From nobody Thu Nov 1 08:08:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81165127598 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:08:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H9k3InaxkI-V for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F175124BAA for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 9F923EC0BD3C1 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 15:08:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 15:08:02 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.103]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.104]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:07:56 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 Thread-Index: AdRwKWwO40SljUpzQ4CkoTLADFNCoQBVDbBAAB2+b1A= Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 15:07:55 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B181A24@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <12866_1540887721_5BD814A9_12866_117_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B735BC6@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858DC4A7F20@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858DC4A7F20@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.130.62] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B181A24sjceml521mbschi_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 15:08:09 -0000 --_004_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B181A24sjceml521mbschi_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B181A24sjceml521mbschi_" --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F66B181A24sjceml521mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Regards, Linda Dunbar From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:22 PM To: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregatio= n-label-01 Hi WG, This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzh= ang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1] Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t, stating whether or not you support adoption. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr= ess without answers from all the authors and contributors. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. The poll for working group adoption closes on Tue 13th November. Regards, St=E9phane and Matthew [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregatio= n-label/ [Orange logo] Stephane Litkowski Network Architect Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET Orange Expert Future Networks phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83 NEW ! mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 NEW ! stephane.litkowski@orange.com ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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Yes/support 

Regards,

Linda Dunbar

 

 

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stepha= ne.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:22 PM
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-agg= regation-label-01

 

Hi WG,

 

This emai= l begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzhang-bess-= mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1]

 

Please re= view the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, statin= g whether or not you support adoption.

 

We are al= so polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Docume= nt, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules= (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you ar= e listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to = this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisc= losed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contr= ibutors.

 

If you ar= e not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond = only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conform= ance with IETF rules.

 

The poll = for working group adoption closes on Tue 13th November.  

 

Regards,<= /span>

St=E9phan= e and Matthew

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-la= bel/

 

 

 

 

 

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Stephane Litkowski
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Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET

Orange Expert Future Networks=

phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83  N= EW !
mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50  NEW = ;!
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The MPLS encapsulation tunnel type, listed in Section 11, is needed Corrected Text -------------- list of encapsulation types defined in [RFC5512]; they are listed in Section 12. The MPLS encapsulation tunnel type, listed in Section 12, is needed Notes ----- Typo in the reference, Section 11 is "11. Security Considerations", but text refers to "12. IANA Considerations" -------------------------------------- RFC8365 (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-overlay-12) -------------------------------------- Title : A Network Virtualization Overlay Solution Using Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Publication Date : March 2018 Author(s) : A. Sajassi, Ed., J. Drake, Ed., N. Bitar, R. Shekhar, J. Uttaro, W. 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My comments: 1. The problem stated by this draft is valid, and the proposed method = is useful for some of the listed problem. For example, EVPN BUM who uses MP= LS identification and dataplane. 2. EVPN BUM using vxlan/vni identification may not need a MPLS label t= o identify the vpn/tenant. 3. For MVPN who has a UMH(Upstream Multicast Hop) selection procedure,= the exist using of upstream-assigned VpnLabel can be optimized to only pop= ulate to forwarding-state when there are c-multicast flows selecting the sp= ecific UMH PE. 4. For an End-to-End deployment of MVPN who spans multi-ASes as the wa= y stated in , the allocation of a = global-unique label is useful and possible. But operators may need to be ve= ry careful to allocate the very limited MPLS labels. Because, MPLS labels h= as been divided to SRLB and SRGB, and SRGB may have been again divided by S= R-domains according to . 5. For segmented MVPN deployment, the further divide of the MPLS Label= is also difficult when thinking of the above. 6. For BIER, is the BIER proto=3D1 indicating a BIER-specific unique V= pnLabel ? or a Per-platform (RFC5331) downstream-assigned unique label ? i= f it is the later one, how about adding a new BIER proto value to indicatin= g a BIER-specific unique VpnLabel ? And then a static Context (BIER) can b= e optional to the dynamic advertising of a Context ? From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:22 PM To: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregatio= n-label-01 Hi WG, This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzh= ang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1] Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t, stating whether or not you support adoption. 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+1 support the adoption.

 

My comments:

1.      The problem stated by this draft is valid, and the propos= ed method is useful for some of the listed problem. For example, EVPN BUM w= ho uses MPLS identification and dataplane.

2.      EVPN BUM using vxlan/vni identification may not need a MP= LS label to identify the vpn/tenant.

3.      For MVPN who has a UMH(Upstream Multicast Hop) selection = procedure, the exist using of upstream-assigned VpnLabel can be optimized t= o only populate to forwarding-state when there are c-multicast flows selecting the specific UMH PE.=

4.      For an End-to-End deployment of MVPN who spans multi-ASes= as the way stated in <draft-geng-bier-sr-multicast-deployment>, the = allocation of a global-unique label is useful and possible. But operators may need to be very careful to allocate the ve= ry limited MPLS labels. Because, MPLS labels has been divided to SRLB and S= RGB, and SRGB may have been again divided by SR-domains according to <dr= aft-filsfils-spring-large-scale-interconnect-12>.  

5.      For segmented MVPN deployment, the further divide of the = MPLS Label is also difficult when thinking of the above.<= /p>

6.      For BIER, is the BIER proto=3D1 indicating a BIER-specifi= c unique VpnLabel ? or a Per-platform (RFC5331) downstream-assigned unique = label ?  if it is the later one, how about adding a new BIER proto value to indicating a BIER-specific unique VpnLabe= l ?  And then a static Context (BIER) can be optional to the dynamic a= dvertising of a Context ?

 

 

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:22 PM
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-agg= regation-label-01

 

Hi WG,

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This emai= l begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzhang-bess-= mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1]

 

Please re= view the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, statin= g whether or not you support adoption.

 

We are al= so polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Docume= nt, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules= (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you ar= e listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to = this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisc= losed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contr= ibutors.

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Possible values are: NAT Type.without NAT; 1:1 static NAT; Full Cone; Restricted Cone; Port Restricted Cone; or Symmetric. You very nicely listed all nat types except one: "unknown" :) Why - Let's notice that in the other part of the text you state that information of the NAT type may be obtained from STUN server "can inquire". So if use of STUN server is optional then there is possibility that there is none and end point would not know about the NAT type it is traversing. *Observation: * This seems to be yet one more time we see proposal of "let's ride on BGP as we need to exchange endpoint discovery data point to point in a realiable way". I see zero need in this proposal why BGP is required here as opposed to any piece of code which can deliver data between two or more endpoints. Seeing those proposals it puzzles me a lot why skype or hangout are not using BGP ... after all video or voice call setup does require exchange of endpoint data. Likewise another unknown mystery is why SMTP is not riding on BGP too ? Yes overall we are missing now pretty much every day a global distributed system to exchange endpoint data in a dynamic way. Before we proceed on this or any other similar BGP extension I would highly appreciate some discussion on why below alternatives or other new similar proposals can be used instead of BGP for the described applications. 1. LISP mapping plane 2. Products of IDentity Enabled Networks WG 3. DynamicDNS 4. Registry of Data on AWS etc... Thx, Robert. On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:19 PM Linda Dunbar wrote: > IDR group, BESS group, > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext/ > specifies a new BGP SAFI (=3D74) in order to advertise a SD-WAN edge node= =E2=80=99s > capabilities in establishing SD-WAN overlay tunnels with other SD-WAN nod= es > through third party untrusted networks. > > > > draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-00 describes an EVPN solution for PE nodes > to exchange key and policy to create private pair-wise IPsec Security > Associations without IKEv2 point-to-point signaling or any other direct > peer-to-peer session establishment messages. > > > > I think those two solutions are not conflicting with each other. Actually > they are compliment to each other to some degree. For example, > > - the Re-key mechanism described by > draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-00 can be utilized by > draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext > > - The SD-WAN Overlay SAFI can be useful to simplify the process on > RR to re-distribute the Tunnel End properties to authorized peers. > > - When SD-WAN edge nodes use private address, or no IP address, > NAT properties for the end points distribution described > draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext is necessary. > > - The secure channel between SD-WAN edge nodes and RR described by > draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext is necessary. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Linda Dunbar > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --00000000000071cea60579d886ab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lind= a,

I have one comment to proposed encoding and one overa= ll observation.=C2=A0

Comment:=C2=A0
<= div>
Proposed "EncapsExt sub-TLV" defines as mandat= ory indication on NAT type. Possible values are:=C2=A0 NAT Type.without NAT= ; 1:1 static NAT; Full Cone; Restricted Cone; Port Restricted Cone; or Symm= etric.

You very nicely listed all nat types except= one: "unknown" :) Why - Let's notice that in the other part = of the text you state that information of the NAT type may be obtained from= STUN server "can inquire". So if use of STUN server is optional = then there is possibility that there is none and end point would not know a= bout the NAT type it is traversing.=C2=A0

Obser= vation:=C2=A0

This seems to be yet one more ti= me we see proposal of "let's ride on BGP as we need to exchange en= dpoint discovery data point to point in a realiable way". I see zero n= eed in this proposal why BGP is required here as opposed to any piece of co= de which can deliver data between two or more endpoints.=C2=A0
Seeing those proposals it puzzles me a lot why skype or hangou= t are not using BGP ... after all video or voice call setup does require ex= change of endpoint data. Likewise another unknown mystery is why SMTP is no= t riding on BGP too ?=C2=A0

Yes overall we are mis= sing now pretty much every day a global distributed system to exchange endp= oint data in a dynamic way.=C2=A0

Before we procee= d on this or any other similar BGP extension I would highly appreciate some= discussion on why below alternatives or other new similar proposals can be= used instead of BGP for the described applications.=C2=A0

1. LISP mapping plane=C2=A0
2. Products of=C2=A0IDentity= Enabled Networks WG
3. DynamicDNS
4. Registry of Data = on AWS=C2=A0
etc...

Thx,
Rober= t.


On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:19 PM Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> wrote:=

IDR group, BESS group,

=C2=A0

https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext/ specifies a new BGP SA= FI (=3D74) in order to advertise a SD-WAN edge node=E2=80=99s capabilities in establishing SD-WAN overlay tunnels with other SD-WAN nodes through thi= rd party untrusted networks.

=C2=A0

draft-sajassi-bess-sec= ure-evpn-00 describes an EVPN solution for PE nodes to exchange key and pol= icy to create private pair-wise IPsec Security Associations without IKEv2 p= oint-to-point signaling or any other direct peer-to-peer session establishment messages.

=C2=A0

I think those two solu= tions are not conflicting with each other. Actually they are compliment to = each other to some degree. For example,

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the Re-key mechanism described by draft-sajassi-bess-s= ecure-evpn-00 can be utilized by draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext =C2= =A0

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The SD-WAN Overlay SAFI can be useful to simplify the = process on RR to re-distribute the Tunnel End properties to authorized peer= s.

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When SD-WAN edge nodes use private address, or no IP a= ddress, NAT properties for the end points distribution described draft-dunb= ar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext is necessary.

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The secure channel between SD-WAN edge nodes and RR de= scribed by draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext is necessary.

