From nobody Tue Sep 1 14:28:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9403A10FF; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:28:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pMM8fax5Vr5l; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com (mail-il1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C293A10FD; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id b17so2977033ilh.4; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VDv44kLzsohI7k9fLHOQmOrP3ExpLBfqZxLD9foyiAM=; b=JuTyAIklXB6N60JLfpniklfUO09YgiEUrnAoAXniGxdhkGqo/F2LWtkndu8e6N5BQh 0CBIUe4o5N1b/Abu7sy8L+tWuBthDsYf/1O+tpQJ7ggrgxVvm72dEMJNerBLGTkPGhKL LMzlobuqv9wn07DP4cLenooRHHAfNwNEl1eQxDYv3dtSUTRnan2MZiCG16mruGSei3m4 8twmGLQmunGLSsCyG1khz1beLlang6Vw7+mZz5sk5wcLdmI0go1MxuDFRUl8m7jY9G1c xBFHi1yT2CI/yvC0gYDaKJtkWo80U5/OMMPxrN1R5uzFFSED0lxBejWcDHNZF1GvYKQI u44Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VDv44kLzsohI7k9fLHOQmOrP3ExpLBfqZxLD9foyiAM=; b=dpgujinEBZM7g50uH19NbmQbXyS0n9f/jD9gOiWNvA94HGoFO+7Fy6BzLdZDCirXlU Egn7C03HPKWrGW4phqJxzLyf5TetML21QlrlFLn0/Hek0teTiQBHOPjfg4AjNHOmme95 waO+LTN22XoQdscGbFVDPwrQfeu2dQGZcgXMKIn09myrxNr/NFSdTZ0y7onVwYCO2zgT BJVH6ou0pNng8D4VDE8LRdYpwpmbucjlpTJnZWa/Hc29RCq6/PoUin3d6IbLNkwRNAok L8hk6nTKO6sgxAHz3oY2ic4F8ptR9ZFo7ApVY7oDRfZYfDMLTX+xxf0oSdYicRU+zWpa 00EA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530IPzaup8PLzUpMBYEED/cJKKx6maBuJJrzyEmozS9ZGdVuZsck Z2lq5d3+ewJIgY1i6rPbGNWeog6dpN3n3pF+/jCwnR4g X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw8CiF8IJwKoCfDni7mE+Al5i8UO98X+BNHPsZINVCH9qqv04XNX4qMO3N0we3lYXXcPfJA6lT0I5HZ0zDPrUI= X-Received: by 2002:a92:2c0e:: with SMTP id t14mr305536ile.199.1598995687165; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:28:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 17:27:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Cc: babel-chairs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [babel] WG adoption call for draft-bastian-babel-v4ov6 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Tue Sep 1 15:14:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BF93A112C; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 15:14:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Np_DrINw6FZg; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 15:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08E023A082D; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 15:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id w11so1680943lfn.2; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 15:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LBuvsZFWHmMD0VJVAZfJEabzrzUb7zmToEx0HlP0xbQ=; b=XFABk+trU9wsPEwghKitOADSwLTxURCI7XQFTfIFvhiT/ILmzXy01s2lTzTgiL4WYR kL6CFtV+hz2kUMD10CfGYRExQQ9wkPeOLyqkgrsLJF5xRxiK60BJHM6ajfKmDPYZv+aa A+8Z+oXBKNR2OsuQOktXbFVRYJ1vZ9teu7S3Noxrc9jf50N5ueWBB8+tSdkseqQ5pBe6 HOCHqWlpmNkNTghEQ/B/+Zb0mtgbEBJTByN2mLkTPj2eVsvaHA+CJ3SYvBA6TLdEeJth pzznVbUzB2y5duXEocG81enARnpBAWuJinN97j6PsKG1gMGsb79hUnPsS7NRy9Yyh4Xm cSmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LBuvsZFWHmMD0VJVAZfJEabzrzUb7zmToEx0HlP0xbQ=; b=cmg9OZE3p6uJvGR45X4qnvTw4iQy+CHAf7p6zIwCP44FpfHCZNuk5SbXqnY3MYGUk4 bK8zVitE98u1ZkLBi55hgTHt473IR1Vdw/u1CYpikyZ7RzhG6uVxeUPz1DusDNS/KZun GNYCh1LK2e9tOAn7npdsCFK8diS9dNy5Gs7MCI+ahzX0RwzP0JnDkOg8lacE/wW4iysC aosv3euN6Mak6ufCSDHNiUOsOoFsEBHHOWK/0cbTh/ntiN0veuHJB6tGMKVi9JS+2vIe dV/W+e70cRWOkGwn8czhJdUFNfaIWSVP7qvk16i8FQycf64YbL13yqAkHOzUqqWnNMC3 CNPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532rBEHw8pYHA0z1801jFyWGN7x9P58LL0TIdvkjXfFLtP+uUooH HAI5S9DNIlondSxSziBUurerQ3oWEpzy3OlooGc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzgKCQW1BVpIrYiU9vPoEaT05603XjM2KZDm9Nl1QIlk5A5IthQCMr2T2MDRkrN0tlSIaj170Ib/KFyRYPWDd4= X-Received: by 2002:a19:8001:: with SMTP id b1mr271291lfd.122.1598998485986; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 15:14:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: David Schinazi Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 15:14:35 -0700 Message-ID: To: Donald Eastlake Cc: Babel at IETF , babel-chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c0f34b05ae47d8a8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] WG adoption call for draft-bastian-babel-v4ov6 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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I support adoption.

David
On Tue, = Sep 1, 2020 at 2:28 PM Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

There seems to be substantial interest in and support for this draft
so I'm issuing a call for WG adoption through September 15th. Please indicate whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the
Babel WG.

