From nobody Thu Aug 3 10:40:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324E813232F for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QiBzVN-BRuFG for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09D5B13232D for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 77so901291itj.1 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=H0IJnu5CcGDbj74ctFYb8NPCDGUyKEOn8CH8C5jelBY=; b=RaKluRBFFTDhrRsHW0Xt1Sxs1qO7/GdNZVL3e3M4/LbloJ7gwGZnVQwXefYhYYSAAB Owl0Rl7HMRebkaKsBrxtrZXkp/eSNJ2SQ3rETV2PhKAp0oSZfM09q533EdEpfVle84k/ sueRTXSJ8YS11vUaxgPfcGRtePMiXNskkgpzs1b6SdolhdVkjQholdt4OsC60QY3nrEr 7S1EK9/sictgXTK1BMCJlKKnlG6lVYogHFSmPYfeDrLag2A9Pl75Dx7CILQi43HlgJjw n2OHIb9blvqCvjsl5BddptdjSTW1Wdun881dEklFHbulQqXMlVZFnF56RExJoKd3d1ug mGcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=H0IJnu5CcGDbj74ctFYb8NPCDGUyKEOn8CH8C5jelBY=; b=Yuf/88jYIXkLB0Y0g/7apAM5XPkWRh/zt/GssPaAEMQ+PtoqiPbpMzwDI3K7AleaqL /cBOMJY3dFbJCzcqs91sJF7T/7gxXEDPQOzDOY4+Cf4JCCb/3SeQxvke/wtDnj/xtH5y 6imY1JJgkeLlmxLRtYrJfPMaqm8UaJNKUOZDvb98b2IAZx5oT1bcN7LTOAgzeDLxiNwX YLsIU2im0himMhwKnKcEM8ebv5E80+uAAV1qHIj9alLwuesAnPEYuDRhmooGHAF+avIL mrw6vf48HVVfQbkTDL+wVqW6DRMjsirQK2hRDOJEGIViDqx++pxDIutYbpg1m01qs3sL mjSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw113oYeS65ZCuKcz4Henk3caZzULQOSTTMHqkQ067w9QJChl6fn9H 7IcUfmn7yL1bQBCGqB4wS/5qMvutZwSfGh4= X-Received: by 10.36.210.133 with SMTP id z127mr95980itf.120.1501782001140; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.84.2 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:39:45 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05f816b54a4d0555dcde22" Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Draft minutes posted X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:40:03 -0000 --94eb2c05f816b54a4d0555dcde22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Draft minutes of the Babel meeting at the last IETF meeting in Prague were posted a while ago. Corrections welcome. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/materials/minutes-99-babel Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com --94eb2c05f816b54a4d0555dcde22 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Draft minutes of the Babel meeting = at the last IETF meeting in Prague were posted a while ago. Corrections wel= come. See

Thanks,
Donald
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--94eb2c05f816b54a4d0555dcde22-- From nobody Thu Aug 3 11:27:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7F112DDD0; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:27:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150178485211.7148.1968300290398339315.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:27:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] The BABEL WG has placed draft-boutier-babel-source-specific in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:27:32 -0000 The BABEL WG has placed draft-boutier-babel-source-specific in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Donald Eastlake) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutier-babel-source-specific/ Comment: Discussed at IETF 99. See https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/babel/current/msg00831.html From nobody Thu Aug 3 11:29:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5585E12DDD0; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZPPbu2YGC2Ee; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2458127B73; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id v127so1599555itd.0; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AxpLeuNblAPniZrsw30d4zvv46VXnuiG0ONMwhv73tY=; b=Zk2h0fEFy1RbrF+Nmb5ehC7S1xl9JMGT7LA3veFIY4R7WhPmyW+rNnHFjnbUeKITT1 r7yKpzqJbGzkY8SylfmqlbwpLBoE/5koBVwvmLlvLfI+JZ8L9Tqe+2qOBjTkCAWub2rI TWjIE+Xl8kRUwunpob+nIF5ZRjHF/sWUjb/AfciVyPrf8+7ed7fS+vo3nOBMxUqppavG PPmSTGWomTyBzxIrmZuqajqj3bLZ0ADpNqiiK8LIW6txXNqNwrXSu62CfmXQgYWlFADy MusJl8spgvg3dXwmnp2B7Wo1qu6UIjuMqDE0zGkn6GLgQH2DkU3qPumRE/9Kmv/OlNHA OAPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AxpLeuNblAPniZrsw30d4zvv46VXnuiG0ONMwhv73tY=; b=r9W29Kl6MIsp9AIdP2AtElXU6b2ouOoocY4j71SF6sCSMhr7B4Be9Y/nHH0ikOyhmm hH4lKM1h2EpLcS7Bm9RaVlBOslXDYhBDYzxw10OFZLtIdKlXgAzOe050nmXt0tboj5mZ nA+9qmgMdVWCTZ/ctBHOPhw0Y00tahkVNErYSmUFaowDG1v/uuRA4FK1qU3iXlAIAkQE yxRqdhU6+VqtyShBmFD7pVIZa1Itp4Mtbq84pcqSIJNXEv7Xkf7nWdt3Epvyg+Sb7Cyv tTaQDlROGJp87pBIIkGD6HAFb54d2w3GNEFbXhrbGn8iahMucW8dg1BVi+s0rMxe+vRe bDNg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw11110MCx+Im4gjj+VBpiING03bHp/7NZ0g+W8Iv1q9/PapHCCDUD wQlvAA1drWWAAlSVInSW0ClDSVL12cHQ X-Received: by 10.36.153.198 with SMTP id a189mr232411ite.133.1501784964008; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.84.2 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:29:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <150178485211.7148.1968300290398339315.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <150178485211.7148.1968300290398339315.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Cc: draft-boutier-babel-source-specific@ietf.org, babel-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c08e5584f15ff0555dd8f4d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] The BABEL WG has placed draft-boutier-babel-source-specific in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:29:26 -0000 --94eb2c08e5584f15ff0555dd8f4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This is just a belated state transition for the draft. There has been excellent support so I strongly suspect that in a few days I'll be announcing its adoption. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:27 PM, IETF Secretariat < ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote: > > The BABEL WG has placed draft-boutier-babel-source-specific in state > Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Donald Eastlake) > > The document is available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutier-babel-source-specific/ > > Comment: > Discussed at IETF 99. 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This is just a belated state transition for the draft. The= re has been excellent support so I strongly suspect that in a few days I= 9;ll be announcing its adoption.