=C2=A0

Any thoughts? <= u>

=C2=A0

Thank you very much. <= u>

=C2=A0

Linda Dunbar=

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--00000000000071cea60579d886ab-- From nobody Sun Nov 4 15:28:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4E212F295; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 15:28:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <154137412028.31956.11666290593108200242@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 15:28:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-05.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:28:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3E7915CC-296B-49F6-B25F-23713589BCA4@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.118.87.85, rtp-jclarke-nitro4.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-11.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-04 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 01:36:25 -0000 On 11/4/18 18:45, Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) wrote: > [JORGE] not sure what you mean by "negative caching". If you refer to the ability of certain routers/servers to inject dummy MACs into the ARP caches so that hosts stop ARPing for absent IPs, the solution actually may help, since there is an option to suppress unknown ARP-Requests/NS flooding explained in Section 4.5. Should you choose to enable this option on the Proxy-ARP/ND functions of the PEs, you no longer flood unknown ARP-Requests, and therefore there is no longer need to inject those dummy MAC addresses to stop the flooding. A host may keep ARP'ing for an absent host, but at least those messages won't bother the entire BD. I added this text in the security section: > -------------- > "The procedures in this document reduce the amount of ARP/ND message > flooding, which in itself provides a protection to "slow path" > software processors of routers and Tenant Systems in large BDs. The > ARP/ND requests that are replied by the Proxy-ARP/ND function (hence > not flooded) are normally targeted to existing hosts in the BD. > ARP/ND requests targeted to absent hosts are still normally flooded, > however the suppression of Unknown ARP-Requests and NS messages > described in Section 4.5. can provide an additional level of security > against ARP-Requests/NS messages issued to non-existing hosts." > -------------- Thanks. I re-read section 4.5, and I think this does indeed address my comment. The addition of this text is appreciated. 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Ali:

 

It would be = useful to indicate how you keep the IPSEC information from going outside = the AS.   For reference, this is Keyur Patel’s question. =

 

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I hope Ali will discuss.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) = [mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com]=20 Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 3:10 AM To: Susan Hares; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] draft-ietf-bess-security-00.txt =20 Also how does the solution behave if the edge device is no longer = connected to the RR and does not get keys in time to refresh. Common = issue in SD-WAN context which is in scope from what I understood on the = discussion with Linda. =20 From: BESS on behalf of Susan Hares = Date: Monday, 5 November 2018 at 15:06 To: "bess@ietf.org" Subject: [bess] draft-ietf-bess-security-00.txt =20 Ali: =20 It would be useful to indicate how you keep the IPSEC information from = going outside the AS. For reference, this is Keyur Patel=E2=80=99s = question.=20 =20 Cheerily, Susan Hares=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0127_01D474B5.254D9110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1 on this question.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I hope Ali will = discuss.

 

Sue =

 

From:= = Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) [mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com] =
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 3:10 AM
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Also how = does the solution behave if the edge device is no longer connected to = the RR and does not get keys in time to refresh. Common issue in SD-WAN = context which is in scope from what I understood on the discussion with = Linda.

 

From: BESS = <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Susan Hares = <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Monday, 5 November 2018 at = 15:06
To: "bess@ietf.org" = <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] = draft-ietf-bess-security-00.txt

 

Ali:

 

It would be = useful to indicate how you keep the IPSEC information from going outside = the AS.   For reference, this is Keyur Patel=E2=80=99s = question.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

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Greetings: =

 

In grow WG today, Randy Bush shared research that that = communities may be erroneous sent up to 4 AS beyond the original = sending.   How does the technology in this draft prevent this = from occurring?

 

Is your only = guarantee policy at the edge? 

 

Sue Hares =

 

 

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by 2002:a24:ac02:: with SMTP id s2-v6mr6422671ite.105.1541425692124; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 05:48:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <596A3CD9-4A63-4EC6-AE77-FE75524EDE37@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <596A3CD9-4A63-4EC6-AE77-FE75524EDE37@nokia.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 08:48:00 -0500 Message-ID: To: jorge.rabadan@nokia.com Cc: bess@ietf.org, draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd.authors@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Comments about draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd-01 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:48:15 -0000 Hi Jorge, On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:44 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) wrote: > > Dear authors, > > I couldn=E2=80=99t make it to the BESS meeting, so my apologies if some o= f these things have been discussed. > > Some comments/questions: Thanks for sending comments. > - In the last IETF, I suggested the use of BGP and the BGP-BFD attribute = to exchange discriminators, as in section 3.1.6 of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fas= t-failover. The idea seemed to be accepted, but it is not in the new versio= n. This would allow the signaling of the discriminators along with MAC/IP r= outes, IMET routes, AD per-EVI routes, IP-Prefix routes, etc. without the b= urden of having to support the EVPN LSP-ping draft. There is a draft version -02 in the works intended to include distribution of BFD discriminators in BGP but this revision was not completed to the agreement of the authors in time to posted before this meeting. > - The draft describes an encapsulation and an alternative encapsulation. = Is the intend to keep both? Wouldn't be better to leave only one to ease im= plementations and interoperability? Currently, the candidate version -02 draft dispenses with with the alternative encapsulation. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Thank you. > Jorge From nobody Mon Nov 5 08:19:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7FD130DF2; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 08:18:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7_Y-OXqeyPLB; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 08:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B38F0130E0C; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 08:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 243135318788C; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 16:18:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.44) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 16:18:50 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.103]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.13]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 08:18:37 -0800 From: Linda Dunbar To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" , "idr@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: what are the problems to anticipate with new SD-WAN SAFI specified by draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext ? 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idr@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eede450579eeb744" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Comparing using the SD-WAN Overlay SAFI specified by draft-dunbar-idr-bgp-sdwan-overlay-ext with the EVPN approach described by draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-00 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 18:04:42 -0000 --000000000000eede450579eeb744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Linda, There are some key differences: Skype and CDN overlay companies don=E2=80= =99t have > any intension to interoperate, but networking needs interoperability. > There is no issue about interoperability. Observe that that each endpoint can today seamlessly be a member of N different SD-WAN orchestration systems. In fact wise deployment requires that to provide sufficient robustness on a per site SD-WAN VPN basis. Adding a new BGP SAFI is 1% of implementation burden of adding a new > protocol. > Look ... BGP RRs got loaded with carrying dynamic IGP data. Now we are facing to load it with IPSec data. Where does this end ? IMHO IDR WG should evaluate each proposal for extension in the view of what elements of BGP protocol given extension attempts to augment. If this is solely for transporting opaque data such proposal should be either denied or ensured by MUST that is has to run on different instance of real BGP (just to accomodate your 1% code extension) as proposed in draft-raszuk-mi-bgp-00 4. Registry of Data on AWS etc... > > [Linda] sure if AWS is interested in participating to make the needed > changes. More work is needed to make AWS Data registry to communicate our > existing BGP? > AWS or Azure or GCP should not play any role in that. Those would be purely compute infra providers taking no responsibility for what data is being exchanged there. Obviously some vendor neutral entitiy should operate it. Likely some ICANN analogy on how DNS is being run today. But as mentioned above for SD-WAN I really do not see a problem. Any open or closed SD-WAN orchestration with just few clicks of the mouse can add or delete sites and such sites can participate in more then one SD-WAN. In fact paying few dollars per month per site allows you to outsource your WAN networking costs for peanuts as well as benefit from a lot of non limited custom features between SD-WAN providers. Do we really want now to limit that innovation by putting them onto IETF tracks (regardless of WG chosen to own this) ? 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Hi Linda,

There are some key differences: Skype and CDN overlay= companies don=E2=80=99t have any intension to interoperate, but networking= needs interoperability.


=
There is no issue about interoperability. Observe that that each endpo= int can today seamlessly be a member of N different SD-WAN orchestration sy= stems. In fact wise deployment requires that to provide sufficient robustne= ss on a per site SD-WAN VPN basis.=C2=A0

=C2=A0Add= ing a new BGP SAFI is 1% of implementation burden of adding a new protocol.= =C2=A0


Look ... BGP = RRs got loaded with carrying dynamic IGP data. Now we are facing to load it= with IPSec data. Where does this end ?=C2=A0

IMHO= IDR WG should evaluate each proposal for extension in the view of what ele= ments of BGP protocol given extension attempts to augment. If this is solel= y for transporting opaque data such proposal should be either denied or ens= ured by MUST that is has to run on different instance of real BGP (just to = accomodate your 1% code extension) as proposed in=C2=A0draft-raszuk-mi-bgp-= 00


4. Registry of Data on AWS etc...=

[Linda] sure if AWS is interested in participating to make= the needed changes. More work is needed to make AWS Data registry to commu= nicate our existing BGP?


=
AWS or Azure or GCP should not play any role in that. Those would be p= urely compute infra providers taking no responsibility for what data is bei= ng exchanged there. Obviously some vendor neutral entitiy should operate it= . Likely some ICANN analogy on how DNS is being run today.=C2=A0
=
But as mentioned above for SD-WAN I really do not see a prob= lem. Any open or closed SD-WAN orchestration with just few clicks of the mo= use can add or delete sites and such sites can participate in more then one= SD-WAN. In fact paying few dollars per month per site allows you to outsou= rce your WAN networking costs for peanuts as well as benefit from a lot of = non limited custom features between SD-WAN providers.=C2=A0

<= /div>
Do we really want now to limit that innovation by putting them on= to IETF tracks (regardless of WG chosen to own this) ?=C2=A0

=
Thx,
R.

