From nobody Sat Nov 1 21:29:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205441A6F8F for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:29:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7jil1GYMgpu for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yh0-x235.google.com (mail-yh0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D99931A6F8D for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id v1so816168yhn.26 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 21:29:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XuS/yWyRrsT7uicIkTuYQbjpOVnqlkrKHyGgAsPWoAA=; b=NLFKkZXon52QBqlb8Uv9hBsL5PVCLEpThG3L+pNNSMn5X7AugRjKwhe2iXyAEA7dvr fnHlqK/JCZ+2wbxeN9Kb96JSKhfcpHtYDiglYD82ko6GkeUBUpJiXk3XCnbb83JXhgO0 X+waH++iOeFeWWJT3d+W+5wYc1iqB0flmYtKY50Bon0MH3zKl0JKuMGHDY20/ybbQQ16 +PUXOzEuOLrewKsuKPbagiV8bJJ2xnAUinDavvzQQeJNjsawwSto+EOZsp4y/w9r6ebl 9xXO8R+JxCjrbJ7Si6icAxExIPa0zZundwD16Ez6wHzu+8zxqv25Tkb9JaYHx6i7rBIt 3dBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.187.143 with SMTP id d137mr16359235yke.5.1414902580184; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 21:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.86.133 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:29:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 00:29:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Luyuan Fang To: bess@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113942c8af0ccd0506d8adcf Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/xa4Rw-0g9LvyrjtbtaE7OG67yjg Subject: [bess] Fwd: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 04:29:43 -0000 --001a113942c8af0ccd0506d8adcf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:46 AM Subject: Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 To: Martin Vigoureux , "l3vpn@ietf.org" Support. -Ali On 10/19/14, 12:00 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" wrote: >Hello Working Group, > >This email starts a two-week poll on adopting >draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > >Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > >This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > >Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if >you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR >rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to >draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant >IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The >document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >received from each author and contributor. > >If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or >contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > >Thank you > >M&T > >--- >[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > --001a113942c8af0ccd0506d8adcf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded messag= e ----------
From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:46 AM=
Subject: Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: M= artin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l3vpn@ietf.org" <= l3vpn@ietf.org><= br>


Support.

-Ali

On 10/19/14, 12:00 PM, "Martin Vigoureux"
<martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>Hello Working Group,
>
>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>
>Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>
>This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>
>
>Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if >you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR >rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to=
>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>
>If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to=
>this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
>IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The >document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >received from each author and contributor.
>
>If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author o= r
>contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of an= y
>IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>Thank you
>
>M&T
>
>---
>[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe= -05
>
>


--001a113942c8af0ccd0506d8adcf-- From nobody Sat Nov 1 21:30:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551671A6F9A for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:30:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sY5m32Um34G for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x229.google.com (mail-yk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBC2B1A6F8F for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 142so4353281ykq.28 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Aeugts3dbJ/bdKtpsPSiUlUwd0iclEvUFFpTOIhde6Q=; b=eDiyZCDgDvnAmaBe8Z2M2dOzUhhFiTSrUeqBW1D9U2PSVsC1THzJ5dNL8LhrDHhG63 Fr0rClqqaTTFArB/V0c6udGMKeuwTwIzAVA8VRssX3pcDObQHBJylEjkOo7IEpt7fxIi tvkeIWOk4Zi0m+GxPps0pVsZyybcBOjaxVwGJpqeugSiDpadXDQzFfUeD5CndcopNOx/ pTGsEPRh66TDKbsm8PbrerRp3SNTH227tAWOsBkdzTH0H7KjBUEbubLnOA4ZJ5jFcwmj kINq246apBDV09HWCTxNPEjEJRbvyJIJaJp1x0Q5x1nnYUWDBMQJI5fST5IQAYlQuEdN aONQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.71.8 with SMTP id n8mr33303200ykn.63.1414902618152; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.86.133 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:30:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 00:30:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: Luyuan Fang To: bess@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1139c8d2f265f90506d8af43 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/8V6bNyVRXQaArj5rvxt7ep0gNr8 Subject: [bess] Fwd: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 04:30:21 -0000 --001a1139c8d2f265f90506d8af43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Luay Jalil Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:21 AM Subject: Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 To: Martin Vigoureux Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org Support Luay On Oct 19, 2014 2:01 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" < martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you > are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > > --001a1139c8d2f265f90506d8af43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded messag= e ----------
From: Luay Jalil <luayjalil@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: WG adop= tion poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@alcatel= -lucent.com>
Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org=


Support

Luay

On Oct 19, 2014 2:01 PM, "Martin Vigoureux&= quot; <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3v= pn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The docume= nt will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

---
[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual= -pe-05



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Thanks weiguo ________________________________________ =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: L3VPN [l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Bitar, Nabil N [ nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com] =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8817=E6=97=A5 11= :12 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; l3vpn@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements@tools.ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requ= irements support. Thanks, Nabil ________________________________________ From: L3VPN [l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Morin [ thomas.morin@orange.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:50 AM To: l3vpn@ietf.org Cc: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements@tools.ietf.org Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements Hello working group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements [1] as a working group item. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in the later case, please also state the reasons). This poll runs until **September 19th**. *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). =3D=3D> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG mailing list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you, Martin & Thomas l3vpn chairs [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-03 --001a1130cc8271abfe0506d8c598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded messag= e ----------
From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:49 AM
Subject: =E7=AD=94= =E5=A4=8D: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements
T= o: "Bitar, Nabil N" <nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com>, Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com>, "l3vpn@ietf.org" <l3vpn@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-r= equirements@tools.ietf.org" <draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requir= ements@tools.ietf.org>


Support.
Thanks
weiguo

________________________________________
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: L3VPN [l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Bitar, Nabil N [nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8817=E6=97=A5 11= :12
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; l3vpn@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements@tools.ietf.org=
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requ= irements

support.

Thanks,
Nabil
________________________________________
From: L3VPN [l3vpn-bounces@ietf.o= rg] On Behalf Of Thomas Morin [thomas.morin@orange.com]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:50 AM
To: l3vpn@ietf.org
Cc: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements

Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements [1] as a working group item.

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until **September 19th**.


*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
and 5378 for more details).

=3D=3D> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
relevant IPR.

The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
each author and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG mailing list but are not listed as an author
or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of
any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you,

Martin & Thomas
l3vpn chairs

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn= -end-system-requirements-03

--001a1130cc8271abfe0506d8c598-- From nobody Sat Nov 1 21:39:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5840B1A6F98 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:39:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZifzU5IzdeTr for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x230.google.com (mail-yk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D9A91A6F90 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 10so4287655ykt.7 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 21:39:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=whBAH/Lg+Fkgu6ieFjWcbuJ5XNwGyjIYhfXdXUeQvAg=; b=V31MxEIaqFXijiSfZ3MpgVr87VaMLgWepZR8Jy9+3vYHFOuxJX38ZFjBlvWjyVxirN J1etxO/8xIYykjUv6UpA2nOfKQzKi3h9iPU3DEhhJ/ciIwT/IphLznPE3oH2T2RKh3GH 8kcgQe9bb8K4iMYHUkw2qGNBpeGiOEi2CD5mhpjEu5qmLOm2odI22n31+LLGKlMeqcXj NkDvhel2IQxflt9QMiRPtqYs+3KF6PMgv+VkTnLmkQf4wx0t6n+ykXH62PCocKIZT62E jBBfu76q0/o6LJSJagMd9BKm9puB89NnJLB9hkPzzL8VLI17HFaBI8Hh/D6fVSgCmLbi kHtw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.98.84 with SMTP id p81mr916928yka.40.1414903141821; Sat, 01 Nov 2014 21:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.86.133 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2014 21:39:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D232D361C@nkgeml506-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D232D361C@nkgeml506-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 00:39:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Luyuan Fang To: bess@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113aae4428f2500506d8cffa Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/-M82ypQcuDbOSpsXM7Ce9zrhy6o Subject: [bess] =?utf-8?b?RndkOiDnrZTlpI06IFdHIGFkb3B0aW9uIHBvbGwgLSBkcmFm?= =?utf-8?q?t-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 04:39:04 -0000 --001a113aae4428f2500506d8cffa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lizhenbin Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:34 AM Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe= -05 To: Martin Vigoureux , "l3vpn@ietf.org= " Hi Martin, I support the adoption. There is available implementation. Regards, Robin -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: L3VPN [mailto:l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Martin Vigoureux =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5 3= :01 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: l3vpn@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week poll on adopting draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in both cases please also state the reasons). This poll runs until November the 3rd. Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thank you M&T --- [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 --001a113aae4428f2500506d8cffa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded messag= e ----------
From: Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:34 AM
Subject: =E7=AD=94= =E5=A4=8D: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
To: Martin = Vigoureux <martin= .vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>, "l3vpn@ietf.org" <l3vpn@ie= tf.org>


Hi Martin,
I support the adoption. There is available implementation.


Regards,
Robin




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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: L3VPN [mailto:l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Martin Vigoureux =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5 3= :01
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: l3vpn@ietf.o= rg
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (= in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you a= re aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The res= ponse needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The document will not = advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each auth= or and contributor.

If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR = that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

M&T

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[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05<= /a>



--001a113aae4428f2500506d8cffa-- From nobody Sun Nov 2 12:33:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E93D1A0123 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PgPtAELeE6HV for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x230.google.com (mail-ig0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C461A001C for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ig0-f176.google.com with SMTP id l13so4009639iga.9 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:33:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WQKdPG76YW/8bCbPS4izvdt1KOux1u9N+j88LqGz5GE=; b=dSWWyx/u6a07wvVhrbCROeF2lFDp+fRapXykK8rR4LmOjkT96xeboiENeY4BEvGtpI 1PWDF8h1RT//lqSiLWHDxxsYu/F5MF/eTd3S9fjTWGGQOs677DTfuW7qfrPUQZjVPu8K RObTMPPR8rfSKiA4CGNQOqufWzmEk3UljZfQcG/9rndHL/klsaUiyfnggjqcWXRzGOKr 9vQzccOdss4tWhUKWpzWSefoOfBEUNEXEOAeIUPyCVEFm6iX5Hu2KhwCEG48+DdjH3bf /T9qKTNt4zD8rkCabconu4YW65s6ZxxHH4rGByeDK9aTCKeui5jsQtYjs3gL1VmEBh44 SvsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.21.19 with SMTP id i19mr36544746icb.37.1414960431057; Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:33:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: dhruvdhody@gmail.com X-Google-Sender-Delegation: dhruvdhody@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.80.69 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:33:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5409BFC1.1000301@orange.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 02:03:50 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TIEGhDSFoIiyPPS2p2gtnuzL2NY Message-ID: From: Dhruv Dhody To: Luyuan Fang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/OrWqRKPOxDv0UqWdhS-ZV7n52o8 Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] =?utf-8?b?RndkOiDnrZTlpI06IFBvbGwgZm9yIGFkb3B0aW9uOiBkcmFm?= =?utf-8?q?t-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 20:33:53 -0000 Support! Dhruv On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Luyuan Fang wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Haoweiguo > Date: Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:49 AM > Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-syst= em-requirements > To: "Bitar, Nabil N" , Thomas Morin > , "l3vpn@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements@tools.ietf.org" > > > > Support. > Thanks > weiguo > > ________________________________________ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: L3VPN [l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8= =A1=A8 Bitar, Nabil N > [nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8817=E6=97=A5 = 11:12 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; l3vpn@ietf.org > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements@tools.ietf.o= rg > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-re= quirements > > support. > > Thanks, > Nabil > ________________________________________ > From: L3VPN [l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Morin > [thomas.morin@orange.com] > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:50 AM > To: l3vpn@ietf.org > Cc: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements > > Hello working group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements [1] as a working group item. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in the later case, please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until **September 19th**. > > > *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that > applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in > compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 > and 5378 for more details). > > =3D=3D> *If you are listed as a document author or contributor* please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant IPR. > > The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from > each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG mailing list but are not listed as an author > or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you, > > Martin & Thomas > l3vpn chairs > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-= 03 > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > From nobody Sun Nov 2 14:57:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60031A1A4B; 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bh=Fr4WypZrHm531bY4qGdG/Hu7LICYpUEVAzRhpaaAqL4=; b=pFw0JvIC+vHhEoKOqh7H4uIW/vssJ+z6RG7kqGH+oJLT60SwA/SMs9/i M50QJl2Ni/rp5h748ms0J6kpr+H8aAQio3h+LHSuxGj6icBbhpReuMAsk gcLRQz9A419vHgVpv9n+a2vZQN1CKK3VRWy7xZopSmHbMsy/ecJ+1fskP M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: false Received: from unknown (HELO fldsmtpi03.verizon.com) ([166.68.71.145]) by fldsmtpe03.verizon.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2014 22:57:20 +0000 From: "Bitar, Nabil N" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,303,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217";a="860722990" Received: from fldp1lumxc7hb04.verizon.com (HELO FLDP1LUMXC7HB04.us.one.verizon.com) ([166.68.75.83]) by fldsmtpi03.verizon.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2014 22:57:20 +0000 Received: from fldp1lumxc7v63.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.45.45]) by FLDP1LUMXC7HB04.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.75.83]) with mapi; Sun, 2 Nov 2014 17:57:20 -0500 To: "Martin Vigoureux (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com)" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 17:57:19 -0500 Thread-Topic: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: Ac/28FrpWIJjUDAxQ4eaun1Eu/fURA== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2691CE0099834E4A9C5044EEC662BB9D453FDD4B@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.4.130416 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D07C20863720Fnabilnbitaroneverizoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/7FSiWQj8c91GhZtVzZZZqPV51II Cc: "l3vpn@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 22:57:23 -0000 --_000_D07C20863720Fnabilnbitaroneverizoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support as co-author. 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Support as co-author. I = am not aware of any relevant IPR.

Thanks,
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Dhruv On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Martin Vigoureux wrote: > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if you > are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR rules, see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > From nobody Mon Nov 3 09:33:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3DC1A1BB0 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 09:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XOpgcXW4ud3u for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 09:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C7FF1A1BB3 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1438; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1415036025; x=1416245625; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=4T2QOMFgzor9TLfSLzmfPSbrceKNrsozYlU9kGd9xPo=; b=dyMJWZ/fpDr6P3ubk04Zbx2lbkOM6eQpkoHSzbgE/fLsOmB3C/Qgwnbt fJX5788xU9i/SX62bznqtTqF3VqGeQ/tULrSVbs/UPT888p0PNyJG4QQh KyCm6zRDqnPpRwoTdJioH2/DbKRnpYCltqAT0BRGnh8s96yGkqc1KyRa/ A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikFAGu7V1StJA2N/2dsb2JhbABcgmsjVFgEzgaHTQKBIxYBAQEBAXILhAIBAQEEOjQGFwEIGB5CGwEGAwIEE4hBAQykL6NSAQEBBwIBH5AuEQFXhEsFkhqET4cYgTE9gxCRUoN4bIEPOYEDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,308,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="92903642" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2014 17:33:44 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com [173.37.183.88]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sA3HXiHe028491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:33:44 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([173.37.183.88]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 11:33:44 -0600 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" To: "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 Thread-Index: AQHP688U9f3Nj8WaeE6RYhZdpAyAspw4WSwAgBa1iYA= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:33:43 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.128.2.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8EEDB8776FECF142B1516E87ADFC1FB0@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/xOlr4w2OclzeAsuWcve_TQfE45o Subject: [bess] FW: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:33:50 -0000 On 10/19/14, 10:46 PM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" wrote: > >Support. > >-Ali > >On 10/19/14, 12:00 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" > wrote: > >>Hello Working Group, >> >>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting >>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. >> >>Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >>not (in both cases please also state the reasons). >> >>This poll runs until November the 3rd. >> >> >>Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if >>you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR >>rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to >>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >>If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >>this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant >>IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The >>document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >>received from each author and contributor. >> >>If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or >>contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >>IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >>Thank you >> >>M&T >> >>--- >>[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >> > From nobody Mon Nov 3 13:48:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877321A1A10 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:48:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.694 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.694 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jxY3_KP04pBC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nm40-vm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 924301A1A07 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 21:48:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.193] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 21:48:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2014 21:48:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 578434.84251.bm@omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 66622 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2014 21:48:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1415051309; bh=qnnyBQBSjVPDbNUdq/X3fsyqAYNhVvuqPjzPFDr4ZRM=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jZhNzSAKEJ/lUDMs1Gl0yCgFYTMz5nez00eFmeo2BxOxv/m9nx5xy9ldsn+86pDa1WkojvmjrKs1W4INlGNN6SHvJtx7SOgk0w79LsQdLXvOE8yhyRgdaUd218s32sJ9yVv7yDHnnY7jsEV8m1qTruQIXJ9xF48dZIOxzEj+I84= X-YMail-OSG: 83tmrvMVM1mnpebuoNjV.WYc.rDP7RGQ4UKqF.4kO66EYuC iarVEXrNJ.BNU.ezjgiVtmmMIVAyjHAOJHtTqsdNOZfCwa0UWEmSLfEFOTML C_mhdXUwy.c6qx72OwzEro4cVWpglMhNGElddfpLiQO2NPyKwYyepTASyslI yyhAsLpvQDdpol8H7lVKU0mpFZAo0Ucf277aZD6_W0t_wcEH4__dM_in5wZa SpgL9.iYmSLTqM3SwVnd9qt9vcJ2onpJ2pC7235flXgINEUmo4nGazW44xKu VzQZPiusHv9nPyaaaB4VzsAnz4ajq1CD1ECCVqhbEtVzY9dmvTBSZhaCsUaL mStvX1ZLRVcTPOuP.cwDL8HkHO3CJmOsmcSVs95sStwnniT86TVpy4w7kqsn P5kaYsUtxmFxg2PgFFkrbRT5B4xQbHSeYI7.eiyVv3893au10Hvs0dRXchCd TtUKJlsuEdHyxVpLDokpn.SGv_HX3F72GL0THEHkYFebEDAsRKj1XJEZ8zkh fOkAfK_RrnSHGvxrgMhxQKZme377DSd9FUpImnBtN2r6t Received: from [71.170.40.34] by web162606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 2014 13:48:29 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, U3VwcG9ydCBhbmQgbm90IGF3YXJlIG9mIGFueSByZWxhdGVkIElQUnMuCgpJIHNlbmQgaW4gdGhlIGFib3ZlIHJlc3BvbnNlIHRvIEwzVlBOIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdCwgYnV0IG5vdCBzdXJlIEkgaGF2ZSBkb25lIGl0IGZvciBCRVNTLiAgSnVzdCB0byBiZSBzdXJlLiAKIApOaW5nIFNvCjk3Mi05NTUtMDkxNAoKCj4KPk9uIDEwLzE5LzE0LCAxMjowMCBQTSwgIk1hcnRpbiBWaWdvdXJldXgiCj48bWFydGluLnZpZ291cmV1eEBhbGNhdGVsLWx1Y2VudC5jb20.IHdyb3RlOgo.Cj4.SGVsbG8gV29ya2luZyBHcm8BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.203.733 References: Message-ID: <1415051309.64303.YahooMailNeo@web162606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:48:29 -0800 From: ningso@yahoo.com To: "bess@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="257012059-203364627-1415051309=:64303" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/fbjj5IyaN5v-lT6Nlm5wAOurjSA Subject: Re: [bess] FW: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: ningso@yahoo.com List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:48:40 -0000 --257012059-203364627-1415051309=:64303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Support and not aware of any related IPRs. I send in the above response to L3VPN mailing list, but not sure I have done it for BESS. Just to be sure. Ning So 972-955-0914 > >On 10/19/14, 12:00 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" > wrote: > >>Hello Working Group, >> >>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting >>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. >> >>Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >>not (in both cases please also state the reasons). >> >>This poll runs until November the 3rd. >> >> >>Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if >>you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR >>rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to >>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >>If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >>this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant >>IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The >>document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >>received from each author and contributor. >> >>If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or >>contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >>IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >>Thank you >> >>M&T >> >>--- >>[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >> > _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --257012059-203364627-1415051309=:64303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Support and not aware of any related IPRs.

I send in the above response to L3VPN mailing list, but not sure I have done it for BESS.  Just to be sure. 
 
Ning So
972-955-0914


>
>On 10/19/14, 12:00 PM, "Martin Vigoureux"
><martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello Working Group,
>>
>>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].
>>
>>Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
>>not (in both cases please also state the reasons).
>>
>>This poll runs until November the 3rd.
>>
>>
>>Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if
>>you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR
>>rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to
>>draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>>
>>If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
>>this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant
>>IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The
>>document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
>>received from each author and contributor.
>>
>>If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or
>>contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
>>IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>>
>>Thank you
>>
>>M&T
>>
>>---
>>[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05
>>
>>
>

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[2.11.250.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id el4sm15031345wid.11.2014.11.05.01.03.42 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Nov 2014 01:03:44 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <5459E7E9.2030802@orange.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 10:03:37 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BESS References: <5459DE12.7090000@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <5459DE12.7090000@orange.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <5459DE12.7090000@orange.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000405010506090608000007" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/gQ9GcQfuNyVLzvOrCS40yLDe2es Subject: [bess] Fwd: draft-...-orf-covering-prefixes re-adopted (was Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:03:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000405010506090608000007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, This was supposed to go to bess@ietf.org. And the draft name will be, of course, draft-ietf-bess-orf-covering-prefixes-00. 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[2.11.250.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fq1sm14907663wib.12.2014.11.05.00.21.41 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:21:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5459DE12.7090000@orange.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 09:21:38 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 To: L3VPN Subject: draft-...-orf-covering-prefixes re-adopted (was Re: New Poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes related to late IPR disclosure) References: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <5433F079.6090605@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3vpn/x_uQTyIG4Bc8BlXTwPaNbAzggF8 CC: , L3VPN ADs , X-BeenThere: l3vpn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org Sender: L3VPN X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.11.5.80926 Return-Path: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SCL: -1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi everyone, This call for re-adoption is closed and we have a (not) new working group document. Can authors please resubmit as draft-bess-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-00 ? Thank you, -Thomas 2014-10-07, Thomas Morin: > Hello working group, > > At the end of July, IPR has been disclosed on both > draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes and > draft-ietf-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes, related to a patent by one of > the co-authors, Lucy Yong ; we consider this disclosure far from > satisfying considering the rules of BCP79 ("as soon as reasonably > possible after the Contribution is published" [1]), and in particular > because the information was not provided when an IPR disclosure reminder > question was asked by chairs to authors, during the call for adoption in > June. > > The WG Chairs have thus decided to take a step back and initiate a new > poll for adoption on draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 [2]. > > Knowing about this IPR [3], please express your opinion on whether this > document should be adopted or not by the Working Group. Please motivate > your opinion. > > Progressing this document as an L3VPN WG item is thus subject to renewed > WG consensus. > > Please send your comments, to the list or to the chairs, before > **October the 21th**. > > Thank you, > > Thomas & Martin, > l3vpn chairs > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp79#section-6.2.1 > [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-l3vpn-orf-covering-prefixes-03 > [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2397/ > --------------000405010506090608000007-- From nobody Wed Nov 5 15:36:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D06B1A0217; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:36:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ksosLg761e2a; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 063AF1A01F9; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id B007A3453855F; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:36:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id sA5Na6eq025679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:36:06 +0100 Received: from [135.244.192.4] (135.239.27.40) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:36:06 +0100 Message-ID: <545AB464.90304@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:36:04 +0100 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BESS References: <544FB481.1020009@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <544FB481.1020009@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.40] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/SvE_lX1-FBbsXTJVjmcNxok1vIY Cc: L3VPN Subject: Re: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:36:12 -0000 All, we have updated the agenda. We have a 2nd session on Friday and we'll be discussing 5 more documents at that time. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess Speakers, please start sending your slides, and please do so, whether you're on Wed or Fri, before Tuesday 11pm local time. Thank you M&T Le 28/10/2014 16:21, Thomas Morin a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > You can find our *draft* agenda at: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess > > Note well that this agenda is subject to change. > Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments. > > Best, > > -Thomas & Martin > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > From nobody Wed Nov 5 15:41:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EBF1A020A; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:41:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0o8mR7-BQwOj; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B66BD1A0204; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 03C4CB68B62A0; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 23:41:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id sA5NfIuw031161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:41:18 +0100 Received: from [135.244.192.4] (135.239.27.38) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:41:18 +0100 Message-ID: <545AB59D.40809@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:41:17 +0100 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: , "bess@ietf.org" References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.38] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/aW7YD_0GIN11eMUXlzldyN-N3As Subject: [bess] Poll Closed [Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05] X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:41:22 -0000 WG, this document is adopted as a new WG item. Authors, please resubmit as draft-ietf-bess-virtual-pe-00, when the tool re-opens. Thank you -m Le 19/10/2014 21:00, Martin Vigoureux a écrit : > Hello Working Group, > > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. > > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or > not (in both cases please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until November the 3rd. > > > Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if > you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR > rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to > draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > M&T > > --- > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 > > > > From nobody Wed Nov 5 21:43:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E5B1A1A52; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FEu1nZ4578m; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yh0-x22b.google.com (mail-yh0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C88D31A1A4F; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yh0-f43.google.com with SMTP id f73so1062947yha.16 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:43:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7IrxsCFR3h39hHa1iu4BgXE83CaMrSrmxZFTRa+ID94=; b=mDqmYqjn57/mMY6qgb81qT/LLdrVZ0RpSr5OhGasB8BuJ8a617pTfftqigv62CKtup Ag/MzetmTn9z1d/jEMM699NQyFwOofwAAJ0e2s9Swv2UzuDhlCjD/tiU6cNyELImk2yV LRsvjbc7e1gyIuYXXdO3veIcdN65cAF9/25BfeDgHOiZX1MplFcmOR/mhz6UXuMvcWyV amVl0qCX9C4/WskAe50o+9cFgxp5daOZxn0hOxCkAVx7NOhH0En1+xHIWLMtwMo8d0Kh l8wO2/LSrkesOyebDAjTSKIlEi65Sj9vvIT1b68Z46N0DlN6la/Z5HmECfU9BdrIV2d/ nRNA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.88.5 with SMTP id f5mr2171129yka.2.1415252612922; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.86.133 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:43:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <545AB59D.40809@alcatel-lucent.com> References: <54440A63.4090404@alcatel-lucent.com> <545AB59D.40809@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:43:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Luyuan Fang To: Martin Vigoureux Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a7ed642c4d405072a2d34 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/m7O0ZOwYL7NHZUmK2VHUumO8GsY Cc: l3vpn@ietf.org, "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] Poll Closed [Re: WG adoption poll - draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05] X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:43:43 -0000 --001a113a7ed642c4d405072a2d34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Martin! Will do. Luyuan On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Martin Vigoureux < martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > WG, > > this document is adopted as a new WG item. > > Authors, please resubmit as draft-ietf-bess-virtual-pe-00, when the tool > re-opens. > > Thank you > -m > > Le 19/10/2014 21:00, Martin Vigoureux a =C3=A9crit : > >> Hello Working Group, >> >> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting >> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1]. >> >> Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or >> not (in both cases please also state the reasons). >> >> This poll runs until November the 3rd. >> >> >> Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if >> you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR >> rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to >> draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >> this email and state whether or not you are aware of any relevant >> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the L3VPN WG mailing list. The >> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >> received from each author and contributor. >> >> If you are on the L3VPN WG email list but are not listed as an author or >> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >> Thank you >> >> M&T >> >> --- >> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --001a113a7ed642c4d405072a2d34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Martin!
Will do.

Luyu= an

On = Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vi= goureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
WG,

this document is adopted as a new WG item.

Authors, please resubmit as draft-ietf-bess-virtual-pe-00, when the tool re= -opens.

Thank you
-m

Le 19/10/2014 21:00, Martin Vigoureux a =C3=A9crit :
Hello Working Group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 [1].

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in both cases please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until November the 3rd.


Coincidentally, we remind you to check and then state on this list if
you are aware, or not, of any undisclosed IPR (according to IETF IPR
rules, see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) relating to
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--001a113a7ed642c4d405072a2d34-- From nobody Thu Nov 6 14:17:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D9E1A924A; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:17:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vHzZn1K7RW8S; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 770441A90E7; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 14:17:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1850; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1415312236; x=1416521836; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=S8zrSLDVrNaXxs2NDfQEDnaIYMUlMKOqTYE0G8ddUDM=; b=c75aMqRwlRo/R7+reU8gJzCdTeh8tZNA8m8VmsMwPadiGDTxKydKQQsD q9++aDEvXmzprMIcBNFwyIz2sVYBef5+0wp1MfwH6Db6WoucaitayctxT OHcZLpsTCqnZkU4B7Vlb1YWU43sfSxgKebmsE1au5ouiGQXFn+e5o6Mzz 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsFADnyW1StJA2L/2dsb2JhbABbgmsjVFkEyyUKh00CgSEWAQEBAQF9hAMBAQQBAQFrCxIBCG0LJQIEAQ0FCYg4AQzPLAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEZkREHhEsFiz+GZYtygTKDTo1ShAmDeGyBBgc7gQMBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,328,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="94232724" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2014 22:17:15 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sA6MHFax026250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:17:15 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x13.cisco.com ([fe80::5404:b599:9f57:834b]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:17:15 -0600 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" To: Martin Vigoureux , BESS , Thomas Morin Thread-Topic: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting Thread-Index: AQHP+VFDYDLv2+oHOUiPw0Co5slYqpxUCqiA Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:17:14 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <545AB464.90304@alcatel-lucent.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.154.201.175] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <38749D4CA168204E81D4805F1DC57A45@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/MSfVNc5PAABtWc-mvBAADAhKXqM Cc: L2vpn , "Giles Heron \(giheron\)" , "Bitar, Nabil N" , L3VPN Subject: Re: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:17:18 -0000 Hi Martin, Thomas: Thanks for arraigning the 2nd session as this is our first IETF BESS meeting and there are quite a few topics to discuss. BTW, I have a question regarding the pending WG calls for L2VPN drafts. There have been a number of WG calls for EVPN related drafts with a large number of positive responses in support for adoption of these drafts. These calls were initiated over 4 weeks ago and I am hoping that the L2VPN WG chairs (Nabil and Giles) publish the results soon. I was not planning to present any of the EVPN drafts that are in L2VPN WG calls. Would you please advise me if there is any need to present/discuss these drafts yet again at our BESS session(s)? Do you want to discuss this with the L2VPN WG chairs before answering my question? Regards, Ali On 11/5/14, 3:36 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" wrote: >All, > >we have updated the agenda. We have a 2nd session on Friday and we'll be >discussing 5 more documents at that time. > >http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess > >Speakers, please start sending your slides, and please do so, whether >you're on Wed or Fri, before Tuesday 11pm local time. > >Thank you > >M&T > >Le 28/10/2014 16:21, Thomas Morin a =E9crit : >> Hi everyone, >> >> You can find our *draft* agenda at: >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess >> >> Note well that this agenda is subject to change. >> Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments. >> >> Best, >> >> -Thomas & Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >BESS mailing list >BESS@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Nov 6 18:59:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A3B1A005A for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:58:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nOy45DsIzO3b for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0795.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::1:795]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3D7E1A00AD for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from CO2PR05MB633.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.199.12) by CO2PR05MB780.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.226.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 02:58:28 +0000 Received: from CO2PR05MB636.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.199.24) by CO2PR05MB633.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.199.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.11.14; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 02:58:26 +0000 Received: from CO2PR05MB636.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.199.24]) by CO2PR05MB636.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.199.24]) with mapi id 15.01.0016.006; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 02:58:26 +0000 From: Ross Callon To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "mnapierala@att.com" , Luyuan Fang Thread-Topic: RTG Dir QA review: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac/6NrHii727b+LORH6bRNt0YX6Q5g== Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 02:58:26 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.241.14] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO2PR05MB633;UriScan:; x-forefront-prvs: 03883BD916 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(41574002)(51444003)(189002)(199003)(229853001)(2501002)(99286002)(95666004)(4396001)(62966003)(21056001)(33646002)(105586002)(2561002)(101416001)(2421001)(230783001)(106356001)(87936001)(108616004)(120916001)(107046002)(97736003)(76576001)(2656002)(74316001)(31966008)(77156002)(64706001)(122556002)(66066001)(46102003)(15975445006)(50986999)(19580395003)(575784001)(54356999)(15202345003)(20776003)(1511001)(40100003)(86362001)(92566001)(99396003)(24736002)(579004); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO2PR05MB633; H:CO2PR05MB636.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_b5c2eb1875a94a2fa077ebbab68945fcCO2PR05MB636namprd05pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO2PR05MB780; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/lTb17gMWhWGdI99AZOBfmTy8UDs Cc: Ross Callon , "EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com" , "'Martin Vigoureux' \(martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com\)" , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: [bess] RTG Dir QA review: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 02:58:59 -0000 --_000_b5c2eb1875a94a2fa077ebbab68945fcCO2PR05MB636namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate QA reviewer for draft-ietf-= l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt The Routing Directorate QA reviews are intended to be a support to improve = the quality of RTG Area documents as they pass through the IETF process. Th= is is the QA review at the time of the WG document adoption poll. Summary This document serves a useful purpose in clarifying the requirements for ex= tending BGP/MPLS to support virtual end systems, such as might be found in = a data center environment. As such it seems a good companion to the soluti= ons drafts and appropriate as a WG document. I am assuming that the chairs = and AD will know whether this should be reissued as draft-ietf-bess-end-sys= tem-requirements-00.txt or perhaps as draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-end-system-requ= irements-00.txt. I believe that the technical contents of this document are excellent. The d= ocument however contains a significant number of minor grammatical issues, = ranging from nits to minor editorial issues. Given the large number of such= grammatical issues I believe that the document should be updated before it= will be ready for WGLC. Comments >From a technical point of view I believe that the document is useful, sound= and well written. The rest of these comments is a long list of grammatical= nits and suggested improvements. Abstract, second sentence: "Virtualized end-system environment imposes addi= tional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology". For correct English this s= hould be either "The virtualized end-system environment imposes additional = requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology" or "Virtualized end-system environ= ments impose additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology". Personall= y I would have a slight preference for the latter. Introduction, first paragraph, fourth sentence: "This is referred as server= , storage, and network virtualization". I think that this should be "This i= s referred to as server, storage, and network virtualization". Introduction, first paragraph, last sentence. This currently reads "Compute= nodes running guest operating systems are often executed as Virtual Machin= es (or VMs)". Is it well known what is meant by a "guest operating system"?= For me at least this could use some clarification. Introduction, third paragraph, last sentence: "The solutions may referred a= s End-System solutions or virtual PE (vPE) solutions in different documents= ". This should be "The solutions may be referred to in other documents as E= nd-System solutions or virtual PE (vPE) solutions". Section 1.1 (Terminology), first paragraph. This reads: The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. This paragraph is redundant with the earlier "Requirements Language" sectio= n and should be removed. Section 2, first sentence: "MPLS/BGP VPN technology [RFC4364] have proven t= o be able to..." should be either "MPLS/BGP VPN technology [RFC4364] has proven to be able to..." or "MPLS/BGP VPNs [RFC4364] have proven to be able to...". Section 2, first paragraph, second sentence: "In traditional WAN deployment= s of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge (CE) is a physical device, residing a customer's location, connected to a Provider Edge (PE), residing= in a Service Provider's location.". Do you mean "In traditional WAN deployments of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge router (CE) is a physical device= , residing a customer's location, connected to a Provider Edge router (PE),= residing in a Service Provider's location."? Section 2.1, first paragraph: "When end-system attaches to MPLS/BGP VPN, CE= corresponds to a non-routing host that can reside in a Virtual Machine or = be an application residing on the end-system itself". Do you mean "When an = end-system attaches to an MPLS/BGP VPN, the CE may correspond to a non-rout= ing host that can reside in a Virtual Machine or may be an application resi= ding on the end-system itself"? In section 1.1 you listed the acronym "CE" = as being short for "CE router". In this case, if the CE is not a router, th= en isn't the acronym wrong? Do you want the acronym "CE" for "customer edge= equipment", and "CER" for "customer edge router"? Alternately, in 1.1 shou= ld "CE" be an acronym for "customer edge device (either router or end syste= m)"? Section 2.1, in the second paragraph you use the term "transport network in= frastructure". It seems to me that this seems to refer to something other t= han what is normally meant by "transport network infrastructure". Do you me= an "core routers in the service provider network", or "data center routers"= ? I see however that you are however consistent in the way that you use "tr= ansport network". Perhaps you should explain this term up front. It is poss= ible that your use of the term is common and that this use is okay. Section 2.1, third paragraph, second sentence: "In such deployments PE may = be..." should be "In such deployments the PE may be...". Section 2.2, second paragraph, first sentence. This currently reads: In end-system environment, a single end-system, effectively, correspond= s to a line card in a traditional PE router. I am not sure what the word "effectively" is doing in this sentence. Section 3.1, first sentence: "A network virtualization solution should be a= ble to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast connectivity between hosts in the same= and different subnets without any assumptions regarding the underlying med= ia layer". I think that this would be a bit cleaner if written "A network v= irtualization solution should be able to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast conn= ectivity between hosts in the same subnet or in different subnets without a= ny assumptions regarding the underlying media layer". Section 3.2, first sentence: "Furthermore, the multicast transmission,...".= This should be "Furthermore multicast transmission,...". Also, I believe t= hat there should be a comma immediately after "IPv6 addresses". Section 3.3, fourth sentence: "End-system network virtualization solution s= hould be able to provide...". This should be either "The end-system network= virtualization solution should be able to provide..." or "End-system netwo= rk virtualization solutions should be able to provide...". Section 4, bullet items: The first three of these do not start with a sente= nce, the fourth does start with a sentence. For correct parallel grammar th= ey either should all start with a sentence or none of them should. Also, th= e sentence which is the fourth bullet item again has either a word "An" mis= sing from the front, or "end-point" should be plural ("end-points"). Section 4, last paragraph (after the bullets): "End-system network virtuali= zation solution should support...". Again, this should be either "The end-= system network virtualization solution should support..." or "End-system ne= twork virtualization solutions should support...". Section 7, third paragraph, last sentence. There is an extra or mis-placed = comma, "with both, internal..." should be "with both internal...". Section 7.1, first sentence. There is a word missing: "MPLS/VPN technology = based on [RFC4364] specifies that different encapsulation methods could be = for connecting PE routers,..." should be "MPLS/VPN technology based on [RFC= 4364] specifies that different encapsulation methods could be used for conn= ecting PE routers,...". Section 7.1, third paragraph: I think that "MPLS-in-IP" and "MPLS-In-GRE" a= re normally hyphenated. I think that "Due to route aggregation property of= IP protocols" should be "Due to the route aggregation property of IP proto= cols". Section 9, first paragraph, end of last sentence, again a "the" is missing.= "...is an effective way to solve IP mobility problem" should be "...is an = effective way to solve the IP mobility problem". Section 9, second paragraph, first sentence: "IP mobility consists in a dev= ice physically moving..." should be "IP mobility consists of a device physi= cally moving...". Second sentence, again a "the" is missing. Second sente= nce should start: "IP mobility requires preserving the device's active netw= ork connections...". Section 9.3, second paragraph, first sentence. This currently reads: To minimize the disruption to established communication during workloa= d or device mobility, the control plane of a network virtualization solution should be able t= o differentiate between the activation of a workload in a new location from advertizing its rou= te to the network. I can't figure out what this sentence is supposed to say. Thus I can't prop= ose alternate wording but you should look at it carefully. The following se= ntence is again missing a "the", as in "prior to the workload's migration". Section 10, first paragraph, second sentence: Again "the" is missing, as in= "virtualized resources in the SP's data center". The next sentence "and" i= s missing, as in "... and wireless connectivity". Section 10, right after the list of bullets the rest of this section is sti= ll indented. I suspect that you need to fiddle with XML2RFC or other source= format to get this lined up correctly. First paragraph after the bullets, = second sentence is again missing "the", as in "... the VPN's IP routing inf= ormation". Section 11.1, again this is missing a "a" or "the", as in "BGP was designed= to carry a very large amount of ...". Section 11.1.1, first paragraph, third sentence. The beginning of this sent= ence is a bit off. I suggest that you change "These techniques allow to for= ward traffic almost continuously using ..." to "These techniques allow traf= fic to be forwarded almost continuously using ...". Section 12, third paragraph is awkward. I would suggest changing this to "O= ne solution that has been proposed in the IETF is [I-D.rfernando-l3vpn-serv= ice-chaining]". Section 12.1, second paragraph, first sentence has an unnecessary comma aft= er the word "both". This should be: "Load balancing should support deployme= nts where both virtual and physical service appliances are present.". Section 12.2, second paragraph, first sentence. I think that you should cha= nge "It is a requirement that service chaining solution satisfies the requi= rements of symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and a minimal traffic = disruption when service instances are added to or removed from a set of ins= tances." to be "It is a requirement that the service chaining solution sati= sfies the requirements of symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and for= a minimal traffic disruption when service instances are added to or remove= d from a set of instances.". The First section 13 (security considerations), first bullet item: This say= s "End-systems MPLS/BGP VPNs solution". Does it mean " The end-system's MPL= S/BGP VPNs solution", or does this mean "The MPLS/BGP VPN solution used in = end systems"? The second Section 13 (IANA Considerations): Given that this is the second = section 13 in the document, there is apparently an error in the formatting.= Also, in one version both section 13's have titles that are not in bold (u= nlike other section headers), which I expect is part of the same formatting= issue (although they are both in bold in a different version of the docume= nt, argh). That is all. Thanks! Ross --_000_b5c2eb1875a94a2fa077ebbab68945fcCO2PR05MB636namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
I have been selected as the Routing Directorate QA reviewer for draft-= ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt
 