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Thank= s,
Donald
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0= +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.= com

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:27 PM, IETF Secreta= riat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote:<= br>

The BABEL WG has placed draft-boutier-babel-source-specific in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Donald Eastlake)

The document is available at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutier-babel-source-specific/

Comment:
Discussed at IETF 99. See
https://www.ietf.org/mail-arch= ive/web/babel/current/msg00831.html

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Hi,

There has been good support for dra= ft-boutier-babel-source-specific so I declare that it has been adopted by t= he BABEL WG.

Thanks,
Donald=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-227= 0 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Donald East= lake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
This message begins a call for support or objections to WG adoption of<= br> draft-boutier-bable-source-specific. Since people may be busy with the=
IETF meeting, this runs for a bit more than the usual 2 weeks, until 6
August 2017.

Thanks,
Donald and Russ (Co-chairs)

--001a1141c0428824ab05561aaa45-- From nobody Fri Aug 11 08:58:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6911276AF; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 08:57:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150246707901.24547.9253671911472432204@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 08:57:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-00.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:57:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : Source-Specific Routing in Babel Authors : Matthieu Boutier Juliusz Chroboczek Filename : draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-08-11 Abstract: This document describes an extension to the Babel routing protocol to support source-specific routing. 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The draft-ietf-babel-source-specific has been added to the babel-drafts repository, and updated to reflect consensus: https://github.com/jech/babel-drafts The patch also includes a lot of bug fixes... :-) Cheers, Matthieu From nobody Sat Aug 12 05:53:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05516131D6B; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 05:53:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S4rjsDmeDfk0; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1802131CCC; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7142; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1502542414; x=1503752014; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=Og0ATlLvXDk2PsO/TSA11IgG/kBWUY58n5HNj/nSztM=; b=VjjswhtCgGEuSKWreOKV5AQD28ERKtKAm+5Jrj49Xd8NW9CeTd7hCcOy B5oueNilvah0rg3ncB/WQX1jDlsmxMjliWdytoC8CFxScMjSDYZUA8P08 UJ/kjnkyR64LtQbXI9Iewh+LzmozGPNFRkp04iU4DVgfCE4w7oererke/ E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DKBAC4+Y5Z/4gNJK1eGwEBAQMBAQEJA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBgm9rZIEUB54WklGHR4VHAhqEXEIVAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFGQYjBmIBAgY/AwI?= =?us-ascii?q?EMBQHAQYFBAESFAeJMGSqT4IXDyeLOgEBAQEBAQEDAQEBAQEBASGDKIICgUyBY?= =?us-ascii?q?yuCfIE8g22CXTCCMQWYDYgkApQ6klWWFAE1IoEKdxVbAYUQgXd2iHmBDwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,363,1498521600"; d="scan'208,217";a="281802499" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 12 Aug 2017 12:53:33 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (xch-aln-001.cisco.com [173.36.7.11]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v7CCrX7F000656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:53:33 GMT Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:53:32 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:53:32 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "manet@ietf.org" , "babel@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [gaia] GAIA - Minutes from 19 July Meeting posted and Next Steps Thread-Index: AQHTE2oAnNujam9wgUC76jDVPyEQ+Q== Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:53:32 +0000 Message-ID: <14EC404A-BCFF-4C7E-86F5-1B4D05876D76@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.22.0.170515 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.6] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_14EC404ABCFF4C7E86F51B4D05876D76ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] FW: [gaia] GAIA - Minutes from 19 July Meeting posted and Next Steps X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EA06132415; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dancer.taht.net (unknown [IPv6:2603:3024:1536:86f0:eea8:6bff:fefe:9a2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.taht.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82FDE21367; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:13:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Dave Taht To: Matthieu Boutier Cc: "STARK\, BARBARA H" , Donald Eastlake , "babel-chairs\@ietf.org" , Babel at IETF References: <88123076-E90A-4E37-BB0B-0551158455F0@apple.