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Hi,

The IESG just approved the formation of the BESS working group with the charter
you can see in the datatracker. The formal announcement text will follow
(probably  tomorrow).

Many thanks to Martin and Thomas for agreeing to serve as chairs.

Once I see the announcement I will close the L3VPN WG.

The chairs have been talking with the chairs of the hopefully-soon-to-be-formed
PALS working group about documents and where they belong. now would be a good
time to have that discussion on this list.

Please move all of the in-charter discussions to the BESS list and keep on the
good work.

Thanks,
Adrian


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Hi everyone,

This WG last call is closed, and  draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system will now 
be submitted to IESG.

Best,

-Thomas


03/10/2014 10:33, Thomas Morin :
> Hello working group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on 
> draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 [1]. This last call is related only to 
> changes between -02 and -04.
>
> Note that draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 went through a Working Group 
> Last Call, during which no significant issue was raised. However, my 
> shepherd review lead to identify one major obstacle to publication, in 
> the dependency on XEP-0248 specifications [2], which are not mature 
> and whose progress is staled. The review also lead to other changes. 
> Overall, the amount of changes is significant enough to impose us to 
> do a new WG Last Call.
>
> Please review the changes, and send your comments to the list, no 
> later than **October 17th**.
>
> For your convenience, the changes between -02 and -04:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04&url1=draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-02 
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Thomas & Martin
>
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04
> [2] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0248.html
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IESG,

The L3VPN WG requests that draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04 be published 
as an RFC on the Standard track.

The shepherd write-up is in the datatacker [1].

Thank you,

-Thomas
for the L3VPN/BESS WG

[1] 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/shepherdwriteup/


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A new IETF working group has been formed in the Routing Area. For
additional information please contact the Area Directors or the WG
Chairs.

BGP Enabled Services (bess)
------------------------------------------------
Current Status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
  Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
  Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com>

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Charter:

BGP is established as a protocol for provisioning and operating Layer-3
(routed) Virtual Private Networks (L3VPNs). It is also used in certain
Layer-2  Virtual Private Networks (L2VPNs).

The BGP Enabled Services (BESS) working group is responsible for
defining, specifying, and extending network services based on BGP. In
particular, the working group will work on the following services:

 - BGP/MPLS IP VPN solutions (based on RFC4364 and RFC4659) for
   supporting provider-provisioned L3VPNs including methods for enabling
   multicast over BGP/MPLS VPNs.

 - BGP-enabled L2VPNs (as described in RFC 4664) that operate over IP or
   MPLS packet switched network tunnels. All types of L2VPN are in scope
   provided they utilize BGP for discovery, signaling, or for some other
   purposes related to the VPN. But L2VPN solutions that operate over 
   pseudowires or use LDP and that do not utilize BGP will be addressed
   by the PALS working group. Any contention in placement of the work
   between these working groups will be resolved by the chairs.

 - BGP-enabled VPN solutions for use in the data center networking.
   This work includes consideration of VPN scaling issues and
   mechanisms applicable to such environments.

 - Extensions to BGP-enabled VPN solutions for the construction of
   virtual topologies in support of services such as Service Function
   Chaining.

The working group may also suggest new services to be supported by BGP
and these may be added to the working group charter subject to
rechartering.

The working group may work on:

 - Mechanisms to support BGP-enabled services in the presence of multi-
   homing of Customer Edge (CE) devices to multiple Provider Edge (PE)
   devices to provide load-balancing and resilience.

 - Auto-discovery of sites that participate in the BGP-enabled service.

 - Data models for modeling, managing, and operating BGP-based services
   using SMI or YANG.

 - OAM or resiliency mechanisms operating over BGP-enabled services. But
   native data plane OAM mechanisms may be worked on only in conjunction
   with the working groups responsible for the relevant data planes.

 - Extensions to BGP and extensions to YANG models for BGP. All such
   work must be reviewed by the IDR WG, but the decision to request
   publication of such work remains with the BESS WG.

The working group will also coordinate with other working groups where
appropriate. For example, with the MPLS working group for issues
related to the MPLS architecture, and the NVO3 working group for
coordination of protocols to support data center VPNs.

The BESS working group will not define new data plane or forwarding
plane encapsulations.

Milestones:
  Nov 2014 - Submit specification of the BGP ACCEPT_OWN Community
Attribute to IESG as PS
  Dec 2014 - Submit specification for multicast VPN bidir P-tunnels to
IESG as PS
  Dec 2014 - Submit specifications for E-VPN to IESG as PS
  Feb 2015 - Submit specification for extranet support in multicast VPNs
to IESG as PS
  Feb 2015 - Submit specification of BGP-signaled end-system IP/VPNs to
IESG as PS
  Apr 2015 - Submit specification of BGP as an MVPN PE-CE protocol to
IESG as PS
  Jun 2015 - Submit specification of a multicast VPN MIB to IESG as PS
  Jun 2015 - Submit specification for the use of E-VPN for datacenter
overlays  to IESG as PS
  Jul 2015 - Submit specifications for VPLS multi-homing to IESG as PS
  Sep 2015 - Submit specifications for PBB/E-VPN interoperability to IESG
as PS
  Nov 2015 - Submit specifications for SPB-M/E-VPN interoperability to
IESG as PS
  Nov 2015 - Submit specifications for TRILL/E-VPN interoperability to
IESG as PS
  Dec 2015 - Submit E-VPN OAM to IESG as PS
  Jun 2016 - Submit a Yang or SMI datamodel for RFC4364 to IESG as PS
  Jun 2016 - Submit a Yang or SMI datamodel for E-VPN to IESG as PS



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Support.

Thx,
R.

PS. I am not sure why this poll still is under old mailer address ..
adding BESS :)


On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Martin Vigoureux
<martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>
> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
> not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>
> This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>
>
> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you
> are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see
> RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to
> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>
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> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
> Thank you
>
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> ---
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
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Hi All,
Time to request presentation slots for IETF 91.

If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please reply =
to this email (subject intact) completing the form below.   If L2VPNers are=
n't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send i=
n a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded with a=
 copy to the requester.  (See Andy=92s email below.)

Please use this form and please reply to this email.

- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):
- draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth=
-oam-iwk/):
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solved via the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to address secu=
rity issues and get direction from the WG):
- requested duration (norm is 10 min):
- speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE):

Thanks!
Dave


From: Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>" <pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "l2vpn@ietf.org<mail=
to:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>>, Stewart Bryant=
 <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>>, David A Sinicrope <david.=
sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>>
Subject: PALS WG on its way ....

If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is th=
at PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will meet i=
n Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday at 13=
:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda i=
tems. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be pre=
senting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to present at =
L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily for E=
VPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any questions.

We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. My =
understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscr=
ibed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PWE3 li=
st, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant informa=
tion for the list is:

List address: pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>
Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/
To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals

Thanks,
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<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:&nbsp;</span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:=
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d.sinicrope@ericsson.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:&nbsp;</span>PALS WG on its way =
....<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the =
expectation is that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks=
, and will meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN=
, Wednesday at 13:00. Our WG Secretary,
 David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda items. For those of you=
 that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instea=
d. For those of you that were planning to present at L2VPN, you may be pres=
enting at PALS or at BESS, the latter
 primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any =
questions.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward=
. My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-s=
ubscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PW=
E3 list, you have to sign up for
 the PALS list on your own. The relevant information for the list is:</div>
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Hi working group,

Let me chime a different bell...

(Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I 
won't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)

Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN 
PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing 
devices.". You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the 
definition since the document does obviously not ban the implementation 
of the forwarding plane in hardware.  What do we end up with ?  Answer: 
a virtual PE is... a PE !

So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is 
merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and 
E-VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the 
document is so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or 
already present elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any 
help to implementors or deployers.

Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers 
to list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and 
dataplanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really 
specific to BESS (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to 
some other routing protocol).

Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on 
the servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a 
technical document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such 
an approach. It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced 
to promote the idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a 
marketing venue. [I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may 
not be the most efficient way to market an idea. People have been able 
to build solutions relying on this approach without a new RFC, and able 
to claim that their solution is based on IETF standard RFCs.]

Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever 
that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet 
another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at 
least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid 
just throwing I2RS references around.

At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details 
on the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved 
forward, a fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be 
needed. Given what I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to 
spend energy on that.

Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.

-Thomas



Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>
> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
> not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>
> This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>
>
> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if 
> you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR 
> rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating 
> to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The 
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
> Thank you
>
> M&T
>
> ---
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>
>


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet Extension Solution
        Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
                          Robert Raszuk
                          Susan Hares
                          Yongbing Fan
                          Christian Jacquenet
                          Truman Boyes
                          Brendan Fee
	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2014-10-22

Abstract:
   This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
   based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, which
   can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
   within and/or across data centers.


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Hello Authors,

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   Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt over BGP=
.? I need a better clarity here...

Regards
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the=
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        Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet Extension So=
lution
        Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
                          Robert Raszuk
                          Susan Hares
                          Yongbing Fan
                          Christian Jacquenet
                          Truman Boyes
                          Brendan Fee
	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2014-10-22

Abstract:
   This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
   based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, which
   can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
   within and/or across data centers.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/

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Hi Somasundaram,

Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP. It's an=
 implementation issue.