Thanks,
Donald
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 12:45:48 -0000 > There seems to be substantial interest in and support for this draft > so I'm issuing a call for WG adoption through September 15th. Please > indicate whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the > Babel WG. >=20 > Thanks, > Donald I did a quick read-through of the draft and support adopting it.=20 Thx, Barbara From nobody Wed Sep 2 05:50:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9543A0C68 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 05:50:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.146 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.146 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.948, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ens.fr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qf10J4SMWX9S for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 05:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA62C3A0C54 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 05:50:42 -0700 (PDT) X-ENS-nef-client: 129.199.1.22 ( name = clipper-gw.ens.fr ) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ens.fr; s=default; t=1599051040; bh=j7LKZGyqQhA+TBqQOShCeee121BZxGeiGcZGbeHssFk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=NEBxgm5VdQm3nLnj0IWxl33zB1CfiOQe3/B1IKYsHW8cT+2fwCuV2Xy14hp3hcnm9 uisqsCy109aXncgunzOI3uEVFjIyLmLMm02e/G9Rzyv1Qsi4Hy6wrCnEsIr1Xy4yXM BMMrSLavXq1tSg/IpnV76GVM0nCiBsKuvJ3PvrKQ= Received: from clipper.ens.fr (clipper-gw.ens.fr [129.199.1.22]) by nef.ens.fr (8.14.4/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id 082Coe84026984 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:50:40 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.14] using smtps by clipper.ens.fr (8.14.4/jb-1.1) id 082Codlp031273 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:50:40 +0200 (authenticated user tbastian) X-ENS-Received: (91-160-99-187.subs.proxad.net [91.160.99.187]) X-Envelope-To: To: babel@ietf.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Th=c3=a9ophile_Bastian?= Message-ID: <5d6468f5-e6e7-7ac0-f4ad-47da3b5b4c44@ens.fr> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:50:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US-large Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Wed, 02 Sep 2020 14:50:40 +0200 (CEST) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] WG adoption call for draft-bastian-babel-v4ov6 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 12:50:45 -0000 Hi everyone, > There seems to be substantial interest in and support for this draft > so I'm issuing a call for WG adoption through September 15th. Please > indicate whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the > Babel WG. Being an author, I don't know if I'm supposed to vote, but I also support adoption. -- Théophile Bastian From nobody Wed Sep 2 06:36:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEC43A0D58; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 06:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y5fWxs9VxgEa; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03E3A3A0D55; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 06:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049462.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049462.ppops.net-00191d01. 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babel-chairs@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159914398447.30419.3751920010328413184@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 07:39:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Document Action: 'Applicability of the Babel routing protocol' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-babel-applicability-10.txt) X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 14:39:45 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Applicability of the Babel routing protocol' (draft-ietf-babel-applicability-10.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Babel routing protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Deborah Brungard and Martin Vigoureux. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-applicability/ Technical Summary Babel is a routing protocol based on the distance-vector algorithm augmented with mechanisms for loop avoidance and starvation avoidance. This applicability document argues that there exist niches where Babel is useful and that are not adequately served by other protocols. Working Group Summary This was not a particularly controversial draft in the WG. There was substantial suport and no objection on the mailing list and consensus was declared during the WG meeting at IETF-102. Document Quality This is a brief applicability document. There are multiple independent interoperable implementation of the routing protocol which is its subject. A Shepherd's review found only one minor typo that has been fixed. Personnel Document Shepherd: Donald Eastlake Responsible Area Director: Martin Vigoureux From nobody Thu Sep 3 07:41:47 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FF83A0E22; Thu, 3 Sep 2020 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.15.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, Donald Eastlake , draft-ietf-babel-dtls@ietf.org, The IESG , d3e3e3@gmail.com, babel@ietf.org, babel-chairs@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159914410540.16068.15827584861693583598@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 07:41:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Protocol Action: 'Babel Routing Protocol over Datagram Transport Layer Security' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-babel-dtls-10.txt) X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 14:41:45 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Babel Routing Protocol over Datagram Transport Layer Security' (draft-ietf-babel-dtls-10.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Babel routing protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Deborah Brungard and Martin Vigoureux. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-dtls/ Technical Summary The Babel Routing Protocol does not contain any means to authenticate neighbours or protect messages sent between them. This documents specifies a mechanism to ensure these properties, using Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS). Working Group Summary There was a clear consensus in favor of the document. There was no opposition except for one participant who changed to support. Document Quality The document is of good quality and has had a reasonable variety of reviews with comments resolved to the satisfaction of the reviewers. Personnel Document Shepherd: Donald Eastlake Responsible Area Director: Martin Vigoureux From nobody Thu Sep 3 07:44:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963003A0E2C; Thu, 3 Sep 2020 07:44:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.15.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, d3e3e3@gmail.com, babel-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, The IESG , Donald Eastlake MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159914427759.19540.16228456868120837782@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 07:44:37 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Protocol Action: 'The Babel Routing Protocol' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-20.txt) X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 14:44:38 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'The Babel Routing Protocol' (draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis-20.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Babel routing protocol Working Group. This IETF Stream document obsoletes an Independent Stream document. That step has been agreed by the Independent Stream Editor. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Deborah Brungard and Martin Vigoureux. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis/ Technical Summary Babel is a loop-avoiding distance-vector routing protocol that is designed to be robust and efficient both in networks using prefix- based routing and in networks using flat routing ("mesh networks"), and both in relatively stable wired networks and in highly dynamic wireless networks. This document describes the Babel routing protocol, and obsoletes RFCs 6126 and 7557 Working Group Summary Nothing of note -- all WG discussions over the changes between 6126 and 6126bis were resolved. Document Quality The document is of good quality. There are multiple implementations. Also, there are RFC 6126 implementations not yet updated but experience has shown these are easily updated to rfc6126bis. Personnel Donald Eastlake is shepherd Martin Vigoureux is the responsible area director From nobody Fri Sep 4 17:22:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9393F3A0E1B; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 17:22:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: babel@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.15.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel@ietf.org Message-ID: <159926533556.24459.5280137644133625770@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 17:22:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-hmac-12.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 00:22:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. Title : MAC authentication for the Babel routing protocol Authors : Clara Do Weronika Kolodziejak Juliusz Chroboczek Filename : draft-ietf-babel-hmac-12.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2020-09-04 Abstract: This document describes a cryptographic authentication mechanism for the Babel routing protocol that has provisions for replay avoidance. This document obsoletes RFC 7298. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-hmac/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-hmac-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-hmac-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-hmac-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Sep 8 09:32:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759993A07F6; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.15.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, d3e3e3@gmail.com, The IESG , babel@ietf.org, babel-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-babel-hmac@ietf.org, Donald Eastlake , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159958274945.15648.2373709074130068805@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:32:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Protocol Action: 'MAC authentication for the Babel routing protocol' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-babel-hmac-12.txt) X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:32:30 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'MAC authentication for the Babel routing protocol' (draft-ietf-babel-hmac-12.