From nobody Fri Mar 1 13:11:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45251130F03; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:09:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155147459927.6101.6445295096749549095.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 13:09:59 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] babel - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 104 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 21:10:08 -0000 Dear Donald Eastlake, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. babel Session 1 (1:30 requested) Thursday, 28 March 2019, Morning Session I 0900-1030 Room Name: Athens/Barcelona size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/sessions/babel.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Babel routing protocol Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Donald Eastlake Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 35 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: rtgwg idr bess sfc Second Priority: dnsop saag lsr secdispatch Third Priority: mptcp rtgarea cfrg homenet People who must be present: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd Russ White Martin Vigoureux Resources Requested: Special Requests: Meeting toward the end of the day Thursday or in the last slot Thursday has worked well for BABEL. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sun Mar 3 17:02:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69332130E7E; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 17:02:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Klrx30LPltD; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 17:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd2f.google.com (mail-io1-xd2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02088130E76; Sun, 3 Mar 2019 17:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd2f.google.com with SMTP id p18so2711998ioh.5; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 17:02:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=G0K1eXueRFlgdeL/ZadAvuWdeETbDqg4598lgYJzqmI=; b=iMno6XcM04w//Mo1qI0cyxC8Nq3US+ph9bXSgfVvky8gbEB+HEOdlvGWiH6fCu1pVP XhF5PpaanT/ftPDdqyolba7DkvKax2MGNg5n5zAJILiONm90Cl/y7eSehvfxw26I+Ir9 0DfRb46bN9Ns1YKlmU7R7Ja4z/AfCeJHxnm6rRM5y59/pkRqMpUzx/wgVrmNyBa1t7P3 d3flgM4WLaqDn2pAUn5A1NzALbj/Pp1BrqDsS4XEoHowsh/EzWnD4gHuKkjZ60eIK4HV +wn9ixqTouoQIk6y3s8lrdKGSBLMyj+vRXVSxJ3B6+5OLVaYoUZW0mqTIJ3Oo9DfZlMu 7lcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=G0K1eXueRFlgdeL/ZadAvuWdeETbDqg4598lgYJzqmI=; b=KzcIScnaRXvSFsXUItQUjdEEfnVY0SM4LofJCKfwRRzbtkr70dj4UjkVqv05ZDIFPc SDRX9JGsyNADp8ydAIVi8bjRvd00KDTG0XC1jbp09kqpcc5NBRixutFQODNNZy9FvDNL V8xpbVKK0FQtWmPj53n9cyPtf/6qUVIZ2PCpxdpIGnuUflXlA30wAJj8cBpG0k9l81Kr FPfsvQVzbzOjOdD+E6fE+ir+NUEMruU/4GK49UI1FOmal1bS63IVXduytBEidLCMOUJV uOLot33fJRwoVh/4g9sP5TfrAdJQhJbSyJoaiJhLlGFFCa0yhkmi+aLMhFGjitJ0Z+yy g17Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWzda0pXsl0BQyxRu0yofQR229VEwIlKY6jpmVIerAvGW5B2LNF eOVX4MR7Xp0qJr1uSmxP1qeDtPrSir2CaqCgeK1Vsg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzOwooutJUVgBBKDRFi7KSf8oHBNv057Qic58YH+JZ5L28kyvWtQwoq2lJRW999CjOiBUpW6N0b6nem0RoY4I0= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:c30d:: with SMTP id t13mr9609050iof.66.1551661336469; Sun, 03 Mar 2019 17:02:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 20:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Cc: babel-chairs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Babel WG meeting in Prague X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 01:02:22 -0000 The "final" IETF meeting agenda has been posted with the BABEL WG meeting at the same time as below in the Athens/Barcelona Room of the Prague Hilton. It is still possible this could change but not likely. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 9:45 PM Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi, > > There is a Babel WG meeting tentative scheduled for Thursday morning > 09:00 to 10:30 local time, 28 March, at the March IETF meeting in > Prague, Czech Republic. If you'd like to present at the meeting, > contact the chairs or reply to this message. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Tue Mar 5 06:27:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80E31295D8 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:27:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rMF8w9g2k9wJ for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED050126C7E for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x25ERC9h022176; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 15:27:12 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38D0924D0; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 15:27:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id p2weI-_2fdfQ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 15:27:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D500924CD; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 15:27:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 15:27:14 +0100 Message-ID: <875zsxwg59.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "STARK, BARBARA H" Cc: "babel@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0B95FA@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0B95FA@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 05 Mar 2019 15:27:12 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C7E8740.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5C7E8740.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5C7E8740.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] info-model: message vs. packet X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 14:27:25 -0000 > I notice the various Babel drafts use "packet" more than "message". Babel has two distinct notions: - a packet is a 4-octet header followed by a sequence of TLVs; - a TLV is one of the things defined in Section 4 of 6126bis. Early drafts of RFC 6126 used "message" where we now use "TLV" (thanks to Joel Halpern for fixing the terminology). As a general rule, I suggest that you should be consistent with 6126bis, and use "packet" and "TLV" exclusively. > This would impact some parameter names: > babel-message-log -> babel-packet-log > babel-message-log-enable -> babel-packet-log-enable > babel-received-messages -> babel-received-packets (this is a statistic) In the first two cases, it doesn't matter, no ambiguity is possible. In the third case, you should be precise -- is this intended to count packets or TLVs? -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 5 06:45:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE21B1286E7 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:45:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wIcC--mPkkyB for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A91F131140 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049295.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049295.ppops.net-00191d01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 14:45:28 -0000 Thx. And good. In my most recent editor's draft I did purge all use of "message" from the = info model (including changing the log to be a packet log). There's no ment= ion of TLVs in the info model.=20 https://bhstark2.github.io/babel-information-model/draft-ietf-babel-informa= tion-model.html I'm putting the xml of this into datatracker imminently. Barbara > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliusz Chroboczek > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 9:27 AM > To: STARK, BARBARA H > Cc: babel@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [babel] info-model: message vs. packet >=20 > > I notice the various Babel drafts use "packet" more than "message". >=20 > Babel has two distinct notions: >=20 > - a packet is a 4-octet header followed by a sequence of TLVs; > - a TLV is one of the things defined in Section 4 of 6126bis. >=20 > Early drafts of RFC 6126 used "message" where we now use "TLV" (thanks to > Joel Halpern for fixing the terminology). As a general rule, I suggest t= hat you > should be consistent with 6126bis, and use "packet" and "TLV" > exclusively. >=20 > > This would impact some parameter names: > > babel-message-log -> babel-packet-log > > babel-message-log-enable -> babel-packet-log-enable > > babel-received-messages -> babel-received-packets (this is a > > statistic) >=20 > In the first two cases, it doesn't matter, no ambiguity is possible. In = the third > case, you should be precise -- is this intended to count packets or TLVs? >=20 > -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 5 06:55:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DC5124B0C for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:55:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VQ-R_VNDRy5h for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 610B813106B for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 06:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049462.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049462.ppops.net-00191d01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 14:55:54 -0000 > > This would impact some parameter names: > > babel-message-log -> babel-packet-log > > babel-message-log-enable -> babel-packet-log-enable > > babel-received-messages -> babel-received-packets (this is a > > statistic) >=20 > In the first two cases, it doesn't matter, no ambiguity is possible. In = the third > case, you should be precise -- is this intended to count packets or TLVs? I forgot to reply to this. It's just intended as a packet count. Packet cou= nts can be useful because you can see at what rate a count increases (or wh= ether it increases at all) to get some sense of Babel "health". Are any pac= kets being received from a neighbor? Is the interval between packets expect= ed? Etc. I don't see a compelling use for TLV counts. I think if I have questions ab= out what's going on at a TLV level, I'm better off just getting a packet lo= g and examining the TLVs using tools external to the Babel-running-device. Barbara From nobody Tue Mar 5 07:09:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AEA1312EE for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 07:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ubgvNzUpH4Y for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6801B131301 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x25F9E08022130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:09:14 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id x25F9FYZ011097; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:09:15 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD4192EE3; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:09:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 4FmwKIzPcqq1; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:09:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8842392ED6; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 16:09:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:09:16 +0100 Message-ID: <87zhq9uzmr.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "STARK, BARBARA H" Cc: "babel@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0C9A01@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0B95FA@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> <875zsxwg59.wl-jch@irif.fr> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0C9A01@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:09:14 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:09:15 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C7E911A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 15:09:31 -0000 > It's just intended as a packet count. [...] I don't see a compelling use > for TLV counts. Agreed. -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 5 07:30:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F7F1200D8; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 07:30:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <155179985093.24562.1627180302306021668@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 07:30:50 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 15:30:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : Babel Information Model Authors : Barbara Stark Mahesh Jethanandani Filename : draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-03-05 Abstract: This Babel Information Model can be used to create data models under various data modeling regimes. It allows a Babel implementation (via a management protocol or interface) to report on its current state and may allow some limited configuration of protocol constants. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-information-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 15:53:00 -0000 Hi Babel and chairs, I've posted draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05. I do think some more discussion on whether DTLS and HMAC instances should b= e "additive" (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/babel/wL3bOlxvcUL9VGfyH2BkAvCYsPY) might be good. Toke is the only one to opine on this, so far. Currently, th= e model requires them to be exclusive.=20 But changing this wouldn't be too hard. So would it be ok to start WGLC, and resolve this during WGLC? I've completed my BBF data model, and will be sharing it soon via my github= . Barbara =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : Babel Information Model Authors : Barbara Stark Mahesh Jethanandani Filename : draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-03-05 Abstract: This Babel Information Model can be used to create data models under various data modeling regimes. It allows a Babel implementation (via a management protocol or interface) to report on its current state and may allow some limited configuration of protocol constants. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-information-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Mar 8 16:00:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A611277E7 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PO0JckM-x-lU for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25924126DFA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x28NxqdX028887; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 00:59:52 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B16B2ECFB; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 01:00:02 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id toLl3fTLZc07; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 01:00:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from lanthane.irif.fr (unknown [172.23.36.89]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 17D312ECF5; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 00:59:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:59:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87ef7ghq86.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org CC: Weronika =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ko=B3odziejak?= , Clara =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=F4?= , babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:59:52 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C8301F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5C8301F8.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5C8301F8.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Reworked implementation of HMAC authentication X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:00:02 -0000 Hi, I've finally gotten my act together, and reworked Clara's and Weronika's implementation of Babel-HMAC. You can get the code by doing git clone -b hmac --recurse-submodules https://github.com/jech/babeld While this code is almost completely untested, it is meant to eventually implement the protocol described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-hmac Known issues: - no interop testing has been done yet; - we create a neighbour entry too early, which makes us vulnerable to DoS; - we compute HMAC for each TLV, rather than just once for the whole packet, which, again, makes us vulnerable to DoS; - we don't timeout neighbours properly, which makes us vulnerable to delayed packets; - we only support sending one HMAC (receiving multiple HMACs should work, but for obvious reasons it's untested); - we don't support key rotation. You can test this code by saying something like: babeld -C 'key id test type sha256 value ebf49e6fbc6414aa567e30891846e96963cdda73289b9cd245d67ff9d281abc0' -C 'interface eth0 hmac test' The "key" stanza defines a key of type sha256, with the value given as a 32 byte-long hex key. The "interface" stanza enables the key on the interface eth0. In addition to "type sha256", we support "type blake2s", which requires a 16 byte-long key. -- Juliusz From nobody Fri Mar 8 16:07:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C12012788F for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:07:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wdJpfI9ts5g for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-x82d.google.com (mail-qt1-x82d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 538F5126DFA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-x82d.google.com with SMTP id v10so23243500qtp.8 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2019 16:07:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cNXpG3g4GzcL2jG2GwmxmxwGlrnzLIEn8n5uifJcYTo=; b=EasAomG6M9XXE4M3NCl8iTaT6xXrGHlbmNCi/hUm78NDgwJZnQauAFUHsT3vLM1azv Qv3I4CTnToSHnrpLM7BEIvuYjvKdMIRxappPCQYDa6N2Abo7cD4wqgCOpAyn/yVZbYH+ DD3UMRTv6wBHCiG2KMPSnpa3EX411bfXhYoAJk2fYDI1a0f21cJVXw3XvwAyb6P+T+Np znhPAoeMH4l/KsOPPFT/wI8cR3fU2SdmV3A9bn09RrxLyhU159gZHuHMYvY7TLZ6lvr8 IvLgOuhUXBR2nm2KbIukagF2OB/sgcw2zEtm+nhIt6xp5S03nAo2qL8W/FXPNWcADGHo naHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cNXpG3g4GzcL2jG2GwmxmxwGlrnzLIEn8n5uifJcYTo=; b=nypfbA6uHXdV2uwLjoDyIN4QLr/F8fIqjA9NNlbN+Br9niiNDWbqdW30rk0pcSiGnk 1RGeDKwkZ5EtG7Z+9sUSfAVv2h9eTt8WPxFB4j373vE9Jrv09PjVnoOYPFrc3/TbAk2x OCShdUZyrnjPWWr+1T6iSpYOWe5A6CHtGvkKnOdQEH1omBFolVoR1ri8L+hSWXIxdKC2 fk0ASqgUCU9q/gyPk2z/EleOUvyVrCwa9OqNiF8S+RwmOKXQTR9vEhhxt2TI/nPbaQJ6 GzaYjSuUsZ366YX9L7lEa6mGOEASsw+pEQygokBYoOh4Lh0gCpmXlGzfPowjXfFc2PcE jhZw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVm/hV8BrO3XKAODeKM91HIgpsE8vFC/yMf4u25ySdkScey/d3o F5StyfN1nqc2h4FqqF5J+il6Phb1KczjRCA1uhc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx7zzstpV+E+kGJJXZSUe+3nvelGVVXQojuz27vRFcJSIX1bX/DwGpDl2QfqSJsKGiCcLAX845Nb6ek4ykir1Y= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1c7c:: with SMTP id j57mr4618769qtk.376.1552090047346; Fri, 08 Mar 2019 16:07:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87ef7ghq86.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: <87ef7ghq86.