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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 12/28/2017 1:55 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Ok let's start all over :) From the draft: The SRv6 VPN SID MAY be routable within the AS of the egress-PE and   serves the dual purpose of providing reachability between ingress-PE   and egress-PE while also encoding the VPN identifier. I took this to mean that  a single IPv6 address could cause the backbone to forward the packet to the egress-PE and cause the egress-PE to look up the payload's IP address in a VRF which is identified by that same IPv6 address.  Did I misunderstand that? > **** This suggests that an IPv6 address has to be assigned to each > VRF (for > **** per-VRF "labeling"), or even to each CE (for per-CE labeling). > > > ​No one suggests that. VPN SID is not IPv6 address .. it is part of v6 > SID which when appended to IPv6 prefix forms a complete SRv6 SID. > Semantics does matter here. ​ Given the above quote from the draft, I'm not sure what is wrong with what I said. > > **** If those addresses are routable, doesn't this create a > security issue > **** as discussed in RFC 4023 Section 8.2? > > > ​PE's loopback address say /64 being routable causes any security risk ? ​ Please see the reference. > > **** The phrase "only has local significance" suggests that these > SIDs are > **** not routable. But later on there is a suggestion that they are > **** routable, or at least that they might be. > > > ​Again SIDs are not routable and they have only local significance - > true. ​They are prepended to say loopback address to form IPv6 SID. > > **** So there are a number of options: > **** - not routable > **** - globally routable > **** - routable only within egress AS > > > ​This is referring to routability of SID ... not right. SID does not > need to be routable. What prefix they are part of may be routable. ​​ Just replace my use of the term "SID" with the longer term "the IPv6 address of which the SID is a part". > >    and the BGP ingress device receiving this route >    MAY choose to encapsulate or insert an SRv6 SRH, second it > indicates >    the value of the SID to include in the SRH encapsulation.  For > L3VPN, >    only a single SRv6-VPN SID MAY be necessary. > > **** I don't understand the phrase "only a single SRv6-VPN SID MAY be > **** necessary". > > > ​Analogy to basic L3VPN when you have VPN label and underlay LDP label. ​ Still don't understand what is being said. > > >    If the BGP speaker supports MPLS based >    L3VPN simultaneously, it MAY also populate the Label values in > L3VPN >    route types and allow the BGP ingress device to decide which >    encapsulation to use.  If the BGP speaker does not support MPLS > based >    L3VPN services the MPLS Labels in L3VPN route types MUST be set to >    IMPLICIT-NULL. > > **** Please provide a reference that specifies how you set the > Label field > **** of a SAFI-4 or SAFI-128 route to "implicit null".  I don't > recall any > **** such thing existing in RFC 3107, 4364, or 8277. > > > > ​4364 does not restrict what value of VPN label is used - does it ? I > think this draft now right here defines ​how to read implicit-null > being placed there :) It's not my idea though - so I will let real > inventors to comment on it more. > > **** If you mean "set to three" (the value defined in RFC 3032 to > represent > **** "implicit null"), I don't think the SAFI-4/SAFI-128 > implementations > **** generally interpret the value three in that manner. > > > ​As mentioned I think it just is being defined here and now. ​ I didn't see any mention of the numeric value to put in the label field of the NLRI. > or to define a new special or reserved label ​for that embedded > signalling. Some discussion of why this won't cause any backwards compatibility problems would be appropriate. > > > **** I'm not really sure what you're trying to do here. There are > at least > **** four cases to consider: > > **** 1. For the case where the backbone doesn't have MPLS, there > is no harm > **** in saying "set the label to zero". > > > ​Really ? ​What does the backbone having or not having MPLS has to do > with this ? Underlay forwarding does not matter and this is what I > read as "backbone". What I meant is that if it is known a priori that SRv6 is being used instead of MPLS, the label value obviously doesn't matter, because it will never be used. > > **** 2. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and > SRv6, and > **** some PEs support L3VPN both ways, while others support only > MPLS-based > **** L3VPN, then a real label needs to be put in. > > > ​OK.​ > > **** 3. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and > SRv6, but a > **** particular egress PE only supports SRv6, there needs to be > some way to > **** instruct the ingress PEs to use SRv6 and not MPLS. Perhaps the > **** presence of the prefix-SID attribute with VPN-SID TLV is > sufficient. > > > ​Perhaps not ... and this is exactly ​the case trying to be addressed. Why isn't the presence of the attribute sufficient in this case? > > **** 4. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and > SRv6, the > **** egress PE supports both for transit, but the egress PE only > supports > **** SRv6 for L3VPN, the label in the SAFI-1/SAFI-128 routes > should be a > > > ​Label in SAFI 1 ? ​ Sorry, I meant SAFI-4.  Actually, only SAFI-128 really matters in this context, I think. --------------54A25299DC12F9DDE693C821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 12/28/2017 1:55 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Ok let's start all over :)

From the draft:

    The SRv6 VPN SID MAY be routable within the AS of the egress-PE and
  serves the dual purpose of providing reachability between ingress-PE
  and egress-PE while also encoding the VPN identifier.

I took this to mean that  a single IPv6 address could cause the backbone to forward the packet to the egress-PE and cause the egress-PE to look up the payload's IP address in a VRF which is identified by that same IPv6 address.  Did I misunderstand that?

**** This suggests that an IPv6 address has to be assigned to each VRF (for
**** per-VRF "labeling"), or even to each CE (for per-CE labeling).

​No one suggests that. VPN SID is not IPv6 address .. it is part of v6 SID which when appended to IPv6 prefix forms a complete SRv6 SID. Semantics does matter here. ​

Given the above quote from the draft, I'm not sure what is wrong with what I said.


**** If those addresses are routable, doesn't this create a security issue
**** as discussed in RFC 4023 Section 8.2?

​PE's loopback address say /64 being routable causes any security risk ? ​

Please see the reference. 


**** The phrase "only has local significance" suggests that these SIDs are
**** not routable. But later on there is a suggestion that they are
**** routable, or at least that they might be.

​Again SIDs are not routable and they have only local significance - true. ​They are prepended to say loopback address to form IPv6 SID. 

**** So there are a number of options:
**** - not routable
**** - globally routable
**** - routable only within egress AS

​This is referring to routability of SID ... not right. SID does not need to be routable. What prefix they are part of may be routable. ​​

Just replace my use of the term "SID" with the longer term "the IPv6 address of which the SID is a part".

 
   and the BGP ingress device receiving this route
   MAY choose to encapsulate or insert an SRv6 SRH, second it indicates
   the value of the SID to include in the SRH encapsulation.  For L3VPN,
   only a single SRv6-VPN SID MAY be necessary.

**** I don't understand the phrase "only a single SRv6-VPN SID MAY be
**** necessary".

​Analogy to basic L3VPN when you have VPN label and underlay LDP label. ​

Still don't understand what is being said.



   If the BGP speaker supports MPLS based
   L3VPN simultaneously, it MAY also populate the Label values in L3VPN
   route types and allow the BGP ingress device to decide which
   encapsulation to use.  If the BGP speaker does not support MPLS based
   L3VPN services the MPLS Labels in L3VPN route types MUST be set to
   IMPLICIT-NULL.

**** Please provide a reference that specifies how you set the Label field
**** of a SAFI-4 or SAFI-128 route to "implicit null".  I don't recall any
**** such thing existing in RFC 3107, 4364, or 8277.


​4364 does not restrict what value of VPN label is used - does it ? I think this draft now right here defines ​how to read implicit-null being placed there :) It's not my idea though - so I will let real inventors to comment on it more. 
 
**** If you mean "set to three" (the value defined in RFC 3032 to represent
**** "implicit null"), I don't think the SAFI-4/SAFI-128 implementations
**** generally interpret the value three in that manner.

​As mentioned I think it just is being defined here and now. ​

I didn't see any mention of the numeric value to put in the label field of the NLRI.  

or to define a new special or reserved label ​for that embedded signalling.

Some discussion of why this won't cause any backwards compatibility problems would be appropriate.




**** I'm not really sure what you're trying to do here. There are at least
**** four cases to consider:

**** 1. For the case where the backbone doesn't have MPLS, there is no harm
**** in saying "set the label to zero".

​Really ? ​What does the backbone having or not having MPLS has to do with this ? Underlay forwarding does not matter and this is what I read as "backbone".

What I meant is that if it is known a priori that SRv6 is being used instead of MPLS, the label value obviously doesn't matter, because it will never be used.

 

**** 2. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, and
**** some PEs support L3VPN both ways, while others support only MPLS-based
**** L3VPN, then a real label needs to be put in.

​OK.​
 
**** 3. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, but a
**** particular egress PE only supports SRv6, there needs to be some way to
**** instruct the ingress PEs to use SRv6 and not MPLS. Perhaps the
**** presence of the prefix-SID attribute with VPN-SID TLV is sufficient.

​Perhaps not ... and this is exactly ​the case trying to be addressed.

Why isn't the presence of the attribute sufficient in this case?


**** 4. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, the
**** egress PE supports both for transit, but the egress PE only supports
**** SRv6 for L3VPN, the label in the SAFI-1/SAFI-128 routes should be a

​Label in SAFI 1 ? ​

Sorry, I meant SAFI-4.  Actually, only SAFI-128 really matters in this context, I think.


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Being routable to me means that lookup on first N bits of the address will result in forwarding action while the last N bits of the address can have local significance. The use of "dual purpose" is indeed a bit confusing in the draft however it is only MAY which one can also read as MAY NOT :) If operator wishes to have per VRF IPv6 SID implementation complaint with the draft allows that. However smart implementation may also provide mechanism not to require to have full IPv6 address per VRF or per CE. Cheers, R. On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Eric C Rosen wrote: > On 12/28/2017 1:55 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > Ok let's start all over :) > > > From the draft: > > The SRv6 VPN SID MAY be routable within the AS of the egress-PE and > serves the dual purpose of providing reachability between ingress-PE > and egress-PE while also encoding the VPN identifier. > > I took this to mean that a single IPv6 address could cause the backbone > to forward the packet to the egress-PE and cause the egress-PE to look up > the payload's IP address in a VRF which is identified by that same IPv6 > address. Did I misunderstand that? > > **** This suggests that an IPv6 address has to be assigned to each VRF (f= or >> **** per-VRF "labeling"), or even to each CE (for per-CE labeling). >> > > =E2=80=8BNo one suggests that. VPN SID is not IPv6 address .. it is part = of v6 SID > which when appended to IPv6 prefix forms a complete SRv6 SID. Semantics > does matter here. =E2=80=8B > > > Given the above quote from the draft, I'm not sure what is wrong with wha= t > I said. > > > **** If those addresses are routable, doesn't this create a security issu= e >> **** as discussed in RFC 4023 Section 8.2? >> > > =E2=80=8BPE's loopback address say /64 being routable causes any security= risk ? =E2=80=8B > > > Please see the reference. > > > **** The phrase "only has local significance" suggests that these SIDs ar= e >> **** not routable. But later on there is a suggestion that they are >> **** routable, or at least that they might be. >> > > =E2=80=8BAgain SIDs are not routable and they have only local significanc= e - true. > =E2=80=8BThey are prepended to say loopback address to form IPv6 SID. > > **** So there are a number of options: >> **** - not routable >> **** - globally routable >> **** - routable only within egress AS >> > > =E2=80=8BThis is referring to routability of SID ... not right. SID does = not need > to be routable. What prefix they are part of may be routable. =E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B > > > Just replace my use of the term "SID" with the longer term "the IPv6 > address of which the SID is a part". > > > >> and the BGP ingress device receiving this route >> MAY choose to encapsulate or insert an SRv6 SRH, second it indicates >> the value of the SID to include in the SRH encapsulation. For L3VPN, >> only a single SRv6-VPN SID MAY be necessary. >> >> **** I don't understand the phrase "only a single SRv6-VPN SID MAY be >> **** necessary". >> > > =E2=80=8BAnalogy to basic L3VPN when you have VPN label and underlay LDP = label. =E2=80=8B > > > Still don't understand what is being said. > > > > If the BGP speaker supports MPLS based >> L3VPN simultaneously, it MAY also populate the Label values in L3VPN >> route types and allow the BGP ingress device to decide which >> encapsulation to use. If the BGP speaker does not support MPLS based >> L3VPN services the MPLS Labels in L3VPN route types MUST be set to >> IMPLICIT-NULL. >> >> **** Please provide a reference that specifies how you set the Label fie= ld >> **** of a SAFI-4 or SAFI-128 route to "implicit null". I don't recall a= ny >> **** such thing existing in RFC 3107, 4364, or 8277. >> > > > =E2=80=8B4364 does not restrict what value of VPN label is used - does it= ? I > think this draft now right here defines =E2=80=8Bhow to read implicit-nul= l being > placed there :) It's not my idea though - so I will let real inventors to > comment on it more. > > >> **** If you mean "set to three" (the value defined in RFC 3032 to >> represent >> **** "implicit null"), I don't think the SAFI-4/SAFI-128 implementations >> **** generally interpret the value three in that manner. >> > > =E2=80=8BAs mentioned I think it just is being defined here and now. =E2= =80=8B > > > I didn't see any mention of the numeric value to put in the label field o= f > the NLRI. > > or to define a new special or reserved label =E2=80=8Bfor that embedded s= ignalling. > > > Some discussion of why this won't cause any backwards compatibility > problems would be appropriate. > > > > >> **** I'm not really sure what you're trying to do here. There are at lea= st >> **** four cases to consider: >> >> **** 1. For the case where the backbone doesn't have MPLS, there is no >> harm >> **** in saying "set the label to zero". >> > > =E2=80=8BReally ? =E2=80=8BWhat does the backbone having or not having MP= LS has to do with > this ? Underlay forwarding does not matter and this is what I read as > "backbone". > > > What I meant is that if it is known a priori that SRv6 is being used > instead of MPLS, the label value obviously doesn't matter, because it wil= l > never be used. > > > > **** 2. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, and >> **** some PEs support L3VPN both ways, while others support only >> MPLS-based >> **** L3VPN, then a real label needs to be put in. >> > > =E2=80=8BOK.=E2=80=8B > > >> **** 3. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, but= a >> **** particular egress PE only supports SRv6, there needs to be some way >> to >> **** instruct the ingress PEs to use SRv6 and not MPLS. Perhaps the >> **** presence of the prefix-SID attribute with VPN-SID TLV is sufficient= . >> > > =E2=80=8BPerhaps not ... and this is exactly =E2=80=8Bthe case trying to = be addressed. > > > Why isn't the presence of the attribute sufficient in this case? > > > **** 4. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, the >> **** egress PE supports both for transit, but the egress PE only support= s >> **** SRv6 for L3VPN, the label in the SAFI-1/SAFI-128 routes should be a >> > > =E2=80=8BLabel in SAFI 1 ? =E2=80=8B > > > Sorry, I meant SAFI-4. Actually, only SAFI-128 really matters in this > context, I think. > > > --089e082f9bbcc7bb120561ccc4ad Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,

Being routable is not the same as having per VRF or = per CE unique IPv6 address. Being routable to me means that lookup on first= N bits of the address will result in forwarding action while the last N bi= ts of the address can have local significance.=C2=A0

The use of "dual purpose" is indee= d a bit confusing in the draft however it is only MAY which one can also re= ad as MAY NOT :) If operator wishes to have per VRF IPv6 SID implementation= complaint with the draft allows that. However smart implementation may als= o provide mechanism not to require to have full IPv6 address per VRF or per= CE.

Cheers,
R.


On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Er= ic C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
On 12/28/2017 1:55 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
=20
Ok let's start all over :)

From the draft:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The SRv6 VPN SID MAY be routable within the AS o= f the egress-PE and
=C2=A0 serves the dual purpose of providing reachability betwe= en ingress-PE
=C2=A0 and egress-PE while also encoding the VPN identifier.
I took this to mean that=C2=A0 a single IPv6 address could cause the backbone to forward the packet to the egress-PE and cause the egress-PE to look up the payload's IP address in a VRF which is identified by that same IPv6 address.=C2=A0 Did I misunderstand that?
**** This suggests that an IPv6 address has to be assigned to each VRF (for
**** per-VRF "labeling"), or even to each CE (for p= er-CE labeling).

=E2=80=8BNo one suggests that. VPN SID is not IPv6 address .. it is part of v6 SID which when appended to IPv6 prefix forms a complete SRv6 SID. Semantics does matter here. =E2=80=8B<= /div>

Given the above quote from the draft, I'm not sure what is wrong with what I said.


**** If those addresses are routable, doesn't this create a security issue
**** as discussed in RFC 4023 Section 8.2?

=E2=80=8BPE's loopback address say /64 being routable causes any security risk ? =E2=80=8B

Please see the reference.=C2=A0


**** The phrase "only has local significance" suggests that = these SIDs are
**** not routable. But later on there is a suggestion that they are
**** routable, or at least that they might be.

=E2=80=8BAgain SIDs are not routable and they have only local significance - true. =E2=80=8BThey are prepended to say loo= pback address to form IPv6 SID.=C2=A0

**** So there are a number of options:
**** - not routable
**** - globally routable
**** - routable only within egress AS

=E2=80=8BThis is referring to routability of SID ... not right. SID does not need to be routable. What prefix they are part of may be routable. =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B

Just replace my use of the term "SID" with the longer term &q= uot;the IPv6 address of which the SID is a part".

=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and the BGP ingress device receiving this route
=C2=A0=C2=A0 MAY choose to encapsulate or insert an SRv6 SRH,= second it indicates
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the value of the SID to include in the SRH encapsulation.=C2=A0 For L3VPN,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 only a single SRv6-VPN SID MAY be necessary.

**** I don't understand the phrase "only a single SR= v6-VPN SID MAY be
**** necessary".

=E2=80=8BAnalogy to basic L3VPN when you have VPN label and underlay LDP label. =E2=80=8B

Still don't understand what is being said.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the BGP speaker supports MPLS based
=C2=A0=C2=A0 L3VPN simultaneously, it MAY also populate the L= abel values in L3VPN
=C2=A0=C2=A0 route types and allow the BGP ingress device to = decide which
=C2=A0=C2=A0 encapsulation to use.=C2=A0 If the BGP speaker d= oes not support MPLS based
=C2=A0=C2=A0 L3VPN services the MPLS Labels in L3VPN route ty= pes MUST be set to
=C2=A0=C2=A0 IMPLICIT-NULL.

**** Please provide a reference that specifies how you set the Label field
**** of a SAFI-4 or SAFI-128 route to "implicit null&quo= t;.=C2=A0 I don't recall any
**** such thing existing in RFC 3107, 4364, or 8277.


=E2=80=8B4364 does not restrict what value of VPN label is used - does it ? I think this draft now right here defines =E2=80=8Bhow= to read implicit-null being placed there :) It's not my idea though - so I will let real inventors to comment on it more.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
**** If you mean "set to three" (the value defined in RFC 3= 032 to represent
**** "implicit null"), I don't think the SAFI-4= /SAFI-128 implementations
**** generally interpret the value three in that manner.

=E2=80=8BAs mentioned I think it just is being defined here and now. =E2=80=8B

I didn't see any mention of the numeric value to put in the label field of the NLRI.=C2=A0=C2=A0

or to define a new special or reserved label =E2=80=8Bfor that embedded signalling.

Some discussion of why this won't cause any backwards compatibility problems would be appropriate.




**** I'm not really sure what you're trying to do her= e. There are at least
**** four cases to consider:

**** 1. For the case where the backbone doesn't have MPLS= , there is no harm
**** in saying "set the label to zero".

=E2=80=8BReally ? =E2=80=8BWhat does the backbone having or not having MPLS= has to do with this ? Underlay forwarding does not matter and this is what I read as "backbone".

What I meant is that if it is known a priori that SRv6 is being used instead of MPLS, the label value obviously doesn't matter, because it will never be used.

=C2=A0

**** 2. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, and
**** some PEs support L3VPN both ways, while others support only MPLS-based
**** L3VPN, then a real label needs to be put in.

=E2=80=8BOK.=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0
**** 3. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, but a
**** particular egress PE only supports SRv6, there needs to be some way to
**** instruct the ingress PEs to use SRv6 and not MPLS. Perhaps the
**** presence of the prefix-SID attribute with VPN-SID TLV is sufficient.

=E2=80=8BPerhaps not ... and this is exactly =E2=80=8Bthe case trying to be addressed.

Why isn't the presence of the attribute sufficient in this case?

**** 4. For the case where the backbone supports both MPLS and SRv6, the
**** egress PE supports both for transit, but the egress PE only supports
**** SRv6 for L3VPN, the label in the SAFI-1/SAFI-128 routes should be a

=E2=80=8BLabel in SAFI 1 ? =E2=80=8B

Sorry, I meant SAFI-4.=C2=A0 Actually, only SAFI-128 really matters in this context, I think.



--089e082f9bbcc7bb120561ccc4ad-- From nobody Wed Jan 3 05:10:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597C8127023; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:10:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.628 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.628 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mn0noFV8Gn4E; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 494711201F8; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.70]) by opfednr20.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 82C4A40A8C; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:01:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.13]) by opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 5A7EB1A0072; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:01:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM6D.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::54f9:a6c3:c013:cbc7%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:01:10 +0100 From: To: "draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track.authors@ietf.org" CC: "bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track Thread-Index: AdN5jsmXDQSoAwXXRoKBWZf9DikTzQ== Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: <7712_1514984470_5A4CD416_7712_401_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB01322@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.2] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB01322OPEXCLILMA4corp_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:10:42 -0000 --_004_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB01322OPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB01322OPEXCLILMA4corp_" --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB01322OPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, As shepherd of this document, please find below some comments that I have: Overall comments: - Please add a section that contains all the abbreviations expansi= ons: that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms without looking= for the first reference in the text. - I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wonderful to bu= ild a figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedure. So withou= t reading the text, we can remember how it works. - The interAS case may also be better with a Figure and an example= (or couples of). Introduction: "By originating one of these BGP routes, an ingress node advertises that it is transmitting a particular multicast flow." [SLI] Is "is transmitting" correct ? Can't we have situations where an S-PM= SI route is/was advertised but no traffic is flowing (no yet started or swi= tched, or stopped). "Now suppose that the ingress node wants explicit tracking for each individual flow that it transmits (following the procedures of [RFC6625] on that P-tunnel." [SLI] Missing ")" "This allows the ingress node to determine the set of egress nodes that are receiving flows from the ingress node." [SLI] I think the Leaf A-D tells that there is a receiver interested by the= flow, but does not tell that it actually receives it. " Howver, this procedure requires several clarifications:" [SLI] There is a typo s/Howver/However/ "The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA specifies "no tunnel info"." [SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on explicit = tracking or Leaf A-D routes. So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applies he= re. " * The explicit tracking procedures do not allow an ingress node to "see" past the boundaries of the segmentation domain. This particular problem is not further addressed in this revision of this document. " [SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we now consider it as out of scope ? Section 2: "Prior specifications define one flag in the PTA, the "Leaf Info Required" (LIR) flag, that is used for explicit tracking." [SLI] Please point to the right reference "If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA SHOULD also be set." [SLI] Why not using a MUST ? "one forces a a response to be sent an egress node that does not support LIR-pF" [SLI] Is there a missing word like 'sent by an egress node" ? Section 3: "The definition of "match for reception" in [RFC6625] is hereby modified as follows:" [SLI] Please point to the section that you are updating. In addition, section 3.2 of RFC6625 contains multiple if then else conditio= ns for each cases (C-S,C-G) and (C-*,C-G). Please give some precision in wh= ere do you want to insert your new statement in this processing sequence. I= guess it is at the beginning. "When finding the "match for reception" for a given (C-S,C-G) or (C-*,C-G), ignore any S-PMSI A-D route that has no PTA, or whose PTA specifying "no tunnel information"." [SLI] I would be in favor to introduce a normative statement here. "We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking". This differs from the "match for reception" as follows:" [SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the "match for tracking" b= efore giving the rules. Here you're explaining only the rules, not the diff= erence in the meaning. Wouldn't it be easier to tell that the implementatio= n MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-p= F flag set and then run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to h= ave S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for "match for = tracking" ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your= previous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, = so the rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the up= dated one. " Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be generated. See Section 5." [SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a match f= or tracking as there is no tracking requested. Section 4: "Such a route could be an I-PMSI A-D route, a (C-*,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route, a (C-S1,C-*) S-PMSI A-D route, or a (C-*,C-*) S-PMSI A-D route. " [SLI] Is per flow explicit tracking also required for I-PMSI ? I do not see= it listed in the goals of the doc ? The goal was to address wildcards S-PM= SI AD routes. "Further, if the ingress node originates a wildcard S-PMSI A-D route carrying a PTA specifying the tunnel to be used for carrying (C-S1,C-G1) traffic, and if that PTA has the LIR-pF bit set, then explicit tracking for (C-S1,C-G1) is requested by that S-PMSI A-D route. Thus the ingress node SHOULD NOT originate a (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel info"; such a route would not provide any additional functionality." [SLI] I do not fully understand this text in the context of your procedure = 1. which deals with an origination of an (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route (no w= ildcard). As I understand the procedure for the wildcard is defined in 2. "2. The following procedure can be used if (and only if) it is known that the egress nodes support the optional LIR-pF flag." I have some issue with this sentence. It does not seem to be normative as t= here is no normative statement. However I understand it as a critical thing= ("and only if" !) so it may require at least a SHOULD. Then the issue I see is that this knowledge does not come from the protocol= , so it sounds important to me to highlight the impact of a mistake. BUT, reading the section 5. I understand that it is not as critical as it s= eems as the receiver will ignore simply the LIR-pF flag and apply the stand= ard procedure (LIR set). Please clarify the criticity to have or not this knowledge. " To terminate explicit tracking that has been initiated by an S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies a tunnel, the ingress node re-originates the route without the LIR flag set" [SLI] Do we also need to clear the LIR-pf ? It would make sense to do so. "If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set, then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking, following procedures specified in other documents for the case where LIR is set." [SLI] Please state the relevant document references here. Section 5.2 "Note that, per RFC4364, every RD begins with a two-octet type field that is either 0, 1, or 2. By adding 16 to the second octet of the RD, we force the type field to be 16, 17, or 18. " [SLI] It works but we may need to ensure that the types > 16 cannot be used= anymore by new applications. Moreover if new RD types are created, new sib= lings will have to be created. Wouldn't it be easier to set the MSB of the RD type to 1 ? so we only lock = half of the type space. Or what could be the impact of using the RD of the local VRF of the egress = node ? Section 5.3 "In the case where the egress node is not a PE, but rather an ABR or ASBR, it will not know whether it needs to receive a given flow unless it receives a Leaf A-D route whose NLRI specifies that flow and whose IP-address-specific RT specifies an address of the egress node." [SLI] The sentence works but when reading it I needed multiple reread to un= derstand that the "IP-address-specific RT specifies an address of the egress node." was referring to the ASBR/ABR = and not the receiver PE. Do you mind using "this egress node" or "this ABR/ASBR" ? Section 8. [SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such "attack" ? Ingress PE droppi= ng ? Section 9.2 I think RFC7524 needs to be referenced as normative giving that its knowled= ge is required to understand section 5.3. I think that section 5.3 is also = updating/complementing the procedures in RFC7524 with the "no-tunnel info" = case. Brgds, [Orange logo] Stephane Litkowski Network Architect Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET Orange Expert Future Networks phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83 NEW ! mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 NEW ! stephane.litkowski@orange.com ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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Hi,

 

As shepherd of this document, please find below some= comments that I have:

 

Overall comments:

-     &= nbsp;    Please add a section that contains all the abbrevia= tions expansions: that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms wi= thout looking for the first reference in the text.

