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Alvaro:=20

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Can we set a date to discuss the IP sec tunnels?   Do you want to talk =
as routing chairs before we include the IPSEC and I2NSF chairs?=20

=20

Sue Hares

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From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:20 AM
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using BGP signaling to achieve IPsec Tunnel configuration =
(draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec): potential conflict with the I2NSF's =
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On April 2, 2019 at 5:21:09 AM, Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & =
Patent Dept) (frank.xialiang@huawei.com) wrote:

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Hi!

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Thank you all for the discussion.  I=E2=80=99m replying to this message =
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the thread. =20

the key point is...the function gaps each draft can fill in.

Because there are several drafts that may overlap in function and =
content, I have asked John/Sue (idr-chairs) to work with =
Stephane/Matthew (bess-chairs) in figuring out the overlaps and helping =
the authors (if needed) to rationalize what should go forward and what =
is not needed because it may be a duplicate=E2=80=A6at least starting =
from the RTG area point of view.

Once the consolidation is done, we should have a clearer picture on the =
type of interaction we need to have with i2nsf/ipsecme.

Since we=E2=80=99re all just getting back from Prague, please give the =
Chairs a little bit of time.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


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Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
April 2, 2019 10:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar<br><b>Cc:</b> =
ipsec@ietf.org WG; idr-chairs@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org; idr wg; =
i2nsf@ietf.org; &lt;rtg-ads@ietf.org&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS UI =
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</span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS UI =
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using BGP signaling to achieve IPsec Tunnel configuration =
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have asked John/Sue (idr-chairs) to work with Stephane/Matthew =
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needed) to rationalize what should go forward and what is not needed =
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Hi Jorge,

Thanks for your response. Please see inline..

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:43 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <
jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

> Muthu,
>
>
>
> The source NVE identifies the MAC-VRF/BD out of the RT/eth-tag. The
> assumption is that the BD is only attached to one IP-VRF, hence you know
> what ARP table to look up.
>

If this is the case, why include the RT for the IP-VRF at all in route
type-2 advertisements?

Regards,
Muthu

>
>
> My two cents.
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> Jorge
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>
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> *Date: *Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 4:39 AM
> *To: *"bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *[bess] Question on ARP probe in
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding describes the mobility
> procedure to be followed when a TS moves from a source NVE to a target NVE
> and starts sending data traffic without first initiating an ARP request. It
> says the following in section 4.2:
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>    - The source NVE upon receiving this MAC/IP advertisement, realizes
>
>    that the MAC has moved to the new NVE. It updates its MAC-VRF table
>
>    accordingly by updating the adjacency information for that MAC
>
>    address to point to the target NVE and withdraws its EVPN MAC/IP
>
>    route that has only the MAC address (if it has advertised such route
>
>    previously). Furthermore, *it searches its ARP table for this MAC and*
>
>    *sends an ARP probe for this <MAC,IP> pair*. The ARP request message is
>
>    sent both locally to all attached TSes in that subnet as well as it
>
>    is sent to other NVEs participating in that subnet including the
>
>    target NVE.
>
> </snip>
>
>
>
> The question I have is, the MAC/IP Advertisement route the source NVE
> receives from the target NVE in the above case has only the MAC address of
> the TS and the RT corresponding to the MAC-VRF. How can the source NVE
> deduce the IP-VRF to search the corresponding ARP table and send an ARP
> probe?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Muthu
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Jorge,</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks for your response. Please s=
ee inline..</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:43 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US=
/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com">jorge.rabada=
n@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-8697690207486570347WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Muthu,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">The source NVE identifies the MAC-VRF/BD out of the RT/eth-tag. The assum=
ption is that the BD is only attached to one IP-VRF, hence you know what AR=
P table to look up.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:sma=
ll"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:small">If this is the case, why include the RT fo=
r the IP-VRF at all in route type-2 advertisements?=C2=A0</div><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Muthu</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:sm=
all"></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"E=
N-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-8697690207486570347WordSection1"><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">My two cents.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Jorge<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">BESS &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt=
; on behalf of Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:muthu.arul@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">muthu.arul@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 4:39 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bes=
s@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[bess] Question on ARP probe in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-=
subnet-forwarding<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hi Everyone,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding describes =
the mobility procedure to be followed when a TS moves from a source NVE to =
a target NVE and starts sending data
 traffic without first initiating an ARP request. It says the following in =
section 4.2:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">&lt;snip&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0- The source NVE upon receiving this MAC/I=
P advertisement, realizes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0that the MAC has moved to the new NVE. It =
updates its MAC-VRF table<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0accordingly by updating the adjacency info=
rmation for that MAC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0address to point to the target NVE and wit=
hdraws its EVPN MAC/IP<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0route that has only the MAC address (if it=
 has advertised such route<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0previously). Furthermore,
<b>it searches its ARP table for this MAC and</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0<b>sends an ARP probe for this &lt;MAC,IP&=
gt; pair</b>. The ARP request message is<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0sent both locally to all attached TSes in =
that subnet as well as it<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0is sent to other NVEs participating in tha=
t subnet including the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0target NVE.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">&lt;/snip&gt;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">The question I have is, the MAC/IP Advertisement route =
the source NVE receives from the target NVE in the above case has only the =
MAC address of the TS and the RT corresponding
 to the MAC-VRF. How can the source NVE deduce the IP-VRF to search the cor=
responding ARP table and send an ARP probe?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">Muthu</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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Please see inline..

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 12:02 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <
jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

> You only need the IP-VRF RT in case of the IP is included in the MAC/IP
> route _*and*_ you are in symmetric mode, since you need to install the IP
> in the route-table.
>

If we follow the argument that there is only one IP-VRF per BD which you
can identify based on the RT for the MAC-VRF and Ethernet  tag, you don't
need the RT for the IP-VRF even if the MAC/IP route includes the IP and you
are in symmetric mode, right?


> The mobility section is done for both symmetric and asymmetric modes, and
> also, in particular, that case you allude to, there is only a MAC in the
> route that the source NVE receives. So you cannot guarantee the source NVE
> will receive an RT for the IP-VRF.
>

Agree. But, neither section 4.2 nor anywhere else
in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding we describe how the source
NVE deduces the IP-VRF when the MAC/IP route has only the MAC address and
MAC-VRF RT.

Regards,
Muthu


>
>
> Thx
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> *From: *Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <muthu.arul@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, May 3, 2019 at 7:39 AM
> *To: *"Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com
> >
> *Cc: *"bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [bess] Question on ARP probe in
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding
>
>
>
> Hi Jorge,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your response. Please see inline..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:43 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <
> jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:
>
> Muthu,
>
>
>
> The source NVE identifies the MAC-VRF/BD out of the RT/eth-tag. The
> assumption is that the BD is only attached to one IP-VRF, hence you know
> what ARP table to look up.
>
>
>
> If this is the case, why include the RT for the IP-VRF at all in route
> type-2 advertisements?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Muthu
>
>
>
> My two cents.
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> *From: *BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Muthu Arul Mozhi
> Perumal <muthu.arul@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 4:39 AM
> *To: *"bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *[bess] Question on ARP probe in
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding describes the mobility
> procedure to be followed when a TS moves from a source NVE to a target NVE
> and starts sending data traffic without first initiating an ARP request. It
> says the following in section 4.2:
>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>    - The source NVE upon receiving this MAC/IP advertisement, realizes
>
>    that the MAC has moved to the new NVE. It updates its MAC-VRF table
>
>    accordingly by updating the adjacency information for that MAC
>
>    address to point to the target NVE and withdraws its EVPN MAC/IP
>
>    route that has only the MAC address (if it has advertised such route
>
>    previously). Furthermore, *it searches its ARP table for this MAC and*
>
>    *sends an ARP probe for this <MAC,IP> pair*. The ARP request message is
>
>    sent both locally to all attached TSes in that subnet as well as it
>
>    is sent to other NVEs participating in that subnet including the
>
>    target NVE.
>
> </snip>
>
>
>
> The question I have is, the MAC/IP Advertisement route the source NVE
> receives from the target NVE in the above case has only the MAC address of
> the TS and the RT corresponding to the MAC-VRF. How can the source NVE
> deduce the IP-VRF to search the corresponding ARP table and send an ARP
> probe?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Muthu
>
>

