From nobody Fri Oct 2 06:29:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ACA1AC3A5 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 06:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mMPPo7dZ200L for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 06:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54C531A3B9F for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 06:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qkbi190 with SMTP id i190so22230396qkb.1 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 06:29:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=Q8OgN9aGPzSf9zliEUAKBC0GSlntWKnEtRMU1EVvJqY=; b=pBNB4Nsq8ST5zmYYJvwvpDgqozaxRWptuLZTe502QanpuQULYJqoqvTc7WqxlQwu/u Ew2/1i01qO8GWSKWqzgtmPY1xzt/6SKWZSpMVEoplRBCzvETiNm2NLc1S0ikDgThLX70 vCq57J4GK5AhgVzMsD1asjBHZEcXRZ9EbJ/jAdLAu2uwz2an9U+I+ZjY9trHh/WBZfTN zfJpTZ9GiVloEQLS9ld87IstWfLXyYDbAZj8yVxoAML/MQjuQZNX4/Q2BhX5IetmZDbU NtH5l8oleU9SED9h4rwoO9IDnvEDqUQtb7QxdN1RO10KO8/Kl9CLf+i285OKh8EgfkC1 nAHA== X-Received: by 10.55.26.14 with SMTP id a14mr11266063qka.99.1443792567511; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 06:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from new-host-3.home (pool-108-7-232-158.bstnma.fios.verizon.net. [108.7.232.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b73sm4648210qka.14.2015.10.02.06.29.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Oct 2015 06:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Margaret Cullen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:29:26 -0400 To: "" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Meeting in Yokohama X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:29:32 -0000 Would it make sense for us to hold another Babel-related meeting = (perhaps a scheduled Bar BOF) in Yokohama? Are folks working on any = drafts or other Babel-related efforts that it would make sense to = discuss there? If so, we could ask Alia to help us get a room, etc. Margaret From nobody Sat Oct 3 01:40:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923DE1B35BC for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 01:40:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.15 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id px09nuF5IYIp for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 01:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F276A1B35BB for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 01:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id t938e2eM020918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:40:02 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id t938e2nS007536; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:40:02 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEC461FA7; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:40:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id v0dyQ-gVEXcs; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:40:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8841161FA2; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:40:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 10:40:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87d1ww4a71.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Margaret Cullen In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sat, 03 Oct 2015 10:40:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sat, 03 Oct 2015 10:40:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 560F9462.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 08:40:06 -0000 > Would it make sense for us to hold another Babel-related meeting > (perhaps a scheduled Bar BOF) in Yokohama? I'm currently looking into our lab's budget for 2015 to find out whether I can afford Yokohama. If it turns out that I can come, we'll definitely want to be organising something. -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Oct 28 04:25:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40561B51BB for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X9QHezRERhIC for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAEA21B51BF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id t9SBPiOo030384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:44 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id t9SBPitj022806 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:44 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D47761FA5 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id I71Q7WG0Je8G for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DEAD261FA1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87h9lbw7yg.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:44 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:25:44 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5630B0B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:25:46 -0000 Dear all, I'm unfortunately unable to come to Yokohama. My teaching load decreases dramatically after December, I'm hopeful we'll be able to organise something at the next IETF. -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Oct 28 04:44:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F4B1B522E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:44:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RqUeqKjXF9b7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 359E51B522A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id t9SBi6nm008000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:06 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id t9SBi6J9030287 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:06 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E89661FA5 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id vxct9cWCT_aB for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CCE161FAA for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:06 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:44:06 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5630B506.