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:13:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Matthieu Boutier's message of "Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:53:28 +0200") Message-ID: <87k225aovz.fsf@taht.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Call for WG adoption of draft-boutier-babel-source-specific X-BeenThere: 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:14:01 -0000 I as well. Matthieu Boutier writes: > Of course, I support it too ! > > Matthieu > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Fri Aug 18 12:02:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586DF126CB6; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 12:02:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: babel-chairs@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com, babel@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150308294226.14023.3920460210833904392.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 12:02:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] babel - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:02:22 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, a Chair of the babel working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Babel routing protocol Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Donald Eastlake Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 45 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: netconf netmod rtgwg idr lpwan homenet manet mptcp Second Priority: dnsop 6man v6ops trill i2rs Third Priority: saag isis ospf dnssd People who must be present: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd Russ White Alia Atlas Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Aug 21 13:36:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4EC132ABF for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:36:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1MHhmadD1dY for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 707D6132ABE for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v7LKac3r012158 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:36:38 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697E8EB207 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:36:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 4yhf2jELAzq6 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:36:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (user-46-112-177-130.play-internet.pl [46.112.177.130]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B58A1EB3C2 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:36:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:36:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 599B4456.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 599B4456.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 599B4456.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Updated 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:36:44 -0000 Dear all, I've just spent much of the last two days going linearly through 6126bis and doing my best to fix the language and make minor clarifications. I've also updated the Security and IANA Considerations sections. I haven't uploaded the document yet, it's on github for now. The plan is to sleep over it, then submit -04 within a few days, then ask the respectable Working Group for Last Call. Speak now, of forever hold your peace. Donald, I'd be grateful if you could look through the IANA Considerations section and let me know if it is okay for IANA. You'll find it here: https://github.com/jech/babel-drafts/commit/2785aa86c1fbee113d82dc4695a628b466d08a46 David, I've tried my best to express the fact that sending/receiving Multicast Hellos is strongly recommended, and that Unicast is optional. Please review my work. Everyone, please check the wording of the Security Considerations. I'm not good at Security. Everyone, please read through the document, and complain if it's not perfect in all ways. Thanks, -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Aug 22 01:05:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203BC126B71; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 01:05:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150338910807.6009.15084317560014335583@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 01:05:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-01.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:05:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : Source-Specific Routing in Babel Authors : Matthieu Boutier Juliusz Chroboczek Filename : draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2017-08-22 Abstract: Source-specific routing is an extension to traditional next-hop routing where packets are forwarded according to both their destination and their source address. This document describes the source-specific routing extension to the Standard Track's Babel routing protocol defined in [BABEL]. It is incompatible with the Experimental Track's Babel [RFC6126]. Source-specific routing is also known as Source Address Dependent Routing, SAD Routing, SADR, Destination/Source Routing or Source/ Destination Routing. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-source-specific/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 12:44:19 -0000 Some previous comments (see [1]): The current 6126bis draft is sometimes using (prefix, plen) and sometimes (prefix). The draft has inconsistent index ordering. The draft use sometimes "route table", and sometimes "routing table". And a question: in IANA considerations, why re-specifying Pad1 and PadN, and not the other TLVs values, while saying "The values in this registry are not changed by this specification."