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:07:13 -0800 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: babel-users , Babel at IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] Reworked implementation of HMAC authentication X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:07:32 -0000 On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:00 PM Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > Hi, > > I've finally gotten my act together, and reworked Clara's and Weronika's > implementation of Babel-HMAC. You can get the code by doing > > git clone -b hmac --recurse-submodules https://github.com/jech/babeld Yea! I'll try to clear some time to play with this before ietf. No promises though, I'm frantically busy on other stuff. > > While this code is almost completely untested, it is meant to eventually > implement the protocol described in > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-hmac > > Known issues: > > - no interop testing has been done yet; > - we create a neighbour entry too early, which makes us vulnerable to D= oS; > - we compute HMAC for each TLV, rather than just once for the whole > packet, which, again, makes us vulnerable to DoS; ugh. > - we don't timeout neighbours properly, which makes us vulnerable to > delayed packets; > - we only support sending one HMAC (receiving multiple HMACs should > work, but for obvious reasons it's untested); > - we don't support key rotation. Sigh. Still, happy to see it! Thanks very much! > > You can test this code by saying something like: > > babeld -C 'key id test type sha256 value ebf49e6fbc6414aa567e30891846= e96963cdda73289b9cd245d67ff9d281abc0' -C 'interface eth0 hmac test' > > The "key" stanza defines a key of type sha256, with the value given as > a 32 byte-long hex key. The "interface" stanza enables the key on the > interface eth0. > > In addition to "type sha256", we support "type blake2s", which requires > a 16 byte-long key. > > -- Juliusz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Babel-users mailing list > Babel-users@alioth-lists.debian.net > https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel-users --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740 From nobody Fri Mar 8 17:04:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE473124B0C; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:04:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <155209347472.26674.1868917622693650692@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 17:04:34 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-01.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 01:04:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for Babel Authors : Mahesh Jethanandani Barbara Stark Filename : draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-01.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2019-03-08 Abstract: This document defines a data model for the Babel routing protocol. The data model is defined using the YANG data modeling language. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 01:11:39 -0000 This version of the draft brings the YANG model up-to-date with the = information model. Together, Barbara and I have identified issues in = both the IM and the DM that we will discuss in the WG meeting.=20 See you in Prague! Cheers. > On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:04 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the = IETF. >=20 > Title : YANG Data Model for Babel > Authors : Mahesh Jethanandani > Barbara Stark > Filename : draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-01.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2019-03-08 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a data model for the Babel routing protocol. > The data model is defined using the YANG data modeling language. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-01 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-babel-yang-model-01 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Fri Mar 8 17:38:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F4B1279B1 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:37:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vWl5N_1UAV6h for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E7711274D0 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x291bijS027270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 Mar 2019 02:37:44 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id x291bjN7002064; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 02:37:45 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976892F6D2; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 02:37:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id t_da976KRWHA; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 02:37:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42EB12F6CF; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 02:37:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 02:37:45 +0100 Message-ID: <8736nwq13q.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Dave Taht Cc: babel-users , Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: References: <87ef7ghq86.wl-jch@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sat, 09 Mar 2019 02:37:44 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sat, 09 Mar 2019 02:37:45 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C8318E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 01:37:53 -0000 >> - we compute HMAC for each TLV, rather than just once for the whole >> packet, which, again, makes us vulnerable to DoS; > ugh. Don't worry, it's an easy fix. >> - we don't support key rotation. > Sigh. The data structures are designed so it'll be easy, the problem is designing an understandable user interface. Given the following interface declaration: interface eth0 hmac key1 what does the following mean? interface eth0 hmac key2 Does it add key2 to the set of keys associated with eth0, or does it override the current value? I'm afraid that either will cause confusion. I'm considering keeping the set of keys associated with an interface static, and allowing key rotation by redefining existing keys. So you'd say interface eth0 hmac key1 hmac key2 key id key1 type sha256 value ... key id key2 type none and do key rotation by saying key id key2 type sha256 value ... key id key1 type none I'll look at Barbara's information model, the must be some insights there. -- Juliusz From nobody Sat Mar 9 05:45:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034541276D0; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 05:45:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <155213914092.28794.4595200030772102443@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 05:45:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-hmac-04.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 13:45:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : HMAC authentication for the Babel routing protocol Authors : Clara Do Weronika Kolodziejak Juliusz Chroboczek Filename : draft-ietf-babel-hmac-04.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2019-03-09 Abstract: This document describes a cryptographic authentication mechanism for the Babel routing protocol that has provisions for replay avoidance. This document updates RFC 6126bis and obsoletes RFC 7298. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-hmac/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-hmac-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-hmac-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-hmac-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 13:46:16 -0000 > Section 2, Page 4, first sentence: "for cryptographic protection" -> "for HMAC > cryptographic protection" Done. > Section 4, page 8/9, Section 4.3.1.2, page 10. I'm slightly confused about the > interaction of these sections. Good catch, thanks -- that's actually a mistake in the draft. The packet is accepted unconditionally if the challenge was successful. I've fixed that. > The various timers here (5 min to discard Neighbor Table entry (Section 4.4), > 30 seconds challenge expiry timer (Section 4.3.1.1), and 300ms challenge rate > limit (Section 4.3.1.1)) should be described as configurable with a default > value of the value currently suggested. Done. Default value is SHOULD, configurability is MAY. > The TLV type values have been assigned. Done, both in the draft and the implementation. > The size limit of 192 for nonces should be motivated. Perhaps "to leave some > room for possible future sub-TLV inclusion". Clarified. (Nonces are not self-terminating, so sub-TLVs are not possible. The reason is to make it possible to encode a cookie within a nonce, as described in the Security Considerations section.) > Appendix A: Seems like somewhere in the main text body it should say > that "Implementations SHOULD be separately configurable to (1) send or > not send HMAC security TLVs and (2) process or ignore HMAC security TLVs > on receipt." Done in the section on data structures. > Appendix B: Add after Appendix B header and before Appendix B.1 header: > "RFC-Editor: Please remove this section before publication". Done. Thanks again, Donald. -- Juliusz From nobody Sat Mar 9 07:13:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969661277DE for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:13:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H81YQespL8nE for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D10CE1240D3 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x29FDGbJ031750 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 16:13:16 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6756358D5 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 16:13:26 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id xG1dRP8ytuj7 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 16:13:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D1CB358D3 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 16:13:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 16:13:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87h8cckrn5.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sat, 09 Mar 2019 16:13:16 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C83D80C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5C83D80C.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5C83D80C.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Do we want to adopt draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension? X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:13:25 -0000 Dear all, Of all the Babel protocol extensions, the ones that are used in production are all IETF WG documents. Except draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension Draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension consists of one non-mandatory sub-TLV that can be carried on Hello and IHU packets. It contains enough data to apply Mills' algorithm (the one used in the HELLO routing protocol and later in NTP) in order to compute an estimate of RTT with microsecond granularity. The draft only specifies how to compute RTT -- using RTT for something useful is left to the implementation -- but it gives an example of using RTT in order to derive link cost. The algorithm is described in more detail in https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.3488.pdf The actual motivation is overlay networks, where a single hop might span continents, and least-hop routing yields suboptimal results. The algorithm has been used in production for a few years now by a French company called Nexedi. The same subprotocol could probably be used in other kinds of networks, most notably congested wireless networks. More experimentation is needed. Personal opinion -- the algorithm as described in the draft has one flaw: since the IHU sub-TLV does not carry a Transmit timestamp, the IHU sub-TLV is only useful in cases where the same Packet contains a Hello TLV. I'm not sure if people would be happy with a flag day, so fixing that would require either eating up another sub-TLV number, or putting the Transmit timestamp at the very end of the sub-TLV (which would make for an ugly format). Do we want to adopt this draft? I can easily upload a new revision before Monday's cutoff date. -- Juliusz From nobody Sat Mar 9 07:27:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22870127917 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:27:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frEw2_JZAdXe for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2a00:7660:6da:2001::664]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 294A5127598 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2019 07:27:22 -0800 (PST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1552145237; bh=d7JrPs4jy+pnDk2m/CHqYcenjOsexCLXUHwNhRFameI=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=dSJrigm/F0+ToxXn5zSGHGtIVOIFc2mJeW6hXbl386mbyfitfWsbkWOa1dOuVyN9z dlYioqbRAE53zqKppB9HVbt/AcLGdQknv7V0n+lNsOUVe4B8+JDaQCNazaXfgaWFyN Zxf+IZpo97q02ufOKZMRHGvolWT13bkAUsKgz4HxYlFClnR3IBUYvXSN0wm2jSkzvJ lN3w0r+4lnfZ3JR8O3jrIQB/GyNgxw7vC9FhO5ebWEUeNDvHGwI0sr+JmBg4f1Axhg UmdxvH5TQ6d2gzjlkhV2vj9OsjtuW703diXN0YFGYVc2stcWRTy3FVVhKUkcnAonSj Ykt4Ghsw0Op8Q== To: Juliusz Chroboczek , babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <87h8cckrn5.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87h8cckrn5.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 16:27:17 +0100 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <875zss5aqy.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Do we want to adopt draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension? X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:27:25 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > Dear all, > > Of all the Babel protocol extensions, the ones that are used in production > are all IETF WG documents. Except draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension > > Draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension consists of one non-mandatory sub-TLV > that can be carried on Hello and IHU packets. It contains enough data to > apply Mills' algorithm (the one used in the HELLO routing protocol and > later in NTP) in order to compute an estimate of RTT with microsecond > granularity. The draft only specifies how to compute RTT -- using RTT for > something useful is left to the implementation -- but it gives an example > of using RTT in order to derive link cost. > > The algorithm is described in more detail in > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.3488.pdf > > The actual motivation is overlay networks, where a single hop might span > continents, and least-hop routing yields suboptimal results. The > algorithm has been used in production for a few years now by a French > company called Nexedi. > > The same subprotocol could probably be used in other kinds of networks, > most notably congested wireless networks. More experimentation is needed. > > Personal opinion -- the algorithm as described in the draft has one flaw: > since the IHU sub-TLV does not carry a Transmit timestamp, the IHU sub-TLV > is only useful in cases where the same Packet contains a Hello TLV. I'm > not sure if people would be happy with a flag day, so fixing that would > require either eating up another sub-TLV number, or putting the Transmit > timestamp at the very end of the sub-TLV (which would make for an ugly > format). > > Do we want to adopt this draft? I can easily upload a new revision before > Monday's cutoff date. I was planning to eventually implement this anyway, so sure, I support adoption :) -Toke From nobody Sun Mar 10 12:32:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AA51271FF; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGEABHWINbAh; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9CE01200ED; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id x4so2188483ion.2; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NvismgbfCWduWOd2YYgr1ePLbo9ywK64Ti1blQtAjhs=; b=ECQFKMJttPuDO+jZp0j24PxJjnHnun4jlJacQGox3WlBORUSFm2DWEOykOaU4ASjAZ f3HV/yaKJYPtAh8dAk9u3Ha5cdWDlECvhcDzg9zRYasycJKUobq8hBLeqlYfoyQv89xi pK+5rJ+1R3hMVzHDHEqN0Jvnc8JSo2T9tYfzzcUbFElIZhhRbx9InlfkQnVNtqa7Dwlq NFKKNyj6VVx87wkHofb9KL1zW+5XNqGpGJxHqAnfCjmRJb2JehwVIbxNnIX4sfo2KDXF XVfgrTpflwmzasuD6fpUpuPc5y8gxONDoIfKXekF1sRyaACcWNzyRik9HqdtZTQ/WGkY lSpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NvismgbfCWduWOd2YYgr1ePLbo9ywK64Ti1blQtAjhs=; b=M2ZPy1M8BOrvx19LIowT9f5s0xnc/Kn4hs221FEThG31k3vY6p+VqPW7UNlGelDKkU vpFaIEXIF5Y+Kaon++Vdq6wmHoMNO2M36DGybPKcNZ8p3j9n11gAlp3lFARlVIjnUFqv k2qkpLdS7eUT+hMs2MOI5eM/nQhd4mJ7uCR5wEFjNYq7EZM4o8JtpnpTwbNPgXFcGgdB Z9NbKNFCX2TXPRfU3wMznt+PXYcWQROqm1qzDnMQ8LLmU6Kwt1Z3clrsBEGWnKf4JoH0 43G8OOZlfZc+giIuUJsRjxq+XfkDfhRog+P+Z346UUDdZtBj3yRpUbCTuWVq2W9Vdftw 823g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXEjVrn9a3i0bmxUt1uOOFyyi3se80blAIlfGwXTLOXX3R8aIdw DRbCWroocH1yL+yppd+S6gHG3pNrnBT6JxTLJyw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz2aPqP+nr+vAEq/1RXLwLAY3n9aWbyCaX32O0O08Yspql5scofTTDALeDHgTBuwllCaEteIzDe1BcJ/3qTQp0= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:5006:: with SMTP id e6mr15741946iob.132.1552246365005; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87mum4kvon.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: <87mum4kvon.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Babel at IETF , draft-ietf-babel-hmac@ietf.org, babel-chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000030ab070583c28586" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Shepherd review of draft-ietf-babel-hmac-03 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:32:48 -0000 --00000000000030ab070583c28586 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Juliusz, Thanks! I consideral my comments resolved. Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 8:46 AM Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > Section 2, Page 4, first sentence: "for cryptographic protection" -> > "for HMAC > > cryptographic protection" > > Done. > > > Section 4, page 8/9, Section 4.3.1.2, page 10. I'm slightly confused > about the > > interaction of these sections. > > Good catch, thanks -- that's actually a mistake in the draft. The packet > is accepted unconditionally if the challenge was successful. I've fixed > that. > > > The various timers here (5 min to discard Neighbor Table entry (Section > 4.4), > > 30 seconds challenge expiry timer (Section 4.3.1.1), and 300ms challenge > rate > > limit (Section 4.3.1.1)) should be described as configurable with a > default > > value of the value currently suggested. > > Done. Default value is SHOULD, configurability is MAY. > > > The TLV type values have been assigned. > > Done, both in the draft and the implementation. > > > The size limit of 192 for nonces should be motivated. Perhaps "to leave > some > > room for possible future sub-TLV inclusion". > > Clarified. (Nonces are not self-terminating, so sub-TLVs are not > possible. The reason is to make it possible to encode a cookie within > a nonce, as described in the Security Considerations section.) > > > Appendix A: Seems like somewhere in the main text body it should say > > that "Implementations SHOULD be separately configurable to (1) send or > > not send HMAC security TLVs and (2) process or ignore HMAC security TLVs > > on receipt." > > Done in the section on data structures. > > > Appendix B: Add after Appendix B header and before Appendix B.1 header: > > "RFC-Editor: Please remove this section before publication". > > Done. > > Thanks again, Donald. > > -- Juliusz > --00000000000030ab070583c28586 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Juliusz,