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Babel routing protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Deborah Brungard and Martin Vigoureux. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-hmac/ Technical Summary This document describes a cryptographic authentication mechanism for the Babel routing protocol that has provisions for replay avoidance. It utilizes HMAC based message authentication codes (MACs). Working Group Summary The Babel WG was principally Chartered to produce a Standards Track version of the Babel protocol which was originally documented in Experimental RFCs including the basic protocol in RFC 6126 and HMAC based authentication in RFC 7298. In working on this transition, rfc6126bis and rfc7298bis drafts were created; however, while the first was adopted by the WG, the WG declined to adopt the rfc7298bis draft and an alternative babel-hmac draft was created and adopted as draft-ietf-babel-hmac. There has been extensive discussion of hmac security and this draft on the list and a clear consensus to approve it. Document Quality There are multiple implementations of this draft. The document has received multiple reviews and is of high quality. Personnel Document Shepherd: Donald Eastlake, 3rd Responsible Area Director: Martin Vigoureux From nobody Fri Sep 11 09:59:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87943A1481; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:59:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, babel-chairs@ietf.org, babel@ietf.org, d3e3e3@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.16.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159984357980.4804.8769690426567760390@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:59:39 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] babel - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:59:40 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, a Chair of the babel working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Babel routing protocol Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Donald Eastlake Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 20 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: bess idr rtgwg dnsop Technology Overlap: homenet manet rtgarea lpwan Key Participant Conflict: netconf netmod People who must be present: Donald E. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:14:32 -0000 Hi, There being only supporting responses to this extended WG Last Call, there is consensus for this draft and publication will be requested. Mahesh: The references in the draft to draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis and to draft-ietf-babel-information-model are to older versions. You could either update the draft for that now or wait for IETF Last Call and Directorate comments and update the references when there are other changes. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 12:39 AM Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi, > > The Yang model draft (version -04) did actually pass WG last call > before but shortly there after some questions arose. There were > changes of some significance between -04 and -05 (see > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-05.txt) > but very minor changes between -05 and the current -06 (I believe just > some formatting and author info changes). > > So, as announced at the July Babel WG meeting, this is a WG Last Call > through September 14 for moving forward with this draft and requesting > RFC publication. > > Thanks, > Donald > =============================== > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: > Date: Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 5:18 PM > Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-06.txt > To: > Cc: > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol WG of the IETF. > > Title : YANG Data Model for Babel > Authors : Mahesh Jethanandani > Barbara Stark > Filename : draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-06.txt > Pages : 38 > Date : 2020-06-28 > > Abstract: > This document defines a data model for the Babel routing protocol. > The data model is defined using the YANG data modeling language. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-babel-yang-model-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Tue Sep 15 11:59:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4099B3A17D4; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 11:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0K8c6NvSL1fp; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 11:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x432.google.com (mail-pf1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15C143A17D2; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 11:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x432.google.com with SMTP id w7so2508579pfi.4; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 11:59:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=JdQvg+7OMzAl74bTgG3NcSj5WcQ+OnjgblFtxTfTJxk=; b=karXM0yB/mXiyfqNUqodMNWxFMrGIZnRxlq7n5pnvJcsokCglughkY7svnxysXHL/Y 6siXFVC9NXNLc7rAs9YLKBxWoKPKNe7VizmdSU6cZFy+MAhhvh9BLcOzzS87nmnzhB9D UzN4BYCVmMltzuRVs8B+THNIB+VG5ZjjrCQjOnaEY5Cup9LUOZb9nOMZLyeHcL2kav2/ np+spmLYAF2EwZotHfMeHQzTyDJOQU7g4HJGcZAJhuNu3MA8UL1ETxt78i3wvFVvOd55 FQVV1YVCoeQqg2pzvAA5ABqVvTP6YL1+hq24g/VvcYRgl3hWG8ukSC0za4dMwYghmQp4 V4ug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=JdQvg+7OMzAl74bTgG3NcSj5WcQ+OnjgblFtxTfTJxk=; b=aPkFUhITulDe2bg2cN7e6V9Va+n5o15MrUiXV7tYUfm8rCjT8cdWwc7+VRKKEctaqC Prqp6MDP3SrSZWR6cijvauzyPxcwCC5is08EC6NWbhuzDvMuzENQ8cv2a1eIBTQUBjNX zl+cM255PrjaC6HGIGPW6qz6fPPqQ9LGwB9ZhcHDbUACNnF3HphMdnc7eUzEUdhNnma9 ysZ5uydTEQhjSRou4y5xH6xyHM7IOr2ExSa8wDMLZoKl+xfVw5xiV8xB0dGJ1RXr3kPe mx1iojChtYWxtFBmII5N+zsPxxbhBxb2rZGEUmXJyJXAaz53cbgW2Q37NrJ0xoS4JEAN fp7w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5314JbTdciJ//nx3SVID4pFZ+f8uaMOWbc4lxPOJ7GQ1k7a/NHCQ FrhWc8N3VEup+V9Swx8G+G8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwaAjO+93r/QPekOGs2v4RCEexL5zXHwHuU7/tciMbb1BqGnwy1nDz8WGLYl6HqMYPryjIaEA== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:941a:0:b029:142:2501:35d1 with SMTP id x26-20020aa7941a0000b0290142250135d1mr3139553pfo.49.1600196393442; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 11:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5600:5020:3909:28cd:6cc7:6714? 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Mahesh: The references in the = draft to draft-ietf-babel-rfc6126bis and
to draft-ietf-babel-information-model are to older versions. = You could
either update = the draft for that now or wait for IETF Last Call and
Directorate comments and update = the references when there are other
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I = will wait for more comments and use them as the reason to update the = document and the references.

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:32:08 -0000 "STARK, BARBARA H" writes: > Hi David and Juliusz (and anyone else who cares to opine), > In contemplating your unnatural silence, I realized you weren't on any of the lists included in this thread. > The basic question is whether we need config parameters for source-specific routing. At the > very least, I wonder if there should be an enable/disable? In the Bird implementation it does have to be explicitly enabled (or rather, there's a config section per address familiy, which can be one or more of {ipv4,ipv6,ipv6-ss}). -Toke From nobody Wed Sep 16 17:31:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F1A3A011D; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1QRHTvklWtmW; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E42443A0115; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id z19so212445lfr.4; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:31:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HP5Oi/H2zMrjv2HPpRiy4Affru+uaQw67NmCIGjMuCY=; b=C8oJRbxUr4g2XvCWeZDQJ/DFCLXGgxRgNAQPmvgba8C6NMnD6IX30B7aTbULyaIkNe WK1n5B7HzvQGh7Wq3UrKBNi1LOdLAyh9Fg23ZdIeWNyC+yA2hAbwso9P0tLVO0tFenu+ k09Y3K1Q7g7k4jH7mzAiZIUtkTOLtcX7OB9Qc+6mPrxkYZ2napeDiIFn5jRTfq/ulzZ5 9yTnPlGMlbr4TcBke3v6L1zYrmjUH0MGphHwqeb7BZN2WaatoQejCOOXvP8AjS99LpXl yaquXb3v8W5oy9IG8cgDvtbQ6dt6mjxTaNQV+J0ZuuDyFNIjJ/BaLL4URvsDCGdAzFm4 IIGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HP5Oi/H2zMrjv2HPpRiy4Affru+uaQw67NmCIGjMuCY=; b=NHjpQQ3umTQcgrhkQQ/fQsfNarmX/wErdBDWBDYYMiLpcs5CC6joLuhf7Fr0+Z9u+c G8S3lP8rp2Ij8mayVM876ilMVtqkVBeySigZ93EGURHZUOOLNruY8lr9c64XWdZ7txQV o//RgG5Se84lzatb5LWuCrKW3C4vFJiNRYVRfbxgOvgL+7hV5/tEfFTwZA1JaKNCfLXK W+77JEbjsFMbc8/tgbrH0CA5imzlKQmOnlVvJeEr1Aj6Joy2oG8v48vLivP0o4NcYGX8 IExdyKv8Nnt+OWKmC1nZYnM88XC0PFHW+gpHCGoe2kAvg0vOe1R/u96F416ON4qtQWNr 3LPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531KuZOxtvzBMjKqq1Co3XBF8gZ2r57Qj7trnlMDJ3Sr08XWN4TR TMMRiymhJy7eM6vrLfwzf7frSdFSZjOJuUOlH/M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwXLLsr2YzWQPVz/o+Tp59wzk+tckghTPiC61Y0kU7NW6q4y58hNVJTQT1sy9velgcmvKd8F8wjk2HMkj8IVaY= X-Received: by 2002:a19:4319:: with SMTP id q25mr7276423lfa.505.1600302681893; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57d1a7c8-de0d-9713-f585-33934eeff2d0@nokia.com> <87wo0tnyjh.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: <87wo0tnyjh.fsf@toke.dk> From: David Schinazi Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:31:11 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: "STARK, BARBARA H" , Martin Vigoureux , "draft-ietf-babel-information-model@ietf.org" , Babel at IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e32ead05af7780cd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] AD review of draft-ietf-babel-information-model X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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At the > > very least, I wonder if there should be an enable/disable? > > In the Bird implementation it does have to be explicitly enabled (or > rather, there's a config section per address familiy, which can be one > or more of {ipv4,ipv6,ipv6-ss}). > > -Toke > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --000000000000e32ead05af7780cd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Indeed, I wasn't on the previous email lists :-)<= /div>I never got around to implementing source-specific
Babel in my own= implementation, so I don't have a
helpful opinion here, sorr= y.

