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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 02:19:04 -0000 Hi, There is WG consensus for draft-ietf-babel-information-model. However, it appears that I did not do a call for IPR declarations on this draft yet so I'll issue one. If and only if there is IPR newly declared, we will need to re-asses consensus in the light of that IPR. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:12 PM Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi, > > draft-ietf-babel-information-model has been well reviewed, in my opinion,= and extensively discussed at WG meetings and on the list. I believe there = is a WG consensus, among those interested, to advance draft-ietf-babel-info= rmation-model. If there are any objections to this, please post them within= a week. > > I will do a Shepherd review. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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([2601:647:5600:5020:889c:c88d:3a64:e366]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m34sm264261pgb.91.2019.10.01.21.25.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Oct 2019 21:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 21:24:59 -0700 Cc: Babel at IETF , babel-chairs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5A6D042F-141D-4C91-89FC-B70EB3B5F37D@gmail.com> References: To: Donald Eastlake X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Call for IPR declarations for draft-ietf-babel-information-model X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 04:25:04 -0000 I am not aware of any IPRs related to this draft. Cheers. > On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:19 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi, > > Please post within a week of this message if you are aware of any IPR > in draft-ietf-babel-information-model that has not yet been declared > to the IETF. The authors of this draft must respond whether or not > they are aware of such IPR. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 13:11:26 -0000 I'm not aware of any IPR associated with this draft. Barbara > -----Original Message----- > From: babel On Behalf Of Donald Eastlake > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 10:19 PM > To: Babel at IETF > Cc: babel-chars@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [babel] Babel Information Model >=20 > Hi, >=20 > There is WG consensus for draft-ietf-babel-information-model. However, it > appears that I did not do a call for IPR declarations on this draft yet s= o I'll issue > one. If and only if there is IPR newly declared, we will need to re-asses > consensus in the light of that IPR. >=20 > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, > Sep 23, 2019 at 11:12 PM Donald Eastlake wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > draft-ietf-babel-information-model has been well reviewed, in my opinio= n, > and extensively discussed at WG meetings and on the list. I believe there= is a > WG consensus, among those interested, to advance draft-ietf-babel- > information-model. If there are any objections to this, please post them > within a week. > > > > I will do a Shepherd review. > > > > Thanks, > > Donald > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Donald E. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 13:24:32 -0000 I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Barbara > -----Original Message----- > From: babel On Behalf Of Donald Eastlake > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 10:19 PM > To: Babel at IETF > Cc: babel-chairs > Subject: [babel] Call for IPR declarations for draft-ietf-babel-informati= on- > model >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Please post within a week of this message if you are aware of any IPR in > draft-ietf-babel-information-model that has not yet been declared to the > IETF. The authors of this draft must respond whether or not they are awar= e > of such IPR. >=20 > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 20:39:06 -0000 --00000000000003590a059443edc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I think this draft is in pretty good shape. I have a suggested alternative abstract and a few minor editorial comments as below. Abstract: I'd like to suggest the alternative wording below. This Babel Information Model provides structured data elements for a Babel implementation reporting its current state and may allow limited configuration of some such data elements. This information model can be used as a basis for creating data models under various other data modeling regimes. Editorials: see below. Section 1, 1st paragraph, remove last set of parentheses. Section 1, 2nd paragraph, remove first set of parentheses. Section 1, 2nd paragraph, last sentence, "may" -> "MAY". Section 1.2, in list, insert "(true or false)" after "Boolean". Section 2, in list of items not required to be read-only, for MAC-keys, "use" -> "used" twice. Section 3.8, in babel-key-use-verify, "comparing an incoming packet" -> "comparing with the MAC in an incoming packet". Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com --00000000000003590a059443edc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I think this draft is in pretty goo= d=C2=A0shape. I have a suggested alternative abstract and a few minor edito= rial comments as below.

Abstract: I'd like to = suggest=C2=A0the alternative wording below.

This Babel Inform= ation Model provides structured data elements for a Babel implementation re= porting its current state and may allow limited configuration of some such = data elements. This information model can be used as a basis for creating d= ata models under various other data modeling regimes.

Editorials: see below.
Section 1, 1st paragraph,= remove last set of parentheses.
Section 1, 2nd paragraph, remove= first set of parentheses.
Section 1, 2nd paragraph, last sentenc= e, "may" -> "MAY".
Section 1.2, in list, i= nsert "(true or false)" after "Boolean".
Sect= ion 2, in list of items not required to be read-only, for MAC-keys, "u= se" -> "used" twice.
Section 3.8, in babel-key-= use-verify, "comparing an incoming packet" -> "comparing = with the MAC in an incoming packet".

=
Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd = =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32= 703 USA
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 20:45:41 -0000 --000000000000847af105944404a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, One other thing, it needs an IANA Considerations Section saying that no IANA actions are required. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 4:38 PM Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi, > > I think this draft is in pretty good shape. I have a suggested alternative > abstract and a few minor editorial comments as below. > > Abstract: I'd like to suggest the alternative wording below. > > This Babel Information Model provides structured data elements for a Babel > implementation reporting its current state and may allow limited > configuration of some such data elements. This information model can be > used as a basis for creating data models under various other data modeling > regimes. > > > Editorials: see below. > Section 1, 1st paragraph, remove last set of parentheses. > Section 1, 2nd paragraph, remove first set of parentheses. > Section 1, 2nd paragraph, last sentence, "may" -> "MAY". > Section 1.2, in list, insert "(true or false)" after "Boolean". > Section 2, in list of items not required to be read-only, for MAC-keys, > "use" -> "used" twice. > Section 3.8, in babel-key-use-verify, "comparing an incoming packet" -> > "comparing with the MAC in an incoming packet". > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > --000000000000847af105944404a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

One other thing, it need= s an IANA Considerations Section saying that no IANA actions are required.<= /div>
Thanks,
Donald
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=C2=A02386 P= anoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com


On Sun, Oct 6= , 2019 at 4:38 PM Donald Eastlake <d= 3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I think this draft i= s in pretty good=C2=A0shape. I have a suggested alternative abstract and a = few minor editorial comments as below.

Abstract: I= 'd like to suggest=C2=A0the alternative wording below.

<= div>This Babel Information Model provides structured data elements for a Ba= bel implementation reporting its current state and may allow limited config= uration of some such data elements. This information model can be used as a= basis for creating data models under various other data modeling regimes.<= /div>

