From nobody Sat Jul 1 12:11:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F829127B60 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knE6QSeh_onR for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 12:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39E041201F8 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 12:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v61JBPwZ003806 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:11:25 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E81EB2D0 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:11:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id Gpk3Yg2fQITJ for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:11:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4869FEB2F0 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2017 21:11:22 +0200 Message-ID: <87mv8o2crp.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sat, 01 Jul 2017 21:11:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5957F3DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5957F3DD.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5957F3DD.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Acknowledgements in rfc6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2017 19:11:29 -0000 David and I have just written up the acknowledgements. Here's the current version: A number of people have contributed text and ideas to this specification. I am particularly indebted to Matthieu Boutier, Gwendoline Chouasne, Toke Hoiland-Jorgensen, and especially David Schinazi. The address compression technique was inspired by [PACKETBB]. If you feel wronged, please yell now. -- Juliusz From nobody Mon Jul 3 08:50:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E738131643 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wy_kn7KxCCsU for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x233.google.com (mail-io0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 281AC129476 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h134so58877744iof.2 for ; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/VtY7oIY+fWaH8S/2MsD4o7WATm3ZOYxbICt9nq4Z4s=; b=j4rMQ0jfuxUFd0SaVr8rJWdfVDTlpEzULOJjdeaJG/IDM6hK2W2r7t1lvns7Vr4cs5 XnCFMrDhpEKklpAN9yakPg16WCQj12Nhilvbn8EuPjFM9oq25HEReXEMvwQ8kd/V1kUd 4zvwRCJIFMPddZTTr8o8NXEXnpL3VZNAAOF0yy2KUyTRAzwzYf7RnA+2FHB5LfJeKBbU Z8HWl3NGI5iM4JEC4iGh5OOlcrGeoKSDD2xAmC3o4Y4BBiskHNyFX0m9AKO6pSOVye7g bbvf52+B1rDnZ582Q4q3OONZcBskfKrnguHvKvK7oDyzev3+0+ZVDXn2PIFFXDtzlqFL MqzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/VtY7oIY+fWaH8S/2MsD4o7WATm3ZOYxbICt9nq4Z4s=; b=fAR94Td+brMD9bKDhaoLhFPBnNEcNZ4O01yIEYFnejFddkSXt0SIgWhTV/8goCrys5 6MqX0RdLGlNG/tnN+gS89/97tGMvYa1OQpAiwHuS7nQcSR4pGGDrg7pfMfC5TtiFbIhW xbFUecHLhxANxVT7SO1Gu1JQUNfnl+0KqMgw6xiTtcXM2dX7z3iLd/pybhZVYGNYtKh8 aKpBZvjW+gpMbcymW5A9gAg+GNJ0VQAidyvJUJGPwjPpBLIyHZnPiDgrgvjac1SNTzFy o0BkD45NkuxtcvJZusGGlAPc16AyVnYdkoFWVQQs4n1hX+jZ/AE9gyX17/SoJZKCZfzW kUjg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112vDnDi+aw/jzawEcPyzM16NRdN6Yr6WJTZdKNopLBJtIEriGic 7BTmxiz6VqfNoRd0w6ef2UZ/CBj6UB6bYvk= X-Received: by 10.107.31.209 with SMTP id f200mr10484439iof.231.1499097000518; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.17.221 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 08:49:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7i1sq2siex.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <7i1sq2siex.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:49:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114040b833664505536bb848" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Minor edits to draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-02 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 15:50:03 -0000 --001a114040b833664505536bb848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Below are a few minor suggestions. Sorry to get this to you so late but they could always be considered later. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com The below are all just suggestions. Global Stuff: - Use a "0x" prefix for hexadecimal quantities and drop occurrences of "hexadecimal". Alternatively, make sure you always say "hexadecimal". - The draft normally uses "(prefix," but there are two instances of "(p," which I think should be changed to "(prefix,". Section 2.1 Costs, Metrics and Neighbourship The first sentence could read better or were even split into two. Perhaps something like "As with many routing algorithms, Babel computes costs of links between neighboring nodes. Such costs are abstract values attached to the edge between two nodes." Section 3.3 Acknowledged Packets - "suggest that acknowledged packets should be used" -> "RECOMMEND that acknowledged packets be used" - "not even recommended" -> "NOT RECOMMENDED" Section 3.4.2 Bidirectional Reachability Detection, 2nd paragraph Add the same parenthetical that appears at the end of the 3rd paragraph of 3.4.1 for parallelism. Section 3.5.1 The Feasibility Condition, 1st paragraph "updates with finite metrics large enough to cause a loop are discarded." -> "updates that fail the feasibility condition, that is with finite metrics large enough to cause a loop, are discarded." Section 3.8 Explicit Route Requests, 2nd paragraph at end "a neighbor" - "the receiver" Section 4.1.2 Router-Id I don't think the first sentence is grammatical. Suggest adding "quantity" or the like at the end of that sentence. References: Might want to reference RFC 7042 instead of or in addition to RFC 4291. --001a114040b833664505536bb848 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Below are a few minor suggestions. Sorry to get this to yo= u so late but they could always be considered later.

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The below are all just suggestions.

Global Stuff:
  • Use a "0x" prefix for hexadecimal quanti= ties and drop occurrences of "hexadecimal". Alternatively, make s= ure you always say "hexadecimal".
  • The draft normally = uses "(prefix," but there are two instances of "(p," wh= ich I think should be changed to "(prefix,".
Section 2.1 Costs, Metrics and Neighbourship
The first sentence co= uld read better or were even split into two. Perhaps something like "A= s with many routing algorithms, Babel computes costs of links between neigh= boring nodes. Such costs are abstract values attached to the edge between t= wo nodes."

Section 3.3= Acknowledged Packets
  • "suggest that acknowledged packets should be use= d" -> "RECOMMEND that acknowledged packets be used"
  • "not even recommended" -> "NOT RECOMMENDED"
Section 3.4.2 Bidirectional Reachability Detection, 2nd = paragraph
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"updates with finite metrics large = enough to cause a loop are discarded." -> "updates that fail t= he feasibility condition, that is with finite metrics large enough to cause= a loop, are discarded."

Section 3.8 = Explicit Route Requests, 2nd paragraph at end
"a neighbor" - "the = receiver"

Section 4.1.2 Router-Id
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Might want to reference RFC 7042 instead of = or in addition to RFC 4291.