David

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Toke= H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen <toke=3D40toke.dk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
"STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com> writes:=

> Hi David and Juliusz (and anyone else who cares to opine),
> In contemplating your unnatural silence, I realized you weren't on= any of the lists included in this thread.
> The basic question is whether we need config parameters for source-spe= cific routing. At the
> very least, I wonder if there should be an enable/disable?

In the Bird implementation it does have to be explicitly enabled (or
rather, there's a config section per address familiy, which can be one<= br> or more of {ipv4,ipv6,ipv6-ss}).

-Toke

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Hi,

Based on the ample= support on the mailing list and at the last Babel WG meeting, this draft i= s adopted by the WG. There also seemed to be a rough consensus that IPv4 vi= a IPv6 was a better name than IPv4 over IPv6. Authors please edit the draft= and upload as draft-ietf-babel-v4via6-00 unless you think another name wou= ld be better.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cel= l)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com


On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 5:27 PM Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

There seems to be substantial interest in and support for this draft
so I'm issuing a call for WG adoption through September 15th. Please indicate whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the
Babel WG.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1-508-333-2270 (cell)
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--00000000000062af7905af84f3a3-- From nobody Sat Sep 19 03:53:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA77F3A10F6; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 03:53:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ens.fr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J_Dp7JC7spcO; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 03:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94C5B3A10F1; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 03:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-ENS-nef-client: 129.199.1.22 ( name = clipper-gw.ens.fr ) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ens.fr; s=default; t=1600512819; bh=lgOCHS8DYFL+0ZIUMw5PXIo/kJgdGSqOxF7ojGGCr20=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DIaXPe9yYdxD2Yhshs7K58SjyHdncDyc/Yb7NH8zNzKG0KHbAcHbQpsw1sspb+nIJ J4nVP2qM5hg386dYM5DkObf2HfPPmfzTcmng+7gJXzBiX4eqDwb6hlV7Jf6gOpAIR6 dIoZTZ4XH7et2KpFBqtzLFrGzEOr9OZ1yvQTY240= Received: from clipper.ens.fr (clipper-gw.ens.fr [129.199.1.22]) by nef.ens.fr (8.14.4/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id 08JArdwq015513 ; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:53:39 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.15] using smtps by clipper.ens.fr (8.14.4/jb-1.1) id 08JArcOF077098 ; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:53:39 +0200 (authenticated user tbastian) X-ENS-Received: (lfbn-mon-1-1506-244.w92-167.abo.wanadoo.fr [92.167.71.244]) To: Babel at IETF Cc: babel-chairs References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Th=c3=a9ophile_Bastian?= Message-ID: <73ac2987-70c7-5c22-f22e-e96c06d17c23@ens.fr> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:53:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US-large Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:53:39 +0200 (CEST) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Adopted Re: WG adoption call for draft-bastian-babel-v4ov6 X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 10:53:48 -0000 Hi, > Based on the ample support on the mailing list and at the last Babel WG > meeting, this draft is adopted by the WG. There also seemed to be a > rough consensus that IPv4 via IPv6 was a better name than IPv4 over > IPv6. Authors please edit the draft and upload as > draft-ietf-babel-v4via6-00 unless you think another name would be better. I will upload such a draft soon, and update the mailing-list on this matter. I'm glad of the adoption! -- Théophile Bastian From nobody Tue Sep 22 15:27:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05E93A1A35 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5Mn1FZEgloh for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [45.145.95.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C86DF3A1A36 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1600813635; bh=T2eOIaTa3FjQLdjAWpMIarIFrHBtCQGhtEYlK+4I9gU=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=KOoAT/YBJTlguYP2uYB0NmaHzPn9GZvvpP0kAPMmFHfFgUE/bAmQugZ/s5vrdz3zl WV3O+5SjzRHmCVQ6CUQUMtDBq06X784TsPwPpvdQ0CM+yBLWX5Vgj2ekcdJyUZ826v VEWLRGqGsPR5Sl4y9sNZocfscMiE4qJ0NGNGBaNyDIteqdOHJ/g2U2rmJMGG1e3U3n nW7t0jUcHa7sDgmF9Y6rgW5yneVZZ7Fa34a3aoIGkxgxHlTGN0zHHH2yeefAVtsOqR 9SpLx2ccj10CIT4kosLhdQeqksKpxtaIbTVdvImQeLZsK0CbUHFZ31Z9IbmURmKIAa 9nmZvCCcekMYw== To: Antonin =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A9cimo?= , Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 00:27:14 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87sgb9fnwd.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:27:21 -0000 Hi Antonin Great to see! A few comments: > The code has not undergone review. No interoperability testing has > been done. I've done basic interoperability testing with the latest version of my MAC implementation for Babel in Bird. They can successfully exchange messages with both hmac-sha256 and blake2s hash algorithms configured. A few comments/suggestions on the babeld implementation: - You don't enforce a minimum key length. For blake2s this means the key will effectively be zero-padded up to the block size of 32 bytes (not sure what hmac-sha256 does). For Bird I'm enforcing that the key size must match the hash output size (32 bytes for both blake2s and hmac-sha256). This is based on the security considerations section in the draft; should babeld do the same? (this also tripped me up when testing, because I accidentally pasted a truncated key into the babeld config without noticing). - I think the configuration is a bit verbose. This was the minimal config I needed to enable MAC in babeld: key name test algorithm hmac-sha256 value 7465737474657374746573747465737474657374746573747465737474657374 use both keyset test keyset-add-key test test interface veth0 mac true add-keyset test The two middle lines feel like they are a bit redundant; could we go without them for simple configs? -Toke From nobody Wed Sep 23 08:12:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB713A11D6 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:12:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bG98SQooUaBd for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x42b.google.com (mail-wr1-x42b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE2913A0A3F for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42b.google.com with SMTP id a17so422434wrn.6 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:12:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:to:date :message-id:in-reply-to; bh=ACQq6Nk8CnXnhw2vjAKEa2DRP3GgdLesNCqcb/jjK2M=; b=j8yGJKBSKLIZxrR7luP6hczz/V/gTxbQWlq3MyJAjZVvL6g0ThCjyz5o26dqYTPFzj RAtMVBtRwioa0ipEafq6Aw6CqlH+BvI1Q15mwv8/wVms3Hk4Ro/hxjZMyi2jOMoLV57F /4Zph+4hv/IR3rwA52iM/0E5QJ33M3K+7MMDdH3oyBIaaD39REfAv6sG/9L/kCcXq/Ni 9/FR+PJkfBPzpE15SFZTbQUDmORAyFVCScGlsY05GOqmVPRsOAFejf2c5PD9ASo+bZN5 m1z3NvAi7gUywMuKPGRbS+jDI8MXfrb4DX4GBntWAxApnwsai2Gawcfj7elkyEfIrDAR qTEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject :from:to:date:message-id:in-reply-to; bh=ACQq6Nk8CnXnhw2vjAKEa2DRP3GgdLesNCqcb/jjK2M=; b=cGnfW3uT4+T/MI1uOoju/T0Re2n2N038i/zmGffVCmySvhsbfQHukLrK3aIC9KkXtM u0BAFBUK8cw9ZTpCpABeKtW0wfl23oE7+pNEXszSz+6FDG0zpUbFOJ7HFJo78sw1S3Px LMbye3Od2v5D8Sr3m9U5GVY4aDPXjYDk4Ve1iWHrJMAJAveWYhh6FqZl0+WIavPYNAbk 9o3HOXVGmhIIF/fsPY333KmB3CJvF0M8j2Q/099pOEFCcPry6BeBwgIro7OkNN2IHrqa 9UYiX+yKJ5dAASPIjqn286UdB0bdSLQGM+HH6SfvBXqcmTGTCf8/dVRUU+Lg123s/Tsi wPjg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532bDoQVBa2tqjp/3lmJlgOSe9YE+tIgX8A9P8dJXOsRqTybbsme eL+BCiWGybV2vrJ6+SQgrt4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwSvPX6PUrJIoBgXzp+j/0J57GRbxR6cxeQmGuSqqZsROLM+po48Wqijp10rJ4lTc5UmIAUcw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:ec0a:: with SMTP id x10mr106582wrn.47.1600873920080; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (2a01cb0802a40500020ec6fffed9ad5a.