Best regards,
Xiaohu

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S, Somasundaram
> (Somasundaram)
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
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> Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Hello Authors,
>=20
>=20
>      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally maintaine=
d by
> the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that exported through BGP?
>=20
>    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt over B=
GP.? I
> need a better clarity here...
>=20
> Regards
> Somasundaram
>=20
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>=20
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct=
ories.
>  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of t=
he
> IETF.
>=20
>         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet Extension
> Solution
>         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
>                           Robert Raszuk
>                           Susan Hares
>                           Yongbing Fan
>                           Christian Jacquenet
>                           Truman Boyes
>                           Brendan Fee
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 14
> 	Date            : 2014-10-22
>=20
> Abstract:
>    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
>    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, which
>    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
>    within and/or across data centers.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/
>=20
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
>=20
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
>=20
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Hi Xu, Do you mean to say that "hosts for which arp is learnt will have to =
redistributed to BGP" and that BGP implementation will have to take care of=
 this support (through some policy or do it automatically)?=20

Regards
Somasundaram

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From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:43 PM
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Hi Somasundaram,

Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP. It's an=
 implementation issue.

Best regards,
Xiaohu

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S, Somasundaram
> (Somasundaram)
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
> To: bess@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Hello Authors,
>=20
>=20
>      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally=20
> maintained by the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that exported =
through BGP?
>=20
>    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt=20
> over BGP.? I need a better clarity here...
>=20
> Regards
> Somasundaram
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20
> internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:33 AM
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: bess@ietf.org
> Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct=
ories.
>  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group=20
> of the IETF.
>=20
>         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet Extension
> Solution
>         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
>                           Robert Raszuk
>                           Susan Hares
>                           Yongbing Fan
>                           Christian Jacquenet
>                           Truman Boyes
>                           Brendan Fee
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 14
> 	Date            : 2014-10-22
>=20
> Abstract:
>    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
>    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, which
>    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
>    within and/or across data centers.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/
>=20
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
>=20
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
>=20
>=20
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
> [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:32 PM
> To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Hi Xu, Do you mean to say that "hosts for which arp is learnt will have t=
o
> redistributed to BGP" and that BGP implementation will have to take care =
of this
> support (through some policy or do it automatically)?

Exactly.

Best regards,
Xiaohu

> Regards
> Somasundaram
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:43 PM
> To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
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>=20
> Hi Somasundaram,
>=20
> Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP. It's =
an
> implementation issue.
>=20
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S, Somasundaram
> > (Somasundaram)
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
> > To: bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Hello Authors,
> >
> >
> >      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally
> > maintained by the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that exporte=
d
> through BGP?
> >
> >    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt
> > over BGP.? I need a better clarity here...
> >
> > Regards
> > Somasundaram
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > internet-drafts@ietf.org
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> > Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire=
ctories.
> >  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group
> > of the IETF.
> >
> >         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet Extensio=
n
> > Solution
> >         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
> >                           Robert Raszuk
> >                           Susan Hares
> >                           Yongbing Fan
> >                           Christian Jacquenet
> >                           Truman Boyes
> >                           Brendan Fee
> > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > 	Pages           : 14
> > 	Date            : 2014-10-22
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
> >    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, which
> >    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
> >    within and/or across data centers.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/
> >
> > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
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Can this information be included in the draft?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
> [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:32 PM
> To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Hi Xu, Do you mean to say that "hosts for which arp is learnt will=20
> have to redistributed to BGP" and that BGP implementation will have to=20
> take care of this support (through some policy or do it automatically)?

Exactly.

Best regards,
Xiaohu

> Regards
> Somasundaram
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:43 PM
> To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Hi Somasundaram,
>=20
> Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP.=20
> It's an implementation issue.
>=20
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S,=20
> > Somasundaram
> > (Somasundaram)
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
> > To: bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action:=20
> > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Hello Authors,
> >
> >
> >      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally=20
> > maintained by the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that=20
> > exported
> through BGP?
> >
> >    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt=20
> > over BGP.? I need a better clarity here...
> >
> > Regards
> > Somasundaram
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20
> > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:33 AM
> > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > Cc: bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire=
ctories.
> >  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group=20
> > of the IETF.
> >
> >         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet Extensio=
n
> > Solution
> >         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
> >                           Robert Raszuk
> >                           Susan Hares
> >                           Yongbing Fan
> >                           Christian Jacquenet
> >                           Truman Boyes
> >                           Brendan Fee
> > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > 	Pages           : 14
> > 	Date            : 2014-10-22
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
> >    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, which
> >    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
> >    within and/or across data centers.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/
> >
> > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20
> > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.i=
etf.org.
> >
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> >
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Sound reasonable, Would you please offer some concrete text?

Best regards,
Xiaohu

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> Can this information be included in the draft?
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> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
> > [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:32 PM
> > To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Hi Xu, Do you mean to say that "hosts for which arp is learnt will
> > have to redistributed to BGP" and that BGP implementation will have to
> > take care of this support (through some policy or do it automatically)?
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> Exactly.
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> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
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> > Regards
> > Somasundaram
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:43 PM
> > To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Hi Somasundaram,
> >
> > Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP.
> > It's an implementation issue.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Xiaohu
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S,
> > > Somasundaram
> > > (Somasundaram)
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
> > > To: bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > > Hello Authors,
> > >
> > >
> > >      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally
> > > maintained by the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that
> > > exported
> > through BGP?
> > >
> > >    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt
> > > over BGP.? I need a better clarity here...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Somasundaram
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:33 AM
> > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > > Cc: bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > >
> > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts di=
rectories.
> > >  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group
> > > of the IETF.
> > >
> > >         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet
> Extension
> > > Solution
> > >         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
> > >                           Robert Raszuk
> > >                           Susan Hares
> > >                           Yongbing Fan
> > >                           Christian Jacquenet
> > >                           Truman Boyes
> > >                           Brendan Fee
> > > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > 	Pages           : 14
> > > 	Date            : 2014-10-22
> > >
> > > Abstract:
> > >    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
> > >    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, whi=
ch
> > >    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
> > >    within and/or across data centers.
> > >
> > >
> > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/
> > >
> > > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> > >
> > > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> > >
> > >
> > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools=
.ietf.org.
> > >
> > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> > >
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I am not aware of related IPR.
 
Ning So
972-955-0914


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Support.
 
Wen
 
From: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: l3vpn@ietf.org


Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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<div class="yiv6225527209MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Wen</span></div> 
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Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM<br>
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05<br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org">l3vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
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<br>
Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].<br>
<br>
Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or<br>
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
This poll runs until November the 3rd.<br>
<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05<br>
<br>
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this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
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contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
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Hi, Thomas and BESS -

I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's not to say
that I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text might result in
something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an architecture
document like this to help drive more detailed technical work.

Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that we must publish
it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understanding of its
role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement that it
could be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful work.

Cheers,
-Benson
On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:

> Hi working group,
>
> Let me chime a different bell...
>
> (Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I
> won't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)
>
> Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN PE
> software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.".
> You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition since the
> document does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane
> in hardware.  What do we end up with ?  Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE !
>
> So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is
> merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E-VPN.
> That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the document is
> so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present
> elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implementors
> or deployers.
>
> Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to
> list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and
> dataplanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific
> to BESS (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other
> routing protocol).
>
> Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the
> servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical
> document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach.
> It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the
> idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue.
> [I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most
> efficient way to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions
> relying on this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their
> solution is based on IETF standard RFCs.]
>
> Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever
> that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet
> another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at
> least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid
> just throwing I2RS references around.
>
> At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on
> the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a
> fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what
> I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that.
>
> Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.
>
> -Thomas
>
>
>
> Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:
>
>> Hello Working Group,
>>
>> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>>
>> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
>> not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>>
>> This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>>
>>
>> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you
>> are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see
>> RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to
>> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>>
>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
>> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
>> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The
>> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
>> received from each author and contributor.
>>
>> If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
>> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
>> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> M&T
>>
>> ---
>> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>>
>>
>>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Hi, Thomas and BESS -</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That&#=
39;s not to say that I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text=
 might result in something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to hav=
e an architecture document like this to help drive more detailed technical =
work.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that =
we must publish it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understa=
nding of its role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement=
 that it could be expired and dropped if it doesn&#39;t result in useful wo=
rk. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,<br>
-Benson<br></p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, &quot;Thomas Morin&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com">thomas.morin@orange.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi wor=
king group,<br>
<br>
Let me chime a different bell...<br>
<br>
(Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I won=
&#39;t participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)<br>
<br>
Let me quote the document: &quot;A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN=
 PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.=
&quot;. You can pretty much ignore the &#39;software&#39; part of the defin=
ition since the document does obviously not ban the implementation of the f=
orwarding plane in hardware.=C2=A0 What do we end up with ?=C2=A0 Answer: a=
 virtual PE is... a PE !<br>
<br>
So the notion presented by this document under the &quot;virtual PE&quot; n=
ame is merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E=
-VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the docum=
ent is so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already pres=
ent elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implemento=
rs or deployers.<br>
<br>
Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to =
list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datapla=
nes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BESS =
(e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routing =
protocol).<br>
<br>
Don&#39;t misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on t=
he servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don&#39;t think that a technic=
al document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach=
. It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the=
 idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. =
[I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most effi=
cient way to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions relyi=
ng on this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solutio=
n is based on IETF standard RFCs.]<br>
<br>
Promoting the idea of an &quot;SDN&quot; implementation of PE functions (wh=
atever that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is ye=
t another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at =
least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid ju=
st throwing I2RS references around.<br>
<br>
At this point I&#39;m leaving aside comments that could be made on details =
on the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, =
a fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given wh=
at I explained above, I don&#39;t think it would be worth to spend energy o=
n that.<br>
<br>
Overall, I don&#39;t think that BESS should adopt this document.<br>
<br>
-Thomas<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].<br>
<br>
Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or<br>
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
This poll runs until November the 3rd.<br>
<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br=
>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
---<br>
[1] <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/<u></u>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual=
-pe-05</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: l3vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org>


Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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From: <b>Martin Vigoureux</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcate=
l-lucent.com">martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM<br>
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org">l3vpn@ietf.org</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].<br>
<br>
Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or<br>
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
This poll runs until November the 3rd.<br>
<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br=
>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
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>From the BESS Charter I see

"The BGP Enabled Services (BESS) working group is responsible for
defining, specifying, and extending network services based on BGP"

There are two virtual PE models I am aware of. The first is the multi-tenan=
t model that does not change operations at all, merely moves the VPN functi=
on as is from a physical device to a virtual device. The second is the sing=
le tenant model, which is a PE per customer location. The difference this m=
odel introduces is an explosion in the nmber of PEs and the associated buil=
ding of router reflector hierarchies. Neither, as far as I can see require =
any changes to the BGP protocol. Certainly there are some new ways to provi=
sion things (orchestration).