? Matthieu [1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/babel/current/msg00852.html From nobody Tue Aug 22 07:41:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DE81329BA for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 07:41:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m6nDEyRUBPAW for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 07:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DC061329B9 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 07:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v7MEf1xD029911 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:41:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693C0EC66F for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:41:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id oyQ3jDyIDIbo; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (user-46-112-235-57.play-internet.pl [46.112.235.57]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D40DEC4B9; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:40:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:40:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87fucj3bt3.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Matthieu Boutier Cc: babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:41:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 599C427D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 599C427D.002 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 599C427D.002 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Updated 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:41:05 -0000 > The current 6126bis draft is sometimes using (prefix, plen) > and sometimes (prefix). The intent is that formal text (e.g. data structures) uses "(prefix, plen)", while "the prefix" is allowable in prose. I'll do a pass to make it uniform. > The draft has inconsistent index ordering. Yeah. Not a big deal, but I'll make a pass. > The draft use sometimes "route table", and sometimes "routing > table". I'll check. > And a question: in IANA considerations, why re-specifying Pad1 > and PadN, and not the other TLVs values, while saying "The values > in this registry are not changed by this specification."? Because Pad1 and PadN were specificied in 6126, which this document updates, so the reference in the IANA registry needs to change, while the others were specified in other documents, so the reference doesn't need to change. -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Aug 22 13:25:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984D51329E9 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AvZTrmowU_sQ for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com (mail-oi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74A8C132714 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id f11so197313932oic.0 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ebuJ2DBIZlubdQZc1pYqy8dNMGLM6ntcaW4iZjSeHH8=; b=W2O1/XOHRMygfCbLRPxAcwtbcsJHrafYJiCgosR1iTe1d3Xww9xKMplisg5oNf4YSC TLzsZzAw/+9MVkcefv0OF2/hXfvdat7ofvUeUAvTnZkNGffwIa8bCT7AUYf9rNKBL0Xv AJhBWx49hpP0Wf7hNC0N7kQbcC3VRoMTumbtbOrDQ5JfGi5SxrpXEz0jtl6SU3A5/zfK 4nJpXSEUE5XPIEbMtKZItqJzHALho9OQlu7RvSj1wYGcGBmrAllbfRYMEEGCCAxpCM38 vWViubP0zFh4+HgAY+o4x4LATAcJMDByioEjySedGJDxDd9ZupwpJ3gsFqgytNJ4LOp4 FDZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ebuJ2DBIZlubdQZc1pYqy8dNMGLM6ntcaW4iZjSeHH8=; b=jOf5m1JjBvDPYvqXfCmhWAA9NBpmpK1/2+V0F7lc7XkhDJUT7e8fOc7m51QLXCHgiW Lhv1SeUDTQNXFku3fWMFQZO0yxPdWgaOsSExk5F6mSTZVlZxH/50anHVJ8v5Bf0cY97D ICwoLNTLFLReSz8t7F0IbfHzgdGSvlGYBLyfNWwEqNxZy4e1KS+AdJtAbCgDSsIbi+3N qPYlQfCwPpB3ZMrdeWOOgn3ZUDFOXFJraYw8wUNs6VAciGVOyyYF5oooqsAN2k2pcjnX 5hIWxg9NahPlD/VtwnkZU8vd1snIlQR+9pezgyNtu8FP21AN8UT9Jq7oFWk3R0X3+25x uThw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5iZNKKs36LblEO0j8omLzWYQKNI8YYmVUNTzIQaD83Dt3ekUQFS sEd1IdtbSY5yUz3el5nvbIYFYhN/1w== X-Received: by 10.202.107.131 with SMTP id g125mr453363oic.29.1503433499752; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.168.183.10 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:24:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Updated 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:25:03 -0000 Hi Juliusz, On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > Dear all, > > I've just spent much of the last two days going linearly through 6126bis > and doing my best to fix the language and make minor clarifications. I've > also updated the Security and IANA Considerations sections. I haven't > uploaded the document yet, it's on github for now. > > The plan is to sleep over it, then submit -04 within a few days, then ask > the respectable Working Group for Last Call. Speak now, of forever hold > your peace. > > Donald, I'd be grateful if you could look through the IANA Considerations > section and let me know if it is okay for IANA. You'll find it here: > > https://github.com/jech/babel-drafts/commit/2785aa86c1fbee113d82dc4695a628b466d08a46 My suggestions on the IANA Considerations Section: - I think it would fit better with the way these sorts of things are usually written to add two line to the "Babel sub-TLV Types" registry: 4-111 Available for non-mandatory sub-TLV types and 128-239 Available for mandatory sub-TLV types or something like that. - Add a sentence saying "replace all references to [RFC6126] and [RFC7557] with references to [this document]. > David, I've tried my best to express the fact that sending/receiving > Multicast Hellos is strongly recommended, and that Unicast is optional. > Please review my work. > > Everyone, please check the wording of the Security Considerations. I'm > not good at Security. I suggest dropping the reference to IKEv2 which I don't think is normally used as a method of securing general unicast traffic. > Everyone, please read through the document, and complain if it's not > perfect in all ways. Does this document really, as you stated in your reply to Matthieu, update RFC 6126? I think that it probably, in IETF terminology, obsoletes both RFC 6126 and RFC 7557. So an "Obsoletes: 6126, 7557" line should be added at the top left of the title page. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Thanks, > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Tue Aug 22 14:04:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A76132A61 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LdBycw_cOTCG for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com (mail-qt0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E5A8132A33 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v29so102798098qtv.3 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=TPTovPp8Pu2Wt+4ddOwsMDnfP2CX96J9yKly9YwIiw0=; b=uIB/4a5FMgFFuiXop8WZth2tkto2aZOS8Dqyc+hins8FX/RxRsIGkmuiW2awUp97Mj jh40LDug8/gqXQxt8Jf3x19QNq8apaxYBoUGINFj6d2lY0XnsWJEfcykAsMGzBgLcE/l z95PAX2d2cXBZM8ee78ZK8wbN1h3SITfPafElWhM0MC9zNex/1rhhdrOr0K4j2iBltu2 eTXSy9xG2qkIomDemxXLPM4eK1tZemIsLAVgAPzcYDGqbXwOAF6ja4EaEwSspyNdAqoz qu1y5RrqHZtf0PnnoCRKwfavggD1ssW+Rnr8vXn3iHpgWVa4rHpAvZAnIk2Vf6oYtXVN FoEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=TPTovPp8Pu2Wt+4ddOwsMDnfP2CX96J9yKly9YwIiw0=; b=ExX5NOBtkKJRq/pDWmu00EUcBkfVkrQhas1xA2C4AsckGs6ernAzpmJuDMVsmQJEGb FQYeEQarcrKaPu9n36mb8L+nH4vnaDeC0vCzk9cuCQ9nIHPeL2oRYvu2aQWldcM0MAfn vCigL7IbJLSrPJ2PE+llMAFXqZnEkslg/UvCCK2AyDeK+SA8DYR0i1fJqkiOtr0YYJQp /Uaf6Yq7vX1r1Y/orLqO9pwYwDyPfe+JllrW6bNrK3uTk3U3Dj0VaRkogX8DTl1fshZh Q7JRsg9oCXecNEkA+6b3r0V7MvEnwXtPBXX/8jci4rPMqvwFyPNVAl6nz/S6Gt/kq1KH kBRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5h7pgAeB481XRF2RoN/2qZijBBtCi0goNB4CLKVNM7iGnMuX7Ow nskOYB7cZ0QTng== X-Received: by 10.200.48.37 with SMTP id f34mr678953qte.308.1503435892432; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:18c:580:21e0:3d60:234e:982a:5a8e? ([2601:18c:580:21e0:3d60:234e:982a:5a8e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d127sm828871qkg.65.2017.08.22.14.04.51 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Margaret Cullen In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:04:51 -0400 Cc: babel@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7DB25AE9-876F-40A6-8B1A-87F67780D3F7@gmail.com> References: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Updated 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:04:55 -0000 Hi Juliusz, In general, the new version of the draft looks good to me. I do have a = few comments/questions on the Security Considerations section, though, = marked with mrc>>, inline below. Margaret =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Security Considerations As defined in this document, Babel is a completely insecure protocol. Any attacker can attract data traffic by advertising routes with a low mrc>> =E2=80=9Cattract=E2=80=9D =3D> =E2=80=9Cattract or misdirect=E2=80=9D= ? metric or a high seqno. This issue can be solved either by a = lower-layer security mechanisms (e.g. link-layer security), or by deploying a = suitable authentication mechanism within Babel itself. With the exception of = Hello TLVs used for discovery, Babel control traffic can be carried over unicast, which makes it possible to protect Babel traffic with a = protocol that can only protect unicast data, for example IKEv2 or DTLS. mrc>> I would say =E2=80=9CIPsec=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CIPsec/IKEv2" = instead of just =E2=80=9CIKEv2=E2=80=9D. IKE is a key exchange = protocol, but IPsec provides the actual authentication and encryption. = Also, you need=20 to expand the acronyms and add informative references for these = protocols. mrc>> Do you think that we should say something in this section about = how an attacker who can redirect traffic can perform an on-path attack = from a location that would not normally be on-path for a given = connection? The information that a Babel node announces to the whole routing domain is often sufficient to determine a mobile node's physical location with reasonable precision. The privacy issues that this causes can be = mitigated somewhat by using randomly chosen router-ids and randomly chosen IP = addresses, and changing them periodically. mrc>> I understand how the information passed in Babel could allow you = to pinpoint a node=E2=80=99s topological location, but not it=E2=80=99s = physical location. Therefore, I am not sure how using randomly chosen = IPs and addresses would alleviate that risk. Could you offer a bit more = explanation?=20 When carried over IPv6, Babel packets are ignored unless they are sent from a link-local IPv6 address; since routers don't forward link-local = IPv6 packets, this provides protection against spoofed Babel packets being = sent from the global Internet. No such natural protection exists when Babel packets are carried over IPv4. mrc>> It is possible to get similar protection by specifying that IPv4 = packets are sent with a TTL of 1. Is there a reason not to do that? From nobody Wed Aug 23 05:51:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6355D132983 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLW0GPkW8WJe for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B50511321AF for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v7NCpE8o013956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:14 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/75695) with ESMTP id v7NCpDvP030249; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:13 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1804EB332; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id ZN96PKoLmhUb; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (user-164-126-194-205.play-internet.pl [164.126.194.205]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76DC8EB2D4; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgma1m82.