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size:small">Please see inline..</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 12:02 PM Rabada=
n, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jorge.rabadan@nok=
ia.com">jorge.rabadan@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">You only need the IP-VRF RT in case of the IP is included in the MAC/IP r=
oute _<i>and</i>_ you are in symmetric mode, since you need to install the =
IP in the route-table.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:small">If we follow the argument that there is only one IP-V=
RF per BD which you can identify based on the RT for the MAC-VRF and Ethern=
et=C2=A0 tag, you don&#39;t need the RT for the IP-VRF even if the MAC/IP r=
oute includes the IP and you are in symmetric mode, right?</div></div><div>=
=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"=
EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-5550286061129887820WordSection1"><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">The mobility section is done for both symmetric and asymmetric modes, and=
 also, in particular, that case you allude to, there is only a MAC in the r=
oute that the source NVE receives. So
 you cannot guarantee the source NVE will receive an RT for the IP-VRF.</sp=
an></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Agre=
e. But, neither section 4.2 nor anywhere else in=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-=
inter-subnet-forwarding we describe how the source NVE deduces the IP-VRF w=
hen the MAC/IP route has only the MAC address and MAC-VRF RT.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Mu=
thu</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans=
-serif">=C2=A0</span></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-5550286061129887820WordS=
ection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family=
:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Thx<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Jorge <u></u>
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Muthu Arul Mozhi Peru=
mal &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:muthu.arul@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">muthu.aru=
l@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 3, 2019 at 7:39 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)&quot; &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">jorge.rabadan@nokia.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bes=
s@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [bess] Question on ARP probe in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-in=
ter-subnet-forwarding<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hi Jorge,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks for your response. Please see inl=
ine..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8=
:43 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jorg=
e.rabadan@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">jorge.rabadan@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Muthu,</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">The source NVE identi=
fies the MAC-VRF/BD out of the RT/eth-tag. The assumption is that the BD is=
 only attached to one IP-VRF, hence you know what ARP table to look up.</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">If this is the case, why include the RT =
for the IP-VRF at all in route type-2 advertisements?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Muthu<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">My two cents.</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Jorge</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Muthu A=
rul Mozhi Perumal &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:muthu.arul@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">muthu.arul@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 4:39 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bes=
s@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[bess] Question on ARP probe in draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-=
subnet-forwarding</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hi Everyone,</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-sub=
net-forwarding describes the mobility procedure to be followed when a TS mo=
ves from a source NVE to a target NVE and starts sending data traffic witho=
ut first initiating an ARP request.
 It says the following in section 4.2:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">&lt;snip&gt;</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0- The source NVE =
upon receiving this MAC/IP advertisement, realizes</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0that the MAC has =
moved to the new NVE. It updates its MAC-VRF table</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0accordingly by up=
dating the adjacency information for that MAC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0address to point =
to the target NVE and withdraws its EVPN MAC/IP</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0route that has on=
ly the MAC address (if it has advertised such route</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0previously). Furt=
hermore, <b>it searches its ARP table for this MAC and</b></span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0<b>sends an ARP p=
robe for this &lt;MAC,IP&gt; pair</b>. The ARP request message is</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0sent both locally=
 to all attached TSes in that subnet as well as it</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0is sent to other =
NVEs participating in that subnet including the</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0target NVE.</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">&lt;/snip&gt;</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The question I have is, the MA=
C/IP Advertisement route the source NVE receives from the target NVE in the=
 above case has only the MAC address of the TS and the RT corresponding to =
the MAC-VRF. How can the source
 NVE deduce the IP-VRF to search the corresponding ARP table and send an AR=
P probe?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Muthu</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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Hi,


This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-=
ping-08[1]

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis=
t.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

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This poll for adoption closes on 21th May 2019.

Regards,
Stephane and Matthew

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping/

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">This email begins a tw=
o-week poll for adoption of </span>draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping-08<span la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">[1]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please review the draft and pos=
t any comments to the BESS working group list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are also&nbsp;polling for kn=
owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha=
t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, =
4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are listed as an author =
or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat=
e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the=
 BESS mailing list. The document won't
 progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Currently, there are no IPR dis=
closures against this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are not listed as an aut=
hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware =
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This poll for adoption closes o=
n 21<sup>th</sup> May 2019. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Stephane and Matthew</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;s=
erif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
t-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping/">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping/</a><o:p></o=
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Dear Stephane, at al.,
as the co-author, I'm not aware of any IPR related to the draft.

yes/support the adoption by the BESS WG.

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 12:37 AM <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping-08[1]
>
>
>
> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group
> list.
>
>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
>
>
> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't
> progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.
>
> Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>
>
>
> If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please
> explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been
> disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
>
> This poll for adoption closes on 21th May 2019.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stephane and Matthew
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>
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping/
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Stephane, at al.,<div>as the co-author, I&#39;m not a=
ware of any IPR related to the draft.</div><div><br></div><div>yes/support =
the adoption by the BESS WG.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Gr=
eg</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 12:37 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephane.litk=
owski@orange.com">stephane.litkowski@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_1396385732225191651WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11pt">This email begins a two-=
week poll for adoption of </span>draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping-08<span lang=
=3D"EN-GB">[1]<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please review the draft and pos=
t any comments to the BESS working group list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are also=C2=A0polling for kn=
owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha=
t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, =
4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are listed as an author =
or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat=
e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the=
 BESS mailing list. The document won&#39;t
 progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Currently, there are no IPR dis=
closures against this document.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are not listed as an aut=
hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware =
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This poll for adoption closes o=
n 21<sup>th</sup> May 2019. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
t-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping/" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping/</a><u></u><=
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Support as a co-author, not aware of any IPR.

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> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies =
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> Regards,
> Stephane and Matthew
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Support as a co-author, not aware of any IPR.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Sami<br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
May 7, 2019, at 12:36 AM, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com" =
class=3D"">stephane.litkowski@orange.com</a>&gt; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com" =
class=3D"">stephane.litkowski@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt;" class=3D"">This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of =
</span>draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping-08<span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">[1]<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></pre><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Please review the draft and post any comments =
to the BESS working group list.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">We are also&nbsp;polling for =
knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to =
ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules =
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">If you =
are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please =
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any =
relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document =
won't progress without answers from all the authors and =
contributors.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Currently, there are no IPR =
disclosures against this document.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">If you are not listed as an =
author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are =
aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with =
IETF rules.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">This poll for adoption closes on 21<sup =
class=3D"">th</sup><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>May =
2019. &nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Regards,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-GB" class=3D"">Stephane =
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I have a few comments on this draft, in particular on the BGP PDU encoding
procedures:

Section 7.1:
The lengths of the various fields and their consistency should be spelled
out in more detail.  

For example, a source could be 0 for (*,G), or should be the length of an
IPv4 or IPv6 host address (32/128).  Other lengths likely do not make sense.

The length of a multicast group also likely should be a "host" length -
32/128. 

For the source and the group, it is likely an error if the lengths do not
agree.  E.g. S may be 0, but when 32 or 128 the group must be 32 or 128
respectively.

The originator router also should likely be a host length, although I'm a
bit unclear what the intent of the contents of this field should be.  Is
this intended to be a loopback?  If so, how does one choose it among
several, if more than one is available?  Should the length of the originator
also agree with the S,G fields?

Some discussion about what to do when the fields are syntactially valid but
semantically invalid (e.g. mis-matched lengths) is needed.  See RFC 7606
about what to discuss.  Likely "treat as withdraw" semantics are desired.

The flags field is somewhat confusing when the addresses are IPv6 and thus
the procedures are expected to be for MLD rather than IGMP.  The draft as a
whole, in spite of its title, is worded heavily toward IGMP.  I would
suggest requesting some appropriate review to help normalize the terminology
here.  However, the flags field should be clarified for MLD cases.

Similar comments apply to section 7.2 and 7.3.

Section 7.3 does not discuss the two new fields Leave Group Synchornization
and Maximum Response Time or the procedures for these fields.  It should
refer back to section 4.2.

-- Jeff


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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 8560

        Title:      Seamless Integration of Ethernet VPN (EVPN)
                    with Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS)
                    and Their Provider Backbone Bridge (PBB)
                    Equivalents 
        Author:     A. Sajassi, Ed.,
                    S. Salam, 
                    N. Del Regno,
                    J. Rabadan
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       May 2019
        Mailbox:    sajassi@cisco.com, 
                    ssalam@cisco.com, 
                    nick.delregno@verizon.com,
                    jorge.rabadan@nokia.com
        Pages:      16
        Characters: 34654
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-07.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8560

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8560

This document specifies mechanisms for backward compatibility of
Ethernet VPN (EVPN) and Provider Backbone Bridge Ethernet VPN
(PBB-EVPN) solutions with Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) and Provider
Backbone Bridge VPLS (PBB-VPLS) solutions.  It also provides
mechanisms for the seamless integration of these two technologies in
the same MPLS/IP network on a per-VPN-instance basis.  Implementation
of this document enables service providers to introduce EVPN/PBB-EVPN
Provider Edges (PEs) in their brownfield deployments of VPLS/PBB-VPLS
networks.  This document specifies the control-plane and forwarding
behavior needed for the auto-discovery of the following: 1) a VPN
instance, 2) multicast and unicast operation, and 3) a Media Access
Control (MAC) mobility operation.  This enables seamless integration
between EVPN and VPLS PEs as well as between PBB-VPLS and PBB-EVPN
PEs.

This document is a product of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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Hi Jeffery,
Thanks for comment. Please find some comment / Question  inline to understa=
nd your comments better.



On May 9, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org<mailto:jhaas@pfrc=
.org>> wrote:

I have a few comments on this draft, in particular on the BGP PDU encoding
procedures:

Section 7.1:
The lengths of the various fields and their consistency should be spelled
out in more detail.

For example, a source could be 0 for (*,G), or should be the length of an
IPv4 or IPv6 host address (32/128).  Other lengths likely do not make sense=
.

>From 7.1.1<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-=
02#section-7.1.1> Constructing the Selective Multicast Ethernet Tag route


   The Multicast Source length MUST be set to length of multicast source
   address in bits. In case of a (*, G) Join, the Multicast Source
   Length is set to 0.


in case of (*,G) join , source length would be 0. and it does say in this s=
ection.


The length of a multicast group also likely should be a "host" length -
32/128.

For the source and the group, it is likely an error if the lengths do not
agree.  E.g. S may be 0, but when 32 or 128 the group must be 32 or 128
respectively.

Do you mean,  draft should spell out different possible errored length ?  o=
r may be statement similar to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6514 would be =
good enough ?


The originator router also should likely be a host length, although I'm a
bit unclear what the intent of the contents of this field should be.  Is
this intended to be a loopback?  If so, how does one choose it among
several, if more than one is available?  Should the length of the originato=
r
also agree with the S,G fields?

Do you mean (S,G) len should be driving factor Originator len / IP  ?


Some discussion about what to do when the fields are syntactially valid but
semantically invalid (e.g. mis-matched lengths) is needed.  See RFC 7606
about what to discuss.  Likely "treat as withdraw" semantics are desired.

The flags field is somewhat confusing when the addresses are IPv6 and thus
the procedures are expected to be for MLD rather than IGMP.  The draft as a
whole, in spite of its title, is worded heavily toward IGMP.  I would
suggest requesting some appropriate review to help normalize the terminolog=
y
here.  However, the flags field should be clarified for MLD cases.

This is being already addressed in next version.


Similar comments apply to section 7.2 and 7.3.

Section 7.3 does not discuss the two new fields Leave Group Synchornization
and Maximum Response Time or the procedures for these fields.  It should
refer back to section 4.2.

-- Jeff

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Hi Jeffery,&nbsp;
<div class=3D"">Thanks for comment. Please find some comment / Question &nb=
sp;inline to understand your comments better.&nbsp;</div>
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</div>
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<div class=3D"">On May 9, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Jeffrey Haas &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jhaas@pfrc.org" class=3D"">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div class=3D"">I have a few comments on this draft, in particular on the B=
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procedures:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Section 7.1:<br class=3D"">
The lengths of the various fields and their consistency should be spelled<b=
r class=3D"">
out in more detail. &nbsp;<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
For example, a source could be 0 for (*,G), or should be the length of an<b=
r class=3D"">
IPv4 or IPv6 host address (32/128). &nbsp;Other lengths likely do not make =
sense.<br class=3D"">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
From&nbsp;<a class=3D"selflink" name=3D"section-7.1.1" href=3D"https://tool=
s.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-02#section-7.1.1" style=
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t: bold; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D"">
 Constructing the Selective Multicast Ethernet Tag route</span><br style=3D=
"font-size: 1em; font-weight: bold; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D"">
<div><br class=3D"">
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in-bottom: 0px; break-before: page; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans=
: 2; widows: 2;">   The Multicast Source length MUST be set to length of mu=
lticast source
   address in bits. In case of a (*, G) Join, the Multicast Source
   Length is set to 0.</pre>
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</div>
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his section.&nbsp;</div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
The length of a multicast group also likely should be a &quot;host&quot; le=
ngth -<br class=3D"">
32/128. <br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
For the source and the group, it is likely an error if the lengths do not<b=
r class=3D"">
agree. &nbsp;E.g. S may be 0, but when 32 or 128 the group must be 32 or 12=
8<br class=3D"">
respectively.<br class=3D"">
</div>
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</div>
<div>Do you mean, &nbsp;draft should spell out different possible errored l=
ength ? &nbsp;or may be statement similar to&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://tools.=
ietf.org/html/rfc6514" class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6514</a>&n=
bsp;would be good enough ?&nbsp;</div>
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The originator router also should likely be a host length, although I'm a<b=
r class=3D"">
bit unclear what the intent of the contents of this field should be. &nbsp;=
Is<br class=3D"">
this intended to be a loopback? &nbsp;If so, how does one choose it among<b=
r class=3D"">
several, if more than one is available? &nbsp;Should the length of the orig=
inator<br class=3D"">
also agree with the S,G fields?<br class=3D"">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>Do you mean (S,G) len should be driving factor Originator len / IP &nb=
sp;?&nbsp;</div>
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
Some discussion about what to do when the fields are syntactially valid but=
<br class=3D"">
semantically invalid (e.g. mis-matched lengths) is needed. &nbsp;See RFC 76=
06<br class=3D"">
about what to discuss. &nbsp;Likely &quot;treat as withdraw&quot; semantics=
 are desired.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
The flags field is somewhat confusing when the addresses are IPv6 and thus<=
br class=3D"">
the procedures are expected to be for MLD rather than IGMP. &nbsp;The draft=
 as a<br class=3D"">
whole, in spite of its title, is worded heavily toward IGMP. &nbsp;I would<=
br class=3D"">
suggest requesting some appropriate review to help normalize the terminolog=
y<br class=3D"">
here. &nbsp;However, the flags field should be clarified for MLD cases.<br =
class=3D"">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>This is being already addressed in next version.&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
Similar comments apply to section 7.2 and 7.3.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Section 7.3 does not discuss the two new fields Leave Group Synchornization=
<br class=3D"">
and Maximum Response Time or the procedures for these fields. &nbsp;It shou=
ld<br class=3D"">
refer back to section 4.2.<br class=3D"">
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On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 06:46:02PM +0000, Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) wrote:
> On May 9, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org<mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org>> wrote:
> > Section 7.1:
> > The lengths of the various fields and their consistency should be spelled
> > out in more detail.
> > 
> > For example, a source could be 0 for (*,G), or should be the length of an
> > IPv4 or IPv6 host address (32/128).  Other lengths likely do not make sense.
> 
> From 7.1.1<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-02#section-7.1.1> Constructing the Selective Multicast Ethernet Tag route
> 
> 
>    The Multicast Source length MUST be set to length of multicast source
>    address in bits. In case of a (*, G) Join, the Multicast Source
>    Length is set to 0.
> 
> 
> in case of (*,G) join , source length would be 0. and it does say in this section.

It does not specify that 32 or 128 is the only other two useful options
though.

Basically, the point is that in the absence of text that "this is a host",
the implication is "this might be a subnet".  

For example, if the length is 24, even properly encoded on the wire for that
length, what do you do with 24 bits of a source?

> > The length of a multicast group also likely should be a "host" length -
> > 32/128.
> > 
> > For the source and the group, it is likely an error if the lengths do not
> > agree.  E.g. S may be 0, but when 32 or 128 the group must be 32 or 128
> > respectively.
> 
> Do you mean,  draft should spell out different possible errored length ?  or may be statement similar to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6514 would be good enough ?

Consider 6514, section 4.3:

:   The Multicast Source field contains the C-S address.  If the
:   Multicast Source field contains an IPv4 address, then the value of
:   the Multicast Source Length field is 32.  If the Multicast Source
:   field contains an IPv6 address, then the value of the Multicast
:   Source Length field is 128.

So, yes, that would be what I was expecting here.

> > The originator router also should likely be a host length, although I'm a
> > bit unclear what the intent of the contents of this field should be.  Is
> > this intended to be a loopback?  If so, how does one choose it among
> > several, if more than one is available?  Should the length of the originator
> > also agree with the S,G fields?
> 
> Do you mean (S,G) len should be driving factor Originator len / IP  ?

If I have ipv4 (S,G), is it reasonable that I got that from a router that is
via IPv6?  

> > The flags field is somewhat confusing when the addresses are IPv6 and thus
> > the procedures are expected to be for MLD rather than IGMP.  The draft as a
> > whole, in spite of its title, is worded heavily toward IGMP.  I would
> > suggest requesting some appropriate review to help normalize the terminology
> > here.  However, the flags field should be clarified for MLD cases.
> 
> This is being already addressed in next version.

Thanks.

-- Jeff


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Hi Jeffrey,
thank you for your consideration and the detailed comments with great
suggestions. Please find my answers below under GIM3>> tag. Attached is the
diff to highlight the updates.

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:43 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> Most of changes are fine; though I suggest to replace the following:
>
>
>
>    For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is
>
>    considered up if one or more of the P2MP RSVP-TE LSPs to the same PE,
>
>    identified by the P-tunnel Attribute, are in Up state.
>
>
>
> With the following:
>
>
>
>    For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is
>
>    considered up if the sub-LSP to this downstream PE is in Up state.
>
GIM3>> Accept with one question. As this is the first sentence in the
section, what is the PE we refer to as "this downstream PE"? Should we use
"a downstream PE"?

>
>
> Not all comments have been addressed, though. I trimmed some text below
> and highlighted the outstanding ones with =E2=80=9C=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=E2=80=9D. You may need to
> refer to my previous email for correlation/details.
>
>
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:04 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <
> zzhang@juniper.net> wrote:
>
> Thomas, Bob,
>
>
>
> Some questions below for you. Some old, and some new.
>
>  =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>
>
>
> Zzh> It=E2=80=99s not that the =E2=80=9Crules =E2=80=A6 are not consisten=
t=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s that by nature
> some PEs may think the tunnel is down while the others may think the tunn=
el
> is still up (because they=E2=80=99re on different tunnel branches), even =
when they
> follow the same rules. Traffic duplication in this case is also only with
> inclusive tunnels =E2=80=93 so how about the following?
>
>
>
>    Because all PEs may arrive at a different
>
>    conclusion regarding the state of the tunnel,
>
>    procedures described in Section 9.1.1 of [RFC 6513] MUST be used
>
>    when using inclusive tunnels.
>
> GIM3>> Got it, thx. Would s/may/could/ be acceptable to avoid questions
about RFC2119-like language?


> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>  Additionally, the text in section 3 seems to be more biased on Single
> Forwarder Election choosing the UMH with the highest IP address. Section =
5
> of RFC6513 also describes two other options, hashing or based on =E2=80=
=9Cinstalled
> UMH route=E2=80=9D (aka unicast-based). It is not clear how the text in t=
his
> document applies to hashing based selection, and I don=E2=80=99t see how =
the text
> applies to unicast-based selection. Some rewording/clarification are need=
ed
> here.
>
> GIM>> How would the use of an alternative UMH selection algorithm change
> documented use of p2mp BFD? Do you think that if the Upstream PE selected
> using, for example, hashing then defined use of BGP-BFD and p2mp BFD itse=
lf
> no longer applicable?
>
>
>
> Zzh> It=E2=80=99s not that the alternative UMH selection algorithm change
> documented use of p2mp BFD. It=E2=80=99s the other way around =E2=80=93 t=
unnel state
> changes the selection result. I guess hashing can still be used (this
> document only controls what goes into the candidate pool). For unicast
> based selection I thought it=E2=80=99d no longer work, but then I noticed=
 the
> following:
>
>
>
>    o  second, the UMH candidates that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel
>
>       that is "down" -- these will thus be used as a last resort to
>
>       ensure a graceful fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection
>
>       procedures in the hypothetical case where a false negative would
>
>       occur when determining the status of all tunnels
>
>
>
> Zzh> So this should still work, although Ideally, the PE advertising the
> next best route should be considered before going to the last resort (of
> using the PE advertising the best route but whose tunnel is down).
>
> GIM3>> I hope I've got the idea. Below is the updated text (second become=
s
third and your proposal - second):
NEW TEXT:
   o  Second, the PE advertising the next best route is to be
      considered.

   o  Third, the UMH candidates that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel
      that is "down" -- these will thus be used as a last resort to
      ensure a graceful fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection
      procedures in the hypothetical case where a false negative would
      occur when determining the status of all tunnels.

> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> zzh> BTW, the same applies to 3.1.7 as well.
>
> GIM>> Agree
>

>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>
> 3.1.7.  Per PE-CE link BFD Discriminator
>
>
>
>    The following approach is defined for the fast failover in response
>
>    to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selection for a
>
>    given C-multicast route takes into account the state of the BFD
>
>    session associated with the state of the upstream PE-CE link.
>
>
>
> 3.1.7.1.  Upstream PE Procedures
>
>
>
>    For each protected PE-CE link, the upstream PE initiates a multipoint
>
>    BFD session [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint] as MultipointHead toward
>
>    downstream PEs.  A downstream PE monitors the state of the p2mp
>
>    session as MultipointTail and MAY interpret transition of the BFD
>
>    session into Down state as the indication of the associated PE-CE
>
>    link being down.
>
>
>
> Since the BFD packets are sent over the P2MP tunnel not the PE-CE link, m=
y
> understanding is that the BFD discriminator is still for the tunnel and n=
ot
> tied to the PE-CE link; but different from the previous case, the root wi=
ll
> stop sending BFD messages when it detects the PE-CE link failure. As far =
as
> the egress PEs are concerned, they don=E2=80=99t know if it is the tunnel=
 failure
> or PE-CE link failure.
>
>
>
> If my understanding is correct, the wording should be changed.
>
> GIM>> There are other than stopping transmission of BFD control packets
> ways to distinguish two conditions for the egress PE. For example, the
> MultipointHead MAY set the State to AdminDown and continue sending BFD
> control packets. If and when PE-CE link restored to Up, the MultipointHea=
d
> can set the state to Up in the BFD control packet.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D this need=
s more discussion =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D should be clear on which way is done =E2=80=93 stop sendi=
ng BFD message or
> use AdminDown
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D an PMSI may be used for many flows, which may use differe=
nt PE-CE
> interfaces on the ingress PE. A downstream PE would not know which
> interface it should track for a particular flow.
>
> GIM3>> Thank you for helping me to understand the problem with PE-CE and
p2mp BFD. I've updated the paragraph is 3.1.7, I've found the better method
to indicate the PE-CE link failure to the downstream. Also, stress that
though it is likely that PE-CE association be 1:1, it is outside the scope
of the draft. Please let me know if the new text addresses your questions:
NEW TEXT:
   The following approach is defined for the fast failover in response
   to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selection for a
   given C-multicast route takes into account the state of the BFD
   session associated with the state of the upstream PE-CE link.
   According to section 6.8.17 [RFC5880], failure of a PE-CE link MAY be
   communicated to the downstream PE by setting the bfd.LocalDiag of the
   p2mp BFD session associated with this link to Concatenated Path Down
   and/or Reverse Concatenated Path Down.  The mechanism to communicate
   the mapping between the PE-CE link and the associated BFD session is
   outside the scope of this document.


>
>
>    =E2=80=A6  If the route to the
>
>    src/RP changes such that the RPF interface is changed to be a new PE-
>
>    CE interface, then the upstream PE will update the S-PMSI A-D route
>
>    with included BGP-BFD Attribute so that value of the BFD
>
>    Discriminator is associated with the new RPF link.
>
>
>
> If the RPF interface changes on the upstream PE, why should it update the
> route to send a new discriminator? As long as there is a new RPF interfac=
e
> couldn=E2=80=99t the upstream PE do nothing but start tracking the new RP=
F
> interface?
>
> GIM>> I'll defer this one to Thomas and Rob.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Zzh> I re-read section 3.1.6 and 3.1.7 and have more questions =F0=9F=98=
=8A
>
> Zzh> 3.1.6 seems to be about tracking tunnel itself while 3.1.7 is about
> tracking PE-CE interfaces. From an egress point of view, (how) does it kn=
ow
> if the discriminator is for the tunnel or for PE-CE interface 1 or PE-CE
> interface 2? Does it even care? It seems to me that an egress PE would no=
t
> need to care. If so, why are there different procedures for 3.1.6/3.1.7 (=
at
> least for the egress PE behavior)? Even for the upstream PE behavior,
> shouldn=E2=80=99t 3.1.6.1 apply to 3.1.7 as well?
>
> GIM>> Added the following text to the first paragraph of section 3.1.7:
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
> The mechanism to communicate the mapping between the PE-CE link
>
> and the associated BFD session is outside the scope of this document.
>
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D the above added text does n=
ot address my questions
>
>
>
> Regardless which way (the currently described way and my imagined way),
> some text should be added to discuss how the downstream would not switch =
to
> another upstream PE when the primary PE is just going through a RPF chang=
e.
>
> GIM>>  Would appending the following text be acceptable to address your
> concern:
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
>    To avoid unwarranted switchover a downstream PE MUST gracefully handle
> the
>
>    updated S-PMSI A-D route and switch to the use of the associated BFD
>
>    Discriminator value.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D how that is done need=
s to be discussed
>
> GIM3>> I think that this is implementation issue and we just point to the
recommended behavior without prescribing what steps must be taken to
achieve it.