Editorials: see below.
Sect= ion 1, 1st paragraph, remove last set of parentheses.
Section 1, = 2nd paragraph, remove first set of parentheses.
Section 1, 2nd pa= ragraph, last sentence, "may" -> "MAY".
Se= ction 1.2, in list, insert "(true or false)" after "Boolean&= quot;.
Section 2, in list of items not required to be read-only, = for MAC-keys, "use" -> "used" twice.
Secti= on 3.8, in babel-key-use-verify, "comparing an incoming packet" -= > "comparing with the MAC in an incoming packet".
Thanks,
Donald
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
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Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-information-model-10.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 16:23:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : Babel Information Model Authors : Barbara Stark Mahesh Jethanandani Filename : draft-ietf-babel-information-model-10.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2019-10-09 Abstract: This Babel Information Model provides structured data elements for a Babel implementation reporting its current state and may allow limited configuration of some such data elements. This information model can be used as a basis for creating data models under various data modeling regimes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-information-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-information-model-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-information-model-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 21:25:45 -0000 Hi Barbara. I'm fine with all your changes. I'll submit the draft for publication short= ly. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:55 AM STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > > Thanks for the review! Detailed acknowledgement in-line with . > > I=E2=80=99ll be posting an updated draft imminently. It will also include= the IANA Considerations section from your other comment. > > Barbara > > > > From: Donald Eastlake > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2019 4:39 PM > To: Babel at IETF > Cc: babel-chairs ; draft-ietf-babel-information-mo= del@ietf.org > Subject: draft-ietf-babel-information-model Shepherd Review > > > > Hi, > > > > I think this draft is in pretty good shape. I have a suggested alternativ= e abstract and a few minor editorial comments as below. > > > > Abstract: I'd like to suggest the alternative wording below. > > > > This Babel Information Model provides structured data elements for a Babe= l implementation reporting its current state and may allow limited configur= ation of some such data elements. This information model can be used as a b= asis for creating data models under various other data modeling regimes. > > > > Done, but with minor change: =E2=80=9Cvarious data modeling regimes= =E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Cvarious other data modeling regimes=E2=80=9D = (because no =E2=80=9Cfirst=E2=80=9D data modeling regimes is described to b= e =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D than). > > > > Editorials: see below. > > Section 1, 1st paragraph, remove last set of parentheses. > > Done > > Section 1, 2nd paragraph, remove first set of parentheses. > > Done > > Section 1, 2nd paragraph, last sentence, "may" -> "MAY". > > Done > > Section 1.2, in list, insert "(true or false)" after "Boolean". > > Done > > Section 2, in list of items not required to be read-only, for MAC-keys, "= use" -> "used" twice. > > Changed =E2=80=9Cuse=E2=80=9D->=E2=80=9Dkey used=E2=80=9D (I found = the =E2=80=9Cused=E2=80=9D by itself to be ambiguous as to whether the subj= ect of the verb was the parameter or the key) > > Section 3.8, in babel-key-use-verify, "comparing an incoming packet" -> "= comparing with the MAC in an incoming packet". > > Done > > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:29:57 -0000 I'm not aware of any IPR in draft-ietf-babel-yang-model. Barbara > -----Original Message----- > From: babel On Behalf Of Donald Eastlake > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:22 AM > To: Babel at IETF > Cc: babel-chairs > Subject: [babel] IPR Declaration call for draft-ietf-babel-yang-model >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This is a call for declarations of any IPR in draft-ietf-babel-yang-model= that > have not been previously declared to the IETF. The authors of this draft = must > respond. >=20 > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 19:32:33 -0000 I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Thanks. > On Oct 10, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi, > > This is a call for declarations of any IPR in > draft-ietf-babel-yang-model that have not been previously declared to > the IETF. The authors of this draft must respond. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Sun Oct 13 21:21:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FCF1200B8; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:21:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Donald Eastlake via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.105.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: babel-chairs@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, Donald Eastlake , babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <157102689002.20746.4458275566645586351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:21:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-babel-information-model-10 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-information-model/ From nobody Mon Oct 14 07:01:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D55120819; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:01:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Radek_Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD_via_Datatracker?= To: Cc: draft-ietf-babel-yang-model.all@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.105.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?b?UmFkZWsgS3JlasSNw60=?= Message-ID: <157106166738.24700.11185508261809138396@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:01:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-03 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:01:08 -0000 Reviewer: Radek Krejčí Review result: Ready with Nits There is a single module in the draft: ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang. There are 2 warnings reported by pyang 2.0.2, but both warnings seem to be false. ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:53: warning: RFC 8407: 3.1: The IETF Trust Copyright statement seems to be missing (see pyang --ietf-help for details). ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:208: warning: the module seems to use RFC 2119 keywords, but the required text from RFC 8174 is not found (see pyang --ietf-help for details). The draft is well written with an informative overview of the YANG module sections. Maybe some set of example configuration data (some Appendix) would be useful. Regarding the YANG module, I have just a few notes: - In multiple description texts, nodes are referenced by a path in format with dashes (e.g. babel-mac-default-apply). This format is confusing especially when some element in the path contains dash(es). Why the common format with slashes is not used? - Description and reference statements in containers and lists are placed as the last statement (after children nodes). To increase readability and allow people to decide if the content of the container/list is interesting for detailed view, please move the descriptions / references to the beginning. - grouping routes - just think if the grouping is reusable - in the module itself, the grouping is used just once and needless creation of groupings decrease module readability - routes/routes/received-metric - ... indicate a the route ... -> indicate the route ... - babel/interfaces/metric-algorithm - the text "The value MUST be one of those listed in 'metric-comp-algorithm'." in description just duplicates the type's information (identityref with metric-comp-algorithms base). - babel/interfaces/mac-key-sets - what does the babel-mac-key-sets in description refer to? - babel/interfaces/stats/reset - I'm confused, is it per-interface reset (as placed in the module) or system-wide interfaces stats reset (as information model defines it?). If it is the system-wide reset, why tha action cannot be placed in babel container? - babel/mac/test/output/resulting-hash - according to the content, it seems to me that the description is actually the missing description of the test action. - babel/dtls/test/output - seems to me more as a description of the action itself (where the description is missing) From nobody Mon Oct 14 07:07:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E11120058; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:07:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VU6VWJD89ExE; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6881F12002F; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0F241AE02BA; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:07:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:06:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20191014.160642.807920684918683059.mbj@tail-f.com> To: rkrejci@cesnet.cz, noreply@ietf.org Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org, draft-ietf-babel-yang-model.all@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <157106166738.24700.11185508261809138396@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <157106166738.24700.11185508261809138396@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-03 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 01:38:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2BEE055B-C43E-45E5-8E35-B9B305F3D8DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >=20 > Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD via Datatracker wrote: >> Reviewer: Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD >> Review result: Ready with Nits >>=20 >> There is a single module in the draft: ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang. >>=20 >> There are 2 warnings reported by pyang 2.0.2, but both warnings seem = to be >> false. >=20 > Actually, I think they are correct. >=20 >=20 >> ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:53: warning: RFC 8407: 3.1: The IETF Trust = Copyright >> statement seems to be missing (see pyang --ietf-help for details). >=20 > Ok it isn't missing, but it doesn't use the eaxct words it should > use. Yes, the words are not exact. I see two versions of the copyright = statement. Do not know which one is the correct one. In the model and output of =E2=80=98pyang =E2=80=94ietf-help=E2=80=99 Copyright (c) 2019 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, is permitted pursuant to, and subject to the license terms contained in, the Simplified BSD License set forth in Section 4.c of the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info). In the draft: Copyright (c) 2019 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved. This document is subject to BCP 78 = and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info = ) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified BSD License. >=20 >> ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:208: warning: the module seems to use RFC = 2119 >> keywords, but the required text from RFC 8174 is not found (see pyang >> --ietf-help for details). >=20 > This one seems legit as well. Yes, it is missing the word =E2=80=9CNOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D. I will = add it. Thanks. >=20 >=20 > /martin Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_2BEE055B-C43E-45E5-8E35-B9B305F3D8DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> = wrote:

Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> = wrote:
Reviewer: = Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD
Review result: Ready with Nits

There is a single module in the draft: ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang.

