From nobody Thu Feb 1 00:26:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE41131640 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 00:26:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FRepXWYzMBI for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 00:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F8CD13164A for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 00:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 2F590779CCB88 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:26:01 +0000 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 16:25:50 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: Eric C Rosen , "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 Thread-Index: AdN6NEanDCpPv20UQYKcimcePljNRgV/IaUAACeELtACbJK3gAAtCrOg Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:25:48 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15A3E@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A06375@nkgeml514-mbs.china.huawei.com> <8e57623a-2644-94e0-bc77-3138df4014f2@juniper.net> <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A13C38@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5f994dba-6cb3-2b82-4913-f0e9107f9c44@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <5f994dba-6cb3-2b82-4913-f0e9107f9c44@juniper.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15A3Enkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:26:40 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15A3Enkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fully understood, and -06 version is ok to me. Thanks for Eric's patient explanation. Thanks for Stephane also. In MVPN using BIER Segmented Scenario, ABR needs Per-flow's VpnLabels to do= further forwarding sticking, so that we can not use a SPMSI (*,*, PTA , but SPMSIs(S,G,PTA) will be good. From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:49 AM To: Xiejingrong ; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 Thanks for delving into the details here. This part of the writeup is very= confusing (for which I have no one to blame but myself); I've tried to cla= rify in the -06 revision. On 1/18/2018 9:51 PM, Xiejingrong wrote: Issue clarification: According to chap 5.2 of this document: In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S= -PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is donated as SPMS= I(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag unt= ouched. The flags are required to be left untouched only if the PTA specifies "no t= unnel info". Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,In= gressPE,EgressPE) and RT, and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(= type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT. Then according to chap 5.3 of this document: EgressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route. I guess, the said "a Leaf A-D route" should be the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2= RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. Then how should EgressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NL= RI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only = clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by= EgressABR ? And then 'relay' back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit trac= king inside the ingress "segmentation domain" ? EgressABR originates Leaf A-D routes of its own if and when it knows that i= t has downstream receivers that are interested in receiving flows from Ingr= essPE. It may originate more than one Leaf A-D route if LIR-pF is set in t= he S-PMSI A-D route's PTA. Question clarification: (1) Should such LeafAD routes with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and ins= talled by EgressABR ? This draft does not describe this. If such routes carry EgressABR's import RT, and if their NLRIs match the NL= RI of an S-PMSI A-D route installed by EgressABR, the Leaf A-D routes will = be accepted and installed by EgressABR. They are also relayed upstream (af= ter changing the RT), as described in section 5.3. (2) If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD type 16/17/18) be installed by= EgressABR, then according to your answer, the Leaf A-D routes (with RT cha= nged) will be 'relay' back to IngressPE. Right? This draft does not descri= be this either. (3) If the above two are correct, then We can use PTA in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can't be used in Segmented P-tunnels= scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, LIR-pF Flag is used only when non = segmented P-tunnels are used. Yes, PTA can be used if segmented tunnels= are used, and will enable the ingress PE to discover the egress PEs. Howe= ver, there will not be a tunnel directly from the ingress PE to egress PEs = that are on the other side of a segmentation boundary. Draft-ietf-bier-mvpn states that, if segmented tunnels are used, LIR-pF sho= uld not be set in a PTA that specifies "BIER". It doesn't say that the fla= g should not be set in a PTA that specifies "no tunnel info". If you are using segmented BIER, the segmentation boundary router needs to = change the BitString when a packet goes from one BIER domain to another. T= his means that when the router receives a BIER packet, it needs to be able = to infer, from the MPLS label following the BIER header, what the new BitSt= ring is. The value of the new BitString depends on the flow being carried.= Since the labels are assigned by the S-PMSI A-D routes, the ingress needs= to originate an S-PMSI A-D route for each flow. Thus it can't really bene= fit from the LIR-pF technique when segmentation is used. (On the other han= d, segmented Ingress Replication could benefit from the LIR-pF technique, b= ecause in that case, the labels are assigned by the Leaf A-D routes.) Thanks. XieJingrong From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM To: Xiejingrong ; be= ss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03 I apologize for the delay in answering this message. On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingrong wrote: I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03. The chap 5.3 of this document said: Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged. This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR only sends a Leaf A-D route in response to a "match for tracking" if it is on the path to an egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route. The issue is as follow: In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE send a Wildcard S= -PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag), whose NLRI is donated as SPMS= I(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressA= BR to EgressPE with PTA flag untouched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE Lea= fAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT= and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,Egres= sPE) and RT. All according to chap 5.2 of this document. Then according to chap 5.3 of this document: IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be the ONE of LeafAD(= type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT. In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "IngressABR". So = I'm not completely sure that I understand your question. Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with N= LRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT ? It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RFC7524, which only = clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD. Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by= EgressABR, and then 'relay' back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE e= xplicit tracking inside the ingress "segmentation domain" ? The intention is the following. Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies the f= ollowing two conditions: 1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route with the following properties: - its NLRI has wildcards for S and G, - its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE, - its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set. 2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) = with PE1 as ingress PE Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18)= specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1. The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longe= r holds. Does this answer your question? --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15A3Enkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fully u= nderstood, and -06 version is ok to me.

Thanks = for Eric's patient explanation.

Thanks = for Stephane also.

In MVPN= using BIER Segmented Scenario, ABR needs Per-flow's VpnLabels to do furthe= r forwarding sticking, so that we can not use a SPMSI (*,*, PTA <type=3D= BIER, flag=3DLIRpF, VpnLabel>, but SPMSIs(S,G,PTA<type=3DBIER, flag=3DLIR, VpnLabel>) will be good.

&n= bsp;

From: Eric C Rose= n [mailto:erosen@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:49 AM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03

 

Thanks for delving into the details here.  This part of the= writeup is very confusing (for which I have no one to blame but myself); I= 've tried to clarify in the -06 revision.

On 1/18/2018 9:51 PM, Xiejingrong wrote:

Issue c= larification:

According to chap 5.2 of this document:

In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE= send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). <= /span>

This SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE= with PTA flag untouched.


The flags are required to be left untouched only if the PTA specifies "= ;no tunnel info".


Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(ty= pe<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>, and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,Ingres= sPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>.

 

Then according to chap 5.3  of this document:=

EgressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route.

I guess, the said “a Leaf A-D route” should b= e the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT<Egr= essABR>.

 <= /span>

Then how should EgressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0) = LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RF= C7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be a= ccepted and installed by EgressABR ?

And then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus = enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingress “segmentation domain” ?


EgressABR originates Leaf A-D routes of its own if and when it knows that i= t has downstream receivers that are interested in receiving flows from Ingr= essPE.  It may originate more than one Leaf A-D route if LIR-pF is set= in the S-PMSI A-D route's PTA.


 <= /span>

 <= /span>

Questio= n clarification:

(= 1)   =   Should such LeafAD routes with type= <16/17/18>RD be accepted and installed by EgressABR ?  This draft does not des= cribe this.


If such routes carry EgressABR's import RT, and if their NLRIs match the NL= RI of an S-PMSI A-D route installed by EgressABR, the Leaf A-D routes will = be accepted and installed by EgressABR.  They are also relayed upstrea= m (after changing the RT), as described in section 5.3.


(= 2)   =   If the said Leaf A-D routes (with RD type 16/17/18) be= installed by EgressABR, then according to your answer, the Leaf A-D routes= (with RT changed) will be ‘relay’ back to IngressPE. Right?  This draft does not describe this either.

(= 3)   =   If the above two are correct, then We can use PTA<type=3DNoTnlInfo, fla= g=3DLIR+LIRpF> in segmented P-tunnels scenario? But <draft-ietf-b= ier-mvpn-09> seems to imply that LIR-pF flag can’t be used in Segmented P-tunnels scenario. Its chap 2.2.2 requires that, LIR-pF= Flag is used only when non segmented P-tunnels are used.


Yes, PTA<type=3Dnoinfo, flag=3DLIR+LIR-pF> can be used if segment= ed tunnels are used, and will enable the ingress PE to discover the egress = PEs.  However, there will not be a tunnel directly from the ingress PE= to egress PEs that are on the other side of a segmentation boundary.

Draft-ietf-bier-mvpn states that, if segmented tunnels are used, LIR-pF sho= uld not be set in a PTA that specifies "BIER".  It doesn't s= ay that the flag should not be set in a PTA that specifies "no tunnel = info".

If you are using segmented BIER, the segmentation boundary router needs to = change the BitString when a packet goes from one BIER domain to another.&nb= sp; This means that when the router receives a BIER packet, it needs to be = able to infer, from the MPLS label following the BIER header, what the new BitString is.  The value of the new Bit= String depends on the flow being carried.  Since the labels are assign= ed by the S-PMSI A-D routes, the ingress needs to originate an S-PMSI A-D r= oute for each flow.  Thus it can't really benefit from the LIR-pF technique when segmentation is used.  (On the= other hand, segmented Ingress Replication could benefit from the LIR-pF te= chnique, because in that case, the labels are assigned by the Leaf A-D rout= es.)



 <= /span>

 <= /span>

Thanks.=

XieJing= rong

 <= /span>

From: Eric C Rose= n [mailto:erosen@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 11:49 PM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejin= grong@huawei.com>; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03

 

I apologize for the delay in answering this = message.

On 12/21/2017 4:22 AM, Xiejingr= ong wrote:

 

I have a comment on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03.

 

The chap 5.3 of this document said:

 

Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the = LIR and LIR-pF

flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged.

 

   This will ensure that an egress ABR/ASBR onl= y sends a Leaf A-D route 

   in response to a "match for tracking&qu= ot; if it is on the path to an

   egress PE for the flow(s) identified in the = corresponding S-PMSI A-D

   route.

 

The issue is as follow:<= /o:p>

In a [IngressPE--EgressABR--EgressPE] topology, IngressPE= send a Wildcard S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA(flag<LIR+LIR-pF>), whose NLRI is donated as  SPMSI(type<0/1/2>RD,*,*,IngressPE). T= his SPMSI route will be relayed by EgressABR to EgressPE with PTA flag unto= uched. Then EgressPE will generate ONE LeafAD route with NLRI(type<0/1/2= >RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> and N(N>=3D0) LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,Ingres= sPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR>. All according to chap 5.2 of this do= cument.

 

Then according to chap 5.3  of this document:=

IngressABR will only send a Leaf A-D route, It should be = the ONE of LeafAD(type<0/1/2RD,*,*,IngressPE,EgressABR) with RT<IngressABR>.


In the example above, there is an "EgressABR" but not an "In= gressABR".  So I'm not completely sure that I understand your que= stion.



Then how should IngressABR deal with the the N(N>=3D0)= LeafAD routes with NLRI(type<16/17/18>RD,S,G,IngressPE,EgressPE) and RT<EgressABR> ?

It is not clarified in RFC7524 either. See chap 7.1 of RF= C7524, which only clarify LeafAD route with type<0/1/2>RD.

Should such LeafAD route with type<16/17/18>RD be a= ccepted and installed by EgressABR, and then ‘relay’ back to IngressPE, and thus enable IngressPE explicit tracking inside the ingre= ss “segmentation domain” ?


The intention is the following.  Suppose an egress ABR/ASBR satisfies = the following two conditions:

1. It has installed an S-PMSI A-D route  with the following properties= :

- its NLRI has wildcards for S and G,
- its NLRI specifies PE1 as the ingress PE,
- its PTA specifies "no tunnel info" and has LIR-pF set.

2. It has installed one or more Leaf A-D routes whose NLRI specifies (S,G) = with PE1 as ingress PE

Then the ABR/ASBR should originate a Leaf A-D route (with RD type 16/17/18)= specifying (S,G) with ingress PE1.
The Leaf A-D route would be withdrawn when one of these conditions no longe= r holds.

Does this answer your question?


 

--_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15A3Enkgeml514mbxchi_-- From nobody Fri Feb 2 00:04:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A54312F4E2; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 00:04:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLYt1TrAbaIS; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 00:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EA33124D6C; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 00:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id C94B958E2990C; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:48:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:47:31 +0000 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 15:47:11 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: "bier@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bier] [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bier-mvpn Thread-Index: AdOb+DRSc9gG+YyfSJGn3PjcdKHl6w== Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:47:11 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15C2C@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15C2Cnkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] [bier] Comments on draft-ietf-bier-mvpn X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 08:04:07 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15C2Cnkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Authors: I have a question about : whether we can leverage = LIR-pF in segmented tunnels scenario, to get a better multicast join latenc= y ? This draft states that Segmented P-tunnels require per-flow vpnlabel, so ha= ve to use S-PMSI(S,G) AD routes to carry such per-flow vpnLabel. Obviously, this will result in an increase in the number of routes, and mor= e importantly an increase in multicast join latency, comparing to the case = of Non-Segmented P-tunnels using LIR-pF. My consideration is , When all segments are type of BIER (greenfield), Is i= t possible to use a Per-vpn VpnLabel, and use LIR-pF for efficiently explic= it tracking ? like below: Topo: [SRC--IngressPE--ABR--EgressPE--RCV] 1) Use I-PMSI route with PTA and S-PMSI(*,*) route w= ith PTA , to advertise the Per-vpn Label,= and collect all the per-flow Leaf AD. 2) Or use a S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA , and Let ABR to re-generate a S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA to EgressPEs. Through have got a nice clarification from Eirc about , I found that this question still in my mind :-) Regards. XieJingrong --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15C2Cnkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Hi, Authors:<= /p>

 

I have a question about <dra= ft-ietf-bier-mvpn-09>: whether we can leverage LIR-pF in segmented tunne= ls scenario, to get a better multicast join latency ?

 

This draft states that Segmente= d P-tunnels require per-flow vpnlabel, so have to use S-PMSI(S,G) AD routes= to carry such per-flow vpnLabel.

 

Obviously, this will result in = an increase in the number of routes, and more importantly an increase in mu= lticast join latency, comparing to the case of Non-Segmented P-tunnels usin= g LIR-pF.

 

My consideration is , When all = segments are type of BIER (greenfield), Is it possible to use a Per-vpn Vpn= Label, and use LIR-pF for efficiently explicit tracking ? like below:<= /o:p>

 

Topo: [SRC--IngressPE--ABR--Egr= essPE--RCV]

1) Use I-PMSI route with PTA<= ;type=3DBIER, VpnLabel> and S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA <type=3DNonTnl= Info, Flag=3DLIR-pF>, to advertise the Per-vpn Label, and collect all th= e per-flow Leaf AD.

2) Or use a S-PMSI(*,*) route w= ith PTA <type=3DBIER, VpnLabel, Flag=3DLIR-pF>, and Let ABR to re-gen= erate a S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA <type =3D BIER, VpnLabel,  Flag= =3DLIR-pF> to EgressPEs.

 

Through have got a nice clarifi= cation from Eirc about <draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track>, I found tha= t this question still in my mind :-)

 

Regards.