The Routing Directorate QA reviews are intended to be a support to imp= rove the quality of RTG Area documents as they pass through the IETF proces= s. This is the QA review at the time of the WG document adoption poll.
 
 
Summary
 
This document serves a useful purpose in clarifying the requirements f= or extending BGP/MPLS to support virtual end systems, such as might be foun= d in a data center environment.  As such it seems a good companion to = the solutions drafts and appropriate as a WG document. I am assuming that the chairs and AD will know whether th= is should be reissued as draft-ietf-bess-end-system-requirements-00.txt or = perhaps as draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt.
 
I believe that the technical contents of this document are excellent. = The document however contains a significant number of minor grammatical iss= ues, ranging from nits to minor editorial issues. Given the large number of= such grammatical issues I believe that the document should be updated before it will be ready for WGLC.
 
 
Comments
 
From a technical point of view I believe that the document is useful, = sound and well written. The rest of these comments is a long list of gramma= tical nits and suggested improvements.
 
 
Abstract, second sentence: “Virtualized end-system environment i= mposes additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology”. For corre= ct English this should be either “The virtualized end-system environm= ent imposes additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology” or “Virtualized end-system environments impose addi= tional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology”. Personally I would h= ave a slight preference for the latter.
 
 
Introduction, first paragraph, fourth sentence: “This is referre= d as server, storage, and network virtualization”. I think that this = should be “This is referred to as server, storage, and network virtua= lization”.
 
 
Introduction, first paragraph, last sentence. This currently reads = 220;Compute nodes running guest operating systems are often executed as Vir= tual Machines (or VMs)”. Is it well known what is meant by a “g= uest operating system”? For me at least this could use some clarification.
 
 
Introduction, third paragraph, last sentence: “The solutions may= referred as End-System solutions or virtual PE (vPE) solutions in differen= t documents”. This should be “The solutions may be referred to = in other documents as End-System solutions or virtual PE (vPE) solutions”.
 
 
Section 1.1 (Terminology), first paragraph. This reads:
 
    The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT"= ;, "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
    "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "R= ECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
    document are to be interpreted as described in RFC = 2119 [RFC2119].
 
This paragraph is redundant with the earlier “Requirements Langu= age” section and should be removed.
 
 
Section 2, first sentence: “MPLS/BGP VPN technology [RFC4364] ha= ve proven to be able to…” should be
either “MPLS/BGP VPN technology [RFC4364] has proven to be able = to…”
or “MPLS/BGP VPNs [RFC4364] have proven to be able to…R= 21;.
 
 
Section 2, first paragraph, second sentence: “In traditional WAN= deployments of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge (CE) is a physical device,
residing a customer's location, connected to a Provider Edge (PE), res= iding in a Service Provider's location.”. Do you mean “In tradi= tional WAN
deployments of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge router (CE) is a physical d= evice, residing a customer's location, connected to a Provider Edge router = (PE), residing in a Service Provider's location.”?
 
 
Section 2.1, first paragraph: “When end-system attaches to MPLS/= BGP VPN, CE corresponds to a non-routing host that can reside in a Virtual = Machine or be an application residing on the end-system itself”. Do y= ou mean “When an end-system attaches to an MPLS/BGP VPN, the CE may correspond to a non-routing host that can reside in a Virtu= al Machine or may be an application residing on the end-system itself”= ;? In section 1.1 you listed the acronym “CE” as being short fo= r “CE router”. In this case, if the CE is not a router, then isn’t the acronym wrong? Do you want the acronym “CE”= ; for “customer edge equipment”, and “CER” for R= 20;customer edge router”? Alternately, in 1.1 should “CE”= be an acronym for “customer edge device (either router or end system= )”?
 
 
Section 2.1, in the second paragraph you use the term “transport= network infrastructure”. It seems to me that this seems to refer to = something other than what is normally meant by “transport network inf= rastructure”. Do you mean “core routers in the service provider network”, or “data center routers”? I see howeve= r that you are however consistent in the way that you use “transport = network”. Perhaps you should explain this term up front. It is possib= le that your use of the term is common and that this use is okay.
 
 
Section 2.1, third paragraph, second sentence: “In such deployme= nts PE may be…” should be “In such deployments the PE may= be…”.
 
 
Section 2.2, second paragraph, first sentence. This currently reads: <= /div>
 
    In end-system environment, a single end-system, eff= ectively, corresponds to a line card in a traditional PE router.
 
I am not sure what the word “effectively” is doing in this= sentence.
 
 
Section 3.1, first sentence: “A network virtualization solution = should be able to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast connectivity between hosts = in the same and different subnets without any assumptions regarding the und= erlying media layer”. I think that this would be a bit cleaner if written “A network virtualization solution = should be able to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast connectivity between hosts = in the same subnet or in different subnets without any assumptions regardin= g the underlying media layer”.
 
 
Section 3.2, first sentence: “Furthermore, the multicast transmi= ssion,…”. This should be “Furthermore multicast transmiss= ion,…”. Also, I believe that there should be a comma immediatel= y after “IPv6 addresses”.
 
 
Section 3.3, fourth sentence: “End-system network virtualization= solution should be able to provide…”. This should be either &#= 8220;The end-system network virtualization solution should be able to provi= de…” or “End-system network virtualization solutions shou= ld be able to provide…”.
 
 
Section 4, bullet items: The first three of these do not start with a = sentence, the fourth does start with a sentence. For correct parallel gramm= ar they either should all start with a sentence or none of them should. Als= o, the sentence which is the fourth bullet item again has either a word “An” missing from the front= , or “end-point” should be plural (“end-points”). <= /div>
 
 
Section 4, last paragraph (after the bullets): “End-system netwo= rk virtualization solution should support…”.  Again, this = should be either “The end-system network virtualization solution shou= ld support…” or “End-system network virtualization soluti= ons should support…”.
 
 
Section 7, third paragraph, last sentence. There is an extra or mis-pl= aced comma, “with both, internal…” should be “with = both internal…”.
 
 
Section 7.1, first sentence. There is a word missing: “MPLS/VPN = technology based on [RFC4364] specifies that different encapsulation method= s could be for connecting PE routers,…” should be “MPLS/V= PN technology based on [RFC4364] specifies that different encapsulation methods could be used for connecting PE routers,…”= ;.
 
 
Section 7.1, third paragraph: I think that “MPLS-in-IP” an= d “MPLS-In-GRE” are normally hyphenated.  I think that = 220;Due to route aggregation property of IP protocols” should be R= 20;Due to the route aggregation property of IP protocols”.
 
 
Section 9, first paragraph, end of last sentence, again a “the&#= 8221; is missing. “…is an effective way to solve IP mobility pr= oblem” should be “…is an effective way to solve the IP mo= bility problem”.
 
 
Section 9, second paragraph, first sentence: “IP mobility consis= ts in a device physically moving…” should be “IP mobility= consists of a device physically moving…”.   Second s= entence, again a “the” is missing. Second sentence should start= : “IP mobility requires preserving the device's active network connections…”. =
 
 
Section 9.3, second paragraph, first sentence. This currently reads:
 
    To minimize the disruption to established communica= tion during  workload or device mobility,
    the control plane of a network virtualization solut= ion should be able to differentiate between
    the activation of a workload in a new location from= advertizing its route to the network.
 
I can’t figure out what this sentence is supposed to say. Thus I= can’t propose alternate wording but you should look at it carefully.= The following sentence is again missing a “the”, as in “= prior to the workload's migration”.
 
 
Section 10, first paragraph, second sentence: Again “the” = is missing, as in “virtualized resources in the SP's data center̶= 1;. The next sentence “and” is missing, as in “… an= d wireless connectivity”.
 
 
Section 10, right after the list of bullets the rest of this section i= s still indented. I suspect that you need to fiddle with XML2RFC or other s= ource format to get this lined up correctly. First paragraph after the bull= ets, second sentence is again missing “the”, as in “… the VPN's IP routing information= 221;.
 
 
Section 11.1, again this is missing a “a” or “the= 221;, as in “BGP was designed to carry a very large amount of …= ”.
 
 
Section 11.1.1, first paragraph, third sentence. The beginning of this= sentence is a bit off. I suggest that you change “These techniques a= llow to forward traffic almost continuously using …” to “= These techniques allow traffic to be forwarded almost continuously using …”.
 
 
Section 12, third paragraph is awkward. I would suggest changing this = to “One solution that has been proposed in the IETF is [I-D.rfernando= -l3vpn-service-chaining]”.
 
 
Section 12.1, second paragraph, first sentence has an unnecessary comm= a after the word “both”. This should be: “Load balancing = should support deployments where both virtual and physical service applianc= es are present.”.
 
 
Section 12.2, second paragraph, first sentence. I think that you shoul= d change “It is a requirement that service chaining solution satisfie= s the requirements of symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and a minim= al traffic disruption when service instances are added to or removed from a set of instances.” to be “It is = a requirement that the service chaining solution satisfies the requirements= of symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and for a minimal traffic dis= ruption when service instances are added to or removed from a set of instances.”.
 
 
The First section 13 (security considerations), first bullet item: Thi= s says “End-systems MPLS/BGP VPNs solution”. Does it mean ̶= 0; The end-system’s MPLS/BGP VPNs solution”, or does this mean = “The MPLS/BGP VPN solution used in end systems”?
 
 
The second Section 13 (IANA Considerations): Given that this is the se= cond section 13 in the document, there is apparently an error in the format= ting. Also, in one version both section 13’s have titles that are not= in bold (unlike other section headers), which I expect is part of the same formatting issue (although they are both= in bold in a different version of the document, argh). 
 
 
That is all. Thanks!  Ross
 
 --_000_b5c2eb1875a94a2fa077ebbab68945fcCO2PR05MB636namprd05pro_-- From nobody Fri Nov 7 08:53:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431D51AD1A6 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 08:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v_DGIzZdckF6 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 08:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0775.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::775]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99B7B1A87E1 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 08:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from DM2PR0501MB1103.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.245.13) by DM2PR0501MB1325.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.130.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:53:09 +0000 Received: from unknown (66.129.241.12) by DM2PR0501MB1103.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.245.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 16:53:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:52:56 -0500 From: Eric C Rosen To: BESS Message-ID: <20141107115256.00000de6@unknown> Organization: Juniper Networks X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.1 (GTK+ 2.24.17; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [66.129.241.12] X-ClientProxiedBy: BN3PR09CA0025.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (25.160.111.163) To DM2PR0501MB1103.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (25.160.245.13) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:;UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1103; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Forefront-PRVS: 03883BD916 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(189002)(31014004)(199003)(42186005)(19580395003)(50986999)(86362001)(92726001)(93916002)(120916001)(99396003)(122386002)(46406003)(88136002)(97736003)(46102003)(230783001)(89996001)(87976001)(87286001)(40100003)(104166001)(92566001)(95666004)(77096003)(450100001)(4396001)(107046002)(229853001)(21056001)(50226001)(23726002)(105586002)(31966008)(66066001)(50466002)(101416001)(77156002)(62966003)(110136001)(33716001)(33646002)(102836001)(64706001)(20776003)(47776003)(106356001)(17156004); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1103; H:unknown; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR0501MB1325; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/WJ-Vkb5RTa2UhZwbg-Fr0t6QAPQ Cc: erosen@juniper.net Subject: [bess] Comments on draft-dolganow-l3vpn-mvpn-expl-track-00 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 16:53:44 -0000 I have a few comments on draft-dolganow-l3vpn-mvpn-expl-track-00.txt. The draft points out a few issues with regard to the use of a PMSI Tunnel attribute (PTA) whose "tunnel type" is set to "no tunnel information". The first issue is the following. RFC6625 gives a detailed set of procedures for figuring out which S-PMSI A-D route specifies the P-tunnel to be used for sending or receiving a particular multicast C-flow. However, RFC6625 neglects to point out that if the PTA of particular S-PMSI A-D route specifies "no tunnel information", then the that S-PMSI A-D route should be ignored when those procedures are applied. The draft is correct to point this out, though I'm not sure any implementer would actually try to send or receive packets on a P-tunnel whose type is "no tunnel information". This particular issue might be better addressed through an erratum to RFC6625. But a couple of more difficult issues are raised as well. I think the original intention of using "no tunnel information" is that it would be used with (C-S,C-G) S-PMSI A-D routes. Thus there is no clear statement in any of the RFCs about how to use it with an S-PMSI A-D route that has one or more wildcards in its NLRI. It's clear that a egress node, say PE1, interested in (C-S,C-G), needs to send a Leaf A-D route in response to a "no tunnel info" S-PMSI A-D route with (C-S, C-G) in its NLRI, as long as the S-PMSI A-D route is originated by the ingress node that PE1 has selected for (C-S,C-G). What's not clear is what to do in the following case: - PE1 is an egress node interested in (C-S,C-G) - PE1 has chosen PE2 as the ingress node for (C-S,C-G) - PE1 has installed a (C-S,C-G) S-PMSI A-D route from PE2, where the route specifies a tunnel to join - PE1 has installed an S-PMSI A-D route from PE2 with a "less specific" NLRI (e.g., (C-*,C-G) or (C-S,C-*) or (C-*,C-*)), and that specifies "no tunnel information" with LIR set. Does PE1 have to respond to PE2's less specific S-PMSI A-D route with a Leaf A-D route in this case? The RFCs don't really say. I can imagine several possible answers: - yes - no - it depends on whether the more specific route had LIR set - it depends on whether the less specific route covers more than one more specific route - it depends on something else The desired behavior when mixing "no tunnel information" with wildcards was not thought out when RFC6625 was written. Another issue has to do with the way the P-tunnel segmentation procedures are applied to an S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel information." The draft doesn't actually mention P-tunnel segmentation, but it does distinguish between "intra-AS" and "inter-AS" procedures. It leaves inter-AS "for further study", so I surmise that the authors think there are some issues when S-PMSI A-D routes with "no tunnel information" have to travel inter-AS. I surmise further that the issues have to do with the application of the P-tunnel segmentation procedures to S-PMSI A-D routes with "no tunnel information". This surmise could be wrong, because (a) segmentation doesn't have to be applied at inter-AS boundaries, and (b) segmentation can be applied within within a single AS (see "seamless multicast"). But I think there are some issues having to do with processing these routes at "segmentation boundaries", whether or not those boundaries are also AS boundaries. Generally, when a P-tunnel is segmented, the segments do not all have to be the same tunnel type. However, we could decide that when segmenting a "no tunnel information" P-tunnel, the segments should all be "no tunnel information" segments, with each segment having LIR set. (Yes, I know it doesn't make literal sense to talk of segmenting a "no tunnel information" tunnel, this is just shorthand for applying the P-tunnel segmentation procedures to S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify "no tunnel information".) Or we could decide that whether a "no tunnel information" PTA should pass through a segmentation boundary is a matter of policy. But note that when the ingress PE and egress PEs are separated by segmenation boundaries, there are no procedures that allow the ingress PE to track the egress PEs. The procedures are really designed only to enable the ingress node of a "segmentation domain" to track the egress nodes of that domain. That is all that is needed if the purpose of explicit tracking is to enable the ingress node to add egress nodes to a particular P-tunnel segment. If it is desired to enable PE-PE explicit tracking across segmentation domains, new procedures would be needed. I would like to know if the authors think that I have correctly captured the issues. Also, if new procedures need to be developed, we should discuss some use cases, to make sure that any new procedures are really solving the problems posed by the use cases. 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[2.11.250.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g16sm2450274wjq.20.2014.11.07.14.40.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:40:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <545D4A57.4080505@orange.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 23:40:23 +0100 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giles Heron , "l2vpn@ietf.org" , BESS References: <44233995-5F74-49FF-957D-45F40F9AAC61@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <44233995-5F74-49FF-957D-45F40F9AAC61@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/Uw9yz2Om9aRUmLrlpaqcGzJpXr8 Cc: draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption call for EVPN Overlay draft X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 22:40:33 -0000 Hi, Can authors please re-submit the document as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-00 (as soon as the ID upload tool reopens) ? Thanks, -Thomas 2014-11-07, Giles Heron: > This draft has been adopted, however as L2VPN has closed it will be progressed in BESS. > > Giles > > On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:42, Giles Heron wrote: > >> Hi WG, >> >> this email initiates a WG adoption call for: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay-03 >> >> the draft was well supported at the WG meeting in Toronto, but for the sake of record do feel free to send the usual flood of "Support!" emails (if nothing else to make the doc shepherd's job easier). Of course it would be even more helpful if people could send substantive comments as to the suitability (or not) of this draft for adoption by the L2VPN WG so the authors/chairs actually have some feedback to work with. >> >> this poll will close on Friday October 17th. >> >> Giles > From nobody Fri Nov 7 14:54:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8C41A1A30 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o_bgcZZJSRwF for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 14:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B61D71A1A2D for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 14:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.66]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 4098418783202; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 22:54:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id sA7MsPE8010832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Nov 2014 17:54:25 -0500 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.9.112]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 17:54:24 -0500 From: "Dolganow, Andrew (Andrew)" To: Eric C Rosen , BESS Thread-Topic: [bess] Comments on draft-dolganow-l3vpn-mvpn-expl-track-00 Thread-Index: AQHP+t3Gg8fcejFZhUO6JAd1Gwcljw== Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 22:54:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20141107115256.00000de6@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20141107115256.00000de6@unknown> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_D082B0ED61B7Dandrewdolganowalcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/jFeHeqWegsvDOa33xAnXXy2jXys Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-dolganow-l3vpn-mvpn-expl-track-00 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 22:54:32 -0000 --_002_D082B0ED61B7Dandrewdolganowalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <740DCB08C13E1B438F3E2C810A53BD8B@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, Thank you for your comments. Please see inline On 2014-11-07, 11:52 AM, "Eric C Rosen" wrote: >I have a few comments on draft-dolganow-l3vpn-mvpn-expl-track-00.txt. > >The draft points out a few issues with regard to the use of a PMSI Tunnel >attribute (PTA) whose "tunnel type" is set to "no tunnel information". > >The first issue is the following. > >RFC6625 gives a detailed set of procedures for figuring out which S-PMSI >A-D >route specifies the P-tunnel to be used for sending or receiving a >particular multicast C-flow. However, RFC6625 neglects to point out that >if >the PTA of particular S-PMSI A-D route specifies "no tunnel information", >then the that S-PMSI A-D route should be ignored when those procedures are >applied. > >The draft is correct to point this out, though I'm not sure any >implementer >would actually try to send or receive packets on a P-tunnel whose type is >"no tunnel information". This particular issue might be better addressed >through an erratum to RFC6625. You are correct; although a tunnel may not be found by some implementation. We can decide in due time what is better a separate draft or erratum. > >But a couple of more difficult issues are raised as well. > >I think the original intention of using "no tunnel information" is that it >would be used with (C-S,C-G) S-PMSI A-D routes. Thus there is no clear >statement in any of the RFCs about how to use it with an S-PMSI A-D route >that has one or more wildcards in its NLRI. This may have been the original intenion; however, I believe that there is enough to make wildcard tracking work, and since there is(are) implementation for that it would be good if other implementations were interoperable. > >It's clear that a egress node, say PE1, interested in (C-S,C-G), needs to >send a Leaf A-D route in response to a "no tunnel info" S-PMSI A-D route >with (C-S, C-G) in its NLRI, as long as the S-PMSI A-D route is originated >by the ingress node that PE1 has selected for (C-S,C-G). > >What's not clear is what to do in the following case: > >- PE1 is an egress node interested in (C-S,C-G) > >- PE1 has chosen PE2 as the ingress node for (C-S,C-G) > >- PE1 has installed a (C-S,C-G) S-PMSI A-D route from PE2, where the route > specifies a tunnel to join > >- PE1 has installed an S-PMSI A-D route from PE2 with a "less specific" >NLRI > (e.g., (C-*,C-G) or (C-S,C-*) or (C-*,C-*)), and that specifies "no >tunnel > information" with LIR set. > >Does PE1 have to respond to PE2's less specific S-PMSI A-D route with a >Leaf >A-D route in this case? The RFCs don't really say. I can imagine several >possible answers: > >- yes > >- no > >- it depends on whether the more specific route had LIR set > >- it depends on whether the less specific route covers more than one more > specific route > >- it depends on something else To us, the receiver responds to explicit tracking only if it would use the route with a tunnel to receive data. Per draft (section 4.2): "We say a PE is to receive traffic for the explicitly tracked wildcard stream, if at least one (C-S, C-G) C-flow matchesthe S-PMSI A-D route encoding the explicitly tracked stream using procedures of section 3.2 of [MVPN-WC].=B2 So for the case you outlined, if (C-S,C-G) is the only group, here would be no response (as wildcard matching procedures would match to S-PMSI A-D route for the (C-S,C-G) and not wildcard. > >The desired behavior when mixing "no tunnel information" with wildcards >was >not thought out when RFC6625 was written. Agree, hence our draft. The above though made me think that we should add explicit procedure we may to account for withdraw of more specific (A-D) routes that would require response to wildcard tracking. And equivalent reverse case. > >Another issue >has to do with the way the P-tunnel segmentation procedures >are applied to an S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel >information." > >The draft doesn't actually mention P-tunnel segmentation, but it does >distinguish between "intra-AS" and "inter-AS" procedures. It leaves >inter-AS "for further study", so I surmise that the authors think there >are >some issues when S-PMSI A-D routes with "no tunnel information" have to >travel inter-AS. I surmise further that the issues have to do with the >application of the P-tunnel segmentation procedures to S-PMSI A-D routes >with "no tunnel information". We left Inter-AS use case as future study because we have no immediate use case for that. We can discuss at the meeting whether we think we want to handle this or not. As you notice below, inter-AS requires a bit more thinking to make sure everything works as expected. > >This surmise could be wrong, because (a) segmentation doesn't have to be >applied at inter-AS boundaries, and (b) segmentation can be applied within >within a single AS (see "seamless multicast"). But I think there are some >issues having to do with processing these routes at "segmentation >boundaries", whether or not those boundaries are also AS boundaries. > >Generally, when a P-tunnel is segmented, the segments do not all have to >be >the same tunnel type. However, we could decide that when segmenting a "no >tunnel information" P-tunnel, the segments should all be "no tunnel >information" segments, with each segment having LIR set. > >(Yes, I know it doesn't make literal sense to talk of segmenting a "no >tunnel information" tunnel, this is just shorthand for applying the >P-tunnel >segmentation procedures to S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify "no tunnel >information".) > >Or we could decide that whether a "no tunnel information" PTA should pass >through a segmentation boundary is a matter of policy. > >But note that when the ingress PE and egress PEs are separated by >segmenation boundaries, there are no procedures that allow the ingress PE >to >track the egress PEs. The procedures are really designed only to enable >the >ingress node of a "segmentation domain" to track the egress nodes of that >domain. That is all that is needed if the purpose of explicit tracking is >to enable the ingress node to add egress nodes to a particular P-tunnel >segment. > >If it is desired to enable PE-PE explicit tracking across segmentation >domains, new procedures would be needed. Agree. > >I would like to know if the authors think that I have correctly captured >the >issues. Also, if new procedures need to be developed, we should discuss >some use cases, to make sure that any new procedures are really solving >the >problems posed by the use cases. 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<545AB464.90304@alcatel-lucent.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F1D50FFR712WXCHMBA09z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/BDcCZEkC2-LCS66UKJYZdWrO0kM Cc: L2vpn , "Giles Heron \(giheron\)" , "Bitar, Nabil N" , L3VPN Subject: Re: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 00:23:45 -0000 --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F1D50FFR712WXCHMBA09z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ali, We will cover the drafts that went through L2VPN LC/adoption as part of the= WG status. No a priori need to have dedicated discussion slot for these -m ________________________________ De : Ali Sajassi (sajassi) Envoy=E9 : 06/11/2014 14:17 =C0 : VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN); BESS; Thomas Morin Cc : L3VPN; L2vpn; Bitar, Nabil N; Giles Heron (giheron) Objet : Re: [bess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting Hi Martin, Thomas: Thanks for arraigning the 2nd session as this is our first IETF BESS meeting and there are quite a few topics to discuss. BTW, I have a question regarding the pending WG calls for L2VPN drafts. There have been a number of WG calls for EVPN related drafts with a large number of positive responses in support for adoption of these drafts. These calls were initiated over 4 weeks ago and I am hoping that the L2VPN WG chairs (Nabil and Giles) publish the results soon. I was not planning to present any of the EVPN drafts that are in L2VPN WG calls. Would you please advise me if there is any need to present/discuss these drafts yet again at our BESS session(s)? Do you want to discuss this with the L2VPN WG chairs before answering my question? Regards, Ali On 11/5/14, 3:36 PM, "Martin Vigoureux" wrote: >All, > >we have updated the agenda. We have a 2nd session on Friday and we'll be >discussing 5 more documents at that time. > >http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess > >Speakers, please start sending your slides, and please do so, whether >you're on Wed or Fri, before Tuesday 11pm local time. > >Thank you > >M&T > >Le 28/10/2014 16:21, Thomas Morin a =E9crit : >> Hi everyone, >> >> You can find our *draft* agenda at: >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess >> >> Note well that this agenda is subject to change. >> Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments. >> >> Best, >> >> -Thomas & Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >BESS mailing list >BESS@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F1D50FFR712WXCHMBA09z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ali,

We will cover the drafts that went through L2VPN LC/adoption as part of the= WG status. No a priori need to have dedicated discussion slot for these
-m
De : Ali Sa= jassi (sajassi)
Envoy=E9 : 06/11/= 2014 14:17
=C0 : VIGOUR= EUX, MARTIN (MARTIN); BESS; Thomas Morin
Cc : L3VPN;= L2vpn; Bitar, Nabil N; Giles Heron (giheron)
Objet : Re: [b= ess] Draft agenda for our IETF 91 Meeting


Hi Martin, Thomas:

Thanks for arraigning the 2nd session as this is our first IETF BESS
meeting and there are quite a few topics to discuss. BTW, I have a
question regarding the pending WG calls for L2VPN drafts. There have been a number of WG calls for EVPN related drafts with a large number of
positive responses in support for adoption of these drafts. These calls
were initiated over 4 weeks ago and I am hoping that the L2VPN WG chairs (Nabil and Giles) publish the results soon. I was not planning to present any of the EVPN drafts that are in L2VPN WG calls. Would you please advise<= br> me if there is any need to present/discuss these drafts yet again at our BESS session(s)? Do you want to discuss this with the L2VPN WG chairs
before answering my question?