There are 2 warnings reported by pyang 2.0.2, but both = warnings seem to be
false.

Actually, I think they are correct.


ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:53: warning: RFC 8407: 3.1: = The IETF Trust Copyright
statement seems to be missing = (see pyang --ietf-help for details).

Ok it isn't missing, but it doesn't use the eaxct words it = should
use.

Yes, the words are not exact. I see two versions of the = copyright statement. Do not know which one is the correct = one.

In the model and output of = =E2=80=98pyang =E2=80=94ietf-help=E2=80=99

     Copyright (c) 2019 IETF Trust and the = persons identified as
     the document authors.  All rights = reserved.

     Redistribution and use in source and = binary forms, with or
     without modification, is permitted = pursuant to, and subject
     to the license terms contained in, the = Simplified BSD
     License set forth in Section 4.c of the = IETF Trust's Legal
     Provisions Relating to IETF = Documents

In the = draft:

   Copyright (c) 2019 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the
   document authors.  All rights reserved.

   This document is subject to BCP 78 and the =
IETF Trust's Legal
   Provisions Relating to IETF Documents
   (https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the =
date of
   publication of this document.  Please review these documents
   carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect
   to this document.  Code Components extracted from this document must
   include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of
   the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as
   described in the Simplified BSD License.


ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:208: warning: the module seems = to use RFC 2119
keywords, but the required text from RFC = 8174 is not found (see pyang
--ietf-help for details).

This one seems legit as well.

Yes, it is = missing the word =E2=80=9CNOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D. I will add = it.

Thanks.