>
>
> 4.  Standby C-multicast route
>
>
>
>    The procedures described below are limited to the case where the site
>
>    that contains C-S is connected to exactly two PEs. The procedures
>
>    require all the PEs of that MVPN to follow the single forwarder PE
>
>    selection, as specified in [RFC6513].
>
>
>
>
>
> Why would it not work with more than two upstream PEs?
>
> Why is it limited to single forwarder selection? What about unicast based
> selection?
>
> GIM>> Again, asking for Thomas and Rob to help..
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D
>
>
>
>
>
> Juniper Internal
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeff=
rey,<div>thank you for your consideration and the detailed comments with gr=
eat suggestions. Please find my answers below under GIM3&gt;&gt; tag. Attac=
hed is the diff to highlight the updates.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,=
</div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:43 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">







<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Hi Greg,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Most of changes are fine; though I suggest to replace the following:<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>considered up if one or more of the P2MP RSVP-TE LSPs to the same PE=
,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>identified by the P-tunnel Attribute, are in Up state.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
With the following:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span>considered up if the sub-LSP to this downstream PE is in Up state.</=
span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>GIM3&gt;&gt; Accept with one questio=
n. As this is the first sentence in the section, what is the PE we refer to=
 as &quot;this downstream PE&quot;? Should we use &quot;a downstream PE&quo=
t;?=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=
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ck"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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Not all comments have been addressed, though. I trimmed some text below and=
 highlighted the outstanding ones with =E2=80=9C=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=E2=80=9D.
 You may need to refer to my previous email for correlation/details.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
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<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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Jeffrey</span><b><span><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:04 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zh=
ang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juni=
per.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Thomas, Bob,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Some questions below for you. Some old, and some new.</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
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=C2=A0=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960gmail-m-70=
76389122595309638gmail-m-3405373157246802274spelle"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Zzh</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&gt;
 It=E2=80=99s not that the =E2=80=9Crules =E2=80=A6 are not consistent=E2=
=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s that by nature some PEs may think the tunnel is down w=
hile the others may think the tunnel is still up (because they=E2=80=99re o=
n different tunnel branches), even when they follow the same rules. Traffic=
 duplication
 in this case is also only with inclusive tunnels =E2=80=93 so how about th=
e following?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Because all PEs may arrive at a differe=
nt<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0conclusion regarding the state of the t=
unnel,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0procedures described in Section 9.1.1 o=
f [RFC 6513] MUST be used<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">when using inclusive tun=
nels.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></block=
quote><div>GIM3&gt;&gt; Got it, thx. Would s/may/could/ be acceptable to av=
oid questions about RFC2119-like language?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"g=
mail-m_1593693988399353960WordSection1"><div style=3D"border-top:none;borde=
r-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0i=
n 0in 4pt"><div><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-=
right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
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ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0Additionally, the text in section 3 seems to be more biased on Single=
 Forwarder Election choosing the UMH with the highest IP address.
 Section 5 of RFC6513 also describes two other options, hashing or based on=
 =E2=80=9Cinstalled UMH route=E2=80=9D (aka unicast-based). It is not clear=
 how the text in this document applies to hashing based selection, and I do=
n=E2=80=99t see how the text applies to unicast-based selection.
 Some rewording/clarification are needed here.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; How would the use of an alternative UMH =
selection algorithm change documented use of p2mp BFD? Do you think that if=
 the Upstream PE selected using, for example, hashing then
 defined use of BGP-BFD and p2mp BFD itself no longer applicable?<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960gmail-m-70=
76389122595309638gmail-m-3405373157246802274spelle"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Zzh</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&gt;
 It=E2=80=99s not that the alternative UMH selection algorithm change docum=
ented use of p2mp BFD. It=E2=80=99s the other way around =E2=80=93 tunnel s=
tate changes the selection result. I guess hashing can still be used (this =
document only controls what goes into the candidate pool).
 For unicast based selection I thought it=E2=80=99d no longer work, but the=
n I noticed the following:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 second, the UMH candidates =
that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that is &quot;dow=
n&quot; -- these will thus be used as a last resort to</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ensure a graceful=
 fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 procedures in the=
 hypothetical case where a false negative would</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 occur when determ=
ining the status of all tunnels</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960gmail-m-70=
76389122595309638gmail-m-3405373157246802274spelle"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Zzh</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&gt;
 So this should still work, although Ideally, the PE advertising the next b=
est route should be considered before going to the last resort (of using th=
e PE advertising the best route but whose tunnel is down).</span></p></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>GIM3&gt;&gt; I ho=
pe I&#39;ve got the idea. Below is the updated text (second becomes third a=
nd your proposal - second):</div><div>NEW TEXT:</div><div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0o=C2=A0 Second, the PE advertising the next best route is to be</div><di=
v>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 considered.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=
=C2=A0 Third, the UMH candidates that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that is &quot;down&quot; -- these will thus be=
 used as a last resort to</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ensure a graceful =
fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pro=
cedures in the hypothetical case where a false negative would</div><div>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 occur when determining the status of all tunnels.</div></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><=
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top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;=
padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border-to=
p:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div st=
yle=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5=
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div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,12=
5)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960gmail-m-70=
76389122595309638gmail-m-3405373157246802274spelle"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">zzh</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&gt;
 BTW, the same applies to 3.1.7 as well.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Agree=C2=A0</p></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960Wor=
dSection1"><div style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:no=
ne;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div><div><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
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<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">3.1.7.=C2=A0 Per PE-CE link BFD Discriminator</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The following approach is defined f=
or the fast failover in response</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 to the detection of PE-CE link fail=
ures, in which UMH selection for a</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 given C-multicast route takes into =
account the state of the BFD</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 session associated with the state o=
f the upstream PE-CE link.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">3.1.7.1.=C2=A0 Upstream PE Procedures</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 For each protected PE-CE link, the =
upstream PE initiates a multipoint</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 BFD session [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoin=
t] as MultipointHead toward</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 downstream PEs.=C2=A0 A downstream =
PE monitors the state of the p2mp</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 session as MultipointTail and MAY i=
nterpret transition of the BFD</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 session into Down state as the indi=
cation of the associated PE-CE</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 link being down.</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,78,121)">=
Since the BFD packets are sent over the P2MP tunnel not the PE-CE link, my =
understanding is that the BFD discriminator is still for
 the tunnel and not tied to the PE-CE link; but different from the previous=
 case, the root will stop sending BFD messages when it detects the PE-CE li=
nk failure. As far as the egress PEs are concerned, they don=E2=80=99t know=
 if it is the tunnel failure or PE-CE link
 failure.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,78,121)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,78,121)">=
If my understanding is correct, the wording should be changed.</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; There are other than stopping transmissi=
on of BFD control packets ways to distinguish two conditions for the egress=
 PE. For example, the MultipointHead MAY set the State to
 AdminDown and continue sending BFD control packets. If and when PE-CE link=
 restored to Up, the MultipointHead can set the state to Up in the BFD cont=
rol packet.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D this needs more discussion =3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D should =
be clear on which way is done =E2=80=93 stop sending BFD message or use Adm=
inDown<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:22.05pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D an PMSI=
 may be used for many flows, which may use different PE-CE interfaces on th=
e ingress PE. A downstream PE would not know which interface
 it should track for a particular flow.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-top:5p=
t;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,78,121)">=
</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></blockquote><div>GIM3&gt;&gt; Thank you for helping me to understand the =
problem with PE-CE and p2mp BFD. I&#39;ve updated the paragraph is 3.1.7, I=
&#39;ve found the better method to indicate the PE-CE link failure to the d=
ownstream. Also, stress that though it is likely that PE-CE association be =
1:1, it is outside the scope of the draft. Please let me know if the new te=
xt addresses your questions:</div><div>NEW TEXT:</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0The=
 following approach is defined for the fast failover in response</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selectio=
n for a</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0given C-multicast route takes into account t=
he state of the BFD</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0session associated with the stat=
e of the upstream PE-CE link.</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0According to section 6=
.8.17 [RFC5880], failure of a PE-CE link MAY be</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0comm=
unicated to the downstream PE by setting the bfd.LocalDiag of the</div><div=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0p2mp BFD session associated with this link to Concatenated Pa=
th Down</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0and/or Reverse Concatenated Path Down.=C2=A0=
 The mechanism to communicate</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the mapping between th=
e PE-CE link and the associated BFD session is</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0outsi=
de the scope of this document.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_15936=
93988399353960WordSection1"><div style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none=
;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><=
div><div><div><div><blockquote><div><div><div style=3D"border-top:none;bord=
er-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0=
in 0in 4pt"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border-=
top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bo=
ttom:5pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;co=
lor:rgb(31,78,121)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=C2=A0 If the route to the=
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 src/RP changes such that the RPF in=
terface is changed to be a new PE-</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 CE interface, then the upstream PE =
will update the S-PMSI A-D route</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 with included BGP-BFD Attribute so =
that value of the BFD</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Discriminator is associated with th=
e new RPF link.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
If the RPF interface changes on the upstream PE, why should it update the r=
oute to send a new discriminator? As long as there is a new
 RPF interface couldn=E2=80=99t the upstream PE do nothing but start tracki=
ng the new RPF interface?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; I&#39;ll defer this one to Thomas and Ro=
b.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960gmail-m-70=
76389122595309638gmail-m-3405373157246802274spelle"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Zzh</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&gt;
 I re-read section 3.1.6 and 3.1.7 and have more questions </span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(31,73,125)">=F0=9F=98=8A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960gmail-m-70=
76389122595309638gmail-m-3405373157246802274spelle"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Zzh</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&gt;
 3.1.6 seems to be about tracking tunnel itself while 3.1.7 is about tracki=
ng PE-CE interfaces. From an egress point of view, (how) does it know if th=
e discriminator is for the tunnel or for PE-CE interface 1 or PE-CE interfa=
ce 2? Does it even care? It seems
 to me that an egress PE would not need to care. If so, why are there diffe=
rent procedures for 3.1.6/3.1.7 (at least for the egress PE behavior)? Even=
 for the upstream PE behavior, shouldn=E2=80=99t 3.1.6.1 apply to 3.1.7 as =
well?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Added the following text to the first pa=
ragraph of section 3.1.7:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">NEW TEXT:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The mechanism to communicate the mapping between the=
 PE-CE link<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and the associated BFD session is outside the scope =
of this document.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D the above added text does not=
 address my questions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-l=
eft:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-top:5p=
t;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Regardless which way (the currently described way and my imagined way), som=
e text should be added to discuss how the downstream would
 not switch to another upstream PE when the primary PE is just going throug=
h a RPF change.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 Would appending the following text=
 be acceptable to address your concern:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">NEW TEXT:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0To avoid unwarranted switchover a downs=
tream PE MUST gracefully handle the<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0updated S-PMSI A-D route and switch to =
the use of the associated BFD<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Discriminator value.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D how that is done needs =
to be discussed</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></blockquote><div>GIM3&gt;&gt; I think that this is implementation issue=
 and we just point to the recommended behavior without prescribing what ste=
ps must be taken to achieve it.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960Wo=
rdSection1"><div style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:n=
one;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div><div><d=
iv><blockquote><div><div><div style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;bo=
rder-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div=
><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">4.=C2=A0 Standby C-multicast route</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The procedures described below are =
limited to the case where the site</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 that contains C-S is connecte=
d to exactly two PEs. The procedures</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 require all the PEs of that MVPN to=
 follow the single forwarder PE</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 selection, as specified in [RFC6513=
].=C2=A0
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Cour=
ier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Why would it not work with more than two upstream PEs?</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Why is it limited to single forwarder selection? What about unicast based s=
election?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Again, asking for Thomas and Rob to help=
..=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:66.15pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1593693988399353960msipfootere12104fd" align=3D"center"=
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<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:rgb(115,115,115)">Juniper Internal</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p>
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> Hi,
>
> section 3.1 of EVPN VPWS rfc 8214 specify's the usage of EAD per ES route
> and ESI label extended community for EVPN VPWS. it is not very clear on
> what should sender fill in the ESI label field for EVPN VPWS multi homing.
> as there is no concept of flooding and split horizon procedures are not
> applicable for VPWS. please clarify on this.
>
> Regards,
> Gangadhar
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> Can we set a date to discuss the IP sec tunnels?   Do you want to talk
> as routing chairs before we include the IPSEC and I2NSF chairs?