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Yours Irrespectively, John > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS On Behalf Of Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - > US/Mountain View) > Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 4:45 AM > To: bess@ietf.org; draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto.authors@ietf.org > Subject: [bess] About draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto-03 >=20 > Dear authors, >=20 > Some comments about this draft: >=20 > 1- the draft uses some 'non-standard' terminology. Could you use RFC7432 > terminology please? An example of 'non-standard' term is EVLAG. >=20 > 2- the draft proposes a solution for something that works today without t= he > need of a multi-homed Ethernet Segment or any new procedures: > - There are already EVPN deployments that use STP/G.8032 access rings. > - The two EVPN PEs that close the ring can participate of the ring protoc= ol, > therefore the received mac flush messages will withdraw the required > MAC/IP routes. > - Since the remote PEs will forward normally based on their MAC FIB > (populated by MAC/IP routes), there is no need to specify a new "Single F= low > Active" forwarding mode. This is normal MAC based forwarding. Why do we > need to create a new mode?? Can you please explain? > - Besides, by adding a bit in the ESI-label ext community different than = the > single-active bit, you make the solution non-backwards compatible. >=20 > 3- Section 6 - why do you define yet another extended community for mac > flush, when we already have one? (RFC7623) >=20 > 4- there is some value in the proposal though - the mass withdrawal (per-= BD > or per-ES) as opposed to per-MAC withdrawal may speed up convergence. > Here is an alternative solution that can achieve the same thing and it's > backwards compatible with RFC7432: >=20 > On the L2GWs: > a) Define a single-homed non-zero ESI per L2GW PW. The ESI can be auto- > derived easily as type 3/4 and be made unique in the network. > b) Since the ES is defined in a single PE, the ES routes will be filtered= by the RR > (use RTC) and won't ever reach other PEs. Alternatively you can disable t= he > ES routes. > c) This L2GW ES will be single-active mode (although it does not matter > much). > d) Since the ES is not shared across the L2GWs, each L2GW will always be = DF > for all the local VLANs. > e) Each L2GW will send AD per-ES and per-EVI routes for its ESI. > f) When the L2GW receives a mac-flush notification (STP TCN, G.8032 mac- > flush, TLDP MAC withdrawal etc.), the L2GW sends an update of the AD per- > EVI route with the MAC Mobility extended community and a higher sequence > number - note that we borrow this well-known mac flush procedure from > RFC7623, only for AD per-EVI routes. >=20 > On the remote PEs: > g) The MACs will be learned against the ESIs, but there will only be one = next- > hop per ES. No aliasing or no backup. And RFC7432-compatible. > h) Upon receiving an AD per-EVI update with a higher SEQ number, the PE > flushes all the MACs for the BD. If the PE does not understand the MAC > Mobility ext comm in the AD per-EVI route, it won't do anything and will > simply flush MACs based on MAC/IP route withdrawals. > i) Upon receiving an AD per-ES route withdrawal the PE will do mass > withdrawal for all the affected BDs (this is the case where the L2GW loca= l ES > goes down). >=20 > Please let me know your comments. >=20 > Thank you. > Jorge >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bess&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Sc > bfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DCRB2tJiQePk0cT-h5LGhEWH- > s_xXXup3HzvBSMRj5VE&m=3Dkfwh59Pugrm0xKNQhDY5GPyy_bmYJpBOz8qJlix > Yj7w&s=3D5lQsLyRE7AmY0gkMA3vUe8midV3e4qx80blF1vr6snY&e=3D From nobody Mon Nov 5 16:49:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 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by 2002:a24:bc47:: with SMTP id n68-v6mr1773754ite.102.1541505570481; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:59:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <596A3CD9-4A63-4EC6-AE77-FE75524EDE37@nokia.com> <4DF419AC-B281-455F-BAB3-B2C237A1F588@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <4DF419AC-B281-455F-BAB3-B2C237A1F588@nokia.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 06:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: jorge.rabadan@nokia.com Cc: bess@ietf.org, draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd.authors@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Comments about draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd-01 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:59:33 -0000 Hi Jorge, On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 9:12 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) wrote: > > Hi Donald, > > Thank you for this. > For the second question, I get from your answer that you will keep both e= ncapsulations for the time being? Well, once a draft is posted, it can't be changed, so the currently posted -01 won't change but the -02 version that is being worked on and is not yet posted eliminates the alternative encapsulation. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Thanks. > Jorge > > > =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message----- > From: Donald Eastlake > Date: Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:48 PM > To: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" > Cc: "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd.authors@ie= tf.org" > Subject: Re: Comments about draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd-01 > > Hi Jorge, > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:44 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain > View) wrote: > > > > Dear authors, > > > > I couldn=E2=80=99t make it to the BESS meeting, so my apologies if = some of these things have been discussed. > > > > Some comments/questions: > > Thanks for sending comments. > > > - In the last IETF, I suggested the use of BGP and the BGP-BFD attr= ibute to exchange discriminators, as in section 3.1.6 of draft-ietf-bess-mv= pn-fast-failover. The idea seemed to be accepted, but it is not in the new = version. This would allow the signaling of the discriminators along with MA= C/IP routes, IMET routes, AD per-EVI routes, IP-Prefix routes, etc. without= the burden of having to support the EVPN LSP-ping draft. > > There is a draft version -02 in the works intended to include > distribution of BFD discriminators in BGP but this revision was not > completed to the agreement of the authors in time to posted before > this meeting. > > > - The draft describes an encapsulation and an alternative encapsula= tion. Is the intend to keep both? Wouldn't be better to leave only one to e= ase implementations and interoperability? > > Currently, the candidate version -02 draft dispenses with with the > alternative encapsulation. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 04:47:31 -0000 --0000000000009eaddf057a0bd052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Ali, thank you for taking the time to review and respond during this busy time, much appreciated. I will upload the updated version of the draft shortly. Regards, Greg On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:43 AM Ali Sajassi (sajassi) wrote: > > > Hi Greg, > > > > The changes look good. Thanks for taking care of my comments. > > > > Cheers, > > Ali > > > > *From: *Greg Mirsky > *Date: *Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 7:50 AM > *To: *Cisco Employee , BESS , " > bess-chairs@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Proposed updates to address comments to > draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover > > > > Dear Ali, > > my sincere apologies for being so terribly late to address your comments > at the BESS WG meeting in Montreal. Below are the updates I propose: > > OLD TEXT: > > Then The Downstream PE MAY > > initiate a switchover of the traffic from the Primary Upstream PE to > > the Standby Upstream PE. > > NEW TEXT: > > Then The Downstream PE MAY > > initiate a switchover of the traffic from the Primary Upstream PE to > > the Standby Upstream PE only if the Standby Upstream PE deemed > > available. The dedicated p2mp BFD session MAY monitor the state of > > the Standby Upstream PE. > > > > OLD TEXT: > > Whenever the state of the BFD session changes to Down the Provider > > Tunnel will be considered down, and the downstream PE will switch to > > the backup Provider Tunnel. > > NEW TEXT: > > Whenever the state of the BFD session changes to Down the Provider > > Tunnel will be considered down, and the downstream PE MAY switch to > > the backup Provider Tunnel only if the backup Provider Tunnel deemed > > available. The dedicated p2mp BFD session MAY monitor the state of > > the backup Provider Tunnel. > > > > Attached please find diff to highlight the update and the new version of > the draft. > > > > Kind regards, > > Greg > --0000000000009eaddf057a0bd052 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0Ali,
thank you for taking the time to review a= nd respond during this busy=C2=A0time, much appreciated. I will upload the = updated version of the draft shortly.

Regards,
Greg

On W= ed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:43 AM Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

Hi Greg,

=C2=A0

The changes look good. Thanks for taking care of my = comments.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Ali

=C2=A0

From= : Greg Mirsky <<= a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail= .com>
Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 7:50 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>, BESS <bess@ietf.org>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org<= /a>>
Subject: Proposed updates to address comments to draft-ietf-bess-mvp= n-fast-failover

=C2=A0

Dear Ali,

my sincere apologies for being so terribly late to a= ddress your comments at the BESS WG meeting in Montreal. Below are=C2=A0the= updates I propose:

OLD TEXT:

=C2=A0 Then The Downstream PE MAY

=C2=A0 =C2=A0initiate a switchover of the traffic fr= om the Primary Upstream PE to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0the Standby Upstream PE.<= /p>

NEW TEXT:

=C2=A0 Then The Downstream PE MAY

=C2=A0 =C2=A0initiate a switchover of the traffic fr= om the Primary Upstream PE to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0the Standby Upstream PE only if the Sta= ndby Upstream PE deemed

=C2=A0 =C2=A0available.=C2=A0 The dedicated p2mp BFD= session MAY monitor the state of

=C2=A0 =C2=A0the Standby Upstream PE.<= /p>

=C2=A0

OLD TEXT:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Whenever the state of the BFD session c= hanges to Down the Provider

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Tunnel will be considered down, and the= downstream PE will switch to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0the backup Provider Tunnel.

NEW TEXT:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Whenever the state of the BFD session c= hanges to Down the Provider

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Tunnel will be considered down, and the= downstream PE MAY switch to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0the backup Provider Tunnel only if the = backup Provider Tunnel deemed

=C2=A0 =C2=A0available.=C2=A0 The dedicated p2mp BFD= session MAY monitor the state of

=C2=A0 =C2=A0the backup Provider Tunnel.=C2=A0=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Attached please find diff=C2=A0to highlight the upda= te and the new version of the draft.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind regards,

Greg

--0000000000009eaddf057a0bd052-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 20:55:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CA5130DD1; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:55:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <154156650875.30729.14812056345188980450@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 20:55:08 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 04:55:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Multicast VPN fast upstream failover Authors : Thomas Morin Robert Kebler Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2018-11-06 Abstract: This document defines multicast VPN extensions and procedures that allow fast failover for upstream failures, by allowing downstream PEs to take into account the status of Provider-Tunnels (P-tunnels) when selecting the upstream PE for a VPN multicast flow, and extending BGP MVPN routing so that a C-multicast route can be advertised toward a standby upstream PE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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xioLljZL0R//2QA= --_004_166FCE7F9545408CA7C9EE4661D704D6junipernet_-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 00:25:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B28A128766; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:25:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephane Litkowski To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.88.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Mach Chen , iesg-secretary@ietf.org, mach.chen@huawei.com, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <154227031630.4153.14542086480725375551.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:25:16 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-06 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:25:16 -0000 Stephane Litkowski has requested publication of draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-06 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the BESS working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags/ From nobody Thu Nov 15 01:26:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62C3129C6A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:26:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CxU9rwr1IJ87 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 821A0126BED for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.9]) by opfedar23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 42wbZl6wG6zBsCT for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:26:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.32]) by opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 42wbZl66qdz5vNC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:26:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM32.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8924:188:2124:a046%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:26:07 +0100 From: To: "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Setting up a regular WG document status update Thread-Index: AdR8w1HMt8lwJxNbTvmF+u9WzyIFHQ== Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:26:07 +0000 Message-ID: <27850_1542273967_5BED3BAF_27850_357_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B74AF6E@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.2] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B74AF6EOPEXCLILMA4corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Setting up a regular WG document status update X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:26:12 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B74AF6EOPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, In order to help the WG documents progressing faster in the WG, we have dec= ided to request bi-monthly status update from editors of a WG document. We would like to get these status report before each IETF but also in betwe= en two IETF meetings. The status report should be sent at the following time: * November: 2 weeks before the IETF meeting * Mid-January * March: 2 weeks before the IETF meeting * Mid-May * July: 2 weeks before the IETF meeting * Mid-September We do not expect a very long text. Just few lines telling: * What is the current status * What are the next steps and associated ETAs * Is there a blocking point worth mentioning Our goal is really to help document progressing faster and encouraging work= in between IETF meetings. Brgds, Stephane & Matthew, ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi WG,

 

In order to help the WG documents progressing faster= in the WG, we have decided to request bi-monthly status update from editor= s of a WG document.

We would like to get these status report before each= IETF but also in between two IETF meetings.

 

The status report should be sent at the following ti= me:

·         November: 2 weeks before the IETF meeting

·         Mid-January

·         March: 2 weeks before the IETF meeting<= /o:p>

·         Mid-May

·         July: 2 weeks before the IETF meeting

·         Mid-September

 

We do not expect a very long text. Just few lines te= lling:

·         What is the current status

·         What are the next steps and associated ETAs<= o:p>

·         Is there a blocking point worth mentioning

 

Our goal is really to help document progressing fast= er and encouraging work in between IETF meetings.

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane & Matthew,

 

 

______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

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--_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B74AF6EOPEXCLILMA4corp_-- From nobody Thu Nov 15 01:38:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B585129C6A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:38:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.88.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154227471237.4255.13375144157004810512.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:38:32 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Milestones changed for bess WG X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:38:32 -0000 Deleted milestone "Submit specification of BGP-signaled end-system IP/VPNs to IESG as PS". Deleted milestone "Submit specification of BGP as an MVPN PE-CE protocol to IESG as PS". Changed milestone "Submit specification of a multicast VPN MIB to IESG as PS", resolved as "Done". Deleted milestone "Submit specifications for TRILL/E-VPN interoperability to IESG as PS". Changed milestone "Submit a Yang or SMI datamodel for RFC4364 to IESG as PS", set due date to January 2019 from June 2016. Changed milestone "Submit a Yang or SMI datamodel for E-VPN to IESG as PS", set due date to January 2019 from June 2016. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bess/about/ From nobody Thu Nov 15 03:59:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B11B126DBF for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 03:59:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.88.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154228319304.4120.18429676361246095367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 03:59:53 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Milestones changed for bess WG X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:59:53 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit specifications for VPLS multi-homing to IESG as PS", set due date to December 2018 from July 2015, added draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming to milestone. Changed milestone "Submit a Yang or SMI datamodel for RFC4364 to IESG as PS", added draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang to milestone. Changed milestone "Submit a Yang or SMI datamodel for E-VPN to IESG as PS", added draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang to milestone. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bess/about/ From nobody Thu Nov 15 06:27:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B733312D4EC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:27:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.88.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154229203074.4149.4856078826981102126.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:27:10 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Milestones changed for bess WG X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:27:11 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit a YANG datamodel for L2VPN to IESG as PS", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Submit specification for BGP NSH controlplane to IESG as PS", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Submit a YANG datamodel for mVPN to IESG as PS", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. 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[193.110.49.12]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g15sm97542663pfj.131.2018.11.19.12.44.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:44:31 -0800 (PST) From: Krzysztof Szarkowicz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D34330F5-C45A-4C0A-940E-26A6C9F635EA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:44:26 +0100 References: <9216_1533737011_5B6AF833_9216_196_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B2291F9@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <22856_1535963009_5B8CEF81_22856_75_2_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B27D8A4@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <29530BE0-D35C-4B19-A09D-F35EFD72FB96@cisco.com> To: "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <29530BE0-D35C-4B19-A09D-F35EFD72FB96@cisco.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] new WGLC for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 20:44:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D34330F5-C45A-4C0A-940E-26A6C9F635EA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Authors, When the next rev of the draft is expected? Regards, Krzysztof > On 2018-Sep-04, at 07:20, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) = wrote: >=20 > =20 > We=E2=80=99ll resolve/incorporate the comments and we=E2=80=99ll = publish a new rev. > =20 > Regards, > Ali > =20 > From: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com = " > > Date: Monday, September 3, 2018 at 1:23 AM > To: "bess@ietf.org " >, = "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding@ietf.org = " = > > Subject: RE: new WGLC for = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 > Resent-From: > > Resent-To: Cisco Employee >, >, = >, >, > > Resent-Date: Monday, September 3, 2018 at 1:23 AM > =20 > The document has a good level of support to progress. However there = are several comments raised that have not been answered yet. <> > =20 > Authors, > =20 > Could you please address the comments that have been raised on the = list (from Acee, Krysztof, and Luc Andre) ? > =20 > =20 > Thanks, > =20 > Stephane > =20 > =20 > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of = stephane.litkowski@orange.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 16:04 > To: bess@ietf.org > Subject: [bess] new WGLC for = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 > =20 > Hello working group, > =20 > This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 [1]. > =20 > A significant amount of update has been introduced since the previous = WGLC. Please review the updates and provide your feedback. > =20 > This poll runs until *the 22th of August*. > =20 > =20 > Thank you > =20 > St=C3=A9phane, Matthew > bess chairs > =20 > [1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forward= ing/ = > =20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ > =20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, = deforme ou falsifie. 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When the next rev of the draft is expected?

Regards,
Krzysztof


On = 2018-Sep-04, at 07:20, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

 
We=E2=80=99= ll resolve/incorporate the comments and we=E2=80=99ll publish a new = rev.
 
Regards,
Ali
 
From: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com"= <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
Date: Monday, September 3, = 2018 at 1:23 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding@ietf.org" = <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding@ietf.org>Subject: RE: new WGLC for = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding-05
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Authors,
 
Could you = please address the comments that have been raised on the list (from = Acee, Krysztof, and Luc Andre) ?
 
 
Thanks,
 
Stephane
 
 
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Hi Stephane,

I am not aware of any other IPR except the disclosed one.

 

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

 

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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evp= n-aggregation-label-01

Hi WG,

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This ema= il begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzhang-bess= -mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1]

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Please r= eview the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, stati= ng whether or not you support adoption.

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We are a= lso polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Docum= ent, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rule= s (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you a= re listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to= this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undis= closed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contr= ibutors.

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If you a= re not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond= only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in confor= mance with IETF rules.

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The poll= for working group adoption closes on Tue 13th November.  <= /span>

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Regards,=

St=A8=A6= phane and Matthew

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-la= bel/

 

 

 

 

 

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boundary="_000_DB5PR0301MB19098C6E2724A685CA5EC4839DD90DB5PR0301MB1909_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ecitele.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9a427b57-c7dd-4cc2-d4f0-08d64ef274f8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Nov 2018 14:14:16.9078 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 2c514a61-08de-4519-b4c0-921fef62c42a X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB5PR0301MB2086 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Ingress and Egress PE in draft-ietf-bess-inter-subnet-forwarding-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:14:30 -0000 --_000_DB5PR0301MB19098C6E2724A685CA5EC4839DD90DB5PR0301MB1909_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, It seems that the Ingress and Egress PEs in Section 3.2 "Symmetric IRB - = Procedures" are used inconsistently - In the control plane sections (3.2.1 and 3.2.2) Ingress PE is t= he PE that locally learns a MAC/IP pair and advertises the relevant EVPN M= AC/IP Advertisement Route, while the Egress PE receives this route and ins= talls it - In the data plane sections Ingress PE is the PE that receives a= n Ethernet frame and handles it in accordance with the installed MAC/IP Ad= vertisement route (i.e., the egress PE from the control plane POV),, while= egress PE is the PE that receives an EVPN-encapsulated packet and handle= s it (i.e. the Ingress PE for the control plane POV). May I suggest to use these notions consistently so that routes are distrib= uted from Egress PE to Ingress PE while traffic flows from Ingress PE to E= gress PE? From my POV, this would be aligned with the way these terms are = used, say, in RFC 4364 and RFC 7432. Do I misunderstand something? Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com __________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains inform= ation which is=20 CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Hi all,

It seems that the  Ingress and Egress PEs in S= ection 3.2 “Symmetric IRB – Procedures” are used inconsi= stently

-     = ;     In the control plane sect= ions (3.2.1 and 3.2.2) Ingress PE is the PE that locally learns a MAC/IP p= air and advertises the relevant EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement Route, while the= Egress PE receives this route and installs it

-     = ;     In the data plane section= s Ingress PE is the PE that receives an Ethernet frame and handles it in a= ccordance with the installed MAC/IP Advertisement route (i.e., the egress = PE from the control plane POV),, while egress PE is the PE that receives an EVPN-encapsulated  packet and h= andles it (i.e. the Ingress=20PE for the control plane POV).

 

May I suggest to use these notions consistently so = that routes are distributed from Egress PE to Ingress PE while traffic flo= ws from Ingress PE to Egress PE? From my POV, this would be aligned with t= he way these terms are used, say, in RFC 4364 and RFC 7432.

 

Do I misunderstand something?

 

Regards,

Sasha

 

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-mvp= n-fast-failover-04 [1] This poll runs until *the 6th of December*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. Currently two IPRs have been disclosed against this Document. If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. Thank you, Stephane & Matthew [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover/ [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjq= Dpw ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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Hello Working Group,

   

This email starts a two-week Working Group Last C= all on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04  [1]

 

This poll runs until *the 6th of December*.<= /o:p>

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo= sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose= d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for= more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o= f this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not yo= u are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress wi= thout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

Currently two IPRs have been disclosed against th= is Document.

 

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

We are also polling for any existing implementati= on as per [2].

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Matthew

 

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover/

 

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= o:p>

 

 
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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:49:44 -0000 Hi Working Group, First of all many thanks to Rob and Greg who did all the most for the last iterations of this drafts. On 22/11/2018 08:54, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document > please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware > of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without > answers from all the Authors and Contributors. Not aware of any such IPR. > We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. > Some of my co-authors working for router vendors will I expect provide information on existing implementations. 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 02:47:41 -0000 --00000000000005ef64057b885b55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Stephane, et al., I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft other than already disclosed. RE: implementation status In Q1 of 2019, ZTE will release a product that includes support of this draft. Regards, Greg On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 11:54 PM wrote: > Hello Working Group, > > > > This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04 [1] > > > > This poll runs until *the 6th of December*. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from > all the Authors and Contributors. > > > > Currently two IPRs have been disclosed against this Document. > > > > If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. > > > > Thank you, > > Stephane & Matthew > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover/ > > > > [2] > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Stephane, et al.,
I'm not aware of any IPR rela= ted to this draft other than already disclosed.

RE= : implementation status
In Q1 of 2019, ZTE will release a product= that includes support of this draft.

Regards,
Greg

On W= ed, Nov 21, 2018 at 11:54 PM <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

Hello Working Group,<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

This email starts a two-week= Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04 =C2=A0[1]=

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This poll runs until *the 6t= h of December*.

=C2=A0

We are also polling for know= ledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that = IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 48= 79, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an Auth= or or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and indic= ate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Docum= ent won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

=C2=A0

Currently two IPRs have been= disclosed against this Document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an = Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are awa= re of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rule= s.

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We are also polling for any = existing implementation as per [2].

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Than= k you,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Stephane = & Matthew

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover/=

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= u>

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Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou =
falsifie. Merci.

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--00000000000005ef64057b885b55-- From nobody Mon Nov 26 06:05:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5CC130DE0; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:05:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o5yxMg7lNgfm; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99C10130DDF; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82cca7000f4de2eeff067dbba.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2cca:7000:f4de:2eef:f067:dbba]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1gRHU8-0002wC-Ak; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:03:36 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <8de86550-39cd-8c4c-75ba-8e7a033fc907@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:03:34 +0100 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <154038410206.6927.15775732681687781010.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8de86550-39cd-8c4c-75ba-8e7a033fc907@juniper.net> To: Eric Rosen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1543241093;33607e68; X-HE-SMSGID: 1gRHU8-0002wC-Ak Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-?= =?utf-8?q?bess-mvpn-expl-track-12=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:05:02 -0000 Hi Eric, thanks for your detailed reply. Please see below. > Am 15.11.2018 um 19:07 schrieb Eric Rosen : >=20 > On 10/24/2018 8:28 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> In section 9 (security considerations): >> Thanks for discussing network load here! However, I find this = sentence a bit >> unsatisfactory: >> =E2=80=9EThe specification of counter-measures for this problem is = outside the scope >> of this document.=E2=80=9C >> Isn=E2=80=99t there any easy way to make some more recommendations = for counter measures >> that could be discussed here? E.g. implement some rate limiting or = filtering. >> Or only accept LIR-PF request from preconfigured hosts (given that = LIR-PF >> support must anyway be pre-configured)? I=E2=80=99m not an expert on = this topic and >> therefore don=E2=80=99t know if any of such recommendations make = sense, however, I >> would quickly like to discuss if it is potentially possible to say = more than >> what=E2=80=99s current said. Thanks! >=20 > These particular suggestions don't really work in this context. >=20 > - The set of Provider Edge routers (PEs) that attach to a given VPN is=20= > always auto-discovered, never pre-configured. That's an important = part=20 > of the L3VPN value proposition. There are already mechanisms in = place=20 > to ensure that the S-PMSI A-D route gets sent only to the proper set = of=20 > egress PEs. Also, a properly functioning egress PE will only respond=20= > with a Leaf A-D route if it has already auto-discovered the ingress = PE. =20 > (You might want to question the security of the L3VPN mechanisms, but=20= > that would certainly be outside the scope of this document .) >=20 > - Rate limiting the generation of Leaf A-D routes wouldn't work, = because=20 > the problem is not that one PE generates too many, but that too many = PEs=20 > may generate them. Rate limiting the processing of received Leaf A-D=20= > routes is also problematic. In normal operation, you might correctly=20= > get a whole bunch of them in quick succession, and if you don't = process=20 > them in a timely manner, the customers will see a high multicast "join=20= > latency". >=20 > In the particular sort of attack mentioned in the Security=20 > Considerations section, an ingress PE originates an S-PMSI A-D route=20= > with LIR-pF clear, but somehow the bit gets set before the route is=20 > received by the egress PEs. As Alvaro has suggested, if an attacker=20= > can modify the control messages, quite a bit of havoc can result, and=20= > the particular attack under discussion is just one of many that can=20 > occur if the control plane is not secure. I can certainly put in a=20 > reference to RFCS 6192 and 7454 (as Alvaro suggests), if you think = that=20 > is helpful. Properly protecting the control plane should prevent this=20= > kind of attack. Okay, then I would simply suggest to say this ("Properly protecting the = control plane should prevent this kind of attack=E2=80=9C) instead of = just calling it out of scope. >=20 > In the event such an attack occurs, mitigating it is unfortunately not=20= > very straightforward. The ingress node can take note of the fact that=20= > it is getting Leaf A-D routes with LIR-pF set, in response to an = S-PMSI=20 > A-D route with LIR-pF clear. Withdrawing the S-PMSI A-D route could = put=20 > a stop to the attack. However, there are a few problems with this: >=20 > - Under normal operation, there are some race conditions that may = cause=20 > the ingress node to think it is being attacked, when in fact it is = not. >=20 > - If some egress nodes have a bug that causes them to set LIR-pF when = it=20 > should be clear, withdrawing the S-PMSI A-D route will stop the flow = of=20 > multicast data traffic to all the egress nodes, causing an unnecessary=20= > customer-visible disruption. >=20 > - The same situation that caused the S-PMSI A-D route to be originated=20= > in the first place will still exist after the S-PMSI A-D route is=20 > withdrawn, so the route will just be re-originated. >=20 > In other words, any action that would ameliorate the effects of this=20= > sort of attack would have a negative effect during normal operation. =20= > Therefore it is really better to rely on security mechanisms that=20 > protect the control plane generally, rather than having a mechanism = that=20 > is focused on this one particular type of attack. This suggest that there is no good counter measure which would be more = appropriate to say instead of calling it out of scope. I think it could = even be helpful to add some of your explanation above to the security = consideration section (instead of leaving this as an exercise to the = reader). >=20 > We could say that if an ingress PE receives a Leaf A-D route with = LIR-pF=20 > set, and that route is a response to an S-PMSI A-D route that did not=20= > have LIR-pF set, the event MUST be logged. This would generate some=20= > noise in the log during normal operation, but could provide at least a=20= > hint that an attack is occurring. I think this would be a good recommendation. I guess it actually does = have to be a MUST, or you could say something like MUST be logged by = default but can be configured differently if the protection mechanism = used for the control plan is monitored. As I said, I=E2=80=99m really no = expert here and you need to decide if that makes any sense though. Mirja >=20 > What do you think? >=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Some other minor comments: >> 1) section 2: =E2=80=9EUse of this flag in the PTA carried by other = route types is outside >> the scope of this document. Use of this flag in the PTA carried = by >> an S-PMSI A-D routes whose NLRI does not contain a wildcard is >> outside the scope of this document.=E2=80=9C >> Maybe you also want to say something like =E2=80=9EThe flag SHOULD be = ignored in these cases.=E2=80=9C..? >=20 > Agreed. >=20 >>=20 >> 2) section 3 >> s/The result (if any) is the match for tracking=E2=80=9C/The result = (if any) is the =E2=80=9Cmatch for tracking=E2=80=9C/ >> (missing quotes) >=20 > Fixed in the next revision. From nobody Mon Nov 26 08:39:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B43130DD2 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:39:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pOCRPEH3184A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2714130DCF for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.9]) by opfedar24.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 433Xgy07nnz5wS7 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:39:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.42]) by opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 433Xgx5DBjz5vNB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:39:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM41.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::c845:f762:8997:ec86%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:39:39 +0100 From: To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 Thread-Index: AdRwKWwO40SljUpzQ4CkoTLADFNCoQLINimQApcOAwA= Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:39:39 +0000 Message-ID: <19413_1543250381_5BFC21CD_19413_134_3_4ccc5ba9-a17a-4393-8def-75d58502b605@OPEXCLILM41.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <12866_1540887721_5BD814A9_12866_117_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B735BC6@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <3191_1542111427_5BEAC0C3_3191_207_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B7491FF@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <3191_1542111427_5BEAC0C3_3191_207_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924B7491FF@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_4ccc5ba9a17a43938def75d58502b605OPEXCLILM41corporateadr_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:39:47 -0000 --_004_4ccc5ba9a17a43938def75d58502b605OPEXCLILM41corporateadr_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4ccc5ba9a17a43938def75d58502b605OPEXCLILM41corporateadr_" --_000_4ccc5ba9a17a43938def75d58502b605OPEXCLILM41corporateadr_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We have now all the IPR replies. Authors, Please publish the document as draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-= 00 Thanks ! From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 13:17 To: bess@ietf.org; lizhenbin@huawei.com; Wen Lin Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggreg= ation-label-01 We have a good level of support for this document. The document is adopted as a WG document. However we are missing IPR replies from: lizhenbin@huawei.com and wlin@juniper.net We must clear this before proceeding. From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@o= range.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 09:22 To: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregatio= n-label-01 Hi WG, This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzh= ang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1] Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t, stating whether or not you support adoption. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr= ess without answers from all the authors and contributors. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. The poll for working group adoption closes on Tue 13th November. Regards, St=E9phane and Matthew [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregatio= n-label/ [Orange logo] Stephane Litkowski Network Architect Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET Orange Expert Future Networks phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83 NEW ! mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 NEW ! stephane.litkowski@orange.com ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Hi,<= /p>

 

We have now all the IP= R replies.

 

Authors,

 

Please publish the doc= ument as draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-00

 

 

Thanks !

 

From: BESS [ma= ilto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 13:17
To: bess@ietf.org; lizhenbin@huawei.com; Wen Lin
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn= -aggregation-label-01

 

We have a good level o= f support for this document.

The document is adopte= d as a WG document.

 

However we are missing= IPR replies from: lizhenbin@huawei.com and wlin@juniper.net<= /p>

 

We must clear this bef= ore proceeding.

 

 

From: BESS [ma= ilto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 09:22
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-agg= regation-label-01

 

Hi WG,

 

This emai= l begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzhang-bess-= mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1]

 

Please re= view the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list, statin= g whether or not you support adoption.

 

We are al= so polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Docume= nt, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules= (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you ar= e listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to = this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisc= losed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contr= ibutors.

 

If you ar= e not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond = only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conform= ance with IETF rules.

 

The poll = for working group adoption closes on Tue 13th November.  

 

Regards,<= /span>

St=E9phan= e and Matthew

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-la= bel/

 

 

 

 

 

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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : MVPN/EVPN Tunnel Aggregation with Common Labels Authors : Zhaohui Zhang Eric Rosen Wen Lin Zhenbin Li IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2018-11-26 Abstract: The MVPN specifications allow a single Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) tunnel to carry traffic of multiple VPNs. The EVPN specifications allow a single P2MP tunnel to carry traffic of multiple Broadcast Domains (BDs). These features require the ingress router of the P2MP tunnel to allocate an upstream-assigned MPLS label for each VPN or for each BD. A packet sent on a P2MP tunnel then carries the label that is mapped to its VPN or BD. (In some cases, a distinct upstream-assigned is needed for each flow.) Since each ingress router allocates labels independently, with no coordination among the ingress routers, the egress routers may need to keep track of a large number of labels. The number of labels may need to be as large (or larger) than the product of the number of ingress routers times the number of VPNs or BDs. However, the number of labels can be greatly reduced if the association between a label and a VPN or BD is made by provisioning, so that all ingress routers assign the same label to a particular VPN or BD. New procedures are needed in order to take advantage of such provisioned labels. These new procedures also apply to Multipoint-to-Multipoint (MP2MP) tunnels. This document updates RFCs 6514, 7432 and 7582 by specifying the necessary procedures. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Nov 27 15:12:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CF9128CFD; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:12:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <154336035047.11797.2289748097305229310@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:12:30 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-05.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:12:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : (PBB-)EVPN Seamless Integration with (PBB-)VPLS Authors : Ali Sajassi Samer Salam Nick Del Regno Jorge Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2018-11-27 Abstract: This draft specifies procedures for backward compatibility of Ethernet VPN (EVPN) and Provider Backbone Bridge Ethernet VPN (PBB- EVPN) solutions with Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) and Provider Backbone Bridge VPLS (PBB-VPLS) solutions (PBB-)VPLS. It also provides mechanisms for seamless integration of these two technologies in the same MPLS/IP network on a per-VPN-instance basis. Implementation of this draft enables service providers to introduce (PBB-)EVPN PEs in their brown-field deployments of (PBB-)VPLS networks. 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no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154341952893.13538.12668821812267247378@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 07:38:48 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:38:59 -0000 Dear Adrian Farrel, John Drake, Eric C. Rosen, Jim Uttaro, Luay Jalil: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC" (draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3347/). 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BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:27:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Explicit Tracking with Wild Card Routes in Multicast VPN Authors : Andrew Dolganow Jayant Kotalwar Eric C. Rosen Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2018-11-28 Abstract: The Multicast VPN (MVPN) specifications provide procedures to allow a multicast ingress node to invoke "explicit tracking" for a multicast flow or set of flows, thus learning the egress nodes for that flow or set of flows. However, the specifications are not completely clear about how the explicit tracking procedures work in certain scenarios. This document provides the necessary clarifications. It also specifies a new, optimized explicit tracking procedure. This new procedure allows an ingress node, by sending a single message, to request explicit tracking of each of a set of flows, where the set of flows is specified using a wildcard mechanism. This document updates RFCs 6514, 6625, 7524, 7582, and 7900. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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We have an implementation of this draft. Thanks, Bob From: BESS On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c= om Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 2:54 AM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-= fast-failover Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-mvp= n-fast-failover-04 [1] This poll runs until *the 6th of December*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. Currently two IPRs have been disclosed against this Document. 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Hi,

I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR related to = this draft.

 

We have an implementation of this draft.

 

Thanks,

Bob

 

 

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 2:54 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bes= s-mvpn-fast-failover

 

Hello Working Group,

   

This email starts a two-week Working Group Last C= all on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04  [1]

 

This poll runs until *the 6th of December*.<= /o:p>

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo= sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose= d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for= more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o= f this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not yo= u are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress wi= thout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

Currently two IPRs have been disclosed against th= is Document.

 

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

We are also polling for any existing implementati= on as per [2].

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Matthew

 

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover/

 

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= o:p>

 

 
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Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:30:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, stephane.litkowski@orange.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154349825223.25943.3355823370057541768.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:30:52 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-?= =?utf-8?q?ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:30:52 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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From nobody Thu Nov 29 05:31:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5C7130DEF; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:31:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oC_Fx42rbe7A; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB77E130DE9; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 05:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82c022b00b8014013f5d28ee1.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2c02:2b00:b801:4013:f5d2:8ee1]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1gSMPO-0000uS-Lu; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:31:10 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <86feca33-cabe-8826-5a34-84bac5556baa@juniper.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:31:09 +0100 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6A0D5792-665A-4B96-BC65-7D4876B39D31@kuehlewind.net> References: <154038410206.6927.15775732681687781010.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8de86550-39cd-8c4c-75ba-8e7a033fc907@juniper.net> <86feca33-cabe-8826-5a34-84bac5556baa@juniper.net> To: Eric Rosen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1543498273;abadf722; X-HE-SMSGID: 1gSMPO-0000uS-Lu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-?= =?utf-8?q?bess-mvpn-expl-track-12=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:31:17 -0000 Thanks you very much! Just cleared my discuss! > Am 28.11.2018 um 17:31 schrieb Eric Rosen : >=20 > Mirja, >=20 > I believe draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13 addresses your issues. I=20= > have expanded the Security Considerations section per your = suggestions,=20 > which IMO are all very reasonable. >=20 > Please let me know whether this is satisfactory. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Eric >=20 > On 11/26/2018 9:03 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: >> Hi Eric, >>=20 >> thanks for your detailed reply. Please see below. >>=20 >>> Am 15.11.2018 um 19:07 schrieb Eric Rosen : >>>=20 >>> On 10/24/2018 8:28 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind wrote: >>>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> DISCUSS: >>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>=20 >>>> In section 9 (security considerations): >>>> Thanks for discussing network load here! However, I find this = sentence a bit >>>> unsatisfactory: >>>> =E2=80=9EThe specification of counter-measures for this problem = is outside the scope >>>> of this document.=E2=80=9C >>>> Isn=E2=80=99t there any easy way to make some more recommendations = for counter measures >>>> that could be discussed here? E.g. implement some rate limiting or = filtering. >>>> Or only accept LIR-PF request from preconfigured hosts (given that = LIR-PF >>>> support must anyway be pre-configured)? I=E2=80=99m not an expert = on this topic and >>>> therefore don=E2=80=99t know if any of such recommendations make = sense, however, I >>>> would quickly like to discuss if it is potentially possible to say = more than >>>> what=E2=80=99s current said. Thanks! >>> These particular suggestions don't really work in this context. >>>=20 >>> - The set of Provider Edge routers (PEs) that attach to a given VPN = is >>> always auto-discovered, never pre-configured. That's an important = part >>> of the L3VPN value proposition. There are already mechanisms in = place >>> to ensure that the S-PMSI A-D route gets sent only to the proper set = of >>> egress PEs. Also, a properly functioning egress PE will only = respond >>> with a Leaf A-D route if it has already auto-discovered the ingress = PE. >>> (You might want to question the security of the L3VPN mechanisms, = but >>> that would certainly be outside the scope of this document .) >>>=20 >>> - Rate limiting the generation of Leaf A-D routes wouldn't work, = because >>> the problem is not that one PE generates too many, but that too many = PEs >>> may generate them. Rate limiting the processing of received Leaf = A-D >>> routes is also problematic. In normal operation, you might = correctly >>> get a whole bunch of them in quick succession, and if you don't = process >>> them in a timely manner, the customers will see a high multicast = "join >>> latency". >>>=20 >>> In the particular sort of attack mentioned in the Security >>> Considerations section, an ingress PE originates an S-PMSI A-D route >>> with LIR-pF clear, but somehow the bit gets set before the route is >>> received by the egress PEs. As Alvaro has suggested, if an = attacker >>> can modify the control messages, quite a bit of havoc can result, = and >>> the particular attack under discussion is just one of many that can >>> occur if the control plane is not secure. I can certainly put in a >>> reference to RFCS 6192 and 7454 (as Alvaro suggests), if you think = that >>> is helpful. Properly protecting the control plane should prevent = this >>> kind of attack. >> Okay, then I would simply suggest to say this ("Properly protecting = the control plane should prevent this kind of attack=E2=80=9C) instead = of just calling it out of scope. >>=20 >>> In the event such an attack occurs, mitigating it is unfortunately = not >>> very straightforward. The ingress node can take note of the fact = that >>> it is getting Leaf A-D routes with LIR-pF set, in response to an = S-PMSI >>> A-D route with LIR-pF clear. Withdrawing the S-PMSI A-D route could = put >>> a stop to the attack. However, there are a few problems with this: >>>=20 >>> - Under normal operation, there are some race conditions that may = cause >>> the ingress node to think it is being attacked, when in fact it is = not. >>>=20 >>> - If some egress nodes have a bug that causes them to set LIR-pF = when it >>> should be clear, withdrawing the S-PMSI A-D route will stop the flow = of >>> multicast data traffic to all the egress nodes, causing an = unnecessary >>> customer-visible disruption. >>>=20 >>> - The same situation that caused the S-PMSI A-D route to be = originated >>> in the first place will still exist after the S-PMSI A-D route is >>> withdrawn, so the route will just be re-originated. >>>=20 >>> In other words, any action that would ameliorate the effects of this >>> sort of attack would have a negative effect during normal operation. >>> Therefore it is really better to rely on security mechanisms that >>> protect the control plane generally, rather than having a mechanism = that >>> is focused on this one particular type of attack. >> This suggest that there is no good counter measure which would be = more appropriate to say instead of calling it out of scope. I think it = could even be helpful to add some of your explanation above to the = security consideration section (instead of leaving this as an exercise = to the reader). >>=20 >>> We could say that if an ingress PE receives a Leaf A-D route with = LIR-pF >>> set, and that route is a response to an S-PMSI A-D route that did = not >>> have LIR-pF set, the event MUST be logged. This would generate some >>> noise in the log during normal operation, but could provide at least = a >>> hint that an attack is occurring. >> I think this would be a good recommendation. I guess it actually does = have to be a MUST, or you could say something like MUST be logged by = default but can be configured differently if the protection mechanism = used for the control plan is monitored. As I said, I=E2=80=99m really no = expert here and you need to decide if that makes any sense though. >>=20 >> Mirja >>=20 >>=20 >>> What do you think? >>>=20 >>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> COMMENT: >>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>=20 >>>> Some other minor comments: >>>> 1) section 2: =E2=80=9EUse of this flag in the PTA carried by = other route types is outside >>>> the scope of this document. Use of this flag in the PTA carried = by >>>> an S-PMSI A-D routes whose NLRI does not contain a wildcard is >>>> outside the scope of this document.=E2=80=9C >>>> Maybe you also want to say something like =E2=80=9EThe flag SHOULD = be ignored in these cases.=E2=80=9C..? >>> Agreed. >>>=20 >>>> 2) section 3 >>>> s/The result (if any) is the match for tracking=E2=80=9C/The result = (if any) is the =E2=80=9Cmatch for tracking=E2=80=9C/ >>>> (missing quotes) >>> Fixed in the next revision. >=20 From nobody Thu Nov 29 14:05:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396F9124408; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:05:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, stephane.litkowski@orange.com, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154352912422.26019.11045526919398221329.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:05:24 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 22:05:24 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-13: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for addressing my original DISCUSS point! The updates in the -13 include new Updates headers for RFCs 7582 and 7900, which may or may not call for additional IESG eyes on the changes. Just from looking at the diff, it's not entirely clear to me what about those documents is being updated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [original COMMENT section preserved, though I believe that they have all been addressed via email clarification or in the -13] Section 1 This document clarifies the procedures for originating and receiving S-PMSI A-D routes and Leaf A-D routes. This document also adds new procedures to allow more efficient explicit tracking. The procedures being clarified and/or extended are discussed in multiple places in the documents being updated. This is in effect saying to the reader, "you must read the updated document(s) in their entirety and decide for yourself whether a procedure being updated is described", which is perhaps not the most friendly thing to be doing. Section 2 If the LIR-pF flag is set in the PTA of an S-PMSI A-D route, the LIR flag of that PTA MUST also be set. What do I do if I receive a PTA in violation of the MUST? Note that support for the LIR-pF flag is OPTIONAL. This flag SHOULD NOT be set unless it is known that all the PEs that are to receive the route carrying the PTA support the flag. How this is known is outside the scope of this document. Maybe remind us what a PE that doesn't support this flag will do if it happens to receive a PTA with it set? (I see discussion below of the state at the ingress node in this case, but not an explicit confirmation of what egress nodes do.) It would also be nice to give non-normative examples of how a sender might know that receivers support the flag. Section 3 The rules for finding a "match for reception" in [RFC6625] are hereby modified as follows: Maybe give a section reference too? (Especially since 6625 does not use the abbreviated version we define here, and instead writes "Finding the Match for Data Reception".) For a given C-flow ((C-S,C-G) or (C-*,C-G)) the "match for tracking" is chosen as follows. Ignore any S-PMSI A-D route that has no PTA. Also ignore any S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies "no tunnel information present", but does not have either LIR or LIR-pF set. (That is, DO NOT ignore an S-PMSI A-D route that has I think this would be clearer as "and has neither LIR nor LIR-pF set" -- the "but" can easily lead the reader astray. a PTA specifying "no tunnel information present" unless its LIR and LIR-pF bits are both clear). [...] Note that the procedure for finding the match for tracking takes into account S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify "no tunnel information present" and that have either LIR or LIR-pf set. The procedure for finding the match for reception ignores such routes. Why are we talking about this like LIR and LIR-pF can be set independently, when just last page we said that if LIR-pF is set, LIR MUST be set? Section 4 Please expand I-PMSI on first usage. When following this procedure, the PTA of the S-PMSI A-D route may specify a tunnel, or may specify "no tunnel information present". The choice between these two options is determined by considerations that are outside the scope of this document. Could you give some examples of what sort of things might be involved in making that choice? Section 5.3 Suppose the forwarded S-PMSI A-D route has a PTA specifying a tunnel, and also has LIR-pF set. [...] nit: is this this "route being forwarded" (i.e., where the ABR/ASBR acts as egress) or the "after forwarding route" (i.e., where the ABR/ASBR acts as ingress)? As a result of propagating such an S-PMSI A-D route, the egress ABR/ ASBR may receive one or more Leaf A-D routes that correspond to that S-PMSI A-D route. [...] Just to check my understanding (no document change requested), this correspondance is determined by the NLRI in the Leaf A-D route matching the NLRI from the S-PMSI A-D route? The "global administrator" field of the modified RT will be set to the IP address taken either from the S-PMSI A-D route's next hop field ([RFC6514]), or from its Segmented P2MP Next Hop Extended Community ([RFC7524]). How do I choose which one to use? Section 6 then the action taken by N when it receives L is a local matter. In this case, the Leaf A-D route L provides N with explicit tracking information for the flow identified by L's NLRI. However, that information is for management/monitoring purposes and does not have an effect on the flow of multicast traffic. I would prefer to say "does not necessarily have an effect". Section 9 I agree with the secdir reviewer that some mitigation for the new problem indicated is appropriate. (Some justification for why the problem is insoluble in the scope of this document might also suffice.) Additionally, it seems that the mechanisms here can require more state to be maintained in the SP network than a pure 6513/6514 solution would, and that could be worth mentioning (along the lines of 6513's mention of the potential for overload when multicast activity exceeds expectations). Similarly, additional implementation limitations may be advisable. 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On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 07:43:31PM +0000, Eric Rosen wrote: > > On 10/22/2018 9:41 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This document places normative requirements on new tunnel types but does > > not indicate this in a way that someone specifying a new tunnel type would > > be forced to see. This occurs both in Section 5.2: > > > > o When additional tunnel types are defined, the specification for > > how MVPN is to use those tunnel types must also specify how to > > construct the PTA of a Leaf A-D route that is originated in > > response to the LIR-pF flag. As an example, see [BIER-MVPN]. > > > > and in Section 6: > > > > If L's PTA specifies a tunnel type not mentioned above, the > > specification for how MVPN uses that tunnel type must specify the > > actions that N is to take upon receiving L. As an example, see > > [BIER-MVPN]. > > > > I think the best way to do this would be to have IANA Considerations > > updating the registration procedure for > > P-Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel Type codepoints to note that > > new registrations must include this information. It might also suffice to > > call out the existence of these requirements in the portion of the > > Introduction that discusses how this document Updates RFC 6514 (though, per > > the COMMENT section, this portion of the Introduction doesn't exist in a > > good form yet). > > > > Thank you for providing the BIER example, though -- it is helpful to see > > how the requirement plays out in practice! > > Well, let me make a counter-proposal :-) > > In section 2, I'd like to add the following text: > > Use of the LIR-pF flag in a PTA whose tunnel type is not one of the >    types listed in Section 5 of [RFC6514] is outside the scope of this >    document.  Presumably, if an additional tunnel type is used, there >    will be a specification for how that tunnel type is used in MVPN.  If >    it is desired to use that tunnel type along with the LIR-pF flag, >    that specification will have to specify the rules for using the LIR- >    pF flag with that tunnel type.  As an example, see [BIER-MVPN].  In >    the absence of such a specification, the LIR-pF flag SHOULD NOT be >    set in a PTA that specifies that tunnel type, and its value SHOULD be >    ignored. > > And for section 5.2: > > o  If the tunnel type of the PTA attached to the match for tracking/ >       reception is any other tunnel type, the rules for constructing the >       PTA of a Leaf A-D route that is originated in response to the >       LIR-pF flag are outside the scope of this document. Presumably >       there will be a specification for how that tunnel type is used in >       MVPN.  If it is desired to use that tunnel type along with the >       LIR-pF flag, that specification will have to specify the rules for >       constructing the PTA.  As an example, see [BIER-MVPN].  In the >       absence of such a specification, the LIR-pF flag in a PTA >       specifying that tunnel type SHOULD be ignored. > > (The context will make it clear that "any other tunnel type" is "any > tunnel type not mentioned in Section 5 of RFC 6514".) > > And for section 6: > > If L's PTA specifies a tunnel type not mentioned above, presumably >    there is a specification for how MVPN uses that tunnel type.  If the >    LIR-pF flag is to be used with that tunnel type, that specification >    must specify the actions that N is to take upon receiving L.  As an >    example, see [BIER-MVPN].  In the absence of such a specification, >    the LIR-pF flag SHOULD BE ignored. > > > (The context will make it clear that "a tunnel type not mentioned above" > is "any tunnel type not mentioned in Section 5 of RFC 6514".) > > I think that these passages address your issue.  If someone wants to use > a new tunnel type with MVPN and they don't care about the LIR-pF flag, > then they don't have to do anything, and the flag will be ignored.  If > they do care about LIR-pF, then they'll look at this document and see > just what they need to specify. > > What do you think? That's a fine counter-proposal; I've updated my ballot position accordingly (but we may need more discussion about the Updates: 7582 7900 headers). I also appreciate the discussion and updates with regards to my comments below, and I don't have any additional comments about them. Thanks again! -Benjamin > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Section 1 > > > > This document clarifies the procedures for originating and receiving > > S-PMSI A-D routes and Leaf A-D routes. This document also adds new > > procedures to allow more efficient explicit tracking. The procedures > > being clarified and/or extended are discussed in multiple places in > > the documents being updated. > > > > This is in effect saying to the reader, "you must read the updated > > document(s) in their entirety and decide for yourself whether a procedure > > being updated is described", which is perhaps not the most friendly thing > > to be doing. > > Your point is well-taken, but unfortunately RFC 6514 is not organized in > a manner  that makes it really feasible to point out each place that > might be relevant.  If I tried to find every place in RFC 6514 that > might be affected, I'd probably end up omitting a few, and that would > introduce a bug into the document. > > If someone is adding LIR-pF support to an existing implementation, this > is not really a big problem, because they just have to find the places > in their code where the S-PMSI and Leaf A-D routes are handled. > > > > > Section 2 > > > > If the LIR-pF flag is set in the PTA of an S-PMSI A-D route, the LIR > > flag of that PTA MUST also be set. > > > > What do I do if I receive a PTA in violation of the MUST? > > I've change the above text to: > > If the LIR-pF flag is set in the PTA of an S-PMSI A-D route, the >    originator of that route MUST also set the LIR flag.  If the PTA of a >    received wildcard S-PMSI A-D route has LIR-pF set but does not have >    LIR set, the receiver MUST log the fact that the flags appear to have >    been improperly set.  However, the route MUST then be processed >    normally (as if both flags were set), as specified in this document. > > (The reason for setting both flags is that it helps you to detect the > presence of an egress node that doesn't support LIR-pF.  But if a > receiving node supports LIR-pF, it doesn't really matter if LIR is set > or not, so there's no reason to do anything more than log the issue.) > > > > > Note that support for the LIR-pF flag is OPTIONAL. This flag SHOULD > > NOT be set unless it is known that all the PEs that are to receive > > the route carrying the PTA support the flag. How this is known is > > outside the scope of this document. > > > > Maybe remind us what a PE that doesn't support this flag will do if it > > happens to receive a PTA with it set? (I see discussion below of the state > > at the ingress node in this case, but not an explicit confirmation of what > > egress nodes do.) > > A PE that doesn't support the LIR-pF flag will just ignore it.  But it > will respond to the LIR flag, and the response will enable the ingress > node to determine that the egress node doesn't have LIR-pF support.  I > think this is discussed in Section 2. > > > It would also be nice to give non-normative examples of > > how a sender might know that receivers support the flag. > > I've added the following text: > >       (Typically, this means that the ability to set this flag would be >    controlled by a configuration knob, and operators should not set this >    knob unless they know that all the PEs support this feature.) > > > > > Section 3 > > > > The rules for finding a "match for reception" in [RFC6625] are hereby > > modified as follows: > > > > Maybe give a section reference too? (Especially since 6625 does not use > > the abbreviated version we define here, and instead writes "Finding the > > Match for Data Reception".) > > The immediately preceding paragraph begins: > > Section 3.2 of [RFC6625] specifies a set of rules for finding the >    S-PMSI A-D route that is the "match for data reception" (or more >    simply, the "match for reception") of a given (C-S,C-G) or (C-*,C-G) >    state. > > I think that provides what you're asking for? > > > > > For a given C-flow ((C-S,C-G) or (C-*,C-G)) the "match for > > tracking" is chosen as follows. Ignore any S-PMSI A-D route that > > has no PTA. Also ignore any S-PMSI A-D route whose PTA specifies > > "no tunnel information present", but does not have either LIR or > > LIR-pF set. (That is, DO NOT ignore an S-PMSI A-D route that has > > > > I think this would be clearer as "and has neither LIR nor LIR-pF set" -- > > the "but" can easily lead the reader astray. > > > > a PTA specifying "no tunnel information present" unless its LIR > > and LIR-pF bits are both clear). [...] > > Okay, I've made that change. > > > > > Note that the procedure for finding the match for tracking takes > > into account S-PMSI A-D routes whose PTAs specify "no tunnel > > information present" and that have either LIR or LIR-pf set. The > > procedure for finding the match for reception ignores such routes. > > > > Why are we talking about this like LIR and LIR-pF can be set independently, > > when just last page we said that if LIR-pF is set, LIR MUST be set? > > So that things will still work if some ingress node sets LIR-pF but > fails to set LIR. > > > > > Section 4 > > > > Please expand I-PMSI on first usage. > > Done. > > > > > When following this procedure, the PTA of the S-PMSI A-D route > > may specify a tunnel, or may specify "no tunnel information > > present". The choice between these two options is determined by > > considerations that are outside the scope of this document. > > > > Could you give some examples of what sort of things might be involved in > > making that choice? > > This really depends upon how the operator chooses to assign flows to > tunnels.  That involves a whole bunch of inter-related considerations > that really are not within the scope of this document. > > > > > Section 5.3 > > > > Suppose the forwarded S-PMSI A-D route has a PTA specifying a tunnel, > > and also has LIR-pF set. [...] > > > > nit: is this this "route being forwarded" (i.e., where the ABR/ASBR acts as > > egress) or the "after forwarding route" (i.e., where the ABR/ASBR acts as > > ingress)? > > Good catch!  We're talking here about the PTA as received, but that is > not at all clear from the text.  I'll make some adjustments to make that > clear. > > > > > As a result of propagating such an S-PMSI A-D route, the egress ABR/ > > ASBR may receive one or more Leaf A-D routes that correspond to that > > S-PMSI A-D route. [...] > > > > Just to check my understanding (no document change requested), this > > correspondance is determined by the NLRI in the Leaf A-D route matching the > > NLRI from the S-PMSI A-D route? > > More precisely, the "route key" field from the Leaf A-D route's NLRI > matches the NLRI from the S-PMSI A-D route. > > > > > The "global administrator" field of the modified RT will be set to > > the IP address taken either from the S-PMSI A-D route's next hop > > field ([RFC6514]), or from its Segmented P2MP Next Hop Extended > > Community ([RFC7524]). > > > > How do I choose which one to use? > > I'll add text stating that the address from the EC is used if the EC is > present, otherwise the address from the next hop field is used. > > > > > Section 6 > > > > then the action taken by N when it receives L is a local matter. In > > this case, the Leaf A-D route L provides N with explicit tracking > > information for the flow identified by L's NLRI. However, that > > information is for management/monitoring purposes and does not have > > an effect on the flow of multicast traffic. > > > > I would prefer to say "does not necessarily have an effect". > > How about "does not have any direct effect on"? > > > From nobody Fri Nov 30 08:23:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3B6128D0C; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 08:23:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.161 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.161 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=juniper.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d1ZQzVkAVyNs; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have the following questions/comments: The procedure described here is an OPTIONAL procedure that consists of having a downstream PE take into account the status of P-tunnels rooted at each possible upstream PEs, for including or not including each given PE in the list of candidate UMHs for a given (C-S,C-G) state. The result is that, if a P-tunnel is "down" (see Section 3.1), the PE that is the root of the P-tunnel will not be considered for UMH selection, which will result in the downstream PE to failover to the upstream PE which is next in the list of candidates. Is it possible that a p2mp tunnel is considered up by some leaves but down = by some other leaves, leaving to them choosing different UMH? In that case,= procedures described in Section 9.1.1 ("Discarding Packets from Wrong PE")= of RFC 6513 must be used. I see that this is actually pointed out later in= section 6 - good to have a pointer to it right here. Additionally, the text in section 3 seems to be more biased on Single Forwa= rder Election choosing the UMH with the highest IP address. Section 5 of RF= C6513 also describes two other options, hashing or based on "installed UMH = route" (aka unicast-based). It is not clear how the text in this document a= pplies to hashing based selection, and I don't see how the text applies to = unicast-based selection. Some rewording/clarification are needed here. For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is considered up if one or more of the P2MP RSVP-TE LSPs, identified by the P-tunnel Attribute, are in Up state. Why is "one or more of ..." used in the above text? There are several occurrences of ((S, G)). I assume they should be changed = to (C-S, C-G). A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given ((S, G)) if the P-tunnel for this (S, G) (I or S , depending) is leaf triggered (PIM, mLDP) Perhaps either remove the (I or S , depending)or move it to before the "for= ". This document defines the format and ways of usingr a new BGP attribute called the "BGP- BFD attribute". s/usingr/using/ o MUST use [Ed.note] address as destination IP address when transmitting BFD control packets; [Ed.note]? If tracking of the P-tunnel by using a p2mp BFD session is to be enabled after the P-tunnel has been already signaled, the the procedure described above MUST be followed. What if the tracking is to be enabled before the P-tunnel has been signaled= ? The text implies different behavior? s/the the/then the/ ... The dedicated p2mp BFD session MAY monitor the state of the Standby Upstream PE. What does the above text mean? Do you mean "A different p2mp BFD session ..= ."? When such a procedure is used, in the context where fast restoration mechanisms are used for the P-tunnels, leaf PEs should be configured to wait before updating the UMH, to let the P-tunnel restoration mechanism happen. A configurable timer MUST be provided for this purpose, and it is recommended to provide a reasonable default value for this timer. What does "such a procedure" refers to? s/recommended/RECOMMENDED/? 3.1.7. Per PE-CE link BFD Discriminator The following approach is defined for the fast failover in response to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selection for a given C-multicast route takes into account the state of the BFD session associated with the state of the upstream PE-CE link. 3.1.7.1. Upstream PE Procedures For each protected PE-CE link, the upstream PE initiates a multipoint BFD session [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint] as MultipointHead toward downstream PEs. A downstream PE monitors the state of the p2mp session as MultipointTail and MAY interpret transition of the BFD session into Down state as the indication of the associated PE-CE link being down. Since the BFD packets are sent over the P2MP tunnel not the PE-CE link, my = understanding is that the BFD discriminator is still for the tunnel and not= tied to the PE-CE link; but different from the previous case, the root wil= l stop sending BFD messages when it detects the PE-CE link failure. As far = as the egress PEs are concerned, they don't know if it is the tunnel failur= e or PE-CE link failure. If my understanding is correct, the wording should be changed. ... If the route to the src/RP changes such that the RPF interface is changed to be a new PE- CE interface, then the upstream PE will update the S-PMSI A-D route with included BGP-BFD Attribute so that value of the BFD Discriminator is associated with the new RPF link. If the RPF interface changes on the upstream PE, why should it update the r= oute to send a new discriminator? As long as there is a new RPF interface c= ouldn't the upstream PE do nothing but start tracking the new RPF interface= ? Regardless which way (the currently described way and my imagined way), som= e text should be added to discuss how the downstream would not switch to an= other upstream PE when the primary PE is just going through a RPF change. 4. Standby C-multicast route The procedures described below are limited to the case where the site that contains C-S is connected to exactly two PEs. The procedures require all the PEs of that MVPN to follow the single forwarder PE selection, as specified in [RFC6513]. Why would it not work with more than two upstream PEs? Why is it limited to single forwarder selection? What about unicast based s= election? This route, that has the semantics of being a 'standby' C-multicast route, is further called a "Standby BGP C-multicast route", and is constructed as follows: o the NLRI is constructed as the original C-multicast route, except that the RD is the same as if the C-multicast route was built using the standby PE as the UMH (it will carry the RD associated to the unicast VPN route advertised by the standby PE for S) Since you mention RD, you might as well mention it carries a Route Target d= erived from the standby RE's UMH route's VRF RT Import EC. If at some later point the local PE determines that C-S is no longer reachable through the Primary Upstream PE, the Standby Upstream PE becomes the Upstream PE, and the local PE re-sends the C-multicast route with RT that identifies the Standby Upstream PE, except that now the route does not carry the Standby PE BGP Community (which results in replacing the old route with a new route, with the only difference between these routes being the presence/absence of the Standby PE BGP Community). Additionally the LOCAL_PREF should also change? 4.3. Reachability determination The standby PE can use the following information to determine that C-S can or cannot be reached through the primary PE: Shouldn't this be 4.2.1 instead of 4.3? 5. Hot leaf standby The mechanisms defined in sections Section 4 and Section 3 can be used together as follows. This section is a little confusing to me. It seems that it really should be= how a leaf should behave when hot root standby is used, not that there is = a "hot leaf" mode. A leaf is just a leaf, not a cold/warm/hot/primary/stand= by leaf. Thanks. Jeffrey From: BESS On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c= om Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 2:54 AM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-= fast-failover Hello Working Group, This email starts a two-week Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-mvp= n-fast-failover-04 [1] This poll runs until *the 6th of December*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). 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Hi,