/martin

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



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Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <157106166738.24700.11185508261809138396@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:43:32 -0700 Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org, draft-ietf-babel-yang-model.all@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3532A7A2-E9C2-43AA-A214-4E2AF5470251@gmail.com> References: <157106166738.24700.11185508261809138396@ietfa.amsl.com> To: =?utf-8?B?UmFkZWsgS3JlasSNw60=?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-03 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:43:38 -0000 Hi Radek, Thank you first of all for your thorough review. Please see comments = inline. > On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD > Review result: Ready with Nits >=20 > There is a single module in the draft: ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang. >=20 > There are 2 warnings reported by pyang 2.0.2, but both warnings seem = to be > false. >=20 > ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:53: warning: RFC 8407: 3.1: The IETF Trust = Copyright > statement seems to be missing (see pyang --ietf-help for details). > ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:208: warning: the module seems to use RFC = 2119 > keywords, but the required text from RFC 8174 is not found (see pyang > --ietf-help for details). I have addressed them as part of my discussion with Martin. >=20 > The draft is well written with an informative overview of the YANG = module > sections. Maybe some set of example configuration data (some Appendix) = would be > useful. I am not sure of the ask. Could you elaborate? >=20 > Regarding the YANG module, I have just a few notes: >=20 > - In multiple description texts, nodes are referenced by a path in = format with > dashes (e.g. babel-mac-default-apply). This format is confusing = especially when > some element in the path contains dash(es). Why the common format with = slashes > is not used? Ok. I can see that the text can be confusing. The text is from the = information model (I-d.ietf-babel-information-model), where the name of = the node just happens to follow the path in the YANG model. I can modify = the text to use the node names in the YANG model itself. >=20 > - Description and reference statements in containers and lists are = placed as > the last statement (after children nodes). To increase readability and = allow > people to decide if the content of the container/list is interesting = for > detailed view, please move the descriptions / references to the = beginning. Done. >=20 > - grouping routes > - just think if the grouping is reusable - in the module itself, the = grouping > is used just once and needless creation of groupings decrease module > readability It is a grouping so that it can be used with routing policy module. >=20 > - routes/routes/received-metric > - ... indicate a the route ... -> indicate the route =E2=80=A6 Fixed >=20 > - babel/interfaces/metric-algorithm > - the text "The value MUST be one of those listed in > 'metric-comp-algorithm'." in description just duplicates the type's > information (identityref with metric-comp-algorithms base). How about if it says =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of those listed in = =E2=80=98metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=99 typedef.=E2=80=9D? >=20 > - babel/interfaces/mac-key-sets > - what does the babel-mac-key-sets in description refer to? It now says: "List of references to the mac entries that apply to this interface. When an interface instance is created, all mac instances with default-apply 'true' will be included in this list.=E2=80=9D >=20 > - babel/interfaces/stats/reset > - I'm confused, is it per-interface reset (as placed in the module) = or > system-wide interfaces stats reset (as information model defines = it?). If it > is the system-wide reset, why tha action cannot be placed in babel = container? The action statement defines an operation connected to a specific = container. What would it mean to have an action statement on the whole = babel container? Reset everything? Even though the information model calls for a system-wide reset of = stats, the model defines it at a per-interface level. It can be called = recursively for every interface instance to realize a system-wide reset = of stats. >=20 > - babel/mac/test/output/resulting-hash > - according to the content, it seems to me that the description is = actually > the missing description of the test action. >=20 > - babel/dtls/test/output > - seems to me more as a description of the action itself (where the > description is missing) >=20 Fixed. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:44:01 -0000 Hi Martin, > On Oct 14, 2019, at 11:38 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >=20 > Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Martin Bjorklund = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD via Datatracker wrote: >>>> Reviewer: Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD >>>> Review result: Ready with Nits >>>>=20 >>>> There is a single module in the draft: ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang. >>>>=20 >>>> There are 2 warnings reported by pyang 2.0.2, but both warnings = seem >>>> to be >>>> false. >>>=20 >>> Actually, I think they are correct. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:53: warning: RFC 8407: 3.1: The IETF = Trust >>>> Copyright >>>> statement seems to be missing (see pyang --ietf-help for details). >>>=20 >>> Ok it isn't missing, but it doesn't use the eaxct words it should >>> use. >>=20 >> Yes, the words are not exact. I see two versions of the copyright >> statement. Do not know which one is the correct one. >>=20 >> In the model and output of =E2=80=98pyang =E2=80=94ietf-help=E2=80=99 >>=20 >> Copyright (c) 2019 IETF Trust and the persons identified as >> the document authors. All rights reserved. >>=20 >> Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or >> without modification, is permitted pursuant to, and subject >> to the license terms contained in, the Simplified BSD >> License set forth in Section 4.c of the IETF Trust's Legal >> Provisions Relating to IETF Documents >> (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info). >=20 > pyang only checks the text in the YANG model. >=20 > But the text in the the model and the pyang --ietf-help are not the > same (they are similar but not the same). >=20 > The text that pyang enforces is the text found in the template in > Appendix B in RFC 8407 (it allows (and recommends) a link to the RFC > which is not present in the 8407 template). >=20 > The template text in 8407 is taken from paragraph 6.d in > https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm. Ok. I literary had to copy the text from the output of =E2=80=94ietf-help = to make it happy. >=20 >=20 >> In the draft: >>=20 >> Copyright (c) 2019 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the >> document authors. All rights reserved. >>=20 >> This document is subject to BCP 78 = >> and the IETF Trust's Legal >> Provisions Relating to IETF Documents >> (https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info >> ) in effect on the date of >> publication of this document. Please review these documents >> carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with = respect >> to this document. Code Components extracted from this document = must >> include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of >> the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as >> described in the Simplified BSD License. >>=20 >>>=20 >>>> ietf-babel@2019-08-22.yang:208: warning: the module seems to use = RFC >>>> 2119 >>>> keywords, but the required text from RFC 8174 is not found (see = pyang >>>> --ietf-help for details). >>>=20 >>> This one seems legit as well. >>=20 >> Yes, it is missing the word =E2=80=9CNOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D. I will = add it. >=20 > Note that pyang just checks the module, not the draft. It asks you to > include the 8174 text in the module's description. It is included in > all "recently" published modules (that use 8174 language). See > e.g. RFC 8366. Ok. I have added the text in the module also. Cheers. >=20 > This recommendation is not included in RFC 8407, and I don't remember > the exact origin (perhaps Kent?), but it came out of the discussions > with the RFC editor. >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Wed Oct 16 03:52:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F711200B7; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cesnet.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9Oc3BtpRzGr; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office2.cesnet.cz (office2.cesnet.cz [IPv6:2001:718:1:101::144:244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C959120043; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pckrejci.nat9.vcit.vutbr.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:1220:80c:d0:552c:73a5:18da]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by office2.cesnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5FF78400052; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:52:00 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cesnet.cz; s=office2-2020; t=1571223120; bh=y6qJifVPAqwu1pSkFCl9acYKKoN/EcYiTHa0nNqGmUk=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=OjTIgBMlVvUqyTdGiUVShECVEhtZC9kGr4m2NWU2rodWwjEB3kYS6HuGqzNLIEG+v EPUu2vo83PrJ5JgcQWMbMW7jelUMWL4jCDsImaCH1vVlQNctY2eDw0cgC3XMjne0M7 t21eA//zI35+0cM8/+KYohWLW4Pz7M9Ll5hBh8+4WYkp/UyvjvFOcV/aGKskTWDGi3 /ZsSptaEs3VS7HsrwihIYJ/3GSIpXmBDFgzXp+uHs31UJpktBK902AgS09J/QBIMSs omSFPJhBJM60Csbuxgsm9A0JJegDb9kGWDCOg7HXTL8Jb9NqvzJCRY9as2tcWmLHlX SZ1FxkZj2RFtA== To: Mahesh Jethanandani Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org, draft-ietf-babel-yang-model.all@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org References: <157106166738.24700.11185508261809138396@ietfa.amsl.com> <3532A7A2-E9C2-43AA-A214-4E2AF5470251@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?UmFkZWsgS3JlasSNw60=?= Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rkrejci@cesnet.cz; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQGiBEKfHd4RBADDE8CtJpEtOraXBKfQg0KCRZu7BRALixoLqW98U+N9h+PJ+gCnFaKNmnYu fXWLYKTJRUlaoMGIJOZjHpr/zvwozSR+VJkxCsTyNYTF8vIfN3Iwrxy9e8CNy/O1GI50K/ld WWMDl+3M2NztiBFPrCT0b/U5ErsN7bTrf2XLEQRpZwCg95POGbJPqPAaaok2KU5e2u0/flsD /AyC0aRO66Ci0OGw0R5sCJmzZ5xE5eBUvfx0N0IC16aojrwRYM5yf+bULtBDd4wPI1R+VH/X P6OrDgzlDmutJthVtYfCcho3IhqnVo1R/UvJxjF3ATKbOnVHL4xwiLSrRDb6rKVyd1+Kc7cq +JABgFl+JP4xndytvvUXdVqhuSUFBACCDdDtxutkclBrvEp2guBIftuT4/oK3IWxgtevlGfY LZXwdD6pIWS1z6y6xthoFTsLWS1QCFk2ZXmAgvOV/lnW0iGHwO5kCfzvWJq7weeH2FGuBgq+ WInxhdIFD/QwiXV6EPUWzAoC5Fx4Cz5ySFSd6n0C1Mrzin3ABtPHRpUT8rQpUmFkZWsgS3Jl amNpIChDRVNORVQpIDxya3JlamNpQGNlc25ldC5jej6IYgQTEQIAIgUCTT/pkAIbAwYLCQgH AwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQIMoxClN+p/31DwCfWVWX1IWaUa6+QbuVvZQIkb6m Rn8AoLRvdANGe/As/Nxabu+KKtrorkQ6uQENBEKfHeIQBACwORs231u+o9/pM7y85ZlZhnNY iJziZ4P5W9lD5cwcEUFgTt1upUmjjSMWr5x4HL6o5jZeKOQMxiYP+8qA8OPEM6fzemS1Uj9M 6RXUaoUZFrcKD6BvneyyKuGgNa9bQfTG0aDOqaxy4lYFNcHVeo9sXJ+6adVxlCo/GzZ6zznn nwADBQP+IZQoao7aCFkZOVk8F5AW9Iiz0hk1trdCw88vD5fPMqcLxOQEsKrHAjibTWyOy1il 9zgLyVjcBzOs+v6UvbcJRybyaITC7j4IFPr78euVup/AeL+A9ay+ZWKHMFzALD+VjLyYAiRL w2MBjdqAKbPh2Ei1HXJoOX5JTWWnMRsBey+ISQQYEQIACQUCQp8d4gIbDAAKCRAgyjEKU36n /YssAKDVrEroZMSci018ipG4q6w11TsriwCghwCwX0isavqXJTbw10hwJePlDns= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:51:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3532A7A2-E9C2-43AA-A214-4E2AF5470251@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-03 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:52:07 -0000 Hi Mahesh, Dne 16. 10. 