Regards,
Ali

On 11/5/14, 3:36 PM, "Martin Vigoureux"
<martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>All,
>
>we have updated the agenda. We have a 2nd session on Friday and we'll b= e
>discussing 5 more documents at that time.
>
>ht= tp://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-bess
>
>Speakers, please start sending your slides, and please do so, whether >you're on Wed or Fri, before Tuesday 11pm local time.
>
>Thank you
>
>M&T
>
>Le 28/10/2014 16:21, Thomas Morin a =E9crit :
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> You can find our *draft* agenda at:
>>     http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda= -91-bess
>>
>> Note well that this agenda is subject to change.
>> Do no hesitate to send us your feedback and comments.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -Thomas & Martin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BESS mailing list
>> BESS@ietf.org
>> https://www= .ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
>>
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>BESS mailing list
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 --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F1D50FFR712WXCHMBA09z_-- From nobody Mon Nov 10 05:53:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118AD1A1A6D; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:53:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51VryHzijWxP; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias245.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.245]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 682B21A8AF9; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfeda05.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.198]) by omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 9EAED19052E; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:53:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.186]) by omfeda05.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 072971800A5; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:53:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.116.76] (10.197.38.6) by PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup (10.114.1.186) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.210.2; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:53:21 +0100 Message-ID: <11176_1415627602_5460C352_11176_1763_1_5460C349.8090007@orange.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:53:13 +0100 From: Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [10.197.38.6] X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.10.23.30920 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/-bc9KmHu0NOagRU8ImhFpfCwOzM Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Routing Directorate QA Review of draft-fang-l3vpn-virtual-pe-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:53:27 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate QA reviewer for this draft. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see €‹http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir At this stage, the intend of the following is not to discuss the WG's decision about the I-D, but rather to help improving its content. Summary Globally, the I-D is easy to read and gathers some interesting information, but some work is still needed. The aim of the I-D is not clear along the document and hesitates between vPE requirements (e.g., I-D title, or section 1.2) and DC network design (e.g., unnecessary extensive details about vRR, or "it is worth the effort to study the traffic pattern and forwarding looking trend in _your own_ unique Data Center"). What is more, I do not get why it is marked as Standard Track: even though it includes an IANA section, the latter remains empty and the text remains a high level description without protocol specification. Leaving the nits out at this stage, just a few more specific comments below. - On the front page, the list of authors is impressive. However, two columns of names does not fit with guidelines from RFC 7322. The levels of commitments of authors will need to be distinguished. - The word "CAN" used a couple of times is not part of RFC 2119 keywords, it may be replaced by "can" or "MAY", depending on the intend. - Still 2119-related, in section 5.1, the word "SHOULD" seems to mean "are very likely to", thus capitalization looks inappropriate. - Over the 1st half of the document, the possibility to implement a vPE "in a server or a ToR" is mentioned every 2nd page: is it really the main message to be repeated in such an I-D? - Sections 5, 6, 7 loose some focus on vPCE and are less clear. E.g.: * The 2nd scenario in section 6 looks like a cumbersome wording to define a L3 gateway connecting a L2 domain; whether the CE is virtual or not seems orthogonal. * Section 7.2 tries to summarize I2RS work, therefore that text will soon be outdated: pointing directly to I2RS would do a better job. - I read in section 7.2 : "The protocols SHOULD be [...] familiar by the computing communities". I am afraid I should warn against this kind of statement: it is not a technical requirement and would even prevent from considering BGP in DCs (or, e.g. in other contexts, any effort on GMPLS). - The security section should not wait for the full maturity of the I-D to be worked on; e.g., the access to the interconnected vPE-C or the (v)CE is not mentioned. 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From nobody Mon Nov 10 08:36:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4734D1A00FC; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:36:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U9EFO4tcI3hS; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B4B1A00A3; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:36:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141110163629.5139.89582.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:36:29 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/Ip46ROQKvAJmmWqhCf2AWzmmj1w Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-orf-covering-prefixes-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:36:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Covering Prefixes Outbound Route Filter for BGP-4 Authors : Huajin Jeng Luay Jalil Ron Bonica Yakov Rekhter Keyur Patel Lucy Yong Xiaohu Xu Filename : draft-ietf-bess-orf-covering-prefixes-00.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2014-11-10 Abstract: This document defines a new ORF-type, called the "Covering Prefixes ORF (CP-ORF)". CP-ORF is applicable in Virtual Hub-and-Spoke VPNs. It also is applicable in BGP/MPLS Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-orf-covering-prefixes/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-orf-covering-prefixes-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 10 10:26:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4B61A6FC2; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SkmMvJTooNcm; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37AE1A82E2; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:23:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141110182325.24775.29251.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:23:25 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/Hp_Ol6B2MtfZ1StXTV3pR-8KlZk Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:26:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP based Multi-homing in Virtual Private LAN Service Authors : Bhupesh Kothari Kireeti Kompella Wim Henderickx Florin Balus James Uttaro Senad Palislamovic Wen Lin Filename : draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming-00.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2014-11-10 Abstract: Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) is a Layer 2 Virtual Private Network (VPN) that gives its customers the appearance that their sites are connected via a Local Area Network (LAN). It is often required for the Service Provider (SP) to give the customer redundant connectivity to some sites, often called "multi-homing". This memo shows how BGP-based multi-homing can be offered in the context of LDP and BGP VPLS solutions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[2.11.250.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fr6sm14913160wic.1.2014.11.10.13.28.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:28:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54612DE8.5030503@orange.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:28:08 -1000 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BESS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/4v_wV-sCDQSGWQJ0CUoyPGywnj4 Subject: [bess] multicast BIER and mVPN X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:28:18 -0000 Hi all, For your information, in case you missed it, the BIER BoF this afternoon will cover multicast VPN P-tunnels as a possible application of BIER. http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/#BIERApprovedforIETF91 Best, -Thomas From nobody Mon Nov 10 18:07:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637EE1ACD77; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:06:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eIoXJLLKD6nU; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1974F1A884C; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:06:27 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79916d00000623a-bc-54611414e1ba Received: from EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.90]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A9.57.25146.51411645; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:37:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:06:25 -0500 From: David Sinicrope To: "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES Thread-Index: AQHP/VQZHqOzMsDfbUyUw/W8mdfHAg== Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 02:06:25 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.1.130117 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D086905B159D3Bdavidsinicropeericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrJIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlK6oSGKIwetmFYvTz0+xWaw4PpPZ 4vG3Q+wWa/6tY7Lo+7SFxeLc0zmMDmweU35vZPXYOesuu8eSJT+ZApijuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0S uDKW/b3AVDDhEGPF63+b2BsYP61i7GLk5JAQMJF4c2wbM4QtJnHh3nq2LkYuDiGBI4wSy5// Z4JwljNKHO24yQpSxQbUsW7jHhYQW0RAWWLX+SmMIEXMAusYJW483cMEkhAWsJZoP/oCqshG 4u2so6wQtp7EzMutYHFOAQGJX+2zWCBW80pMmXuSHcRmEVCVeNu8F+wkXgEriSt/3zNC1FtL tM2dzwZiMwKd+v3UGrBdzALiEreezGeCmCMgsWTPeah3RCVePv4HtlcUaO/69t1QNUoSc15f Y4bojZf4tOUrG8QuQYmTM5+wTGAUn4Vk7CwkZbOQlEHEDSTen5vPDGFrSyxb+BrK1pfY+OUs I4RtLbGlfxYTspoFjByrGDlKi1PLctONDDcxAuP6mASb4w7GBZ8sDzEKcDAq8fAacCeGCLEm lhVX5h5ilOZgURLn1ayeFywkkJ5YkpqdmlqQWhRfVJqTWnyIkYmDU6qBcVfCs59RarpiG3Sy 9sr/8955wFBwYcvc2ZcLWiOKb7u4n1v4rH/Z+wKBGUtOmhxU2PfSZtPsUI2vjb9VdJ2SZh6a 8fiJodDpLYKSf+OX3S/8G8b450t/I/v186cWPZXuzLHnjtXaJvQ1fOucK3dUGM0XTxCvdNx5 20/jxgOBjOUnJrYycW7q/KTEUpyRaKjFXFScCABvCCPuzAIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/XdauCSBngyr5IXqarMusJGySDoI Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , Andrew Malis , "IETF.PWE3" , "bess@ietf.org" , Stewart Bryant Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 02:06:45 -0000 --_000_D086905B159D3Bdavidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals The agenda for PALS is above. Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as possible= =85 only 1 hr left to the deadline. Thanks, Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "IETF.PWE3" >, "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Stewart Bryant= >, Andrew Malis >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu Hi All, I=92m still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post the ag= enda on the meeting materials web pages. In the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for Honolulu. If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please= complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the form be= low and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 October 2014 12:00 = EDT. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the a= genda quickly and accurately. Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than M= onday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu time. If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot. Thanks! Dave ********************************************************************** IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4 (45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.) ********************************************************************** Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis Secretary: David Sinicrope (x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT) x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRY= ANT x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-pals-pw-fec-label-request Objective: First submission, asking for feedback x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires - = Andy MALIS http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shawam-pwe3-ms-pw-protection-02 Objective: Update showing new solution based on received comments from the = previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption request. x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal Objective: Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how they= were addressed or will be addressed. ********************************************************************** Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.) ********************************************************************** xx. - None currently ********************************************************************** REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S) ********************************************************************** Remote Participation Info: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/remote-participation.html - No WebEx - Audio and Jabber are TBD On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope > wrote: Hi All, Time to request presentation slots for IETF 91. If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please reply = to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. If L2VPNers are= n't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send i= n a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded with a= copy to the requester. (See Andy=92s email below.) Please use this form and please reply to this email. - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth= -oam-iwk/): - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re= solved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address secu= rity issues and get direction from the WG): - requested duration (norm is 10 min): - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): Thanks! Dave From: Andrew Malis > Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "IETF.PWE3" >, "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Stewart Bryant= >, David A Sinicrope > Subject: PALS WG on its way .... If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is th= at PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will meet i= n Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday at 13= :00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda i= tems. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be pre= senting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to present at = L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily for E= VPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any questions. We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. My = understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscr= ibed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PWE3 li= st, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant informa= tion for the list is: List address: pals@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals Thanks, Andy _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --_000_D086905B159D3Bdavidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <057F1DA9BFAAEE448DA9570A47CA92B8@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

The agenda for PALS is above.

Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon a= s possible=85 only 1 hr left to the deadline.

Thanks,
Dave


From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&g= t;
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at= 1:17 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@i= etf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <<= a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Sl= ot Requests - Honolulu


Hi All,
I=92m still waiting on the t= ools to catch up with the new WG to post the agenda on the meeting material= s web pages. 

In the meantime, below is th= e draft PALS agenda for Honolulu.
If you requested a slot and = I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please complete the form below and= send it in reply to this email.
If you haven=92t requested a= slot and need one, please complete the form below and send it in reply to = this email no later than 31 October 2014 12:00 EDT.
*** Taking a couple of minut= es to complete the form helps me complete the agenda quickly and accurately= .  

Those that have slots alloca= ted, please send me your slides no later than Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Hono= lulu time.
If I don=92t have your slide= s by that time, you risk losing your slot.
Thanks!
Dave


***********************************************= ***********************
IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 1= 3:00 - 15:00 Coral 4
(45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time = adjustments.)
***********************************************= ***********************
Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis
Secretary: David Sinicrope
(x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30= , 2014 19:00 EDT)

x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status = - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRYANT


x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE
Objective:  First submission, asking for f= eedback


x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static = Multi-Segment Pseudowires - Andy MALIS
Objective: Update showing new solution based on= received comments from the previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption r= equest.


x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseu= dowires - Stewart BRYANT
Objective: Discuss comments and get some workin= g group feedback on how they were addressed or will be addressed.

***********************************************= ***********************
Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.)
***********************************************= ***********************

xx. - None currently

***********************************************= ***********************
REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)
***********************************************= ***********************
Remote Participation Info: 

- No WebEx
- Audio and Jabber are TBD


On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope= <david= .sinicrope@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi All,<= /span>

Time to = request presentation slots for IETF 91.  


If yo= u need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. &nbs= p; If L2VPNers aren't sure if= their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send in a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be = forwarded with a copy to the requester.  (See Andy=92s email below.)


Please use this form and= please reply to this email.

 

- topic = (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):=

<= u>

- brief = statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and resolved v= ia the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to address securit= y issues and get direction from the WG):  

- reques= ted duration (norm is 10 min):  

- speake= r Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE):  

 

Thanks!<= u>

Dave



From: Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> Date: Friday, October 17, 2014= at 3:25 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <= pwe3@ietf.org>, &= quot;l2vpn@ietf.org= " <l2vpn@ietf.o= rg>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&= gt;
Subject: PALS WG on its way ..= ..

If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the = expectation is that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks= , and will meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN= , Wednesday at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda items. For those of you= that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instea= d. For those of you that were planning to present at L2VPN, you may be pres= enting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any = questions.

We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward= . My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-s= ubscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PW= E3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant information for the list is:



_______________________________________________
BESS mailing list
BESS@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess


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In section 3.2: After the exchange of service PW state and switching request, both dual-homing PEs could determine the Active/Standby forwarding status of the working and protection service PWs. The =A1=B0switching request=A1=B1 and =A1=B0switchover request=A1=B1 = refer to the switchover request by LDP defined in RFC6870, right? In that case, you need to = describe the interaction between the mechanism defined in RFC6870 and the DHC = defined in your document. One sentence as above is not enough. E.g., in case Two-side Dual-homing Scenario, if independent mode is enabled between = two PEs, and the service PW is done, then when PE1 will switchover, after waiting for protection PW to be active, or send packets to PE2, and let = PE2 to drop packets first. =20 Overall, if the mechanism is applied to the case of Two-side Dual-homing Scenario, it switchover performance is not as good as local protection = as expected, because you have to wait for the signaling.=20 =20 Regards Lizhong =20 =20 From: =B3=CC=CE=B0=C7=BF [mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com]=20 Sent: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C211=C8=D5 11:31 To: 'David Sinicrope'; pals@ietf.org; 'Shahram Davari' Cc: 'Hui Deng'; 'Andrew Malis'; draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org; = bess@ietf. org; 'Stewart Bryant' Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES =20 Hi David, Thank you very much for your arrangement. Because of Visa issue, the authors of the draft in China could not = attend the meeting, and Shahram will help present the two topics. If it is possible, we may need change the presentations sequence: = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing protection=A1=B1 should be presented before =A1=B0MPLS-TP = Dual homing coordination=A1=B1 to be easier understandable the overall work. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =20 From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; IETF.PWE3; bess@ietf.org; Stewart = Bryant Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES Importance: High =20 Hi All, =20 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals The agenda for PALS is above. =20 Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as = possible=A1=AD only 1 hr left to the deadline. =20 Thanks, Dave =20 =20 From: David A Sinicrope Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "IETF.PWE3" , "l2vpn@ietf.org" , = Stewart Bryant , Andrew Malis , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu =20 =20 Hi All, I=A1=AFm still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post = the agenda on the meeting materials web pages.=20 =20 In the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for Honolulu. If you requested a slot and I haven=A1=AFt allocated one, my apologies, = please complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=A1=AFt requested a slot and need one, please complete the = form below and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 October 2014 = 12:00 EDT. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete = the agenda quickly and accurately. =20 =20 Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later = than Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu time. If I don=A1=AFt have your slides by that time, you risk losing your = slot. Thanks! Dave =20 =20 ********************************************************************** IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4 (45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.) ********************************************************************** Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis Secretary: David Sinicrope (x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT) =20 x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRYANT =20 =20 x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-pals-pw-fec-label-request= Objective: First submission, asking for feedback =20 =20 x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires = - Andy MALIS http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shawam-pwe3-ms-pw-protection-02 Objective: Update showing new solution based on received comments from = the previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption request. =20 =20 x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal Objective: Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how = they were addressed or will be addressed. =20 ********************************************************************** Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.) ********************************************************************** =20 xx. - None currently =20 ********************************************************************** REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S) ********************************************************************** Remote Participation Info:=20 http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/remote-participation.html =20 - No WebEx - Audio and Jabber are TBD =20 =20 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope wrote: =20 Hi All, Time to request presentation slots for IETF 91. =20 =20 If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please = reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. If L2VPNers aren't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can = send in a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded = with a copy to the requester. (See Andy=A1=AFs email below.) =20 Please use this form and please reply to this email. =20 - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk/): =20 - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address security issues and get direction from the WG): =20 - requested duration (norm is 10 min): =20 - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): =20 =20 Thanks! Dave =20 =20 From: Andrew Malis Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "IETF.PWE3" , "l2vpn@ietf.org" , = Stewart Bryant , David A Sinicrope Subject: PALS WG on its way .... =20 If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will = meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday = at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for = agenda items. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to = present at L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily = for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any questions.=20 =20 We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. = My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not = on the PWE3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant information for the list is: =20 List address: pals@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals =20 Thanks, Andy =20 _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess =20 ------=_NextPart_000_01FC_01CFFDBC.B88C86D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Have a quick review of = draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination-01.

In section 3.2:

After the exchange = of service PW state and switching request, both

   dual-homing PEs could determine the Active/Standby = forwarding status

   of the = working and protection service PWs.

The =A1=B0switching request=A1=B1 and =A1=B0switchover request=A1=B1 = refer to the switchover request by LDP defined in RFC6870, right? In = that case, you need to describe the interaction between the mechanism = defined in RFC6870 and the DHC defined in your document. One sentence as = above is not enough. E.g., in case Two-side Dual-homing Scenario, if = independent mode is enabled between two PEs, and the service PW is done, = then when PE1 will switchover, after waiting for protection PW to be = active, or send packets to PE2, and let PE2 to drop packets = first.

 

Overall, if the mechanism is applied to the case of Two-side = Dual-homing Scenario, it switchover performance is not as good as local = protection as expected, because you have to wait for the signaling. =

 

Regards

Lizhong

 

 

From:= = =B3=CC=CE=B0=C7=BF = [mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com]
Sent: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C211=C8=D5 = 11:31
To: 'David Sinicrope'; pals@ietf.org; 'Shahram = Davari'
Cc: 'Hui Deng'; 'Andrew Malis'; = draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org; = bess@ietf.org; 'Stewart Bryant'
Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF = 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES

 

Hi David,

Thank you very much for your arrangement.

Because of Visa issue, the authors of the draft in China could not = attend the meeting, and Shahram will help present the two = topics.

If it is possible, we may need change the presentations sequence: = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing protection=A1=B1 should be presented before = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing coordination=A1=B1 to be easier understandable = the overall work.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

 

From:= = Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of David Sinicrope
Sent: Tuesday, November = 11, 2014 10:06 AM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; = IETF.PWE3; bess@ietf.org; Stewart = Bryant
Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - = Honolulu - SLIDES
Importance: = High

 

H= i All,

<= o:p> 

<= a = href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals">http://= www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals

T= he agenda for PALS is above.

<= o:p> 

S= peakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as = possible=A1=AD only 1 hr left to the = deadline.

<= o:p> 

T= hanks,

D= ave

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com= >
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM
To: = "pals@ietf.org" = <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: = "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant = <stbryant@cisco.com>, = Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - = Honolulu

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

H= i All,

I= =A1=AFm still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post = the agenda on the meeting materials web = pages. 

<= o:p> 

I= n the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for = Honolulu.

I= f you requested a slot and I haven=A1=AFt allocated one, my apologies, = please complete the form below and send it in reply to this = email.

I= f you haven=A1=AFt requested a slot and need one, please complete the = form below and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 = October 2014 12:00 EDT.

*= ** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the = agenda quickly and accurately.  

<= o:p> 

T= hose that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than = Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu = time.

I= f I don=A1=AFt have your slides by that time, you risk losing your = slot.

T= hanks!

D= ave

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

IETF 91 PALS = - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4<= o:p>

(45/120 min = allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Chairs: = Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis<= o:p>

Secretary: = David Sinicrope<= o:p>

(x =3D slide = sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT)<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

x1. 15 min - = Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart = BRYANT<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x2. 10 min - = MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE<= o:p>

Objective: =  First submission, asking for feedback<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x3. 10 min - = S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires - Andy = MALIS<= o:p>

Objective: = Update showing new solution based on received comments from the previous = revision, to prepare for WG adoption request.<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x4. 10 min - = A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT<= o:p>

Objective: = Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how they were = addressed or will be addressed.<= o:p>

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**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Overflow = (Will be presented if time permits.)<= o:p>

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<= o:p> 

xx. - None = currently<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

REMOTE = INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Remote = Participation Info: <= o:p>

<= o:p> 

- No = WebEx<= o:p>

- Audio and = Jabber are TBD<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

O= n Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com> = wrote:

<= o:p> 

H= i All,

T= ime to request presentation slots for IETF 91.  

 

I= f you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please = reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. =   If L2VPNers aren't sure = if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send in a = request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded with a = copy to the requester.  (See Andy=A1=AFs email = below.)

 

P= lease use this form and please reply to this email.

&= nbsp;

-= topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

-= brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and = resolved via the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to = address security issues and get direction from the WG): =  

-= requested duration (norm is 10 min):  

-= speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): =  

&= nbsp;

T= hanks!

D= ave

 

 

From: Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, = October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org" = <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE= 3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, = Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>
Subject:&nbs= p;PALS WG on its way ....

<= o:p> 

I= f you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is = that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will = meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, = Wednesday at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a = call for agenda items. For those of you that were planning to present at = PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instead. For those of you that were = planning to present at L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, = the latter primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if = you have any questions.

<= o:p> 

W= e would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. = My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been = auto-subscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not = on the PWE3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The = relevant information for the list is:

<= o:p> 

L= ist address: <= a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pals@ietf.org<= br>Archive: <= a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/<= br>To subscribe: <= a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals" = target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals

<= o:p> 

T= hanks,

A= ndy

<= o:p> 

<= br>_______________________________________________
BESS mailing = list
BESS@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess

<= o:p> 

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Hi Lizhong= ,

 = ;

Thanks a l= ot for your review and comment. Please see my replies inline:

 = ;

Best regar= ds,

Jie

 = ;

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lizhong Jin
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:35 PM
To: '=B3=CC=CE=B0=C7=BF'; 'David Sinicrope';= pals@ietf.org; 'Shahram Davari'
Cc: 'Stewart Bryant'; 'Andrew Malis'; bess@ietf.org; draft-cheng-pwe= 3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org; 'Hui Deng'
Subject: Re: [bess] [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - S= LIDES

 

Hi,

Have a qui= ck review of draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination-01.

In section= 3.2:

After the exchange of service PW state and = switching request, both

   dual-homing PEs could determin= e the Active/Standby forwarding status

   of the working and protection = service PWs.

The =A1=B0= switching request=A1=B1 and =A1=B0switchover request=A1=B1 refer to the swi= tchover request by LDP defined in RFC6870, right? In that case, you need to= describe the interaction between the mechanism defined in RFC6870 and the DHC defin= ed in your document. One sentence as above is not enough. E.g., in case Two= -side Dual-homing Scenario, if independent mode is enabled between two PEs,= and the service PW is done, then when PE1 will switchover, after waiting for protection PW to be active, or= send packets to PE2, and let PE2 to drop packets first.<= /p>

 = ;

[Jie] Here the switching request refers to the =A1=B0Dual-Node Switc= hing TLV=A1=B1 in DHC message exchanged between the dual-homing PEs, it does not rely on RFC6870.

 

[Jie] I guess the =A1=B0PE2=A1=B1 in your above example means the r= emote side PE (not the other dual-homing PE in the same side), right? If so, the switchover coordination between PE1 and PE2 can be achieved usi= ng PSC defined in RFC6378.

 = ;

Overall, i= f the mechanism is applied to the case of Two-side Dual-homing Scenario, it= switchover performance is not as good as local protection as expected, because you have to wait for the signaling.

 = ;

[Jie] If it is a AC f= ailure, switchover is needed only on the dual-homing PEs in one side, signa= ling with the remote side is NOT needed. If it is a PW failure in PSN network, switchover coordination between the two sides can be perfo= rmed by mechanism like PSC, and I think the performance would be similar to= PSC.

 = ;

 = ;

Regards

Lizhong

 = ;

 = ;

From: =B3=CC=CE= =B0=C7=BF [mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com]
Sent: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C211=C8= =D5 11:31
To: 'David Sinicrope'; pals@ietf.or= g; 'Shahram Davari'
Cc: 'Hui Deng'; 'Andrew Malis'; draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; 'Stewart Bryant'
Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES

 

Hi David,<= o:p>

Thank you = very much for your arrangement.

Because of= Visa issue, the authors of the draft in China could not attend the meeting= , and Shahram will help present the two topics.

If it is p= ossible, we may need change the presentations sequence: =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual = homing protection=A1=B1 should be presented before =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homin= g coordination=A1=B1 to be easier understandable the overall work.

 = ;

B.R.<= /o:p>

Weiqiang C= heng

 = ;

 = ;

From: Pals [mailto= :pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Mal= is; IETF.PWE3; bess@ietf.org; Stewart Bryant
Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES Importance: High

 

Hi All,

 

The agenda for= PALS is above.

 

Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as possible=A1= =AD only 1 hr left to the deadline.

 

Thanks,

Dave

 

 

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com<= /a>>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org" &= lt;pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@= ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, Stewa= rt Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com&= gt;, Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <<= a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu=

 

 

Hi All,

I=A1=AFm still= waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post the agenda on the= meeting materials web pages. 

 

In the meantim= e, below is the draft PALS agenda for Honolulu.

If you request= ed a slot and I haven=A1=AFt allocated one, my apologies, please complete t= he form below and send it in reply to this email.

If you haven= =A1=AFt requested a slot and need one, please complete the form below and s= end it in reply to this email no later than 31 October 2014 12:00 EDT.

*** Taking a c= ouple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the agenda quickly = and accurately.  

 

Those that hav= e slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than Monday 10 Nov 2= 014 17:00 Honolulu time.

If I don=A1=AF= t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot.

Thanks!

Dave

 

 

***********************************************= ***********************

IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 1= 3:00 - 15:00 Coral 4

(45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time = adjustments.)

***********************************************= ***********************

Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis

Secretary: David Sinicrope

(x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30= , 2014 19:00 EDT)

 

x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status = - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRYANT

 

 

x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE

Objective:  First submission, asking for f= eedback

 

 

x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static = Multi-Segment Pseudowires - Andy MALIS

Objective: Update showing new solution based on= received comments from the previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption r= equest.

 

 

x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseu= dowires - Stewart BRYANT<= /o:p>

Objective: Discuss comments and get some workin= g group feedback on how they were addressed or will be addressed.

 

***********************************************= ***********************

Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.)

***********************************************= ***********************

 

xx. - None currently

 

***********************************************= ***********************

REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)

***********************************************= ***********************

Remote Participation Info: 

 

- No WebEx

- Audio and Jabber are TBD

 

 

On Mon, Oct 20= , 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com> wrote:

 

Hi All,=

Time to reques= t presentation slots for IETF 91.  

&nbs= p;

If you need a = presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. &nbs= p; If L2VPNers aren'= t sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send in = a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded with a copy to the requester.  (See Andy=A1=AFs ema= il below.)

&nbs= p;

Please use thi= s form and please reply to this email.

 <= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">

- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

- brief statem= ent of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and resolved via the= presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to address security issues and get direction from the WG):  

- requested du= ration (norm is 10 min):  

- speaker Give= n-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE):  

 <= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">

Thanks!=

Dave

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

From:&nbs= p;Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>=
Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM
To: "pa= ls@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>
Subject: PALS WG on its way ....

 

If you haven't= been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is that PALS will b= e officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday at = 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda= items. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be p= resenting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to present at L2VPN, you may be presenting at PA= LS or at BESS, the latter primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or= me know if you have any questions.

 

We would also = like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. My understanding = is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PWE3 list, = you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant information= for the list is:

 

List address:&= nbsp;pals@ietf.org
Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/=
To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals=

 

Thanks,

Andy

 


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In section 3.2: After the exchange of service PW state and switching request, both dual-homing PEs could determine the Active/Standby forwarding status of the working and protection service PWs. The =A1=B0switching request=A1=B1 and =A1=B0switchover request=A1=B1 = refer to the switchover request by LDP defined in RFC6870, right? In that case, you need to = describe the interaction between the mechanism defined in RFC6870 and the DHC = defined in your document. One sentence as above is not enough. E.g., in case Two-side Dual-homing Scenario, if independent mode is enabled between = two PEs, and the service PW is done, then when PE1 will switchover, after waiting for protection PW to be active, or send packets to PE2, and let = PE2 to drop packets first. =20 [Jie] Here the switching request refers to the =A1=B0Dual-Node Switching = TLV=A1=B1 in DHC message exchanged between the dual-homing PEs, it does not rely = on RFC6870.=20 =20 [Jie] I guess the =A1=B0PE2=A1=B1 in your above example means the remote = side PE (not the other dual-homing PE in the same side), right? If so, the switchover coordination between PE1 and PE2 can be achieved using PSC defined in RFC6378.=20 [Lizhong] I see. Could you say that explicitly, and the relationship = with RFC6378? And I suggest to not use terminology =A1=B0standby=A1=B1. You = could use, e. g., normal state on protection PW. A PW in standby state is clearly = defined in RFC6870. Another concern from me is in the second presentation, slide 9, if = failure 3 and 5 happened simultaneously (or failure 1 and 3), it is possible that = one packet from CE1 will be send to PE2 by PE1, and PE2 will send back to = CE1 (the AC2 is active because of the failure5), then that looped packet may influence the MAC table of CE switch. This is a corner case, but it = seems it is possible. If the CE switch allows MAC moving, this looped packet may = lead to traffic loss. =20 Regards Lizhong =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Overall, if the mechanism is applied to the case of Two-side Dual-homing Scenario, it switchover performance is not as good as local protection = as expected, because you have to wait for the signaling.=20 =20 [Jie] If it is a AC failure, switchover is needed only on the = dual-homing PEs in one side, signaling with the remote side is NOT needed. If it is = a PW failure in PSN network, switchover coordination between the two sides = can be performed by mechanism like PSC, and I think the performance would be similar to PSC. =20 =20 Regards Lizhong =20 =20 From: =B3=CC=CE=B0=C7=BF [mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com]=20 Sent: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C211=C8=D5 11:31 To: 'David Sinicrope'; pals@ietf.org; 'Shahram Davari' Cc: 'Hui Deng'; 'Andrew Malis'; draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org; = bess@ietf. org; 'Stewart Bryant' Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES =20 Hi David, Thank you very much for your arrangement. Because of Visa issue, the authors of the draft in China could not = attend the meeting, and Shahram will help present the two topics. If it is possible, we may need change the presentations sequence: = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing protection=A1=B1 should be presented before =A1=B0MPLS-TP = Dual homing coordination=A1=B1 to be easier understandable the overall work. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =20 From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; IETF.PWE3; bess@ietf.org; Stewart = Bryant Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES Importance: High =20 Hi All, =20 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals The agenda for PALS is above. =20 Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as = possible=A1=AD only 1 hr left to the deadline. =20 Thanks, Dave =20 =20 From: David A Sinicrope Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "IETF.PWE3" , "l2vpn@ietf.org" , = Stewart Bryant , Andrew Malis , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu =20 =20 Hi All, I=A1=AFm still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post = the agenda on the meeting materials web pages.=20 =20 In the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for Honolulu. If you requested a slot and I haven=A1=AFt allocated one, my apologies, = please complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=A1=AFt requested a slot and need one, please complete the = form below and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 October 2014 = 12:00 EDT. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete = the agenda quickly and accurately. =20 =20 Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later = than Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu time. If I don=A1=AFt have your slides by that time, you risk losing your = slot. Thanks! Dave =20 =20 ********************************************************************** IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4 (45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.) ********************************************************************** Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis Secretary: David Sinicrope (x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT) =20 x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRYANT =20 =20 x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-pals-pw-fec-label-request= Objective: First submission, asking for feedback =20 =20 x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires = - Andy MALIS http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shawam-pwe3-ms-pw-protection-02 Objective: Update showing new solution based on received comments from = the previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption request. =20 =20 x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal Objective: Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how = they were addressed or will be addressed. =20 ********************************************************************** Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.) ********************************************************************** =20 xx. - None currently =20 ********************************************************************** REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S) ********************************************************************** Remote Participation Info:=20 http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/remote-participation.html =20 - No WebEx - Audio and Jabber are TBD =20 =20 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope wrote: =20 Hi All, Time to request presentation slots for IETF 91. =20 =20 If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please = reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. If L2VPNers aren't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can = send in a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded = with a copy to the requester. (See Andy=A1=AFs email below.) =20 Please use this form and please reply to this email. =20 - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk/): =20 - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address security issues and get direction from the WG): =20 - requested duration (norm is 10 min): =20 - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): =20 =20 Thanks! Dave =20 =20 From: Andrew Malis Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "IETF.PWE3" , "l2vpn@ietf.org" , = Stewart Bryant , David A Sinicrope Subject: PALS WG on its way .... =20 If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will = meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday = at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for = agenda items. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to = present at L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily = for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any questions.=20 =20 We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. = My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not = on the PWE3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant information for the list is: =20 List address: pals@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals =20 Thanks, Andy =20 _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0244_01CFFDD9.F2DBB7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Have a quick review of = draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination-01.

In section 3.2:

After the exchange = of service PW state and switching request, both

   dual-homing PEs could determine the Active/Standby = forwarding status

   of the = working and protection service PWs.

The =A1=B0switching request=A1=B1 and =A1=B0switchover request=A1=B1 = refer to the switchover request by LDP defined in RFC6870, right? In = that case, you need to describe the interaction between the mechanism = defined in RFC6870 and the DHC defined in your document. One sentence as = above is not enough. E.g., in case Two-side Dual-homing Scenario, if = independent mode is enabled between two PEs, and the service PW is done, = then when PE1 will switchover, after waiting for protection PW to be = active, or send packets to PE2, and let PE2 to drop packets = first.

 

[Jie] Here = the switching request refers to the =A1=B0Dual-Node Switching TLV=A1=B1 = in DHC message exchanged between the dual-homing PEs, it does not rely = on RFC6870.

 =

[Jie] I = guess the =A1=B0PE2=A1=B1 in your above example means the remote side PE = (not the other dual-homing PE in the same side), right? If so, the = switchover coordination between PE1 and PE2 can be achieved using PSC = defined in RFC6378.

[Lizhong] I see. Could you say that explicitly, and the relationship = with RFC6378? And I suggest to not use terminology =A1=B0standby=A1=B1. = You could use, e.g., normal state on protection PW. A PW in standby = state is clearly defined in RFC6870.

Another concern from me is in the second presentation, slide 9, if = failure 3 and 5 happened simultaneously (or failure 1 and 3), it is = possible that one packet from CE1 will be send to PE2 by PE1, and PE2 = will send back to CE1 (the AC2 is active because of the failure5), then = that looped packet may influence the MAC table of CE switch. This is a = corner case, but it seems it is possible. If the CE switch allows MAC = moving, this looped packet may lead to traffic = loss.

 

Regards

Lizhong

 

 

 

 

 

Overall, if the mechanism is applied to the case of Two-side = Dual-homing Scenario, it switchover performance is not as good as local = protection as expected, because you have to wait for the signaling. =

 

[Jie] If = it is a AC failure, switchover is needed only on the dual-homing PEs in = one side, signaling with the remote side is NOT needed. If it is a PW = failure in PSN network, switchover coordination between the two sides = can be performed by mechanism like PSC, and I think the performance = would be similar to PSC.

 

 

Regards

Lizhong

 

 

From:= = =B3=CC=CE=B0=C7=BF = [mailto:chengweiqiang@chinam= obile.com]
Sent: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C211=C8=D5 = 11:31
To: 'David Sinicrope'; pals@ietf.org; 'Shahram = Davari'
Cc: 'Hui Deng'; 'Andrew Malis'; draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org<= /a>; bess@ietf.org; 'Stewart = Bryant'
Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - = Honolulu - SLIDES

 

Hi David,

Thank you very much for your arrangement.

Because of Visa issue, the authors of the draft in China could not = attend the meeting, and Shahram will help present the two = topics.

If it is possible, we may need change the presentations sequence: = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing protection=A1=B1 should be presented before = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing coordination=A1=B1 to be easier understandable = the overall work.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

 

From:= = Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of David Sinicrope
Sent: Tuesday, November = 11, 2014 10:06 AM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; = IETF.PWE3; bess@ietf.org; Stewart = Bryant
Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - = Honolulu - SLIDES
Importance: = High

 

H= i All,

<= o:p> 

<= a = href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals">http://= www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals

T= he agenda for PALS is above.

<= o:p> 

S= peakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as = possible=A1=AD only 1 hr left to the = deadline.

<= o:p> 

T= hanks,

D= ave

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com= >
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM
To: = "pals@ietf.org" = <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: = "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant = <stbryant@cisco.com>, = Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - = Honolulu

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

H= i All,

I= =A1=AFm still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post = the agenda on the meeting materials web = pages. 

<= o:p> 

I= n the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for = Honolulu.

I= f you requested a slot and I haven=A1=AFt allocated one, my apologies, = please complete the form below and send it in reply to this = email.

I= f you haven=A1=AFt requested a slot and need one, please complete the = form below and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 = October 2014 12:00 EDT.

*= ** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the = agenda quickly and accurately.  

<= o:p> 

T= hose that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than = Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu = time.

I= f I don=A1=AFt have your slides by that time, you risk losing your = slot.

T= hanks!

D= ave

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

IETF 91 PALS = - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4<= o:p>

(45/120 min = allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Chairs: = Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis<= o:p>

Secretary: = David Sinicrope<= o:p>

(x =3D slide = sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT)<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

x1. 15 min - = Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart = BRYANT<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x2. 10 min - = MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE<= o:p>

Objective: =  First submission, asking for feedback<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x3. 10 min - = S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires - Andy = MALIS<= o:p>

Objective: = Update showing new solution based on received comments from the previous = revision, to prepare for WG adoption request.<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x4. 10 min - = A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT<= o:p>

Objective: = Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how they were = addressed or will be addressed.<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Overflow = (Will be presented if time permits.)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

xx. - None = currently<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

REMOTE = INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Remote = Participation Info: <= o:p>

<= o:p> 

- No = WebEx<= o:p>

- Audio and = Jabber are TBD<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

O= n Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com> = wrote:

<= o:p> 

H= i All,

T= ime to request presentation slots for IETF 91.  

 

I= f you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please = reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. =   If L2VPNers aren't sure = if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send in a = request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded with a = copy to the requester.  (See Andy=A1=AFs email = below.)

 

P= lease use this form and please reply to this email.

&= nbsp;

-= topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

-= brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and = resolved via the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to = address security issues and get direction from the WG): =  

-= requested duration (norm is 10 min):  

-= speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): =  

&= nbsp;

T= hanks!

D= ave

 

 

From: Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, = October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org" = <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE= 3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, = Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>
Subject:&nbs= p;PALS WG on its way ....

<= o:p> 

I= f you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is = that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will = meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, = Wednesday at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a = call for agenda items. For those of you that were planning to present at = PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instead. For those of you that were = planning to present at L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, = the latter primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if = you have any questions.