XieJingrong

 

 

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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 1/24/2018 2:25 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: > “The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an >       S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA >       specifies "no tunnel info".” > > [SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on explicit tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applies here. > > > [Eric] RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, > but did not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry > a PTA.  This document corrects that. > > [SLI2] My point was that RFC6625 does not specify anything regarding > explicit tracking while your sentence says  “do not clearly state”. In > reality, it does not state anything about how explicit tracking works > for wildcard routes. > I see your point now.  I propose to change this in the -07 rev to:       The procedures of [RFC6625] do not address the case of an S-PMSI       A-D route whose NLRI contains wild cards, but whose PTA specifies       "no tunnel info". > “If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA >    SHOULD also be set.” > [SLI] Why not using a MUST ? > > > [Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will > work as intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a > MUST is appropriate. > > [SLI2] Ok so do we really care of having the LIR flag set ? If not, > couldn’t be a MAY ? I’m just wondering how important is to set the > LIR-flag here. It seems to be linked to the next sentence between > parenthesis. > > I understand that setting both allows to always have a response (per > flow or not per flow). Can we see this as an optional feature ? > My reasoning for suggesting that LIR SHOULD be set whenver LIR-pF is set is captured in the following sentence from the draft: (By setting LIR as well as LIR-pF, one forces a    a response to be sent by an egress node that does not support LIR-pF,    and it is possible to tell from that response that the egress node    does not support LIR-pF.) This is intended to be a troubleshooting aid.  Nodes that don't support LIR-pF will respond to the LIR flag, and the response to the LIR flag is different than the response to the LIR-pF flag, because the RD is modified.  LIR-pF really shouldn't be used unless all the PEs support it, and this is a way of detecting  a configuration/provisioning problem. I would be happy to hear others' opinions on whether this is a worthwhile hack. > “We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking".  This >    differs from the "match for reception" as follows:” > [SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the “match for tracking” before giving the rules. Here you’re explaining only the rules, not the difference in the meaning. Wouldn’t it be easier to tell that the implementation MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and then run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for “match for tracking” ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your previous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, so the rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the updated one. > > > [Eric] IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and > then illustrate with a couple of examples. > > [SLI2] You are right, I’m just challenging the fact that the text says > that it will explain how the match for tracking differs from the match > from reception but it does not. It’s the job of the reader to deduce > the difference from the rule you are giving. > Okay, I get your point now. In the -07 rev, I propose to eliminate the sentence "This differs ...", and to add the following sentence after the rule:       That is, the procedure for finding the match for tracking takes       into account S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify "no tunnel       information" and that have either LIR or LIR-pf set.  The       procedure for finding the match for reception ignores such routes. > “   Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or >    the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be >    generated.  See Section 5.” > [SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a match for tracking as there is no tracking requested. > > > [Eric] As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for > tracking" route for each flow.    If tracking is not requested, this > route will have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  There are no unnecessary routes. > > [SLI2] Agree, but based on my understanding such a route (with LIR and > LIR-pF clear) cannot be a match for tracking by definition : “ignore any S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies > >   "no tunnel information", but does not have either LIR or LIR-pF > > Set” > > So the statement  “if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set” is IMO wrong. As the terms are defined, the match for tracking could be a route whose PTA specifies a tunnel.    In this case, it would be the same as the match for reception.  The PTA of such a route could well have LIR and LIR-pF clear. > “If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the > > egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set, > > then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking, > > following procedures specified in other documents for the case > > where LIR is set.” > > [SLI] Please state the relevant document references here. > > > [Eric] In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is > not modified by this document.  I don't think it is necessary to cite > a specific set of documents that discuss the LIR flag. > > ad> maybe we can say “the procedures specified in this document do not > apply are not applicable on the egress node” instead of “then the > egress node…” > > [SLI2] That’s a good proposal > I've changed this to:        then the behavior of the egress node is not affected by the        procedures of this document. With regard to the modification of the RD, there are a couple of issues. [SLI2] I’m also wondering if we really need to differentiate the reply to a LIR-pF and to a LIR. The key point is for the ingress to know about the receivers for a particular (S,G). If the reply comes from a LIR or LIR-pF, IMO, it does not really matter. Is it ? The pre-existing procedures for processing a received Leaf A-D route require one to find the S-PMSI A-D route whose NLRI is identical to the "route key" field of the the Leaf A-D route's NLRI.   But if the Leaf A-D route was elicited by the LIR-pF flag, the NLRI of the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route won't be the same as the route key field of the Leaf A-D route's NLRI.  I thought it best to have some way of distinguishing these two cases.  You're right that it is not strictly necessary to the correct operation of the protocol, but it seems like a good hack for aiding debugging and troubleshooting. However, you are also right that the proposal for modifying the RD is problematic, for the reasons you give.  Using the high order bit of the RD field as a flag is also problematic, because an RD value of all 1's is already in use by RFC 7524. Perhaps a better approach would be to say that a Leaf A-D route sent in response to LIR-pF SHOULD (or perhaps MUST) contain a PTA with LIR-pF set.  That would convey the information without causing the RD registry problems that you've pointed out.  What do you think? > “However, if the PTA of the installed S-PMSI A-D route specifies "no > > tunnel info", the egress ABR/ASBR MUST pass the PTA along unchanged > > when it forwards the S-PMSI A-D route.  (That is, a PTA specifying > > "no tunnel info" MUST NOT be changed into a PTA specifying a tunnel.) > > Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR- > > pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged.” > > [SLI]Could you confirm that in case of SPMSI merging to IPMSI, the > SPMSI route is not forwarded. > I have to confess that I never thought there was a use case for S-PMSI merging to I-PMSI, and don't really know the procedures for that.    Hopefully, no one's ever deployed that. > I’m not fully familiar with interAS segmented case, but I have another > (possibly dumb) question. Is a merge case SPMSI regular (S,G) to SPMSI > wildcard possible ? (in a similar way as SPMSI to IPMSI). If yes, what > are the procedures here ? > I'm pretty sure there are no such procedures. > Section 8. > > [SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such “attack” ? Ingress PE > dropping ? > > > [Eric] I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be > outside the scope of the document. > > [SLI2] Fine, could you please state this in the security section ? > Okay, will be in the -07 rev. --------------89C3FB2C44EDFC59CAE20FCC Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 1/24/2018 2:25 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:
  
“The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an
      S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA
      specifies "no tunnel info".”
 
[SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on explicit tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applies here.


[Eric] RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but did not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA.  This document corrects that.

 

[SLI2] My point was that RFC6625 does not specify anything regarding explicit tracking while your sentence says  “do not clearly state”. In reality, it does not state anything about how explicit tracking works for wildcard routes.


I see your point now.  I propose to change this in the -07 rev to:

      The procedures of [RFC6625] do not address the case of an S-PMSI
      A-D route whose NLRI contains wild cards, but whose PTA specifies
      "no tunnel info".

 

 

“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA
   SHOULD also be set.”
[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?


[Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is appropriate.

 

[SLI2] Ok so do we really care of having the LIR flag set ? If not, couldn’t be a MAY ? I’m just wondering how important is to set the LIR-flag here. It seems to be linked to the next sentence between parenthesis.

I understand that setting both allows to always have a response (per flow or not per flow). Can we see this as an optional feature ?


My reasoning for suggesting that LIR SHOULD be set whenver LIR-pF is set is captured in the following sentence from the draft:

   (By setting LIR as well as LIR-pF, one forces a
   a response to be sent by an egress node that does not support LIR-pF,
   and it is possible to tell from that response that the egress node
   does not support LIR-pF.)

This is intended to be a troubleshooting aid.  Nodes that don't support LIR-pF will respond to the LIR flag, and the response to the LIR flag is different than the response to the LIR-pF flag, because the RD is modified.  LIR-pF really shouldn't be used unless all the PEs support it, and this is a way of detecting  a configuration/provisioning problem.

I would be happy to hear others' opinions on whether this is a worthwhile hack. 

 

 

“We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking".  This
   differs from the "match for reception" as follows:”
[SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the “match for tracking” before giving the rules. Here you’re explaining only the rules, not the difference in the meaning. Wouldn’t it be easier to tell that the implementation MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and then run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for “match for tracking” ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your previous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, so the rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the updated one.


[Eric] IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then illustrate with a couple of examples.

[SLI2] You are right, I’m just challenging the fact that the text says that it will explain how the match for tracking differs from the match from reception but it does not. It’s the job of the reader to deduce the difference from the rule you are giving.


Okay, I get your point now.

In the -07 rev, I propose to eliminate the sentence "This differs ...", and to add the following sentence after the rule:

      That is, the procedure for finding the match for tracking takes
      into account S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify "no tunnel
      information" and that have either LIR or LIR-pf set.  The
      procedure for finding the match for reception ignores such routes.

 

“   Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or
   the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be
   generated.  See Section 5.”
[SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a match for tracking as there is no tracking requested.


[Eric] As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking" route for each flow.    If tracking is not requested, this route will have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  There are no unnecessary routes.

 

[SLI2] Agree, but based on my understanding such a route (with LIR and LIR-pF clear) cannot be a match for tracking by definition : “ignore any S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies

      "no tunnel information", but does not have either LIR or LIR-pF

      Set”

So the statement  “if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set” is IMO wrong.

As the terms are defined, the match for tracking could be a route whose PTA specifies a tunnel.    In this case, it would be the same as the match for reception.  The PTA of such a route could well have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  

 

 

 

“If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the

       egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set,

       then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking,

       following procedures specified in other documents for the case

       where LIR is set.”

 

[SLI] Please state the relevant document references here.


[Eric] In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not modified by this document.  I don't think it is necessary to cite a specific set of documents that discuss the LIR flag.

ad> maybe we can say “the procedures specified in this document do not apply are not applicable on the egress node” instead of “then the egress node…”

 

                [SLI2] That’s a good proposal


I've changed this to:

       then the behavior of the egress node is not affected by the
       procedures of this document.

With regard to the modification of the RD, there are a couple of issues.

[SLI2] I’m also wondering if we really need to differentiate the reply to a LIR-pF and to a LIR. The key point is for the ingress to know about the receivers for a particular (S,G). If the reply comes from a LIR or LIR-pF, IMO, it does not really matter. Is it ?

The pre-existing procedures for processing a received Leaf A-D route require one to find the S-PMSI A-D route whose NLRI is identical to the "route key" field of the the Leaf A-D route's NLRI.   But if the Leaf A-D route was elicited by the LIR-pF flag, the NLRI of the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route won't be the same as the route key field of the Leaf A-D route's NLRI.  I thought it best to have some way of distinguishing these two cases.  You're right that it is not strictly necessary to the correct operation of the protocol, but it seems like a good hack for aiding debugging and troubleshooting.

However, you are also right that the proposal for modifying the RD is problematic, for the reasons you give.  Using the high order bit of the RD field as a flag is also problematic, because an RD value of all 1's is already in use by RFC 7524.

Perhaps a better approach would be to say that a Leaf A-D route sent in response to LIR-pF SHOULD (or perhaps MUST) contain a PTA with LIR-pF set.  That would convey the information without causing the RD registry problems that you've pointed out.  What do you think?

  
“However, if the PTA of the installed S-PMSI A-D route specifies "no

   tunnel info", the egress ABR/ASBR MUST pass the PTA along unchanged

   when it forwards the S-PMSI A-D route.  (That is, a PTA specifying

   "no tunnel info" MUST NOT be changed into a PTA specifying a tunnel.)

   Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR-

   pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged.”

 

[SLI]Could you confirm that in case of SPMSI merging to IPMSI, the SPMSI route is not forwarded.


I have to confess that I never thought there was a use case for S-PMSI merging to I-PMSI, and don't really know the procedures for that.    Hopefully, no one's ever deployed that. 

I’m not fully familiar with interAS segmented case, but I have another (possibly dumb) question. Is a merge case SPMSI regular (S,G) to SPMSI wildcard possible ? (in a similar way as SPMSI to IPMSI). If yes, what are the procedures here ?


I'm pretty sure there are no such procedures. 

 

 

Section 8.

[SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such “attack” ? Ingress PE dropping ?


[Eric] I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside the scope of the document.

[SLI2] Fine, could you please state this in the security section ?


Okay, will be in the -07 rev.



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working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 16:57:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------24CD29056738EB9BFED82D92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 1/16/2018 11:29 AM, Eric C Rosen wrote: >> “If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA >>    SHOULD also be set.” >> [SLI] Why not using a MUST ? > > [Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will > work as intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a > MUST is appropriate. Thinking about this more, I now think you are right that MUST would be better.  By saying MUST, we remove an unnecessary variation in behavior. --------------24CD29056738EB9BFED82D92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 1/16/2018 11:29 AM, Eric C Rosen wrote:
 
“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA
   SHOULD also be set.”
[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?

[Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is appropriate.

Thinking about this more, I now think you are right that MUST would be better.  By saying MUST, we remove an unnecessary variation in behavior.

--------------24CD29056738EB9BFED82D92-- From nobody Thu Feb 8 00:14:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A9512422F; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.618 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.618 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P-0BjUX9vDH2; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta134.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 093291205D3; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr02.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.66]) by opfednr25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 2C83A1807D5; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:13:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.72]) by opfednr02.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 0E1AE120065; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:13:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:13:52 +0100 From: To: Eric C Rosen , "draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track.authors@ietf.org" , "Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)" CC: "bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track Thread-Index: AdN5jsmXDQSoAwXXRoKBWZf9DikTzQVT/Z4AASHiCBADBpqHAABM7zFQ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:13:52 +0000 Message-ID: <19954_1518077633_5A7C06C1_19954_451_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB3CE0B@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <7712_1514984470_5A4CD416_7712_401_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB01322@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <18410_1516778715_5A6834DB_18410_457_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB2C31D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <5b146b22-465a-4904-73dc-9bf46d4b6b40@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <5b146b22-465a-4904-73dc-9bf46d4b6b40@juniper.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.2] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB3CE0BOPEXCLILMA4corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:14:13 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB3CE0BOPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, Thanks for your answers. Your proposed changes look fine to me. Regarding the RD modification, your proposal to reuse the PTA instead of tw= eaking the RD looks also better. Brgds, From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 21:29 To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track.authors@i= etf.org; Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) Cc: bess@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track On 1/24/2018 2:25 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: "The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle an S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains wild cards, but its PTA specifies "no tunnel info"." [SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on explicit = tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applies her= e. [Eric] RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but d= id not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA. T= his document corrects that. [SLI2] My point was that RFC6625 does not specify anything regarding explic= it tracking while your sentence says "do not clearly state". In reality, i= t does not state anything about how explicit tracking works for wildcard ro= utes. I see your point now. I propose to change this in the -07 rev to: The procedures of [RFC6625] do not address the case of an S-PMSI A-D route whose NLRI contains wild cards, but whose PTA specifies "no tunnel info". "If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that PTA SHOULD also be set." [SLI] Why not using a MUST ? [Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as = intended even if the LIR flag is not set. So I don't think a MUST is appro= priate. [SLI2] Ok so do we really care of having the LIR flag set ? If not, couldn'= t be a MAY ? I'm just wondering how important is to set the LIR-flag here. = It seems to be linked to the next sentence between parenthesis. I understand that setting both allows to always have a response (per flow o= r not per flow). Can we see this as an optional feature ? My reasoning for suggesting that LIR SHOULD be set whenver LIR-pF is set is= captured in the following sentence from the draft: (By setting LIR as well as LIR-pF, one forces a a response to be sent by an egress node that does not support LIR-pF, and it is possible to tell from that response that the egress node does not support LIR-pF.) This is intended to be a troubleshooting aid. Nodes that don't support LIR= -pF will respond to the LIR flag, and the response to the LIR flag is diffe= rent than the response to the LIR-pF flag, because the RD is modified. LIR= -pF really shouldn't be used unless all the PEs support it, and this is a w= ay of detecting a configuration/provisioning problem. I would be happy to hear others' opinions on whether this is a worthwhile h= ack. "We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking". This differs from the "match for reception" as follows:" [SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the "match for tracking" b= efore giving the rules. Here you're explaining only the rules, not the diff= erence in the meaning. Wouldn't it be easier to tell that the implementatio= n MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes that have a LIR flag and/or LR-p= F flag set and then run the same rules as the RFC6625. Why do you want to h= ave S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in your route list for "match for = tracking" ? You need to take care here on your text proposal as one of your= previous statement updates the RFC6625 and the match reception procedure, = so the rules to be applied are the original one from RFC6625 and not the up= dated one. [Eric] IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then = illustrate with a couple of examples. [SLI2] You are right, I'm just challenging the fact that the text says that= it will explain how the match for tracking differs from the match from rec= eption but it does not. It's the job of the reader to deduce the difference= from the rule you are giving. Okay, I get your point now. In the -07 rev, I propose to eliminate the sentence "This differs ...", and= to add the following sentence after the rule: That is, the procedure for finding the match for tracking takes into account S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify "no tunnel information" and that have either LIR or LIR-pf set. The procedure for finding the match for reception ignores such routes. " Also note that if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information will be generated. See Section 5." [SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a match f= or tracking as there is no tracking requested. [Eric] As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking" rou= te for each flow. If tracking is not requested, this route will have LIR= and LIR-pF clear. There are no unnecessary routes. [SLI2] Agree, but based on my understanding such a route (with LIR and LIR-= pF clear) cannot be a match for tracking by definition : "ignore any S-PMSI= A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel information", but does not have either LIR or LIR-pF Set" So the statement "if a match for tracking does not have the LIR flag or th= e LIR-pF flag set" is IMO wrong. As the terms are defined, the match for tracking could be a route whose PTA= specifies a tunnel. In this case, it would be the same as the match for= reception. The PTA of such a route could well have LIR and LIR-pF clear. "If the match for tracking has LIR set and if either (a) the egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set, then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking, following procedures specified in other documents for the case where LIR is set." [SLI] Please state the relevant document references here. [Eric] In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not mod= ified by this document. I don't think it is necessary to cite a specific s= et of documents that discuss the LIR flag. ad> maybe we can say "the procedures specified in this document do not appl= y are not applicable on the egress node" instead of "then the egress node..= ." [SLI2] That's a good proposal I've changed this to: then the behavior of the egress node is not affected by the procedures of this document. With regard to the modification of the RD, there are a couple of issues. [SLI2] I'm also wondering if we really need to differentiate the reply to a= LIR-pF and to a LIR. The key point is for the ingress to know about the re= ceivers for a particular (S,G). If the reply comes from a LIR or LIR-pF, IM= O, it does not really matter. Is it ? The pre-existing procedures for processing a received Leaf A-D route requir= e one to find the S-PMSI A-D route whose NLRI is identical to the "route ke= y" field of the the Leaf A-D route's NLRI. But if the Leaf A-D route was = elicited by the LIR-pF flag, the NLRI of the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route= won't be the same as the route key field of the Leaf A-D route's NLRI. I = thought it best to have some way of distinguishing these two cases. You're= right that it is not strictly necessary to the correct operation of the pr= otocol, but it seems like a good hack for aiding debugging and troubleshoot= ing. However, you are also right that the proposal for modifying the RD is probl= ematic, for the reasons you give. Using the high order bit of the RD field= as a flag is also problematic, because an RD value of all 1's is already i= n use by RFC 7524. Perhaps a better approach would be to say that a Leaf A-D route sent in res= ponse to LIR-pF SHOULD (or perhaps MUST) contain a PTA with LIR-pF set. Th= at would convey the information without causing the RD registry problems th= at you've pointed out. What do you think? "However, if the PTA of the installed S-PMSI A-D route specifies "no tunnel info", the egress ABR/ASBR MUST pass the PTA along unchanged when it forwards the S-PMSI A-D route. (That is, a PTA specifying "no tunnel info" MUST NOT be changed into a PTA specifying a tunnel.) Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tunnel info", the LIR and LIR- pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unchanged." [SLI]Could you confirm that in case of SPMSI merging to IPMSI, the SPMSI ro= ute is not forwarded. I have to confess that I never thought there was a use case for S-PMSI merg= ing to I-PMSI, and don't really know the procedures for that. Hopefully,= no one's ever deployed that. I'm not fully familiar with interAS segmented case, but I have another (pos= sibly dumb) question. Is a merge case SPMSI regular (S,G) to SPMSI wildcard= possible ? (in a similar way as SPMSI to IPMSI). If yes, what are the proc= edures here ? I'm pretty sure there are no such procedures. Section 8. [SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such "attack" ? Ingress PE droppi= ng ? [Eric] I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside = the scope of the document. [SLI2] Fine, could you please state this in the security section ? 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Hi Eric,

 

Thanks for your answer= s. Your proposed changes look fine to me.

 

Regarding the RD modif= ication, your proposal to reuse the PTA instead of tweaking the RD looks al= so better.

 

Brgds,

 

 

From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 21:29
To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track.au= thors@ietf.org; Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
Cc: bess@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track

 

On 1/24/2018 2:25 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:

  

“The procedures of [RFC6625] do not clearly state how to handle =
an
      S-PMSI A-D route if its NLRI contains w=
ild cards, but its PTA
      specifies "no tunnel info".&#=
8221;
 
[SLI] I quickly ran over RFC6625, it does not mention anything on expl=
icit tracking or Leaf A-D routes.So we assume that RFC6513/6514 only applie=
s here.


[Eric] RFC 6625 specifies the handling of wildcard S-PMSI A-D routes, but d= id not consider the case where the S-PMSI A-D routes do not carry a PTA.&nb= sp; This document corrects that.

 

[SLI2] My point was th= at RFC6625 does not specify anything regarding explicit tracking while your= sentence says  “do not clearly state”. In reality, it doe= s not state anything about how explicit tracking works for wildcard routes.


I see your point now.  I propose to change this in the -07 rev to:

      The procedures of [RFC6625] do not addr=
ess the case of an S-PMSI
      A-D route whose NLRI contains wild card=
s, but whose PTA specifies
      "no tunnel info".<=
/pre>








 


 


“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that =
PTA


   SHOULD also be set.”


[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?




[Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as =
intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is =
appropriate.


 


[SLI2] Ok so do we rea=
lly care of having the LIR flag set ? If not, couldn’t be a MAY ? I&#=
8217;m just wondering how important is to set the LIR-flag here. It seems t=
o be linked to the next sentence between parenthesis.


I understand that sett=
ing both allows to always have a response (per flow or not per flow). Can w=
e see this as an optional feature ?




My reasoning for suggesting that LIR SHOULD be set whenver LIR-pF is set is=
 captured in the following sentence from the draft:


   (By setting LIR as well as LIR-pF, one forces a


   a response to be sent by an egress node that does not sup=
port LIR-pF,


   and it is possible to tell from that response that the eg=
ress node


   does not support LIR-pF.)




This is intended to be a troubleshooting aid.  Nodes that don't suppor=
t LIR-pF will respond to the LIR flag, and the response to the LIR flag is =
different than the response to the LIR-pF flag, because the RD is modified.=
  LIR-pF really shouldn't be used unless
 all the PEs support it, and this is a way of detecting  a configurati=
on/provisioning problem.



I would be happy to hear others' opinions on whether this is a worthwhile h=
ack.  








 



 


“We also introduce a new notion: the "match for tracking&qu=
ot;.  This


   differs from the "match for reception" as follo=
ws:”


[SLI] It would be better to give a definition of the “match for =
tracking” before giving the rules. Here you’re explaining only =
the rules, not the difference in the meaning. Wouldn’t it be easier t=
o tell that the implementation MUST consider only the S-PMSI A-D routes tha=
t have a LIR flag and/or LR-pF flag set and then run the same rules as the =
RFC6625. Why do you want to have S-PMSI routes with PTA and LIR unset in yo=
ur route list for “match for tracking” ? You need to take care =
here on your text proposal as one of your previous statement updates the RF=
C6625 and the match reception procedure, so the rules to be applied are the=
 original one from RFC6625 and not the updated one.




[Eric] IMO, the clearest way to express this is to give the rules and then =
illustrate with a couple of examples.


[SLI2] You are right, =
I’m just challenging the fact that the text says that it will explain=
 how the match for tracking differs from the match from reception but it do=
es not. It’s the job of the reader to deduce
 the difference from the rule you are giving.




Okay, I get your point now.



In the -07 rev, I propose to eliminate the sentence "This differs ...&=
quot;, and to add the following sentence after the rule:<=
/p>

      That is, the procedure for finding the =
match for tracking takes


      into account S-PMSI A-D routes whose PT=
As specify "no tunnel


      information" and that have either =
LIR or LIR-pf set.  The


      procedure for finding the match for rec=
eption ignores such routes.









 


“   Also note that if a match for tracking does not ha=
ve the LIR flag or


   the LIR-pF flag set, no explicit tracking information wil=
l be


   generated.  See Section 5.”


[SLI] Again I do not see the value added of keeping such route as a ma=
tch for tracking as there is no tracking requested.




[Eric] As the terms are defined, there is always a "match for tracking=
" route for each flow.    If tracking is not requested,=
 this route will have LIR and LIR-pF clear.  There are no unnecessary =
routes.


 


[SLI2] Agree, but based on my understanding such a route (wi=
th LIR and LIR-pF clear) cannot be a match for tracking by definition : =
220;ignore any S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies


      "no tunnel information=
", but does not have either LIR or LIR-pF


      Set”


So the statement  “if a match for tracking=
 does not have the LIR flag or the LIR-pF flag set” is IMO wrong.




As the terms are defined, the match for tracking could be a route whose PTA=
 specifies a tunnel.    In this case, it would be the same a=
s the match for reception.  The PTA of such a route could well have LI=
R and LIR-pF clear. 









 


 


 


“If the match for tracking has LIR se=
t and if either (a) the


     &=
nbsp; egress node does not support LIR-pF, or (b) LIR-pF is not set,=



     &=
nbsp; then the egress node must respond to the match for tracking,


     &=
nbsp; following procedures specified in other documents for the case=



     &=
nbsp; where LIR is set.”


 


[SLI] Please state the relevant=
 document references here.




[Eric] In the case described above, the handling of the LIR flag is not mod=
ified by this document.  I don't think it is necessary to cite a speci=
fic set of documents that discuss the LIR flag.



ad> maybe we can say “the procedures specified in this document do=
 not apply are not applicable on the egress node” instead of “t=
hen the egress node…”


 


   &nbs=
p;            [SLI2]=
 That’s a good proposal




I've changed this to:


       then the behavior of the egress n=
ode is not affected by the


       procedures of this document.=





With regard to the modification of the RD, there are a couple of issues.



[SLI2] I’m also wondering if we =
really need to differentiate the reply to a LIR-pF and to a LIR. The key po=
int is for the ingress to know about the receivers for a particular
 (S,G). If the reply comes from a LIR or LIR-pF, IMO, it does not really ma=
tter. Is it ?



The pre-existing procedures for processing a receive=
d Leaf A-D route require one to find the S-PMSI A-D route whose NLRI is ide=
ntical to the "route key" field of the the Leaf A-D route's
 NLRI.   But if the Leaf A-D route was elicited by the LIR-pF fla=
g, the NLRI of the corresponding S-PMSI A-D route won't be the same as the =
route key field of the Leaf A-D route's NLRI.  I thought it best to ha=
ve some way of distinguishing these two cases. 
 You're right that it is not strictly necessary to the correct operation of=
 the protocol, but it seems like a good hack for aiding debugging and troub=
leshooting.



However, you are also right that the proposal for modifying the RD is probl=
ematic, for the reasons you give.  Using the high order bit of the RD =
field as a flag is also problematic, because an RD value of all 1's is alre=
ady in use by RFC 7524.



Perhaps a better approach would be to say that a Leaf A-D route sent in res=
ponse to LIR-pF SHOULD (or perhaps MUST) contain a PTA with LIR-pF set.&nbs=
p; That would convey the information without causing the RD registry proble=
ms that you've pointed out.  What do
 you think?








 



“However, if the PTA of the installed S-PMSI A-=
D route specifies "no


   tunnel info", the egress ABR/ASBR MUST p=
ass the PTA along unchanged


   when it forwards the S-PMSI A-D route.  =
(That is, a PTA specifying


   "no tunnel info" MUST NOT be change=
d into a PTA specifying a tunnel.)


   Furthermore, if the PTA specifies "no tu=
nnel info", the LIR and LIR-


   pF flags in the PTA MUST be passed along unch=
anged.”


 


[SLI]Could you confirm that in case of SPMSI merging to IP=
MSI, the SPMSI route is not forwarded.




I have to confess that I never thought there was a use case for S-PMSI merg=
ing to I-PMSI, and don't really know the procedures for that.  &n=
bsp; Hopefully, no one's ever deployed that. 









I’m not fully familiar with interAS segmented case, =
but I have another (possibly dumb) question. Is a merge case SPMSI regular =
(S,G) to SPMSI wildcard possible ? (in a similar way
 as SPMSI to IPMSI). If yes, what are the procedures here ?




I'm pretty sure there are no such procedures.  








 


 


Section 8.


[SLI] Do we have counter-measures against such “atta=
ck” ? Ingress PE dropping ?




[Eric] I consider the specification of such counter-measures to be outside =
the scope of the document.


[SLI2] Fine, could you=
 please state this in the security section ?




Okay, will be in the -07 rev.








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On 1/16/2018 11:29 AM, Eric C Rosen wrote:

 
“If the LIR-pF flag is set in a given PTA, the LIR flag of that =
PTA
   SHOULD also be set.”
[SLI] Why not using a MUST ?


[Eric] If all the PEs support the LIR-pF flag, the procedures will work as = intended even if the LIR flag is not set.  So I don't think a MUST is = appropriate.


Thinking about this more, I now think you are right that MUST would be bett= er.  By saying MUST, we remove an unnecessary variation in behavior.

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(localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BBC12D957 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 04:51:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qqE-VYM5H0EO for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 04:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5182912D882 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 04:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id D8E7AB812CA; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 04:51:24 -0800 (PST) To: hj2387@att.com, luay.jalil@verizon.com, rbonica@juniper.net, keyupate@cisco.com, lucy.yong@huawei.com, akatlas@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, stephane.litkowski@orange.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: alexander.vainshtein@ecitele.com, bess@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180208125124.D8E7AB812CA@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 04:51:24 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 04:54:05 -0800 Subject: [bess] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7543 (5258) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 12:51:44 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7543, "Covering Prefixes Outbound Route Filter for BGP-4". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5258 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Alexander ("Sasha") Vainshtein Section: Section 5 Original Text ------------- The UMR is characterized as follows: o EVPN Route Type is equal to MAC/IP Advertisement Route o MAC address length is equal to 0 o IP address length is equal to 0 Corrected Text -------------- In Section 5: The UMR is characterized as follows: o EVPN Route Type is equal to MAC/IP Advertisement Route o MAC address length is equal to 48 o IP address length is equal to 0 Notes ----- The original text provides conflicting definitions of the MAC Address Length in the Unknown MAC Route (UMR). Since the UMR is a MAC/IP Advertisement Route defined in RFC 7432, and since this RFC states that the MAC Address Length in these routes is 48, the text in Section 5 should be corrected to match RFC 7432 as well as the text in Section 1 of this RFC (where MAC Address Length in the UMR is correctly defined as 48). Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7543 (draft-ietf-bess-orf-covering-prefixes-06) -------------------------------------- Title : Covering Prefixes Outbound Route Filter for BGP-4 Publication Date : May 2015 Author(s) : H. Jeng, L. Jalil, R. Bonica, K. Patel, L. Yong Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : BGP Enabled Services Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Thu Feb 8 06:02:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C021F12DA09; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 06:01:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roni Even To: Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151809851776.17200.16974667997126761449@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 06:01:57 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-07 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 14:01:58 -0000 Reviewer: Roni Even Review result: Ready with Nits I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-?? Reviewer: Roni Even Review Date: 2018-02-08 IETF LC End Date: 2018-02-09 IESG Telechat date: 2018-02-22 Summary: The document is ready for publication as an Informational RFC Major issues: Minor issues: Nits/editorial comments: In section 3.1 toward the end "For example, we can use ingress replication for on EVI100" no need for "for on" From nobody Thu Feb 8 23:51:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03885129511; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 23:51:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tero Kivinen To: Cc: ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay.all@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151816267496.1260.17184693315315179259@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 23:51:15 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-08 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 07:51:15 -0000 Reviewer: Tero Kivinen Review result: Ready I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The security considerations section refers to several other documents describing other technologies (RFC7432], [EVPN-Overlays], [RFC7623], [RFC4761] and [RFC4762]) and continues to describe that the "DCI using GWs" method covered by this document is more secure than the other method "DCI using ASBRs". From nobody Fri Feb 9 14:13:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4D31270FC; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 14:13:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151821440691.23192.16933450202122955610@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 14:13:26 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-12.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 22:13:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : A Network Virtualization Overlay Solution using EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi John Drake Nabil Bitar R. Shekhar James Uttaro Wim Henderickx Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-12.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2018-02-09 Abstract: This document specifies how Ethernet VPN (EVPN) can be used as a Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) solution and explores the various tunnel encapsulation options over IP and their impact on the EVPN control-plane and procedures. In particular, the following encapsulation options are analyzed: Virtual Extensible LAN (VXLAN), Network Virtualization using Generic Routing Encapsulation (NVGRE), and MPLS over Generic Routing Encapsulation (GRE). This specification is also applicable to Generic Network Virtualization Encapsulation (GENEVE) encapsulation; however, some incremental work is required which will be covered in a separate document. This document also specifies new multi-homing procedures for split-horizon filtering and mass-withdraw. It also specifies EVPN route constructions for VXLAN/NVGRE encapsulations and Autonomous System Boundary Router (ASBR) procedures for multi-homing of Network Virtualization (NV) Edge devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Feb 11 05:44:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD10126C22; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:44:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.611 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R2RRTHYm8cSU; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw010.noc.ntt.com (mgw010.noc.ntt.com [210.160.55.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48061126BFD; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from c0043i0.coe.ntt.com (c0043i0.nc.agilit-hosting.com [10.18.161.12]) by mgw010.noc.ntt.com (NTT Com MailSV) with ESMTP id 2745257A00AA; 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Please send your comments to the L2SM list. In exceptional circumstances you may send your comments via the L2SM chairs. Thanks, Adrian From nobody Mon Feb 12 00:47:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05E3127011; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:47:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.629 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.629 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eiey6z7eYHhw; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13701120725; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.11]) by opfedar26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 579251C1348; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:47:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.59]) by opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 37949180065; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:47:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::ec23:902:c31f:731c%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:47:12 +0100 From: To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df Thread-Index: AdOY2sLz2JVrLLhYRMyg7cHiqlyLHQLASsig Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: <11934_1518425236_5A815494_11934_63_1_a03162ba-b433-4c1b-a592-8f260a16d4b2@OPEXCLILM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <26309_1517214443_5A6EDAEB_26309_28_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB33D25@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <26309_1517214443_5A6EDAEB_26309_28_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB33D25@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_a03162bab4334c1ba5928f260a16d4b2OPEXCLILM43corporateadr_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:47:21 -0000 --_000_a03162bab4334c1ba5928f260a16d4b2OPEXCLILM43corporateadr_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, Some discussions came in about this draft during the shepherd's review and = the WG last call. As Jorge's pointed on the list, the extended community from the HRW draft (= draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election) will be reused with some modifications: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/NkuEr7OPLNE01HbuLUa1x2s5k-Y After some discussions with the authors of both drafts, I have encouraged a= merge of the two proposals in a single NEW document describing the new ext= ended community and the two first use cases (HRW for the DF type, AC-DF for= the bitmap). Authors will start working on a merged document and will issue it asap. The= new draft should be published immediately as a WG document (as it comes fr= om a merge of two existing WG documents). The solutions will not change compared to what has already been discussed o= n the two drafts. As a consequence we expect to last call the new document = in the coming weeks (possibly after London). I encourage all of you to have a look on this merged document as soon as it= has been published so we can close this work. Thanks, Stephane From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 09:27 To: bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df.authors@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Last Call (including implem status) for draft-ietf-bess-= evpn-ac-df Hello Working Group, This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-03 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review. Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *12th of Februar= y*. Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informa= tional RFC. In addition, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or its earlier versions. We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or all of what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2= ]. Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chair= s. Thank you, Stephane & Martin [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df/ [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjq= Dpw ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Folks,

 

Some discussions came = in about this draft during the shepherd’s review and the WG last call= .

As Jorge’s point= ed on the list, the extended community from the HRW draft (draft-ietf-bess-= evpn-df-election) will be reused with some modifications:=

https://mailar= chive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/NkuEr7OPLNE01HbuLUa1x2s5k-Y

 

After some discussions= with the authors of both drafts, I have encouraged a merge of the two prop= osals in a single NEW document describing the new extended community and th= e two first use cases (HRW for the DF type, AC-DF for the bitmap).

Authors will start wor= king on a merged document and will issue it asap. The new draft should be p= ublished immediately as a WG document (as it comes from a merge of two exis= ting WG documents).

The solutions will not= change compared to what has already been discussed on the two drafts. As a= consequence we expect to last call the new document in the coming weeks (p= ossibly after London).

 

I encourage all of you= to have a look on this merged document as soon as it has been published so= we can close this work.

 

Thanks,

 

Stephane

 

 

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    Hello Working Group,

   

    This email starts a Worki= ng Group Last Call on

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    applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df, to ensure that IPR has

    been disclosed in complia= nce with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,

    3669 and 5378 for more de= tails).

   

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    Thank you,

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    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df/=

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= o:p>

 

 

 

 

 

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To the authors, could you please republish as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-00? thank you M&S Le 2018-01-11 à 11:11, Martin Vigoureux a écrit : > Hello working group, > > This email starts a two-week call for adoption on > draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. > > Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both > cases, please also state the reasons). > > This poll runs until *the 26th of January*. > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies > to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance > with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more > details). > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. 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It has already been implemented by number of vendors and has > had pretty good consensus. > > Regards, > > Ali > From nobody Tue Feb 13 08:11:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E6812EA9E for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:11:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 36sg5RqQVvWn for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x22e.google.com (mail-ot0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AC1112D7F5 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id q9so17756942oti.0 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=yRs5dgIbaoBaDtAZw1LFM1EpbiMwJ2FltcveJAVH3XM=; b=Y9RJQKvuBGyn3R15K7gdcmCDkrlHz3LXtj9RaGvebxqJnnivT5YkeRAQZKiZ/SxDk0 W73tIGlmBReNgbC4ORoEFQmNU/ULUDuwIdqJFQDLEQPK6DmijgPsZcoNpuxfk2e/9Q/d JEjD19JmokkXOgEBbtaoqtaCv0oaKQ1Dq5teRPsIj7RgQyaZfErNRyJolpKGmPKs8v0Y +GD+4Fm+yk3l6iIEXTPCqI+z9WiOjn3iIxQzAA9QHyRxR516/P+ohlx9QIscbWhRaNyq twrr190D9vuXmbF004FsgTN7mvbAlO6ijf6bdJJApXM0mWWbb517Jo5vfuTrcsWlvLhM qmEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=yRs5dgIbaoBaDtAZw1LFM1EpbiMwJ2FltcveJAVH3XM=; b=a/FbezsLRc4OYjylBEuL3wDYhSca1DHb/xezd8UgRiHimqsK189AytfyQjjg6dCqvs kA8E3g/UGV+OfEnWUCaSVGstih39FyGz+RMJZO3UnTJ4sjaW1ImclO7wojpPbe9IGTok oQQDsH1mQEvXkV4AR0T6Zk/m9K+hnE2VuJsNUmH48yHugfPxqqLPyCQ95rBRGKtuc+Fb H3LaGn5u8ixI5txWxJhAU5MN/iUTorRDuUxeVffEIvPyq2OaUtSCMDObqqw63ZMwtbGd bzSLD3krfmh3GO2WZjekvMvhTrGkX1p5TF4ChaFDt9KbntKJwVBNn3u9UrmwVydjZuVw G2sw== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPBD/XntScQJzO8zCzpcWj+zxR3YwBZRg5Wtfolrplgw0gmxLObE x8Zw3AQj3aznXwFgIUwRpYTMjghRgFFuSHWKWeg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227kuvLRUXOOWd0QsgToRuKs4lGx60UzoXaMJVIPpmxLndaMYBMApDOsB2S8fpPUYOW9kHeP8Ge2RRKmlk6zcw4= X-Received: by 10.157.67.43 with SMTP id s40mr1191698ote.3.1518538273194; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:11:12 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: To: bess@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1c048a5a093805651a3e0a" Archived-At: Subject: [bess] New bess WG Co-Chair X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:11:16 -0000 --94eb2c1c048a5a093805651a3e0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear bess WG: As you know, Martin has been selected as a Routing AD starting next month at IETF 101 in London. As a result, he will be stepping down as bess co-chair. Martin: thank you for all the work and time you have dedicated to the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to working with you in your new rol= e. Congratulations! In consultation with Stephane and the other ADs, we have asked Matthew Bocci to take on the role of bess Co-Chair. Matthew is an experienced Chair (he is also the Co-Chair of nvo3, and has served in other WGs) and has been participating in the IETF for over a decade. I am adding Matthew as a third Chair to facilitate the transition. The expectation is that he will fully take over for Martin at IETF 101. Welcome Matthew! Matthew can be reached at matthew.bocci@nokia.com. Thanks! Alvaro. --94eb2c1c048a5a093805651a3e0a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dear bess WG:<= /font>

As you know, Martin has been selected as a Routing AD = starting next month at IETF 101 in London.=C2=A0 As a result, he will be st= epping down as bess co-chair.=C2=A0 Martin: thank you for all the work and = time you have dedicated to the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to working = with you in your new role.=C2=A0 Congratulations!

In consultation with Stephane and the other ADs, we have asked Matthew = Bocci to take on the role of bess Co-Chair.=C2=A0 Matthew is an experienced= Chair (he is also the Co-Chair of nvo3, and has served in other WGs) and h= as been participating in the IETF for over a decade.

I am adding Matthew as a third Chair to facilitate the transition.= =C2=A0 The expectation is that he will fully take over for Martin at IETF 1= 01.=C2=A0 Welcome Matthew!

Matthew can be re= ached at matthew.bocci@nokia.com= .

Thanks!

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multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113b047cbb81af05651be4f3" Archived-At: Subject: [bess] AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-09 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:09:24 -0000 --001a113b047cbb81af05651be4f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear authors: I just finished reading this document. I am glad to finally get to process it -- thank you for the work! I do have a long list of comments (see below). Many of my major ones are related to the use of Normative Language and some other clarifications, including places where I think the technology might still be underspecified. Central to the technology specified in this document is the use of an Overlay Index. The use cases make clear the use, but there is no place where it is discussed what it is (except for "An Overlay Index is a next-hop that requires a recursive resolution...", which doesn't provide significant information) or how/when to use it (except for the use cases in Section 4). I think the readability would be improved if there was a section (or paragraph) that explicitly talked about the concept. Suggestion: put it somewhere in Section 2.1, *before* the name is introduced ("...associated to an Overlay Index that can be a VA IP address, a floating IP address, a MAC address or an ESI."). Thanks! Alvaro. Major: M1. Support for RT-5 M1.1. Section 3 says: The support for this new route type is OPTIONAL. Since this new route type is OPTIONAL, an implementation not supporting it MUST ignore the route, based on the unknown route type value, as specified by Section 5.4 in [RFC7606]. (1) I understand what you mean by "OPTIONAL" above -- from an IETF process point of view it means that you're not formally Updating rfc7432, so EVPN compliant implementations (according to rfc7432) may not support this new route. However, from the point of view of this specification, the support cannot be optional because otherwise then there would be no point in writing this document; IOW, if you want to use RT-5, then you MUST support it. (2) You cannot specify in this document what implementations not supporting this specification should do (much less use a MUST to describe that), because, by definition, those implementations don't know about this document. The text above just repeats what rfc7606 already says...so in reality you seem to be making a statement about backwards compatibility: nothing bad will happen if an implementation not supporting this specification receives the new route because of rfc7606. Suggestion: NEW> According to Section 5.4 in [RFC7606], a node that doesn't recognize the RT-5 will ignore it. Add something about backwards compatibility... [This change would also allow rfc7606 to become an Informative Reference.] M1.2. I do have a question. If the operation of the network, for instance in the case described in 2.2, depends on the RT-5, but a node ignores it (because it doesn't support it yet), what is the effect? I'm assuming that the result will be that none of the routes associated to vIP23 will be known, so no traffic will be sent to it (even if the ownership is known). That seems to mean that all nodes (NVEs) MUST support RT-5 for the system to work, right? (This relates back to the "OPTIONAL" nature in the text above.) Please include this operational consideration somewhere. M2. Section 3.1 (IP Prefix Route Encoding) M2.1. "RD, Ethernet Tag ID and MPLS Label fields will be used as defined in [RFC7432] and [EVPN-OVERLAY]." Both documents use those fields in different ways depending on the route type and the application -- you need to be more specific. Note also that a couple of bullets later there is a specification for the MPLS Label field. M2.1.1. Depending on the specifics, we may need EVPN-OVERLAY to be a Normative reference. M2.2. "The IP Prefix will be a 32 or 128-bit field (ipv4 or ipv6). The size of this field does not depend on the value of the IP Prefix Length field." Does that mean that the IP Prefix Length field can be set (for example) to a number > 32 while the IP Prefix and GW IP Address fields both contain IPv4 addresses? That doesn't make sense, but the text currently allows it! M2.3. BTW, there's nothing in the document that talks about what should be an error and what do to about them. An example is the case above...another one would be if the IP Prefix Length is set to anything > 128...etc. M2.4. [minor] I noticed that rfc7432 uses IP Address Length/IP Address instead of IP Prefix Length/IP Prefix...and that the setting and meaning are slightly different. For my own education, why the change? Having discrete values for the length, for example, seems cleaner and simpler than a range... M2.5. [minor] s/GW IP (Gateway IP Address)/GW (Gateway) IP Address field M2.6. [minor] The figure shows the lengths in octets, but the description talks about bits for the IP addresses. Please be consistent. M2.7. [minor] The figures in 3 and 3.1 don't have names. M3. Section 3.2 says that "an Overlay Index can be an ESI, IP address in the address space of the tenant or MAC address". How do I know which one? Table 1 provides an answer, but I think there are a couple of inconsistencies and contradictions...and several open questions: M3.1. From 3.2: The ESI and GW IP fields MAY both be zero, however they MUST NOT both be non-zero at the same time. A route containing a non-zero GW IP and a non-zero ESI (at the same time) will be treated as- withdraw. M3.1.1. [minor] s/treated as-withdraw/treat-as-withdraw ...and please add a reference to rfc7606 after "treat-as-withdraw".] M3.1.2. The "MAY" above is out of place because it just represents a fact, the Normative part is covered by the "MUST NOT". s/MAY/may M3.1.3. The text above (and the table) reflect that if the ESI or the GW IP are non-zero, then the other one must be 0. However, 3.1 says that the GW IP "SHOULD be zero if it is not used as an Overlay Index." The problem here is that if the GW IP is not used as an Overlay Index, then it may still be non-zero (because the SHOULD leaves that door open), and if the ESI is also non-zero (because it is the Overlay Index) then we should treat-as-withdraw. IOW, I think that the "SHOULD" should be a "MUST" -- or are there cases where the GW IP would be non-zero (if it is not the Overlay Index)? M3.2. Table 1 is missing the combination where ESI is Zero, GW-IP is Non-Zero and the MAC is Non-Zero. I would assume that the result is still GW-IP. If that is the case, then explicitly indicating it would be beneficial. Suggestion: "If either the ESI or GW-IP are non-zero, then one of them will be the Overlay Index, regardless of whether the EC is present or the value of the Label..." M3.3. The Notes for Table 1 mention a couple of examples of invalid MAC addresses, but it doesn't explain what a valid one is. I hope that draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding talks about that, but I couldn't find anything there right away. It would be ideal to put a reference, and (if not in the other draft) to remember to add it... M3.4. The only requirement for the ESI or GW-IP seems to be a non-zero value...but that is obviously not enough. I hope that rfc7432 contains something along the lines of a valid ESI and maybe even something about IP addresses in the EVPN context... Please reference that. M3.5. For the cases where both ESI and GW-IP are zero, the zero/zero MAC and Label combination is missing. Section 3.1 says that "If the received MPLS Label value is zero, the route MUST contain an Overlay Index...", but if the other 3 values are all zero, now what? Should a route in those conditions result also in treat-as-withdraw? M3.6. If the Router's MAC Extended Community is present, but the address is invalid, does that translate to zero or non-zero in the table? M3.7. The second Note on the Table says that "Overlay Index may be the RT-5's MAC address or None, depending on the local policy of the receiving NVE/PE", but a few paragraphs before (still in 3.2) the text says that "Overlay Index for a given IP Prefix is set by local policy at the NVE that originates an RT-5 for that IP Prefix". That results in a contradiction (or at least an incomplete specification of that case): is the policy set at the originator or the receiver? What if they conflict? M3.8. [minor] At the start of 3.2 it says that an "Overlay Index can be an ESI, IP address in the address space of the tenant or MAC address"...but towards the end of that section the text says that "The Overlay Index is None...different Overlay Indexes supported by RT-5 (GW IP, ESI, MAC or None)". It seems to me that the Overlay Index is not really "None", but that there is no Overlay Index in some cases...is that correct? Please clarify. M3.9. "Any other use-case using a given Overlay Index, SHOULD follow the procedures described in this document for the same Overlay Index." Why is "SHOULD" used? Are there use cases that are not applicable to this specification? If so, please mention them. If not, or if you don't know, then why keep the "SHOULD", or even make that statement at all? M4. From 3.2: "Irrespective of the recursive resolution, if there is no IGP or BGP route to the BGP next-hop of an RT-5, BGP SHOULD fail to install the RT-5 even if the Overlay Index can be resolved." Why is that a "SHOULD" and not a "MUST"? Are there cases for which the RT-5 would be installed? M5. Section 4 is introduced by saying that it "describes some use-cases". I take that to mean that it includes examples of how the technology specified in Section 3 is used. That seems to be correct, except that the use cases in the 4.4.* sections contain Normative Language. In general, please let the examples be examples and keep the Normative nature in the specification part of the document. Some specifics... M5.1. Both 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 end with: "An EVPN IP-VRF-to-IP-VRF implementation is REQUIRED to support the ingress and egress procedures described in this section." Not only does that sound obvious (otherwise this document wouldn't exist), but I don't know what the Normative requirement is beyond supporting RT-5 as described in this document. The text seems superfluous to me. M5.2. Section 4.4.3 ends with: "This model is OPTIONAL for an EVPN IP-VRF-to-IP-VRF implementation." The optional nature of any of the procedures should be reflected in Section 3. The text also seems superfluous to me. M5.3. Section 4.4.1 contains the following Normative text: o The second one is the Router's MAC Extended Community as per [EVPN-INTERSUBNET] containing the MAC address associated to the NVE advertising the route. This MAC address identifies the NVE/DGW and MAY be re-used for all the IP-VRFs in the NVE. The Router's MAC Extended Community MUST be sent if the route is associated to an Ethernet NVO tunnel, for instance, VXLAN. If the route is associated to an IP NVO tunnel, for instance VXLAN GPE with IP payload, the Router's MAC Extended Community SHOULD NOT be sent. Section 3.1 just says that RT-5 "MAY be sent along with a Router's MAC Extended Community" (and not "MUST" as it says above). However, I see nothing (related to the Normative Language) that this text specifies that is not already in, or contradicts, 3.*, is that true? If so, then you should be able to just use lower case for the rfc2119 keywords. M5.3.1. "GW IP= SHOULD be set to 0" s/SHOULD be set to 0/set to 0 M5.4. Section 4.4.2 also has Normative language: M5.4.1. In some cases (for example: "Label value SHOULD be zero..."), the Normative language seems to just indicate a fact, not a specification. Later again: "Label= SHOULD be set to 0." s/SHOULD/should M5.4.2. "The Router's MAC Extended Community SHOULD NOT be sent in this case." This is another example of a fact...going back to Table 1, (IIRC) it doesn't matter if the MAC EC is present... s/SHOULD NOT/should not M5.4.3. "This route-target MAY be the same as the one used with the RT-5." This sounds like another fact to me. s/MAY/may M5.5. Normative Language in Section 4.4.3 M5.5.1. "SHOULD be set to 0": sounds like a statement of fact s/SHOULD/should M5.5.2. "This MAC address MAY be re-used for all the IP-VRFs in the NVE." s/MAY/may M6. The Security Considerations Section only says that "The security considerations discussed in [RFC7432] apply to this document." Ok, fine, but why? Is it because this document doesn't add new functionality? No. Is it because this document uses the same procedures? Not really. Why? Are there considerations specific to the new RT-5? Maybe not...but at least say so. What about the dependency between RT-5 and other route types (RT-2 or RT-1) in some use cases: where if both are not present then it doesn't work..? Could that be considered a security issue? Can a router in the middle of the network drop RT-5 (or RT-2/RT-1) and cause the resulting routing to either not be possible or be different? Is there anything that can be done to mitigate that? [Note: just thinking out loud. It seems to be possible to filter out RT-5 (or any type) routes...] M7. The Reference to EVPN-INTERSUBNET should be Normative because the Router's MAC Extended Community is used here. Minor: P1. The text uses "will be" in several places. Being more prescriptive (and using rfc2119 Normative language, if needed) is the right way to clearly specify the expected behavior. Please revise. P2. While the bess reader will understand when the text talks about "BD-10 route-target", it will not be straight forward for the typical reader to connect the two because a BD is defined as a "broadcast domain" and the relationship to a RT is not clear. Please add text to the terminology section to make the connection. P3. In 4.2, vIP23 is used as the floating IP. But simply "IP23" is used in the description -- so the Figure and the description don't match. Note that 2.1 uses vIP23 throughout. P4. In 4.3, this "MAY" is out of place: "the VNI MAY directly identify the egress interface". Not only is it part of an example (no place for Normative language), but it is just stating a fact. s/MAY/may P5. References: RFC4364 can be Informative. Nits: N1. Move Section 6 (Conventions used in this document) up into the Terminology Section. And please use the template from rfc8174. N2. SN and DGW are used in many places, but were not introduced/defined. N3. Please don't use "we"; e.g. s/we assume/it is assumed N4. s/M3"/M3 N5. "...this route is used to address the current and future inter-subnet connectivity requirements" Future requirements? Now do you know that? ;-) N6. s/"EVPN Route Types/"EVPN Route Types" N7. In 3.1: s/IP Prefix advertisement route NLRI/IP Prefix Route Type N8. s/ipv4/IPv4 N9. s/ipv6/IPv6 N10. Ethernet Tag ID is used un some places, and Eth-Tag ID in others. N11. In the use cases, the "M" variable is not defined. N12. Please expand GARP. N13. The narrative/format of the use cases in 4.1-4.3 is different than what is in 4.4.* -- it would be nice for the format to be consistent. N14. Figure 7 has "IP10", but the text talks about "IP1". --001a113b047cbb81af05651be4f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dear authors:

<= /div>
I just finished read= ing this document.=C2=A0 I am glad to finally get to process it -- thank yo= u for the work!

=
I do have a long li= st of comments (see below).=C2=A0 Many of my major ones are related to the = use of Normative Language and some other clarifications, including places w= here I think the technology might still be underspecified.

Central to the technology specified in this documen= t is the use of an Overlay Index.=C2=A0 The use cases make clear the use, b= ut there is no place where it is discussed what it is (except for "An = Overlay Index is a next-hop that requires a recursive resolution...", = which doesn't provide significant information) or how/when to use it (e= xcept for the use cases in Section 4). =C2=A0 I think the readability would= be improved if there was a section (or paragraph) that explicitly talked a= bout the concept.=C2=A0 Suggestion: put it somewhere in Section 2.1, *befor= e* the name is introduced ("...associated to an Overlay Index that can= be a VA IP address, a floating IP address, a MAC address or an ESI.")= .

Thanks!

Alvaro.


<= div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"margin:0px">Major:

M1. Support for RT-5

M1.1. Section 3 says:

=C2=A0= =C2=A0The support for this new route type is OPTIONAL.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Since this new route type is OPTIONAL, an= implementation not
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0supporting it MUST ignore the route, based on the unknown rout= e type
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= value, as specified by Section 5.4 in [RFC7606].

(1) I understand what you mean by "OPTIONAL" abov= e -- from an IETF process point of view it means that you're not formal= ly Updating rfc7432, so EVPN compliant implementations (according to rfc743= 2) may not support this new route.=C2=A0 However, from the point of view of= this specification, the support cannot be optional because otherwise then = there would be no point in writing this document; IOW, if you want to use R= T-5, then you MUST support it.

(2) = You cannot specify in this document what implementations not supporting thi= s specification should do (much less use a MUST to describe that), because,= by definition, those implementations don't know about this document.= =C2=A0 The text above just repeats what rfc7606 already says...so in realit= y you seem to be making a statement about backwards compatibility: nothing = bad will happen if an implementation not supporting this specification rece= ives the new route because of rfc7606.

Suggestion:
NEW&= gt;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Acc= ording to Section 5.4 in [RFC7606], a node that doesn't recognize the R= T-5 will ignore it.=C2=A0 Add something about backwards compatibility...

[This change would also allow rfc7606= to become an Informative Reference.]

M1.2. I do have a question.=C2=A0 If the operation of the network, for i= nstance in the case described in 2.2, depends on the RT-5, but a node ignor= es it (because it doesn't support it yet), what is the effect?=C2=A0 I&= #39;m assuming that the result will be that none of the routes associated t= o vIP23 will be known, so no traffic will be sent to it (even if the owners= hip is known).=C2=A0 That seems to mean that all nodes (NVEs) MUST support = RT-5 for the system to work, right? =C2=A0(This relates back to the "O= PTIONAL" nature in the text above.) =C2=A0Please include this operatio= nal consideration somewhere.



M2. Section 3.1 (IP Prefix Route Enc= oding)

M2.1. "RD, Ethernet Tag= ID and MPLS Label fields will be used as defined in [RFC7432] and [EVPN-OV= ERLAY]." =C2=A0Both documents use those fields in different ways depen= ding on the route type and the application -- you need to be more specific.= =C2=A0 Note also that a couple of bullets later there is a specification fo= r the MPLS Label field.

M2.1.1. Dep= ending on the specifics, we may need EVPN-OVERLAY to be a Normative referen= ce.

M2.2. "The IP Prefix will = be a 32 or 128-bit field (ipv4 or ipv6). The size of this field does not de= pend on the value of the IP Prefix Length field." =C2=A0Does that mean= that the IP Prefix Length field can be set (for example) to a number > = 32 while the IP Prefix and GW IP Address fields both contain IPv4 addresses= ?=C2=A0 That doesn't make sense, but the text currently allows it!

M2.3. BTW, there's nothing in the d= ocument that talks about what should be an error and what do to about them.= =C2=A0 An example is the case above...another one would be if the IP Prefix= Length is set to anything > 128...etc.

M2.4. [minor] I noticed that rfc7432 uses IP Address Length/IP Addr= ess instead of IP Prefix Length/IP Prefix...and that the setting and meanin= g are slightly different.=C2=A0 For my own education, why the change?=C2=A0= Having discrete values for the length, for example, seems cleaner and simp= ler than a range...
=
M2.5. [minor] s= /GW IP (Gateway IP Address)/GW (Gateway) IP Address field

M2.6. [minor] The figure shows the lengths in octets= , but the description talks about bits for the IP addresses.=C2=A0 Please b= e consistent.

M2.7. [minor] The fig= ures in 3 and 3.1 don't have names.



=
M3. Section 3.2 says that= "an Overlay Index can be an ESI, IP address in the address space of t= he tenant or MAC address".=C2=A0 How do I know which one?=C2=A0 Table = 1 provides an answer, but I think there are a couple of inconsistencies and= contradictions...and several open questions:

M3.1. From 3.2:

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0The ESI and GW IP fields MAY both be zero, however they MUST NOT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0both be non= -zero at the same time. A route containing a non-zero GW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IP and a non-zero ESI (at= the same time) will be treated as-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0withdraw.

M3.1.1. [minor] s/treated as-withdraw/treat-as-withdraw ...and please a= dd a reference to rfc7606 after "treat-as-withdraw".]

M3.1.2. The "MAY" above is out of pl= ace because it just represents a fact, the Normative part is covered by the= "MUST NOT". s/MAY/may

M3= .1.3. The text above (and the table) reflect that if the ESI or the GW IP a= re non-zero, then the other one must be 0.=C2=A0 However, 3.1 says that the= GW IP "SHOULD be zero if it is not used as an Overlay Index." = =C2=A0The problem here is that if the GW IP is not used as an Overlay Index= , then it may still be non-zero (because the SHOULD leaves that door open),= and if the ESI is also non-zero (because it is the Overlay Index) then we = should treat-as-withdraw. IOW, I think that the "SHOULD" should b= e a "MUST" -- or are there cases where the GW IP would be non-zer= o (if it is not the Overlay Index)?

M3.2. Table 1 is missing the combination where ESI is Zero, GW-IP is Non-Z= ero and the MAC is Non-Zero.=C2=A0 I would assume that the result is still = GW-IP.=C2=A0 If that is the case, then explicitly indicating it would be be= neficial.=C2=A0 Suggestion: "If either the ESI or GW-IP are non-zero, = then one of them will be the Overlay Index, regardless of whether the EC is= present or the value of the Label..."

M3.3. The Notes for Table 1 mention a couple of examples of invali= d MAC addresses, but it doesn't explain what a valid one is.=C2=A0 I ho= pe that draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding talks about that, but = I couldn't find anything there right away.=C2=A0 It would be ideal to p= ut a reference, and (if not in the other draft) to remember to add it...

M3.4. The only requirement for the ES= I or GW-IP seems to be a non-zero value...but that is obviously not enough.= =C2=A0 I hope that rfc7432 contains something along the lines of a valid ES= I and maybe even something about IP addresses in the EVPN context...=C2=A0 = Please reference that.

M3.5. For th= e cases where both ESI and GW-IP are zero, the zero/zero MAC and Label comb= ination is missing.=C2=A0 Section 3.1 says that "If the received MPLS = Label value is zero, the route MUST contain an Overlay Index...", but = if the other 3 values are all zero, now what?=C2=A0 Should a route in those= conditions result also in treat-as-withdraw?

M3.6. If the Router's MAC Extended Community is present, but= the address is invalid, does that translate to zero or non-zero in the tab= le?

M3.7. The second Note on the Ta= ble says that "Overlay Index may be the RT-5's MAC address or None= , depending on the local policy of the receiving NVE/PE", but a few pa= ragraphs before (still in 3.2) the text says that "Overlay Index for a= given IP Prefix is set by local policy at the NVE that originates an RT-5 = for that IP Prefix".=C2=A0 That results in a contradiction (or at leas= t an incomplete specification of that case): is the policy set at the origi= nator or the receiver?=C2=A0 What if they conflict?

M3.8. [minor] At the start of 3.2 it says that an "Ov= erlay Index can be an ESI, IP address in the address space of the tenant or= MAC address"...but towards the end of that section the text says that= "The Overlay Index is None...different Overlay Indexes supported by R= T-5 (GW IP, ESI, MAC or None)".=C2=A0 It seems to me that the Overlay = Index is not really "None", but that there is no Overlay Index in= some cases...is that correct?=C2=A0 Please clarify.

M3.9. "Any other use-case using a given Overlay Inde= x, SHOULD follow the procedures described in this document for the same Ove= rlay Index." =C2=A0Why is "SHOULD" used?=C2=A0 Are there use= cases that are not applicable to this specification?=C2=A0 If so, please m= ention them.=C2=A0 If not, or if you don't know, then why keep the &quo= t;SHOULD", or even make that statement at all?



M4. From 3.2:= "Irrespective of the recursive resolution, if there is no IGP or BGP = route to the BGP next-hop of an RT-5, BGP SHOULD fail to install the RT-5 e= ven if the Overlay Index can be resolved." =C2=A0Why is that a "S= HOULD" and not a "MUST"?=C2=A0 Are there cases for which the= RT-5 would be installed?



M5. Section 4 is introduced by saying t= hat it "describes some use-cases".=C2=A0 I take that to mean that= it includes examples of how the technology specified in Section 3 is used.= =C2=A0 That seems to be correct, except that the use cases in the 4.4.* sec= tions contain Normative Language.=C2=A0 In general, please let the examples= be examples and keep the Normative nature in the specification part of the= document. =C2=A0 Some specifics...

M5.1. Both 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 end with: "An EVPN IP-VRF-to-IP-VRF implem= entation is REQUIRED to support the ingress and egress procedures described= in this section." =C2=A0Not only does that sound obvious (otherwise t= his document wouldn't exist), but I don't know what the Normative r= equirement is beyond supporting RT-5 as described in this document.=C2=A0 T= he text seems superfluous to me.

M5= .2. Section 4.4.3 ends with: "This model is OPTIONAL for an EVPN IP-VR= F-to-IP-VRF implementation." =C2=A0The optional nature of any of the p= rocedures should be reflected in Section 3.=C2=A0 The text also seems super= fluous to me.

M5.3. Section 4.4.1 c= ontains the following Normative text:

=C2=A0o The second one is the Router's MAC Extended Community as per=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0[EVPN-= INTERSUBNET] containing the MAC address associated to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the NVE advertising the rout= e. This MAC address identifies the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0NVE/DGW and MAY be re-used for all the IP-VRFs= in the NVE. The
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Router's MAC Extended Community MUST be sent if the route is<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0associa= ted to an Ethernet NVO tunnel, for instance, VXLAN. If
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the route is associated to = an IP NVO tunnel, for instance
=C2=A0 =C2=A0VXLAN GPE with IP payload, the Router's MAC Ext= ended Community
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0SHOULD NOT be sent.

Secti= on 3.1 just says that RT-5 "MAY be sent along with a Router's MAC = Extended
Community&q= uot; (and not "MUST" as it says above).=C2=A0 However, I see noth= ing (related to the Normative Language) that this text specifies that is no= t already in, or contradicts, 3.*, is that true?=C2=A0 If so, then you shou= ld be able to just use lower case for the rfc2119 keywords.

M5.3.1. "GW IP=3D SHOULD be set to 0" = =C2=A0s/SHOULD be set to 0/set to 0

M5.4. Section 4.4.2 also has Normative language:

M5.4.1. In some cases (for example: "Label value SHOUL= D be zero..."), the Normative language seems to just indicate a fact, = not a specification.=C2=A0 Later again: "Label=3D SHOULD be set to 0.&= quot; =C2=A0 s/SHOULD/should

M5.4.2= . "The Router's MAC Extended Community SHOULD NOT be sent in this = case." =C2=A0This is another example of a fact...going back to Table 1= , (IIRC) it doesn't matter if the MAC EC is present... =C2=A0s/SHOULD N= OT/should not

M5.4.3. "This ro= ute-target MAY be the same as the one used with the RT-5." =C2=A0This = sounds like another fact to me. =C2=A0s/MAY/may

M5.5. Normative Language in Section 4.4.3

M5.5.1. "SHOULD be set to 0": sounds like a s= tatement of fact s/SHOULD/should

M5= .5.2. "This MAC address MAY be re-used for all the IP-VRFs in the NVE.= " =C2=A0s/MAY/may



M6. The Security Considerations Section on= ly says that "The security considerations discussed in [RFC7432] apply= to this document." =C2=A0Ok, fine, but why?=C2=A0 Is it because this = document doesn't add new functionality?=C2=A0 No.=C2=A0 Is it because t= his document uses the same procedures? Not really.=C2=A0 Why?

Are there considerations specific to the new RT= -5?=C2=A0 Maybe not...but at least say so.

What about the dependency between RT-5 and other route types (RT-2 = or RT-1) in some use cases: where if both are not present then it doesn'= ;t work..?=C2=A0 Could that be considered a security issue?=C2=A0 Can a rou= ter in the middle of the network drop RT-5 (or RT-2/RT-1) and cause the res= ulting routing to either not be possible or be different?=C2=A0 Is there an= ything that can be done to mitigate that? =C2=A0[Note: just thinking out lo= ud.=C2=A0 It seems to be possible to filter out RT-5 (or any type) routes..= .]



M7. The Reference to EVPN-INTERSUBNET should be Normative beca= use the Router's MAC Extended Community is used here.



Minor:<= /div>

P1. The text uses "will be&quo= t; in several places.=C2=A0 Being more prescriptive (and using rfc2119 Norm= ative language, if needed) is the right way to clearly specify the expected= behavior. =C2=A0 Please revise.

P2= . While the bess reader will understand when the text talks about "BD-= 10 route-target", it will not be straight forward for the typical read= er to connect the two because a BD is defined as a "broadcast domain&q= uot; and the relationship to a RT is not clear.=C2=A0 Please add text to th= e terminology section to make the connection.

P3. In 4.2, vIP23 is used as the floating IP.=C2=A0 But simply &= quot;IP23" is used in the description -- so the Figure and the descrip= tion don't match.=C2=A0 Note that 2.1 uses vIP23 throughout.

P4. In 4.3, this "MAY" is out of pl= ace: "the VNI MAY directly identify the egress interface".=C2=A0 = Not only is it part of an example (no place for Normative language), but it= is just stating a fact. =C2=A0s/MAY/may

P5. References: RFC4364 can be Informative.



Nits:

N1. Move Section 6 (Conventions used in thi= s document) up into the Terminology Section.=C2=A0 And please use the templ= ate from rfc8174.
N2. SN and DGW ar= e used in many places, but were not introduced/defined.

N3. Please don't use "we"; e.g. s/we ass= ume/it is assumed
N4. s/M3"/M3=

N5. "...this route is used = to address the current and future inter-subnet connectivity requirements&qu= ot; =C2=A0Future requirements?=C2=A0 Now do you know that? ;-)

N6. s/"EVPN Route Types/"EVPN Route T= ypes"

N7. In 3.1: s/IP Prefix = advertisement route NLRI/IP Prefix Route Type

N8. s/ipv4/IPv4

N9. s/ip= v6/IPv6

N10. Ethernet Tag ID is use= d un some places, and Eth-Tag ID in others.

N11. In the use cases, the "M" variable is not defined.<= /div>

N12. Please expand GARP.

N13. The narrative/format of the use cases in= 4.1-4.3 is different than what is in 4.4.* -- it would be nice for the for= mat to be consistent.