-     &= nbsp;    I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wo= nderful to build a figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedu= re. So without reading the text, we can remember how it works.

-     &= nbsp;    The interAS case may also be better with a Figure a= nd an example (or couples of).

 

Introduction:

“By originating one of these BGP rou=
tes, an ingress node advertises that

   it is transmitting a particular m= ulticast flow.”

[SLI] Is “is transmitting” correct ? Can= ’t we have situations where an S-PMSI route is/was advertised but no = traffic is flowing (no yet started or switched, or stopped).

 

“Now
   suppose that the ingress node=
 wants explicit tracking for each
   individual flow that it trans=
mits (following the procedures of
   [RFC6625] on that P-tunnel.&#=
8221;
[SLI] Missing “)”
 
 
“This allows the

   ingress node to determine the=
 set of egress nodes that are receiving


   flows from the ingress node.&=
#8221;


[SLI] I think the Leaf A-D tells that ther=
e is a receiver interested by the flow, but does not tell that it actually =
receives it.


 


 


“   Howver, this procedure=
 requires several clarifications:”


[SLI] There is a typo s/Howver/However/


 


“The procedures of [RFC6625] do not =
clearly state how to handle an


      S-PMSI A-D =
route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA


      specifies &=
quot;no tunnel info".”


 


[SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does =
not mention anything on explicit tracking or Leaf A-D routes. So we assume =
that RFC6513/6514 only applies here.


 


 


“   *  The explicit t=
racking procedures do not allow an ingress node


       =
  to "see" past the boundaries of the segmentation domain.


 


       =
  This particular problem is not further addressed in this<=
/span>


       =
  revision of this document.


“


[SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we=
 now consider it as out of scope ?


 


 


 


Section 2:


“Prior specifications define one fla=
g in the PTA, the "Leaf Info


   Required" (LIR) flag, th=
at is used for explicit tracking.”


 


[SLI] Please point to the right reference<=
o:p>


 


“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a give=
n PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA


   SHOULD also be set.”


[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?


 


“one forces a


   a response to be sent an egre=
ss node that does not support LIR-pF”


[SLI] Is there a missing word like ‘=
sent by an egress node” ?


 


 


 


 


Section 3:


“The definition of "match for r=
eception" in [RFC6625] is hereby


   modified as follows:”


 


[SLI] Please point to the section that you=
 are updating.


In addition, section 3.2 of RFC6625 contai=
ns multiple if then else conditions for each cases (C-S,C-G) and (C-*,C-G).=
 Please give some precision in where do you want to insert your new stateme=
nt in this processing sequence. I guess it is at the beginning.<=
/span>


 


 


“When finding the "match for re=
ception" for a given (C-S,C-G) or


      (C-*,C-G), =
ignore any S-PMSI A-D route that has no PTA, or whose

      PTA specify=
ing "no tunnel information".”


[SLI] I would be in favor to introduce a normative s=
tatement here.


 


“We also introduce a new notion: the=
 "match for tracking".  This


   differs from the "match =
for reception" as follows:”


[SLI] It would be better to give a definit=
ion of the “match for tracking” before giving the rules. Here y=
ou’re explaining only the rules, not the difference in the meaning. W=
ouldn’t it be easier to tell that the implementation MUST consider on=
ly the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and the=
n run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes =
with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for “match for trackingR=
21; ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your previ=
ous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, so the=
 rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the updated =
one.


 


 


“   Also note that if a ma=
tch for tracking does not have the LIR flag or


   the LIR-pF flag set, no expli=
cit tracking information will be


   generated.  See Section =
5.”


[SLI] Again I do not see the value added o=
f keeping such route as a match for tracking as there is no tracking reques=
ted.


 


 


Section 4:


“Such a route could be an=



       I-PMS=
I A-D route, a (C-*,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route, a (C-S1,C-*)<=
/pre>

       S-PMS=
I A-D route, or a (C-*,C-*) S-PMSI A-D route. “

[SLI] Is per flow explicit tracking also r=
equired for I-PMSI ? I do not see it listed in the goals of the doc ? The g=
oal was to address wildcards S-PMSI AD routes.


 


“Further, if the ingress node origin=
ates a wildcard S-PMSI A-D


       route car=
rying a PTA specifying the tunnel to be used for


       carrying =
(C-S1,C-G1) traffic, and if that PTA has the LIR-pF bit

       set, then=
 explicit tracking for (C-S1,C-G1) is requested by that

       S-PMSI A-=
D route.  Thus the ingress node SHOULD NOT originate a


       (C-S1,C-G=
1) S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel

       info"=
;; such a route would not provide any additional


       functiona=
lity.”


 


[SLI] I do not fully understand this text in t=
he context of your procedure 1. which deals with an origination of an (C-S1=
,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route (no wildcard). As I understand
 the procedure for the wildcard is defined in 2.


 


 


 


 


“2. The following procedure can be used =
if (and only if) it is known


       that the =
egress nodes support the optional LIR-pF flag.”


 


I have some issue with this sentence. It d=
oes not seem to be normative as there is no normative statement. However I =
understand it as a critical thing (“and only if” !) so it may r=
equire at least a SHOULD.


Then the issue I see is that this knowledg=
e does not come from the protocol, so it sounds important to me to highligh=
t the impact of a mistake.


 


BUT, reading the section 5. I understand t=
hat it is not as critical as it seems as the receiver will ignore simply th=
e LIR-pF flag and apply the standard procedure (LIR set).=



Please clarify the criticity to have or no=
t this knowledge.


 


 


“      =
; To terminate explicit tracking that has been initiated by an


       S-PMSI A-=
D route whose PTA specifies a tunnel, the ingress node


       re-origin=
ates the route without the LIR flag set”


 


[SLI] Do we also need to clear the LIR-pf ? It=
 would make sense to do so.


 


 


“If the match for tracking has LIR s=
et and if either (a) the


       egress no=
de does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set,


       then the =
egress node must respond to the match for tracking,


       following=
 procedures specified in other documents for the case


       where LIR=
 is set.”


 


[SLI] Please state the relevant document refer=
ences here.


 


 


 


 


Section 5.2


 


 


“Note that, per RFC4364, every RD be=
gins with a two-octet type field


   that is either 0, 1, or 2.  =
By adding 16 to the second octet of the


   RD, we force the type field to be=
 16, 17, or 18. “


 


[SLI] It works but we may need to ensure that =
the types > 16 cannot be used anymore by new applications. Moreover if n=
ew RD types are created, new siblings will have to
 be created.


Wouldn’t it be easier to set the MSB of =
the RD type to 1 ? so we only lock half of the type space.


Or what could be the impact of using the RD of=
 the local VRF of the egress node ?


 


Section 5.3


 


“In the case where the egress


   node is not a PE, but rather an A=
BR or ASBR, it will not know whether


   it needs to receive a given flow =
unless it receives a Leaf A-D route


   whose NLRI specifies that flow an=
d whose IP-address-specific RT


   specifies an address of the egres=
s node.”


 


[SLI] The sentence works but when reading it I=
 needed multiple reread to understand that the “IP-address-specific R=
T


   specifies an address of the egres=
s node.” was referring to the ASBR/ABR and not the receiver PE.<=
/o:p>


Do you mind using “this egress node̶=
1; or “this ABR/ASBR” ?


 


 


Section 8.


[SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such=
 “attack” ? Ingress PE dropping ?


 


 


 


Section 9.2


I think RFC7524 needs to be referenced as normative =
giving that its knowledge is required to understand section 5.3. I think th=
at section 5.3 is also updating/complementing the procedures in RFC7524 wit=
h the “no-tunnel info” case.


 


 


 


Brgds,


 


 


 


3D"O=


 <=
o:p>


Stephane Litkowski


Network Architect


Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET


Orange Expert Future Networks=



phone:
+33
 2 23 06 49 83  N=
EW !

mobile:
+33
 6 71 63 27 50  NEW =
;!

stephane.litkowski@orange.com



 


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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On December 30, 2017 at 7:00:05 AM, Spencer Dawkins ( spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com) wrote: Spencer: Hi! Happy New Year! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Both the Abstract and Introduction contain text like this: This specification is also applicable to GENEVE encapsulation; however, some incremental work is required which will be covered in a separate document. and the Introduction references draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-00.txt, whic= h looks like an individual -00 draft. I wonder if it would be better to drop the promise from this document, and make the relationship clear in whatever version of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve is published. I'm fine with the working group publishing this draft with the promise included, but wanted to ask while we're reviewing it, rather than later. 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Both the Abstract and Introduction cont= ain text like this:=C2=A0

This specification is also a= pplicable to GENEVE encapsulation;=C2= =A0
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and the Introduction refere= nces draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-00.txt, which=C2=A0
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promise from this document, and make the relatio= nship clear in whatever version=C2=A0=
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I'm fine with the working group publishing this draft= with the promise=C2=A0=
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We added that in mainly because the nvo3 WG=E2=80=99= s focus on Geneve=E2=80=A6

Alvaro.


--001a113dcba22bb77c05621029f2-- From nobody Tue Jan 9 12:32:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB3B1205F0; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 12:32:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alia Atlas To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay@ietf.org, Thomas Morin , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, thomas.morin@orange.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151552995696.1725.2845200106633127127.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 12:32:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Alia Atlas' No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 20:32:37 -0000 Alia Atlas has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I prefer the comments about Geneve being left in the draft. The other 2 encapsulations are ISE. Geneve will be the Standards Track encapsulation - so I find the framing useful. From nobody Tue Jan 9 15:37:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15141241F5 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:37:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dM0E3npz_3AQ for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09DBF120713 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmgw2 (unknown [10.0.90.83]) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE1C140440 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id wPcw1w00P2SSUrH01PczGP; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:37:00 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=doKrMxo4 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=RgaUWeydRksA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=blyHRfvnitcRAip7kYsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Cc:To:Subject:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=M3u5A0RRW5ktR7OApkgsa9S08UPmltsZ9OQmyqB6H2Y=; b=EvZtPj0tXutJtkAbjia3vrQzvW 1UO43yfoH7hAyNaYutDEF2qxpCcvw6MfUYI3aMbhrMKqMBQkyzg0M7p6BwdWSxd5KUj1qGGT5zxVM xg3CzN45h+Wwz03CbrkVkDsSa; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:38820 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eZ3Rw-002038-9L; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:36:56 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: "" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay.all@ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org, BESS Message-ID: <27a39a31-d85b-b496-13cb-0b75ddccb76d@labn.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 18:36:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1eZ3Rw-002038-9L X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:38820 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [bess] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-10 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 23:37:04 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-10.txt Reviewer: Lou Berger Review Date: Jan 9, 2018 IETF LC End Date: date-if-known Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. Comments: To me the document reads more like an applicability statement than a PS.  I think a few things can and should be done to the document to clean this up.  Some are trivial, some may take more thought.  The core issues are related to (a) detecting/handling configuration mismatches and (b) definition of support for multiple encapsulation types.  I suspect all raised issues can be addressed via documentation changes. Major Issues: Minor Issues: - The document defines a number of deployment options that are not compatible, e.g., section 5.1.2 options 1 and 2, or allowing for "locally configured encapsulation".  It would be good  if the document should explain how such mismatches can be detected by an implementation or in operation and addressed.  If an option can be eliminated, such as configured encapsulation, this should be considered. - The approach taken in the document is clearly applicable to multiple tunneling technologies, and mentioning this is certainly appropriate, but the document leaves some aspects unsaid (and open to interpretation) for encapsulations other than VXLAN.  The scope of the document states that vxlan, nvgre and MPLSoGRE encapsulation are fully supported by the document, but full specification seems to only be present for the first.  For example, section 5.1 references multiple encapsulation technologies, but only defines mechanisms relative to VXLAN (VNIs).  Adding specific procedures for each encapsulation type would make the required mechanisms unambiguous, but this is certainly not the only way to ensure each is fully documented and multiple independent interoperable implementations will be possible. - Section 5.1.2.1 should cover how 4 byte ASes are to be handled Nits: - Lowercase "should" is used in a some places where it looks like "SHOULD" be used.  In general it appears that lowercase was used when referring to requirements defined in other documents.  Upper case is still appropriate in such cases. - Some terms are used without references on their first use. 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Authors, thanks for addressing Vijay=E2=80=99= s comment. I have entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Dec 22, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >=20 > Vijay: >=20 > Hi! >=20 > Thanks for your review! >=20 > The registry has a FCFS registration policy, so at some point in the = life of draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay the code points were requested =E2=80=94= not necessarily in the draft itself. >=20 > Even though draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay is tagged in the datatracker = to have replaced draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay, I think you make a good = point in that the registry needs to be updated with the current/correct = information. >=20 > Authors: Please add a note in the IANA Considerations Section to have = the reference in the registry point to this document. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > On December 21, 2017 at 9:16:53 AM, Vijay Gurbani (vkg@acm.org = ) wrote: >=20 >> Minor issues:=20 >> In S13 (IANA Considerations), I am not sure whether this draft is = allocating=20 >> the tunnel types or not. The responsible IANA registry [0] shows that = the=20 >> tunnel types mentioned in this draft are already allocated through a = precursor=20 >> individual draft [1], which has long expired. However, when I look at = the IANA=20 >> Consideration section in [1], it is empty! So I am not sure how the = IANA=20 >> registry in [0] received the allocations. I think the IANA section of = this=20 >> draft needs to be updated accordingly.=20 >>=20 >> [0]=20 >> = https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-parameters/bgp-parameters.xhtml#tunne= l-types = =20 >> [1] http://www.iana.org/go/draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay = (the expired = individual=20 >> draft itself is at = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay-03 = )=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art = --Apple-Mail=_4F40058C-99E0-4416-9356-6FF05C3AFEDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Vijay, thanks for your review. Authors, = thanks for addressing Vijay=E2=80=99s comment. I have entered a No = Objection ballot.

Alissa

On Dec 22, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Alvaro Retana = <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Vijay:

Hi!

Thanks for your review!

The registry has a FCFS registration = policy, so at some point in the life of draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay = the code points were requested =E2=80=94 not necessarily in the draft = itself.

Even though = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay is tagged in the datatracker to have = replaced draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay, I think you make a good point in = that the registry needs to be updated with the current/correct = information.

Authors: =  Please add a note in the IANA Considerations Section to have the = reference in the registry point to this document.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On December 21, 2017 at 9:16:53 AM, Vijay Gurbani (vkg@acm.org) = wrote:

Minor issues: 
In S13 (IANA Considerations), I am not sure = whether this draft is allocating 
the tunnel types or not. The responsible IANA = registry [0] shows that the 
tunnel types mentioned in this draft are already = allocated through a precursor 
individual draft [1], which has long expired. = However, when I look at the IANA 
Consideration section in [1], it is empty! So I = am not sure how the IANA 
registry in [0] received the allocations. I = think the IANA section of this 
draft needs to be updated accordingly. 

[0] 
https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-parameters/bgp-parameters.= xhtml#tunnel-types 
[1] http://www.iana.org/go/draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay (the expired = individual 
draft itself is at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sd-l2vpn-evpn-overlay-03<= span style=3D"font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: = none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">) 

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= --Apple-Mail=_4F40058C-99E0-4416-9356-6FF05C3AFEDB-- From nobody Wed Jan 10 17:45:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F49C1252BA; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:45:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay@ietf.org, Thomas Morin , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, thomas.morin@orange.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151563510958.16027.3034660508063969813.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:45:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 01:45:09 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please expand the following acronyms upon first use; see https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt for guidance. - VXLAN - NVGRE - POD - GRE - Generic Routing Encapsulation - GENEVE - NV - ARP - Address Resolution Protocol - RR - Resource Record - ECMP - Equal-Cost Multipath - PIM-SM - Protocol Independent Multicast - PIM-SSM - BIDIR-PIM - IP-VRF - LSP - Label Switched Path - iBGP Also, please be consistent about capitalization of "ToR" versus "TOR", "VxLAN" versus "VXLAN", and "NvGRE" versus "NVGRE". 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Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases, please also state the reasons). This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contributors. Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this Document. If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. 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Yet, if you have any issue with this situation, please speak up. Thanks -m -------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : [bess] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane Date : Mon, 20 Nov 2017 08:12:07 -0800 De : IETF Secretariat Pour : draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane@ietf.org Copie à : bess@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org Dear Adrian Farrel, John Drake, Eric C. Rosen, Jim Uttaro, Luay Jalil: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC" (draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3107/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane" Thank you IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Jan 11 02:40:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6A412EAEE; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:40:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151566725689.16761.824248559754785602.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:40:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] The BESS WG has placed draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:40:57 -0000 The BESS WG has placed draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Martin Vigoureux) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/ From nobody Thu Jan 11 05:15:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F407912EA8F; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 62c7f0cb-9e7e-4bed-e03a-08d558f56366 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Jan 2018 13:15:30.0181 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR0501MB1818 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2018-01-11_04:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_spam_notspam policy=outbound_spam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801110184 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 13:15:34 -0000 Support as co-author. Not aware of relevant IPR. This doc covers procedures for optimized EVPN inter-subnet multicast, which= is a very important piece in the EVPN solution. It has improved and mature= d since it was first published in April, 2015, with co-authors from several= major vendors. Thanks. Jeffrey > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Vigoureux [mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 5:12 AM > To: bess@ietf.org > Cc: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org > Subject: Call for adoption: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast >=20 > Hello working group, >=20 > This email starts a two-week call for adoption on > draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. >=20 > Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both > cases, please also state the reasons). >=20 > This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. >=20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies > to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance > with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more > details). > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. 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Cheers, Jeff On 1/11/18, 02:12, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" wrote: Hello working group, =20 This email starts a two-week call for adoption on=20 draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. =20 Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both=20 cases, please also state the reasons). =20 This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. =20 We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. 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[69.114.31.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m129sm12993350qkf.27.2018.01.11.17.13.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:13:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Nabeel Cocker X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15C114) In-Reply-To: <639e2f6f-299c-3141-6b60-583673176149@nokia.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:13:47 -0500 Cc: bess@ietf.org, draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <39BE2E9A-3763-4EFA-AFDD-05244AB492D0@nuagenetworks.net> References: <639e2f6f-299c-3141-6b60-583673176149@nokia.com> To: Martin Vigoureux Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 01:14:02 -0000 Support Regards, Nabeel > On Jan 11, 2018, at 5:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux = wrote: >=20 > Hello working group, >=20 > This email starts a two-week call for adoption on draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-= mcast-04 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. >=20 > Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases= , please also state the reasons). >=20 > This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. >=20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies > to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance > with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more > details). > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. 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([2601:646:8b03:d12c:c5b3:988:690e:490e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r26sm20421312pfi.140.2018.01.11.19.49.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jan 2018 19:49:44 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Gaurav Dawra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: <39BE2E9A-3763-4EFA-AFDD-05244AB492D0@nuagenetworks.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 19:49:43 -0800 Cc: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <639e2f6f-299c-3141-6b60-583673176149@nokia.com> <39BE2E9A-3763-4EFA-AFDD-05244AB492D0@nuagenetworks.net> To: Martin Vigoureux Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 03:49:48 -0000 Support >=20 >> On Jan 11, 2018, at 5:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux wrote: >>=20 >> Hello working group, >>=20 >> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb= -mcast-04 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. >>=20 >> Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both case= s, please also state the reasons). >>=20 >> This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. >>=20 >> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies >> to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance >> with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more >> details). >> If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please >> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any >> relevant undisclosed IPR. 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Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,= please also state the reasons). This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this Document. If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. 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Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,= please also state the reasons). This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this Document. If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. 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X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 01:22:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : A Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi John Drake Nabil Bitar R. Shekhar James Uttaro Wim Henderickx Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2018-01-12 Abstract: This document specifies how Ethernet VPN (EVPN) can be used as a Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) solution and explores the various tunnel encapsulation options over IP and their impact on the EVPN control-plane and procedures. In particular, the following encapsulation options are analyzed: Virtual Extensible LAN (VXLAN), Network Virtualization using Generic Routing Encapsulation (NVGRE), and MPLS over Generic Routing Encapsulation (GRE). This specification is also applicable to Generic Network Virtualization Encapsulation (GENEVE) encapsulation; however, some incremental work is required which will be covered in a separate document. This document also specifies new multi-homing procedures for split-horizon filtering and mass-withdraw. It also specifies EVPN route constructions for VXLAN/NVGRE encapsulations and Autonomous System Boundary Router (ASBR) procedures for multi-homing of Network Virtualization (NV) Edge devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Support fully. Cheers, Aldrin On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 7:57 PM Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) < wim.henderickx@nokia.com> wrote: > support > > =EF=BB=BFOn 11/01/2018, 10:50, "BESS on behalf of Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - > US/Mountain View)" jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote: > > Support as co-author. Not aware of any IPR relevant to this document. > > This is an important document. It describes a solution that integrate= s > L2/L3 multicast in a very efficient and simplified way, under a single > control plane protocol. It will be key for multicast applications in Data > Centers and overlay networks. This revision is very mature already and > includes all the details needed for the implementation, therefore it is > ready for adoption. > > Thank you. > Jorge > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Vigoureux > Date: Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 2:12 AM > To: "bess@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org" < > draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org> > Subject: Call for adoption: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast > Resent-From: > Resent-To: , , < > jdrake@juniper.net>, , , < > sajassi@cisco.com> > Resent-Date: Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 2:12 AM > > Hello working group, > > This email starts a two-week call for adoption on > draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [1] as a BESS Working Group > Document. > > Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in > both > cases, please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that > applies > to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in > compliance > with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more > details). > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document > please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware o= f > any > relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without > answers > from all the Authors and Contributors. > > Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this Document. > > If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not > yet > been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > Martin & St=C3=A9phane > bess chairs > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/ > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --f403043614b463d69c0562cff3d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1. Support fully.