<= o:p> 

W= e would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. = My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been = auto-subscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not = on the PWE3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The = relevant information for the list is:

<= o:p> 

L= ist address: <= a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pals@ietf.org<= br>Archive: <= a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/<= br>To subscribe: <= a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals" = target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals

<= o:p> 

T= hanks,

A= ndy

<= o:p> 

<= br>_______________________________________________
BESS mailing = list
BESS@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess

<= o:p> 

------=_NextPart_000_0244_01CFFDD9.F2DBB7D0-- From nobody Tue Nov 11 08:23:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69431AD4F4; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:31:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.228 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cbdDvFfjO_ml; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BEF71A6F38; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.5]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app03-12003 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee3546182f3ab3-cded4; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:30:59 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee3546182f3ab3-cded4 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from chengweiqiang (unknown[117.79.232.224]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr03-12003 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee3546182ef87e-6f0b0; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:30:58 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee3546182ef87e-6f0b0 From: =?gb2312?B?s8zOsMe/?= To: "'David Sinicrope'" , , "'Shahram Davari'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:30:55 +0800 Message-ID: <000901cffd5f$e8029ec0$b807dc40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CFFDA2.F625DEC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHP/VQZHqOzMsDfbUyUw/W8mdfHApxawsww Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/TOBGIa5AbZs1Me8NkC2RmLlZXJ0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:23:53 -0800 Cc: 'Hui Deng' , 'Andrew Malis' , draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, 'Stewart Bryant' Subject: Re: [bess] [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 03:31:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CFFDA2.F625DEC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01CFFDA2.F625DEC0" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01CFFDA2.F625DEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, Thank you very much for your arrangement. Because of Visa issue, the authors of the draft in China could not = attend the meeting, and Shahram will help present the two topics. If it is possible, we may need change the presentations sequence: = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing protection=A1=B1 should be presented before =A1=B0MPLS-TP = Dual homing coordination=A1=B1 to be easier understandable the overall work. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =20 From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 AM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; IETF.PWE3; bess@ietf.org; Stewart = Bryant Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES Importance: High =20 Hi All, =20 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals The agenda for PALS is above. =20 Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as = possible=A1=AD only 1 hr left to the deadline. =20 Thanks, Dave =20 =20 From: David A Sinicrope Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "IETF.PWE3" , "l2vpn@ietf.org" , = Stewart Bryant , Andrew Malis , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu =20 =20 Hi All, I=A1=AFm still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post = the agenda on the meeting materials web pages.=20 =20 In the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for Honolulu. If you requested a slot and I haven=A1=AFt allocated one, my apologies, = please complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=A1=AFt requested a slot and need one, please complete the = form below and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 October 2014 = 12:00 EDT. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete = the agenda quickly and accurately. =20 =20 Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later = than Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu time. If I don=A1=AFt have your slides by that time, you risk losing your = slot. Thanks! Dave =20 =20 ********************************************************************** IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4 (45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.) ********************************************************************** Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis Secretary: David Sinicrope (x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT) =20 x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRYANT =20 =20 x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-pals-pw-fec-label-request= Objective: First submission, asking for feedback =20 =20 x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires = - Andy MALIS http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shawam-pwe3-ms-pw-protection-02 Objective: Update showing new solution based on received comments from = the previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption request. =20 =20 x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal Objective: Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how = they were addressed or will be addressed. =20 ********************************************************************** Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.) ********************************************************************** =20 xx. - None currently =20 ********************************************************************** REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S) ********************************************************************** Remote Participation Info:=20 http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/remote-participation.html =20 - No WebEx - Audio and Jabber are TBD =20 =20 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope wrote: =20 Hi All, Time to request presentation slots for IETF 91. =20 =20 If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please = reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. If L2VPNers aren't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can = send in a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded = with a copy to the requester. (See Andy=A1=AFs email below.) =20 Please use this form and please reply to this email. =20 - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk/): =20 - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address security issues and get direction from the WG): =20 - requested duration (norm is 10 min): =20 - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): =20 =20 Thanks! Dave =20 =20 From: Andrew Malis Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "IETF.PWE3" , "l2vpn@ietf.org" , = Stewart Bryant , David A Sinicrope Subject: PALS WG on its way .... =20 If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will = meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday = at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for = agenda items. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to = present at L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily = for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any questions.=20 =20 We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. = My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not = on the PWE3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant information for the list is: =20 List address: pals@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals =20 Thanks, Andy =20 _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess =20 ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01CFFDA2.F625DEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi David,

Thank you very much for your arrangement.

Because of Visa issue, the authors of the draft in China could not = attend the meeting, and Shahram will help present the two = topics.

If it is possible, we may need change the presentations sequence: = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing protection=A1=B1 should be presented before = =A1=B0MPLS-TP Dual homing coordination=A1=B1 to be easier understandable = the overall work.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

 

From:= Pals = [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David = Sinicrope
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:06 = AM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew = Malis; IETF.PWE3; bess@ietf.org; Stewart Bryant
Subject: Re: = [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - = SLIDES
Importance: High

 

H= i All,

<= o:p> 

<= a = href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals">http://= www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals

T= he agenda for PALS is above.

<= o:p> 

S= peakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as = possible=A1=AD only 1 hr left to the = deadline.

<= o:p> 

T= hanks,

D= ave

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com= >
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM
To: = "pals@ietf.org" = <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: = "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant = <stbryant@cisco.com>, = Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - = Honolulu

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

H= i All,

I= =A1=AFm still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post = the agenda on the meeting materials web = pages. 

<= o:p> 

I= n the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for = Honolulu.

I= f you requested a slot and I haven=A1=AFt allocated one, my apologies, = please complete the form below and send it in reply to this = email.

I= f you haven=A1=AFt requested a slot and need one, please complete the = form below and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 = October 2014 12:00 EDT.

*= ** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the = agenda quickly and accurately.  

<= o:p> 

T= hose that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than = Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu = time.

I= f I don=A1=AFt have your slides by that time, you risk losing your = slot.

T= hanks!

D= ave

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

IETF 91 PALS = - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4<= o:p>

(45/120 min = allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Chairs: = Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis<= o:p>

Secretary: = David Sinicrope<= o:p>

(x =3D slide = sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT)<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

x1. 15 min - = Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart = BRYANT<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x2. 10 min - = MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE<= o:p>

Objective: =  First submission, asking for feedback<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x3. 10 min - = S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires - Andy = MALIS<= o:p>

Objective: = Update showing new solution based on received comments from the previous = revision, to prepare for WG adoption request.<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

x4. 10 min - = A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT<= o:p>

Objective: = Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how they were = addressed or will be addressed.<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Overflow = (Will be presented if time permits.)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

xx. - None = currently<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

REMOTE = INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)<= o:p>

**************= ********************************************************<= o:p>

Remote = Participation Info: <= o:p>

<= o:p> 

- No = WebEx<= o:p>

- Audio and = Jabber are TBD<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

O= n Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com> = wrote:

<= o:p> 

H= i All,

T= ime to request presentation slots for IETF 91.  

 

I= f you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please = reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. =   If L2VPNers = aren't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can = send in a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be = forwarded with a copy to the requester.  (See Andy=A1=AFs email = below.)

 

P= lease use this form and please reply to this email.

&= nbsp;

-= topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

-= brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and = resolved via the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to = address security issues and get direction from the WG): =  

-= requested duration (norm is 10 min):  

-= speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): =  

&= nbsp;

T= hanks!

D= ave

 

 

From: Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, = October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org" = <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE= 3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, = Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>
Subject:&nbs= p;PALS WG on its way ....

<= o:p> 

I= f you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is = that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will = meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, = Wednesday at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a = call for agenda items. For those of you that were planning to present at = PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instead. For those of you that were = planning to present at L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, = the latter primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if = you have any questions.

<= o:p> 

W= e would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. = My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been = auto-subscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not = on the PWE3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The = relevant information for the list is:

<= o:p> 

L= ist address: <= a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pals@ietf.org<= br>Archive: <= a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/<= br>To subscribe: <= a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals" = target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals

<= o:p> 

T= hanks,

A= ndy

<= o:p> 

<= br>_______________________________________________
BESS mailing = list
BESS@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess

<= o:p> 

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Vigoureux' \(martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com\)" , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] RTG Dir QA review: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:08:26 -0000 --_000_9a922d02a58240568793559b0e44a5e1BL2PR03MB372namprd03pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ross, Thank you very much for your review and detailed comments, we really apprec= iate! We are going to first reissue the draft as BESS working group doc 00 versio= n as it is for book keeping purpose, then address all your comments in the = 01 version. Thanks, Luyuan From: Ross Callon [mailto:rcallon@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:58 PM To: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; mnapierala@att.com; Luyuan Fang Cc: bess@ietf.org; Ross Callon; EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com; 'Martin Vigo= ureux' (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com) Subject: RTG Dir QA review: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate QA reviewer for draft-ietf-= l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt The Routing Directorate QA reviews are intended to be a support to improve = the quality of RTG Area documents as they pass through the IETF process. Th= is is the QA review at the time of the WG document adoption poll. Summary This document serves a useful purpose in clarifying the requirements for ex= tending BGP/MPLS to support virtual end systems, such as might be found in = a data center environment. As such it seems a good companion to the soluti= ons drafts and appropriate as a WG document. I am assuming that the chairs = and AD will know whether this should be reissued as draft-ietf-bess-end-sys= tem-requirements-00.txt or perhaps as draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-end-system-requ= irements-00.txt. I believe that the technical contents of this document are excellent. The d= ocument however contains a significant number of minor grammatical issues, = ranging from nits to minor editorial issues. Given the large number of such= grammatical issues I believe that the document should be updated before it= will be ready for WGLC. Comments >From a technical point of view I believe that the document is useful, sound= and well written. The rest of these comments is a long list of grammatical= nits and suggested improvements. Abstract, second sentence: "Virtualized end-system environment imposes addi= tional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology". For correct English this s= hould be either "The virtualized end-system environment imposes additional = requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology" or "Virtualized end-system environ= ments impose additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology". Personall= y I would have a slight preference for the latter. Introduction, first paragraph, fourth sentence: "This is referred as server= , storage, and network virtualization". I think that this should be "This i= s referred to as server, storage, and network virtualization". Introduction, first paragraph, last sentence. This currently reads "Compute= nodes running guest operating systems are often executed as Virtual Machin= es (or VMs)". Is it well known what is meant by a "guest operating system"?= For me at least this could use some clarification. Introduction, third paragraph, last sentence: "The solutions may referred a= s End-System solutions or virtual PE (vPE) solutions in different documents= ". This should be "The solutions may be referred to in other documents as E= nd-System solutions or virtual PE (vPE) solutions". Section 1.1 (Terminology), first paragraph. This reads: The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. This paragraph is redundant with the earlier "Requirements Language" sectio= n and should be removed. Section 2, first sentence: "MPLS/BGP VPN technology [RFC4364] have proven t= o be able to..." should be either "MPLS/BGP VPN technology [RFC4364] has proven to be able to..." or "MPLS/BGP VPNs [RFC4364] have proven to be able to...". Section 2, first paragraph, second sentence: "In traditional WAN deployment= s of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge (CE) is a physical device, residing a customer's location, connected to a Provider Edge (PE), residing= in a Service Provider's location.". Do you mean "In traditional WAN deployments of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge router (CE) is a physical device= , residing a customer's location, connected to a Provider Edge router (PE),= residing in a Service Provider's location."? Section 2.1, first paragraph: "When end-system attaches to MPLS/BGP VPN, CE= corresponds to a non-routing host that can reside in a Virtual Machine or = be an application residing on the end-system itself". Do you mean "When an = end-system attaches to an MPLS/BGP VPN, the CE may correspond to a non-rout= ing host that can reside in a Virtual Machine or may be an application resi= ding on the end-system itself"? In section 1.1 you listed the acronym "CE" = as being short for "CE router". In this case, if the CE is not a router, th= en isn't the acronym wrong? Do you want the acronym "CE" for "customer edge= equipment", and "CER" for "customer edge router"? Alternately, in 1.1 shou= ld "CE" be an acronym for "customer edge device (either router or end syste= m)"? Section 2.1, in the second paragraph you use the term "transport network in= frastructure". It seems to me that this seems to refer to something other t= han what is normally meant by "transport network infrastructure". Do you me= an "core routers in the service provider network", or "data center routers"= ? I see however that you are however consistent in the way that you use "tr= ansport network". Perhaps you should explain this term up front. It is poss= ible that your use of the term is common and that this use is okay. Section 2.1, third paragraph, second sentence: "In such deployments PE may = be..." should be "In such deployments the PE may be...". Section 2.2, second paragraph, first sentence. This currently reads: In end-system environment, a single end-system, effectively, correspond= s to a line card in a traditional PE router. I am not sure what the word "effectively" is doing in this sentence. Section 3.1, first sentence: "A network virtualization solution should be a= ble to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast connectivity between hosts in the same= and different subnets without any assumptions regarding the underlying med= ia layer". I think that this would be a bit cleaner if written "A network v= irtualization solution should be able to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast conn= ectivity between hosts in the same subnet or in different subnets without a= ny assumptions regarding the underlying media layer". Section 3.2, first sentence: "Furthermore, the multicast transmission,...".= This should be "Furthermore multicast transmission,...". Also, I believe t= hat there should be a comma immediately after "IPv6 addresses". Section 3.3, fourth sentence: "End-system network virtualization solution s= hould be able to provide...". This should be either "The end-system network= virtualization solution should be able to provide..." or "End-system netwo= rk virtualization solutions should be able to provide...". Section 4, bullet items: The first three of these do not start with a sente= nce, the fourth does start with a sentence. For correct parallel grammar th= ey either should all start with a sentence or none of them should. Also, th= e sentence which is the fourth bullet item again has either a word "An" mis= sing from the front, or "end-point" should be plural ("end-points"). Section 4, last paragraph (after the bullets): "End-system network virtuali= zation solution should support...". Again, this should be either "The end-= system network virtualization solution should support..." or "End-system ne= twork virtualization solutions should support...". Section 7, third paragraph, last sentence. There is an extra or mis-placed = comma, "with both, internal..." should be "with both internal...". Section 7.1, first sentence. There is a word missing: "MPLS/VPN technology = based on [RFC4364] specifies that different encapsulation methods could be = for connecting PE routers,..." should be "MPLS/VPN technology based on [RFC= 4364] specifies that different encapsulation methods could be used for conn= ecting PE routers,...". Section 7.1, third paragraph: I think that "MPLS-in-IP" and "MPLS-In-GRE" a= re normally hyphenated. I think that "Due to route aggregation property of= IP protocols" should be "Due to the route aggregation property of IP proto= cols". Section 9, first paragraph, end of last sentence, again a "the" is missing.= "...is an effective way to solve IP mobility problem" should be "...is an = effective way to solve the IP mobility problem". Section 9, second paragraph, first sentence: "IP mobility consists in a dev= ice physically moving..." should be "IP mobility consists of a device physi= cally moving...". Second sentence, again a "the" is missing. Second sente= nce should start: "IP mobility requires preserving the device's active netw= ork connections...". Section 9.3, second paragraph, first sentence. This currently reads: To minimize the disruption to established communication during workloa= d or device mobility, the control plane of a network virtualization solution should be able t= o differentiate between the activation of a workload in a new location from advertizing its rou= te to the network. I can't figure out what this sentence is supposed to say. Thus I can't prop= ose alternate wording but you should look at it carefully. The following se= ntence is again missing a "the", as in "prior to the workload's migration". Section 10, first paragraph, second sentence: Again "the" is missing, as in= "virtualized resources in the SP's data center". The next sentence "and" i= s missing, as in "... and wireless connectivity". Section 10, right after the list of bullets the rest of this section is sti= ll indented. I suspect that you need to fiddle with XML2RFC or other source= format to get this lined up correctly. First paragraph after the bullets, = second sentence is again missing "the", as in "... the VPN's IP routing inf= ormation". Section 11.1, again this is missing a "a" or "the", as in "BGP was designed= to carry a very large amount of ...". Section 11.1.1, first paragraph, third sentence. The beginning of this sent= ence is a bit off. I suggest that you change "These techniques allow to for= ward traffic almost continuously using ..." to "These techniques allow traf= fic to be forwarded almost continuously using ...". Section 12, third paragraph is awkward. I would suggest changing this to "O= ne solution that has been proposed in the IETF is [I-D.rfernando-l3vpn-serv= ice-chaining]". Section 12.1, second paragraph, first sentence has an unnecessary comma aft= er the word "both". This should be: "Load balancing should support deployme= nts where both virtual and physical service appliances are present.". Section 12.2, second paragraph, first sentence. I think that you should cha= nge "It is a requirement that service chaining solution satisfies the requi= rements of symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and a minimal traffic = disruption when service instances are added to or removed from a set of ins= tances." to be "It is a requirement that the service chaining solution sati= sfies the requirements of symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and for= a minimal traffic disruption when service instances are added to or remove= d from a set of instances.". The First section 13 (security considerations), first bullet item: This say= s "End-systems MPLS/BGP VPNs solution". Does it mean " The end-system's MPL= S/BGP VPNs solution", or does this mean "The MPLS/BGP VPN solution used in = end systems"? The second Section 13 (IANA Considerations): Given that this is the second = section 13 in the document, there is apparently an error in the formatting.= Also, in one version both section 13's have titles that are not in bold (u= nlike other section headers), which I expect is part of the same formatting= issue (although they are both in bold in a different version of the docume= nt, argh). That is all. Thanks! Ross --_000_9a922d02a58240568793559b0e44a5e1BL2PR03MB372namprd03pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ross,

 

Thank you very much for your review a= nd detailed comments, we really appreciate!

We are going to first reissue the dra= ft as BESS working group doc 00 version as it is for book keeping purpose, = then address all your comments in the 01 version.

 

Thanks,

Luyuan

&nbs= p;

From: Ross Callon [mailto:rcallon@ju= niper.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:58 PM
To: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; mnapierala@att.com; Luyuan Fang
Cc: bess@ietf.org; Ross Callon; EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com; 'Mart= in Vigoureux' (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com)
Subject: RTG Dir QA review: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements= -00.txt

 

Hello,

 

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate QA = reviewer for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt

 

The Routing Directorate QA reviews are intended to = be a support to improve the quality of RTG Area documents as they pass thro= ugh the IETF process. This is the QA review at the time of the WG document adoption poll.

 

 

Summary

 

This document serves a useful purpose in clarifying= the requirements for extending BGP/MPLS to support virtual end systems, su= ch as might be found in a data center environment.  As such it seems a good companion to the solutions drafts and appropriate = as a WG document. I am assuming that the chairs and AD will know whether th= is should be reissued as draft-ietf-bess-end-system-requirements-00.txt or = perhaps as draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-end-system-requirements-00.txt.

 

I believe that the technical contents of this docum= ent are excellent. The document however contains a significant number of mi= nor grammatical issues, ranging from nits to minor editorial issues. Given the large number of such grammatical issues I beli= eve that the document should be updated before it will be ready for WGLC.

 

 

Comments

 

From a technical point of view I believe that the d= ocument is useful, sound and well written. The rest of these comments is a = long list of grammatical nits and suggested improvements.

 

 

Abstract, second sentence: “Virtualized end-s= ystem environment imposes additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technolog= y”. For correct English this should be either “The virtualized end-system environment imposes additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN tec= hnology” or “Virtualized end-system environments impose additio= nal requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology”. Personally I would have= a slight preference for the latter.

 

 

Introduction, first paragraph, fourth sentence: = 220;This is referred as server, storage, and network virtualization”.= I think that this should be “This is referred to as server, storage, and network virtualization”.

 

 

Introduction, first paragraph, last sentence. This = currently reads “Compute nodes running guest operating systems are of= ten executed as Virtual Machines (or VMs)”. Is it well known what is meant by a “guest operating system”? For me at l= east this could use some clarification.

 

 

Introduction, third paragraph, last sentence: ̶= 0;The solutions may referred as End-System solutions or virtual PE (vPE) so= lutions in different documents”. This should be “The solutions may be referred to in other documents as End-System solutions or= virtual PE (vPE) solutions”.

 

 

Section 1.1 (Terminology), first paragraph. This re= ads:

 

    The key words "MUST", = "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL = NOT",

    "SHOULD", "SHOULD= NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL&qu= ot; in this

    document are to be interpreted a= s described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119].

 

This paragraph is redundant with the earlier “= ;Requirements Language” section and should be removed.

 

 

Section 2, first sentence: “MPLS/BGP VPN tech= nology [RFC4364] have proven to be able to…” should be

either “MPLS/BGP VPN technology [RFC4364] has= proven to be able to…”

or “MPLS/BGP VPNs [RFC4364] have proven to be= able to…”.

 

 

Section 2, first paragraph, second sentence: “= ;In traditional WAN deployments of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge (CE) is a ph= ysical device,

residing a customer's location, connected to a Prov= ider Edge (PE), residing in a Service Provider's location.”. Do you m= ean “In traditional WAN

deployments of BGP IP VPNs a Customer Edge router (= CE) is a physical device, residing a customer's location, connected to a Pr= ovider Edge router (PE), residing in a Service Provider's location.”?

 

 

Section 2.1, first paragraph: “When end-syste= m attaches to MPLS/BGP VPN, CE corresponds to a non-routing host that can r= eside in a Virtual Machine or be an application residing on the end-system itself”. Do you mean “When an end-system att= aches to an MPLS/BGP VPN, the CE may correspond to a non-routing host that = can reside in a Virtual Machine or may be an application residing on the en= d-system itself”? In section 1.1 you listed the acronym “CE” as being short for “CE router”. I= n this case, if the CE is not a router, then isn’t the acronym wrong?= Do you want the acronym “CE” for “customer edge equipmen= t”, and “CER” for “customer edge router”? Alt= ernately, in 1.1 should “CE” be an acronym for “customer edge device (either router or end system)̶= 1;?

 

 

Section 2.1, in the second paragraph you use the te= rm “transport network infrastructure”. It seems to me that this= seems to refer to something other than what is normally meant by “transport network infrastructure”. Do you mean “core= routers in the service provider network”, or “data center rout= ers”? I see however that you are however consistent in the way that y= ou use “transport network”. Perhaps you should explain this ter= m up front. It is possible that your use of the term is common and that this us= e is okay.

 

 

Section 2.1, third paragraph, second sentence: R= 20;In such deployments PE may be…” should be “In such dep= loyments the PE may be…”.

 

 

Section 2.2, second paragraph, first sentence. This= currently reads:

 

    In end-system environment, a sin= gle end-system, effectively, corresponds to a line card in a traditional PE= router.

 

I am not sure what the word “effectively̶= 1; is doing in this sentence.

 

 

Section 3.1, first sentence: “A network virtu= alization solution should be able to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast connecti= vity between hosts in the same and different subnets without any assumptions regarding the underlying media layer”. I thi= nk that this would be a bit cleaner if written “A network virtualizat= ion solution should be able to provide IPv4 and IPv6 unicast connectivity b= etween hosts in the same subnet or in different subnets without any assumptions regarding the underlying media layer”= ;.

 

 

Section 3.2, first sentence: “Furthermore, th= e multicast transmission,…”. This should be “Furthermore = multicast transmission,…”. Also, I believe that there should be= a comma immediately after “IPv6 addresses”.

 

 

Section 3.3, fourth sentence: “End-system net= work virtualization solution should be able to provide…”. This = should be either “The end-system network virtualization solution should be able to provide…” or “End-system network virtu= alization solutions should be able to provide…”.

 

 

Section 4, bullet items: The first three of these d= o not start with a sentence, the fourth does start with a sentence. For cor= rect parallel grammar they either should all start with a sentence or none of them should. Also, the sentence which is the fo= urth bullet item again has either a word “An” missing from the = front, or “end-point” should be plural (“end-points”= ;).

 

 

Section 4, last paragraph (after the bullets): R= 20;End-system network virtualization solution should support…”.=   Again, this should be either “The end-system network virtualiz= ation solution should support…” or “End-system network virtual= ization solutions should support…”.

 

 

Section 7, third paragraph, last sentence. There is= an extra or mis-placed comma, “with both, internal…” sho= uld be “with both internal…”.

 

 

Section 7.1, first sentence. There is a word missin= g: “MPLS/VPN technology based on [RFC4364] specifies that different e= ncapsulation methods could be for connecting PE routers,…” should be “MPLS/VPN technology based on [RFC4364] specifies that dif= ferent encapsulation methods could be used for connecting PE routers,…= ;”.

 

 

Section 7.1, third paragraph: I think that “M= PLS-in-IP” and “MPLS-In-GRE” are normally hyphenated.&nbs= p; I think that “Due to route aggregation property of IP protocols= 221; should be “Due to the route aggregation property of IP protocols”.

 

 

Section 9, first paragraph, end of last sentence, a= gain a “the” is missing. “…is an effective way to s= olve IP mobility problem” should be “…is an effective way= to solve the IP mobility problem”.

 

 

Section 9, second paragraph, first sentence: “= ;IP mobility consists in a device physically moving…” should be= “IP mobility consists of a device physically moving…”.&n= bsp;  Second sentence, again a “the” is missing. Second sentence should sta= rt: “IP mobility requires preserving the device's active network conn= ections…”.

 

 

Section 9.3, second paragraph, first sentence. This= currently reads:

 

    To minimize the disruption to es= tablished communication during  workload or device mobility,

    the control plane of a network v= irtualization solution should be able to differentiate between

    the activation of a workload in = a new location from advertizing its route to the network.=

 

I can’t figure out what this sentence is supp= osed to say. Thus I can’t propose alternate wording but you should lo= ok at it carefully. The following sentence is again missing a “the”, as in “prior to the workload's migration”= .

 

 

Section 10, first paragraph, second sentence: Again= “the” is missing, as in “virtualized resources in the SP= 's data center”. The next sentence “and” is missing, as i= n “… and wireless connectivity”.

 

 

Section 10, right after the list of bullets the res= t of this section is still indented. I suspect that you need to fiddle with= XML2RFC or other source format to get this lined up correctly. First paragraph after the bullets, second sentence is again = missing “the”, as in “… the VPN's IP routing inform= ation”.

 

 

Section 11.1, again this is missing a “a̶= 1; or “the”, as in “BGP was designed to carry a very larg= e amount of …”.

 

 

Section 11.1.1, first paragraph, third sentence. Th= e beginning of this sentence is a bit off. I suggest that you change “= ;These techniques allow to forward traffic almost continuously using …” to “These techniques allow traffic to be forwar= ded almost continuously using …”.

 

 

Section 12, third paragraph is awkward. I would sug= gest changing this to “One solution that has been proposed in the IET= F is [I-D.rfernando-l3vpn-service-chaining]”.

 

 

Section 12.1, second paragraph, first sentence has = an unnecessary comma after the word “both”. This should be: = 220;Load balancing should support deployments where both virtual and physical service appliances are present.”.

 

 

Section 12.2, second paragraph, first sentence. I t= hink that you should change “It is a requirement that service chainin= g solution satisfies the requirements of symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and a minimal traffic disruption when service instances ar= e added to or removed from a set of instances.” to be “It is a = requirement that the service chaining solution satisfies the requirements o= f symmetric forward/reverse paths for flows and for a minimal traffic disruption when service instances are added to o= r removed from a set of instances.”.

 

 

The First section 13 (security considerations), fir= st bullet item: This says “End-systems MPLS/BGP VPNs solution”.= Does it mean “ The end-system’s MPLS/BGP VPNs solution”, or does this mean “The MPLS/BGP VPN solution used in end systemsR= 21;?

 

 

The second Section 13 (IANA Considerations): Given = that this is the second section 13 in the document, there is apparently an = error in the formatting. Also, in one version both section 13’s have titles that are not in bold (unlike other sec= tion headers), which I expect is part of the same formatting issue (althoug= h they are both in bold in a different version of the document, argh). = ;

 

 

That is all. Thanks!  Ross

 

--_000_9a922d02a58240568793559b0e44a5e1BL2PR03MB372namprd03pro_-- From nobody Tue Nov 11 12:26:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F52A1A1AEF; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:26:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2LSDKM06ZZaS; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7C81A1BF5; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:26:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141111202641.5523.1152.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:26:41 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/LXYmUU7lG6lkIrV9xZLYZVzMa70 Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-end-system-requirements-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:26:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for Extending BGP/MPLS VPNs to End-Systems Authors : Maria Napierala Luyuan Fang Filename : draft-ietf-bess-end-system-requirements-00.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2014-11-11 Abstract: The proven scalability and extensibility of the BGP/MPLS IP VPNs (IP VPN) technology has made it an attractive candidate for data center/cloud virtualization. Virtualized end-system environment imposes additional requirements to MPLS/BGP VPN technology. This document provides the requirements for extending IP VPN technology (in original or modified versions) into the end-systems/hosts, such as a server in a data center. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-end-system-requirements/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-end-system-requirements-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Let me know if you have any questions by reply to this email. Thanks! Dave From: David Sinicrope > Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at 9:06 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Andrew Malis >, "IETF= .PWE3" >, "bess@ietf.org" >, "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)"= > Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES Hi All, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/agenda/agenda-91-pals The agenda for PALS is above. Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon as possible= =85 only 1 hr left to the deadline. Thanks, Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "IETF.PWE3" >, "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Stewart Bryant= >, Andrew Malis >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Slot Requests - Honolulu Hi All, I=92m still waiting on the tools to catch up with the new WG to post the ag= enda on the meeting materials web pages. In the meantime, below is the draft PALS agenda for Honolulu. If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please= complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the form be= low and send it in reply to this email no later than 31 October 2014 12:00 = EDT. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the a= genda quickly and accurately. Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than M= onday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Honolulu time. If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot. Thanks! Dave ********************************************************************** IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 13:00 - 15:00 Coral 4 (45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time adjustments.) ********************************************************************** Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis Secretary: David Sinicrope (x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30, 2014 19:00 EDT) x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRY= ANT x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-pals-pw-fec-label-request Objective: First submission, asking for feedback x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static Multi-Segment Pseudowires - = Andy MALIS http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shawam-pwe3-ms-pw-protection-02 Objective: Update showing new solution based on received comments from the = previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption request. x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseudowires - Stewart BRYANT http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal Objective: Discuss comments and get some working group feedback on how they= were addressed or will be addressed. ********************************************************************** Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.) ********************************************************************** xx. - None currently ********************************************************************** REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S) ********************************************************************** Remote Participation Info: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/91/remote-participation.html - No WebEx - Audio and Jabber are TBD On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope > wrote: Hi All, Time to request presentation slots for IETF 91. If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please reply = to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. If L2VPNers are= n't sure if their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send i= n a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be forwarded with a= copy to the requester. (See Andy=92s email below.) Please use this form and please reply to this email. - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth= -oam-iwk/): - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re= solved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address secu= rity issues and get direction from the WG): - requested duration (norm is 10 min): - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): Thanks! Dave From: Andrew Malis > Date: Friday, October 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "IETF.PWE3" >, "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Stewart Bryant= >, David A Sinicrope > Subject: PALS WG on its way .... If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the expectation is th= at PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks, and will meet i= n Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN, Wednesday at 13= :00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda i= tems. For those of you that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be pre= senting at PALS instead. For those of you that were planning to present at = L2VPN, you may be presenting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily for E= VPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any questions. We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward. My = understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-subscr= ibed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PWE3 li= st, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant informa= tion for the list is: List address: pals@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals Thanks, Andy _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --_000_D0879B7915B5F5davidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All, 
The updated agenda is here: Agenda

The latest slides are here:  Proceedings

I believe I=92ve reflected all comments and requests received.
Let me know if you have any questions by reply to this email.
Thanks!
Dave

From: David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&g= t;
Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at = 9:06 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@i= etf.org>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2v= pn@ietf.org>, Andrew Malis <= agmalis@gmail.com>, "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, "Stewart Bryant (stbr= yant)" <stbryant@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 91 Sl= ot Requests - Honolulu - SLIDES

Hi All,
The agenda for PALS is above.

Speakers, please reply to this email with your slides as soon a= s possible=85 only 1 hr left to the deadline.

Thanks,
Dave


From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&g= t;
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 at= 1:17 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@i= etf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>, "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2vpn@ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <<= a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] PALS IETF 91 Sl= ot Requests - Honolulu


Hi All,
I=92m still waiting on the t= ools to catch up with the new WG to post the agenda on the meeting material= s web pages. 

In the meantime, below is th= e draft PALS agenda for Honolulu.
If you requested a slot and = I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please complete the form below and= send it in reply to this email.
If you haven=92t requested a= slot and need one, please complete the form below and send it in reply to = this email no later than 31 October 2014 12:00 EDT.
*** Taking a couple of minut= es to complete the form helps me complete the agenda quickly and accurately= .  

Those that have slots alloca= ted, please send me your slides no later than Monday 10 Nov 2014 17:00 Hono= lulu time.
If I don=92t have your slide= s by that time, you risk losing your slot.
Thanks!
Dave


***********************************************= ***********************
IETF 91 PALS - Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 1= 3:00 - 15:00 Coral 4
(45/120 min allocated; ** Please note the time = adjustments.)
***********************************************= ***********************
Chairs: Stewart Bryant and Andy Malis
Secretary: David Sinicrope
(x =3D slide sets NOT received as of October 30= , 2014 19:00 EDT)

x1. 15 min - Agenda bash, WG Agenda and Status = - Andy MALIS and Stewart BRYANT


x2. 10 min - MPLS LDP - Patrice BRISSETTE
Objective:  First submission, asking for f= eedback


x3. 10 min - S-PE Outage Protection for Static = Multi-Segment Pseudowires - Andy MALIS
Objective: Update showing new solution based on= received comments from the previous revision, to prepare for WG adoption r= equest.


x4. 10 min - A Unified Control Channel for Pseu= dowires - Stewart BRYANT
Objective: Discuss comments and get some workin= g group feedback on how they were addressed or will be addressed.

***********************************************= ***********************
Overflow (Will be presented if time permits.)
***********************************************= ***********************

xx. - None currently

***********************************************= ***********************
REMOTE INFORMATION FOR THE PALS SESSION(S)
***********************************************= ***********************
Remote Participation Info: 

- No WebEx
- Audio and Jabber are TBD


On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:06 PM, David Sinicrope= <david= .sinicrope@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi All,<= /span>

Time to = request presentation slots for IETF 91.  


If yo= u need a presentation slot for the IETF 91 PALS session, please reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. &nbs= p; If L2VPNers aren't sure if= their drafts will be addressed in PALS or BESS, they can send in a request, and slot requests that belong to BESS will be = forwarded with a copy to the requester.  (See Andy=92s email below.)


Please use this form and= please reply to this email.

 

- topic = (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):=

<= u>

- brief = statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and resolved v= ia the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need to address securit= y issues and get direction from the WG):  

- reques= ted duration (norm is 10 min):  

- speake= r Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE):  

 

Thanks!<= u>

Dave



From: Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> Date: Friday, October 17, 2014= at 3:25 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "IETF.PWE3" <= pwe3@ietf.org>, &= quot;l2vpn@ietf.org= " <l2vpn@ietf.o= rg>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&= gt;
Subject: PALS WG on its way ..= ..

If you haven't been following Adrian's recent emails, the = expectation is that PALS will be officially formed as a new WG in two weeks= , and will meet in Honolulu in the agenda spot currently reserved for L2VPN= , Wednesday at 13:00. Our WG Secretary, David Sinicrope, will be issuing a call for agenda items. For those of you= that were planning to present at PWE3, you'll be presenting at PALS instea= d. For those of you that were planning to present at L2VPN, you may be pres= enting at PALS or at BESS, the latter primarily for EVPN-related drafts. Let Stewart or me know if you have any = questions.