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr. [2a01:cb08:2a4:500:20e:c6ff:fed9:ad5a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e18sm128942wra.36.2020.09.23.08.11.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: =?utf-8?q?Antonin_D=C3=A9cimo?= To: =?utf-8?q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , "Babel at IETF" , "babel-users" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:59:51 +0200 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <87sgb9fnwd.fsf@toke.dk> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:12:03 -0000 Hello Toke, > I've done basic interoperability testing with the latest version of my > MAC implementation for Babel in Bird. They can successfully exchange > messages with both hmac-sha256 and blake2s hash algorithms configured. Yay! Thank you very much! I=E2=80=99m glad it worked (on the first try) :-) > - You don't enforce a minimum key length. This was on purpose, but maybe it was a bad idea. > For blake2s this means the key will effectively be zero-padded up to > the block size of 32 bytes (not sure what hmac-sha256 does). hmac-sha256 is the same. Under the block size, the key is padded with zeroes, above, the key is pre-hashed. > For Bird I'm enforcing that the key size must match the hash output > size (32 bytes for both blake2s and hmac-sha256). This is based on > the security considerations section in the draft; should babeld do > the same? Now babeld requires keys of 32 bytes for both algorithms. > - I think the configuration is a bit verbose. This was the minimal > config I needed to enable MAC in babeld: > > key name test algorithm hmac-sha256 value > 7465737474657374746573747465737474657374746573747465737474657374 use > both > keyset test > keyset-add-key test test > interface veth0 mac true add-keyset test > > The two middle lines feel like they are a bit redundant; could we go > without them for simple configs? You=E2=80=99re right; at least the line `keyset test` can go, keysets are n= ow implicitly created. I don=E2=80=99t see how I can further simplify without losing the idea that interfaces may share keysets and keysets may share keys. One thing that is still buggy in my implementation is to use the "default" pseudo-interface with keysets and keys, this may simplify the configuration for common usecases. -- Antonin From nobody Wed Sep 23 08:47:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE4F3A11CD for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:47:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MgYGkaZ5AsNW for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2a0c:4d80:42:2001::664]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FE623A11A6 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1600876063; bh=4q/X1HwiBHid92+yij3Wns1I6/p4/cOcOlDSXRQBASA=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=jxHe3piM6+07nklLLBakm3b+quWG2hpAbnHY1oSXvV6rAFB/WNX/FUSN6Edb5yk+u y23dhqAwseeFsxjz/aYSiLDdAPeq1wxPMWlpf5MQKSd37CpJJAskKAkvqPYJ/IS29k e5jj6IjeD2Wckkc4bh7csWy808W/DYUpyi20iVK/9Z6Fm4hEYu9G5nsV13RwBzyhy8 hLc02b3f8s/gytq8mgvW6BUBIZpYnvZs36Feg1YVr5lOTM7VAfYqZUyCsW97Fa7DLT 9HZJd2BmKRx/46e5ImI0TKByXxZLTjKbIsBrzjEFWyHTSW/mU1FMI6D2S3nrPpe/do ymz8IKWlCrkwA== To: Antonin =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A9cimo?= , Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:47:41 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87lfh0o5pe.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:47:55 -0000 Antonin D=C3=A9cimo writes: > Hello Toke, > >> I've done basic interoperability testing with the latest version of my >> MAC implementation for Babel in Bird. They can successfully exchange >> messages with both hmac-sha256 and blake2s hash algorithms configured. > > Yay! Thank you very much! I=E2=80=99m glad it worked (on the first try) := -) Well, I did test an earlier version of your code against an earlier version of me, so not quite first try ;) >> - You don't enforce a minimum key length. > > This was on purpose, but maybe it was a bad idea. > >> For blake2s this means the key will effectively be zero-padded up to >> the block size of 32 bytes (not sure what hmac-sha256 does). > > hmac-sha256 is the same. Under the block size, the key is padded with > zeroes, above, the key is pre-hashed. Yeah, that's what the Bird implementation is doing too. I'm also limiting the *max* length of keys to avoid the pre-hashing as I figured that would be an interoperability issue. But if it's standard practice maybe that is not necessary? >> For Bird I'm enforcing that the key size must match the hash output >> size (32 bytes for both blake2s and hmac-sha256). This is based on >> the security considerations section in the draft; should babeld do >> the same? > > Now babeld requires keys of 32 bytes for both algorithms. Great! >> - I think the configuration is a bit verbose. This was the minimal >> config I needed to enable MAC in babeld: >> >> key name test algorithm hmac-sha256 value >> 7465737474657374746573747465737474657374746573747465737474657374 use >> both >> keyset test >> keyset-add-key test test >> interface veth0 mac true add-keyset test >> >> The two middle lines feel like they are a bit redundant; could we go >> without them for simple configs? > > You=E2=80=99re right; at least the line `keyset test` can go, keysets are= now > implicitly created. I don=E2=80=99t see how I can further simplify without > losing the idea that interfaces may share keysets and keysets may > share keys. The obvious thing would be to assign keys to a "default" keyset if no explicit keyset is configured, and assign that default keyset to all interfaces that don't specify one? I think that would be safer anyway, as right now it's quite easy to think you've configured authentication, but it's not actually enabled because there was not key assigned. So I think the interface config should be bailing out if 'mac true' is set but no key is available... > One thing that is still buggy in my implementation is to use the > "default" pseudo-interface with keysets and keys, this may simplify > the configuration for common usecases. Yeah, for more complex configurations that will help, of course. I did not test the config interface extensively, just did the minimum to get things working ;) -Toke From nobody Wed Sep 23 08:51:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0523A122F for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xUIqoqKaWGV for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C51323A120B for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 08NFpg9M028964; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:51:42 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15454B1D4B; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:51:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id B0gfTphoCf1H; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:51:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lanthane.irif.fr (unknown [172.23.36.89]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DD867B1D49; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:51:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:51:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87o8lwze2d.