I didn't see an answer to this -- did I miss the meeting setup?

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HI Jorge,

Thanks for the quick reply.

Regards,
Gangadhar

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:27 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <
jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Remember that the same ES can be shared by Eline, ELAN, Etree and other
> EVPN services, in which you still need the ESI label. So I would follow
> RFC7432 for this.
>
> On reception a PE should ignore the ESI label value if only EVPN VPWS
> services are running.
>
>
>
> As a side note, this document is trying to clarify that the ESI label may
> be zero if no ESI-label based split-horizon is used:
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nr-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizon-00
>
>
>
> Thx
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> *From: *BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of gangadhara reddy chavva
> <meetgangadhara@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:39 PM
> *To: *"bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [bess] Question on split horizon label for EVPN VPWS Multi
> homing
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> section 3.1 of EVPN VPWS rfc 8214 specify's the usage of EAD per ES route
> and ESI label extended community for EVPN VPWS. it is not very clear on
> what should sender fill in the ESI label field for EVPN VPWS multi homing.
> as there is no concept of flooding and split horizon procedures are not
> applicable for VPWS.. please clarify on this.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Gangadhar
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">HI Jorge,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the quick reply.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Gangadhar</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 13, 2=
019 at 8:27 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com">jorge.rabadan@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5237330242896345551WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Remember that the same ES can be shared by Eline, ELAN, Etree and other E=
VPN services, in which you still need the ESI label. So I would follow RFC7=
432 for this.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">On reception a PE should ignore the ESI label value if only EVPN VPWS ser=
vices are running.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">As a side note, this document is trying to clarify that the ESI label may=
 be zero if no ESI-label based split-horizon is used:<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nr-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizo=
n-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nr-bess-evpn-mh-s=
plit-horizon-00</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Thx<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Jorge<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">BESS &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt=
; on behalf of gangadhara reddy chavva &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:meetgangadhara=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">meetgangadhara@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ie=
tf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bes=
s@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [bess] Question on split horizon label for EVPN VPWS Mu=
lti homing<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">Hi, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">section 3.1 of EVPN VPWS =
rfc 8214 specify&#39;s the usage of EAD per ES route and ESI label extended=
 community for EVPN VPWS. it is not very clear on what should sender fill i=
n the ESI label field for EVPN VPWS multi
 homing. as there is no concept of flooding and split horizon procedures ar=
e not applicable for VPWS.. please clarify on this.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36pt">Gangadhar<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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Hi,

We have a good amount of support.
This draft is adopted as a WG document.

Authors,

Please republish the document with -ietf- v00.

Thanks,


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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 09:37
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Subject: [bess] WG adoption call & IPR poll for draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-pi=
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Hi,


This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-=
ping-08[1]

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis=
t.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
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This poll for adoption closes on 21th May 2019.

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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jain-bess-evpn-lsp-ping/

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We have a good amount =
of support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">This draft is adopted =
as a WG document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Authors,<o:p></o:p></s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please republish the d=
ocument with &#8211;ietf- v00.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>stephane.litkowski@orange.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 07, 2019 09:37<br>
<b>To:</b> bess@ietf.org<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">This email begins a tw=
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ng=3D"EN-GB">[1]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please review the draft and pos=
t any comments to the BESS working group list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are also&nbsp;polling for kn=
owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha=
t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, =
4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are listed as an author =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Currently, there are no IPR dis=
closures against this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are not listed as an aut=
hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware =
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This poll for adoption closes o=
n 21<sup>th</sup> May 2019. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
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This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g=
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t.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
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This poll for adoption closes on 5th June 2019.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">This email begins a tw=
o-week poll for adoption of </span>draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-04<span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">[1]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please review the draft and pos=
t any comments to the BESS working group list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are also&nbsp;polling for kn=
owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha=
t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, =
4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are listed as an author =
or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat=
e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the=
 BESS mailing list. The document won't
 progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Currently, there are no IPR dis=
closures against this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are not listed as an aut=
hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware =
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This poll for adoption closes o=
n 5<sup>th</sup> June 2019. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Stephane and Matthew</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;s=
erif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
t-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve/">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve/</a><o:p></=
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Support, not aware of any IPR

Yours Irrespectively,

John



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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:55 AM
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Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g=
eneve

Hi,


This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g=
eneve-04[1]

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis=
t.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re=
spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva=
nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr=
ess without answers from all the authors and contributors.
Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly=
 respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i=
n conformance with IETF rules.

This poll for adoption closes on 5th June 2019.

Regards,
Stephane and Matthew

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve/<https:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yours Irrespectively,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BESS &lt;bess-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>
stephane.litkowski@orange.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bess@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bess-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">This email begins a tw=
o-week poll for adoption of </span>draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-04<span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">[1]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please review the draft and pos=
t any comments to the BESS working group list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are also&nbsp;polling for kn=
owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha=
t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, =
4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are listed as an author =
or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat=
e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the=
 BESS mailing list. The document won't
 progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Currently, there are no IPR dis=
closures against this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are not listed as an aut=
hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware =
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This poll for adoption closes o=
n 5<sup>th</sup> June 2019. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Stephane and Matthew</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : LSP-Ping Mechanisms for EVPN and PBB-EVPN
        Authors         : Parag Jain
                          Samer Salam
                          Ali Sajassi
                          Sami Boutros
                          Greg Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-lsp-ping-00.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2019-05-22

Abstract:
   LSP-Ping is a widely deployed Operation, Administration, and
   Maintenance (OAM) mechanism in MPLS networks.  This document
   describes mechanisms for detecting data-plane failures using LSP Ping
   in MPLS based EVPN and PBB-EVPN networks.


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Hi, folks:
Have a quick review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-07, I am confused about EV=
PN adding dependency to L2VPN YANG. A few quick comments as follows:

1.       Section 1, last paragraph:

Try to understand the relation between L2VPN YANG and EVPN YANG. Is etherne=
t-segment model is specific to EVPN? It looks Ethernet segment can also be =
used to model pseudowire which is defined in L2VPN model?

Is L2VPN model a base model while EVPN model is extension to L2VPN model? I=
f this is true, can we move etherent-segment model into L2VPN model draft a=
nd consolidate with pseudowire model?

2.       Section 1, last paragraph said:

"That interface can be a physical interface,

   a bundle interface or virtual interface. The latter includes

   attachment-circuit and pseudowire.

"

What does the latter refer to?