We would also like to start using the PALS WG email list going forward= . My understanding is that if you were on the PWE3 list, you've been auto-s= ubscribed to the PALS list. If you were on the L2VPN list but not on the PW= E3 list, you have to sign up for the PALS list on your own. The relevant information for the list is:



_______________________________________________
BESS mailing list
BESS@ietf.org
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 --_000_D0879B7915B5F5davidsinicropeericssoncom_-- From nobody Tue Nov 11 13:05:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5791A1A80; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:05:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EX8CvKIHBZHd; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from omzsmtpe02.verizonbusiness.com (omzsmtpe02.verizonbusiness.com [199.249.25.209]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3E311ACCE1; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:05:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=verizon.com; i=nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com; q=dns/txt; s=corp; t=1415739934; x=1447275934; h=from:to:cc:date:subject:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Wxz1/UR7iM8lcNZoItLSajbfnoUcB1LvLB2PvMQptCU=; b=p6RLmhHnpgqOoJhDHUmnEuxPy8LSO1X1rQ1pDCBASDiNp39LNPcCs57y H0Z3J3t+ckphJ4boQerkq2LQvfCiQbrubfVHBRlA/zDv6aEcgapE5fwJv WdsB32SgUUNwKf65QZcI7gsl88/5MbqLQ9bMhhkuzSSZQm7PU9bofpMnH c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: false Received: from unknown (HELO fldsmtpi03.verizon.com) ([166.68.71.145]) by omzsmtpe02.verizonbusiness.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2014 21:05:32 +0000 From: "Bitar, Nabil N" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,362,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="868127612" Received: from fldp1lumxc7hb02.verizon.com (HELO FLDP1LUMXC7HB02.us.one.verizon.com) ([166.68.75.85]) by fldsmtpi03.verizon.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2014 21:05:31 +0000 Received: from fldp1lumxc7v63.us.one.verizon.com ([169.254.3.190]) by FLDP1LUMXC7HB02.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.75.85]) with mapi; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:05:31 -0500 To: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:05:31 -0500 Thread-Topic: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft "Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN", draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02 Thread-Index: AQHP4WiX83RQ5agjbEmXtubbNpwJQJxcIgQa Message-ID: References: , , , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/eAqmCRNrUb4JVW7HMXLVPEnJLhc Cc: "l2vpn-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft "Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN", draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 21:05:37 -0000 Hi, For the record, this call had closed on October 20. The draft has good supp= ort, has no objections, and it came about in the l2vpn working group to pro= vide a guide on using the different evpn capabilities. Based on this, this = draft is adopted as a WG group draft and will progress in BESS. The authors= are to issue this draft as BESS working group draft, and will coordinate t= hat with the BESS chairs. Apologies for the delay in the announcement as we are waiting the forming o= f the new groups. Thanks, Nabil ________________________________________ From: L2vpn [l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bitar, Nabil N [nabil.n.b= itar@verizon.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:20 AM To: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft "Usage and applicability of= BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN", draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02 L2VPN WG, This is the start of a 2-week call for adopting the draft =93Usage and appl= icability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN=94, draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02, = as an L2VPN WG document. The draft can be found at: http://tools.ietf.org/= id/draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02.txt. This draft was well supported in the WG meeting in Toronto, but as always w= e are taking it to the list to decide on WG adoption. Please, reply to this= email indicating your support or objection to adopting this draft as a WG = document. Substantive comments in addition to indicating your support or ob= jection are appreciated. This call will close on Monday, October 20, 2014. Thanks, Nabil & Giles From nobody Tue Nov 11 18:53:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D251A88C7 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:53:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XAcDFhcN5PTE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C3481A884C for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.122]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 064BD2728081B for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 02:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id sAC2rV6a022630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 03:53:31 +0100 Received: from FR712WXCHMBA09.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.5.168]) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.112]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 03:53:31 +0100 From: "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" To: BESS Thread-Topic: Looking for minute takers Thread-Index: Ac/+I9d2ajQUim5FSSSPdV+3U0TqHA== Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 02:53:31 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F2261FFR712WXCHMBA09z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/JxM72ZZyxO31SSZ3keAl-gzFsxY Subject: [bess] Looking for minute takers X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 02:53:34 -0000 --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F2261FFR712WXCHMBA09z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We need two minute takers for BESS sessions. We would thus really welcome v= olunteers. Please let us know if you would be ready to take minutes tomorro= w (and maybe also on Friday). -m --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F2261FFR712WXCHMBA09z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <63AD293460F36A43A45942C2201BA72E@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

We need two minute takers for BESS sessions. We would thus really welcome v= olunteers. Please let us know if you would be ready to take minutes tomorro= w (and maybe also on Friday).

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--_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC7325F2261FFR712WXCHMBA09z_-- From nobody Wed Nov 12 00:40:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7C71A873B for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 00:40:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z-YS0KP9bD1I for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 00:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.serv.os3.nl (mail.serv.os3.nl [IPv6:2001:610:158:960::25]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FDED1A1BA5 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 00:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.os3.nl (smtp.os3.nl [IPv6:2001:610:158:960::119]) by mail.serv.os3.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A51017B683 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:40:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2a00:1328:e001:4:8006:637d:5607:c67d] (unknown [IPv6:2a00:1328:e001:4:8006:637d:5607:c67d]) by smtp.os3.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39BDA17B664 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:40:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54631D09.2050303@os3.nl> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:40:41 +0100 From: splug User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bess@ietf.org References: , , , In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/HLz50aXBOpxR3RLjAX9ZSnybr_M Subject: Re: [bess] [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft "Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN", draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:40:47 -0000 Shouldn't this be draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-03? Am 11.11.2014 um 22:05 schrieb Bitar, Nabil N: > Hi, > For the record, this call had closed on October 20. The draft has good support, has no objections, and it came about in the l2vpn working group to provide a guide on using the different evpn capabilities. Based on this, this draft is adopted as a WG group draft and will progress in BESS. The authors are to issue this draft as BESS working group draft, and will coordinate that with the BESS chairs. > > Apologies for the delay in the announcement as we are waiting the forming of the new groups. > > Thanks, > Nabil > ________________________________________ > From: L2vpn [l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bitar, Nabil N [nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:20 AM > To: l2vpn@ietf.org > Subject: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft "Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN", draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02 > > L2VPN WG, > > This is the start of a 2-week call for adopting the draft “Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN”, draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02, as an L2VPN WG document. The draft can be found at: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02.txt. > > This draft was well supported in the WG meeting in Toronto, but as always we are taking it to the list to decide on WG adoption. Please, reply to this email indicating your support or objection to adopting this draft as a WG document. Substantive comments in addition to indicating your support or objection are appreciated. > > This call will close on Monday, October 20, 2014. > > Thanks, > Nabil & Giles > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Wed Nov 12 08:08:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5181A1AE4 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:08:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5zyhISH96wNg for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E891E1A6FD4 for ; 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Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:26:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t8EpSRpFzSll; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1B91A882B; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:26:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141112162619.19218.59617.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:26:19 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/ZbuV-wCjxI-fHUX1O9M33hakesI Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-virtual-pe-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:26:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP/MPLS VPN Virtual PE Authors : Luyuan Fang Rex Fernando Maria Napierala Nabil Bitar Bruno Rijsman Filename : draft-ietf-bess-virtual-pe-00.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2014-11-12 Abstract: This document describes the architecture solutions for BGP/MPLS L3 and L2 Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) with virtual Provider Edge (vPE) routers. It provides a functional description of the vPE control, forwarding, and management. The proposed vPE solutions support both the Software Defined Networks (SDN) approach which allows physical decoupling of the control and the forwarding, and the traditional distributed routing approach. A vPE can reside in any network or compute devices, such as a server as co-resident with the application virtual machines (VMs), or a Top-of-Rack (ToR) switch in a Data Center (DC) network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-virtual-pe/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-virtual-pe-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Nov 12 11:26:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968A81A1A04 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:26:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.295 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.295 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H69uzTyR-yDA for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from fldsmtpe02.verizon.com (fldsmtpe02.verizon.com [140.108.26.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 563641ACF72 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:26:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=verizon.com; i=nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com; q=dns/txt; s=corp; t=1415820368; x=1447356368; h=from:to:cc:date:subject:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=3fYAvyazeOI/jWi9MEmcvdseFnbk22i9ggHxTWsAjj8=; b=mRAPZSxwBzr32K21HOT+ozFi6F30A8OemczBLCHna/MkFAJW6jYitQUE JT0pBfTGbwDIsQZHF5IJT7ggYPItgwhzy6L2hV7LfjMZdX1jvmaKl2XNj prohWAzOqBRZSc+6HzTQAMMbjW0oDBKHGgqHbaY3H2ComcVvy8ZZ4UB4Y k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: false Received: from unknown (HELO fldsmtpi03.verizon.com) ([166.68.71.145]) by fldsmtpe02.verizon.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2014 19:26:07 +0000 From: "Bitar, Nabil N" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,370,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="868939939" Received: from fldp1lumxc7hb05.verizon.com (HELO FLDP1LUMXC7HB05.us.one.verizon.com) ([166.68.75.87]) by fldsmtpi03.verizon.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2014 19:26:07 +0000 Received: from fldp1lumxc7v63.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.45.45]) by FLDP1LUMXC7HB05.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.75.87]) with mapi; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:26:06 -0500 To: "bess@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:24:06 -0500 Thread-Topic: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft Integrated Routing and Bridging in EVPN, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 Thread-Index: AQHP4WXwjS6QSXZDCUOTnJPs4fsLzJxcJLdGgAF08bE= Message-ID: References: , , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/UwP_k1EMp5AQwqshF9peNIsgcjc Cc: "l2vpn-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [bess] FW: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft Integrated Routing and Bridging in EVPN, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 19:26:27 -0000 FYI. Thanks, Nabil ________________________________________ From: Bitar, Nabil N Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:09 PM To: Bitar, Nabil N; l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: RE: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft Integrated Routing and = Bridging in EVPN, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 Hi, For the record, this call had closed on October 20. The draft has good supp= ort. There are some comments received on the mailing list that need to be a= ddressed as part of the evolution of this draft. Based on this, this draft = is adopted as a WG group draft and will progress in BESS. The authors are t= o issue this draft as BESS working group draft, and will coordinate that wi= th the BESS chairs. Apologies for the delay in the announcement as we are waiting the forming o= f the new groups. Thanks, Nabil ________________________________________ From: L2vpn [l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bitar, Nabil N [nabil.n.b= itar@verizon.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:15 AM To: l2vpn@ietf.org Subject: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft Integrated Routing and Brid= ging in EVPN, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 L2VPN WG, This is the start of a 2-week call for adopting the draft =93Integrated Rou= ting and Bridging in EVPN=94, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forward= ing-05, as an L2VPN WG document. The draft can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/id/= draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05.txt This draft was well supported in the WG meeting in Toronto, but as always w= e are taking it to the list to decide on WG adoption. Please reply to this = email indicating your support or objection to adopting this draft as a WG d= ocument. Substantive comments in addition to indicating your support or obj= ection are appreciated. This call will close on Monday, October 20, 2014. 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[2001:67c:370:136:a11:96ff:fe33:430]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fi9sm23885268wib.6.2014.11.12.18.59.06 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:08 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54641E78.3040600@orange.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:59:04 -1000 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bitar, Nabil N" , "bess@ietf.org" References: , , In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/WxMFn4KR3tgqaWV6tALEyMjwDsI Cc: "l2vpn-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] FW: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft Integrated Routing and Bridging in EVPN, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:59:14 -0000 Hi, Can authors please repost as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding ? Thanks, -Thomas 2014-11-12, Bitar, Nabil N: > FYI. > > Thanks, > Nabil > ________________________________________ > From: Bitar, Nabil N > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:09 PM > To: Bitar, Nabil N; l2vpn@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft Integrated Routing and Bridging in EVPN, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 > > Hi, > For the record, this call had closed on October 20. The draft has good support. There are some comments received on the mailing list that need to be addressed as part of the evolution of this draft. Based on this, this draft is adopted as a WG group draft and will progress in BESS. The authors are to issue this draft as BESS working group draft, and will coordinate that with the BESS chairs. > > Apologies for the delay in the announcement as we are waiting the forming of the new groups. > > Thanks, > Nabil > > ________________________________________ > From: L2vpn [l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bitar, Nabil N [nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:15 AM > To: l2vpn@ietf.org > Subject: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft Integrated Routing and Bridging in EVPN, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 > > L2VPN WG, > > This is the start of a 2-week call for adopting the draft “Integrated Routing and Bridging in EVPNâ€, draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05, > as an L2VPN WG document. The draft can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05.txt > > This draft was well supported in the WG meeting in Toronto, but as always we are taking it to the list to decide on WG adoption. Please reply to this email indicating your support or objection to adopting this draft as a WG document. Substantive comments in addition to indicating your support or objection are appreciated. > > This call will close on Monday, October 20, 2014. > > Thanks, > Nabil & Giles > From nobody Wed Nov 12 18:59:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824F11A1B2C for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2U4kseWSAyA1 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FE951A1AFF for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id r20so6876366wiv.10 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q3oJ+GtfWv8TjeekqZ6tMUzuyfJ31HncDYSpkSOncig=; b=tS/cGmfYghuDyaXmOyKdLrgKYVxvt8/Vm1sdY810ff+5d3r23bax8ya49oEK8/keTp dBfLUVj7dW/Z6Y1h7hIb4DB0rNozC4mOK0Kn2NNHZFgZaf6V2WLB1lGmt4WhlxSOHsad mpAwJinzyPf3fhUp4gUctzHGIyYfn0Oq5iEGSRaAPur30+dmDvcMiyFig3O2oB6bhfiw Ahi1TXnJJ2UQkPMRTFJ5CNluuXvTqEs2oK/qGOOYNsZakg1CfdnMVZHgnIaoDu+CtRVW /LTs5qFBwo7G3HmTwkhu4FXEVKN7310C94tueOIA/O2zQCnU6NCoHl7QBWppHVvMbfIs itJg== X-Received: by 10.180.76.41 with SMTP id h9mr55751483wiw.40.1415847555072; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (s2001067c037001360a1196fffe330430.hotel-wireless.v6.meeting.ietf.org. [2001:67c:370:136:a11:96ff:fe33:430]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gc7sm33690600wjb.16.2014.11.12.18.59.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54641E80.3010407@orange.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:59:12 -1000 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BESS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/4IsNa41W34oV8IT6KXK8UQRCKcw Subject: [bess] BESS meeting for a second meeting on Friday! X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:59:20 -0000 Hi everyone, Some seems to have missed the information, which does not appear in the printed agendas... We want to remind you that BESS is having two sessions this week. The second session is on Friday, at 11:50 in Kahili. Agenda at: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bess/agenda?item=agenda-91-bess.html Best, -Thomas From nobody Wed Nov 12 19:00:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646221A1B43 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxeXmQ_wYYG9 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC0161A1B46 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r20so549615wiv.1 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G6VZUhEC/oX80OuQo/qWWyHfKTKTXOBxw9vgm9W6cDg=; b=sxZEcOSP+0agr6sali4dKAbwo/AuNThlH0IsxQVKxUp1wdrNHSIDMpcniqoq7+H3Nq nqth7U2Vu50DsOt51Es6KLJC1GAVd1V7xDm2d8JzflUDzShDfKIhM7hio4aU8bNLI2GX 4+pHINvT14GV2sCskUXQozurxE/DyjZx1V5XcaFCit79vGkOHyB2nKbmLceZH6Grohzk 6rTWuWuzUG8Q3R9Hsw4H+WWUSayGWd2fVnATN1qbwkJur6mHJw60Y8hPLLCyWRrBYkcP 2BUCC1r0kE6BHOjJ3i6yRnEG4WAHd5fncj/R9ST+AGgSJiRQ4Rrq9vZyEIJ2UTQ4baw4 1ysA== X-Received: by 10.180.20.8 with SMTP id j8mr55656581wie.60.1415847570039; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (s2001067c037001360a1196fffe330430.hotel-wireless.v6.meeting.ietf.org. 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Thanks, -Thomas 2014-11-12, Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge): > Yes, we published rev 03 to address the only objection shared on the list > during the adoption call. > Thank you. > Jorge > > -----Original Message----- > From: splug > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 12:40 AM > To: "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bess] [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft "Usage and > applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN", draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02 > >> Shouldn't this be draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-03? >> >> Am 11.11.2014 um 22:05 schrieb Bitar, Nabil N: >>> Hi, >>> For the record, this call had closed on October 20. The draft has good >>> support, has no objections, and it came about in the l2vpn working group >>> to provide a guide on using the different evpn capabilities. Based on >>> this, this draft is adopted as a WG group draft and will progress in >>> BESS. The authors are to issue this draft as BESS working group draft, >>> and will coordinate that with the BESS chairs. >>> >>> Apologies for the delay in the announcement as we are waiting the >>> forming of the new groups. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nabil >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: L2vpn [l2vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bitar, Nabil N >>> [nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:20 AM >>> To: l2vpn@ietf.org >>> Subject: [l2vpn] WG adoption call for the draft "Usage and >>> applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN", >>> draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02 >>> >>> L2VPN WG, >>> >>> This is the start of a 2-week call for adopting the draft “Usage and >>> applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPNâ€, >>> draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02, as an L2VPN WG document. The draft can be >>> found at: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-rp-l2vpn-evpn-usage-02.txt. >>> >>> This draft was well supported in the WG meeting in Toronto, but as >>> always we are taking it to the list to decide on WG adoption. Please, >>> reply to this email indicating your support or objection to adopting >>> this draft as a WG document. Substantive comments in addition to >>> indicating your support or objection are appreciated. >>> >>> This call will close on Monday, October 20, 2014. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nabil & Giles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BESS mailing list >>> BESS@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > From nobody Wed Nov 12 23:09:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7C01A1BE0 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:09:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.794 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.794 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kkIVokbha5-8 for ; 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Hi Co-authors,

In today's BESS meeting, i have some c= omments, pls allow me to reiterate here.

1. EVPN supports mass MAC withdraw whe= n local PE link failure occurs. If EVPN is used for NVO3 network interconne= cting, if a local NVE occurs node failure, local DCI PE how to notify remot= e PEs to flush MAC table in mass mode, because in this case, there maybe many TS's MAC attached to the local NVE,= mass MAC withdraw should be supported to provide MAC withdraw efficiecy.

2. For EVPN multi-homing, DF is electe= d per I-ESI, can you ensure BUM traffic load balancing among multiple PEs?<= /font>

3. If DC GW and WAN PE are separa= ted device, Option-B solution should be supprted to ensure scalability, Opt= ion-A (In your draft, it is called vlan hand-off)has two much scalability l= imitations.

For unicast traffic, the DC GW should = support VN ID and MPLS VPN Label switching. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label at WAN= PE assign machanism also should be specified. For BUM traffic, the DC= GW should stitch the multicast tree within data center and the multicast tree in WAN network.

The description is too simple in your = draft, in our previous drafts, the option-B solution is described in detail= ,  your reading are welcomed.

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf= t-hao-l2vpn-inter-nvo3-evpn/

http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-hao-l3vpn-inter-nvo3-vpn/

 

 

In my today's Option-C presentation, transport layer stitching mechanism= is described. Option-B solution should support service layer stitching, th= e mechansim also should be fully described.

 

Thanks

weiguo

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Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:05:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senad Palislamovic Wim Henderickx Florin Balus Keyur Patel Ali Sajassi Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-00.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2014-11-13 Abstract: This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN (EVPN) in a simple and fairly common deployment scenario. The different EVPN procedures will be explained on the example scenario, analyzing the benefits and trade-offs of each option. Along with [EVPN], this document is intended to provide a simplified guide for the deployment of EVPN in Service Provider networks. 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[2.11.56.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rx8sm36548946wjb.30.2014.11.13.10.42.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <5464FB88.7080703@orange.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:42:16 -1000 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/Ap7Dwa9mBSNWXnhGnZRwCxNyonA Cc: Adrian Farrel , draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community@tools.ietf.org, Martin Vigoureux , bess@ietf.org, L3VPN Subject: [bess] Request for publication of draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:42:35 -0000 IESG, The L3VPN WG requests that draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community-08 be published as an RFC on the Standard track. The shepherd write-up is in the datatacker [1]. Thank you, -Thomas for the BESS WG [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community/shepherdwriteup/ From nobody Thu Nov 13 13:53:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5649A1ADDD3; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:53:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yt4odQ3wCAyw; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65701ADBCC; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:53:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141113215331.4059.86236.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:53:31 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/wmYiyt2IjW_FWI2kptCzVObkqi8 Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:53:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi John Drake Nabil Bitar Aldrin Isaac James Uttaro Wim Henderickx Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-00.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2014-11-13 Abstract: This document describes how EVPN can be used as an NVO solution and explores the various tunnel encapsulation options over IP and their impact on the EVPN control-plane and procedures. In particular, the following encapsulation options are analyzed: MPLS over GRE, VXLAN, and NVGRE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 13 13:54:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568D11ADEB5; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:54:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hvVaKX3eqen; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E921ADE8B; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:54:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141113215407.11098.95050.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:54:07 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/31YBVOCKwOR98eLHKKfNZAWJngY Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:54:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Integrated Routing and Bridging in EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi Samer Salam Samir Thoria Yakov Rekhter John E. Drake Lucy Yong Linda Dunbar Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2014-11-13 Abstract: EVPN provides an extensible and flexible multi-homing VPN solution for intra-subnet connectivity among hosts/VMs over an MPLS/IP network. However, there are scenarios in which inter-subnet forwarding among hosts/VMs across different IP subnets is required, while maintaining the multi-homing capabilities of EVPN. This document describes an Integrated Routing and Bridging (IRB) solution based on EVPN to address such requirements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 13 14:34:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6EA1AE0BA for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:34:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.283 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.283 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3nCEnisq6eb for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0121.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B731D1AE05D for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from BN1PR05MB438.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.12) by BN1PR05MB439.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:33:34 +0000 Received: from BN1PR05MB343.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.62.20) by BN1PR05MB438.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.16.15; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:33:32 +0000 Received: from BN1PR05MB343.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.5.253]) by BN1PR05MB343.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.5.253]) with mapi id 15.01.0016.006; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:33:32 +0000 From: Stuart Mackie To: "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: SFC using virtual netoworking draft Thread-Index: AQHP/5HaKRO+v01XMk+J6cJF84WBvQ== Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:33:31 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 x-originating-ip: [10.255.100.4] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR05MB438;UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR05MB438; x-forefront-prvs: 0394259C80 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(979002)(164054003)(189002)(199003)(101416001)(77096003)(62966003)(77156002)(2351001)(95666004)(99286002)(17760045003)(16236675004)(106356001)(105586002)(40100003)(180100001)(2656002)(18206015028)(106116001)(36756003)(46102003)(50986999)(122556002)(99936001)(19617315012)(19627595001)(83506001)(120916001)(2501002)(99396003)(15202345003)(4396001)(92726001)(19580395003)(15975445006)(92566001)(31966008)(86362001)(87936001)(229853001)(20776003)(54356999)(107046002)(110136001)(21056001)(97736003)(64706001)(7059030)(969003)(989001)(999001)(1009001)(1019001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR05MB438; H:BN1PR05MB343.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:ovrnspm; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=wsmackie@juniper.net; Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_D08A9BE781214wsmackiejunipernet_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR05MB439; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/MHqGqUsIohBSnmgMjj5zf181gGQ Cc: DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA , Ronald Bonica , "NAPIERALA, MARIA H" , "Haeffner, Walter, Vodafone DE" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , Bruno Rijsman , "EXT - daniel.bernier@bell.ca" Subject: [bess] SFC using virtual netoworking draft X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:34:18 -0000 --_004_D08A9BE781214wsmackiejunipernet_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D08A9BE781214wsmackiejunipernet_" --_000_D08A9BE781214wsmackiejunipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Glad to see BESS formed to hold all of the BGP-enabled services work. We have a draft that possibly falls in scope of this working group. In summ= ary it describes how to use BGP-enabled virtual networking to achieve servi= ce function chaining without changing existing device functionality or prot= ocols. Obviously this work should receive review in the SFC working group, = but it also is very relevant to BESS. You can find the draft at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mackie-sfc-= using-virtual-networking Thanks, Stuart =85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85.. Stuart Mackie SDN/NFV Architect +1 914 886 2534 [cid:70EF7949-8F60-4BA3-B5D8-C21D88FEDB77] --_000_D08A9BE781214wsmackiejunipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Glad to see BESS formed to hold all of the BGP-en= abled services work.

We have a draft that possibly falls in scope of t= his working group. In summary it describes how to use BGP-enabled virtual n= etworking to achieve service function chaining without changing existing de= vice functionality or protocols. Obviously this work should receive review in the SFC working group, but it also is v= ery relevant to BESS.


Thanks,

Stuart
Stuart Mackie
SDN/NFV Architect

+1 914 886 2534

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[31.133.187.205]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d14sm37415018wjz.26.2014.11.13.15.44.20 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54654253.4020808@orange.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:44:19 -1000 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BESS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/-1vXYGs-XZZ7ulHKXLiINAYbksc Cc: IDR Chairs Subject: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:44:25 -0000 Hi WG, A heads up... These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn (on idr agenda, being presented right now) - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn Best, -Thomas From nobody Thu Nov 13 15:55:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBB71AE34F for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id USUxa4pJ4cFe for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BD411AE34A for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a13so580755igq.17 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Sp9PxBKzcFh/3aHWmaTV9MBddnvb4R5BRfnHHPPfVVA=; b=gTdfaxl9ebGAJVa7qlyJDYV+UJpRVFcy6++pEuAO/91DVR/eQMGNYxDRRFdP9/Mqv0 1rPXyF/JwBh4xJ8uHX2AASKhzRxaYOxXYa149KILPxexrN3oSF4GYxKyzTyWQMDCl3yu g6Z5vDzEUH3ZlcaujCCw2D5dayEsPAxulr8awEtUjrYuHdDebKI/QFgTts3k6MGmg9kh dfUfDVNQyWdk5fJThR0DXf6Qko6W3B7tNiO24p11ATTvvEt4hRK5UIbf3CTYSboy4hoI LMaERTUz4EzuEHEHOHqk8PA7AvOmXYhZQYdeBHTMRVq8ildNW2Ufo/9kL7njP/3qaHea hCFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.128.135 with SMTP id k7mr5999546ioi.69.1415922928684; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: rraszuk@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.171.149 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54654253.4020808@orange.com> References: <54654253.4020808@orange.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:55:28 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: byVuMTcr4L2F1W5E5w7i3VOsZLg Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: Thomas Morin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fb1f431983f0507c63f83 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/a7NfVss3UDmx8tRxJoYjf9qEIK8 Cc: IDR Chairs , BESS Subject: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:55:31 -0000 --001a113fb1f431983f0507c63f83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Thomas, Are those really two separate documents ? I can't find the former while the slides @ IDR really talk about the content of the latter :) Cheers, R. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Thomas Morin wrote: > Hi WG, > > A heads up... > > These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: > - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn draft=draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-01> (on idr agenda, being presented > right now) > - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00> > > Best, > > -Thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --001a113fb1f431983f0507c63f83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thomas,

Are those really two separate documents ? I can't find the fo= rmer while the slides @ IDR really talk about the content of the latter :)= =C2=A0

Cheers,
R.


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Thomas Morin <= ;thomas.morin@= orange.com> wrote:
Hi WG,
A heads up...

These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us:
- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn <http://tools.ietf.= org/html?draft=3Ddraft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-01> (on = idr agenda, being presented right now)
- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn <https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00>

Best,

-Thomas


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--001a113fb1f431983f0507c63f83-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 15:56:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168CC1A1B28 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:56:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IeLMQkpMPGyy for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 393131AE35C for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.122]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id BB9C67D43913F; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:55:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id sADNtrmb012027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:55:53 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.219]) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:55:53 +0100 From: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" To: Thomas Morin , BESS Thread-Topic: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN Thread-Index: AQHP/5vKvOlQ81YkpEWgyXRtZgmBGZxegwWA Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:55:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <54654253.4020808@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <54654253.4020808@orange.com> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.38] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <5D4E42B69005754A843F6FA7C3799F9B@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/aqnvNETnTmJSrvz5QGEPnSmW1_Q Cc: IDR Chairs Subject: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:56:03 -0000 As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we require to many AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general is providing match criteria=B9s with related actions. Given the proposal on Flowspec for L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture. In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec match criteria=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/L3-IPv4/IPv6. On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" wrote: >Hi WG, > >A heads up... > >These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: >- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn > (on >idr agenda, being presented right now) >- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > > >Best, > >-Thomas > > >_______________________________________________ >BESS mailing list >BESS@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Nov 13 15:59:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62811A1B28 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkOOcNCPKnmo for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8BD61AE37E for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id y10so18291177wgg.2 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:58:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ae0FhNcjTp7F6SWqsZIsTys70GR6/aQOK7CSq1dW6Kk=; b=UkYfJCduHDPaESO6xE200VjnvYHjPbmFwi8ZTsMTPgnNGZTi+nlhFWLQtucpCiRLex DIWJnLQAZhQKgvHJj7Goq3rY8SDXjiV7fBPmdADQzZ6My1VphCPcm1OEeUlfrAJkNnfQ PEocKapMVLSoDx5b4ctKqhiIRU3lEAmkm6uss4hGWHf/EuUJHjh7erYpbbOmIEU21CWo HRmXU66ZVbvsSGMhFYKVIDGqyG3f2rgc466x2jodQVvErf4hNtXHNHFE+5oeKuScFSNi kJwcHEcdOEgSku4CISFjwS1rzKAR04aynz30JThSqDvYseScLXAv2hVk5Oi+5Jf7VSxh 8rZA== X-Received: by 10.180.90.65 with SMTP id bu1mr2401778wib.71.1415923094639; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-bbcd.meeting.ietf.org. [31.133.187.205]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dc8sm1260321wib.7.2014.11.13.15.58.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:58:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: Thomas Morin Message-ID: <54654593.4000406@orange.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:58:11 -1000 From: Thomas Morin Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BESS , draft-mackie-sfc-using-virtual-networking@tools.ietf.org, draft-rfernando-l3vpn-service-chaining@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/ntbC0GfQDsGuZbRXUrOTap7suk8 Subject: [bess] Last minute / agenda update for our session on Friday (service chaining) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:59:06 -0000 Hi everyone, We've updated our agenda for tomorrow's session to accommodate for a discussion on service-chaining: Friday, 1150-1320 - Kahili * draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment, Ali, 10' including questions * draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-etree, Ali, 10' including questions * draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ, Ali, 10' including questions * draft-boutros-l2vpn-evpn-vpws, Sami, 10' including questions * draft-boutros-l2vpn-evpn-vxlan, Sami, 10' including questions + * draft-mackie-sfc-using-virtual-networking, Ron/Kireeti, 10' including questions + * draft-rfernando-l3vpn-service-chaining, **TBC**, 10' including questions + * / open discussion on service chaining, 20' including questions Best, Thomas & Martin BESS chairs From nobody Thu Nov 13 16:01:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E181AE376 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:01:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YiIk-olDeObb for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D2BA1AE33C for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BLP54330; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:01:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML704-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.141) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:01:01 +0000 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml704-chm ([10.193.5.141]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:00:52 -0800 From: Lucy yong To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" , Thomas Morin , BESS Thread-Topic: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN Thread-Index: AQHP/5vK/VrJjpwcFkaCSxD4/gu2KZxfwZoA//97BhA= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:00:51 +0000 Message-ID: <2691CE0099834E4A9C5044EEC662BB9D4540B187@dfweml701-chm> References: <54654253.4020808@orange.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.147.97] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/1mMRnOJIbF_8VjDQI-3ykGrBtII Cc: IDR Chairs Subject: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:01:10 -0000 We should have flow-spec per VNI that may carry L2 and/or L3 traffic. Lucy -----Original Message----- From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Wim= ) Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:56 PM To: Thomas Morin; BESS Cc: IDR Chairs Subject: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we require to many AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general is providing = match criteria=B9s with related actions. Given the proposal on Flowspec for L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture. In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec match criteria= =B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/L3-IPv4/IPv6. On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" wrote: >Hi WG, > >A heads up... > >These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: >- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn > (on=20 >idr agenda, being presented right now) >- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > > >Best, > >-Thomas > > >_______________________________________________ >BESS mailing list >BESS@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Nov 13 16:02:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4D41A0009 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.156 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L4QkLI2GmwAD for ; 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Hi Robert and Thomas,

Yes, these two drafts are same topic. The former is a new version on BGP= layer 2 flow spec. The 00 version can only use for EVPN network, the 01 ve= rsion can be used for l2vpn network,not just EVPN network.

Thanks.

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: BESS [bess-bounces@iet= f.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Robert Raszuk [robert@raszuk.net]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C214=C8=D5 7:55
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Thomas Morin
=B3=AD=CB=CD: IDR Chairs; BESS
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN

Hi Thomas,

Are those really two separate documents ? I can't find the former while the= slides @ IDR really talk about the content of the latter :) 

Cheers,
R.


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Thomas Morin <= span dir=3D"ltr"> <thomas.mor= in@orange.com> wrote:
Hi WG,

A heads up...

These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us:
- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn <http://tools.ietf.= org/html?draft=3Ddraft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-01> (on = idr agenda, being presented right now)
- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn <https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn-00>

Best,

-Thomas


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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=KZplR3kD c=1 sm=1 a=dhB6nF3YHL5t/Ixux6cINA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=tOPe9WHu9JkA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zQP] X-AnalysisOut: [7CpKOAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=z9tbli-vAA] X-AnalysisOut: [AA:8 a=qKTBMmCnyC--c3LOoKUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10] X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2014051901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.229.24] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cw1eRaJFEYBGEI8P1oAPlW_Brjw Cc: 'IDR Chairs' Subject: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:20:35 -0000 +1.. Jim Uttaro -----Original Message----- From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Wim= ) Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:56 PM To: Thomas Morin; BESS Cc: IDR Chairs Subject: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we require to many AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general is providing match criteria=B9s with related actions. Given the proposal on Flowspec for L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture. In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec match criteria=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/L3-IPv4/IPv6. On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" wrote: >Hi WG, > >A heads up... > >These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: >- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn > (on >idr agenda, being presented right now) >- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > > >Best, > >-Thomas > > >_______________________________________________ >BESS mailing list >BESS@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Nov 13 16:28:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738261A014F for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:28:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.194 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.194 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d9e327e16c40507cd252e Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/J9Wj8uLCPH6FRNImYK322G6ApPM Cc: "Henderickx, Wim \(Wim\)" , Thomas Morin , IDR Chairs , "Bertrand Duvivier \(bduvivie\)" , BESS Subject: Re: [bess] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06IEZsb3dzcGVjIGZvciBMMlZQTiBh?= =?utf-8?q?nd_E-VPN?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 08:09:25 -0000 --089e010d9e327e16c40507cd252e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RT overlap is a configuration issue not a protocol design issue. It is easy to avoid it by proper RT assignment for non congruent services. Cheers, R. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Haoweiguo wrote: > Hi Bertrand, > What's your solution for RT overlap issue or other possible > issue?Sometimes it is unfortunate that designing beauty needs to be > compromised in reality. > Thanks > weiguo > > ________________________________________ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie) [bduvivie@cisco= .com] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97=A5= 16:00 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS; IDR Chairs > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Flowspec for L2VPN an= d E-VPN > > +1... Would to avoid to see multiplication of fs safi. > > Sent from iPAD > > > > On Nov 14, 2014, at 01:15, Henderickx, Wim (Wim) < > wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > > > > If we define a new things I prefer to address the wider issue and inclu= de > > L2 in that. > > > >> On 13/11/14 14:13, "Haoweiguo" wrote: > >> > >> Hi Wim, > >> Allocating different AFI/SAFI(s) for each flow spec application is a > >> applicable solution. Theoretically, unified mechanism for all flowspec > >> can be designed, but it maybe a more harder work in IDR. > >> Thanks > >> weiguo > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8= =A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim (Wim) > >> [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] > >> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97= =A5 7:55 > >> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; BESS > >> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs > >> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > >> > >> As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we require to ma= ny > >> AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general is > providing > >> match criteria=C2=B9s with related actions. Given the proposal on Flow= spec > for > >> L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture. > >> In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec match > >> criteria=C2=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/L3-IPv4/= IPv6. > >> > >>> On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi WG, > >>> > >>> A heads up... > >>> > >>> These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: > >>> - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn > >>> = (on > >>> idr agenda, being presented right now) > >>> - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > >>> > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> -Thomas > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> BESS mailing list > >>> BESS@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BESS mailing list > >> BESS@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --089e010d9e327e16c40507cd252e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

RT overlap is a conf= iguration issue not a protocol design issue.=C2=A0

<= /div>
It is easy to avoid it by proper RT assignment for non c= ongruent services.=C2=A0

Cheers,=
R.


<= br>

On= Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com><= /span> wrote:
Hi Bertrand,
What's your solution for RT overlap issue or other possible issue?Somet= imes it is unfortunate that designing beauty needs to be compromised in rea= lity.
Thanks
weiguo

________________________________________
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Bertrand Duvivier (bduvivie) [bduvivie@cisco.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97=A5 1= 6:00
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS; IDR Chairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D:=C2=A0 Flowspec for L2VPN= and E-VPN

+1... Would to avoid to see multiplication of fs safi.