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Margaret Cullen Cc: babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <7DB25AE9-876F-40A6-8B1A-87F67780D3F7@gmail.com> References: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> <7DB25AE9-876F-40A6-8B1A-87F67780D3F7@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:51:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 599D7A42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:51:19 -0000 mrc> “attract” => “attract or misdirect”? Yes, that's better. I've put just "misdirect". mrc> I would say “IPsec” or “IPsec/IKEv2" instead of just “IKEv2”. IKE is mrc> a key exchange protocol, but IPsec provides the actual authentication mrc> and encryption. Also, you need to expand the acronyms and add mrc> informative references for these protocols. Will do. (The point here is that it's IKEv2 that is limited to unicast, there's nothing in IPsec itself that prevents it from being used with multicast.) mrc> Do you think that we should say something in this section about how mrc> an attacker who can redirect traffic can perform an on-path attack mrc> from a location that would not normally be on-path for a given mrc> connection? Will do. mrc> I understand how the information passed in Babel could allow you to mrc> pinpoint a node’s topological location, but not it’s physical mrc> location. Therefore, I am not sure how using randomly chosen IPs and mrc> addresses would alleviate that risk. Could you offer a bit more mrc> explanation? I'll see if I can make it concise enough, but I think I won't bother. (The point is that an attacker might know the location of fixed Babel nodes, and therefore a node that advertises routes with a low metric is advertising its topological proximity to a set of fixed nodes. In wireless networks, topological proximity coincides to some extent with physical proximity, so you can find out where a mobile node is.) > When carried over IPv6, Babel packets are ignored unless they are sent > from a link-local IPv6 address; since routers don't forward link-local IPv6 > packets, this provides protection against spoofed Babel packets being sent > from the global Internet. No such natural protection exists when Babel > packets are carried over IPv4. mrc> It is possible to get similar protection by specifying that IPv4 mrc> packets are sent with a TTL of 1. Is there a reason not to do that? We already do: A Babel packet is sent as the body of a UDP datagram, with network-layer hop count set to 1 However, if an attacker knows that he's 3 hops away, he can send a packet with a hop count of 3, which will appear to the receiver as having a hop count of 1. The standard workaround, used e.g. in neighbour discovery, is to send packets with a hop count of 255, and discard any packets that are received with a lower hop count (this is known as the "TTL hack" among the hip crowd). However, the consequence of the TTL hack is that a misdirected packet will cruise the network for 255 hops; and therefore neither OSPF nor RIP use it (I think BGP uses it, but I'm not sure). Thus, I didn't mandate the TTL hack in Babel, and I think it's too late to change. -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Aug 23 05:52:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D43B1329A8 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uXhUqxJeZcKW for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5B8C1321AF for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v7NCqUjB014391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:30 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/75695) with ESMTP id v7NCqUUM030667 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:30 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E351EB264 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id syvqE95kzqyx for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (user-164-126-194-205.play-internet.pl [164.126.194.205]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A30CEB207 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87k21u1m5x.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:52:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 599D7A8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:52:33 -0000 Would anyone object if I added David Schinazi as second author to rfc6126bis? -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Aug 23 06:05:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26818132C01 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 06:05:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p3328JaEvw6x for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 06:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4D99132BFC for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v7ND5Qqr019401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:26 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/75695) with ESMTP id v7ND5QDQ002739; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:26 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E567EB3C2; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id mIxp7LB6PlBT; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (user-164-126-194-205.play-internet.pl [164.126.194.205]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD5E0EB332; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87inhe1lkb.