Thanks! I consid= eral my comments resolved.

Donald
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= =C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A01424 Pr= o Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA
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On Sat,= Mar 9, 2019 at 8:46 AM Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:
> Section 2, Page 4, first sentence: "for cryptograph= ic protection" -> "for HMAC
> cryptographic protection"

Done.

> Section 4, page 8/9, Section 4.3.1.2, page 10. I'm slightly confus= ed about the
> interaction of these sections.

Good catch, thanks -- that's actually a mistake in the draft.=C2=A0 The= packet
is accepted unconditionally if the challenge was successful.=C2=A0 I've= fixed that.

> The various timers here (5 min to discard Neighbor Table entry (Sectio= n 4.4),
> 30 seconds challenge expiry timer (Section 4.3.1.1), and 300ms challen= ge rate
> limit (Section 4.3.1.1)) should be described as configurable with a de= fault
> value of the value currently suggested.

Done.=C2=A0 Default value is SHOULD, configurability is MAY.

> The TLV type values have been assigned.

Done, both in the draft and the implementation.

> The size limit of 192 for nonces should be motivated. Perhaps "to= leave some
> room for possible future sub-TLV inclusion".

Clarified.=C2=A0 (Nonces are not self-terminating, so sub-TLVs are not
possible.=C2=A0 The reason is to make it possible to encode a cookie within=
a nonce, as described in the Security Considerations section.)

> Appendix A: Seems like somewhere in the main text body it should say > that "Implementations SHOULD be separately configurable to (1) se= nd or
> not send HMAC security TLVs and (2) process or ignore HMAC security TL= Vs
> on receipt."

Done in the section on data structures.

> Appendix B: Add after Appendix B header and before Appendix B.1 header= :
> "RFC-Editor: Please remove this section before publication".=

Done.

Thanks again, Donald.

-- Juliusz
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We have determined that there is WG conse= nsus for draft-ietf-babel-hmac. RFC publication will be requested.

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X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:48:06 -0000 I support adoption. On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 7:27 AM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > > Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > > > Dear all, > > > > Of all the Babel protocol extensions, the ones that are used in product= ion > > are all IETF WG documents. Except draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension > > > > Draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension consists of one non-mandatory sub-TLV > > that can be carried on Hello and IHU packets. It contains enough data = to > > apply Mills' algorithm (the one used in the HELLO routing protocol and > > later in NTP) in order to compute an estimate of RTT with microsecond > > granularity. The draft only specifies how to compute RTT -- using RTT = for > > something useful is left to the implementation -- but it gives an examp= le > > of using RTT in order to derive link cost. > > > > The algorithm is described in more detail in > > > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.3488.pdf > > > > The actual motivation is overlay networks, where a single hop might spa= n > > continents, and least-hop routing yields suboptimal results. The > > algorithm has been used in production for a few years now by a French > > company called Nexedi. > > > > The same subprotocol could probably be used in other kinds of networks, > > most notably congested wireless networks. More experimentation is need= ed. > > > > Personal opinion -- the algorithm as described in the draft has one fla= w: > > since the IHU sub-TLV does not carry a Transmit timestamp, the IHU sub-= TLV > > is only useful in cases where the same Packet contains a Hello TLV. I'= m > > not sure if people would be happy with a flag day, so fixing that would > > require either eating up another sub-TLV number, or putting the Transmi= t > > timestamp at the very end of the sub-TLV (which would make for an ugly > > format). > > > > Do we want to adopt this draft? I can easily upload a new revision bef= ore > > Monday's cutoff date. > > I was planning to eventually implement this anyway, so sure, I support > adoption :) > > -Toke > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740 From nobody Sun Mar 10 15:42:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404911277E2 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:42:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JSX-TOMgvUqD for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FCCB124408 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x2AMglNl005469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:47 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id x2AMgmPT021045; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:49 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEC842E21; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id kmN1p0Mc0bXm; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7AB642E1F; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87bm2iuz9y.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Donald Eastlake Cc: Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: References: <87h8cckrn5.wl-jch@irif.fr> <875zss5aqy.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:47 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sun, 10 Mar 2019 23:42:49 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C8592E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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Donald, if that's okay with you, I'm going to upload a new revision of this draft tomorrow morning, and formally request adoption in Prague. -- Juliusz From nobody Sun Mar 10 17:05:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602AB12788C for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l5zee-H2Ql5S for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x135.google.com (mail-it1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2F81275F3 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x135.google.com with SMTP id z131so4512747itf.5 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:05:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RRSV3TpLCevUwhimCD8t4HeSupe0PqL+pcV1XvquVSo=; b=Lqi4PZ6f+2B9dSmYIPzvYYNTypkbFU8hITRC/xmmfNClGckCLeD5cQtp1NHkDrnyac qEUKMo5vWQdqjl0VtNsK4glRJQyjG60dWKllMOfWk4ehxyHd+DKn8/5EKQZLQVJ/3Sdm LhvKwFHtTxq0EtG2wzgNQjsDgTGkUwKmwzIL/Q6egEk5MwrXPKWoMIIZGxRCxm4b+C0a IefWvqJs089wkULHRh0PAemxywdf6qMYEocIPr6L7anAY/bJIdjvOVmGpQ568R85oYkt xqu0RnlZteLqW6LHymq6C9Nwp03x5bWmVeikGgqQGsbCXRVth8aQG63Y4gA5CmQp2FfC zAlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RRSV3TpLCevUwhimCD8t4HeSupe0PqL+pcV1XvquVSo=; b=C0HUe6oAly+7Skl6tmOvcHZrlYTouMbVIDZ9/rKiN5EXh/4Q3OF5yInpQCyhPM8auS 1bLx6UMdXDYiMrtKxWkz+txTgbAmHM3q9hqnquZ5Md1VGxCGd8LCyUBw+zcooiwSXjLA TBSeonesx4BjnMuOwddp4CNzYUAOr6O9EyD8PaK9X1Lq4G1nQfQALWVlOEBqKdYdIPvD DtDse5Eq1jMeFhDiriXIiydNV05ji+/dl9luSUf6nKrtasgbtFb9bUQde06mfN+ACdB/ huMMmu5SF1Eu/wnZY7XKXAS25faNKAQBBQM0uNHOOamBf+O56GwBvaxETJq6hh4qfcIp 5v0g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWPGTPDADq+5GY+R1BU6KTWAeLQukFyEeTwhMlXgVbBAX1rnpEN 8dPPUTehVrVKgfS9ADg3NqTXeAMR7Qui+NnT/kk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzHMD/DRd+bBZqVzQ3wcsfP8rfmEEzu5Ms47uxMKJChtFBl6lPjQ0oz3vdpr0JHQai43nkwu16EhizWbgL55RQ= X-Received: by 2002:a24:dd82:: with SMTP id t124mr15378706itf.102.1552262747531; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:05:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h8cckrn5.wl-jch@irif.fr> <875zss5aqy.fsf@toke.dk> <87bm2iuz9y.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: <87bm2iuz9y.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000aa2f280583c655ba" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Do we want to adopt draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension? X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 00:05:50 -0000 --000000000000aa2f280583c655ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Juliusz, On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:42 PM Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > Thanks to both of you for your support. > > Donald, if that's okay with you, I'm going to upload a new revision of > this draft tomorrow morning, and formally request adoption in Prague. > Sure, that sounds reasonable. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > -- Juliusz > --000000000000aa2f280583c655ba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Juliusz,

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:42 P= M Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr>= wrote:
Thanks t= o both of you for your support.