As a new participant to this group I may be missing much and need to be edu=
cated. However if the group is about extending BGP to support new services =
I am unclear why a virtual PE demands something new and if it does, should =
not the draft specify that?

Chris

On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
 wrote:

> Hi, Thomas and BESS -
>=20
> I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's not to say t=
hat I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text might result in =
something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an architecture=
 document like this to help drive more detailed technical work.
>=20
> Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that we must publi=
sh it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understanding of its =
role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement that it coul=
d be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful work.
>=20
> Cheers,
> -Benson
>=20
> On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:
> Hi working group,
>=20
> Let me chime a different bell...
>=20
> (Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I w=
on't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)
>=20
> Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN PE=
 software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.". =
You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition since the =
document does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane =
in hardware.  What do we end up with ?  Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE !
>=20
> So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is m=
erely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E-VPN. Th=
at explains why the amount of useful technical content in the document is s=
o reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present else=
where). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implementors or de=
ployers.
>=20
> Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers t=
o list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datap=
lanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BES=
S (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routin=
g protocol).
>=20
> Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the=
 servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical doc=
ument is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. It c=
an be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the idea,=
 but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. [I wou=
ld add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most efficient =
way to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions relying on =
this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solution is b=
ased on IETF standard RFCs.]
>=20
> Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever t=
hat means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet anothe=
r question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at least I =
would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid just throw=
ing I2RS references around.
>=20
> At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on=
 the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a =
fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what=
 I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that=
.
>=20
> Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.
>=20
> -Thomas
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:
> Hello Working Group,
>=20
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>=20
> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
> not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>=20
> This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>=20
>=20
> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you=
 are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, se=
e RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l=
3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>=20
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docu=
ment will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>=20
> If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>=20
> Thank you
>=20
> M&T
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For me the key question we should answer is if it does help developers impl=
ement vPE even if there is no new protocol extensions required.

From: Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net<mailto:bensons@queuefull.net=
>>
Date: Thursday 23 October 2014 17:02
To: Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com<mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com>>
Cc: L3VPN <l3vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org>>, "bess@ietf.org<mailto:be=
ss@ietf.org>" <bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05


Hi, Thomas and BESS -

I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's not to say tha=
t I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text might result in so=
mething useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an architecture d=
ocument like this to help drive more detailed technical work.

Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that we must publish=
 it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understanding of its ro=
le in further development activities, and an acknowledgement that it could =
be expired and dropped if it doesn't result in useful work.

Cheers,
-Benson

On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com<mailto:th=
omas.morin@orange.com>> wrote:
Hi working group,

Let me chime a different bell...

(Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I won=
't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)

Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN PE s=
oftware instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.". Yo=
u can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition since the do=
cument does obviously not ban the implementation of the forwarding plane in=
 hardware.  What do we end up with ?  Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE !

So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is mer=
ely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E-VPN. That=
 explains why the amount of useful technical content in the document is so =
reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or already present elsewh=
ere). I doubt that the document will be of any help to implementors or depl=
oyers.

Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to =
list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datapla=
nes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BESS =
(e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routing =
protocol).

Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the s=
ervers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical docum=
ent is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. It can=
 be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced to promote the idea, b=
ut I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a marketing venue. [I would=
 add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may not be the most efficient wa=
y to market an idea. People have been able to build solutions relying on th=
is approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solution is bas=
ed on IETF standard RFCs.]

Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever tha=
t means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet another =
question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at least I wo=
uld expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid just throwin=
g I2RS references around.

At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on t=
he content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a fa=
ir amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what I=
 explained above, I don't think it would be worth to spend energy on that.

Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.

-Thomas



Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:
Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Hi, Thomas and BESS -</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I generally agree with the sentiment expressed below. That's=
 not to say that I object to adoption, because ongoing work on the text mig=
ht result in something useful. And it certainly could be helpful to have an=
 architecture document like this to
 help drive more detailed technical work.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Of course, just because we adopt a draft does not mean that =
we must publish it. I would support adoption of this draft with an understa=
nding of its role in further development activities, and an acknowledgement=
 that it could be expired and dropped
 if it doesn't result in useful work. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,<br>
-Benson<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 22, 2014 10:12 AM, &quot;Thomas Morin&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com">thomas.morin@orange.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi working group,<br>
<br>
Let me chime a different bell...<br>
<br>
(Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I won=
't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)<br>
<br>
Let me quote the document: &quot;A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN=
 PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing devices.=
&quot;. You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the definition si=
nce the document does obviously not ban the
 implementation of the forwarding plane in hardware.&nbsp; What do we end u=
p with ?&nbsp; Answer: a virtual PE is... a PE !<br>
<br>
So the notion presented by this document under the &quot;virtual PE&quot; n=
ame is merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and E=
-VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the docum=
ent is so reduced (i.e. information that it
 neither obvious or already present elsewhere). I doubt that the document w=
ill be of any help to implementors or deployers.<br>
<br>
Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers to =
list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and datapla=
nes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really specific to BESS =
(e.g. it could apply equally to
 e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to some other routing protocol).<br>
<br>
Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on the s=
ervers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a technical docum=
ent is missing to facilitate the implementation of such an approach. It can=
 be argued that an Informational
 RFC can be produced to promote the idea, but I would also challenge this: =
the IETF is not a marketing venue. [I would add that, even if it was, a 20&=
#43; pages RFC may not be the most efficient way to market an idea. People =
have been able to build solutions relying
 on this approach without a new RFC, and able to claim that their solution =
is based on IETF standard RFCs.]<br>
<br>
Promoting the idea of an &quot;SDN&quot; implementation of PE functions (wh=
atever that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is ye=
t another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at =
least I would expect the document to spell
 out the motivations and avoid just throwing I2RS references around.<br>
<br>
At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details on t=
he content, but I think that if this document was to be moved forward, a fa=
ir amount of clarification and editorial work would be needed. Given what I=
 explained above, I don't think
 it would be worth to spend energy on that.<br>
<br>
Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.<br>
<br>
-Thomas<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT&#43;0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].<br>
<br>
Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or<br>
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
This poll runs until November the 3rd.<br>
<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br=
>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
---<br>
[1] <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05" t=
arget=3D"_blank">
http://tools.ietf.org/html/<u></u>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05</a><br>
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Thomas,

	 Maybe this should be viewed as a clearinghouse on technologies, approache=
s etc... that can be utilized when virtualizing. Not sure how that fits..

Jim Uttaro

-----Original Message-----
From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Morin
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:10 AM
To: Martin Vigoureux; L3VPN; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

Hi working group,

Let me chime a different bell...

(Please note well that this feedback is sent without my co-chair hat. I=20
won't participate as a chair in the adoption decision on this draft.)

Let me quote the document: "A virtual PE (vPE) is a BGP/MPLS L3/L2 VPN=20
PE software instance which may reside in any network or computing=20
devices.". You can pretty much ignore the 'software' part of the=20
definition since the document does obviously not ban the implementation=20
of the forwarding plane in hardware.  What do we end up with ?  Answer:=20
a virtual PE is... a PE !

So the notion presented by this document under the "virtual PE" name is=20
merely an implementation choice that can be applied to RFC4364 and=20
E-VPN. That explains why the amount of useful technical content in the=20
document is so reduced (i.e. information that it neither obvious or=20
already present elsewhere). I doubt that the document will be of any=20
help to implementors or deployers.

Similarly, I doubt that it is very helpful to implementors or deployers=20
to list all the split/no-split combinations for the control planes and=20
dataplanes components; and furthermore nothing in that is really=20
specific to BESS (e.g. it could apply equally to e.g. non-VPN BGP, or to=20
some other routing protocol).

Don't misunderstand me, I think that the idea of implementing VRFs on=20
the servers hosting VMs, is great. However, I don't think that a=20
technical document is missing to facilitate the implementation of such=20
an approach. It can be argued that an Informational RFC can be produced=20
to promote the idea, but I would also challenge this: the IETF is not a=20
marketing venue. [I would add that, even if it was, a 20+ pages RFC may=20
not be the most efficient way to market an idea. People have been able=20
to build solutions relying on this approach without a new RFC, and able=20
to claim that their solution is based on IETF standard RFCs.]

Promoting the idea of an "SDN" implementation of PE functions (whatever=20
that means) and/or organic data-plane/control-plane separation is yet=20
another question, but if we were to adopt a document to promote this, at=20
least I would expect the document to spell out the motivations and avoid=20
just throwing I2RS references around.

At this point I'm leaving aside comments that could be made on details=20
on the content, but I think that if this document was to be moved=20
forward, a fair amount of clarification and editorial work would be=20
needed. Given what I explained above, I don't think it would be worth to=20
spend energy on that.

Overall, I don't think that BESS should adopt this document.

-Thomas



Sun Oct 19 2014 21:00:51 GMT+0200 (CEST), Martin Vigoureux:
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>
> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
> not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>
> This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>
>
> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if=20
> you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR=20
> rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating=20
> to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The=20
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
> Thank you
>
> M&T
>
> ---
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>
>

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Hi, Martin -

Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?

I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, 
acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to 
proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other 
than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to 
avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.

Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure 
whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, 
employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm 
also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 
doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear 
to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for 
the IETF.

