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Thanks for writing the draft to explore the applicability of ForCES to BNG =
CU separation!=20

BTW, the CUSP protocol draft is updated:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cu-separation-bng-proto=
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On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 4:35 AM Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)
<fuyou.miao@huawei.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for writing the draft to explore the applicability of ForCES to BNG CU separation!
>
> BTW, the CUSP protocol draft is updated:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cuspdt-rtgwg-cu-separation-bng-protocol/
>

Note, our draft is strictly on CUSP-s. We didnt try to explore the full coverage
of BNG because we assume that things like management are as your draft
shows are netconf domain etc.

We did look at your draft and made two observations:

1) In ours we used the info model draft for the data model. It seems
you have more
details than what is provided in the info model.
Where is you CUSP-s abstraction for the control coming from? Maybe the
info model
is outdated?
We are thinking of publishing a new version of ours which covers all the details
you are considering in your document - but it would be easier if there was a
document which separately captured the abstraction (the info model was a
good fit).

2) Everything in the CUSP-s you have can be covered under ForCES.

cheers,
jamal

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On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:44 PM Miaofuyou (Miao Fuyou)
<fuyou.miao@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>
> There are 3 interfaces: service, control and management for CU separation=
. As you pointed out, the management interface is on netconf domain. The se=
rvice interface is tunnel. Control interface is the one for major considera=
tion, that is SCUSP protocol. I believe your intention for ForCES is also c=
ontrol interface. Draft-*-yang-model is helpful to understand the interface=
s, while you may refer SCUSP protocol for latest details, including various=
 message and TLS/sub-TLV.
>

Assuming yang draft is for management, no?
The info draft is what SCUSP needs to deal with.

> The CUSP work is on-going work, it's not possible to get all drafts updat=
ed in complete sync. But, the SCUSP protocols is latest one for reference.

IMO, at minimal the protocol for SCUSP needs to conform to the
informational draft. i.e update
both at the same time.
Which btw is the _main_ difference with ForCES. We never have to keep
updating the
ForCES protocol. We update the data model.

cheers,
jamal


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