Donald, if that's okay with you, I'm going to upload a new revision= of
this draft tomorrow morning, and formally request adoption in Prague.

Sure, that so= unds reasonable.

Thanks,
Donald
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-- Juliusz
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 03:17:51 -0000 --0000000000005c67a90583c9049f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" That seems reasonable. I'll post a separate message starting a WG LC. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 10:53 AM STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > Hi Babel and chairs, > I've posted draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05. > I do think some more discussion on whether DTLS and HMAC instances should > be "additive" > (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/babel/wL3bOlxvcUL9VGfyH2BkAvCYsPY) > might be good. Toke is the only one to opine on this, so far. Currently, > the model requires them to be exclusive. > But changing this wouldn't be too hard. > So would it be ok to start WGLC, and resolve this during WGLC? > > I've completed my BBF data model, and will be sharing it soon via my > github. > Barbara > > =============================================================== > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. > > Title : Babel Information Model > Authors : Barbara Stark > Mahesh Jethanandani > Filename : draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05.txt > Pages : 28 > Date : 2019-03-05 > > Abstract: > This Babel Information Model can be used to create data models under > various data modeling regimes. It allows a Babel implementation (via > a management protocol or interface) to report on its current state > and may allow some limited configuration of protocol constants. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-information-model/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --0000000000005c67a90583c9049f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That seems reasonable. I'll post a separate message st= arting a WG LC.

Thanks,
Donald
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)<= br>=C2=A01424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA
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On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 10:53 AM STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:
Hi Babel and chairs,
I've posted draft-ietf-babel-information-model-05.
I do think some more discussion on whether DTLS and HMAC instances should b= e "additive"
(https://mailarchive.ietf.org= /arch/msg/babel/wL3bOlxvcUL9VGfyH2BkAvCYsPY)
might be good. Toke is the only one to opine on this, so far. Currently, th= e model requires them to be exclusive.
But changing this wouldn't be too hard.
So would it be ok to start WGLC, and resolve this during WGLC?

I've completed my BBF data model, and will be sharing it soon via my gi= thub.
Barbara

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Babel Information Model
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Barb= ara Stark
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mahesh Jethanandani
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-babel-information-model-05.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 28
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-03-05

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This Babel Information Model can be used to create data models= under
=C2=A0 =C2=A0various data modeling regimes.=C2=A0 It allows a Babel impleme= ntation (via
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a management protocol or interface) to report on its current s= tate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and may allow some limited configuration of protocol constants= .


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X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:47:13 -0000 --653882f416f547a7aba09037603ae519 Content-Type: text/plain I will note that we (Althea) also use the RTT extension in production. We have a mixed network of point to point wireless hops and long distance internet traversing hops. The RTT extension eliminates the need for us to manually indicate which is which. -- Justin Kilpatrick justin@altheamesh.com On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi Juliusz, > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:42 PM Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> Thanks to both of you for your support. >> >> Donald, if that's okay with you, I'm going to upload a new revision of >> this draft tomorrow morning, and formally request adoption in Prague. > > Sure, that sounds reasonable. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E.. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > >> -- Juliusz > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --653882f416f547a7aba09037603ae519 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will note tha= t we (Althea) also use the RTT extension in production. We have a mixed = network of point to point wireless hops and long distance internet trave= rsing hops. The RTT extension eliminates the need for us to manually ind= icate which is which.

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 = ; Justin Kilpatrick
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On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Donald Eastlak= e wrote:
Hi Juliusz,

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:42 PM Juliusz Chroboczek <= ;jch@irif.fr> wrote:
Thanks to both of you for your support.
Donald, if that's okay with you, I'm going to upload a new = revision of
this draft tomorrow morning, and formally req= uest adoption in Prague.

= Sure, that sounds reasonable.

Thanks,
Donald
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:48:18 -0000 > >> - we don't support key rotation. >=20 > > Sigh. >=20 > The data structures are designed so it'll be easy, the problem is designi= ng an > understandable user interface. Given the following interface > declaration: >=20 > interface eth0 hmac key1 >=20 > what does the following mean? >=20 > interface eth0 hmac key2 >=20 > Does it add key2 to the set of keys associated with eth0, or does it over= ride > the current value? I'm afraid that either will cause confusion. >=20 > I'm considering keeping the set of keys associated with an interface stat= ic, > and allowing key rotation by redefining existing keys. So you'd say >=20 > interface eth0 hmac key1 hmac key2 > key id key1 type sha256 value ... > key id key2 type none >=20 > and do key rotation by saying >=20 > key id key2 type sha256 value ... > key id key1 type none >=20 > I'll look at Barbara's information model, the must be some insights there= . Oh, no. That doesn't sound good. I try to stay out-of-sight and not in sigh= t. I don't want to incite rebellion. The info model has the flags that say whether or not a key is used for sign= ing (or validating). A key can be "disabled" by setting the flags to "false= " to indicate it's not used for anything. And keys can be added/deleted. There is still an open question about design of the hmac and dtls parts of = the model, as to whether an interface can be listed in multiple instances a= nd keys would be additive for an interface across all such instances. Which= is to say, some change is still possible. 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X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:50:14 -0000 --000000000000669edf0583d6e158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I also support adoption. David On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:47 AM Justin Kilpatrick wrote: > I will note that we (Althea) also use the RTT extension in production. We > have a mixed network of point to point wireless hops and long distance > internet traversing hops. The RTT extension eliminates the need for us to > manually indicate which is which. > > -- > Justin Kilpatrick > justin@altheamesh.com > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi Juliusz, > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:42 PM Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > Thanks to both of you for your support. > > Donald, if that's okay with you, I'm going to upload a new revision of > this draft tomorrow morning, and formally request adoption in Prague. > > > Sure, that sounds reasonable. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E.. 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I also support adoption.

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I will note that we = (Althea) also use the RTT extension in production. We have a mixed network = of point to point wireless hops and long distance internet traversing hops.= The RTT extension eliminates the need for us to manually indicate which is= which.

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:26:28 -0000 --Multipart_Tue_Mar_12_00:26:13_2019-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I most humbly request adoption of this draft by the working group. -- Juliusz --Multipart_Tue_Mar_12_00:26:13_2019-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Delivered-To: jch@irif.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: "Juliusz Chroboczek" , "Baptiste Jonglez" Subject: New Version Notification for draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155234661940.23191.18424254361449408608.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:23:39 -0700 A new version of I-D, draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Juliusz Chroboczek and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension Revision: 02 Title: Delay-based Metric Extension for the Babel Routing Protocol Document date: 2019-03-11 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 9 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02 Abstract: This document defines an extension to the Babel routing protocol that uses symmetric delay in metric computation and therefore makes it possible to prefer lower latency links to higher latency ones. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5C86FE90.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5C86FE90.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] Reworked implementation of HMAC authentication X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:34:35 -0000 > The info model has the flags that say whether or not a key is used for > signing (or validating). A key can be "disabled" by setting the flags to > "false" to indicate it's not used for anything. And keys can be added/deleted. There's a number of indirections in the information model, and I'm not sure whether I should be mirrorring that in the config file format: interface -> security-obj -> credential-obj -> cred The model used by babeld's config file is way simpler: interface -> key There are two questions that I need to think about (and any contributions from y'all will be considered carefully before they are discarded): 1. How much flexibility am I giving up by having just one level of indirection instead of three ? 2. What's the right syntax for dynamically updating the credentials that is both powerful and understandable by the smart but overworked system administrator? Concerning point (1), there are no further constraints. Concerning point (2), I insist on (a) the syntax being LL(1), and (b) any statement used for dynamic reconfiguration is also valid in the static configuration file (but not necessarily the other way around). I shall grok further, until fullness comes. -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 12 02:00:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B82912B001 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tRh4AfVKIcQ5 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34487128678 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1552381225; bh=mlgJwRdETmAHpgEFcIsqgofkKaq3oXY0gCxpUeNwKzE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=UpLJR0cDcG9RoiolmLsRCAQPZp5nhZUM55sMoD/SRESke1H+6CiD7PSMCnuRdi7Ap Z2AHE4HYpsR8DXUICwEm3wZH519wJosq2Kl1DNHd4JDrowGuqW5wxTW+h+MstAiEr2 Recd9grvxoH9Iw2Xg+PMEPvFivkmlKXpkKe9YJAqLDuc7KD0PQt0SKaV/7Xs4NN8Cr q4euo0yE1CUG+t9Nacp9LnHN5TX+UymtZ+4XpXiUJwQC7vJ6ml8MbYSzdW6iuuPHCm TcZggTmMqS7Oe63/AeY3iap5cx8KMaadDUWqiTnOrohNcunamPcrjjTwt8eTXEZ/h/ Ignmv/p7Wa8vA== To: Juliusz Chroboczek , "STARK\, BARBARA H" Cc: Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: <87zhq1exrh.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87ef7ghq86.wl-jch@irif.fr> <8736nwq13q.wl-jch@irif.fr> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0D554A@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> <87zhq1exrh.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:00:24 +0100 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87imwo31sn.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] Reworked implementation of HMAC authentication X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:00:30 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >> The info model has the flags that say whether or not a key is used for >> signing (or validating). A key can be "disabled" by setting the flags to >> "false" to indicate it's not used for anything. And keys can be added/deleted. > > There's a number of indirections in the information model, and I'm not > sure whether I should be mirrorring that in the config file format: > > interface -> security-obj -> credential-obj -> cred > > The model used by babeld's config file is way simpler: > > interface -> key > > There are two questions that I need to think about (and any contributions > from y'all will be considered carefully before they are discarded): > > 1. How much flexibility am I giving up by having just one level of > indirection instead of three ? FWIW, Bird will also use the simpler mechanism (a key is part of the iface config). But the Bird reload semantics is only "re-read the entire config", so doesn't have the same dynamic reconfig issues... -Toke From nobody Tue Mar 12 05:20:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BED130F30 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yatDckDDMhyY for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7894C130F24 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x2CCKQH2017232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:26 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id x2CCKRhN023996; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:27 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8222523BC; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:29 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id QRyFcHu6BCZE; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0CF26523B9; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87d0mw9tdh.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= Cc: "STARK, BARBARA H" , babel-users , Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: <87imwo31sn.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87ef7ghq86.wl-jch@irif.fr> <8736nwq13q.wl-jch@irif.fr> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0D554A@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> <87zhq1exrh.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87imwo31sn.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:26 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:20:27 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C87A40A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:20:38 -0000 > FWIW, Bird will also use the simpler mechanism (a key is part of the > iface config). How do you share a key between interfaces? From nobody Tue Mar 12 05:45:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B23B130F2A for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:45:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9WAGyK4CcNpe for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5D31126DFA for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1552394744; bh=DkHcYTCbV6HhW4aWq2eFUHtWoawl+ce6W1/v/XBVBhc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=ovL876UYvNB7Dy6diFeA8T0Ax5m/Vo9FV3HLSms+Uo1AREv+zjcuo7W6woiBErOwx jzboAMuZOSXztXJdd/Kfa+LEsGcDeY+OW5w22Zsz1iMqCtDS+k58ZsJlOQj1GuAbOC VZfXXBg4EGhryVtwumtIh2TXMf8iWWJcTD5KG5olxmgkbq3IMC5QJ1pm+zhQyHMbtQ VqZk/jBG3EfuyOq1iRS0Xad4OtDEMxA8ys2NpzylK57s+ZKfAsHizKevmvAHMp/G3a x3f7wvNY4ORsL6lzRiIf5BK0emdKYSR7hqdySmYhb3AFS6JlBW5Yz8+Ap42Mdir0XY exm4yYEryjd/A== To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: "STARK\, BARBARA H" , babel-users , Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: <87d0mw9tdh.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87ef7ghq86.wl-jch@irif.fr> <8736nwq13q.wl-jch@irif.fr> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114E0D554A@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> <87zhq1exrh.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87imwo31sn.fsf@toke.dk> <87d0mw9tdh.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:45:43 +0100 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <874l882rd4.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] Reworked implementation of HMAC authentication X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:45:49 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >> FWIW, Bird will also use the simpler mechanism (a key is part of the >> iface config). > > How do you share a key between interfaces? You can set them globally or per-interface (interface options in general are just overrides of the global per-protocol options). I'm not sure what happens if you set both, actually. If you want to, say, use the same key on two interfaces, but not a third, you'd have to copy the config line to both interface configs. There are also a bunch of per-key options, such as active times and an ID. See the 'password' entry here: https://bird.network.cz/?get_doc&v=20&f=bird-3.html#ss3.3 I haven't played around with this extensively, but am planning to do that once I get around to updating the implementation to the latest version of the draft... -Toke From nobody Tue Mar 12 09:23:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E0D1200B3; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:23:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tvNI9OwBy7O; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67CFD130E77; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id k21so2560906ior.13; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YuOdQEJ5xh9I4Mc8EfX25UOzJz4mfXtUqgQtpNDoV3I=; b=t1cg7ans6d/GrCfOg/0ZoRYXFRYl02JqmNYp25UbYNQaqE+B2l4gBfl67xTwiDIDpd /iF0HvDa5s9gCmnGGoVefag+eLlunHXk2AUkhYy88x5Q6UyPtiGWEPCBCOw46oJZ1/RA 8R5aI5sP3RPXD7Eabh/Cn2s7B90dxh6X73te6wntvir56jgbZ4flQTF0cK0ukIVgdzrW 5OvcwGiMPAnDeorMvObcWBhPYFZGSBn/LrK51QA99rNA2xN5bpMBZfaN1Ygq72/GFWNV E1rNQBy6WpYCU6F53mQL6zkUOwFf+y+Aq7QBSoyMNcWXcWNJSrg5AVJ9DdEqr6HHBFbW gakg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YuOdQEJ5xh9I4Mc8EfX25UOzJz4mfXtUqgQtpNDoV3I=; b=IgIAjvu1+/yalnstVunJc/FdxI8NwWQlU2Z8dljtVRPYbiOG5BChtWH7jEV1DaHJeP JInoQI5gRWVbBokTcxo6suGIa7y8fza1T+k3SFC4BA+NoR5FgYL1IWekMqUyBApuX4Bj 5ZRQc4O9BzuCUb8z0UkAtrRoHZbOJhAMA/X/w4qK8V0JG1jgZlAnDqE6iQ93Tk+DpAeK PlgchDNbJ7FrH9lc7u6EH4uU0ycH0Lj4C7YK6tT4S7p9PmFvltOhjpdxamejAp40jybB wFUkuTuv1g3dDXj9TjvujxnAuMatQ1Bqbpmg/tevZecPLixRlkzUA9g/EUUA8nMmnP+o 38Iw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWvfFzRkHpATfafenRHpWO8qT7D21jJVjEobnG8lH1xcEM4+jrS lDMftI9C5ZH9DkBkur/nHEUHkQjirJ7V8hatrQI9z7Wt X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx8VQmR9uucSlWZ/SrwTJoiTCUG9OzPBO9GOoLsjP6y2m7BsuiD4L5CqNYhbeAGgsViJ286OHsR8gKNr4P9y60= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:5006:: with SMTP id e6mr21413379iob.132.1552407824426; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <155234661940.23191.18424254361449408608.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <87bm2hgfhl.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: <87bm2hgfhl.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Cc: babel-chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ebee0d0583e81c8e" Archived-At: Subject: [babel] WG Adoption call for draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 7:26 PM Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > I most humbly request adoption of this draft by the working group. > > -- Juliusz > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: Juliusz Chroboczek , Baptiste Jonglez < > baptiste.jonglez@ens-lyon.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:23:39 -0700 > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02.txt > > A new version of I-D, draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02.txt > has been successfully submitted by Juliusz Chroboczek and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension > Revision: 02 > Title: Delay-based Metric Extension for the Babel Routing Protocol > Document date: 2019-03-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 9 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension/ > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02 > > Abstract: > This document defines an extension to the Babel routing protocol that > uses symmetric delay in metric computation and therefore makes it > possible to prefer lower latency links to higher latency ones. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --000000000000ebee0d0583e81c8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