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Donald Eastlake Cc: Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: References: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:05:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 599D7D96.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:05:35 -0000 > - I think it would fit better with the way these sorts of things are > usually written to add two line to the "Babel sub-TLV Types" registry: > 4-111 Available for non-mandatory sub-TLV types > and > 128-239 Available for mandatory sub-TLV types > or something like that. Does that not contradict the statement that existing assignments in the 4-111 range are preserved? I'll think how to formulate it. > - Add a sentence saying "replace all references to [RFC6126] and > [RFC7557] with references to [this document]. Right. > I suggest dropping the reference to IKEv2 which I don't think is > normally used as a method of securing general unicast traffic. David? Can you patch that section? > Does this document really, as you stated in your reply to Matthieu, > update RFC 6126? I think that it probably, in IETF terminology, > obsoletes both RFC 6126 and RFC 7557. So an "Obsoletes: 6126, 7557" > line should be added at the top left of the title page. Right. -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Aug 23 22:24:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFED11321E3 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=apple.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rstoAXIddzpZ for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-in25.apple.com (mail-out25.apple.com [17.171.2.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D0E313214D for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:24:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=apple.com; s=mailout2048s; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@apple.com; t=1503552270; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-id:To:Cc:MIME-version:Content-type: Content-transfer-encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:In-reply-to:References:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CK5An/JEQPXttjz8MhsibA0+Poqv1Sk4kStJAlq7sWM=; b=j/0tz+JLKXlITVVEAd2UBtxu5maSPpGQUZoIJQmT74lLzBRjBcVxUw3iwAmfp9cM YUJFqWv1M+BUdoFqt4qunfacBVZyqy9XTkCzzmeVAtz5+SiMFTBkHpxSihOANgaO 8DyRCLQD/v9C71uOoiMZiSko+fvt+zEYPeq9422Kdf2R2e4unbHYWpl7C0ThhCpp h0sRSyjZ06eldw1yWF1QYLUnVKlmqwOBIM0yqZCc3KRGoW/bc82/mKutAuAivO7S 7CdV9ebPnK6OaxBr0H6bIwohekz5TyForBymdMOOYg9AY+NDOw2sq10Rbmm/gShD 3fkdApXGdfnGdHSJntf8eA==; Received: from relay6.apple.com (relay6.apple.com [17.128.113.90]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail-in25.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id 58.07.05744.E036E995; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:24:30 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11ab0219-8e5ff70000001670-0e-599e630da872 Received: from nwk-phonehomebzp-sz01.apple.com (nwk-phonehomebzp-sz01.apple.com [17.151.62.64]) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 60.A2.03275.D036E995; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:24:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from [17.234.1.107] (unknown [17.234.1.107]) by nwk-phonehomebzp-sz01.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170621 64bit (built Jun 21 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0OV6002SRCCQMT70@nwk-phonehomebzp-sz01.apple.com>; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: dschinazi@apple.com From: David Schinazi In-reply-to: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:24:25 -0700 Cc: babel@ietf.org Message-id: References: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYpcuXPC/SYOYSMYsti7pZLOa3LmNz YPJYsuQnk8fiLW8ZA5iiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDJ2/r7HUjBTpGJHj3AD41KBLkZODgkBE4kd E9exdTFycQgJrGGS+H9tA3MXIwdYYv+iWoj4BUaJxUumMIM08AoISvyYfI8FpIZZQF7i4HlZ kDCzgJbE90etLBD185kk/ra1MIIkhAWkJbou3GWFsFUkVq7/zgTSywbUcGCNEUiYU0BDYtq+ PWDjWQRUJaaubmaHmCkkcebaDBaItTYSFx81g9UICahLzJr+mQnEFgEauXzaM3aIX2Qlbs2+ xAxhr2CTOHFAbgKj8CwkV89CuHoWkqsXMDKvYhTOTczM0c3MMzLVSywoyEnVS87P3cQICurV TJI7GL++NjzEKMDBqMTD+yNqXqQQa2JZcWXuIUZpDhYlcV43WaCQQHpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlO avEhRiYOTqkGxrMvjPKiuI+XT6wXc+g4sDnklMXPF693/f/6Uefwep0Epa+HPavu98rbNHyr //u7+6rbBLY9IuXqCUp2L7g9FvCqTQw4tPZw3hT2woUtPgqOLwwURP2tuwLX8980XHzlqqzl bLU7giI2HGJhnb0TV5/2tg1y+HNzbcBd8WXLDv9SC3IWnx1npcRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAG2c771L AgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupikeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRnG7noMubPC/SYNYfZYsti7pZLOa3LmNz YPJYsuQnk8fiLW8ZA5iiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDJ2/r7HUjBTpGJHj3AD41KBLkYODgkBE4n9 i2q7GLk4hAQuMEosXjKFuYuRk4NXQFDix+R7LCA1zALyEgfPy4KEmQW0JL4/amWBqJ/PJPG3 rYURJCEsIC3RdeEuK4StIrFy/XcmkF42oIYDa4xAwpwCGhLT9u0BG88ioCoxdXUzO8RMIYkz 12awQKy1kbj4qBmsRkhAXWLW9M9MILYI0Mjl056B1UsIyErcmn2JeQKjwCwkl85CuHQWkksX MDKvYhQoSs1JrDTTSywoyEnVS87P3cQICsKGwqgdjA3LrQ4xCnAwKvHwaiyZGynEmlhWXJl7 iFGCg1lJhHeVx7xIId6UxMqq1KL8+KLSnNTiQ4xVQPdPZJYSTc4HRkheSbyhiYmBibGxmbGx uYk5VYSVxHn7j8yJFBJITyxJzU5NLUgtglnOxMEp1cDYWfeY1+XPkYUCTMvEu1lEZ697W7Rl gYxvq+J6pT2LDCZU+/jvuGbU+mu14POmIo8Qryk/i687ee6aU/qyp3fSM7GHnmESxb9XO31i fKDi0jBnusTxprtvZmuc/qEcFSV8JLJFZHbqX1/GjskvU2pun4paofn64eIu1lcFbzur0gzS zZaxa/krsRRnJBpqMRcVJwIAu9PekJ0CAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Updated 