Thanks for any feedback you can give.
-Benson


> Martin Vigoureux <mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
> October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
> Working Group,
>
> we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure 
> (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against 
> RFC 7024:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/
>
> Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us 
> know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content 
> and/or status).
>
> Thank you
>
> M&T
>

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<br>
Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?<br>
<br>
I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, 
acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to 
proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other 
than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to 
avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.<br>
<br>
Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure 
whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, 
employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm
 also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 
doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear 
to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for 
the IETF.<br>
<br>
Thanks for any feedback you can give.<br>
-Benson<br>
<br>
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href="mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" style="color:#737F92 
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!important;">Martin Vigoureux</a></div>   <div 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">   
  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">October 19, 2014 
at 2:36 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody">Working Group,
<br>
<br>we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure 
(much 
later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/</a>
<br>
<br>Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us 
know 
whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or
 
status).
<br>
<br>Thank you
<br>
<br>M&amp;T
<br>
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Looking at this I am not sure what the problem is ?

If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 authors are associated with the
IPR disclosure neither are even listed in the ack section.

Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.

Anyone can patent anything and this is even patent outside of US.

In any case to see the details one should examine what exactly has been
patented in 2003. Quick patent search around 2003 with the same authors
reveals a few patents for "hub-and-spoke for virtual private networks".

But let's observe that the above is technically slightly different then
"virtual hub and spoke idea" which perhaps some legal skilled folks may not
be able to easily grasp ;-)

Best,
r.


On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser <bensons@queuefull.net>
wrote:

> Hi, Martin -
>
> Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?
>
> I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo,
> acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to
> proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other than
> Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to avoid
> IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.
>
> Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure
> whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR,
> employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm
> also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 doesn't
> seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear to me that
> the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for the IETF.
>
> Thanks for any feedback you can give.
> -Benson
>
>
>   Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
>  October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
> Working Group,
>
> we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure (much
> later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/
>
> Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us know
> whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or
> status).
>
> Thank you
>
> M&T
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small">Looking at this I am=
 not sure what the problem is ?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:s=
mall">If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 authors are associated with =
the IPR disclosure neither are even listed in the ack section.=C2=A0</div><=
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PR statement.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small">Anyone can p=
atent anything and this is even patent outside of US.=C2=A0</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:sma=
ll"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new=
,monospace;font-size:small">In any case to see the details one should exami=
ne what exactly has been patented in 2003. Quick patent search around 2003 =
with the same authors reveals a few patents for &quot;hub-and-spoke for vir=
tual private networks&quot;.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:sma=
ll">But let&#39;s observe that the above is technically slightly different =
then &quot;virtual hub and spoke idea&quot; which perhaps some legal skille=
d folks may not be able to easily grasp ;-)</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-=
size:small">Best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
urier new,monospace;font-size:small">r.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 23, 2=
014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
ensons@queuefull.net" target=3D"_blank">bensons@queuefull.net</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">Hi, Martin -<br>
<br>
Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?<br=
>
<br>
I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo,=20
acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to=20
proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other=20
than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to=20
avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.<br>
<br>
Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I&#39;m not sure=
=20
whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR,=20
employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I&#39;=
m
 also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79=20
doesn&#39;t seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear=
=20
to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for=20
the IETF.<br>
<br>
Thanks for any feedback you can give.<br>
-Benson<br>
<br>
<br>
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  <div style=3D"color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px">Working G=
roup,
<br>
<br>we&#39;ve received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure=
=20
(much=20
later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/</a>
<br>
<br>Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us=20
know=20
whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or
=20
status).
<br>
<br>Thank you
<br>
<br>M&amp;T
<br>
<br></div>
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> On Oct 23, 2014:3:22 PM, at 3:22 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Looking at this I am not sure what the problem is ?=20
>=20
> If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 authors are associated with =
the IPR disclosure neither are even listed in the ack section.=20
>=20
> Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.=20

	Chairs poll the authors and the WG.  Anyone attending the =
meetings, or otherwise =E2=80=9Cparticipating=E2=80=9D is bound by the =
Note Well rules.

> Anyone can patent anything and this is even patent outside of US.=20
>=20
> In any case to see the details one should examine what exactly has =
been patented in 2003. Quick patent search around 2003 with the same =
authors reveals a few patents for "hub-and-spoke for virtual private =
networks".=20
>=20
> But let's observe that the above is technically slightly different =
then "virtual hub and spoke idea" which perhaps some legal skilled folks =
may not be able to easily grasp ;-)

	It is ill advised and strongly discouraged to discuss details of =
IPR on the IETF mailing lists.=20

	=E2=80=94Tom



>=20
> Best,
> r.
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser =
<bensons@queuefull.net <mailto:bensons@queuefull.net>> wrote:
> Hi, Martin -
>=20
> Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options =
here?
>=20
> I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status =
quo, acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing =
to proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something =
other than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new =
RFC?) to avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating =
alternatives.
>=20
> Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not =
sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the =
IPR, employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, =
etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. =
BCP 79 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems =
clear to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem =
for the IETF.
>=20
> Thanks for any feedback you can give.
> -Benson
>=20
>=20
>> 	Martin Vigoureux <mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>	=
October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
>> Working Group,=20
>>=20
>> we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure =
(much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC =
7024:=20
>>=20
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/ =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/>=20
>>=20
>> Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us =
know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content =
and/or status).=20
>>=20
>> Thank you=20
>>=20
>> M&T=20
>>=20
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class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 23, 2014:3:22 PM, at 3:22 PM, Robert Raszuk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" class=3D"">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier=
 new,monospace;font-size:small">Looking at this I am not sure what the =
problem is ?&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier=
 new,monospace;font-size:small">If I am not mistaken none of the RFC7024 =
authors are associated with the IPR disclosure neither are even listed =
in the ack section.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier=
 new,monospace;font-size:small">Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR =
statement.&nbsp;</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Chairs poll the authors and the =
WG. &nbsp;Anyone attending the meetings, or otherwise =
=E2=80=9Cparticipating=E2=80=9D is bound by the Note Well =
rules.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small">Anyone can =
patent anything and this is even patent outside of US.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace;font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace;font-size:small">In any case to see the details one should =
examine what exactly has been patented in 2003. Quick patent search =
around 2003 with the same authors reveals a few patents for =
"hub-and-spoke for virtual private networks".&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace;font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace;font-size:small">But let's observe that the above is =
technically slightly different then "virtual hub and spoke idea" which =
perhaps some legal skilled folks may not be able to easily grasp =
;-)</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>It is ill =
advised and strongly discouraged to discuss details of IPR on the IETF =
mailing lists.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>=E2=80=94Tom</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier=
 new,monospace;font-size:small">Best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace;font-size:small">r.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace;font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, =
Oct 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Benson Schliesser <span dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bensons@queuefull.net" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">bensons@queuefull.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D"">Hi, Martin -<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options =
here?<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo,=20=

acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to=20
proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other=20=

than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to=20=

avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating =
alternatives.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure=20=

whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR,=20=

employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm
 also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79=20
doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear=20=

to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for=20
the IETF.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Thanks for any feedback you can give.<br class=3D"">
-Benson<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote style=3D"border:0px none" type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
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src=3D"cid:part1.05020003.06020102@queuefull.net"></div>   <div =
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   	<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" =
style=3D"color:#737f92!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-d=
ecoration:none!important" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">Martin =
Vigoureux</a></div>   <div =
style=3D"display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle" =
class=3D"">  =20
  <font color=3D"#9FA2A5" class=3D""><span style=3D"padding-left:6px" =
class=3D"">October 19, 2014=20
at 2:36 PM</span></font></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"h5">
  <div style=3D"color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px" =
class=3D"">Working Group,
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR =
disclosure=20
(much=20
later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/</a>
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration =
and let us=20
know=20
whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or
=20
status).
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">Thank you
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">M&amp;T
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D""></div>
</div></div></blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div>
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Hi Benson,

I would say that 1 to 4 are valid options, but it shall be the WG 
deciding the way forward.

Also, as Chairs, we can think of a variety of punitive responses, 
speaking in the general case, but these shall only concern individuals.

-m

Le 23/10/2014 20:22, Benson Schliesser a écrit :
> Hi, Martin -
>
> Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?
>
> I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo,
> acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to
> proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other
> than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to
> avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.
>
> Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure
> whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR,
> employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm
> also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79
> doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear
> to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for
> the IETF.
>
> Thanks for any feedback you can give.
> -Benson
>
>
>> Martin Vigoureux <mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
>> October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
>> Working Group,
>>
>> we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure
>> (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against
>> RFC 7024:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/
>>
>> Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us
>> know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content
>> and/or status).
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> M&T
>>


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Robert

Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a écrit :
> Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.

I do not believe this is the norm.
IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors".

-m


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Ok .. I only based that statement on few recent requests from chairs asking
explicitely only authors to state the IPR knowledge of their docs.

To Tom's point if this is "ill advised and strongly discouraged" to talk
about IPR on the lists what is this thread all about then ? Why it has been
even started ? To blindly say yes or no to content of the IPR disclousure
no one posseses any knowledge of ?

r.


On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux <
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> Robert
>
> Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a =C3=A9crit :
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>> Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.
>>
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> I do not believe this is the norm.
> IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors".
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> -m
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Ok .. I only based that statement on few recent requests from chairs asking=
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if this is &quot;ill advised and strongly discouraged&quot; to talk about I=
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Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.<br>
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I do not believe this is the norm.<br>
IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than &quot;authors&quot;.=
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Thanks, Martin.

Your response makes sense.

In particular, I agree that focusing on individuals is in-line with the 
spirit of the IETF. Unfortunately that might be a structural weakness - 
perhaps even an attack vector - in this context. This comment 
notwithstanding, it probably isn't appropriate for a WG to explore this 
issue in isolation, but rather a topic for broader IETF discussion 
including the IESG, IAB, etc.

As for the more concrete options 1 to 4 that I described, my personal 
choice would be #1. My rationale has to do with IPR issues that aren't 
appropriate for discussion on an IETF list.

Cheers,
-Benson


> Martin Vigoureux <mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
> October 23, 2014 at 5:56 PM
> Hi Benson,
>
> I would say that 1 to 4 are valid options, but it shall be the WG 
> deciding the way forward.
>
> Also, as Chairs, we can think of a variety of punitive responses, 
> speaking in the general case, but these shall only concern individuals.
>
> -m
>
>
> Benson Schliesser <mailto:bensons@queuefull.net>
> October 23, 2014 at 2:22 PM
> Hi, Martin -
>
> Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?
>
> I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status 
> quo, acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing 
> to proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something 
> other than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new 
> RFC?) to avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating 
> alternatives.
>
> Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not 
> sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns 
> the IPR, employees of that company that should have known about the 
> IPR, etc. I'm also not sure what this punitive response would actually 
> be. BCP 79 doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it 
> seems clear to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a 
> problem for the IETF.
>
> Thanks for any feedback you can give.
> -Benson
>
>
> Martin Vigoureux <mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
> October 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
> Working Group,
>
> we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure 
> (much later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against 
> RFC 7024:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/
>
> Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us 
> know whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content 
> and/or status).
>
> Thank you
>
> M&T
>

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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Thanks, Martin.<br>
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Your response makes sense.<br>
<br>
In particular, I agree that focusing on individuals is in-line with the 
spirit of the IETF. Unfortunately that might be a structural weakness - 
perhaps even an attack vector - in this context. This comment 
notwithstanding, it probably isn't appropriate for a WG to explore this 
issue in isolation, but rather a topic for broader IETF discussion 
including the IESG, IAB, etc.<br>
<br>
As for the more concrete options 1 to 4 that I described, my personal 
choice would be #1. My rationale has to do with IPR issues that aren't 
appropriate for discussion on an IETF list.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
-Benson<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="border: 0px none;" 
cite="mid:54497999.8050500@alcatel-lucent.com" type="cite">
  <div style="margin:30px 25px 10px 25px;" class="__pbConvHr"><div 
style="display:table;width:100%;border-top:1px solid 
#EDEEF0;padding-top:5px"> 	<div 
style="display:table-cell;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:6px;"><img
 photoaddress="martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" photoname="Martin 
Vigoureux" src="cid:part1.00080003.02060602@queuefull.net" 
name="compose-unknown-contact.jpg" height="25px" width="25px"></div>   <div
 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:100%">
   	<a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" style="color:#737F92 
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none 
!important;">Martin Vigoureux</a></div>   <div 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">   
  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">October 23, 2014 
at 5:56 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody">Hi Benson,
<br>
<br>I would say that 1 to 4 are valid options, but it shall be the WG 
deciding the way forward.
<br>
<br>Also, as Chairs, we can think of a variety of punitive responses, 
speaking in the general case, but these shall only concern individuals.
<br>
<br>-m
<br>
<br><br></div>
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style="display:table;width:100%;border-top:1px solid 
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style="display:table-cell;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:6px;"><img
 photoaddress="bensons@queuefull.net" photoname="Benson Schliesser" 
src="cid:part2.09040802.06040102@queuefull.net" 
name="postbox-contact.jpg" height="25px" width="25px"></div>   <div 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:100%">
   	<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bensons@queuefull.net" 
style="color:#737F92 
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none 
!important;">Benson Schliesser</a></div>   <div 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">   
  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">October 23, 2014 
at 2:22 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
Hi, Martin -<br>
<br>
Just to be clear, can you elaborate on what you see as the options here?<br>
<br>
I could imagine some combination of choices: 1) keeping the status quo, 
acknowledging that the new IPR has been disclosed, and continuing to 
proceed with the document as-is, 2) changing status to something other 
than Proposed Standard, 3) revising the content (e.g. as a new RFC?) to 
avoid IPR issues that are objectionable, or 4) evaluating alternatives.<br>
<br>
Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response? I'm not sure 
whether this would be against the inventors, company that owns the IPR, 
employees of that company that should have known about the IPR, etc. I'm
 also not sure what this punitive response would actually be. BCP 79 
doesn't seem to outline anything in this direction. But it seems clear 
to me that the recent trends in late IPR disclosure are a problem for 
the IETF.<br>
<br>
Thanks for any feedback you can give.<br>
-Benson<br>
<br>
<br>

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style="display:table;width:100%;border-top:1px solid 
#EDEEF0;padding-top:5px"> 	<div 
style="display:table-cell;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:6px;"><img
 photoaddress="martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" photoname="Martin 
Vigoureux" src="cid:part1.00080003.02060602@queuefull.net" 
name="compose-unknown-contact.jpg" height="25px" width="25px"></div>   <div
 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:100%">
   	<a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" style="color:#737F92 
!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none 
!important;">Martin Vigoureux</a></div>   <div 
style="display:table-cell;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;">   
  <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">October 19, 2014 
at 2:36 PM</span></font></div></div></div>
  <div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;" 
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody">Working Group,
<br>
<br>we've received couple months ago an extremely late IPR disclosure 
(much 
later than what can be expected as per rules in BCP79) against RFC 7024:
<br>
<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2415/</a>
<br>
<br>Please take a careful look at the licensing declaration and let us 
know 
whether this is subject to question RFC 7024 (both in its content and/or
 
status).
<br>
<br>Thank you
<br>
<br>M&amp;T
<br>
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I also support WG adoption for the draft.

Thanks,
Andy


On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Daniele Ceccarelli <
daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote:

>  Yes/Support
>
> Very useful draft for both transport and cloud SDN.
>
> BR
> Daniele
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Martin Vigoureux* <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
> Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM
> Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
> To: l3vpn@ietf.org
>
>
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>
> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
> not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>
> This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>
>
> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you
> are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see
> RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to
> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
> Thank you
>
> M&T
>
> ---
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I also support WG adoption for the draft.<div><br></div><d=
iv>Thanks,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Daniele=
 Ceccarelli <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@eric=
sson.com" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">Yes/Support<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">Very useful draft for both transport and cloud SDN.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"color:=
#1f497d">BR<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Daniele<u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p>
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From: <b>Martin Vigoureux</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcate=
l-lucent.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;=
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Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM<br></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">l3vpn@ietf.org</a><=
br>
<br>
<br>
Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].<br>
<br>
Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or<br>
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
This poll runs until November the 3rd.<br>
<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br=
>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
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[1] <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05" t=
arget=3D"_blank">
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> On Oct 23, 2014:6:08 PM, at 6:08 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Ok .. I only based that statement on few recent requests from chairs =
asking explicitely only authors to state the IPR knowledge of their =
docs.
>=20
> To Tom's point if this is "ill advised and strongly discouraged" to =
talk about IPR on the lists what is this thread all about then ? Why it =
has been even started ? To blindly say yes or no to content of the IPR =
disclousure no one posseses any knowledge of ?=20

	Discussing the IPR policy itself is cool, but the specifics of =
particular patents has been discouraged.=20

	=E2=80=94Tom


>=20
> r.
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux =
<martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com =
<mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:
> Robert
>=20
> Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a =C3=A9crit :
> Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.
>=20
> I do not believe this is the norm.
> IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors".
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> -m
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class=3D"">On Oct 23, 2014:6:08 PM, at 6:08 PM, Robert Raszuk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:robert@raszuk.net" class=3D"">robert@raszuk.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
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class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:small">Ok .. I =
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explicitely only authors to state the IPR knowledge of their =
docs.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'courier =
new',monospace;font-size:small"><br class=3D""></div><div =
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new',monospace;font-size:small">To Tom's point if this is "ill advised =
and strongly discouraged" to talk about IPR on the lists what is this =
thread all about then ? Why it has been even started ? To blindly say =
yes or no to content of the IPR disclousure no one posseses any =
knowledge of ?&nbsp;</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Discussing the IPR policy itself =
is cool, but the specifics of particular patents has been =
discouraged.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>=E2=80=94Tom</div><div><br class=3D""></div><br =
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dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
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class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:'courier =
new',monospace;font-size:small">r.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
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class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux =
<span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" target=3D"_blank" =
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Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a =C3=A9crit :<span class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
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Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.<br class=3D"">
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I do not believe this is the norm.<br class=3D"">
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Hello WG,
I would like to mention and highlight the importance of this draft to move =
forward. For Bell Canada, and operators in general, it is a natural thing t=
o leverage MPLS to address the mobility challenge. The virtual-PE work is v=
ery useful to face these challenges.

As for my contribution, I would like to work with the authors to progress t=
his work in the BESS WG and support for the adoption.

Dan Voyer
Bell Canada




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Support, not aware of IPR.

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Support.

Thanks,

Sami

Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

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Thank you

M&T

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Authors,

we have received questions from some of you on how to handle the 
submission of new revisions of your drafts that fall in the scope of BESS.

The procedure is quite simple:
Please submit those as either draft-ietf-bess-foo-00 if your document is 
already a WG document, or as draft-<individual>-bess-foo-00 if it is not.

In short, when transitioning to BESS, revision number has to be reset to 00.

We will then request the secretariat to mark the old document as 
replaced by the new one in order to keep the history and maintain the link.

For the specific case of documents being polled for adoption it shall be 
possible to directly move from draft-<individual>-<wgname>-foo-xx to 
draft-ietf-bess-foo-00

Thank you

M&T


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this WG LC has now closed, and the draft has passed L2VPN WG Last Call

The draft will be shepherded through the new BESS WG, so I will discuss =
this with the BESS chairs.

