OpSDPT02rGoGuURtbXpM5Vnosf8JHm8KclpHWHV5nrOCD8Ziz 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AOAgDH06hW/49dJa1egzpSbYhXsT4BD?= =?us-ascii?q?YFiGAqFbQKBRjgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhEEBAQEDAQEBAXYQAgEIDgouJwslAgQOBYg?= =?us-ascii?q?TCA69agEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAREEhhQBgWyCSoQJEQEcgy6BDwWWe?= =?us-ascii?q?wGFRogPgV+NG4pxg1EBHgEBQoNsaocUgTEBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,354,1449532800"; d="scan'208";a="70345805" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 27 Jan 2016 14:29:29 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com (xch-aln-008.cisco.com [173.36.7.18]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0RETTIv017842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:29:29 GMT Received: from xch-aln-009.cisco.com (173.36.7.19) by XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com (173.36.7.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:29:28 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-009.cisco.com ([173.36.7.19]) by XCH-ALN-009.cisco.com ([173.36.7.19]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:29:28 -0600 From: "Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)" To: Colin Perkins Thread-Topic: [AVTCORE] WG last call of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05 Thread-Index: AQHRWO+B3faF8Dg8akSWW9iMUzBJ+J8PbGP+ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:29:28 +0000 Message-ID: <0BD89039-8BAE-47F8-9D88-48F8AF4D1FA1@cisco.com> References: <56A8904D.10307@ericsson.com>, <906D8843-7B11-4D8E-BAE1-F2DD37F48858@csperkins.org> In-Reply-To: <906D8843-7B11-4D8E-BAE1-F2DD37F48858@csperkins.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Magnus Westerlund , IETF AVTCore WG Subject: Re: [AVTCORE] WG last call of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-05 X-BeenThere: avt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:29:32 -0000 Thanks, Colin. We'll address both of your comments in the next version. Regards, Gonzalo On Jan 27, 2016, at 2:43 AM, Colin Perkins wrote: >> On 27 Jan 2016, at 09:39, Magnus Westerlund wrote: >>=20 >> AVTCORE and TLS, >>=20 >> TLS WG, you are included in this WG last call, as this document affects = the TLS ContentType IANA registry. >>=20 >> This email starts a two week WG last call, that ends on the 10th of Febr= uary. The intended status of this document is standards track (Proposed Sta= ndard). >=20 > This looks fine to me, with two trivial editorial suggestions: >=20 > - Abstract and Introduction: RTCP should expand to =93RTP Control Protoco= l=94, not =93Real-time Control Protocol=94.=20 >=20 > - More important, for the new version of Figure 3, rather than =93forward= to RTP=94 you might want to write =93forward to RTP/RTCP=94 to make it cle= ar that multiplexed RTCP packets can be present. >=20 > Colin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Colin Perkins > https://csperkins.org/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance > avt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt