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It would be good to see some wider interest, so please review = the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption or not, especial= ly if you are not a co-author. I will extend the poll for adoption for anot= her week, accordingly. Thanks to those who have already commented. Regards Matthew and Stephane From: BESS on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB= )" Date: Thursday, 17 May 2018 at 11:24 To: "bess@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtua= l-eth-segment-03 This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-v= irtual-eth-segment-03.txt Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr= ess without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on Thursday 31st May 2018. Regards, Matthew and St=E9phane --_000_h2ii31nhuk91el6igdh2r1q81527887545121emailplusmobileiro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support for adoption.

-Avinash




From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 8:48:24 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <b= ess@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org"= <draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-= evpn-virtual-eth-segment-03

We=92ve only had a = couple of responses from people who are not co-authors of the draft. It wou= ld be good to see some wider interest, so please review the draft and indic= ate to the list if you support adoption or not, especially if you are not a co-author. I will extend the poll for = adoption for another week, accordingly.

 

Thanks to those who= have already commented.

 

Regards

 

Matthew and Stephan= e

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of &qu= ot;Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, 17 May 2018 at 11:24
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org"= <draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn= -virtual-eth-segment-03

 

This e= mail begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual= -eth-segment-03.txt

 =

Please= review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list.

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We are= also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to thi= s Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I= PR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

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[166.171.249.255]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h8-v6sm10580pgv.29.2018.06.02.07.44.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Jun 2018 07:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6126B450-55D5-42E8-A780-A558D7A032F7 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Neeraj Malhotra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E302) In-Reply-To: <3A03C807-0BEE-47DC-ACF6-751739C2BAF5@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 07:44:41 -0700 Cc: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <0D5BABE2-05F0-4294-A5B7-2A63FFB32B72@nokia.com> <3A03C807-0BEE-47DC-ACF6-751739C2BAF5@cisco.com> To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 14:44:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6126B450-55D5-42E8-A780-A558D7A032F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Support adoption. Thanks, Neeraj > =20 > From: BESS on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - G= B)" > Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 5:48 AM > To: "bess@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-v= irtual-eth-segment-03 > =20 > We=E2=80=99ve only had a couple of responses from people who are not co-au= thors of the draft. It would be good to see some wider interest, so please r= eview the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption or not, esp= ecially if you are not a co-author. I will extend the poll for adoption for a= nother week, accordingly. > =20 > Thanks to those who have already commented. > =20 > Regards > =20 > Matthew and Stephane > =20 > From: BESS on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - G= B)" > Date: Thursday, 17 May 2018 at 11:24 > To: "bess@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" > Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtu= al-eth-segment-03 > =20 > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-= virtual-eth-segment-03.txt > =20 > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group li= st. > =20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t= his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I= PR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please r= espond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progre= ss without answers from all the authors and contributors. > Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. > =20 > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitl= y respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. > =20 > This poll for adoption closes on Thursday 31st May 2018. =20 > =20 > Regards, > Matthew and St=C3=A9phane > =20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --Apple-Mail-6126B450-55D5-42E8-A780-A558D7A032F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Suppo= rt adoption.

Thanks,
Neeraj

 

From: BESS <bes= s-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
= Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 5:48 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" <draft-saja= ssi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-e= vpn-virtual-eth-segment-03

 

We=E2=80=99ve only had a couple of responses from people who are n= ot co-authors of the draft. It would be good to see some wider interest, so p= lease review the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption or not, especially if you are not a co-author.= I will extend the poll for adoption for another week, accordingly.

 

Thanks to those who have already commented.=

 

Regards

 

Matthew and Stephane

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nok= ia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia= .com>
Date: Thursday, 17 May 2018 at 11:24
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" <draft-saja= ssi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-= virtual-eth-segment-03

 

This email begins a two-week poll for a= doption of draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-03.txt

 

Please review the draft and post any c= omments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge= of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR ha= s been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an author or a co= ntributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whethe= r or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress= without answers from all the authors and contributors.

Currently there is one IPR declaration= against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a= contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IP= R that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on Thurs= day 31st May 2018.  

 

Regards,

Matthew and St=C3=A9phane<= /o:p>

 

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([2607:fb90:86b6:3ff8:30fa:abf9:3ae4:55e3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n70-v6sm19762950pfh.140.2018.06.02.15.15.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BD6F4A62-DD73-4B16-90D9-91EE58689428 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E302) In-Reply-To: <8ACD7157-4292-4067-8897-9064C42FC0D6@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 15:15:32 -0700 Cc: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4E027F4C-D6EA-4D8E-ACA9-5C8931F4BFE5@gmail.com> References: <0D5BABE2-05F0-4294-A5B7-2A63FFB32B72@nokia.com> <8ACD7157-4292-4067-8897-9064C42FC0D6@cisco.com> To: "Krishna Muddenahally Ananthamurthy (kriswamy)" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:15:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail-BD6F4A62-DD73-4B16-90D9-91EE58689428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Regards, Jeff > On Jun 1, 2018, at 14:07, Krishna Muddenahally Ananthamurthy (kriswamy) wrote: >=20 > I support for WG adoption. > =20 > Cheers > Kris > =20 > =20 > From: BESS on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - G= B)" > Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 5:48 AM > To: "bess@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-v= irtual-eth-segment-03 > =20 > We=E2=80=99ve only had a couple of responses from people who are not co-au= thors of the draft. It would be good to see some wider interest, so please r= eview the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption or not, esp= ecially if you are not a co-author. I will extend the poll for adoption for a= nother week, accordingly. > =20 > Thanks to those who have already commented. > =20 > Regards > =20 > Matthew and Stephane > =20 > From: BESS on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - G= B)" > Date: Thursday, 17 May 2018 at 11:24 > To: "bess@ietf.org" > Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" > Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtu= al-eth-segment-03 > =20 > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-= virtual-eth-segment-03.txt > =20 > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group li= st. > =20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t= his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I= PR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please r= espond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progre= ss without answers from all the authors and contributors. > Currently there is one IPR declaration against this document. > =20 > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitl= y respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. > =20 > This poll for adoption closes on Thursday 31st May 2018. =20 > =20 > Regards, > Matthew and St=C3=A9phane > =20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --Apple-Mail-BD6F4A62-DD73-4B16-90D9-91EE58689428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support

Regards,
Jeff

On Jun 1, 2018, at 14:07, Krish= na Muddenahally Ananthamurthy (kriswamy) <kriswamy@cisco.com> wrote:

I support for WG ado= ption.

 

Cheers

Kris

 

 

From: BESS <bes= s-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
= Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 5:48 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" <draft-saja= ssi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-e= vpn-virtual-eth-segment-03

 

We=E2=80=99ve only had a couple of responses from people who are n= ot co-authors of the draft. It would be good to see some wider interest, so p= lease review the draft and indicate to the list if you support adoption or not, especially if you are not a co-author.= I will extend the poll for adoption for another week, accordingly.

 

Thanks to those who have already commented.=

 

Regards

 

Matthew and Stephane

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nok= ia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia= .com>
Date: Thursday, 17 May 2018 at 11:24
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org" <draft-saja= ssi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-= virtual-eth-segment-03

 

This email begins a two-week poll for a= doption of draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-03.txt

 

Please review the draft and post any c= omments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge= of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR ha= s been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an author or a co= ntributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whethe= r or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress= without answers from all the authors and contributors.

Currently there is one IPR declaration= against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a= contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IP= R that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on Thurs= day 31st May 2018.  

 

Regards,

Matthew and St=C3=A9phane<= /o:p>

 

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priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806050188 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Issue w/ IGMP and MLD Proxy for EVPN (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:25:05 -0000 Hi, Stephane asked me to send an email to the list describing an issue that the= authors of the IGMP and MLD Proxy for EVPN (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-= proxy) have discovered w/ the current design for identifying the [ES, EVI] = into which to import a Join/Leave Synch route, describe our proposed fix, a= nd ask if anyone objects to it.=20 The current design uses the existing EVPN ES-Import route target to limit t= he distribution of a Join/Leave Synch route to the PEs attached to a given = ES, and it uses an EVI-RT extended community to identify the EVI on that ES= into which to import the route. Unfortunately, the EVI-RT contains the Va= lue field of the EVI-RT but not its Type (two byte AS # (type 0), IP addres= s (type 1), or four byte AS # (type 2)) or Sub-Type, which is 2 in all case= s, and without the Type field in particular, the Value field of may be the = same for more than one EVI. The authors' proposal for fixing this is to define multiple versions of the= EVI-RT, one for each type and each assigned a different EVPN Extended Comm= unity Sub-Type. We would propose that section 7.5 is updated to describe the three EVI-RT e= xtended communities and section 10, IANA Considerations is updated as follo= ws: Change the description of the 0x0A Sub-Type from 'EVI-RT Extended Community= ' to 'EVI-RT Type 0 Extended Community' and add: 0x0B 'EVI-RT Type 1 Extended Community' 0x0C 'EVI-RT Type 2 Extended Community'=20 The reference for all three Sub-Types is [draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-pro= xy]. Yours Irrespectively, John -----Original Message----- From: stephane.litkowski@orange.com =20 Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:09 AM To: John E Drake Subject: RE: IGMP Proxy Hi John, Thanks for the information. It helps. However, that would have been better to have the discussion on the list (so= rry if I have missed it) and update the draft before doing the request for = a change. As this is a WG doc, we need to ensure that we have the consensus to do thi= s change and request new IANA code points. I'm sure there will be consensus as great active people were involved in yo= ur discussion but from a process point of view, that would be wonderful if = you publish a revision asap requesting changes to IANA so the WG folks are = aware of what is happening. Brgds, -----Original Message----- From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 16:07 To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS Subject: IGMP Proxy Stephane, Here is the background on our EVPN Extended Community Sub-Type request to A= manda, on which you were copied. Eric and I have had a protracted discussion (since the London IETF) w/ Ali = (Cisco) and Jorge (Nokia) regarding Ali's proposal to change the current IG= MP proxy design for identifying the [ES, EVI] into which to import a Join/L= eave Synch route. In the end we agreed to keep the current design, but to = tweak it as follows.=20 The current design uses the existing EVPN ES-Import route target to limit t= he distribution of a Join/Leave Synch route to the PEs attached to a given = ES, and it uses an EVI-RT extended community to identify the EVI on that ES= into which to import the route. Unfortunately, the EVI-RT contains the Va= lue field of the EVI-RT but not its Type (two byte AS # (type 0), IP addres= s (type 1), or four byte AS # (type 2)) or Sub-Type, which is 2 in all case= s, and without the Type field in particular, the Value field of may be the = same for more than one EVI. The proposal for fixing this is to define multiple versions of the EVI-RT, = one for each type and each assigned a different EVPN Extended Community Sub= -Type. Currently 0x0A is assigned to the EVI-RT and presumably because tha= t's what we currently use and because two byte AS #s are the common (?), it= should be re-used for the Type 0 EVI-RT. We will then assign 0x0B to the = Type 1 EVI-RT and 0x0C to the Type 2 EVI-RT. 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en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.194.201] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Shepherd review on draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-04 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:51:30 -0000 Hi authors, I was asked by the BESS WG chair to shepherd this document. Here are my rev= iew comments. In summary, the idea is straightforward and clear, but the text need some c= lean-up and enhancements to make the document more readable, hence to reduc= e the confusion. There are also some potential issues need to be addressed= before publication.=20 Below are some specific comments: 1.=20 Idnits tool shows there are some 2119 language warning that needs to be add= ressed. 2.=20 Please expand the acronyms (e.g., VPLS, PW, NLRI., etc.) when first use.=20 3.=20 Since this document updates the meaning of the "control flags" fields insid= e the "layer2 info extended community" defined RFC4761, the Abstract and In= troduction sections should have some text to state this. E.g., "This docume= nt updates RFC4761. " 4.=20 Section 2, s/ off multiple/of multiple/,=20 And the following sentence is hard to parse, it's better to do a re-writing= here. " The behavior required off the multiple PEs identified by the NLRI indicates the VPLS label they should use in the VPLS traffic being forwarded to this PE." 5. Section 2, Second Paragraph, "[RFC4761] requires that if the advertising PE sets the C and S bits, the receiving PE MUST honor the same by inserting control word (CW) and by including sequence numbers respectively." My understanding of "Honor the same" is that the receiving PE MUST set the = C and S bits. But obviously, you intend to say something else. Maybe you co= uld just directly say as below: "[RFC4761] requires that if the advertising PE sets the C and S bits, when= forwarding VPLS traffic to the PE, the receiving PE MUST insert control wo= rd (CW) and include sequence numbers respectively. " 6.=20 Section2, the third paragraph, Remove the "the VPLS BGP NLRI" or add more clarification text. " Thus, the behavior of BGP VPLS needs to be further specified." This sente= nce is too general, how about: " Thus, the behavior of processing CW and sequencing needs to be further sp= ecified." 7. Section 3.2 s/Current BGP VPLS implementation/ Current BGP VPLS specification 8.=20 Section 3.2, s/with the sequence numbers as well/with sequence numbers as well 9. Section 3.2, "If the PEs at both ends of the PW do not agree on the setting of the S-bit, the PW SHOULD NOT come up at all." Seems this is different from the process of CW, is this the intention? 10.=20 Section 4, It suggests to use two P2MP LSPs to deliver VPLS frames with/without CW and= /or sequence. But for a specific PE, there will be 4 possibilities:=20 CW Sequence Y Y Y N N Y N N Correspondingly, it seems that 4 LSPs needs, am I right? If so, how do the= two LSP cover the 4 situations? 11=20 Section 5 and Section 6 talk how to apply the new treatment defined in this= document to the multi-homing scenario. Seems no need put them into differ= ent sections. I'd suggest to merge the section and simplify the description= . Because most of the context belong to the problem statement and has been = stated in the problem section. You move some text to the problem section. In addition, for the multi-homing scenario, it allows the backup and primar= y PWs having different C and S treatment, is it the intention. =20 12. I believe that the current "Security Considerations" is too simple and can= not pass the IESG evaluation, the authors need to expand this section. BTW, the IANA section just list "none" seems too simple as well:-), add mor= e words would improve the completeness of the document.=20 Best regards, Mach=20 From nobody Tue Jun 12 03:13:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B71130F4D for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 03:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VOOzJypXl_W5 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 03:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 984A1131168 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 03:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar01.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by opfedar23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 0E416160D6E for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:13:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.69]) by opfedar01.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 9C95E16005E for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:13:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::bc1c:ad2f:eda3:8c3d%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0389.001; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:13:11 +0200 From: To: "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Slot requests for BESS WG session - IETF 102 - Montreal Thread-Index: AdQCNcEQiRDYdzPHTD2ecs3csmh3mw== Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 10:13:10 +0000 Message-ID: <15439_1528798391_5B1F9CB7_15439_120_14_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1A8264@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1A8264OPEXCLILMA4corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Slot requests for BESS WG session - IETF 102 - Montreal X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 10:13:22 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1A8264OPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, It is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Montreal. 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--_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1A8264OPEXCLILMA4corp_-- From nobody Tue Jun 12 07:06:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B49B130F29; Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:06:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152881236135.9294.11446345650429835347@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:06:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-fast-df-recovery-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:06:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Fast Recovery for EVPN DF Election Authors : Ali Sajassi Gaurav Badoni Dhananjaya Rao Patrice Brissette John Drake Jorge Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-fast-df-recovery-00.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2018-06-12 Abstract: Ethernet Virtual Private Network (EVPN) solution [RFC 7432] describes DF election procedures for multi-homing Ethernet Segments. These procedures are enhanced further in [DF-FRAMEWORK] by applying Highest Random Weight Algorithm for DF election in order to avoid DF status unnecessarily upon a failure. This draft makes further improvement to DF election procedures in [DF-FRAMEWORK] by providing two options for fast DF election upon recovery of the failed link or node associated with the multi-homing Ethernet Segment. This fast DF election is achieved independent of number of EVIs associated with that Ethernet Segment and it is performed via a simple signaling between the recovered PE and each PE in the multi-homing group. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-fast-df-recovery/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-fast-df-recovery-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-fast-df-recovery-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHUAb0/C+i0io0nekOi/XAFLuZhe6RbeAcwgAPOgDA= Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 06:17:23 +0000 Message-ID: <21095_1528957044_5B220874_21095_95_5_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1BA942@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <152874653557.2807.17161289464973121006.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 06:17:28 -0000 Hi Ron, I have read quickly the document. I think the use case of having secure L3VPNs is valid and we already have a= ll (or most of) the technology building blocks to do it. Now the draft takes a complete upside down approach comparing to our well k= nown L3VPNs which are provider provisioned VPNs as you propose to build the= m at the CE side. This could be a valid approach but isn't it a niche use case ? Customer sites connected over the Internet is for sure a use case to handle= , and we already to it today by establishing an IPSec tunnel towards an SP-= PE, the tunnel ends in the customer VRF. Customer data must not be exposed: also a valid use case. We have some cust= omers doing IPSec transport within MPLS VPN for some specific traffic. On t= he other hand, from an SP point of view, when core links are not fully trus= ted, MACSEC or IPSec are also options. I'm less convinced by the routing that should not be exposed. I agree that = this is a possibility and a valid use case but I do not think that this is = a big deal for most of customers (even those requiring more security). The = good thing of MPLS VPN is the routing complexity is almost pushed to the SP= and the customer has few things to do and they are happy with that. The last case of the multitenancy on the customer side is also valid, but I= also think that it is a niche use case.=20 My point is that the draft is currently focusing on one scenario which in m= y opinion addresses a niche use case while there may be intermediate scenar= ios (like no multitenancy and/or no need of routing protection) that could = be more widely applicable. Brgds, =20 Stephane -----Original Message----- From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 21:56 To: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3= vpn-00.txt Folks, Please review and comment on this draft. Ron -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:49 PM To: Ron Bonica ; Eric Rosen ; Eric= Rosen Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt A new version of I-D, draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Eric C. Rosen and posted to the IETF rep= ository. Name: draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn Revision: 00 Title: Augmenting RFC 4364 Technology to Provide Secure Layer L3VPNs over = Public Infrastructure Document date: 2018-06-11 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 19 URL: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00= =20=20=20 Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn/= =20=20=20=20 Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00=20= =20=20=20=20 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3= vpn=20=20=20=20=20 Abstract: The Layer 3 Virtual Private Network (VPN) technology described in RFC 4364 is focused on the scenario in which a network Service Provider (SP) maintains a secure backbone network and offers VPN service over that network to its customers. Customers access the SP's network by attaching "Customer Edge" (CE) routers to "Provider Edge" (PE) routers, and exchanging cleartext IP packets. PE routers generally serve multiple customers, and prevent unauthorized communication among customers. Customer data sent across the backbone (from one PE to another) is encapsulated in MPLS, using an MPLS label to associate a given packet with a given customer. The labeled packets are then sent across the backbone network in the clear, using MPLS transport. However, many customers want a VPN service that is secure enough to run over the public Internet, and which does not require them to send cleartext IP packets to a service provider. Often they want to connect directly to edge nodes of the public Internet, which does not provide MPLS support. Each customer may itself have multiple tenants who are not allowed to intercommunicate with each other freely. In this case, the customer many need to provide a VPN service for the tenants. This document describes a way in which this can be achieved using the technology of RFC 4364. The functionality assigned therein to a PE router can be placed instead in Customer Premises Equipment. This functionality can be augmented by transmitting MPLS packets through IPsec Security Associations. The BGP control plane sessions can also be protected by IPsec. This allows a customer to use RFC 4364 technology to provide VPN service to its internal departments, while sending only IPsec-protected packets to the Internet or other backbone network, and eliminating the need for MPLS transport in the backbone. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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In my opinion I completely have opposite view to yours - "niche use case" - quite contrary connecting customer sites over open infrastructure have already started to happen in large scale globally. It is not about adding IPSec tunnel here and there - the crux is about automating it to accommodate very large scale deployments. Perhaps your comment is based on this specific point that IPSec today created manually is a niche and therefor automating it does not make sense. But this is not about it. It is about transition from SP operated L3VPNs into an alternative L3VPN paradigm. Yes I understand that the draft may not be very comfortable for SPs who's review comes from locking customer to MPLS-L3VPN backbone just like in the old days they were locking customer to Frame Relay or ATM backbones :). Maybe our definitions of niche is a bit different, but when I look at the market cap of SD-WAN vendors it seems like if you would call as niche an ant in the forest here we are watching an army of elephants entering the woods. Yes the draft is just first important step towards standards based open infra secure interconnects - it can not be treated as full SD-WAN spec as it is missing a lot of important functionalities today addressed in more or less proprietary way by any such vendor. The technology is not new too ... since day one we had Carrier's Carrier solution when customers could exchange their routes directly. We also had tunnel encapsulation attribute in place where we could signal various parameters of given encap. However putting it all together as Eric did in this document is IMHO a very important step fwd especially coming under the umbrella of one specific affiliation :). I do support this work and I hope this is just one brick which we can start build on going forward standards based interoperable secure connectivity over open public IP infrastructure. Kind regards, Robert. On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:17 AM, wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I have read quickly the document. > I think the use case of having secure L3VPNs is valid and we already have > all (or most of) the technology building blocks to do it. > Now the draft takes a complete upside down approach comparing to our well > known L3VPNs which are provider provisioned VPNs as you propose to build > them at the CE side. > This could be a valid approach but isn't it a niche use case ? > > Customer sites connected over the Internet is for sure a use case to > handle, and we already to it today by establishing an IPSec tunnel towards > an SP-PE, the tunnel ends in the customer VRF. > Customer data must not be exposed: also a valid use case. We have some > customers doing IPSec transport within MPLS VPN for some specific traffic. > On the other hand, from an SP point of view, when core links are not fully > trusted, MACSEC or IPSec are also options. > > I'm less convinced by the routing that should not be exposed. I agree that > this is a possibility and a valid use case but I do not think that this is > a big deal for most of customers (even those requiring more security). The > good thing of MPLS VPN is the routing complexity is almost pushed to the SP > and the customer has few things to do and they are happy with that. > > The last case of the multitenancy on the customer side is also valid, but > I also think that it is a niche use case. > > My point is that the draft is currently focusing on one scenario which in > my opinion addresses a niche use case while there may be intermediate > scenarios (like no multitenancy and/or no need of routing protection) that > could be more widely applicable. > > Brgds, > > Stephane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 21:56 > To: bess@ietf.org > Subject: [bess] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > > Folks, > > Please review and comment on this draft. > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:49 PM > To: Ron Bonica ; Eric Rosen ; > Eric Rosen > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Eric C. Rosen and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Name: draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn > Revision: 00 > Title: Augmenting RFC 4364 Technology to Provide Secure Layer > L3VPNs over Public Infrastructure > Document date: 2018-06-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 19 > URL: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00 > > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-bess-secure- > l3vpn/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00 > > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rosen-bess- > secure-l3vpn > > > Abstract: > The Layer 3 Virtual Private Network (VPN) technology described in RFC > 4364 is focused on the scenario in which a network Service Provider > (SP) maintains a secure backbone network and offers VPN service over > that network to its customers. Customers access the SP's network by > attaching "Customer Edge" (CE) routers to "Provider Edge" (PE) > routers, and exchanging cleartext IP packets. PE routers generally > serve multiple customers, and prevent unauthorized communication > among customers. Customer data sent across the backbone (from one PE > to another) is encapsulated in MPLS, using an MPLS label to associate > a given packet with a given customer. The labeled packets are then > sent across the backbone network in the clear, using MPLS transport. > However, many customers want a VPN service that is secure enough to > run over the public Internet, and which does not require them to send > cleartext IP packets to a service provider. Often they want to > connect directly to edge nodes of the public Internet, which does not > provide MPLS support. Each customer may itself have multiple tenants > who are not allowed to intercommunicate with each other freely. In > this case, the customer many need to provide a VPN service for the > tenants. This document describes a way in which this can be achieved > using the technology of RFC 4364. The functionality assigned therein > to a PE router can be placed instead in Customer Premises Equipment. > This functionality can be augmented by transmitting MPLS packets > through IPsec Security Associations. The BGP control plane sessions > can also be protected by IPsec. This allows a customer to use RFC > 4364 technology to provide VPN service to its internal departments, > while sending only IPsec-protected packets to the Internet or other > backbone network, and eliminating the need for MPLS transport in the > backbone. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hello Stephane,

I read the draft with deep interest. In my op= inion I completely have opposite view to yours - "niche use case"= - quite contrary connecting customer sites over open infrastructure have a= lready started to happen in large scale globally.=C2=A0

It is not about adding IPSec tunnel here = and there - the crux is about automating it to accommodate very large scale= deployments. Perhaps your comment is based on this specific point that IPS= ec today created manually is a niche and therefor automating it does not ma= ke sense. But this is not about it. It is about transition from SP operated= L3VPNs into an alternative L3VPN paradigm.

Yes I understand that the draft may not be very comfo= rtable for SPs who's review comes from locking customer to MPLS-L3VPN b= ackbone just like in the old days they were locking customer to Frame Relay= or ATM backbones :).=C2=A0

Maybe our definitions of niche is a bit different, but when I look at= the market cap of SD-WAN vendors it seems like if you would call as niche = an ant in the forest here we are watching an army of elephants entering the= woods.=C2=A0

Yes the = draft is just first important step towards standards based open infra secur= e interconnects - it can not be treated as full SD-WAN spec as it is missin= g a lot of important functionalities today addressed in more or less propri= etary way by any such vendor.=C2=A0

The technology is not new too ...=C2=A0 since day one we had = Carrier's Carrier solution when customers could exchange their routes d= irectly. We also had tunnel encapsulation attribute in place where we could= signal various parameters of given encap. However putting it all together = as Eric did in this document is IMHO a very important step fwd especially c= oming under the umbrella of one specific affiliation :).=C2=A0

I do support this work and I hope = this is just one brick which we can start build on going forward standards = based interoperable secure connectivity over open public IP infrastructure.= =C2=A0

Kind regards,
Robert.








On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:17 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orang= e.com> wrote:
Hi Ron,

I have read quickly the document.
I think the use case of having secure L3VPNs is valid and we already have a= ll (or most of) the technology building blocks to do it.
Now the draft takes a complete upside down approach comparing to our well k= nown L3VPNs which are provider provisioned VPNs as you propose to build the= m at the CE side.
This could be a valid approach but isn't it a niche use case ?

Customer sites connected over the Internet is for sure a use case to handle= , and we already to it today by establishing an IPSec tunnel towards an SP-= PE, the tunnel ends in the customer VRF.
Customer data must not be exposed: also a valid use case. We have some cust= omers doing IPSec transport within MPLS VPN for some specific traffic. On t= he other hand, from an SP point of view, when core links are not fully trus= ted, MACSEC or IPSec are also options.

I'm less convinced by the routing that should not be exposed. I agree t= hat this is a possibility and a valid use case but I do not think that this= is a big deal for most of customers (even those requiring more security). = The good thing of MPLS VPN is the routing complexity is almost pushed to th= e SP and the customer has few things to do and they are happy with that.
The last case of the multitenancy on the customer side is also valid, but I= also think that it is a niche use case.

My point is that the draft is currently focusing on one scenario which in m= y opinion addresses a niche use case while there may be intermediate scenar= ios (like no multitenancy and/or no need of routing protection) that could = be more widely applicable.

Brgds,

Stephane


-----Original Message-----
From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 21:56
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3= vpn-00.txt

Folks,

Please review and comment on this draft.

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From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<= /a> <internet-drafts@ietf.or= g>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:49 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.n= et>; Eric Rosen <erosen@jun= iper.net>; Eric Rosen <eros= en@juniper.net>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00= .txt


A new version of I-D, draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Eric C. Rosen and posted to the IETF rep= ository.

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0who are not allowed to intercommunicate with each other freely= .=C2=A0 In
=C2=A0 =C2=A0this case, the customer many need to provide a VPN service for= the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0tenants.=C2=A0 This document describes a way in which this can= be achieved
=C2=A0 =C2=A0using the technology of RFC 4364.=C2=A0 The functionality assi= gned therein
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to a PE router can be placed instead in Customer Premises Equi= pment.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This functionality can be augmented by transmitting MPLS packe= ts
=C2=A0 =C2=A0through IPsec Security Associations.=C2=A0 The BGP control pla= ne sessions
=C2=A0 =C2=A0can also be protected by IPsec.=C2=A0 This allows a customer t= o use RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A04364 technology to provide VPN service to its internal departm= ents,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0while sending only IPsec-protected packets to the Internet or = other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0backbone network, and eliminating the need for MPLS transport = in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0backbone.




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bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:01:34 -0000 --000000000000f8d792056e9804b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, On the topic of multitenancy in customer sites I completely agree with You. I pointed that to the authors already ;) But observe that if they also are targeting DCs as the draft says there is clear need for multi tenancy on compute nodes. I guess they are trying to cook two meals on the same fire. But then this is a bit of head on collision course with Contrail .... Best, R. On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 12:41 wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > Thanks for sharing your point of view. I think we just have a different > reading/understanding of the goals. > > I do not disagree with what you say. > > > > I was not seeing this as an SD-WAN like solution. At least it is not > presented this way. > > I understood the draft as how can I overcome some security concerns today > with PPVPN. > > > > I=E2=80=99m fine to build automated VPNs over a public infra like Interne= t J > > If we want to make this solution more SDWAN like (I do not mean a full > SDWAN solution), we need to involve more automation, especially setup of > RRs and BGP sessions=E2=80=A6 > > > > Again, as I mentioned, the multitenancy is more a nice to have: most of > customers do not need this. > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > Stephane > > > > > > > > *From:* rraszuk@gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Rober= t > Raszuk > *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:13 > *To:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS > *Cc:* Ron Bonica; bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [bess] New Version Notification for > draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > > > > Hello Stephane, > > > > I read the draft with deep interest. In my opinion I completely have > opposite view to yours - "niche use case" - quite contrary connecting > customer sites over open infrastructure have already started to happen in > large scale globally. > > > > It is not about adding IPSec tunnel here and there - the crux is about > automating it to accommodate very large scale deployments. Perhaps your > comment is based on this specific point that IPSec today created manually > is a niche and therefor automating it does not make sense. But this is no= t > about it. It is about transition from SP operated L3VPNs into an > alternative L3VPN paradigm. > > > > Yes I understand that the draft may not be very comfortable for SPs who's > review comes from locking customer to MPLS-L3VPN backbone just like in th= e > old days they were locking customer to Frame Relay or ATM backbones :). > > > > Maybe our definitions of niche is a bit different, but when I look at the > market cap of SD-WAN vendors it seems like if you would call as niche an > ant in the forest here we are watching an army of elephants entering the > woods. > > > > Yes the draft is just first important step towards standards based open > infra secure interconnects - it can not be treated as full SD-WAN spec as > it is missing a lot of important functionalities today addressed in more = or > less proprietary way by any such vendor. > > > > The technology is not new too ... since day one we had Carrier's Carrier > solution when customers could exchange their routes directly. We also had > tunnel encapsulation attribute in place where we could signal various > parameters of given encap. However putting it all together as Eric did in > this document is IMHO a very important step fwd especially coming under t= he > umbrella of one specific affiliation :). > > > > I do support this work and I hope this is just one brick which we can > start build on going forward standards based interoperable secure > connectivity over open public IP infrastructure. > > > > Kind regards, > > Robert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:17 AM, wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > I have read quickly the document. > I think the use case of having secure L3VPNs is valid and we already have > all (or most of) the technology building blocks to do it. > Now the draft takes a complete upside down approach comparing to our well > known L3VPNs which are provider provisioned VPNs as you propose to build > them at the CE side. > This could be a valid approach but isn't it a niche use case ? > > Customer sites connected over the Internet is for sure a use case to > handle, and we already to it today by establishing an IPSec tunnel toward= s > an SP-PE, the tunnel ends in the customer VRF. > Customer data must not be exposed: also a valid use case. We have some > customers doing IPSec transport within MPLS VPN for some specific traffic= . > On the other hand, from an SP point of view, when core links are not full= y > trusted, MACSEC or IPSec are also options. > > I'm less convinced by the routing that should not be exposed. I agree tha= t > this is a possibility and a valid use case but I do not think that this i= s > a big deal for most of customers (even those requiring more security). Th= e > good thing of MPLS VPN is the routing complexity is almost pushed to the = SP > and the customer has few things to do and they are happy with that. > > The last case of the multitenancy on the customer side is also valid, but > I also think that it is a niche use case. > > My point is that the draft is currently focusing on one scenario which in > my opinion addresses a niche use case while there may be intermediate > scenarios (like no multitenancy and/or no need of routing protection) tha= t > could be more widely applicable. > > Brgds, > > Stephane > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 21:56 > To: bess@ietf.org > Subject: [bess] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > > Folks, > > Please review and comment on this draft. > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:49 PM > To: Ron Bonica ; Eric Rosen ; > Eric Rosen > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.tx= t > > > A new version of I-D, draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Eric C. Rosen and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Name: draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn > Revision: 00 > Title: Augmenting RFC 4364 Technology to Provide Secure Layer > L3VPNs over Public Infrastructure > Document date: 2018-06-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 19 > URL: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00 > > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00 > > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn > > > Abstract: > The Layer 3 Virtual Private Network (VPN) technology described in RFC > 4364 is focused on the scenario in which a network Service Provider > (SP) maintains a secure backbone network and offers VPN service over > that network to its customers. Customers access the SP's network by > attaching "Customer Edge" (CE) routers to "Provider Edge" (PE) > routers, and exchanging cleartext IP packets. PE routers generally > serve multiple customers, and prevent unauthorized communication > among customers. Customer data sent across the backbone (from one PE > to another) is encapsulated in MPLS, using an MPLS label to associate > a given packet with a given customer. The labeled packets are then > sent across the backbone network in the clear, using MPLS transport. > However, many customers want a VPN service that is secure enough to > run over the public Internet, and which does not require them to send > cleartext IP packets to a service provider. Often they want to > connect directly to edge nodes of the public Internet, which does not > provide MPLS support. Each customer may itself have multiple tenants > who are not allowed to intercommunicate with each other freely. In > this case, the customer many need to provide a VPN service for the > tenants. This document describes a way in which this can be achieved > using the technology of RFC 4364. The functionality assigned therein > to a PE router can be placed instead in Customer Premises Equipment. > This functionality can be augmented by transmitting MPLS packets > through IPsec Security Associations. The BGP control plane sessions > can also be protected by IPsec. 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Hi Stefan,

O= n the topic of multitenancy in customer sites I completely agree with You.<= /div>

I pointed that to the au= thors already ;)

But obs= erve that if they also are targeting DCs as the draft says there is clear n= eed for multi tenancy on compute nodes. I guess they are trying to cook two= meals on the same fire.

But then this is a bit of head on collision course with Contrail ....

Best,
R.

On Thu, Jun = 14, 2018, 12:41 <steph= ane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,<= /span>

=C2=A0

Thanks for sharing your p= oint of view. I think we just have a different reading/understanding of the= goals.

I do not disagree with wh= at you say.

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I was not seeing this as = an SD-WAN like solution. At least it is not presented this way.

I understood the draft as= how can I overcome some security concerns today with PPVPN.<= /span>

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m fine to build= automated VPNs over a public infra like Internet J

If we want to make this s= olution more SDWAN like (I do not mean a full SDWAN solution), we need to i= nvolve more automation, especially setup of RRs and BGP sessions=E2=80=A6

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Again, as I mentioned, th= e multitenancy is more a nice to have: most of customers do not need this.<= u>

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Brgds,

=C2=A0

Stephane

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From: rraszuk@= gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:13
To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS
Cc: Ron Bonica; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-se= cure-l3vpn-00.txt

=C2=A0

Hello Stephane,

=C2=A0

I read the draft with deep interest. In my opinion I compl= etely have opposite view to yours - "niche use case" - quite cont= rary connecting customer sites over open infrastructure have already started to happen in large scale globally.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

It is not about adding IPSec tunnel here and there - the c= rux is about automating it to accommodate very large scale deployments. Per= haps your comment is based on this specific point that IPSec today created manually is a niche and therefor automating it does not make= sense. But this is not about it. It is about transition from SP operated L= 3VPNs into an alternative L3VPN paradigm.

=C2=A0

Yes I understand that the draft may not be very comfortabl= e for SPs who's review comes from locking customer to MPLS-L3VPN backbo= ne just like in the old days they were locking customer to Frame Relay or ATM backbones :).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Maybe our definitions of niche is a bit different, but whe= n I look at the market cap of SD-WAN vendors it seems like if you would cal= l as niche an ant in the forest here we are watching an army of elephants entering the woods.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yes the draft is just first important step towards standar= ds based open infra secure interconnects - it can not be treated as full SD= -WAN spec as it is missing a lot of important functionalities today addressed in more or less proprietary way by any such vendor.=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0

The technology is not new too ...=C2=A0 since day one we h= ad Carrier's Carrier solution when customers could exchange their route= s directly. We also had tunnel encapsulation attribute in place where we could signal various parameters of given encap. However putting it all = together as Eric did in this document is IMHO a very important step fwd esp= ecially coming under the umbrella of one specific affiliation :).=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0

I do support this work and I hope this is just one brick w= hich we can start build on going forward standards based interoperable secu= re connectivity over open public IP infrastructure.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind regards,

Robert.

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:17 AM, <step= hane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Ron,

I have read quickly the document.
I think the use case of having secure L3VPNs is valid and we already have a= ll (or most of) the technology building blocks to do it.
Now the draft takes a complete upside down approach comparing to our well k= nown L3VPNs which are provider provisioned VPNs as you propose to build the= m at the CE side.
This could be a valid approach but isn't it a niche use case ?

Customer sites connected over the Internet is for sure a use case to handle= , and we already to it today by establishing an IPSec tunnel towards an SP-= PE, the tunnel ends in the customer VRF.
Customer data must not be exposed: also a valid use case. We have some cust= omers doing IPSec transport within MPLS VPN for some specific traffic. On t= he other hand, from an SP point of view, when core links are not fully trus= ted, MACSEC or IPSec are also options.

I'm less convinced by the routing that should not be exposed. I agree t= hat this is a possibility and a valid use case but I do not think that this= is a big deal for most of customers (even those requiring more security). = The good thing of MPLS VPN is the routing complexity is almost pushed to the SP and the customer has few things to d= o and they are happy with that.

The last case of the multitenancy on the customer side is also valid, but I= also think that it is a niche use case.

My point is that the draft is currently focusing on one scenario which in m= y opinion addresses a niche use case while there may be intermediate scenar= ios (like no multitenancy and/or no need of routing protection) that could = be more widely applicable.

Brgds,

Stephane



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From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 21:56
To: b= ess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3= vpn-00.txt

Folks,

Please review and comment on this draft.

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To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; Eric Rosen <erosen@juni= per.net>; Eric Rosen <erosen@juniper.net>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt<= br>

A new version of I-D, draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Eric C. Rosen and posted to the IETF rep= ository.

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Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Augmenting RFC 4364 Technology to = Provide Secure Layer L3VPNs over Public Infrastructure
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Layer 3 Virtual Private Network (VPN) technology described= in RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A04364 is focused on the scenario in which a network Service Pro= vider
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(SP) maintains a secure backbone network and offers VPN servic= e over
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that network to its customers.=C2=A0 Customers access the SP&#= 39;s network by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attaching "Customer Edge" (CE) routers to "Prov= ider Edge" (PE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0routers, and exchanging cleartext IP packets.=C2=A0 PE routers= generally
=C2=A0 =C2=A0serve multiple customers, and prevent unauthorized communicati= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0among customers.=C2=A0 Customer data sent across the backbone = (from one PE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to another) is encapsulated in MPLS, using an MPLS label to as= sociate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a given packet with a given customer.=C2=A0 The labeled packet= s are then
=C2=A0 =C2=A0sent across the backbone network in the clear, using MPLS tran= sport.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0However, many customers want a VPN service that is secure enou= gh to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0run over the public Internet, and which does not require them = to send
=C2=A0 =C2=A0cleartext IP packets to a service provider.=C2=A0 Often they w= ant to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0connect directly to edge nodes of the public Internet, which d= oes not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0provide MPLS support.=C2=A0 Each customer may itself have mult= iple tenants
=C2=A0 =C2=A0who are not allowed to intercommunicate with each other freely= .=C2=A0 In
=C2=A0 =C2=A0this case, the customer many need to provide a VPN service for= the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0tenants.=C2=A0 This document describes a way in which this can= be achieved
=C2=A0 =C2=A0using the technology of RFC 4364.=C2=A0 The functionality assi= gned therein
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to a PE router can be placed instead in Customer Premises Equi= pment.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This functionality can be augmented by transmitting MPLS packe= ts
=C2=A0 =C2=A0through IPsec Security Associations.=C2=A0 The BGP control pla= ne sessions
=C2=A0 =C2=A0can also be protected by IPsec.=C2=A0 This allows a customer t= o use RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A04364 technology to provide VPN service to its internal departm= ents,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0while sending only IPsec-protected packets to the Internet or = other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0backbone network, and eliminating the need for MPLS transport = in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0backbone.




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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 19e8fb7a-0ea2-4e6a-8b7f-08d5d2068ecb X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Jun 2018 14:53:14.8884 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO1PR05MB268 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2018-06-14_05:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_spam_notspam policy=outbound_spam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806140165 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:53:22 -0000 Hi Stephane, Yes, we are talking about a niche use case. We probably should have talked = about the use case more in the draft. Assume the following about an enterprise: - It has many compartments (VPNs) that requires some degree of separation f= rom one another - It has many permanent sites - It has a mission critical requirement for site mobility. In response to some transient event (e.g., a natural disaster, a sporting e= vent, a geopolitical event), the enterprise may have to add a new site. The= site will be secured by the enterprise (hence, the C-PE) and will use what= ever connectivity is available (e.g., hotel Wi-Fi). The site is temporary. Once the transient event is over, the site goes away= . Yes, this is a niche use-case, but the market is large enough to warrant ou= r attention. Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: stephane.litkowski@orange.com > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:17 AM > To: Ron Bonica ; bess@ietf.org > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn- > 00.txt >=20 > Hi Ron, >=20 > I have read quickly the document. > I think the use case of having secure L3VPNs is valid and we already have= all > (or most of) the technology building blocks to do it. > Now the draft takes a complete upside down approach comparing to our well > known L3VPNs which are provider provisioned VPNs as you propose to build > them at the CE side. > This could be a valid approach but isn't it a niche use case ? >=20 > Customer sites connected over the Internet is for sure a use case to hand= le, > and we already to it today by establishing an IPSec tunnel towards an SP-= PE, > the tunnel ends in the customer VRF. > Customer data must not be exposed: also a valid use case. We have some > customers doing IPSec transport within MPLS VPN for some specific traffic= . > On the other hand, from an SP point of view, when core links are not full= y > trusted, MACSEC or IPSec are also options. >=20 > I'm less convinced by the routing that should not be exposed. I agree tha= t > this is a possibility and a valid use case but I do not think that this i= s a big deal > for most of customers (even those requiring more security). The good thin= g > of MPLS VPN is the routing complexity is almost pushed to the SP and the > customer has few things to do and they are happy with that. >=20 > The last case of the multitenancy on the customer side is also valid, but= I also > think that it is a niche use case. >=20 > My point is that the draft is currently focusing on one scenario which in= my > opinion addresses a niche use case while there may be intermediate > scenarios (like no multitenancy and/or no need of routing protection) tha= t > could be more widely applicable. >=20 > Brgds, >=20 > Stephane >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 21:56 > To: bess@ietf.org > Subject: [bess] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure- > l3vpn-00.txt >=20 > Folks, >=20 > Please review and comment on this draft. >=20 > Ron >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:49 PM > To: Ron Bonica ; Eric Rosen ; > Eric Rosen > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.tx= t >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Eric C. Rosen and posted to the IETF > repository. >=20 > Name: draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn > Revision: 00 > Title: Augmenting RFC 4364 Technology to Provide Secure Layer > L3VPNs over Public Infrastructure > Document date: 2018-06-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 19 > URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure-2Dl3vpn- > 2D00&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3DWZHJlo1WtiFkNoPygS1bcJe-TVSTCSu4YrVoGckSTgA&e=3D > Status: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure- > 2Dl3vpn_&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3DsiUM7bajtgMwdB8RGQEqfGIskeMmvVgmJbueM2TQfmc&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure-2Dl3vpn- > 2D00&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3DWZHJlo1WtiFkNoPygS1bcJe-TVSTCSu4YrVoGckSTgA&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_html_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure- > 2Dl3vpn&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3D8qEoWVnhEGQT-Xvmq5C8eGsH0eQv7zAhXoKmz7eN2Cw&e=3D >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > The Layer 3 Virtual Private Network (VPN) technology described in RFC > 4364 is focused on the scenario in which a network Service Provider > (SP) maintains a secure backbone network and offers VPN service over > that network to its customers. Customers access the SP's network by > attaching "Customer Edge" (CE) routers to "Provider Edge" (PE) > routers, and exchanging cleartext IP packets. PE routers generally > serve multiple customers, and prevent unauthorized communication > among customers. Customer data sent across the backbone (from one PE > to another) is encapsulated in MPLS, using an MPLS label to associate > a given packet with a given customer. The labeled packets are then > sent across the backbone network in the clear, using MPLS transport. > However, many customers want a VPN service that is secure enough to > run over the public Internet, and which does not require them to send > cleartext IP packets to a service provider. Often they want to > connect directly to edge nodes of the public Internet, which does not > provide MPLS support. Each customer may itself have multiple tenants > who are not allowed to intercommunicate with each other freely. In > this case, the customer many need to provide a VPN service for the > tenants. This document describes a way in which this can be achieved > using the technology of RFC 4364. The functionality assigned therein > to a PE router can be placed instead in Customer Premises Equipment. > This functionality can be augmented by transmitting MPLS packets > through IPsec Security Associations. The BGP control plane sessions > can also be protected by IPsec. This allows a customer to use RFC > 4364 technology to provide VPN service to its internal departments, > while sending only IPsec-protected packets to the Internet or other > backbone network, and eliminating the need for MPLS transport in the > backbone. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bess&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Sc > bfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3DqptmIVc7U_jc-kNnUXNcrnc9Gft_Utcc0-sn0jcMLJg&e=3D >=20 > __________________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________________ > _____ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Fri Jun 15 00:52:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71B9130ED4 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I_GBYRoslb7O for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta134.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89E48130E2B for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.68]) by opfednr23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id DBFD2C086A; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.2]) by opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id BA8BD40083; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0399.000; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:52:33 +0200 From: To: Ron Bonica , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHUAb0/C+i0io0nekOi/XAFLuZhe6RbeAcwgAPOgDCAAJITcIABHn0w Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 07:52:32 +0000 Message-ID: <28899_1529049153_5B237041_28899_477_8_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1D03DC@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <152874653557.2807.17161289464973121006.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <21095_1528957044_5B220874_21095_95_5_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B1BA942@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 07:52:52 -0000 Hi Ron, I fully understand the case you are describing and I support this work (spe= aking as individual). I think it would be worth to clarify the goals/use cases and if you plan to= address the use case that Robert has mentioned. Brgds, -----Original Message----- From: Ron Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 16:53 To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; bess@ietf.org Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.= txt Hi Stephane, Yes, we are talking about a niche use case. We probably should have talked = about the use case more in the draft. Assume the following about an enterprise: - It has many compartments (VPNs) that requires some degree of separation f= rom one another - It has many permanent sites - It has a mission critical requirement for site mobility. In response to some transient event (e.g., a natural disaster, a sporting e= vent, a geopolitical event), the enterprise may have to add a new site. The= site will be secured by the enterprise (hence, the C-PE) and will use what= ever connectivity is available (e.g., hotel Wi-Fi). The site is temporary. Once the transient event is over, the site goes away. Yes, this is a niche use-case, but the market is large enough to warrant ou= r attention. Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: stephane.litkowski@orange.com > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:17 AM > To: Ron Bonica ; bess@ietf.org > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn- > 00.txt >=20 > Hi Ron, >=20 > I have read quickly the document. > I think the use case of having secure L3VPNs is valid and we already have= all > (or most of) the technology building blocks to do it. > Now the draft takes a complete upside down approach comparing to our well > known L3VPNs which are provider provisioned VPNs as you propose to build > them at the CE side. > This could be a valid approach but isn't it a niche use case ? >=20 > Customer sites connected over the Internet is for sure a use case to hand= le, > and we already to it today by establishing an IPSec tunnel towards an SP-= PE, > the tunnel ends in the customer VRF. > Customer data must not be exposed: also a valid use case. We have some > customers doing IPSec transport within MPLS VPN for some specific traffic. > On the other hand, from an SP point of view, when core links are not fully > trusted, MACSEC or IPSec are also options. >=20 > I'm less convinced by the routing that should not be exposed. I agree that > this is a possibility and a valid use case but I do not think that this i= s a big deal > for most of customers (even those requiring more security). The good thing > of MPLS VPN is the routing complexity is almost pushed to the SP and the > customer has few things to do and they are happy with that. >=20 > The last case of the multitenancy on the customer side is also valid, but= I also > think that it is a niche use case. >=20 > My point is that the draft is currently focusing on one scenario which in= my > opinion addresses a niche use case while there may be intermediate > scenarios (like no multitenancy and/or no need of routing protection) that > could be more widely applicable. >=20 > Brgds, >=20 > Stephane >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 21:56 > To: bess@ietf.org > Subject: [bess] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure- > l3vpn-00.txt >=20 > Folks, >=20 > Please review and comment on this draft. >=20 > Ron >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:49 PM > To: Ron Bonica ; Eric Rosen ; > Eric Rosen > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Eric C. Rosen and posted to the IETF > repository. >=20 > Name: draft-rosen-bess-secure-l3vpn > Revision: 00 > Title: Augmenting RFC 4364 Technology to Provide Secure Layer > L3VPNs over Public Infrastructure > Document date: 2018-06-11 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 19 > URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure-2Dl3vpn- > 2D00&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3DWZHJlo1WtiFkNoPygS1bcJe-TVSTCSu4YrVoGckSTgA&e=3D > Status: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure- > 2Dl3vpn_&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3DsiUM7bajtgMwdB8RGQEqfGIskeMmvVgmJbueM2TQfmc&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure-2Dl3vpn- > 2D00&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3DWZHJlo1WtiFkNoPygS1bcJe-TVSTCSu4YrVoGckSTgA&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_html_draft-2Drosen-2Dbess-2Dsecure- > 2Dl3vpn&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DFch9FQ82sir-BoLx84hKuKwl- > AWF2EfpHcAwrDThKP8&m=3Dynt6xEw1IEsGTlD_UKas9ALkZzKN_qfQO9ccs- > D_xmk&s=3D8qEoWVnhEGQT-Xvmq5C8eGsH0eQv7zAhXoKmz7eN2Cw&e=3D >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > The Layer 3 Virtual Private Network (VPN) technology described in RFC > 4364 is focused on the scenario in which a network Service Provider > (SP) maintains a secure backbone network and offers VPN service over > that network to its customers. Customers access the SP's network by > attaching "Customer Edge" (CE) routers to "Provider Edge" (PE) > routers, and exchanging cleartext IP packets. PE routers generally > serve multiple customers, and prevent unauthorized communication > among customers. Customer data sent across the backbone (from one PE > to another) is encapsulated in MPLS, using an MPLS label to associate > a given packet with a given customer. The labeled packets are then > sent across the backbone network in the clear, using MPLS transport. > However, many customers want a VPN service that is secure enough to > run over the public Internet, and which does not require them to send > cleartext IP packets to a service provider. Often they want to > connect directly to edge nodes of the public Internet, which does not > provide MPLS support. Each customer may itself have multiple tenants > who are not allowed to intercommunicate with each other freely. In > this case, the customer many need to provide a VPN service for the > tenants. This document describes a way in which this can be achieved > using the technology of RFC 4364. The functionality assigned therein > to a PE router can be placed instead in Customer Premises Equipment. > This functionality can be augmented by transmitting MPLS packets > through IPsec Security Associations. The BGP control plane sessions > can also be protected by IPsec. 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Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:13 AM, wrote: > All, > > > > It is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Montreal. > > > > Please send us your request for a presentation slot, indicating draft > name, speaker, and desired duration (covering presentation and discussion). > If it is not the first presentation of the draft, please give a reason why > it is required to have a new presentation slot. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Stephane & Matthew > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi,

I request 10 minutes to present and= answer questions about
"EVPN Operations, Administration and= Maintenance Requirements and Framework" (draft-salam-bess-evpn-oam-re= q-frmwk) and
"Fault Management for EVPN Networks" draft= -gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd.

Thanks,<= br>Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1= -508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
= =C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:13 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

All,

=C2=A0

It is time we start buildin= g the BESS WG agenda for Montreal.

=C2=A0

Please send us your request= for a presentation slot, indicating draft name, speaker, and desired durat= ion (covering presentation and discussion). If it is not the first presenta= tion of the draft, please give a reason why it is required to have a new presentation slot.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thank you

=C2=A0

Stephane & Matthew

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

____________________________________________________________=
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dG1sPg0K --_000_278DF1C47F1F4FBD8CDF32279F8B5662ciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Jun 19 00:56:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6801D12D7F8; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 00:56:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152939498729.13214.1351264410701412598@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 00:56:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-00.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 07:56:28 -0000 A New 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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : EVPN Virtual Ethernet Segment Authors : Ali Sajassi Patrice Brissette Rick Schell John E Drake Jorge Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-00.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2018-06-18 Abstract: EVPN and PBB-EVPN introduce a family of solutions for multipoint Ethernet services over MPLS/IP network with many advanced capabilities among which their multi-homing capabilities. These solutions define two types of multi-homing for an Ethernet Segment (ES): 1) Single-Active and 2) All-Active, where an Ethernet Segment is defined as a set of links between the multi-homed device/network and the set of PE devices that they are connected to. Some Service Providers want to extend the concept of the physical links in an ES to Ethernet Virtual Circuits (EVCs) where many of such EVCs can be aggregated on a single physical External Network-to- Network Interface (ENNI). An ES that consists of a set of EVCs instead of physical links is referred to as a virtual ES (vES). This draft describes the requirements and the extensions needed to support vES in EVPN and PBB-EVPN. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-virtual-eth-segment-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 19 19:38:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A01130EA1; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:37:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tm5j9VNPWIu2; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19C08130E74; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 0387CF1D5949B; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 03:37:51 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.73) by LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.382.0; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 03:37:52 +0100 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by nkgeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:37:44 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-mvpn-seamless-interop@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-mvpn-seamless-interop-01 Thread-Index: AdQIO/MDkXIidNDXTUyEugTOWCvKbg== Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 02:37:43 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A80D13@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A80D13nkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Comments on draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-mvpn-seamless-interop-01 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 02:37:59 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A80D13nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I have some comments on draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-mvpn-seamless-interop-01: (1) For section 9.2.2 where it stated "The MPLS label in the PMSI Tunne= l Attribute MUST be the Virtual Network Identifier (VNI) associated with th= e customer MVPN.", I think the VNI need not being included in 'MPLS Label' field of PTA, becau= se every IP-VRF has a static configuration of the VNI value. (2) Some terminologies are lacking, for example CO and SPDC. I think th= ey are different things, and authors can make clear about them. (3) Some references are lacking, for example [EVPN-IRB] in section 5, a= nd [EVPN-IRB-MCAST] in section 9. (4) There are two nodes named 'PE3' repeatedly in Figure 1 and Figure 2= . (5) For section 7.1 where it use 'Intra-subnet/Intra-ES', I think the '= Intra-subnet' is confusing and conflicting with general concepts as used in= section 5. Thanks Jingrong --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A80D13nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi folks,

I have some comments on draft-s= ajassi-bess-evpn-mvpn-seamless-interop-01:

(= 1)   =   For section 9.2.2 where= it stated “The MPLS label in the PMSI Tunnel Attribute MUST be the V= irtual Network Identifier (VNI) associated with the customer MVPN.”,

= I think the VNI need not being included in ‘MPLS= Label’ field of PTA, because every IP-VRF has a static configuration= of the VNI value.

(= 2)   =   Some terminologies are = lacking, for example CO and SPDC. I think they are different things, and au= thors can make clear about them.

(= 3)   =   Some references are lac= king, for example [EVPN-IRB] in section 5, and [EVPN-IRB-MCAST] in section = 9.

(= 4)   =   There are two nodes nam= ed ‘PE3’ repeatedly in Figure 1 and Figure 2.=

(= 5)   =   For section 7.1 where i= t use ‘Intra-subnet/Intra-ES’, I think the ‘Intra-subnet&= #8217; is confusing and conflicting with general concepts as used in sectio= n 5.

 

Thanks

Jingrong

 

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charset="UTF-8" Hi Stephane, I would like to request the following slots: Draft: Weighted Multi-Path Procedures for EVPN All-Active Multi-Homing, draft-malhotra-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-02 Time: 10 mins Reason to present: Significant additions to draft scope to include new DF election procedures, WG adoption poll Presenters: Neeraj Malhotra OR Ali Sajassi Draft: Extended Mobility Procedures for EVPN-IRB, draft-malhotra-bess-evpn-irb-extended-mobility-02 Time: 10 mins Reason to present: WG adoption poll Presenters: Neeraj Malhotra OR Ali Sajassi Thanks, Neeraj On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:13 AM, wrote: > All, > > > > It is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Montreal. > > > > Please send us your request for a presentation slot, indicating draft > name, speaker, and desired duration (covering presentation and discussion). > If it is not the first presentation of the draft, please give a reason why > it is required to have a new presentation slot. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Stephane & Matthew > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Stephane,

= I would like to request the following slots:

Draft= : Weighted Multi-Path Procedures for EVPN All-Active Multi-Homing, draft-ma= lhotra-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-02
Time: 10 mins
Reason to = present: Significant additions to draft scope to include new DF election pr= ocedures, WG adoption poll
Presenters: Neeraj Malhotra OR Ali Saj= assi

Draft: Extended Mobility Procedures for = EVPN-IRB, draft-malhotra-bess-evpn-irb-extended-mobility-02
Time:= 10 mins
Reason to present: WG adoption poll
Presenters= : Neeraj Malhotra OR Ali Sajassi

Thanks,
Neeraj





On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at = 3:13 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:=

All,

=C2=A0<= /p>

It is time we start b= uilding the BESS WG agenda for Montreal.

=C2=A0<= /p>

Please send us your r= equest for a presentation slot, indicating draft name, speaker, and desired= duration (covering presentation and discussion). If it is not the first pr= esentation of the draft, please give a reason why it is required to have a new presentation slot.

=C2=A0<= /p>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Thank you

=C2=A0<= /p>

Stephane & Matthe= w

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--000000000000a48142056f406932-- From nobody Mon Jun 25 16:36:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E0E130DFA; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 16:36:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152996981597.6293.9619518390701735104@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 16:36:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-02.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 23:36:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : IGMP and MLD Proxy for EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi Samir Thoria Keyur Patel Derek Yeung John Drake Wen Lin Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-02.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2018-06-25 Abstract: Ethernet Virtual Private Network (EVPN) solution [RFC 7432] is becoming pervasive in data center (DC) applications for Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) and DC interconnect (DCI) services, and in service provider (SP) applications for next generation virtual private LAN services. This draft describes how to support efficiently endpoints running IGMP for the above services over an EVPN network by incorporating IGMP proxy procedures on EVPN PEs. 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In my opinion, this version still has some ambiguities which need to be cle= aned up: 1. In Section 3.1.1, it firstly says:" The SFI Pool Identifier is enco= ded as an 8 octet value as shown in Figure 4." However, it then says in th= e end of this subsection: "The SFI Pool Identifier is a six octet, globally= unique value encoded in network byte order." These two sentences are confu= sing. The 1st occurrence of SFI Pool Identifier shall be fully spelled out as "SF= I Pool Identifier extended community". Furthermore, "SPI Pool Identifier" i= n Figure 4 seems to be "SFI Pool Identifier" as there is no definition for = the former term in the document. There are "SPI Pool Identifier" in other s= ections need to be consistent as well, such as "SPI Pool Identifier" in the= last paragraph of Section 3.2.1.3. 2. The definitions of "Service Function Type" in Figure 3 and Figure 9= are different and ambiguous. Maybe it can be simply defined as "The identi= fier for a type of service function". 3. "SFIR-RD List" in Figure 9 may be replaced with "SFIR-RD/SFI pool I= D list", as SFI pool ID is different from SFIR-RD and the list may consist = of pure SFI pool IDs. One further note is, upon processing this variable, w= e need to distinguish RD Type and SFI Pool Identifier Type, the IANA will n= eed to take care not to allocate 0x80XX for SFIR-RD Type. Some minor editorial comments: 4. "SFRIR-RD list" in Section 4.3 is misspelling. 5. s/a packets/a packet/ 6. s/ach subtended/as subtended/ BTW, I think it is useful to support load balancing SFs across multiple SFF= s as described in Section 5.5 of RFC 7665, this will enable a more flexible= deployment of similar service functions in multiple sites across a network= , such as in 5G transport. In fact, Figure 11 in your draft already demonstrates that SF Type 41 has t= wo instances attached to SFF1 and SFF2 respectively, I think another exampl= e can be added for load balancing across multiple SFFs, such as the followi= ng: ------ | SFIa | |SFT=3D42| ------ ------ ------ | | SFI | | SFI | --------- |SFT=3D41| |SFT=3D42| | SFF5 | ------ ------ ..|192.0.2.5|.. \ / ..: --------- :.. --------- .: :.--------- ------ | SFF1 |--/ --------- | SFF3 | -->|Class-|.......|192.0.2.1|........| SFF6 |....|192.0.2.3|--> -->| ifier| --------- |192.0.2.6| :--------- ------ --------- | | ------ ------ | SFI | | SFIb | |SFT=3D43| |SFT=3D42| ------ ------ My 2 cents, B.R, Yuanlong --_000_3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68BBC0EB533dggeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Adrian and co-authors,

 

I had a review of draft-ietf= -bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-03, thank you for this useful document and hope= it can progress quickly.

In my opinion, this version = still has some ambiguities which need to be cleaned up:

1.    &n= bsp; In Section 3.1.1, it firstly says:” T= he SFI Pool Identifier is encoded as an 8 octet value as shown in Figure 4.= &= #8221;  However, it then says in the end of this subsection: “The SFI Pool Identifier is a six octet, globally unique value = encoded in network byte order.” These two sentences are confusing.

The 1st occurrence of SFI Po= ol Identifier shall be fully spelled out as &= #8220;SFI Pool Identifier extended communityR= 21;. Furthermore, &= #8220;SPI Pool Identifier” in Figure 4 seems to be &= #8220;SFI Pool Identifier” as there is no definition for the former term in the document. There are “SPI Pool Identifier” in other sections need to be consistent as well, su= ch as “SPI Pool Identifier” in the last paragraph of Section 3.2.1.3.

2.    &n= bsp; The definitions of “Service Function = Type” in Figure 3 and Figure 9 are different and ambiguous. Maybe it can be simp= ly defined as &= #8220;The identifier for a type of service func= tion”.

3.    &n= bsp; “SFIR-RD List” in Figure 9 may be replaced with “SFIR-RD/SFI pool ID list= 221;, as SFI pool ID is different from SFIR-RD = and the list may consist of pure SFI pool IDs. One further note is, upon proce= ssing this variable, we need to distinguish RD Type and SFI Pool Identifier= Type, the IANA will need to take care not to allocate 0x80XX for SFIR-RD T= ype. 

 

Some minor editorial comment= s:

4.    &n= bsp; “SFRIR-RD list” in Section 4.3 is misspelling.

5.    &n= bsp; s/a packets/a packet/

6.    &n= bsp; s/ach subtended/as subtended/

 

BTW, I think it is useful to= support load balancing SFs across multiple SFFs as described in Section 5.= 5 of RFC 7665, this will enable a more flexible deployment of similar servi= ce functions in multiple sites across a network, such as in 5G transport.

In fact, Figure 11 in your d= raft already demonstrates that SF Type 41 has two instances attached to SFF= 1 and SFF2 respectively, I think another example can be added for load bala= ncing across multiple SFFs, such as the following:

            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;       ------

            &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;     | SFIa |

            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      |SFT=3D42|

            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;       ------

            &n= bsp;     ------      ------&nb= sp;          |

            &n= bsp;    | SFI  |    | SFI  | &= nbsp;    ---------

             &= nbsp;   |SFT=3D41|    |SFT=3D42|  &= nbsp;  |   SFF5  |

            &n= bsp;     ------      ------&nb= sp;   ..|192.0.2.5|..

            &n= bsp;          \  &nb= sp; /         ..:  ---------&n= bsp; :..

            &n= bsp;         ---------  &= nbsp;  .:          &= nbsp;      :.---------

       ------     &= nbsp;  |   SFF1  |--/      ---= ------     |   SFF3  |=

   -->|Class-|.......|192.0.2.1|........|   SFF6&nb= sp; |....|192.0.2.3|-->

   -->| ifier|        ----= -----         |192.0.2.6| &nbs= p;  :---------

       ------     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            ------= ---          |

            &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        |   &nb= sp;        ------

            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;       ------    &nbs= p;   | SFI  |

            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      | SFIb |     &n= bsp; |SFT=3D43|

            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      |SFT=3D42|     =    ------

             &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;      ------  

 

My 2 cents,

B.R,

Yuanlong

 

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X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, bess@ietf.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180627053627.68605B81236@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [bess] =?utf-8?q?RFC_8395_on_Extensions_to_BGP-Signaled_Pseudowi?= =?utf-8?q?res_to_Support_Flow-Aware_Transport_Labels?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 05:36:38 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8395 Title: Extensions to BGP-Signaled Pseudowires to Support Flow-Aware Transport Labels Author: K. Patel, S. Boutros, J. Liste, B. Wen, J. Rabadan Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2018 Mailbox: keyur@arrcus.com, sboutros@vmware.com, jliste@cisco.com, bin_wen@cable.comcast.com, jorge.rabadan@nokia.com Pages: 10 Characters: 17404 Updates: RFC 4761 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-04.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8395 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8395 This document defines protocol extensions required to synchronize flow label states among Provider Edges (PEs) when using the BGP-based signaling procedures. These protocol extensions are equally applicable to point-to-point Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks (L2VPNs). This document updates RFC 4761 by defining new flags in the Control Flags field of the Layer2 Info Extended Community. This document is a product of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Wed Jun 27 06:17:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D692130DD5; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153010542444.15378.4230205669409161721@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 06:17:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bum-procedure-updates-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 13:17:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Updates on EVPN BUM Procedures Authors : Zhaohui Zhang Wen Lin Jorge Rabadan Keyur Patel Ali Sajassi Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bum-procedure-updates-04.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2018-06-27 Abstract: This document specifies procedure updates for broadcast, unknown unicast, and multicast (BUM) traffic in Ethernet VPNs (EVPN), including selective multicast, and provider tunnel segmentation. 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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7432#section-7.6 Would like to understand how ES-import RT should behave in case of 1. ESI type 1 - statically configured In this case on what basis one should import the ESI route as ES-import RT does not talk about ESI type 1. Why this should not follow the same semantics of creating ES-import RT as done for ESI Type 2; with the 6 high-order octates? If same ESI is configured in different VTEPS then it would still work. This question comes because manually configuring the manual RT is tough to meet multiple combinations of multihomed sites. 2. ESI type 3 - MAC based ESI of the PE If MAC of the PE is considered then how different PE's can produce the same unique ESI? instead it should have used CE's MAC address? Since last/hig-order 6 octets are used for import how RT-import works? Let me know if I am missing something. Please refer me to any other drafts which are trying to address this; I can discuss over there and be part of that. Thanks in advance. 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Hi All,

Related sectio= ns are:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7432#section-5
=

Would like to understand how ES-import RT should behave= in case of=C2=A0

1. ESI type 1 - statically confi= gured=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 In this case on what basis one should i= mport the ESI route as ES-import RT does not talk about ESI type 1. Why thi= s should not follow the same semantics of creating ES-import RT as done for= ESI Type 2; with the 6 high-order octates? If same ESI is configured in di= fferent VTEPS then it would still work.
This question comes becau= se manually configuring the manual RT is tough to meet multiple combination= s of multihomed sites.

2. ESI type 3 - MAC based E= SI of the PE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If MAC of the PE is considered then ho= w different PE's can produce the same unique ESI? instead it should hav= e used CE's MAC address?=C2=A0
Since last/hig-order 6 octets = are used for import how RT-import works?=C2=A0

Let= me know if I am missing something.

Please refer m= e to any other drafts which are trying to address this; I can discuss over = there and be part of that.

Thanks in advance.<= br>

Regards,
Prasanna


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