N14. Figure 7= has "IP10", but the text talks about "IP1".
=

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(PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.9.0.180116 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:00:37 -0800 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Alvaro Retana , Message-ID: <0FB1E331-3CD2-453E-A92C-D6ABAE61F95E@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: [bess] New bess WG Co-Chair References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3601368039_852015497" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] New bess WG Co-Chair X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:00:55 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3601368039_852015497 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Martin - thank for all the great work done! Matthew =E2=80=93 welcome! =20 Cheers, Jeff From: BESS on behalf of Alvaro Retana Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 08:11 To: Subject: [bess] New bess WG Co-Chair =20 Dear bess WG: =20 As you know, Martin has been selected as a Routing AD starting next month a= t IETF 101 in London. As a result, he will be stepping down as bess co-chai= r. Martin: thank you for all the work and time you have dedicated to the WG= =E2=80=94 we all look forward to working with you in your new role. Congratulati= ons! =20 In consultation with Stephane and the other ADs, we have asked Matthew Bocc= i to take on the role of bess Co-Chair. Matthew is an experienced Chair (he= is also the Co-Chair of nvo3, and has served in other WGs) and has been par= ticipating in the IETF for over a decade. =20 I am adding Matthew as a third Chair to facilitate the transition. The exp= ectation is that he will fully take over for Martin at IETF 101. Welcome Ma= tthew! =20 Matthew can be reached at matthew.bocci@nokia.com. =20 Thanks! =20 Alvaro. =20 _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf= .org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess=20 --B_3601368039_852015497 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Martin - thank for all the great work done!

Matthew =E2=80=93 welcome!

 

= Cheers,

Jeff

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alvaro Retana <a= retana.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 08:1= 1
To: <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] New bess WG = Co-Chair

 

=  

As you know, Martin has been sele= cted as a Routing AD starting next month at IETF 101 in London.  As a r= esult, he will be stepping down as bess co-chair.  Martin: thank you fo= r all the work and time you have dedicated to the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward= to working with you in your new role.  Congratulations!<= span style=3D'mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>

 

In consultation with Stephane and the other ADs, we have= asked Matthew Bocci to take on the role of bess Co-Chair.  Matthew is = an experienced Chair (he is also the Co-Chair of nvo3, and has served in oth= er WGs) and has been participating in the IETF for over a decade.

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I am adding Matthew as a third Chair to facilitate t= he transition.  The expectation is that he will fully take over for Mar= tin at IETF 101.  Welcome Matthew!

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Ma= tthew can be reached at matthew.bocci@nokia.com.

 

Thanks!

 

Alvaro.

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Martin, Thanks for all your help and for being great WG Ch= air on multiple documents.

Welcome, Matthew!
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Cheers,

Gaurav

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:1= 1 AM, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dear bess WG:

As you know, Mart= in has been selected as a Routing AD starting next month at IETF 101 in Lon= don.=C2=A0 As a result, he will be stepping down as bess co-chair.=C2=A0 Ma= rtin: thank you for all the work and time you have dedicated to the WG =E2= =80=94 we all look forward to working with you in your new role.=C2=A0 Cong= ratulations!

In consultation with Stephane and the other ADs, we have asked M= atthew Bocci to take on the role of bess Co-Chair.=C2=A0 Matthew is an expe= rienced Chair (he is also the Co-Chair of nvo3, and has served in other WGs= ) and has been participating in the IETF for over a decade.

I am adding Matth= ew as a third Chair to facilitate the transition.=C2=A0 The expectation is = that he will fully take over for Martin at IETF 101.=C2=A0 Welcome Matthew!=

M= atthew can be reached at matthew.bocci@nokia.com.
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Thanks!

Alvaro.


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--f403045c158047870805651d7e7e-- From nobody Tue Feb 13 12:11:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91B31200F1; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:11:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151855268778.16905.7987474378288733161@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:11:27 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:11:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : EVPN Optimized Inter-Subnet Multicast (OISM) Forwarding Authors : Wen Lin Zhaohui Zhang John Drake Eric C. Rosen Jorge Rabadan Ali Sajassi Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-00.txt Pages : 72 Date : 2018-02-13 Abstract: Ethernet VPN (EVPN) provides a service that allows a single Local Area Network (LAN), i.e., a single IP subnet, to be distributed over multiple sites. The sites are interconnected by an IP or MPLS backbone. Intra-subnet traffic (either unicast or multicast) always appears to the endusers to be bridged, even when it is actually carried over the IP backbone. When a single "tenant" owns multiple such LANs, EVPN also allows IP unicast traffic to be routed between those LANs. This document specifies new procedures that allow inter- subnet IP multicast traffic to be routed among the LANs of a given tenant, while still making intra-subnet IP multicast traffic appear to be bridged. These procedures can provide optimal routing of the inter-subnet multicast traffic, and do not require any such traffic to leave a given router and then reenter that same router. These procedures also accommodate IP multicast traffic that needs to travel to or from systems that are outside the EVPN domain. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:08:30 -0000 FYI, this draft is just a refresh of draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04.txt, with only some changes in the boilerplate (per RFC 8174) and some updates to the references. On 2/13/2018 3:11 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. > > Title : EVPN Optimized Inter-Subnet Multicast (OISM) Forwarding > Authors : Wen Lin > Zhaohui Zhang > John Drake > Eric C. Rosen > Jorge Rabadan > Ali Sajassi > Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-00.txt > Pages : 72 > Date : 2018-02-13 > > Abstract: > Ethernet VPN (EVPN) provides a service that allows a single Local > Area Network (LAN), i.e., a single IP subnet, to be distributed over > multiple sites. The sites are interconnected by an IP or MPLS > backbone. Intra-subnet traffic (either unicast or multicast) always > appears to the endusers to be bridged, even when it is actually > carried over the IP backbone. When a single "tenant" owns multiple > such LANs, EVPN also allows IP unicast traffic to be routed between > those LANs. This document specifies new procedures that allow inter- > subnet IP multicast traffic to be routed among the LANs of a given > tenant, while still making intra-subnet IP multicast traffic appear > to be bridged. These procedures can provide optimal routing of the > inter-subnet multicast traffic, and do not require any such traffic > to leave a given router and then reenter that same router. These > procedures also accommodate IP multicast traffic that needs to travel > to or from systems that are outside the EVPN domain. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dirb-2Dmcast_&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=jOiBBQ6wFN6KIPuIY_yUoHAmSdV4mjeb_0wDoNuxeo8&s=64K9IlRkCFQ2SEk22CHRPFDIV-tbgB2vFZggUGDTrtk&e= > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dirb-2Dmcast-2D00&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=jOiBBQ6wFN6KIPuIY_yUoHAmSdV4mjeb_0wDoNuxeo8&s=IqalBZN_p6GIqZ_nuS68TFV1AAGXj3S_4hpPFa-e32o&e= > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dirb-2Dmcast-2D00&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=jOiBBQ6wFN6KIPuIY_yUoHAmSdV4mjeb_0wDoNuxeo8&s=mo_0ZW7h-1IBW2F_A1LpEcQbcBaYozCtBYZZk72uKtI&e= > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=ftp-3A__ftp.ietf.org_internet-2Ddrafts_&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=jOiBBQ6wFN6KIPuIY_yUoHAmSdV4mjeb_0wDoNuxeo8&s=kFa4BM-OZifleMwtT0vglbN0tutuduOr8mQThKBHS98&e= > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_i-2Dd-2Dannounce&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=jOiBBQ6wFN6KIPuIY_yUoHAmSdV4mjeb_0wDoNuxeo8&s=cTZuXU8SvGCzF1shxmA9RMoKHcJ_Jusk6Yx-1zElfmg&e= > Internet-Draft directories: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ietf.org_shadow.html&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=jOiBBQ6wFN6KIPuIY_yUoHAmSdV4mjeb_0wDoNuxeo8&s=d5gryj_HgHgQzuKVegbadboSnMI0vVe54WQjT2Ho3-8&e= > or https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=ftp-3A__ftp.ietf.org_ietf_1shadow-2Dsites.txt&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&m=jOiBBQ6wFN6KIPuIY_yUoHAmSdV4mjeb_0wDoNuxeo8&s=DLbhJ-JBwqKqqDxX5nopUH8y4mUICtCqQlzCb58Ym-o&e= From nobody Wed Feb 14 17:41:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76910126D3F; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:41:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151865889443.7393.11683474466441411609@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:41:34 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:41:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : (PBB-)EVPN Seamless Integration with (PBB-)VPLS Authors : Ali Sajassi Samer Salam Nick Del Regno Jorge Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2018-02-14 Abstract: This draft discusses the backward compatibility of the (PBB-)EVPN solution with (PBB-)VPLS and provides mechanisms for seamless integration of the two technologies in the same MPLS/IP network on a per-VPN-instance basis. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Fri, 16 Feb 2018 01:18:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151877268778.4973.6852895823284972655@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 01:18:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:18:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senad Palislamovic Wim Henderickx Ali Sajassi James Uttaro Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2018-02-16 Abstract: This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN (EVPN) in a simple and fairly common deployment scenario. The different EVPN procedures are explained on the example scenario, analyzing the benefits and trade-offs of each option. This document is intended to provide a simplified guide for the deployment of EVPN networks. 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So *please* pardon me. Shouldn't the port on the remote PE be turned down when its equivalents on local PEs do the same? This is something you can find on L2VPN VPWS signaled by LDP. When local AC goes down the event is signaled via LDP to the other end which in turn soft-shut the port. I wonder if the same behavior could be replicated by EVPN VPWS. In that case remote PE(s) would have to react to BGP prefix withdrawals. Thank you Regards On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) wrote: > > It has already been updated and the rev02 has been checked in. > > Regards, > Ali > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2/13/18, 6:43 AM, "Martin Vigoureux" wrote: > > ok, let us know when you've updated it, we'll call it for adoption fa= ter > that. > > -m > > Le 2018-02-13 =C3=A0 3:50, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) a =C3=A9crit : > > Hi Martin, Stephane: > > > > This is one of the draft in my plate that I needed to update and as= k for > > a WG call. It has already been implemented by number of vendors and= has > > had pretty good consensus. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ali > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --=20 Marco From nobody Fri Feb 16 05:09:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F6F120047; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:09:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151878658700.4869.13053386147837719392.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:09:47 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:09:47 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I would be really happy if the document could say lightly more about how flow labels are supposed to be assigned. Is the assumption that all packets of an TCP flow get the same flow label assigned? Just a comment, no action required: Given there are only 4 unsigned bits left and the registry policy is "IETF review", I actually don't think a registry is necessarily needed. The remaining bits could just be assigned by additional RFCs that update RFC4761. Some nits, minor comments: 1) sec 1: Please spell out "ASBR" 2) sec 3: "a PE sending a Control Flags field with T = 1 and receiving a Control Flags field with R = 1 MUST include a flow label in the Pseudowire packet." Must this be a MUST or could this be a SHOULD? 3) In sec 2 there is this text: "the remaining bits, designated Z, MUST be set to zero when sending and MUST be ignored when receiving this Extended Community." In the IANA Consideration section there is this text: "As per [RFC4761] and this document, the remaining bits are unassigned, and MUST be set to zero when sending and MUST be ignored when receiving the Layer2 Info Extended Community." I think the text in section 2 is actually incorrect because it should not talked about the bits that are marked Z but rather about bits that are not assigned in the newly created registry because otherwise you'd need to update this RFC (and RFC4761) every time you assign a new bit. Further I don't think this need to be mentioned in the IANA section and should only be correctly specified in section 2. Except you would like IANA to note this on the registration page but then you should say that... 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Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:54:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151883246824.3701.11216522031416616324@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:54:28 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 01:54:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Updated processing of control flags for BGP VPLS Authors : Ravi Singh Kireeti Kompella Senad Palislamovic Filename : draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-04.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2018-02-16 Abstract: This document updates the meaning of the "control flags" fields inside the "layer2 info extended community" used for BGP-VPLS NLRI. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Feb 18 13:01:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E07126BF6; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151898770672.27731.9876483014858284084@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 13:01:46 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-l2vpn-yang-08.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:01:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for MPLS-based L2VPN Authors : Himanshu Shah Patrice Brissette Ing-When Chen Iftekar Hussain Bin Wen Kishore Tiruveedhula Filename : draft-ietf-bess-l2vpn-yang-08.txt Pages : 47 Date : 2018-02-18 Abstract: This document describes a YANG data model for Layer 2 VPN (L2VPN) services over MPLS networks. These services include point-to-point Virtual Private Wire Service (VPWS) and multipoint Virtual Private LAN service (VPLS) that uses LDP and BGP signaled Pseudowires. It is expected that this model will be used by the management tools run by the network operators in order to manage and monitor the network resources that they use to deliver L2VPN services. This document also describes the YANG data model for the Pseudowires. The independent definition of the Pseudowires facilitates its use in Ethernet Segment and EVPN data models defined in separate document. 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Hello working group,

 

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on=

draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy-01 [1] as a BESS Wo= rking Group Document.

 

Please state on the list if you support the adopt= ion or not (in both cases, please also state the reasons).

 

This poll runs until *the 5th of March*.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo= sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose= d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for= more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o= f this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not yo= u are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress wi= thout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this = Document.

 

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

Thank you

 

(Martin), Matthew, St=E9phane

bess chairs

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-skr-be= ss-evpn-pim-proxy/

 

 

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--_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921EB410E2OPEXCLILMA4corp_-- From nobody Mon Feb 19 02:40:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72FC12785F; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 02:40:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151903684894.18743.13550951744427826126.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 02:40:48 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] The BESS WG has placed draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:40:49 -0000 The BESS WG has placed draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Stephane Litkowski) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy/ From nobody Mon Feb 19 03:36:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE4D126DEE; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 03:36:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151904016343.18707.13914282816207786016.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 03:36:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:36:03 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This document reads like an informational document to me. From nobody Mon Feb 19 05:45:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7433B1242F7; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:45:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151904794146.18699.5332623354542357293.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:45:41 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-bess-evpn-usage-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:45:41 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Possible nit: sec 9.1.3: "It is worth noting that unless: a) control or management plane learning is performed through the entire EVI or b) all the EVI- attached devices signal their presence when they come up (GARPs or similar), unknown unicast flooding must be enabled." Is this "must be enabled" or "must not be enabled"? 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(87.123.206.49) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 19 Feb 2018 20:49:25 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <136089E3-27FA-4570-8151-3730BF2035B9@nokia.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:49:23 +0100 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage@ietf.org" , "Vigoureux, Martin (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" , "aretana.ietf@gmail.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8340F031-0409-4B57-9316-A025AB7D9EB5@kuehlewind.net> References: <151904794146.18699.5332623354542357293.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <136089E3-27FA-4570-8151-3730BF2035B9@nokia.com> To: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-PPP-Message-ID: <20180219194925.29176.22596@lvps83-169-45-111.dedicated.hosteurope.de> X-PPP-Vhost: kuehlewind.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-?= =?utf-8?q?ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:56:11 -0000 Ah, thanks. That=E2=80=99s much more clear to me! > Am 19.02.2018 um 20:47 schrieb Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain = View) : >=20 > Hi Mirja, >=20 > It should be "must be enable". However you are right that the sentence = may be worded a bit better. > We can change it as follows: >=20 > It is worth noting that unknown unicast flooding must not be > suppressed, unless (at least) one of the following two statements = are > given: a) control or management plane learning is performed > throughout the entire EVI for all the MACs or b) all the = EVI-attached > devices signal their presence when they come up (GARPs or similar). >=20 > Thanks. > Jorge >=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message----- > From: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind > Date: Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:45 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage@ietf.org" = , "aretana.ietf@gmail.com" = , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , = "Vigoureux, Martin (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" = , "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08: (with COMMENT) > Resent-From: > Resent-To: , , = , , > Resent-Date: Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:45 PM >=20 > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Possible nit: > sec 9.1.3: "It is worth noting that unless: a) control or = management plane > learning is performed through the entire EVI or b) all the EVI- > attached devices signal their presence when they come up (GARPs = or > similar), unknown unicast flooding must be enabled." > Is this "must be enabled" or "must not be enabled"? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Feb 19 16:25:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E1D127873; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:25:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Victor Kuarsingh To: Cc: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay.all@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, bclaise@cisco.com, warren@kumari.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151908630215.29766.6015578197588242079@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:25:02 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-08 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 00:25:02 -0000 Reviewer: Victor Kuarsingh Review result: Ready Dear Authors, I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. Document Reviewed - Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks Link to Document - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-08 Summary: This document specifies an interconnectivity model for between edge NVOs over a WAN. The document outlines two basic models based on Gateway mediated connectivity described as the “Decoupled Interconnect Model†and the “Integrated Interconnect Modelâ€. The document describes the functional companies of utilizing these two models and discusses extensions to EVPN including the “Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES)â€, the use of an “Unknown MAC route†and processing of routers over the interconnecting Gateways. ‘ This document extends functionality defined in “draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay†which is already submitted for publication as of January 2018. General Comments and Feedback: The document as reviewed is well written had has undergone considerable review. Initial review was of -07 version, but review we re-done following -08 release. I had a few feedback items, however following the RTG-DIR review (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-dir/a5KxnhKgz0TLwZRy6EsibQsRSqs) published on Feb 14h, 2018, my more minor feedback points were already captured by Alexander Vainshtein’s review. The only remaining (minor) item was the use cases by which the document applies with respect to reasoning to the use of models based on GWs vs. ASBRs was captured towards the end of the document (in Security Section). This point was already made by Sasha in his review. Operational considerations, of which my review was concentrated on, were well captured through the text. I was particularity happy with in-line explanation of advantages and/or disadvantages to certain options/functions throughout the document (ex. Section 3.2 - VLAN Based hand-off). Pointers to where key polices and functions can be implemented were captured to my satisfaction (when considering operational review). 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[108.78.210.25]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w195sm21717149ita.35.2018.02.19.19.06.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:06:36 -0800 (PST) From: <7riw77@gmail.com> To: Cc: , , Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:06:36 -0500 Message-ID: <031101d3a9f7$d2a82ed0$77f88c70$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdOp9ypTCnl6N81yReWglw97UYyA8Q== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: [bess] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 03:06:40 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see = =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08.txt Reviewer: Russ White=20 Review Date: 19 February 2018 IETF LC End Date: 22 February 2018=20 Intended Status: Informational Summary:=20 No issues found. This document is ready for publication. Comments: I (generally) find the eVPN drafts difficult to read, but this is mostly = a style issue, rather than an issue with technical content or any = specific grammar issue. Overall, however, this document is very useful = in describing a use case for eVPN, including the control plane setup = necessary, and packet forwarding. The draft appears to be technically = correct in the process it describes.=20 Major Issues: No major issues found. 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A new one will be issued when the document will be updated. Brgds, From: stephane.litkowski@orange.com [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:39 To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Call for adoption: draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy Hello working group, This email starts a two-week call for adoption on draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy-01 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,= please also state the reasons). This poll runs until *the 5th of March*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. 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Hi WG,

 

Based on discussions w= ith the authors, we cancel this adoption poll.