--001a114040b833664505536bb848-- From nobody Mon Jul 3 12:15:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED0913173B for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:15:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mAkF6d0Jrg07 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B14C8131738 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v63JFk0N006527; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:15:46 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDACEB2F8; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:15:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id mEoCVeUHYNQk; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:15:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [172.23.36.54]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AAC55EB2D0; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:15:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lanthane.irif.fr) by lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dS6oz-0007cs-Dm; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:15:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:15:45 +0200 Message-ID: <7i60f9tjq6.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Donald Eastlake CC: babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <7i1sq2siex.wl-jch@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:15:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 595A97E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 595A97E2.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 595A97E2.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Minor edits to draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-02 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 19:15:51 -0000 > Below are a few minor suggestions. Thanks. Integrated all of them except for one stylistic change. -- Juliusz From nobody Mon Jul 3 12:23:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A920131720; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:23:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149910982653.22739.6877882390300010884@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 12:23:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 19:23:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol of the IETF. Title : The Babel Routing Protocol Author : Juliusz Chroboczek Filename : draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-03.txt Pages : 56 Date : 2017-07-03 Abstract: Babel is a loop-avoiding distance-vector routing protocol that is robust and efficient both in ordinary wired networks and in wireless mesh networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] New Version Notification for draft-chouasne-babel-tos-specific-00.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 19:52:53 -0000 A new version of I-D, draft-chouasne-babel-tos-specific-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Juliusz Chroboczek and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-chouasne-babel-tos-specific Revision: 00 Title: TOS-Specific Routing in Babel Document date: 2017-07-03 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 9 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chouasne-babel-tos-specific-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chouasne-babel-tos-specific/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chouasne-babel-tos-specific-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-chouasne-babel-tos-specific-00 Abstract: This document describes an extension to the Babel routing protocol to support TOS-specific routing. This version is using mandatory sub- TLVs. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] New Version Notification for draft-boutier-babel-source-specific-03.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 19:52:58 -0000 A new version of I-D, draft-boutier-babel-source-specific-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Juliusz Chroboczek and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-boutier-babel-source-specific Revision: 03 Title: Source-Specific Routing in Babel Document date: 2017-07-03 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boutier-babel-source-specific-03.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutier-babel-source-specific/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boutier-babel-source-specific-03 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-boutier-babel-source-specific-03 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-boutier-babel-source-specific-03 Abstract: This document describes an extension to the Babel routing protocol to support source-specific routing. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Jul 3 13:54:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3BE12ECF0; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:54:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149911527781.22750.331481761387053724@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 13:54:37 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-information-model-00.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 20:54:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol of the IETF. Title : Babel Information Model Author : Barbara Stark Filename : draft-ietf-babel-information-model-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2017-07-03 Abstract: This Babel Information Model can be used to create data models under various data modeling regimes (e.g., YANG). It allows a Babel implementation (via a management protocol such as netconf) to report on its current state and may allow some limited configuration of protocol constants. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jul 7 03:33:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DCD1316FB for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 03:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aq0ky035ZUXL for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 03:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1778E129AD3 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 03:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v67AXedX011332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:33:40 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v67AXdLd029208 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:33:40 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A77EB2F0 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:33:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 7UNL8UxokGGL for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:33:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA461EB2D0 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:33:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:33:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87r2xsk03h.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:33:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:33:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 595F6384.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:33:45 -0000 Dear all, There've been some important changes to rfc6126bis in recent weeks, and I'm not entirely comfortable with some of them. I'll be very grateful for reviewing. 1. Mandatory bits. We've got two implementations, we've got two extensions that use them. They're a good idea, I think they're fine. Please review paragraph 4.4. I still need to write a IANA Considerations section. 2. Unicast hellos. David has done some good work writing up the spec, and I've done my best to integrate his work stylistically into the document. The text is much improved, but I'm still not comfortable with them. In particular: we've got no convincing use cases. Plus, we're not entirely consistent about what is mandatory here: sending periodic Multicast Hellos is a mere SHOULD, parsing both kinds of Hellos is a MUST, but actually using both kinds of Hellos is not mandatory. Check the latest revision of Appendix A.2.2 for discussion. I also thing that Appendix A.4 should go. 3. Chouasne's algorithm, Paragraph 3.5.5. This seems like a good idea, but we've got no implementation. 4. Revision to route acquisition. I now understand more about feasibility than I did in 2011, so I've relaxed the conditions on unfeasible updates. I'm realising that we could simplify the spec by removing the notion of feasible update (only routes can be feasible), but that would make implementations that follow RFC 6126 no longer compliant. I'm going to revise the sample implementation ASAP. Please review carefully paragraphs 3.5.4 and 3.5.5. I'm uncomfortable with going into last call. I'll be arriving to Prague on Friday 14th, but I have plans for Saturday. Please drop me a mail if you want to meet on Sunday or Monday morning. -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Jul 13 10:21:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5D01316FF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tmQid7bjwOKO for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BE3A131483 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6DHL7Dp000991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:07 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6DHL7f3025091; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:07 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEEBEB2CC; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id jdvpV953fyaD; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [172.23.36.54]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DF11EB2D0; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lanthane.irif.fr) by lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dVhnW-0003yV-3v; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:06 +0200 Message-ID: <7i1spknth9.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org, babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:21:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5967AC03.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 17:21:12 -0000 Dear all, The Babel working group meeting at IETF 99 will be on 17th July 2017 at 17:40 CEST in room Athens/Barcelona If you're attending IETF 99, please come. If you're not attending, please do try to participate over this new-fangled Interenet thing: https://www.ietf.org/meeting/remote-participation.html I've had good experience with Meetecho in the past. Should you be in Prague, I'll be there all week, and I'm always glad to meet Babel users. And while I would never, ever encourage you to attend the meeting in person without paying the outrageous IETF admittance fee, past experience shows that there are usually no armed guards at the entrance. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:51:15 -0000 > 1. Mandatory bits. We've got two implementations, we've got two > extensions that use them. They're a good idea, I think they're = fine. > Please review paragraph 4.4. I still need to write a IANA = Considerations > section. 4.4 looks fine to me, particularly the last paragraph. > 2. Unicast hellos. David has done some good work writing up the spec, = and > I've done my best to integrate his work stylistically into the > document. The text is much improved, but I'm still not comfortable > with them. >=20 > In particular: we've got no convincing use cases. Plus, we're not > entirely consistent about what is mandatory here: sending periodic > Multicast Hellos is a mere SHOULD, parsing both kinds of Hellos is > a MUST, but actually using both kinds of Hellos is not mandatory. > Check the latest revision of Appendix A.2.2 for discussion. My question always goes back to this -- I don't know why the receiver = needs to treat a unicast and multicast hello differently -- I probably = missed some discussion here, it might be good (for my brain, anyway), to = chat in Prague (I see you sitting just behind me now =F0=9F=98=8A ). = Maybe we are making this too hard? > I also thing that Appendix A.4 should go. +1 > 3. Chouasne's algorithm, Paragraph 3.5.5. This seems like a good = idea, > but we've got no implementation. I think so as well. I wouldn't be _too_ worried about the = implementation bit for right now. We can try to get this pushed into FRR = at some point, but let's leave that problem for right now. > 4. Revision to route acquisition. I now understand more about = feasibility > than I did in 2011, so I've relaxed the conditions on unfeasible > updates. I'm realising that we could simplify the spec by removing = the > notion of feasible update (only routes can be feasible), but that = would > make implementations that follow RFC 6126 no longer compliant. I'm > going to revise the sample implementation ASAP. >=20 > Please review carefully paragraphs 3.5.4 and 3.5.5. These seem fine to me. I'm happy to go to last call. =F0=9F=98=8A Russ From nobody Mon Jul 17 08:04:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9648D130019 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eXc4V-pLY1qN for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F8D1131C43 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6HF4f6B028057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:41 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6HF4fDd022552; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:41 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881C1EB343; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id E39cZclrr3Ww; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.136.234]) (Authenticated sender: boutier) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DA88EB342; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Matthieu Boutier In-Reply-To: <01f701d2fee2$36e02950$a4a07bf0$@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:39 +0200 Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , Babel at IETF , Gwendoline Chouasne Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4C4D3EA5-91BE-49B6-ACC3-2A990A5A6950@irif.fr> References: <87r2xsk03h.wl-jch@irif.fr> <01f701d2fee2$36e02950$a4a07bf0$@gmail.com> To: Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:04:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596CD209.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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Chouasne's algorithm, Paragraph 3.5.5. This seems like a good = idea, >> but we've got no implementation. >=20 > I think so as well. I wouldn't be _too_ worried about the = implementation bit for right now. We can try to get this pushed into FRR = at some point, but let's leave that problem for right now. I've got an implementation (based on babeld) ! Tested (a little bit). = It works quite well, but look at the following scenario : A 1 / \ 1000 / \ B C \ / 1 \ / 1 D Initially, the cost between A and C is important, so C has a route to A via D, D via B, and finally B directly to A. Then, A fails, so both B and C can't reach A. 1. B retracts its routes, it requests to its neighbours (A and D) an acknowledgement. 2. D acks B's retraction, and do the same (retracts and requests ack) *3. B receives the ack, A is remaining. B and C acks D's retraction. C retracts and requests ack. 4. D receives B and C's acks. It removes its unreachable route. D acks C's retraction. *5. C receives D's retraction, but wait for A. One thing is clear: B was using the A's route, so A will not use its = route and there is no reason to wait its acknowledgement. Fine. Implemented, it works. This gives: 1. B retracts its routes, it requests to its neighbours (D only) an acknowledgement. 2. D acks B's retraction, and do the same (retracts and requests ack to C only.) 3. B receives the ack. It removes its unreachable route. C acks D's retraction. * C retracts and requests ack to A, waiting until the route expires. 4. D receives C's acks. It removes its unreachable route. So the question here is: could we consider that if a neighbour becomes unreachable we can stop waiting for its acknowledgement ? Matthieu From gwendoline.chouasne-guillon@ens.fr Mon Jul 17 08:24:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40B612EC12 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5qUyO1dYBzM4 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nef2.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B79131C6C for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr (squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr [129.199.129.50]) by nef2.ens.fr (8.13.6/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id v6HFO3h8064313 ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:24:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr (8.14.4/jb-1.1) id v6HFO2pJ010768 ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:24:02 +0200 X-Envelope-To: gwendoline.chouasne-guillon@ens.fr Received: from 129.199.159.135 (SquirrelMail authenticated user chouasne) by squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:24:03 +0200 Message-ID: <425a1d3f800c8cdc00b0fa6366d91f71.squirrel@squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr> In-Reply-To: <4C4D3EA5-91BE-49B6-ACC3-2A990A5A6950@irif.fr> References: <87r2xsk03h.wl-jch@irif.fr> <01f701d2fee2$36e02950$a4a07bf0$@gmail.com> <4C4D3EA5-91BE-49B6-ACC3-2A990A5A6950@irif.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:24:03 +0200 From: "Gwendoline Chouasne" To: "Matthieu Boutier" Cc: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com>, "Juliusz Chroboczek" , "Babel at IETF" , "Gwendoline Chouasne" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:24:03 +0200 (CEST) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Chouasne algorithm X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:10:15 -0000 > So the question here is: could we consider that if a neighbour becomes > unreachable we can stop waiting for its acknowledgement ? Can't you just ask for acknowledgments from all your neighbours but the next-hop of the route that has been retracted, since it has already retracted the route? >>> 3. Chouasne's algorithm, Paragraph 3.5.5. This seems like a good idea, >>> but we've got no implementation. >> >> I think so as well. I wouldn't be _too_ worried about the >> implementation bit for right now. We can try to get this pushed into FRR >> at some point, but let's leave that problem for right now. > > I've got an implementation (based on babeld) ! Tested (a little bit). It > works quite well, but look at the following scenario : > > A > 1 / \ 1000 > / \ > B C > \ / > 1 \ / 1 > D > > Initially, the cost between A and C is important, so C has a route to A > via D, D via B, and finally B directly to A. Then, A fails, so both B > and C can't reach A. > > 1. B retracts its routes, it requests to its neighbours (A and D) an > acknowledgement. > > 2. D acks B's retraction, and do the same (retracts and requests ack) > > *3. B receives the ack, A is remaining. > B and C acks D's retraction. > C retracts and requests ack. > > 4. D receives B and C's acks. It removes its unreachable route. > D acks C's retraction. > > *5. C receives D's retraction, but wait for A. > > One thing is clear: B was using the A's route, so A will not use its route > and there is no reason to wait its acknowledgement. Fine. Implemented, > it works. This gives: > > 1. B retracts its routes, it requests to its neighbours (D only) an > acknowledgement. > > 2. D acks B's retraction, and do the same (retracts and requests ack to > C only.) > > 3. B receives the ack. It removes its unreachable route. > C acks D's retraction. > * C retracts and requests ack to A, waiting until the route expires. > > 4. D receives C's acks. It removes its unreachable route. > > So the question here is: could we consider that if a neighbour becomes > unreachable we can stop waiting for its acknowledgement ? > > Matthieu > > From gwendoline.chouasne-guillon@ens.fr Mon Jul 17 08:43:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4958D131C80 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sUL3OYB1alUP for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nef2.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92483131C73 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr (squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr [129.199.129.50]) by nef2.ens.fr (8.13.6/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id v6HFh2Og069845 ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr (8.14.4/jb-1.1) id v6HFh2EP012171 ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:43:02 +0200 X-Envelope-To: gwendoline.chouasne-guillon@ens.fr Received: from 129.199.159.135 (SquirrelMail authenticated user chouasne) by squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:43:02 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <425a1d3f800c8cdc00b0fa6366d91f71.squirrel@squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr> References: <87r2xsk03h.wl-jch@irif.fr> <01f701d2fee2$36e02950$a4a07bf0$@gmail.com> <4C4D3EA5-91BE-49B6-ACC3-2A990A5A6950@irif.fr> <425a1d3f800c8cdc00b0fa6366d91f71.squirrel@squirrelmail.eleves.ens.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:43:02 +0200 From: "Gwendoline Chouasne" To: "Matthieu Boutier" Cc: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com>, "Juliusz Chroboczek" , "Babel at IETF" , "Gwendoline Chouasne" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:43:03 +0200 (CEST) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Chouasne algorithm X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:10:27 -0000 Sorry, I only just realized that your question was for the general case (that is, the unreachable node is not the next-hop of the route) Well, I'd say no, because you can't be sure that a the timeout time of the routes is less than the timeout time for a node to be declared unreachable. But I'm not sure how nodes are declared unreachable. Suppose you have this: A----B----C---D Say you're B, and you have a route R for prefix P through a node A. Suppose that C uses this route through you. Say the link to your other neighbour C is down for 5 seconds, and you declare C unreachable. Now you get a retractation from A for R. You send a retractation to all your neighbours but don't wait for C's acknowledgement. Then the link comes back up, and C still uses the route R through you. At the same time, C learns a route to a less specific prefix P' through D, and you learn it. Now, for a packet matching both P and P', C will send it to you, and you to C (until C times out the route R) >> So the question here is: could we consider that if a neighbour becomes >> unreachable we can stop waiting for its acknowledgement ? > > Can't you just ask for acknowledgments from all your neighbours but the > next-hop of the route that has been retracted, since it has already > retracted the route? > > > >>>> 3. Chouasne's algorithm, Paragraph 3.5.5. This seems like a good >>>> idea, >>>> but we've got no implementation. >>> >>> I think so as well. I wouldn't be _too_ worried about the >>> implementation bit for right now. We can try to get this pushed into >>> FRR >>> at some point, but let's leave that problem for right now. >> >> I've got an implementation (based on babeld) ! Tested (a little bit). >> It >> works quite well, but look at the following scenario : >> >> A >> 1 / \ 1000 >> / \ >> B C >> \ / >> 1 \ / 1 >> D >> >> Initially, the cost between A and C is important, so C has a route to A >> via D, D via B, and finally B directly to A. Then, A fails, so both B >> and C can't reach A. >> >> 1. B retracts its routes, it requests to its neighbours (A and D) an >> acknowledgement. >> >> 2. D acks B's retraction, and do the same (retracts and requests ack) >> >> *3. B receives the ack, A is remaining. >> B and C acks D's retraction. >> C retracts and requests ack. >> >> 4. D receives B and C's acks. It removes its unreachable route. >> D acks C's retraction. >> >> *5. C receives D's retraction, but wait for A. >> >> One thing is clear: B was using the A's route, so A will not use its >> route >> and there is no reason to wait its acknowledgement. Fine. Implemented, >> it works. This gives: >> >> 1. B retracts its routes, it requests to its neighbours (D only) an >> acknowledgement. >> >> 2. D acks B's retraction, and do the same (retracts and requests ack to >> C only.) >> >> 3. B receives the ack. It removes its unreachable route. >> C acks D's retraction. >> * C retracts and requests ack to A, waiting until the route expires. >> >> 4. D receives C's acks. It removes its unreachable route. >> >> So the question here is: could we consider that if a neighbour becomes >> unreachable we can stop waiting for its acknowledgement ? >> >> Matthieu >> >> > > > From nobody Mon Jul 17 17:16:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8315B131CF7 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:16:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IVhvYpFizCov for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 896CA131CFD for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6I0GKJW029137; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:16:20 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8DAEB2D0; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:16:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id rLbOnQ7fopz3; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (107.223.broadband2.iol.cz [83.208.223.107]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A1459EB2CC; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:16:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgnma9bj.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org, babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org CC: Margaret Cullen , David Schinazi , Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= , Donald Eastlake , "Russ White" , Matthieu Boutier , Alia Atlas User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:16:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596D5354.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 596D5354.002 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 596D5354.002 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Top secret Babel meeting on Wednesday -- unicast hellos X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:16:34 -0000 Dear all, I've been tasked with organising a meeting about unicast Hellos in Babel. I've consulted the people I could reach, and Wednesday morning appears to suit at least a few of them. So let's meet on Wednesday 19 July at 10am I'll see tomorrow morning if I can get a room at the Hilton. If I cannot, I'll bribe some friendly cafe owner to give us a table (I'm sure we'll drink enough tea, coffee and Czech Coke to make it worth his while). I'll send an e-mail to the list to confirm the exact appointment. See you all on Wednesday, -- Juliusz From nobody Mon Jul 17 17:58:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845A512EAAA for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:58:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZtWSRFZSh6i for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11827129AD1 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6I0wD21002539 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:58:13 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074F9EB2F0 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:58:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id WbRMe9m_xG4Q for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:58:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (107.223.broadband2.iol.cz [83.208.223.107]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8C36EB2CC for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:58:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:58:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:58:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596D5D25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 596D5D25.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 596D5D25.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:58:16 -0000 This mail is meant to reflect WG consensus. Please yell if you disagree about anything. 1. Mandatory sub-TLVs are consensual. No problem here, we can implement straight away. 2. Unicast Hellos look good, but we're having a meeting on Wednesday where we decide what to do about them. I'll summarise when we're done. 3. We don't bump the version number -- there's clear WG consensus that we stay at version 2 of the protocol, notwithstanding the incompatibilities. We have a good understanding of the issues, I think a new appendix about backwards compatibility might be a good idea. 4. The changes to route acquisition and hold time look sane, we keep them unless we find a fatal flaw during implementation. 5. Wildcard requests cause a full dump, no further complexity is desired. Matthieu and Gwendoline update their drafts to reflect that. We try to get Matthieu's draft adopted, we let Gwendoline's draft stay at the individual submission level for now. 6. Sandy's draft looks good, but we don't adopt it for now. Three important issues: - do we want sub-sub-TLVs? - there's no implementation of the data plane. - the git repository is a code dump, which makes it difficult to work out the exact changes. Sandy MUST fix that, which should be easy enough given that she knows the exact version she forked from. 7. We don't adopt RTT routing for now, we wait for the pipeline to clear. 8. Barbara's draft looks good. 9. No decision has been made about authorship of rfc6126bis. Since Czech beer is good and cheap, I accept bribes, but don't make it a habit ;-) 10. The working group is friendly and productive, I'm having a lot of fun working with you all. Please comment if you disagree, even if you're not sure of yourself. -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Jul 18 00:06:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4561D12FEE2 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:06:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.126 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.126 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2=0.874, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hotmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PX3KkMrccpt7 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 00:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from APC01-PU1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092254091.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.254.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CBBF12EC0D for ; 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Hi Juliusz,


Thanks for your comments. Please see inline.