Sent from iPAD


> On Nov 14, 2014, at 01:15, Henderickx, Wim (Wim) <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com&g= t; wrote:
>
> If we define a new things I prefer to address the wider issue and incl= ude
> L2 in that.
>
>> On 13/11/14 14:13, "Haoweiguo" <haoweiguo@huawei.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Wim,
>> Allocating different AFI/SAFI(s) for each flow spec application is= a
>> applicable solution. Theoretically, unified mechanism for all flow= spec
>> can be designed, but it maybe a more harder work in IDR.
>> Thanks
>> weiguo
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim (Wi= m)
>> [wim.henderic= kx@alcatel-lucent.com]
>> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814= =E6=97=A5 7:55
>> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; BESS
>> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs
>> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN
>>
>> As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we require t= o many
>> AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general is p= roviding
>> match criteria=C2=B9s with related actions. Given the proposal on = Flowspec for
>> L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture.
>> In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec match<= br> >> criteria=C2=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/L3-I= Pv4/IPv6.
>>
>>> On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi WG,
>>>
>>> A heads up...
>>>
>>> These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to= us:
>>> - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn
>>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=3Dd= raft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-01> (on
>>> idr agenda, being presented right now)
>>> - draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn
>>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-idr-fl= owspec-evpn-00>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> -Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BESS mailing list
>>> BESS@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BESS mailing list
>> BESS@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
>
> _______________________________________________
> BESS mailing list
> BESS@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
_______________________________________________
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Hi Jorge,

Please see inline with [weiguo2].

Thanks

weiguo

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)= [jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C213=C8=D5 16:42
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [bess] Comments on draft draft-rabadan-bess-dci-ev= pn-overlay-00

Hi Weiguo,

Please see in-line.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014= at 11:09 PM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] Comments on draft = draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Co-authors,

In today's BESS meeting, i have some c= omments, pls allow me to reiterate here.

1. EVPN supports mass MAC withdraw whe= n local PE link failure occurs. If EVPN is used for NVO3 network interconne= cting, if a local NVE occurs node failure, local DCI PE how to notify remot= e PEs to flush MAC table in mass mode, because in this case, there maybe many TS's MAC attached to the local NVE,= mass MAC withdraw should be supported to provide MAC withdraw efficiecy.

[JORGE] If you are talking about the EVPN-MPLS interconnect model, if = there is a failure in one of the ESIs at an NVE, the NVE will withdraw the = A-D per ESI route and the DC GWs will do mass withdraw. That is perfectly s= upported. The NVE ESI A-D route updates/withdraw don=A1=AFt have to be exported to the WAN PEs. 
 
[weiguo2]: Sorry, It's my mistake, too many similar drafts. In this dr= aft no this issue. in your draft data center network is NVO3+EVPN, cont= rol plane mac learning is used. There is another draft, NVO3 uses data plan= e MAC learning, no EVPN protocol is running within data center network, in this case NVE occurs link or node f= ailure, no MASS mac withdraw mechanism.

 

2. For EVPN multi-homing, DF is electe= d per I-ESI, can you ensure BUM traffic load balancing among multiple PEs?<= /font>

[JORGE] See the procedures in section 3.4.3. 
[weiguo2]: Yes, It can realize per EVI loadbalancing.

3. If DC GW and WAN PE are separa= ted device, Option-B solution should be supprted to ensure scalability, Opt= ion-A (In your draft, it is called vlan hand-off)has two much scalability l= imitations.

[JORGE] The decoupled model assumes separate admin entities in WAN and= DC, hence you need a clear demarcation hand off for security and QoS, etc.= Of course the decouple vs integrated model described in the draft have pro= s and cons, but both are required. Option B is described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay-03 
 
Fo= r unicast traffic, the DC GW should support VN ID and MPLS VPN Label switch= ing. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label at WAN PE assign machanism also should be spe= cified. For BUM traffic, the DC GW should stitch the multicast tree within data center and the multicast tree in WAN= network.

The description is too simple in your = draft, in our previous drafts, the option-B solution is described in detail= ,  your reading are welcomed.

http://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-l2vpn-inter-nvo3-evpn/

http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-hao-l3vpn-int= er-nvo3-vpn/

 

 


[JORGE] If you refer to section 3.4, all the procedures which are *dif= ferent from EVPN* are described in the draft in my opinion. I don=A1=AFt th= ink EVPN procedures have to be explained here, but let us know if there is = something specific that can be subject to different interpretations.
 
[weiguo2]: Option-B solution only applies for decouple model. I think = the solution in your referrence is not clear, if you have spare time, pls r= ead the above two drafts. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label assigning principle, how= to stitch service layer including unicast and multicast are all described in detail. Thanks.

In my today's Option-C presentation, transport layer stitching mechanism= is described. Option-B solution should support service layer stitching, th= e mechansim also should be fully described.

 

[JORGE] As discussed, personally I think I understand your solution bu= t at the moment I haven=A1=AFt seen any use-case for such complex architect= ure. I have only seen use cases for model B or for the GW model described i= n the dci-evpn-overlay draft.
[weiguo2]: Currently NVO3 networks have not been widely deployed, so y= ou haven't seen any usecases for option-C. But maybe in the future, it will= be used, because it is a equivalent solution of vanilla option-C in RFC436= 4.
 

Thanks

weiguo

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Hi Jorge,

Please see inline with [weiguo2].

Thanks

weiguo

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)= [jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C213=C8=D5 16:42
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [bess] Comments on draft draft-rabadan-bess-dci-ev= pn-overlay-00

Hi Weiguo,

Please see in-line.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014= at 11:09 PM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] Comments on draft = draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Co-authors,

In today's BESS meeting, i have some c= omments, pls allow me to reiterate here.

1. EVPN supports mass MAC withdraw whe= n local PE link failure occurs. If EVPN is used for NVO3 network interconne= cting, if a local NVE occurs node failure, local DCI PE how to notify remot= e PEs to flush MAC table in mass mode, because in this case, there maybe many TS's MAC attached to the local NVE,= mass MAC withdraw should be supported to provide MAC withdraw efficiecy.

[JORGE] If you are talking about the EVPN-MPLS interconnect model, if = there is a failure in one of the ESIs at an NVE, the NVE will withdraw the = A-D per ESI route and the DC GWs will do mass withdraw. That is perfectly s= upported. The NVE ESI A-D route updates/withdraw don=A1=AFt have to be exported to the WAN PEs. 
 
[weiguo2]: Sorry, it's my mistake, too many similar drafts. In the dra= ft no this issue. in your draft data center network is NVO3+EVPN, contr= ol plane mac learning is used. There is another draft, NVO3 uses data plane= MAC learning, no EVPN protocol is running within data center network, in this case NVE occurs link or node failure, = no MASS mac withdraw mechanism.

 

2. For EVPN multi-homing, DF is electe= d per I-ESI, can you ensure BUM traffic load balancing among multiple PEs?<= /font>

[JORGE] See the procedures in section 3.4.3. 
[weiguo2]: Yes, It can realize per EVI loadbalancing.

3. If DC GW and WAN PE are separa= ted device, Option-B solution should be supprted to ensure scalability, Opt= ion-A (In your draft, it is called vlan hand-off)has two much scalability l= imitations.

[JORGE] The decoupled model assumes separate admin entities in WAN and= DC, hence you need a clear demarcation hand off for security and QoS, etc.= Of course the decouple vs integrated model described in the draft have pro= s and cons, but both are required. Option B is described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay-03 
 
Fo= r unicast traffic, the DC GW should support VN ID and MPLS VPN Label switch= ing. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label at WAN PE assign machanism also should be spe= cified. For BUM traffic, the DC GW should stitch the multicast tree within data center and the multicast tree in WAN= network.

The description is too simple in your = draft, in our previous drafts, the option-B solution is described in detail= ,  your reading are welcomed.

http://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-l2vpn-inter-nvo3-evpn/

http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-hao-l3vpn-int= er-nvo3-vpn/

 

 


[JORGE] If you refer to section 3.4, all the procedures which are *dif= ferent from EVPN* are described in the draft in my opinion. I don=A1=AFt th= ink EVPN procedures have to be explained here, but let us know if there is = something specific that can be subject to different interpretations.
 
[weiguo2]: Option-B solution only applies for decouple model. I think = the solution in your referrence is not clear, if you have spare time, pls r= ead the above two drafts. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label assigning principle, how= to stitch service layer including unicast and multicast are all described in detail. Thanks.

In my today's Option-C presentation, transport layer stitching mechanism= is described. Option-B solution should support service layer stitching, th= e mechansim also should be fully described.

 

[JORGE] As discussed, personally I think I understand your solution bu= t at the moment I haven=A1=AFt seen any use-case for such complex architect= ure. I have only seen use cases for model B or for the GW model described i= n the dci-evpn-overlay draft.
[weiguo2]: Currently NVO3 networks have not been widely deployed, so y= ou haven't seen any usecases for option-C. But maybe in the future, it will= be used, because it is a equivalent solution of vanilla option-C in RFC436= 4.
 

Thanks

weiguo

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"UTTARO, JAMES" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd74a34cc809f0507d22bca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/u3C2R3JetGBhmrZVw5T66p0aAS0 Cc: Mach Chen , IDR Chairs , Haoweiguo , Thomas Morin , "Henderickx, Wim \(Wim\)" , BESS Subject: Re: [bess] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06IOetlOWkjTogRmxvd3NwZWMgZm9y?= =?utf-8?q?_L2VPN_and_E-VPN?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:09:08 -0000 --047d7bd74a34cc809f0507d22bca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, And what now RTC has to do with this discussion ??? r. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:51 PM, UTTARO, JAMES wrote: > IMO there are more important reasons why one does not deploy RTC. > > Jim Uttaro > > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:05 AM > To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS > Cc: IDR Chairs > Subject: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5= =A4=8D: Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > Hi Weiguo, Wim and others, > > IMHO, AFI/SAFI based Flowspec would have better scalability and > compatibility. There is a precedent (RT-Constrain) that adopted the unifi= ed > RT for all AFI/SAFI that bring many limitation when deploying RTC. > > Best regards, > Mach > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:42 AM > > To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS > > Cc: IDR Chairs > > Subject: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4= =8D: Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > > > Hi Wim, > > It seems to be a solution. Another problem: > > Current BGP flow spec for L2 VPN /L3 VPN relies on Rout Target for poli= cy > > import/export. If using unified solution, RT can't overlap between > different > > applications(L2VPN,L3VPN...). If using separating AFI/SAFI solution, no > RT > > constraint issue. > > Maybe there are other questions for unified solution, i would like to > hear other > > expert's comments on your proposal. > > Thanks > > weiguo > > > > ________________________________________ > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8= =A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim (Wim) > > [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97= =A5 8:27 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D:= Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > > > We define a new AFI/SAFI that accommodates all we have + include L2 > > extensions. > > Operators that don=E2=80=99t need L2 extensions keep what they have. > > Operators that need L2 extensions go to the new method or mix the new > > method with the old methods per service type. > > > > Make sense? > > > > On 13/11/14 14:16, "Haoweiguo" wrote: > > > > >How to achieve compatability with current existed flowspec[RFC5575] > > >applications? > > >Thanks > > >weiguo > > > > > >________________________________________ > > >=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alc= atel-lucent.com] > > >=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97= =A5 8:14 > > >=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS > > >=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs > > >=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN = and E-VPN > > > > > >If we define a new things I prefer to address the wider issue and > > >include > > >L2 in that. > > > > > >On 13/11/14 14:13, "Haoweiguo" wrote: > > > > > >>Hi Wim, > > >>Allocating different AFI/SAFI(s) for each flow spec application is a > > >>applicable solution. Theoretically, unified mechanism for all flowspe= c > > >>can be designed, but it maybe a more harder work in IDR. > > >>Thanks > > >>weiguo > > >> > > >>________________________________________ > > >>=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3= =E8=A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim (Wim) > > >>[wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] > > >>=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6= =97=A5 7:55 > > >>=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; BESS > > >>=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs > > >>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > >> > > >>As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we require to > > >>many > > >>AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general is > > >>providing match criteria=C2=B9s with related actions. Given the propo= sal on > > >>Flowspec for > > >>L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture. > > >>In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec match > > >>criteria=C2=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/L3-IPv4= /IPv6. > > >> > > >>On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" wrote: > > >> > > >>>Hi WG, > > >>> > > >>>A heads up... > > >>> > > >>>These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: > > >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn > > >>> > > >>>(on idr agenda, being presented right now) > > >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Best, > > >>> > > >>>-Thomas > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>BESS mailing list > > >>>BESS@ietf.org > > >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>BESS mailing list > > >>BESS@ietf.org > > >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --047d7bd74a34cc809f0507d22bca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim,

And what now RTC has to do with this discussion ???
=
r.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:51 PM, UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@a= tt.com> wrote:
IMO there ar= e more important reasons why one does not deploy RTC.

Jim Uttaro

-----Original Message-----
From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:05 AM
To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS
Cc: IDR Chairs
Subject: Re: [bess] =E7=AD= =94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Flowspec for L2VPN an= d E-VPN

Hi Weiguo, Wim and others,

IMHO, AFI/SAFI based Flowspec would have better scalability and compatibili= ty. There is a precedent (RT-Constrain) that adopted the unified RT for all= AFI/SAFI that bring many limitation when deploying RTC.

Best regards,
Mach

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounc= es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:42 AM
> To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS
> Cc: IDR Chairs
> Subject: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5= =A4=8D: Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN
>
> Hi Wim,
> It seems to be a solution. Another problem:
> Current BGP flow spec for L2 VPN /L3 VPN relies on Rout Target for pol= icy
> import/export. If using unified solution, RT can't overlap between= different
> applications(L2VPN,L3VPN...). If using separating AFI/SAFI solution, n= o RT
> constraint issue.
> Maybe there are other questions for unified solution, i would like to = hear other
> expert's comments on your proposal.
> Thanks
> weiguo
>
> ________________________________________
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim (Wim) > [wim.henderickx@a= lcatel-lucent.com]
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97= =A5 8:27
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D:=C2=A0 =E7=AD=94=E5= =A4=8D:=C2=A0 Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN
>
> We define a new AFI/SAFI that accommodates all we have + include L2 > extensions.
> Operators that don=E2=80=99t need L2 extensions keep what they have. > Operators that need L2 extensions go to the new method or mix the new<= br> > method with the old methods per service type.
>
> Make sense?
>
> On 13/11/14 14:16, "Haoweiguo" <haoweiguo@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> >How to achieve compatability with current existed flowspec[RFC5575= ]
> >applications?
> >Thanks
> >weiguo
> >
> >________________________________________
> >=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com]
> >=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814= =E6=97=A5 8:14
> >=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS
> >=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs
> >=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [bess] Flowspec for L2= VPN and E-VPN
> >
> >If we define a new things I prefer to address the wider issue and<= br> > >include
> >L2 in that.
> >
> >On 13/11/14 14:13, "Haoweiguo" <haoweiguo@huawei.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Wim,
> >>Allocating different AFI/SAFI(s) for each flow spec applicatio= n is a
> >>applicable solution. Theoretically, unified mechanism for all = flowspec
> >>can be designed, but it maybe a more harder work in IDR.
> >>Thanks
> >>weiguo
> >>
> >>________________________________________
> >>=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim= (Wim)
> >>[wim.hend= erickx@alcatel-lucent.com]
> >>=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=88= 14=E6=97=A5 7:55
> >>=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; BESS
> >>=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs
> >>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > >>
> >>As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we requi= re to
> >>many
> >>AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general = is
> >>providing match criteria=C2=B9s with related actions. Given th= e proposal on
> >>Flowspec for
> >>L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture.
> >>In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec ma= tch
> >>criteria=C2=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/= L3-IPv4/IPv6.
> >>
> >>On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi WG,
> >>>
> >>>A heads up...
> >>>
> >>>These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interes= t to us:
> >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn
> >>><http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft= =3Ddraft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-01>
> >>>(on idr agenda, being presented right now)
> >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn
> >>><https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-id= r-flowspec-evpn-00>
> >>>
> >>>Best,
> >>>
> >>>-Thomas
> >>>
> >>>
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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:37:00 -0000 --001a1135b9da8ce2b10507d28f8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, For one Mach's msg never made it to the list. I am not sure how you have received it :) Second my comment was general not just to you directly. Why flowspec discussion now is derailed to RTC topic of same or different RT. Both are completely orthogonal. Cheers, r. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:27 PM, UTTARO, JAMES wrote: > Look just one message below what I wrote and one will find the > following. I bolded the sentence. > > > > =E2=80=9CHi Weiguo, Wim and others, > > > > IMHO, AFI/SAFI based Flowspec would have better scalability and > compatibility. *There is a precedent (RT-Constrain) that adopted the > unified RT for all AFI/SAFI that bring many limitation when deploying RTC= .* > > > > Best regards, > > Mach=E2=80=9D > > > > *From:* rraszuk@gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Rober= t > Raszuk > *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 9:09 AM > *To:* UTTARO, JAMES > *Cc:* Mach Chen; Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS; > IDR Chairs > *Subject:* Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94= =E5=A4=8D: Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > > > Jim, > > > > And what now RTC has to do with this discussion ??? > > > > r. > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:51 PM, UTTARO, JAMES wrote: > > IMO there are more important reasons why one does not deploy RTC. > > Jim Uttaro > > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:05 AM > To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS > Cc: IDR Chairs > > Subject: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5= =A4=8D: Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > Hi Weiguo, Wim and others, > > IMHO, AFI/SAFI based Flowspec would have better scalability and > compatibility. There is a precedent (RT-Constrain) that adopted the unifi= ed > RT for all AFI/SAFI that bring many limitation when deploying RTC. > > Best regards, > Mach > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:42 AM > > To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS > > Cc: IDR Chairs > > Subject: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4= =8D: Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > > > Hi Wim, > > It seems to be a solution. Another problem: > > Current BGP flow spec for L2 VPN /L3 VPN relies on Rout Target for poli= cy > > import/export. If using unified solution, RT can't overlap between > different > > applications(L2VPN,L3VPN...). If using separating AFI/SAFI solution, no > RT > > constraint issue. > > Maybe there are other questions for unified solution, i would like to > hear other > > expert's comments on your proposal. > > Thanks > > weiguo > > > > ________________________________________ > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8= =A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim (Wim) > > [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97= =A5 8:27 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D:= Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > > > We define a new AFI/SAFI that accommodates all we have + include L2 > > extensions. > > Operators that don=E2=80=99t need L2 extensions keep what they have. > > Operators that need L2 extensions go to the new method or mix the new > > method with the old methods per service type. > > > > Make sense? > > > > On 13/11/14 14:16, "Haoweiguo" wrote: > > > > >How to achieve compatability with current existed flowspec[RFC5575] > > >applications? > > >Thanks > > >weiguo > > > > > >________________________________________ > > >=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alc= atel-lucent.com] > > >=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97= =A5 8:14 > > >=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS > > >=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs > > >=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN = and E-VPN > > > > > >If we define a new things I prefer to address the wider issue and > > >include > > >L2 in that. > > > > > >On 13/11/14 14:13, "Haoweiguo" wrote: > > > > > >>Hi Wim, > > >>Allocating different AFI/SAFI(s) for each flow spec application is a > > >>applicable solution. Theoretically, unified mechanism for all flowspe= c > > >>can be designed, but it maybe a more harder work in IDR. > > >>Thanks > > >>weiguo > > >> > > >>________________________________________ > > >>=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3= =E8=A1=A8 Henderickx, Wim (Wim) > > >>[wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] > > >>=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8814=E6= =97=A5 7:55 > > >>=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; BESS > > >>=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs > > >>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN > > >> > > >>As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we require to > > >>many > > >>AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general is > > >>providing match criteria=C2=B9s with related actions. Given the propo= sal on > > >>Flowspec for > > >>L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture. > > >>In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec match > > >>criteria=C2=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/L3-IPv4= /IPv6. > > >> > > >>On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" wrote: > > >> > > >>>Hi WG, > > >>> > > >>>A heads up... > > >>> > > >>>These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interest to us: > > >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn > > >>> > > >>>(on idr agenda, being presented right now) > > >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Best, > > >>> > > >>>-Thomas > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>BESS mailing list > > >>>BESS@ietf.org > > >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>BESS mailing list > > >>BESS@ietf.org > > >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > --001a1135b9da8ce2b10507d28f8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well,

For one Mach's msg never made it to the list. I am not sure how yo= u have received it :)

Second my = comment was general not just to you directly.=C2=A0

=
Why flowspec discussion now is derailed to RTC topic of= same or different RT. Both are completely orthogonal.
<= br>
Cheers,
r.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:2= 7 PM, UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com> wrote:

Look just one message bel= ow what I wrote and one will find the following. I bolded the sentence.<= /u>

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CHi Weiguo, Wim a= nd others,

=C2=A0

IMHO, AFI/SAFI based Flow= spec would have better scalability and compatibility. There is a precedent (RT-Constrain) that adopted the unified RT for all = AFI/SAFI that bring many limitation when deploying RTC.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Mach=E2=80=9D

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From: rraszuk@gmail.com [mail= to:rraszuk@gmail.com= ] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:09 AM
To: UTTARO, JAMES
Cc: Mach Chen; Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS;= IDR Chairs
Subject: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Flowspec fo= r L2VPN and E-VPN

=C2=A0

= Jim,

= =C2=A0

= And what now RTC has to do with this discussion ???

= =C2=A0

= r.

=C2=A0

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:51 PM, UTTARO, JAMES <<= a href=3D"mailto:ju1738@att.com" target=3D"_blank">ju1738@att.com> w= rote:

IMO there are more important reasons why one does no= t deploy RTC.

Jim Uttaro

-----Original Message-----
From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:05 AM
To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS
Cc: IDR Chairs

Subject: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D= : =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN

Hi Weiguo, Wim and others,

IMHO, AFI/SAFI based Flowspec would have better scalability and compatibili= ty. There is a precedent (RT-Constrain) that adopted the unified RT for all= AFI/SAFI that bring many limitation when deploying RTC.

Best regards,
Mach

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:42 AM
> To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim); Thomas Morin; BESS
> Cc: IDR Chairs
> Subject: [bess] =E7= =AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA= : BESS [bess-bou= nces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8= Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
> [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com]
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97= =B4: 2014=E5=B9=B4= 11=E6=9C=88= 14=E6=97=A5 8:27 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6= =E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: IDR Chairs
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D= :=C2=A0 =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D:=C2=A0 Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN
>
> We define a new AFI/SAFI that accommodates all we have + include L2 > extensions.
> Operators that don=E2=80=99t need L2 extensions keep what they have. > Operators that need L2 extensions go to the new method or mix the new<= br> > method with the old methods per service type.
>
> Make sense?
>
> On 13/11/14 14:16, "Haoweiguo" <haoweiguo@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> >How to achieve compatability with current existed flowspec[RFC5575= ]
> >applications?
> >Thanks
> >weiguo
> >
> >________________________________________
> >=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com]
> >=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2014=E5=B9= =B411=E6=9C=8814=E6=97=A5 8:1= 4
> >=E6=94=B6=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Haoweiguo; Thomas Morin; BESS
> >=E6=8A=84=E9=80= =81: IDR Chairs
> >=E4=B8=BB= =E9=A2=98: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D= : [bess] Flowspec for L2VPN and E-VPN
> >
> >If we define a new things I prefer to address the wider issue and<= br> > >include
> >L2 in that.
> >
> >On 13/11/14 14:13, "Haoweiguo" <haoweiguo@huawei.com> wrote: > >
> >>Hi Wim,
> >>Allocating different AFI/SAFI(s) for each flow spec applicatio= n is a
> >>applicable solution. Theoretically, unified mechanism for all = flowspec
> >>can be designed, but it maybe a more harder work in IDR.
> >>Thanks
> >>weiguo
> >>
> >>________________________________________
> >>=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA= =BA: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8= Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
> >>[wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com]
> >>=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97= =B6=E9=97=B4: 2014= =E5=B9=B411=E6=9C= =8814=E6=97=A5 7:55
> >>=E6=94=B6=E4= =BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Thomas Morin; BESS
> >>=E6=8A=84=E9= =80=81: IDR Chairs
> >>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [bess] Flowsp= ec for L2VPN and E-VPN
> >>
> >>As I stated in the IDR meeting my observation is that we requi= re to
> >>many
> >>AFI/SAFI(s) for all flow spec functions. Flow spec in general = is
> >>providing match criteria=C2=B9s with related actions. Given th= e proposal on
> >>Flowspec for
> >>L2 is new we should look at the bigger picture.
> >>In My view we need a mechanism in BGP to advertise Flowspec ma= tch
> >>criteria=C2=B9s with related actions and they should cover L2/= L3-IPv4/IPv6.
> >>
> >>On 13/11/14 13:44, "Thomas Morin" <thomas.morin@orange.com&= gt; wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi WG,
> >>>
> >>>A heads up...
> >>>
> >>>These two drafts relate to BESS and thus may be of interes= t to us:
> >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn
> >>><http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft= =3Ddraft-hao-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-01>
> >>>(on idr agenda, being presented right now)
> >>>- draft-hao-idr-flowspec-evpn
> >>><https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-id= r-flowspec-evpn-00>
> >>>
> >>>Best,
> >>>
> >>>-Thomas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>BESS mailing list
> >>>BESS@ie= tf.org
> >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>BESS mailing list
> >>BESS@ietf.o= rg
> >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
>
> _______________________________________________
> BESS mailing list
> BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess
> _______________________________________________
> BESS mailing list
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Mia culpa. I am happy to hear from authors of 4659 and from the WG if they have opinions. Personally, I hate metadata errata because I have to look up how to process them. But that is hardly an excuse. My main excuse is that errata processing always seems less important than fighting fires. On my list. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of George, Wes > Sent: 14 November 2014 04:38 > To: jeremy.de_clercq@alcatel.be; dirk@onesparrow.com; > marco.carugi@nortel.com; flefauch@cisco.com; martin.vigoureux@alcatel- > lucent.com; thomas.morin@orange.com; bess@ietf.org > Cc: bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org; routing-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [bess] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4659 (4087) > > I realize that this sort of switched WGs due to the reorg of routing area, > but how long should an erratum sit without being acknowledged, whether it > is accepted or rejected? > > Thanks, > Wes George > > > On 8/18/14, 12:12 PM, "RFC Errata System" > wrote: > > >The following errata report has been submitted for RFC4659, > >"BGP-MPLS IP Virtual Private Network (VPN) Extension for IPv6 VPN". > > > >-------------------------------------- > >You may review the report below and at: > >http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4659&eid=4087 > > > >-------------------------------------- > >Type: Technical > >Reported by: Wesley George > > > >Section: GLOBAL > > > >Original Text > >------------- > >No "updates" metadata reference to update RFC4364 > > > >Corrected Text > >-------------- > >This document updates RFC4364 (and associated metadata links) > > > >Notes > >----- > >RFC4659 provides an extension to the standard defined in RFC4364 to add > >IPv6 support to a standard that was originally IPv4-only. This metadata > >link will make it clearer for implementers that both standards are > >necessary for a full implementation. > > > >Instructions: > >------------- > >This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > >use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > >rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) > >can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > > >-------------------------------------- > >RFC4659 (draft-ietf-l3vpn-bgp-ipv6-07) > >-------------------------------------- > >Title : BGP-MPLS IP Virtual Private Network (VPN) Extension > >for IPv6 VPN > >Publication Date : September 2006 > >Author(s) : J. De Clercq, D. Ooms, M. Carugi, F. 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Reported] RFC4659 (4087) / IPv6 mandatory for an RFC4364 implem ? X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:36:28 -0000 > IETF isn't the protocol police. Agreed. But the IPv6 police seem a bit overenthusiastic these days. ("These days" meaning for the last 20 years or so.) > Metadata in this case is to help implementers find the links between > documents when they build upon one another and make the act of > implementing IETF standards mildly more user-friendly. 4659 has 4364 > as a normative reference, I am simply suggesting that there should be > a forward reference to 4659 from 4364 to identify that the protocol > was later extended with new features that they should consider > implementing. This just isn't the meaning of "Updates". > I think that the nuanced inference that you are making as to why > "updates" is used or not used is going to be lost on all but those > deeply involved in IETF standards minutiae. Agreed. Of course, the same could be said of all the meta-data, including the classification as "standards track", "experimental", etc. Nevertheless, the terms have been given a certain meaning with regard to IETF process, and we can't just decide that we're going to use them differently. The only real impact of accepting this erratum would be to give fuel to non-productive arguments like: - "Hey, your alleged implementation of 4364 isn't compliant to 4364, because it doesn't implement 4659." - "But it was compliant last week!" - "No, it hasn't been compliant since BCP177 was published". - "Then BCP177 should have updated 4364" So I would suggest rejecting this erratum on the grounds that any positive effect is more than outweighed by the time wasted having non-productive arguments about it. 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Hi Joege,

Sorry, may be you missed it. Your disc= ription is Option-A solution between NVO3 GW and EVPN PE, not Option-B solu= tion. In option-B case, no MAC VRFs are required on GW, only VN ID and MPLS= VPN Label switching is needed, it has bettter scalability than option-A.

Thanks

weiguo

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf= .org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge) [jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com= ]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C215=C8=D5 1:23
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [bess] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Comments on draft draft-rabad= an-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Weiguo,

In-line [JORGE2].
Thanks.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at= 1:08 AM
To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alc= atel-lucent.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Comm= ents on draft draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Jorge,

Please see inline with [weiguo2].

Thanks

weiguo

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)= [jor= ge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C213=C8=D5 16:42
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [bess] Comments on draft draft-rabadan-bess-dci-ev= pn-overlay-00

Hi Weiguo,

Please see in-line.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014= at 11:09 PM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] Comments on draft = draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Co-authors,

In today's BESS meeting, i have some c= omments, pls allow me to reiterate here.

1. EVPN supports mass MAC withdraw whe= n local PE link failure occurs. If EVPN is used for NVO3 network interconne= cting, if a local NVE occurs node failure, local DCI PE how to notify remot= e PEs to flush MAC table in mass mode, because in this case, there maybe many TS's MAC attached to the local NVE,= mass MAC withdraw should be supported to provide MAC withdraw efficiecy.

[JORGE] If you are talking about the EVPN-MPLS interconnect model, if = there is a failure in one of the ESIs at an NVE, the NVE will withdraw the = A-D per ESI route and the DC GWs will do mass withdraw. That is perfectly s= upported. The NVE ESI A-D route updates/withdraw don=A1=AFt have to be exported to the WAN PEs. 
 
[weiguo2]: Sorry, it's my mistake, too many similar drafts. In the dra= ft no this issue. in your draft data center network is NVO3+EVPN, contr= ol plane mac learning is used. There is another draft, NVO3 uses data plane= MAC learning, no EVPN protocol is running within data center network, in this case NVE occurs link or node failure, = no MASS mac withdraw mechanism.

 

2. For EVPN multi-homing, DF is electe= d per I-ESI, can you ensure BUM traffic load balancing among multiple PEs?<= /font>

[JORGE] See the procedures in section 3.4.3. 
[weiguo2]: Yes, It can realize per EVI loadbalancing.

3. If DC GW and WAN PE are separa= ted device, Option-B solution should be supprted to ensure scalability, Opt= ion-A (In your draft, it is called vlan hand-off)has two much scalability l= imitations.

[JORGE] The decoupled model assumes separate admin entities in WAN and= DC, hence you need a clear demarcation hand off for security and QoS, etc.= Of course the decouple vs integrated model described in the draft have pro= s and cons, but both are required. Option B is described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay-03 
 
Fo= r unicast traffic, the DC GW should support VN ID and MPLS VPN Label switch= ing. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label at WAN PE assign machanism also should be spe= cified. For BUM traffic, the DC GW should stitch the multicast tree within data center and the multicast tree in WAN= network.

The description is too simple in your = draft, in our previous drafts, the option-B solution is described in detail= ,  your reading are welcomed.

http://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-l2vpn-inter-nvo3-evpn/

http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-hao-l3vpn-int= er-nvo3-vpn/

 

 


[JORGE] If you refer to section 3.4, all the procedures which are *dif= ferent from EVPN* are described in the draft in my opinion. I don=A1=AFt th= ink EVPN procedures have to be explained here, but let us know if there is = something specific that can be subject to different interpretations.
 
[weiguo2]: Option-B solution only applies for decouple model. I think = the solution in your referrence is not clear, if you have spare time, pls r= ead the above two drafts. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label assigning principle, how= to stitch service layer including unicast and multicast are all described in detail. Thanks.

[JORGE2] To be clear, this draft does not talk about option B. = That is explained in the evpn-overlay draft. This draft defines a gateway f= unction, where a MAC-VRF is instantiated in the GW, i.e. a MAC lookup is re= quired. As such, stitching and translations VNI to VNI or VNI to MPLS label are all fully supported. The VNIs or MPLS = labels are locally allocated and there are no dependencies because we alway= s do a MAC lookup. Can you please let us know what exactly is not clear?
Another comment: the decouple vs integrated thing is terminology of th= is draft and it is not used anywhere else, and IMO it does not make sense w= hen talking about option B.

In my today's Option-C presentation, transport layer stitching mechanism= is described. Option-B solution should support service layer stitching, th= e mechansim also should be fully described.

 


[JORGE] As discussed, personally I think I understand your solution bu= t at the moment I haven=A1=AFt seen any use-case for such complex architect= ure. I have only seen use cases for model B or for the GW model described i= n the dci-evpn-overlay draft.
[weiguo2]: Currently NVO3 networks have not been widely deployed, so y= ou haven't seen any usecases for option-C. But maybe in the future, it will= be used, because it is a equivalent solution of vanilla option-C in RFC436= 4.
 

Thanks

weiguo

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Thread-Index: AdAAYoZ1TD1LKg9HTg+uvaLHUzHXMQ== Message-ID: References: <20140818161229.2EBB0180450@rfc-editor.org> <0c1a01cfffc8$604e25b0$20ea7110$@olddog.co.uk> <32620_1415941914_54658F1A_32620_7577_1_54658F17.4040206@orange.com> <54663D8D.1060109@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <54663D8D.1060109@juniper.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/4CskC7hJiCjuODRGU-pg3z77LR0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 00:39:22 -0800 Cc: "bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4659 (4087) / IPv6 mandatory for an RFC4364 implem ? 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Thanks, Adrian From nobody Tue Nov 18 06:51:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8831A066C; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:51:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZnXxjhgKzUx; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363B61A0B76; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:51:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141118145127.26276.16270.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:51:27 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/Gxz0ESjyWk2-awSq6oWlD3tiu4A Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:51:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : MVPN: Using Bidirectional P-Tunnels Authors : Eric C. Rosen IJsbrand Wijnands Yiqun Cai Arjen Boers Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-00.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2014-11-18 Abstract: A set of prior RFCs specify procedures for supporting multicast in BGP/MPLS IP VPNs. These procedures allow customer multicast data to travel across a service provider's backbone network through a set of multicast tunnels. The tunnels are advertised in certain BGP multicast "auto-discovery" routes, by means of a BGP attribute known as the "Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel attribute". Encodings have been defined that allow the PMSI Tunnel attribute to identify bidirectional (multipoint-to-multipoint) multicast distribution trees. However, the prior RFCs do not provide all the necessary procedures for using bidirectional tunnels to support multicast VPNs. This document updates RFCs 6513 and 6625 by specifying those procedures. In particular, it specifies the procedures for assigning customer multicast flows (unidirectional or bidirectional) to specific bidirectional tunnels in the provider backbone, for advertising such assignments, and for determining which flows have been assigned to which tunnels. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Hi Joege,

Thanks for your detail explanations.

Yes, there are two Option-B solutions = as follows.

1. No MAC VRF is created on DC GW, no = sub interfaces associated with each VRF are created between DC GW and WAN P= E. Only VN ID and MPLS VPN Label switching is performed on DC GW for unicas= t traffic forwarding. This solution is equivalent option-B of RFC 4364.

2. MAC VRF is created on DC GW,  = MPLS VPN Label is allocated per VRF,no sub interfaces associated with each = VRF are created between DC GW and WAN PE.

 

The above second solution is your solu= tion. It has no problem. Several months ago, Robert and I had already propo= sed this solution, pls read our draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hao-l3vpn-inter-nvo3-vpn-01(sectio= n 7), and we think the above two solutions can be hybrid deployed, which m= eans from WAN to DC direction using the second solution, from DC to WAN dir= ection using the first solution.

 

Thanks

weiguo

From: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge) [jorge.rabadan= @alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 12:27
To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [bess] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Comments on draft dr= aft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Weiguo,

My apologies but I don=A1=AFt get what you think I missed :-)
draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay describes a gateway solution tha= t does not match an RFC4364-=A1=B0equivalent" model (*)
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-00 descr= ibes an Inter-AS solution that matches an RFC4364-=A1=B0equivalent=A1=B1&nb= sp;model-B.