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Antonin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9cimo?= Cc: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= , "Babel at\ IETF" , "babel-users" In-Reply-To: References: <87sgb9fnwd.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:51:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5F6B6F0E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5F6B6F0E.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5F6B6F0E.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:51:48 -0000 >> - I think the configuration is a bit verbose. This was the minimal >> config I needed to enable MAC in babeld: >> >> key name test algorithm hmac-sha256 value >> 7465737474657374746573747465737474657374746573747465737474657374 use >> both >> keyset test >> keyset-add-key test test >> interface veth0 mac true add-keyset test >> >> The two middle lines feel like they are a bit redundant; could we go >> without them for simple configs? > You’re right; at least the line `keyset test` can go, keysets are now > implicitly created. I don’t see how I can further simplify without > losing the idea that interfaces may share keysets and keysets may > share keys. Hmm... let's discuss the following ideas: - make "use both" optional; - rename "add-keyset" to just "keyset"; - rename "keyset-add-key" to just "add-key"; - allow the interface configuration to say "key", in which case we internally create an anonymous keyset with just one key. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:05:02 -0000 > Well, I did test an earlier version of your code against an earlier > version of me, so not quite first try ;) Second first try, then. > >> - You don't enforce a minimum key length. > > > > This was on purpose, but maybe it was a bad idea. > > > >> For blake2s this means the key will effectively be zero-padded up to > >> the block size of 32 bytes (not sure what hmac-sha256 does). > > > > hmac-sha256 is the same. Under the block size, the key is padded with > > zeroes, above, the key is pre-hashed. > > Yeah, that's what the Bird implementation is doing too. I'm also > limiting the *max* length of keys to avoid the pre-hashing as I figured > that would be an interoperability issue. But if it's standard practice > maybe that is not necessary? It is standard. If the key length is smaller than the output (block) size, then the key is padded with zeroes. If the key length is bigger, then it is pre-hashed. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2104#section-2 Right know, babeld requires keys to be of the exact output size of the hash. > The obvious thing would be to assign keys to a "default" keyset if no > explicit keyset is configured, and assign that default keyset to all > interfaces that don't specify one? I want to use the 'default' pseudo interface so that each keyset that is added to the default interface is automatically added to each interface. > I think that would be safer anyway, as right now it's quite easy to > think you've configured authentication, but it's not actually enabled > because there was not key assigned. So I think the interface config > should be bailing out if 'mac true' is set but no key is available... It=E2=80=99s not clear when this check should be, because keys could be add= ed from another channel, for instance a local socket but not the babeld.conf file. I can add warnings when signing and verifying packets if there are no key available. -- Antonin From nobody Mon Sep 28 07:07:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7243A11D4 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:07:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YbdIzCT9ntI1 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AB433A11A3 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id a9so1304110wmm.2 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:to:cc:date :message-id:in-reply-to; bh=tPgPuUuVuSXFcDLSMFfVcM4rgIMOfuylBdU6OrzdFz4=; b=PRIh42YWG7u4jeKy5gJcGUBpQKAFV9z4ciTizO6neh6QOxwWKdPHyktKn+Zkv+rnob pfhygM8hCQIVRuMzJyPe3cVdQrypMOweqcjSGLmDzemeuut6BPfnb3la/9qJaLdmug3U gET63Y5tqt4oeTXXTEsO4HZ8XKwO6sZDn3U6PS/4QaKEZ4DQJWvyap6HePIM//fhENO5 NFnakJUV+fIfLkyEGr3+iyCrn7WRI1Ju1TcPRZGpNoxXulrUAzkErfayK9wCh/Tbg0PS vpBgxcP+i8wz+em1TXYpAbnLD7TFO01/vE4fLOLjXVlkcYPn67ImG2V7VnutSzwckzCE 2qdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject :from:to:cc:date:message-id:in-reply-to; bh=tPgPuUuVuSXFcDLSMFfVcM4rgIMOfuylBdU6OrzdFz4=; b=BGjJzupAUtDLvRaL83TKy93M7Pc7qSrsHNswoNmTTVgNqNrjwhO8B3Pw7cUYyeEivn sQWwS5vUDSxdckkP5etKGyG28jM9tKz/wpRXvn6cJTl7L+WA1700tIlEQjHjWlhZtaXT UP1ksEDdY1CEeyWdFVnVxlNE7KO7y0A71x07nhpbELhzCyaorUOfs69mdcmoPgDKxIZH U7fo1wQGcmwqxESIdVeAw1GdG5oiNn17cMJe8VxVl6bv3EvnqN+zsuE8IbMBof8jeYyt Dw9V0SHX4Wd+WNLmvTzLjP6NeHrtNOLsmtbKIyyLMF+Ay4SEmSD/ROckK37E7wy3Yl3j g9lA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ckjpwlR/EwVykFLJD7QcmG/8ejiPslJpNuru560yToQu7m5KG hX1274QYVG7E73K6O14DaVk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxtecDXEg/s3DQ8A/xc6xxQmIpEuKNMpy+CC5rs/ttA3pQngrFGWX6zD/J5ItiPDcFkMwoIYQ== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c111:: with SMTP id w17mr1748860wmi.109.1601302054678; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bus77-h02-176-172-92-192.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr. [176.172.92.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m10sm1448923wmi.9.2020.09.28.07.07.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: =?utf-8?q?Antonin_D=C3=A9cimo?= To: "Juliusz Chroboczek" Cc: =?utf-8?q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , "Babel at IETF" , "babel-users" Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 16:05:24 +0200 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <87o8lwze2d.wl-jch@irif.fr> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:07:38 -0000 > - make "use both" optional; I dislike "use both" anyway. I=E2=80=99ve removed it. If you don't specify = the use, then the key is used for signing and verifying. If you specify a use, then the key is used only for it. > - rename "add-keyset" to just "keyset"; I disagree, this would break symmetry with "rm-keyset". > - rename "keyset-add-key" to just "add-key"; Done. > - allow the interface configuration to say "key", in which case we > internally create an anonymous keyset with just one key. Done. The anonymous keyset takes the name of the interface. From nobody Mon Sep 28 07:38:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAECF3A1232 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wM4Gb_Fc3EMF for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [45.145.95.