19 v 0:43 Mahesh Jethanandani napsal(a): >> The draft is well written with an informative overview of the YANG mod= ule >> sections. Maybe some set of example configuration data (some Appendix)= would be >> useful. > I am not sure of the ask. Could you elaborate? ahh, sorry, my fault - I have missed the appendixes - that actually alrea= dy contain exactly what I meant. >> Regarding the YANG module, I have just a few notes: >> >> - In multiple description texts, nodes are referenced by a path in for= mat with >> dashes (e.g. babel-mac-default-apply). This format is confusing especi= ally when >> some element in the path contains dash(es). Why the common format with= slashes >> is not used? > Ok. I can see that the text can be confusing. The text is from the info= rmation model (I-d.ietf-babel-information-model), where the name of the n= ode just happens to follow the path in the YANG model. I can modify the t= ext to use the node names in the YANG model itself. I would prefer it. For example the mentioned babel-mac-default-apply - if= you're not familiar with the tree, you don't know if to search for babel= /mac-default-apply, babel/mac/default-apply or babel/mac/default/apply no= de. >> - grouping routes >> - just think if the grouping is reusable - in the module itself, the = grouping >> is used just once and needless creation of groupings decrease module >> readability > It is a grouping so that it can be used with routing policy module. ok >> - babel/interfaces/metric-algorithm >> - the text "The value MUST be one of those listed in >> 'metric-comp-algorithm'." in description just duplicates the type's >> information (identityref with metric-comp-algorithms base). > How about if it says =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of those listed in = =E2=80=98metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=99 typedef.=E2=80=9D? I see no such typedef in the module (neither in the information model). T= his is probably again a confusion between information model and yang mode= l. If it refers to information model, I don't think it is a good idea, bu= t it should be at least explicitly stated. If it refers to the leaf's bas= e identity, I don't think that it is necessary to duplicate this informat= ion (but I'm not strongly against it, it just make me believe that actual= ly it is some additional restriction to the type itself), because there i= s already: type identityref { =C2=A0 base metric-comp-algorithms; } which also says that the value MUST be one of the identities based on met= ric-comp-algorithms. And technically, such identities can be added so the= possible values do not need to be listed in some text/list/typedef. If y= ou really want to limit the values to some static list, the type should b= e actually enumeration. >> - babel/interfaces/mac-key-sets >> - what does the babel-mac-key-sets in description refer to? > It now says: > > "List of references to the mac entries that apply > to this interface. When an interface instance is > created, all mac instances with default-apply 'true' > will be included in this list.=E2=80=9D perfect! >> - babel/interfaces/stats/reset >> - I'm confused, is it per-interface reset (as placed in the module) o= r >> system-wide interfaces stats reset (as information model defines it?)= =2E If it >> is the system-wide reset, why tha action cannot be placed in babel co= ntainer? > The action statement defines an operation connected to a specific conta= iner. What would it mean to have an action statement on the whole babel c= ontainer? Reset everything? but that is what the information model says, right? System-wide reset of = the stats.Or is the meaning different? > Even though the information model calls for a system-wide reset of stat= s, the model defines it at a per-interface level. It can be called recurs= ively for every interface instance to realize a system-wide reset of stat= s. that's what I miss in the action description. There is what the reset is = supposed to do by information model (system-wide reset) and that in YANG = the reset action has to be placed where the action needs to be performed.= So according to the description, the reset is in a wrong container becau= se to perform system-wide reset, it probably don't need to be performed i= n a specific interface, right? There is no word about intention to change= what the reset is supposed to do (reset of stats for the specific interf= ace). 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 18:30:41 -0000 [Trimming it down to open issues] >>>=20 >>> - the text "The value MUST be one of those listed in >>> 'metric-comp-algorithm'." in description just duplicates the type's >>> information (identityref with metric-comp-algorithms base). >> How about if it says =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of those listed = in =E2=80=98metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=99 typedef.=E2=80=9D? >=20 > I see no such typedef in the module (neither in the information = model). This is probably again a confusion between information model and = yang model. If it refers to information model, I don't think it is a = good idea, but it should be at least explicitly stated. If it refers to = the leaf's base identity, I don't think that it is necessary to = duplicate this information (but I'm not strongly against it, it just = make me believe that actually it is some additional restriction to the = type itself), because there is already: >=20 > type identityref { > base metric-comp-algorithms; > } >=20 > which also says that the value MUST be one of the identities based on = metric-comp-algorithms. And technically, such identities can be added so = the possible values do not need to be listed in some text/list/typedef. = If you really want to limit the values to some static list, the type = should be actually enumeration. How about we say just that, i.e. =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of the = identities based on metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=9D? >=20 >>> - babel/interfaces/stats/reset >>> - I'm confused, is it per-interface reset (as placed in the module) = or >>> system-wide interfaces stats reset (as information model defines = it?). If it >>> is the system-wide reset, why tha action cannot be placed in babel = container? >> The action statement defines an operation connected to a specific = container. What would it mean to have an action statement on the whole = babel container? Reset everything? >=20 > but that is what the information model says, right? System-wide reset = of the stats.Or is the meaning different? >=20 >> Even though the information model calls for a system-wide reset of = stats, the model defines it at a per-interface level. It can be called = recursively for every interface instance to realize a system-wide reset = of stats. >=20 > that's what I miss in the action description. There is what the reset = is supposed to do by information model (system-wide reset) and that in = YANG the reset action has to be placed where the action needs to be = performed. So according to the description, the reset is in a wrong = container because to perform system-wide reset, it probably don't need = to be performed in a specific interface, right? There is no word about = intention to change what the reset is supposed to do (reset of stats for = the specific interface). Ok. How about this text? The information model [RFC ZZZZ] defines reset action as a system-wide reset of Babel statistics. In YANG the reset action is associated with container where the action is defined. In this case the action is associated with the interfaces container, so the action will reset statistics at an interface level.=20 Implementations that want to support a system-wide reset of Babel statistics need to call this action for every instance of the interface. Thanks. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 08:06:51 -0000 Dne 16. 10. 19 v 20:30 Mahesh Jethanandani napsal(a): > [Trimming it down to open issues] > >>>> - the text "The value MUST be one of those listed in >>>> 'metric-comp-algorithm'." in description just duplicates the type's >>>> information (identityref with metric-comp-algorithms base). >>> How about if it says =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of those listed i= n =E2=80=98metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=99 typedef.=E2=80=9D? >> I see no such typedef in the module (neither in the information model)= =2E This is probably again a confusion between information model and yang= model. If it refers to information model, I don't think it is a good ide= a, but it should be at least explicitly stated. If it refers to the leaf'= s base identity, I don't think that it is necessary to duplicate this inf= ormation (but I'm not strongly against it, it just make me believe that a= ctually it is some additional restriction to the type itself), because th= ere is already: >> >> type identityref { >> base metric-comp-algorithms; >> } >> >> which also says that the value MUST be one of the identities based on = metric-comp-algorithms. And technically, such identities can be added so = the possible values do not need to be listed in some text/list/typedef. I= f you really want to limit the values to some static list, the type shoul= d be actually enumeration. > How about we say just that, i.e. =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of the = identities based on metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=9D? my point from the beginning is that it is actually duplicated information= =2E The leaf specification can be read as: leaf metric-algorithm { =C2=A0 type:=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of the identities based= on metric-comp-algorithms=E2=80=9D; =C2=A0 it is mandatory; =C2=A0 description:=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C... The value MUST be one of the ident= ities based on metric-comp-algorithms=E2=80=9D; } So I don't think that it is necessary to have that sentence in the descri= ption text at all. I've looked at the model again and I've realized, that there is actually = babel/metric-comp-algorithms leaf-list. So despite the model defines set = of identities, the server is actually allowed to implement just a subset = of them, right? Maybe the intention of the description was to require the= value to be one of the values of the leaf-list. Confusion is caused by n= aming - identity as well as the leaf-list have the same name and it is re= ferenced in the text as metric-comp-algorithm. I see that you cannot use = leafref from configuration to state data. So, I see 2 options. First, the= sentence in the description should be: "The value MUST be one of those listed by server as babel/metric-comp-alg= orithms leaf-list." or, and I think this is the right solution, remove the babel/metric-comp-= algorithms leaf-list and create features for each (there are 2) metric-co= mp-algorithms identity (add if-feature into them) so the server can say v= ia YANG features mechanism which identities are actually implemented. The= n the value of the metric-algorithm leaf will be limited to the metric-co= mp-algorithms identities with the feature enabled by the server. > >> >>>> - babel/interfaces/stats/reset >>>> - I'm confused, is it per-interface reset (as placed in the module) = or >>>> system-wide interfaces stats reset (as information model defines it?