6. Sandy's draft looks good, but we don't adopt it for now.  Thre= e important
   issues:

  - do we want sub-sub-TLVs?
[Sandy] The sub-sub-TLVs defined in this draft is aligned with the def= inition in OSPF/ISIS/BGP draft. Thoug= h there is no sub-sub-TLV definition in Babel protocol now, it can still be= conveyed by BIER sub-TLV as payload. In this situation the sub-sub-TLV need not be ass= igned type. It is just coding = restriction. It will be great that you decide to add sub-sub-TLV in Babel p= rotocol. :)

  - there's no implementation of the data plane.
[Sandy] This draft only defines the control plane, so the data plane i= s out of the scope of this draft as w= ell as Babel protocol. In fact BIER has been implemented by several vendors= though there is no open coding for BIER data plane for the time being. The coding runs = in PC will be implemented in t= he future. But I think it is not necessary for this draft as well as Babel&= nbsp;protocol. And I think it should not stop the process of this draft.

  - the git repository is a code dump, which makes it difficult t= o work
    out the exact changes.  Sandy MUST fix that, which = should be easy
    enough given that she knows the exact version she forked= from.
[Sandy] It is testing code based on the first link that you post in&nb= sp;
It is a testing code to verify the fe= asibility of this draft. In case you have other requirement about it we can discuss to improve it or move= it.

Thanks,
Sandy





=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: babel= <babel-bounces@ietf.org> =B4=FA=B1=ED Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@iri= f.fr>
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA7=D4=C218=C8=D5 8:58
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: babel@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus
 
This mail is meant to reflect WG consensus.  = Please yell if you disagree
about anything.

1. Mandatory sub-TLVs are consensual.  No problem here, we can impleme= nt
   straight away.

2. Unicast Hellos look good, but we're having a meeting on Wednesday where<= br>    we decide what to do about them.  I'll summarise when we'= re done.

3. We don't bump the version number -- there's clear WG consensus that we    stay at version 2 of the protocol, notwithstanding the incompa= tibilities.
   We have a good understanding of the issues, I think a new appe= ndix
   about backwards compatibility might be a good idea.

4. The changes to route acquisition and hold time look sane, we keep them    unless we find a fatal flaw during implementation.

5. Wildcard requests cause a full dump, no further complexity is desired.    Matthieu and Gwendoline update their drafts to reflect that.&n= bsp; We try to
   get Matthieu's draft adopted, we let Gwendoline's draft stay a= t the
   individual submission level for now.

6. Sandy's draft looks good, but we don't adopt it for now.  Three imp= ortant
   issues:

  - do we want sub-sub-TLVs?
  - there's no implementation of the data plane.
  - the git repository is a code dump, which makes it difficult to wor= k
    out the exact changes.  Sandy MUST fix that, which = should be easy
    enough given that she knows the exact version she forked= from.

7. We don't adopt RTT routing for now, we wait for the pipeline to clear.
8. Barbara's draft looks good.

9. No decision has been made about authorship of rfc6126bis.  Since Cz= ech
   beer is good and cheap, I accept bribes, but don't make it a h= abit ;-)

10. The working group is friendly and productive, I'm having a lot of fun     working with you all.

Please comment if you disagree, even if you're not sure of yourself.

-- Juliusz

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:01:35 -0000 I reserved the Tyrolka room on the mezzanine level for this meeting from 10a= m to 11:30am on Wednesday. Hopefully it won't take that long. :-) Margaret Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:16 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > I've been tasked with organising a meeting about unicast Hellos in Babel. > I've consulted the people I could reach, and Wednesday morning appears to > suit at least a few of them. >=20 > So let's meet on >=20 > Wednesday 19 July at 10am >=20 > I'll see tomorrow morning if I can get a room at the Hilton. If I cannot,= > I'll bribe some friendly cafe owner to give us a table (I'm sure we'll > drink enough tea, coffee and Czech Coke to make it worth his while). >=20 > I'll send an e-mail to the list to confirm the exact appointment. See you= > all on Wednesday, >=20 > -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Jul 18 01:18:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B27131D6F for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KghuWcpqFKVZ for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D281E131D6D for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6I8I5b2019375 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:18:05 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1649CEB2FC for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:18:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id oRmOLIxRf8qN; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:18:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.136.234]) (Authenticated sender: boutier) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 17D3EEB2F0; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:18:04 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Matthieu Boutier In-Reply-To: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:18:04 +0200 Cc: babel@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <89C97FF0-742B-4A20-9802-C2B9B66767A1@irif.fr> References: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:18:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596DC43D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 596DC43D.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 596DC43D.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:18:09 -0000 > 3. We don't bump the version number -- there's clear WG consensus that > we stay at version 2 of the protocol I believe the consensus was "do not request to implement multiple versions". Another option is to pass the whole protocol to version 3. You might then write an appendix for people willing to support both versions and avoid breaking the network of their customers. > 5. We try to get Matthieu's draft adopted What's the process for this? Should I submit the next version as [1]? When did we define the sub-TLV type? It would be good to set it as soon as possible such that the implementations can reflect it. Is there consensus for 128? [1] draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-00 > 10. The working group is friendly and productive, I'm having a lot of > fun working with you all. Shared opinion, thanks to all ! :-) Matthieu From nobody Tue Jul 18 01:31:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E64131DB4 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:31:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-A78zDY1sh8 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-in3.euro.apple.com (mail-in.euro.apple.com [17.72.148.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03C92131DB2 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:31:44 -0000 Thanks Margaret and Juliusz! I'll be there. David > On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:01, mrcullen42@gmail.com wrote: > > I reserved the Tyrolka room on the mezzanine level for this meeting from 10am to 11:30am on Wednesday. Hopefully it won't take that long. :-) > > Margaret > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:16 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I've been tasked with organising a meeting about unicast Hellos in Babel. >> I've consulted the people I could reach, and Wednesday morning appears to >> suit at least a few of them. >> >> So let's meet on >> >> Wednesday 19 July at 10am >> >> I'll see tomorrow morning if I can get a room at the Hilton. If I cannot, >> I'll bribe some friendly cafe owner to give us a table (I'm sure we'll >> drink enough tea, coffee and Czech Coke to make it worth his while). >> >> I'll send an e-mail to the list to confirm the exact appointment. See you >> all on Wednesday, >> >> -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Tue Jul 18 01:38:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC0A131950 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OfdTfMXh7QEB for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5029F120227 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id l7so2900163iof.1 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:38:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KrdTmHSc45ch1uAqTHNHsE6oY1KYOQ2wy7pIeielyXE=; b=HDPBT+4zyXzXgTvP266Yy+VEMK+hAU+VeG3GFpt3DPMm51rsbp8rmexn7m6OYCEyyZ K9FGgxPMfcbG38qz2usG8EZDR7fgSqciysCQ3m8aJ6SlXobeNOJRMwcP3Yf6S2MjIlsE DphqAOv2QqQqaxWyWG358ueSFUAAKfcbbHbpsLN+gc59XsSYZAkpV5TTTqlBE3RYYg/l k7XMjDnPMVGN5xpFf6+p+JhaxyU2uYIsJf9uAk3ZefH4nmwsfdIegdolexg88Ir32Wyp BEtf8/dATy3GS4YziFWuqyU6OmVG0Qa6icXZuySmtyQef+zyQS3pfGKKY/XcPqbqc7gy Ar8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KrdTmHSc45ch1uAqTHNHsE6oY1KYOQ2wy7pIeielyXE=; b=pQVxKeqHU+xLizRlyv/KE4OqxIh+zfaYL3V9GUHN222uCwrenxrwngfZpFY/Q2ob77 smG1ibaF+3cCF1kwSf6pshRZENTCBtVpdj2nk0rsG1neT7a9nHbSuWVtj1AmYv4s5/Ob tfnURe33pyuCF85r44hAP+8C0WpAlBhec7t2wEjnzrOweSeeC8Rzx+bbUBSy3VHYuMW1 aAuOh9m38FchgVbbB7CLxKCJjMqTDHhJ6OP4dlVFJUIlwS1a6HIvqRxqYhOhSwoP2u7H aU6LvKgZsNHghEmb1i+ixmhRYZ/ESuU6rEWHONKMolEr5zG5YpGe5VoEjW1gVjhAd6F6 J+fQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110pbFk5L34LgmpWV5hP2hMMgLGHuEISOTcKamSmDFs4pY8sm1AM 3nqFSUe2KB+LybLpkCBBIxnzdF0nEQ== X-Received: by 10.107.7.226 with SMTP id g95mr443739ioi.33.1500367104722; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:38:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.17.221 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:38:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <93F1A508-AC86-4906-B3B7-FB6352222578@gmail.com> References: <87lgnma9bj.wl-jch@irif.fr> <93F1A508-AC86-4906-B3B7-FB6352222578@gmail.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:38:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: Margaret Cullen Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , Babel at IETF , Babel-users , David Schinazi , =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= , Russ White , Matthieu Boutier , Alia Atlas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f90844f52240554937082" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Top secret Babel meeting on Wednesday -- unicast hellos X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:38:26 -0000 --001a113f90844f52240554937082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" That's a good time for me. I'll be there. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:01 AM, wrote: > I reserved the Tyrolka room on the mezzanine level for this meeting from > 10am to 11:30am on Wednesday. Hopefully it won't take that long. :-) > > Margaret > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:16 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I've been tasked with organising a meeting about unicast Hellos in Babel. > > I've consulted the people I could reach, and Wednesday morning appears to > > suit at least a few of them. > > > > So let's meet on > > > > Wednesday 19 July at 10am > > > > I'll see tomorrow morning if I can get a room at the Hilton. If I > cannot, > > I'll bribe some friendly cafe owner to give us a table (I'm sure we'll > > drink enough tea, coffee and Czech Coke to make it worth his while). > > > > I'll send an e-mail to the list to confirm the exact appointment. See > you > > all on Wednesday, > > > > -- Juliusz > --001a113f90844f52240554937082 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's a good time for me. I'll be there.

=
Thanks,
Donald
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= =C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
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On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:01 AM, <mrcu= llen42@gmail.com> wrote:
I = reserved the Tyrolka room on the mezzanine level for this meeting from 10am= to 11:30am on Wednesday.=C2=A0 Hopefully it won't take that long.=C2= =A0 :-)

Margaret

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:16 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I've been tasked with organising a meeting about unicast Hellos in= Babel.
> I've consulted the people I could reach, and Wednesday morning app= ears to
> suit at least a few of them.
>
> So let's meet on
>
>=C2=A0 Wednesday 19 July at 10am
>
> I'll see tomorrow morning if I can get a room at the Hilton.=C2=A0= If I cannot,
> I'll bribe some friendly cafe owner to give us a table (I'm su= re we'll
> drink enough tea, coffee and Czech Coke to make it worth his while). >
> I'll send an e-mail to the list to confirm the exact appointment.= =C2=A0 See you
> all on Wednesday,
>
> -- Juliusz