Giles

On 10 Oct 2014, at 13:31, Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:

> This email initiates an IETF L2VPN WG Last Call for:
>=20
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-spbm-evpn-01
>=20
> please comment to the list as to the suitability of this draft for =
publication as a Standards Track RFC.=20
>=20
> this last call will close on Friday 24th October 2014.
>=20
> Nabil & Giles


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Additionally for this proposed model to hold good,=20
1: Arp for a hosts will have to be learnt on a PE connected to it immediate=
ly..
2:An arp entry will have to refreshed periodically...

Else the model is broken.
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Sound reasonable, Would you please offer some concrete text?

Best regards,
Xiaohu

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> Can this information be included in the draft?
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> > From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)=20
> > [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:32 PM
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> > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Hi Xu, Do you mean to say that "hosts for which arp is learnt will=20
> > have to redistributed to BGP" and that BGP implementation will have=20
> > to take care of this support (through some policy or do it automaticall=
y)?
>=20
> Exactly.
>=20
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
>=20
> > Regards
> > Somasundaram
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:43 PM
> > To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action:=20
> > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Hi Somasundaram,
> >
> > Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP.
> > It's an implementation issue.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Xiaohu
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S,=20
> > > Somasundaram
> > > (Somasundaram)
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
> > > To: bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > > Hello Authors,
> > >
> > >
> > >      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally=20
> > > maintained by the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that=20
> > > exported
> > through BGP?
> > >
> > >    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt=20
> > > over BGP.? I need a better clarity here...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Somasundaram
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20
> > > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:33 AM
> > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > > Cc: bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > >
> > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts di=
rectories.
> > >  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working=20
> > > Group of the IETF.
> > >
> > >         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet
> Extension
> > > Solution
> > >         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
> > >                           Robert Raszuk
> > >                           Susan Hares
> > >                           Yongbing Fan
> > >                           Christian Jacquenet
> > >                           Truman Boyes
> > >                           Brendan Fee
> > > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > 	Pages           : 14
> > > 	Date            : 2014-10-22
> > >
> > > Abstract:
> > >    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)-
> > >    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, whi=
ch
> > >    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
> > >    within and/or across data centers.
> > >
> > >
> > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/
> > >
> > > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> > >
> > > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-0
> > > 2
> > >
> > >
> > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20
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Yes, your observation is correct.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
> [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 11:32 AM
> To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Additionally for this proposed model to hold good,
> 1: Arp for a hosts will have to be learnt on a PE connected to it immedia=
tely..
> 2:An arp entry will have to refreshed periodically...
>=20
> Else the model is broken.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:25 PM
> To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Sound reasonable, Would you please offer some concrete text?
>=20
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
> > [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:56 PM
> > To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Can this information be included in the draft?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:07 PM
> > To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
> > > [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:32 PM
> > > To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Xu, Do you mean to say that "hosts for which arp is learnt will
> > > have to redistributed to BGP" and that BGP implementation will have
> > > to take care of this support (through some policy or do it automatica=
lly)?
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Xiaohu
> >
> > > Regards
> > > Somasundaram
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:43 PM
> > > To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Somasundaram,
> > >
> > > Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP.
> > > It's an implementation issue.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Xiaohu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S,
> > > > Somasundaram
> > > > (Somasundaram)
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
> > > > To: bess@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > >
> > > > Hello Authors,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally
> > > > maintained by the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that
> > > > exported
> > > through BGP?
> > > >
> > > >    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32 learnt
> > > > over BGP.? I need a better clarity here...
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Somasundaram
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:33 AM
> > > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > > > Cc: bess@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> > > >  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working
> > > > Group of the IETF.
> > > >
> > > >         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet
> > Extension
> > > > Solution
> > > >         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
> > > >                           Robert Raszuk
> > > >                           Susan Hares
> > > >                           Yongbing Fan
> > > >                           Christian Jacquenet
> > > >                           Truman Boyes
> > > >                           Brendan Fee
> > > > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > > 	Pages           : 14
> > > > 	Date            : 2014-10-22
> > > >
> > > > Abstract:
> > > >    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)=
-
> > > >    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, w=
hich
> > > >    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
> > > >    within and/or across data centers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet/
> > > >
> > > > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> > > >
> > > > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-=
0
> > > > 2
> > > >
> > > >
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Believe this has to go down as a limitation.?

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From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]=20
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 9:30 AM
To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt

Yes, your observation is correct.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)
> [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 11:32 AM
> To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Additionally for this proposed model to hold good,
> 1: Arp for a hosts will have to be learnt on a PE connected to it immedia=
tely..
> 2:An arp entry will have to refreshed periodically...
>=20
> Else the model is broken.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:25 PM
> To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
>=20
> Sound reasonable, Would you please offer some concrete text?
>=20
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)=20
> > [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:56 PM
> > To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action:=20
> > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> > Can this information be included in the draft?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:07 PM
> > To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action:=20
> > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram)=20
> > > [mailto:somasundaram.s@alcatel-lucent.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:32 PM
> > > To: Xuxiaohu; bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Xu, Do you mean to say that "hosts for which arp is learnt will=20
> > > have to redistributed to BGP" and that BGP implementation will=20
> > > have to take care of this support (through some policy or do it autom=
atically)?
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Xiaohu
> >
> > > Regards
> > > Somasundaram
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Xuxiaohu [mailto:xuxiaohu@huawei.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:43 PM
> > > To: S, Somasundaram (Somasundaram); bess@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Somasundaram,
> > >
> > > Those locally connected /32 host routes are redistributed into BGP.
> > > It's an implementation issue.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Xiaohu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of S,=20
> > > > Somasundaram
> > > > (Somasundaram)
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:08 PM
> > > > To: bess@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action:
> > > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > >
> > > > Hello Authors,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >      I understand that the /32 routes (host routes) are locally=20
> > > > maintained by the routers after ARP resolution. But how is that=20
> > > > exported
> > > through BGP?
> > > >
> > > >    Referring to vrf_A on PE1 of Figure 2) how is 1.1.1.3/32=20
> > > > learnt over BGP.? I need a better clarity here...
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Somasundaram
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20
> > > > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:33 AM
> > > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > > > Cc: bess@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: [bess] I-D Action:=20
> > > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20
> > > > Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> > > >  This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working=20
> > > > Group of the IETF.
> > > >
> > > >         Title           : Virtual Subnet: A L3VPN-based Subnet
> > Extension
> > > > Solution
> > > >         Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
> > > >                           Robert Raszuk
> > > >                           Susan Hares
> > > >                           Yongbing Fan
> > > >                           Christian Jacquenet
> > > >                           Truman Boyes
> > > >                           Brendan Fee
> > > > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02.txt
> > > > 	Pages           : 14
> > > > 	Date            : 2014-10-22
> > > >
> > > > Abstract:
> > > >    This document describes a Layer3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN)=
-
> > > >    based subnet extension solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, w=
hich
> > > >    can be used for building Layer3 network virtualization overlays
> > > >    within and/or across data centers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet
> > > > /
> > > >
> > > > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet-02
> > > >
> > > > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-l3vpn-virtual-subnet
> > > > -0
> > > > 2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time=20
> > > > of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at =
tools.ietf.org.
> > > >
> > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > BESS@ietf.org
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > BESS@ietf.org
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess


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Hi everyone,

We are concerned by the reduced support for this document, now that an 
IPR disclosure has been made against it ; in particular compared to the 
support expressed during the initial call for adoption.

This call is thus extended to Nov 4th.

Thank you for your understanding,

-Thomas and Martin


Tue Oct 07 2014 15:54:01 GMT+0200 (CEST), Thomas Morin:
> Hello working group,
>
> At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both
> draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and
> draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of
> the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from
> satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably
> possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular
> because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure
> reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for
> adoption in June.
>
> The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new
> poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2].
>
> Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether
> this document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please
> motivate your opinion.
>
> Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to
> renewed WG consensus.
>
> Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before
> **October the 21th**.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Thomas & Martin,
> l3vpn chairs
>
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1
> [2]
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03
> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/
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Hi Robert, everyone,

It is fully up to each individual to make sure that he/she complies with 
IETF IPR rules.

As we do in l3vpn/bess, some chairs take the additional steps of making 
sure authors did not forget to comply with these rules, through a 
reminder question.  Let's be clear that even without such a question, 
the rules still apply to everyone.

Note that the rules in RFC3979 may impose disclosure to all 
participants, including people not co-author of a draft.

The best is for everyone to read RFC3979.

-Thomas



2014-10-24, Martin Vigoureux:
> Robert
>
> Le 23/10/2014 21:22, Robert Raszuk a écrit :
>> Chairs normally ask only authors for IPR statement.
>
> I do not believe this is the norm.
> IETF IPR policies concern a broader set of people than "authors".
>
> -m
>


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Hi Benson, all,

2014-10-23, Benson Schliesser:
> Are you also aware of any options for a punitive response?

You can read RFC6701.

> I'm not sure whether this would be against the inventors, company that 
> owns the IPR, employees of that company that should have known about 
> the IPR, etc.

Well, RFC3979 is focused on individuals rather than their employers...

-Thomas


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Hi Robert,

2014-10-23, Robert Raszuk:
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> [...] this is even patent outside of US.