A new one will be issu= ed when the document will be updated.

 

Brgds,

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:39
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Subject: Call for adoption: draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy=

 

Hello working group,

 

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on=

draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy-01 [1] as a BESS Wo= rking Group Document.

 

Please state on the list if you support the adopt= ion or not (in both cases, please also state the reasons).

 

This poll runs until *the 5th of March*.

 

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If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

Thank you

 

(Martin), Matthew, St=E9phane

bess chairs

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-skr-bess-evpn-pim-proxy/

 

 

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The draft now says that it updates RFCs 6514 and 7524 as well as RFC 6625.  I think this is now necessary because the draft modifies the ingress node processing of received Leaf A-D routes that carry a PTA with the LIR-pF flag set.  I'm not sure what the objective criteria are supposed to be for "updates",  but it makes sense that anyone trying to implement RFC 6514 or 7524 read this document as well. 2. There are a number of textual changes and clarifications in response to comments by Stephane Litkowski. 3. The boilerplate is updated to be in accord with RFC 8174. 4. There is now a warning that the LIR-pF flag should not be set unless it is known a priori that all nodes support it. 5. It is now REQUIRED that the LIR flag be set whenever the LIR-pF flag is set in the PTA carried by an S-PMSI A-D route. 6. The peculiar idea of modifying the RD of a Leaf A-D route originated in response to the LIR-pF flag has been eliminated. (Mea culpa.) 7. A Leaf A-D route originated in response to the LIR-pF flag is now REQUIRED to carry a PTA with the LIR-pF flag set. 8. Text has been added specifying when such a PTA should specify "no tunnel info" and when it should specify a tunnel type. 9. Text has been added to deal with the case where a wildcard S-PMSI A-D route has (a) LIR-pF set in its PTA, and (b) also specifies a tunnel type of Ingress Replication. The new text allows a Leaf A-D route sent in response to the LIR-pF bit to carry a PTA specifying an MPLS label. 10. Text has been added to say that the specifications for how to use new "tunnel types" with MVPN must specify procedures for originating Leaf A-D routes in response to S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify the given tunnel type and have the LIR-pF flag set.  An informational reference to the bier-mvpn draft has been added as an example. 11. A section has been added discussing how an ingress node responds to a Leaf A-D route that carries a PTA with the LIR-pF bit set. I hope those who are interested will review the diffs and send feedback to the list. From nobody Tue Feb 20 13:46:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412E512DFE0; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:46:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mahesh Jethanandani To: Cc: draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151916318522.3854.1025763240508231373@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:46:25 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:46:25 -0000 Reviewer: Mahesh Jethanandani Review result: Has Issues {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\cocoartf1561\cocoasubrtf200 {\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Helvetica;\f1\fmodern\fcharset0 Courier;} {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;\red0\green0\blue0;} {\*\expandedcolortbl;;\cssrgb\c0\c0\c0;} \margl1440\margr1440\vieww10800\viewh8400\viewkind0 \deftab720 \pard\pardeftab720\partightenfactor0 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \expnd0\expndtw0\kerning0 I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate\'92s\'a0ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. \'a0These\'a0comments were written with the intent of improving the operational\'a0aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be\ included in AD reviews during the IESG review. \'a0Document editors and\'a0WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call\'a0comments.\ \ Document reviewed: \'a0draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03\ \ Summary: \ \ \pard\pardeftab720\sl300\partightenfactor0 \cf2 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 This draft defines protocol extensions required to synchronize flow label states among PEs when using the BGP-based signaling procedures. \f1\fs26\fsmilli13333 \ \pard\pardeftab720\partightenfactor0 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \ Document Status:\ \ Has Issues\ \ Comments:\ \ The following comments look at the document both from an operational perspective as well as a management perspective. \ \ Operational Considerations:\ \ Operational considerations include installation and initial setup, migration path, requirements on other protocols, impact on network operations and verification of correct operation.\ \ The draft defines an OPTIONAL mode of operation. An OPTIONAL definition, per RFC 2119 is:\ \ \pard\pardeftab720\sl280\partightenfactor0 \f1 \cf2 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 An implementation which does not include a particular option MUST be\ prepared to interoperate with another implementation which does\ include the option, though perhaps with reduced functionality. In the\ same vein an implementation which does include a particular option\ MUST be prepared to interoperate with another implementation which\ does not include the option\ \pard\pardeftab720\partightenfactor0 \f0 \cf0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \ The draft needs to describe what the reduced functionality is acceptable, what the box that supports the implementation of the optional feature do when the other implementation does not, and what is the behavior of the device which does not support the feature do, when it has to interoperate with a device which does support it. Note, this is more about what the device is supposed to do, after the said device may have signaled to the other end about the expected behavior. E.g. If the devices have exchanged T=1 and R=1, but the other end does not send a flow-label, what is the receiver supposed to do? See more below under management considerations.\ \ The document defines the default mode of operation, i.e. a single path to preserve the packet delivery order, is important from an initial installation and setup point of view. The draft also makes a note that the default value of T and R is set to zero for implementations that do not support this feature, which is helpful for installations that do not have this feature.\ \ Management Considerations:\ \ Management considerations include interoperability, fault management, configuration management, accounting, performance and security.\ \ The interoperability will be a little more clear once the draft documents the optional behavior for the fault condition raised above. Related to that, if a fault is detected, say by the receiver, how is that indicated to any management station?\ \ I assume that the configuration of this feature will be taken by the BGP or a related YANG model.\ \ For accounting purposes, the documents needs to describe how an operator would know where all in the network, the feature is in use, and how well the feature is helping in load-balancing the traffic. Is this also going to be captured in the YANG model?\ \ A run of idnits reveals two warnings, the second of which can be ignored:\ \ \pard\pardeftab720\sl280\partightenfactor0 \f1 \cf2 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but may\ have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008. If you\ have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing to grant\ the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you can ignore\ this comment. If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. \ (See the Legal Provisions document at\ https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.)\ \ IETF Trust Legal Provisions of 28-dec-2009, Section 6.c(iii):\ This document may contain material from IETF Documents or IETF\ Contributions published or made publicly available before\ November 10, 2008. The person(s) controlling the copyright in\ some of this material may not have granted the IETF Trust the\ right to allow modifications of such material outside the IETF\ Standards Process. Without obtaining an adequate license from the\ person(s) controlling the copyright in such materials, this\ document may not be modified outside the IETF Standards Process,\ and derivative works of it may not be created outside the IETF\ Standards Process, except to format it for publication as an RFC\ or to translate it into languages other than English.\ \ -- The document date (August 23, 2017) is 181 days in the past. 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([2601:647:4700:1280:910:e8c:e445:7328]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z79sm17589977pfa.139.2018.02.20.13.57.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:57:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <151916318522.3854.1025763240508231373@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:02:34 -0800 Cc: draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <151916318522.3854.1025763240508231373@ietfa.amsl.com> To: ops-dir@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] [OPS-DIR] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:57:05 -0000 Sorry for the formatting issue. Let me fix and resend the review. > On Feb 20, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Mahesh Jethanandani > Review result: Has Issues >=20 > {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\cocoartf1561\cocoasubrtf200 > {\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Helvetica;\f1\fmodern\fcharset0 = Courier;} > {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;\red0\green0\blue0;} > {\*\expandedcolortbl;;\cssrgb\c0\c0\c0;} > \margl1440\margr1440\vieww10800\viewh8400\viewkind0 > \deftab720 > \pard\pardeftab720\partightenfactor0 >=20 > \f0\fs24 \cf0 \expnd0\expndtw0\kerning0 > I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational > directorate\'92s\'a0ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being = processed > by the IESG. \'a0These\'a0comments were written with the intent of = improving > the operational\'a0aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not = addressed > in last call may be\ included in AD reviews during the IESG review. > \'a0Document editors and\'a0WG chairs should treat these comments just = like any > other last call\'a0comments.\ \ Document reviewed: > \'a0draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03\ \ Summary: \ \ > \pard\pardeftab720\sl300\partightenfactor0 \cf2 \outl0\strokewidth0 = \strokec2 > This draft defines protocol extensions required to synchronize flow = label > states among PEs when using the BGP-based signaling procedures. > \f1\fs26\fsmilli13333 \ \pard\pardeftab720\partightenfactor0 >=20 > \f0\fs24 \cf0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \ > Document Status:\ > \ > Has Issues\ > \ > Comments:\ > \ > The following comments look at the document both from an operational > perspective as well as a management perspective. \ \ Operational > Considerations:\ \ Operational considerations include installation and = initial > setup, migration path, requirements on other protocols, impact on = network > operations and verification of correct operation.\ \ The draft defines = an > OPTIONAL mode of operation. An OPTIONAL definition, per RFC 2119 is:\ = \ > \pard\pardeftab720\sl280\partightenfactor0 >=20 > \f1 \cf2 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 An implementation which does = not > include a particular option MUST be\ > prepared to interoperate with another implementation which does\ > include the option, though perhaps with reduced functionality. In = the\ > same vein an implementation which does include a particular option\ > MUST be prepared to interoperate with another implementation which\ > does not include the option\ > \pard\pardeftab720\partightenfactor0 >=20 > \f0 \cf0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \ > The draft needs to describe what the reduced functionality is = acceptable, what > the box that supports the implementation of the optional feature do = when the > other implementation does not, and what is the behavior of the device = which > does not support the feature do, when it has to interoperate with a = device > which does support it. Note, this is more about what the device is = supposed to > do, after the said device may have signaled to the other end about the = expected > behavior. E.g. If the devices have exchanged T=3D1 and R=3D1, but the = other end > does not send a flow-label, what is the receiver supposed to do? See = more below > under management considerations.\ \ The document defines the default = mode of > operation, i.e. a single path to preserve the packet delivery order, = is > important from an initial installation and setup point of view. The = draft also > makes a note that the default value of T and R is set to zero for > implementations that do not support this feature, which is helpful for > installations that do not have this feature.\ \ Management = Considerations:\ \ > Management considerations include interoperability, fault management, > configuration management, accounting, performance and security.\ \ The > interoperability will be a little more clear once the draft documents = the > optional behavior for the fault condition raised above. Related to = that, if a > fault is detected, say by the receiver, how is that indicated to any = management > station?\ \ I assume that the configuration of this feature will be = taken by > the BGP or a related YANG model.\ \ For accounting purposes, the = documents > needs to describe how an operator would know where all in the network, = the > feature is in use, and how well the feature is helping in = load-balancing the > traffic. Is this also going to be captured in the YANG model?\ \ A run = of > idnits reveals two warnings, the second of which can be ignored:\ \ > \pard\pardeftab720\sl280\partightenfactor0 >=20 > \f1 \cf2 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 -- The document seems to lack = a > disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but may\ > have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008. = If you\ > have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing = to grant\ > the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you can = ignore\ > this comment. If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 = disclaimer. \ > (See the Legal Provisions document at\ > https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.)\ > \ > IETF Trust Legal Provisions of 28-dec-2009, Section 6.c(iii):\ > This document may contain material from IETF Documents or IETF\ > Contributions published or made publicly available before\ > November 10, 2008. The person(s) controlling the copyright in\ > some of this material may not have granted the IETF Trust the\ > right to allow modifications of such material outside the IETF\ > Standards Process. Without obtaining an adequate license from = the\ > person(s) controlling the copyright in such materials, this\ > document may not be modified outside the IETF Standards = Process,\ > and derivative works of it may not be created outside the IETF\ > Standards Process, except to format it for publication as an = RFC\ > or to translate it into languages other than English.\ > \ > -- The document date (August 23, 2017) is 181 days in the past. Is = this\ > intentional?\ > } >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPS-DIR mailing list > OPS-DIR@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Tue Feb 20 14:38:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64002126C19; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:38:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151916629836.9619.1211152290579744103@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:38:18 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-09.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:38:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Interconnect Solution for EVPN Overlay networks Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senthil Sathappan Wim Henderickx Ali Sajassi John Drake Filename : draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-09.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2018-02-20 Abstract: This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants. The solution analyzes the interaction between NVO networks running Ethernet Virtual Private Networks (EVPN) and other L2VPN technologies used in the WAN, such as Virtual Private LAN Services (VPLS), VPLS extensions for Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB-VPLS), EVPN or PBB-EVPN. It also describes how the existing technical specifications apply to the Interconnection and extends the EVPN procedures needed in some cases. In particular, this document describes how EVPN routes are processed on Gateways (GWs) that interconnect EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, as well as the Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES) to provide multi-homing, and the use of the Unknown MAC route to avoid MAC scale issues on Data Center Network Virtualization Edge (NVE) devices. The document updates [RFC7432]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151918392723.9861.16567561791662182684@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:32:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 03:32:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Yang Data Model for EVPN Authors : Patrice Brissette Himanshu Shah Kishore Tiruveedhula Jorge Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-04.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2018-02-20 Abstract: This document describes a YANG data model for Ethernet VPN services. The model is agnostic of the underlay. It apply to MPLS as well as to VxLAN encapsulation. The model is also agnostic of the services including E-LAN, E-LINE and E-TREE services. This document mainly focuses on EVPN and Ethernet-Segment instance framework. 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"draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay.all@ietf.org" , "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c000cfec79e990565b89097" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] RTG-DIR Telechat review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 13:04:23 -0000 --94eb2c000cfec79e990565b89097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I see that the change below has already been made in -09. However, I don= =E2=80=99t think that an Update applies in this case. In general, when Updating another document we=E2=80=99re basically saying: = =E2=80=9Cchange what was specified there for what is specified in here=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6whi= ch, in this case, translates to rfc7432 implementations having to also be compliant with this document (for all cases). As far as I can tell, the extensions defined in this document are specific to the DCI case and not general to any EVPN scenario. If that is correct then we shouldn=E2=80=99t be formall= y Updating rfc7432. Having said that, Sasha is correct in pointing out that there are several differences with respect to rfc7432. That is properly captured in the text at the end of Section 2 (for the DCI scenario), without the need for the formal Update. Thanks! Alvaro. On February 20, 2018 at 5:40:59 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) (jorge.rabadan@nokia.com) wrote: 1. From my POV this draft should be marked as updating RFC 7432 in its metadata. The update should refer to several aspects including at least the following: a. Use of Ethernet PWs (see Figure 1 in the draft) as an Ethernet Segment. RFC 7432 defines Ethernet Segment as a set of Ethernet links that connect a customer sit to one or more PEs. b. Use of the Unknown MAC Route (UMR). RFC 7432 only says that a PE may flood unicast frames with unknown destination MAC to all other PEs but does not have to do that, with the decision being a matter of local policy; it neither defines any mechanisms that advertise a specific PE and a specific Ethernet Segment attached to this PE as the =E2=80=9Cdefault nex= t Hop=E2=80=9D for all unknown destination MAC addresses, nor prevents usage of such mechanisms. [JORGE] I marked it as updating RFC7432 and explained why in section 2. --94eb2c000cfec79e990565b89097 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hi!

I see that the change = below has already been made in -09.=C2=A0 However, I don=E2=80=99t think th= at an Update applies in this case.