--001a113f90844f52240554937082-- From nobody Tue Jul 18 01:54:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFA5131A92 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MaUXd-8Ujno1 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6366B131A78 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 01:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6I8s0qN006969 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:54:00 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA48EB2CC for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:54:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id FPVpNEd0fSGT; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:53:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (107.223.broadband2.iol.cz [83.208.223.107]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9999EEB2F0; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:53:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:54:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87379unn0z.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Matthieu Boutier Cc: babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <89C97FF0-742B-4A20-9802-C2B9B66767A1@irif.fr> References: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> <89C97FF0-742B-4A20-9802-C2B9B66767A1@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:54:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596DCCA8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 596DCCA8.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 596DCCA8.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:54:09 -0000 > What's the process for this? Should I submit the next version as [1]? You change your draft to reflect "full dump", add IANA Considerations, fix any remaining issues, then submit the new version as soon as done. > When did we define the sub-TLV type? In IANA Considerations. > It would be good to set it as soon as possible such that the > implementations can reflect it. Is there consensus for 128? Donald will correct me, but I believe that's up to IANA. -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Jul 18 02:32:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1B7131945 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.891 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.891 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OPZYAU2bogvJ for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE04B126E3A for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 02:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6I9W4bA030828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:04 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6I9W4vD019616; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:04 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADD7EB2CC; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id p4YOaO-XObjV; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.136.234]) (Authenticated sender: boutier) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 55B6CEB2D0; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Matthieu Boutier In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:01 +0200 Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , "babel@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Zhang Z X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:32:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596DD594.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:32:10 -0000 > - do we want sub-sub-TLVs? > [Sandy] The sub-sub-TLVs defined in this draft is aligned with the = definition in OSPF/ISIS/BGP draft. That may be a point: having different specs quite similar. (I'm not expressing an opinion, just a thought) > [Sandy] It is testing code based on the first link that you post in=20 > = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/babel/eDggzT8l7BhlPKj3OX2_cnTZlSg/?q= id=3Ddf58d2f6d38315765672f95bf6cd4a8c -> https://github.com/boutier/babeld/tree/dev It's the dev branch of my repository... The official babeld repository = is on the Juliusz github: https://github.com/jech/babeld. Second, the email you mentioned was sent the 24th of May, and my dev branch is subject to all terrible things which exist in git, especially rebase + push --force. Anyway, I found out on which commit you make your branch. It was = rebased, so to make it easy to all to see your changes, I've create a bier branch in my repository and pushed your code. Of course, your authorship is kept. About this, please configure git such that your proper names and email address will be used in your future commits. https://github.com/boutier/babeld/tree/bier For a fresh and clean restart, I would recommend you to remove and recreate your github repository, and continue with this branch. (note that if you have questions and while we're at IETF, you can grab me the corridor.) However, you might want to branch bier over the Juliusz's babeld. It's up to you. :-) Matthieu From nobody Tue Jul 18 04:55:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E849131DFA for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w5ZWJvdINgzQ for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2527C131897 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id z62so12180189ioi.3 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8I+JXyIIzpoSBX03u9JpisEe79JdVWsrCU89etBUgwA=; b=VFCDtub37ep3l0E/5vH4Y2LTq2X1RkIfcmKfE/XCkfuMtkKYt5Rmij1foQB5g/kpnd 8rUda2Rx+3QjgorLb3I2R6DUttQoMiB4affb7g4GRL0aaDRtZnVkKSmft4xwmo2oWDMz fvLujWP6c/34TA8pqWzHcgIlhCMOId5sGqJl+zxOB9FXM6fy8A+Zan+4JHWgXGoLTOoY y9fgvW2fBI3Y5Nz+bvYdLhEIqwQETtNXhQViC6eZBxQAI7Th2dt0VSeMmP7+wFI7bu6m z1dlwL4Bt7wprebMjCh3J3m/McEiT1kns0JxaalnwEenIvWyCWsnOHvkeyvWhwKdcXSR Nnvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8I+JXyIIzpoSBX03u9JpisEe79JdVWsrCU89etBUgwA=; b=pe2G7TMul+6pSesCmhj6Kj13CwXp52P+nwPF0zPZpWP+Tx54pQhDLHE3nLnwmiqKpT rI0uVDDzOGnHt8PStTg62Bj0cp6YC3oGUrwIv14i55vIeTO1gPIyDKYaSibM2aVO/8YZ ooe+v8qNbTjZ/LlG+jcNfTx7DHqSBhCKlkYugY8ZUtFpDfuAk8b1pMbHgXC6M46G0zTJ g841swtcBdD6CK8iSU7GYMYvAOWVuvKfg0RQuN6QKk2AkcX4ux5kVJTezmEbQ67FpzC7 oWOLzSUHiYeNY8KrYLaU9nWwiKaeh9Zk6AJA92DajbllL8HF6MXgfqS1NqWXpstzzcqX azng== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112NdRCSnkZvyQI6+55JRQ9FPCdnAGpriFJ1Sx2nUP4TSo6Fa0Tu mOo6U5Jo2zz/pnkQ+J/hacvA81EPzQ== X-Received: by 10.107.6.68 with SMTP id 65mr1396701iog.56.1500378952400; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:55:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.17.221 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:55:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87379unn0z.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> <89C97FF0-742B-4A20-9802-C2B9B66767A1@irif.fr> <87379unn0z.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:55:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Matthieu Boutier , Babel at IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:55:54 -0000 Hi Matthieu, On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> What's the process for this? Should I submit the next version as [1]? > > You change your draft to reflect "full dump", add IANA Considerations, fix > any remaining issues, then submit the new version as soon as done. Good to do that and submit a revision of the personal draft. While there are various processes possible, best will be for the chairs to issue a call for adoption on the mailing list and, if there is general agreement, declare the draft adopted. We can then authorize the WG -00 draft posting. >> When did we define the sub-TLV type? > > In IANA Considerations. > >> It would be good to set it as soon as possible such that the >> implementations can reflect it. Is there consensus for 128? > > Donald will correct me, but I believe that's up to IANA. Well, it would be simply up to IANA if the current registry was being used without change but it is a bit more complex since this is in conjunction with tweaking the registry to have mandatory and non-manditory type ranges. Probably ideal for now in IANA Considerations to say something like "IANA is requested to allocate TBD, a BABEL sub-TLV type from the range reserved for mandatory sub-TLVs [value 128 suggested]." And then use "TBD [128]" elsewhere in the draft Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Jul 18 04:56:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1379E131DF4; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:56:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33Fs5TkBqJ8J; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x233.google.com (mail-io0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D48B131897; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x233.google.com with SMTP id z62so12191571ioi.3; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:56:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JK7AGhvjiNctkn8x88Xf0FmqqH9+KmQiPN66TyHIOVk=; b=ToGtInaelb6q91V6JPcDsBab1DcMYCZpxhYauFnJu+8XJrchiBMyKp30SOrhTrMJv7 +X+t3i8FM1UUIpp5U+qc/xxtchJ1qdB1F4Aa22sTGntD2uNWqSo8yzR4TtEnLajS0idt 1YyiOubBH7ENwKkRxDow4gJDgYcnZxMJp5m5z4xLkApOfAiXSR+03wtMd1ig4GzI1u0I 5mwFs8Wx6yVuAdPaegvipyl9R2fVlSYUdJnxRz8ohwCZYvow3AmraZ1GfvohlCqbKtxZ Zt+sOhbYPGYWLwAbWj0fNGodDaCdEtui/hUZmz+IYvcEp6lXl1IzYUAbkK3nuE0BxenO msBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JK7AGhvjiNctkn8x88Xf0FmqqH9+KmQiPN66TyHIOVk=; b=QBIBpC5Zfuvue0yh8Qsj+8JrpDO1jqEhuZ1Ik2jgrMX0xcRSrAvw1YQNeipoP/tUws nODfa3kkBrml8vbt4LjdIxhyvKp5O/AllElPaTsd2UfGdJ11MmRDxF5fKCL3OyP4Mygq Tlxpj/Bw+qeg/YLNDCaZvbiHeABazldx7Ta8MXQTWaK/yTbHC8smwHI8O6HJuw/66Ljt acvc/+DEladI4th3FJ+lA1GUecyJFrOdVVvFsNZSMJhPufRnRiaRRoS73EMQzx2G7u+r qu6peL9HnoLAgPpPLDQObgNOYHRIbU3ScE2xzHbGorQ8JGAIOMi9E0UzNLIsdBIaJ7pP hN9g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110HbvQCcTN7L7IbKeD+yAveEUXZg4NEJRzaM55Isij5TAK01MC6 ELbMXPoLHbdvpTtZjNN/9Iz8N4C3xcI/ X-Received: by 10.107.7.226 with SMTP id g95mr1134471ioi.33.1500379009588; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:56:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.17.221 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Cc: draft-ietf-babel-applicability@ietf.org, babel-chairs@ietf.org, Alia Atlas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f9084e5287f055496359c" Archived-At: Subject: [babel] End of WG Last Call on draft-ietf-babel-applicability-01 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:56:55 -0000 --001a113f9084e5287f055496359c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Draft-ietf-babel-applicability did not pass WG Last Call due to lack of support. (It also expired during the refractory period before the current IETF meeting.) It is expected that it will be revised to resolve the comments from Routing Directorate Early QA Review (see https://www.ietf.org/ mail-archive/web/babel/current/msg00531.html), reposted, and a new Last Call will be done in the future. Thanks, Donald and Russ (BABEL Chairs) On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:15 AM, I-D Expiring System < ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote: > was just expired. > This draft is in the state "I-D Exists" in the Datatracker. > > Thanks, > IETF Secretariat. > --001a113f9084e5287f055496359c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Draft-ietf-babel-applicability did not pass WG Last Call d= ue to lack of support. (It also expired during the refractory period before= the current IETF meeting.)

It is expected that it will = be revised to resolve the comments from Routing Directorate Early QA Review= (see=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/= babel/current/msg00531.html), reposted, and a new Last Call will b= e done in the future.

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Thanks,
Donald and = Russ (BABEL Chairs)

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3= :15 AM, I-D Expiring System <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote:
<draft-ietf-babel-applicability-01.txt> was just expired.<= br> This draft is in the state "I-D Exists" in the Datatracker.

Thanks,
IETF Secretariat.

--001a113f9084e5287f055496359c-- From nobody Tue Jul 18 05:58:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB20513172B; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id whbCKADs_7Sv; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B210112F257; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id v127so3034644itd.0; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:58:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Egu7nczahNLh+78jKFHHk95zmeahcRSd/0gteFnGxJk=; b=ejW1k8p6MdyV8wN50SG2V4WCqpI3N/RuS3WpJI4eUXRNkyQIE9j+CTh59Kzw/UWLWZ nGgIr1DQ2hfnW8PvIDZfRzwFd0bMio0VSAPl6Ff0LRVorE92tMBNaHdNhBInts0jdI99 pL8tdcjTeRDO8NUiNIeOBkOWYlA7fkyDpiqWu/coSnXQqjBa+NMhshem4Gv9srQ0MqFU NG4zf0bZ0C61YyS0Usf5cu2/u54rl6mQWm8RfD/f8bz+oHsbp/QNKxSeW8K0xp9g4IIb IeOj3z2xbzklyVwh3vPl//WQTyIysXq2N/9UDVP+44OIXGoTgbXBho9hxbDMdXYFZTaz BnGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Egu7nczahNLh+78jKFHHk95zmeahcRSd/0gteFnGxJk=; b=gf10S1jlg8+J7BlSkR7bkOf9Xi4/tqdQFd0hntCEu+SkaVLncCJuvqMttWe+dEZlNe HGngR/A6n5pMSvHBF+fTDWjZVFF1hmsSmnjFMsS2w+cAJc3z8ciAcjA+0g8FjAMFSo4b 2SAo4AI4zK8LAZun5SuuNVsVFqIPlcXZyTzO+0VzKHDtxccr2a3FN6oQUlciajk0xKNl ykWx73SiRnjLZ39miIe3ySxI1guiJGRcFXNUmwHoS+VEycbLE6Aj3v97vfgyxZg2H2so w44sdrBVHEGCqz2QrhgGUN4j+rxzmx3FyN6dDhxqOLe9i8GEdgoqO/ryil+M8OBGndMB cjaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112HEYj4fLFeMB+Amje09Di2t6uiWlHTexK2r6cWXyW9mtlusSt5 bFQC3UeSYaBGdWxhOtR3kOGzz//kBtp2 X-Received: by 10.36.20.206 with SMTP id 197mr2232672itg.99.1500382729032; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:58:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.17.221 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:58:33 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Cc: babel-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Call for WG adoption of draft-boutier-babel-source-specific X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:58:51 -0000 This message begins a call for support or objections to WG adoption of draft-boutier-bable-source-specific. Since people may be busy with the IETF meeting, this runs for a bit more than the usual 2 weeks, until 6 August 2017. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:03:26 -0000 I support adoption. David Schinazi > On Jul 18, 2017, at 14:58, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > This message begins a call for support or objections to WG adoption of > draft-boutier-bable-source-specific. Since people may be busy with the > IETF meeting, this runs for a bit more than the usual 2 weeks, until 6 > August 2017. > > Thanks, > Donald and Russ (Co-chairs) > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Tue Jul 18 07:08:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3D0131B40; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N-pECt8gD2zf; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E467B1286B2; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1500386922; bh=cFcDHeInBSN3LYLY5uQt4xu8/veT4WnJ8gZubMJCUZg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Ab2dmUN726PsRgJY8YXS6Nb56oPhxqnWplfrffARUq5yUt9ceeK7yqU8CNxhkYPTX QY69rLejk9S7j6jGprQ9BstoAXb/v3nlna6/xL2pso5S5AYLjxsrUDQX7eUEjEtwz+ lhEKnLoqIQO7PBVWFb+oAQAP4eV/MFgTc07YLizVipn/7igVdrPRrToZfg5Jls1uXl LOof2AJieyQ7TZ1X5Jg2Me16avfaP8rddigDl9FJEhtuqD4mtJGodkb0x3l6FXILDo xFEwYDMjJIcU5EA47fndzJzwHT9n/Yv1N5nZ/1IygOPNsLgKLOKHlUzoeHaFIIU9rw zc6C7TpTTFXpA== To: David Schinazi , Donald Eastlake Cc: babel-chairs@ietf.org, Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: <88123076-E90A-4E37-BB0B-0551158455F0@apple.com> References: <88123076-E90A-4E37-BB0B-0551158455F0@apple.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:08:39 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87k235on14.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Call for WG adoption of draft-boutier-babel-source-specific X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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Me too :) -Toke From nobody Tue Jul 18 07:32:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BA8131A54; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:32:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qXjtOOBHr6aF; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1DC3131AFC; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6IEWeVK029793; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:32:40 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25CAEB2F8; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:32:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id AIVQLNUx2x8K; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (dhcp-8e8a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.142.138]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B9AAEB2F0; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:32:44 +0200 Message-ID: <87inip6cj7.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel-chairs@ietf.org, Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: <87k235on14.fsf@toke.dk> References: <88123076-E90A-4E37-BB0B-0551158455F0@apple.com> <87k235on14.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:32:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596E1C08.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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([2001:67c:370:1998:b861:3e9c:13d8:5a91]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 9sm4033495wml.25.2017.07.18.07.43.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: james woodyatt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_78028001-95FA-45F8-87D9-0E52DD647B7E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:43:10 +0200 References: <88123076-E90A-4E37-BB0B-0551158455F0@apple.com> <87k235on14.fsf@toke.dk> <87inip6cj7.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: <87inip6cj7.wl-jch@irif.fr> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Call for WG adoption of draft-boutier-babel-source-specific X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 14:43:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_78028001-95FA-45F8-87D9-0E52DD647B7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 18, 2017, at 16:32, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > I support adoption. +1 from me too. --james woodyatt > --Apple-Mail=_78028001-95FA-45F8-87D9-0E52DD647B7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Jul 18, 2017, at 16:32, Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:

I support adoption.

+1 from me too.


--james woodyatt <jhw@google.com>



--Apple-Mail=_78028001-95FA-45F8-87D9-0E52DD647B7E-- From nobody Tue Jul 18 08:09:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE7D131686 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b4EAUxzBdSBM for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB36A13167D for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1500390569; bh=xt4Y2H3zIbVOm7n3M3Q2S6TLHxqgUson9dNo8e8uGv8=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=dybj1ydgCh8lsGOGYMIMUy9GmArJ82NQKMUj5idUCEwvETHrkshHirdkV+olulLHp 7eFvOBj/xWsblE26kVkQVjn5g3yphapUWvuK5Wme/L8LTPhgTnNYK9VqYzfTqCnH+L MVV+1EtkiI0+p2UIlDP4hevg6ti9cuz1QH+i0rA7+5Os2OUZvwoApFBHNP236F+/EG fSkk/Cm79g/8Y8q4x5623+0qkhvZqqt7u1wUJtcmPB58FSKt2nfJrxqZsfAkrt8Lq5 tAlZZDqQ4+IL6hym3+y5o9JiZCcjwQ5nbIZvB/WVAMy0WLHXacxEFJURtgz4OwyFTn iVnX8SJcF+QJA== To: Juliusz Chroboczek , babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87iniqa7dl.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:09:26 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87eftdok7t.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:09:34 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > This mail is meant to reflect WG consensus. Please yell if you disagree > about anything. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:03:46 -0000 +1 I think it's a good idea.=20 Barbara > On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:03 PM, David Schinazi wrote: >=20 > I support adoption. >=20 > David Schinazi >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 18, 2017, at 14:58, Donald Eastlake wrote: >>=20 >> This message begins a call for support or objections to WG adoption of >> draft-boutier-bable-source-specific. Since people may be busy with the >> IETF meeting, this runs for a bit more than the usual 2 weeks, until 6 >> August 2017. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Donald and Russ (Co-chairs) >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> babel mailing list >> babel@ietf.org >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail= man_listinfo_babel&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8= Tq4vrfog&m=3DL_9DAgvf-U5f082M8cYyWC18tM9F9mierzV5WCt0xpg&s=3DUt1waX_agPIYt7= c5-emDkor_7mwBM6dZz10l5e10ro0&e=3D=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailm= an_listinfo_babel&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8T= q4vrfog&m=3DL_9DAgvf-U5f082M8cYyWC18tM9F9mierzV5WCt0xpg&s=3DUt1waX_agPIYt7c= 5-emDkor_7mwBM6dZz10l5e10ro0&e=3D=20 From nobody Tue Jul 18 17:45:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0E5131B55 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:45:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XkeubImO9VGM for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEF1E131B4C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6J0j1mb002306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:45:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6J0j1HQ012115 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:45:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369F2EB2F0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:45:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id NkJBJhcHYrUO for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:45:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (107.223.broadband2.iol.cz [83.208.223.107]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4772AEB2D0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:44:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:45:06 +0200 Message-ID: <8760epp84t.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:45:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 02:45:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596EAB8D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 00:45:12 -0000 Dear all, This is to remind you that we're going to have a side meeting in room Tirolka tomorrow Wednesday at 10:00 am. The goal of the meeting is for the WG to instruct me what to do about unicast Hellos in rfc6126bis. Here are the possible outcomes I can see: 1. We remove unicast Hellos. There will be no unicast Hellos in Babel for the foreseeable future. 2. We remove unicast Hellos, but require that Hellos with the Unicast bit MUST be silently ignored. Minimum complexity, and if people are keen on Unicast Hellos, they can write a draft that updates rfc6126bis. 3. We keep unicast Hellos, but make them optional -- it is legal to silently ignore unicast Hellos. Moderate complexity in the spec, but minimal implementation complexity -- just like 2. 4. We keep unicast Hellos, make it compulsory to associate with peers that send unicast Hellos only. Roughly speaking, it's the current draft. Orthogonal to the above -- are people happy with the current definition of interval-less ("unscheduled") Hellos? I think they're clean and involve minimal implementation complexity, but I'm willing to be proved wrong. It's a side meeting, so any conclusions reached will need to be validated by the WG. Still, given the athmosphere of trust that we have, I'm confident that any conclusions reached will be taken into consideration by the WG -- so please don't underestimate its importance, and please do come. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:53:50 -0000 Of course, I support it too ! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:12:14 -0000 --_000_PS1PR0302MB2441396248543CCBB1A62CED8EA60PS1PR0302MB2441_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matthieu, Thanks for your branch. I get the code from your branch because the extensi= ons you did looks good to me and I can follow it easily. I am sure I can up= load the code to your branch as well as Juliusz's branch. Maybe there are s= ome changs in it but I think it will not be a big problem. :) Thanks, Sandy Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Matthieu Boutier Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:32:01 AM To: Zhang Z Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek; babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus > - do we want sub-sub-TLVs? > [Sandy] The sub-sub-TLVs defined in this draft is aligned with the defini= tion in OSPF/ISIS/BGP draft. That may be a point: having different specs quite similar. (I'm not expressing an opinion, just a thought) > [Sandy] It is testing code based on the first link that you post in > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/babel/eDggzT8l7BhlPKj3OX2_cnTZlSg/?= qid=3Ddf58d2f6d38315765672f95bf6cd4a8c -> https://github.com/boutier/babeld/tree/dev It's the dev branch of my repository... The official babeld repository is on the Juliusz github: https://github.com/jech/babeld. Second, the email you mentioned was sent the 24th of May, and my dev branch is subject to all terrible things which exist in git, especially rebase + push --force. Anyway, I found out on which commit you make your branch. It was rebased, so to make it easy to all to see your changes, I've create a bier branch in my repository and pushed your code. Of course, your authorship is kept. About this, please configure git such that your proper names and email address will be used in your future commits. https://github.com/boutier/babeld/tree/bier For a fresh and clean restart, I would recommend you to remove and recreate your github repository, and continue with this branch. (note that if you have questions and while we're at IETF, you can grab me the corridor.) However, you might want to branch bier over the Juliusz's babeld. It's up to you. :-) Matthieu --_000_PS1PR0302MB2441396248543CCBB1A62CED8EA60PS1PR0302MB2441_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Matthieu,

Thanks for your branch. I get the code from yo= ur branch because the extensions you did looks good to me and I can follow = it easily. I am sure I can upload the code to your branch as well as Julius= z's branch. Maybe there are some changs in it but I think it will not be a big problem. :)

Thanks,
Sandy 

Get Ou= tlook for iOS
From: Matthieu Boutier &l= t;boutier@irif.fr>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:32:01 AM
To: Zhang Z
Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek; babel@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [babel] My understanding of the current consensus
 
>   - do we want sub-sub-TLVs?
> [Sandy] The sub-sub-TLVs defined in this draft is aligned with the def= inition in OSPF/ISIS/BGP draft.

That may be a point: having different specs quite similar. (I'm not
expressing an opinion, just a thought)

> [Sandy] It is testing code based on the first link that you post in > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/babel/eDggzT8l7BhlPKj3OX2_cnTZlSg/?qi= d=3Ddf58d2f6d38315765672f95bf6cd4a8c

-> https://github= .com/boutier/babeld/tree/dev

It's the dev branch of my repository... The official babeld repository is on the Juliusz github: https://g= ithub.com/jech/babeld.

Second, the email you mentioned was sent the 24th of May, and my dev
branch is subject to all terrible things which exist in git, especially
rebase + push --force.

Anyway, I found out on which commit you make your branch.  It was reba= sed,
so to make it easy to all to see your changes, I've create a bier branch in my repository and pushed your code.  Of course, your authorship is<= br> kept. About this, please configure git such that your proper names and
email address will be used in your future commits.

    = https://github.com/boutier/babeld/tree/bier

For a fresh and clean restart, I would recommend you to remove and
recreate your github repository, and continue with this branch. (note
that if you have questions and while we're at IETF, you can grab me the
corridor.)

However, you might want to branch bier over the Juliusz's babeld.  It'= s
up to you.  :-)

Matthieu

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Thanks,
Sandy 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:58:33 PM
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Cc: babel-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [babel] Call for WG adoption of draft-boutier-babel-source-= specific
 
This message begins a call for support or objectio= ns to WG adoption of
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I've read and I support adoption.

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Support.

Thanks,
Sandy=C2=A0

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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:58:33 PM
To: Babel at IETF
Cc: babel= -chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [babel] Call for WG adoption of draft-boutier-babel-source-= specific
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This message begins a call fo= r support or objections to WG adoption of
draft-boutier-bable-source-specific. Since people may be busy with the=
IETF meeting, this runs for a bit more than the usual 2 weeks, until 6
August 2017.

Thanks,
Donald and Russ (Co-chairs)