 

I have the following= questions/comments:

 

   The procedure described here is an OPTIONAL procedure that consists<= o:p>

   of having a downstream PE take into account the status of P-tunnels<= o:p>

   rooted at each possible upstream PEs, for including or not including=

   each given PE in the list of candidate UMHs for a given (C-S,C-G)

   state.  The result is t= hat, if a P-tunnel is "down" (see

   Section 3.1), the PE that is the root of the P-tunnel will not be

   considered for UMH selection, which will result in the downstream PE=

   to failover to the upstream PE which is next in the list of

   candidates.

 

Is it possible that = a p2mp tunnel is considered up by some leaves but down by some other leaves, leaving to them choosing different UMH? In = that case, procedures described in Section 9.1.1 ("Discarding Packets = from Wrong PE") of RFC 6513 must be used. I see that this is actually = pointed out later in section 6 – good to have a pointer to it right here.

 

Additionally, the te= xt in section 3 seems to be more biased on Single Forwarder Election choosing the UMH with the highest IP address. Section 5= of RFC6513 also describes two other options, hashing or based on “in= stalled UMH route” (aka unicast-based). It is not clear how the text = in this document applies to hashing based selection, and I don’t see how the text applies to unicast-based selection. Som= e rewording/clarification are needed here.

 

   For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is

   considered up if one or more of the P2MP RSVP-TE LSPs, identified by=

   the P-tunnel Attribute, are in Up state.

 

Why is “one or= more of …” used in the above text?

 

There are several oc= currences of ((S, G)). I assume they should be changed to (C-S, C-G).

 

   A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given ((S, G))=

   if the P-tunnel for this (S, G) (I or S , depending) is leaf

   triggered (PIM, mLDP)

 

Perhaps either remov= e the (I or S , = depending)or move it to before the “for”.

 

   This document defines the format and ways of usingr a new BGP

   attribute called the "BGP- BFD attribute".

 

s/usingr/using/

 

   o  MUST use [Ed.note] a= ddress as destination IP address when

      transmitting BFD control packets;

 

[Ed.note]?

 

   If tracking of the P-tunnel by using a p2mp BFD session is to be

   enabled after the P-tunnel has been already signaled, the the

   procedure described above MUST be followed.

 

What if the tracking is to be enabled before the P-tunnel has been signaled? The text implies differe= nt behavior?

s/the the/then the/

 

   … The dedicated p2mp BFD session MAY monitor the state of=

   the Standby Upstream PE.

 

What does the above = text mean? Do you mean “A different p2mp BFD session …”?

 

   When such a procedure is used, in the context where fast restoration=

   mechanisms are used for the P-tunnels, leaf PEs should be configured=

   to wait before updating the UMH, to let the P-tunnel restoration

   mechanism happen.  A co= nfigurable timer MUST be provided for this

   purpose, and it is recommended to provide a reasonable default value=

   for this timer.

 

What does “suc= h a procedure” refers to?

s/recommended/RECOMM= ENDED/?

 

3.1.7.  Per PE-CE link BFD Discriminator

 =

   The following approach is defined for the fast failover in response<= o:p>

   to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selection for = a

   given C-multicast route takes into account the state of the BFD=

   session associated with the state of the upstream PE-CE link.

 =

3.1.7.1.  Upstream PE Procedures

 =

   For each protected PE-CE link, the upstream PE initiates a multipoin= t

   BFD session [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint] as MultipointHead toward<= /o:p>

   downstream PEs.  A down= stream PE monitors the state of the p2mp

   session as MultipointTail and MAY interpret transition of the BFD

   session into Down state as the indication of the associated PE-CE

   link being down.

 =

Since the BFD packets are sent over the P2MP tunnel not the PE-CE link, my under= standing is that the BFD discriminator is still for the tunnel and not tied= to the PE-CE link; but different from the previous case, the root will sto= p sending BFD messages when it detects the PE-CE link failure. As far as the egress PEs are concerned, they don&#= 8217;t know if it is the tunnel failure or PE-CE link failure.

 

If my understanding is correct, the wording should be changed.=

 

   …  If the route t= o the

   src/RP changes such that the RPF interface is changed to be a new PE= -

   CE interface, then the upstream PE will update the S-PMSI A-D route<= o:p>

   with included BGP-BFD Attribute so that value of the BFD<= /span>

   Discriminator is associated with the new RPF link.=

 

If the RPF interface= changes on the upstream PE, why should it update the route to send a new discriminator? As long as there is a new RPF inter= face couldn’t the upstream PE do nothing but start tracking the new R= PF interface?

 

Regardless which way= (the currently described way and my imagined way), some text should be added to discuss how the downstream would not sw= itch to another upstream PE when the primary PE is just going through a RPF= change.

 

4.  Standby C-multicast route

 =

   The procedures described below are limited to the case where the sit= e

   that contain=
s C-S is connected to exactly two PEs. The procedures


  
require all the PEs of that MVPN to follow the single forwarder PE



  
selection, as specified in [RFC6513].  




 =



 


Why would it not wor=
k with more than two upstream PEs?


Why is it limited to=
 single forwarder selection? What about unicast
 based selection?


 



This route, that =
has the semantics of being a 'standby'



  
C-multicast route, is further called a "Standby BGP C-multicast=




  
route", and is constructed as follows:



 =




  
o  the NLRI is construc=
ted as the original C-multicast route, except



     
that the RD is the same as if the C-multicast route was built



     
using the standby PE as the UMH (it will carry the RD associated



     
to the unicast VPN route advertised by the standby PE for S)



 =



Since you mention RD=
, you might as well mention it carries a Route
 Target derived from the standby RE’s UMH route’s VRF RT Import=
 EC.


 



  
If at some later point the local PE determines that C-S is no longer=




  
reachable through the Primary Upstream PE, the Standby Upstream PE



  
becomes the Upstream PE, and the local PE re-sends the C-multicast



  
route with RT that identifies the Standby Upstream PE, except that



  
now the route does not carry the Standby PE BGP Community (which



  
results in replacing the old route with a new route, with the only



  
difference between these routes being the presence/absence of the



  
Standby PE BGP Community).


 


Additionally the LOC=
AL_PREF should also change?


 



4.3. 
Reachability determination



 =




  
The standby PE can use the following information to determine that



  
C-S can or cannot be reached through the primary PE:


 


Shouldn’t this=
 be 4.2.1 instead of 4.3?


 



5. 
Hot leaf standby



 =




  
The mechanisms defined in sections Section 4 and Section 3 can be



  
used together as follows.


 


This section is a li=
ttle confusing to me. It seems that it really
 should be how a leaf should behave when hot root standby is used, not that=
 there is a “hot leaf” mode. A leaf is just a leaf, not a cold/=
warm/hot/primary/standby leaf.


 


Thanks.


 


Jeffrey


 








From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org>
On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 2:54 AM

To: bess@ietf.org

Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org

Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bes=
s-mvpn-fast-failover






 


Hello Working Group,


    


This email starts a two-week Working Group Last C=
all on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-04  [1]


 


This poll runs until *the 6th of December*.<=
/o:p>


 


We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo=
sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose=
d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for=
 more details).


If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o=
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Currently two IPRs have been disclosed against th=
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or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha=
s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


 


We are also polling for any existing implementati=
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    Thank you,


    Stephane & Matthew


 


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    [2] 
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Hi WG,

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This emai= l begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzhang-bess-= mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1]

 

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