= ). If it >>>> is the system-wide reset, why tha action cannot be placed in babel c= ontainer? >>> The action statement defines an operation connected to a specific con= tainer. What would it mean to have an action statement on the whole babel= container? Reset everything? >> but that is what the information model says, right? System-wide reset = of the stats.Or is the meaning different? >> >>> Even though the information model calls for a system-wide reset of st= ats, the model defines it at a per-interface level. It can be called recu= rsively for every interface instance to realize a system-wide reset of st= ats. >> that's what I miss in the action description. There is what the reset = is supposed to do by information model (system-wide reset) and that in YA= NG the reset action has to be placed where the action needs to be perform= ed. So according to the description, the reset is in a wrong container be= cause to perform system-wide reset, it probably don't need to be performe= d in a specific interface, right? There is no word about intention to cha= nge what the reset is supposed to do (reset of stats for the specific int= erface). > Ok. How about this text? > > The information model [RFC ZZZZ] defines reset > action as a system-wide reset of Babel statistics. > In YANG the reset action is associated with > container where the action is defined. In this case > the action is associated with the interfaces > container, so the action will reset statistics at an > interface level.=20 > > Implementations that want to support a system-wide > reset of Babel statistics need to call this action > for every instance of the interface. Perfect, thanks! 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<359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC01B348C8C1@marathon> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:22:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: Roman Danyliw Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , "babel-chairs@ietf.org" , The IESG , "babel@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-babel-hmac@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-babel-hmac-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:23:01 -0000 Hi Roman, Thanks for clearing your DISCUSS. Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 3:11 PM Roman Danyliw wrote: > > Hello Juliusz! > > My apologizes for the long delay. Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS po= ints with the updated -08 and the discussion. I've cleared my ballot. > > Roman > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Juliusz Chroboczek [mailto:jch@irif.fr] > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 6:53 PM > > To: Roman Danyliw > > Cc: Donald Eastlake ; babel-chairs@ietf.org; The IESG > > ; babel@ietf.org; draft-ietf-babel-hmac@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-babel-hmac-08: (with > > DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > > > > Ah, I see it now in Section 4.3 Thanks for the pointer. This text > > > explains the issues of around keys processing. I couldn't explicitly > > > find text explaining when multiple HMAC TLVs should be sent. Where > > > should I be looking? > > > > Section 5 (key rotation), formerly Appendix A: > > > > In order to perform key rotation, the new key is added to all the > > nodes; once this is done, both the old and the new key are sent in > > all packets, and packets are accepted if they are properly signed by > > either of the keys. At that point, the old key is removed. > > > > >> I'm leaving this sentence as is -- after trying it out, I don't thin= k > > >> that mentioning the small amount of state caused by reception of a > > >> UDP packet (an ND entry) is informative. > > > > > I'm not tracking. "Whatsoever" is an absolute statement. By all > > > means caveat the sentence by saying no local Babel state (or somethin= g > > > to that effect). > > > > Done. > > > > >>> (8) Section 1. Per the =E2=80=9Cspoof of a malformed packet=E2=80= =9D, how would an > > >>> HMAC address this? Even assuming that a node discards the message > > >>> without processing if the HMAC is bad, this would still be a proble= m > > >>> from a malicious peer. > > > > >> Please explain. > > > > > The initial situation I had in mind was if there was a compromised > > > Babel node. It will have the key to produce a valid HMAC on the > > > crafted packet to cause the peer Babel node to process the packet. > > > > Yes, this protocol assumes that only honest nodes know the secret key. = We > > make no guarantees, not even of any kind, if you've lost your keys. > > > > > Another situation which would not involve a malicious Babel node with > > > the key is a node running a buggy Babel implementation. Imagine this > > > implementation has some kind of (buffer overflow) vulnerability in th= e > > > routines which parses the packet payload to find the HMAC TLV. In th= e > > > worst circumstance, this could hypothetically compromise the Babel > > > node even before the code to verified HMAC and choose to discard the > > > packet or not is made. > > > > Yes, it could. > > > > That is the reason why HMAC keys sit in the packet trailer rather than = in the > > packet body: you may use a simplified parser that is only able to parse= the > > packet trailer. This parser does not modify any global state, it does = not > > modify the packet (there's no need to clear the MAC before recomputing = it), > > and it just returns one bit of information. You are expected to vet th= is > > specialised parser very carefully, or even run it out-of-process. > > > > This was debated by the WG; however, once both Toke (BIRD) and Weronika > > and Clara (babeld) had implemented parsing the packet trailer, we agree= d > > that this approach makes the implementation much simpler and less error= - > > prone. > > > > -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Oct 17 13:30:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A0912082B; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2E9KiESd03Lh; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x12d.google.com (mail-il1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7803E120241; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id u1so3380550ilq.12; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:30:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CVzGnX+N/rADjzlgvtDFbIqN4i6WBzRX9UiVWsCLDOI=; b=Vx2aX0g4r1rocn/nrZ3oty7im38ZPD5pLda9l9NmGjT5pPhZvePh5Z3jppxB72NYgZ wZpoaA1uyBFAmNPBwK4so4yynKUWqkPWLUxb+Mkzogsvitln/tM27PUc2+Akgb9mlWrC J6jpW5Ko9NOl4GV9mDBn13ttiT2hCeAtiCexOJC7FDOOVik7DkMc+yvonEQDGu3jjNZ7 sUYKbU2IZhOzS7IAHAi53iTrZZKHtI6y5k9Aabxl55q7v+3jNRxncvzIhDugXZIlns46 pIJaFgBJQs5GO8UiARUtuLH6ce/IhgAsRsTi6qT6/2JeEK6UNt5C1zQ7bQPNDgI1uAFg kYYg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CVzGnX+N/rADjzlgvtDFbIqN4i6WBzRX9UiVWsCLDOI=; b=Ziva8AZ6CQyEVUmLnRVXc5u3z1bxsnKuTA0Vr/kVPLwyo1syM+w4vD++JWxiLA0Sv7 NxCCuExpkm2PcQizeTpuE0hvajYtMrrs/9gHDB0I2GXh/8ZuKWPXwawCSSUCyqSdICod 4pRQQsnxpeRA2MpsWHZDQiUqAXL93ErW27uwrK7FcOi7vVaf6+lRodZXkAiRZDf3jGQp 7L69wsHG95627z2m7fxRGLV2e8GRCXij09FBl9wZf6YP5zVS9S+V0NAKBsMe3uWF3Gdw K0sa5xSk+AcxDYFf0gQrZFp7ZLGvquT7Q48/VLviG3Bjy0OOoe6ApFDge2JMkh1IS1ul QSbw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUBy6k5br7z8pLBUUDdlmXDUMFx8y/KKmVdxakzwkwBgAosw/My 6KSlL/8ZHw8+xtVpfHIHZQfacbG58weqRG5HjiRoVQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyAk2yeUN1BJi3yAtUOsPlF9HyoWUrYFksvtJ6wWEyxDCPVyM6BDLRAYAc6pF3d/hJwwlNU8m+lwcqC/02jm5A= X-Received: by 2002:a92:38c9:: with SMTP id g70mr6301567ilf.83.1571344207214; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:30:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Cc: babel-chairs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Call for Presentations to BABEL WG meeting at IETF Nobember meeting X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:33:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D8F84213-6063-446D-895C-3C21BCCBF20E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 [Trimming the list further down] > On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:06 AM, Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD = wrote: >=20 > Dne 16. 10. 19 v 20:30 Mahesh Jethanandani napsal(a): >> [Trimming it down to open issues] >>=20 >>>>> - the text "The value MUST be one of those listed in >>>>> 'metric-comp-algorithm'." in description just duplicates the = type's >>>>> information (identityref with metric-comp-algorithms base). >>>> How about if it says =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of those listed = in =E2=80=98metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=99 typedef.=E2=80=9D? >>> I see no such typedef in the module (neither in the information = model). This is probably again a confusion between information model and = yang model. If it refers to information model, I don't think it is a = good idea, but it should be at least explicitly stated. If it refers to = the leaf's base identity, I don't think that it is necessary to = duplicate this information (but I'm not strongly against it, it just = make me believe that actually it is some additional restriction to the = type itself), because there is already: >>>=20 >>> type identityref { >>> base metric-comp-algorithms; >>> } >>>=20 >>> which also says that the value MUST be one of the identities based = on metric-comp-algorithms. And technically, such identities can be added = so the possible values do not need to be listed in some = text/list/typedef. If you really want to limit the values to some static = list, the type should be actually enumeration. >> How about we say just that, i.e. =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of = the identities based on metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=9D? >=20 > my point from the beginning is that it is actually duplicated = information. The leaf specification can be read as: >=20 > leaf metric-algorithm { > type: =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of the identities based on = metric-comp-algorithms=E2=80=9D; > it is mandatory; > description: =E2=80=9C... The value MUST be one of the identities = based on metric-comp-algorithms=E2=80=9D; > } >=20 > So I don't think that it is necessary to have that sentence in the = description text at all. >=20 > I've looked at the model again and I've realized, that there is = actually babel/metric-comp-algorithms leaf-list. So despite the model = defines set of identities, the server is actually allowed to implement = just a subset of them, right? Maybe the intention of the description was = to require the value to be one of the values of the leaf-list. Confusion = is caused by naming - identity as well as the leaf-list have the same = name and it is referenced in the text as metric-comp-algorithm. I see = that you cannot use leafref from configuration to state data. So, I see = 2 options. First, the sentence in the description should be: >=20 > "The value MUST be one of those listed by server as = babel/metric-comp-algorithms leaf-list." >=20 > or, and I think this is the right solution, remove the = babel/metric-comp-algorithms leaf-list and create features for each = (there are 2) metric-comp-algorithms identity (add if-feature into them) = so the server can say via YANG features mechanism which identities are = actually implemented. Then the value of the metric-algorithm leaf will = be limited to the metric-comp-algorithms identities with the feature = enabled by the server. I am ok with the second option.=20 Except I do not know why pyang complains about this. identity two-out-of-three { if-feature two-out-of-three-supported; base "metric-comp-algorithms"; description "2-out-of-3 algorithm."; } identity etx { if-feature etx-supported; base "metric-comp-algorithms"; description "Expected Transmission Count."; } yang/ietf-babel@2019-10-17.yang:88: error: keyword "base" not in = canonical order (see RFC 6020, Section 12) yang/ietf-babel@2019-10-17.yang:95: error: keyword "base" not in = canonical order (see RFC 6020, Section 12) Where the ABNF grammar says: identity-stmt =3D identity-keyword sep identifier-arg-str = optsep (";" / "{" stmtsep ;; these stmts can appear in any order *if-feature-stmt *base-stmt [status-stmt] [description-stmt] [reference-stmt] "}") stmtsep Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_D8F84213-6063-446D-895C-3C21BCCBF20E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 [Trimming the list further down]