This message begins a call for WG adoption of = draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension running until the BABEL WG meeting in Pra= gue. Do you think this draft should be adopted by the WG?

Posts in the past few days supporting the d= raft will be taken into=C2=A0consideration.

Thanks,
Donald<= br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-227= 0 (cell)
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 7:26 PM Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:
I most humbly request adoption of this d= raft by the working group.

-- Juliusz




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Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-exten= sion
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Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Delay-based Metric Extension for t= he Babel Routing Protocol
Document date:=C2=A0 2019-03-11
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
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URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jonglez-b= abel-rtt-extension-02.txt
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines an extension to the Babel routing protoc= ol that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0uses symmetric delay in metric computation and therefore makes= it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0possible to prefer lower latency links to higher latency ones.=




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--000000000000ebee0d0583e81c8e-- From nobody Tue Mar 12 10:29:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C1D131290; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93sQ7flXfyXO; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x833.google.com (mail-qt1-x833.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::833]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDA31131272; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x833.google.com with SMTP id v20so3447765qtv.12; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=42mFbs9RhJJEykDkMn0JBllft0qJVkBsRfJHjtOEgbw=; b=eadnGR61m4CKLF762Ns+8rwH/hSs6mpu4gZL6KuiQDe5caScHqBDANBJsasUoQvEoy GVA1k/pUMuEpx6MjB67DpZcM2Hzvv9gVtN3HcNmm7U47cofzrzRu0J7z6ZbWQhv0dPnI kzTLHJTwENgeXuHu+x55HFhpmfG2DlmcH3qMXJVFZRVqVTXzxihMYhy/eOXGVfohKm4M QnFjR346z6vzCI/W7oCHfApynAGTxGQSTpedYWHNTwelord7Lkf/5jPQYCapCSd/yJGM oagPi9BSnxVjWATTIGkns8GpdKQKBSdclc6a6vKAcGLC//kHjyN79rswtkCLSAFwMLwv kISQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=42mFbs9RhJJEykDkMn0JBllft0qJVkBsRfJHjtOEgbw=; b=qxbI3bTr1c7Yy8+lxCbVWdX2Bh9N2dCLqZQgPBXPKB5qIuJ9Wg1ZnDtyks2J60e4xo Zxvm6DEbqO0H56e4pQaV5ed56eXG7sS7f+oDkq4+4LFaGiZUkW1OkHT5DCnRT9vJpJjK Tt3ybYHnVQxyazshRSPTyVKQqLdYEj7stVRDLbQcUMOR92o+6T0qNq3y2VvLYywkLW8M /e29Kij0zUQkbZkm5TNiN/mGgreq+7/A8H9XUGh1PYyltHd6o5sn73BF5gn7mPfeWTnm LfRIIdg9UvnCiXAMSK0VZ8PddpwNv22mmyn7M3TVDj4cVKcXCKYLaCVtYmEeVcgzvPWA ETRA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWIFco2AkyFyOAry5TrzbODwOamClF3WiCuGtvzAbM2Uf4hvJ4K QW60+uvecjL4Ui7jh1y70dIelPncW076TZgzULE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy777XLYeRy7EqizvQ6C71c+I7gfkplZucX3x3m/g17kGD0bL7o2SoBCQ5oGERGAxjDHPlLlxvkH+WIcKFOnd4= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1c7c:: with SMTP id j57mr18524037qtk.376.1552411771793; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <155234661940.23191.18424254361449408608.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <87bm2hgfhl.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:29:19 -0700 Message-ID: To: Donald Eastlake Cc: Babel at IETF , babel-chairs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] WG Adoption call for draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:29:35 -0000 I approve of the adoption of this draft. I do have some researchy-issues though - I've longed to finally make this work well with short RTTs in the now standard fq_codeled networking environments. I have a couple things that will work, I think, but I haven't got around to doing them. Also, there are some major issues with babel's congestion control, in general, that need to be worked out. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi, > > This message begins a call for WG adoption of draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-ext= ension running until the BABEL WG meeting in Prague. Do you think this draf= t should be adopted by the WG? > > Posts in the past few days supporting the draft will be taken into consid= eration. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 7:26 PM Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> >> I most humbly request adoption of this draft by the working group. >> >> -- Juliusz >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf..org >> To: Juliusz Chroboczek , Baptiste Jonglez >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:23:39 -0700 >> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-= 02.txt >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension-02.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Juliusz Chroboczek and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension >> Revision: 02 >> Title: Delay-based Metric Extension for the Babel Routing Proto= col >> Document date: 2019-03-11 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 9 >> URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jonglez-babel= -rtt-extension-02.txt >> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt= -extension/ >> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-exte= nsion-02 >> Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jonglez-babe= l-rtt-extension >> Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-jonglez-babel-= rtt-extension-02 >> >> Abstract: >> This document defines an extension to the Babel routing protocol that >> uses symmetric delay in metric computation and therefore makes it >> possible to prefer lower latency links to higher latency ones. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submis= sion >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> babel mailing list >> babel@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740 From nobody Tue Mar 12 11:49:36 2019 Return-Path: <7riw77@gmail.com> X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A401312CB; 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Support!=20 =F0=9F=98=8A /r From nobody Tue Mar 12 15:39:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12A5131155; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYH9KRW9wu-w; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zm-mta-out-1.u-ga.fr (zm-mta-out-1.u-ga.fr [152.77.200.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B86EB131170; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zm-mta-out.u-ga.fr (zm-mta-out.u-ga.fr [152.77.200.58]) by zm-mta-out-1.u-ga.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773C6A0711; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:39:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtps.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr (smtps.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr [152.77.1.30]) by zm-mta-out.u-ga.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F09E00C2; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:39:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from imag.fr (rezine.polyno.me [193.33.56.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jonglezb@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr) by smtps.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 421AA125EB6; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:39:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:39:11 +0100 From: Baptiste Jonglez To: Donald Eastlake Cc: Babel at IETF , babel-chairs Message-ID: <20190312223911.GA25270@imag.fr> References: <155234661940.23191.18424254361449408608.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <87bm2hgfhl.wl-jch@irif.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.3 (2019-02-01) X-Greylist: Whitelist-UGA SMTP Authentifie (jonglezb@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr) via smtps-465 ACL (112) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] WG Adoption call for draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:39:19 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I have not been active in the group but I do follow from a distance since its inception in 2015. Thank you Juliusz for nudging me about this particular email thread though. On 12-03-19, Donald Eastlake wrote: > This message begins a call for WG adoption of > draft-jonglez-babel-rtt-extension running until the BABEL WG meeting in > Prague. Do you think this draft should be adopted by the WG? As the (co-)author of the draft and its implementation in babeld, I approve its adoption by the WG with pleasure. Re-reading this draft 5 years after it was written, I found a few small mistakes and style issues, but nothing that cannot be tackled within the WG! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:45:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B946410D-8AC9-45D7-AB53-738F73A4BA76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I believe I had brought this up before. There is a YANG keychain model = (RFC 8177) that might help provide some guidance here. But before we get there, there is one clarification. There is no = babel-security-obj any more. The current tree diagram for babel is as = follows ... +-- babel-information +-- babel-implementation-version +-- babel-enable +-- router-id +-- babel-supported-link-types +-- self-seqno +-- babel-metric-comp-algorithms +-- babel-security-supported +-- babel-hmac-enable +-- babel-hmac-algorithms +-- babel-dtls-enable +-- babel-dtls-cert-types +-- babel-stats-enable +-- babel-stats-reset +-- babel-constants =E2=80=A6 with security configured by whether HMAC is enabled or not, = and whether DTLS is enabled or not. And there is no reference to a = per-interface configuration. So, currently, as defined, both HMAC and = DTLS are global. Based on what I am reading here, it appears that is not = what was intended. So I will join Barbara in saying we do not want to = cause a rebellion by suggesting something totally radical here :-) BTW, do we want to maintain the ability to have a global config for = security such that it applies to all interfaces?=20 Back to the question at hand, and the guidance that the keychain model = provides for symmetric keys used by routing protocols. Again this is the = YANG tree diagram for keychains. +--rw key-chains +--rw key-chain* [name] | +--rw name string | +--rw description? string | +--rw accept-tolerance {accept-tolerance}? | | +--rw duration? uint32 | +--ro last-modified-timestamp? yang:date-and-time | +--rw key* [key-id] | +--rw key-id uint64 | +--rw lifetime | | +--rw (lifetime)? | | +--:(send-and-accept-lifetime) | | | +--rw send-accept-lifetime | | | +--rw (lifetime)? | | | +--:(always) | | | | +--rw always? empty | | | +--:(start-end-time) | | | +--rw start-date-time? | | | | yang:date-and-time | | | +--rw (end-time)? | | | +--:(infinite) | | | | +--rw no-end-time? empty | | | +--:(duration) | | | | +--rw duration? uint32 | | | +--:(end-date-time) | | | +--rw end-date-time? | | | yang:date-and-time What this implies is that key-chains are declared globally, and each = key-chain, indexed by a name, defines a bunch of keys, referenced by a = key-id, each of which have their own lifetime, both on the send and = receive side. If the desire is to have a key per interface, that interface would then = have a reference to one of the key-chains. Ideally, a separate key = rotation protocol decides which key is used out of the chain. But since = we never quite got around to defining that protocol in KARP, each = implementation is left to decide how to pick the key. Sharing of keys = between interfaces can be had by having both interfaces refer to the = same keychain.=20 Few things would have to happen to the existing documents in Babel. The = IM should be updated to provide a reference from the interface to the = babel-hmac-obj/babel-dtls-obj, and add a reference to a keychain instead = of a key itself. If a global security configuration is desired, where = every flag gets the same security configuration, then we will need a = global flag to state so. Secondly, in the YANG model for Babel, we = augment the keychain model to support ability to = add/delete/rotate/synchronize keys separately, and update the data model = to mirror any changes we make to the IM. Cheers. > On Mar 12, 2019, at 5:45 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >=20 >>> FWIW, Bird will also use the simpler mechanism (a key is part of the >>> iface config). >>=20 >> How do you share a key between interfaces? >=20 > You can set them globally or per-interface (interface options in = general > are just overrides of the global per-protocol options). I'm not sure > what happens if you set both, actually. >=20 > If you want to, say, use the same key on two interfaces, but not a > third, you'd have to copy the config line to both interface configs. >=20 > There are also a bunch of per-key options, such as active times and an > ID. See the 'password' entry here: > https://bird.network.cz/?get_doc&v=3D20&f=3Dbird-3.html#ss3.3 >=20 > I haven't played around with this extensively, but am planning to do > that once I get around to updating the implementation to the latest > version of the draft... >=20 > -Toke >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_B946410D-8AC9-45D7-AB53-738F73A4BA76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = believe I had brought this up before. There is a YANG keychain model = (RFC 8177) that might help provide some guidance here.