=
In general, when Updating another document we=E2=80= =99re basically saying: =E2=80=9Cchange what was specified there for what i= s specified in here=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6which, in this case, translates to rfc= 7432 implementations having to also be compliant with this document (for al= l cases).=C2=A0 As far as I can tell, the extensions defined in this docume= nt are specific to the DCI case and not general to any EVPN scenario.=C2=A0= If that is correct then we shouldn=E2=80=99t be formally Updating rfc7432.=

Having said= that, Sasha is correct in pointing out that there are several differences = with respect to rfc7432.=C2=A0 That is properly captured in the text at the= end of Section 2 (for the DCI scenario), without the need for the formal U= pdate.

Thank= s!

Alvaro.

On February 20,= 2018 at 5:40:59 PM, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) (jorge.rabadan@nokia.com) wrote:<= /p>


1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0From my POV this dr= aft should be marked as updating RFC 7432 in its metadata. The update shoul= d refer to several aspects including at least the following:

a.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Use of Ethernet PWs (see Figure 1 in the draft) as an Ethernet Segment= . RFC 7432 defines Ethernet Segment as a set of Ethernet links that connect= a customer sit to one or more PEs.

b.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Use of the Unknown MA= C Route (UMR). RFC 7432 only says that a PE may flood unicast frames with u= nknown destination MAC to all other PEs but does not have to do that, with = the decision being a matter of local policy;=C2=A0 it neither defines any m= echanisms that advertise a specific PE and a specific Ethernet Segment atta= ched to this PE as the =E2=80=9Cdefault next Hop=E2=80=9D for all unknown d= estination MAC addresses, nor prevents usage of such mechanisms.

=

[JORGE] I= marked it as updating RFC7432 and explained why in section 2.

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6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151923115949.9657.5127461941854253151@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:39:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-05.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:39:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Yang Data Model for EVPN Authors : Patrice Brissette Himanshu Shah Iftekar Hussain Kishore Tiruveedhula Jorge Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-05.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2018-02-21 Abstract: This document describes a YANG data model for Ethernet VPN services. The model is agnostic of the underlay. It apply to MPLS as well as to VxLAN encapsulation. The model is also agnostic of the services including E-LAN, E-LINE and E-TREE services. This document mainly focuses on EVPN and Ethernet-Segment instance framework. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Feb 21 14:39:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916321205D3; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 14:39:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151925279058.21121.17600189959739696478.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 14:39:50 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:39:51 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the work on this document. I have two very small editorial nits: > Abstract > > This draft defines protocol extensions required to synchronize flow > label states among PEs when using the BGP-based signaling procedures. Please expand "PE". §3: > A PE MAY support the configuration of the flow label (T and R bits) > on a per-service (e.g. VPLS VFI) basis. Please add a comma after "e.g." From nobody Wed Feb 21 15:54:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358961200E5; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:54:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151925728421.21105.1333012065025571229.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:54:44 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-09: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:54:44 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Mirja's comment, and am curious about what aspects of this document are believed to make it standards-track. ID Nits reports: ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC7432]), which it shouldn't. Please replace those with straight textual mentions of the documents in question. From nobody Wed Feb 21 19:22:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2776126D85; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:22:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151926972192.21080.6988884592639593968.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:22:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 03:22:02 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- §10: It would help if the security considerations talked about how the security considerations from 7432 apply to the scenarios in this document, rather than just reference them. From nobody Wed Feb 21 20:22:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B93124B0A; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:22:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151927336785.21173.13845002963998631532.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:22:47 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 04:22:48 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there a race condition here when an endpoint changes its R bit? Like it will temporarily get packets in the wrong state, right? Problem? I agree with Ben about the security considerations section. One or two more sentence should suffice. 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All,

 

it is time we start building the BESS WG agenda f= or London.

The IETF agenda (still preliminary) is available = at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/agenda.html

 

The BESS WG session (2h30) is scheduled on Tuesda= y, March 20th, 2018 / Afternoon session II / 15:50-18:20 (local time)<= /o:p>

 

Please send us your request for a presentation sl= ot, indicating draft name, speaker, and desired duration (covering presenta= tion and discussion).

 

Thank you

 

Stephane & Matthew

 

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with HTTPREST; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:58:56 -0500 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: <381B2074-0F2C-4FED-8F1B-245B7196A80A@nokia.com> X-Mailer: Airmail (467) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" , Alexander Vainshtein Cc: "rtg-ads@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay.all@ietf.org" , "rtg-dir@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c095d303c4dbf0565d0cc41" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] RTG-DIR Telechat review of draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:59:01 -0000 --94eb2c095d303c4dbf0565d0cc41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Sasha: You make a good point: if here are things that this document Updates rfc7432 on, which are not specific just to the DCI, then we should go ahead with it. The current related text reads: In particular, the document updates [RFC7432] on several aspects: o The Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES), an Ethernet Segment that can be associated not only to a set of Ethernet links, as in [RFC7432], but also to a set of PWs or other tunnels. o The use of the Unknown MAC route in a DCI scenario. o The processing of EVPN routes on Gateways with MAC-VRFs connecting EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-MPLS networks, or EVPN-Overlay and EVPN- Overlay networks. Jorge: Are there extensions defined in this document that are not specific to the DCI case and that should apply to any EVPN scenario? If so, can we update the text to only reflect items that are *not* just DCI-specific? That is the only outstanding item as the document was otherwise approved by the IESG today. Thanks! Alvaro. On February 21, 2018 at 8:17:10 AM, Alexander Vainshtein ( alexander.vainshtein@ecitele.com) wrote: PWs as an a =E2=80=9Cvirtual ES=E2=80=9D are also used in conjunction with = EVPN in the scenarios that are not directly related to DCI. One example (actually pointed to me by Jorge during the review process) is the EVPN Virtual Ethernet Segment draft (now expired). It is, of course, up to you to decide whether this justifies marking the draft I=E2=80=99ve reviewed as Updating RFC 7432 because it also defined PW= s as a (virtual) ES for EVPN. Alternatively, it is possible to wait until the EVPN Virtual segment draft is resuscitated and progressed =E2=80=93 but this can= take quite some time... --94eb2c095d303c4dbf0565d0cc41 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
H= i!

Sasha: Yo= u make a good point: if here are things that this document Updates rfc7432 = on, which are not specific just to the DCI, then we should go ahead with it= .

The curren= t related text reads:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0In particular, the = document updates [RFC7432] on several aspects:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o The Interconnect Ethernet Segment (I-ES), an Ethernet Segme= nt that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can be associated not only to a set= of Ethernet links, as in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC7432], but al= so to a set of PWs or other tunnels.

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0o The use of the Unknown MAC route in a DCI scenario.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0o The processing of EVPN routes on Gateways wit= h MAC-VRFs connecting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EVPN-Overlay and EVPN= -MPLS networks, or EVPN-Overlay and EVPN-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0O= verlay networks.

Jorge: =C2=A0Are there extens= ions defined in this document that are not specific to the DCI case and tha= t should apply to any EVPN scenario?=C2=A0 If so, can we update the text to= only reflect items that are *not* just DCI-specific?

That is the only outstanding item as the document was otherwise a= pproved by the IESG today.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On February 21, 20= 18 at 8:17:10 AM, Alexander Vainshtein (alexander.vainshtein@ecitele.com) wrote:

PWs as an a =E2=80=9Cvirtual ES=E2=80=9D are also= used in conjunction with EVPN in the scenarios that are not directly relat= ed to DCI. One example (actually pointed to me by Jorge during the review p= rocess) is the=C2=A0EVPN Virtual Ethernet Se= gment=C2=A0draft (now expi= red).

=C2=A0

It is, of course, up to you to decide whether this justifies marking the = draft I=E2=80=99ve reviewed as Updating RFC 7432 because it also defined PW= s as a (virtual) ES for EVPN. Alternatively, it is possible to wait until t= he EVPN Virtual segment draft is resuscitated and progressed =E2=80=93 but = this can take quite some time...

=C2=A0
--94eb2c095d303c4dbf0565d0cc41-- From nobody Thu Feb 22 19:08:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD05512E036; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:08:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sheng Jiang To: Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151935529578.22660.17993548698049897977@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:08:15 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-08 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:08:16 -0000 Reviewer: Sheng Jiang Review result: Ready I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This Informational document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN (EVPN) in a common deployment scenario. This document is well written. It is ready with minor issues. Major issue: no. Minor issue: no. Personal comments: although this document claims it focuses on a "simple" and fairly common deployment scenario, it is still complicated giving many aspects of EVPN. It is hard to read giving the many technical details. I am thinking it may helpful for readers if there was a minimum scenario to be described. Overall, the document is well written and useful already. So please feel safe to ignore my personal suggestion. Regards, Sheng From nobody Fri Feb 23 06:28:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CFC120047; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151939610767.24127.5392600379240994666@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:28:27 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-03.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:28:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Optimized Ingress Replication solution for EVPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senthil Sathappan Wim Henderickx Ali Sajassi Aldrin Isaac Mukul Katiyar Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-03.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2018-02-23 Abstract: Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) networks using EVPN as control plane may use ingress replication (IR) or PIM-based trees to convey the overlay BUM traffic. PIM provides an efficient solution to avoid sending multiple copies of the same packet over the same physical link, however it may not always be deployed in the NVO core network. IR avoids the dependency on PIM in the NVO network core. While IR provides a simple multicast transport, some NVO networks with demanding multicast applications require a more efficient solution without PIM in the core. This document describes a solution to optimize the efficiency of IR in NVO networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Feb 24 01:25:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F54A120725; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:24:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151946429840.13721.11363301470099157843@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:24:58 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-09.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:24:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senad Palislamovic Wim Henderickx Ali Sajassi James Uttaro Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-09.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2018-02-24 Abstract: This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN (EVPN) in a simple and fairly common deployment scenario. The different EVPN procedures are explained on the example scenario, analyzing the benefits and trade-offs of each option. This document is intended to provide a simplified guide for the deployment of EVPN networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Hello working group,

 

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on=

draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-01 = [1] as a BESS Working Group Document.

 

Please state on the list if you support the adopt= ion or not (in both cases, please also state the reasons).

 

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Thank you -m Le 2018-02-26 à 4:57, Mach Chen a écrit : > Dear BESS, > > This email starts an IPR call on draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-13, in preparation to document advancement. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-13? > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the BESS WG mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the BESS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Best regards, > Mach Chen (Shepherd of this document) > From nobody Mon Feb 26 04:02:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0C31242F7 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support as co-author. I am not aware of related IPRs. This is a simple solution to a practical problem for some MVPN/MSDP deploym= ent scenarios. Thanks. Jeffrey From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 3:01 AM To: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoper= ation-01 Hello working group, This email starts a two-week call for adoption on draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-01 [1] as a BESS Working Grou= p Document. Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,= please also state the reasons). This poll runs until *the 19th of March*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). 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Support as co-author. I am not aware of related IPRs.

 

This is a simple solution to a practical problem for some MVPN/= MSDP deployment scenarios.

 

Thanks.

Jeffrey

 

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 3:01 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-in= teroperation-01

 

Hello working group,

 

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on=

draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-01 = [1] as a BESS Working Group Document.

 

Please state on the list if you support the adopt= ion or not (in both cases, please also state the reasons).

 

This poll runs until *the 19th of March*.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo= sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose= d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for= more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o= f this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not yo= u are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress wi= thout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this = Document.

 

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

Thank you

 

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bess chairs

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperat= ion/

 

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--_000_CY1PR0501MB1340F339E3A9270443FC8CFED4C10CY1PR0501MB1340_-- From nobody Mon Feb 26 07:58:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741D112AF84; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 07:58:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.72.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , bess-chairs@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bess@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151966072446.31398.5395467258262674329.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 07:58:44 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Document Action: 'Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-09.txt) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:58:45 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN' (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-09.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the BGP Enabled ServiceS Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/ Technical Summary This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP MPLS based Ethernet VPN (EVPN) in a simple and fairly common deployment scenario. The different EVPN procedures are explained on the example scenario, analyzing the benefits and trade-offs of each option. This document is intended to provide a simplified guide for the deployment of EVPN networks. Working Group Summary Not much to report, except that there is support from the WG. Document Quality There are multiple implementations of the EVPN technology. This Document describes in a clear manner the use of the EVPN technology building blocks and components. Personnel Martin Vigoureux is the Document Shepherd Alvaro Retana is the Responsible Area Director From nobody Mon Feb 26 08:32:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4AF120227 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:32:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=juniper.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JKQXITs1JsoA for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com (mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com [208.84.65.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F28212D879 for ; 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I am not aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: | | Hello working group, | |   | | This email starts a two-week call for adoption on | | draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-01 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document. | |   | | Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases, please also state the reasons). | |   | | This poll runs until *the 19th of March*. | |   | | We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). | | If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. 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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Explicit Tracking with Wild Card Routes in Multicast VPN Authors : Andrew Dolganow Jayant Kotalwar Eric C. Rosen Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-08.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2018-02-26 Abstract: The MVPN specifications provide procedures to allow a multicast ingress node to invoke "explicit tracking" for a multicast flow or set of flows, thus learning the egress nodes for that flow or set of flows. However, the specifications are not completely clear about how the explicit tracking procedures work in certain scenarios. This document provides the necessary clarifications. It also specifies a new, optimized explicit tracking procedure. This new procedure allows an ingress node, by sending a single message, to request explicit tracking of each of a set of flows, where the set of flows is specified using a wildcard mechanism. This document updates RFCs 6514, 6625, and 7524. 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And thank you for your continued attention to the details.  I have posted -08.  Responses in-line. > > Couple of more comments: > > > > Section 2: > > I still have some concern about these two sentences: > > 1)"This flag SHOULD NOT be set > > unless it is known that all the PEs that are to receive the route > > carrying the PTA support the flag." > > 2)"By setting LIR as well as > > LIR-pF, one forces a response to be sent by an egress node that does > > not support LIR-pF." > > > > [SLI] As per 1), the situation described in 2) should not happen > > Do we agree that this should not happen ? > > I think we can make the text more clear about the implications of setting the LIR-pf in a partial deployment scenario. > > We can add a text like after 1): > > "Setting the LIR-pF in a network where only a subset of PEs supports it prevents the ingress PE to have a complete view of the receiving PEs." > > > > We may also modify 2) as follows: > > OLD > > By setting LIR as well as > > LIR-pF, one forces a response to be sent by an egress node that does > > not support LIR-pF. It is possible to tell from that response that > > the egress node does not support LIR-pF. This may be an aid to > > troubleshooting. > > NEW > > By setting LIR as well as > > LIR-pF, one forces a response to be sent by an egress node that does > > not support LIR-pF. It is possible to tell from that response that > > the egress node does not support LIR-pF. As the support of LIR-pF is recommended on all PEs, this situation should not happen. > > However, in case of deployment error, this may be an aid to troubleshooting. [Eric] In revision -08, I have reworked this text to indicate what will happen in the case of deployment errors, and how such errors can be detected.  However, I wouldn't necessarily guarantee that there are no corner cases in which a deployment error might go undetected. > > > > > > > > Section 5.2: > > "The encoding of these Leaf A-D routes is similar to the encoding of > > the Leaf A-D routes described in section 6.2.2 of [RFC7524], which > > were designed for the support of "global table multicast". However, > > that document sets the RD to either 0 or -1; following the procedures > > of this document, the RD will never be 0 or -1. Therefore Leaf A-D > > routes constructed according to the procedures of this section can > > always be distinguished from the Leaf A-D routes constructed > > according to the procedures of section 6.2.2 of [RFC7524]. Also, > > Leaf A-D routes constructed according to the procedures of this > > section are VPN-specific routes, and will always carry an IP-address- > > specific Route Target, as specified in [RFC6514]." > > > > [SLI] I'm wondering if this text is still required as we do not modify the RD compared to RFC6514. > [Eric] There are two situations in which an ingress node might receive a Leaf A-D route whose route key field is not identical to the NLRI of a current x-PMSI A-D route originated by the ingress node.  One situation is specified in RFC 7524.  The other is specified in the explicit tracking draft.  I think it is useful to point out that the ingress node can distinguish between these two cases when it receives such a Leaf A-D route. 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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : IP Prefix Advertisement in EVPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Wim Henderickx John E. Drake Wen Lin Ali Sajassi Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-10.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2018-02-27 Abstract: EVPN provides a flexible control plane that allows intra-subnet connectivity in an MPLS and/or NVO-based network. In some networks, there is also a need for a dynamic and efficient inter-subnet connectivity across Tenant Systems and End Devices that can be physical or virtual and do not necessarily participate in dynamic routing protocols. This document defines a new EVPN route type for the advertisement of IP Prefixes and explains some use-case examples where this new route-type is used. 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Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. bess Session 1 (2:00:00) Tuesday, Afternoon Session II 1550-1820 Room Name: Buckingham size: 175 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: BGP Enabled ServiceS Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Stephane Litkowski Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: idr nvo3 Second Priority: spring sfc mpls pim bier pals Third Priority: i2rs l2sm People who must be present: Martin Vigoureux Alvaro Retana Stephane Litkowski Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Feb 27 16:43:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62FA12EACB for ; 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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 03:50:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : L2L3 VPN Multicast MIB Authors : Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang Hiroshi Tsunoda Filename : draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-14.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2018-02-27 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes two MIB modules which will be used by other MIB modules for monitoring and/or configuring Layer 2 and Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks that support multicast. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-14 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/