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B88F23A121E for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1601303909; bh=92JOm5MQ1XeWIbtr2bvCvf1HC52jKpd5bVAqRagCcBc=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=KkKpMfesNNp0TkNLgaPxCl5Aq41ye9bjqJ2HPx0w9Uo3ti8aE5OGATR5UjuAeYqNf B7lDnwyIBdbBVDqdxdei8UiRypdHrg6ZNdVlqi46HRqrmBn6CIZuh/3cgqVSGVRVGY XVRkXUrEtgTiXMPK0/73AhbEALbsc0c1ZFyTdY8F61/oMBnmunkZV0vI+4mD9vZWaS sQ+yc6Jw2T1DQjKXD05k4d6gGfGO78ZFu3Du9sFXxZYs3+TCsYsGVnxQOAlpsy0F2d DCpexqgoU2xDHKqGp4ppyLbQIvi5qE8U6Yc63qgsJ9k7moLpThaIU9j/k1imnR9Mzp zzpK8u+++iHsw== To: Antonin =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A9cimo?= , Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 16:38:28 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87h7ri3r17.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:38:36 -0000 Antonin D=C3=A9cimo writes: >> Well, I did test an earlier version of your code against an earlier >> version of me, so not quite first try ;) > > Second first try, then. Haha, yeah :) >> >> - You don't enforce a minimum key length. >> > >> > This was on purpose, but maybe it was a bad idea. >> > >> >> For blake2s this means the key will effectively be zero-padded up to >> >> the block size of 32 bytes (not sure what hmac-sha256 does). >> > >> > hmac-sha256 is the same. Under the block size, the key is padded with >> > zeroes, above, the key is pre-hashed. >> >> Yeah, that's what the Bird implementation is doing too. I'm also >> limiting the *max* length of keys to avoid the pre-hashing as I figured >> that would be an interoperability issue. But if it's standard practice >> maybe that is not necessary? > > It is standard. If the key length is smaller than the output (block) > size, then the key is padded with zeroes. If the key length is bigger, > then it is pre-hashed. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2104#section-2 Ah, good to know! > Right know, babeld requires keys to be of the exact output size of the > hash. I ended up with something similar, except for HMAC keys it allows OUTPUT_SIZE <=3D key size <=3D BLOCK_SIZE: https://github.com/tohojo/bird/blob/babel-mac-02/proto/babel/config.Y#L112 >> The obvious thing would be to assign keys to a "default" keyset if no >> explicit keyset is configured, and assign that default keyset to all >> interfaces that don't specify one? > > I want to use the 'default' pseudo interface so that each keyset that > is added to the default interface is automatically added to each > interface. Yes, that does make things simpler, but still requires explicit assignment of a key, even if it's just to the default interface. Maybe you could add a keyword to the key definition itself ('default'?) that does this without a separate keyset line? >> I think that would be safer anyway, as right now it's quite easy to >> think you've configured authentication, but it's not actually enabled >> because there was not key assigned. So I think the interface config >> should be bailing out if 'mac true' is set but no key is available... > > It=E2=80=99s not clear when this check should be, because keys could be a= dded > from another channel, for instance a local socket but not the > babeld.conf file. > I can add warnings when signing and verifying packets if there are no > key available. Yeah, dynamic config does make things a bit more complicated, but I still think it's possible to add a check that will prevent most errors. I don't think warning on processing is enough, it has to be on config time (or an operator can still restart the daemon, not get an error, and forget to check the logs). You could simply reject 'mac true' if no key is configured (i.e., reject interface bring-up or reconfig, as appropriate depending on context). This imposes constraints on the ordering of config stanzas, but I think that is better than allowing an interface to accidentally run without mac enforcement because there is no key. If you want to relax the ordering in the config file, you could defer the check until you've read the whole thing, which would mean the ordering constraint only exists on dynamic reconfig; but not sure that's even necessary, forcing people to put the key definition first is not that onerous... -Toke From nobody Mon Sep 28 08:23:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0363A0FA1 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPya--4jK3h2 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A4843A0F9F for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 08SFNEl9009928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:14 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id 08SFNEwg032541; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:14 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6DFBA02F; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id sMo9XtO30eOq; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D16ABA02D; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87eemmudr8.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= Cc: Antonin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9cimo?= , Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: <87h7ri3r17.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87h7ri3r17.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/27.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:23:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5F71FFE2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:23:20 -0000 >> It is standard. If the key length is smaller than the output (block) >> size, then the key is padded with zeroes. If the key length is bigger, >> then it is pre-hashed. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2104#section-2 > Ah, good to know! It's also not a very good idea. MAC exposes large numbers of packets and their signatures to an attacker. It is therefore vulnerable to dictionary attacks. HMAC keys should either be drawn randomly using a cryptographic RNG, or generated using a hashing procedure that is resistant to dictionary attacks. This is expanded upon in the Security Considerations section of the draft. I am of a divided mind on whether babeld should implement the RFC 2104 procedure, as proposed by Antonin. On the one hand, the procedure in RFC 2104 Section 2 is extremely naive from a modern point of view, and implementing it might induce people into deploying MAC in an insecure manner. On the other hand, it is convenient, and inconvenient security protocols are less likely to be deployed in production (*cough*PGP*cough). On the gripping hand, MAC only secures Babel traffic -- it does nothing to protect neighbour discovery, let alone data traffic. One might therefore argue that Babel-MAC and Babel-DTLS are both pointless, and that Babel should be deployed over secure links. There is some merit to this position, and we should consider doing some work on integrating babeld with Wireguard. Please see the discussion on https://github.com/jech/babeld/issues/58 -- Juliusz From nobody Mon Sep 28 08:31:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBA73A1262 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ihDV-Qs1GVGL for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C45B3A12B7 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 08SFV1Io013938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:31:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/82085) with ESMTP id 08SFV1Rn003280; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:31:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC23BA1A7; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:31:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id W7DxhSzHLrkG; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 096ECBA1A3; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:30:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87d025vryk.