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 05:24:33 -0000 Juliusz, Thanks for making these changes, I thing they improve the document. A few comments: - minor: I prefer "route table" instead of "routing table" as the latter evokes the kernel's routing table to me, but I don't feel too strongly about it - minor: why use the British spelling for neighbour and the American one for acknowledgment? (again don't have strong feelings) - <> contradicts itself - if my understanding is correct, this should be (prefix, plen, neigh) for both. - I don't think buffering TLVs to prevent jitter needs to be a MUST instead of a SHOULD - I think the IANA Considerations section should contain the list of all known values (TLVs, sub-TLVs, flags) at this time and a link to the IANA website for updates - in security considerations I think IKEv2 should be replaced by IPsec, as that's what protects packets - While I agree that my appendix about unicast hellos needed work, I think we shouldn't remove all guidance entirely, there's value in discussing rationale and pros/cons. David > On Aug 21, 2017, at 13:36, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > Dear all, > > I've just spent much of the last two days going linearly through 6126bis > and doing my best to fix the language and make minor clarifications. I've > also updated the Security and IANA Considerations sections. I haven't > uploaded the document yet, it's on github for now. > > The plan is to sleep over it, then submit -04 within a few days, then ask > the respectable Working Group for Last Call. Speak now, of forever hold > your peace. > > Donald, I'd be grateful if you could look through the IANA Considerations > section and let me know if it is okay for IANA. You'll find it here: > > https://github.com/jech/babel-drafts/commit/2785aa86c1fbee113d82dc4695a628b466d08a46 > > David, I've tried my best to express the fact that sending/receiving > Multicast Hellos is strongly recommended, and that Unicast is optional. > Please review my work. > > Everyone, please check the wording of the Security Considerations. I'm > not good at Security. > > Everyone, please read through the document, and complain if it's not > perfect in all ways. > > Thanks, > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Thu Aug 24 13:09:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ACA132139 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:09:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzogJGg7sB71 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22a.google.com (mail-oi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 909B9132113 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id k77so4874674oib.2 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZMqrcDK5TH2rOmwRSXJWjyJuLfc/MDN4Vxn+xPsygWI=; b=U+8+vnTZSgocPF9LqWMczY7mG7L6c09H6bTH1PnQ7aZCBr6iY3bQLTVSlLvWvWXeI6 ODKgwqlBzhSKVr40HQwBz7z/dxEXhW6pYWQJyuVwBmo2wsTdZ93ug5pJHzCcL8/2Ll/0 DEzPajpatj+NBZsBJd2F9ni4h74bE6v6MNK4HSlKJxgdsnAcPY0ZEAmi5dCvDRk9Y4Mm dYjnSG5vQ0olsEjp9Zoc7csJYOM6hPq2blhY8qUidzod+x0StNe3zQcPHSvf+pUChY9N RM7UvvrnAU2Kv7zl7/Y5szsBJ1+Eng11ueQWu6pV7N1VFlAkCTL/Jm2OunRQ0bFi5Qyh I7xg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZMqrcDK5TH2rOmwRSXJWjyJuLfc/MDN4Vxn+xPsygWI=; b=h/t1Q/IlMA/Z08FY8lTokz+pqXiOvSP0RdPwiTYcj8YielciUpbBGPLREu2dByMuXj OTVp4XqwuFxhTf20cMcyJ6T63dM4+mB/jDgAL3ElHW/ceLQl3jGmXhnjPOo7L+YeWn3n +nlvpXl7JcoLETh3u0tS/PkAEudUmySN9VxcWTMRjPclLAllZjBRGxOKhicgwWHXywQs eOom+e6oNMx95hfF0qD/sZOvcMkavH1q+7Gzb3GXTEL9aAiGaXi5W03iQ3oE77GiHY7d Lq76yvhaaD27CxtIs4Pnoke8Eopzs23WhFrTFdCmeVjjYuAiDNYmt8oh9v6slP5w/Kcc 031Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5j6yGI7XIszRqPegV6QRFJrFXAJcQussybOuoMhlgU4rln1vHbE DIpNCxtEWt2YOK66+5EdCmzxNkpozQ== X-Received: by 10.202.218.2 with SMTP id r2mr11099240oig.21.1503605338874; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:08:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.168.183.10 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:08:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87inhe1lkb.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87h8x0u08e.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87inhe1lkb.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:08:43 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Updated 6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:09:01 -0000 Hi Juliusz, On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > > - I think it would fit better with the way these sorts of things are > > usually written to add two line to the "Babel sub-TLV Types" registry: > > 4-111 Available for non-mandatory sub-TLV types > > and > > 128-239 Available for mandatory sub-TLV types > > or something like that. > > Does that not contradict the statement that existing assignments in the > 4-111 range are preserved? I'll think how to formulate it. Assuming the ranges are correct in my suggested text, there would be no contradiction :-) I guess, what's actually going on is the replacement of the existing "4-223 Unassigned" and "224-254 Reserver for Experimental Use" lines. It should be possible to figure out exactly what the new lines should be if we have a reasonable idea what order drafts will be approved. And if we are wrong, I think it will be possible to adjust the IANA Considerations wording later in the process. Alternatively, you could try to construct a much more complex directive to IANA on how to change the registry that tried to take into account all plausible circumstances that might occur, but I don't think it would be worth the effort. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > ... > > -- Juliusz