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--f403045f14668dbd850554a837bd-- From nobody Wed Jul 19 09:10:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FF3131686 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:10:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSSyEJWwMd3a for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DB6E124234 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6JGAdbY005756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:39 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6JGAdVM003013 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:39 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2ECEB342 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id mCKXsLLjwOny for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (dhcp-8e8a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.142.138]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5880EB36A for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87mv80xv95.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:10:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596F847F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:10:44 -0000 Dear all, TL;DR version: we keep unicast Hellos but make them optional. We write this up in the rfc6126bis draft, and see how well it reads. We then request feedback on the list. You may now skip the rest of this mail. First, some background. Hellos in Babel carry a monotonically increasing sequence number (seqno) which must be synchronised between sender and receiver. Since there is a single seqno per outgoing interface, every Hello MUST be sent to all neighbours on each interface -- either over multicast (RFC 6126) or over exhaustive unicast (allowed in rfc6126bis, insight due to Margaret). There is some desire -- expressed most vocally by David and Toke -- to send Hellos over unicast to different neighbours at different times, which requires either getting rid of the seqno or adding a per-neighbour outgoing counter in addition to the per-interface counter. Russ White sent me a series of (private) mails that gave some insight into the issue. In general, the Babel protocol specifies only very loose coupling between sender and receiver, which makes the protocol easy to evolve in a compatible manner. Not so with the Hello sub-protocol: the sender and receiver seqnos are tightly coupled, which makes this sub-protocol difficult to evolve. I think this analysis is spot on. We started the meeting with me giving some background into the problem (roughly speaking the two paragraphs above). We then did some brainstorming about what solutions we see: a new type of "unicast" Hello (David and Toke's proposal, in the current version of the draft). A new type of seqno-less Hello (my proposal, but it has a serious flaw -- Hello and seqno-less Hello would support different sets of sub-TLVs). Removing the seqno from Hellos and bumping the protocol version number to 3 (Matthieu's proposal, rejected since we're happy with version 2). As well as some more convoluted ideas (names of the authors withheld in order to protect the guilty, but I'll be happy to gossip over a beer). During this discussion, there were a few interesting insights. Margaret expressed some doubts about the usefulness of different Hello intervals for different neighbours. She noted that our intuition that one should reduce the Hello interval for marginal neighbours might be incorrect: quite the opposite, since with a shorter interval short-term outages might be spuriously detected as link drops. Agreed, although the length of the window is not necessarily related to the interval. More experimentation and experience is needed. David expressed some ideas about using driver data instead of Hello drop rate. We agreed that this might be mentioned in Appendix C, but is only reasonable for implementors that control the whole OS. (I wonder who that can be.) Matthieu suggests that we might want to test both multicast and unicast reachability before using a neighbour for routing, since unicast-only link failures happen sometimes. David noticied that IHU does that. Matthieu noticed that IHU can be sent over multicast too (and is in the reference implementation, ndlr). IHU with AE 0 is used by David over unicast only. He's in favour of leaving it in the protocol, but forbidding it for multicast. I disagree, I'll write that up on the list. At this point, the discussion was moving away from the Unicast hellos, so we decided that we don't have an idea that is significantly better than the current David-Toke proposal (there was one dissenting voice). We went back to my mail of yesterday evening, and there was clear consensus on the following two points: - we leave unicast Hellos in (no to proposal 1); - we don't delegate them to a future ducument (no to proposal 2). Right now, the document contains a mild contradiction: you MUST be able to parse unicast Hellos, but you are allowed to essentially ignore them. We have agreed that we're going to tweak the document to make unicast Hellos more optional, and see whether we can make it so it gives more convincing advice to the implementor. Therefore, we'll try to write up proposal 3 -- keep the packet format, but make it somewhat more optional. The actual protocol will remain mostly unchanges, only the level of MUST-ness will shift. Thanks to everyone, -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Jul 19 09:23:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB6B131472 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75FGug2EcjO1 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8D7F1287A5 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6JGNJBf009621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:19 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6JGNJM9005796 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:19 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3A2EB2F8 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id kclRjMhrB8s3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (dhcp-8e8a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.142.138]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7821CEB2D0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87k234xuo3.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:23:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 596F8777.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:23:23 -0000 Executive summary: rfc6126bis leaves the wildcard AE mostly unchanged. AE 0 specifies a wildcard: the only element of the AE is the 0-length byte sequence, and represents "all the things you have". AE 0 is allowed in three places: 1. in a route request, it requests a full route dump; 2. in an Update with Metric=infinity, it retracts all the routes announced by the sender; 3. in an IHU, it says "I Heard You" to anyone who receives this update. All three applications of AE 0 remain in rfc6126bis. We've clarified that for implementations with extensions, (1) and (2) apply to all routes -- a wildcard request requests all routes, even the ones that require an extension, and a wildcard retraction retracts all routes. This needs adding to Appendix C. IHU(AE=0) were originally intended for implementations that are not interested in bidirectional detection, and perform simple inverse detection, RIP style; such implementation can just send IHU(AE=0), "I hear everyone!". However, no implementation ever did that -- even sbabeld produces proper per-neighbour IHUs. David uses IHU(AE=0) for a different purpose: he sends IHUs over unicast, and hence doesn't need to use the Address field to constrain the receiver. This was not intended, but looks to me like a perfectly valid implementation. I will edit the document to say that IHU(AE=0) SHOULD NOT be used for multicast IHUs, and MAY be used over unicast. (David suggests MUST NOT, but I feel it's too strong.) -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Jul 19 09:27:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA13D12F3CB for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sfDont5s-QNj for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-in2.euro.apple.com (mail-in2.euro.apple.com [17.72.148.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06AD3129482 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:27:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=apple.com; s=mailout2048s; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@apple.com; t=1500481662; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-id:To:Cc:MIME-version:Content-type: Content-transfer-encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:In-reply-to:References:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FZDcvwjvWsBVH8Odz886V37vcovuOm227xKEB+mtofY=; b=iExaVJ3xHE5ICGWONohAxxOappRn/RlN0vtej5sOcn1nyM24gyMaAzPvsPjI+GjF hI1opft3IGMCNWeRK8CmtG0DSpG6pA5DHppkTInzj2YcX2CgeOU1LwoxC5BosqjK hfdiqxcjymE24aAfWvI9fWH2ZbAYBrhmTr6KL1vcHpd0b7ZiOU8fqRPWIiUMZcYh iisc+TPzsev4079Ja1uKlvZuRP0tG1tnku2Gt3o4dgLYj3xbY8vDqf17ChisL+Xy PLmtobcuHZrzAcZsqb9AqfT6CKQtXJe8llKt/XWruSYLI/Z8vC+qPmQen9yWYMxH T+WhIzBQ10pGqQ+boPE6UA==; Received: from relay2.euro.apple.com (relay2.euro.apple.com [17.66.55.12]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail-in2.euro.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id BB.B3.06273.D788F695; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:27:41 +0100 (BST) X-AuditID: 1148940c-1926f9c000001881-06-596f887d0c18 Received: from crk-phonehomebzp-sz03.euro.apple.com ( [17.72.133.83]) by relay2.euro.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9F.05.07255.D788F695; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:27:41 +0100 (BST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from [17.235.208.162] (unknown [17.235.208.162]) by phonehome3.euro.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170222 64bit (built Feb 22 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0OTC006MCJ22XI90@phonehome3.euro.apple.com>; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:27:41 +0100 (IST) Sender: dschinazi@apple.com From: David Schinazi In-reply-to: <87k234xuo3.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:27:34 +0200 Cc: babel@ietf.org Message-id: <98717A22-9C7C-42C3-AE8A-97A5DFA44427@apple.com> References: <87k234xuo3.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi6GTOo1vbkR9pcOOStcWWRd0sFvNbl7E5 MHksWfKTyWPxlreMAUxRXDYpqTmZZalF+nYJXBlLth9iKpgsWHH20XvWBsb7vF2MnBwSAiYS LXdes3YxcnEICWxnkjhyahErTKLn1zYWiMQhRokvRzazgyR4BQQlfky+B5Tg4GAWkJc4eF4W JMwsoCXx/VErVP10JokNjS+ZQBLCAtISXRfuskLYmhIHju9kB+llA2o4sMYIJMwpoCFx78ID sJEsAqoSr/qqIEYKSZy5NgMszCtgIzH9QABIWEhAXWLl9Edgw0UEVCSWT3vGDnGxrMSt2ZeY IexGNomdP+QmMArPQnLzLISbZyG5eQEj8ypG8dzEzBzdzDwjvdTSony9xIKCnFS95PzcTYyg 4PaYwrOD8eJBw0OMAhyMSjy8sXG+kUKsiWXFlbnAsOFgVhLhXd2WHynEm5JYWZValB9fVJqT WnyIUZqDRUmc16RUPlJIID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmy8TBKdXAmCh3slpQPeNMWUDHJr33xSlXvMxF FD4KWpwx6mFlrVW6/yuUzfbzPb+GE99izlW0eTS4ygbbHFN8amUvFNwzLW/C9Ou3TjMLXnbb adyrtVDk1vRG0Yk7Gaq3zr239vTyBzy8PwXmhU0uN3tRKrPjvaJhw5tZLT4Ptqpt2/jqwgeJ ju9fF+5ZpsRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAK5TQvBqAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi6NEarFvbkR9pcHW6pcWWRd0sFvNbl7E5 MHksWfKTyWPxlreMAUxRXDYpqTmZZalF+nYJXBlLth9iKpgsWHH20XvWBsb7vF2MnBwSAiYS Pb+2sXQxcnEICRxilPhyZDM7SIJXQFDix+R7QAkODmYBeYmD52VBwswCWhLfH7VC1U9nktjQ +JIJJCEsIC3RdeEuK4StKXHg+E52kF42oIYDa4xAwpwCGhL3LjwAG8kioCrxqq8KYqSQxJlr M8DCvAI2EtMPBICEhQTUJVZOfwQ2XERARWL5tGfsEBfLStyafYl5AqPALCR3zkK4cxaSOxcw Mq9iFC1KzUmsNNJLLS3K10ssKMhJ1UvOz93ECApHJ3OeHYyvDhoeYhTgYFTi4f3Zlh8pxJpY VlyZCwwNDmYlEd577UAh3pTEyqrUovz4otKc1OJDjNIcLErivAUPIyKFBNITS1KzU1MLUotg skwcnFINjHttT3ztC3DfWcwk71x2R9ZNPGfa+qWT/ffMUdTy6hKLrb59I+3FnfI5i793dsy8 2NF4ZKua8aGalPISzt0Tz7940q19o0LKd8cdqxqhGw1s19f6rEn/wLtvulS2nd9vNW6X10wa x6QiVkzZmRn+yL1M0GXn8TnezUv3Ll+019l3DV8ZP2+5ixJLcUaioRZzUXEiALTi9LVDAgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] What's up with AE 0? X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:27:46 -0000 My initial preference was to forbid (MUST NOT) IHU_AE=0 over multicast. Now I understand that it can be used by implementations that do not want bidirectional detection. I'm fine with making this a SHOULD NOT as long as we add text in the same paragraph (or close by) that explains that using IHU_AE=0 over multicast will disable bidirectional detection. David Schinazi > On Jul 19, 2017, at 18:23, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > Executive summary: rfc6126bis leaves the wildcard AE mostly unchanged. > > AE 0 specifies a wildcard: the only element of the AE is the 0-length byte > sequence, and represents "all the things you have". AE 0 is allowed in > three places: > > 1. in a route request, it requests a full route dump; > 2. in an Update with Metric=infinity, it retracts all the routes > announced by the sender; > 3. in an IHU, it says "I Heard You" to anyone who receives this update. > > All three applications of AE 0 remain in rfc6126bis. We've clarified that > for implementations with extensions, (1) and (2) apply to all routes -- > a wildcard request requests all routes, even the ones that require an > extension, and a wildcard retraction retracts all routes. This needs > adding to Appendix C. > > IHU(AE=0) were originally intended for implementations that are not > interested in bidirectional detection, and perform simple inverse > detection, RIP style; such implementation can just send IHU(AE=0), "I hear > everyone!". However, no implementation ever did that -- even sbabeld > produces proper per-neighbour IHUs. > > David uses IHU(AE=0) for a different purpose: he sends IHUs over unicast, > and hence doesn't need to use the Address field to constrain the receiver. > This was not intended, but looks to me like a perfectly valid > implementation. > > I will edit the document to say that IHU(AE=0) SHOULD NOT be used for > multicast IHUs, and MAY be used over unicast. (David suggests MUST NOT, > but I feel it's too strong.) > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Wed Jul 19 10:05:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40671131A7B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PVFKM3qDVoWx for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:05:26 -0000 To clarify what I think Juliusz means when he says Unicast Hellos are "optional": - parsing both unicast and multicast (and the UNICAST flag) is a MUST - however, how nodes reacts to these Hellos is up to implementations (Even in 6126 a node can decide to parse a Multicast Hello and set a cost of infinity or even ignore that neighbor) So implementations need to be aware of both kinds of hellos, but they do not need to form neighbor relationships with all of them. David > On Jul 19, 2017, at 18:10, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > Dear all, > > TL;DR version: we keep unicast Hellos but make them optional. We write > this up in the rfc6126bis draft, and see how well it reads. We then > request feedback on the list. > > You may now skip the rest of this mail. > > First, some background. Hellos in Babel carry a monotonically increasing > sequence number (seqno) which must be synchronised between sender and > receiver. Since there is a single seqno per outgoing interface, every > Hello MUST be sent to all neighbours on each interface -- either over > multicast (RFC 6126) or over exhaustive unicast (allowed in rfc6126bis, > insight due to Margaret). There is some desire -- expressed most vocally > by David and Toke -- to send Hellos over unicast to different neighbours > at different times, which requires either getting rid of the seqno or > adding a per-neighbour outgoing counter in addition to the per-interface > counter. > > Russ White sent me a series of (private) mails that gave some insight into > the issue. In general, the Babel protocol specifies only very loose > coupling between sender and receiver, which makes the protocol easy to > evolve in a compatible manner. Not so with the Hello sub-protocol: the > sender and receiver seqnos are tightly coupled, which makes this > sub-protocol difficult to evolve. I think this analysis is spot on. > > We started the meeting with me giving some background into the problem > (roughly speaking the two paragraphs above). We then did some > brainstorming about what solutions we see: a new type of "unicast" Hello > (David and Toke's proposal, in the current version of the draft). A new > type of seqno-less Hello (my proposal, but it has a serious flaw -- Hello > and seqno-less Hello would support different sets of sub-TLVs). Removing > the seqno from Hellos and bumping the protocol version number to 3 > (Matthieu's proposal, rejected since we're happy with version 2). As well > as some more convoluted ideas (names of the authors withheld in order to > protect the guilty, but I'll be happy to gossip over a beer). > > During this discussion, there were a few interesting insights. Margaret > expressed some doubts about the usefulness of different Hello intervals > for different neighbours. She noted that our intuition that one should > reduce the Hello interval for marginal neighbours might be incorrect: > quite the opposite, since with a shorter interval short-term outages might > be spuriously detected as link drops. Agreed, although the length of the > window is not necessarily related to the interval. More experimentation > and experience is needed. > > David expressed some ideas about using driver data instead of Hello drop > rate. We agreed that this might be mentioned in Appendix C, but is only > reasonable for implementors that control the whole OS. (I wonder who that > can be.) > > Matthieu suggests that we might want to test both multicast and unicast > reachability before using a neighbour for routing, since unicast-only link > failures happen sometimes. David noticied that IHU does that. Matthieu > noticed that IHU can be sent over multicast too (and is in the reference > implementation, ndlr). > > IHU with AE 0 is used by David over unicast only. He's in favour of > leaving it in the protocol, but forbidding it for multicast. I disagree, > I'll write that up on the list. > > At this point, the discussion was moving away from the Unicast hellos, so > we decided that we don't have an idea that is significantly better than > the current David-Toke proposal (there was one dissenting voice). We went > back to my mail of yesterday evening, and there was clear consensus on the > following two points: > > - we leave unicast Hellos in (no to proposal 1); > - we don't delegate them to a future ducument (no to proposal 2). > > Right now, the document contains a mild contradiction: you MUST be able to > parse unicast Hellos, but you are allowed to essentially ignore them. We > have agreed that we're going to tweak the document to make unicast Hellos > more optional, and see whether we can make it so it gives more convincing > advice to the implementor. > > Therefore, we'll try to write up proposal 3 -- keep the packet format, but > make it somewhat more optional. The actual protocol will remain mostly > unchanges, only the level of MUST-ness will shift. > > Thanks to everyone, > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Thu Jul 20 06:27:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0483131451 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VL_wZQSR_tAZ for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D0F8126E3A for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1500557260; bh=ZNzKsSnPKAAJuv370CsmGqkE3PRePYn7awalVm980IE=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Bnb6dvXMOC8URilnz9DGxssnk/Ykfz3uV121KIMfyozVj9ELvqBYphG/uFM25OLIJ xXReTSgQSH1LGBclM/lVg4gtILqQPcM0kpPgibTCAeOeyW4uTSQQiX4hSnkKMZbYAe lUImRKmv2aNudxcpRLsNQZpZEPhlDiwDly6/glBrVZ1sKK468FLj0f+beZ10CAZB6h YjU8KDMa0bU+dD7EPpPvWH0oq+mYZTjLHubeC07R+sHxd8GfMEBH/CzDBMmfQlwagh DM8ywHUnkUWRGqJbITWfxXof4g9ujs/ZJOgWRWjlVdnOUW5Pf5If+C7mcICFKsRX8Y GehUIrswwgp2Q== To: Juliusz Chroboczek , babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <87mv80xv95.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87mv80xv95.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:27:37 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87vamnme5y.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Summary of the top-secret unicast Hellos meeting X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 13:27:47 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > Dear all, > > TL;DR version: we keep unicast Hellos but make them optional. We write > this up in the rfc6126bis draft, and see how well it reads. We then > request feedback on the list. I have updated my unicast hello implementation to comply with what is currently in rfc6126bis (I think). Code (still untested) here: https://github.com/tohojo/bird/tree/babel-unicast -Toke From nobody Thu Jul 20 07:12:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27891131892 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6KK2UD3qsRZ9 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9FC612704A for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6KECChd002581; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:12:12 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B511EB2FC; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:12:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 80FZ_7lYgE04; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:12:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (dhcp-8e8a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.142.138]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3BB1EB2F8; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:12:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:12:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgnjmc3i.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= Cc: babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <87vamnme5y.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87mv80xv95.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87vamnme5y.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:12:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5970BA3C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5970BA3C.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5970BA3C.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Summary of the top-secret unicast Hellos meeting X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:12:16 -0000 > https://github.com/tohojo/bird/tree/babel-unicast Looks good to me. Encapsulating the Hello history into a struct is a good idea, I might use the same factoring for the specification text. Could you please explain ifa->cf->unicast_mode? Any ideas about improving link quality estimation would be useful. -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Jul 20 07:28:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CB213146C for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kysN0CxxvUZV for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 363CB120725 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6KESOKx010616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:24 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6KESO3I006510; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:24 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21925EB2F8; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id cqaIVsOQ08-Z; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (dhcp-8e8a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.142.138]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A6CCEB2F0; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87k233mbcd.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: David Schinazi Cc: babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <98717A22-9C7C-42C3-AE8A-97A5DFA44427@apple.com> References: <87k234xuo3.wl-jch@irif.fr> <98717A22-9C7C-42C3-AE8A-97A5DFA44427@apple.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:28:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5970BE08.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:28:30 -0000 > My initial preference was to forbid (MUST NOT) IHU_AE=0 over multicast. > Now I understand that it can be used by implementations that do not > want bidirectional detection. I'm fine with making this a SHOULD NOT > as long as we add text in the same paragraph (or close by) that explains > that using IHU_AE=0 over multicast will disable bidirectional detection. Noted and agreed. -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Jul 20 08:14:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FF8131CE3 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:14:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ORoZYc2uHt6j for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89EDB1317CC for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6KFE6nm032751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:06 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id v6KFE5LA023119; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:05 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE38EEB2FC; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id vc6IRcCzGK3C; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.irif.fr (dhcp-8e8a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.142.138]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 572B1EB2D0; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87fudrm989.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= Cc: babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <87vamnme5y.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87mv80xv95.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87vamnme5y.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:14:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5970C8BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:14:10 -0000 > I have updated my unicast hello implementation to comply with what is > currently in rfc6126bis (I think). Code (still untested) here: > https://github.com/tohojo/bird/tree/babel-unicast In case you want to test interop, see the branch rfc6126bis of the babeld repository. Right now it's ignoring unicast Hellos, it should be using them within a few minutes. -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Jul 20 09:07:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1328F13192B for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:07:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHuwQkekzo_O for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7EF512F268 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:06:47 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1500566813; bh=qb8LehHIFe3VMUY17o2t+hpQxXcjl+Jn1oatoYgEafs=; h=Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:CC:From:From; b=HGzBmcZI0sRO7txYbAAEssgPsQMjEXarwKfSkTdt1wPR870+HXULHTsYEValY/48W ndmLFX4bFrdTEo8pLJDJVKYpD/VUqFIwxbdM8Bi33zeIqG+dSK8MghflChrREU8Juc ctFwVUDVv4OrqhwH3knHYM7pz5Ut0w8bZwAuAF6iIM5fQjIE0BF2V2VvHhijY9xHvM Q+YjEJyxiljhYshi/xfn5qJJIHdOkok798LO8072WJUA0bxJpcm130Hf3nvdYDssqL O5p+PYpqOElq8iWG/DDS7xNItUf835D+drT0c+uml5FhnomueHx67Q2MmGLT3md85m /7emH5S7ZebRA== In-Reply-To: <87lgnjmc3i.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87mv80xv95.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87vamnme5y.fsf@toke.dk> <87lgnjmc3i.wl-jch@irif.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Juliusz Chroboczek CC: babel@ietf.org From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Toke_H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <6AD9E808-66F3-40CE-9B78-17733BA41F12@toke.dk> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Summary of the top-secret unicast Hellos meeting X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 16:07:03 -0000 On 20 July 2017 16:12:17 CEST, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> https://github=2Ecom/tohojo/bird/tree/babel-unicast > >Looks good to me=2E Encapsulating the Hello history into a struct is a >good >idea, I might use the same factoring for the specification text=2E Yeah, that could probably work for text as well=20 >Could you please explain ifa->cf->unicast_mode? That's the unicast configuration setting=2E At present, it's just a binary= setting (called 'prefer unicast'), which will enable the sending of unicas= t hellos, and switch to using the unicast hello history to compute the cost= to any peer that sends them=2E I'm planning to expand the option to also support disabling multicast enti= rely, and to support specifying unicast peers in the configuration file=2E = I have also yet to add support for sending other TLVs as unicast=2E >Any ideas about improving link quality estimation would be useful=2E Yeah, haven't gotten to that part yet=2E=2E=2E -Toke From nobody Fri Jul 21 04:48:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CF1131667 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 04:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U-JoRJMxtEz5 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 04:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF168131A7E for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 04:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6LBmJQ2024463 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:48:19 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E21EB274 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:48:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 1ke0YvzdsX7N for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:48:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-88ea.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.136.234]) (Authenticated sender: boutier) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28C63EB2F0 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:48:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Matthieu Boutier Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EA081435-B1C0-4EAE-BA61-7D7C1CEACED2" Message-Id: <048FE0D8-F651-4FB0-8980-421C2F8FFC8D@irif.fr> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:47:59 +0200 To: Babel at IETF Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:48:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5971EA03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5971EA03.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5971EA03.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Notes on 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:48:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EA081435-B1C0-4EAE-BA61-7D7C1CEACED2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The current 6126bis draft is sometimes using (prefix, plen) and sometimes (prefix). I think that this is an implementation detail: prefixes obviously have a length. Patch attached. The draft has inconsistent index ordering. Patch attached. The draft use sometimes "route table", and sometimes "routing table". A choice should be made. Missing IANA considerations. From earlier email: 0 -- special format (Pad1); 1-111 -- non-mandatory, specification required; 112-126 -- non-mandatory, local and experimental use; 127 -- reserved for expansion of the non-mandatory space; 128-239 -- mandatory, specification required; 240-254 -- mandatory, local and experimental use; 255 -- reserved for expansion of the mandatory space. Matthieu --Apple-Mail=_EA081435-B1C0-4EAE-BA61-7D7C1CEACED2 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Remove-the-explicit-plen-field.patch Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="0001-Remove-the-explicit-plen-field.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom=20650447718422cb0a3aaac578efe8f3e005f35fc5=20Mon=20Sep=2017=20= 00:00:00=202001=0AFrom:=20Matthieu=20Boutier=20=0ADate:=20= Fri,=2021=20Jul=202017=2011:32:42=20+0200=0ASubject:=20[PATCH=201/2]=20= Remove=20the=20explicit=20plen=20field.=0A=0A---=0A=20= .../draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20|=2089=20+++++++++++-----------=0A=201=20file=20changed,=2043=20= insertions(+),=2046=20deletions(-)=0A=0Adiff=20--git=20= a/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=20= b/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0Aindex=20= 25737f4..53fee19=20100644=0A---=20= a/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0A+++=20= b/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0A@@=20= -639,11=20+639,10=20@@=20wireless=20nodes=20with=20multiple=20radios=20= are=20involved.=0A=20=0A=20= =0A=20The=20source=20table=20is=20used=20to=20record=20feasibility=20= distances.=20=20It=20is=20indexed=0A-by=20triples=20of=20the=20form=20= (prefix,=20plen,=20router-id),=20and=20every=20source=20table=0A-entry=20= contains=20the=20following=20data:=0A+by=20pairs=20of=20the=20form=20= (prefix,=20router-id),=20and=20every=20source=20table=20entry=0A= +contains=20the=20following=20data:=0A=20=0A= -the=20prefix=20(prefix,=20plen),=20where=20plen=20is=20the=20prefix=20= length,=20that=20this=0A-entry=20applies=20to;=0A+the=20prefix=20= that=20this=20entry=20applies=20to;=0A=20the=20router-id=20of=20a=20= router=20originating=20this=20prefix;=0A=20a=20pair=20(seqno,=20= metric),=20this=20source's=20feasibility=20distance.