Cheers,
Aldrin
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 7:57 PM Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - = BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@= nokia.com> wrote:
support<= br>
=EF=BB=BFOn 11/01/2018, 10:50, "BESS on behalf of Rabadan, Jorge (Noki= a - US/Mountain View)" <bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wr= ote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Support as co-author. Not aware of any IPR relevant to this d= ocument.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is an important document. It describes a solution that i= ntegrates L2/L3 multicast in a very efficient and simplified way, under a s= ingle control plane protocol. It will be key for multicast applications in = Data Centers and overlay networks. This revision is very mature already and= includes all the details needed for the implementation, therefore it is re= ady for adoption.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thank you.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jorge


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -----Original Message-----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date: Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 2:12 AM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 To: "= bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cc: "draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org" &= lt;draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Subject: Call for adoption: draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Resent-To: <wlin@juniper.net>, <zzhang@juniper.net>, <jdrake@juniper.net>, <erosen@juniper.net>, &l= t;jorge.rabada= n@nokia.com>, <sajassi@cisco.com>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Resent-Date: Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 2:12 AM

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hello working group,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This email starts a two-week call for adoption = on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [1] as a BESS = Working Group Document.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please state on the list if you support the ado= ption or not (in both
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cases, please also state the reasons).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This poll runs until *the 26th of January*.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We are also polling for knowledge of any undisc= losed IPR that applies
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 = and 5378 for more
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 details).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor= of this Document please
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 respond to this email and indicate whether or n= ot you are aware of any
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won'= t progress without answers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 from all the Authors and Contributors.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Currently no IPR has been disclosed against thi= s Document.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you are not listed as an Author or a Contrib= utor, then please
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 explicitly respond only if you are aware of any= IPR that has not yet
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thank you

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Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151611983289.27527.17843618753329990660@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:23:52 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:23:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Explicit Tracking with Wild Card Routes in Multicast VPN Authors : Andrew Dolganow Jayant Kotalwar Eric C. Rosen Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-16 Abstract: The MVPN specifications provide procedures to allow a multicast ingress node to invoke "explicit tracking" for a multicast flow or set of flows, thus learning the egress nodes for that flow or set of flows. However, the specifications are not completely clear about how the explicit tracking procedures work in certain scenarios. This document provides the necessary clarifications. It also specifies a new, optimized explicit tracking procedure. This new procedure allows an ingress node, by sending a single message, to request explicit tracking of each of a set of flows, where the set of flows is specified using a wildcard mechanism. This document updates RFC6625. 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for your review.  I have posted revision -04 which I believe addresses your substantive comments. On 1/3/2018 8:01 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: > > Hi, > > As shepherd of this document, please find below some comments that I have: > > Overall comments: > > -Please add a section that contains all the abbreviations expansions: > that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms without looking > for the first reference in the text. > This is not generally required of an RFC. > -I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wonderful to build a > figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedure. So without > reading the text, we can remember how it works. > > -The interAS case may also be better with a Figure and an example (or > couples of). > This seems like a matter of taste.  Admitedly, I'd probably like figures more if I had any skill in producing them ;-) > Introduction: > > “By originating one of these BGP routes, an ingress node advertises that > >    it is transmitting a particular multicast flow.” > > [SLI] Is “is transmitting” correct ? Can’t we have situations where an > S-PMSI route is/was advertised but no traffic is flowing (no yet > started or switched, or stopped). > Fixed. > “Now >    suppose that the ingress node wants explicit tracking for each >    individual flow that it transmits (following the procedures of >    [RFC6625] on that P-tunnel.” > [SLI] Missing “)” Fixed. > “This allows the >    ingress node to determine the set of egress nodes that are receiving >    flows from the ingress node.” > [SLI] I think the Leaf A-D tells that there is a receiver interested > by the flow, but does not tell that it actually receives it. Correct; fixed. > “   Howver, this procedure requires several clarifications:” > [SLI] There is a typo s/Howver/However/ Fixed. > “The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an >       S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA >       specifies "no tunnel info".” > [SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on > explicit tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 > only applies here. RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but did not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA.  This document corrects that. > “   *  The explicit tracking procedures do not allow an ingress node >          to "see" past the boundaries of the segmentation domain. >          This particular problem is not further addressed in this >          revision of this document. > “ > [SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we now consider it as out of > scope ? I think this is actually addressed in Section 5.3, so I've removed the remark. > Section 2: > “Prior specifications define one flag in the PTA, the "Leaf Info >    Required" (LIR) flag, that is used for explicit tracking.” > [SLI] Please point to the right reference Fixed. > “If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA >    SHOULD also be set.” > [SLI] Why not using a MUST ? If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is appropriate. > “one forces a >    a response to be sent an egress node that does not support LIR-pF” > [SLI] Is there a missing word like ‘sent by an egress node” ? Fixed. > Section 3: > > “The definition of "match for reception" in [RFC6625] is hereby >    modified as follows:” > [SLI] Please point to the section that you are updating. > In addition, section 3.2 of RFC6625 contains multiple if then else > conditions for each cases (C-S,C-G) and (C-*,C-G). Please give some > precision in where do you want to insert your new statement in this > processing sequence. I guess it is at the beginning. I tried to make this clearer. > “When finding the "match for reception" for a given (C-S,C-G) or >       (C-*,C-G), ignore any S-PMSI A-D route that has no PTA, or whose >       PTA specifying "no tunnel information".” > > [SLI] I would be in favor to introduce a normative statement here. > Fixed. > “We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking".  This >    differs from the "match for reception" as follows:” > [SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the “match for > tracking” before giving the rules. Here you’re explaining only the > rules, not the difference in the meaning. Wouldn’t it be easier to > tell that the implementation MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes > that have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and then run the same rules > as the RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR > unset in your route list for “match for tracking” ? You need to take > care here on your text proposal as one of your previous statement > updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, so the rules to > be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the updated one. IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then illustrate with a couple of examples. > “   Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or >    the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be >    generated.  See Section 5.” > [SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a > match for tracking as there is no tracking requested. As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking" route for each flow.    If tracking is not requested, this route will have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  There are no unnecessary routes. > Section 4: > “Such a route could be an >        I-PMSI A-D route, a (C-*,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route, a (C-S1,C-*) >        S-PMSI A-D route, or a (C-*,C-*) S-PMSI A-D route. “ > [SLI] Is per flow explicit tracking also required for I-PMSI ? I do > not see it listed in the goals of the doc ? The goal was to address > wildcards S-PMSI AD routes. The above simply says that some route must specify the tunnel on which the (C-S1,C-G1) is to be transmitted, and that this route could be an I-PMSI A-D route. > “Further, if the ingress node originates a wildcard S-PMSI A-D > >        route carrying a PTA specifying the tunnel to be used for > >        carrying (C-S1,C-G1) traffic, and if that PTA has the LIR-pF bit > >        set, then explicit tracking for (C-S1,C-G1) is requested by that > >        S-PMSI A-D route.  Thus the ingress node SHOULD NOT originate a > >        (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel > >        info"; such a route would not provide any additional > >        functionality.” > > [SLI] I do not fully understand this text in the context of your > procedure 1. which deals with an origination of an (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI > A-D route (no wildcard). As I understand the procedure for the > wildcard is defined in 2. > This just says that there's no point in originating S-PMSI(C-S,C-G) with LIR set if you've already originated S-PMSI(C-*,C-G) with LIR-pF set.  That seems to be an appropriate bit of advice. > “2. The following procedure can be used if (and only if) it is known > >        that the egress nodes support the optional LIR-pF flag.” > > I have some issue with this sentence. It does not seem to be normative > as there is no normative statement. However I understand it as a > critical thing (“and only if” !) so it may require at least a SHOULD. > Then the issue I see is that this knowledge does not come from the > protocol, so it sounds important to me to highlight the impact of a > mistake. > BUT, reading the section 5. I understand that it is not as critical as > it seems as the receiver will ignore simply the LIR-pF flag and apply > the standard procedure (LIR set). > Please clarify the criticity to have or not this knowledge. I added some text saying that procedure 2 may yield unexpected results if not all the PEs support LIR-pF, and that the procedure SHOULD NOT be used in that case. > “       To terminate explicit tracking that has been initiated by an > >        S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies a tunnel, the ingress node > >        re-originates the route without the LIR flag set” > > [SLI] Do we also need to clear the LIR-pf ? It would make sense to do so. > Fixed. > “If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the > >        egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set, > >        then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking, > >        following procedures specified in other documents for the case > >        where LIR is set.” > > [SLI] Please state the relevant document references here. > In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not modified by this document.  I don't think it is necessary to cite a specific set of documents that discuss the LIR flag. > Section 5.2 > > “Note that, per RFC4364, every RD begins with a two-octet type field > >    that is either 0, 1, or 2.  By adding 16 to the second octet of the > >    RD, we force the type field to be 16, 17, or 18. “ > > [SLI] It works but we may need to ensure that the types > 16 cannot be > used anymore by new applications. > There is  a registry for the Route Distinguisher Type field.  Only types 16, 17, and 18 are defined here, other values are still available. > Moreover if new RD types are created, new siblings will have to be > created. > Your point is correct, but there hasn't been a new RD type in 20 years.  The draft shouldn't really say "add 16", it should just point out the new types. > Wouldn’t it be easier to set the MSB of the RD type to 1 ? so we only > lock half of the type space. > I think it is easier to use three new type values than to turn one of the bits into a flag. > Or what could be the impact of using the RD of the local VRF of the > egress node ? > The RD of the Leaf A-D route needs to be derived from the RD of the S-PMSI A-D route that elicits it.  Otherwise the ingress node receiving the Leaf A-D route will have diffculty matching it to the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route. > Section 5.3 > > “In the case where the egress > >    node is not a PE, but rather an ABR or ASBR, it will not know whether > >    it needs to receive a given flow unless it receives a Leaf A-D route > >    whose NLRI specifies that flow and whose IP-address-specific RT > >    specifies an address of the egress node.” > > [SLI] The sentence works but when reading it I needed multiple reread > to understand that the “IP-address-specific RT > >    specifies an address of the egress node.” was referring to the > ASBR/ABR and not the receiver PE. > > Do you mind using “this egress node” or “this ABR/ASBR” ? > I tried to clarify that. > Section 8. > > [SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such “attack” ? Ingress PE > dropping ? > I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside the scope of the document. > Section 9.2 > > I think RFC7524 needs to be referenced as normative giving that its > knowledge is required to understand section 5.3. > I'm not sure that RFC7524 should be a normative reference, as this draft does not require segmentation at the ABRs.  However, since RFC7524 is already published, there's no harm in adding it to the "normative references" section. > I think that section 5.3 is also updating/complementing the procedures > in RFC7524 with the “no-tunnel info” case. > There don't seem to be any clear and objective criteria for determining whether one document "updates" another. --------------269282E6C4FBEFF74F908491 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for your review.  I have posted revision -04 which I believe addresses your substantive comments.

On 1/3/2018 8:01 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:

Hi,

 

As shepherd of this document, please find below some comments that I have:

 

Overall comments:

-          Please add a section that contains all the abbreviations expansions: that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms without looking for the first reference in the text.


This is not generally required of an RFC.

-          I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wonderful to build a figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedure. So without reading the text, we can remember how it works.

-          The interAS case may also be better with a Figure and an example (or couples of).


This seems like a matter of taste.  Admitedly, I'd probably like figures more if I had any skill in producing them ;-)

 

Introduction:

“By originating one of these BGP routes, an ingress node advertises that

   it is transmitting a particular multicast flow.”

[SLI] Is “is transmitting” correct ? Can’t we have situations where an S-PMSI route is/was advertised but no traffic is flowing (no yet started or switched, or stopped).


Fixed.

 

“Now
   suppose that the ingress node wants explicit tracking for each
   individual flow that it transmits (following the procedures of
   [RFC6625] on that P-tunnel.”
[SLI] Missing “)”

Fixed.

 
 
“This allows the
   ingress node to determine the set of egress nodes that are receiving
   flows from the ingress node.”
[SLI] I think the Leaf A-D tells that there is a receiver interested by the flow, but does not tell that it actually receives it.

Correct; fixed.

 
 
“   Howver, this procedure requires several clarifications:”
[SLI] There is a typo s/Howver/However/

Fixed.

 
“The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an
      S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA
      specifies "no tunnel info".”
 
[SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on explicit tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applies here.

RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but did not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA.  This document corrects that.

 
 
“   *  The explicit tracking procedures do not allow an ingress node
         to "see" past the boundaries of the segmentation domain.
 
         This particular problem is not further addressed in this
         revision of this document.
“
[SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we now consider it as out of scope ?

I think this is actually addressed in Section 5.3, so I've removed the remark.

 
 
 
Section 2:
“Prior specifications define one flag in the PTA, the "Leaf Info
   Required" (LIR) flag, that is used for explicit tracking.”
 
[SLI] Please point to the right reference

Fixed.

 
“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA
   SHOULD also be set.”
[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?

If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is appropriate.

 
“one forces a
   a response to be sent an egress node that does not support LIR-pF”
[SLI] Is there a missing word like ‘sent by an egress node” ?

Fixed.

 
 
 

 

Section 3:

“The definition of "match for reception" in [RFC6625] is hereby
   modified as follows:”
 
[SLI] Please point to the section that you are updating.
In addition, section 3.2 of RFC6625 contains multiple if then else conditions for each cases (C-S,C-G) and (C-*,C-G). Please give some precision in where do you want to insert your new statement in this processing sequence. I guess it is at the beginning.

I tried to make this clearer.

 
 
“When finding the "match for reception" for a given (C-S,C-G) or
      (C-*,C-G), ignore any S-PMSI A-D route that has no PTA, or whose
      PTA specifying "no tunnel information".”

[SLI] I would be in favor to introduce a normative statement here.


Fixed.

 

“We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking".  This
   differs from the "match for reception" as follows:”
[SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the “match for tracking” before giving the rules. Here you’re explaining only the rules, not the difference in the meaning. Wouldn’t it be easier to tell that the implementation MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and then run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for “match for tracking” ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your previous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, so the rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the updated one.

IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then illustrate with a couple of examples.

 
 
“   Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or
   the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be
   generated.  See Section 5.”
[SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a match for tracking as there is no tracking requested.

As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking" route for each flow.    If tracking is not requested, this route will have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  There are no unnecessary routes.

 
 
Section 4:
“Such a route could be an
       I-PMSI A-D route, a (C-*,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route, a (C-S1,C-*)
       S-PMSI A-D route, or a (C-*,C-*) S-PMSI A-D route. “
[SLI] Is per flow explicit tracking also required for I-PMSI ? I do not see it listed in the goals of the doc ? The goal was to address wildcards S-PMSI AD routes.

The above simply says that some route must specify the tunnel on which the (C-S1,C-G1) is to be transmitted, and that this route could be an I-PMSI A-D route.

 
“Further, if the ingress node originates a wildcard S-PMSI A-D

       route carrying a PTA specifying the tunnel to be used for

       carrying (C-S1,C-G1) traffic, and if that PTA has the LIR-pF bit

       set, then explicit tracking for (C-S1,C-G1) is requested by that

       S-PMSI A-D route.  Thus the ingress node SHOULD NOT originate a

       (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel

       info"; such a route would not provide any additional

       functionality.”

 

[SLI] I do not fully understand this text in the context of your procedure 1. which deals with an origination of an (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route (no wildcard). As I understand the procedure for the wildcard is defined in 2.


This just says that there's no point in originating S-PMSI(C-S,C-G) with LIR set if you've already originated S-PMSI(C-*,C-G) with LIR-pF set.  That seems to be an appropriate bit of advice.

 

 
 
 

“2. The following procedure can be used if (and only if) it is known

       that the egress nodes support the optional LIR-pF flag.”

 
I have some issue with this sentence. It does not seem to be normative as there is no normative statement. However I understand it as a critical thing (“and only if” !) so it may require at least a SHOULD.
Then the issue I see is that this knowledge does not come from the protocol, so it sounds important to me to highlight the impact of a mistake.
 
BUT, reading the section 5. I understand that it is not as critical as it seems as the receiver will ignore simply the LIR-pF flag and apply the standard procedure (LIR set).
Please clarify the criticity to have or not this knowledge.

I added some text saying that procedure 2 may yield unexpected results if not all the PEs support LIR-pF, and that the procedure SHOULD NOT be used in that case.



 
 
“       To terminate explicit tracking that has been initiated by an

       S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies a tunnel, the ingress node

       re-originates the route without the LIR flag set”

 

[SLI] Do we also need to clear the LIR-pf ? It would make sense to do so.


Fixed.

 

 

“If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the

       egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set,

       then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking,

       following procedures specified in other documents for the case

       where LIR is set.”

 

[SLI] Please state the relevant document references here.


In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not modified by this document.  I don't think it is necessary to cite a specific set of documents that discuss the LIR flag.

 

 

 

Section 5.2

 

 

“Note that, per RFC4364, every RD begins with a two-octet type field

   that is either 0, 1, or 2.  By adding 16 to the second octet of the

   RD, we force the type field to be 16, 17, or 18. “

 

[SLI] It works but we may need to ensure that the types > 16 cannot be used anymore by new applications.


There is  a registry for the Route Distinguisher Type field.  Only types 16, 17, and 18 are defined here, other values are still available.

Moreover if new RD types are created, new siblings will have to be created.


Your point is correct, but there hasn't been a new RD type in 20 years.  The draft shouldn't really say "add 16", it should just point out the new types.

Wouldn’t it be easier to set the MSB of the RD type to 1 ? so we only lock half of the type space.


I think it is easier to use three new type values than to turn one of the bits into a flag.

Or what could be the impact of using the RD of the local VRF of the egress node ?


The RD of the Leaf A-D route needs to be derived from the RD of the S-PMSI A-D route that elicits it.  Otherwise the ingress node receiving the Leaf A-D route will have diffculty matching it to the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route.

 

Section 5.3

 

“In the case where the egress

   node is not a PE, but rather an ABR or ASBR, it will not know whether

   it needs to receive a given flow unless it receives a Leaf A-D route

   whose NLRI specifies that flow and whose IP-address-specific RT

   specifies an address of the egress node.”

 

[SLI] The sentence works but when reading it I needed multiple reread to understand that the “IP-address-specific RT

   specifies an address of the egress node.” was referring to the ASBR/ABR and not the receiver PE.

Do you mind using “this egress node” or “this ABR/ASBR” ?


I tried to clarify that.

 

 

Section 8.

[SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such “attack” ? Ingress PE dropping ?


I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside the scope of the document.

 

Section 9.2

I think RFC7524 needs to be referenced as normative giving that its knowledge is required to understand section 5.3.


I'm not sure that RFC7524 should be a normative reference, as this draft does not require segmentation at the ABRs.  However, since RFC7524 is already published, there's no harm in adding it to the "normative references" section.

I think that section 5.3 is also updating/complementing the procedures in RFC7524 with the “no-tunnel info” case.


There don't seem to be any clear and objective criteria for determining whether one document "updates" another. 




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We'd like to give you the opportunity to reflect on this and let us know if you see any reason not to proceed with the standardisation process. Deadline for voicing opinions is set to the 23rd of January. -m Le 2018-01-16 à 19:51, IETF Secretariat a écrit : > Dear Ali Sajassi, John Drake, Nabil Bitar, Ravi Shekhar, Jim Uttaro, Wim Henderickx: > > > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "A > Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN" > (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and > has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights > Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3131/). 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Thu, 18 Jan 2018 02:10:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: stephane.litkowski@orange.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151627024099.10487.803719480694741920.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 02:10:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] bess - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 101 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:10:41 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Stephane Litkowski, a Chair of the bess working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: BGP Enabled ServiceS Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Stephane Litkowski Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: idr nvo3 Second Priority: spring sfc mpls pim bier pals Third Priority: i2rs l2sm People who must be present: Martin Vigoureux Alvaro Retana Stephane Litkowski Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Jan 18 03:12:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1091124207 for ; 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Is this section optional or is it just being overlooked? > 2) I found the following url for this IPR: https://www.google.com.pg/patents/US7936693. It would be good for the IPR author to explain how this CPOL is related to this draft – i.e., what section(s) of the draft is covered by this IPR as I couldn’t figure it out by glancing through it. > > Regards, > Ali > > > On 1/16/18, 1:56 PM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" wrote: > > WG, > > as you can see, an IPR disclosure was made during the IESG review phase > of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay. We'd like to give you the opportunity > to reflect on this and let us know if you see any reason not to proceed > with the standardisation process. > > Deadline for voicing opinions is set to the 23rd of January. > > -m > > Le 2018-01-16 à 19:51, IETF Secretariat a écrit : > > Dear Ali Sajassi, John Drake, Nabil Bitar, Ravi Shekhar, Jim Uttaro, Wim Henderickx: > > > > > > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "A > > Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN" > > (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and > > has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights > > Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3131/). The title of the IPR > > disclosure is "Eric Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay belonging to Chemtron Research LLC" > > > > > > Thank you > > > > IETF Secretariat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > From nobody Thu Jan 18 05:47:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1294F1241F3; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 05:47:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151628324602.31987.13673321210214245206@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 05:47:26 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:47:26 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : AC-Influenced Designated Forwarder Election for EVPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Kiran Nagaraj Senthil Sathappan Vinod Prabhu Autumn Liu Wen Lin Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2018-01-18 Abstract: The Designated Forwarder (DF) in EVPN networks is the PE responsible for sending multicast, broadcast and unknown unicast traffic to a multi-homed CE, on a given Ethernet Tag on a particular Ethernet Segment (ES). The DF is selected based on the list of PEs that advertise the Ethernet Segment Identifier (ESI) to the EVPN network. While PE node or link failures trigger the DF re-election for a given , individual Attachment Circuit (AC) or MAC-VRF failures do not trigger such DF re-election and the traffic may therefore be permanently impacted, even though there is an alternative path. This document improves the DF election algorithm so that the AC status can influence the result of the election and this type of "logical" failures can be protected too. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I need to make a correction to my previous note. From the draft: The explicit tracking procedures do not allow an ingress node to "see" past the boundaries of the segmentation domain. This particular problem is not further addressed in this revision of this document. From my previous message in this thread. [SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we now consider it as out of scope ? [ECR] I think this is actually addressed in Section 5.3, so I've removed the remark. My response is mistaken, the draft does not address this issue.  I will change the text to say "This issue is not addressed by this draft". --------------596FAF5FAE8FEAB87CDA2815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I need to make a correction to my previous note.

From the draft:
    The explicit tracking procedures do not allow an ingress node
    to "see" past the boundaries of the segmentation domain.
         
    This particular problem is not further addressed in this
    revision of this document.
From my previous message in this thread.
[SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we now consider it as out of scope ?

[ECR] I think this is actually addressed in Section 5.3, so I've removed the remark.

My response is mistaken, the draft does not address this issue.  I will change the text to say "This issue is not addressed by this draft".

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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I apologize for the delay in answering this message. On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote: > > I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03. > > The chap 5.3 of this document said: > > Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-pF > > flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged. > >    This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route > >    in response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an > >    egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D > >    route. > > The issue is as follow: > > In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a > Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is > donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will > be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then > EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with > NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT and > N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with > NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT. All > according to chap 5.2 of this document. > > Then according to chap 5.3  of this document: > > IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE of > LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. > In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "IngressABR".  So I'm not completely sure that I understand your question. > Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=0) LeafAD routes > with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? > > It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which > only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. > > Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and > installed by EgressABR, and then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus > enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation > domain” ? > The intention is the following.  Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies the following two conditions: 1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route  with the following properties: - its NLRI has wildcards for S and G, - its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE, - its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set. 2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) with PE1 as ingress PE Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18) specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1. The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longer holds. Does this answer your question? --------------FF8893B6747235258D2A1BD6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I apologize for the delay in answering this message.

On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote:

 

I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03.

 

The chap 5.3 of this document said:

 

Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-pF

flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged.

 

   This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route 

   in response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an

   egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D

   route.

 

The issue is as follow:

In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> and N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>. All according to chap 5.2 of this document.

 

Then according to chap 5.3  of this document:

IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT<IngressABR>.


In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "IngressABR".  So I'm not completely sure that I understand your question.

Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR, and then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ?


The intention is the following.  Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies the following two conditions:

1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route  with the following properties:

- its NLRI has wildcards for S and G,
- its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE,
- its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set.

2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) with PE1 as ingress PE

Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18) specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1.
The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longer holds.

Does this answer your question?


--------------FF8893B6747235258D2A1BD6-- From nobody Thu Jan 18 08:08:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A179612711D; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:08:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0INBoAvwEqVZ; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x242.google.com (mail-oi0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4AF712711B; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x242.google.com with SMTP id e144so16060715oib.4; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nLcKQHhHQyr+0pfnqoLg85aXtbtNw7bCMXNl0zbL6ow=; b=YKIMiUJycIWd7FsiKN87Mhi3+cS3XGyRv7M6yNBRFwhjKGKM3pLTpCSeZuXJcYTjPM kqZW0A8XBmdfH4TBd76JjE+SFEqvEA4RGjbhWqSczAuzr9fKZX/ALrMbgn7A89ZLFYMb Rf2pNrLJIcBiA2miIOx0HX+A6+Xb+trefVv2dJx5+KO0srhqiS6HuzNOAjDeeqrMoEn8 itPDsf9j70/M5voelsy4sqsOOsnOoXxs5SQ5vYf5h4I3minGL7yKWALG4qRhM6OSnD9d +B6lUisJXyHKp0VgrIK0734Alql36FLyECydz1WsrkaVHbc8+FlXrqX4fk7WDkAdDnx9 WFUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nLcKQHhHQyr+0pfnqoLg85aXtbtNw7bCMXNl0zbL6ow=; b=RfA6ZpEj0Ou9nfMPLA0GjZcjfso69bta50ZeN06Lfomiu8ebot2NYX6SaHSpeZa89T /iJYBbT6Bjpzb7dGvsdJWeZqRxZZmHkacXROvSioSPiii3/mol65tfF3M7P9JquEeZks aSs3y+s+9r8JPG6xrmG9ioVkgy8fpg70RHg7AY77gtq1vRBKK6F5rea4TOyx296/1jJf ieQa0cXTxBhnkXhlqqgn35thm4S+VFHWumC5y3m33fABbAN99CrSBUBS93DZlslhKuG3 zI7UjedJme0FdbeudeFTj3spTRsTrSAmBu3UECVRe05rZZ83/GugYDLYZVUDbRnTv1lx B3ew== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxyteMKyglj0CimbJG24YIlz2yIodwA54PB40pT7iA54egu15GIlxG ryaKdnx7RI/S7OK8zmZZg/qiMT7B0hoX3oilFfQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosXc307PXbSFvzioKUTfKLn5Zy0J4RDwvsHueARBdrOMrUVFyawuZmNy7619JQ73rVmIGwF3B0iWKobOEY2S5E= X-Received: by 10.202.212.199 with SMTP id l190mr3450152oig.263.1516291707772; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:08:27 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:08:27 -0800 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org Cc: bess@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, Martin Vigoureux Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113de59a9e250705630f2ce0" Archived-At: Subject: [bess] AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:08:35 -0000 --001a113de59a9e250705630f2ce0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear authors: I just finished reading this document. As with draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay, it seems to me that this document is better suited as an Applicability Statement [1] instead of a Technical Specification -- both would result in a Standards Track document. It is hard for me to clearly identify what this document is specifying, vs explaining how to use existing mechanisms (already specified elsewhere) to achieve the DCI. I don't want to dig too deep into this point, but it would be nice if you at least considered refocusing the text. I do have some more comments below. I'll wait for an updated draft before starting the IETF Last Call. Thanks! Alvaro. [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3.2 Major: M1. I don't feel too good about using Normative Language to describe the requirements (2.1 and 3.1) because the normative part of this document should be the solution itself, not the requirements (which the solution will then solve). As I read the requirements, with the Normative Language in them, there are questions that come up, which wouldn't be there if rfc2119 keywords were not used. M1.1. There's an important use of the words "supported" and "implemented", what do they mean from a Normative point of view? Are you using them from the point of view of the operator implementing something in their network, or the solution (the software feature) including them? How do you Normatively enforce that? Some examples of their use are: "Per-service load balancing MUST be supported. Per-flow load balancing MAY be supported..." (2.1), "The following optimizations MAY be supported..." (2.1), "Multi-homing MUST be supported. Single-active multi-homing with per-service load balancing MUST be implemented. All-active multi-homing, i.e. per-flow load-balancing, SHOULD be implemented as long as the technology deployed in the WAN supports it" (3.1). In summary, I think that the requirements would be better served with non-rfc2119 language. M1.2. The use of "MUST be supported" doesn't stop when talking about the requirements: M1.2.1. In 2.4: "As already discussed, single-active multi-homing, i.e. per-service load-balancing multi-homing MUST be supported in this type of interconnect." Assuming you take off the Normative Language in 2.1, take out "as already discussed"... M1.2.2. In 2.5: "The following features MAY be supported..." I'm assuming "MAY" is used here because the optimizations are optional; saying so would be better as some of the descriptions in the sub-sections include other Normative Language. M1.2.2. In 2.3 an option exists...but in both cases "MUST be supported" is used. As I asked above, what does this mean from the enforcement of the Normative Language point of view? If we think about interoperability, then maybe a more prescriptive sentence would work better. Suggestion: s/the provisioning of the VCID for such PW MUST be supported on the MAC-VRF/the VCID MUST be provisioned... M1.2.3. In 3.2.2./3.3.2: "Single-active multi-homing MUST be supported on the GWs." ... M1.2.4. 3.4.3/3.5.2: "Single-active as well as all-active multi-homing MUST be supported." M2. From 2.5.3: "Individual AC/PW failures MAY be detected by OAM mechanisms." The "MAY" seems to just be stating a fact; s/MAY/may M2.1. The two "MAYs" in the bullets following the "for instance" seem out of place too. If the intent is to just list two possibilities (examples) then the "MAYs" should not be Normative. M3. Security Considerations. Please see my note above about thinking that this document is more appropriate to be an Applicability Statement (than a Technical Specification). The Security Considerations section basically directs the reader to existing work. I would like to see a statement (for the benefit of the security reviewers) along the lines of: "This document defines...as a result there are no new security considerations." Note that considering this document a Technical Specification by definition it means it adds something -- so please focus on that here. M4. References: The reference to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay should be Normative. Minor: P1. The "Conventions and Terminology" (Section 5) should be moved to the front of the document. P2. Please add references to VPLS, EVPN, VXLAN, 802.1q/ag, etc, etc. on first mention. All these technologies are important in understanding the document, but only some are properly referenced later. Ideally, there would be a reference when a mayor technology is mentioned (specially the first time) and when other important features are mentioned and assumed -- for example: in "Even if optimized BGP techniques like RT-constraint are used..." it would be nice to put a reference to RT-constraint. It's all about the completeness of the document... P2.1. In 2.3: "the usual MPLS procedures between GW and WAN Edge router"; a reference here would be nice. P3. Please use the template in rfc8174, instead of the one in rfc2119. P4. In 3.4.1, I can't really parse this text: "Normally each GW will setup one (two) BGP EVPN session(s) to the DC RR(s) and one(two) session(s) to the WAN RR(s)." Specifically the "one (two)" part. P5. The IANA Considerations section is empty [ https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-9.1]. Nits: N1. I know that many of the abbreviations are well-known by now, but please expand as needed, specially in the first few sections to give the readers a better idea of the content. Note that PBB and VPLS are in the "RFC Editor Abbreviations List" [2], but, surprisingly EVPN is not. [Note to self/shepherd: ask the RFC Editor to add EVPN when this document gets to them.] N1.1. Figure 2 includes "EVPN-Ovl", which is not expanded or explained anywhere. I'm guessing this is just a general EVPN-Overlay, but the reader shouldn't have to guess. N2. Section 4 doesn't exist. N3. 3.4.1: "Optionally, different I-ESI values MAY be configured..." "Optionally...MAY" is redundant. [2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt --001a113de59a9e250705630f2ce0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dear authors:

I just finished reading this document.

As = with draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay, it seems to me that this document is bet= ter suited as an Applicability Statement [1] instead of a Technical Specifi= cation -- both would result in a Standards Track document.=C2=A0 It is hard= for me to clearly identify what this document is specifying, vs explaining= how to use existing mechanisms (already specified elsewhere) to achieve th= e DCI.=C2=A0 I don't want to dig too deep into this point, but it would= be nice if you at least considered refocusing the text.

I do have some more comments below.=C2=A0 I'll wait for an u= pdated draft before starting the IETF Last Call.

Thanks!

Alvaro.



Major:

M1. I don't f= eel too good about using Normative Language to describe the requirements (2= .1 and 3.1) because the normative part of this document should be the solut= ion itself, not the requirements (which the solution will then solve).=C2= =A0 As I read the requirements, with the Normative Language in them, there = are questions that come up, which wouldn't be there if rfc2119 keywords= were not used.

M1.1. There's an important= use of the words "supported" and "implemented", what d= o they mean from a Normative point of view?=C2=A0 Are you using them from t= he point of view of the operator implementing something in their network, o= r the solution (the software feature) including them?=C2=A0 How do you Norm= atively enforce that?=C2=A0 Some examples of their use are: "Per-servi= ce load balancing MUST be supported. Per-flow load balancing MAY be support= ed..." (2.1), "The following optimizations MAY be supported...&qu= ot; (2.1), "Multi-homing MUST be supported. Single-active multi-homing= with per-service load balancing MUST be implemented. All-active multi-homi= ng, i.e. per-flow load-balancing, SHOULD be implemented as long as the tech= nology deployed in the WAN supports it" (3.1).=C2=A0 In summary, I thi= nk that the requirements would be better served with non-rfc2119 language.<= /font>

M1.2. The use of "MUST be supported"= doesn't stop when talking about the requirements:

M1.2.1. In 2.4: "As already discussed, single-active multi-h= oming, i.e. per-service load-balancing multi-homing MUST be supported in th= is type of interconnect." =C2=A0Assuming you take off the Normative La= nguage in 2.1, take out "as already discussed"... =C2=A0

M1.2.2. In 2.5: "The following features MAY be su= pported..." =C2=A0I'm assuming "MAY" is used here becaus= e the optimizations are optional; saying so would be better as some of the = descriptions in the sub-sections include other Normative Language.

M1.2.2. In 2.3 an option exists...but in both cases &q= uot;MUST be supported" is used.=C2=A0 As I asked above, what does this= mean from the enforcement of the Normative Language point of view? If we t= hink about interoperability, then maybe a more prescriptive sentence would = work better.=C2=A0 Suggestion: s/the provisioning of the VCID for such PW M= UST be supported on the MAC-VRF/the VCID MUST be provisioned...







=
=
P2. Please add references to VPLS, EVPN, VXLAN, 802.1q/ag,= etc, etc. on first mention.=C2=A0 All these technologies are important in = understanding the document, but only some are properly referenced later.=C2= =A0 Ideally, there would be a reference when a mayor technology is mentione= d (specially the first time) and when other important features are mentione= d and assumed -- for example: in "Even if optimized BGP techniques lik= e RT-constraint are used..." it would be nice to put a reference to RT= -constraint. =C2=A0 It's all about the completeness of the document...<= /font>

P2.1. In 2.3: "the usual MPLS procedures = between GW and WAN Edge router"; a reference here would be nice.

<= font face=3D"Helvetica">P3. Please use the template in rfc8174, instead of = the one in rfc2119.

P4. In 3.4.1, I can't = really parse this text: "Normally each GW will setup one (two) BGP EVP= N session(s) to the DC RR(s) and one(two) session(s) to the WAN RR(s)."= ; =C2=A0Specifically the "one (two)" part.



Nits:=

N1. I know that many of the abbreviations are well-k= nown by now, but please expand as needed, specially in the first few sectio= ns to give the readers a better idea of the content.=C2=A0 Note that PBB an= d VPLS are in the "RFC Editor Abbreviations List" [2], but, surpr= isingly EVPN is not. =C2=A0[Note to self/shepherd: ask the RFC Editor to ad= d EVPN when this document gets to them.]

N1.1.= Figure 2 includes "EVPN-Ovl", which is not expanded or explained= anywhere.=C2=A0 I'm guessing this is just a general EVPN-Overlay, but = the reader shouldn't have to guess.

N2. Se= ction 4 doesn't exist.

N3. 3.4.1: "= Optionally, different I-ESI values MAY be configured..." =C2=A0"O= ptionally...MAY" is redundant.

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= --001a113de59a9e250705630f2ce0-- From nobody Thu Jan 18 11:26:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990F212D7ED for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T7qm3smlUs5P for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 399B8129C6C for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w0IJQN7V030307; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:26:23 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([193.56.245.77]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w0IJQIbu030250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:26:19 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Martin Vigoureux'" , "'Ali Sajassi \(sajassi\)'" , References: <151612866892.27519.6459733720238050913@ietfa.amsl.com> <5432d82f-376a-41d6-0bb0-da7ed25f8452@nokia.com> <8bbca32c-ea4e-2a1c-6fb2-aacc6d79a567@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <8bbca32c-ea4e-2a1c-6fb2-aacc6d79a567@nokia.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:26:13 -0000 Message-ID: <016001d39092$35be1130$a13a3390$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQIRlaGLROjvBrWpqDjBpXtlG1f4vgHIPiHrAYJo0OYCembu1aLP0HCw X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.2.0.1013-23606.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--23.015-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--23.015-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: hls5oAVArl/aP5gF0FyxhZN3sInxtjDTt3aeg7g/usAutoY2UtFqGPHL 8fkEbKvixl17vyw6VOLBrg8XcvTI5zkyiUp5VknncFEiuPxHjsV+Mk6ACsw4JnoUz5ARuHjR2zU IfORoaiLejz60jbDP+02vTymnH9dmLdFpVtbOxGntHOPUstKzCfa/bRHEsPI3sWMUi6wFUyzdLl 0sS0nlz0FLaJMiMk4cuhYk0rmkjp+l9rOTXnOopVoS15Sc+1wzh8Ytn75ClDMheGJy0E+iq0mo/ dTHVEVRAAsYDqJRpmUFzmXTkU7qqxgHZ8655DOPgxsfzkNRlfKx5amWK2anSPoLR4+zsDTtAqYB E3k9Mpw= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] IPR Disclosure Eric Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay belonging to Chemtron Research LLC X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:26:31 -0000 Martin is right. OTOH Asking questions is legal. However, answering them is optional. A > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin = Vigoureux > Sent: 18 January 2018 11:12 > To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi); bess@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [bess] IPR Disclosure Eric Rescorla's Statement about IPR = related to > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay belonging to Chemtron Research LLC >=20 > Ali, >=20 > licensing information is optional, as well as specifying which section > of the document is affected by the patent(s). >=20 > regards, > Martin >=20 > Le 2018-01-18 =C3=A0 2:17, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) a =C3=A9crit : > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > I have the following two questions: > > 1) The disclosed IPR doesn=E2=80=99t have the licensing declaration = section filled up. Is > this section optional or is it just being overlooked? > > 2) I found the following url for this IPR: > https://www.google.com.pg/patents/US7936693. It would be good for the = IPR > author to explain how this CPOL is related to this draft =E2=80=93 = i.e., what section(s) of > the draft is covered by this IPR as I couldn=E2=80=99t figure it out = by glancing through it. > > > > Regards, > > Ali > > > > > > On 1/16/18, 1:56 PM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote: > > > > WG, > > > > as you can see, an IPR disclosure was made during the IESG = review phase > > of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay. We'd like to give you the = opportunity > > to reflect on this and let us know if you see any reason not to = proceed > > with the standardisation process. > > > > Deadline for voicing opinions is set to the 23rd of January. > > > > -m > > > > Le 2018-01-16 =C3=A0 19:51, IETF Secretariat a =C3=A9crit : > > > Dear Ali Sajassi, John Drake, Nabil Bitar, Ravi Shekhar, Jim = Uttaro, Wim > Henderickx: > > > > > > > > > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft = entitled "A > > > Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN" > > > (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay) was submitted to the IETF = Secretariat on > and > > > has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property = Rights > > > Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3131/). The = title of the IPR > > > disclosure is "Eric Rescorla's Statement about IPR related to > > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay belonging to Chemtron Research = LLC" > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > IETF Secretariat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BESS mailing list > > > BESS@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess From nobody Thu Jan 18 18:51:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E55129BBF for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:51:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i28eXhc_YZFX for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DB9E120047 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 140FB6FFD7B78 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:51:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:51:17 +0000 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Fri, 19 Jan 2018 10:51:06 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: Eric C Rosen , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 Thread-Index: AdN6NEanDCpPv20UQYKcimcePljNRgV/IaUAACeELtA= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:51:06 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A13C38@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A06375@nkgeml514-mbs.china.huawei.com> <8e57623a-2644-94e0-bc77-3138df4014f2@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <8e57623a-2644-94e0-bc77-3138df4014f2@juniper.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A13C38nkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:51:22 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A13C38nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Issue clarification: According to chap 5.2 of this document: In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S= -PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is donated as SPMS= I(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag unt= ouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,In= gressPE,EgressPE) and RT, and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(= type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT. Then according to chap 5.3 of this document: EgressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route. I guess, the said "a Leaf A-D route" should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2= RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. Then how should EgressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NL= RI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only = clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by= EgressABR ? And then 'relay' back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit trac= king inside the ingress "segmentation domain" ? Question clarification: (1) Should such LeafAD routes with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and ins= talled by EgressABR ? This draft does not describe this. (2) If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD type 16/17/18) be installed by= EgressABR, then according to your answer, the Leaf A-D routes (with RT cha= nged) will be 'relay' back to IngressPE. Right? This draft does not descri= be this either. (3) If the above two are correct, then We can use PTA in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can't be used in Segmented P-tunnels= scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, LIR-pF Flag is used only when non = segmented P-tunnels are used. Thanks. XieJingrong From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM To: Xiejingrong ; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 I apologize for the delay in answering this message. On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote: I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03. The chap 5.3 of this document said: Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged. This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route in response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route. The issue is as follow: In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S= -PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is donated as SPMS= I(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressA= BR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE Lea= fAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT= and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,Egres= sPE) and RT. All according to chap 5.2 of this document. Then according to chap 5.3 of this document: IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE of LeafAD(= type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "IngressABR". So = I'm not completely sure that I understand your question. Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with N= LRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only = clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by= EgressABR, and then 'relay' back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE e= xplicit tracking inside the ingress "segmentation domain" ? The intention is the following. Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies the f= ollowing two conditions: 1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route with the following properties: - its NLRI has wildcards for S and G, - its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE, - its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set. 2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) = with PE1 as ingress PE Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18)= specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1. The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longe= r holds. Does this answer your question? --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A13C38nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Issue c= larification:

According to chap 5.2 of this document:

In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] t= opology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  SPMSI= (type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE).

This SPMSI route will be relayed by Egr= essABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched.

Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD = route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>, and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<= 16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>.

 

Then according to chap 5.3  of thi= s document:

EgressABR will only send a Leaf A-D rou= te.

I guess, the said “a Leaf A-D rou= te” should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressA= BR) with RT<EgressABR>.

&n= bsp;

Then how should EgressABR deal with the= the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,Ingres= sPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. = See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such LeafAD route with type<1= 6/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR ?

And then ‘relay’ back to In= gressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ?

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Questio= n clarification:

(1)     Should such LeafA= D routes with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR= ?  This draft does not des= cribe this.

(2)     If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD type 16/17/18) be instal= led by EgressABR, then according to your answer, the Leaf A-D routes (with = RT changed) will be ‘relay’ back to IngressPE. Right?  This draft does not describe this either.

(3)     If the above two are correct, then We can use PTA<type=3DNoTnlInfo, fla= g=3DLIR+LIRpF> in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But <draft-ietf-b= ier-mvpn-09> seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can’t be used in Segmented P-tunnels scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, LIR-pF= Flag is used only when non segmented P-tunnels are used.=

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Thanks.=

XieJing= rong

&n= bsp;

From: Eric C Rose= n [mailto:erosen@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03

 

I apologize for the delay in answering this = message.<= /span>

On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingr= ong wrote:

 

I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvp= n-expl-track-03.

 =

The chap 5.3 of this document said:

 =

Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunne= l info", the LIR and LIR-pF

flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged.=

 =

   This will ensure that an e= gress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route 

   in response to a "mat= ch for tracking" if it is on the path to an

   egress PE for the flow(s) = identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D=

   route.

 =

The issue is as follow:

In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] t= opology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  SPMSI= (type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by Eg= ressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then EgressPE will generate ON= E LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<1= 6/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>. All accordin= g to chap 5.2 of this document.

 =

Then according to chap 5.3  of thi= s document:

IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D ro= ute, It should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR= ) with RT<IngressABR>.


In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "In= gressABR".  So I'm not completely sure that I understand your que= stion.


Then how should IngressABR deal with th= e the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,Ingre= ssPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. = See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such LeafAD route with type<1= 6/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR, and then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE expl= icit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ?=


The intention is the following.  Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies = the following two conditions:

1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route  with the following properties= :

- its NLRI has wildcards for S and G,
- its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE,
- its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set.

2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) = with PE1 as ingress PE

Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18)= specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1.
The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longe= r holds.

Does this answer your question?

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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senthil Sathappan Wim Henderickx Ali Sajassi John Drake Filename : draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2018-01-22 Abstract: This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnection and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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boundary="94eb2c0566c4cd898a056366e1aa" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 00:46:53 -0000 --94eb2c0566c4cd898a056366e1aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I have a question about the following paragraph in this draft: >>> The solution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC' route which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs. This route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to 00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is set to the DC GW's I-ESI. >>> How does an ingress NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA that is reachable (but perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MAC DA that is reachable in a remote DC? In the first case, the correct action would be to replicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming packet's VN; in the second case the correct action is to unicast it to the DC GW. Is this assumption that the DC GW will then take over the job of replicating to the NVEs within the DC? It would be good if some clarification can be added to the document. Thanks, Anoop On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. > > Title : Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks > Authors : Jorge Rabadan > Senthil Sathappan > Wim Henderickx > Ali Sajassi > John Drake > Filename : draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2018-01-22 > > Abstract: > This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can > be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the > layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes > the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private > Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as > Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider > Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how > the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnection > and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, > this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways > (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well > as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, > and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on > Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --94eb2c0566c4cd898a056366e1aa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a question about the following paragraph in this dr= aft:
>>>
   The so=
lution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC' route
   which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs.  This
   route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC
   Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to
   00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is
   set to the DC GW's I-ESI.
>>>
How= does an ingress NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA that is = reachable (but perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MAC DA that= is reachable in a remote DC?=C2=A0 In the first case, the correct action w= ould be to replicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming packet= 9;s VN; in the second case the correct action is to unicast it to the DC GW= .=C2=A0 Is this assumption that the DC GW will then take over the job of re= plicating to the NVEs within the DC?

It would be g= ood if some clarification can be added to the document.

Thanks,
Anoop

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM, <<= a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-draft= s@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Jorg= e Rabadan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Senthil Sathappan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wim Henderickx
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ali Sajassi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John Drake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 27
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2018-01-22

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (N= VO) can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution a= nalyzes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual = Private
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, = such as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provi= der
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also descri= bes how
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnec= tion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In parti= cular,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gatew= ays
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, a= s well
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-h= oming,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06
https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06

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https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?= url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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I'm struggling to understand the example. When would all the MACs be learned in control/management plane _and_ BGP EVPN be in use in the DC? In the normal case, if I'm using a controller in the DC with the NVEs in the servers, then there is no benefit to running EVPN in the DC. And if I'm running EVPN in the DC, the common case (only case currently deployed?) is where MACs are learned from the data path at the NVEs and imported into BGP for transport to other NVEs, so I wouldn't satisfy the requirement for all MACs being learned in the control/management plane. Is there a use case I am missing? Thanks, Anoop On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:54 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) wrote: > Hi Annop, > > > > This paragraph intended to clarify that (in the same section): > > > > This document proposes that local policy determines whether MAC > > addresses and/or the Unknown MAC route are advertised into a given > > DC. As an example, when all the DC MAC addresses are learned in the > > control/management plane, it may be appropriate to advertise only the > > Unknown MAC route. > > > > Is it not enough? > > > > Thank you. > > Jorge > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani < > anoop@alumni.duke.edu> > *Date: *Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 1:47 AM > *To: *"bess@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > > > > I have a question about the following paragraph in this draft: > > >>> > > The solution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC' route > > which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs. This > > route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC > > Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to > > 00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is > > set to the DC GW's I-ESI. > > >>> > > How does an ingress NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA that > is reachable (but perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MAC DA > that is reachable in a remote DC? In the first case, the correct action > would be to replicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming packet's > VN; in the second case the correct action is to unicast it to the DC GW. > Is this assumption that the DC GW will then take over the job of > replicating to the NVEs within the DC? > > > > It would be good if some clarification can be added to the document. > > > > Thanks, > > Anoop > > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. > > Title : Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks > Authors : Jorge Rabadan > Senthil Sathappan > Wim Henderickx > Ali Sajassi > John Drake > Filename : draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2018-01-22 > > Abstract: > This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can > be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the > layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes > the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private > Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as > Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider > Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how > the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnection > and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, > this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways > (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well > as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, > and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on > Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > --94eb2c0663f82aa12605637b2c03 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Jorge.

I'm struggling to und= erstand the example.=C2=A0 When would all the MACs be learned in control/ma= nagement plane _and_ BGP EVPN be in use in the DC?=C2=A0 In the normal case= , if I'm using a controller in the DC with the NVEs in the servers, the= n there is no benefit to running EVPN in the DC.=C2=A0 And if I'm runni= ng EVPN in the DC, the common case (only case currently deployed?) is where= MACs are learned from the data path at the NVEs and imported into BGP for = transport to other NVEs, so I wouldn't satisfy the requirement for all = MACs being learned in the control/management plane.

Is there a use case I am missing?

Thanks,
<= div>Anoop

On= Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:54 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <= span dir=3D"ltr"><jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Annop,

=C2=A0

This paragraph = intended to clarify that (in the same section):

=C2=A0

This document proposes that local policy deter= mines whether MAC

=C2=A0=C2=A0 addresses and/or the Unknown MAC = route are advertised into a given

=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC. As an example, when all the D= C MAC addresses are learned in the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 control/management plane, it may = be appropriate to advertise only the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Unknown MAC route.<= /span>

=C2=A0

Is it not enoug= h?

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Jorge=

=C2=A0

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org&= gt; on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 1:47 AM
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overla= y-06.txt

=C2=A0

I have a question about the following paragrap= h in this draft:

>>>=C2=A0

=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 The solution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC=
9; route
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs.=C2=
=A0 This
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC<=
u>
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to=

=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 set to the DC GW's I-ESI.

>>>=C2=A0

How does an ingre= ss NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA that is reachable (but= perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MAC DA that is reachable in a remote DC?=C2=A0 In the first case, the correct action would be to re= plicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming packet's VN; in th= e second case the correct action is to unicast it to the DC GW.=C2=A0 Is th= is assumption that the DC GW will then take over the job of replicating to the NVEs within the DC?