The fact that the patent subject of this IPR was made outside the US 
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Encoding mLDP FECs in the NLRI of BGP MCAST-VPN Routes
        Authors         : IJsbrand Wijnands
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Uwe Joorde
	Filename        : draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-07.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2014-10-27

Abstract:
   Many service providers offer "BGP/MPLS IP VPN" service to their
   customers.  Existing IETF standards specify the procedures and
   protocols that a service provider uses in order to offer this service
   to customers who have IP unicast and IP multicast traffic in their
   VPNs.  It is also desirable to be able to support customers who have
   MPLS multicast traffic in their VPNs.  This document specifies the
   procedures and protocol extensions that are needed to support
   customers who use the Multicast Extensions to Label Distribution
   Protocol (mLDP) as the control protocol for their MPLS multicast
   traffic.  Existing standards do provide some support for customers
   who use mLDP, but only under a restrictive set of circumstances.
   This document generalizes the existing support to include all cases
   where the customer uses mLDP, without any restrictions.  This
   document updates RFC 6514.



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Thomas,

I'd like to request 5 min for latest updates to draft & request for the
last call:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-multihoming-07

Thanks

Senad
On Oct 20, 2014 2:38 AM, <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We're pleased to have BESS meet for  the first time, during next IETF in
> Honolulu (the Wednesday morning).
>
> Please send us, *before Monday 27th*, your slot presentation requests
> indicating draft name, presenter name, and the time needed for the
> presentation.
>
> Note well that with BESS created, we will cover in BESS a few things
> that would have been presented in L2VPN in previous meetings, in
> particular E-VPN related proposals.
>
> We have a 2.5h meeting, which is not short, but may possibly not be
> enough to satisfy all requests; we won't compensate by reducing all
> time slots, but we will be selective and favor topics that will most
> benefit from face to face time and topics which have been discussed on the
> list.
>
> Martin & Thomas,
> bess chairs
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Thomas,</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d like to request 5 min for latest updates to draft &a=
mp; request for the last call:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls=
-multihoming-07">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-multihom=
ing-07</a></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Thanks </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Senad</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 20, 2014 2:38 AM,  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
thomas.morin@orange.com">thomas.morin@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"=
attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
We&#39;re pleased to have BESS meet for=C2=A0 the first time, during next I=
ETF in Honolulu (the Wednesday morning).<br>
<br>
Please send us, *before Monday 27th*, your slot presentation requests indic=
ating draft name,=C2=A0presenter name, and the time needed for the presenta=
tion.<br>
<br>
Note well that with BESS created, we will cover in BESS a few things=C2=A0<=
br>
that would have been presented in L2VPN in previous meetings, in=C2=A0<br>
particular E-VPN related proposals.<br>
<br>
We have a 2.5h meeting, which is not short, but may possibly not be=C2=A0<b=
r>
enough to satisfy all requests; we won&#39;t compensate by reducing all tim=
e=C2=A0slots, but we will be selective and favor topics that will most bene=
fit=C2=A0from face to face time and topics which have been discussed on the=
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<br>
Martin &amp; Thomas,<br>
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___________________________________________________________________________=
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Support.=20

Linda Dunbar

-----Original Message-----
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Cc: draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org; bess ADs; draft-=
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Subject: [bess] Extended to Nov 4th: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-=
l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure

Hi everyone,

We are concerned by the reduced support for this document, now that an IPR =
disclosure has been made against it ; in particular compared to the support=
 expressed during the initial call for adoption.

This call is thus extended to Nov 4th.

Thank you for your understanding,

-Thomas and Martin


Tue Oct 07 2014 15:54:01 GMT+0200 (CEST), Thomas Morin:
> Hello working group,
>
> At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both=20
> draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and=20
> draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of=20
> the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from=20
> satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably=20
> possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular=20
> because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure=20
> reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for=20
> adoption in June.
>
> The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new=20
> poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2].
>
> Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether=20
> this document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please=20
> motivate your opinion.
>
> Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to=20
> renewed WG consensus.
>
> Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before=20
> **October the 21th**.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Thomas & Martin,
> l3vpn chairs
>
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1
> [2]
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03
> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : L2L3 VPN Multicast MIB
        Author          : Zhaohui Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-00.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2014-10-27

Abstract:
   This memo defines an experimental portion of the Management
   Information Base for use with network management protocols in the
   Internet community.

   In particular, it describes managed objects common to both VPLS and
   VPN Multicast.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : MPLS/BGP Layer 3 VPN Multicast Management Information Base
        Authors         : Saud Asif
                          Andy Green
                          Sameer Gulrajani
                          Pradeep G. Jain
                          Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-00.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2014-10-24

Abstract:
   This memo defines an portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.

   In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
   monitor multicast in MPLS/BGP-based Layer-3 VPN (MVPN) on an MVPN
   router.



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Support.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Morin
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:46 AM
> To: bess
> Cc: draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org; bess ADs;
> draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes@tools.ietf.org
> Subject: [bess] Extended to Nov 4th: New Poll for adoption on draft-
> bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure
>=20
> Hi everyone,
>=20
> We are concerned by the reduced support for this document, now that an
> IPR disclosure has been made against it ; in particular compared to the
> support expressed during the initial call for adoption.
>=20
> This call is thus extended to Nov 4th.
>=20
> Thank you for your understanding,
>=20
> -Thomas and Martin
>=20
>=20
> Tue Oct 07 2014 15:54:01 GMT+0200 (CEST), Thomas Morin:
> > Hello working group,
> >
> > At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both
> > draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and
> > draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of
> > the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from
> > satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably
> > possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular
> > because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure
> > reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for
> > adoption in June.
> >
> > The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new
> > poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2].
> >
> > Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether
> > this document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please
> > motivate your opinion.
> >
> > Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to
> > renewed WG consensus.
> >
> > Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before
> > **October the 21th**.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Thomas & Martin,
> > l3vpn chairs
> >
> > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1
> > [2]
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03
> > [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/
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Hi everyone,

You can find our *draft* agenda at:
    http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess

Note well that this agenda is subject to change.
Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments.

Best,

-Thomas & Martin


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Hi Thomas,

I wasn=B9t aware yesterday=B9s timeline for time slot request is a hard one
:-) I have a few drafts that I=B9d like to discuss during the session and I
don=B9t know how many other people are in my shoes. Given that we have L2VP=
N
session at our disposal, can we have another BESS session in that slot if
we have enough materials to warrant another session?

Cheers,
Ali



On 10/28/14, 8:21 AM, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>You can find our *draft* agenda at:
>    http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess
>
>Note well that this agenda is subject to change.
>Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments.
>
>Best,
>
>-Thomas & Martin
>
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Hi Ali,

The working group draft agendas where due *yesterday*, for all working 
groups, which is why Monday 27th was the deadline we indicated in our 
call for presentations.

The L2VPN slot will be taken by PALS, so we don't have an option to take 
this slot to satisfy late request for meeting time.

Best,

-Thomas






2014-10-28, Ali Sajassi (sajassi):
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I wasn¹t aware yesterday¹s timeline for time slot request is a hard one
> :-) I have a few drafts that I¹d like to discuss during the session and I
> don¹t know how many other people are in my shoes. Given that we have L2VPN
> session at our disposal, can we have another BESS session in that slot if
> we have enough materials to warrant another session?
>
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
>
>
> On 10/28/14, 8:21 AM, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> You can find our *draft* agenda at:
>>     http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess
>>
>> Note well that this agenda is subject to change.
>> Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -Thomas & Martin
>>
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WG,

please be aware of this AD statement.

-m


-------- Message original --------
Sujet: 	AD statement on development of IETF-standard routing-related
YANG models
Date : 	Wed, 29 Oct 2014 09:57:28 -0400
De : 	Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Pour : 	netmod@ietf.org <netmod@ietf.org>, Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
<Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org>, routing-discussion@ietf.org
<routing-discussion@ietf.org>



Development of standardized YANG models has seriously increased this
year.  Of course, this is a good problem to have. There are close to 30
different drafts related to YANG models for routing; coordination
between these drafts is necessary.  NETMOD is also hard at work on a
backwards-compatible YANG 1.1.  From the IETF's experience with
developing MIBs, it was critical to have the domain-area experts
involved in writing and reviewing MIBs and we believe that it is
similarly critical to situate the work on YANG models in the working
groups where the appropriate domain-experts can be easily found.
Actively encouraging and cultivating the review of those with the
expertise in modeling with YANG and deep understanding of its features
is also critical to the success of standardized YANG models.  This
expertise is found in the NETMOD working group and among the YANG
doctors (https://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/yang-doctors.html).

We, as the Routing and Ops and Management Area Directors, would like to
see work proceed as follows.

1) The mailing list, rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
<mailto:rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org>, has been created to coordinate among
the different routing YANG models and drafts.  For instance, there may
be common groupings to be defined, interactions between models to be
determined, and so on.  To facilitate this coordination work, we are
developing a job description for a secretary for the mailing list and
hope to appoint someone to that role.

2) Routing-related YANG models must be targeted for adoption at the
appropriate WGs in the Routing Area.  If the appropriate WG is unclear,
please bring the question to the RTGWG and the rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
<mailto:rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org> mailing list.  RTGWG can either direct
where the work goes or, if there is no appropriate other WG, make a
decision about adopting the draft.

3) The NETMOD charter has been open to accept work item that don't fall
under the responsibility of an existing WGs:

     The NETMOD WG may also develop any additional data models written in
     YANG that the WG considers core building blocks and that do not fall
     under the charters of other active IETF working groups. The NETMOD
     WG may simply add such milestones as it sees fit, with the advice
     and consent of the responsible AD.

In case of routing-related YANG models, even if there are no responsible
existing WG, it's expected that the standardization happens in the RTGWG.

4) It is common and expected that sometimes work needs to be discussed
in multiple WGs, even though it is only adopted in one.  Examples would
include NETMOD discussing a model for OSPF to consider how it relates to
draft-ietf-netmod-routing-cfg, RTGWG discussing
draft-ietf-netmod-routing-cfg to encourage review and discussion about
its use as a base for routing-related models, etc.

