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text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very happy to have more comments and help to clarify our text. =20 At this stage the authors believe they have addressed all comments = received during working group last call and from the shepherd=E2=80=99s = review. But (of course) any review that points up a problem or suggests = a clarification is a good review, and we would love to see it. =20 Thanks, Adrian =20 From: BESS On Behalf Of = stephane.litkowski@orange.com Sent: 03 June 2019 08:25 To: Susan Hares ; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Poll to progress = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without implementation =20 Hi Sue, =20 Thanks. This part is still under review and is not closed. If you have any = particular comments, feel free to send the details. It would be great if = you could also help the authors on the flowspec part of the draft if you = think that it is not fully clear. =20 Brgds, =20 Stephane =20 =20 From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 17:53 To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; bess@ietf.org Subject: RE: [bess] Poll to progress = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without implementation =20 Stephane:=20 =20 [RFC5575bis author hat on]=20 In progressing the draft without an implementation, please review = carefully to the error handling text that Adrian just added.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = stephane.litkowski@orange.com Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:55 AM To: bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Poll to progress = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without implementation =20 Hi, =20 We have a good amount of support to progress the document with = implementations. We (chairs) are now waiting for the next I-D update to move forward. =20 Brgds, =20 =20 From: Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 19:55 To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; Sami Boutros Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] Poll to progress = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without implementation =20 yes/support =20 Cheers,=20 Jeff On Apr 5, 2019, 10:53 AM -0700, Sami Boutros = , wrote: Support, Please progress the document. =20 Thanks, =20 Sami =20 Hi WG, =20 draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane has passed WGLC and its finishing = the shepherd's review phasis (I-D update required). It is in a good = shape to progress further. However we are not aware of any = implementation. As per our Implementation Requirement Policy, we need to = poll the WG to know if WG agrees to progress the document without = implementation. =20 This email starts a 2 weeks poll closing on 04/18/2019. =20 Please raise your support or any concern regarding the progress of this = document without implementation. If you are aware of any implementation, please also state it. =20 =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane/ =20 Brgds, =20 Stephane & Matthew =20 _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ =20 Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Very happy to have more comments and help to clarify our = text.

 

At this stage the authors believe they have addressed all = comments received during working group last call and from the = shepherd=E2=80=99s review. But (of course) any review that points up a = problem or suggests a clarification is a good review, and we would love = to see it.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From:<= /b> BESS = <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of = stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: 03 June 2019 = 08:25
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; = bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Poll to progress = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without = implementation

 

Hi Sue,

 

Thanks.

This part is still under review and is not closed. If you have any = particular comments, feel free to send the details. It would be great if = you could also help the authors on the flowspec part of the draft if you = think that it is not fully clear.

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane

 

 

From: Susan Hares = [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 = 17:53
To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; = bess@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [bess] Poll to progress = draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without = implementation

 

Stephane:

 

[RFC5575bis author hat on]

In progressing the draft without an implementation, please review = carefully to the error handling text that Adrian just added. =

 

Sue

 

From: BESS = [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, = 2019 7:55 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] = Poll to progress draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without = implementation

 

Hi,

 

We have a good amount of support to progress the document with = implementations.

We (chairs) are now waiting for the next I-D update to move = forward.

 

Brgds,

 

 

From: Jeff = Tantsura [mailto:jefftant.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April = 05, 2019 19:55
To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; Sami = Boutros
Cc: bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] Poll = to progress draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane without = implementation

 

yes/support

 

Cheers, =

Jeff=

On Apr 5, = 2019, 10:53 AM -0700, Sami Boutros = <boutross=3D40vmware.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, = wrote:

Support, Please =
progress the document.
 =

Thanks,
 =

Sami
 =

Hi =
WG,
 =

draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-controlplane has passed WGLC and =
its finishing the shepherd's review phasis (I-D update required). It is =
in a good shape to progress further. However we are not aware of any =
implementation. As per our Implementation Requirement Policy, we need to =
poll the WG to know if WG agrees to progress the document without =
implementation.
 =

This email starts a 2 =
weeks poll closing on 04/18/2019.
 
Please =
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If you are aware of any implementation, please also state =
it.
 =

 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-=
plane/
 =

Brgds,
 =

Stephane & =
Matthew

 

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The ESI label is allocated per MH ES and does not depend on the service or= on the method by which BUM frames are deliverd. This method only affects = the way in which it is used: - in the case of ingress replication a copy that is sent to the specific L= E attached to a given MH ES uses the label this PE has advertised for this= ES. I.e. it is used as downstream-allocated - In the case of P2MP LSPs (where all PEs receive the same copy) the trans= mitter uses the ESI label it has allocated for the ES (it is upstream-allo= cated), and each receiver uses the label(s) that identify the transmitter = PE as the context labels for its correct processing. RFC 7474 is quite clear in this regard from my POV. Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 15:38 Subject: Re: [bess] SHL label To: gangadhara reddy chavva, bess@ietf.org Hi, The ESI label is signaled in the A-D per ES route(s), and those routes are= (should be) service agnostic. Also as you can see in RFC7432, the ESI label is downstream allocated for = ingress replication but upstream allocated for p2mp - So it=92s not that y= ou allocate different ESI label per service, but the label that you use ha= s different owner. I think RFC7432 is pretty clear about this. Not sure where the confusion i= s. Thanks. Jorge From: gangadhara reddy chavva Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:05 PM To: "bess@ietf.org" , "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain = View)" Subject: SHL label Hi Jorge, I have a Question on EVPN MH SHL(split horizon label). Can ESI share the different SHL label for the same ESI? case 1: in the same ESI one customer EVPN VPN can have ingress replication= for the BUM traffic and second EVPN VPN ine the same ESI can do P2MP? in = this case SHL label should be different. case 2: can VPLS allocate one SHL and VPWS can allocate diffrent SHL label= ? or SHL should be same per ESI irrespective of number of applications ena= bled in that ESI. Thanks, Gangadhar __________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains inform= ation which is=20 CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Hi all,
I concur with Jorge.

The ESI label is allocated per MH ES and does not depend on the service or= on the method by which BUM frames are deliverd. This method only affects = the way in which it is used:
- in the case of ingress replication a copy that is sent to the specific L= E attached to a given MH ES uses the label this PE has advertised for this= ES. I.e. it is used as downstream-allocated
- In the case of P2MP LSPs (where all PEs receive the same copy) the trans= mitter uses the ESI label it has allocated for the ES (it is upstream-allo= cated), and each receiver uses the label(s) that identify the transmitter = PE  as the context labels for its correct processing.

RFC 7474 is quite clear in this regard from my POV.


Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein



From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 15:38
Subject: Re: [bess] SHL label
To: gangadhara reddy chavva, bess@ietf.org


Hi,
 
The ESI label is signaled in the A-D per ES route(s), and those routes are= (should be) service agnostic.
Also as you can see in RFC7432, the ESI label is downstream allocated for = ingress replication but upstream allocated for p2mp - So it=92s not that y= ou allocate different ESI label per service, but the label that you use ha= s different owner.
 
I think RFC7432 is pretty clear about this. Not sure where the confusion i= s.
 
Thanks.
Jorge
 
From: gangadhara reddy chavva <meetgangadhara@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:05 PM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>, "Rabadan,= Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Subject: SHL label
 
Hi Jorge,
 
I have a Question on EVPN MH SHL(split horizon label).
 
Can ESI share the different SHL label for the same ESI?
 
case 1: in the same ESI one customer EVPN VPN can have ingress repl= ication for the BUM traffic and second EVPN VPN ine the same ESI can do P2= MP? in this case SHL label should be different.
 
case 2: can VPLS allocate one SHL and VPWS can allocate diffrent SH= L label? or SHL should be same per ESI irrespective of number of applicati= ons enabled in that ESI.
 
Thanks,
Gangadhar
 



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If we are using P2MP tunnel for replicating BUM traffic, the ESI-label is assigned by upstream PE, but actually programmed by downstream PEs in the context of upstream-PE. In this case, does the upstream-PE still need to assign this label from its platform label-space ? ( In other words this label can't be used by upstream-PE to receive any incoming label traffic) The scenario I want to clarify is: we already have an EVI using P2MP tunnel for replicating BUM traffic, configured on this ES. And later we configure another EVI on this ES, where we want to use ingress replication for sending BUM traffic. Regards Anush On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:33 PM Alexander Vainshtein < Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I concur with Jorge. > > The ESI label is allocated per MH ES and does not depend on the service o= r > on the method by which BUM frames are deliverd. This method only affects > the way in which it is used: > - in the case of ingress replication a copy that is sent to the specific > LE attached to a given MH ES uses the label this PE has advertised for th= is > ES. I.e. it is used as downstream-allocated > - In the case of P2MP LSPs (where all PEs receive the same copy) the > transmitter uses the ESI label it has allocated for the ES (it is > upstream-allocated), and each receiver uses the label(s) that identify th= e > transmitter PE as the context labels for its correct processing. > > RFC 7474 is quite clear in this regard from my POV. > > > Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein > > > > From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) > Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 15:38 > Subject: Re: [bess] SHL label > To: gangadhara reddy chavva, bess@ietf.org > > > Hi, > > The ESI label is signaled in the A-D per ES route(s), and those routes ar= e > (should be) service agnostic. > Also as you can see in RFC7432, the ESI label is downstream allocated for > ingress replication but upstream allocated for p2mp - So it=E2=80=99s not= that you > allocate different ESI label per service, but the label that you use has > different owner. > > I think RFC7432 is pretty clear about this. Not sure where the confusion > is. > > Thanks. > Jorge > > *From: *gangadhara reddy chavva > *Date: *Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:05 PM > *To: *"bess@ietf.org" , "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - > US/Mountain View)" > *Subject: *SHL label > > Hi Jorge, > > I have a Question on EVPN MH SHL(split horizon label). > > Can ESI share the different SHL label for the same ESI? > > *case 1:* in the same ESI one customer EVPN VPN can have ingress > replication for the BUM traffic and second EVPN VPN ine the same ESI can = do > P2MP? in this case SHL label should be different. > > *case 2: *can VPLS allocate one SHL and VPWS can allocate diffrent SHL > label? or SHL should be same per ESI irrespective of number of applicatio= ns > enabled in that ESI. > > Thanks, > Gangadhar > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains > information which is > CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have > received this > transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then > delete the original > and all copies thereof. > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --000000000000ee7a0c058a8b520b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 I had a fol= low up question regarding this.

=C2=A0 If we are u= sing P2MP tunnel for replicating BUM traffic, the ESI-label is assigned by = upstream PE, but actually programmed by downstream PEs in the context of up= stream-PE. In this case, does the upstream-PE still need to assign this lab= el from its platform label-space ? ( In other words this label can't be= used by upstream-PE to receive any incoming label traffic)
<= br>
=C2=A0 The scenario I want to clarify is: we already=C2=A0 ha= ve an EVI using P2MP tunnel for replicating BUM traffic, configured on this= ES.
=C2=A0 And later we configure another EVI on this ES, where = we want to use ingress replication for sending BUM traffic.


Regards
Anush


On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:= 33 PM Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I concur with Jorge.

The ESI label is allocated per MH ES and does not depend on the service or = on the method by which BUM frames are deliverd. This method only affects th= e way in which it is used:
- in the case of ingress replication a copy that is sent to the specific LE= attached to a given MH ES uses the label this PE has advertised for this E= S. I.e. it is used as downstream-allocated
- In the case of P2MP LSPs (where all PEs receive the same copy) the transm= itter uses the ESI label it has allocated for the ES (it is upstream-alloca= ted), and each receiver uses the label(s) that identify the transmitter PE= =C2=A0 as the context labels for its correct processing.

RFC 7474 is quite clear in this regard from my POV.


Thumb typed by Sasha Vainshtein



From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 15:38
Subject: Re: [bess] SHL label
To: gangadhara reddy chavva, bess@ietf.org


Hi,
=C2=A0
The ESI label is signaled in the A-D per ES route(s), and those routes are = (should be) service agnostic.
Also as you can see in RFC7432, the ESI label is downstream allocated for i= ngress replication but upstream allocated for p2mp - So it=E2=80=99s not th= at you allocate different ESI label per service, but the label that you use= has different owner.
=C2=A0
I think RFC7432 is pretty clear about this. Not sure where the confusion is= .
=C2=A0
Thanks.
Jorge
=C2=A0
From: gangadhara reddy chavva <meetgangadhara@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:05 PM
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>, "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" &= lt;jorge.rabad= an@nokia.com>
Subject: SHL label
=C2=A0
Hi Jorge,
=C2=A0
I have a Question on EVPN MH SHL(split horizon label).
=C2=A0
Can ESI share the different SHL label for the same ESI?
=C2=A0
case 1: in the same ESI one customer EVPN VPN can have ingress repli= cation for the BUM traffic and second EVPN VPN ine the same ESI can do P2MP= ? in this case SHL label should be different.
=C2=A0
case 2: can VPLS allocate one SHL and VPWS can allocate diffrent SHL= label? or SHL should be same per ESI irrespective of number of application= s enabled in that ESI.
=C2=A0
Thanks,
Gangadhar
=C2=A0



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<10602_1558533285_5CE554A5_10602_17_17_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C22479C@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C231AC4OPEXCAUBMA3corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 07:53:38 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C231AC4OPEXCAUBMA3corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, We are currently missing the IPR reply from Sam to clear the IPR poll. In addition, we lack of significant support for this draft, however we have= n't seen any objection yet. We, chairs, think that this document is an important piece of work as GENEV= E is the standard overlay from NVO3 WG. I'm extending the poll for an additional week to hear about additional supp= ort but also objections to adopt the document. The polls now ends on June 12th. Brgds, Stephane From: stephane.litkowski@orange.com [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 15:55 To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve Hi, This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g= eneve-04[1] Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr= ess without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on 5th June 2019. 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Hi WG,

 

We are currently missi= ng the IPR reply from Sam to clear the IPR poll.

In addition, we lack o= f significant support for this draft, however we haven’t seen any obj= ection yet.

We, chairs, think that= this document is an important piece of work as GENEVE is the standard over= lay from NVO3 WG.

 

I’m extending th= e poll for an additional week to hear about additional support but also obj= ections to adopt the document.

 

The polls now ends on = June 12th.

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane

 

 

 

From: stephane= .litkowski@orange.com [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 15:55
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g= eneve

 

Hi,

 

This email begins a tw=
o-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-04[1]

 

Please review the draft and pos= t any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kn= owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha= t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, = 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author = or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat= e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the= BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.=

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If you are not listed as an aut= hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware = of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<= o:p>

 

This poll for adoption closes o= n 5th June 2019.  

 

Regards,

Stephane and Matthew

 

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I hope you can find time to review the proposed changes to address your comments. Best regards, Greg On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 12:23 PM Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hi Jeffrey, > thank you for your consideration and the detailed comments with great > suggestions. Please find my answers below under GIM3>> tag. Attached is t= he > diff to highlight the updates. > > Regards, > Greg > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:43 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > wrote: > >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> Most of changes are fine; though I suggest to replace the following: >> >> >> >> For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is >> >> considered up if one or more of the P2MP RSVP-TE LSPs to the same PE, >> >> identified by the P-tunnel Attribute, are in Up state. >> >> >> >> With the following: >> >> >> >> For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is >> >> considered up if the sub-LSP to this downstream PE is in Up state. >> > GIM3>> Accept with one question. As this is the first sentence in the > section, what is the PE we refer to as "this downstream PE"? Should we us= e > "a downstream PE"? > >> >> >> Not all comments have been addressed, though. I trimmed some text below >> and highlighted the outstanding ones with =E2=80=9C=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=E2=80=9D. You may need to >> refer to my previous email for correlation/details. >> >> >> >> Jeffrey >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:04 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang < >> zzhang@juniper.net> wrote: >> >> Thomas, Bob, >> >> >> >> Some questions below for you. Some old, and some new. >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> Zzh> It=E2=80=99s not that the =E2=80=9Crules =E2=80=A6 are not consiste= nt=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s that by nature >> some PEs may think the tunnel is down while the others may think the tun= nel >> is still up (because they=E2=80=99re on different tunnel branches), even= when they >> follow the same rules. Traffic duplication in this case is also only wit= h >> inclusive tunnels =E2=80=93 so how about the following? >> >> >> >> Because all PEs may arrive at a different >> >> conclusion regarding the state of the tunnel, >> >> procedures described in Section 9.1.1 of [RFC 6513] MUST be used >> >> when using inclusive tunnels. >> >> GIM3>> Got it, thx. Would s/may/could/ be acceptable to avoid questions > about RFC2119-like language? > > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> Additionally, the text in section 3 seems to be more biased on Single >> Forwarder Election choosing the UMH with the highest IP address. Section= 5 >> of RFC6513 also describes two other options, hashing or based on =E2=80= =9Cinstalled >> UMH route=E2=80=9D (aka unicast-based). It is not clear how the text in = this >> document applies to hashing based selection, and I don=E2=80=99t see how= the text >> applies to unicast-based selection. Some rewording/clarification are nee= ded >> here. >> >> GIM>> How would the use of an alternative UMH selection algorithm change >> documented use of p2mp BFD? Do you think that if the Upstream PE selecte= d >> using, for example, hashing then defined use of BGP-BFD and p2mp BFD its= elf >> no longer applicable? >> >> >> >> Zzh> It=E2=80=99s not that the alternative UMH selection algorithm chang= e >> documented use of p2mp BFD. It=E2=80=99s the other way around =E2=80=93 = tunnel state >> changes the selection result. I guess hashing can still be used (this >> document only controls what goes into the candidate pool). For unicast >> based selection I thought it=E2=80=99d no longer work, but then I notice= d the >> following: >> >> >> >> o second, the UMH candidates that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel >> >> that is "down" -- these will thus be used as a last resort to >> >> ensure a graceful fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection >> >> procedures in the hypothetical case where a false negative would >> >> occur when determining the status of all tunnels >> >> >> >> Zzh> So this should still work, although Ideally, the PE advertising the >> next best route should be considered before going to the last resort (of >> using the PE advertising the best route but whose tunnel is down). >> >> GIM3>> I hope I've got the idea. Below is the updated text (second > becomes third and your proposal - second): > NEW TEXT: > o Second, the PE advertising the next best route is to be > considered. > > o Third, the UMH candidates that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel > that is "down" -- these will thus be used as a last resort to > ensure a graceful fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection > procedures in the hypothetical case where a false negative would > occur when determining the status of all tunnels. > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> zzh> BTW, the same applies to 3.1.7 as well. >> >> GIM>> Agree >> > >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> >> 3.1.7. Per PE-CE link BFD Discriminator >> >> >> >> The following approach is defined for the fast failover in response >> >> to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selection for a >> >> given C-multicast route takes into account the state of the BFD >> >> session associated with the state of the upstream PE-CE link. >> >> >> >> 3.1.7.1. Upstream PE Procedures >> >> >> >> For each protected PE-CE link, the upstream PE initiates a multipoint >> >> BFD session [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoint] as MultipointHead toward >> >> downstream PEs. A downstream PE monitors the state of the p2mp >> >> session as MultipointTail and MAY interpret transition of the BFD >> >> session into Down state as the indication of the associated PE-CE >> >> link being down. >> >> >> >> Since the BFD packets are sent over the P2MP tunnel not the PE-CE link, >> my understanding is that the BFD discriminator is still for the tunnel a= nd >> not tied to the PE-CE link; but different from the previous case, the ro= ot >> will stop sending BFD messages when it detects the PE-CE link failure. A= s >> far as the egress PEs are concerned, they don=E2=80=99t know if it is th= e tunnel >> failure or PE-CE link failure. >> >> >> >> If my understanding is correct, the wording should be changed. >> >> GIM>> There are other than stopping transmission of BFD control packets >> ways to distinguish two conditions for the egress PE. For example, the >> MultipointHead MAY set the State to AdminDown and continue sending BFD >> control packets. If and when PE-CE link restored to Up, the MultipointHe= ad >> can set the state to Up in the BFD control packet. >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D this nee= ds more discussion =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D should be clear on which way is done =E2=80=93 stop send= ing BFD message or >> use AdminDown >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D an PMSI may be used for many flows, which may use differ= ent PE-CE >> interfaces on the ingress PE. A downstream PE would not know which >> interface it should track for a particular flow. >> >> GIM3>> Thank you for helping me to understand the problem with PE-CE and > p2mp BFD. I've updated the paragraph is 3.1.7, I've found the better meth= od > to indicate the PE-CE link failure to the downstream. Also, stress that > though it is likely that PE-CE association be 1:1, it is outside the scop= e > of the draft. Please let me know if the new text addresses your questions= : > NEW TEXT: > The following approach is defined for the fast failover in response > to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selection for a > given C-multicast route takes into account the state of the BFD > session associated with the state of the upstream PE-CE link. > According to section 6.8.17 [RFC5880], failure of a PE-CE link MAY be > communicated to the downstream PE by setting the bfd.LocalDiag of the > p2mp BFD session associated with this link to Concatenated Path Down > and/or Reverse Concatenated Path Down. The mechanism to communicate > the mapping between the PE-CE link and the associated BFD session is > outside the scope of this document. > > >> >> >> =E2=80=A6 If the route to the >> >> src/RP changes such that the RPF interface is changed to be a new PE- >> >> CE interface, then the upstream PE will update the S-PMSI A-D route >> >> with included BGP-BFD Attribute so that value of the BFD >> >> Discriminator is associated with the new RPF link. >> >> >> >> If the RPF interface changes on the upstream PE, why should it update th= e >> route to send a new discriminator? As long as there is a new RPF interfa= ce >> couldn=E2=80=99t the upstream PE do nothing but start tracking the new R= PF >> interface? >> >> GIM>> I'll defer this one to Thomas and Rob. >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> Zzh> I re-read section 3.1.6 and 3.1.7 and have more questions =F0=9F=98= =8A >> >> Zzh> 3.1.6 seems to be about tracking tunnel itself while 3.1.7 is about >> tracking PE-CE interfaces. From an egress point of view, (how) does it k= now >> if the discriminator is for the tunnel or for PE-CE interface 1 or PE-CE >> interface 2? Does it even care? It seems to me that an egress PE would n= ot >> need to care. If so, why are there different procedures for 3.1.6/3.1.7 = (at >> least for the egress PE behavior)? Even for the upstream PE behavior, >> shouldn=E2=80=99t 3.1.6.1 apply to 3.1.7 as well? >> >> GIM>> Added the following text to the first paragraph of section 3.1.7: >> >> NEW TEXT: >> >> The mechanism to communicate the mapping between the PE-CE link >> >> and the associated BFD session is outside the scope of this document. >> >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D the above added text does = not address my questions >> >> >> >> Regardless which way (the currently described way and my imagined way), >> some text should be added to discuss how the downstream would not switch= to >> another upstream PE when the primary PE is just going through a RPF chan= ge. >> >> GIM>> Would appending the following text be acceptable to address your >> concern: >> >> NEW TEXT: >> >> To avoid unwarranted switchover a downstream PE MUST gracefully handl= e >> the >> >> updated S-PMSI A-D route and switch to the use of the associated BFD >> >> Discriminator value. >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D how that is done nee= ds to be discussed >> >> GIM3>> I think that this is implementation issue and we just point to th= e > recommended behavior without prescribing what steps must be taken to > achieve it. > >> >> >> 4. Standby C-multicast route >> >> >> >> The procedures described below are limited to the case where the site >> >> that contains C-S is connected to exactly two PEs. The procedures >> >> require all the PEs of that MVPN to follow the single forwarder PE >> >> selection, as specified in [RFC6513]. >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would it not work with more than two upstream PEs? >> >> Why is it limited to single forwarder selection? What about unicast base= d >> selection? >> >> GIM>> Again, asking for Thomas and Rob to help.. >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D >> >> >> >> >> >> Juniper Internal >> > --0000000000001430b4058a9750e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeffrey,
hope everything is = well with you. I hope you can find time to review the proposed changes to a= ddress your comments.

Best regards,
Greg=

= On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 12:23 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jeffrey,
thank you for your considerati= on and the detailed comments with great suggestions. Please find my answers= below under GIM3>> tag. Attached is the diff to highlight the update= s.

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, May 7, 201= 9 at 7:43 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net> wrote:

= Hi Greg,

= =C2=A0

= Most of changes are fine; though I suggest to replace the following:=

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 considered up if one or more of the P2MP RSVP-TE LSPs to the same PE= ,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 identified by the P-tunnel Attribute, are in Up state.=

= =C2=A0

= With the following:

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 For P-tunnels of type P2MP MPLS-TE, the status of the P-tunnel is=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 considered up if the sub-LSP to this downstream PE is in Up state.

GIM3>> Accept with one questio= n. As this is the first sentence in the section, what is the PE we refer to= as "this downstream PE"? Should we use "a downstream PE&quo= t;?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

= Not all comments have been addressed, though. I trimmed some text below and= highlighted the outstanding ones with =E2=80=9C=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=E2=80=9D. You may need to refer to my previous email for correlation/details.=

= =C2=A0

= Jeffrey

=C2=A0

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:04 AM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zh= ang <zzhang@juni= per.net> wrote:

= Thomas, Bob,

= =C2=A0

= Some questions below for you. Some old, and some new.<= /p>

= =C2=A0=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Zzh> It=E2=80=99s not that the =E2=80=9Crules =E2=80=A6 are not consistent=E2= =80=9D. It=E2=80=99s that by nature some PEs may think the tunnel is down w= hile the others may think the tunnel is still up (because they=E2=80=99re o= n different tunnel branches), even when they follow the same rules. Traffic= duplication in this case is also only with inclusive tunnels =E2=80=93 so how about th= e following?

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Because all PEs may arrive at a differe= nt

=C2=A0 =C2=A0conclusion regarding the state of the t= unnel,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0procedures described in Section 9.1.1 o= f [RFC 6513] MUST be used

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0when using inclusive tun= nels.

GIM3>> Got it, thx. Would s/may/could/ be acceptable to av= oid questions about RFC2119-like language?
=C2=A0

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

= =C2=A0Additionally, the text in section 3 seems to be more biased on Single= Forwarder Election choosing the UMH with the highest IP address. Section 5 of RFC6513 also describes two other options, hashing or based on= =E2=80=9Cinstalled UMH route=E2=80=9D (aka unicast-based). It is not clear= how the text in this document applies to hashing based selection, and I do= n=E2=80=99t see how the text applies to unicast-based selection. Some rewording/clarification are needed here.

GIM>> How would the use of an alternative UMH = selection algorithm change documented use of p2mp BFD? Do you think that if= the Upstream PE selected using, for example, hashing then defined use of BGP-BFD and p2mp BFD itself no longer applicable?=

= =C2=A0

Zzh> It=E2=80=99s not that the alternative UMH selection algorithm change docum= ented use of p2mp BFD. It=E2=80=99s the other way around =E2=80=93 tunnel s= tate changes the selection result. I guess hashing can still be used (this = document only controls what goes into the candidate pool). For unicast based selection I thought it=E2=80=99d no longer work, but the= n I noticed the following:

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 second, the UMH candidates = that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that is "dow= n" -- these will thus be used as a last resort to=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ensure a graceful= fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 procedures in the= hypothetical case where a false negative would

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 occur when determ= ining the status of all tunnels

= =C2=A0

Zzh> So this should still work, although Ideally, the PE advertising the next b= est route should be considered before going to the last resort (of using th= e PE advertising the best route but whose tunnel is down).

=
GIM3>> I ho= pe I've got the idea. Below is the updated text (second becomes third a= nd your proposal - second):
NEW TEXT:
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0o=C2=A0 Second, the PE advertising the next best route is to be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 considered.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o= =C2=A0 Third, the UMH candidates that advertise a PMSI bound to a tunnel
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that is "down" -- these will thus be= used as a last resort to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ensure a graceful = fallback to the basic MVPN UMH selection
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pro= cedures in the hypothetical case where a false negative would
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 occur when determining the status of all tunnels.
<= div class=3D"gmail-m_-205362305889021834gmail-m_1593693988399353960WordSect= ion1">

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

zzh> BTW, the same applies to 3.1.7 as well.

GIM>> Agree=C2=A0

<= /div>

= =C2=A0

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

= =C2=A0

3.1.7.=C2=A0 Per PE-CE link BFD Discriminator

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The following approach is defined f= or the fast failover in response

=C2=A0=C2=A0 to the detection of PE-CE link fail= ures, in which UMH selection for a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 given C-multicast route takes into = account the state of the BFD

=C2=A0=C2=A0 session associated with the state o= f the upstream PE-CE link.

=C2=A0

3.1.7.1.=C2=A0 Upstream PE Procedures<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 For each protected PE-CE link, the = upstream PE initiates a multipoint

=C2=A0=C2=A0 BFD session [I-D.ietf-bfd-multipoin= t] as MultipointHead toward

=C2=A0=C2=A0 downstream PEs.=C2=A0 A downstream = PE monitors the state of the p2mp

=C2=A0=C2=A0 session as MultipointTail and MAY i= nterpret transition of the BFD

=C2=A0=C2=A0 session into Down state as the indi= cation of the associated PE-CE

=C2=A0=C2=A0 link being down.

=C2=A0

= Since the BFD packets are sent over the P2MP tunnel not the PE-CE link, my = understanding is that the BFD discriminator is still for the tunnel and not tied to the PE-CE link; but different from the previous= case, the root will stop sending BFD messages when it detects the PE-CE li= nk failure. As far as the egress PEs are concerned, they don=E2=80=99t know= if it is the tunnel failure or PE-CE link failure.

= =C2=A0

= If my understanding is correct, the wording should be changed.

GIM>> There are other than stopping transmissi= on of BFD control packets ways to distinguish two conditions for the egress= PE. For example, the MultipointHead MAY set the State to AdminDown and continue sending BFD control packets. If and when PE-CE link= restored to Up, the MultipointHead can set the state to Up in the BFD cont= rol packet.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D this needs more discussion =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D should = be clear on which way is done =E2=80=93 stop sending BFD message or use Adm= inDown

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D an PMSI= may be used for many flows, which may use different PE-CE interfaces on th= e ingress PE. A downstream PE would not know which interface it should track for a particular flow.

=

GIM3>> Thank you for helping me to understand the = problem with PE-CE and p2mp BFD. I've updated the paragraph is 3.1.7, I= 've found the better method to indicate the PE-CE link failure to the d= ownstream. Also, stress that though it is likely that PE-CE association be = 1:1, it is outside the scope of the draft. Please let me know if the new te= xt addresses your questions:
NEW TEXT:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The= following approach is defined for the fast failover in response
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0to the detection of PE-CE link failures, in which UMH selectio= n for a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0given C-multicast route takes into account t= he state of the BFD
=C2=A0 =C2=A0session associated with the stat= e of the upstream PE-CE link.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0According to section 6= .8.17 [RFC5880], failure of a PE-CE link MAY be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0comm= unicated to the downstream PE by setting the bfd.LocalDiag of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0p2mp BFD session associated with this link to Concatenated Pa= th Down
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and/or Reverse Concatenated Path Down.=C2=A0= The mechanism to communicate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the mapping between th= e PE-CE link and the associated BFD session is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0outsi= de the scope of this document.
=C2=A0
<= blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bo= rder-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-top:5pt= ;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5pt">

=C2=A0<= /p>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=A6=C2=A0 If the route to the=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 src/RP changes such that the RPF in= terface is changed to be a new PE-

=C2=A0=C2=A0 CE interface, then the upstream PE = will update the S-PMSI A-D route

=C2=A0=C2=A0 with included BGP-BFD Attribute so = that value of the BFD

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Discriminator is associated with th= e new RPF link.

= =C2=A0

= If the RPF interface changes on the upstream PE, why should it update the r= oute to send a new discriminator? As long as there is a new RPF interface couldn=E2=80=99t the upstream PE do nothing but start tracki= ng the new RPF interface?

GIM>> I'll defer this one to Thomas and Ro= b.

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0<= u>

Zzh> I re-read section 3.1.6 and 3.1.7 and have more questions =F0=9F=98=8A

Zzh> 3.1.6 seems to be about tracking tunnel itself while 3.1.7 is about tracki= ng PE-CE interfaces. From an egress point of view, (how) does it know if th= e discriminator is for the tunnel or for PE-CE interface 1 or PE-CE interfa= ce 2? Does it even care? It seems to me that an egress PE would not need to care. If so, why are there diffe= rent procedures for 3.1.6/3.1.7 (at least for the egress PE behavior)? Even= for the upstream PE behavior, shouldn=E2=80=99t 3.1.6.1 apply to 3.1.7 as = well?

GIM>> Added the following text to the first pa= ragraph of section 3.1.7:

NEW TEXT:

The mechanism to communicate the mapping between the= PE-CE link

and the associated BFD session is outside the scope = of this document.

= =C2=A0

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D the above added text does not= address my questions

= =C2=A0

= Regardless which way (the currently described way and my imagined way), som= e text should be added to discuss how the downstream would not switch to another upstream PE when the primary PE is just going throug= h a RPF change.

GIM>>=C2=A0 Would appending the following text= be acceptable to address your concern:

NEW TEXT:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0To avoid unwarranted switchover a downs= tream PE MUST gracefully handle the

=C2=A0 =C2=A0updated S-PMSI A-D route and switch to = the use of the associated BFD

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Discriminator value.

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D how that is done needs = to be discussed

<= /div>
GIM3>> I think that this is implementation issue= and we just point to the recommended behavior without prescribing what ste= ps must be taken to achieve it.

=

= =C2=A0

4.=C2=A0 Standby C-multicast route=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The procedures described below are = limited to the case where the site

=C2=A0=C2=A0 that contains C-S is connecte=
d to exactly two PEs. The procedures

=C2=A0=C2=A0 require all the PEs of that MVPN to= follow the single forwarder PE

=C2=A0=C2=A0 selection, as specified in [RFC6513= ].=C2=A0

=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

= Why would it not work with more than two upstream PEs?=

= Why is it limited to single forwarder selection? What about unicast based s= election?

GIM>> Again, asking for Thomas and Rob to help= ..=C2=A0

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

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We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on 5th June 2019. 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Hi,


This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g=
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Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis=
t.

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n conformance with IETF rules.

This poll for adoption closes on 5th June 2019.

Regards,
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[94.43.130.14]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w6sm874609wro.71.2019.06.05.22.54.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F2634622-D5BC-45AD-B55E-C3C0E83FF4F0 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16E227) In-Reply-To: <326_1559721213_5CF774FD_326_31_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C231AC4@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 09:54:26 +0400 Cc: "bess@ietf.org" , "aldrin.ietf@gmail.com" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <10602_1558533285_5CE554A5_10602_17_17_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C22479C@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <326_1559721213_5CF774FD_326_31_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C231AC4@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> To: stephane.litkowski@orange.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 05:54:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-F2634622-D5BC-45AD-B55E-C3C0E83FF4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephane, I support the adoption. Cheers, Jeff > On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:53, wrote: >=20 > Hi WG, > =20 > We are currently missing the IPR reply from Sam to clear the IPR poll. > In addition, we lack of significant support for this draft, however we hav= en=E2=80=99t seen any objection yet. > We, chairs, think that this document is an important piece of work as GENE= VE is the standard overlay from NVO3 WG. > =20 > I=E2=80=99m extending the poll for an additional week to hear about additi= onal support but also objections to adopt the document. > =20 > The polls now ends on June 12th. > =20 > Brgds, > =20 > Stephane > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: stephane..litkowski@orange.com [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com= ]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 15:55 > To: bess@ietf.org > Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve > =20 > Hi, > =20 > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-= geneve-04[1] > =20 > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group li= st. > =20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t= his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I= PR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > =20 > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please r= espond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progre= ss without answers from all the authors and contributors. > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > =20 > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitl= y respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. > =20 > This poll for adoption closes on 5th June 2019. =20 > =20 > Regards, > Stephane and Matthew > =20 > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve/ > __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ > =20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confide= ntielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez rec= u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Si vous avez rec= u ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages e= lectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou= falsifie. Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged in= formation that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and del= ete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been= modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --Apple-Mail-F2634622-D5BC-45AD-B55E-C3C0E83FF4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephane,

I support the a= doption.

Cheers,
Jeff<= /div>

On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:53, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> <= ;stephane.litkowski@orange.= com> wrote:

=

Hi WG,

 

We are currently missin= g the IPR reply from Sam to clear the IPR poll.

In addition, we lack of= significant support for this draft, however we haven=E2=80=99t seen any obj= ection yet.

We, chairs, think that t= his document is an important piece of work as GENEVE is the standard overlay= from NVO3 WG.

 

I=E2=80=99m extending t= he poll for an additional week to hear about additional support but also obj= ections to adopt the document.

 

The polls now ends on J= une 12th.

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane

 

 

 

From: stephane..litkowski@orange.com [<= a href=3D"mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com">mailto:stephane.litkowski@or= ange.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 15:55
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org<= br> Subject: WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-ge= neve

 

Hi,

 

This email begins a two=
-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-04[1]

 

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that I= PR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879= , 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate w= hether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BES= S mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.<= /span>

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of= any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on= 5th June 2019.  

 

Regards,

Stephane and Matthew

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve/

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not aware of any IPR Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Internal From: BESS On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c= om Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:55 AM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g= eneve Hi, This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g= eneve-04[1] Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr= ess without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on 5th June 2019. 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I’m not aware of any IPR

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

 

Juniper Internal

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:55 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess= -evpn-geneve

 

Hi,

 

This email begins a tw=
o-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-04[1]

 

Please review the draft and pos= t any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kn= owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha= t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, = 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author = or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat= e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the= BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.=

Currently, there are no IPR dis= closures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an aut= hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware = of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<= o:p>

 

This poll for adoption closes o= n 5th June 2019.  

 

Regards,

Stephane and Matthew=

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve/

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bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <155983860546.11699.14257527315761013368@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 09:30:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpws-fxc-01.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 16:30:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : EVPN VPWS Flexible Cross-Connect Service Authors : A. Sajassi P. Brissette J. Uttaro J. Drake W. Lin S. Boutros J. Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpws-fxc-01.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2019-06-06 Abstract: This document describes a new EVPN VPWS service type specifically for multiplexing multiple attachment circuits across different Ethernet Segments and physical interfaces into a single EVPN VPWS service tunnel and still providing Single-Active and All-Active multi-homing. This new service is referred to as flexible cross-connect service. It also describes the rational for this new service type as well as a solution to deliver such service. 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09:15:53 -0000 --000000000000d0040c058ab84627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear WG, support this is useful optimization mechanism and has couple of known implementations and well documented. Thanks, Tim On Fri, 7 Jun 2019, 10:07 Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB), < matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote: > WG > > > > We ran a working group last call on this draft in August 2018. Although we > had an Ops Area review, we did not get a lot of responses from participants > who were not already authors of the draft. We are therefore running another > working group last call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06. > > > > Please indicate to the list if you have read the draft and support its > publication as an RFC. 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Dear WG,
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this is useful optimization mechanism and has couple of known im= plementations and well documented.
Thanks,
Tim


On Fri, 7 Jun 2019, 10:07 Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB),= <matthew.bocci@nokia.com= > wrote:

WG

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We ran a working group last call on this draft in Au= gust 2018. Although we had an Ops Area review, we did not get a lot of resp= onses from participants who were not already authors of the draft. We are t= herefore running another working group last call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06.

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Please also send any other last call comments to the= BESS list.

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We ran a working group last call on this draft in Au= gust 2018. Although we had an Ops Area review, we did not get a lot of resp= onses from participants who were not already authors of the draft. We are t= herefore running another working group last call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06.

 

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Subject: Re: [bess] Second WG Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:03:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CAFF3948-BFDB-4744-9829-6E70C4C661D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Support. We have many interoperable implementations already. Regards, Krzysztof > On 2019-Jun-07, at 11:31, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) = wrote: >=20 > Support >=20 > Regards, > Andrew > Sent from my iPhone Outlook > From: BESS > on = behalf of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) > > Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 5:07:18 PM > To: bess@ietf.org > Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org ; = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd@ietf.org = > Subject: [bess] Second WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06 > =20 > WG > =20 > We ran a working group last call on this draft in August 2018. = Although we had an Ops Area review, we did not get a lot of responses = from participants who were not already authors of the draft. We are = therefore running another working group last call on = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06. > =20 > Please indicate to the list if you have read the draft and support its = publication as an RFC. Please also indicate to the list if you have read = the draft and do not support its publication. > =20 > Please also send any other last call comments to the BESS list. > =20 > This last call ends on Friday 21st June 2019. > =20 > Regards > =20 > Matthew and Stephane > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess = --Apple-Mail=_CAFF3948-BFDB-4744-9829-6E70C4C661D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Support. We have many interoperable implementations = already.

Regards,
Krzysztof

On = 2019-Jun-07, at 11:31, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) <andrew.dolganow@nokia.com> wrote:

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Regards,
Andrew
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Subject: [bess] Second WG Last Call = on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06
 
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We ran a working group last call on this draft in August = 2018. Although we had an Ops Area review, we did not get a lot of = responses from participants who were not already authors of the draft. = We are therefore running another working group last call on = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-06.

 

Please = indicate to the list if you have read the draft and support its = publication as an RFC. Please also indicate to the list if you have read = the draft and do not support its publication.

 

Please = also send any other last call comments to the BESS list.

 

This last call ends on Friday 21st June 2019.

 

Regards

 

Matthew = and Stephane
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References: <12064624-12B6-49EF-A51F-34BC8C614C71@nokia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:05:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5A875EEF-F8FA-4957-A9D6-0C352F9C3F69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I support this draft. Not aware of any related IPR. Regards, Krzysztof > On 2019-Jun-07, at 15:44, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) = wrote: >=20 > This email begins a two-week working group last call for = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-03.txt > =20 > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working = group list. Please also indicate if you support or do not support = publishing the draft as an RFC. > =20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies = to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details). > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, = please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware = of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The = document won't progress without answers from all the authors and = contributors. > =20 > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please = explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet = been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > =20 > We are also polling for any existing implementations. > =20 > The working group last call closes on Friday 21st June 2019.=20 > =20 > Regards, > Matthew and St=C3=A9phane > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess = --Apple-Mail=_5A875EEF-F8FA-4957-A9D6-0C352F9C3F69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = support this draft. Not aware of any related IPR.

Regards,
Krzysztof


On 2019-Jun-07, at 15:44, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote:

This email begins a two-week working group last = call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-03.txt
 
Please = review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. = Please also indicate if you support or do not support publishing the = draft as an RFC.
 
We are also polling for knowledge = of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, = 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
If you are listed as an author or a contributor of = this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not = you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing = list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors = and contributors.
 
If you are not listed as an author or a = contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any = IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
 
We are also = polling for any existing implementations.
 
The working = group last call closes on Friday 21st June 2019. 
 
Regards,
Matthew and St=C3=A9phane
 
 
 
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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : IGMP and MLD Proxy for EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi Samir Thoria Keyur Patel Derek Yeung John Drake Wen Lin Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-03.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2019-06-09 Abstract: Ethernet Virtual Private Network (EVPN) solution [RFC 7432] is becoming pervasive in data center (DC) applications for Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) and DC interconnect (DCI) services, and in service provider (SP) applications for next generation virtual private LAN services. This draft describes how to support efficiently endpoints running IGMP for the above services over an EVPN network by incorporating IGMP proxy procedures on EVPN PEs. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking for TLVS in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps. After hearing all the discussion, the BESS, IDR and I2RS WG chairs discussed what to do with the following Drafts considered: . draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt, . draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt, . draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt relating drafts/ Supporting drafts: . draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt . draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt . draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt Basic topologies: Ipsec tunnels [rtrA] -------------------- [rtrB] | \ / | | \ -- RR1 -------/ | ipsec tunnels | / -----| |------\ | [rtrC]------------------- [rtrD] The decision is that . TLVs mechanisms for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps should be moved to drafts with just the mechanisms. o All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or portions. o The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or IDR (depending on what is appropriate). . The RTG Chairs are not experts on Security associations, so that we will try to schedule a unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can help the RTG chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms. o We'd love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF (Yoav NIR) and someone from IPSECME. o We'll invite IPSEC experts. o We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this session in IETF 105 and present their security-association mechanisms. . The NLRI/SAFI in draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can be requested as IDR or ISE draft. This email has two request: . WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares, . The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparation for the TLV selection, and . Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session. Susan Hares ------=_NextPart_000_01A1_01D51F9F.291AA1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings:

 

At IETF 104, = we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking for TLVS in = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.    After hearing all the = discussion, the BESS, IDR and I2RS WG chairs discussed what to do with = the following

 

Drafts = considered:

·         = draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt, =

·         = draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt,

·         = draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt =

relating drafts/ Supporting drafts: =

·         = draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt

·         = draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt =

·         = draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt

Basic topologies:

         &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; Ipsec tunnels  

     [rtrA] = -------------------- [rtrB]

         = |     = \            =             &= nbsp;  /      | 

         |=        \ -- RR1 = -------/     | ipsec tunnels

         |=     / -----| = |------\         = |

     = [rtrC]------------------- [rtrD]

 

 

The decision = is that

·         = TLVs mechanisms = for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps should be moved to = drafts with just the mechanisms. 

o   All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or = portions.

o   The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or = IDR (depending on what is appropriate).