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:44:09 -0000 As many of you may know, the Homenet WG has chosen source-specific Babel as the Homenet mandatory-to-implement routing protocol. This choice is experimental, and may be reviewed in the future if Babel doesn't work out. At the same time, WLAN-SI is currently working on deploying Babel at a significant scale throughout Slovenia (a smallish European country where I happen to like the food -- any excuse to go to Slovenia is welcome). In the light of the above, here's what I think needs to be done urgently in order to make the Homenet and the WLAN-SI people happy. I've marked with (X) the points with which I'd appreciate help, with (*) the ones I'll do on my own. (X) push draft-boutier-babel-source-specific as an experimental RFC. This has been ready for years now, I guess the ISE is busy. (*) fix draft-chroboczek-babel-diversity-routing. This has two problems -- the protocol description is slightly inaccurate (the treatment of octets with value 0 are described incorrectly, and doesn't correspond to the implementation), and the IANA considerations are not in synch with the IANA registry. (X) implement the MTI subset of RFC 7298 (HMAC authentication) within the reference implementation of Babel (it's currently implemented in the Quagga branch only). (X) write an experimental draft that describes precisely the minimum Homenet profile of Babel. I'll write my thoughts on the Homenet mailing list. (*) merge Boutier's patches for policy routing (needed by WLAN-SI, who have multiple default routes but don't need source-specific routing). Plenty of work. Exam session is almost over for me, so I have good hope that I'll have the energy to do some fun stuff soon. -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Oct 28 09:22:20 2015 Return-Path: <7riw77@gmail.com> X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63331A8831 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 415IZOQqFN-z for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x235.google.com (mail-qg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F2A71A90EE for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgem9 with SMTP id m9so10784707qge.1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:22:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=4D5bMFLUi9aka5D7OCqk97Wzj9K9RQgRfWEMU0caeeQ=; b=QFArrd4b1OfyaLXx0Idc/xn9OnQgGke083bUzeRPUFQx0h1KvULH2821YEVM8rF1fY ojohZoFdMtclEXcHRyAxsc8ITlW1JJkiN3b0RURGQqhgYp2oY4zle3ISYQwrwUXe1khl rU6rgHTNEC9CEupAZCNF8RRMekPjbqFkjaE/t9L3hhBgGW/u5+ZhO8pTRLTNwx8i/EnB ckXTf2/KzzpXKDVctsYBWim4xvmfBNEc3mUi/1STdMOsl3PkTBh9fWOYOxHug5jSw4En aduP3zAxcRR9UkYCHDT4BENHi6DeO73KDvNi7oY8ZRHsy5gnlHj3PihHMONDw64/oWap 4SEQ== X-Received: by 10.140.101.105 with SMTP id t96mr57791709qge.53.1446049336202; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Russ (static-108-16-229-30.phlapa.fios.verizon.net. [108.16.229.30]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 86sm1747469qky.24.2015.10.28.09.22.15 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com> To: "'Juliusz Chroboczek'" , References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> In-Reply-To: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <01a101d1119c$ccbca320$6635e960$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQIfxpfXOSjh3idwdgWYZBWX8SmD2Z3jqv7A Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:22:18 -0000 > As many of you may know, the Homenet WG has chosen source-specific > Babel as the Homenet mandatory-to-implement routing protocol. This > choice is experimental, and may be reviewed in the future if Babel doesn't > work out. Good... This means we need to bring BABEL completely into the IETF standardization process. Which means we need to be serious about building alternate use cases, formal requirements, and moving from the "BABEL Towers" process to a real IETF process. If this is going to be a protocol required by an IETF standard, then BABEL needs to be brought completely into the IETF process, rather than playing along as a side project. :-) Russ From nobody Wed Oct 28 12:07:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8271ACD45 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id reQ7WEReGD_1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE8CA1ACD4E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id t9SJ72un028951; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:07:02 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A1C61FA8; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:07:02 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id o7soV1H5OLCv; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:07:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D85A61F9D; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:07:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:07:01 +0100 Message-ID: <87d1vyu816.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <01a101d1119c$ccbca320$6635e960$@gmail.com> References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <01a101d1119c$ccbca320$6635e960$@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:07:02 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 56311CD6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 56311CD6.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 56311CD6.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 19:07:13 -0000 > Good... This means we need to bring BABEL completely into the IETF > standardization process. I'm thrilled to hear you say that. Let's see if we organise a BoF in Buenos Aires, or whether we can manage to build enough consensus and write a charter in time to create a WG straight away. > moving from the "BABEL Towers" process to a real IETF process. I'll stop saying "We at Babel Towers" and try my hand at "We at the IETF" ;-) -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Oct 28 14:05:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C401B5E22 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SzNdeJWIsO-e for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjc1-mx02-inside.nominum.com (sjc1-mx02-inside.nominum.com [64.89.234.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 355791B5E21 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-03.win.nominum.com [64.89.235.