=C2=A0<= /u>

It would be good = if some clarification can be added to the document.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Thanks,=

Anoop

=C2=A0<= /u>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2= 018 at 1:11 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org&= gt; wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Jorg= e Rabadan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Senthil Sathappan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wim Henderickx
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ali Sajassi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John Drake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 27
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2018-01-22

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (N= VO) can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution a= nalyzes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual = Private
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, = such as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provi= der
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also descri= bes how
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnec= tion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In parti= cular,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gatew= ays
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, a= s well
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-h= oming,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf= -bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06<= span>

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?u= rl2=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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--94eb2c0663f82aa12605637b2c03-- From nobody Tue Jan 23 23:25:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BD512D892; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WhOwFuDIWFf4; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta135.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4D8212D847; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.71]) by opfednr20.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 26CB940E46; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:25:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.60]) by opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id EB5A81C0091; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:25:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM7F.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::c1d7:e278:e357:11ad%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:25:14 +0100 From: To: Eric C Rosen , "draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track.authors@ietf.org" , "Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)" CC: "bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track Thread-Index: AdN5jsmXDQSoAwXXRoKBWZf9DikTzQVT/Z4AASHiCBA= Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:25:13 +0000 Message-ID: <18410_1516778715_5A6834DB_18410_457_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB2C31D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <7712_1514984470_5A4CD416_7712_401_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB01322@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB2C31DOPEXCLILMA4corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:25:22 -0000 --_004_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB2C31DOPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB2C31DOPEXCLILMA4corp_" --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB2C31DOPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, Andrew Thanks a lot for the updates done. Here are more comments. Overall comments: - Please add a section that contains all the abbreviations expansi= ons: that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms without looking= for the first reference in the text. [Eric] This is not generally required of an RFC. ad> just to add, a reader should have read other RFCs first before reading = this which I believe define abbreviations we use. If you can point to any s= pecific abbreviation never explained we can spell out words before abbrevia= ting for the first tie in the text. [SLI2] I agree that people should have read other RFCs...but we are all her= e to create documents that are easy to read/understand and some reminders a= re always helpful. Expanding abbreviations at first use is a good thing and= thanks for having done that, but it is usually helpful in addition to have= a dedicated a section with the abbreviation expansion consolidated. I do n= ot thing that it is a huge work. - I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wonderful to bu= ild a figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedure. So withou= t reading the text, we can remember how it works. - The interAS case may also be better with a Figure and an example= (or couples of). [Eric] This seems like a matter of taste. Admitedly, I'd probably like fig= ures more if I had any skill in producing them ;-) [SLI2] I agree that ASCII art is a pain but unfortunately RFCs do not allow= JPEG or PNG yet :) Let me help on that. Please find attach some pictures that you may be able = to use and tune. "The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA specifies "no tunnel info"." [SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on explicit = tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applies her= e. [Eric] RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but d= id not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA. T= his document corrects that. [SLI2] My point was that RFC6625 does not specify anything regarding explic= it tracking while your sentence says "do not clearly state". In reality, i= t does not state anything about how explicit tracking works for wildcard ro= utes. "If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA SHOULD also be set." [SLI] Why not using a MUST ? [Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as = intended even if the LIR flag is not set. So I don't think a MUST is appro= priate. [SLI2] Ok so do we really care of having the LIR flag set ? If not, couldn'= t be a MAY ? I'm just wondering how important is to set the LIR-flag here. = It seems to be linked to the next sentence between parenthesis. I understand that setting both allows to always have a response (per flow o= r not per flow). Can we see this as an optional feature ? Section3: [SLI2] s/"There are other RFCS that update"/"There are other RFCs that upda= te" "We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking". This differs from the "match for reception" as follows:" [SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the "match for tracking" b= efore giving the rules. Here you're explaining only the rules, not the diff= erence in the meaning. Wouldn't it be easier to tell that the implementatio= n MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-p= F flag set and then run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to h= ave S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for "match for = tracking" ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your= previous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, = so the rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the up= dated one. [Eric] IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then = illustrate with a couple of examples. [SLI2] You are right, I'm just challenging the fact that the text says that= it will explain how the match for tracking differs from the match from rec= eption but it does not. It's the job of the reader to deduce the difference= from the rule you are giving. Two options: - Change the sentence 'This differs from...' by something like: "T= he match for tracking route SHOULD be found as follows:" - Add a sentence at the end like: "Compared to the match for recep= tion procedure, the match for tracking procedure takes into account S-PMSI = A-D routes whose PTA specifies "no tunnel information" with either LIR or L= IR-pf set" " Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be generated. See Section 5." [SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a match f= or tracking as there is no tracking requested. [Eric] As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking" rou= te for each flow. If tracking is not requested, this route will have LIR= and LIR-pF clear. There are no unnecessary routes. [SLI2] Agree, but based on my understanding such a route (with LIR and LIR-= pF clear) cannot be a match for tracking by definition : "ignore any S-PMSI= A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel information", but does not have either LIR or LIR-pF Set" So the statement "if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or th= e LIR-pF flag set" is IMO wrong. "If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set, then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking, following procedures specified in other documents for the case where LIR is set." [SLI] Please state the relevant document references here. [Eric] In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not mod= ified by this document. I don't think it is necessary to cite a specific s= et of documents that discuss the LIR flag. ad> maybe we can say "the procedures specified in this document do not appl= y are not applicable on the egress node" instead of "then the egress node..= ." [SLI2] That's a good proposal Moreover if new RD types are created, new siblings will have to be created. [Eric] Your point is correct, but there hasn't been a new RD type in 20 yea= rs. The draft shouldn't really say "add 16", it should just point out the = new types. [SLI2] I agree, but this may happen or not. I do not know if it is possible= or not but can we have an IANA point telling that any new RD type allocati= on should in reality allocate two RD type values. My goal is to have an aut= omated way of allocating the sibling RD type for this use case and prevent = a miss of allocation if a new RD type is defined. I'm also wondering if we really need to differentiate the reply to a LIR-pF= and to a LIR. The key point is for the ingress to know about the receivers= for a particular (S,G). If the reply comes from a LIR or LIR-pF, IMO, it d= oes not really matter. Is it ? "However, if the PTA of the installed S-PMSI A-D route specifies "no tunnel info", the egress ABR/ASBR MUST pass the PTA along unchanged when it forwards the S-PMSI A-D route. (That is, a PTA specifying "no tunnel info" MUST NOT be changed into a PTA specifying a tunnel.) Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR- pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged." [SLI]Could you confirm that in case of SPMSI merging to IPMSI, the SPMSI ro= ute is not forwarded. I'm not fully familiar with interAS segmented case, but I have another (pos= sibly dumb) question. Is a merge case SPMSI regular (S,G) to SPMSI wildcard= possible ? (in a similar way as SPMSI to IPMSI). If yes, what are the proc= edures here ? Section 8. [SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such "attack" ? Ingress PE droppi= ng ? [Eric] I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside = the scope of the document. [SLI2] Fine, could you please state this in the security section ? From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 17:29 To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track.authors@i= etf.org Cc: bess@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track Thanks for your review. I have posted revision -04 which I believe address= es your substantive comments. On 1/3/2018 8:01 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: Hi, As shepherd of this document, please find below some comments that I have: Overall comments: - Please add a section that contains all the abbreviations expansi= ons: that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms without looking= for the first reference in the text. This is not generally required of an RFC. - I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wonderful to bu= ild a figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedure. So withou= t reading the text, we can remember how it works. - The interAS case may also be better with a Figure and an example= (or couples of). This seems like a matter of taste. Admitedly, I'd probably like figures mo= re if I had any skill in producing them ;-) Introduction: "By originating one of these BGP routes, an ingress node advertises that it is transmitting a particular multicast flow." [SLI] Is "is transmitting" correct ? Can't we have situations where an S-PM= SI route is/was advertised but no traffic is flowing (no yet started or swi= tched, or stopped). Fixed. "Now suppose that the ingress node wants explicit tracking for each individual flow that it transmits (following the procedures of [RFC6625] on that P-tunnel." [SLI] Missing ")" Fixed. "This allows the ingress node to determine the set of egress nodes that are receiving flows from the ingress node." [SLI] I think the Leaf A-D tells that there is a receiver interested by the= flow, but does not tell that it actually receives it. Correct; fixed. " Howver, this procedure requires several clarifications:" [SLI] There is a typo s/Howver/However/ Fixed. "The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA specifies "no tunnel info"." [SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on explicit = tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applies her= e. RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but did not = consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA. This doc= ument corrects that. " * The explicit tracking procedures do not allow an ingress node to "see" past the boundaries of the segmentation domain. This particular problem is not further addressed in this revision of this document. " [SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we now consider it as out of scope ? I think this is actually addressed in Section 5.3, so I've removed the rema= rk. Section 2: "Prior specifications define one flag in the PTA, the "Leaf Info Required" (LIR) flag, that is used for explicit tracking." [SLI] Please point to the right reference Fixed. "If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA SHOULD also be set." [SLI] Why not using a MUST ? If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as intende= d even if the LIR flag is not set. So I don't think a MUST is appropriate. "one forces a a response to be sent an egress node that does not support LIR-pF" [SLI] Is there a missing word like 'sent by an egress node" ? Fixed. Section 3: "The definition of "match for reception" in [RFC6625] is hereby modified as follows:" [SLI] Please point to the section that you are updating. In addition, section 3.2 of RFC6625 contains multiple if then else conditio= ns for each cases (C-S,C-G) and (C-*,C-G). Please give some precision in wh= ere do you want to insert your new statement in this processing sequence. I= guess it is at the beginning. I tried to make this clearer. "When finding the "match for reception" for a given (C-S,C-G) or (C-*,C-G), ignore any S-PMSI A-D route that has no PTA, or whose PTA specifying "no tunnel information"." [SLI] I would be in favor to introduce a normative statement here. Fixed. "We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking". This differs from the "match for reception" as follows:" [SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the "match for tracking" b= efore giving the rules. Here you're explaining only the rules, not the diff= erence in the meaning. Wouldn't it be easier to tell that the implementatio= n MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-p= F flag set and then run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to h= ave S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for "match for = tracking" ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your= previous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, = so the rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the up= dated one. IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then illustr= ate with a couple of examples. " Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be generated. See Section 5." [SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a match f= or tracking as there is no tracking requested. As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking" route for = each flow. If tracking is not requested, this route will have LIR and LI= R-pF clear. There are no unnecessary routes. Section 4: "Such a route could be an I-PMSI A-D route, a (C-*,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route, a (C-S1,C-*) S-PMSI A-D route, or a (C-*,C-*) S-PMSI A-D route. " [SLI] Is per flow explicit tracking also required for I-PMSI ? I do not see= it listed in the goals of the doc ? The goal was to address wildcards S-PM= SI AD routes. The above simply says that some route must specify the tunnel on which the = (C-S1,C-G1) is to be transmitted, and that this route could be an I-PMSI A-= D route. "Further, if the ingress node originates a wildcard S-PMSI A-D route carrying a PTA specifying the tunnel to be used for carrying (C-S1,C-G1) traffic, and if that PTA has the LIR-pF bit set, then explicit tracking for (C-S1,C-G1) is requested by that S-PMSI A-D route. Thus the ingress node SHOULD NOT originate a (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel info"; such a route would not provide any additional functionality." [SLI] I do not fully understand this text in the context of your procedure = 1. which deals with an origination of an (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route (no w= ildcard). As I understand the procedure for the wildcard is defined in 2. This just says that there's no point in originating S-PMSI(C-S,C-G) with LI= R set if you've already originated S-PMSI(C-*,C-G) with LIR-pF set. That s= eems to be an appropriate bit of advice. "2. The following procedure can be used if (and only if) it is known that the egress nodes support the optional LIR-pF flag." I have some issue with this sentence. It does not seem to be normative as t= here is no normative statement. However I understand it as a critical thing= ("and only if" !) so it may require at least a SHOULD. Then the issue I see is that this knowledge does not come from the protocol= , so it sounds important to me to highlight the impact of a mistake. BUT, reading the section 5. I understand that it is not as critical as it s= eems as the receiver will ignore simply the LIR-pF flag and apply the stand= ard procedure (LIR set). Please clarify the criticity to have or not this knowledge. I added some text saying that procedure 2 may yield unexpected results if n= ot all the PEs support LIR-pF, and that the procedure SHOULD NOT be used in= that case. " To terminate explicit tracking that has been initiated by an S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies a tunnel, the ingress node re-originates the route without the LIR flag set" [SLI] Do we also need to clear the LIR-pf ? It would make sense to do so. Fixed. "If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set, then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking, following procedures specified in other documents for the case where LIR is set." [SLI] Please state the relevant document references here. In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not modified b= y this document. I don't think it is necessary to cite a specific set of d= ocuments that discuss the LIR flag. Section 5.2 "Note that, per RFC4364, every RD begins with a two-octet type field that is either 0, 1, or 2. By adding 16 to the second octet of the RD, we force the type field to be 16, 17, or 18. " [SLI] It works but we may need to ensure that the types > 16 cannot be used= anymore by new applications. There is a registry for the Route Distinguisher Type field. Only types 16= , 17, and 18 are defined here, other values are still available. Moreover if new RD types are created, new siblings will have to be created. Your point is correct, but there hasn't been a new RD type in 20 years. Th= e draft shouldn't really say "add 16", it should just point out the new typ= es. Wouldn't it be easier to set the MSB of the RD type to 1 ? so we only lock = half of the type space. I think it is easier to use three new type values than to turn one of the b= its into a flag. Or what could be the impact of using the RD of the local VRF of the egress = node ? The RD of the Leaf A-D route needs to be derived from the RD of the S-PMSI = A-D route that elicits it. Otherwise the ingress node receiving the Leaf A= -D route will have diffculty matching it to the corresponding S-PMSI A-D ro= ute. 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Hi Eric, Andrew

 

Thanks a lot for the u= pdates done.

Here are more comments= .

Overall comments:

-          Please add a section that contains all the abbreviations expansions:= that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms without looking for= the first reference in the text.

[Eric] This is not genera= lly required of an RFC.

 

ad> just to add, a reader should have read other = RFCs first before reading this which I believe define abbreviations we use.= If you can point to any specific abbreviation never explained we can spell= out words before abbreviating for the first tie in the text.

 

[SLI2] I agree that people should have read other RF= Cs…but we are all here to create documents that are easy to read/unde= rstand and some reminders are always helpful. Expanding abbreviations at fi= rst use is a good thing and thanks for having done that, but it is usually helpful in addition to have a dedicated a sec= tion with the abbreviation expansion consolidated. I do not thing that it i= s a huge work.

 

 

 

 

-     &= nbsp;    I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wo= nderful to build a figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedu= re. So without reading the text, we can remember how it works.

-     &= nbsp;    The interAS case may also be better with a Figure a= nd an example (or couples of).


[Eric] This seems like a matter of taste.  Admitedly, I'd probably lik= e figures more if I had any skill in producing them ;-)

 

[SLI2] I agree that ASCII art is a p= ain but unfortunately RFCs do not allow JPEG or PNG yet J

Let me help on that. Please find att= ach some pictures that you may be able to use and tune.

 

 

 

“The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle =
an
      S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains w=
ild cards, but its PTA
      specifies "no tunnel info".&#=
8221;
 
[SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on expl=
icit tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applie=
s here.


[Eric] RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but d= id not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA.&nb= sp; This document corrects that.

 

[SLI2] My point was th= at RFC6625 does not specify anything regarding explicit tracking while your= sentence says  “do not clearly state”. In reality, it doe= s not state anything about how explicit tracking works for wildcard routes.

 

 

 

“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that =
PTA
   SHOULD also be set.”
[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?


[Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as = intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is = appropriate.

 

[SLI2] Ok so do we rea= lly care of having the LIR flag set ? If not, couldn’t be a MAY ? I&#= 8217;m just wondering how important is to set the LIR-flag here. It seems t= o be linked to the next sentence between parenthesis.

I understand that sett= ing both allows to always have a response (per flow or not per flow). Can w= e see this as an optional feature ?

 

 

Section3:

[SLI2] s/“There =
are other RFCS that update”/“There are other RFCs that update”=

 

 

 

 

 

“We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking&qu=
ot;.  This
   differs from the "match for reception" as follo=
ws:”
[SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the “match for =
tracking” before giving the rules. Here you’re explaining only =
the rules, not the difference in the meaning. Wouldn’t it be easier t=
o tell that the implementation MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes tha=
t have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and then run the same rules as the =
RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in yo=
ur route list for “match for tracking” ? You need to take care =
here on your text proposal as one of your previous statement updates the RF=
C6625 and the match reception procedure, so the rules to be applied are the=
 original one from RFC6625 and not the updated one.


[Eric] IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then = illustrate with a couple of examples.

[SLI2] You are right, = I’m just challenging the fact that the text says that it will explain= how the match for tracking differs from the match from reception but it do= es not. It’s the job of the reader to deduce the difference from the rule you are giving.

Two options:

-&nb= sp;         Change the sen= tence ‘This differs from…’ by something like: “The = match for tracking route SHOULD be found as follows:”

-&nb= sp;         Add a sentence= at the end like: “Compared to the match for reception procedure, the= match for tracking procedure takes into account S-PMSI A-D routes whose PT= A specifies “no tunnel information” with either LIR or LIR-pf set”

 

 

 

“   Also note that if a match for tracking does not ha=
ve the LIR flag or
   the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information wil=
l be
   generated.  See Section 5.”
[SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a ma=
tch for tracking as there is no tracking requested.


[Eric] As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking= " route for each flow.    If tracking is not requested,= this route will have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  There are no unnecessary = routes.

 

[SLI2] Agree, but based on my understanding such a route (wi=
th LIR and LIR-pF clear) cannot be a match for tracking by definition : =
220;ignore any S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies

      "no tunnel information= ", but does not have either LIR or LIR-pF

      Set”

So the statement  “if a match for tracking=
 does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set” is IMO wrong.
 

 

 

“If the match for tracking has LIR se=
t and if either (a) the

     &= nbsp; egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set,=

     &= nbsp; then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking,

     &= nbsp; following procedures specified in other documents for the case=

     &= nbsp; where LIR is set.”

 

[SLI] Please state the relevant= document references here.


[Eric] In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not mod= ified by this document.  I don't think it is necessary to cite a speci= fic set of documents that discuss the LIR flag.

ad> maybe we can say “the procedures specified in this document do= not apply are not applicable on the egress node” instead of “t= hen the egress node…”

 

   &nbs= p;            [SLI2]= That’s a good proposal

 

 

 

Moreover if new RD types ar= e created, new siblings will have to be created.


[Eric] Your point is correct, but there hasn't been a new RD type in 20 yea= rs.  The draft shouldn't really say "add 16", it should just= point out the new types.
[SLI2] I agree, but this may happen or= not. I do not know if it is possible or not but can we have an IANA point = telling that any new RD type allocation should in reality allocate two RD t= ype values. My goal is to have an automated way of allocating the sibling RD type for this use case and prev= ent a miss of allocation if a new RD type is defined.

I’m also wonderi= ng if we really need to differentiate the reply to a LIR-pF and to a LIR. T= he key point is for the ingress to know about the receivers for a particula= r (S,G). If the reply comes from a LIR or LIR-pF, IMO, it does not really matter. Is it ?

 

 

“However, if the PTA of the installed S-PMSI A-=
D route specifies "no

   tunnel info", the egress ABR/ASBR MUST p= ass the PTA along unchanged

   when it forwards the S-PMSI A-D route.  = (That is, a PTA specifying

   "no tunnel info" MUST NOT be change= d into a PTA specifying a tunnel.)

   Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tu= nnel info", the LIR and LIR-

   pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unch= anged.”

 

[SLI]Could you confirm that in case of SPMSI merging to IP= MSI, the SPMSI route is not forwarded.

I’m not fully familiar with interAS segmented case, = but I have another (possibly dumb) question. Is a merge case SPMSI regular = (S,G) to SPMSI wildcard possible ? (in a similar way as SPMSI to IPMSI). If yes, what are the procedures here ?

 

 

 

 

Section 8.

[SLI] Do we have counter-me= asures against such “attack” ? Ingress PE dropping ?


[Eric] I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside = the scope of the document.<= /span>

[SLI2] Fine, could you= please state this in the security section ?

 

 

 

From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 17:29
To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track.authors@ietf.org
Cc: bess@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track

 

Thanks for your revie= w.  I have posted revision -04 which I believe addresses your substant= ive comments.

On 1/3/2018 8:01 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:

Hi,

 

As shepherd of this document, please find below some= comments that I have:

 

Overall comments:

-     &= nbsp;    Please add a section that contains all the abbrevia= tions expansions: that may help non expert people to follow the acronyms wi= thout looking for the first reference in the text.


This is not generally required of an RFC.


-     &= nbsp;    I usually like figures. For the intro, it may be wo= nderful to build a figure that reminds the existing S-PMSI/Leaf A-D procedu= re. So without reading the text, we can remember how it works.

-     &= nbsp;    The interAS case may also be better with a Figure a= nd an example (or couples of).


This seems like a matter of taste.  Admitedly, I'd probably like figur= es more if I had any skill in producing them ;-)


 

Introduction:

“By originating one of these BGP routes, an ingress node adverti=
ses that

   it is transmit= ting a particular multicast flow.”

[SLI] Is “is transmitting” correct ? Can= ’t we have situations where an S-PMSI route is/was advertised but no = traffic is flowing (no yet started or switched, or stopped).


Fixed.


 

“Now
   suppose that the ingress node wants explicit tracking for=
 each
   individual flow that it transmits (following the procedur=
es of
   [RFC6625] on that P-tunnel.”
[SLI] Missing “)”


Fixed.


 
 
“This allows the
   ingress node to determine the set of egress nodes that ar=
e receiving
   flows from the ingress node.”
[SLI] I think the Leaf A-D tells that there is a receiver interested b=
y the flow, but does not tell that it actually receives it.


Correct; fixed.


 
 
“   Howver, this procedure requires several clarificat=
ions:”
[SLI] There is a typo s/Howver/However/


Fixed.


 
“The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle =
an
      S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains w=
ild cards, but its PTA
      specifies "no tunnel info".&#=
8221;
 
[SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on expl=
icit tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applie=
s here.


RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but did not = consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA.  Thi= s document corrects that.


 
 
“   *  The explicit tracking procedures do not al=
low an ingress node
         to "see" pa=
st the boundaries of the segmentation domain.
 
         This particular probl=
em is not further addressed in this
         revision of this docu=
ment.
“
[SLI] Do you plan to address it ? Or do we now consider it as out of s=
cope ?


I think this is actually addressed in Section 5.3, so I've removed the rema= rk.


 
 
 
Section 2:
“Prior specifications define one flag in the PTA, the "Leaf=
 Info
   Required" (LIR) flag, that is used for explicit trac=
king.”
 
[SLI] Please point to the right reference


Fixed.


 
“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that =
PTA
   SHOULD also be set.”
[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?


If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as intende= d even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is appropr= iate.


 
“one forces a
   a response to be sent an egress node that does not suppor=
t LIR-pF”
[SLI] Is there a missing word like ‘sent by an egress node”=
; ?


Fixed.


 
 
 

 

Section 3:

“The definition of "match for reception" in [RFC6625] =
is hereby
   modified as follows:”
 
[SLI] Please point to the section that you are updating.

In addition, section 3.2 of RFC6625 contains multiple if then else con=
ditions for each cases (C-S,C-G) and (C-*,C-G). Please give some precision =
in where do you want to insert your new statement in this processing sequen=
ce. I guess it is at the beginning.




I tried to make this clearer.








 


 


“When finding the "match for reception" for a given (C=
-S,C-G) or


      (C-*,C-G), ignore any S-PMSI A-D route =
that has no PTA, or whose


      PTA specifying "no tunnel informat=
ion".”


[SLI] I would be in favor to introduce a normative s=
tatement here.




Fixed.








 


“We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking&qu=
ot;.  This


   differs from the "match for reception" as follo=
ws:”


[SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the “match for =
tracking” before giving the rules. Here you’re explaining only =
the rules, not the difference in the meaning. Wouldn’t it be easier t=
o tell that the implementation MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes tha=
t have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and then run the same rules as the =
RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in yo=
ur route list for “match for tracking” ? You need to take care =
here on your text proposal as one of your previous statement updates the RF=
C6625 and the match reception procedure, so the rules to be applied are the=
 original one from RFC6625 and not the updated one.




IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then illustr=
ate with a couple of examples.








 


 


“   Also note that if a match for tracking does not ha=
ve the LIR flag or


   the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information wil=
l be


   generated.  See Section 5.”


[SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a ma=
tch for tracking as there is no tracking requested.




As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking" =
route for each flow.    If tracking is not requested, this r=
oute will have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  There are no unnecessary routes.=









 


 


Section 4:


“Such a route could be an


       I-PMSI A-D route, a (C-*,C-G1) S-=
PMSI A-D route, a (C-S1,C-*)


       S-PMSI A-D route, or a (C-*,C-*) =
S-PMSI A-D route. “


[SLI] Is per flow explicit tracking also required for I-PMSI ? I do no=
t see it listed in the goals of the doc ? The goal was to address wildcards=
 S-PMSI AD routes.




The above simply says that some route must specify the tunnel on which the =
(C-S1,C-G1) is to be transmitted, and that this route could be an I-PMSI A-=
D route.








 


“Further, if the ingress node originates a wildcard S-PMSI A-D


    &nb=
sp;  route carrying a PTA specifying the tunnel to be used for<=
o:p>


    &nb=
sp;  carrying (C-S1,C-G1) traffic, and if that PTA has the LIR-pF bit<=
/span>


    &nb=
sp;  set, then explicit tracking for (C-S1,C-G1) is requested by that<=
/span>


    &nb=
sp;  S-PMSI A-D route.  Thus the ingress node SHOULD NOT originat=
e a


    &nb=
sp;  (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel<=
/span>


    &nb=
sp;  info"; such a route would not provide any additional<=
o:p>


    &nb=
sp;  functionality.”


 


[SLI] I do not fully unders=
tand this text in the context of your procedure 1. which deals with an orig=
ination of an (C-S1,C-G1) S-PMSI A-D route (no wildcard).
 As I understand the procedure for the wildcard is defined in 2.




This just says that there's no point in originating S-PMSI(C-S,C-G) with LI=
R set if you've already originated S-PMSI(C-*,C-G) with LIR-pF set.  T=
hat seems to be an appropriate bit of advice.








 


 


 


 


“2. The following pro=
cedure can be used if (and only if) it is known


    &nb=
sp;  that the egress nodes support the optional LIR-pF flag.”


 


I have some issue with this sentence. It does not seem to be normative=
 as there is no normative statement. However I understand it as a critical =
thing (“and only if” !) so it may require at least a SHOULD.


Then the issue I see is that this knowledge does not come from the pro=
tocol, so it sounds important to me to highlight the impact of a mistake.


 


BUT, reading the section 5. I understand that it is not as critical as=
 it seems as the receiver will ignore simply the LIR-pF flag and apply the =
standard procedure (LIR set).


Please clarify the criticity to have or not this knowledge.=





I added some text saying that procedure 2 may yield unexpected results if n=
ot all the PEs support LIR-pF, and that the procedure SHOULD NOT be used in=
 that case.












 


 


“       To terminate explicit trac=
king that has been initiated by an


    &nb=
sp;  S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies a tunnel, the ingress node


    &nb=
sp;  re-originates the route without the LIR flag set”


 


[SLI] Do we also need to cl=
ear the LIR-pf ? It would make sense to do so.




Fixed.