·         = The RTG Chairs are = not experts on Security associations, so that we will try to schedule a = unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can help the RTG = chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms.  =

o   We’d love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF = (Yoav NIR) and someone from IPSECME.

o   We’ll invite IPSEC experts.

o   We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this = session in IETF 105 and present their security-association mechanisms. =

·         = The NLRI/SAFI in = draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can be requested as IDR = or ISE draft.

This email has two = request:

·         = WG or authors = please send any questions to Susan Hares,

·         = The IDR WG is = encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparation for the TLV = selection, and

·         = Please help me = secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session.

 

Susan Hares =

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks to Sue for putting those drafts together. Very good summary. Ad= ding Yoav to the discussion. draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04 is going through WGLC now. d= raft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection specifies a way for nodes to rece= ive IPsec policies from Controller(s), whereas draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00= specifies a way for nodes to receive policies from peers that establish t= unnels with the nodes. For most of IPsec VPNs, Traffic Selection policies are coming from administ= rators, not from peers. I put some questions to the IDR mailing list on how to address conflicts if= the Traffic Selection policies coming from Administrators are different f= rom Peers (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/N9cwGW5d5AD15wFaF1ncR7= fqLsI). In addition, even if the peers can establish tunnels to a specific node, h= ow to validate if those peers are authorized to send IPsec policies to the = nodes? This is opening a big security mess. IMHO, it is much cleaner for a node only to accept IPsec policies from auth= orized controller(s), instead of peers that need to establish tunnels to th= e node We can discuss more in IETF105. Linda From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:14 PM To: idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts Greetings: At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking for TLVS in draft-ietf-= idr-tunnel-encaps. After hearing all the discussion, the BESS, IDR and I= 2RS WG chairs discussed what to do with the following Drafts considered: * draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt, * draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt, * draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt relating drafts/ Supporting drafts: * draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt * draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt * draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt Basic topologies: Ipsec tunnels [rtrA] -------------------- [rtrB] | \ / | | \ -- RR1 -------/ | ipsec tunnels | / -----| |------\ | [rtrC]------------------- [rtrD] The decision is that * TLVs mechanisms for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps sho= uld be moved to drafts with just the mechanisms. * All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or portions. * The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or IDR (depend= ing on what is appropriate). * The RTG Chairs are not experts on Security associations, so that we w= ill try to schedule a unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can= help the RTG chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms= . * We'd love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF (Yoav NIR) and some= one from IPSECME. * We'll invite IPSEC experts. * We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this session in= IETF 105 and present their security-association mechanisms. * The NLRI/SAFI in draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can b= e requested as IDR or ISE draft. This email has two request: * WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares, * The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparat= ion for the TLV selection, and * Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session. Susan Hares --_000_MN2PR13MB3582C79ACE494B5E3EF572B5A9130MN2PR13MB3582namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Many thanks to Sue for putting those drafts together= . Very good summary. Adding Yoav to the discussion.

 

draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04 is goi= ng through WGLC now.  draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection speci= fies a way for nodes to receive IPsec policies from Controller(s), whereas = draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00 specifies a way for  nodes to receive policies from peers that establish tunnel= s with the nodes.

For most of IPsec VPNs, Traffic Selection policies a= re coming from administrators, not from peers.

 

I put some questions to the IDR mailing list on how = to address conflicts if the Traffic Selection policies coming from Administ= rators are different  from Peers (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/= arch/msg/idr/N9cwGW5d5AD15wFaF1ncR7fqLsI).

 

In addition,  even if the peers can establish t= unnels to a specific node, how to validate if those peers are authorized to= send IPsec policies to the nodes? This is opening a big security mess.

IMHO, it is much cleaner for a node only to accept I= Psec policies from authorized controller(s), instead of peers that need to = establish tunnels to the node

 

We can discuss more in IETF105.

 

Linda

 

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:14 PM
To: idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts

 

Greetings:

 

At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking = for TLVS in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.    After hearing a= ll the discussion, the BESS, IDR and I2RS WG chairs discussed what to do wi= th the following

 

Drafts considered:

  • draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt,
  • draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt,
  • draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt

relating drafts/ Supporting drafts:

  • draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt
  • draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt
  • draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt

Basic topologies:

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; Ipsec tunnels  

     [rtrA] ---------------= ----- [rtrB]

         |&n= bsp;    \        &nb= sp;            =       /      | 

        &nbs= p;|       \ -- RR1 -------/   =   | ipsec tunnels

        &nbs= p;|    / -----| |------\      =    |

     [rtrC]------------------- [= rtrD]

 

 

The decision is that

  • TLVs mechanisms for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps should be= moved to drafts with just the mechanisms. 
    • All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or portions.<= /li>
    • The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or IDR (depending on wh= at is appropriate).
  • The RTG Chairs are not experts on Security associations, so that we will tr= y to schedule a unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can help = the RTG chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms. = ;
    • We’d love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF (Yoav NIR) and someone= from IPSECME.
    • We’ll invite IPSEC experts.
    • We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this session in IETF 105= and present their security-association mechanisms.
  • The NLRI/SAFI in draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can be requ= ested as IDR or ISE draft.

This email has two request:

  • WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares,
    • The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparation fo= r the TLV selection, and
  • Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session.

 

Susan Hares

 

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Dear Authors,=

 

I have read the -07 version dra= ft. And there are some comments.

 

#1 ietf-pseudowires model expir= ed.

I ran this model on yangcatalog= but received an unexpected error:

ietf-ethernet-segment@2019-03-0= 9.yang:21: error: module "ietf-pseudowires" not found in search p= ath

It seems that the "draft-i= etf-bess-l2vpn-yang" which define the "ietf-pseudowires" exp= ired. I noticed that some authors are also the authors of "draft-ietf-= bess-l2vpn-yang" so please revive the l2vpn yang model draft.

 

#2 The tree structure does not = match the code. When I review the tree structure blocks, I wonder why there= is only one route-target leaf under the "rd-rt" list. However, w= hen I review the yang codes, this list is defined as=A3=BA

          =      leaf route-distinguisher {<= /p>

         &= nbsp;       type rt-types:route-distinguisher= ;

         &= nbsp;       description "Route distingui= sher";

         &= nbsp;     }

         &= nbsp;     uses rt-types:vpn-route-targets;

         &= nbsp;     description "A list of route distinguish= ers and " +

         &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     "corresponding VPN route targets";

         &= nbsp;   }

The vpn-route-targets grouping = defined in rt-types contains a vpn-target list. It seems that the schema tr= ee is not updated synchronously.

 

#3 Many lists are lack of key n= odes, for example ethernet-auto-discovery-route list, mac-ip-advertisement-= route list, inclusive-multicast-ethernet-tag-route list, etc.

How do I retrieve these status = data without a key value?

 

Best Regards!

-Michael

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As author of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt, I have following comments: * My draft is about extending draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps to cover IPs= ec tunnels, which is a very generic use case, just like other BGP operation= s, it could be peer-to-peer or could come from a controller (e.g. program v= ia RR), we shouldn't have a mechanism that only support controller, again,= not every network is SDN. * IPsec traffic selector could very well be decided locally, not necess= ary from a single administrator, e.g. router A owns subnet-1, it could deci= de that a specific IPsec configuration need to be used to reach subnet-1, = or even require different IPsec config for different remote subnet * I won't be able to attend IETF105 on site, but will join remotely From: BESS On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:26 PM To: Susan Hares ; idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; Yoav Nir ; Paul Wouters Subject: Re: [bess] [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts Many thanks to Sue for putting those drafts together.. Very good summary. A= dding Yoav to the discussion. draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04 is going through WGLC now. d= raft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection specifies a way for nodes to rece= ive IPsec policies from Controller(s), whereas draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00= specifies a way for nodes to receive policies from peers that establish t= unnels with the nodes. For most of IPsec VPNs, Traffic Selection policies are coming from administ= rators, not from peers. I put some questions to the IDR mailing list on how to address conflicts if= the Traffic Selection policies coming from Administrators are different f= rom Peers (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/N9cwGW5d5AD15wFaF1ncR7= fqLsI). In addition, even if the peers can establish tunnels to a specific node, h= ow to validate if those peers are authorized to send IPsec policies to the = nodes? This is opening a big security mess. IMHO, it is much cleaner for a node only to accept IPsec policies from auth= orized controller(s), instead of peers that need to establish tunnels to th= e node We can discuss more in IETF105. Linda From: Idr > On Behalf Of = Susan Hares Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:14 PM To: idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts Greetings: At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking for TLVS in draft-ietf-= idr-tunnel-encaps. After hearing all the discussion, the BESS, IDR and I= 2RS WG chairs discussed what to do with the following Drafts considered: * draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt, * draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt, * draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt relating drafts/ Supporting drafts: * draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt * draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt * draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt Basic topologies: Ipsec tunnels [rtrA] -------------------- [rtrB] | \ / | | \ -- RR1 -------/ | ipsec tunnels | / -----| |------\ | [rtrC]------------------- [rtrD] The decision is that * TLVs mechanisms for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps sho= uld be moved to drafts with just the mechanisms. * All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or portions. * The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or IDR (depend= ing on what is appropriate). * The RTG Chairs are not experts on Security associations, so that we w= ill try to schedule a unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can= help the RTG chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms= . * We'd love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF (Yoav NIR) and some= one from IPSECME. * We'll invite IPSEC experts. * We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this session in= IETF 105 and present their security-association mechanisms. * The NLRI/SAFI in draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can b= e requested as IDR or ISE draft. This email has two request: * WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares, * The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparat= ion for the TLV selection, and * Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session. Susan Hares --_000_AM5PR0701MB235391CF7F5DD5688DCE22A895ED0AM5PR0701MB2353_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As author of draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt, I hav= e following comments:

  • My draft is about extending draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps to cover IPsec tun= nels, which is a very generic use case, just like other BGP operations, it = could be peer-to-peer or could come from a controller (e.g. program via RR)= ,  we shouldn’t have a mechanism that only support controller, again, not every network is  SDN.<= /o:p>
  • IPsec traffic selector could very well be decided locally, not necessary fr= om a single administrator, e.g. router A owns subnet-1, it could decide tha= t a specific IPsec configuration need to be used to reach subnet-1,  o= r even require different IPsec config for different remote subnet
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    From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
    Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:26 PM
    To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org= ; Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>=
    Subject: Re: [bess] [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts

     

    Many thanks to Sue for putting those drafts together= .. Very good summary. Adding Yoav to the discussion.

     

    draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04 is goi= ng through WGLC now.  draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection speci= fies a way for nodes to receive IPsec policies from Controller(s), whereas = draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00 specifies a way for  nodes to receive policies from peers that establish tunnel= s with the nodes.

    For most of IPsec VPNs, Traffic Selection policies a= re coming from administrators, not from peers.

     

    I put some questions to the IDR mailing list on how = to address conflicts if the Traffic Selection policies coming from Administ= rators are different  from Peers (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/= arch/msg/idr/N9cwGW5d5AD15wFaF1ncR7fqLsI).

     

    In addition,  even if the peers can establish t= unnels to a specific node, how to validate if those peers are authorized to= send IPsec policies to the nodes? This is opening a big security mess.

    IMHO, it is much cleaner for a node only to accept I= Psec policies from authorized controller(s), instead of peers that need to = establish tunnels to the node

     

    We can discuss more in IETF105.

     

    Linda

     

    From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
    Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:14 PM
    To: idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
    Subject: [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts

     

    Greetings:

     

    At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking = for TLVS in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.    After hearing a= ll the discussion, the BESS, IDR and I2RS WG chairs discussed what to do wi= th the following

     

    Drafts considered:

    • draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt,
    • draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt,
    • draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt

    relating drafts/ Supporting drafts:

    • draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt
    • draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt
    • draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt

    Basic topologies:

            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; Ipsec tunnels  

         [rtrA] ---------------= ----- [rtrB]

             |&n= bsp;    \        &nb= sp;            =       /      | 

            &nbs= p;|       \ -- RR1 -------/   =   | ipsec tunnels

            &nbs= p;|    / -----| |------\      =    |

         [rtrC]------------------- [= rtrD]

     

     

    The decision is that

    • TLVs mechanisms for new TLVS related draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps should be= moved to drafts with just the mechanisms. 
      • All three mechanisms could be included in the TLVs or portions.<= /li>
      • The use case and the SA mechanisms can stay in BESS or IDR (depending on wh= at is appropriate).
    • The RTG Chairs are not experts on Security associations, so that we will tr= y to schedule a unique session at IETF 105 where security experts can help = the RTG chairs (BESS, IDR) review the Security association mechanisms. = ;
      • We’d love to have the second co-chair of I2NSF (Yoav NIR) and someone= from IPSECME.
      • We’ll invite IPSEC experts.
      • We encourage the authors of the 3 drafts to attend this session in IETF 105= and present their security-association mechanisms.
    • The NLRI/SAFI in draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi is unique and can be requ= ested as IDR or ISE draft.

    This email has two request:

    • WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares,
      • The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparation fo= r the TLV selection, and
    • Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session.

     

    Susan Hares

     

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I'll have to read up on some of these documents though to ensure I understand the items for discussion. Paul > From: Idr On Behalf Of Susan Hares > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 2:14 PM > To: idr@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org > Subject: [Idr] Issue 1: IPSEC related drafts > >   > > Greetings: > >   > > At IETF 104, we consider BGP VPNs supporting asking for TLVS in draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps.    After hearing all the discussion, the BESS, IDR and > I2RS WG chairs discussed what to do with the following > >   > > Drafts considered: > > * draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn-01.txt, > * draft-hujun-idr-bgp-ipsec-00.txt, > * draft-dunbar-idr-sdwan-port-safi-01.txt > > relating drafts/ Supporting drafts: > > * draft-carrell-ipsecme-controller-ike-00.txt > * draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-04.txt > * draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-12.txt > > Basic topologies: > >                        Ipsec tunnels   > >      [rtrA] -------------------- [rtrB] > >          |     \                           /      |  > >          |       \ -- RR1 -------/     | ipsec tunnels > >          |    / -----| 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request: > > * WG or authors please send any questions to Susan Hares, > * The IDR WG is encouraged to discuss requirements or needs in preparation for the TLV selection, and > * Please help me secure 2 IPSEC experts to attend this session. > >   > > Susan Hares > >   > > > From nobody Wed Jun 12 12:02:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC361201B5; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass 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The document is adopted as a WG item. Authors, Please republish the document as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-geneve-00 Brgds, From: stephane.litkowski@orange.com [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 09:54 To: bess@ietf.org; aldrin.ietf@gmail.com Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-gene= ve Hi WG, We are currently missing the IPR reply from Sam to clear the IPR poll. In addition, we lack of significant support for this draft, however we have= n't seen any objection yet. We, chairs, think that this document is an important piece of work as GENEV= E is the standard overlay from NVO3 WG. I'm extending the poll for an additional week to hear about additional supp= ort but also objections to adopt the document. The polls now ends on June 12th. 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Hi,<= /p>

 

The adoption poll is n= ow closed with support and no objection and we have cleared the IPR poll as= well.

The document is adopte= d as a WG item.

 

Authors,

 

Please republish the d= ocument as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-geneve-00

 

Brgds,

 

 

From: stephane= .litkowski@orange.com [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 09:54
To: bess@ietf.org; aldrin.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-ev= pn-geneve

 

Hi WG,

 

We are currently missi= ng the IPR reply from Sam to clear the IPR poll.

In addition, we lack o= f significant support for this draft, however we haven’t seen any obj= ection yet.

We, chairs, think that= this document is an important piece of work as GENEVE is the standard over= lay from NVO3 WG.

 

I’m extending th= e poll for an additional week to hear about additional support but also obj= ections to adopt the document.

 

The polls now ends on = June 12th.

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane

 

 

 

From: stephane= .litkowski@orange.com [mailto:stephane.litkowski@orange.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 15:55
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: WG adoption poll and IPR poll for draft-boutros-bess-evpn-g= eneve

 

Hi,

 

This email begins a tw=
o-week poll for adoption of draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-04[1]

 

Please review the draft and pos= t any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kn= owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha= t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, = 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author = or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat= e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the= BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.=

Currently, there are no IPR dis= closures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an aut= hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware = of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<= o:p>

 

This poll for adoption closes o= n 5th June 2019.  

 

Regards,

Stephane and Matthew

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve/

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Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DC5120111 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 01:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qbHgpW8M1RXZ for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 01:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chinatelecom.cn (prt-mail.chinatelecom.cn [42.123.76.228]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D961200F1 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 01:27:37 -0700 (PDT) HMM_SOURCE_IP: 172.18.0.218:62269.862646320 HMM_ATTACHE_NUM: 0000 HMM_SOURCE_TYPE: SMTP Received: from 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:27:40 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01D52529.90BED510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As abstract said: " This document defines a YANG model for Network and VPN Service Performance Monitoring that can be used to monitor and manage network performance on the topology at different layer or the overlay topology between VPN sites. " I believe YANG model described in this draft can be used to monitor network performance or can be used to monitor VPN performance. This two performance monitoring are two separate functionalities. Section 4 provide two layered topology which can be used to monitor network performance in the overlay topology and monitor in the service topology Separately which is good. Section 6.1 describe network level parameter such as vpn topology, svc topo type, I think these network level parameters are not needed when monitoring network performance. Please make this clear in the text. H.Xu +86-010-5090-2313 +86-133-0116-8970 xuhl.bri@chinatelecom.cn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute Southern Zone of Future Science City, Beiqijia Town, Changping District, Beijing, China 102209 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01D52529.90BED510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As abstract = said:

“

This document = defines a YANG model for

   = Network and VPN Service Performance Monitoring that can be used = to

   = monitor and manage network performance on the topology at = different

   = layer or the overlay topology between VPN sites.

“

I believe YANG = model described in this draft can be used to monitor network performance = or can be used to monitor VPN performance.

  This two = performance monitoring are two separate = functionalities.

  = Section 4 provide two layered topology which can be used to monitor = network performance in the overlay topology and monitor in the service = topology Separately which is good.

  Section = 6.1 describe network level parameter such as vpn topology, svc topo = type, I think these network level parameters are not needed when = monitoring network performance. Please make this clear in the = text.

 

 

H.Xu

+86-010-5090-2313

+86-133-0116-8970

xuhl.bri@chinatelecom.cn=

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China Telecom = Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute

Southern Zone of Future Science = City,

Beiqijia Town, Changping District,

Beijing, = China

102209

 

 

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This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. We have several IPRs already disclosed. If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. 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Hello Working Group,

   

This email starts a three weeks Working Group Las= t Call on  draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1].

 

This poll runs until *the 28th of June*.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo= sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose= d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for= more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o= f this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not yo= u are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress wi= thout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

We have several IPRs already disclosed.

 

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

We are also polling for any existing implementati= on as per [2].

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Matthew

 

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= o:p>

 

 

 

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Orange Expert Fut= ure Networks

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Hi Honglei,

&n= bsp;

Thanks = for the review comments. Please find my reply at [MW= ].

&n= bsp;

Best Re= gards!

-Michae= l

&n= bsp;

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Xu honglei
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:<= /span> 2019=C4=EA6=D4=C217=C8=D5 16:27
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: bess@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [bess] review of draft-www-bess-yang-vpn-service-pm

 

As abstract said:

=A1=B0<= o:p>

This document defines a YANG model for

   Ne= twork and VPN Service Performance Monitoring that can be used to=

   mo= nitor and manage network performance on the topology at different

   layer or the overlay topology between VPN si= tes.

=A1=B0

I believe YANG model describ= ed in this draft can be used to monitor network performance or can be used = to monitor VPN performance.

  This two performance monitoring are two separate f= unctionalities.

[MW]: A= gree.

 = ;

  Section 4 provide two layered topology which can b= e used to monitor network performance in the overlay topology and monitor i= n the service topology Separately which is good.

[MW]: T= hanks.

&n= bsp;

  Section 6.1 describe network level parameter such = as vpn topology, svc topo type, I think these network level parameters are = not needed when monitoring network performance.

[MW]: T= he section 6.1 introduce how to augment the ietf-network model to support V= PN performance monitoring.

For mon= itoring network performance, IMHO,  the section 6.1 can be ignored sin= ce the network-type and l3-topology-attributes have been defined in RFC8345= and RFC8346.

 = ;

Please make this clear in the text.

[MW]: I= =A1=AFd like to add some text to introduce how to support network performan= ce monitoring.

 

 

H.Xu

+86-010-5090-2313

+86-133-0116-8970

xuhl.bri@chinatelecom.cn

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China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research= Institute

Southern Zone of Future Science= City,

Beiqijia Town, Changping Distri= ct,

Beijing, China

102209

 

 

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I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR. Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Internal From: BESS On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c= om Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 4:53 AM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= igmp-mld-proxy Hello Working Group, This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess= -evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. We have several IPRs already disclosed. 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Support.  I’m not aware of any undisclose= d IPR.

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

 

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From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 4:53 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bes= s-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy

 

Hello Working Group,

   

This email starts a three weeks Working Group Las= t Call on  draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1].

 

This poll runs until *the 28th of June*.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo= sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose= d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for= more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o= f this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not yo= u are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress wi= thout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

We have several IPRs already disclosed.

 

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

We are also polling for any existing implementati= on as per [2].

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Matthew

 

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= o:p>

 

 

 

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RFC 8614 Title: Updated Processing of Control Flags for BGP Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Author: R. Singh, K. Kompella, S. Palislamovic Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2019 Mailbox: ravis@juniper.net, kireeti@juniper.net, senad.palislamovic@nokia.com Pages: 9 Characters: 20579 Updates: RFC 4761 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-08.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8614 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8614 This document updates the meaning of the Control Flags field in the "Layer2 Info Extended Community" used for BGP Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) as defined in RFC 4761. This document updates RFC 4761. This document is a product of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Jun 22 01:00:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F3312010C; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 00:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mg9l6QJHsApL; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 00:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F776120026; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 00:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 9E2ED32958959756507A; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 08:59:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.44) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 08:59:52 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.134]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:59:40 +0800 From: Zhuangshunwan To: "bess@ietf.org" , "softwires@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 Thread-Index: AdUoywhLB5bsk43hQOStVculmHkjLw== Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:59:39 +0000 Message-ID: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BDBB89@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.202.166] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BDBB89NKGEML515MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:59:58 -0000 --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BDBB89NKGEML515MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear authors and WGs, RFC5549 Section 6.2 says: . 6.2. IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core . . The extensions defined in this document may be used for support of . IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone. In this application, PE routers . would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv6 . Next Hop. . . The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with: . . o AFI =3D 1 . . o SAFI =3D 128 . . o Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32) . . o Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop . . o NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says: . 4.3.2. Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP [snip] . When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its . own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a . VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0. ([BGP-MP] requires that the next . hop address be in the same address family as the Network Layer . Reachability Information (NLRI).) It also assigns and distributes an . MPLS label. (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes, . but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes. Cf. [MPLS-BGP].) When the PE processes . a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, the PE . will pop the stack, and process the packet appropriately. [snip] Question: RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a V= PN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be en= coded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ? Thanks, Shunwan --_000_19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BDBB89NKGEML515MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear authors and WGs,

 

RFC5549 Section 6.2 says:

 

. 6.2.  IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core

.

.    The extensions defined in this d= ocument may be used for support of

.    IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone.=   In this application, PE routers

.    would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in= the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv6

.    Next Hop.

.

.    The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded wit= h:

.

.    o  AFI =3D 1

.

.    o  SAFI =3D 128<= /p>

.

.    o&= nbsp; Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32)

.

.    o&= nbsp; Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop

.

.    o  NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes=

 

 

Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 say= s:

 

. 4.3.2.  Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP

[snip]

.    Wh= en a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its=

.    ow= n address as the "BGP next hop".  This address is encoded as= a

.    VP= N-IPv4 address with an RD of 0.  ([BGP-MP] requires that the next

.    hop address be in the same addre= ss family as the Network Layer

.    Reachability Information (NLRI).= )  It also assigns and distributes an

.    MPLS label.  (Essentially, = PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes,

.    but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes.&nbs= p; Cf. [MPLS-BGP].)  When the PE processes

.    a received packet that has this = label at the top of the stack, the PE

.    will pop the stack, and process = the packet appropriately.

[snip]

 

 

Question:

RFC5549 defines "= IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 rout= e with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an = VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ? 

 

 

Thanks,

Shunwan

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When the Length of Next Hop Address field is equal to 16 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6. It=E2=80=99s also worth noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states: =20 A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet "Route Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. So, not 16 or 32 bytes. Thanks, Ian > On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan = wrote: >=20 > Dear authors and WGs, > =20 > RFC5549 Section 6.2 says:=20 > =20 > . 6.2. IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core > .=20 > . The extensions defined in this document may be used for support = of > . IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone. In this application, PE routers > . would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an = IPv6 > . Next Hop. > .=20 > . The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with: > .=20 > . o AFI =3D 1 > .=20 > . o SAFI =3D 128 > .=20 > . o Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32) > .=20 > . o Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop > .=20 > . o NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes > =20 > =20 > Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says: > =20 > . 4.3.2. Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP > [snip] > . When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses = its > . own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a > . VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0. ([BGP-MP] requires that the = next > . hop address be in the same address family as the Network Layer > . Reachability Information (NLRI).) It also assigns and = distributes an > . MPLS label. (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 = routes, > . but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes. Cf. [MPLS-BGP].) When the PE = processes > . a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, = the PE > . will pop the stack, and process the packet appropriately. > [snip] > =20 > =20 > Question: > RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router = distributes a VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the = IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ?=20 > =20 > =20 > Thanks, > Shunwan > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires = --Apple-Mail=_AD2D474E-89C6-4553-87C4-D9D61C2ADD69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

My = reading of Section 3 of RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as an = IPv6 address:
 
  =  The BGP speaker receiving the advertisement MUST use the Length = of
   Next Hop Address field to determine = which network-layer protocol the
   next = hop address belongs to.  When the Length of Next Hop = Address
   field is equal to 16 or 32, = the next hop address is of type IPv6.

It=E2=80=99s also worth noting that = RFC4659 Section 2 states:
 
A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, = beginning with an 8-octet
   "Route = Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 = address.

So, not 16 or 32 bytes.

Thanks,
Ian


On 22. = Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear = authors and WGs,
 
RFC5549 Section 6.2 says: 
 
. = 6.2.  IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core
. 
.    The extensions defined in this document = may be used for support of
.    IPV4 VPNs over an = IPv6 backbone.  In this application, PE routers
.    would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the = MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv6
.    Next Hop.
. 
.    The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with:
. 
.    o  AFI =3D 1
. 
.    o  SAFI =3D 128
. 
.    = o  Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32)
. 
.    = o  Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop
. 
.    o  NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes
 
 
Regarding = IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 = says:
 
. = 4.3.2.  Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP
[snip]
.    When a = PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its
.    own = address as the "BGP next hop".  This address is encoded as a
.    = VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0.  ([BGP-MP] requires = that the next
.    hop address be in the same address family = as the Network Layer
.    Reachability Information (NLRI).)  = It also assigns and distributes an
.    MPLS label.  = (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes,
.    but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes.  Cf. = [MPLS-BGP].)  When the PE processes
.    a received packet = that has this label at the top of the stack, the PE
.    will pop the stack, and process the = packet appropriately.
[snip]
 
 
Question:
RFC5549 = defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a = VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop = be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ? 
 
 
Thanks,
Shunwan
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(version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Luc_Andr=E9_Burdet?= To: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@ietf.org" CC: "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy Thread-Index: AQHVKq6BO4+WGUH+mUWmTXoQVO6CeQ== X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:01:46 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SCL: -1 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MS-Exchange-Organization-RecordReviewCfmType: 0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_MN2PR12MB322915CA6F202396E458E2EDAFE00MN2PR12MB3229namp_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS 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Regards, Luc Andr=E9 Luc Andr=E9 Burdet | Cisco | laburdet.ietf@gmail.com | Tel: +1 613 254= 4814 From: BESS on behalf of "Mankamana Mishra (mankamis= )" Date: Monday, June 17, 2019 at 13:03 To: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@= ietf.org" Cc: "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-igmp-mld-proxy Support. Not aware of undisclosed IPR. Thanks Mankamana From: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" Date: Monday, June 17, 2019 at 1:54 AM To: "bess@ietf.org" Cc: "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-ml= d-proxy Resent-From: Resent-To: , , Resent-Date: Monday, June 17, 2019 at 1:53 AM Hello Working Group, This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess= -evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. We have several IPRs already disclosed. If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. Thank you, Stephane & Matthew [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-prox= y/ [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjq= Dpw [Orange logo] Stephane Litkowski Network Architect Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET Orange Expert Future Networks phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83 NEW ! mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 NEW ! stephane.litkowski@orange.com ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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Support= as well, implementations exist.

Regards= ,

Luc And= r=E9

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Luc And= r=E9 Burdet |  Cisco  |  laburdet.ietf@gmail.com  |&nbs= p; Tel: +1 613 254 4814

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From= : BESS <bess-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)" <= mankamis@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, June 17, 2019 at 13:03
To: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" <stephane.litkowski= @orange.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf= -bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy

 

Support.  Not aware of undisclosed IPR.  <= o:p>

 

Thanks

Mankamana

 

 

From: "stephane.litk= owski@orange.com" <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>
Date: Monday, June 17, 2019 at 1:54 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org> Subject: WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= igmp-mld-proxy
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Hello Working Group,=

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This email starts a = three weeks Working Group Last Call on  draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-= proxy [1].

 

This poll runs until= *the 28th of June*.

 

We are also polling = for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensu= re that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs = 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as= an Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email a= nd indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. T= he Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

We have several IPRs= already disclosed.

 

If you are not liste= d as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you= are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with I= ETF rules.

 

We are also polling = for any existing implementation as per [2].

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   &n= bsp;Thank you,

    S= tephane & Matthew

 

    = ;[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/

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Thanks, Neeraj On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 1:53 AM wrote: > Hello Working Group, > > > > This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. > > > > This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. 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Hi,

Support.
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Thanks,
Neeraj

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 1:53 AM= <stephane.litkowski@or= ange.com> wrote:

Hello Working Group,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =

This email starts a th= ree weeks Working Group Last Call on =C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-pr= oxy [1].

=C2=A0

This poll runs until *= the 28th of June*.

=C2=A0

We are also polling fo= r knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure= that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 39= 79, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a= n Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and= indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The= Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

=C2=A0

We have several IPRs a= lready disclosed.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed = as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you a= re aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IET= F rules.

=C2=A0

We are also polling fo= r any existing implementation as per [2].

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Thank you,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ste= phane & Matthew

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [2]= https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

3D"Orange

=C2=A0

Stephane Litkowski
Network Architect
Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET

Orange Expert Future Networks

phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83 =C2=A0NEW= =C2=A0!
mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 =C2=A0NEW=C2=A0!
st= ephane.litkowski@orange.com

=C2=A0

______________________________________________________________________=
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- US/Mountain View)" Cc: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="00000000000098e992058c17095d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:44:23 -0000 --00000000000098e992058c17095d Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000098e991058c17095c" --00000000000098e991058c17095c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" support -Selvam On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 11:43 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) < jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote: > Support. Very much needed document. > > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of " > stephane.litkowski@orange.com" > *Date: *Monday, June 17, 2019 at 1:53 AM > *To: *"bess@ietf.org" > *Cc: *"bess-chairs@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy > > > > Hello Working Group, > > > > This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. > > > > This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from > all the Authors and Contributors. > > > > We have several IPRs already disclosed. > > > > If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. > > > > Thank you, > > Stephane & Matthew > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/ > > [2] > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw > > > > > > > > [image: Orange logo] > > > > *Stephane Litkowski * > Network Architect > Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET > > Orange Expert Future Networks > > phone: +33 2 23 *06* 49 83 > > NEW ! > mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 > > NEW ! > stephane.litkowski@orange.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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-Selvam

On Mon, Jun = 24, 2019 at 11:43 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:<= br>

Support. Very much needed document.

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Thanks,

Jorge

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From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org>= ; on behalf of "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" <stephane.litkowski@orange.= com>
Date: Monday, June 17, 2019 at 1:53 AM
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>
Cc: "= bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bes= s-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy

=C2=A0

Hello Working Group,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on =C2=A0draft= -ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1].

=C2=A0

This poll runs until *the 28th of June*.

=C2=A0

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies = to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document pleas= e respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any re= levant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

=C2=A0

We have several IPRs already disclosed.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please expli= citly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclo= sed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2].

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thank you,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Stephane & Matthew

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[= 1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= u>

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Orange Expert = Future Networks

phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83 =C2=A0NEW= =C2=A0!
mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 =C2=A0NEW=C2=A0!
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[193.110.49.14]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l1sm3919955edr.17.2019.06.24.13.03.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Krzysztof Szarkowicz Message-Id: <34C79D10-8CD8-4986-AFEC-F98A1A89D81E@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4E63AB9C-41B0-49D3-8944-B10855795C4E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 22:03:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <26422_1560761590_5D0754F6_26422_456_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C2551F0@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Cc: "bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" To: "" References: <26422_1560761590_5D0754F6_26422_456_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C2551F0@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 20:04:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4E63AB9C-41B0-49D3-8944-B10855795C4E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Support. Not aware of undisclosed IPR. =20 Thanks, Krzysztof > On 2019-Jun-17, at 10:53, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: >=20 > Hello Working Group, > =20 > This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on = draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. > =20 > This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. > =20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies = to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details). > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document = please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware = of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without = answers from all the Authors and Contributors. > =20 > We have several IPRs already disclosed. > =20 > If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please = explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet = been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > =20 > We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. > =20 > Thank you, > Stephane & Matthew > =20 > [1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/ = > [2] = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw = > =20 > =20 > =20 > > =20 > Stephane Litkowski=20 > Network Architect=20 > Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET > Orange Expert Future Networks > phone: +33 2 23=C2=A006=C2=A049 83=C2=A0 = NEW ! > mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50=C2=A0 = NEW ! > stephane.litkowski@orange.com > =20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, = deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or = privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and = delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have = been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess = --Apple-Mail=_4E63AB9C-41B0-49D3-8944-B10855795C4E Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_848C0E28-0CB1-4EE9-9D72-F1E6A08D1242" --Apple-Mail=_848C0E28-0CB1-4EE9-9D72-F1E6A08D1242 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Support.  Not aware of undisclosed IPR.  

Thanks,
Krzysztof


On = 2019-Jun-17, at 10:53, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:

Hello = Working Group,
    
This = email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on =  draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1].
 
This poll = runs until *the 28th of June*.
 
We are also polling for knowledge of = any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, = 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
If you are listed as an Author or a = Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and indicate = whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The = Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and = Contributors.
 
We have several IPRs already disclosed.
 
If you = are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly = respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed = in conformance with IETF rules.
 
We are also polling for any existing = implementation as per [2].
    
    Thank you,
    Stephane & Matthew
 
 
 
 
3D"Orange
 
Stephane = Litkowski 
Network Architect 
Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET
Orange Expert Future Networks
phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83  NEW !
mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50  NEW !
stephane.litkowski@orange.com
 
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a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages =
electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme =
ou falsifie. Merci.

This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged =
information that may be protected by law;
they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and =
delete this message and its attachments.
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Regards, Jakob. From: BESS On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c= om Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 1:53 AM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= igmp-mld-proxy Hello Working Group, This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess= -evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res= pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan= t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the= Authors and Contributors. We have several IPRs already disclosed. 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Support.

 

Regards,

Jakob.

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 1:53 AM
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bes= s-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy

 

Hello Working Group,

   

This email starts a three weeks Working Group Las= t Call on  draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1].

 

This poll runs until *the 28th of June*.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo= sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose= d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for= more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor o= f this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not yo= u are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress wi= thout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

 

We have several IPRs already disclosed.

 

If you are not listed as an Author or a Contribut= or, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

We are also polling for any existing implementati= on as per [2].

   

    Thank you,

    Stephane & Matthew

 

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/

    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= o:p>

 

 

 

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Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:22:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <156148335873.31113.5817559096917330185@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:22:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 17:22:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Preference-based EVPN DF Election Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senthil Sathappan Tony Przygienda Wen Lin John Drake Ali Sajassi Satya Ranjan Mohanty Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-04.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-06-25 Abstract: The Designated Forwarder (DF) in Ethernet Virtual Private Networks (EVPN) is defined as the PE responsible for sending Broadcast, Unknown unicast and Broadcast traffic (BUM) to a multi-homed device/network in the case of an all-active multi-homing Ethernet Segment (ES), or BUM and unicast in the case of single-active multi- homing. The DF is selected out of a candidate list of PEs that advertise the same Ethernet Segment Identifier (ESI) to the EVPN network, according to the Default DF Election algorithm. While the Default Algorithm provides an efficient and automated way of selecting the DF across different Ethernet Tags in the ES, there are some use-cases where a more 'deterministic' and user-controlled method is required. At the same time, Service Providers require an easy way to force an on-demand DF switchover in order to carry out some maintenance tasks on the existing DF or control whether a new active PE can preempt the existing DF PE. This document proposes an extension to the Default DF election procedures so that the above requirements can be met. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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APjAAAWQp2NsNKBYJ9Fbq2tCewVPN2jxzye56jLvwjMJLQiiHrIxL+s4 Mif5eCaHQzCDgleeOJJfh5Ej1gNPleU5uZfP0UZw8g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyqdVpdiwVm1zLyHyd1yJbAdlfGiaZj1Lo6ix/gzrFi34wXyZEBTqYn/xZmMvMsQC3uIoxJUpyLlb9AqFgRQXI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1286:: with SMTP id w6mr3371993qki.219.1561549992545; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BDBB89@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> <9DB8FCD5-DD04-4EB1-AEA5-A33B5B6F1BC4@gmx.com> <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BE201C@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D61CE@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D61CE@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:52:59 +0200 Message-ID: To: Xiejingrong Cc: "ian.farrer@telekom.de" , Zhuangshunwan , "ianfarrer@gmx.com" , "softwires@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009ae128058c38b045" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:53:18 -0000 --0000000000009ae128058c38b045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, RD is a property of the NLRI not next hop. I am not sure where in this thread or some spec someone came to the conclusion that next hop field should contain an RD. RD is not useful there and should never be part of any next hop field. Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it - no more no less. Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is no need to make it unique. In some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop field (there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the same AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros. Thx, R. On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > I guess this is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there anyon= e > can tell us the history of this inconsistency ? > > RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 > network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as nexthop. > > RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD as > nexthop. > > This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about MVPN6 > over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use IPv4/IPv= 6 > without RD as nexthop (see below). > > The purpose of this document is to make clear that whenever a PE > > address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in the NLRI or in an > > attribute), the IP address family of that address is determined by > > the length of the address (a length of 4 octets for IPv4 addresses, a > > length of 16 octets for IPv6 addresses), NOT by the AFI field of the > > route. > > > > My suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nextho= p > IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same. > > The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as current shape, while interoperat= e > can meet between different implementations. > > Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on further FooServic= e > over FooNetwork ? > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > *From:* Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of * > ian.farrer@telekom.de > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM > *To:* Zhuangshunwan ; ianfarrer@gmx.com > *Cc:* softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi Shunwan, > > > > I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the referenced section 3 of RFC= 2545 and > I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for encoding the next-hop. Sectio= n > 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte GU IPv6 address or= 32-bytes > with a GU and LL address. > > > > Can you point me to the text that gives you the impression that VPN-IPv6 > is correct? > > > > Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata on RFC5549, (not verif= ied) > saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to include the RD. However, as > mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in the RFC and it= s > references support the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) with no RD at 16 or = 32 > bytes, so this does seem to be the intention of the document as written. > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549 > > > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > > *From: *Softwires on behalf of Zhuangshunwan > > *Date: *Tuesday, 25. June 2019 at 13:18 > *To: *"ianfarrer@gmx.com" > *Cc: *"softwires@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" < > bess@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi Ian, > > > > Thanks for your response! > > > > The opinion I have collected is: > > Per RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address. > > Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > > When we start to implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, it is a natural > way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) . > > > > I believe this is not just a minority opinion, and some of the current > implementations are also doing this way. > > > > I hope that the WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and avoid > interoperability problem in the future. > > > > Thanks, > > Shunwan > > > > *From:* ianfarrer@gmx.com [mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com ] > *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM > *To:* Zhuangshunwan > *Cc:* bess@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi, > > > > My reading of Section 3 of RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as > an IPv6 address: > > > > The BGP speaker receiving the advertisement MUST use the Length of > > Next Hop Address field to determine which network-layer protocol the > > next hop address belongs to. When the Length of Next Hop Address > > field is equal to 16 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6. > > > > It=E2=80=99s also worth noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states: > > > > A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet > > "Route Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > > > > So, not 16 or 32 bytes. > > > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > > > > On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan wrote= : > > > > Dear authors and WGs, > > > > RFC5549 Section 6.2 says: > > > > . 6.2. IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core > > . > > . The extensions defined in this document may be used for support of > > . IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone. In this application, PE routers > > . would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv= 6 > > . Next Hop. > > . > > . The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with: > > . > > . o AFI =3D 1 > > . > > . o SAFI =3D 128 > > . > > . o Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32) > > . > > . o Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop > > . > > . o NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes > > > > > > Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says: > > > > . 4.3.2. Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP > > [snip] > > . When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its > > . own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a > > . VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0. ([BGP-MP] requires that the next > > . hop address be in the same address family as the Network Layer > > . Reachability Information (NLRI).) It also assigns and distributes a= n > > . MPLS label. (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes= , > > . but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes. Cf. [MPLS-BGP].) When the PE processe= s > > . a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, the P= E > > . will pop the stack, and process the packet appropriately. > > [snip] > > > > > > Question: > > RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a > VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be > encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Shunwan > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --0000000000009ae128058c38b045 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

RD is a property of the= NLRI not next hop. I am not sure where in this thread or some spec someone= came to the conclusion that next hop field should contain an RD. RD is not= useful there and should never be part of any next hop field.=C2=A0

Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it= - no more no less. Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is= no need to make it unique.=C2=A0

In some cases wh= en we need to carry IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop field (there was historic= ally some assumption that next hop must be of the same AF as prefix) we pre= pend to it numerical zeros.

Thx,
R.





On Wed, Jun 26, 2019= at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong <xieji= ngrong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi folks,

=C2=A0=

I guess this is an inconsis= tency due to past carelessness. Is there anyone can tell us the history of = this inconsistency ?

RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 net= work) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 network) both require to use RD+I= P(v4 or v6 respectively) as nexthop.

RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv= 6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD as nexthop.=

This same question also occ= ur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about MVPN6 over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over I= Pv6, but does imply loosely to use IPv4/IPv6 without RD as nexthop (see below).

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The purpose of this document is to m= ake clear that whenever a PE

=C2=A0=C2=A0 address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route= (whether in the NLRI or in an

=C2=A0=C2=A0 attribute), the IP address family of= that address is determined by

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the length of the address (a length = of 4 octets for IPv4 addresses, a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 length of 16 octets for IPv6 address= es), NOT by the AFI field of the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 route.=

=C2=A0=

My suggestion: implementati= on should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpre= t nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same.

The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC651= 5 can keep as current shape, while interoperate can meet between different = implementations.

Need a new draft to clarify= this and to give a guide on further FooService over FooNetwork ?=

=C2=A0=

Thanks=

Jingrong

=C2=A0=

From: Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@iet= f.org] On Behalf Of ian.farrer@telekom.de
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>; ianfarrer@gmx.com
Cc: softwire= s@ietf.org; bess@iet= f.org
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address codi= ng for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549

=C2=A0

Hi Shunwan,

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the refe= renced section 3 of RFC2545 and I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for= encoding the next-hop. Section 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte GU IPv6 address or 32-bytes with= a GU and LL address.

=C2=A0

Can you point me to the text that gives you the im= pression that VPN-IPv6 is correct?

=C2=A0

Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata= on RFC5549, (not verified) saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to in= clude the RD. However, as mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in the RFC and its references suppo= rt the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) with no RD at 16 or 32 bytes, so this = does seem to be the intention of the document as written.

https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_searc= h.php?rfc=3D5549

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ian

=C2=A0

From: = Softwires <softwires-bounces@= ietf.org> on behalf of Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday, 25. Ju= ne 2019 at 13:18
To: "ian= farrer@gmx.com" <ianfarrer@gmx.com>
Cc: "so= ftwires@ietf.org" <softwires@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address codi= ng for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549

= =C2=A0

Hi Ian,=

=C2=A0<= u>

Thanks for your response!=

=C2=A0<= u>

The opinion I have collected is:=

Per RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes= shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with = a 4-octet IPv4 address.

Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes= shall carry the V6 Next-hop, beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with = a 16-octet IPv6 address.

When we start to implement the I= Pv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, =C2=A0it is a natural way to encode the IPv4-VPN ro= utes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) .<= /u>

=C2=A0

I believe this is not just a min= ority opinion, and some of the current implementations are also doing this = way.

=C2=A0<= u>

I hope that the WGs can give a c= onsistent opinion on this issue and avoid interoperability problem in the f= uture.

=C2=A0<= u>

Thanks,=

Shunwan=

=C2=A0<= u>

From: ianfarrer@gmx.com [mailto:ianfarrer@= gmx.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Cc: bess@ietf.org= ; softwires@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address codi= ng for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

My reading of Section 3 of RFC5549= is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as an IPv6 address:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The BGP speaker recei= ving the advertisement MUST use the Length of

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Next Hop Address fiel= d to determine which network-layer protocol the

=C2=A0 =C2=A0next hop address belo= ngs to.=C2=A0 When the Length of Next Hop Address

=C2=A0 =C2=A0field is equal to 16 = or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6.

=C2=A0

It=E2=80=99s also worth noting tha= t RFC4659 Section 2 states:

=C2=A0

A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet q= uantity, beginning with an 8-octet

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Route Distingui= sher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address.

=C2=A0

So, not 16 or 32 bytes.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ian

=C2=A0



On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangs= hunwan <zh= uangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

Dear authors and WGs,=

=C2=A0<= /p>

RFC5549 Section 6.2 says:=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /p>

. 6.2.=C2=A0 IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The extensions defined in this do= cument may be used for support of

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone.= =C2=A0 In this application, PE routers

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in = the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv6=

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Next Hop.

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with= :

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 AFI =3D 1

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 SAFI =3D 128

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Leng= th of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32)

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Netw= ork Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /p>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says= :

=C2=A0<= /p>

. 4.3.2.=C2=A0 Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP

[snip]<= /p>

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When a PE ro= uter distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 own address = as the "BGP next hop".=C2=A0 This address is encoded as a<= span lang=3D"DE">

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 VPN-IPv4 add= ress with an RD of 0.=C2=A0=C2=A0([BGP-MP] requires that the next

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 hop address be in the same addres= s family as the Network Layer=

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Reachability Information (NLRI).)= =C2=A0 It also assigns and distributes an

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS label.=C2=A0 (Essentially, P= E routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes,

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes.=C2= =A0 Cf. [MPLS-BGP].)=C2=A0 When the PE processes

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a received packet that has this l= abel at the top of the stack, the PE=

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 will pop the stack, and process t= he packet appropriately.

[snip]<= /p>

=C2=A0<= /p>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Question:

RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN o= ver IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route with an = IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /p>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Thanks,=

Shunwan=

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multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_78FBB2CA-35FD-474D-B892-2216AB455C6E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:22:22 +0300 In-Reply-To: Cc: Robert Raszuk , Xiejingrong , "softwires@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" , "ian.farrer@telekom.de" , "bess@ietf.org" , "ianfarrer@gmx.com" To: "UTTARO, JAMES" References: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BDBB89@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> <9DB8FCD5-DD04-4EB1-AEA5-A33B5B6F1BC4@gmx.com> <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BE201C@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D61CE@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] [Idr] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:22:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_78FBB2CA-35FD-474D-B892-2216AB455C6E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, My understanding is follow: RD is encoded in Next Hop field, because = authors of RFC 4364, while referring to RFC 2858, were trying to make it = consistent with RFC 4760 (obsoletes RFC 2858). RFC 2858 says that Next = Hop field should match AFI. On the other hand, RFC 4760 says that Next = Hop Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI. Also, drafts of RFC 4364 = and RFC 4760 were being developed practically at the same time period. > 26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 16:05, UTTARO, JAMES = =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): >=20 > +1 > =20 > From: Idr > On = Behalf Of Robert Raszuk > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM > To: Xiejingrong > > Cc: idr@ietf.org ; ian.farrer@telekom.de = ; ianfarrer@gmx.com = ; softwires@ietf.org = ; bess@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network = Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > =20 > All, > =20 > RD is a property of the NLRI not next hop. I am not sure where in this = thread or some spec someone came to the conclusion that next hop field = should contain an RD. RD is not useful there and should never be part of = any next hop field.=20 > =20 > Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it - no more no = less. Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is no need to = make it unique.=20 > =20 > In some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop = field (there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of = the same AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros. > =20 > Thx, > R. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong > wrote: > Hi folks, > =20 > I guess this is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there = anyone can tell us the history of this inconsistency ? > RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 = network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as nexthop. > RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD = as nexthop. > This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about = MVPN6 over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use = IPv4/IPv6 without RD as nexthop (see below). > The purpose of this document is to make clear that whenever a PE > address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in the NLRI or in an > attribute), the IP address family of that address is determined by > the length of the address (a length of 4 octets for IPv4 addresses, = a > length of 16 octets for IPv6 addresses), NOT by the AFI field of = the > route. > =20 > My suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and = nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 = the same. > The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as current shape, while = interoperate can meet between different implementations. > Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on further = FooService over FooNetwork ? > =20 > Thanks > Jingrong > =20 > From: Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of ian.farrer@telekom.de = > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM > To: Zhuangshunwan >; ianfarrer@gmx.com = > Cc: softwires@ietf.org ; bess@ietf.org = > Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding = for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > =20 > Hi Shunwan, > =20 > I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the referenced section 3 of = RFC2545 and I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for encoding the = next-hop. Section 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte = GU IPv6 address or 32-bytes with a GU and LL address. > =20 > Can you point me to the text that gives you the impression that = VPN-IPv6 is correct? > =20 > Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata on RFC5549, (not = verified) saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to include the RD. = However, as mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in = the RFC and its references support the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) = with no RD at 16 or 32 bytes, so this does seem to be the intention of = the document as written. > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549 = > =20 > Thanks, > Ian > =20 > From: Softwires > on behalf of Zhuangshunwan = > > Date: Tuesday, 25. June 2019 at 13:18 > To: "ianfarrer@gmx.com " > > Cc: "softwires@ietf.org " = >, "bess@ietf.org = " > > Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding = for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > =20 > Hi Ian, > =20 > Thanks for your response! > =20 > The opinion I have collected is: > Per RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, = beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address. > Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, = beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > When we start to implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, it is a = natural way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. = beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) . > =20 > I believe this is not just a minority opinion, and some of the current = implementations are also doing this way. > =20 > I hope that the WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and = avoid interoperability problem in the future. > =20 > Thanks, > Shunwan > =20 > From: ianfarrer@gmx.com = [mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com ]=20 > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM > To: Zhuangshunwan > > Cc: bess@ietf.org ; softwires@ietf.org = > Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding = for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > =20 > Hi, > =20 > My reading of Section 3 of RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded = as an IPv6 address: > =20 > The BGP speaker receiving the advertisement MUST use the Length of > Next Hop Address field to determine which network-layer protocol = the > next hop address belongs to. When the Length of Next Hop Address > field is equal to 16 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6. > =20 > It=E2=80=99s also worth noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states: > =20 > A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet > "Route Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > =20 > So, not 16 or 32 bytes. > =20 > Thanks, > Ian > =20 > =20 >=20 > On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan > wrote: > =20 > Dear authors and WGs, > =20 > RFC5549 Section 6.2 says:=20 > =20 > . 6.2. IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core > .=20 > . The extensions defined in this document may be used for support = of > . IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone. In this application, PE routers > . would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an = IPv6 > . Next Hop. > .=20 > . The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with: > .=20 > . o AFI =3D 1 > .=20 > . o SAFI =3D 128 > .=20 > . o Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32) > .=20 > . o Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop > .=20 > . o NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes > =20 > =20 > Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says: > =20 > . 4.3.2. Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP > [snip] > . When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses = its > . own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a > . VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0. ([BGP-MP] requires that the = next > . hop address be in the same address family as the Network Layer > . Reachability Information (NLRI).) It also assigns and = distributes an > . MPLS label. (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 = routes, > . but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes. Cf. [MPLS-BGP].) When the PE = processes > . a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, = the PE > . will pop the stack, and process the packet appropriately. > [snip] > =20 > =20 > Question: > RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router = distributes a VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the = IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ?=20 > =20 > =20 > Thanks, > Shunwan > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires = > =20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess = _______________________________________= ________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr = --Apple-Mail=_78FBB2CA-35FD-474D-B892-2216AB455C6E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi,

My understanding is follow: RD is encoded in Next Hop field, = because authors of RFC 4364, while referring to RFC 2858, were trying to = make it consistent with RFC 4760 (obsoletes RFC 2858). RFC 2858 says = that Next Hop field should match AFI. On the other hand, RFC 4760 says = that Next Hop Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI. Also, drafts = of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 were being developed practically at the same = time period.

26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2= 16:05, UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB= (=D0=B0):

+1
 
From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Robert = Raszuk
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 = 7:53 AM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc: idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; ianfarrer@gmx.com; softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] [bess] = [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN = over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
 
All,
 
RD is a property of the NLRI not next = hop. I am not sure where in this thread or some spec someone came to the = conclusion that next hop field should contain an RD. RD is not useful = there and should never be part of any next hop field. 
 
Remember RD role is to make prefix = unique - that's it - no more no less. Next hop uniqness is given by = architecture and there is no need to make it unique. 
 
In some cases when we need to carry = IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop field (there was historically some = assumption that next hop must be of the same AF as prefix) we prepend to = it numerical zeros.
 
Thx,
R.
 
 
 
 
 
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at = 1:40 PM Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
 
I guess = this is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there anyone can = tell us the history of this inconsistency ?
RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 = or IPv6 network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as = nexthop.
RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 = network) requires to use IPv6 without RD as nexthop.
This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks = about MVPN6 over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to = use IPv4/IPv6 without RD as nexthop (see below).
   The purpose of this document is to make = clear that whenever a PE
   address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in = the NLRI or in an
   attribute), the IP address family of that = address is determined by
   the length of the address (a length of 4 octets = for IPv4 addresses, a
   length of 16 octets for IPv6 addresses), NOT by = the AFI field of the
   route.
 
My = suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop = IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the = same.
The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can = keep as current shape, while interoperate can meet between different = implementations.
Need a = new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on further FooService over = FooNetwork ?
 
Thanks
Jingrong
 
From: Softwires = [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of ian.farrer@telekom.de
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 = 11:12 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>; ianfarrer@gmx.com
Cc: softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding = the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in = RFC5549
 
Hi Shunwan,
 
I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the referenced = section 3 of RFC2545 and I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for = encoding the next-hop. Section 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99= s a 16-byte GU IPv6 address or 32-bytes with a GU and LL address.
 
Can you point me to the text that gives you = the impression that VPN-IPv6 is correct?
 
Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported = Errata on RFC5549, (not verified) saying that the length should be 24 or = 48 to include the RD. However, as mentioned above, the supporting text = in multiple places in the RFC and its references support the use of an = IPv6 address (or 2) with no RD at 16 or 32 bytes, so this does seem to = be the intention of the document as written.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549
 
Thanks,
Ian
 
From: Softwires <softwires-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Zhuangshunwan = <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday, 25. June 2019 at 13:18
To: "ianfarrer@gmx.com" = <ianfarrer@gmx.com>
Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" = <softwires@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Softwires] = Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 = Core in RFC5549
 
Hi Ian,
 
Thanks for = your response!
 
The opinion I = have collected is:
Per RFC4634, = the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning with an = 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address.
Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, = beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 = address.
When we start to implement the IPv4 VPN = over IPv6 Core,  it is a natural way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes = with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending = with a 16-octet IPv6 address) .
 
I believe this is not just a minority opinion, and some of = the current implementations are also doing this way.
 
I hope that = the WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and avoid = interoperability problem in the future.
 
Thanks,
Shunwan
 
From: ianfarrer@gmx.com [mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 = PM
To: Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Cc: bess@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding = the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in = RFC5549
 
Hi,
 
My reading of Section 3 of = RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as an IPv6 = address:
 
   The BGP speaker = receiving the advertisement MUST use the Length of
  =  Next Hop Address field to determine which network-layer protocol = the
   next hop address belongs to.  When the = Length of Next Hop Address
   field is equal to = 16 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6.
 
It=E2=80=99s also worth = noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states:
 
A VPN-IPv6 = address is a 24-octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet
  =  "Route Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 = address.
 
So, not 16 or 32 = bytes.
 
Thanks,
Ian
 

 

On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, = Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:
 
Dear = authors and WGs,
 
RFC5549 Section 6.2 says: 
 
. 6.2.  IPv4 VPN over IPv6 = Core
. 
.    The extensions defined in this document = may be used for support of
.    IPV4 VPNs = over an IPv6 backbone.  In this application, PE routers
.    would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the = MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv6
.    Next = Hop.
. 
.    The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded = with:
. 
.    o  AFI =3D 1
. 
.    o  SAFI =3D 128
. 
.    = o  Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32)
. 
.    = o  Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next = Hop
. 
.    o  NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN = routes
 
 
Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, = RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says:
 
. 4.3.2.  Route = Distribution Among PEs by BGP
[snip]
.    When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 = route via BGP, it uses its
.    own address as the "BGP next hop".  = This address is encoded as a
.    VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of = 0.  ([BGP-MP] requires that the = next
.    hop address be in the same address family = as the Network Layer
.    Reachability = Information (NLRI).)  It also assigns and distributes = an
.    MPLS label.  (Essentially, PE = routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes,
.    but Labeled = VPN-IPv4 routes.  Cf. [MPLS-BGP].)  When the PE = processes
.    a received = packet that has this label at the top of the stack, the PE
.    will pop the stack, and process the = packet appropriately.
[snip]
 
 
Question:
RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", = When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via = BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an = RD of 0 ? 
 
 
Thanks,
Shunwan
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The same leading zeros were also added to SAFI 128 in the next hop field as to match the length of RD:IP prefix of the L3VPN NLRI. Original 2547 or subsequent 4364 did not define explicitly that the size of the next hop could be inferred from the nh length field - just took verbatim from 4760 that next hop is identified by AFI/SAFI of the NLRI itself . But in general MP-BGP spec does not limit protocol designers. When you define a new SAFI you are free to say that format of next hop will be inferred from its length field or that next hop may not be present at all as it does not make sense for a given SAFI (ref 5575) and that in turn will be indicated by zero nh length Many thx, R. On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:06 PM UTTARO, JAMES wrote: > *+1* > > > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of * Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM > *To:* Xiejingrong > *Cc:* idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; ianfarrer@gmx.com; > softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network > Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > All, > > > > RD is a property of the NLRI not next hop. I am not sure where in this > thread or some spec someone came to the conclusion that next hop field > should contain an RD. RD is not useful there and should never be part of > any next hop field. > > > > Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it - no more no less. > Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is no need to make i= t > unique. > > > > In some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop field > (there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the same > AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros. > > > > Thx, > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong > wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I guess this is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there anyon= e > can tell us the history of this inconsistency ? > > RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 > network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as nexthop. > > RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD as > nexthop. > > This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about MVPN6 > over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use IPv4/IPv= 6 > without RD as nexthop (see below). > > The purpose of this document is to make clear that whenever a PE > > address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in the NLRI or in an > > attribute), the IP address family of that address is determined by > > the length of the address (a length of 4 octets for IPv4 addresses, a > > length of 16 octets for IPv6 addresses), NOT by the AFI field of the > > route. > > > > My suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nextho= p > IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same. > > The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as current shape, while interoperat= e > can meet between different implementations. > > Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on further FooServic= e > over FooNetwork ? > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > *From:* Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of * > ian.farrer@telekom.de > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM > *To:* Zhuangshunwan ; ianfarrer@gmx.com > *Cc:* softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi Shunwan, > > > > I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the referenced section 3 of RFC= 2545 and > I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for encoding the next-hop. Sectio= n > 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte GU IPv6 address or= 32-bytes > with a GU and LL address. > > > > Can you point me to the text that gives you the impression that VPN-IPv6 > is correct? > > > > Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata on RFC5549, (not verif= ied) > saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to include the RD. However, as > mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in the RFC and it= s > references support the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) with no RD at 16 or = 32 > bytes, so this does seem to be the intention of the document as written. > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549 > > > > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > > *From: *Softwires on behalf of Zhuangshunwan > > *Date: *Tuesday, 25. June 2019 at 13:18 > *To: *"ianfarrer@gmx.com" > *Cc: *"softwires@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" < > bess@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi Ian, > > > > Thanks for your response! > > > > The opinion I have collected is: > > Per RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address. > > Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > > When we start to implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, it is a natural > way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) . > > > > I believe this is not just a minority opinion, and some of the current > implementations are also doing this way. > > > > I hope that the WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and avoid > interoperability problem in the future. > > > > Thanks, > > Shunwan > > > > *From:* ianfarrer@gmx.com [mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com ] > *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM > *To:* Zhuangshunwan > *Cc:* bess@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi, > > > > My reading of Section 3 of RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as > an IPv6 address: > > > > The BGP speaker receiving the advertisement MUST use the Length of > > Next Hop Address field to determine which network-layer protocol the > > next hop address belongs to. When the Length of Next Hop Address > > field is equal to 16 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6. > > > > It=E2=80=99s also worth noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states: > > > > A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet > > "Route Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > > > > So, not 16 or 32 bytes. > > > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > > > > On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan wrote= : > > > > Dear authors and WGs, > > > > RFC5549 Section 6.2 says: > > > > . 6.2. IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core > > . > > . The extensions defined in this document may be used for support of > > . IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone. In this application, PE routers > > . would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv= 6 > > . Next Hop. > > . > > . The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with: > > . > > . o AFI =3D 1 > > . > > . o SAFI =3D 128 > > . > > . o Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32) > > . > > . o Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop > > . > > . o NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes > > > > > > Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says: > > > > . 4.3.2. Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP > > [snip] > > . When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its > > . own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a > > . VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0. ([BGP-MP] requires that the next > > . hop address be in the same address family as the Network Layer > > . Reachability Information (NLRI).) It also assigns and distributes a= n > > . MPLS label. (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes= , > > . but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes. Cf. [MPLS-BGP].) When the PE processe= s > > . a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, the P= E > > . will pop the stack, and process the packet appropriately. > > [snip] > > > > > > Question: > > RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a > VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be > encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Shunwan > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > --0000000000002151fd058c39f1b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And just to se= lf complete the last sentence ...=C2=A0

The same leading zeros were also added to SAFI 128=C2=A0 in t= he next hop field as to match the length of RD:IP prefix of the L3VPN NLRI.= Original 2547 or subsequent 4364 did not define explicitly that the size o= f the next hop could be inferred from the nh length field - just took verba= tim from 4760 that next hop is identified by AFI/SAFI of the NLRI itself .<= /div>

But in general MP-BGP spec does not li= mit protocol designers. When you define a new SAFI you are free to say that= format of next hop will be inferred from its length field or that next hop= may not be present at all as it does not make=C2=A0sense for a given SAFI = (ref 5575) and that in turn will be indicated by zero nh length=C2=A0=C2=A0=

Many thx,
R.


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:06 PM UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com> wrote:

+1=

= =C2=A0

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc: idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@t= elekom.de; ianfa= rrer@gmx.com; s= oftwires@ietf.org; b= ess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network= Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549

=C2=A0

All,

=C2=A0

RD is a property of the NLRI not next hop. I am not = sure where in this thread or some spec someone came to the conclusion that = next hop field should contain an RD. RD is not useful there and should neve= r be part of any next hop field.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that'= ;s it - no more no less. Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and the= re is no need to make it unique.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in = IPv6 next hop field (there was historically some assumption that next hop m= ust be of the same AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros.

=C2=A0

Thx,

R.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.= com> wrote:

Hi folks,

=C2=A0

I guess this is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there anyon= e can tell us the history of this inconsistency ?

RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 netw= ork) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as nexthop.

RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD as = nexthop.

This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about MVPN6 o= ver IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use IPv4/IPv6 without RD as nexthop (see below).=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The purpose of this document is to make clear that = whenever a PE

=C2=A0=C2=A0 address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in th= e NLRI or in an

=C2=A0=C2=A0 attribute), the IP address family of that address i= s determined by

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the length of the address (a length of 4 octets for= IPv4 addresses, a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 length of 16 octets for IPv6 addresses), NOT by the= AFI field of the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 route.

=C2=A0

My suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nextho= p IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same.

The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as current shape, while interoperat= e can meet between different implementations.

Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on further FooServic= e over FooNetwork ?

=C2=A0

Thanks

Jingrong

=C2=A0

From: Softwires [mailto:softwires-bou= nces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ian.farrer@telekom.de
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>; ianfarrer@gmx.com
Cc: softwire= s@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address codi= ng for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549

=C2=A0

Hi Shunwan,=

=C2=A0<= /span>

I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the = referenced section 3 of RFC2545 and I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6= for encoding the next-hop. Section 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte GU IPv6 add= ress or 32-bytes with a GU and LL address.

=C2=A0

Can you point me to the text that gives you th= e impression that VPN-IPv6 is correct?

=C2=A0

Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Er= rata on RFC5549, (not verified) saying that the length should be 24 or 48 t= o include the RD. However, as mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in the RFC and = its references support the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) with no RD at 16 o= r 32 bytes, so this does seem to be the intention of the document as writte= n.

https://www.rfc-e= ditor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ian

=C2=A0

From: Softwires <softwires-bounces@ietf.org>= ; on behalf of Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday, 25. Ju= ne 2019 at 13:18
To: "ian= farrer@gmx.com" <ianfarrer@gmx.com>
Cc: "so= ftwires@ietf.org" <softwires@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address codi= ng for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549=

=C2=A0<= /span>

Hi = Ian,

=C2= =A0

Tha= nks for your response!

=C2= =A0

The= opinion I have collected is:

Per= RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning with a= n 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address.

Per= RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, beginning with a= n 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address.

Whe= n we start to implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, =C2=A0it is a natural = way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-= octet IPv6 address) .

=C2=A0

I b= elieve this is not just a minority opinion, and some of the current impleme= ntations are also doing this way.

=C2= =A0

I h= ope that the WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and avoid inte= roperability problem in the future.

=C2= =A0

Tha= nks,

Shu= nwan

=C2= =A0

From: ianfarrer@gmx.com [mailto:ianfarrer@= gmx.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM
To: Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Cc: bess@ietf.org= ; softwires@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address codi= ng for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549=

=C2=A0<= /span>

Hi,

=C2=A0<= /span>

My reading of Section 3 of RFC5549= is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as an IPv6 address:=

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The BGP speaker recei= ving the advertisement MUST use the Length of

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Next Hop Address fiel= d to determine which network-layer protocol the<= /span>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0next hop address belo= ngs to.=C2=A0 When the Length of Next Hop Address

=C2=A0 =C2=A0field is equal to 16 = or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6.

=C2=A0<= /span>

It=E2= =80=99s also worth noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states:

=C2=A0<= /span>

A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet q= uantity, beginning with an 8-octet

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Route Distingui= sher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address.

=C2=A0<= /span>

So, not 16 or 32 bytes.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thanks,=

Ian

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /u>

On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangs= hunwan <zh= uangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:

=C2=A0<= /span>

Dear authors and WGs,=

=C2=A0<= /span>

RFC5549 Section 6.2 says:=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /span>

. 6.2.=C2=A0 IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Co= re

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The extensions= defined in this document may be used for support of=

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IPV4 VPNs over= an IPv6 backbone.=C2=A0 In this application, PE routers

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 would advertis= e VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv6=

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Next Hop.

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The MP_REACH_N= LRI is encoded with:

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 AFI = =3D 1

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 SAFI = =3D 128

.=C2=A0

.= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32= )

.=C2=A0

.= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of = Next Hop

.=C2=A0

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 NLRI = =3D IPv4-VPN routes

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634= Section 4.3.2 says:

=C2=A0<= /span>

. 4.3.2.=C2=A0 Route Distribution = Among PEs by BGP

[snip]<= /span>

.= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, i= t uses its

.= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 own address as the "BGP next hop".=C2=A0 This = address is encoded as a

.= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0.=C2=A0=C2=A0([BGP-MP] requires that the next

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 hop address be= in the same address family as the Network Layer=

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Reachability I= nformation (NLRI).)=C2=A0 It also assigns and distributes an

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS label.=C2= =A0 (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes,

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 but Labeled VP= N-IPv4 routes.=C2=A0 Cf. [MPLS-BGP].)=C2=A0 When the PE processes

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a received pac= ket that has this label at the top of the stack, the PE=

.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 will pop the s= tack, and process the packet appropriately.

[snip]<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

Question:

RFC= 5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distribu= tes a VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD= of 0 ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thanks,=

Shunwan=

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This address is encoded as a VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0." That can be read as: A) Next hop field has prepended zeros to match the NLRI format of 8 octet RD + 4 octet IPv4 (for IPv4 case) B) Next hop is of format RD:IPv4 where RD=3D0 My recollection and number of direct discussions with authors of both2547/4364 & 4760 at that time leads me to believe we are dealing with A. Of course anyone can see option B as valid, but at the end of the day it is the same on the wire :) So I am not sure what exactly the problem or the question we are trying to answer is :) Cheers, R. On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:22 PM Alexander Okonnikov < alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > My understanding is follow: RD is encoded in Next Hop field, because > authors of RFC 4364, while referring to RFC 2858, were trying to make it > consistent with RFC 4760 (obsoletes RFC 2858). RFC 2858 says that Next Ho= p > field should match AFI. On the other hand, RFC 4760 says that Next Hop > Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI. Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and > RFC 4760 were being developed practically at the same time period. > > 26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 16:05, UTTARO, JAMES =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): > > *+1* > > *From:* Idr *On Behalf Of *Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM > *To:* Xiejingrong > *Cc:* idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; ianfarrer@gmx.com; > softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network > Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > All, > > RD is a property of the NLRI not next hop. I am not sure where in this > thread or some spec someone came to the conclusion that next hop field > should contain an RD. RD is not useful there and should never be part of > any next hop field. > > Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it - no more no less. > Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is no need to make i= t > unique. > > In some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop field > (there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the same > AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros. > > Thx, > R. > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong > wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I guess this is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there anyon= e > can tell us the history of this inconsistency ? > RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 > network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as nexthop. > RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD as > nexthop. > This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about MVPN6 > over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use IPv4/IPv= 6 > without RD as nexthop (see below). > The purpose of this document is to make clear that whenever a PE > address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in the NLRI or in an > attribute), the IP address family of that address is determined by > the length of the address (a length of 4 octets for IPv4 addresses, a > length of 16 octets for IPv6 addresses), NOT by the AFI field of the > route. > > My suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nextho= p > IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same. > The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as current shape, while interoperat= e > can meet between different implementations. > Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on further FooServic= e > over FooNetwork ? > > Thanks > Jingrong > > *From:* Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of * > ian.farrer@telekom.de > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM > *To:* Zhuangshunwan ; ianfarrer@gmx.com > *Cc:* softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > Hi Shunwan, > > I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the referenced section 3 of RFC= 2545 and > I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for encoding the next-hop. Sectio= n > 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte GU IPv6 address or= 32-bytes > with a GU and LL address. > > Can you point me to the text that gives you the impression that VPN-IPv6 > is correct? > > Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata on RFC5549, (not verif= ied) > saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to include the RD. However, as > mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in the RFC and it= s > references support the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) with no RD at 16 or = 32 > bytes, so this does seem to be the intention of the document as written. > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549 > > > Thanks, > Ian > > *From: *Softwires on behalf of Zhuangshunwan > > *Date: *Tuesday, 25. June 2019 at 13:18 > *To: *"ianfarrer@gmx.com" > *Cc: *"softwires@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" < > bess@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > Hi Ian, > > Thanks for your response! > > The opinion I have collected is: > Per RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address. > Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > When we start to implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, it is a natural > way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. beginning > with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) . > > I believe this is not just a minority opinion, and some of the current > implementations are also doing this way. > > I hope that the WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and avoid > interoperability problem in the future. > > Thanks, > Shunwan > > *From:* ianfarrer@gmx.com [mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com ] > *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM > *To:* Zhuangshunwan > *Cc:* bess@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding > for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > Hi, > > My reading of Section 3 of RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as > an IPv6 address: > > The BGP speaker receiving the advertisement MUST use the Length of > Next Hop Address field to determine which network-layer protocol the > next hop address belongs to. When the Length of Next Hop Address > field is equal to 16 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6. > > It=E2=80=99s also worth noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states: > > A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet > "Route Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. > > So, not 16 or 32 bytes. > > Thanks, > Ian > > > > > On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan wrote= : > > Dear authors and WGs, > > RFC5549 Section 6.2 says: > > . 6.2. IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core > . > . The extensions defined in this document may be used for support of > . IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone. In this application, PE routers > . would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv= 6 > . Next Hop. > . > . The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with: > . > . o AFI =3D 1 > . > . o SAFI =3D 128 > . > . o Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32) > . > . o Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop > . > . o NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes > > > Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says: > > > . 4.3.2. Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP > [snip] > . When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its > . own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a > . VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0. ([BGP-MP] requires that the next > . hop address be in the same address family as the Network Layer > . Reachability Information (NLRI).) It also assigns and distributes a= n > . MPLS label. (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes= , > . but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes. Cf. [MPLS-BGP].) When the PE processe= s > . a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, the P= E > . will pop the stack, and process the packet appropriately. > [snip] > > > Question: > RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a > VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be > encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ? > > > Thanks, > Shunwan > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > --000000000000ec527e058c3a011f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alex,

> My understanding is follo= w: RD is encoded in Next Hop field=C2=A0=C2=A0

That is subtle misinterpretation of the 4364 :)=C2=A0

=
The text says:=C2=A0

"When a PE router d= istributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its=C2=A0=C2=A0own address as = the "BGP next hop".=C2=A0 This address is encoded as a=C2=A0VPN-I= Pv4 address with an RD of 0."

That can be= read as:=C2=A0

A) Next hop field has prepended ze= ros to match the NLRI format of 8 octet RD=C2=A0+ 4 octet IPv4 (for IPv4 ca= se)=C2=A0

B) Next hop is of format RD:IPv4 where R= D=3D0

My recollection and number of direct discuss= ions with authors of both2547/4364 & 4760 at that time leads me to beli= eve we are dealing with A. Of course anyone can see option B as valid, but = at the end of the day it is the same on the wire :)=C2=A0

So I am no= t sure what exactly the problem or the question we are trying to answer is = :)=C2=A0

Cheers,
R.

=





On Wed, Jun 26,= 2019 at 3:22 PM Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

My understanding is follow: RD= is encoded in Next Hop field, because authors of RFC 4364, while referring= to RFC 2858, were trying to make it consistent with RFC 4760 (obsoletes RF= C 2858). RFC 2858 says that Next Hop field should match AFI. On the other h= and, RFC 4760 says that Next Hop Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI= . Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 were being developed practically at= the same time period.

26 =D0= =B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 16:05, UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com> =D0=BD= =D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0):

+1
= =C2=A0<= /b>
From:=C2=A0Idr <i= dr-bounces@ietf.org>=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0Robert Raszuk
Sen= t:=C2= =A0Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM
To:=C2=A0Xiejingrong <= xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc:<= /b>=C2=A0<= /span>idr@ietf.org;=C2=A0ian.farrer@telekom.de;=C2=A0ianfarrer= @gmx.com;=C2=A0softwires@ietf.org;=C2=A0bess@ietf.org
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Idr] [bes= s] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN o= ver IPv6 Core in RFC5549
=C2=A0<= /div>
All,
=C2=A0
RD is a property of the NLRI not = next hop. I am not sure where in this thread or some spec someone came to t= he conclusion that next hop field should contain an RD. RD is not useful th= ere and should never be part of any next hop field.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Remem= ber RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it - no more no less. Nex= t hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is no need to make it uni= que.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
In some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in = IPv6 next hop field (there was historically some assumption that next hop m= ust be of the same AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros.
=C2=A0
Thx,
R.
=C2=A0
=C2= =A0
=C2=A0
<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san= s-serif">=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi folks,<= /span>
=C2=A0
I guess this is an inconsistency due to= past carelessness. Is there anyone can tell us the history of this inconsi= stency ?
RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and R= FC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 = respectively) as nexthop.
= RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 ov= er IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD as nexthop.
This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks a= bout MVPN6 over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use= IPv4/IPv6 without RD as nexthop (see below).
=C2=A0=C2=A0 The purpose of this document is to make clear that whe= never a PE
=C2=A0=C2=A0 address occurs= in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in the NLRI or in an=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 attribute), the IP address family of that addre= ss is determined by
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the l= ength of the address (a length of 4 octets for IPv4 addresses, a
=C2=A0=C2=A0 length of 16 octets for IPv6 addres= ses), NOT by the AFI field of the
=C2= =A0=C2=A0 route.
=C2=A0<= /u>
My suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nex= thop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same= .
The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as curr= ent shape, while interoperate can meet between different implementations.
Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a g= uide on further FooService over FooNetwork ?
= =C2=A0
Thanks=
Jingr= ong
=C2=A0
From= :=C2=A0Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org]=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0ian.farrer@telekom.de
Sent:=C2=A0Tuesday, June 2= 5, 2019 11:12 PM
To:=C2=A0Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>;=C2=A0ianfarrer@gmx.com
Cc:=C2=A0softw= ires@ietf.org;=C2=A0bess@ietf.org
Subje= ct:=C2= =A0Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for= IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san= s-serif">=C2=A0
Hi Shunwan,
=C2=A0
I=E2=80= =99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the referenced section 3 of RFC2545 and = I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for encoding the next-hop. Section = 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte GU IPv6 address or 3= 2-bytes with a GU and LL address.
=C2=A0
Can you point me to the t= ext that gives you the impression that VPN-IPv6 is correct?
=C2=A0
Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata on RFC5549, (not verifi= ed) saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to include the RD. However, a= s mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in the RFC and it= s references support the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) with no RD at 16 or = 32 bytes, so this does seem to be the intention of the document as written.=
= =C2=A0
Thanks,
Ian
=C2= =A0
<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san= s-serif">From:=C2=A0Softwires <softwires-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Zhuangs= hunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com= >
Date:=C2=A0Tuesday, 25.=C2=A0June 2019 at= 13:18
To:=C2=A0"ianfarrer@gmx.com= " <ianfarrer@gmx.com>
Cc:=C2=A0= "softwires@ietf.org"= <softwires@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next = Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
=C2=A0=
Hi Ian,
=C2=A0<= span>
Thanks for your response!=
=C2=A0
The opinion I have collected is:=
Per RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning wi= th an 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address.
Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, beginnin= g with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address.<= u>
When we start to implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, =C2=A0it = is a natural way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e.= beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) .
=C2=A0
I believe this is not just a minorit= y opinion, and some of the current implementations are also doing this way.=
=C2=A0
I hope that the WGs= can give a consistent opinion on this issue and avoid interoperability pro= blem in the future.
=C2=A0
Th= anks,
Shunwan
=C2=A0
From:=C2=A0ianfarrer@gmx.com=C2=A0[mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com]=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Monday, June 24, 2= 019 8:08 PM
To:=C2=A0Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Cc:=C2=A0bess@ietf.org;=C2=A0softwires@ietf.org=
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Ad= dress coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549<= /u>
=C2=A0=
Hi,<= /u>
=C2=A0=
My readin= g of Section 3 of RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as an IPv6 add= ress:
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The BGP speaker receiving the advertisement MUST = use the Length of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Next Hop Address field to determine which= network-layer protocol the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0next hop address belongs to.=C2= =A0 When the Length of Next Hop Address
=C2=A0 =C2=A0field is equal to 1= 6 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6.
=C2=A0=
It= =E2=80=99s also worth noting = that RFC4659 Section 2 states:
=C2=A0<= /div>
A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24= -octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Route Dist= inguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address.<= u>
=C2= =A0
So, not 16 or 32 bytes.
=C2=A0=
Thanks,=
Ian=
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshun= wan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>= ; wrote:
=C2=A0
= Dear authors and WGs,
=C2=A0
RFC5549 Section 6.2 sa= ys:=C2=A0
=C2=A0
. 6.2.=C2=A0 IPv4 VPN over I= Pv6 Core
.=C2=A0
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The exte= nsions defined in this document may be used for support of<= /u>
.=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone.=C2=A0 In this application, PE route= rs
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_N= LRI along with an IPv6
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Next Hop.=
..=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with:
.=C2=A0
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 AFI =3D 1<= /span>
.=C2=A0
<= /div>
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 SAFI =3D = 128
.=C2=A0
.= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32= )
.=C2=A0<= span>
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Network Address of N= ext Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop
.=C2=A0
= .=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes=
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says:=
=C2=A0
. = 4.3.2.=C2=A0 Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP=
[snip]<= /u>
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When a PE router distributes a VPN-IP= v4 route via BGP, it uses its
=
.=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 own address as the "BGP next hop".=C2=A0 This address i= s encoded as a
= .=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 VPN-IP= v4 address with an RD of 0.=C2=A0=C2=A0([BGP-MP] requires that the next
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 hop ad= dress be in the same address family as the Network Layer
.=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Reachability Information (NLRI).)=C2=A0 It also assigns and distribu= tes an
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS label.=C2=A0 (Essentially, PE routers di= stribute not VPN-IPv4 routes,
=
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 but Labeled VPN-IPv4 r= outes.=C2=A0 Cf. [MPLS-BGP].)=C2=A0 When the PE processes
.=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, the P= E
.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 will pop the stack, and process the packet appropr= iately.
[snip]
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Question:
RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE ro= uter distributes a VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the= IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Thanks,
<= div>
Shunwan
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I was trying to explain why Next Hop = field in RFC 4364 and RFC 4659 has format RD:IP (VPNvX address) rather = than just IP. Thank you! > 26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 16:27, Robert Raszuk = =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): >=20 > Hi Alex, >=20 > > My understanding is follow: RD is encoded in Next Hop field =20 >=20 > That is subtle misinterpretation of the 4364 :)=20 >=20 > The text says:=20 >=20 > "When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its = own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a = VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0." >=20 > That can be read as:=20 >=20 > A) Next hop field has prepended zeros to match the NLRI format of 8 = octet RD + 4 octet IPv4 (for IPv4 case)=20 >=20 > B) Next hop is of format RD:IPv4 where RD=3D0 >=20 > My recollection and number of direct discussions with authors of = both2547/4364 & 4760 at that time leads me to believe we are dealing = with A. Of course anyone can see option B as valid, but at the end of = the day it is the same on the wire :)=20 >=20 > So I am not sure what exactly the problem or the question we are = trying to answer is :)=20 >=20 > Cheers, > R. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:22 PM Alexander Okonnikov = > = wrote: > Hi, >=20 > My understanding is follow: RD is encoded in Next Hop field, because = authors of RFC 4364, while referring to RFC 2858, were trying to make it = consistent with RFC 4760 (obsoletes RFC 2858). RFC 2858 says that Next = Hop field should match AFI. On the other hand, RFC 4760 says that Next = Hop Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI. Also, drafts of RFC 4364 = and RFC 4760 were being developed practically at the same time period. >=20 >> 26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 16:05, UTTARO, JAMES = > =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0= =B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0): >>=20 >> +1 >> =20 >> From: Idr > On = Behalf Of Robert Raszuk >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM >> To: Xiejingrong > >> Cc: idr@ietf.org ; ian.farrer@telekom.de = ; ianfarrer@gmx.com = ; softwires@ietf.org = ; bess@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network = Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 >> =20 >> All, >> =20 >> RD is a property of the NLRI not next hop. I am not sure where in = this thread or some spec someone came to the conclusion that next hop = field should contain an RD. RD is not useful there and should never be = part of any next hop field.=20 >> =20 >> Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it - no more no = less. Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is no need to = make it unique.=20 >> =20 >> In some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop = field (there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of = the same AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros. >> =20 >> Thx, >> R. >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong > wrote: >> Hi folks, >> =20 >> I guess this is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there = anyone can tell us the history of this inconsistency ? >> RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 or IPv6 = network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as nexthop. >> RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 without RD = as nexthop. >> This same question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about = MVPN6 over IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use = IPv4/IPv6 without RD as nexthop (see below). >> The purpose of this document is to make clear that whenever a PE >> address occurs in an MCAST-VPN route (whether in the NLRI or in an >> attribute), the IP address family of that address is determined by >> the length of the address (a length of 4 octets for IPv4 = addresses, a >> length of 16 octets for IPv6 addresses), NOT by the AFI field of = the >> route. >> =20 >> My suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and = nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 = the same. >> The RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as current shape, while = interoperate can meet between different implementations. >> Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on further = FooService over FooNetwork ? >> =20 >> Thanks >> Jingrong >> =20 >> From: Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of ian.farrer@telekom.de = >> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM >> To: Zhuangshunwan >; ianfarrer@gmx.com = >> Cc: softwires@ietf.org ; bess@ietf.org = >> Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address = coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 >> =20 >> Hi Shunwan, >> =20 >> I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and the referenced section 3 of = RFC2545 and I can find nothing about using VPN-IPv6 for encoding the = next-hop. Section 3 of RFC5539 is very clear that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte = GU IPv6 address or 32-bytes with a GU and LL address. >> =20 >> Can you point me to the text that gives you the impression that = VPN-IPv6 is correct? >> =20 >> Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata on RFC5549, (not = verified) saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to include the RD. = However, as mentioned above, the supporting text in multiple places in = the RFC and its references support the use of an IPv6 address (or 2) = with no RD at 16 or 32 bytes, so this does seem to be the intention of = the document as written. >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549 = >> =20 >> Thanks, >> Ian >> =20 >> From: Softwires > on behalf of Zhuangshunwan = > >> Date: Tuesday, 25. June 2019 at 13:18 >> To: "ianfarrer@gmx.com " > >> Cc: "softwires@ietf.org " = >, "bess@ietf.org = " > >> Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address = coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 >> =20 >> Hi Ian, >> =20 >> Thanks for your response! >> =20 >> The opinion I have collected is: >> Per RFC4634, the IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, = beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address. >> Per RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, = beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address. >> When we start to implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core, it is a = natural way to encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. = beginning with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) . >> =20 >> I believe this is not just a minority opinion, and some of the = current implementations are also doing this way. >> =20 >> I hope that the WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and = avoid interoperability problem in the future. >> =20 >> Thanks, >> Shunwan >> =20 >> From: ianfarrer@gmx.com = [mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com ]=20 >> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM >> To: Zhuangshunwan > >> Cc: bess@ietf.org ; softwires@ietf.org = >> Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address = coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 >> =20 >> Hi, >> =20 >> My reading of Section 3 of RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded = as an IPv6 address: >> =20 >> The BGP speaker receiving the advertisement MUST use the Length of >> Next Hop Address field to determine which network-layer protocol = the >> next hop address belongs to. When the Length of Next Hop Address >> field is equal to 16 or 32, the next hop address is of type IPv6. >> =20 >> It=E2=80=99s also worth noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states: >> =20 >> A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, beginning with an 8-octet >> "Route Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 = address. >> =20 >> So, not 16 or 32 bytes. >> =20 >> Thanks, >> Ian >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan > wrote: >> =20 >> Dear authors and WGs, >> =20 >> RFC5549 Section 6.2 says:=20 >> =20 >> . 6.2. IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core >> .=20 >> . The extensions defined in this document may be used for support = of >> . IPV4 VPNs over an IPv6 backbone. In this application, PE = routers >> . would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an = IPv6 >> . Next Hop. >> .=20 >> . The MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with: >> .=20 >> . o AFI =3D 1 >> .=20 >> . o SAFI =3D 128 >> .=20 >> . o Length of Next Hop Network Address =3D 16 (or 32) >> .=20 >> . o Network Address of Next Hop =3D IPv6 address of Next Hop >> .=20 >> . o NLRI =3D IPv4-VPN routes >> =20 >> =20 >> Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says: >> =20 >> . 4.3.2. Route Distribution Among PEs by BGP >> [snip] >> . When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses = its >> . own address as the "BGP next hop". This address is encoded as a >> . VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of 0. ([BGP-MP] requires that the = next >> . hop address be in the same address family as the Network Layer >> . Reachability Information (NLRI).) It also assigns and = distributes an >> . MPLS label. (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 = routes, >> . but Labeled VPN-IPv4 routes. Cf. [MPLS-BGP].) When the PE = processes >> . a received packet that has this label at the top of the stack, = the PE >> . will pop the stack, and process the packet appropriately. >> [snip] >> =20 >> =20 >> Question: >> RFC5549 defines "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router = distributes a VPN-IPv4 route with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the = IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ?=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Thanks, >> Shunwan >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires = >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess = _______________________________________= ________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr = --Apple-Mail=_A4411001-AEAB-43A2-8323-D91FA0F215BB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Robert,

Sorry, I was = not so precise :-) Of course, RD part in Next Hop is not copied from RD = of NLRI, but zeroed. I was trying to explain why Next Hop field in RFC = 4364 and RFC 4659 has format RD:IP (VPNvX address) rather than just = IP.