(*) Model A means MAC-VRF to MAC-VRF = connected through sub-interfaces, i.e. attachment circuits. This is only the case in section 2.2 of the decoupled model. The rest o= f the sub-models do not match this description. In particular, one of the m= odels: section 3.4 EVPN-MPLS interconnect for EVPN-Overlay networks, uses E= VPN at both sides:
  • This is in no way model A, since a) MP= -BGP is used at both sides, to the DC RR and to the WAN RR and b) no sub-in= terfaces are used to get connected to the WAN PEs. 
  • A MAC-VRF is instantiated in the = GW due to the requirements explained in the document.
  • We are not comparing the scalabil= ity of this solution vs the Inter-AS solution explained in draf= t-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-00. We are just providing a needed solution given = the stated requirements.
  • It is understood that this requires MAC lookup hence storing MACs = in the FIB, but has many other advantages over an inter-AS model B solution= . For instance:
    • It provides protection/isolation to the DC (control over the advertised= MACs, proxy-ARP/ND, unknown-mac-route)
    • Allows local ACs
    • Label aggregation: in model B the GW adv= ertises to the WAN a label per NVE per MAC-VRF and the other way around (a = label per PE per MAC-VRF to the DC). In our model a single label is adverti= sed per MAC-VRF to the WAN and the other way around. So from the label perspective, it helps scaling the DC and the WAN network more than m= odel B.
    • Also provides WAN and DC independency in terms of inclusive multic= ast trees, MAC mobility and other procedures.
Some slides about it:

Thanks.
Jorge

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at= 3:14 PM
To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alc= atel-lucent.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [bess] =B4= =F0=B8=B4: Comments on draft draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Joege,

Sorry, may be you missed it. Your disc= ription is Option-A solution between NVO3 GW and EVPN PE, not Option-B solu= tion. In option-B case, no MAC VRFs are required on GW, only VN ID and MPLS= VPN Label switching is needed, it has bettter scalability than option-A.

Thanks

weiguo

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA= =B1=ED Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge) [jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C215=C8=D5 1:23
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [bess] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Comments on draft draft-rabad= an-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Weiguo,

In-line [JORGE2].
Thanks.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at= 1:08 AM
To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alc= atel-lucent.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Comm= ents on draft draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Jorge,

Please see inline with [weiguo2].

Thanks

weiguo

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)= [jor= ge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2014=C4=EA11=D4=C213=C8=D5 16:42
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [bess] Comments on draft draft-rabadan-bess-dci-ev= pn-overlay-00

Hi Weiguo,

Please see in-line.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014= at 11:09 PM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] Comments on draft = draft-rabadan-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-00

Hi Co-authors,

In today's BESS meeting, i have some c= omments, pls allow me to reiterate here.

1. EVPN supports mass MAC withdraw whe= n local PE link failure occurs. If EVPN is used for NVO3 network interconne= cting, if a local NVE occurs node failure, local DCI PE how to notify remot= e PEs to flush MAC table in mass mode, because in this case, there maybe many TS's MAC attached to the local NVE,= mass MAC withdraw should be supported to provide MAC withdraw efficiecy.

[JORGE] If you are talking about the EVPN-MPLS interconnect model, if = there is a failure in one of the ESIs at an NVE, the NVE will withdraw the = A-D per ESI route and the DC GWs will do mass withdraw. That is perfectly s= upported. The NVE ESI A-D route updates/withdraw don=A1=AFt have to be exported to the WAN PEs. 
 
[weiguo2]: Sorry, it's my mistake, too many similar drafts. In the dra= ft no this issue. in your draft data center network is NVO3+EVPN, contr= ol plane mac learning is used. There is another draft, NVO3 uses data plane= MAC learning, no EVPN protocol is running within data center network, in this case NVE occurs link or node failure, = no MASS mac withdraw mechanism.

 

2. For EVPN multi-homing, DF is electe= d per I-ESI, can you ensure BUM traffic load balancing among multiple PEs?<= /font>

[JORGE] See the procedures in section 3.4.3. 
[weiguo2]: Yes, It can realize per EVI loadbalancing.

3. If DC GW and WAN PE are separa= ted device, Option-B solution should be supprted to ensure scalability, Opt= ion-A (In your draft, it is called vlan hand-off)has two much scalability l= imitations.

[JORGE] The decoupled model assumes separate admin entities in WAN and= DC, hence you need a clear demarcation hand off for security and QoS, etc.= Of course the decouple vs integrated model described in the draft have pro= s and cons, but both are required. Option B is described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay-03 
 
Fo= r unicast traffic, the DC GW should support VN ID and MPLS VPN Label switch= ing. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label at WAN PE assign machanism also should be spe= cified. For BUM traffic, the DC GW should stitch the multicast tree within data center and the multicast tree in WAN= network.

The description is too simple in your = draft, in our previous drafts, the option-B solution is described in detail= ,  your reading are welcomed.

http://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-hao-l2vpn-inter-nvo3-evpn/

http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-hao-l3vpn-int= er-nvo3-vpn/

 

 


[JORGE] If you refer to section 3.4, all the procedures which are *dif= ferent from EVPN* are described in the draft in my opinion. I don=A1=AFt th= ink EVPN procedures have to be explained here, but let us know if there is = something specific that can be subject to different interpretations.
 
[weiguo2]: Option-B solution only applies for decouple model. I think = the solution in your referrence is not clear, if you have spare time, pls r= ead the above two drafts. VN ID and MPLS VPN Label assigning principle, how= to stitch service layer including unicast and multicast are all described in detail. Thanks.

[JORGE2] To be clear, this draft does not talk about option B. = That is explained in the evpn-overlay draft. This draft defines a gateway f= unction, where a MAC-VRF is instantiated in the GW, i.e. a MAC lookup is re= quired. As such, stitching and translations VNI to VNI or VNI to MPLS label are all fully supported. The VNIs or MPLS = labels are locally allocated and there are no dependencies because we alway= s do a MAC lookup. Can you please let us know what exactly is not clear?
Another comment: the decouple vs integrated thing is terminology of th= is draft and it is not used anywhere else, and IMO it does not make sense w= hen talking about option B.

In my today's Option-C presentation, transport layer stitching mechanism= is described. Option-B solution should support service layer stitching, th= e mechansim also should be fully described.

 


[JORGE] As discussed, personally I think I understand your solution bu= t at the moment I haven=A1=AFt seen any use-case for such complex architect= ure. I have only seen use cases for model B or for the GW model described i= n the dci-evpn-overlay draft.
[weiguo2]: Currently NVO3 networks have not been widely deployed, so y= ou haven't seen any usecases for option-C. But maybe in the future, it will= be used, because it is a equivalent solution of vanilla option-C in RFC436= 4.
 

Thanks

weiguo

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-0800 Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "iesg@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 01:57:50 -0000 Hi Adrian, Do we need to update those existing WG documents to version 00 of PALS or B= ESS WG document? Regards, Yuanlong -----Original Message----- From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:02 AM To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group Hi, Please close the L2VPN working group. Please keep the mailing list open and the archive active. We may return and close the mailing list in due course, but it is a useful back-stop for accidental emails and for message that are automatically gene= rated by the processing of documents in the pipe. Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ Pals mailing list Pals@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals From nobody Wed Nov 19 03:56:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F381A038B for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 03:56:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DLUmNCtEzugS for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 03:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client 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([2001:420:c0c0:1001::39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h13sm2250167wiw.4.2014.11.19.05.31.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Nov 2014 05:31:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Giles Heron In-Reply-To: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F77CE@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:31:04 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <103101d00106$ae30f520$0a92df60$@olddog.co.uk> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F77CE@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> To: Jiangyuanlong X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/z6spa0NR-3XouIEXuBo0pnXfaQQ Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "iesg-secretary@ietf.org" , "iesg@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:31:12 -0000 Hi Yuanlong, we've been talking to the PALS and BESS chairs. You should be hearing = from them directly depending on which WG your draft ends up in. Where docs have passed WG Last Call already Nabil and I will shepherd = them. Are you requesting specifically for draft-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree? I think = Nabil plans to shepherd that one - but I'll leave it to him to comment. Giles On 19 Nov 2014, at 01:57, Jiangyuanlong = wrote: > Hi Adrian, >=20 > Do we need to update those existing WG documents to version 00 of PALS = or BESS WG document? >=20 > Regards, > Yuanlong >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:02 AM > To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org > Subject: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Please close the L2VPN working group. >=20 > Please keep the mailing list open and the archive active. > We may return and close the mailing list in due course, but it is a = useful > back-stop for accidental emails and for message that are automatically = generated > by the processing of documents in the pipe. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals >=20 > 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<32620_1415941914_54658F1A_32620_7577_1_54658F17.4040206@orange.com> <54663D8D.1060109@juniper.net> <631D26A1-F2D6-4875-B259-E166F5BDB6E4@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:34:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Mz7cu_HWWEkIh_vmpJ5sFGi2G7M Message-ID: From: Robert Raszuk To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0112ccea8c30fc050833c05c Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/6VvCWKLPQsXPc5lq7wpOhUx53qY X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:11:20 -0800 Cc: "jeremy.de_clercq@alcatel.be" , Ooms Dirk , "thomas.morin@orange.com" , "George, Wes" , "bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , Eric C Rosen , Adrian Farrel , "marco.carugi@nortel.com" , "martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com" , "bess@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4659 (4087) / IPv6 mandatory for an RFC4364 implem ? X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:34:15 -0000 --089e0112ccea8c30fc050833c05c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I agree with Francois & Eric. To me RFC4659 is an "amendment" to RFC4364 not an "update" or "errata" I vote to reject. Cheers, R. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) < flefauch@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Wes and all, > > Based on my (possibly naive or outdated) understanding of =E2=80=9Cupdate= ", I > don=E2=80=99t see RFC4659 as updating RFC4364. > From my recollection of the work to produce RFC4659 at the time, there wa= s > no intention for the WG to influence whether IPv6 was going to be mandato= ry > in implementation of RFC4364. It was considered that one may implement > RFC4364 for IPv4, and if one wanted to support IPv6 support then they=E2= =80=99d > also implement RFC4659. > If some other document wants to take a stab at defining what IPv6 feature > is mandatory in what environment, fine by me. But I don=E2=80=99t believe= that was > the intention of the WG or RFC4659. > > So unless someone produces a definition for =E2=80=9Cupdates=E2=80=9D tha= t change my > understanding, I vote for rejecting the errata. > > Cheers > > Francois > > > On 14 Nov 2014, at 13:27, George, Wes wrote= : > > > > On 11/14/14, 12:36 PM, "Eric C Rosen" wrote: > > > > > >> This just isn't the meaning of "Updates". > >> > >>> I think that the nuanced inference that you are making as to why > >>> "updates" is used or not used is going to be lost on all but those > >>> deeply involved in IETF standards minutiae. > >> > >> Agreed. Of course, the same could be said of all the meta-data, > >> including the classification as "standards track", "experimental", etc= . > >> Nevertheless, the terms have been given a certain meaning with regard > >> to IETF process, and we can't just decide that we're going to use them > >> differently. > > > > WG] I am not trying to ad hoc redefine the term. However, searching for > > "RFC updates" produces a lot of irrelevant results, so quite honestly I > > have no idea what to feed a search engine to find the right RFC or BCP > > that normatively defines the term "updates" as far as metadata is > > concerned and what that means in IETF process terms for the relationshi= p > > between the documents, so I can't really respond to your assertion > > intelligently. Citation, please? > > > >> The only real impact of accepting this erratum would be to give fuel t= o > >> non-productive arguments like: > >> > >> - "Hey, your alleged implementation of 4364 isn't compliant to 4364, > >> because it doesn't implement 4659." > >> > >> - "But it was compliant last week!" > >> > >> - "No, it hasn't been compliant since BCP177 was published". > >> > >> - "Then BCP177 should have updated 4364" > >> > >> So I would suggest rejecting this erratum on the grounds that any > >> positive effect is more than outweighed by the time wasted having > >> non-productive arguments about it. > > > > WG] Well, the same argument could happen with nearly any standard that = is > > updated by subsequent standards on or after the day that the updating > > draft becomes a standard. This is because "updates" (along with > > obsolete/historical/replace) is how we evolve our standards, and > > implementers have to evaluate whether they need to update their > > implementation to keep up with those changes, usually with feedback fro= m > > the people who buy their implementations, since they are the ones who > > determine whether a given implementation is "standards compliant" as > > shorthand for "meets my needs for features and interoperability". The > > reason I filed an erratum is that I believe that the lack of the update > > metadata linkage was an oversight, not that I am trying to retroactivel= y > > backdoor a change to the standard and consensus. If anyone has the > history > > and can show that the WG made a conscious decision around this, I'll > stand > > corrected, and will update draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-only-gap accordingly to > > reflect the conflict between the two documents (4364 is still in full > > effect as a standalone standard but explicitly doesn't support IPv6, > while > > 4659 does support IPv6 but doesn't actually change 4364 to harmonize th= e > > standard and reflect that IPv6 support is possible). > > > > Also: When did IETF start optimizing to avoid wasting time on > > non-productive arguments? ;-) > > > > Wes George > > > > > > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable > proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to > copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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Well I agree with Fr= ancois & Eric.=C2=A0

To me R= FC4659 is an "amendment" to RFC4364 not an "update" or = "errata"

I vote to rej= ect.

Cheers,
= R.


On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Francois Le Faucheur = (flefauch) <flefauch@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Wes and all,

Based on my (possibly naive or outdated) understanding of =E2=80=9Cupdate&q= uot;, I don=E2=80=99t see RFC4659 as updating RFC4364.
>From my recollection of the work to produce RFC4659 at the time, there was = no intention for the WG to influence whether IPv6 was going to be mandatory= in implementation of RFC4364. It was considered that one may implement RFC= 4364 for IPv4, and if one wanted to support IPv6 support then they=E2=80=99= d also implement RFC4659.
If some other document wants to take a stab at defining what IPv6 feature i= s mandatory in what environment, fine by me. But I don=E2=80=99t believe th= at was the intention of the WG or RFC4659.

So unless someone produces a definition for =E2=80=9Cupdates=E2=80=9D that = change my understanding, I vote for rejecting the errata.

Cheers

Francois

> On 14 Nov 2014, at 13:27, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/14/14, 12:36 PM, "Eric C Rosen" <erosen@juniper.net> wrote:
>
>
>> This just isn't the meaning of "Updates".
>>
>>> I think that the nuanced inference that you are making as to w= hy
>>> "updates" is used or not used is going to be lost on= all but those
>>> deeply involved in IETF standards minutiae.
>>
>> Agreed.=C2=A0 Of course, the same could be said of all the meta-da= ta,
>> including the classification as "standards track", "= ;experimental", etc.
>> Nevertheless, the terms have been given a certain meaning with reg= ard
>> to IETF process, and we can't just decide that we're going= to use them
>> differently.
>
> WG] I am not trying to ad hoc redefine the term. However, searching fo= r
> "RFC updates" produces a lot of irrelevant results, so quite= honestly I
> have no idea what to feed a search engine to find the right RFC or BCP=
> that normatively defines the term "updates" as far as metada= ta is
> concerned and what that means in IETF process terms for the relationsh= ip
> between the documents, so I can't really respond to your assertion=
> intelligently. Citation, please?
>
>> The only real impact of accepting this erratum would be to give fu= el to
>> non-productive arguments like:
>>
>> - "Hey, your alleged implementation of 4364 isn't complia= nt to 4364,
>> because it doesn't implement 4659."
>>
>> - "But it was compliant last week!"
>>
>> - "No, it hasn't been compliant since BCP177 was publishe= d".
>>
>> - "Then BCP177 should have updated 4364"
>>
>> So I would suggest rejecting this erratum on the grounds that any<= br> >> positive effect is more than outweighed by the time wasted having<= br> >> non-productive arguments about it.
>
> WG] Well, the same argument could happen with nearly any standard that= is
> updated by subsequent standards on or after the day that the updating<= br> > draft becomes a standard. This is because "updates" (along w= ith
> obsolete/historical/replace) is how we evolve our standards, and
> implementers have to evaluate whether they need to update their
> implementation to keep up with those changes, usually with feedback fr= om
> the people who buy their implementations, since they are the ones who<= br> > determine whether a given implementation is "standards compliant&= quot; as
> shorthand for "meets my needs for features and interoperability&q= uot;. The
> reason I filed an erratum is that I believe that the lack of the updat= e
> metadata linkage was an oversight, not that I am trying to retroactive= ly
> backdoor a change to the standard and consensus. If anyone has the his= tory
> and can show that the WG made a conscious decision around this, I'= ll stand
> corrected, and will update draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-only-gap accordingly t= o
> reflect the conflict between the two documents (4364 is still in full<= br> > effect as a standalone standard but explicitly doesn't support IPv= 6, while
> 4659 does support IPv6 but doesn't actually change 4364 to harmoni= ze the
> standard and reflect that IPv6 support is possible).
>
> Also: When did IETF start optimizing to avoid wasting time on
> non-productive arguments? ;-)
>
> Wes George
>
>
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--089e0112ccea8c30fc050833c05c-- From nobody Wed Nov 19 17:33:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBE91A6FCC; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 17:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RZhkVBfNDuLb; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 17:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015611A6F13; Wed, 19 Nov 2014 17:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BLV14426; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.34) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:33:07 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.14]) by SZXEMA402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:32:56 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: Giles Heron , "Bitar, Nabil N" Thread-Topic: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group Thread-Index: AdABBqrCHQciAXA7Tz2PRuFCKZqwIQClQo9QAAeTdQAAKTWdsA== Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F7A86@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <103101d00106$ae30f520$0a92df60$@olddog.co.uk> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F77CE@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.76.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/s8dQAQw7Rydjbv4DVHFUMnjbrOs Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "bess@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:33:12 -0000 Giles, Thank you for the information. I could not attend the 91st IETF meeting bec= ause of the visa processing delay, thus I had no idea what is the exact nex= t step for this document. I do find draft-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree has been listed in the milestone of PAL= S WG, that's the reason I asked the question. Now we find some editorial updates are needed for this document, not sure w= hether we should revise it now or wait for the end of LC to upload a new ve= rsion. Best regards, Yuanlong -----Original Message----- From: Giles Heron [mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:31 PM To: Jiangyuanlong Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; iesg-secretary@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ietf= .org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group Hi Yuanlong, we've been talking to the PALS and BESS chairs. You should be hearing fro= m them directly depending on which WG your draft ends up in. Where docs have passed WG Last Call already Nabil and I will shepherd them. Are you requesting specifically for draft-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree? I think Nab= il plans to shepherd that one - but I'll leave it to him to comment. Giles On 19 Nov 2014, at 01:57, Jiangyuanlong wrote: > Hi Adrian, >=20 > Do we need to update those existing WG documents to version 00 of PALS or= BESS WG document? >=20 > Regards, > Yuanlong >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:02 AM > To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org > Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org > Subject: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Please close the L2VPN working group. >=20 > Please keep the mailing list open and the archive active. > We may return and close the mailing list in due course, but it is a usefu= l > back-stop for accidental emails and for message that are automatically ge= nerated > by the processing of documents in the pipe. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals From nobody Thu Nov 20 04:14:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD4B1A0262; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:14:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZwchOXO4MFIA; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A34941A0163; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:14:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2754; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1416485673; x=1417695273; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LH9gy1lBl0gzcLrlWzt44Rv0NdRdt9rbF9YwVrGQf+0=; b=m48/6/Dz611oc2xrb8+PYdX8kizDi1EjUDyGjcOoXPl9cZyPb1BHsbj9 A6HMnwuYEmNuoy418KxPT4yrRm5Mduwtkd0SZaZCbAah0ZqLTbwA46d8r Q4z8VoBti/lAiDvojaCA9scNy5WOHzkuzmpqFEdItrpKHnu6tdHHC2yTJ s=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,423,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="245347082" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2014 12:14:31 +0000 Received: from [10.61.170.20] ([10.61.170.20]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAKCEUfL031700; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:14:30 GMT Message-ID: <546DDB27.7000601@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:14:31 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jiangyuanlong , Giles Heron , "Bitar, Nabil N" References: <103101d00106$ae30f520$0a92df60$@olddog.co.uk> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F77CE@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F7A86@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F7A86@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/8vZXBUXWZ5eJm8qZzLw2v0Hp6pA Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:14:36 -0000 I normally recommend waiting to the end of LC before making any changes to the text. That way everyone is talking about the same text. Stewart On 20/11/2014 01:32, Jiangyuanlong wrote: > Giles, > > Thank you for the information. I could not attend the 91st IETF meeting because of the visa processing delay, thus I had no idea what is the exact next step for this document. > I do find draft-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree has been listed in the milestone of PALS WG, that's the reason I asked the question. > > Now we find some editorial updates are needed for this document, not sure whether we should revise it now or wait for the end of LC to upload a new version. > > Best regards, > Yuanlong > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Giles Heron [mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:31 PM > To: Jiangyuanlong > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; iesg-secretary@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group > > Hi Yuanlong, > > we've been talking to the PALS and BESS chairs. You should be hearing from them directly depending on which WG your draft ends up in. > > Where docs have passed WG Last Call already Nabil and I will shepherd them. > > Are you requesting specifically for draft-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree? I think Nabil plans to shepherd that one - but I'll leave it to him to comment. > > Giles > > On 19 Nov 2014, at 01:57, Jiangyuanlong wrote: > >> Hi Adrian, >> >> Do we need to update those existing WG documents to version 00 of PALS or BESS WG document? >> >> Regards, >> Yuanlong >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:02 AM >> To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org >> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org >> Subject: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group >> >> Hi, >> >> Please close the L2VPN working group. >> >> Please keep the mailing list open and the archive active. >> We may return and close the mailing list in due course, but it is a useful >> back-stop for accidental emails and for message that are automatically generated >> by the processing of documents in the pipe. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pals mailing list >> Pals@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pals mailing list >> Pals@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > . > -- For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html From nobody Thu Nov 20 04:18:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F531A0163; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:18:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YFJosbDvXHnb; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C97E61A0151; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 04:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPA15113; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:18:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.40) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:18:29 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.14]) by SZXEMA408-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:18:23 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: "stbryant@cisco.com" , Giles Heron , "Bitar, Nabil N" Thread-Topic: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group Thread-Index: AdABBqrCHQciAXA7Tz2PRuFCKZqwIQClQo9QAAeTdQAAKTWdsAAGaJSAABDNGgA= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:18:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F7BF6@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <103101d00106$ae30f520$0a92df60$@olddog.co.uk> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F77CE@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A7F7A86@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <546DDB27.7000601@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <546DDB27.7000601@cisco.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.76.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/XRhnGGP8ZuC_Go5TXoUdFPUdup4 Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:18:35 -0000 Stewart, I got it, thank a lot.=20 Cheers, Yuanlong -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stbryant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:15 PM To: Jiangyuanlong; Giles Heron; Bitar, Nabil N Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group I normally recommend waiting to the end of LC before making any changes to the text. That way everyone is talking about the same text. Stewart On 20/11/2014 01:32, Jiangyuanlong wrote: > Giles, > > Thank you for the information. I could not attend the 91st IETF meeting b= ecause of the visa processing delay, thus I had no idea what is the exact n= ext step for this document. > I do find draft-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree has been listed in the milestone of P= ALS WG, that's the reason I asked the question. > > Now we find some editorial updates are needed for this document, not sure= whether we should revise it now or wait for the end of LC to upload a new = version. > > Best regards, > Yuanlong > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Giles Heron [mailto:giles.heron@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:31 PM > To: Jiangyuanlong > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; iesg-secretary@ietf.org; l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ie= tf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group > > Hi Yuanlong, > > we've been talking to the PALS and BESS chairs. You should be hearing f= rom them directly depending on which WG your draft ends up in. > > Where docs have passed WG Last Call already Nabil and I will shepherd the= m. > > Are you requesting specifically for draft-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree? I think N= abil plans to shepherd that one - but I'll leave it to him to comment. > > Giles > > On 19 Nov 2014, at 01:57, Jiangyuanlong wrote: > >> Hi Adrian, >> >> Do we need to update those existing WG documents to version 00 of PALS o= r BESS WG document? >> >> Regards, >> Yuanlong >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:02 AM >> To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org >> Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org >> Subject: [Pals] Please close the L2VPN working group >> >> Hi, >> >> Please close the L2VPN working group. >> >> Please keep the mailing list open and the archive active. >> We may return and close the mailing list in due course, but it is a usef= ul >> back-stop for accidental emails and for message that are automatically g= enerated >> by the processing of documents in the pipe. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pals mailing list >> Pals@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pals mailing list >> Pals@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > . > --=20 For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html From nobody Thu Nov 20 13:22:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56601ACE87; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UqWYEBEQuW_3; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287AB1A701F; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:22:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141120212205.6989.76634.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:22:05 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cp7VP7vf76U7ccLEif4mHfcGkZ4 Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:22:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extranet Multicast in BGP/IP MPLS VPNs Authors : Yakov Rekhter Eric C. Rosen Rahul Aggarwal Yiqun Cai Wim Henderickx Thomas Morin Praveen Muley Ray Qiu IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet-00.txt Pages : 59 Date : 2014-11-20 Abstract: Previous RFCs specify the procedures necessary to allow IP multicast traffic to travel from one site to another within a BGP/MPLS IP VPN (Virtual Private Network). However, it is sometimes desirable to allow multicast traffic whose source is in one VPN to be received by systems that are in another VPN. This is known as a "Multicast VPN (MVPN) extranet". This document updates RFCs 6513, 6514, and 6625 by specifying the procedures that are necessary in order to provide MVPN extranet service. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 20 14:37:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8821A8848; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:37:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id owsebhmRVLGi; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E001A8843; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:37:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141120223722.7221.26995.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:37:22 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/KdnJYEFBySz95cMKBxX7gMX5J9k Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-global-table-mcast-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:37:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Global Table Multicast with BGP-MVPN Procedures Authors : Jeffrey Zhang Lenny Giuliano Eric C. Rosen Karthik Subramanian Dante J. Pacella Jason Schiller Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-global-table-mcast-00.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2014-11-20 Abstract: RFC6513, RFC6514, and other RFCs describe protocols and procedures which a Service Provider (SP) may deploy in order offer Multicast Virtual Private Network (Multicast VPN or MVPN) service to its customers. Some of these procedures use BGP to distribute VPN- specific multicast routing information across a backbone network. With a small number of relatively minor modifications, the very same BGP procedures can also be used to distribute multicast routing information that is not specific to any VPN. Multicast that is outside the context of a VPN is known as "Global Table Multicast", or sometimes simply as "Internet multicast". In this document, we describe the modifications that are needed to use the MVPN BGP procedures for Global Table Multicast. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-global-table-mcast/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-global-table-mcast-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Nov 23 06:00:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3091A1B25; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:21:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ITBp7xmPGxOV; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632AC1A1B22; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:21:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: l3vpn-chairs@tools.ietf.org, thomas.morin@rd.francetelecom.com, draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system.all@tools.ietf.org, l3vpn@ietf.org, bess-chair@tools.ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141123092131.6548.55410.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:21:31 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/fo5tx-f4wq8ylaKFgUxyye_ki-g X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 05:59:58 -0800 Subject: [bess] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:21:33 -0000 IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/ From nobody Sun Nov 23 06:00:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B161A1B24 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:35:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsgqI_HQ2pJd; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873CB1A1B23; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:35:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community.all@tools.ietf.org, bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org, thomas.morin@rd.francetelecom.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141123093519.12404.15864.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:35:19 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/pvbkL5ZCo_THFHo_KVcvG-Q8yRg X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 05:59:58 -0800 Subject: [bess] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:35:21 -0000 IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community/ From nobody Sun Nov 23 06:00:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2C31A1B30 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:50:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKSoMtaIZ9nx; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA141A1B2A; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:50:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community.all@tools.ietf.org, bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org, thomas.morin@rd.francetelecom.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141123095011.11876.8949.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 01:50:11 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/rp5LRujYIRu1aT1AH9uTBNfV1es X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 05:59:58 -0800 Subject: [bess] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:50:13 -0000 IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community/ From nobody Mon Nov 24 07:57:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE1C1A6FDF; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U--dp74OJizV; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AA41A6F57; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:56:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20141124155659.10176.14710.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:56:59 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/UdRWjnugpy6jRPTFrp8nz-kR90A Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Last Call: (BGP-signaled end-system IP/VPNs.) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:57:01 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled Services WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'BGP-signaled end-system IP/VPNs.' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-12-08. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. This document contains a normative Downref to RFC 1027 Abstract This document describes a solution in which the control plane protocol specified in BGP/MPLS IP VPNs is used to provide a Virtual Network service to end-systems. These end-systems may be used to provide network services or may directly host end-to-end applications. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Mon Nov 24 07:57:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8681A6FF6; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4F7GhBKYdMqb; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6821A6F57; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: l3vpn-chairs@tools.ietf.org, thomas.morin@rd.francetelecom.com, draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system.all@tools.ietf.org, l3vpn@ietf.org, bess-chair@tools.ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141124155701.10176.39548.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 07:57:01 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/rTWz4X4IEw6EUaHEBeXAAC4uTYA Subject: [bess] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:57:04 -0000 Last call has been made for draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system and state has been changed to In Last Call ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/ From nobody Mon Nov 24 08:13:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7511A70E1; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BqvVEA6EofVp; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C841A701D; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20141124161303.6634.57889.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:03 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/-aTbdGFmhlNje4TS6lGVgOzAMMU Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Last Call: (BGP ACCEPT_OWN Community Attribute) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:13:05 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled Services WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'BGP ACCEPT_OWN Community Attribute' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-12-08. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Under certain conditions it is desirable for a BGP route reflector to be able to modify the Route Target list of a VPN route that is distributed by the route reflector, enabling the route reflector to control how a route originated within one VRF is imported into other VRFs. This technique works effectively as long as the VRF that exports the route is not on the same PE as the VRF(s) that import the route. However, due to the constraints of the BGP protocol, it does not work if the two are on the same PE. This document describes a modification to the BGP protocol allowing this technique to work when the VRFs are on the same PE, allowing the technique to be used in a standard manner throughout an autonomous system. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Mon Nov 24 08:13:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAED1A7021 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cxOw50Az5z48; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A677F1A702E; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community.all@tools.ietf.org, bess-chairs@tools.ietf.org, thomas.morin@rd.francetelecom.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141124161304.6634.22035.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:13:04 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/KKsaMoBRtKN8R6JOs25NPslCyk4 Subject: [bess] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:13:08 -0000 Last call has been made for draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community and state has been changed to In Last Call ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community/ From nobody Mon Nov 24 11:00:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46781A87CE; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:00:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C-lAzYg7CwNh; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C28791A87D0; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id sAOJ0lYr002379; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:00:47 GMT Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id sAOJ0khM002373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:00:47 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:00:44 -0000 Message-ID: <07b001d00818$f3b81830$db284890$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdAIGOrThm05fYOzRd6cYGnyc59QSg== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21128.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--0.720-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--0.720-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: vyt2TS0T8FvZZ7BZ4UeyMOYAh37ZsBDCGSqdEmeD/nVnnK6mXN72m+R7 2ToAkW+w+RePc3nd12bCh5UkBi9iEzbcsMCH+ZLFwCZxkTHxccm2m9vEcm71tZsoi2XrUn/JyeM tMD9QOgDb/umK+fKYY/1UB9A6pTKC3QfwsVk0UbvqwGfCk7KUs0Khau6ujhdMu7YxsGXrJDHpL2 poQWgQTmgOhWN8g2Ue9tLq00a788inyLbqIYI358P9zZjybGuKTVn51J26DC8gSRGZYS1q0EMMp rcbiest Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/Sxk4mRqCzCorSnB-CbgINKzAhmo Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Two minor last call comments on draft-ietf-l3vpn-acceptown-community-08.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:00:54 -0000 Hi, Thanks for this work. In a new revision after last call, please: - Check whether you really need the pre-RFC5378 boilerplate and remove it if possible - Change the word "proposes" to "defines" Thanks, Adrian From nobody Mon Nov 24 11:27:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DB81A8716; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u9hu-vqW3t_q; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09FE21A8708; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id sAOJRDi9002940; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:27:13 GMT Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id sAOJRCxC002923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:27:12 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:27:10 -0000 Message-ID: <07be01d0081c$a4af4200$ee0dc600$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdAIHJynO3+jXSsATjCc8jLasmz/Zw== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21128.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.307-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.307-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: niNZIUnHKUHZZ7BZ4UeyMHBRIrj8R47FUAjrAJWsTe8CsxyhR8y7Cc/k IBS+NhDEsxJ+RzFClMSd1cJ+ghnpuCWvhQBtQUwTu72KpAktHS9A8JZETQujwo5t/XRqktxJwua niM9QXy256cTx4sb1VGM9t0Ri1OZlfPmUQQG69pwX2N9OpwN26I+YVJqrrEz4N2d3n0B/sI8h+B yDknIgCPT/Twd2X1dqTdQXwxyJtjyip6xhGipIWQPRhGX0wT3lej8QyNOlLR2ynk7TnYzMumFwm oC00lhIac16DD67Q7UJtmn+NVQTo8H1IF95UDDc71Wx2uUbPLcfXzVgO0hVquTqs5BN/8M2bX2A zWAMkZzi8zVgXoAltlwtzewu2M63VkVZa47CjvDdB/CxWTRRu25FeHtsUoHuVG2dDLygUouAKLC y8D31qJa9ov52M7KFuLhP1FUKs98chXTZ3Wukbw== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/TuFeagGxe_K-9_XUf69lAjD20r0 Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Last Call Comment draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:27:17 -0000 This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the 10/8 and 192.168/16 Private Use spaces. It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24 Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which looks to me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision after IETF last call. Thanks, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF-Announce [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The > IESG > Sent: 24 November 2014 15:57 > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: bess@ietf.org > Subject: Last Call: (BGP-signaled end- > system IP/VPNs.) to Proposed Standard > > > The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled Services WG (bess) > to consider the following document: > - 'BGP-signaled end-system IP/VPNs.' > as Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-12-08. Exceptionally, comments may be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > This document contains a normative Downref to RFC 1027 > > Abstract > > This document describes a solution in which the control plane > protocol specified in BGP/MPLS IP VPNs is used to provide a Virtual > Network service to end-systems. These end-systems may be used to > provide network services or may directly host end-to-end > applications. > > The file can be obtained via > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/ > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system/ballot/ > > > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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[68.115.154.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w75sm13223823qgd.14.2014.11.24.15.36.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:36:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5473C0ED.3090204@queuefull.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:36:13 -0500 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org References: <07be01d0081c$a4af4200$ee0dc600$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <07be01d0081c$a4af4200$ee0dc600$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010308010604070203000003" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/onkc0nht5239lHpdOpM8pJ4uKGA Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk Subject: Re: [bess] Last Call Comment draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:36:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010308010604070203000003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big ones: First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples and/or XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of http://www.ietf.org/bgp-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn. Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate operational guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to determine the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server JID is a configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is equivalent to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out clearly (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to be any discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can find on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional text about troubleshooting.) Third, the schema offers three different encap types including GRE, UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and UDP options are meant to be MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think the 'label' element provides adequate information for the encapsulation. However I can't find text about how to construct the VXLAN encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over VXLAN, or is the label supposed to map to the VNI? In either case I suspect that you need a reference to something that defines the VXLAN usage of link layer addresses, or the use of the GPE extensions, etc. Perhaps I'm overlooking something in the text, or (even more likely) maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP standards etc. If that's the case then I hope the authors will help me understand. Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development in BESS. Cheers, -Benson > Adrian Farrel > November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM > This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the > 10/8 and > 192.168/16 Private Use spaces. > > It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three > documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24 > > Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which > looks to > me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision > after IETF > last call. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > --------------010308010604070203000003 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------080105000502080200080204" --------------080105000502080200080204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big ones:

First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples and/or XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of http://www.ietf.org/bgp-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn.

Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate operational guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to determine the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server JID is a configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is equivalent to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out clearly (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to be any discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can find on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional text about troubleshooting.)