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= Cc: Antonin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9cimo?= , Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: <87h7ri3r17.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87h7ri3r17.fsf@toke.dk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/27.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:31:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:31:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5F7201B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:31:13 -0000 > You could simply reject 'mac true' if no key is configured (i.e., reject > interface bring-up or reconfig, as appropriate depending on context). Suppose you were running Babel together with a keying daemon. Say, one that periodically performs an authenticated supersingular isogeny Diffie-Helman exchange and then feeds the resulting key to the Babel daemon. You could of course delay starting the Babel daemon until you got yourself a non-empty set of keys, but wouldn't it be more robust to start Babel in authenticated mode with no keys (which would cause it to drop packets) and then incrementally feed it keys as they are learned? -- Juliusz From nobody Mon Sep 28 08:39:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472D53A126B for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z8A8GWc9jcLg for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [45.145.95.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D27B3A126A for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:39:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1601307546; bh=iYQ+Y3MTfVKppPYlSZzHmgBdTR9hjzRfgF2PJYEqW6o=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=kLVe1DhQjkYtxm7waztptKFFhmvKvMFfPZjPjh6NWyXwPwHh5gVnbAdq+8fQTx9/i OgQnPAMQZ28n5dY7ZJuygU7/XfcSBfqTLGw4y+HWIwN7OIEgBJ00cKnZJmaBLKScMM 3eQw1kEZNxrQii30WIaMhpXl3VNP0JO2/UmtZi57eQKryW/Mofth1+z9Xr4E8LUOdf n3nRna8LJyE9lFqCqsZcbCOF7inesqfTYHXkDVB2g7Y/x2O1kaLz/32/iw1N5AHIoj 7UztrEaokQAmx9LofyFg0pkRU4zq+7y8snK4z814pB3lgjn+OWKdxaMirXJXMy85C1 q3FqUJqg4jGuw== To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Antonin =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A9cimo?= , Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: <87eemmudr8.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87h7ri3r17.fsf@toke.dk> <87eemmudr8.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:39:05 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <875z7x52sm.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:39:11 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >>> It is standard. If the key length is smaller than the output (block) >>> size, then the key is padded with zeroes. If the key length is bigger, >>> then it is pre-hashed. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2104#section-2 > >> Ah, good to know! > > It's also not a very good idea. > > MAC exposes large numbers of packets and their signatures to an attacker. > It is therefore vulnerable to dictionary attacks. HMAC keys should either > be drawn randomly using a cryptographic RNG, or generated using a hashing > procedure that is resistant to dictionary attacks. This is expanded upon > in the Security Considerations section of the draft. Yeah, that discussion is why I added the restriction in Bird. > I am of a divided mind on whether babeld should implement the RFC 2104 > procedure, as proposed by Antonin. On the one hand, the procedure in > RFC 2104 Section 2 is extremely naive from a modern point of view, and > implementing it might induce people into deploying MAC in an insecure > manner. On the other hand, it is convenient, and inconvenient security > protocols are less likely to be deployed in production (*cough*PGP*cough). In any case, Blake2 does not have any such mechanism, so keys would have to be a certain size there (or we'd end up inventing something new, which is probably not a good idea). So I think restricting the key size is fine; and, well, if users want to make that key be all zeroes (or something equally insecure) we can't really stop that anyway... > On the gripping hand, MAC only secures Babel traffic -- it does nothing to > protect neighbour discovery, let alone data traffic. One might therefore > argue that Babel-MAC and Babel-DTLS are both pointless, and that Babel > should be deployed over secure links. There is some merit to this position, > and we should consider doing some work on integrating babeld with Wireguard. > Please see the discussion on > > https://github.com/jech/babeld/issues/58 Ah cool, I've been wanting to add wg support to Bird as well; maybe we should write a spec for how that is supposed to work with the Babel protocol (I don't agree with the reporter of that bug that this will need changes to wireguard, if we allow plaintext discovery outside of the tunnel, babel can just to unicast peers on the inside). -Toke From nobody Mon Sep 28 08:45:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB473A1275 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:45:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w8mno_vkrYj0 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2a0c:4d80:42:2001::664]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E9A53A0FB0 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1601307945; bh=RnZEg3UH1vyjyFhhksFeevLtqHJg0LeZ8HsRdLTJHZo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=ZeLZ/Ckn6jZRuHNdbNd/Y26SW/UBQZushlcFLnLIZg8BKMnrXm/LovE4Al48yGNVM MKWpFK0cfufy4OnledO0oRDLIYSzyVu593yl5/CSwuGfIkxlK2SjGydwpB7Il4QYqN jwV8i84Ro5zUrp701H/Su6QJj/sMKWwjFRvZFbpt/NofakyvvG1E9iqQF4fPcSo4tj tTaBNf02BJe+KfoFS1TpGVN3jZE3otx0lFX5LJjMRHE9YzlWVMKHtkGjqv+ob94qXb hxOVJjgzoqU7LGs7EUtkY8KlejmVv4gCClEq0Q7UJ/4KSqKRjvhxmi1zr9h3EWgY5p RCSsU5wLPJl0g== To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Antonin =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A9cimo?= , Babel at IETF , babel-users In-Reply-To: <87d025vryk.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <87h7ri3r17.fsf@toke.dk> <87d025vryk.wl-jch@irif.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:45:45 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87363152hi.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] MAC auth. for Babel in babeld X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:45:51 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >> You could simply reject 'mac true' if no key is configured (i.e., reject >> interface bring-up or reconfig, as appropriate depending on context). > > Suppose you were running Babel together with a keying daemon. Say, one > that periodically performs an authenticated supersingular isogeny > Diffie-Helman exchange and then feeds the resulting key to the Babel > daemon. > > You could of course delay starting the Babel daemon until you got yourself > a non-empty set of keys, but wouldn't it be more robust to start Babel in > authenticated mode with no keys (which would cause it to drop packets) and > then incrementally feed it keys as they are learned? Hmm, not sure I have any opinion about which would be more robust off the top of my head. But I can see your point that someone might implement it that way; and I suppose I could be convinced that such a configuration could be allowed, as long as it fails safe, of course. I think that at least emitting a clear warning on startup would help users avoid the most common configuration errors, though... -Toke