Thank = you!

26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2= 16:27, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0= =BB(=D0=B0):

Hi Alex,

> My understanding is follow: RD is = encoded in Next Hop field  

That is subtle = misinterpretation of the 4364 :) 

The text says: 

"When a PE router = distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses its  own address = as the "BGP next hop".  This address is encoded as a VPN-IPv4 = address with an RD of 0."

That can be read as: 

A) Next hop field has = prepended zeros to match the NLRI format of 8 octet RD + 4 octet = IPv4 (for IPv4 case) 

B) Next hop is of format RD:IPv4 where RD=3D0

My recollection and = number of direct discussions with authors of both2547/4364 & 4760 at = that time leads me to believe we are dealing with A. Of course anyone = can see option B as valid, but at the end of the day it is the same on = the wire :) 

So I am not sure what = exactly the problem or the question we are trying to answer is = :) 

Cheers,
R.






On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:22 PM = Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

My understanding is follow: RD is = encoded in Next Hop field, because authors of RFC 4364, while referring = to RFC 2858, were trying to make it consistent with RFC 4760 (obsoletes = RFC 2858). RFC 2858 says that Next Hop field should match AFI. On the = other hand, RFC 4760 says that Next Hop Field should match combination = of AFI/SAFI. Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 were being developed = practically at the same time period.

26 = =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3., =D0=B2 16:05, UTTARO, JAMES = <ju1738@att.com> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB= (=D0=B0):

+1
 
From: Id= r <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: We= dnesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM
To: Xi= ejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc: idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; ianfarrer@gmx.com; softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re= : [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding = for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
 
All,
 
RD is = a property of the NLRI not next hop. I am not sure where in this thread = or some spec someone came to the conclusion that next hop field should = contain an RD. RD is not useful there and should never be part of any = next hop field. 
 
Remember RD role is to make prefix unique - that's it - no = more no less. Next hop uniqness is given by architecture and there is no = need to make it unique. 
 
In = some cases when we need to carry IPv4 address in IPv6 next hop field = (there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the = same AF as prefix) we prepend to it numerical zeros.
 
Thx,
R.
 
 
 
 
 
On = Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40 PM Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi = folks,
 
I guess this = is an inconsistency due to past carelessness. Is there anyone can tell = us the history of this inconsistency ?
RFC4364(VPNv4 over IPv4 network) and RFC4659(VPNv6 over IPv4 = or IPv6 network) both require to use RD+IP(v4 or v6 respectively) as = nexthop.
RFC5549(VPNv4/IPv4 over IPv6 network) requires to use IPv6 = without RD as nexthop.
This same = question also occur in MVPN: RFC6515, which talks about MVPN6 over = IPv4/IPv6, or MVPN over IPv6, but does imply loosely to use IPv4/IPv6 = without RD as nexthop (see below).
   The purpose of this = document is to make clear that whenever a PE
   address occurs in an = MCAST-VPN route (whether in the NLRI or in an
   attribute), the IP address = family of that address is determined by
   the length of the address = (a length of 4 octets for IPv4 addresses, a
   length of 16 octets for = IPv6 addresses), NOT by the AFI field of the
   route.
 
My = suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop = IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the = same.
The = RFC5549/SRv6-VPN/RFC6515 can keep as current shape, while interoperate = can meet between different implementations.
Need a new draft to clarify this and to give a guide on = further FooService over FooNetwork ?
 
Thanks
Jingrong
 
From: So= ftwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ian.farrer@telekom.de
Sent: Tu= esday, June 25, 2019 11:12 PM
To: Zh= uangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>; ianfarrer@gmx.com
Cc: softwires@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re= : [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN = over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
 
Hi Shunwan,
 
I=E2=80=99ve just re-checked RFC5539, and = the referenced section 3 of RFC2545 and I can find nothing about using = VPN-IPv6 for encoding the next-hop. Section 3 of RFC5539 is very clear = that it=E2=80=99s a 16-byte GU IPv6 address or 32-bytes with a GU and LL = address.
 
Can you point me to the text that gives you the impression = that VPN-IPv6 is correct?
 
Note =E2=80=93 I see that there is reported Errata on = RFC5549, (not verified) saying that the length should be 24 or 48 to = include the RD. However, as mentioned above, the supporting text in = multiple places in the RFC and its references support the use of an IPv6 = address (or 2) with no RD at 16 or 32 bytes, so this does seem to be the = intention of the document as written.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D5549
 
Thanks,
Ian
 
From: Softwires <softwires-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Zhuangshunwan = <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Date: Tuesday, 25. June 2019 at 13:18
To: "ianfarrer@gmx.com" <ianfarrer@gmx.com>
Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" <softwires@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 = VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
 
Hi = Ian,
 
Thanks for your = response!
 
The opinion I have = collected is:
Per RFC4634, the = IPv4-VPN routes shall carry the V4 Next-hop, beginning with an 8-octet = RD and ending with a 4-octet IPv4 address.
Per= RFC4659, the IPv6-VPN routes shall carry the V6 Next-hop, beginning = with an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address.
When we start to = implement the IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core,  it is a natural way to = encode the IPv4-VPN routes with VPN-IPv6 next-hop (i.e. beginning with = an 8-octet RD and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address) .
 
I = believe this is not just a minority opinion, and some of the current = implementations are also doing this way.
 
I hope that the = WGs can give a consistent opinion on this issue and avoid = interoperability problem in the future.
 
Thanks,
Shunwan
 
From: ianfarrer@gmx.com [<= a href=3D"mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com" = style=3D"color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">mailto:ianfarrer@gmx.com] Sent: Mo= nday, June 24, 2019 8:08 PM
To: Zh= uangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com>
Cc: bess@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org
Subject: Re= : [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN = over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
 
Hi,
 
My reading of Section 3 of = RFC5549 is that the v6 next-hop is encoded as an IPv6 = address:
 
   The BGP speaker receiving the = advertisement MUST use the Length of
   Next Hop Address field to determine = which network-layer protocol the
   next hop address belongs to.  = When the Length of Next Hop Address
   field is equal to 16 or 32, the next = hop address is of type IPv6.
 
It=E2=80=99s also worth = noting that RFC4659 Section 2 states:
 
A VPN-IPv6 address is a 24-octet quantity, = beginning with an 8-octet
   "Route = Distinguisher" (RD) and ending with a 16-octet IPv6 address.
 
So, not 16 or 32 = bytes.
 
Thanks,
Ian
 

 

On 22. Jun 2019, at 09:59, Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:
 
Dear authors and WGs,
 
RFC5549 Section 6.2 says: 
 
. 6.2.  IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core
. 
.    The = extensions defined in this document may be used for support = of
.    IPV4 VPNs = over an IPv6 backbone.  In this application, PE routers
.    would advertise VPN-IPv4 NLRI = in the MP_REACH_NLRI along with an IPv6
.    Next Hop.
. 
.    The = MP_REACH_NLRI is encoded with:
. 
.    o  AFI = =3D 1
. 
.    o  SAFI = =3D 128
. 
.    o  Length of Next Hop Network = Address =3D 16 (or 32)
. 
.    o  Network Address of Next Hop =3D = IPv6 address of Next Hop
. 
.    o  NLRI = =3D IPv4-VPN routes
 
 
Regarding IPv4-VPN routes, = RFC4634 Section 4.3.2 says:
 
. 4.3.2.  Route = Distribution Among PEs by BGP
[snip]
.    = When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route via BGP, it uses = its
.    own address as the "BGP next hop".  = This address is encoded as a
.    VPN-IPv4 address with an RD of = 0.  ([BGP-MP] = requires that the next
.    hop address = be in the same address family as the Network Layer
.    Reachability Information = (NLRI).)  It also assigns and distributes an
.    MPLS label.  = (Essentially, PE routers distribute not VPN-IPv4 routes,
.    but Labeled VPN-IPv4 = routes.  Cf. [MPLS-BGP].)  When the PE processes
.    a received packet that has = this label at the top of the stack, the PE
.    will pop the stack, and = process the packet appropriately.
[snip]
 
 
Question:
RFC5549 defines = "IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core", When a PE router distributes a VPN-IPv4 route = with an IPv6 Next-Hop via BGP, should the IPv6 Next-Hop be encoded as an = VPN-IPv6 address with an RD of 0 ? 
 
 
Thanks,
Shunwan
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<16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7E66@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7E66@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:49:36 +0200 Message-ID: To: Xiejingrong Cc: Alexander Okonnikov , "softwires@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a5d6d2058c4beb37" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] [Idr] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:49:55 -0000 --000000000000a5d6d2058c4beb37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Back to my suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same. When elements of BGP UPDATE message are being parsed code must know what to expect. Note that we are dealing here with deployed SAFI 128 for nearly 20 years. So today there are two ways to know what format of next hop is in MP_REACH: a) Inferring it from AFI/SAFI per section 3 of RFC4760 or (in addition to the above coarse assumption) b) Inferring it from the discrete value of next hop length field as defined in section 3 of RFC5549 Note that if we would be defining new SAFI we can write anything we like to the rules of constructing the update message. But here again we are dealing with something which is deployed so sort of operating on the plane in flight. If implementation can infer next hop type from length we are safe to define all sections to have next hop length = 16 octets and be done. But if there are some implementations which would only take AFI/SAFI to check if the next hop is correct or even further to check if the next hop length is correct then we have a problem. /* Btw this notion of next hop length = 32 is bizarre ! I have never seen any BGP implementation sending two next hops (global IPv6 address followed by link local IPv6 address) not I am able to find any docs describing how any BGP stack would handle it. IMHO we should move this 32 next hop length to historic asap. */ To the msg from Martin, > maybe the WG would like to reach a conclusion on how to treat that erratum: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5738 I would vote to reject the errata. There is no value of stuffing 8 octet of zeros in the next hop field. If the RFC got defined in 2012 that really means that most implementations are capable of inferring next hop format from the length field - which is very good. Accepting the errata would be a step backwords. Thx, R. On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:15 AM Xiejingrong wrote: > Thanks for the RFC historical lessons. > > --there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the same > AF as prefix. > > --RFC 2858 says that Next Hop field should match AFI. On the other hand, > RFC 4760 says that Next Hop Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI. > > --authors of RFC 4364 were trying to make it consistent with 4760. > > --Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 were being developed practically > at the same time period. > > > > The problem is clear, the nexthop field has been inconsistent between > different L3VPN/MVPN scenarios and different implementations in the long > history. > > > > is the latest draft, but it has > different nexthop in section 3.1 to 3.4, in the year 2019. > > > > Back to my suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and > nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the > same. > > > > I think it may be helpful for to add > the above text, and update RFC4364/4659/4760/5549, to eliminate the worries > about interoperation. ----is there any worries about interoperation ? > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > > > *From:* Alexander Okonnikov [mailto:alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:38 PM > *To:* Robert Raszuk > *Cc:* UTTARO, JAMES ; Xiejingrong ; > softwires@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; bess@ietf.org; > ianfarrer@gmx.com > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network > Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > Sorry, I was not so precise :-) Of course, RD part in Next Hop is not > copied from RD of NLRI, but zeroed. I was trying to explain why Next Hop > field in RFC 4364 and RFC 4659 has format RD:IP (VPNvX address) rather than > just IP. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > --000000000000a5d6d2058c4beb37 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Back to my suggestion: imple= mentation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop IPv4 the same, and i= nterpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same.=C2=A0

When elements of BGP UPDATE message are being pa= rsed code must know what to expect. Note that we are dealing here with depl= oyed SAFI 128 for nearly 20 years.=C2=A0

So today = there are two ways to know what format of next hop is in MP_REACH:=C2=A0

a) Inferring it from AFI/SAFI per section 3 of RFC47= 60=C2=A0

or (in addition to the above coarse assum= ption)=C2=A0

b) Inferring it from the discrete val= ue of next hop length field as defined in section 3 of RFC5549
Note that if we would be defining new SAFI we can write anythi= ng we like to the rules of constructing the update message. But here again = we are dealing with something which is deployed so sort of operating on the= plane in flight.=C2=A0

If implementation can = infer next hop type from length we are safe to define all sections to have = next hop length =3D 16 octets and be done. But if there are some implementa= tions which would only take AFI/SAFI to check if the next hop is correct or= even further to check if the next hop length is correct then we have a pro= blem.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
/* Btw this notion of next hop lengt= h =3D 32 is bizarre ! I have never seen any BGP implementation sending two = next hops (global IPv6 address followed by link local IPv6 address) not I a= m able to find any docs describing how any BGP stack would handle it. IMHO = we should move this 32 next hop length to historic asap. */

To the msg from Martin,

<= /div>
> maybe the WG would like to reach a conclusion on= how to treat that erratum:

I would vote to reject the = errata. There is no value of stuffing 8 octet of zeros in the next hop fiel= d. If the RFC got defined in 2012 that really means that most implementatio= ns are capable of inferring next hop format from the length field - which i= s very good. Accepting the errata would be a step backwords.=C2=A0

Thx,
R.

On Thu, Ju= n 27, 2019 at 11:15 AM Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote:

Thanks for the RFC historic= al lessons.

--there was historically so= me assumption that next hop must be of the same AF as prefix.=

--RFC 2858 says that Next H= op field should match AFI. On the other hand, RFC 4760 says that Next Hop F= ield should match combination of AFI/SAFI.

--authors of RFC 4364 were = trying to make it consistent with 4760.

--Also, drafts of RFC 4364 = and RFC 4760 were being developed practically at the same time period.

=C2=A0=

The problem is clear, the n= exthop field has been inconsistent between different L3VPN/MVPN scenarios a= nd different implementations in the long history.

=C2=A0=

<draft-dawra-bess-srv6-s= ervices-00> is the latest draft, but it has different nexthop in section= 3.1 to 3.4, in the year 2019.

=C2=A0=

Back to my suggestion: impl= ementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop IPv4 the same, and = interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same.

=C2=A0=

I think it may be helpful f= or <draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services-00> to add the above text, and upd= ate RFC4364/4659/4760/5549, to eliminate the worries about interoperation. ----is there any worries about interoperation ?

=C2=A0=

Thanks=

Jingrong

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0=

From: Alexander Okonnikov [mailto:= alexande= r.okonnikov@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:38 PM
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com>; Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; softwires@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; bess@ietf.org; ianfarrer@gmx.com
Subject: Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network= Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549=

=C2=A0

Hi Robert,=

=C2=A0

Sorry, I was not so precise :-)= Of course, RD part in Next Hop is not copied from RD of NLRI, but zeroed. = I was trying to explain why Next Hop field in RFC 4364 and RFC 4659 has for= mat RD:IP (VPNvX address) rather than just IP.

=C2=A0

Thank you!=



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<880939EA-32A0-4869-A272-0E7416DED534@gmail.com> <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7E66@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> <9670cbbf-9b35-7ac4-b809-529ab59f18a9@nokia.com> <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BE4DA2@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E5BE4DA2@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:52:18 +0200 Message-ID: To: Zhuangshunwan Cc: "Vigoureux, Martin (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" , Xiejingrong , Alexander Okonnikov , "bess@ietf.org" , "softwires@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000df0928058c4ccb94" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] [Softwires] [Idr] Regarding the Next Hop Network Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:52:34 -0000 --000000000000df0928058c4ccb94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My vote - Reject. Justification: Irrespective if we would reject or accept the erratum implementations must be able to handle 10 years old RFC so must be able to properly recognize the next hop to be either of length 16 or 24. (I am putting aside the 32/48 invention). So that means that next hop length should be used to recognize format of the next hop. That with the fact that stuffing next hop address with useless 64 zeros in the front leads me to believe that if we are to produce any erratums it should be the other way around ... we should replace all documents which call for having next hops full of zeros in the front to normalize it to consist of just real IPv4 or IPv6 single address. Thx, R. On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 1:39 PM Zhuangshunwan wrote: > Hi all, > > Can the WG reach a conclusion on how to treat that erratum related to > RFC5549: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5253 > > Thanks, > Shunwan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Vigoureux, Martin (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:37 PM > To: Xiejingrong ; Alexander Okonnikov < > alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>; Robert Raszuk ; > bess@ietf.org > Cc: softwires@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Softwires] [Idr] [bess] Regarding the Next Hop Network > Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > since we are discussing that topic, > > maybe the WG would like to reach a conclusion on how to treat that erratu= m: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5738 > > Thanks > -m > > Le 2019-06-27 =C3=A0 11:15, Xiejingrong a =C3=A9crit : > > Thanks for the RFC historical lessons. > > > > --there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the > > same AF as prefix. > > > > --RFC 2858 says that Next Hop field should match AFI. On the other > > hand, RFC 4760 says that Next Hop Field should match combination of > AFI/SAFI. > > > > --authors of RFC 4364 were trying to make it consistent with 4760. > > > > --Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 were being developed > > practically at the same time period. > > > > The problem is clear, the nexthop field has been inconsistent between > > different L3VPN/MVPN scenarios and different implementations in the > > long history. > > > > is the latest draft, but it has > > different nexthop in section 3.1 to 3.4, in the year 2019. > > > > Back to my suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 > > and nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop > > IPv6 the same. > > > > I think it may be helpful for to > > add the above text, and update RFC4364/4659/4760/5549, to eliminate > > the worries about interoperation. ----is there any worries about > > interoperation ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jingrong > > > > *From:*Alexander Okonnikov [mailto:alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:38 PM > > *To:* Robert Raszuk > > *Cc:* UTTARO, JAMES ; Xiejingrong > > ; softwires@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; > > ian.farrer@telekom.de; bess@ietf.org; ianfarrer@gmx.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network > > Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > Sorry, I was not so precise :-) Of course, RD part in Next Hop is not > > copied from RD of NLRI, but zeroed. I was trying to explain why Next > > Hop field in RFC 4364 and RFC 4659 has format RD:IP (VPNvX address) > > rather than just IP. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --000000000000df0928058c4ccb94 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My vote - = Reject.=C2=A0

Justific= ation:=C2=A0

Irrespect= ive if we would reject or accept the erratum implementations must be able t= o handle 10 years old RFC so must be able to properly recognize the next ho= p to be either of length 16 or 24. (I am putting aside the 32/48 invention)= .=C2=A0

So that means = that next hop length should be used to recognize format of the next hop. Th= at with the fact that stuffing next hop address with useless 64 zeros in th= e front leads me to believe that if we are to produce any erratums it shoul= d be the other way=C2=A0around ... we should replace all documents which ca= ll for having next hops full of zeros in the front to normalize it to consi= st of just real IPv4 or IPv6 single address.=C2=A0
=
Thx,
R.
<= br>
On Thu,= Jun 27, 2019 at 1:39 PM Zhuangshunwan <zhuangshunwan@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Can the WG reach a conclusion on how to treat that erratum related to RFC55= 49:

https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5253

Thanks,
Shunwan

-----Original Message-----
From: Softwires [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vigoureux, Martin= (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:37 PM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gm= ail.com>; Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>; bess@ietf.org
Cc: softwires@ietf.= org; idr@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: [Softwires] [Idr] [bess] Regarding the Next Hop Network Addres= s coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549

since we are discussing that topic,

maybe the WG would like to reach a conclusion on how to treat that erratum:=
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5738

Thanks
-m

Le 2019-06-27 =C3=A0 11:15, Xiejingrong a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> Thanks for the RFC historical lessons.
>
> --there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the =
> same AF as prefix.
>
> --RFC 2858 says that Next Hop field should match AFI. On the other > hand, RFC 4760 says that Next Hop Field should match combination of AF= I/SAFI.
>
> --authors of RFC 4364 were trying to make it consistent with 4760.
>
> --Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 were being developed
> practically at the same time period.
>
> The problem is clear, the nexthop field has been inconsistent between =
> different L3VPN/MVPN scenarios and different implementations in the > long history.
>
> <draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services-00> is the latest draft, but it = has
> different nexthop in section 3.1 to 3.4, in the year 2019.
>
> Back to my suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4=
> and nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop > IPv6 the same.
>
> I think it may be helpful for <draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services-00>= ; to
> add the above text, and update RFC4364/4659/4760/5549, to eliminate > the worries about interoperation. ----is there any worries about
> interoperation ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jingrong
>
> *From:*Alexander Okonnikov [mailto:alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:38 PM
> *To:* Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
> *Cc:* UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com>; Xiejingrong
> <xiejin= grong@huawei.com>; softwires@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org;
> ian.farrer@= telekom.de; bess@iet= f.org; ianfarrer= @gmx.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network=
> Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> Sorry, I was not so precise :-) Of course, RD part in Next Hop is not =
> copied from RD of NLRI, but zeroed. I was trying to explain why Next <= br> > Hop field in RFC 4364 and RFC 4659 has format RD:IP (VPNvX address) > rather than just IP.
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
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with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:56:32 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: "draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: MPLS Label value 3 in Thread-Index: AdUs3vWoGdUb+Au9QLKp/OVbHShbCg== Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:56:31 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7F79@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7F79nkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] MPLS Label value 3 in X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:56:47 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7F79nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, One question about MPLS Label value 3 used in : the Label value in any service route NLRI encoding MUST be set to Implicit = NULL [RFC3032]. Label =3D Implicit NULL I think the more common use of MPLS Label to represent "invalid" is to use = zero, as in RFC7432 and RFC6556. Why this document use value 3 (Implicit NULL as defined in RFC3032) ? Thanks Jingrong --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7F79nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi folks,

 

One question about MPLS Label v= alue 3 used in <draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services-00>:=

 

the Label value in any service r= oute NLRI encoding MUST be set to Implicit NULL [RFC3032].