Third, the schema offers three different encap types including GRE, UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and UDP options are meant to be MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think the 'label' element provides adequate information for the encapsulation. However I can't find text about how to construct the VXLAN encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over VXLAN, or is the label supposed to map to the VNI? In either case I suspect that you need a reference to something that defines the VXLAN usage of link layer addresses, or the use of the GPE extensions, etc.

Perhaps I'm overlooking something in the text, or (even more likely) maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP standards etc. If that's the case then I hope the authors will help me understand.

Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development in BESS.

Cheers,
-Benson


November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM
This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the 10/8 and
192.168/16 Private Use spaces.

It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three
documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24

Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which looks to
me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision after IETF
last call.

Thanks,
Adrian


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(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:00:30 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Benson Schliesser'" References: <07be01d0081c$a4af4200$ee0dc600$@olddog.co.uk> <5473C0ED.3090204@queuefull.net> In-Reply-To: <5473C0ED.3090204@queuefull.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:00:27 -0000 Message-ID: <08f001d00885$e12c6500$a3852f00$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08F1_01D00885.E12F7240" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHGwVkf1qOzMH+0TMaK/FgwsSn+cgFc8bUenHigbtA= Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21128.004 X-TM-AS-Result: No--18.081-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--18.081-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: CxmI61mtwh8zx9GDMr0HvzYTypjB3iDV5nyPyi+0JnPrWE9MGRFs5CA+ gzCkg5nY4TlgzrNaoA0pDJQEcF6IFojQo/Iw2s1SY6Gjtu6/t327aNdZlOh5fEuNdcZDLqeUi7e t6e7ljTCFR0XY3T/PJWZjopFngc7O39V+xWA6tqRPtFVFuufzCxmyTBaqiJvcxSZxKZrfThMziq 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draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:00:38 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08F1_01D00885.E12F7240 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_08F2_01D00885.E12F7240" ------=_NextPart_001_08F2_01D00885.E12F7240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Benson, Thanks for reviewing and commenting. I'm sure the authors will address your points. I'd just like to pick up on the last one... > Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard > publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development > in BESS. The draft went through WG process in L3VPN and was subject to WG last call. There is nothing intrinsically different between processing in BESS and processing in L3VPN. So I read you as saying that the three points you have raised are evidence that more review and development are needed. But it seems to me that the three points you have raised are relatively small and easily addressed (perhaps I will be proven wrong) so can you clarify why you think this work should be sent back to the working group. Thanks, Adrian From: Benson Schliesser [mailto:bensons@queuefull.net] Sent: 24 November 2014 23:36 To: ietf@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk Subject: Re: Last Call Comment draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt In addition to Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big ones: First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples and/or XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of http://www.ietf.org/bgp-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn. Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate operational guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to determine the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server JID is a configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is equivalent to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out clearly (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to be any discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can find on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional text about troubleshooting.) Third, the schema offers three different encap types including GRE, UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and UDP options are meant to be MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think the 'label' element provides adequate information for the encapsulation. However I can't find text about how to construct the VXLAN encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over VXLAN, or is the label supposed to map to the VNI? In either case I suspect that you need a reference to something that defines the VXLAN usage of link layer addresses, or the use of the GPE extensions, etc. Perhaps I'm overlooking something in the text, or (even more likely) maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP standards etc. If that's the case then I hope the authors will help me understand. Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development in BESS. Cheers, -Benson Adrian Farrel November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the 10/8 and 192.168/16 Private Use spaces. It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24 Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which looks to me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision after IETF last call. 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Hi = Benson,

 

Thanks for reviewing and = commenting. I'm sure the authors will address your = points.

 

I'd just like to pick up on = the last one...

 

> Otherwise, I'm not sure = that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard

> publication. I suspect = that it may need further review and development

> in = BESS.

 

The draft went through WG = process in L3VPN and was subject to WG last call. There is nothing = intrinsically different between processing in BESS and processing in = L3VPN.

 

So I read you as saying that = the three points you have raised are evidence that more review and = development are needed. But it seems to me that the three points you = have raised are relatively small and easily addressed (perhaps I will be = proven wrong) so can you clarify why you think this work should be sent = back to the working group.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: = Benson Schliesser [mailto:bensons@queuefull.net]
Sent: 24 = November 2014 23:36
To: ietf@ietf.org; = bess@ietf.org
Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk
Subject: Re: = Last Call Comment = draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt

 

In addition to = Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in = draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big = ones:

First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples = and/or XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of http://www.ietf.org/bg= p-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn<= /a>.

Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate = operational guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to = determine the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server = JID is a configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is = equivalent to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out = clearly (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to = be any discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can = find on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are = implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional text = about troubleshooting.)

Third, the schema offers three different = encap types including GRE, UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and = UDP options are meant to be MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think = the 'label' element provides adequate information for the encapsulation. = However I can't find text about how to construct the VXLAN = encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over VXLAN, or is the label supposed to = map to the VNI? In either case I suspect that you need a reference to = something that defines the VXLAN usage of link layer addresses, or the = use of the GPE extensions, etc.

Perhaps I'm overlooking something = in the text, or (even more likely) maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP = standards etc. If that's the case then I hope the authors will help me = understand.

Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for = Proposed Standard publication. I suspect that it may need further review = and development in BESS.

Cheers,
-Benson



November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM

This = document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the 10/8 = and
192.168/16 Private Use spaces.

It would be far better if = the document used addresses from the three
documentation/test spaces = 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24

Unless you can provide = a strong reason not to make this change (which looks to
me like it = would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision after = IETF
last = call.

Thanks,
Adrian

 

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Best, -Thomas From nobody Tue Nov 25 01:21:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C838C1A0081 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:21:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UXKPxq6BWNPp for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C62B01A007C for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPE76654; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:21:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:21:34 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.193]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:21:30 +0800 From: Haoweiguo To: "bess@ietf.org" , "sajassi@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Thread-Index: AdAIkPxbbike4AnoRoyPect4oT/tcA== Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:21:29 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.23.94] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F431nkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/3NENhF67QlRNmw7jDGzxiin8D2M Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:21:39 -0000 --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F431nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ali and other Co-authors, In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. T= wo BGP Extended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first com= munity carries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal= case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact. So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows: 1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type-2. 2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID. 3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subnet IP = traffic forwarding. Maybe there are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-au= thors opinion on this point. Thanks weiguo --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F431nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ali and other Co-authors,

 

In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is= used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. Two BGP Extended Communities are carrie= d with each RT-2 route. The first community carries tunnel type, the second= community carries NVE MAC. In normal case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact.
So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows:=

1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type= -2.
2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID.
3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subne= t IP traffic forwarding.

 

Maybe there are other more compact met= hods. I would like to hear your co-authors opinion on this point.


Thanks


weiguo

--_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F431nkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 03:02:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCAD1A00C0 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:02:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acZwMHB6-rTp for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42B2E1A00B9 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 37259356F1D2; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:02:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id sAPB2JbN011073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:02:42 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.219]) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.112]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:02:26 +0100 From: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" To: Haoweiguo , "bess@ietf.org" , "sajassi@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Thread-Index: AQHQCJ9L0ixxt+ZqHkGcmnxIjcOU3g== Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:02:25 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.40] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D09A202210CE3Cwimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/kHl8qzJ_Z9hzVxrJ4YHJ0BtiW2c Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:02:50 -0000 --_000_D09A202210CE3Cwimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reason we did this is providing the most flexibility because depending = on the use case you need one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flex= ibility. From: Haoweiguo > Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21 To: "bess@ietf.org" >, sajassi > Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Ali and other Co-authors, In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. T= wo BGP Extended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first com= munity carries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal= case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact. So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows: 1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type-2. 2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID. 3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subnet IP = traffic forwarding. Maybe there are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-au= thors opinion on this point. Thanks weiguo --_000_D09A202210CE3Cwimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The reason we did this is providing the most flexibility because depen= ding on the use case you need one and not the other. Hence we optimised for= flexibility.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:2= 1
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@i= etf.org>, sajassi <sajassi@c= isco.com>
Subject: [bess] A comment and quest= ion for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00&quo= t;

Hi Ali and other Co-authors,

 

In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is= used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. Two BGP Extended Communities are carrie= d with each RT-2 route. The first community carries tunnel type, the second= community carries NVE MAC. In normal case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact.
So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows:=

1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type= -2.
2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID.
3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subne= t IP traffic forwarding.

 

Maybe there are other more compact met= hods. I would like to hear your co-authors opinion on this point.


Thanks


weiguo

 --_000_D09A202210CE3Cwimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_-- From nobody Tue Nov 25 05:02:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C174D1A0271 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 05:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vk3rd8iqc_cV for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 05:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7EB61A026F for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 05:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPF03197; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:02:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.36) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:01:49 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.193]) by nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:01:46 +0800 From: Haoweiguo To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" , "bess@ietf.org" , "sajassi@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Thread-Index: AQHQCJ9L0ixxt+ZqHkGcmnxIjcOU3pxxSvP+ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:01:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.23.94] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F4AFnkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/pmrp0oqqrA5kZz529kjpCbyU-Ss Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:02:45 -0000 --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F4AFnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wim, Yes, the design has flexibility. But for most scenarios, we don't need this= flexibility, we want to more compact encoding method. If all MAC routes ad= vertised from a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunnel type, the two BGP = Extended Communities carried with each MAC route is redundant, egress NVE o= nly needs advertise its NVE MAC and tunnel type only once. I think we had better provide two alternative solutions, one is for flexibi= lity, another one is for compactness. Depending on different scenarios, the= vendors can choose one for implementation. Thanks weiguo ________________________________ From: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 19:02 To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" The reason we did this is providing the most flexibility because depending = on the use case you need one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flex= ibility. From: Haoweiguo > Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21 To: "bess@ietf.org" >, sajassi > Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Ali and other Co-authors, In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. T= wo BGP Extended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first com= munity carries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal= case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact. So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows: 1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type-2. 2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID. 3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subnet IP = traffic forwarding. Maybe there are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-au= thors opinion on this point. Thanks weiguo --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F4AFnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Wim,

Yes, the design has flexibility. But for most scenarios= , we don't need this flexibility, we want to more compact encoding method. = If all MAC routes advertised from a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunne= l type, the two BGP Extended Communities carried with each MAC route is redundant, egress NVE only needs advertise = its NVE MAC and tunnel type only once.

I think we had better provide two alternative solutions= , one is for flexibility, another one is for compactness. Depending on diff= erent scenarios, the vendors can choose one for implementation.

Thanks

weiguo

From: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderick= x@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 19:02
To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

The reason we did this is providing the most flexibility because depen= ding on the use case you need one and not the other. Hence we optimised for= flexibility.

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com> Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:= 21
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com> Subject: [bess] A comment and ques= tion for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00&qu= ot;

Hi Ali and other Co-authors,

 

In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is= used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. Two BGP Extended Communities are carrie= d with each RT-2 route. The first community carries tunnel type, the second= community carries NVE MAC. In normal case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact.
So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows:=

1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type= -2.
2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID.
3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subne= t IP traffic forwarding.

 

Maybe there are other more compact met= hods. I would like to hear your co-authors opinion on this point.


Thanks


weiguo

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SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0b3c5822c1a249a0b092d337ab4f92cdBLUPR05MB562namprd05pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/PiWI9Jntfx2LSlDHsrQ8fCKoMU4 Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:42:31 -0000 --_000_0b3c5822c1a249a0b092d337ab4f92cdBLUPR05MB562namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think this suggestion is ill-considered. We don't want two alternative s= olutions. Yours Irrespectively, John From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:02 AM To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim); bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Wim, Yes, the design has flexibility. But for most scenarios, we don't need this= flexibility, we want to more compact encoding method. If all MAC routes ad= vertised from a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunnel type, the two BGP = Extended Communities carried with each MAC route is redundant, egress NVE o= nly needs advertise its NVE MAC and tunnel type only once. I think we had better provide two alternative solutions, one is for flexibi= lity, another one is for compactness. Depending on different scenarios, the= vendors can choose one for implementation. Thanks weiguo ________________________________ From: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 19:02 To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" The reason we did this is providing the most flexibility because depending = on the use case you need one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flex= ibility. From: Haoweiguo > Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21 To: "bess@ietf.org" >, sajassi > Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Ali and other Co-authors, In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. T= wo BGP Extended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first com= munity carries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal= case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact. So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows: 1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type-2. 2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID. 3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subnet IP = traffic forwarding. Maybe there are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-au= thors opinion on this point. Thanks weiguo --_000_0b3c5822c1a249a0b092d337ab4f92cdBLUPR05MB562namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I think this suggestion is ill-consid= ered.  We don’t want two alternative solutions.

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf= .org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:02 AM
To: Henderickx, Wim (Wim); bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 

Hi= Wim,

Ye= s, the design has flexibility. But for most scenarios, we don't need this f= lexibility, we want to more compact encoding method. If all MAC routes adve= rtised from a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunnel type, the two BGP Extended Communities carried with each MAC ro= ute is redundant, egress NVE only needs advertise its NVE MAC and tunnel ty= pe only once.

I = think we had better provide two alternative solutions, one is for flexibili= ty, another one is for compactness. Depending on different scenarios, the v= endors can choose one for implementation.

Th= anks

we= iguo

From:<= /span> Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent= .com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 19:02
To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; <= a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com"> sajassi@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

The reason we did this i= s providing the most flexibility because depending on the use case you need= one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flexibility.

 =

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>, sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-iet= f-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 =

H= i Ali and other Co-authors,

 

I= n the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. Tw= o BGP Extended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first comm= unity carries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share s= ame NVE MAC, so in this case the Route information encoding isn't compact.<= br> So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows:=

1= . Add tunnel type field in Route Type-2.
2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID.
3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subne= t IP traffic forwarding.

 

M= aybe there are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-aut= hors opinion on this point.

<= br> Thanks

<= br> weiguo

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boundary="_000_D09A6C8610D062wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/8zQ0aQ-UgbKMF70mQGBMvTJXpUA Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:34:48 -0000 --_000_D09A6C8610D062wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed we don=92t need 2 solutions and what we have documented in the draft= is efficient and flexible. From: John E Drake > Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 16:43 To: Jorge Rabadan >, Haoweiguo >, Wim Henderickx >, "bess@ietf.org" >, sajassi > Subject: RE: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Precisely. Yours Irrespectively, John From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rabadan, Jorge (Jorg= e) Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:41 AM To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); bess@ietf.org; = sajassi@cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Weiguo, If all the mac routes share the same NVE MAC and tunnel type for the same t= enant, you can pack all those routes into a single bgp update. You don=92t = need a separate extended community per route. It is actually a very efficient solution. Thank you. Jorge From: Haoweiguo > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 at 5:01 AM To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" >, "bess@ietf.org" >, "sajassi@cisco.com" > Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Wim, Yes, the design has flexibility. But for most scenarios, we don't need this= flexibility, we want to more compact encoding method. If all MAC routes ad= vertised from a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunnel type, the two BGP = Extended Communities carried with each MAC route is redundant, egress NVE o= nly needs advertise its NVE MAC and tunnel type only once. I think we had better provide two alternative solutions, one is for flexibi= lity, another one is for compactness. Depending on different scenarios, the= vendors can choose one for implementation. Thanks weiguo ________________________________ From: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 19:02 To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" The reason we did this is providing the most flexibility because depending = on the use case you need one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flex= ibility. From: Haoweiguo > Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21 To: "bess@ietf.org" >, sajassi > Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Ali and other Co-authors, In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. T= wo BGP Extended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first com= munity carries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal= case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact. So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows: 1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type-2. 2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID. 3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subnet IP = traffic forwarding. Maybe there are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-au= thors opinion on this point. Thanks weiguo --_000_D09A6C8610D062wimhenderickxalcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <0ABEAD60B21384409A4AB0935A145059@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Indeed we don=92t need 2 solutions and what we have documented in the = draft is efficient and flexible. 

From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 16:4= 3
To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alcatel-lucent.com= >, Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawe= i.com>, Wim Henderickx <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: [bess] A comment and q= uestion for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00= "

Precisely.

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

From: BESS [m= ailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:41 AM
To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 

Hi Weiguo,

 

If all the mac routes share the same NVE MAC a= nd tunnel type for the same tenant, you can pack all those routes into a si= ngle bgp update. You don=92t need a separate extended community per route.

It is actually a very efficient solution.=

 

Thank you.

Jorge

 

From: Haoweiguo <haow= eiguo@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 at 5:01 AM
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com>, "= ;bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, "sajassi@cisco.com" <sajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 

Hi Wim,

Yes, the = design has flexibility. But for most scenarios, we don't need this flexibil= ity, we want to more compact encoding method. If all MAC routes advertised = from a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunnel type, the two BGP Extended Communities carried with each MAC ro= ute is redundant, egress NVE only needs advertise its NVE MAC and tunnel ty= pe only once.

I think w= e had better provide two alternative solutions, one is for flexibility, ano= ther one is for compactness. Depending on different scenarios, the vendors = can choose one for implementation.

Thanks

weiguo

From:<= /b> Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 19:02
To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; <= a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com"> sajassi@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

The reason we did this i= s providing the most flexibility because depending on the use case you need= one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flexibility.

 =

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>, sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-iet= f-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 =

Hi Ali a= nd other Co-authors,

 

In the E= VPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. Two BGP E= xtended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first community c= arries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share s= ame NVE MAC, so in this case the Route information encoding isn't compact.<= br> So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows:=

1. Add t= unnel type field in Route Type-2.
2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID.
3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subne= t IP traffic forwarding.

 

Maybe th= ere are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-authors op= inion on this point.


Thanks


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[68.115.154.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q4sm1771966qam.7.2014.11.25.10.26.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5474C9B6.1050607@queuefull.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:25:58 -0500 From: Benson Schliesser User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk References: <07be01d0081c$a4af4200$ee0dc600$@olddog.co.uk> <5473C0ED.3090204@queuefull.net> <08f001d00885$e12c6500$a3852f00$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <08f001d00885$e12c6500$a3852f00$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070203090308090703000508" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/-YdHzgVE505lS9SHRMcYPh0jOD4 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Last Call Comment draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:27:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070203090308090703000508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Adrian - Of course it's possible that I'm wrong - in fact, it would be great if that turns out to be the case. But my suspicion is that it will take material updates (not just editorial) to fix at least one of the issues that I described in my review. And, in-line with some of the feedback that I heard during the plenary at IETF-91, I am biased toward having WGs review material changes, etc. Here are my views of the severity of changes for each of the three topics that I raised: Simple: I agree that it should be relatively straight-forward to fix the namespace issue. While I'm not intimately familiar with it, I think that RFC 3688 describes how the appropriate namespace can be assigned. I'm comfortable describing this as editorial rather than material. Somewhat more material: It may also be straight-forward to fix the VXLAN encapsulation issue, either by removing the VXLAN option from the schema, or by making reference to another document that describes the procedure. I can imagine at least a couple ways that such encapsulation might be done. However I'm not aware of the existence of such a document, which means it probably needs to be developed. And it seems to me that the 'label' element in the end-system schema might be inadequate information for such an encapsulation procedure. Probably very material: The draft really needs some kind of text around the various issues I included in the "Second" issue paragraph, in my previous message. Specifically, there needs to be some text about assignment of route-server JIDs. This should include some explanation about how route-server JIDs relate to the redundancy scheme that's sketched out in the draft. This should also include some kind of error handling discussion around incorrect JIDs being used in messages, etc. Much of the preceding also applies to pubsub 'node' values, with an emphasis on the error handling issues. It is possible that the authors have an editorial solution to this, which would avoid material changes to the draft text, but my limited imagination can't picture what that might look like. As I said above, I would be happy to be wrong about the severity of these changes. But my suspicion is that they are somewhat material additions / changes to the draft text. Cheers, -Benson > Adrian Farrel > November 25, 2014 at 3:00 AM > > Hi Benson, > > Thanks for reviewing and commenting. I'm sure the authors will address > your points. > > I'd just like to pick up on the last one... > > > Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard > > > publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development > > > in BESS. > > The draft went through WG process in L3VPN and was subject to WG last > call. There is nothing intrinsically different between processing in > BESS and processing in L3VPN. > > So I read you as saying that the three points you have raised are > evidence that more review and development are needed. But it seems to > me that the three points you have raised are relatively small and > easily addressed (perhaps I will be proven wrong) so can you clarify > why you think this work should be sent back to the working group. > > Thanks, > > Adrian > > *From:*Benson Schliesser [mailto:bensons@queuefull.net] > *Sent:* 24 November 2014 23:36 > *To:* ietf@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org > *Cc:* adrian@olddog.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: Last Call Comment draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt > > In addition to Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in > draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big ones: > > First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples and/or > XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of > http://www.ietf.org/bgp-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use > http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn. > > Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate operational > guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to determine > the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server JID is a > configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is equivalent > to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out clearly > (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to be any > discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can find > on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are > implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional > text about troubleshooting.) > > Third, the schema offers three different encap types including GRE, > UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and UDP options are meant to be > MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think the 'label' element provides > adequate information for the encapsulation. However I can't find text > about how to construct the VXLAN encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over > VXLAN, or is the label supposed to map to the VNI? In either case I > suspect that you need a reference to something that defines the VXLAN > usage of link layer addresses, or the use of the GPE extensions, etc. > > Perhaps I'm overlooking something in the text, or (even more likely) > maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP standards etc. If that's the case > then I hope the authors will help me understand. > > Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard > publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development > in BESS. > > Cheers, > -Benson > > > > *Adrian Farrel* > > November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM > > This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the > 10/8 and > 192.168/16 Private Use spaces. > > It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three > documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24 > > Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which > looks to > me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision > after IETF > last call. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > Benson Schliesser > November 24, 2014 at 6:36 PM > In addition to Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in > draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big ones: > > First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples and/or > XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of > http://www.ietf.org/bgp-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use > http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn. > > Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate operational > guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to determine > the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server JID is a > configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is equivalent > to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out clearly > (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to be any > discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can find > on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are > implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional > text about troubleshooting.) > > Third, the schema offers three different encap types including GRE, > UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and UDP options are meant to be > MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think the 'label' element provides > adequate information for the encapsulation. However I can't find text > about how to construct the VXLAN encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over > VXLAN, or is the label supposed to map to the VNI? In either case I > suspect that you need a reference to something that defines the VXLAN > usage of link layer addresses, or the use of the GPE extensions, etc. > > Perhaps I'm overlooking something in the text, or (even more likely) > maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP standards etc. If that's the case > then I hope the authors will help me understand. > > Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard > publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development > in BESS. > > Cheers, > -Benson > > > Adrian Farrel > November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM > This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the > 10/8 and > 192.168/16 Private Use spaces. > > It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three > documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24 > > Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which > looks to > me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision > after IETF > last call. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > --------------070203090308090703000508 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------070903090301010803030904" --------------070903090301010803030904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Adrian -

Of course it's possible that I'm wrong - in fact, it would be great if that turns out to be the case. But my suspicion is that it will take material updates (not just editorial) to fix at least one of the issues that I described in my review. And, in-line with some of the feedback that I heard during the plenary at IETF-91, I am biased toward having WGs review material changes, etc.

Here are my views of the severity of changes for each of the three topics that I raised:

Simple: I agree that it should be relatively straight-forward to fix the namespace issue. While I'm not intimately familiar with it, I think that RFC 3688 describes how the appropriate namespace can be assigned. I'm comfortable describing this as editorial rather than material.

Somewhat more material: It may also be straight-forward to fix the VXLAN encapsulation issue, either by removing the VXLAN option from the schema, or by making reference to another document that describes the procedure. I can imagine at least a couple ways that such encapsulation might be done. However I'm not aware of the existence of such a document, which means it probably needs to be developed. And it seems to me that the 'label' element in the end-system schema might be inadequate information for such an encapsulation procedure.

Probably very material: The draft really needs some kind of text around the various issues I included in the "Second" issue paragraph, in my previous message. Specifically, there needs to be some text about assignment of route-server JIDs. This should include some explanation about how route-server JIDs relate to the redundancy scheme that's sketched out in the draft. This should also include some kind of error handling discussion around incorrect JIDs being used in messages, etc. Much of the preceding also applies to pubsub 'node' values, with an emphasis on the error handling issues. It is possible that the authors have an editorial solution to this, which would avoid material changes to the draft text, but my limited imagination can't picture what that might look like.

As I said above, I would be happy to be wrong about the severity of these changes. But my suspicion is that they are somewhat material additions / changes to the draft text.

Cheers,
-Benson


November 25, 2014 at 3:00 AM

Hi Benson,

 

Thanks for reviewing and commenting. I'm sure the authors will address your points.

 

I'd just like to pick up on the last one...

 

> Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard

> publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development

> in BESS.

 

The draft went through WG process in L3VPN and was subject to WG last call. There is nothing intrinsically different between processing in BESS and processing in L3VPN.

 

So I read you as saying that the three points you have raised are evidence that more review and development are needed. But it seems to me that the three points you have raised are relatively small and easily addressed (perhaps I will be proven wrong) so can you clarify why you think this work should be sent back to the working group.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: Benson Schliesser [mailto:bensons@queuefull.net]
Sent: 24 November 2014 23:36
To: ietf@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk
Subject: Re: Last Call Comment draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04.txt

 

In addition to Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big ones:

First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples and/or XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of http://www.ietf.org/bgp-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn.

Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate operational guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to determine the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server JID is a configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is equivalent to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out clearly (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to be any discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can find on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional text about troubleshooting.)

Third, the schema offers three different encap types including GRE, UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and UDP options are meant to be MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think the 'label' element provides adequate information for the encapsulation. However I can't find text about how to construct the VXLAN encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over VXLAN, or is the label supposed to map to the VNI? In either case I suspect that you need a reference to something that defines the VXLAN usage of link layer addresses, or the use of the GPE extensions, etc.

Perhaps I'm overlooking something in the text, or (even more likely) maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP standards etc. If that's the case then I hope the authors will help me understand.

Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development in BESS.

Cheers,
-Benson



November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM

This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the 10/8 and
192.168/16 Private Use spaces.

It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three
documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24

Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which looks to
me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision after IETF
last call.

Thanks,
Adrian

 

November 24, 2014 at 6:36 PM
In addition to Adrian's comment, I'm confused by a number of things in draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-04. Just picking on the big ones:

First, I think there might be a mistake in the XML examples and/or XSD. The schema in section 11 defines a target namespace of http://www.ietf.org/bgp-l3vpn-unicast.xsd but the examples use http://ietf.org/protocol/bgpvpn.

Second, the document doesn't seem to provide adequate operational guidance on how to determine the route server JID, how to determine the correct pubsub node values, etc. I assume that the server JID is a configurable option. And I assume that the pubsub node is equivalent to the 128 octet VPN ID. But neither seems to be spelled out clearly (unless I'm overlooking it) and in any case there don't seem to be any discussions of error handling. (In fact, the only comment I can find on the 'node' value suggests vaguely that perhaps all values are implicitly correct, in which case there needs to be some additional text about troubleshooting.)

Third, the schema offers three different encap types including GRE, UDP, and VXLAN. I believe that the GRE and UDP options are meant to be MPLS in {GRE, UDP} in which cases I think the 'label' element provides adequate information for the encapsulation. However I can't find text about how to construct the VXLAN encapsulation. Is it also MPLS over VXLAN, or is the label supposed to map to the VNI? In either case I suspect that you need a reference to something that defines the VXLAN usage of link layer addresses, or the use of the GPE extensions, etc.

Perhaps I'm overlooking something in the text, or (even more likely) maybe I'm just too ignorant of XMPP standards etc. If that's the case then I hope the authors will help me understand.

Otherwise, I'm not sure that this draft is ready for Proposed Standard publication. I suspect that it may need further review and development in BESS.

Cheers,
-Benson


November 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM
This document contains a worked example using IP addresses from the 10/8 and
192.168/16 Private Use spaces.

It would be far better if the document used addresses from the three
documentation/test spaces 192.0.2/24 198.51.100/24 and 203.0.113/24

Unless you can provide a strong reason not to make this change (which looks to
me like it would be a simple matter), please do so in a new revision after IETF
last call.

Thanks,
Adrian


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Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:21:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aC7la5E4hXCL; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A20C1A6EED; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:21:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141125192138.12761.49780.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:21:38 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/nbn3Zi_fSlIKpHon5asSDsYgikY Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-08.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:21:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Encoding mLDP FECs in the NLRI of BGP MCAST-VPN Routes Authors : IJsbrand Wijnands Eric C. Rosen Uwe Joorde Filename : draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-08.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2014-11-25 Abstract: Many service providers offer "BGP/MPLS IP VPN" service to their customers. Existing IETF standards specify the procedures and protocols that a service provider uses in order to offer this service to customers who have IP unicast and IP multicast traffic in their VPNs. It is also desirable to be able to support customers who have MPLS multicast traffic in their VPNs. This document specifies the procedures and protocol extensions that are needed to support customers who use the Multicast Extensions to Label Distribution Protocol (mLDP) as the control protocol for their MPLS multicast traffic. Existing standards do provide some support for customers who use mLDP, but only under a restrictive set of circumstances. This document generalizes the existing support to include all cases where the customer uses mLDP, without any restrictions. This document updates RFC 6514. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Nov 25 11:35:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA711ACE00; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v6z0rtg2Ixou; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F5A1ACC84; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:33:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141125193308.804.18779.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:33:08 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/V1qCke8JwtpDevr-DbTcerBQnV8 Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-09.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:33:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Encoding mLDP FECs in the NLRI of BGP MCAST-VPN Routes Authors : IJsbrand Wijnands Eric C. Rosen Uwe Joorde Filename : draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-09.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2014-11-25 Abstract: Many service providers offer "BGP/MPLS IP VPN" service to their customers. Existing IETF standards specify the procedures and protocols that a service provider uses in order to offer this service to customers who have IP unicast and IP multicast traffic in their VPNs. It is also desirable to be able to support customers who have MPLS multicast traffic in their VPNs. This document specifies the procedures and protocol extensions that are needed to support customers who use the Multicast Extensions to Label Distribution Protocol (mLDP) as the control protocol for their MPLS multicast traffic. Existing standards do provide some support for customers who use mLDP, but only under a restrictive set of circumstances. This document generalizes the existing support to include all cases where the customer uses mLDP, without any restrictions. This document updates RFC 6514. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-mldp-nlri-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Nov 25 19:45:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4EA1A879F for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:45:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YtrUGxBWDNPM for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 261041A878E for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPF65513; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.38) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:45:20 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.193]) by nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:45:15 +0800 From: Haoweiguo To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" , John E Drake , "Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)" , "bess@ietf.org" , "sajassi@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Thread-Index: AQHQCJ9L0ixxt+ZqHkGcmnxIjcOU3pxxSvP+//+ItACAAKghgIAADjkAgAC5Nds= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.23.94] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F5D9nkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/oEMhjhG3xrPz4qN31r8F9C4Aq50 Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:45:27 -0000 --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F5D9nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joege, Wim and John, Thanks for your response. I agree with you, no need to support two encoding= solutions. Yes, if multiple mac routes share same NVE MAC and tunnel type,= we can pack these routes into a single BGP update message with a extended = community, encoding format is comparatively efficient. Thanks weiguo ________________________________ From: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.= henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 0:34 To: John E Drake; Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge); Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; sajassi= @cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Indeed we don=92t need 2 solutions and what we have documented in the draft= is efficient and flexible. From: John E Drake > Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 16:43 To: Jorge Rabadan >, Haoweiguo >, Wim Henderickx >, "bess@ietf.org" >, sajassi > Subject: RE: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Precisely. Yours Irrespectively, John From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rabadan, Jorge (Jorg= e) Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:41 AM To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); bess@ietf.org; = sajassi@cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Weiguo, If all the mac routes share the same NVE MAC and tunnel type for the same t= enant, you can pack all those routes into a single bgp update. You don=92t = need a separate extended community per route. It is actually a very efficient solution. Thank you. Jorge From: Haoweiguo > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 at 5:01 AM To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" >, "bess@ietf.org" >, "sajassi@cisco.com" > Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Wim, Yes, the design has flexibility. But for most scenarios, we don't need this= flexibility, we want to more compact encoding method. If all MAC routes ad= vertised from a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunnel type, the two BGP = Extended Communities carried with each MAC route is redundant, egress NVE o= nly needs advertise its NVE MAC and tunnel type only once. I think we had better provide two alternative solutions, one is for flexibi= lity, another one is for compactness. Depending on different scenarios, the= vendors can choose one for implementation. Thanks weiguo ________________________________ From: Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 19:02 To: Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; sajassi@cisco.com Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00" The reason we did this is providing the most flexibility because depending = on the use case you need one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flex= ibility. From: Haoweiguo > Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21 To: "bess@ietf.org" >, sajassi > Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= inter-subnet-forwarding-00" Hi Ali and other Co-authors, In the EVPN IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. T= wo BGP Extended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first com= munity carries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal= case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share same NVE MAC, so in this cas= e the Route information encoding isn't compact. So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows: 1. Add tunnel type field in Route Type-2. 2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID. 3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subnet IP = traffic forwarding. Maybe there are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-au= thors opinion on this point. Thanks weiguo --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F81F5D9nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Joege, Wim and John,

Thanks for your response. I agree with you, no need to = support two encoding solutions. Yes, if multiple mac routes share same NVE = MAC and tunnel type, we can pack these routes into a single BGP update mess= age with a extended community, encoding format is comparatively efficient.

Thanks

weiguo

From: BESS [bess-bounces@ietf.org] on beha= lf of Henderickx, Wim (Wim) [wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 0:34
To: John E Drake; Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge); Haoweiguo; bess@ietf.org; = sajassi@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

Indeed we don=92t need 2 solutions and what we have documented in the = draft is efficient and flexible. 

From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 16:= 43
To: Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@alc= atel-lucent.com>, Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com>, Wim Henderickx <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, sajassi <sajassi@cisco.c= om>
Subject: RE: [bess] A comment and = question for the draft "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-0= 0"

Precisely.

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rabadan, Jorge (Jorge)
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:41 AM
To: Haoweiguo; Henderickx, Wim (Wim); bess@ietf.org; s= ajassi@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 

Hi Weiguo,

 

If all the mac routes share the same NVE MAC and= tunnel type for the same tenant, you can pack all those routes into a sing= le bgp update. You don=92t need a separate extended community per route.

It is actually a very efficient solution.=

 

Thank you.

Jorge

 

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 at 5:01 AM
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.= com>, "bess@= ietf.org" <b= ess@ietf.org>, "sajassi@cisco= .com" <s= ajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 

Hi Wim,

Yes, the de= sign has flexibility. But for most scenarios, we don't need this flexibilit= y, we want to more compact encoding method. If all MAC routes advertised fr= om a egress NVE share same NVE MAC and tunnel type, the two BGP Extended Communities carried with each MAC ro= ute is redundant, egress NVE only needs advertise its NVE MAC and tunnel ty= pe only once.

I think we = had better provide two alternative solutions, one is for flexibility, anoth= er one is for compactness. Depending on different scenarios, the vendors ca= n choose one for implementation.

Thanks

weiguo

The reason we did this = is providing the most flexibility because depending on the use case you nee= d one and not the other. Hence we optimised for flexibility.

 

From: Haoweiguo <haoweiguo@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday 25 November 2014 10:21
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>, sajassi <sajassi@cisco.com>
Subject: [bess] A comment and question for the draft "draft-iet= f-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-00"

 

Hi Ali and= other Co-authors,

 

In the EVP= N IRB draft, Route Type-2 is used to advertise TS's MAC and IP. Two BGP Ext= ended Communities are carried with each RT-2 route. The first community car= ries tunnel type, the second community carries NVE MAC. In normal case, all RT-2 routes from a remote NVE share s= ame NVE MAC, so in this case the Route information encoding isn't compact.<= br> So a new compact encoding method is introduced as follows:=

1. Add tun= nel type field in Route Type-2.
2. Introduce a new Route Type to exclusively advertise tunnel type,NVE MAC = and L3 VN ID.
3. Ingress NVEs correlate the new Type Route and RT-2 routes advertised fro= m egress NVE to get the NVO3 encapsulation information for inter-subne= t IP traffic forwarding.

 

Maybe ther= e are other more compact methods. I would like to hear your co-authors opin= ion on this point.


Thanks


weiguo

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