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by sjc1-mx02-inside.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0CD0DA008A; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.20.146] (71.233.41.235) by CAS-03.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.224.2; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:04:57 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <87d1vyu816.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:04:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01E498E4-07B6-4293-A676-4980EAC264D0@nominum.com> References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <01a101d1119c$ccbca320$6635e960$@gmail.com> <87d1vyu816.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Originating-IP: [71.233.41.235] Archived-At: Cc: babel@ietf.org, Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:04:59 -0000 If the ADs are willing and there are people who are willing to do the = work, there=E2=80=99s no reason to wait until Buenos Aires. If you = won=E2=80=99t have time until then, that=E2=80=99s fine, but it sounds = like you are going to have a bunch of time soon, so we should consider = taking advantage of that. If it comes to a BoF in BA, that=E2=80=99s = fine, but if it=E2=80=99s already a working group then, that=E2=80=99s = even better.= From nobody Thu Oct 29 01:43:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928C61B2B12 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:43:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K70n9O7sbR4E for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x233.google.com (mail-qg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4222D1B2B11 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgem9 with SMTP id m9so28287121qge.1 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:43:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I0MLHf4RglB+U011zV3JHZEAK67OXY91LhyrciNFZVo=; b=Ym1G3xKvxyQjuCXoq0OTK3mzf2XmZw7jad7nBcoFmDHrxfUM36d5d1ASQ7Dhs/YYMO RbQksfyVa6rlpqZbjTVRyRtdQP6kvpiiRHN9jRtTBmz3RN9UiTV2q6nPHtSF4FMOfUXQ fJAppHO4IoBknTbPAlpvQNDjnYHGz5ptZH3FMrn96kMkT64Vjm2DRUXzbbDKIerq7YjX QfAvpqrqFgvLjOptEHAl/0VgWlpZ4h703QZjLX6aqpljmNfmlJ5MUfWD/ZlftgXEhZHN SEHfVw3EfDR8pxoVusu+Xwi7rooFnM0mdTiuEPYRHwJ3FQGNTift5OXiWM1QlP0N4Vxg d0vg== X-Received: by 10.140.217.70 with SMTP id n67mr599039qhb.96.1446108227462; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from feather.local ([64.88.227.134]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n14sm178060qkl.13.2015.10.29.01.43.41 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:43:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Ted Lemon , Juliusz Chroboczek References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <01a101d1119c$ccbca320$6635e960$@gmail.com> <87d1vyu816.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <01E498E4-07B6-4293-A676-4980EAC264D0@nominum.com> From: Tim Wicinski Message-ID: <5631DC37.2000203@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:43:35 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/42.0a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01E498E4-07B6-4293-A676-4980EAC264D0@nominum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com>, babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:43:49 -0000 Ted is correct - I was pleasantly surprised how lightweight and easy it was to get dprive charted. tim On 10/29/15 6:04 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > If the ADs are willing and there are people who are willing to do the work, there’s no reason to wait until Buenos Aires. If you won’t have time until then, that’s fine, but it sounds like you are going to have a bunch of time soon, so we should consider taking advantage of that. If it comes to a BoF in BA, that’s fine, but if it’s already a working group then, that’s even better. > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > From nobody Thu Oct 29 02:12:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3E91B2B75 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 02:12:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.231 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.231 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s7-qsmGgGV-E for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 02:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ACCB1B2B74 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 02:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9T9CRHH013974; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:12:27 GMT X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk t9T9CRHH013974 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1446109948; bh=Ek+g3Vz3Krbmj/3NUcvBLeBu5EU=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Zf3FYzyopg3PXY4dfQdMvLdvcpJAuurGy1PrnrRrrmXo1WrZERSUFJf1PqJRj2vcq Yrcs1RWHKZjmIu0gwuZeaHhGVSV7qOk4VzElRvhW0dYYQbjegjsOFzJI7ztNO7hywZ z4c3XMwPB+6jbeyVJktBOFkKu4IzJdiIM6XSg/y4= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id r9S9CR24780076717u ret-id none; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:12:28 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2001:630:d0:ed23:4ccb:cf0e:aa47:9074] ([IPv6:2001:630:d0:ed23:4ccb:cf0e:aa47:9074]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9T9CNn6014584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:12:24 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: <5631DC37.2000203@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:12:25 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <01a101d1119c$ccbca320$6635e960$@gmail.com> <87d1vyu816.