=0A=20=0A= @@=20-658,10=20+657,10=20@@=20on=20the=20order=20of=20minutes=20and=20= 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=20=0A-If=20an=20entry=20(prefix,=20plen,=20router-id,=20seqno',=20= metric')=20exists,=20then=20it=0A-is=20updated=20as=20follows:=0A+If=20= an=20entry=20(prefix,=20router-id,=20seqno',=20metric')=20exists,=20then=20= it=20is=0A+updated=20as=20follows:=0A=20=0A=20=20= =20if=20seqno=20>=20seqno',=20then=20seqno'=20:=3D=20seqno,=20= metric'=20:=3D=20metric;=0A=20=20=20if=20seqno=20=3D=20seqno'=20= and=20metric'=20>=20metric,=20then=20metric'=20:=3D=20metric;=0A= @@=20-1255,10=20+1252,10=20@@=20unicast=20address=20of=20the=20neighbour=20= that=20sent=20the=20update.=0A=20=0A=20=0A=20=0A-When=20a=20= node=20receives=20a=20route=20request=20for=20a=20prefix=20(prefix,=20= plen),=20it=0A-checks=20its=20route=20table=20for=20a=20selected=20route=20= to=20this=20exact=20prefix.=20=20If=20such=0A-a=20route=20exists,=20it=20= MUST=20send=20an=20update;=20if=20such=20a=20route=20does=20not,=20it=20= MUST=0A-send=20a=20retraction=20for=20that=20prefix.=0A+When=20a=20= node=20receives=20a=20route=20request=20for=20a=20given=20prefix,=20it=20= checks=20its=0A+route=20table=20for=20a=20selected=20route=20to=20this=20= exact=20prefix.=20=20If=20such=20a=20route=0A+exists,=20it=20MUST=20send=20= an=20update;=20if=20such=20a=20route=20does=20not,=20it=20MUST=20send=20= a=0A+retraction=20for=20that=20prefix.=0A=20=0A=20When=20a=20node=20= receives=20a=20wildcard=20route=20request,=20it=20SHOULD=20send=20a=20= full=0A=20routing=20table=20dump.=0A@@=20-1267,15=20+1264,15=20@@=20= routing=20table=20dump.=0A=20=0A=20=0A=20=0A-When=20a=20= node=20receives=20a=20seqno=20request=20for=20a=20given=20router-id=20= and=20sequence=0A-number,=20it=20checks=20whether=20its=20routing=20= table=20contains=20a=20selected=20entry=20for=0A-that=20prefix.=20=20If=20= a=20selected=20route=20for=20the=20given=20prefix=20exists,=20it=20has=0A= -finite=20metric,=20and=20either=20the=20router-ids=20are=20different=20= 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=46rom=20698eb536dea3d926fe2ed270b6c8bf7b932364c9=20Mon=20Sep=2017=20= 00:00:00=202001=0AFrom:=20Matthieu=20Boutier=20=0ADate:=20= Fri,=2021=20Jul=202017=2013:20:49=20+0200=0ASubject:=20[PATCH=202/2]=20= Consistent=20use=20of=20indexes.=0A=0A---=0A=20= .../draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20|=2019=20++++++++++---------=0A=201=20file=20changed,=20= 10=20insertions(+),=209=20deletions(-)=0A=0Adiff=20--git=20= a/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=20= b/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0Aindex=20= 53fee19..4725057=20100644=0A---=20= a/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0A+++=20= b/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0A@@=20= -689,11=20+689,11=20@@=20all=20routes=20with=20the=20same=20source.=0A= =20=0A=20=0A=20=0A-The=20table=20of=20pending=20seqno=20requests=20= 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it=20checks=0A-whether=20it=20already=20has=20a=20routing=20table=20= entry=20indexed=20by=20(neigh,=20prefix).=0A+whether=20it=20already=20= has=20a=20routing=20table=20entry=20indexed=20by=20(prefix,=0A= +neigh).=0A=20=0A=20If=20no=20such=20entry=20exists:=0A=20=0A=20=20=20if=20the=20update=20is=20unfeasible,=20= it=20MAY=20be=20ignored;=0A=20=20=20if=20the=20metric=20is=20= infinite=20(the=20update=20is=20a=20retraction=20of=20a=20route=20we=0A=20= =20=20do=20not=20know=20about),=20the=20update=20is=20ignored;=0A-=20= =20otherwise,=20a=20new=20route=20table=20entry=20is=20created,=20= indexed=20by=20(neigh,=0A-=20=20prefix),=20with=20source=20equal=20to=20= (router-id,=20prefix),=20seqno=20equal=20to=20seqno=0A+=20=20= otherwise,=20a=20new=20route=20table=20entry=20is=20created,=20= indexed=20by=20(prefix,=0A+=20=20neigh),=20with=20source=20equal=20to=20= (prefix,=20router-id),=20seqno=20equal=20to=20seqno=0A=20=20=20and=20an=20= 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 21:31:19 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_hK/+cix2XSFYZReJnOa9OQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Matthieu, - patches look good to me, thanks for writing them - just a thought, should we mark 128 as reserved for symmetry with 0? David > On Jul 21, 2017, at 13:47, Matthieu Boutier wrote: > > The current 6126bis draft is sometimes using (prefix, plen) > and sometimes (prefix). I think that this is an implementation > detail: prefixes obviously have a length. Patch attached. > > The draft has inconsistent index ordering. Patch attached. > > The draft use sometimes "route table", and sometimes "routing > table". A choice should be made. > > Missing IANA considerations. From earlier email: > > 0 -- special format (Pad1); > 1-111 -- non-mandatory, specification required; > 112-126 -- non-mandatory, local and experimental use; > 127 -- reserved for expansion of the non-mandatory space; > 128-239 -- mandatory, specification required; > 240-254 -- mandatory, local and experimental use; > 255 -- reserved for expansion of the mandatory space. > > Matthieu > --Boundary_(ID_hK/+cix2XSFYZReJnOa9OQ) Content-type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; name=0001-Remove-the-explicit-plen-field.patch Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Remove-the-explicit-plen-field.patch =46rom=20650447718422cb0a3aaac578efe8f3e005f35fc5=20Mon=20Sep=2017=20= 00:00:00=202001=0AFrom:=20Matthieu=20Boutier=20=0ADate:=20= Fri,=2021=20Jul=202017=2011:32:42=20+0200=0ASubject:=20[PATCH=201/2]=20= Remove=20the=20explicit=20plen=20field.=0A=0A---=0A=20= .../draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20|=2089=20+++++++++++-----------=0A=201=20file=20changed,=2043=20= insertions(+),=2046=20deletions(-)=0A=0Adiff=20--git=20= a/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=20= b/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0Aindex=20= 25737f4..53fee19=20100644=0A---=20= a/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0A+++=20= b/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.xml=0A@@=20= -639,11=20+639,10=20@@=20wireless=20nodes=20with=20multiple=20radios=20= are=20involved.=0A=20=0A=20= =0A=20The=20source=20table=20is=20used=20to=20record=20feasibility=20= distances.=20=20It=20is=20indexed=0A-by=20triples=20of=20the=20form=20= (prefix,=20plen,=20router-id),=20and=20every=20source=20table=0A-entry=20= contains=20the=20following=20data:=0A+by=20pairs=20of=20the=20form=20= (prefix,=20router-id),=20and=20every=20source=20table=20entry=0A= +contains=20the=20following=20data:=0A=20=0A= 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=20=20do=20not=20know=20about),=20the=20update=20is=20ignored;=0A-=20= =20otherwise,=20a=20new=20route=20table=20entry=20is=20created,=20= indexed=20by=20(neigh,=0A-=20=20prefix),=20with=20source=20equal=20to=20= (router-id,=20prefix),=20seqno=20equal=20to=20seqno=0A+=20=20= otherwise,=20a=20new=20route=20table=20entry=20is=20created,=20= indexed=20by=20(prefix,=0A+=20=20neigh),=20with=20source=20equal=20to=20= (prefix,=20router-id),=20seqno=20equal=20to=20seqno=0A=20=20=20and=20an=20= advertised=20metric=20equal=20to=20the=20metric=20carried=20by=20the=20= update.=0A=20=0A=20If=20such=20an=20entry=20exists:=0A--=20=0A= 2.13.1=0A=0A= --Boundary_(ID_hK/+cix2XSFYZReJnOa9OQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel --Boundary_(ID_hK/+cix2XSFYZReJnOa9OQ)-- From nobody Fri Jul 21 23:56:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 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From: Matthieu Boutier In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:56:20 +0200 Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <048FE0D8-F651-4FB0-8980-421C2F8FFC8D@irif.fr> To: David Schinazi X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:56:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5972F718.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5972F718.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5972F718.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Notes on 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 06:56:33 -0000 Thanks David, > - just a thought, should we mark 128 as reserved for symmetry with 0? Do you mean "Mandatory Pad 1" ? Because for symmetry, the length would be -1 (no length field)... and IMHO "mandatory Pad 1" sounds really weird ! But if people prefer that please manifest since I'm going to use 128 for the Source Prefix sub-TLV. Matthieu From nobody Sat Jul 22 03:03:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9940D131B79 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 03:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fRT52ags1s4x for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 03:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01F15126557 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 03:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1500717809; bh=9LZB7UGQAjaOjjxRcwgpIUaFk3LeSyn2Ok8F9WFq4us=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=R5BXEVv2J84JVNdspuhj2lyiNZYSV8f030vPKUdEGr0UXB6EQnHB/qjceiddPGmAM pFSTMesndid0FWyUWvwTbhBJujCZk9v8NbnK6MSS6dzRneVuKYI4H0ZpxWI7j5lx4z c4PFCMBWacbNQBiD9VIY3onE+NtI0igH7jeLVS6SqqbKHXzpZG/S9ic+mYZAu4uLY9 TPn+9svAfcSjGaVZtRLKIDKJSi/2x5GOANlK3YB317ONF94Zq7AAuRbhPaoCtkWcE3 Zk+JNog4rrHJ4pWQmxuJX7jCbtRtvFrr36sKdDWebUFhKFmv+Wut3avrBDDc8fwjI4 KlkhMGV5v7l7Q== To: Matthieu Boutier , David Schinazi Cc: Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: References: <048FE0D8-F651-4FB0-8980-421C2F8FFC8D@irif.fr> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:03:26 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87shhon5zl.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Notes on 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:03:38 -0000 Matthieu Boutier writes: > Thanks David, > >> - just a thought, should we mark 128 as reserved for symmetry with 0? > > Do you mean "Mandatory Pad 1" ? Because for symmetry, the length > would be -1 (no length field)... and IMHO "mandatory Pad 1" sounds > really weird ! I would tend to agree that that would just be weird... -Toke From nobody Sat Jul 22 03:49:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F11131DF7 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 03:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mioSTcsW7EJ0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 03:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-in3.euro.apple.com (mail-in.euro.apple.com [17.72.148.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A22E2131DAA for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:49:41 -0000 I didn't mean "Mandatory Pad1" because that makes no sense to me :) I was just thinking of making it "Mandatory Reserved" with a length = field for future expansion but in hindsight I don't have an actual use-case, we already = can use new Mandatory sub-TLVs for future expansion. David > On Jul 22, 2017, at 12:03, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Matthieu Boutier writes: >=20 >> Thanks David, >>=20 >>> - just a thought, should we mark 128 as reserved for symmetry with = 0? >>=20 >> Do you mean "Mandatory Pad 1" ? Because for symmetry, the length >> would be -1 (no length field)... and IMHO "mandatory Pad 1" sounds >> really weird ! >=20 > I would tend to agree that that would just be weird... >=20 > -Toke >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Sat Jul 22 06:21:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E90C129AD1 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1uj0UQ2uDj2 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 06:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7082C127058 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 06:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id v6MDL1AI005926; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:21:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06058EB2CC; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:21:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id ebeFrc1tB7iV; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:21:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mac-matthieu.lan (AAubervilliers-652-1-155-100.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.121.102.100]) (Authenticated sender: boutier) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D341CEB2F0; Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Matthieu Boutier In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:20:59 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , Babel at IETF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <00F098AD-4E7B-4FAB-8A65-A96D40D38526@irif.fr> References: <048FE0D8-F651-4FB0-8980-421C2F8FFC8D@irif.fr> <87shhon5zl.fsf@toke.dk> To: David Schinazi X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:21:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5973513D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 13:21:08 -0000 > I was just thinking of making it "Mandatory Reserved" with a length = field for future > expansion Well, in that case it's no more symmetric with 0: - sub-TLV 0 has no length field, - sub-TLV 0 is already assigned and can't be used for future = extensions=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6 Oh, except if you really like 128 as a number and you wish to keep it = for one of your extensions ! ;-) Matthieu From nobody Sat Jul 29 09:19:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AC1131E39 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:19:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O4XBWGioDRb7 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CBE8129B4C for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v6TGJIKa015502 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:19:18 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CFEEB2F8 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:19:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id uvnZScFlxymu; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:19:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF3B7EB2D0; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:19:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:19:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87d18jxlkr.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Matthieu Boutier Cc: Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: <048FE0D8-F651-4FB0-8980-421C2F8FFC8D@irif.fr> References: <048FE0D8-F651-4FB0-8980-421C2F8FFC8D@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:19:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 597CB586.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 597CB586.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 597CB586.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Notes on 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:19:23 -0000 > The source table is used to record feasibility distances. It is indexed > -by triples of the form (prefix, plen, router-id), and every source table > -entry contains the following data: > +by pairs of the form (prefix, router-id), and every source table entry > +contains the following data: That's wrong, Matthieu. The feasibility distance depends on the router-id, so the source table is indexed by triples (prefix, plen, router-id). -- Juliusz From nobody Sat Jul 29 09:21:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C967131D28 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z87UJeHq1Cqp for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55CDD129B4C for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v6TGLaYw015751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:36 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/75695) with ESMTP id v6TGLag7002783 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:36 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE1EEB2D0 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id yzgiV40boD9E; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mac-matthieu.lan (AAubervilliers-652-1-222-176.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.112.109.176]) (Authenticated sender: boutier) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ACB1EEB342; Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Matthieu Boutier In-Reply-To: <87d18jxlkr.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:35 +0200 Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7896E550-EAE3-4B46-A783-8B94029E3038@irif.fr> References: <048FE0D8-F651-4FB0-8980-421C2F8FFC8D@irif.fr> <87d18jxlkr.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:21:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 597CB610.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:21:40 -0000 The patch does not touch to "router-id", it removes "plen", which is part of the prefix. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:23:53 -0000 > The patch does not touch to "router-id", it removes "plen", which is part > of the prefix. Right, sorry.