But before we get there, there is one = clarification. There is no babel-security-obj any more. The current tree = diagram for babel is as follows ...

   +-- babel-information
      +-- babel-implementation-version
      +-- babel-enable
      +-- router-id
      +-- babel-supported-link-types
      +-- self-seqno
      +-- babel-metric-comp-algorithms
      +-- babel-security-supported
      +-- babel-hmac-enable
      +-- babel-hmac-algorithms
      +-- babel-dtls-enable
      +-- babel-dtls-cert-types
      +-- babel-stats-enable
      +-- babel-stats-reset
      +-- babel-constants

=E2=80=A6 with security = configured by whether HMAC is enabled or not, and whether DTLS is = enabled or not. And there is no reference to a per-interface = configuration. So, currently, as defined, both HMAC and DTLS are global. = Based on what I am reading here, it appears that is not what was = intended. So I will join Barbara in saying we do not want to cause a = rebellion by suggesting something totally radical here :-)

BTW, do we want to = maintain the ability to have a global config for security such that it = applies to all interfaces? 

Back to the question at hand, and the = guidance that the keychain model provides for symmetric keys used by = routing protocols. Again this is the YANG tree diagram for = keychains.

   +--rw key-chains
      +--rw key-chain* [name]
      |  +--rw name                       string
      |  +--rw description?               string
      |  +--rw accept-tolerance {accept-tolerance}?
      |  |  +--rw duration?   uint32
      |  +--ro last-modified-timestamp?   yang:date-and-time
      |  +--rw key* [key-id]
      |     +--rw key-id                    uint64
      |     +--rw lifetime
      |     |  +--rw (lifetime)?
      |     |     +--:(send-and-accept-lifetime)
      |     |     |  +--rw send-accept-lifetime
      |     |     |     +--rw (lifetime)?
      |     |     |        +--:(always)
      |     |     |        |  +--rw always?            empty
      |     |     |        +--:(start-end-time)
      |     |     |           +--rw start-date-time?
      |     |     |           |       yang:date-and-time
      |     |     |           +--rw (end-time)?
      |     |     |              +--:(infinite)
      |     |     |              |  +--rw no-end-time?       empty
      |     |     |              +--:(duration)
      |     |     |              |  +--rw duration?          uint32
      |     |     |              +--:(end-date-time)
      |     |     |                 +--rw end-date-time?
      |     |     |                         yang:date-and-time

What this implies = is that key-chains are declared globally, and each key-chain, indexed by = a name, defines a bunch of keys, referenced by a key-id, each of which = have their own lifetime, both on the send and receive side.

If the desire is to have = a key per interface, that interface would then have a reference to one = of the key-chains. Ideally, a separate key rotation protocol decides = which key is used out of the chain. But since we never quite got around = to defining that protocol in KARP, each implementation is left to decide = how to pick the key. Sharing of keys between interfaces can be had by = having both interfaces refer to the same keychain. 

Few things would have to = happen to the existing documents in Babel. The IM should be updated to = provide a reference from the interface to the = babel-hmac-obj/babel-dtls-obj, and add a reference to a keychain instead = of a key itself. If a global security configuration is desired, where = every flag gets the same security configuration, then we will need a = global flag to state so. Secondly, in the YANG model for Babel, we = augment the keychain model to support ability to = add/delete/rotate/synchronize keys separately, and update the data model = to mirror any changes we make to the IM.

Cheers.

On Mar = 12, 2019, at 5:45 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen <toke=3D40toke.dk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> writes:

FWIW, Bird will also use the simpler mechanism (a key is part = of the
iface config).

How do you share a key between interfaces?

You can set them globally or = per-interface (interface options in general
are just = overrides of the global per-protocol options). I'm not sure
what happens if you set both, actually.

If you want to, say, use the same key on two interfaces, but = not a
third, you'd have to copy the config line to both = interface configs.

There are also a bunch = of per-key options, such as active times and an
ID. See = the 'password' entry here:
https://bird.network.cz/?get_doc&v=3D20&f=3Dbird-3.html= #ss3.3

I haven't played around with = this extensively, but am planning to do
that once I get = around to updating the implementation to the latest
version = of the draft...