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <01E498E4-07B6-4293-A676-4980EAC264D0@nominum.com> <5631DC37.2000203@gmail.com> <12E371D1-1628-4757-8716-DA4F5AAD4F5D@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: Tim Wicinski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=r9S9CR247800767100; tid=r9S9CR24780076717u; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=5:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: t9T9CRHH013974 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: Cc: babel@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com>, Juliusz Chroboczek Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:12:49 -0000 Related, RFC5434 is a good read with good advice, and includes tips on = what signifies that an =E2=80=98interest group=E2=80=99 is ready to = become a WG. Tim > On 29 Oct 2015, at 08:43, Tim Wicinski wrote: >=20 >=20 > Ted is correct - I was pleasantly surprised how lightweight and easy = it was to get dprive charted. >=20 > tim >=20 > On 10/29/15 6:04 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >> If the ADs are willing and there are people who are willing to do the = work, there=E2=80=99s no reason to wait until Buenos Aires. If you = won=E2=80=99t have time until then, that=E2=80=99s fine, but it sounds = like you are going to have a bunch of time soon, so we should consider = taking advantage of that. If it comes to a BoF in BA, that=E2=80=99s = fine, but if it=E2=80=99s already a working group then, that=E2=80=99s = even better. >> _______________________________________________ >> babel mailing list >> babel@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Fri Oct 30 09:52:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE891A8857 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gUYvQ55zuKGv for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sender163-mail.zoho.com (sender163-mail.zoho.com [74.201.84.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B12CE1A887F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1446223845943530.9040180514216; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:50:45 +0000 From: Denis Ovsienko To: Message-ID: <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> In-Reply-To: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:52:49 -0000 Hello. I am glad to see this progress. [...] > (X) implement the MTI subset of RFC 7298 (HMAC authentication) within > the reference implementation of Babel (it's currently implemented in > the Quagga branch only). Hopefully some mapping can help to begin here. The Quagga implementation of RFC7298 roughly consists of: * lib/cryptohash.[ch]: a generic cryptographic hash interface, which uses libgcrypt as its backend (this could also be OpenSSL or a similar library) * babeld/babel_auth.[ch]: the RFC-specific set of functions that do work based on the authentication parameters and CSAs; babel_auth_check_packet() and babel_auth_make_packet() provide an interface to it * ibid: the CLI-specific helper functions (configuration, status, statistics) * ibid: a timer function to expire ANM records * elsewhere: Quagga library functions for memory accounting and linked list management, maybe something else As a starting point it would be reasonable to estimate about 50% of that code can be ported with no or minimal changes and the rest will need to be worked on more closely. -- Denis Ovsienko From nobody Fri Oct 30 10:00:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA3D1A8871 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r_bhsoGR64Cr for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD1241A886C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id t9UH066S019150; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:00:06 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A0B61FA7; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:00:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 7mEzswE5HnUn; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:00:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70A5661F9A; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:00:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:00:06 +0100 Message-ID: <874mh8i961.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Denis Ovsienko In-Reply-To: <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:00:07 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5633A216.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5633A216.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5633A216.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:00:11 -0000 > I am glad to see this progress. Sorry for the delay, Denis. I really need to get me funding for an engineer. > Hopefully some mapping can help to begin here. Thanks, that's helpful. -- Juliusz From nobody Fri Oct 30 11:54:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743FF1B3107 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QPePSKMpnU99 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66D631B310B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wmec75 with SMTP id c75so19141936wme.1 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:54:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zOwMJKChNrVpy6FBei/hGomMS6ixggApEL7kJAoFdxg=; b=FLeZRrVfA98nkwebSU2Vrvy0pbT2KnZY0fl7Gn9Nd0ndEb1vZCou1KDMbUwktaGNdO oG/AeUmagQzOfTUit7phb1gBAomT4/v6j+X+NscXR67GuIeFnZc5AtkzcK3gf3GWRIRz ZwcFMforOY2ebCZPK0rh2uGmyqvNHMiXgzX+dOtz1Erjgvw0NiEzGYiVZomtJmmZnZC4 j2zXC1Pt+am825U1aymmkzHMW3HeTV9Hv83l0hTP5zJvJKdAwnW+Hln+/zzzI0hoh9AI 066N3aoYPBS2TB8vUOUf87gLHMboTb3mHDX40mdYyvhzlvR5xRd/JChkpwyBsQoChmge cdzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zOwMJKChNrVpy6FBei/hGomMS6ixggApEL7kJAoFdxg=; b=bHEsq5pDLRhaaXzo/yfxdUZYw+YDx+RnfsSXZOVn4dppbdf8HcUow7kowuQSprU+sw x4jyo1dAqbL1TSu0ndCTEqX32tZ2zi+QJHbZ1MfUVTWMVY+Xj7VScHSxOmqVxYmwsHyA E2FlozOHGpA1kYffox3qYGdPEJQIxpWXYWJbhf50QLNydsqAOkeIwUPSjjQxevr+a/IW QYNznbTgXgiB3y+6mC1VQkhcRAlA9rbrvvTM5BKriyp5sbcrwq6lQf/fjaw08InmMDHH 3d1czXv6PRJVQ/D8x3GnXFqjZWcJ9xWFKmuat4HOLt5P1tVHIiB/WCPtre2Eyxatke7K aXKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmJ658OKKdAYCrcdHqsIyGDBfMqnra1HLFpUQjgwwR2kuLD4w/4NsvBubR3J998TO749axA MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.12.140 with SMTP id 134mr5455056wmm.9.1446231260766; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.126.131 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.126.131 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:54:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: Gabriel Kerneis To: Denis Ovsienko Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11444e3c90b687052356f490 Archived-At: Cc: babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:54:23 -0000 --001a11444e3c90b687052356f490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 30 Oct 2015 5:52 p.m., "Denis Ovsienko" wrote: > > Hello. > > I am glad to see this progress. > > [...] > > (X) implement the MTI subset of RFC 7298 (HMAC authentication) within > > the reference implementation of Babel (it's currently implemented in > > the Quagga branch only). > [...] > As a starting point it would be reasonable to estimate about 50% of that code can be ported with no or minimal changes and the rest will need to be worked on more closely. Juliusz, do you still want an independent implementation, or is porting Denis' code acceptable? Best, Gabriel --001a11444e3c90b687052356f490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8