Bundle interface or virtual interface or both

3.       Section 3.3 module ietf-evpn

If EVPN model is extension to L2VPN model, I believe these common attribute=
s should be moved to L2VPN model draft? Make sense? Also It will be great t=
o align with ietf-bgp-l3vpn, change the name into ietf-bgp-evpn

4.       Section 3.3, schema tree

Why bgp-parameters are repeated in both ietf-evpn or Ethernet-segment? Is t=
here any rationale behind?

Not sure vpls-constraint attribute is specific to EVPN? Why not define it i=
n the L3VPN model draft?

Confusing the relationship between L2VPN and EVPN.

I would suggest both L2VPN and EVPN augment from Network Instance model and=
 add L2VPN and EVPN specific parameters to address this confusion.



-Qin



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<p class=3D"MsoCommentText" style=3D"margin-left:18.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
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t to align with ietf-bgp-l3vpn, change
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<p class=3D"MsoCommentText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">-Qin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I see draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang-04 is buried in the BESS mailing list disc=
ussion and a bunches of BESS drafts that wait for progressing, it is really=
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Two quick comments on section 3.2.6

1.       Why route-policy is repeated in two places, one is under vpn-targe=
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2.       Why tunnel policy is defined as string? How do we support fine gra=
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e.g., how to support different tunnel encapsulation?

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">I agree with Stephane for the following suggestion, it will be gr=
eat to see these three draft can factor out common building block or all au=
gment from Network instance model separately,
 without any dependency on each other?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Factoring out common building block will be a good approach, one =
a good example is resolve dependency between TEAS topology model and TE tun=
nel model, to move TE topo forward, common
 TE type have been factored out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">All Augment from Network instance model without dependency also m=
ake sense to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">I want to hear authors=A1=AF feedback on the above two proposed a=
pproaches.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">-Qin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=
=C5=BA=DA&quot;,sans-serif">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span>=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=
=C5=BA=DA&quot;,sans-serif"> BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org]
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,s=
ans-serif">=B4=FA=B1=ED </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,sans-serif">stephane.litkowski@orang=
e.com<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,s=
ans-serif">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&qu=
ot;,sans-serif"> 2018</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=
=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,sans-serif">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">10</span>=D4=C2<s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US">22</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US">
 20:29<br>
</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-l2vpn-yang@ietf=
.org; draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang@ietf.org<br>
</span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> bess@ietf.org<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> [bess] LxVPN and EVPN yang models<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Authors,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Speaking as individual, after r=
eading the last versions of your module, I still have several concerns abou=
t the consistency of the modeling across all models.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">There are common components bet=
ween all the models that could be shared or at least modeled in the same wa=
y:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Model name: L3VPN uses =
ietf-bgp-l3vpn while others use ietf-evpn or ietf-l2vpn<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Route-target import/exp=
ort and route-distinguisher:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Under bgp-parameters/co=
mmon/rd-rt/ for EVPN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Under bgp-auto-discover=
y for L2VPN (that could make sense here but it is weird in term of config c=
onsistency =3D&gt; maybe better to have a bgp-auto-discovery Boolean or may=
be the discovery-type is enough to know
 that bgp-auto-discovery is used ?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Under ipv4 or ipv6 for =
l3vpn RTs but rd is at top level. That could make sense but again the confi=
guration is slightly different from other AFI/SAFIs. Having different imp/e=
xp for IPv4 and IPv6 is a valid use
 case, but you should also allow to have the same config for both without d=
efining per AFI/SAFI config.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">RIB route limits could =
also be modeled the same way
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Modelization of route e=
ntries in the RIB could be modeled in the same way across model
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Attachment to the NI:<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">I don=A1=AFt understand=
 how EVPN is integrated in L2VPN. It seems that you add a pointer (referenc=
e) to an EVPN instance which is in a completely different tree. That looks =
really strange and make EVPN instance configuration
 completely different from an L3VPN instance or L2VPN instance. Do you plan=
 to reuse the config parameters from L2VPN or do you prefer creating a comp=
letely different tree ? If you prefer a completely different tree why not c=
reating an EVPN ni-type ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Can=A1=AFt we have one model de=
fining some bgp-vpn containers possibly as a separate module that could be =
reused across all models ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Happy to hear your feedback.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Brgds,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Stephane</span><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">_________________________________________________=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC
        Authors         : Adrian Farrel
                          John Drake
                          Eric Rosen
                          Jim Uttaro
                          Luay Jalil
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-11.txt
	Pages           : 58
	Date            : 2019-05-30

Abstract:
   This document describes the use of BGP as a control plane for
   networks that support Service Function Chaining (SFC).  The document
   introduces a new BGP address family called the SFC AFI/SAFI with two
   route types.  One route type is originated by a node to advertise
   that it hosts a particular instance of a specified service function.
   This route type also provides "instructions" on how to send a packet
   to the hosting node in a way that indicates that the service function
   has to be applied to the packet.  The other route type is used by a
   Controller to advertise the paths of "chains" of service functions,
   and to give a unique designator to each such path so that they can be
   used in conjunction with the Network Service Header defined in RFC
   8300.

   This document adopts the SFC architecture described in RFC 7665.


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Hi Stephane,

Thanks again for the thoroughness of your review and the time it has =
taken to herd the necessary cats.

* BGP ERROR HANDLING:
>>>> I don=E2=80=99t see the =E2=80=9Cerror handling=E2=80=9D behavior =
associated with this attribute
>>>> (discard, treat-as-withdraw=E2=80=A6)
>>>
>>> I think the errors are covered by section 6 of RFC 4271, but we need =
to
>>> point to it.
>>>
>>> [SLI] You have added " Malformed SFP attributes, or those that in =
error in
>>> some way, MUST be handled as described in Section 6 of [RFC4271]"
>>> This is not enough ad RFC7606 allows for a more "graceful" process =
of=20
>>> errors and it's up to each new attribute to have its own behavior in =
term
>>> of error processing. RFC7606 has some guidelines.
>>
>> This one will take a little more time to work up some text.
>> We'll get back to you.
>>
>> [SLI2] This is an important thing to address, and the IESG or Routing =
Directorate
>> may catch that as well.
>
> OK, a chunk more text. Does this work for you?
>
>   Section 6 of [RFC4271] describes the handling of malformed BGP
>   attributes, or those that are in error in some way.  [RFC7606]
>   revises BGP error handling specifically for the for UPDATE message,
>   provides guidelines for the authors of documents defining new
>   attributes, and revises the error handling procedures for a number =
of
>   existing attributes.  This document introduces the SFP attribute and
>   so defines error handling as follows:
>
>   o  When parsing a message, an unknown Attribute Type code or a =
length
>      that suggests that the attribute is longer than the remaining
>      message is treated as a malformed message and the "treat-as-
>      withdraw" approach used as per [RFC7606].
>
>   o  When parsing a message that contains an SFP attribute, the
>      following cases constitute errors:
>
>      1.  Optional bit is set to 0 in SFP attribute.
>
>      2.  Transitive bit is set to 0 in SFP attribute.
>
>      3.  Unknown TLV type field found in SFP attribute.
>
>      4.  TLV length that suggests the TLV extends beyond the end of =
the
>          SFP attribute.
>
>      5.  Association TLV contains an unknown SFPR-RD.
>
>[SLI] That's a bit weird to find this here as the Association TLV =
hasn't been introduced.
> Wouldn't it be better to add a dedicated Error Handling section (e.g. =
3.2.3) after all the encodings ?

I think we introduced it in the text at the top of the page (i.e. a few =
paragraphs earlier). It reads OK to me and it is better to group =
together the format handling issues in one place and with the text that =
describes the presence rules.

>      6.  No Hop TLV found in the SFP attribute.
>
>      7.  No SFT TLV found in a Hop TLV.
>
> [SLI] That's strange, as section 3.2.1.3 says that the SFT TLV MAY be =
included, so optional...

Ah, this should read "No sub-TLV found in a Hop TLV".
Per 3.2.1.2 "At least one sub-TLV MUST be present."

>     8.  Unknown SFIR-RD found in a Hop TLV.
>
>   o  The errors listed above are treated as follows:
>
>      1., 2., 6., 7.:  The attribute MUST be treated as malformed and
>         the "treat-as-withdraw" approach used as per [RFC7606].
>
>      3.:  Unknown TLVs SHOULD be ignored, and message processing =
SHOULD
>         continue.
>
>      4.:  Treated as a malformed message and the "treat-as-withdraw"
>         approach used as per [RFC7606]
>
>      5., 8.:  The absence of an RD with which to corollate is nothing
>         more than a soft error.  The receiver SHOULD store the
>         information from the SFP attribute until a corresponding
>         advertisement is received.  An implementation MAY time-out =
such
>         stored SFP attributes to avoid becoming over-loaded.
>
> [SLI] That's not really an error, there may be a lot of transient =
situations
>  where some routes haven't been learned yet leading to such situation. =

> I don't think that we need to time-out (even optionally) as timing out =
may
> create inconsistencies in the controlplane. What you could suggest is=20
> alarming to let the user know that something wrong is happening.