5) We have heard a strong desire from the community to rapidly encourage
development of standardized YANG models.  Towards that end, we expect
and encourage more and frequent virtual interims (some probably joint
between WGs).  To have such a pace work well, we need authors,
reviewers, and contributors to expect to spend time on this work on an
on-going basis.

6) Since many YANG doctors also participate in NETMOD and since NETMOD
is having weekly virtual interims, it may prove convenient to provide
feedback on YANG models in this forum.  When done so, to ensure the
interested parties are aware of the relevant models to be discussed and
can arrange their schedules to call in, the agenda should be forwarded
with at least a week's to the rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
<mailto:rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org> and to the relevant WGs. When the
virtual interim is used to provide YANG doctor feedback, preference
should be given to drafts already adopted by a WG; discussing one model
does not imply partiality or a request to the WG appropriate to consider
adopting the draft.

7) To provide a common location to find proposed YANG models and be able
to verify their accuracy, Tom Nadeau, one of the NETMOD chairs, has set
up a GitHub repository at: https://github.com/YangModels/yang.  All work
contributed to it is subject to the IETF Contributions policy, as
summarized via the very very familiar IETF Note Well.
8) For the second IETF meeting in a row, a "YANG Advice and Editing
Session" (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/tutorials/yang-session.html)is
organized on the Sunday before the IETF meeting. This is your chance to
sit down with a YANG doctor and to get feedback on your YANG module.

If you have any questions, please let us know.

Regards,
Alia, Benoit, Adrian, & Joel



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Support

Best Regards,
Shunwan

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Hi everyone,

We are concerned by the reduced support for this document, now that an=20
IPR disclosure has been made against it ; in particular compared to the=20
support expressed during the initial call for adoption.

This call is thus extended to Nov 4th.

Thank you for your understanding,

-Thomas and Martin


Tue Oct 07 2014 15:54:01 GMT+0200 (CEST), Thomas Morin:
> Hello working group,
>
> At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both
> draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and
> draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of
> the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from
> satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably
> possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular
> because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure
> reminder question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for
> adoption in June.
>
> The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new
> poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2].
>
> Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether
> this document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please
> motivate your opinion.
>
> Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to
> renewed WG consensus.
>
> Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before
> **October the 21th**.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Thomas & Martin,
> l3vpn chairs
>
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1
> [2]
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03
> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/
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Support and am not aware of any IPR.

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Hi All,
I=92m still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post the ag=
enda on the meeting materials web pages.

In the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for Honolulu.
If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please=
 complete the form below and send it in reply to this email.
If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the form be=
low and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 October 2014 12:00 =
EDT.
*** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the a=
genda quickly and accurately.

Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than M=
onday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu time.
If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot.
Thanks!
Dave


**********************************************************************
IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4
(45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.)
**********************************************************************
Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis
Secretary: David Sinicrope
(x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT)

x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRY=
ANT


x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-pals-pw-fec-label-request
Objective:  First submission, asking for feedback


x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires - =
Andy MALIS
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shawam-pwe3-ms-pw-protection-02
Objective: Update showing new solution based on received comments from the =
previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption request.


x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal
Objective: Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how they=
 were addressed or will be addressed.

**********************************************************************
Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.)
**********************************************************************

xx. - None currently

**********************************************************************
REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)
**********************************************************************
Remote Participation Info:
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/remote-participation.html

- No WebEx
- Audio and Jabber are TBD


On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.=
com<mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>> wrote:

Hi All,
Time to request presentation slots for IETF 91.

If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please reply =
to this email (subject intact) completing the form below.   If L2VPNers are=
n't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send i=
n a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded with a=
 copy to the requester.  (See Andy=92s email below.)

Please use this form and please reply to this email.

- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):
- draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth=
-oam-iwk/):
- brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re=
solved via the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to address secu=
rity issues and get direction from the WG):
- requested duration (norm is 10 min):
- speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE):

Thanks!
Dave


From: Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>" <pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org<mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>>, "l2vpn@ietf.org<mail=
to:l2vpn@ietf.org>" <l2vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org>>, Stewart Bryant=
 <stbryant@cisco.com<mailto:stbryant@cisco.com>>, David A Sinicrope <david.=
sinicrope@ericsson.com<mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>>
Subject: PALS WG on its way ....

If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is th=
at PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will meet i=
n Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday at 13=
:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda i=
tems. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be pre=
senting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to present at =
L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily for E=
VPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any questions.

We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. My =
understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscr=
ibed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PWE3 li=
st, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant informa=
tion for the list is:

List address: pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>
Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/
To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals

Thanks,
Andy


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<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Hi All,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I=92m still waiting on the t=
ools to catch up with the new WG to post the agenda on the meeting material=
s web pages.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">In the meantime, below is th=
e draft PALS agenda for Honolulu.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">If you requested a slot and =
I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please complete the form below and=
 send it in reply to this email.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">If you haven=92t requested a=
 slot and need one, please complete the form below and send it in reply to =
this email no later than<b> 31 October 2014 12:00 EDT</b>.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">*** Taking a couple of minut=
es to complete the form helps me complete the agenda quickly and accurately=
. &nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Those that have slots alloca=
ted, please send me your slides no later than Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Hono=
lulu time.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">If I don=92t have your slide=
s by that time, you risk losing your slot.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Thanks!</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Dave</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">***********************************************=
***********************</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 1=
3:00 - 15:00 Coral 4</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">(45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time =
adjustments.)</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">***********************************************=
***********************</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis</font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">Secretary: David Sinicrope</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">(x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30=
, 2014 19:00 EDT)</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status =
- Andy MALIS and Stewart BRYANT</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE</font=
></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette=
-pals-pw-fec-label-request</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">Objective: &nbsp;First submission, asking for f=
eedback</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static =
Multi-Segment Pseudowires - Andy MALIS</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shawam-pwe3-ms=
-pw-protection-02</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">Objective: Update showing new solution based on=
 received comments from the previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption r=
equest.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseu=
dowires - Stewart BRYANT</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3=
-vccv-for-gal</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">Objective: Discuss comments and get some workin=
g group feedback on how they were addressed or will be addressed.</font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">***********************************************=
***********************</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.)</=
font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">***********************************************=
***********************</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">xx. - None currently</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">***********************************************=
***********************</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)</fon=
t></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">***********************************************=
***********************</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">Remote Participation Info:&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/remote-participa=
tion.html</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">- No WebEx</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Courier">- Audio and Jabber are TBD</font></div>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"=
>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:david.sinicrope@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">david=
.sinicrope@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Hi All,<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Time to =
request presentation slots for IETF 91. &nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br>
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style=3D"col=
or: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;">If yo=
u need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please
<b>reply to this email </b>(subject intact) completing the form below. &nbs=
p;<u></u><u></u></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Ari=
al, sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;">&nbsp;I</span>f L2VPNers aren't sure if=
 their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS,
 they can send in a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be =
forwarded with a copy to the requester. &nbsp;(See Andy=92s email below.)</=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Times New Rom=
an',serif;font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:medium"><br>
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Times New Rom=
an',serif;font-size:12pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:medium">Please use this form and=
 please reply to this email.</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif;line-height:11.25pt">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">- topic =
(e.g.,&nbsp;<span>MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):<u></u><u></u></span>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">- draft =
URL (e.g.,&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-=
mpls-eth-oam-iwk/" style=3D"color:purple" target=3D"_blank">http://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk/</a>):
 &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">- brief =
statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and resolved v=
ia the presentation during the meeting &nbsp;(e.g., need to address securit=
y issues and get direction from the WG):
 &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">- reques=
ted duration (norm is 10 min): &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">- speake=
r Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Thanks!<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Dave</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br>
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br>
</span></p>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;border-width:1pt medium me=
dium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(=
181,196,223)">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:&nbsp;</span>Andrew Malis &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date:&nbsp;</span>Friday, October 17, 2014=
 at 3:25 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:&nbsp;</span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pa=
ls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pals@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:pals@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pals@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:&nbsp;</span>&quot;IETF.PWE3&quot; &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:pwe3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pwe3@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &=
quot;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">l2vpn@ietf.org</a>=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l2vpn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">l2vpn@ietf.o=
rg</a>&gt;,
 Stewart Bryant &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stbryant@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>stbryant@cisco.com</a>&gt;, David A Sinicrope &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:david.=
sinicrope@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">david.sinicrope@ericsson.com</a>&=
gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:&nbsp;</span>PALS WG on its way ..=
..<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the =
expectation is that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks=
, and will meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN=
, Wednesday at 13:00. Our WG Secretary,
 David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda items. For those of you=
 that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instea=
d. For those of you that were planning to present at L2VPN, you may be pres=
enting at PALS or at BESS, the latter
 primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any =
questions.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward=
. My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-s=
ubscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PW=
E3 list, you have to sign up for
 the PALS list on your own. The relevant information for the list is:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">List =
address:&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_blank">pals@ietf.org</a><br sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Archive:&n=
bsp;</span><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/" style=3D"=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_blank">http://www.i=
etf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/</a><br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif=
;font-size:13px">
<span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">To subscri=
be:&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals" styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals</a><br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-=
serif;font-size:13px">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andy</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
BESS mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:BESS@ietf.org">BESS@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess</a><br>
<br>
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Support as co-author. I am not aware of related IPRs.

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Support as co-author.  I'm not aware of related IPRs.


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I support the adoption, as a co-author. I am not aware of any relevant IPR.

- Dhananjaya

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Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM
Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: l3vpn@ietf.org<mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org>


Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual=
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To: <a href=3D"mailto:l3vpn@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">l3vpn@ietf.org</a><=
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<br>
Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].<br>
<br>
Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or<br>
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
This poll runs until November the 3rd.<br>
<br>
<br>
Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a=
re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see =
RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v=
pn-virtual-pe-05<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume=
nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br=
>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
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[1] <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05" t=
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