 


 


“If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the


    &nb=
sp;  egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set,


    &nb=
sp;  then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking,


    &nb=
sp;  following procedures specified in other documents for the case


    &nb=
sp;  where LIR is set.”


 


[SLI] Please state the rele=
vant document references here.




In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not modified b=
y this document.  I don't think it is necessary to cite a specific set=
 of documents that discuss the LIR flag.








 


 


 


Section 5.2


 


 


“Note that, per RFC4364, every RD begins with a two-octet type f=
ield


   that is either=
 0, 1, or 2.  By adding 16 to the second octet of the


   RD, we force t=
he type field to be 16, 17, or 18. “


 


[SLI] It works but we may n=
eed to ensure that the types > 16 cannot be used anymore by new applicat=
ions.





There is  a registry for the Route Distinguisher Type field.  Onl=
y types 16, 17, and 18 are defined here, other values are still available.<=
br>







Moreover if new RD types ar=
e created, new siblings will have to be created.




Your point is correct, but there hasn't been a new RD type in 20 years.&nbs=
p; The draft shouldn't really say "add 16", it should just point =
out the new types.








Wouldn’t it be easier=
 to set the MSB of the RD type to 1 ? so we only lock half of the type spac=
e.




I think it is easier to use three new type values than to turn one of the b=
its into a flag.








Or what could be the impact=
 of using the RD of the local VRF of the egress node ?




The RD of the Leaf A-D route needs to be derived from the RD of the S-PMSI =
A-D route that elicits it.  Otherwise the ingress node receiving the L=
eaf A-D route will have diffculty matching it to the corresponding S-PMSI A=
-D route.








 


Section 5.3


 


“In the case where the egress


   node is not a =
PE, but rather an ABR or ASBR, it will not know whether

   it needs to re=
ceive a given flow unless it receives a Leaf A-D route


   whose NLRI spe=
cifies that flow and whose IP-address-specific RT


   specifies an a=
ddress of the egress node.”


 


[SLI] The sentence works bu=
t when reading it I needed multiple reread to understand that the “IP=
-address-specific RT


   specifies an a=
ddress of the egress node.” was referring to the ASBR/ABR and not the=
 receiver PE.


Do you mind using “th=
is egress node” or “this ABR/ASBR” ?




I tried to clarify that.








 


 


Section 8.


[SLI] Do we have counter-me=
asures against such “attack” ? Ingress PE dropping ?




I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside the sco=
pe of the document.








 


Section 9.2


I think RFC7524 needs to be referenced as normative =
giving that its knowledge is required to understand section 5.3.





I'm not sure that RFC7524 should be a normative reference, as this draft do=
es not require segmentation at the ABRs.  However, since RFC7524 is al=
ready published, there's no harm in adding it to the "normative refere=
nces" section.








I think that section 5.3 is also updating/complement=
ing the procedures in RFC7524 with the “no-tunnel info” case.




There don't seem to be any clear and objective criteria for determining whe=
ther one document "updates" another. 











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From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiejingrong Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 03:51 To: Eric C Rosen; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 Issue clarification: According to chap 5.2 of this document: In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S= -PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is donated as SPMS= I(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag unt= ouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,In= gressPE,EgressPE) and RT, and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(= type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT. [SLI] Chap 5.2 does not deal with ASBR/ABR case, it defines the behavior of= the egress node (the egress PE). Chap 5.3 does. Then according to chap 5.3 of this document: EgressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route. I guess, the said "a Leaf A-D route" should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2= RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. Then how should EgressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NL= RI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only = clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by= EgressABR ? And then 'relay' back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit trac= king inside the ingress "segmentation domain" ? Question clarification: (1) Should such LeafAD routes with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and ins= talled by EgressABR ? [SLI] If the egress node (EgressPE) originates Leaf A-D routes in a respons= e to a LIR-pF, it uses the new RD types. As the SPMSI best route uses the A= BR/ASBR address as a NH, the Leaf-AD route will use an ip-address based RT = using the ABR/ASBR address as a base. When receiving the BGP Update contain= ing the Leaf A-D, the ASBR/ABR will automatically import the route thanks t= o the RT. (2) If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD type 16/17/18) be installed by= EgressABR, then according to your answer, the Leaf A-D routes (with RT cha= nged) will be 'relay' back to IngressPE. Right? This draft does not descri= be this either. [SLI] Yes the Leaf A-D route is forwarded and the RT is changed on the fly = to the IngressPE address-specific RT. I think this does not change compared= to the existing procedures from RFC6514. (3) If the above two are correct, then We can use PTA in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can't be used in Segmented P-tunnels= scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, LIR-pF Flag is used only when non = segmented P-tunnels are used. [SLI] As stated in the introduction, the goal here is to provide a cross-AS= view rather than being stuck at the boundaries of the segmentation domain. Thanks. XieJingrong From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM To: Xiejingrong >; be= ss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 I apologize for the delay in answering this message. On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote: I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03. The chap 5.3 of this document said: Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged. This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route in response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route. The issue is as follow: In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S= -PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is donated as SPMS= I(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressA= BR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE Lea= fAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT= and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,Egres= sPE) and RT. All according to chap 5.2 of this document. Then according to chap 5.3 of this document: IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE of LeafAD(= type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "IngressABR". So = I'm not completely sure that I understand your question. Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with N= LRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only = clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. 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Hi,

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Pleas= e find below my understanding of the text.

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From: BESS [ma= ilto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiejingrong
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 03:51
To: Eric C Rosen; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03

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Issue clarification:

According to ch= ap 5.2 of this document:

In a [IngressPE= --EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  = ;SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE).

This SPMSI rout= e will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched.

Then EgressPE w= ill generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,E= gressPE) and RT<EgressABR>, and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<= 16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>.

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[SLI] Chap 5.2 does not deal with ASBR/ABR case, it defines the beh= avior of the egress node (the egress PE). Chap 5.3 does.

 

 

Then according = to chap 5.3  of this document:

EgressABR will = only send a Leaf A-D route.

I guess, the sa= id “a Leaf A-D route” should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2= RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT<EgressABR>.

 

Then how should= EgressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<1= 6/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clari= fied in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such Lea= fAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR ?

And then ‘= ;relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ?

 

 

Question clarification:

(1)     Should such LeafAD routes with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted an= d installed by EgressABR ? 

[SLI] If = the egress node (EgressPE) originates Leaf A-D routes in a response to a LI= R-pF, it uses the new RD types. As the SPMSI best route uses the ABR/ASBR address as a NH, the Leaf-AD route will use an ip-addres= s based RT using the ABR/ASBR address as a base. When receiving the BGP Upd= ate containing the Leaf A-D, the ASBR/ABR will automatically import the rou= te thanks to the RT.

 

(2)     If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD = type 16/17/18) be installed by EgressABR, then according to your answer, th= e Leaf A-D routes (with RT changed) will be ‘relay’ back to IngressPE. Right?  This draft does not describe this either.

[SLI] Yes= the Leaf A-D route is forwarded and the RT is changed on the fly to the IngressPE address-specific RT. I think this does not change= compared to the existing procedures from RFC6514.

 =

(3)     If the abov= e two are correct, then We can use PTA<type=3DNoTnlInfo, flag=3DLIR+= LIRpF> in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But <draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-09&= gt; seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can’t be used in Segmented P-tunnels scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, LIR-pF Flag is used only= when non segmented P-tunnels are used.

[SLI] As stated in the introduction, the goal here is to provide a cro= ss-AS view rather than being stuck at the boundaries of the segmentation do= main.  

 

 

Thanks.

XieJingrong

 

From:<= /span> Eric C Rosen [mailto:ero= sen@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejin= grong@huawei.com>; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03

 

I apologize for the de= lay in answering this message.

On 12/21/= 2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote:

 

I have a commen= t on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03.

 

The chap 5.3 of= this document said:=

 

Furthermore, if the PTA = specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-pF

flags in the PTA MUST be= passed along unchanged.<= o:p>

 

   Th= is will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route 

   in= response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an

   eg= ress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D

   ro= ute.

 

The issue is as= follow:

In a [IngressPE= --EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  = ;SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed= by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then EgressPE will gener= ate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<1= 6/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>. All accordin= g to chap 5.2 of this document.

 

Then according = to chap 5.3  of this document:

IngressABR will= only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD= ,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT<IngressABR>.


In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "In= gressABR".  So I'm not completely sure that I understand your que= stion.

Then how should= IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<= 16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clari= fied in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such Lea= fAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR, and then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable= IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain&= #8221; ?


The intention is the following.  Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies = the following two conditions:

1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route  with the following properties= :

- its NLRI has wildcards for S and G,
- its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE,
- its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set.

2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) = with PE1 as ingress PE

Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18)= specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1.
The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longe= r holds.

Does this answer your question?

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This makes sense. It may be worth adding a reference in the DCI draft to the section mentioned below. Anoop On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) wrote: > Hi Anoop, > > > > There are (lots of) cases where the NVEs reside in hypervisors, hence NVE > and its hosts/VMs are co-located in the same server, and MAC/IP routes fo= r > the hosts are advertised as they come up (since they are learned thru the > management/control plane). Check [1] which is written based on that. > > > > In the evpn-overlay draft the NVEs are running EVPN. > > Even if your controller and data plane are separated, if you have multipl= e > controllers they will run EVPN. > > Even if you have a single controller, it will run EVPN with the DC Gatewa= y. > > > > So, I=E2=80=99m afraid I disagree with your statement that EVPN in the DC= means > MAC are learned from the data path. In my experience there are many > deployed DCs where EVPN is used and MACs are learned in the control/mgmt. > plane. > > > > Thank you. > > Jorge > > > > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11#section-7 > > > > > > *From: * on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani < > anoop@alumni.duke.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 1:59 AM > *To: *"Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" > > *Cc: *"bess@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > > > > Thanks Jorge. > > > > I'm struggling to understand the example. When would all the MACs be > learned in control/management plane _and_ BGP EVPN be in use in the DC? = In > the normal case, if I'm using a controller in the DC with the NVEs in the > servers, then there is no benefit to running EVPN in the DC. And if I'm > running EVPN in the DC, the common case (only case currently deployed?) i= s > where MACs are learned from the data path at the NVEs and imported into B= GP > for transport to other NVEs, so I wouldn't satisfy the requirement for al= l > MACs being learned in the control/management plane. > > > > Is there a use case I am missing? > > > > Thanks, > > Anoop > > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:54 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain > View) wrote: > > Hi Annop, > > > > This paragraph intended to clarify that (in the same section): > > > > This document proposes that local policy determines whether MAC > > addresses and/or the Unknown MAC route are advertised into a given > > DC. As an example, when all the DC MAC addresses are learned in the > > control/management plane, it may be appropriate to advertise only the > > Unknown MAC route. > > > > Is it not enough? > > > > Thank you. > > Jorge > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani < > anoop@alumni.duke.edu> > *Date: *Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 1:47 AM > *To: *"bess@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > > > > I have a question about the following paragraph in this draft: > > >>> > > The solution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC' route > > which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs. This > > route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC > > Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to > > 00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is > > set to the DC GW's I-ESI. > > >>> > > How does an ingress NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA tha= t > is reachable (but perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MAC DA > that is reachable in a remote DC? In the first case, the correct action > would be to replicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming packet= 's > VN; in the second case the correct action is to unicast it to the DC GW. > Is this assumption that the DC GW will then take over the job of > replicating to the NVEs within the DC? > > > > It would be good if some clarification can be added to the document. > > > > Thanks, > > Anoop > > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. > > Title : Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks > Authors : Jorge Rabadan > Senthil Sathappan > Wim Henderickx > Ali Sajassi > John Drake > Filename : draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2018-01-22 > > Abstract: > This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can > be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the > layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes > the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private > Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as > Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider > Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how > the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnection > and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, > this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways > (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well > as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, > and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on > Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > > --94eb2c18fd700387e30563a0f0ab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jorge,

Thanks for the clarification.=C2= =A0 This makes sense.=C2=A0 It may be worth adding a reference in the DCI d= raft to the section mentioned below.

Anoop

On Tue, Jan 23, 201= 8 at 11:34 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) = <jorge.raba= dan@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Anoop,

=C2=A0

There are (lots= of) cases where the NVEs reside in hypervisors, hence NVE and its hosts/VM= s are co-located in the same server, and MAC/IP routes for the hosts are ad= vertised as they come up (since they are learned thru the management/control plane). Check [1] which is written= based on that.

=C2=A0

In the evpn-ove= rlay draft the NVEs are running EVPN.

Even if your co= ntroller and data plane are separated, if you have multiple controllers the= y will run EVPN.

Even if you hav= e a single controller, it will run EVPN with the DC Gateway.<= /span>

=C2=A0

So, I=E2=80=99m= afraid I disagree with your statement that EVPN in the DC means MAC are le= arned from the data path. In my experience there are many deployed DCs wher= e EVPN is used and MACs are learned in the control/mgmt. plane.

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Jorge=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11#secti= on-7

<= /span>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: <ghanwani@gmail.com> on beha= lf of Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 1:59 AM
To: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" <jorge.rabadan@nokia.= com>
Cc: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>


Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overla= y-06.txt

=C2=A0

Thanks Jorge.

=C2=A0<= /u>

I'm strugglin= g to understand the example.=C2=A0 When would all the MACs be learned in co= ntrol/management plane _and_ BGP EVPN be in use in the DC?=C2=A0 In the nor= mal case, if I'm using a controller in the DC with the NVEs in the servers, then th= ere is no benefit to running EVPN in the DC.=C2=A0 And if I'm running E= VPN in the DC, the common case (only case currently deployed?) is where MAC= s are learned from the data path at the NVEs and imported into BGP for transport to other NVEs, so I wouldn't satis= fy the requirement for all MACs being learned in the control/management pla= ne.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Is there a use ca= se I am missing?

=C2=A0<= /u>

Thanks,=

Anoop

=C2=A0<= /u>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2= 018 at 10:54 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan= @nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Annop,

=C2=A0

This paragraph intended to clari= fy that (in the same section):

=C2=A0

This document proposes that local policy determines whether MAC=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 addresses and/or the Unknown MAC route are adverti= sed into a given

=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC. As an example, when all the DC MAC addresses a= re learned in the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 control/management plane, it may be appropriate to= advertise only the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Unknown MAC route.

=C2=A0

Is it not enough?<= u>

=C2=A0

Thank you.<= /span>

Jorge

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I have a question about the following paragraph in this draft:

>>>=C2=A0

=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 The solution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC=
9; route
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs.=C2=
=A0 This
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC<=
/span>
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to=

=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 set to the DC GW's I-ESI.

>>>=C2=A0

How does an ingress NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA= that is reachable (but perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MA= C DA that is reachable in a remote DC?=C2=A0 In the first case, the correct action would be to replicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming = packet's VN; in the second case the correct action is to unicast it to = the DC GW.=C2=A0 Is this assumption that the DC GW will then take over the = job of replicating to the NVEs within the DC?

=C2=A0

It would be good if some clarification can be added to the document.<= u>

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Anoop

=C2=A0

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org<= span>> wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Jorg= e Rabadan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Senthil Sathappan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wim Henderickx
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ali Sajassi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John Drake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 27
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2018-01-22

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (N= VO) can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution a= nalyzes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual = Private
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, = such as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provi= der
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also descri= bes how
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnec= tion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In parti= cular,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gatew= ays
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, a= s well
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-h= oming,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices.



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--_000_3E9BE272566F4E9EB2A4971692782BABnokiacom_-- From nobody Fri Jan 26 13:14:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE37512DA12; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:14:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay@ietf.org, Thomas Morin , thomas.morin@orange.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151700124077.4429.13547318608973907894.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:14:00 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Protocol Action: 'A Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11.txt) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:14:01 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN' (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the BGP Enabled ServiceS Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay/ Technical Summary This document specifies how Ethernet VPN (EVPN) can be used as a Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) solution and explores the various tunnel encapsulation options over IP and their impact on the EVPN control-plane and procedures. In particular, the following encapsulation options are analyzed: VXLAN, NVGRE, and MPLS over GRE. GENEVE is considered in a separate document (draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve). Working Group Summary There was very large support for adopting this work. So much so that the list of authors (6) reflects the people who made the most significant contributions, while others (10 more) are listed as Contributors. Document Quality This specification is of very good technical quality and are known to have multiple interoperable specifications. Personnel Thomas Morin is the Document Shepherd. Alvaro Retana is the Responsible Area Director. From nobody Fri Jan 26 13:17:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29855126BFD; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:17:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RN3k1SfSCKRO; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x241.google.com (mail-oi0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32C1D129C6E; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x241.google.com with SMTP id a184so1213248oif.7; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:17:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/Z3JgG7a6RUS8DJa9CrZr8sPttqVUe3PO7JnfMSbYo8=; b=cXMOsqLyqBwT9aW9gDyvE7r43I0jbB8dC3QnsOZm+KXuTRTBevom9bs87JI89dJlPR dpZ88BRx0znLg8VN3uQyXh7tg0aOoCgCrWmRUpJ2js6SEFLHeUq/77imYJIBzpyBt/UV biHnYqIpqZciv/jb2v5Rf3N0zzbZYAiuK8rTtTBVS4IJUNCUDaDFGZWNnYHq16dGzWCo krnwlK4GfCDgbqm9/uo1YlYcmYiwv4kvln7IOV0lffKwDzHFt7qiEG6blUjXAeDn/HI3 Z5+HLSPgT6Z4jflzzV9qwXaUDXV69oVwjE6ZwGHevN58oRMZH0NsDMNX8gghArwjuXxM /DXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/Z3JgG7a6RUS8DJa9CrZr8sPttqVUe3PO7JnfMSbYo8=; b=s5FkC5Svo4HUSGaGvn9KHDNSd2XVhxmX6xsKBA1onPTO0JIlbj7y3MIbTJ0dY8HrRY 0WiyOrgJXnhbL1StG7frzfyaVLk6ZKsDjDZF/VYgc+tjpKocP/IEgmzZJLeRkStItIfo YXBTCX0Bgwo9hNPy7mxuYgXTBgsXMzbVHg1NzKTSqKysDpiUE5UtftsfaUa0qYeAASBW TQodXmH1kIgmlnBB3/SOMJOUB2njmI5M4uLT6hkUj1Sk9PwlT6gLyVo4by39o4vqSznL IYF5nnZMP/oCgevsvba9x6+dBjLKmO+s3Wl99wByM/6ek9KyD9qwpU6VGl+mrlArSsau mmIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcUO+feDoNFi6Nf9VmVr3Zr1GSDbAgLh2332lD6FIatWBBNuAwi kcpCbKvrkrxQt7RuCq58KspsKCrXXzLVLN4eYbE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224KFskrAWl1C35qQc72C/i8uUuRERt0MxjWl0xjL6pgy7/j26ZIPx9iUw1r0SYt7iCP9lwNOBUHEd2M8X67rhc= X-Received: by 10.202.79.214 with SMTP id d205mr543916oib.308.1517001437238; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:17:16 -0500 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: "draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org" , "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" Cc: "Vigoureux, Martin (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d735aca5d600563b46b97" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:17:21 -0000 --001a113d735aca5d600563b46b97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge: Thanks for the update. I=E2=80=99m starting the IETF LC, but I need you to please fix the nits rel= ated to the references: =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'RFC8174' is mentioned on line 125, but not def= ined -- No information found for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-integration - is th= e name correct? Thanks! Alvaro. On January 22, 2018 at 4:16:35 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) (jorge.rabadan@nokia.com) wrote: Hi Alvaro, Thank you very much for your detailed review. Revision 06 has just been uploaded. This rev addresses all your comments. Please see some responses in-line with *[JORGE].* Thanks. Jorge *From: *Alvaro Retana *Date: *Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 5:08 PM *To: *"draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org" < draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org> *Cc: *"bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" < bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "Vigoureux, Martin (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" < martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> *Subject: *AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-05 *Resent-From: * *Resent-To: *, , < wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, , *Resent-Date: *Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 5:08 PM Dear authors: I just finished reading this document. As with draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay, it seems to me that this document is better suited as an Applicability Statement [1] instead of a Technical Specification -- both would result in a Standards Track document. It is hard for me to clearly identify what this document is specifying, vs explaining how to use existing mechanisms (already specified elsewhere) to achieve the DCI. I don't want to dig too deep into this point, but it would be nice if you at least considered refocusing the text. *[JORGE] While a good part of the document describes how different Technical Specifications can be applied to the DCI case, the document also describes new procedures or extensions of its normative Technical Specs. In particular, the new EVPN extensions are:* =C2=B7 *The Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES), its definition an= d usage are different than the one in [RFC7432]* =C2=B7 *The use of the Unknown MAC route in I-ES* =C2=B7 *The processing of EVPN routes on Gateways with MAC-VRFs connecting EVPN-Overlay to EVPN-MPLS networks.* *I changed the abstract and the introduction to reflect that. * I do have some more comments below. I'll wait for an updated draft before starting the IETF Last Call. Thanks! Alvaro. [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3.2 Major: M1. I don't feel too good about using Normative Language to describe the requirements (2.1 and 3.1) because the normative part of this document should be the solution itself, not the requirements (which the solution will then solve). As I read the requirements, with the Normative Language in them, there are questions that come up, which wouldn't be there if rfc2119 keywords were not used. *[JORGE] OK. I changed sections 2.1 and 3.1 and removed Normative Language.= * M1.1. There's an important use of the words "supported" and "implemented", what do they mean from a Normative point of view? Are you using them from the point of view of the operator implementing something in their network, or the solution (the software feature) including them? How do you Normatively enforce that? Some examples of their use are: "Per-service load balancing MUST be supported. Per-flow load balancing MAY be supported..." (2.1), "The following optimizations MAY be supported..." (2.1), "Multi-homing MUST be supported. Single-active multi-homing with per-service load balancing MUST be implemented. All-active multi-homing, i.e. per-flow load-balancing, SHOULD be implemented as long as the technology deployed in the WAN supports it" (3.1). In summary, I think that the requirements would be better served with non-rfc2119 language. *[JORGE] OK, fixed now.* M1.2. The use of "MUST be supported" doesn't stop when talking about the requirements: M1.2.1. In 2.4: "As already discussed, single-active multi-homing, i.e. per-service load-balancing multi-homing MUST be supported in this type of interconnect." Assuming you take off the Normative Language in 2.1, take out "as already discussed"... *[JORGE] removed.* M1.2.2. In 2.5: "The following features MAY be supported..." I'm assuming "MAY" is used here because the optimizations are optional; saying so would be better as some of the descriptions in the sub-sections include other Normative Language. *[JORGE] Changed to "The following GW features are optional and optimize the control plane and data plane in the DC."* M1.2.2. In 2.3 an option exists...but in both cases "MUST be supported" is used. As I asked above, what does this mean from the enforcement of the Normative Language point of view? If we think about interoperability, then maybe a more prescriptive sentence would work better. Suggestion: s/the provisioning of the VCID for such PW MUST be supported on the MAC-VRF/the VCID MUST be provisioned=E2=80=A6 *[JORGE] Done.* M1.2.3. In 3.2.2./3.3.2: "Single-active multi-homing MUST be supported on the GWs." =E2=80=A6 *[JORGE] removed Normative language.* M1.2.4. 3.4.3/3.5.2: "Single-active as well as all-active multi-homing MUST be supported." *[JORGE] removed Normative language.* M2. From 2.5.3: "Individual AC/PW failures MAY be detected by OAM mechanisms." The "MAY" seems to just be stating a fact; s/MAY/may *[JORGE] done.* M2.1. The two "MAYs" in the bullets following the "for instance" seem out of place too. If the intent is to just list two possibilities (examples) then the "MAYs" should not be Normative. *[JORGE] changed to 'may'* M3. Security Considerations. Please see my note above about thinking that this document is more appropriate to be an Applicability Statement (than a Technical Specification). The Security Considerations section basically directs the reader to existing work. I would like to see a statement (for the benefit of the security reviewers) along the lines of: "This document defines...as a result there are no new security considerations." Note that considering this document a Technical Specification by definition it means it adds something -- so please focus on that here. *[JORGE] Point taken. Please check out the new section now.* M4. References: The reference to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay should be Normative. *[JORGE] Agreed. Added.* Minor: P1. The "Conventions and Terminology" (Section 5) should be moved to the front of the document. *[JORGE] done.* P2. Please add references to VPLS, EVPN, VXLAN, 802.1q/ag, etc, etc. on first mention. All these technologies are important in understanding the document, but only some are properly referenced later. Ideally, there would be a reference when a mayor technology is mentioned (specially the first time) and when other important features are mentioned and assumed -- for example: in "Even if optimized BGP techniques like RT-constraint are used..." it would be nice to put a reference to RT-constraint. It's all about the completeness of the document=E2=80=A6 *[JORGE] ok, done.* P2.1. In 2.3: "the usual MPLS procedures between GW and WAN Edge router"; a reference here would be nice. *[JORGE] ok, done.* P3. Please use the template in rfc8174, instead of the one in rfc2119. *[JORGE] ok, done.* P4. In 3.4.1, I can't really parse this text: "Normally each GW will setup one (two) BGP EVPN session(s) to the DC RR(s) and one(two) session(s) to the WAN RR(s)." Specifically the "one (two)" part. *[JORGE] changed to: "*Normally each GW will setup one BGP EVPN session to the DC RR (or two BGP EVPN sessions if there are redundant DC RRs) and one session to the WAN RR (or two sessions if there are redundant WAN RRs)" P5. The IANA Considerations section is empty [ https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-9.1]. *[JORGE] ok, done.* Nits: N1. I know that many of the abbreviations are well-known by now, but please expand as needed, specially in the first few sections to give the readers a better idea of the content. Note that PBB and VPLS are in the "RFC Editor Abbreviations List" [2], but, surprisingly EVPN is not. [Note to self/shepherd: ask the RFC Editor to add EVPN when this document gets to them.] *[JORGE] ok, done.* N1.1. Figure 2 includes "EVPN-Ovl", which is not expanded or explained anywhere. I'm guessing this is just a general EVPN-Overlay, but the reader shouldn't have to guess. *[JORGE] ok, added a note.* N2. Section 4 doesn't exist. *[JORGE] ok, fixed.* N3. 3.4.1: "Optionally, different I-ESI values MAY be configured..." "Optionally...MAY" is redundant. *[JORGE] ok, fixed.* [2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt --001a113d735aca5d600563b46b97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Jorge:

Thanks for the update.