On Oct = 17, 2019, at 1:06 AM, Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD <rkrejci@cesnet.cz> = wrote:

Dne 16. 10. 19 v 20:30 Mahesh = Jethanandani napsal(a):
[Trimming it down to open issues]

- the = text "The value MUST be one of those listed in
'metric-comp-algorithm'." in description just duplicates the = type's
information (identityref with = metric-comp-algorithms base).
How about if it = says =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of those listed in = =E2=80=98metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=99 typedef.=E2=80=9D?
I see no such typedef in the module (neither in = the information model). This is probably again a confusion between = information model and yang model. If it refers to information model, I = don't think it is a good idea, but it should be at least explicitly = stated. If it refers to the leaf's base identity, I don't think that it = is necessary to duplicate this information (but I'm not strongly against = it, it just make me believe that actually it is some additional = restriction to the type itself), because there is already:

type identityref {
 base = metric-comp-algorithms;
}

which= also says that the value MUST be one of the identities based on = metric-comp-algorithms. And technically, such identities can be added so = the possible values do not need to be listed in some text/list/typedef. = If you really want to limit the values to some static list, the type = should be actually enumeration.
How about we = say just that, i.e. =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of the identities = based on metric-comp-algorithm=E2=80=9D?

my point from the beginning is = that it is actually duplicated information. The leaf specification can = be read as:

leaf = metric-algorithm {
  type:  =E2=80=9CThe value MUST be one of the = identities based on metric-comp-algorithms=E2=80=9D;
  it is = mandatory;
  = description:  =E2=80=9C... The value MUST be one of the identities = based on metric-comp-algorithms=E2=80=9D;
}

So I don't = think that it is necessary to have that sentence in the description text = at all.

I've looked = at the model again and I've realized, that there is actually = babel/metric-comp-algorithms leaf-list. So despite the model defines set = of identities, the server is actually allowed to implement just a subset = of them, right? Maybe the intention of the description was to require = the value to be one of the values of the leaf-list. Confusion is caused = by naming - identity as well as the leaf-list have the same name and it = is referenced in the text as metric-comp-algorithm. I see that you = cannot use leafref from configuration to state data. So, I see 2 = options. First, the sentence in the description should be:

"The value MUST be one of those = listed by server as babel/metric-comp-algorithms leaf-list."

or, and I think this is the = right solution, remove the babel/metric-comp-algorithms leaf-list and = create features for each (there are 2) metric-comp-algorithms identity = (add if-feature into them) so the server can say via YANG features = mechanism which identities are actually implemented. Then the value of = the metric-algorithm leaf will be limited to the metric-comp-algorithms = identities with the feature enabled by the server.

I am ok with the = second option. 

Except I do not = know why pyang complains about this.

  identity two-out-of-three = {
    if-feature = two-out-of-three-supported;
    base = "metric-comp-algorithms";
    = description
      "2-out-of-3 = algorithm.";
  }

 = identity etx {
    if-feature = etx-supported;
    base = "metric-comp-algorithms";
    = description
      "Expected Transmission = Count.";
  }

yang/ietf-babel@2019-10-17.yang:88: error: keyword "base" = not in canonical order (see RFC 6020, Section 12)
yang/ietf-babel@2019-10-17.yang:95: error: keyword "base" = not in canonical order (see RFC 6020, Section 12)

Where the ABNF grammar says:

   identity-stmt =
      =3D identity-keyword sep identifier-arg-str optsep
                         (";" /
                          "{" stmtsep
                              ;; these stmts can appear in any order
                              *if-feature-stmt
                              *base-stmt
                              [status-stmt]
                              [description-stmt]
                              [reference-stmt]
                          "}") stmtsep


Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



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X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5DA9E6E0.003 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5DA9E6E0.003 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:23:04 -0000 Dear Alvaro, Unless I'm mistaken, I have not received a reply to my mail of 21 August. Thus, I have no idea whether you found my explanation of the issues related to route oscillation convincing. I have just added the following appendix to the document, and referred to it in the (normative) section about route selection. Please let me know if it satisfies you, and if it does not, please explain what more you would like me to do. A.4. Route selection Route selection (Section 3.6) is the process by which a node selects a single route among the routes it has available towards a given destination. With Babel, any route selection procedure that only ever chooses feasible routes with a finite metric will yield a set of loop-free routes; however, not all route selection policies will yield good reasults. The obvious route selection procedure is to pick, for every destination, the feasible route with minimal metric. When all metrics are stable, this strategy leads to convergence to a tree of shortest paths (assuming the metric is left-distributive). There are two reasons, however, why this strategy leads to instability in the presence of continously varying metrics such as ETX (Appendix A.2.2). First, if two parallel routes oscillate around a common value, then the smallest metric strategy will keep switching between one and the other. Second, when a route is selected, congestion along it increases, which may increase packet loss, which in turn causes its metric to increase; this is a feedback loop, of the kind that is prone to cause persistent oscillations. A simple strategy to avoid this kind of instabilities is to only switch routes when the target route's metric is smaller by some constant K than the currently selected metric. However, this approach is difficult to tune well: if K is too small, then it fails to avoid oscillations, and if it is too large, then it leads to sub- optimal routing. A better strategy is to apply hysteresis (sensitivity to a route's history) to the route selection algorithm. The following hysteresis algorithm appears to yield good results with a variety of metrics. For every route R, in addition to the route's metric m(R) maintain a smoothed version of m(R) written ms(R) (we suggest computing ms(R) as an exponential average of m(R) with a time constant proportional to the Hello interval). If no route to a given destination is selected, then select the route with the smallest metric, ignoring the smoothed metric. If a route R is selected, then switch to a route R' only when both m(R') X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFA812002E; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fitr4T745rkN; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D7E212000F; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id x9IGkA0I019257; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:46:10 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9605C896F; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:46:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id lsUAFIIWVlpw; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:46:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lanthane.irif.fr (unknown [172.23.36.89]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F7C3C896D; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:46:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:46:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87imomknn0.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Mirja Kuehlewind Cc: draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com, babel-chairs@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org, The IESG In-Reply-To: <0C555879-5AF3-487F-A65D-95918A546783@kuehlewind.net> References: <156517737995.8257.5538554979559246700.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <877e7m8b88.wl-jch@irif.fr> <1A2B2C1B-1536-4E75-A8D7-C5612FB8AEDA@kuehlewind.net> <87imqzu1vc.wl-jch@irif.fr> <0C555879-5AF3-487F-A65D-95918A546783@kuehlewind.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:46:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5DA9EC52.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5DA9EC52.002 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5DA9EC52.002 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mirja_K=FChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ie?= =?iso-8859-1?q?tf-babel-rfc6126bis-12=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:46:19 -0000 Dear Mirja, > 1) Let's move appendix B into the body of the document. I think these > are important information for an implementer and therefore it needs more > attention. I am sorry, but I disagree. The original document that I submitted for IETF review back in 2009 had the structure that you suggest, but the reviewer (Joel Halpern) convinced me to a adopt the following structure: - the body of the document describes the main algorithm, the parts that are required to enforce the strong guarantees that the protocol makes about lack of loops and forward progress; - the appendices describe algorithms that have been shown to be useful over some link layers but that might need to be tweaked when Babel is run over new, exciting link layers. Since Joel did a good job convincing me, it will take some work to convince me otherwise. > 2) Maybe you can add something like: [...] I’m sure you have a better > wording. My intention is simply to add another warning, to think > carefully instead of just pick some default. I don't necessarily agree, but I've done as you request. >>> Thanks. I was also hoping that you could make any recommendation on how >>> to implement that e.g. a fixed delay of a certain (default) value or >>> based on some other knowledge. [...] >> You do realise it's a very high bar you're setting? [...] > I wasn’t looking for a tutorial for pacing but rather a reference to > add. E.g. just naming different approaches for how to implement pacing > and provide a reference would be a good thing I think. However, I will > not block on this one thing. Your choice. I am not aware of any good reference on packet pacing that covers IEEE 802.11 multicast (an important usecase for Babel). After checking some papers and scratching my head for a long time, I've just added another sentence to Section 3.1; I'm afraid I'm not competent to do anything more. > I just wondering why you don’t call them default value rather then > examples. I think specifying default value normatively would be more > clear and is what we usually do in specs. However, I think in this case > it will not make a huge practical difference. Great, let's agree that we're not in full agreement, then. -- Juliusz From nobody Fri Oct 18 12:23:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4760120827; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:23:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.106.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <157142660257.3990.227266966305116473@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:23:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-15.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:23:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : The Babel Routing Protocol Authors : Juliusz Chroboczek David Schinazi Filename : draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-15.txt Pages : 69 Date : 2019-10-18 Abstract: Babel is a loop-avoiding distance-vector routing protocol that is robust and efficient both in ordinary wired networks and in wireless mesh networks. This document describes the Babel routing protocol, and obsoletes RFCs 6126 and 7557. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-15 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5DAA125E.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5DAA125E.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Alissa Cooper's Abstain on draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:28:43 -0000 Dear Alyssa, > Part of the response to my DISCUSS argued that making this specification comply > with BCP 61 would harm the reputation of the IETF. I believe you may be putting words into my mouth. I merely argued that providing high-quality, secure implementations to our users and convincing them to deploy the security mechanisms is a better way to advance than to put an MTI requirement in the protocol specification, and politely requested that this document be allowed to advance without an MTI requirement. I have reworked the security considerations to make a stronger recommendation albeit without using normative language. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 20:42:57 -0000 This version of the draft address comments raised as part of YANG = doctors review. Comments are welcome. Cheers. > On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:34 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the = IETF. >=20 > Title : YANG Data Model for Babel > Authors : Mahesh Jethanandani > Barbara Stark > Filename : draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-04.txt > Pages : 38 > Date : 2019-10-18 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a data model for the Babel routing protocol. > The data model is defined using the YANG data modeling language. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-04 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-babel-yang-model-04 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Fri Oct 18 15:17:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D61212008B; 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Call for Presentations to BABEL WG meeting at IETF Nobember meeting X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:04:21 -0000 The Babel Meeting at the November IETF meeting in Singapore has been tentatively scheduled for Tuesday afternoon, November 19th, 17:10 to 18:40. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 4:29 PM Donald Eastlake wrote: > > Hi, > > I have requested a time slot for BABEL at the November IETF meeting in > Singapore (18-22 November). If you would like to present, please post > to this email list or contact the Chairs. > > Thanks, > Donald (BABEL Co-Chair) > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Fri Oct 25 14:13:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606F0120993; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157203792438.2724.10167759260441209440.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:12:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] babel - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 106 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:12:08 -0000 Dear Donald Eastlake, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. babel Session 1 (1:00 requested) Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Afternoon Session I 1330-1500 Room Name: VIP A size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/sessions/babel.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Babel routing protocol Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Donald Eastlake Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 21 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: bess idr rtgwg nvo3 Technology Overlap: homenet manet rtgarea Key Participant Conflict: netconf netmod People who must be present: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd Russ White Martin Vigoureux Resources Requested: Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------