On 30 Oct 2015 5:52 p.m., "Denis Ovsienko" <denis@ovsienko.info> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I am glad to see this progress.
>
> [...]
> > (X) implement the MTI subset of RFC 7298 (HMAC authentication) within
> > the reference implementation of Babel (it's currently implemented in
> > the Quagga branch only).
> [...]
> As a starting point it would be reasonable to estimate about 50% of that code can be ported with no or minimal changes and the rest will need to be worked on more closely.

Juliusz, do you still want an independent implementation, or is porting Denis' code acceptable?

Best,
Gabriel

--001a11444e3c90b687052356f490-- From nobody Fri Oct 30 12:11:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2051A1B3174 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gGOGTGD0PqxD for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40D981B3172 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id t9UJBh7c027929; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:11:43 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1326961FAD; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:11:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id aIFZAwGOqIzq; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:11:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 865B761F9A; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:11:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:11:42 +0100 Message-ID: <87twp8dvdd.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Gabriel Kerneis In-Reply-To: References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:11:43 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5633C0EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5633C0EF.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5633C0EF.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: Denis Ovsienko , babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:11:46 -0000 > Juliusz, do you still want an independent implementation, or is porting > Denis' code acceptable? I have no idea. Give me a few days. -- Juliusz From nobody Fri Oct 30 13:47:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249491A923E for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Q4jV-CJaL_S for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70B111A9231 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id t9UKl5NN015959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:05 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id t9UKl5CV017589; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:05 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBFB61FA3; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id PG4cYvcjonFv; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F68E61FA2; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87oafgdqyh.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Gabriel Kerneis In-Reply-To: References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:05 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:47:05 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5633D749.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:47:10 -0000 > Juliusz, do you still want an independent implementation, or is porting > Denis' code acceptable? I've thought it over -- porting Denis' code is okay. If an independent implementation is desired, it makes more sense to do it within either the Bird or the pybabel code, which are independent implementations of Babel. -- Juliusz From nobody Sat Oct 31 03:06:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F9D1B3674 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 03:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87GnMXRlgV-U for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sender163-mail.zoho.com (sender163-mail.zoho.com [74.201.84.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE7BB1B3672 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 03:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1446286000594183.78461929077946; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 03:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:06:40 +0000 From: Denis Ovsienko To: Message-ID: <150bd5d01a3.c636f40e464812.1265745586193610994@ovsienko.info> In-Reply-To: <87oafgdqyh.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> References: <87fv0vw73u.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <150b9a89a00.ad4e8ebc333776.7360041073287021160@ovsienko.info> <87oafgdqyh.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Babel@IETF todo list X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:06:44 -0000 ---- On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 20:47:02 +0000 Juliusz Chroboczek wrote ---- >> Juliusz, do you still want an independent implementation, or is porting >> Denis' code acceptable? > >I've thought it over -- porting Denis' code is okay. If an independent >implementation is desired, it makes more sense to do it within either the >Bird or the pybabel code, which are independent implementations of Babel. BTW, should there be a capable volunteer I would welcome an independent port/implementation so that I would proofread the new code and the volunteer would proofread the specification. Meanwhile I can do another round of code mapping in the standalone babeld as it has to be done anyway. -- Denis Ovsienko