I=E2=80=99m starting the IETF LC, but I need you to please f= ix the nits related to the references:

=C2=A0 =3D=3D = Missing Reference: 'RFC8174' is mentioned on line 125, but not defi= ned

=C2=A0 -- No information found = for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-integration - is the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0name correct?

<= /div>

Thanks!

Alvaro.


On January 22, 2018 at 4:16:35 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nok= ia - US/Mountain View) (jorge.ra= badan@nokia.com) wrote:

Hi Alvaro,

=C2=A0

Thank you very = much for your detailed review.

Revision 06 has= just been uploaded. This rev addresses all your comments.

Please see some= responses in-line with [JORGE].

=C2=A0

Thanks.<= /p>

Jorge

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Alvaro Retana <<= a href=3D"mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com">aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 5:08 PM
To: "draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overl= ay@ietf.org>
Cc: "bess@ietf.org" &= lt;bess@ietf.org>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "Vigoureux= , Martin (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
Subject: AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-05
Resent-From: <alias-bou= nces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: <jorge.raba= dan@nokia.com>, <s= enthil.sathappan@nokia.com>, <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, <sajassi@cisco.com>, <jdrake@juniper.net>
Resent-Date: Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 5:08 PM

=C2=A0

Dear authors:

=C2=A0

I just finished reading this do= cument.

=C2=A0

As with draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ov= erlay, it seems to me that this document is better suited as an Applicabili= ty Statement [1] instead of a Technical Specification -- both would result in a Standards Track document.=C2=A0 It= is hard for me to clearly identify what this document is specifying, vs ex= plaining how to use existing mechanisms (already specified elsewhere) to ac= hieve the DCI.=C2=A0 I don't want to dig too deep into this point, but it would be nice if you at least considered refo= cusing the text.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] While a good part of= the document describes how different Technical Specifications can be appli= ed to the DCI case, the document also describes new procedures or extensions of its normative Technical Specs. I= n particular, the new EVPN extensions are:

=C2=B7<= span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Th= e Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES), its definition and usage are differ= ent than the one in [RFC7432]=

=C2=B7<= span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Th= e use of the Unknown MAC route in I-ES

=C2=B7<= span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Th= e processing of EVPN routes on Gateways with MAC-VRFs connecting EVPN-Overl= ay to EVPN-MPLS networks.

I changed the abstract and t= he introduction to reflect that.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I do have some more comments be= low.=C2=A0 I'll wait for an updated draft before starting the IETF Last= Call.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Alvaro.

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026= #section-3.2=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Major:

=C2=A0

M1. I don't feel too good a= bout using Normative Language to describe the requirements (2.1 and 3.1) be= cause the normative part of this document should be the solution itself, not the requirements (which the solution wi= ll then solve).=C2=A0 As I read the requirements, with the Normative Langua= ge in them, there are questions that come up, which wouldn't be there i= f rfc2119 keywords were not used.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] OK. I changed sectio= ns 2.1 and 3.1 and removed Normative Language.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M1.1. There's an important = use of the words "supported" and "implemented", what do= they mean from a Normative point of view?=C2=A0 Are you using them from the point of view of the operator implementing something in their net= work, or the solution (the software feature) including them?=C2=A0 How do y= ou Normatively enforce that?=C2=A0 Some examples of their use are: "Pe= r-service load balancing MUST be supported. Per-flow load balancing MAY be supported..." (2.1), "The following optimi= zations MAY be supported..." (2.1), "Multi-homing MUST be support= ed. Single-active multi-homing with per-service load balancing MUST be impl= emented. All-active multi-homing, i.e. per-flow load-balancing, SHOULD be implemented as long as the technology deployed in the WAN suppor= ts it" (3.1).=C2=A0 In summary, I think that the requirements would be= better served with non-rfc2119 language.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] OK, fixed now.

=C2=A0

M1.2. The use of "MUST be = supported" doesn't stop when talking about the requirements:

=C2=A0

M1.2.1. In 2.4: "As alread= y discussed, single-active multi-homing, i.e. per-service load-balancing mu= lti-homing MUST be supported in this type of interconnect." =C2=A0Assuming you take off the Normative Language in = 2.1, take out "as already discussed"... =C2=A0

=C2=A0

[JORGE] removed.<= /span>

=C2=A0

M1.2.2. In 2.5: "The follo= wing features MAY be supported..." =C2=A0I'm assuming "MAY&qu= ot; is used here because the optimizations are optional; saying so would be better as some of the descriptions in the sub-sections include ot= her Normative Language.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] Changed to "The= following GW features are optional and optimize the control plane and data= plane in the DC."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M1.2.2. In 2.3 an option exists= ...but in both cases "MUST be supported" is used.=C2=A0 As I aske= d above, what does this mean from the enforcement of the Normative Language point of view? If we think about interoperability, = then maybe a more prescriptive sentence would work better.=C2=A0 Suggestion= : s/the provisioning of the VCID for such PW MUST be supported on the MAC-V= RF/the VCID MUST be provisioned=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

[JORGE] Done.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M1.2.3. In=C2=A0<= span style=3D"mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">3.2.2./3.3.2= : "Single-active multi-homing MUST be supported on the GWs." =E2= =80=A6

=C2=A0

[JORGE] removed Normative la= nguage.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M1.2.4. 3.4.3/3.5.2: "Sing= le-active as well as all-active multi-homing MUST be supported."

=C2=A0

[JORGE] removed Normative la= nguage.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M2. From 2.5.3: "Individua= l AC/PW failures MAY be detected by OAM mechanisms." =C2=A0The "M= AY" seems to just be stating a fact; s/MAY/may

=C2=A0

[JORGE] done.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M2.1. The two "MAYs" = in the bullets following the "for instance" seem out of place too= .=C2=A0 If the intent is to just list two possibilities (examples) then the "MAYs" should not be Normative.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] changed to 'may&= #39;

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M3. Security Considerations.=C2= =A0 Please see my note above about thinking that this document is more appr= opriate to be an Applicability Statement (than a Technical Specification).=C2=A0 The Security Considerations section basi= cally directs the reader to existing work.=C2=A0 I would like to see a stat= ement (for the benefit of the security reviewers) along the lines of: "= ;This document defines...as a result there are no new security considerations." =C2=A0Note that considering this doc= ument a Technical Specification by definition it means it adds something --= so please focus on that here.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] Point taken. Please check out th= e new section now.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

M4. References: The reference t= o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay should be Normative.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] Agreed. Added.=

=C2=A0

Minor:

=C2=A0

P1. The "Conventions and T= erminology" (Section 5) should be moved to the front of the document.<= /span>

=C2=A0

[JORGE] done.

=C2=A0

P2. Please add references to VP= LS, EVPN, VXLAN, 802.1q/ag, etc, etc. on first mention.=C2=A0 All these tec= hnologies are important in understanding the document, but only some are properly referenced later.=C2=A0 Ideally, ther= e would be a reference when a mayor technology is mentioned (specially the = first time) and when other important features are mentioned and assumed -- = for example: in "Even if optimized BGP techniques like RT-constraint are used..." it would be nice to put a = reference to RT-constraint. =C2=A0 It's all about the completeness of t= he document=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, done.=

=C2=A0

P2.1. In 2.3: "the usual M= PLS procedures between GW and WAN Edge router"; a reference here would= be nice.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, done.=

=C2=A0

P3. Please use the template in = rfc8174, instead of the one in rfc2119.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, done.=

=C2=A0

P4. In 3.4.1, I can't reall= y parse this text: "Normally each GW will setup one (two) BGP EVPN ses= sion(s) to the DC RR(s) and one(two) session(s) to the WAN RR(s)." =C2=A0Specifically the "one (two)" part.=

=C2=A0

[JORGE] changed to: "Normally each GW will setup one BGP EVPN session to the DC RR (or two BGP EVPN sessions if there= are redundant DC RRs) and one session to the WAN RR (or two sessions if th= ere are redundant WAN RRs)"

=C2=A0

P5. The IANA Considerations sec= tion is empty [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-9.1].

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, done.=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Nits:

=C2=A0

N1. I know that many of the abb= reviations are well-known by now, but please expand as needed, specially in= the first few sections to give the readers a better idea of the content.=C2=A0 Note that PBB and VPLS are in the &quo= t;RFC Editor Abbreviations List" [2], but, surprisingly EVPN is not. = =C2=A0[Note to self/shepherd: ask the RFC Editor to add EVPN when this docu= ment gets to them.]

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, done.=

=C2=A0

N1.1. Figure 2 includes "E= VPN-Ovl", which is not expanded or explained anywhere.=C2=A0 I'm g= uessing this is just a general EVPN-Overlay, but the reader shouldn't have to guess.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, added a note.

=C2=A0

N2. Section 4 doesn't exist= .

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, fixed.

=C2=A0

N3. 3.4.1: "Optionally, di= fferent I-ESI values MAY be configured..." =C2=A0"Optionally...MA= Y" is redundant.

=C2=A0

[JORGE] ok, fixed.

=C2=A0

[2]=C2=A0https://www.rfc-editor.or= g/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--001a113d735aca5d600563b46b97-- From nobody Fri Jan 26 13:28:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576E4127909; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:28:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151700213032.4357.11198085276219097714.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:28:50 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Last Call: (Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:28:50 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-02-09. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnection and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2586/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2951/ The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: rfc7041: Extensions to the Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Provider Edge (PE) Model for Provider Backbone Bridging (Informational - IETF stream) From nobody Fri Jan 26 13:54:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31354126D74; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:54:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id om3nrK_I1D5T; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x22c.google.com (mail-oi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39ED61200E5; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id c189so563938oib.12; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:54:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FJwQ5k0UeYXhxDuvK+/e0KK6uMWP97wWW4hIe3Yii3s=; b=WuiWjzfhUWl6MYz5A/LA5HMGOtoPWZdGD4wkvZz61vxKZYwiFZI3BYMhimLCqDNq+h dVMPI8oKpOX3t3J2wp/GyiDxzPekSGGX3jr4Bz7DcOqVwxvnZ43BrrwyjRD0F2omk74H 4G8vixlPi9zjgQxOdvW2wGrodEjRSoaNoCiXjbujq1wIUictXzqofY06CZDWwZGvQPE5 UfrZDN5MkdiAaoslDkVUWX/5EFDRp/Aod86BciodcJIncpV4UG+Mvydcq0bKbYOs7uRl QDXTK1FW4zVIrPRLIuBFQEEr//101NjzqMU9alXWxTFe79+WoMXojmAQwLtd4I+WFscS 8GBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FJwQ5k0UeYXhxDuvK+/e0KK6uMWP97wWW4hIe3Yii3s=; b=iGiVxEZkce74OrXp61tdSVwOxjzO56oWtBcXn2e/RAeH6a9DuFqoNmkPKiH4jwlk1d yGEOJEJUrBGM4kIo1gURbB2Wboevcen0Y+acIRurBrUNxlcfwrADyntCHFxSCbozA7o2 SpYkanyccIRLSKvkRCLgX6aKTH62JgLOoaqw/2gm3HWGqS6bGIpGuWal127obFlWOQli Ivkh32c3nSlhm55/9t4l0GhKXbSny4E5YVNjOKIt/0o+oH2cpDMLU1OwnV3UFJWWCTr6 3oycbW49cNfdll7RlHxJ+eiYFCuHNutoWEnlK3m4Tjq3M+ozWeS0WLFAN5l5ZaQQwmV6 HGqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytd0rQXrh2723cdgvpV05StXwFhcC7Aa5Dd7p9608ff3eutwzmYv pYkfHnl4d1DOtBPc3OaCYuI92lSsUXpic6eiafo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224yNrmcUtqV9fgXe6F26vbbkb0ryMODB8GFeHfmfyQron/m8FFLDZQcVVuF5TGU9q1dI2GobT04L1Kkz6KHmeQ= X-Received: by 10.202.72.69 with SMTP id v66mr12832315oia.214.1517003663411; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:54:22 -0500 From: Alvaro Retana X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:54:22 -0500 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp@ietf.org Cc: bess@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, Martin Vigoureux Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1134fe587b0edd0563b4f071" Archived-At: Subject: [bess] AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:54:29 -0000 --001a1134fe587b0edd0563b4f071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear authors: I just finished reading this document. Thank you for a well written and straight forward document!! I have some comments (see below) that I think are easy to address. I am then starting the IETF Last Call. Thanks! Alvaro. Major: M1. All the rfc2119 keywords in this text should not be capitalized because they are part of an example: For example, a PE part of a VPLS and with a local T = 1, MUST only transmit traffic with a flow label to those peers that signaled R = 1. And if the same PE has local R = 1, it MUST only expect to receive traffic with a flow label from peers with T = 1. Any other traffic MUST NOT have a flow label. M2. Security Considerations: I agree that there are no new issues. However, please also point to rfc4761 and any other document that defines the base functionality being modified here. Minor: P1. "This draft introduces an OPTIONAL mode of operation..." There's no need for "OPTIONAL" to be Normative in this sentence since it is just describing what it is, not specifying behavior. s/OPTIONAL/optional P2. The new registry has a policy of "IETF Review", which basically means that any RFC (not just Standards Track RFCs) can use the bits in the registry. I ask because there are only 4 bits left. Note that I'm not asking you to necessarily change the policy...just pointing it out. P3. "T When the bit value is 1, the PE is requesting the ability..." Did you mean "announce the ability" instead? P4. s/NUST NOT/MUST NOT P5. References: I think these can be Informative: rfc4385, rfc8077, rfc4928 --001a1134fe587b0edd0563b4f071 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dear authors:

I just finished reading this document.=C2=A0 Thank you f= or a well written and straight forward document!!

I have some comments (see below) that I think = are easy to address.=C2=A0 I am then starting the IETF Last Call.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


Major:

M1. All the rfc2119 keywords in thi= s text should not be capitalized because they are part of an example:
=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0For example, a PE part of a= VPLS and with a local T =3D 1,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST only transmit traffic with a flow label to th= ose peers that
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0signaled R =3D 1.=C2=A0 And if the same PE has local R =3D 1, it = MUST only
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0expect to receive traffic with a flow label from peers with T =3D 1.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Any other = traffic MUST NOT have a flow label.


M2. Security C= onsiderations: I agree that there are no new issues.=C2=A0 However, please = also point to rfc4761 and any other document that defines the base function= ality being modified here.


Minor:

P1. "This draft introduces an OPTIONAL mode of= operation..." =C2=A0There's no need for "OPTIONAL" to b= e Normative in this sentence since it is just describing what it is, not sp= ecifying behavior. =C2=A0s/OPTIONAL/optional


P2. T= he new registry has a policy of "IETF Review", which basically me= ans that any RFC (not just Standards Track RFCs) can use the bits in the re= gistry.=C2=A0 I ask because there are only 4 bits left.=C2=A0 Note that I&#= 39;m not asking you to necessarily change the policy...just pointing it out= .


P3. "T =C2=A0 When the bit value is 1, the= PE is requesting the ability..." =C2=A0Did you mean "announce th= e ability" instead?


=
P4. s/NUST NOT/MUST NOT


P5. References: =C2=A0I think these can be Informat= ive: rfc4385, rfc8077, rfc4928
--001a1134fe587b0edd0563b4f071-- From nobody Fri Jan 26 14:26:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27C1126D74; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:26:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151700561881.23521.14247766339029029277.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:26:58 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Last Call: (Extensions to BGP Signaled Pseudowires to support Flow-Aware Transport Labels) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 22:26:59 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'Extensions to BGP Signaled Pseudowires to support Flow-Aware Transport Labels' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-02-09. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This draft defines protocol extensions required to synchronize flow label states among PEs when using the BGP-based signaling procedures. These protocol extensions are equally applicable to point-to-point Layer2 Virtual Private Networks (L2VPNs). This draft updates RFC 4761 by defining new flags in the Control Flags field of the Layer2 Info Extended Community. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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Thanks for your work!! I just have a couple of comments on the references (see below). I am starting the IETF Last Call. Alvaro. R1. These references can be Informative: rfc4761, rfc4762, rfc6074 R2. There is no reference in the text to rfc4364, rfc7117 --94eb2c09d612f253300563b5ae7a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dear authors:

Not much I can say about this document, except that it w= ould have been nice if it was published earlier to provide background to ot= her EVPN document.

Th= anks for your work!!

= I just have a couple of comments on the references (see below).=C2=A0 I am = starting the IETF Last Call.

Alvaro.


<= /div>
R1. These references can be Informativ= e: rfc4761, rfc4762, rfc6074

R2. Th= ere is no reference in the text to rfc4364, rfc7117

--94eb2c09d612f253300563b5ae7a-- From nobody Fri Jan 26 15:09:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C4F127201; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:09:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151700816032.23612.1132054944866468157.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:09:20 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Last Call: (Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 23:09:20 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-02-09. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN (EVPN) in a simple and fairly common deployment scenario. The different EVPN procedures are explained on the example scenario, analyzing the benefits and trade-offs of each option. This document is intended to provide a simplified guide for the deployment of EVPN networks. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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boundary="001a1140642a3fb4820563c4a133" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:37:38 -0000 --001a1140642a3fb4820563c4a133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jorge. That would be great. Anoop On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) = < jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote: > Annop, > > > > That=E2=80=99s fine. > > We can certainly add something like this: > > > > =E2=80=9CAdvertising all the DC MAC addresses in the control/management p= lane is > usually the case when the NVEs reside in hypervisors. Refer to > [EVPN-Overlays] section 7.=E2=80=9D > > > > Thank you. > > Jorge > > > > *From: * on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani < > anoop@alumni.duke.edu> > *Date: *Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM > > *To: *"Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" > > *Cc: *"bess@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > > > > Jorge, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. This makes sense. It may be worth adding = a > reference in the DCI draft to the section mentioned below. > > > > Anoop > > > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain > View) wrote: > > Hi Anoop, > > > > There are (lots of) cases where the NVEs reside in hypervisors, hence NVE > and its hosts/VMs are co-located in the same server, and MAC/IP routes fo= r > the hosts are advertised as they come up (since they are learned thru the > management/control plane). Check [1] which is written based on that. > > > > In the evpn-overlay draft the NVEs are running EVPN. > > Even if your controller and data plane are separated, if you have multipl= e > controllers they will run EVPN. > > Even if you have a single controller, it will run EVPN with the DC Gatewa= y. > > > > So, I=E2=80=99m afraid I disagree with your statement that EVPN in the DC= means > MAC are learned from the data path. In my experience there are many > deployed DCs where EVPN is used and MACs are learned in the control/mgmt. > plane. > > > > Thank you. > > Jorge > > > > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-11#section-7 > > > > > > *From: * on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani < > anoop@alumni.duke.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 1:59 AM > *To: *"Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" > > *Cc: *"bess@ietf.org" > > > *Subject: *Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > > > > Thanks Jorge. > > > > I'm struggling to understand the example. When would all the MACs be > learned in control/management plane _and_ BGP EVPN be in use in the DC? = In > the normal case, if I'm using a controller in the DC with the NVEs in the > servers, then there is no benefit to running EVPN in the DC. And if I'm > running EVPN in the DC, the common case (only case currently deployed?) i= s > where MACs are learned from the data path at the NVEs and imported into B= GP > for transport to other NVEs, so I wouldn't satisfy the requirement for al= l > MACs being learned in the control/management plane. > > > > Is there a use case I am missing? > > > > Thanks, > > Anoop > > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:54 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain > View) wrote: > > Hi Annop, > > > > This paragraph intended to clarify that (in the same section): > > > > This document proposes that local policy determines whether MAC > > addresses and/or the Unknown MAC route are advertised into a given > > DC. As an example, when all the DC MAC addresses are learned in the > > control/management plane, it may be appropriate to advertise only the > > Unknown MAC route. > > > > Is it not enough? > > > > Thank you. > > Jorge > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani < > anoop@alumni.duke.edu> > *Date: *Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 1:47 AM > *To: *"bess@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > > > > I have a question about the following paragraph in this draft: > > >>> > > The solution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC' route > > which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs. This > > route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC > > Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to > > 00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is > > set to the DC GW's I-ESI. > > >>> > > How does an ingress NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA tha= t > is reachable (but perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MAC DA > that is reachable in a remote DC? In the first case, the correct action > would be to replicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming packet= 's > VN; in the second case the correct action is to unicast it to the DC GW. > Is this assumption that the DC GW will then take over the job of > replicating to the NVEs within the DC? > > > > It would be good if some clarification can be added to the document. > > > > Thanks, > > Anoop > > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. > > Title : Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks > Authors : Jorge Rabadan > Senthil Sathappan > Wim Henderickx > Ali Sajassi > John Drake > Filename : draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2018-01-22 > > Abstract: > This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can > be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the > layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes > the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private > Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as > Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider > Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how > the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnection > and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, > this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways > (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well > as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, > and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on > Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > > > > > --001a1140642a3fb4820563c4a133 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Jorge.=C2=A0 That would be great.

Anoop

On F= ri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

Annop,

=C2=A0

That=E2=80=99s = fine.

We can certainl= y add something like this:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CAdvert= ising all the DC MAC addresses in the control/management plane is usually t= he case when the NVEs reside in hypervisors. Refer to [EVPN-Overlays] secti= on 7.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Jorge=

=C2=A0

From: <ghanwani@gmail.com> on beha= lf of Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM


To: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" <jorge.rabadan@nokia.= com>
Cc: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overla= y-06.txt

=C2=A0

Jorge,

=C2=A0<= /u>

Thanks for the cl= arification.=C2=A0 This makes sense.=C2=A0 It may be worth adding a referen= ce in the DCI draft to the section mentioned below.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Anoop

=C2=A0<= /u>

On Tue, Jan 23, 2= 018 at 11:34 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan= @nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Anoop,

=C2=A0

There are (lots of) cases where = the NVEs reside in hypervisors, hence NVE and its hosts/VMs are co-located = in the same server, and MAC/IP routes for the hosts are advertised as they come up (since they are learned thru the management/control plane). C= heck [1] which is written based on that.

=C2=A0

In the evpn-overlay draft the NV= Es are running EVPN.

Even if your controller and data= plane are separated, if you have multiple controllers they will run EVPN.<= /span>

Even if you have a single contro= ller, it will run EVPN with the DC Gateway.

=C2=A0

So, I=E2=80=99m afraid I disagre= e with your statement that EVPN in the DC means MAC are learned from the da= ta path. In my experience there are many deployed DCs where EVPN is used an= d MACs are learned in the control/mgmt. plane.

=C2=A0

Thank you.<= /span>

Jorge

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-1= 1#section-7

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: <<= span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">ghanwani@gmail.com> on behalf of Anoop Ghanwani <anoop= @alumni.duke.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 1:59 AM
To: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" <= jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Cc: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org<= /a>>=


Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overla= y-06.txt

=C2=A0

Thanks Jorge.

=C2=A0

I'm struggling to understand the example.=C2=A0 When would all th= e MACs be learned in control/management plane _and_ BGP EVPN be in use in t= he DC?=C2=A0 In the normal case, if I'm using a controller in the DC wi= th the NVEs in the servers, then there is no benefit to running EVPN in the DC.=C2=A0 = And if I'm running EVPN in the DC, the common case (only case currently= deployed?) is where MACs are learned from the data path at the NVEs and im= ported into BGP for transport to other NVEs, so I wouldn't satisfy the requirement for all MACs being learned in th= e control/management plane.

=C2=A0

Is there a use case I am missing?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Anoop

=C2=A0

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:54 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain= View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Annop,

=C2=A0

This paragraph intended to clari= fy that (in the same section):

=C2=A0

This document proposes that local policy determines whether MAC=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 addresses and/or the Unknown MAC route are adverti= sed into a given

=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC. As an example, when all the DC MAC addresses a= re learned in the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 control/management plane, it may be appropriate to= advertise only the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Unknown MAC route.

=C2=A0

Is it not enough?<= u>

=C2=A0

Thank you.<= /span>

Jorge

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I have a question about the following paragraph in this draft:

>>>=C2=A0

=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 The solution specified in this document uses the 'Unknown MAC=
9; route
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 which is advertised into a given DC by each of the DC's GWs.=C2=
=A0 This
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 route is a regular EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route in which the MAC<=
/span>
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Address Length is set to 48, the MAC address is set to=

=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 00:00:00:00:00:00, the IP length is set to 0, and the ESI field is
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 set to the DC GW's I-ESI.

>>>=C2=A0

How does an ingress NVE tell the difference between an unknown MAC DA= that is reachable (but perhaps aged out) within the current DC versus a MA= C DA that is reachable in a remote DC?=C2=A0 In the first case, the correct action would be to replicate to all NVEs that participate in the incoming = packet's VN; in the second case the correct action is to unicast it to = the DC GW.=C2=A0 Is this assumption that the DC GW will then take over the = job of replicating to the NVEs within the DC?