-Toke

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X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5C883C61.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5C883C61.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] Reworked implementation of HMAC authentication X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:10:39 -0000 > So, currently, as defined, both HMAC and DTLS are global. Based on what > I am reading here, it appears that is not what was intended. So I will > join Barbara in saying we do not want to cause a rebellion by suggesting > something totally radical here :-) > BTW, do we want to maintain the ability to have a global config for security > such that it applies to all interfaces? What happens when a new interface is added to an existing configuration? With a global configuration, it is automatically and hopefully atomically configured with the global configuration. Without a global configuration, the new interface might be created with a default security configuration, which might (or might not) constitute a security hole. Both of our security protocols have two properties: 1. the ability to have multiple credentials configured on a single interface at the same time; 2. the ability to have different sets of credentials on different interfaces. The first property is what allows incremental key rotation (add the new key, which might involve climbing trees, then remove the old key, which, again, might involve visiting your local hospital's emergency room after you fell off from a ladder). The second property is what enables interconnection of routing domains managed by different administrative entities -- you probably don't want to share your domain's private keys, so the peering link would most probably use a different set of credentials. This is particularly critical for HMAC, which only supports symmetric keying. I think that these are important properties, and they should be reflected in the YANG model. -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 12 19:35:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B55212796D; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:35:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Donald Eastlake via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: babel-chairs@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, Donald Eastlake , babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <155244452103.5610.12120200543266410003.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:35:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-babel-hmac-04 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 23:26:44 -0000 > On Mar 12, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >=20 >> So, currently, as defined, both HMAC and DTLS are global. Based on = what >> I am reading here, it appears that is not what was intended. So I = will >> join Barbara in saying we do not want to cause a rebellion by = suggesting >> something totally radical here :-) >=20 >> BTW, do we want to maintain the ability to have a global config for = security >> such that it applies to all interfaces? >=20 > What happens when a new interface is added to an existing = configuration? > With a global configuration, it is automatically and hopefully = atomically > configured with the global configuration. Without a global = configuration, > the new interface might be created with a default security = configuration, > which might (or might not) constitute a security hole. Agree. Will keep the global configuration option. Requires an update to = the IM and DM. >=20 > Both of our security protocols have two properties: >=20 > 1. the ability to have multiple credentials configured on a single > interface at the same time; > 2. the ability to have different sets of credentials on different > interfaces. >=20 > The first property is what allows incremental key rotation (add the = new > key, which might involve climbing trees, then remove the old key, = which, > again, might involve visiting your local hospital's emergency room = after > you fell off from a ladder). This capability is supported by the keychain model. >=20 > The second property is what enables interconnection of routing domains > managed by different administrative entities -- you probably don't = want to > share your domain's private keys, so the peering link would most = probably > use a different set of credentials. This is particularly critical for > HMAC, which only supports symmetric keying. Hmm. Can the two domains use certs/asymmetric keys to send the symmetric = key obtained by one end, in a secure fashion to the partner domain?=20 >=20 > I think that these are important properties, and they should be = reflected > in the YANG model. >=20 > -- Juliusz Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Fri Mar 15 06:56:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA6212D4E9 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2019 06:56:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SczHPKsWw_54 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2019 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2c.google.com (mail-io1-xd2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88A68129AA0 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2019 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2c.google.com with SMTP id v10so8292407iom.8 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2019 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kPipo2lgWSdbs1KrMzzSRTpjlvYTsORsCQimOyEgOm4=; b=RZT8Mct3rM53RBWaC+kiwgM4bHmYkhilygJXEielGckC1znQtPZXEamY6TGmVs5qj/ Oi0VeeGX1Zdc5QAHQqLPIBaqhUOgxkCi4J0B98h6w1DLbN5zBQIY+XHpHt9mnI3/urqk ZuH/vAg8FyQJgQwgrT9Znv5X0vgR9Cee3yLdZF3lQuvUqIKVU9yKCpBHIdCoomqRdLRk 2SZIrVUirzHqjuB90e306OFxRF1PTp2U5j1bJJDlim6wUurcw3q+PVB85uL13tnG2FJU iXALKyMdX5SjGqO03LRA6EUp52Mevfr2HJ9OUpsfcJJnwspCntIw4MxupUoPsnbFUmKR GyHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kPipo2lgWSdbs1KrMzzSRTpjlvYTsORsCQimOyEgOm4=; b=KiRFM+fukGhGPSgt1BWUOC9YM8n3Mf4nm3i/ccgDqf/y5+de0govkVwgZWlMtLy9IS YImqnOfBjarGhtTywCGDgRiTdUBlwe66IlJnf3SWuSajA0+0duZjfAkiDzKacmK2LKFn h7SHPABcCY7FCWzHTPPFe23nnJZK03rJ0wKVRGmZeLga6Hifq77MSBk7HPLwKGWXQ5bp spUdBJ0KqCCGOTh0/OQh6WFpXu5WyjGp5Sfi90oIms4IB6F1P57TA915p4kpmdLSdKDe NYu78fdc8akcrk69lQIfaYvc6TmSag37rmNO2+MD1bjMbxXcHW2saexWLJuo3VMOKp17 Su/g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWS5rOI/2TzuTjtAB9LavwcFROs/AX3uKsKzH3O2xq3vGr8T+tx muU0nb+8OpKSPRxprtRhcFO9oQEF/dl0cG5M2z86R5FJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwAdbxpe32flzNOyicjqKRuCJXfGseVXAMiaUe7mXbMBQokeS5mPxu0bHU0lAyMdA3yWCrRnpitayaSVGAcgwY= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:c382:: with SMTP id t124mr2320246iof.158.1552658159728; Fri, 15 Mar 2019 06:55:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Antonin_D=C3=A9cimo?= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:55:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: babel-users Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [babel] [Babel-users] Reworked implementation of Babel-over-DTLS X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 13:56:02 -0000 Hello lists, I=E2=80=99ve finally managed to rework my implementation of Babel-over-DTLS (spoiler: it seems to be working). Thanks to Juliusz for the help. You can get the code by doing git clone -b dtls2 https://github.com/MisterDA/babeld The code requires the mbedTLS library (version 2.16) [1]. The code is still heavily instrumented (lots of printfs=E2=80=A6). While t= his code is not carefully tested, it is meant to eventually implement the protocol described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-dtls Known issues: - no interoperability testing has been done yet; - we don=E2=80=99t timeout neighbours properly, which makes us vulnerable= to delayed packets; - there is no user interface to provide certificates and keys, they are all hard-coded in the DTLS library. It is unclear to me how the user interface to provide certificates and private keys should look like, and if we prefer CA certificates or self-signed. Perhaps the draft should be more specific about that. You can test this code by saying something like: babeld -C 'interface eth0 unicast true dtls true' The "unicast true" flag tells babeld to send all TLVs but Hello TLVs over unicast, "dtls true" tells babeld to use DTLS on the selected interface. The "unicast" flag is required for Babel-over-DTLS to operate as expected. Use "dtls-protocol-port" to specify a port. The default port is hard-coded to 50000, a port number has been requested to IANA. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 18:58:17 -0000 >> The second property is what enables interconnection of routing domains >> managed by different administrative entities -- you probably don't want to >> share your domain's private keys, so the peering link would most probably >> use a different set of credentials. This is particularly critical for >> HMAC, which only supports symmetric keying. > Hmm. Can the two domains use certs/asymmetric keys to send the symmetric > key obtained by one end, in a secure fashion to the partner domain? Sure. One could for example copy the key over ssh, or use a dedicated key agreement protocol. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:36:35 -0000 Hi, We have determined that there is WG consensus for the publication of draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-07.txt. A trivial revision for fix a few minor typos will be posted in a few days and publication will be requested. Thanks, Donald and Russ =============================== From nobody Sun Mar 24 03:53:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6526D1286E7 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d1O6edIwM-0K for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA561127961 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x2OAreA0002626; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:53:40 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C410A636E7; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:53:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id lzA60ql8KYa5; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:53:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A554636E4; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:53:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:53:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87lg14lf0o.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Donald Eastlake Cc: Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:53:40 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C9761B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5C9761B4.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5C9761B4.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Consensus for draft-ietf-rfc6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:53:50 -0000 > We have determined that there is WG consensus for the publication of > draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-07.txt. Wow. Just... wow. Thanks to everyone involved! -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 26 07:17:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E811202FC for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:17:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9L8LKuS0uLO1 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A0AC1202F0 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x2QEGtKG015330 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:16:56 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7327705B for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:16:59 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 1A_cby9d0CmP for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:16:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (dhcp-94ce.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.148.206]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8ADEC77055 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:16:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:16:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87r2at67qe.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:16:56 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C9A3457.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:17:04 -0000 I am not aware of any Intellectual Property related to draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis. -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 26 07:30:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AB11202CC for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7JzD5lM9w6r4 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A13512035B for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x2QEUiJA028360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:44 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id x2QEUjpK005085; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:45 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6F2774FD; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 7J5616wY--EK; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (dhcp-94ce.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.148.206]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AEA07774FA; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87mulh673d.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:44 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:30:45 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5C9A3794.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:30:52 -0000 Dear all, The Babel meeting at IETF 104 will be this Thursday 28 March in room Athens/Barcelona. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ If you're in Prague, please come. If you're not in Prague, please attend through the Internet : https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/104/remote/ The preliminary agenda is here : https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/agenda-104-babel-02 Among other things, I'll be giving a talk about Babel-RTT, an extension to Babel developed a few years ago by Baptiste Jonglez and which I'm pushing for adoption by the IETF. This should be interesting even if you haven't been following the Babel standardisation work. See you all on Thursday, -- Juliusz From nobody Tue Mar 26 07:41:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15BF120303 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CXjkZeaBasPH for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl1-x62c.google.com (mail-pl1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF88B120301 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id b11so1731615plr.7 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=piUckK2gT/mX34aUciAHNecujVMX4UwtBwgI5/zzmj4=; b=BMy8IFoxjKoXBgC7hDcZJ0HOiPdP5NahIj/vymqxWUshqpRBtoqNrEuBhkAS59USo1 dUc51Bwjo3qxIOPAD0fvHPXjoxWkNFreXKahIJJQR0KUkRTZtGZmE2VQEyiraT5xpgbG 5mQNekWm+9XcoWQEKGyqj9WH7Qfz7sEvVPOZPV+QtneqoKPIN92lKOSZRh8KXilUr1ur oCz03lqwbaG4me9UJy9nafGfXrg/1sK80pX3vMKNstIH+MGtw7+wQci/hIjUkEc+ABcs 8f/zRJ/Rn5peKc8H+afIbKI5Op2n449iPFNCY83xAAsu2m7F7hJq0AZfMQ9s1B+ARXLW 3K8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=piUckK2gT/mX34aUciAHNecujVMX4UwtBwgI5/zzmj4=; b=JKzEnhv3Qjk1jep2qaTmpUsvfLSRB7N/MQs8OwD+7xP4eAo2EiSmg2pQJSBfP8rI8T I7bi07Dn25AhSqH7qfzBLdfDWNnsnF5/3gxpXRj3fc69GhDfdNiuKCcFwd40XCENvTBx PVhirZl5Oz1kjlXQp0Df8YlcO1HH2iAADS+8iPPY1Yh6ug3RK3SfvY/Bz4zkM8h1hCV3 3vcfn9QWtMTdZ+JLMLxD12AUFgaiUJfNiKW2Pmt8Pw1iIXwxpCTIzO+S0fndEDYIl5Al GYpO7lkVjV1dNO8EOGMyRDCGdO6C8X1Ih5eHrN+b7btbxKBTekDnAlv9YDTs6xGi79rb PtMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX4Pm1vVWrUAAYVklq43dMSiRFUloBppHNfsDTPNr+wJCHVZtb9 HvKN4u/tXYqSMWxd9Q49Fh//tRO4UmSlGRbLo6Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzinSgyX0NWaPQEtYzONudEIwHlJ7lHgkG42bHXSG8RjEFSyimK2/+uDXZ9CiCV32QhljaAU/M4qmfnx93WIOU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b282:: with SMTP id u2mr12957186plr.9.1553611281081; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:41:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87r2at67qe.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: <87r2at67qe.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: David Schinazi Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:41:09 +0100 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Babel at IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000872ac30585005004" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] IPR declaration for rfc6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis.