Timing this out is a housekeeping thing. Without it there can be a bleed =
of router resources. Might not be large, but over time (and with a =
bugged implementation somewhere else in the network) it could add up.

But:
1. We should give guidance on the time-out. A largish time-out of the =
order of 30 minutes would be fine.
2. Yes, there should be a user notification when this happens.

So...

      5., 8.:  The absence of an RD with which to corollate is nothing
         more than a soft error.  The receiver SHOULD store the
         information from the SFP attribute until a corresponding
         advertisement is received.  An implementation MAY time-out such
         stored SFP attributes to avoid becoming over-loaded.  The =
time-out
         value should be configurable and measured in minutes; a default
         value of 30 minutes is suggested.  Whenever an implementation
         removes a stored SFP attribute, it SHOULD generate a =
notification
         to the network operator.

> * FLOWSPEC traffic steering:
>>>> NEW COMMENT:
>>>> Section 5:
>>>> "Note that each FlowSpec update MUST be tagged with the route =
target
>>>>  of the overlay or VPN network for which it is intended."
>>> [SLI] You should be more clear that VPN-IPv4 and VPN-IPv6 Flowspec
>>> families must be used, it's not just a matter of RTs.
>>
>> A couple of the authors have discussed this a bit and we are puzzled.
>>
>> RFC 5575 section 8 discusses the applicability of Flowspecs to VPNs.
>> =
https://www.iana.org/assignments/flow-spec/flow-spec.xhtml#flow-spec-2=20
>> does not list any VPN Flowspecs.
>> draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec makes observations about VPN =
identification
>> and applicability to Flowspecs.
>> draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn has a redefinition of SAFI 134 to apply =
to=20
>> Flowspecs to an L2VPN environment.
>>
>> [SLI2] I see various cases:
>> - traffic is coming from an IPVPNv4 and should be steered on an SFC, =
in such
>>   a case RFC5575 Section 8 (AFI/SAFI 1/134) must be used, an RT is =
attached.
>> - traffic is coming from the global routing table and should be =
steered on an
>>   SFC, in such a case  the base RFC5575 using AFI/SAFI 1/133 must be =
used
>>   and there is no RT attached. The trick here is that you need to set =
in the
>>   action: - the SFC you want the traffic to be steered on as well as =
the VPN
>>   to look the SFC for (Like a redirect RT + SFC steering). If there =
is no VPN
>>   redirection, the SFC is considered to be available in the global =
routing table.
>> - traffic is coming from an L2VPN, this is similar to the L3VPN case.
>> - same considerations applies to IPv6 and VPNv6.
>
> OK, I think we need to separate two things.
> Section 5 is concerned with how to select among possible next hops on =
an
> SFP. That is, the packet is already classified and assigned to an SFP, =
but
> some load-balancing choices have to be made. So I don't think Section =
5 is
> the place for this discussion.
>
> However, Section 7.4 is about classifying traffic onto SFPs. =
Specifically, it is
> about how to indicate, using BGP, which traffic flows should be =
assigned
> to which SPF at the Classifier component of the SFC system. This =
section
> seems to be relevant to the question you are asking.
>
> But this second section seems to have it all covered by modelling =
exactly
> the flowspec function used in BGP flow specification and adding an
> extended community for SFC.
>
> [SLI] The comment was for section 7.4 (not section 5, sorry for the =
bad pointer).
> Only the last sentence is raising a concern on my side. It makes me =
think that
> it only applies to FlowSpec VPN (1/134) while it could be used in many =
use=20
> cases. As you are just adding a new action extended community, maybe =
you
> can just remove the last sentence. Adding RTs or not will depend on =
the
> context the action will be used in. We may need a review from the IDR =
guys
> on this section.=20

There are two separate things:
a) Place traffic from a VPN onto a specific SFC (use 1/134)
b) Place traffic onto an SFC that flows through a specific overlay or =
VPN=20
   (use RT)

We can do...
OLD
   Note that each FlowSpec update MUST be tagged with the route target
   of the overlay or VPN network for which it is intended to put the
   indicated SPI into context.
NEW
   One of the filters that the Flow Spec may describe is the VPN to=20
   which the traffic belongs.  Additionally, note that to put the
   indicated SPI into context when multiple SFC overlays are present in
   one network, each FlowSpec update MUST be tagged with the route=20
   target of the overlay or VPN network for which it is intended.
END


You also had a separate email exchange with me about FlowSpec actions. =
You flagged this up with the IDR chairs and it was noted that rfc5575bis =
says:
   Some traffic action communities may interfere with each other.
   Section 7.6 of this specification provides general considerations on
   such traffic action interference.  Any additional definition of a
   traffic actions specified by additional standards documents or vendor
   documents MUST specify if the traffic action interacts with an
   existing traffic actions, and provide error handling per [RFC7606].
John Scudder sent a note to the IDR list highlighting section 7.4 and =
asking for any input, but there was no comment raised.

However, we have returned to the relevant text and discussed it with the =
co-author who requested what was in earlier versions. We are not all in =
agreement that the text should be:

OLD
   [RFC5575] defines a set of BGP routes that can be used to identify
   the packets in a given flow using fields in the header of each
   packet, and a set of actions, encoded as extended communities, that
   can be used to disposition those packets.  This document enables the
   use of RFC 5575 mechanisms by SFC Classifiers by defining a new
   action extended community called "Flow Spec for SFC classifiers"
   identified by the value TBD4.  Note that other action extended
   communities may also be present.
NEW
    [RFC5575]  and [I-D.ietf-idr-rfc5575bis] define a set of BGP routes
    that can be used to identify the packets in a given flow using =
fields
    in the header of each packet, and a set of actions, encoded as
    extended communities, that can be used to disposition those
    packets.  This document enables the use of these mechanisms by
    SFC Classifiers by defining a new action extended community called
    "Flow Spec for SFC Classifiers" identified by the value TBD4.  Note
    that other action extended communities MUST NOT be present at
    the same time: the inclusion of the "Flow Spec for SFC Classifiers"
    action extended community along with any other action MUST be=20
    treated as an error which SHOULD result in the Flow Specification
    UPDATE message being handled as Treat-as-withdraw according to
    [RFC7606] Section 2.
END

I am sending that specific change to IDR as well.

The -11 version will be posted SOON.

Best,
Adrian







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Russ:=20

I'm sorry  missed sending you the doodle poll  link for June 4th and 5th =
 =20

https://doodle.com/poll/e32gnnsq8bchaqhm

I hope you can join us.=20

Sue Hares=20

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Subject: Re: [bess] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [I2nsf] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =
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> Can we set a date to discuss the IP sec tunnels?   Do you want to talk
> as routing chairs before we include the IPSEC and I2NSF chairs?

I didn't see an answer to this -- did I miss the meeting setup?

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Subject: Re: [bess] Poll to progress draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without implementation
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Stephane:=20

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[RFC5575bis author hat on]=20

In progressing the draft without an implementation, please review =
carefully to the error handling text that Adrian just added.=20

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Sue=20

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From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of =
stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [bess] Poll to progress =
draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without implementation

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Hi,

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We have a good amount of support to progress the document with =
implementations.

We (chairs) are now waiting for the next I-D update to move forward.

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Brgds,

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From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 19:55
To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; Sami Boutros
Cc: bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Poll to progress =
draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without implementation

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yes/support

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Cheers,=20

Jeff

On Apr 5, 2019, 10:53 AM -0700, Sami Boutros =
<boutross=3D40vmware.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, wrote:

Support, Please progress the document.
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Thanks,
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Sami
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Hi WG,
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draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane has passed WGLC and its finishing =
the shepherd's review phasis (I-D update required). It is in a good =
shape to progress further. However we are not aware of any =
implementation. As per our Implementation Requirement Policy, we need to =
poll the WG to know if WG agrees to progress the document without =
implementation.
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This email starts a 2 weeks poll closing on 04/18/2019.
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Please raise your support or any concern regarding the progress of this =
document without implementation.
If you are aware of any implementation, please also state it.
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane/
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Brgds,
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Stephane & Matthew

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BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>stephane.litkowski@orange.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 23, =
2019 7:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> bess@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] =
Poll to progress draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> =
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sami<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> =
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Hi WG,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> =
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane has passed =
WGLC and its finishing the shepherd's review phasis (I-D update =
required). It is in a good shape to progress further. However we are not =
aware of any implementation. As per our Implementation Requirement =
Policy, we need to poll the WG to know if WG agrees to progress the =
document without implementation.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> =
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>This email starts a 2 weeks poll closing on =
04/18/2019.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Please raise =
your support or any concern regarding the progress of this document =
without implementation.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>If you are aware of any =
implementation, please also state it.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> =
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-=
plane/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-=
plane/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> =
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Brgds,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> =
<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Stephane &amp; Matthew<o:p></o:p></pre><p =
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