=C2=A0

It would be good if some clarification can be added to the document.<= u>

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Anoop

=C2=A0

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:11 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org<= span>> wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Jorg= e Rabadan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Senthil Sathappan
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wim Henderickx
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ali Sajassi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John Drake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-06.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 27
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2018-01-22

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (N= VO) can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution a= nalyzes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual = Private
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, = such as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provi= der
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also descri= bes how
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnec= tion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In parti= cular,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gatew= ays
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, a= s well
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-h= oming,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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A diff from the previous version is available at:
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Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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--001a1140642a3fb4820563c4a133-- From nobody Mon Jan 29 00:27:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2EA129C6C; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 00:27:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.628 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.628 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dD-xaPBzNf5a; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 00:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69A8E129516; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 00:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by opfedar25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id DBBC3120623; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:27:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.27]) by opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id BABC7180075; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:27:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM7C.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8007:17b:c3b4:d68b%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:27:23 +0100 From: To: "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df Thread-Index: AdOY2sLz2JVrLLhYRMyg7cHiqlyLHQ== Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:27:23 +0000 Message-ID: <26309_1517214443_5A6EDAEB_26309_28_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB33D25@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB33D25OPEXCLILMA4corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:27:31 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB33D25OPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Working Group, This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review. 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    Hello Working Group,

   

    This email starts a Worki= ng Group Last Call on

    draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and

    ready for a final working= group review.

   

    Please read this document= if you haven't read the most recent version

    yet, and send your commen= ts to the list, no later than *12th of February*.

    Note that this is *not only* a= call for comments on the document; it is

    also a call for support (= or not) to publish this document as an Informational

    RFC.

   

    In addition, we are also = polling for knowledge of any IPR that

    applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has

    been disclosed in complia= nce with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,

    3669 and 5378 for more de= tails).

   

    If you are listed as a do= cument Author or Contributor of the draft

    please respond to this em= ail and indicate whether or not you are aware

    of any relevant IPR.=

   

    Note that, as of today, n= o IPR has been disclosed against this document

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    of what this document spe= cifies. This information is expected as per [2].

    Please inform the mailing list= , or the chairs, or only one of the chairs.

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Martin

   

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This information is expected as per [= 2]. > Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chai= rs. > =20 > Thank you, > Stephane & Martin > =20 > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df/ > [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkj= qDpw > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ > =20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confide= ntielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez rec= u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages e= lectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou= falsifie. 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Regards,
Nabeel

On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:51 AM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

Support this document, as co-author, for publication as Informational RFC.

Not aware of any related IPR.

 

Nokia SROS has a full implementation of this draft.

 

Thank you.

Jorge

 

 

From: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org>
Subject: WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>, <kiran.nagaraj@nokia.com>, <senthil.sathappan@nokia.com>, <vinod.prabhu@nokia.com>, <hliu@ciena.com>, <wlin@juniper.net>
Resent-Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM

 

    Hello Working Group,

   

    This email starts a Working Group Last Call on

    draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and

    ready for a final working group review.

   

    Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version

    yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *12th of February*.

    Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is

    also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informational

    RFC.

   

    In addition, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that

    applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has

    been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,

    3669 and 5378 for more details).

   

    If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft

    please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware

    of any relevant IPR.

   

    Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document

    or its earlier versions.

   

    We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or all

    of what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2].

    Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chairs.

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Martin

   

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df/

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw

 

 

 

 

 

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ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:47:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senthil Sathappan Wim Henderickx Ali Sajassi John Drake Filename : draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-07.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2018-01-29 Abstract: This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how the existing Technical Specifications apply to the Interconnection and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senad Palislamovic Wim Henderickx Ali Sajassi James Uttaro Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-07.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2018-01-29 Abstract: This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN (EVPN) in a simple and fairly common deployment scenario. The different EVPN procedures are explained on the example scenario, analyzing the benefits and trade-offs of each option. This document is intended to provide a simplified guide for the deployment of EVPN networks. 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group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:10:10 -0000 Support (as co-author).  I am not aware of any relevant IPR. On 1/11/2018 5:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux wrote: > Hello working group, > > This email starts a two-week call for adoption on > draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. > > Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both > cases, please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies > to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance > with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more > details). > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers > from all the Authors and Contributors. > > Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this Document. > > If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet > been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Thank you > > Martin & Stéphane > bess chairs > > [1] > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dlin-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dirb-2Dmcast_&d=DwID-g&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=7stPyA6kx51d5f5KWpyDfBgEFvAcVWze4dSLeBo-CU0&s=z4hVPM7sSHQ0TMPjGtGCgLP0bm6MtvyY2ctPT6kbSCQ&e= From nobody Mon Jan 29 10:11:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8D312FAB2; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:11:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: 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"bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c137f4e8ac6050563f05811" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:46:59 -0000 --94eb2c137f4e8ac6050563f05811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On January 26, 2018 at 7:27:04 PM, Sami Boutros (sboutros@vmware.com) wrote= : Hi! Do we need to submit a new draft with the changes? You can wait until other Last Call comments come in =E2=80=94 but please do= so before the IESG Telechat. Thanks! Alvaro. --94eb2c137f4e8ac6050563f05811 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On January 26, 2018 at 7:27:04 PM, Sami Boutros (= sboutros@vmware.com) wrote:

Hi!

Do we need to submit a new draft with the changes?

You can wait until other Last Call comments come in= =E2=80=94 but please do so before the IESG Telechat.

Thanks!

A= lvaro.


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([2600:1017:b814:5dcf:8508:f523:d96f:5e60]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q5sm8530338qkl.76.2018.01.29.15.31.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:31:56 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Nabeel Cocker X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15C114) In-Reply-To: <151628324602.31987.13673321210214245206@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:31:55 -0500 Cc: i-d-announce@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <151628324602.31987.13673321210214245206@ietfa.amsl.com> To: internet-drafts@ietf.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 23:32:02 -0000 Support Regards, Nabeel > On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:47 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directo= ries. > This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : AC-Influenced Designated Forwarder Election for E= VPN > Authors : Jorge Rabadan > Kiran Nagaraj > Senthil Sathappan > Vinod Prabhu > Autumn Liu > Wen Lin > Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2018-01-18 >=20 > Abstract: > The Designated Forwarder (DF) in EVPN networks is the PE responsible > for sending multicast, broadcast and unknown unicast traffic to a > multi-homed CE, on a given Ethernet Tag on a particular Ethernet > Segment (ES). 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Not aware of any related IPR. > Thanks, > Senthil. > =20 > =20 > From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) [mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.co= m]=20 > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:11 AM > To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) ; s= tephane.litkowski@orange.com; bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.auth= ors@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-= bess-evpn-ac-df > =20 > Support as contributor, not aware of IPR related to this draft > =20 > From: BESS on behalf of Jorge Rabadan > Date: Monday, 29 January 2018 at 03:53 > To: Stephane Litkowski , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-= bess-evpn-ac-df > =20 > Support this document, as co-author, for publication as Informational RFC.= > Not aware of any related IPR. > =20 > Nokia SROS has a full implementation of this draft. > =20 > Thank you. > Jorge > =20 > =20 > From: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" > Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM > To: "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@i= etf.org" > Subject: WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-a= c-df=20 > Resent-From: > Resent-To: , , , , , > Resent-Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM > =20 > Hello Working Group, > =20 > This email starts a Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and > ready for a final working group review. > =20 > Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version > yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *12th of Februa= ry*. > Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it i= s=20 > also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Inform= ational > RFC. > =20 > In addition, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that > applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has > been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,= > 3669 and 5378 for more details). > =20 > If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft > please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware= > of any relevant IPR. > =20 > Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this documen= t > or its earlier versions. > =20 > We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or al= l > of what this document specifies. 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Regards,
Jeff

On Jan 29, 2018, at 13:16, Nagaraj, Kiran (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <kiran.nagaraj@nokia.com> wrote:

Support this draft as well.

Thanks

Kiran

 

From: Sathappan, Senthil (Nokia - US/Mountain View) [mailto:senthil.sathappan@nokia.com]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:13 AM
To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>; stephane.litkowski@orange.com; bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df

 

Support this document as co-author. Not aware of any related IPR.

Thanks,

Senthil.

 

 

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) [mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:11 AM
To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>; stephane.litkowski@orange.com; bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df

 

Support as contributor, not aware of IPR related to this draft

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Jorge Rabadan <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 29 January 2018 at 03:53
To: Stephane Litkowski <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df

 

Support this document, as co-author, for publication as Informational RFC.

Not aware of any related IPR.

 

Nokia SROS has a full implementation of this draft.

 

Thank you.

Jorge

 

 

From: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org>
Subject: WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>, <kiran.nagaraj@nokia.com>, <senthil.sathappan@nokia.com>, <vinod.prabhu@nokia.com>, <hliu@ciena.com>, <wlin@juniper.net>
Resent-Date: Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM

 

    Hello Working Group,

   

    This email starts a Working Group Last Call on

    draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and

    ready for a final working group review.

   

    Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version

    yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *12th of February*.

    Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is

    also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informational

    RFC.

   

    In addition, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that

    applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has

    been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,

    3669 and 5378 for more details).

   

    If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft

    please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware

    of any relevant IPR.

   

    Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document

    or its earlier versions.

   

    We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or all

    of what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2].

    Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chairs.

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Martin

   

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df/

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw

 

 

 

 

 

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<14228_1517304904_5A703C48_14228_134_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB3535C@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 09:35:12 -0000 Hi, As shepherd of this document, please find below my comments. IMO, this is a very useful proposal. The document is quite easy to understa= nd with a good illustrated example. Overall comments: - I would encourage to have an acronym section containing all abbreviations= and the associated expansion. That could be a good best practice. - I'm wondering why this document intended status is Informational. It look= s to fill a major (IMO) miss from the basic specification and I would be ha= ppy to see it as a standard track document. Even if there is no protocol ex= tension involved, I think that standard track could make sense. Was this al= ready discussed ? - I'm not sure that we can say that this procedure is backward compatible. = I agree that there is no protocol extension involved but as it is mentioned= , we cannot mix PEs running the new procedure and PE running the old proced= ure. This must be ensured by the operator. Wouldn't it be better to add a f= lag/attribute to announce that a PE is capable to run this procedure ? Thus= , when PEs run the svc carving algo, if they know that all the PEs are capa= ble of this procedure, and they can all run it automatically. If there is o= ne or more PE in the set that is not capable, they fallback to the regular = procedure. - I would be in favor of having of deployment considerations section that d= eals with the backward compatibility and how to deploy the solution. - There are too much authors in the Author list. Would it be possible to re= duce it ? Problem statement:=20 "an ES route withdrawn will make...". [SLI] I have a doubt here, would it be "and ES route withdrawal will make" = or "a withdrawn ES route" ? Section 2.1 " After running the service-carving DF election algorithm" [SLI] Could you mention that you refer to the existing algorithm from RFC74= 32 ? Section 2.2/2.3: - Would it be possible to collapse the two cases in a single procedure upda= te ? - I do not like to mix examples with a procedure update description. I woul= d rather be in favor of focusing on what is changing compared to RFC7432. F= or instance, "The step 3 is changed as follows:". Keeping the example is re= ally good, so after describing the procedure, it makes sense to run it thro= ugh the example. Brgds, =A0 Stephane Litkowski=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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boundary="_000_AM5PR0701MB28362518FD4DAD649488C813E0E40AM5PR0701MB2836_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: b148e3ca-ffc8-4fd4-cbfa-08d567c5c655 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Jan 2018 09:42:27.5272 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB2707 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 09:46:20 -0000 --_000_AM5PR0701MB28362518FD4DAD649488C813E0E40AM5PR0701MB2836_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support progress and publish as RFC. The document is well written and resolves with a reasonable approach logica= l failures or human errors, that would otherwise result in significant serv= ice problems. I was wondering why this document, eventhough being backward compatible wit= h RFC7432, is Informational track, and not standard track. G/ From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 09:27 To: bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-= evpn-ac-df Hello Working Group, This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review. Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *12th of Februar= y*. Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informa= tional RFC. In addition, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or its earlier versions. We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or all of what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2= ]. Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chair= s. 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I support progress and publish as RFC.

 

The document is well written and resolves with a rea= sonable approach logical failures or human errors, that would otherwise res= ult in significant service problems.

I was wondering why this document, eventhough being = backward compatible with RFC7432, is Informational track, and not standard = track.

 

G/

 

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 09:27
To: bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-iet= f-bess-evpn-ac-df

 

    Hello Working Group,

   

    This email starts a Worki= ng Group Last Call on

    draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and

    ready for a final working= group review.

   

    Please read this document= if you haven't read the most recent version

    yet, and send your commen= ts to the list, no later than *12th of February*.

    Note that this is *not only* a= call for comments on the document; it is

    also a call for support (= or not) to publish this document as an Informational

    RFC.

   

    In addition, we are also = polling for knowledge of any IPR that

    applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has

    been disclosed in complia= nce with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,

    3669 and 5378 for more de= tails).

   

    If you are listed as a do= cument Author or Contributor of the draft

    please respond to this em= ail and indicate whether or not you are aware

    of any relevant IPR.=

   

    Note that, as of today, n= o IPR has been disclosed against this document

    or its earlier versions.<= o:p>

   

    We are **also polling for= knowledge of implementations** of part or all

    of what this document spe= cifies. This information is expected as per [2].

    Please inform the mailing list= , or the chairs, or only one of the chairs.

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Martin

   

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df/=

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= o:p>

 

 

 

 

 

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--_000_AM5PR0701MB28362518FD4DAD649488C813E0E40AM5PR0701MB2836_-- From nobody Tue Jan 30 04:41:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CC912E8AA; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 04:41:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.629 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.629 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J9K5AH7_6Wq3; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 04:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60E1E12EAA6; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 04:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr03.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.67]) by opfednr26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 1651120928; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:41:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.72]) by opfednr03.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id F013E1A0086; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:41:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:41:20 +0100 From: To: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org" CC: "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df Thread-Index: AdOY5rl5ODBZOc6MS9KMoyFYxmqD6gA4JV7Q Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:41:20 +0000 Message-ID: <15886_1517316081_5A7067F1_15886_4_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB3549B@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <14228_1517304904_5A703C48_14228_134_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB3535C@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <14228_1517304904_5A703C48_14228_134_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB3535C@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:41:25 -0000 Hi again, There is one point that I have missed. Section 4 uses an old version of the requirement language. Please use the l= atest one: The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as shown here. -----Original Message----- From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:35 To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df Hi, As shepherd of this document, please find below my comments. IMO, this is a very useful proposal. The document is quite easy to understa= nd with a good illustrated example. Overall comments: - I would encourage to have an acronym section containing all abbreviations= and the associated expansion. That could be a good best practice. - I'm wondering why this document intended status is Informational. It look= s to fill a major (IMO) miss from the basic specification and I would be ha= ppy to see it as a standard track document. Even if there is no protocol ex= tension involved, I think that standard track could make sense. Was this al= ready discussed ? - I'm not sure that we can say that this procedure is backward compatible. = I agree that there is no protocol extension involved but as it is mentioned= , we cannot mix PEs running the new procedure and PE running the old proced= ure. This must be ensured by the operator. Wouldn't it be better to add a f= lag/attribute to announce that a PE is capable to run this procedure ? Thus= , when PEs run the svc carving algo, if they know that all the PEs are capa= ble of this procedure, and they can all run it automatically. If there is o= ne or more PE in the set that is not capable, they fallback to the regular = procedure. - I would be in favor of having of deployment considerations section that d= eals with the backward compatibility and how to deploy the solution. - There are too much authors in the Author list. Would it be possible to re= duce it ? Problem statement:=20 "an ES route withdrawn will make...". [SLI] I have a doubt here, would it be "and ES route withdrawal will make" = or "a withdrawn ES route" ? Section 2.1 " After running the service-carving DF election algorithm" [SLI] Could you mention that you refer to the existing algorithm from RFC74= 32 ? Section 2.2/2.3: - Would it be possible to collapse the two cases in a single procedure upda= te ? - I do not like to mix examples with a procedure update description. I woul= d rather be in favor of focusing on what is changing compared to RFC7432. F= or instance, "The step 3 is changed as follows:". 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(localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9D012EAB3; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:20:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151740840421.7904.3925239637001107691@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:20:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-05.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:20:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Explicit Tracking with Wild Card Routes in Multicast VPN Authors : Andrew Dolganow Jayant Kotalwar Eric C. Rosen Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-05.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-31 Abstract: The MVPN specifications provide procedures to allow a multicast ingress node to invoke "explicit tracking" for a multicast flow or set of flows, thus learning the egress nodes for that flow or set of flows. However, the specifications are not completely clear about how the explicit tracking procedures work in certain scenarios. This document provides the necessary clarifications. It also specifies a new, optimized explicit tracking procedure. This new procedure allows an ingress node, by sending a single message, to request explicit tracking of each of a set of flows, where the set of flows is specified using a wildcard mechanism. This document updates RFC6625. 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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Explicit Tracking with Wild Card Routes in Multicast VPN Authors : Andrew Dolganow Jayant Kotalwar Eric C. Rosen Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-06.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-31 Abstract: The MVPN specifications provide procedures to allow a multicast ingress node to invoke "explicit tracking" for a multicast flow or set of flows, thus learning the egress nodes for that flow or set of flows. However, the specifications are not completely clear about how the explicit tracking procedures work in certain scenarios. This document provides the necessary clarifications. It also specifies a new, optimized explicit tracking procedure. This new procedure allows an ingress node, by sending a single message, to request explicit tracking of each of a set of flows, where the set of flows is specified using a wildcard mechanism. This document updates RFC6625. 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for delving into the details here.  This part of the writeup is very confusing (for which I have no one to blame but myself); I've tried to clarify in the -06 revision. On 1/18/2018 9:51 PM, Xiejingrong wrote: > > Issue clarification: > > According to chap 5.2 of this document: > > In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a > Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is > donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). > > This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA > flag untouched. > The flags are required to be left untouched only if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info". > Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with > NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT, and > N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with > NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT. > > Then according to chap 5.3  of this document: > > EgressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route. > > I guess, the said “a Leaf A-D route” should be the ONE of > LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. > > Then how should EgressABR deal with the the N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with > NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? > > It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which > only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. > > Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and > installed by EgressABR ? > > And then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit > tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ? > EgressABR originates Leaf A-D routes of its own if and when it knows that it has downstream receivers that are interested in receiving flows from IngressPE.  It may originate more than one Leaf A-D route if LIR-pF is set in the S-PMSI A-D route's PTA. > Question clarification: > > (1)Should such LeafAD routes with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and > installed by EgressABR ? This draft does not describe this. > If such routes carry EgressABR's import RT, and if their NLRIs match the NLRI of an S-PMSI A-D route installed by EgressABR, the Leaf A-D routes will be accepted and installed by EgressABR.  They are also relayed upstream (after changing the RT), as described in section 5.3. > (2)If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD type 16/17/18) be installed by > EgressABR, then according to your answer, the Leaf A-D routes (with RT > changed) will be ‘relay’ back to IngressPE. Right?  This draft does > not describe this either. > > (3)If the above two are correct, then We can use PTA flag=LIR+LIRpF> in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But > seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can’t be > used in Segmented P-tunnels scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, > LIR-pF Flag is used only when non segmented P-tunnels are used. > Yes, PTA can be used if segmented tunnels are used, and will enable the ingress PE to discover the egress PEs.  However, there will not be a tunnel directly from the ingress PE to egress PEs that are on the other side of a segmentation boundary. Draft-ietf-bier-mvpn states that, if segmented tunnels are used, LIR-pF should not be set in a PTA that specifies "BIER".  It doesn't say that the flag should not be set in a PTA that specifies "no tunnel info". If you are using segmented BIER, the segmentation boundary router needs to change the BitString when a packet goes from one BIER domain to another.  This means that when the router receives a BIER packet, it needs to be able to infer, from the MPLS label following the BIER header, what the new BitString is.  The value of the new BitString depends on the flow being carried.  Since the labels are assigned by the S-PMSI A-D routes, the ingress needs to originate an S-PMSI A-D route for each flow.  Thus it can't really benefit from the LIR-pF technique when segmentation is used.  (On the other hand, segmented Ingress Replication could benefit from the LIR-pF technique, because in that case, the labels are assigned by the Leaf A-D routes.) > Thanks. > > XieJingrong > > *From:*Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] > *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM > *To:* Xiejingrong ; bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 > > I apologize for the delay in answering this message. > > On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote: > > I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03. > > The chap 5.3 of this document said: > > Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and > LIR-pF > > flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged. > >    This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D > route > >    in response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an > >    egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding > S-PMSI A-D > >    route. > > The issue is as follow: > > In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a > Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI > is donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI > route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag > untouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with > NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT and > N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with > NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT. > All according to chap 5.2 of this document. > > Then according to chap 5.3  of this document: > > IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE > of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. > > > In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an > "IngressABR".  So I'm not completely sure that I understand your question. > > > Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=0) LeafAD routes > with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? > > It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, > which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. > > Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and > installed by EgressABR, and then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and > thus enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress > “segmentation domain” ? > > > The intention is the following.  Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies > the following two conditions: > > 1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route  with the following properties: > > - its NLRI has wildcards for S and G, > - its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE, > - its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set. > > 2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies > (S,G) with PE1 as ingress PE > > Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type > 16/17/18) specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1. > The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no > longer holds. > > Does this answer your question? > --------------42C75095A5838C75642067BD Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for delving into the details here.  This part of the writeup is very confusing (for which I have no one to blame but myself); I've tried to clarify in the -06 revision.

On 1/18/2018 9:51 PM, Xiejingrong wrote:

Issue clarification:

According to chap 5.2 of this document:

In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE).

This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched.


The flags are required to be left untouched only if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info".

Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>, and N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>.

 

Then according to chap 5.3  of this document:

EgressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route.

I guess, the said “a Leaf A-D route” should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT<EgressABR>.

 

Then how should EgressABR deal with the the N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR ?

And then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ?


EgressABR originates Leaf A-D routes of its own if and when it knows that it has downstream receivers that are interested in receiving flows from IngressPE.  It may originate more than one Leaf A-D route if LIR-pF is set in the S-PMSI A-D route's PTA.

 

 

Question clarification:

(1)     Should such LeafAD routes with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR ?  This draft does not describe this.


If such routes carry EgressABR's import RT, and if their NLRIs match the NLRI of an S-PMSI A-D route installed by EgressABR, the Leaf A-D routes will be accepted and installed by EgressABR.  They are also relayed upstream (after changing the RT), as described in section 5.3.

(2)     If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD type 16/17/18) be installed by EgressABR, then according to your answer, the Leaf A-D routes (with RT changed) will be ‘relay’ back to IngressPE. Right?  This draft does not describe this either.

(3)     If the above two are correct, then We can use PTA<type=NoTnlInfo, flag=LIR+LIRpF> in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But <draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-09> seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can’t be used in Segmented P-tunnels scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, LIR-pF Flag is used only when non segmented P-tunnels are used.


Yes, PTA<type=noinfo, flag=LIR+LIR-pF> can be used if segmented tunnels are used, and will enable the ingress PE to discover the egress PEs.  However, there will not be a tunnel directly from the ingress PE to egress PEs that are on the other side of a segmentation boundary.

Draft-ietf-bier-mvpn states that, if segmented tunnels are used, LIR-pF should not be set in a PTA that specifies "BIER".  It doesn't say that the flag should not be set in a PTA that specifies "no tunnel info".

If you are using segmented BIER, the segmentation boundary router needs to change the BitString when a packet goes from one BIER domain to another.  This means that when the router receives a BIER packet, it needs to be able to infer, from the MPLS label following the BIER header, what the new BitString is.  The value of the new BitString depends on the flow being carried.  Since the labels are assigned by the S-PMSI A-D routes, the ingress needs to originate an S-PMSI A-D route for each flow.  Thus it can't really benefit from the LIR-pF technique when segmentation is used.  (On the other hand, segmented Ingress Replication could benefit from the LIR-pF technique, because in that case, the labels are assigned by the Leaf A-D routes.)


 

 

Thanks.

XieJingrong

 

From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03

 

I apologize for the delay in answering this message.

On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote:

 

I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03.

 

The chap 5.3 of this document said:

 

Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-pF

flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged.

 

   This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route 

   in response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an

   egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D

   route.

 

The issue is as follow:

In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> and N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>. All according to chap 5.2 of this document.

 

Then according to chap 5.3  of this document:

IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT<IngressABR>.


In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "IngressABR".  So I'm not completely sure that I understand your question.


Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR, and then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ?


The intention is the following.  Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies the following two conditions:

1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route  with the following properties:

- its NLRI has wildcards for S and G,
- its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE,
- its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set.

2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) with PE1 as ingress PE

Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18) specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1.
The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longer holds.

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RFC 8317 Title: Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) Support in Ethernet VPN (EVPN) and Provider Backbone Bridging EVPN (PBB-EVPN) Author: A. Sajassi, Ed., S. Salam, J. Drake, J. Uttaro, S. Boutros, J. Rabadan Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: January 2018 Mailbox: sajassi@cisco.com, ssalam@cisco.com, jdrake@juniper.net, ju1738@att.com, sboutros@vmware.com, jorge.rabadan@nokia.com Pages: 23 Characters: 53519 Updates: RFC 7385 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-14.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8317 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8317 The MEF Forum (MEF) has defined a rooted-multipoint Ethernet service known as Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree). A solution framework for supporting this service in MPLS networks is described in RFC 7387, "A Framework for Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) Service over a Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Network". This document discusses how those functional requirements can be met with a solution based on RFC 7432, "BGP MPLS Based Ethernet VPN (EVPN)", with some extensions and a description of how such a solution can offer a more efficient implementation of these functions than that of RFC 7796, "Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) Support in Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS)". This document makes use of the most significant bit of the Tunnel Type field (in the P-Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel attribute) governed by the IANA registry created by RFC 7385; hence, it updates RFC 7385 accordingly. This document is a product of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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