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--000000000000872ac30585005004-- From nobody Wed Mar 27 04:35:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0ED12029B; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:35:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <155368654216.10414.11718705542393500561@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:35:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-08.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:35:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : The Babel Routing Protocol Authors : Juliusz Chroboczek David Schinazi Filename : draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-08.txt Pages : 60 Date : 2019-03-27 Abstract: Babel is a loop-avoiding distance-vector routing protocol that is robust and efficient both in ordinary wired networks and in wireless mesh networks. This document describes the Babel routing protocol, and obsoletes RFCs 6126 and 7557. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Mar 27 07:05:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B797312004B; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Donald Eastlake via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: babel-chairs@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, Donald Eastlake , babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <155369554074.10357.5774297483277325362.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:05:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-08 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:05:41 -0000 Donald Eastlake has requested publication of draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-08 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the BABEL working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/ From nobody Wed Mar 27 07:39:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704D11202FF for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155369759445.10450.7413584349375067434.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:39:54 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Milestones changed for babel WG X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:39:55 -0000 Changed milestone "IESG Submission of RFC6126bis and potentially companion security mechanisms draft (Proposed Standard)", resolved as "Done". 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:47:39 -0000 Dear Barbara, dear all, Concerning your query about interface types. In babeld, an interface can be configured by setting individual parameters: interface eth0 link-quality true or by using an "interface type", which is a consistent bundle of parameters: interface eth0 type wired Individual parameters can be overridden; for example interface eth0 type wired split-horizon false means that eth0 has all the parameters of the type "wired", except that split-horizon is disabled. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:28:10 -0000 The router-id situation is ambiguous. 1. rfc6126bis requires that each router have a router-id (Section 3). 2. However, this router-id is only used when originating routes, so a router that is not originating any could in principle not have one (if there's nobody to see there's no router id, does it matter that there's no router id?). 3. However, none of the implementations skip allocating a router-id, so in practice there's always a router-id. Hence, I think it's reasonable for the information model to assume each router has a router-id. -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Mar 28 08:54:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5037412008A for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ot1za-FwL3TK for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 099CE120013 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id x7so17659089ioh.4 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vvK80wwhZR+k8wFGRmWqkt60AVg94h1dd8kZbiscLRI=; b=qGbQeiizrSCMd1/5L49jA1vIs7Zyo3ix9dodXzLwbC5uBzspWsSv2gf35FlxHI3ECs rlJtJmDmk5FSurLruClXrcdFhuqguJ1mcYyvBO7BpCgOrUYKrqYU3TtBtv/w3PFRiCvN 6QmR/+c0zleNLBAXpsNOZytMsF1Ury1/iIUd9tSoP1zefoh+uaFtFP1cmcNGtVnbT9WV stwZhJRC5Wy3/jWuneXp4pV/2Y44twVpSEOkzG9oKykBLfB5b2XfjhPEaSi43lqKCWMA tftOYTa3Xfy6jqtWMcGLZ7tvXnIEf5BrCARpwPKK6BOAoEPRUgvVxKiAzY3WGuhz8TlE knWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vvK80wwhZR+k8wFGRmWqkt60AVg94h1dd8kZbiscLRI=; b=H57ToNbMRIezaUiWMtXq8is9gCLvTAff1ySqH1aKDY5NrVxJ3UYvB39UUuIcwNw2xz sl/lqoMGlns+6fpJtYN7z1AVUuK3phB57b7wQeCuujbgb7SIF6Ga3ccELhMrfL10Q0yu Z7S3DUKTV053O3Tv/YZIAXl2OFKJPjVjc7CQ7P2FQYxNH5yZJAgExn3heNlClKkftY1+ VBU/x2A2K/XYRNuXMOtbWTRm3h6EECnvrChcZfD+m04j2OJfVgTI9z7ZQjDNSIaeUPb+ Dr1e9DVGnEJlLANWEFFUcKz7RgOSDI7ZA+myexJRo1QceGYB15/RKdBcLa1TuGjbn5vB HbIg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWUuY4bSwhXCRgnmt+6qZrSJius2uZb4q8/MArAcV8EtI88uT+9 IYJ7zUEZ4g9h9jalzfM5KNg+0VXiPnh/mw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx0LiIjvhDsOWXpXe8JM1IQMI49CP8JPYmIAefarze4Z0PfC4tFaLK43SP3S5O1WHgFAW8uMA== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8358:: with SMTP id q24mr29032576ior.273.1553788453035; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [100.90.211.238] ([172.56.12.72]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g10sm4521874itc.36.2019.03.28.08.54.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Mahesh Jethanandani X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16D57) In-Reply-To: <87bm1v6mta.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:54:09 +0100 Cc: babel@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <399360CE-F442-4D12-AAAE-4855AC685CED@gmail.com> References: <87bm1v6mta.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Router-ID and information model X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:54:16 -0000 Hi Juliusz, > On Mar 28, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >=20 > The router-id situation is ambiguous. >=20 > 1. rfc6126bis requires that each router have a router-id (Section 3). >=20 > 2. However, this router-id is only used when originating routes, so > a router that is not originating any could in principle not have one > (if there's nobody to see there's no router id, does it matter that > there's no router id?). >=20 > 3. However, none of the implementations skip allocating a router-id, so in= > practice there's always a router-id. >=20 > Hence, I think it's reasonable for the information model to assume each > router has a router-id. Good to know.=20 =46rom a IM and DM perspective we will have some language that reflects this= assumption.=20 Thanks.=20 >=20 > -- Juliusz Mahesh Jethanandani=20 mjethanandani@gmail.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Thu Mar 28 09:17:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7B5120284 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HevBu93zBOJq for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x135.google.com (mail-it1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFC981200EF for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x135.google.com with SMTP id h9so6970913itl.1 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=M59UypB4RlE/x2XX90rq8idf4ek2czsOGIfSqlXM5sE=; b=PtHTZiOnAqFEdgKC4Ngpba6ljQNJhPtucGGp/3dzkoJ243QNVusKXBEpvtfKGWx+L/ JR4+30M91LkDofu+tPVxIxQnrn8rIH2FhmBT6AgEB4vY7E5Tvibr8oKZ9SpZHt37COGX UkR8+xqEOG6xvYAE9z+ugvWq6jRq/h46BmXjsd4CFdjHYT6mEWHP5KCUFb8Vnt7KorrJ T7kpZoplxKLQFtVwEqGV5qfg0FS8PGFq7wQTAfs1/EQjAojQtejFPVKBYobI0xwSAdIj +kL458LjJfFfbwnyqR3FysItbHPhzKeGwhUgcydrbDOPdoC2ZQxpGLXkW2sCEr1nMxwh dBcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=M59UypB4RlE/x2XX90rq8idf4ek2czsOGIfSqlXM5sE=; b=FxHMW2D6BX92bEPKM2nMVkIkOFjXZBMnFSKxFUV3IjVfzvLxPRr6gwOS+/EhSIr2VG K6WhGvE93v7Bfw8PoRjQOw52oB8zvGp6ZyUEpewY51TyENKvvJ+OhSawWsLe+ujvG0QC oQ0dshtgbmWgbuoCI8hP+8SHLbkFG38H2lJg1lqsb3Ot18zPBZqewuDYMc1mQ5WEjKNs fthll/mrYMK+JI5nu+Hu7+ynroERi/7pfyXK8AZ+qgUM1dbtac2WB6dcMd9DFpMh9eqf klZ19ntwRwdH3xpaT+CjUGbz7uxjJAbuhrQKdejcLg8J9YS+HZdlGP4z8LTeBefDNMSF SRQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWHqidRM5DJ6lDzmTcWUXIOq3TXqHt6UF6DJgnj4erXGgDGdYqk KGEU0xEMXL6sYbvkZ/CD5VA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzGAWe953/xZmQUeNBlP9vUmZ1MlG9BecHUVZ8/oG/2fmiEzJ5xd8wZisBEB46DAJgocQ+XxA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:211:: with SMTP id e17mr31387259jaq.35.1553789829952; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [100.90.211.238] ([172.56.12.72]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b8sm2174757itb.20.2019.03.28.09.17.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Mahesh Jethanandani X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16D57) In-Reply-To: <87d0mb6os6.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:17:06 +0100 Cc: Barbara Stark , babel@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6AE334B7-E718-49FD-8804-8B197EF2F3D4@gmail.com> References: <87d0mb6os6.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Juliusz Chroboczek Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Interface types in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:17:13 -0000 > On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >=20 > Dear Barbara, dear all, >=20 > Concerning your query about interface types. In babeld, an interface can > be configured by setting individual parameters: >=20 > interface eth0 link-quality true >=20 > or by using an "interface type", which is a consistent bundle of parameter= s: >=20 > interface eth0 type wired >=20 > Individual parameters can be overridden; for example >=20 > interface eth0 type wired split-horizon false >=20 > means that eth0 has all the parameters of the type "wired", except that > split-horizon is disabled. >=20 > Currently, the interface types are: >=20 > wired: cost 256 split-horizon true link-quality false > wireless: cost 96 split-horizon false link-quality true > tunnel: cost 96 split-horizon true link-quality false > timestamps true max-rtt-penalty 96 I suggest that we model link type as the set of parameters defined here and u= se the default values indicated here.=20 - name e.g. wired, wireless, tunnel - cost=20 - split-horizon=20 - link-quality - timestamps - max-rtt-penalty The default values can be improved with each version and based on implementa= tion experience.=20 >=20 > The interface types are defined as not being stable between versions -- we= > try to keep the individual parameters compatible between versions, but the= > bundle of parameters corresponding to an interface type can be improved > between versions. >=20 > -- Juliusz Mahesh Jethanandani=20 mjethanandani@gmail.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Sun Mar 31 05:44:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4231F12014C for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:44:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9T4YtI-gZbO for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D9EE12012B for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1554036281; bh=RchAgCr+yBwWrvlDFtiFK+PPyEw8a8dTsEOJOahXZ/8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=T6n15pZZNoxYtzIC3Jfe6UodVm16ndtneAq2XPYdmlDtic8o4x2G3rnX8eJ3yS+a5 2SK8jyhhYh4RuHVPoR0OtejOmsKxbE9Sj6LPSg3RaEbbav1Q0jMiGb2W7LdwbTtXSq xyT7TBpswqsB4x+21AHb5EDpS4RL9vr+fmeZuP1kM9WwioQk13mV69o2Ztefb1u911 LB+pJVKbjRQUrEg8JMzHIvSqIhSIHhXBxIBHUc5dxTelWl2VJu0BMB4LP+TGzwydJX i0+IdsG23m79ssAwTdSxRTc7twR8J61dvNapLhsXGNYiF7h4z5uRi4/s+LZ/971U/H njkgngq/r8lqA== To: David Schinazi , Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Babel at IETF In-Reply-To: References: <87r2at67qe.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:44:40 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87y34vqklj.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] IPR declaration for rfc6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:44:46 -0000 David Schinazi writes: > I am also not aware of any Intellectual Property related to > draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:47:57 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >> We have determined that there is WG consensus for the publication of >> draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-07.txt. > > Wow. Just... wow. And there was much rejoicing! -Toke From nobody Sun Mar 31 09:49:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0451F1201A1 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 09:49:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFFBzyek_5MZ for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 09:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D485120199 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 09:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id k2so8183078qtm.1 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 09:49:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Tz3ePKv01dux98wjwRBKnNsEzRUUPM7kPAuRYpuHTk=; b=iVbcZp7FKBtKTShoViPWXEmSkyDqb5cr+fNRW5PbvSz9BcJdCmWTHe94GSFvcL4IRF Fw+FjscmsOCItFQqjxOi8bDElG8fE31PCAvQe1zvLrAICGlaMWBhTJURrtcIQ9oG+Uk6 SW6ITf+xLkWdgR6sNDOlCZm7Ch8Fm2ZuEivVqciaURz04AHKDsSs5JmXrS0AxNMIBVvc Lt4GFGht3fymhAJHUnohbHYslPt1ZANL3hPMyR9sBfKm9i5osfIjeQc6wq4EaVNEs6yD dOA14P/0cTiKgfrs/zLUdXhrH8L6NHpSklPWpBheO3uQG9o7htl+cS29MVyS5KiLKlAA ZekA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Tz3ePKv01dux98wjwRBKnNsEzRUUPM7kPAuRYpuHTk=; b=jsWGl4gY1uS30PWjU8U2ORC+aauMxkXN9IbCs3mN9FeFHpHXBe8ran6g5i9YwVL/cg pp3HrMCdEiSeL8DLtLErDd7dcRcOSaDe1srRs8PVND3qFu2APY1avKyAL+X4+zM6erBw BB1ekd1aWcDV6S0XkOgQxvY3S90ufQB8HvFhblQvrRobZu7uZ8t+dJ4A/C1tyhnqtU5+ 81AebGtxQceM3Es55oodiC2iejHPV0E93ZYyn0yWjo0KNAWSVIwEmMv2nLCOw4Q0DxTh 4lbRTVA339eVJdlUZKJbjR7xFI03OYvYIwKcad+1HMuv8hkCgLsEN4Nsv6JH8+hebAel IHfw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUVlBmYyqVuklRGdUyZ3RPJQfw1Q+1Oxt+8zbqvKSSqvVodOCJ7 f03TWTB4XtIUFG50AsAGLerGmdiJYZztEGqqlts= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy7aVierMgYp3WPicPT85+wQj1t4VTSGiANSz5Bra0h9rk6yRwoqJJbyaZra0ASTgZZ2kQR4iFzLlIjPvU7I+0= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2207:: with SMTP id o7mr50046654qto.376.1554050981299; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 09:49:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87r2at67qe.wl-jch@irif.fr> <87y34vqklj.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: <87y34vqklj.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:49:29 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: David Schinazi , Juliusz Chroboczek , Babel at IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] IPR declaration for rfc6126bis X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:49:44 -0000 On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:44 PM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > > David Schinazi writes: > > > I am also not aware of any Intellectual Property related to > > draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis. > > Me neither. I am also not aware of any. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:50:18 -0000 On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:48 PM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > > Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > > >> We have determined that there is WG consensus for the publication of > >> draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-07.txt. > > > > Wow. Just... wow. > > And there was much rejoicing! And beer! > -Toke > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740 From nobody Sun Mar 31 13:11:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67261200EF for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:11:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDbqpXEGix54 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 276DA1200FB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x2VKBA3p017903 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:11:10 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F121300C0 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:11:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id t1UmYXTBk-_d for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (gwa-prague.hotel-opera.cz [109.81.193.55]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 197C0300BA for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:11:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87imvyyfc0.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:11:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5CA11EDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5CA11EDE.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5CA11EDE.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Thanks for the meeting! X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:11:20 -0000 Thanks to everyone for the Prague meeting. Thanks to everyone, but in particular to Donald, who once again chaired in his usual efficient and discrete manner. Thanks to Barbara, who did a no-nonsense technical interrogation. And thanks to Mahesh, the newest active participant of the working group, who's doing the technically challenging job of getting us a YANG model. (Toke, we miss you.) -- Juliusz From nobody Sun Mar 31 13:39:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB54F1201D2 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h-xOzZwr4rex for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D26B11201CB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1554064781; bh=hDNq8yFt9FVinFCJAhkSdFgXtordjhpAjKEY5lIyJWI=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=UVdUu9XOCA4lsEza75Q1sqRRZuduIfTPDKURQeuZHtSudqrYxu3T9xr48rplRW+x2 PrmXyxuXNcIRj+FA1IdXta9tibFpmx7BvQ5sDW9VfVp8puAy/2ZadUPptlY1XnOzYw 3EIqrbo6DScpbLkeS4DoeGyjZ6jmRuhlcDZEdugC3WsTdxLrYnWNZK26Ss2gUJSXLS tDyae6gxbZAdT+daB/t6K4B1d2lL+8OxCi3laiXMVFZT+g77v0bBKFwc8vxeU4kTpS XdehiQHUt2nzUVTKyXRjOzgQXeB9Ze2rYQMiwsCcrqVdUcElAsWsiJULaLMJaHWkGW S4oGavw5Ro0CA== To: Juliusz Chroboczek , babel@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <87imvyyfc0.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87imvyyfc0.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:39:41 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87ef6mrd6a.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Thanks for the meeting! X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:39:47 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > Thanks to everyone for the Prague meeting. > > Thanks to everyone, but in particular to Donald, who once again chaired in > his usual efficient and discrete manner. Thanks to Barbara, who did > a no-nonsense technical interrogation. And thanks to Mahesh, the newest > active participant of the working group, who's doing the technically > challenging job of getting us a YANG model. > > (Toke, we miss you.) Thanks! And yeah, bad timing this year. I had a prior engagement with the Norwegian mountains. Glad to hear you guys had fun, though :) -Toke