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Dear Wen Lin, Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang, John Drake, Eric C. Rosen, Jorge Rabadan, Ali Sajassi:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "EVPN
Optimized Inter-Subnet Multicast (OISM) Forwarding"
(draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 
and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights
Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3245/). The title of the IPR
disclosure is "Juniper's Statement about IPR related to
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast"


Thank you

IETF Secretariat


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Hi all,

I have looked up the IPR Disclosure Statement (pure curiosity) and it look=
s a bit strange to me.

In particular, a search for the US Patent  4675202 yields a patent for egg=
 yolk processing<https://patents.google.com/patent/US4675202> that is owne=
d by NESTEC (with priority from 1984).



At the same time, a search<http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=
=3DPTO2&Sect2=3DHITOFF&p=3D1&u=3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=3D=
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1=3DAND&TERM2=3D&FIELD2=3D&d=3DPTXT> for "EVPN INTER-SUBNET MULTICAST FORW=
ARDING" in the US Patent Office database did not yield any results at all.=




My 2c,

Sasha



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Dear Wen Lin, Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang, John Drake, Eric C. Rosen, Jorge Ra=
badan, Ali Sajassi:





An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "EVPN Opti=
mized Inter-Subnet Multicast (OISM) Forwarding"

(draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on =
and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disc=
losures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3245/). The title of the IPR di=
sclosure is "Juniper's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-bess-evpn=
-irb-mcast"





Thank you



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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I have looked up the IPR Disclosure Statement (p=
ure curiosity) and it looks a bit strange to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">In particular, a search for the US Patent &nbsp;=
4675202 yields a
<a href=3D"https://patents.google.com/patent/US4675202">patent for egg yol=
k processing</a> that is owned by NESTEC (with priority from 1984).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">At the same time, a <a href=3D"http://patft.uspt=
o.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=3DPTO2&amp;Sect2=3DHITOFF&amp;p=3D1&amp;u=3D=
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 Serif&quot;;color:#222222">EVPN INTER-SUBNET MULTICAST FORWARDING</span>&=
#8221; in the US Patent Office database did not yield any results at all.<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">My 2c,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sasha<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Office:=20&#43;972-39266302<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Email:&nbsp;&nbsp; Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat<br=
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Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 6:30 PM<br>
To: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast@ietf.org<br>
Cc: bess@ietf.org; ipr-announce@ietf.org<br>
Subject: [bess] IPR Disclosure Juniper's Statement about IPR related to dr=
aft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Dear Wen Lin, Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang, John Drak=
e, Eric C. Rosen, Jorge Rabadan, Ali Sajassi:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet=
-Draft entitled &quot;EVPN Optimized Inter-Subnet Multicast (OISM) Forward=
ing&quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">(draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast) was submitted t=
o the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the &quot;IETF Page of In=
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er.ietf.org/ipr/3245/"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:non=
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 The title of the IPR disclosure is &quot;Juniper's Statement about IPR re=
lated to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast&quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thank you<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi WG,

This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-=
sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis=
t, stating whether or not you support adoption.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re=
spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva=
nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr=
ess without answers from all the authors and contributors.

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly=
 respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i=
n conformance with IETF rules.

The poll for working group adoption closes on Wed 22th Aug.

Regards,
St=E9phane and Matthew

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Please re=
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p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">The poll =
for working group adoption closes on Wed 22<sup>th</sup> Aug. &nbsp;<o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">St=E9phan=
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-=
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This poll runs until *the 22th of August*.





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Support.  I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR.

Yours Irrespectively,

John

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c=
om
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:38 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-p=
er-mcast-flow-df-election

Hi WG,

This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-=
sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis=
t, stating whether or not you support adoption.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re=
spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva=
nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr=
ess without answers from all the authors and contributors.

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly=
 respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i=
n conformance with IETF rules.

The poll for working group adoption closes on Wed 22th Aug.

Regards,
St=E9phane and Matthew

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Yours Irrespectively,<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BESS &lt;bess-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>
stephane.litkowski@orange.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bess@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-sajassi-bess=
-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">This emai=
l begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-sajassi-b=
ess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Please re=
view the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, statin=
g whether or not you support adoption.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">We are al=
so polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Docume=
nt, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=
 (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
 more details).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you ar=
e listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to =
this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisc=
losed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list.
 The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contr=
ibutors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you ar=
e not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond =
only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conform=
ance with IETF rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">The poll =
for working group adoption closes on Wed 22<sup>th</sup> Aug. &nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Regards,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">St=E9phan=
e and Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">[1] <a href=3D"https://urldefen=
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-=
election/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Support.  I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR.

Yours Irrespectively,

John

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c=
om
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:04 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] new WGLC for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-0=
5


Hello working group,



This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evp=
n-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 [1].



A significant amount of update has been introduced since the previous WGLC.=
 Please review the updates and provide your feedback.



This poll runs until *the 22th of August*.





Thank you



St=E9phane, Matthew

bess chairs



[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forw=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BESS &lt;bess-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>
stephane.litkowski@orange.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bess@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bess] new WGLC for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwa=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Hello working group,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">This email starts a two-week Working Group Last C=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">A significant amount of update has been introduce=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">This poll runs until *the 22th of August*.<o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thank you<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">St=E9phane, Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">bess chairs<o:p></o:p></p>
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The BESS WG has placed draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election in
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Support.

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> On Aug 8, 2018, at 7:42 PM, John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:
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> Support.  I=E2=80=99m not aware of any undisclosed IPR.
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> Yours Irrespectively,
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> John
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> From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.=
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:38 AM
> To: bess@ietf.org
> Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-=
per-mcast-flow-df-election
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> Hi WG,
> =20
> This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft=
-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]
> =20
> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group li=
st, stating whether or not you support adoption.
> =20
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t=
his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I=
PR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please r=
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> If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitl=
y respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i=
n conformance with IETF rules.
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> The poll for working group adoption closes on Wed 22th Aug. =20
> =20
> Regards,
> St=C3=A9phane and Matthew
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flo=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Support.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99=
m not aware of any undisclosed IPR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Yours Irrespectively,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces@=
ietf.org">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>
<a href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com">stephane.litkowski@orange.c=
om</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-sajassi-bess-=
evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election<o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">This email=
 begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-sajassi-bes=
s-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Please rev=
iew the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, stating w=
hether or not you support adoption.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">We are als=
o polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document=
, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (s=
ee RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
 more details).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you are=
 listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to th=
is email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclos=
ed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list.
 The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contri=
butors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you are=
 not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond on=
ly if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformanc=
e with IETF rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">The poll f=
or working group adoption closes on Wed 22<sup>th</sup> Aug. &nbsp;<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Regards,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">St=C3=A9ph=
ane and Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">[1] <a href=3D"https://urldefens=
e.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dsajas=
si-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dper-2Dmcast-2Dflow-2Ddf-2Delection_&amp;d=3DDwMFAw&amp;c=3D=
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-e=
lection/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Jeff
>> From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange=
.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:38 AM
>> To: bess@ietf.org
>> Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-sajassi-bess-evpn=
-per-mcast-flow-df-election
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>> Hi WG,
>> =20
>> This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draf=
t-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]
>> =20
>> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group l=
ist, stating whether or not you support adoption.
>> =20
>> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t=
his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I=
PR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please r=
espond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva=
nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progre=
ss without answers from all the authors and contributors.
>> =20
>> If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicit=
ly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i=
n conformance with IETF rules.
>> =20
>> The poll for working group adoption closes on Wed 22th Aug. =20
>> =20
>> Regards,
>> St=C3=A9phane and Matthew
>> =20
>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-fl=
ow-df-election/
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yes/support&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Jeff<b=
r><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"Wor=
dSection1">
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in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces@=
ietf.org">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>
<a href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com">stephane.litkowski@orange.c=
om</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-sajassi-bess-=
evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">This email=
 begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-sajassi-bes=
s-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Please rev=
iew the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, stating w=
hether or not you support adoption.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">We are als=
o polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document=
, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (s=
ee RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
 more details).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you are=
 listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to th=
is email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclos=
ed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list.
 The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contri=
butors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you are=
 not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond on=
ly if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformanc=
e with IETF rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">The poll f=
or working group adoption closes on Wed 22<sup>th</sup> Aug. &nbsp;<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Regards,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">St=C3=A9ph=
ane and Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">[1] <a href=3D"https://urldefens=
e.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dsajas=
si-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dper-2Dmcast-2Dflow-2Ddf-2Delection_&amp;d=3DDwMFAw&amp;c=3D=
HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&amp;r=3DCRB2tJiQePk0cT-h5LGhEWH-=
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s=3DecgmN3DXRB8VVY2yVU2kb0WIPAn0YmLM4isk5SEU9qE&amp;e=3D">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-e=
lection/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<pre>Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme=
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Hello working group,


I have two comments regarding section 3.1.


* Section 3.1. refers only to =E2=80=9CARP=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CARP =
reply=E2=80=9D. Given the fact, it is applicable to IPv6 as well, it =
should refer to ND NS/NA messages as well, I believe.


* In the last paragraph of Section 3.1:

>  Irrespective of using only the anycast address or both anycast and
   non-anycast addresses on the same IRB, when a TS sends an ARP request
   to the PE that is attached to, the ARP request is sent for the
   anycast IP address of the IRB interface associated with the TS's
   subnet.
If both anycast and non-anycast addresses are on the IRB, it is =
legitimate that TS sends NS/ARP request to resolve either anycast (e.g. =
to resolve IP address of default gateway configured on TS), or to =
resolve non-anycast (e.g. ping towards non-anycast address was initiated =
on TS). Therefore, presuming that TS sends ARP request to resolve only =
anycast IP is not fully correct, I believe. Thus, wording of this =
paragraph should cover two cases (NS/ARP request to resolve anycast, and =
NS/ARP request to resolve non-anycast IP).

>> the PE1 sends an ARP reply with the MACx which is the anycast
   MAC address of that IRB interface.
NA/ARP reply has multiple MAC related fields:

* Destination MAC (in Ethernet header)
* Source MAC (in Ethernet header)
* Sender hardware address (in the payload)
* Target hardware address (in the payload)

It is not ultimately clear from the text, if 'Source MAC (in Ethernet =
header)=E2=80=99 or 'Sender hardware address (in the payload)=E2=80=99, =
or both, should be populated with MACx. As I see it, in case of both =
anycast and non-anycast address is used on IRB, the behavior should be:

* TS sends and NS/ARP request for the anycast address:
   -> PE sends and NA/ARP reply with anycast MAC in both 'Source MAC (in =
Ethernet header)=E2=80=99 and 'Sender hardware address (in the =
payload)=E2=80=99 fields

* TS sends and NS/ARP request for the non-anycast address:
   -> PE sends and NA/ARP reply with non-anycast MAC in both 'Source MAC =
(in Ethernet header)=E2=80=99 and 'Sender hardware address (in the =
payload)=E2=80=99 fields

Otherwise, if only 'Sender hardware address (in the payload)=E2=80=99 is =
populated with anycast/non-anycast MAC (depending, which IP address is =
being resolved), and 'Source MAC (in Ethernet header)=E2=80=99  is =
always populated with no-anycast MAC (in implementations mimicking RFC =
5798, Section 8.1.2/8.2.2/8.2.3 behavior, which explicitly disables =
usage of V-MAC in the 'Source MAC (in Ethernet header)=E2=80=99), the L2 =
domain (L2 switches) between PE and CE will not learn anycast MAC, thus =
resulting in unknown unicast flooding being used on these switches to =
reach anycast MAC. This is undesirable behavior and should be avoided.=20=



Thanks,
Krzysztof


> On 2018-Aug-08, at 16:03, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:
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class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hello working =
group,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have two comments regarding section =
3.1.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">* Section 3.1. refers only to =E2=80=9CAR=
P=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CARP reply=E2=80=9D. Given the fact, it is =
applicable to IPv6 as well, it should refer to ND NS/NA messages as =
well, I believe.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">* In the last paragraph =
of Section 3.1:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><pre class=3D"newpage" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; =
overflow: auto; font-family: 'PT Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: =
10.5pt; padding: 0px 0px 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
line-height: 1.12; word-break: break-all; word-wrap: break-word; =
background-color: white; border: 0px; border-top-left-radius: 4px; =
border-top-right-radius: 4px; border-bottom-right-radius: 4px; =
border-bottom-left-radius: 4px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: =
2; widows: 2;">&gt;  Irrespective of using only the anycast address or =
both anycast and
   non-anycast addresses on the same IRB, when a TS sends an ARP request
   to the PE that is attached to, the ARP request is sent for the
   anycast IP address of the IRB interface associated with the TS's
   subnet.</pre><div class=3D"">If both anycast and non-anycast =
addresses are on the IRB, it is legitimate that TS sends NS/ARP request =
to resolve either anycast (e.g. to resolve IP address of default gateway =
configured on TS), or to resolve non-anycast (e.g. ping towards =
non-anycast address was initiated on TS). Therefore, presuming that TS =
sends ARP request to resolve only anycast IP is not fully correct, I =
believe. Thus, wording of this paragraph should cover two cases (NS/ARP =
request to resolve anycast, and NS/ARP request to resolve non-anycast =
IP).</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><pre =
class=3D"newpage" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; overflow: auto; =
font-family: 'PT Mono', Monaco, monospace; font-size: 10.5pt; padding: =
0px 0px 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 1.12; =
word-break: break-all; word-wrap: break-word; background-color: white; =
border: 0px; border-top-left-radius: 4px; border-top-right-radius: 4px; =
border-bottom-right-radius: 4px; border-bottom-left-radius: 4px; =
font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;">&gt;&gt; the PE1 =
sends an ARP reply with the MACx which is the anycast
   MAC address of that IRB interface.</pre><div class=3D"">NA/ARP reply =
has multiple MAC related fields:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">* Destination MAC (in Ethernet =
header)</div><div class=3D"">* Source MAC (in Ethernet header)</div><div =
class=3D"">*&nbsp;Sender hardware address (in the payload)</div><div =
class=3D"">*&nbsp;Target hardware address (in the payload)</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It is not ultimately =
clear from the text, if 'Source MAC (in Ethernet header)=E2=80=99 or =
'Sender hardware address (in the payload)=E2=80=99, or both, should be =
populated with MACx. As I see it, in case of both anycast and =
non-anycast address is used on IRB, the behavior should be:</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">* TS sends and NS/ARP =
request for the anycast address:</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;-&gt; =
PE sends and NA/ARP reply with anycast MAC in both 'Source MAC (in =
Ethernet header)=E2=80=99 and 'Sender hardware address (in the =
payload)=E2=80=99 fields</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">* TS sends and =
NS/ARP request for the non-anycast address:</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;-&gt; PE sends and NA/ARP reply with non-anycast MAC in both =
'Source MAC (in Ethernet header)=E2=80=99 and 'Sender hardware address =
(in the payload)=E2=80=99 fields</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"">Otherwise, if only 'Sender =
hardware address (in the payload)=E2=80=99 is populated with =
anycast/non-anycast MAC (depending, which IP address is being resolved), =
and 'Source MAC (in Ethernet header)=E2=80=99 &nbsp;is always populated =
with no-anycast MAC (in implementations mimicking RFC 5798, Section =
8.1.2/8.2.2/8.2.3 behavior, which explicitly disables usage of V-MAC in =
the 'Source MAC (in Ethernet header)=E2=80=99), the L2 domain (L2 =
switches) between PE and CE will not learn anycast MAC, thus resulting =
in unknown unicast flooding being used on these switches to reach =
anycast MAC. This is undesirable behavior and should be =
avoided.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D"">Krzysztof</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
2018-Aug-08, at 16:03, <a href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com" =
class=3D"">stephane.litkowski@orange.com</a> wrote:</div><br =
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class=3D"">Hello working group,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">This email starts a two-week Working =
Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 =
[1].<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">A =
significant amount of update has been introduced since the previous =
WGLC. Please review the updates and provide your feedback.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">This poll =
runs until *the 22th of August*.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thank you<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div=
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
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0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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class=3D"">[1]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
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Dear Ali Sajassi, mankamana prasad mishra, Samir Thoria, Jorge Rabadan, John Drake:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Per
multicast flow Designated Forwarder Election for EVPN"
(draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election) was submitted to the
IETF Secretariat on  and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual
Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3247/). The
title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco's Statement about IPR related to
draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election"


Thank you

IETF Secretariat


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Dear Ali Sajassi, mankamana prasad mishra, Samir Thoria, Jorge Rabadan, John Drake:


An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Per
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP/MPLS Layer 3 VPN Multicast Management Information Base
        Author          : Hiroshi Tsunoda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-09.txt
	Pages           : 56
	Date            : 2018-08-09

Abstract:
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
   monitor Multicast communication over IP Virtual Private Networks
   (VPNs) supported by MultiProtocol Label Switching/Border Gateway
   Protcol (MPLS/BGP) on a Provider Edge router.


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Hi,

I support.

Thanks,
Neeraj

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : L2L3 VPN Multicast MIB
        Authors         : Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang
                          Hiroshi Tsunoda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-15.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2018-08-10

Abstract:
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes two MIB modules which will be used by
   other MIB modules for monitoring and/or configuring Layer 2 and Layer
   3 Virtual Private Networks that support multicast.


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        Title           : BGP/MPLS Layer 3 VPN Multicast Management Information Base
        Author          : Hiroshi Tsunoda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-10.txt
	Pages           : 56
	Date            : 2018-08-10

Abstract:
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
   monitor Multicast communication over IP Virtual Private Networks
   (VPNs) supported by MultiProtocol Label Switching/Border Gateway
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Dear authors of draft-ietf-bess-yang,
I have several questions regarding representation of Ethernet Segment Iden=
tifier (ESI) in the -05 version of the draft.

1.       In the Ethernet Segment container the draft defines ethernet-segm=
ent-identifier as uint32. I do not understand how this can be mapped to th=
e definition (in RFC 7432<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7432>, Section 5)=
 of ESI "encoded as a 10-octet integer" where the 1st octet acts as the ES=
I Type defining how the remaining 9 octets are used.

2.       The same module also states that access ethernet-segment-identifi=
er to  is read-write. This seems to assume a configurable attribute. Howev=
er, RFC 7432, Section 5, defines that ESI can be auto-sensed by the attach=
ed PE from some protocols (e.g., from LACP or MSTP/RSTP).  Can you please =
clarify how the decision to use auto-sensed ESI for a specific segment (an=
d which protocol to use for auto-sensing) can be expressed using the draft=
?

3.       In some cases the ESI is supposed to include a 6-octet MAC addres=
s (specifically, for ESI types 1, 2 and 3), and this is used in RFC 7432, =
Section 7.6, for auto-derivation of the ES-Import RT from the ESI for thes=
e ESI types. Can you please clarify how, if at all, this can be expressed =
using the draft?

Your feedback would be highly appreciated.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear authors of draft-ietf-bess-yang,<o:p></o:p></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have several questions regarding representation o=
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p;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>In the Ethernet Segment c=
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">ethernet-segment-id=
entifier</span></b> as
<b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">uint32</span></b>. =
I do not understand how this can be mapped to the definition (in
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7432">RFC 7432</a>, Section 5) o=
f ESI &#8220;<b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">encode=
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cts as the ESI Type defining how the remaining 9 octets are used.<o:p></o:=
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p;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>The same module also stat=
es that access
<b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">ethernet-segment-id=
entifier</span></b> to &nbsp;is read-write. This seems to assume a configu=
rable attribute. However, RFC 7432, Section 5, defines that ESI can be aut=
o-sensed by the attached PE from some protocols (e.g.,
 from LACP or MSTP/RSTP). &nbsp;Can you please clarify how the decision to=
 use auto-sensed ESI for a specific segment (and which protocol to use for=
 auto-sensing) can be expressed using the draft?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 lev=
el1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.<span sty=
le=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>In some cases the ESI is =
supposed to include a 6-octet MAC address (specifically, for ESI types 1, =
2 and 3), and this is used in RFC 7432, Section 7.6, for auto-derivation o=
f the ES-Import RT from the ESI for these
 ESI types. Can you please clarify how, if at all, this can be expressed u=
sing the draft?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your feedback would be highly appreciated.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sasha<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Office: &#43;972-39266302<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;972-549266=
302<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email:&nbsp;&nbsp; Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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I support WG adoption.

Thanks ,
Selvam

On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 06:38, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

> Hi WG,
>
>
>
> This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of
> draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]
>
>
>
> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group
> list, stating whether or not you support adoption.
>
>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
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> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please
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> disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
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>
>
> The poll for working group adoption closes on Wed 22th Aug.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> St=C3=A9phane and Matthew
>
>
>
> [1]
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-d=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I support WG adoption.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Thanks ,=
=C2=A0</div><div>Selvam=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 06:38, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephane.l=
itkowski@orange.com">stephane.litkowski@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_1440442410258028491WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">This emai=
l begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-sajassi-b=
ess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Please re=
view the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, statin=
g whether or not you support adoption.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">We are al=
so polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Docume=
nt, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=
 (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
 more details).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you ar=
e listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to =
this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisc=
losed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list.
 The document won&#39;t progress without answers from all the authors and c=
ontributors.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you ar=
e not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond =
only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conform=
ance with IETF rules.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">The poll =
for working group adoption closes on Wed 22<sup>th</sup> Aug. =C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Regards,<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">St=C3=A9p=
hane and Matthew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">[1] <a href=3D"https://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-=
election/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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Hey Jeffrey,

Thanks for your comments & please find my responses inline *<AG>* .

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net
> wrote:

> Hi Ali,
>
> Here are the comments that I did not get a chance for in the meeting today.
>
> Regarding "ttl decrement" and "src mac change":
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Since "bridging/switching in the same BD" is not put down as a requirement
> in the spec but rather discounted citing "emulation", the listed
> "requirements" should be changed to "properties" as well - one could also
> argue that those may not be true requirements and could also discounted.


*<AG>* s*eamless-Interop* solution supports both intra-subnet and
inter-subnet forwarding which are the basic requirement along with
Efficient fabric utilization and Operational simplicity. More specifically,
having many discussions with customers we didn't come across any use-case
where strict intra-subnet bridging was needed along with inter-subnet
routing, so we can argue that "strict bridging/switching in the same BD" is
just an idealistic requirement.

>
>
Even if RFC7432 does not prove true ethernet service, "ttl decrement" and
> "src mac change" for intra-subnet traffic does NOT happen with RFC7432. In
> other words, this is a step-down from RFC7432.
>

*<AG>* It is not a step down since we are not losing any needed
functionality. Again, *seamless-interop* solution utilizes existing and
well deployed technology (MVPN) instead of re-defining all the constructs
of MVPN into EVPN. *evpn-irb-multicast* draft takes later approach and
achieves in-signification functionality gain at the expense of huge
overhead in control-plane (Explained on a separate thread). From our
customer interactions, we understand that Multicast is a complex technology
to deploy, operate and troubleshoot. So any amount of simplification
results in Opex reduction. Additionally, re-use of existing MVPN
implementation for additional EVPN use-cases results in quick
time-to-market with lower investment.

About the comment "MVPN also decrements ttl and change src mac address" -
> that's expected behavior because it is routing between subnets not "intra
> subnet", and no application that uses MVPN service has assumption on
> constant TTL and src mac.
>
> More regarding the "requirements" (or "properties")
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> With the other solution (evpn-irb-multicast, aka OISM), if every EVPN PE
> runs the MEG procedures then the same set of "requirements" is also
> achieved - it is also "seamless interop" but based on the OISM procedures,
> but that does not "translate into this method" (as defined in the *seamless-interop
> *draft) (I think that's what you mentioned when addressing Jorge's
> comment). What's more, it does not have the "ttl decrementing" and "src mac
> change" issue for intra subnet traffic.
>
> *<AG> *The point was made that once multicast traffic reaches MVPN
domain, it doesn't belong to any specific BD and hence intra-subnet and
inter-subnet receivers are treated similarly. Even with *evpn-irb-multicast*
solution, it would be the same unless a second copy of traffic is send over
BD specific tunnel.

Regarding "9.  DCs with only EVPN PEs"

----------------------------------------------------
>
> For comparison, the OISM method does not need any provisioning/procedures
> related to RP and registering. That is a significant simplification that an
> EVPN-only operator should be aware of.
>
> *<AG> * Same functionality is achieved in *s**eamless-Interop* by
utilizing SPT-only mode of MVPN in which shared multicast trees are not
formed in the core.

Thanks.
> Jeffrey
>
>
> Regards,
Ashutosh


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initi=
al;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Hey Jeffrey,=C2=
=A0</span><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-=
decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-deco=
ration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Thanks for your comment=
s &amp; please find my responses inline<span>=C2=A0</span><b>&lt;AG&gt;</b>=
<span>=C2=A0</span>.=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decorati=
on-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra" style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decor=
ation-color:initial"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:5=
3 AM, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang<span>=C2=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_=
blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;</span><span>=C2=A0</span>wro<wbr>te:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Ali,<br><br>Here are th=
e comments that I did not get a chance for in the meeting today.<br><br>Reg=
arding &quot;ttl decrement&quot; and &quot;src mac change&quot;:<br>-------=
-----------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------<br><b=
r>Since &quot;bridging/switching in the same BD&quot; is not put down as a =
requirement in the spec but rather discounted citing &quot;emulation&quot;,=
 the listed &quot;requirements&quot; should be changed to &quot;properties&=
quot; as well - one could also argue that those may not be true requirement=
s and could also discounted.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>&lt;AG&gt;<=
/b><span>=C2=A0s</span><i>eamless-Interop</i> solution supports both intra-=
subnet and inter-subnet forwarding which are the basic requirement along wi=
th Efficient fabric utilization and Operational simplicity. More specifical=
ly, having many discussions with customers we didn&#39;t come across any us=
e-case where strict intra-subnet bridging was needed along with inter-subne=
t routing, so we can argue that=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:small;backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-co=
lor:initial;float:none;display:inline">&quot;strict bridging/switching in t=
he same BD&quot;</span><span>=C2=A0</span>is just an idealistic requirement=
.=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0<br></=
blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Even if RFC743=
2 does not prove true ethernet service, &quot;ttl decrement&quot; and &quot=
;src mac change&quot; for intra-subnet traffic does NOT happen with RFC7432=
. In other words, this is a step-down from RFC7432.<br></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div><b>&lt;AG&gt;</b>=C2=A0It is not a step down since we are not =
losing any needed functionality. Again, <i>seamless-interop</i> solution ut=
ilizes existing and well deployed technology (MVPN) instead of re-defining =
all the constructs of MVPN into EVPN.=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:small;b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorat=
ion-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><i>evpn-irb-multicast</i> draf=
t takes=C2=A0</span>later approach and achieves in-signification functional=
ity gain at the expense of huge overhead in control-plane (Explained on a s=
eparate thread). From our customer interactions, we understand that Multica=
st is a complex technology to deploy, operate and troubleshoot. So any amou=
nt of simplification results in Opex reduction. Additionally, re-use of exi=
sting MVPN implementation for additional EVPN use-cases results in quick ti=
me-to-market with lower investment.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">About the comment &quot;MVPN also decremen=
ts ttl and change src mac address&quot; - that&#39;s expected behavior beca=
use it is routing between subnets not &quot;intra subnet&quot;, and no appl=
ication that uses MVPN service has assumption on constant TTL and src mac.<=
br><br>More regarding the &quot;requirements&quot; (or &quot;properties&quo=
t;)<br>------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wb=
r>-----------<br><br>With the other solution (evpn-irb-multicast, aka OISM)=
, if every EVPN PE runs the MEG procedures then the same set of &quot;requi=
rements&quot; is also achieved - it is also &quot;seamless interop&quot; bu=
t based on the OISM procedures, but that does not &quot;translate into this=
 method&quot; (as defined in the <i>seamless-interop </i>draft) (I think th=
at&#39;s what you mentioned when addressing Jorge&#39;s comment). What&#39;=
s more, it does not have the &quot;ttl decrementing&quot; and &quot;src mac=
 change&quot; issue for intra subnet traffic.<br><br></blockquote><div><b>&=
lt;AG&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span></b>The point was made that once multicast traf=
fic reaches MVPN domain, it doesn&#39;t belong to any specific BD and hence=
 intra-subnet and inter-subnet receivers are treated similarly. Even with <=
i>evpn-irb-multicast</i> solution, it would be the same unless a second cop=
y of traffic is send over BD specific tunnel.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Regarding &quot;9.=C2=A0 DCs=
 with only EVPN PEs&quot;=C2=A0</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex">------------------------------<wbr>---------------------=
-<br><br>For comparison, the OISM method does not need any provisioning/pro=
cedures related to RP and registering. That is a significant simplification=
 that an EVPN-only operator should be aware of.<br><br></blockquote><div><b=
>&lt;AG&gt;=C2=A0</b>=C2=A0Same functionality is achieved in <i>s</i><span =
style=3D"font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-=
style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><i>e=
amless-Interop</i> by utilizing SPT-only mode of MVPN in which shared multi=
cast trees are not formed in the core.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-=
style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>=
</span></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks.<br>J=
effrey<br><br><br></blockquote><div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-deco=
ration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Regards,</div><div styl=
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Hi Folks,

I have following comments on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast. I also compare
it to draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-mvpn-seamless-interop, which utilizes
existing MVPN technology to achieve mcast-irb functionality in EVPN.


*1. Re-branding MVPN constructs into EVPN *
*evpn-irb* draft proposes a lot of MVPN constructs into EVPN.
Originating multicast
receiver interest "per PE"  instead of "per BD", use of selective tunnels
are few examples. If solution really is achievable through MVPN, why do we
need to re-brand it in EVPN?


*2. Scale of BGP routes*
*evpn-irb* solution mandates a PE to process and store all IMET NLRI's from
all peer PE's in tenant domain (as opposed to processing and storing only
NLRI's for BD's it has locally present). This is proposed because multicast
traffic could be originating from any PE in any BD. To put this in
perspective, lets take an example of a tenant domain with 101 PE's with
each PE having 1000 BD's. Each PE has at most 10 BD's common with any other
PE in network. In this case PE1 will have to process and store, 100 (remote
PE's) x 1000 (BD's per PE) x 1 (IMET per BD) = 0.1 Million IMET routes.
Essentially, it is of order *"Num of BD's" x "Num of PE's"*.

Whereas for *seamless-interop* solution, a PE would need to process and
store 100 I-PMSI (IMET equivalent in MVPN) routes, means one route from
each peer PE. . This is of order *"num of PE's".* It should be noted that
VxLAN supports and max of ~16 million BD's thus *evpn-irb* solution results
in huge overhead per PE if compared with *seamless-interop*.


*3. Control plane scale in fabric / core *
Also each PE one additional Tunnel per BD apart from existing BUM tunnel.
Essentially one tunnel for B+U and another for M. This is proposed to avoid
all B+U traffic in the BD1, indiscriminately reaching all PE's in domain,
irrespective of whether they have BD1 configured locally or not. This
increases the state in fabric by *"num of PE" x "num of BD"*. In above
example it would again come to 0.1 Million additional tunnels.

*seamless-interop* solution uses one tunnel per PE, so 100 additional
tunnels to achieve same objective.


*4. Data Plane considerations*

*4.1.* The data-plane nuances of solution has been underplayed. For
example, if a PE1 has a (S, G) receivers in BD2, BD3 till BD10, whereas
source S belongs in BD1 subnet on PE2. And if BD1 is not configured locally
on PE1, a special BD (called SBD) is programmed as IIF in forwarding entry.
Later if BD1 gets configured on PE1, it would cause IIF to change on PE1
from SBD to BD1. This would result in traffic disruption for all existing
receivers in BD2, BD3 till BD10. It should be noted that no state changes
are observed in any of the receiver BD's. This is a significant drawback of
the solution given the latency requirement of applications running in
data-centers. Additionally, since host mobility and on-demand BD
configuration are critical functionalities for DC solutions, such case
can't be discounted.

*4.2. *Also, *evpn-irb* solution proposes to relax the RPF check for a (*,
G) multicast entry. This poses a great risk of traffic loops especially in
transient network conditions in addition to poor debug-ability.

*seamless-interop* solution doesn't possess these drawbacks and any BD
configuration or de-configuration wouldn't cause any change in existing
forwarding state.


In nutshell, even after borrowing MVPN constructs, *evpn-irb* solution
presents significant overhead in comparison to *seamless-interop* for
modern day data-center use-cases where flexible workload placement,
workload mobility and data-plane efficiency are critical features.

Regards,
Ashutosh

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Folks,=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I have follo=
wing comments on=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mc<wbr>ast. I also compare i=
t to=C2=A0draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-<wbr>mvpn-seamless-interop, which utilize=
s existing MVPN technology to achieve mcast-irb functionality in EVPN.=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>1. Re-branding MVPN c=
onstructs into EVPN=C2=A0</b><br></div><i style=3D"font-size:small;text-dec=
oration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">evpn-irb</i><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:in=
itial"> d</span>raft=C2=A0proposes a lot of MVPN constructs into EVPN. Orig=
inating <span style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-d=
ecoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">multicast receiver inter=
est &quot;</span>per PE&quot;=C2=A0 instead of &quot;per BD&quot;, use of s=
elective tunnels are few examples. If solution really is achievable through=
 MVPN, why do we need to re-brand it in EVPN?=C2=A0<br><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><b>2. Scale of BGP routes</b>=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><div><i>evpn-irb</i>=
=C2=A0solution mandates a PE to process and store all IMET NLRI&#39;s from =
all peer PE&#39;s in tenant domain (as opposed to processing and storing on=
ly NLRI&#39;s for BD&#39;s it has locally present). This is proposed becaus=
e multicast traffic could be originating from any PE in any BD. To put this=
 in perspective, lets take an example of a tenant domain with 101 PE&#39;s =
with each PE having 1000 BD&#39;s. Each PE has at most 10 BD&#39;s common w=
ith any other PE in network. In this case PE1 will have to process and stor=
e, 100 (remote PE&#39;s) x 1000 (BD&#39;s per PE) x 1 (IMET per BD) =3D 0.1=
 Million IMET routes. Essentially, it is of order <b>&quot;Num of BD&#39;s&=
quot; x &quot;Num of PE&#39;s&quot;</b>.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Whe=
reas for <span style=3D"font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);t=
ext-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;displ=
ay:inline"><i>seamless-interop</i> solution, a PE=C2=A0</span>would need to=
 process and store 100 I-PMSI (<span style=3D"font-size:small;background-co=
lor:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:in=
itial;float:none;display:inline">IMET equivalent in MVPN)=C2=A0</span>route=
s, means one route from each peer PE. . This is of order=C2=A0<b>&quot;num =
of PE&#39;s&quot;.</b>=C2=A0It should be noted that VxLAN supports and max =
of ~16 million BD&#39;s thus=C2=A0<i>evpn-irb</i>=C2=A0solution=C2=A0result=
s in huge overhead per PE if compared with <i>seamless-interop</i>.=C2=A0</=
div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>3. Control plane scale in fabric =
/ core=C2=A0</b><br></div><div>Also each PE one additional Tunnel per BD ap=
art from existing BUM tunnel. Essentially one tunnel for B+U and another fo=
r M. This is proposed to avoid all B+U traffic in the BD1, indiscriminately=
 reaching all PE&#39;s in domain, irrespective of whether they have BD1 con=
figured locally or not. This increases the state in fabric by <b>&quot;num =
of PE&quot; x &quot;num of BD&quot;</b>. In above example it would again co=
me to 0.1 Million additional tunnels.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0<br></div><div>=
<span style=3D"font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decor=
ation-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline=
"><span style=3D"text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initia=
l;float:none;display:inline"><i>seamless-interop</i> solution uses one tunn=
el per PE, so 100 additional tunnels to achieve same objective.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
</span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>4. Data Plane=
 considerations</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>4.1.</b> The data-pl=
ane nuances of solution has been underplayed. For example, if a PE1 has a (=
S, G) receivers in BD2, BD3 till BD10, whereas source S belongs in BD1 subn=
et on PE2. And if BD1 is not configured locally on PE1, a special BD (calle=
d SBD) is programmed as IIF in forwarding entry. Later if BD1 gets configur=
ed on PE1, it would cause IIF to change on PE1 from SBD to BD1. This would =
result in traffic disruption for all existing receivers in BD2, BD3 till BD=
10. It should be noted that no state changes are observed in any of the rec=
eiver BD&#39;s. This is a significant drawback of the solution given the la=
tency requirement of applications running in data-centers. Additionally, si=
nce host mobility and on-demand BD configuration are critical functionaliti=
es for DC solutions, such case can&#39;t be discounted.=C2=A0</div><div><br=
></div><div><b>4.2. </b>Also, <i>evpn-irb</i>=C2=A0solution proposes to rel=
ax the RPF check for a (*, G) multicast entry. This poses a great risk of t=
raffic loops especially in transient network conditions in addition to poor=
 debug-ability.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><i>seamless-interop</=
i> solution doesn&#39;t possess these drawbacks and any BD configuration or=
 de-configuration wouldn&#39;t cause any change in existing forwarding stat=
e.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In nutshell, even afte=
r borrowing MVPN constructs,=C2=A0<i>evpn-irb</i> solution presents signifi=
cant overhead in comparison to <i>seamless-interop</i> for modern day data-=
center use-cases where flexible workload placement, workload mobility and d=
ata-plane efficiency are critical features.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
Regards,</div><div>Ashutosh</div></div>

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This is needed improvement. support.

Regards,
Ashutosh

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

> Hi WG,
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is needed improvement. support.=C2=A0<div><br></div><=
div>Regards,</div><div>Ashutosh</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com" target=3D"_blank">st=
ephane.litkowski@orange.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">





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<div class=3D"m_499054220683521962WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">This emai=
l begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-sajassi-b=
ess-evpn-per-<wbr>mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Please re=
view the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, statin=
g whether or not you support adoption.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">We are al=
so polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Docume=
nt, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=
 (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
 more details).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you ar=
e listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to =
this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisc=
losed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list.
 The document won&#39;t progress without answers from all the authors and c=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you ar=
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only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conform=
ance with IETF rules.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">The poll =
for working group adoption closes on Wed 22<sup>th</sup> Aug. =C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Regards,<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">St=C3=A9p=
hane and Matthew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">[1] <a href=3D"https://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-<wbr>per-mcas=
t-flow-df-election/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Service Function Chaining using Virtual Networks with BGP VPNs
        Authors         : Rex Fernando
                          Stuart Mackie
                          Dhananjaya Rao
                          Bruno Rijsman
                          Maria Napierala
                          Thomas Morin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-service-chaining-05.txt
	Pages           : 40
	Date            : 2018-08-06

Abstract:
   This document describes how service function chains (SFC) can be
   applied to traffic flows using routing in a virtual (overlay) network
   to steer traffic between service nodes.  Chains can include services
   running in routers, on physical appliances or in virtual machines.
   Service chains have applicability at the subscriber edge, business
   edge and in multi-tenant datacenters.  The routing function into SFCs
   and between service functions within an SFC can be performed by
   physical devices (routers), be virtualized inside hypervisors, or run
   as part of a host OS.

   A BGP control plane for route distribution is used to create virtual
   networks implemented using IP MPLS, VXLAN or other suitable
   encapsulation, where the routes within the virtual networks cause
   traffic to flow through a sequence of service nodes that apply packet
   processing functions to the flows.

   Two techniques are described: in one the service chain is implemented
   as a sequence of distinct VPNs between sets of service nodes that
   apply each service function; in the other, the routes within a VPN
   are modified through the use of special route targets and modified
   next-hop resolution to achieve the desired result.

   In both techniques, service chains can be created by manual
   configuration of routes and route targets in routing systems, or
   through the use of a controller which contains a topological model of
   the desired service chains.

   This document also contains discussion of load balancing between
   network functions, symmetric forward and reverse paths when stateful
   services are involved, and use of classifiers to direct traffic into
   a service chain.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Updated processing of control flags for BGP VPLS
        Authors         : Ravi Singh
                          Kireeti Kompella
                          Senad Palislamovic
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-06.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2018-08-17

Abstract:
   This document updates the meaning of the "control flags" fields
   inside the "layer2 info extended community" used for BGP-VPLS NLRI as
   defined in RFC4761. If approved, this document updates RFC4761.



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Hi,

Support WH adoption.

Thanks,
Neeraj

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>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 06:38, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:
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>> This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draf=
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>> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t=
his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I=
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>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-fl=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div><br></div>Hi,<div><br></div><div>Suppo=
rt WH adoption.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Neeraj<br><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 06:38, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange=
.com">stephane.litkowski@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_1440442410258028491WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>&nb=
sp;<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">This email=
 begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption of draft-sajassi-bes=
s-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election-01 [1]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Please rev=
iew the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, stating w=
hether or not you support adoption.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">We are als=
o polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document=
, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (s=
ee RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
 more details).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you are=
 listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to th=
is email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclos=
ed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list.
 The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contri=
butors.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>&nb=
sp;<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you are=
 not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond on=
ly if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformanc=
e with IETF rules.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>&nb=
sp;<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">The poll f=
or working group adoption closes on Wed 22<sup>th</sup> Aug. &nbsp;<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">Regards,<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">St=C3=A9ph=
ane and Matthew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">[1] <a href=3D"https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-election/" target=3D=
"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-per-mcast-flow-df-e=
lection/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
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Abstract


   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
   monitor Multicast communication over IP Virtual Private Networks
   (VPNs) supported by MultiProtocol Label Switching/Border Gateway
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Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 07:03
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Hello working group,

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This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evp=
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A significant amount of update has been introduced since the previous WGLC.=
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This poll runs until *the 22th of August*.

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Thank you

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bess chairs

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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forw=
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Support.

This is an important draft and is implemented;

?

?(1) I echo Acee's comment re: "Router MAC" for readability


(2) The document often refers to two Route-targets (MAC-VRF & IP-VRF) which=
 is overly restrictive.

I would propose language more to the effect of MAC/IP must be advertised wi=
th two sets of RTs


    RFC7432:  EVPN route MAY carry one or more Route Target (RT) attributes=
.?

vs. for example:

   This route MUST be advertised with two route targets - one
   corresponding to the MAC-VRF of the tenant's subnet and another
   corresponding to the tenant's IP-VRF.


Thanks,

Luc Andr=E9? Burdet


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This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evp=
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This poll runs until *the 22th of August*.





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<p>Support.<br>
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<p>Thanks,</p>
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Reviewer: Joel Jaeggli
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I have reviewed draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib with an it towards it's operational
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Hi,

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Reviewer: Robert Sparks
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This document provides a pair of MIB modules intended as building blocks for
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Reviewer: Valery Smyslov	
Review result: Almost Ready

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the 
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the 
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat 
these comments just like any other last call comments.

The document provides a MIB module for Level 3 Multicast VPNs.
The MIB Module passed a thorough MIB doctor review.

The Security Considerations text follows the "Security Guidelines for IETF 
MIB Modules" (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/mib-security).
In particular, all the objects with read-write access from this MIB module 
are listed and the possible impact of manipulating their values is described.
In addition, readable address-related objects from this MIB module 
that may reveal the locations of the peers are listed too.
My only concern with the Security Considerations is that the latter list lacks 
mvpnMrouteRtAddr object, which in my opinion should be there, 
since it's also readable and contains address-related information.
I think that once this issue is resolved the document will be ready for publication.



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Reviewer: Joe Clarke
Review result: Has Issues

I have been assigned to do an OPS DIR review of draft-ietf-bess-proxy-arp-nd. 
This document describes how the proxy ARP/ND functions of EVPN can be used to
mitigate the impact of address resolution in large broadcast domains.  While
the text does support the abstract and describes how such proxy functions can
help prevent flooding of broadcast traffic into the EVPNs, I found something
noticeably missing from an operational point of view.  This was especially
apparent since the concept of an ARP-Sponge was also discussed.  That is, one
of the big operational headaches of a large broadcast domain is with negative
ARP/ND (especially ARP).  We actually see this in the IETF conference networks
due to internet backscatter (we might be considered a DC in this regard). 
While the proxy functions can mitigate the positive address resolution, they
will not help with negative caching.  I feel that should be discussed, at least
in the security recommendations, assuming there is not a proposal for adding
capabilities to the EVPN proxy functions to further mitigate this.

An overall nit is that you seem to mix capitalization of various terms like
Ethernet, Proxy-ARP, Layer-2, etc.  It would be good to normalize these for
easier reading.

Other comments and nits on a per-section basis are found below.

Section 2.1:

In general, I found this section lacking when compared with the IXP section
below it.  You describe that large DCs may have a problem with broadcasts, but
that is a known quantity.  What I was expecting is to see more on how this
document is applicable to that scenario like you did with the subsequent IXP
section.

===

Section 4

"When CE3 sends an ARP Request asking for IP1..."

Technically, CE3 is asking for the MAC address of IP1.

===

Section 4.2

s/potential Layer-2 switches seating/potential Layer-2 switches sitting/

===

Section 4.4

You say that a dynamic Proxy-ARP/ND entry SHOULD be flushed.  It MUST be
flushed if the age-time expires.  I think this should be restated applying the
SHOULD to whether or not an age-time is implemented.  IMHO, if an age-time is
implemented, keeping an entry in the table after it has aged out is incorrect
behavior.  An implementation MUST NOT do that.

===

Section 6.5

LAG is not listed in your glossary of abbreviations.

===

Section 7

Typically the conventions section is located at the top of a document, after
the abstract.