 

Label =3D Implicit NULL

 

I think the more common use of = MPLS Label to represent “invalid” is to use zero, as in RFC7432= and RFC6556.

 

Why this document use value 3 (= Implicit NULL as defined in RFC3032) ?

 

Thanks

Jingrong

 

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<16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7F79@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D7F79@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9BDAD434CE804DC1AE2E31A394AD8C94_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] MPLS Label value 3 in X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:12:32 -0000 --_000_9BDAD434CE804DC1AE2E31A394AD8C94_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable s/6556/8556/g 7432 section 8.2.1 The MPLS label in the NLRI MUST be set to 0. 8556 section 3 The MPLS label field SHOULD be set to zero. From:Xiejingrong To:draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services@ietf.org ;bess@ietf.org Date:2019-06-27 19:57:30 Subject:[bess] MPLS Label value 3 in Hi folks, One question about MPLS Label value 3 used in : the Label value in any service route NLRI encoding MUST be set to Implicit = NULL [RFC3032]. Label =3D Implicit NULL I think the more common use of MPLS Label to represent =93invalid=94 is to = use zero, as in RFC7432 and RFC6556. Why this document use value 3 (Implicit NULL as defined in RFC3032) ? Thanks Jingrong --_000_9BDAD434CE804DC1AE2E31A394AD8C94_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
s/6556/8556/g

7432 section 8.2.1
The MPLS label in the NLRI MUST be set to 0.

8556 section 3
The MPLS label field SHOULD be set to zero.
From:Xiejingrong <xiejingrong= @huawei.com>
To:draft-dawra-bess-srv6-service= s@ietf.org <draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services@ietf.org>;bess@ietf.org &l= t;bess@ietf.org>
Date:2019-06-27 19:57:30
Subject:[bess] MPLS Label value = 3 in

Hi folks,

 

One question about MPLS Label v= alue 3 used in <draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services-00>:

 

the Label value in any service= route NLRI encoding MUST be set to Implicit NULL [RFC3032].

 

Label =3D Implicit NULL

 

I think the more common use of = MPLS Label to represent =93invalid=94 is to use zero, as in RFC7432 and RFC= 6556.

 

Why this document use value 3 (= Implicit NULL as defined in RFC3032) ?

 

Thanks

Jingrong

 

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Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Comments on X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 02:51:06 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D8384nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I have read this documents several times. I think it is useful and stable to advance as a solution of L3VPN/EVPN serv= ice over IPv6 networks. Here are some minor comments: SRv6 Service SID refers to an SRv6 SID that MAY be associated with one of the service specific behavior on the advertising Provider Edge(PE) router, such as (but not limited to), in the case of L3VPN service, END.DT (Table lookup in a VRF) or END.DX (crossconnect to a nexthop) functions [xjr] what are the things "but not limited to" ? Please specify explicitly = or delete the words in this paragraph and other places. To provide SRv6 service with best-effort connectivity, the egress PE signals an SRv6 Service SID with the BGP overlay service route. The ingress PE encapsulates the payload in an outer IPv6 header where the destination address is the SRv6 Service SID provided by the egress PE. The underlay between the PEs only need to support plain IPv6 forwarding [RFC2460]. [xjr]"with best-effort connectivity" is not clear to me. [xjr] I suggest a section can be added to say about "not using color and SR= H", "using color and SRH" for easy-deployment and for path-optimization res= pectively. [xjr] s/RFC2460/RFC8200/g To provide SRv6 service in conjunction with an underlay SLA from the ingress PE to the egress PE, the egress PE colors the overlay service route with a Color extended community[I-D.ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy]. The ingress PE encapsulates the payload packet in an outer IPv6 header with an SRH that contains the SR policy associated with the related SLA followed by the SRv6 Service SID associated with the route. The underlay nodes whose SRv6 SID's are part of the SRH must support SRv6 data plane. [xjr] see above suggestion. SRv6 Service Sub-TLV Type (1 octet): This field is set to 1 to represent SRv6 SID Informaton Sub-TLV. [xjr] s/Informaton/information/g Egress PEs which supports SRv6 based L3 services advertises overlay service prefixes along with a Service SID enclosed in a SRv6 L3 Service TLV within the BGP SID attribute. This TLV serves two purposes - first, it indicates that the egress PE is reachable via an SRv6 underlay and the BGP ingress PE receiving this route MAY choose to encapsulate or insert an SRv6 SRH; second ,it indicates the value of the SID to include in the SRH encapsulation. [xjr] The two purposes I can see, the indication of the reachability to thi= s PE, and the indication of a specific Service this SRv6 SID bound to. [xjr] Use of SRH or not is determined by Color Extended Community, or more = precisely, the SR-policy installed on Ingress Node, not this TLV. 4.6. EVPN multicast routes (Route Types 6, 7, 8) over SRv6 core These routes do not require the advertisement of SRv6 Service TLVs along with them. Similar to EVPN Route Type 4, the BGP Nexthop is equal to the IPv6 address of egress PE. More details may be added in future revisions of this document. [xjr] is this determined that No SRv6 Service TLVs required ? the document = had seen the use of SRv6 Service TLV in multicas= t VPN. [xjr] Suggest to say simply this is outside of this document, which I think= covers unicast service only, and helpful to advance. Thanks Jingrong --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115AAB8D8384nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi

I have read this documents seve= ral times.

I think it is useful and stable= to advance as a solution of L3VPN/EVPN service over IPv6 networks.

Here are some minor comments:

 

   SRv6 Service SID refers to an SRv= 6 SID that MAY be associated with 

   one of the service specific behav= ior on the advertising Provider

   Edge(PE) router, such as (but not= limited to), in the case of L3VPN

   service, END.DT (Table lookup in = a VRF) or END.DX (crossconnect to a

   nexthop) functions<= o:p>

[xjr] what are the things ̶= 0;but not limited to” ? Please specify explicitly or delete the words= in this paragraph and other places.

 

   To provide SRv6 service with best= -effort connectivity, the egress PE

   signals an SRv6 Service SID with = the BGP overlay service route.  The

   ingress PE encapsulates the paylo= ad in an outer IPv6 header where the

   destination address is the SRv6 S= ervice SID provided by the egress

   PE.  The underlay between th= e PEs only need to support plain IPv6

   forwarding [RFC2460].<= /span>

[xjr]“with best-effort co= nnectivity” is not clear to me.

[xjr] I suggest a section can b= e added to say about “not using color and SRH”, “using co= lor and SRH” for easy-deployment and for path-optimization respective= ly.

[xjr] s/RFC2460/RFC8200/g<= /o:p>

 

   To provide SRv6 service in conjun= ction with an underlay SLA from the

   ingress PE to the egress PE,= the egress PE colors the overlay service

   route with a Color extended<= /o:p>

   community[I-D.ietf-idr-segment-ro= uting-te-policy].  The ingress PE

   encapsulates the payload packet i= n an outer IPv6 header with an SRH

   that contains the SR policy assoc= iated with the related SLA followed

   by the SRv6 Service SID associate= d with the route.  The underlay

   nodes whose SRv6 SID's are part o= f the SRH must support SRv6 data

   plane.

[xjr] see above suggestion.

 

SRv6 Service Sub-TLV Type (1 octet): This field is set = to 1 to

      r= epresent SRv6 SID Informaton Sub-TLV. 

[xjr] s/Informaton/information/= g

 

   Egress PEs which supports SRv6 ba= sed L3 services advertises overlay

   service prefixes along with a Ser= vice SID enclosed in a SRv6 L3

   Service TLV within the BGP SID at= tribute.  This TLV serves two      =

   purposes - first, it indicates th= at the egress PE is reachable via an 

   SRv6 underlay and the BGP in= gress PE receiving this route MAY choose  

   to encapsulate or insert an SRv6 = SRH; second ,it indicates the value

   of the SID to include in the SRH = encapsulation.

[xjr] The two purposes I can se= e, the indication of the reachability to this PE, and the indication of a s= pecific Service this SRv6 SID bound to.

[xjr] Use of SRH or not is dete= rmined by Color Extended Community, or more precisely, the SR-policy instal= led on Ingress Node, not this TLV.

 

4.6.  EVPN multicast routes (Route Types 6, 7, 8) over SRv= 6 core

   These routes do not require the advertisement of S= Rv6 Service TLVs

   along with them.  Similar to EVPN Route Type = 4, the BGP Nexthop is

   equal to the IPv6 address of egress PE.  More= details may be added in

   future revisions of this document.

[xjr] is this determined that N= o SRv6 Service TLVs required ? the document <draft-xie-bier-ipv6-mvpn>= ; had seen the use of SRv6 Service TLV in multicast VPN.<= /p>

[xjr] Suggest to say simply thi= s is outside of this document, which I think covers unicast service only, a= nd helpful to advance.

 

Thanks

Jingrong

 

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<26436_1561711221_5D15D275_26436_180_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C25BA2A@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C25BA2AOPEXCAUBMA3corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Discussion on various NH encoding X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:40:25 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C25BA2AOPEXCAUBMA3corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, (Speaking as co-chair) The current discussion on the NH encodings in our AFI/SAFIs requires some p= articular attention. We would like to take the opportunity of the next IETF to discuss the subje= ct face to face. In the meantime, we are looking for few volunteers who will: - Do an inventory of what do we have in our specifications: which = AFI/SAFI, which NH encoding rules - Identify inconsistencies (if any) or assess if it hurts or not (= theoretically) - What is implemented or is there some known implementation issues - Present and drive the discussion at next IETF Based on this, we will see if there is something to do or not. Timing is short before next IETF, however the more material we have, the be= tter the discussion will be. Who wants to help on this ? Brgds, Stephane & Matthew ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi WG,

 

(Speaking as co-chair)

 

The current discussion on the NH encodings in our AF= I/SAFIs requires some particular attention.

We would like to take the opportunity of the next IE= TF to discuss the subject face to face.

 

In the meantime, we are looking for few volunteers w= ho will:

-     &= nbsp;    Do an inventory of what do we have in our specifica= tions: which AFI/SAFI, which NH encoding rules

-     &= nbsp;    Identify inconsistencies (if any) or assess if it h= urts or not (theoretically)

-     &= nbsp;    What is implemented or is there some known implemen= tation issues

-     &= nbsp;    Present and drive the discussion at next IETF<= /o:p>

 

Based on this, we will see if there = is something to do or not.

Timing is short before next IETF, ho= wever the more material we have, the better the discussion will be.

 

Who wants to help on this ?

 

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane & Matthew

 

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But my main question is what should the receiver of such "thing" do ? Which next hop is more important to be actually used in forwarding ? Based on what elements such decision is made ... If you know some history and can share it here iI think it may be useful for others. Btw which implementation sends two :) ? Should not be a big secret I suppose. Thx, R. On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 9:48 AM wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > There are implementations which set two NHs, here is a capture: > > > > Update Message (2), length: 150 > > Multi-Protocol Reach NLRI (14), length: 100, Flags [O]: > > AFI: IPv6 (2), SAFI: labeled VPN Unicast (128) > > nexthop: RD: 0:0 (= 0.0.0.0), 2000::162RD: 0:0 (= 0.0.0.0), > fe80::2a94:fff:fefa:3cc0, nh-length: 48, no SNPA > > RD: 10283:803700200 (= 47.231.125.232), 2000:bebe:37::/56, > label:1313 (bottom) > > RD: 10283:803700200 (= 47.231.125.232), 2000:bebe:37::1/128, > label:1314 (bottom) > > Origin (1), length: 1, Flags [T]: IGP > > AS Path (2), length: 6, Flags [T]: 11111 > > Extended Community (16), length: 8, Flags [OT]: > > target (0x0002), Flags [none]: 11111:999900200 (= 59.153.68.40) > > > > Note that this behavior caused some interop issues with another vendor who > partially supported RFC4659. > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2019 12:50 > *To:* Xiejingrong > *Cc:* softwires@ietf.org; draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services@ietf.org; > bess@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network > Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > > Back to my suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 > and nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 > the same. > > > > When elements of BGP UPDATE message are being parsed code must know what > to expect. Note that we are dealing here with deployed SAFI 128 for nearly > 20 years. > > > > So today there are two ways to know what format of next hop is in > MP_REACH: > > > > a) Inferring it from AFI/SAFI per section 3 of RFC4760 > > > > or (in addition to the above coarse assumption) > > > > b) Inferring it from the discrete value of next hop length field as > defined in section 3 of RFC5549 > > > > Note that if we would be defining new SAFI we can write anything we like > to the rules of constructing the update message. But here again we are > dealing with something which is deployed so sort of operating on the plane > in flight. > > > > If implementation can infer next hop type from length we are safe to > define all sections to have next hop length = 16 octets and be done. But if > there are some implementations which would only take AFI/SAFI to check if > the next hop is correct or even further to check if the next hop length is > correct then we have a problem. > > > > /* Btw this notion of next hop length = 32 is bizarre ! I have never seen > any BGP implementation sending two next hops (global IPv6 address followed > by link local IPv6 address) not I am able to find any docs describing how > any BGP stack would handle it. IMHO we should move this 32 next hop length > to historic asap. */ > > > > To the msg from Martin, > > > > > maybe the WG would like to reach a conclusion on how to treat that > erratum: > > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5738 > > > > I would vote to reject the errata. There is no value of stuffing 8 octet > of zeros in the next hop field. If the RFC got defined in 2012 that really > means that most implementations are capable of inferring next hop format > from the length field - which is very good. Accepting the errata would be a > step backwords. > > > > Thx, > R. > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:15 AM Xiejingrong > wrote: > > Thanks for the RFC historical lessons. > > --there was historically some assumption that next hop must be of the same > AF as prefix. > > --RFC 2858 says that Next Hop field should match AFI. On the other hand, > RFC 4760 says that Next Hop Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI. > > --authors of RFC 4364 were trying to make it consistent with 4760. > > --Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 were being developed practically > at the same time period. > > > > The problem is clear, the nexthop field has been inconsistent between > different L3VPN/MVPN scenarios and different implementations in the long > history. > > > > is the latest draft, but it has > different nexthop in section 3.1 to 3.4, in the year 2019. > > > > Back to my suggestion: implementation should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and > nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the > same. > > > > I think it may be helpful for to add > the above text, and update RFC4364/4659/4760/5549, to eliminate the worries > about interoperation. ----is there any worries about interoperation ? > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > > > *From:* Alexander Okonnikov [mailto:alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:38 PM > *To:* Robert Raszuk > *Cc:* UTTARO, JAMES ; Xiejingrong ; > softwires@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; bess@ietf.org; > ianfarrer@gmx.com > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network > Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549 > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > Sorry, I was not so precise :-) Of course, RD part in Next Hop is not > copied from RD of NLRI, but zeroed. 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Stephane,

Sure you can send two NHs nex= t to each other. But my main question is what should the receiver of such &= quot;thing" do ? Which next hop is more important to be actually used = in forwarding ? Based on what elements such decision is made ...=C2=A0

If you know some history and can share it here iI thin= k it may be useful for others.=C2=A0

Btw which imp= lementation sends two :) ? Should not be a big secret I suppose.=C2=A0

Thx,
R.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 9:48 AM= <stephane.litkowski@or= ange.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0

There are imple= mentations which set two NHs, here is a capture:

=C2=A0

Update Message = (2), length: 150

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Multi-Protocol Reach NLRI (14), len= gth: 100, Flags [O]:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 AFI: IPv6 (2), SAFI: la= beled VPN Unicast (128)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 nexthop: RD: 0:0 (=3D 0= .0.0.0), 2000::162RD: 0:0 (=3D 0.0.0.0), fe80::2a94:fff:fefa:3cc0, nh-lengt= h: 48, no SNPA

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RD: 10283:8= 03700200 (=3D 47.231.125.232), 2000:bebe:37::/56, label:1313 (bottom)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RD: 10283:8= 03700200 (=3D 47.231.125.232), 2000:bebe:37::1/128, label:1314 (bottom)<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Origin (1), length: 1, Flags [T]: I= GP

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 AS Path (2), length: 6, Flags [T]: = 11111

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Extended Community (16), length: 8,= Flags [OT]:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 target (0x0002), Flags = [none]: 11111:999900200 (=3D 59.153.68.40)

=C2=A0

Note that this behavior caused some interop = issues with another vendor who partially supported RFC4659.

=C2=A0

Brgds,

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 12:50
To: Xiejingrong
Cc: softwire= s@ietf.org; draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network= Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549=

=C2=A0

> Back to my suggestion: implementation= should interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret = nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 the same.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

When elements of BGP UPDATE message are being parsed= code must know what to expect. Note that we are dealing here with deployed= SAFI 128 for nearly 20 years.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

So today there are two ways to know what format of n= ext hop is in MP_REACH:=C2=A0

=C2=A0

a) Inferring it from AFI/SAFI per section 3 of RFC47= 60=C2=A0

=C2=A0

or (in addition to the above coarse assumption)=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

b) Inferring it from the discrete value of next hop = length field as defined in section 3 of RFC5549

=C2=A0

Note that if we would be defining new SAFI we can wr= ite anything we like to the rules of constructing the update message. But h= ere again we are dealing with something which is deployed so sort of operat= ing on the plane in flight.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

If implementation can infer next hop type from lengt= h we are safe to define all sections to have next hop length =3D 16 octets = and be done. But if there are some implementations which would only take AF= I/SAFI to check if the next hop is correct or even further to check if the next hop length is correct then we have a = problem.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

/* Btw this notion of next hop length =3D 32 is biza= rre ! I have never seen any BGP implementation sending two next hops (globa= l IPv6 address followed by link local IPv6 address) not I am able to find a= ny docs describing how any BGP stack would handle it. IMHO we should move this 32 next hop length to historic a= sap. */

=C2=A0

To the msg from Martin,

=C2=A0

> maybe the WG would like to reach a conclusion o= n how to treat that erratum:

=C2=A0

I would vote to reject the errata. There is no value= of stuffing 8 octet of zeros in the next hop field. If the RFC got defined= in 2012 that really means that most implementations are capable of inferri= ng next hop format from the length field - which is very good. Accepting the errata would be a step backwords= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thx,
R.

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:15 AM Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawe= i.com> wrote:

Thanks for the RFC historical lessons.

--there was historically some assumption t= hat next hop must be of the same AF as prefix.

--RFC 2858 says that Next Hop field should= match AFI. On the other hand, RFC 4760 says that Next Hop Field should match combination of AFI/SAFI.

--authors of RFC 4364 were trying to make = it consistent with 4760.

--Also, drafts of RFC 4364 and RFC 4760 we= re being developed practically at the same time period.

=C2=A0

The problem is clear, the nexthop field ha= s been inconsistent between different L3VPN/MVPN scenarios and different implementations in the long h= istory.

=C2=A0

<draft-dawra-bess-srv6-services-00> = is the latest draft, but it has different nexthop in section 3.1 to 3.4, in the year 2019.

=C2=A0

Back to my suggestion: implementation shou= ld interpret nexthop RD+IPv4 and nexthop IPv4 the same, and interpret nexthop RD+IPv6 and nexthop IPv6 = the same.

=C2=A0

I think it may be helpful for <draft-da= wra-bess-srv6-services-00> to add the above text, and update RFC4364/4659/4760/5549, to eliminate the worrie= s about interoperation. ----is there any worries about interoperation ?

=C2=A0

Thanks

Jingrong=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Alexander Okonnikov [mailto:alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:38 PM
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com>; Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; softwires@ietf.org<= /a>; idr@ietf.org; ian.farrer@telekom.de; bess@ietf.org; ianfarrer@gmx.com
Subject: Re: [Idr] [bess] [Softwires] Regarding the Next Hop Network= Address coding for IPv4 VPN over IPv6 Core in RFC5549<= u>

=C2=A0

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0

Sorry, I was not so precise :-) Of course, RD = part in Next Hop is not copied from RD of NLRI, but zeroed. I was trying to= explain why Next Hop field in RFC 4364 and RFC 4659 has format RD:IP (VPNvX address) rather= than just IP.

=C2=A0

Thank you!

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0

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have been scheduled for IETF 105 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 23:07:30 -0000 Dear mankamana mishra, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. bess Session 1 (1:30 requested) Tuesday, 23 July 2019, Afternoon Session II 1520-1650 Room Name: Viger size: 200 --------------------------------------------- bess Session 2 (1:30 requested) Thursday, 25 July 2019, Afternoon Session III 1740-1910 Room Name: Laurier size: 250 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/sessions/bess.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: BGP Enabled ServiceS Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: mankamana mishra Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours, 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 90 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: idr nvo3 Second Priority: spring sfc mpls pim bier pals Third Priority: i2rs People who must be present: Matthew Bocci Martin Vigoureux Stephane Litkowski mankamana prasad mishra Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Jun 29 01:04:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7A912013A; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 01:04:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuTtRbC1f7OQ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 01:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk1-f173.google.com (mail-vk1-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49753120033; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 01:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id g124so1728167vkd.1; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 01:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=O6ReLZ7B4z5OhFNyjY3aEr1fx2x2oGa7FypwCm2KhA4=; b=XK9uRtHtwM27307I/mbDUxJWRUxraxkWhwHUDaWBreMJvOJM65eh/L1WTGz31lIarK yDEyjPrKi3IypDKG79uj7YpoPuWrvVIWpqarggwwA787ofpmfDCEMM2370qHuyn5o6mU UcEo4QKcDXoGlvxY3bvpnvex1sXcf/iSRvZ2T5VSxXZViJAiYm0xwATOgI7Ku6fyIGBg RDNl3U1xd67QjkA7aXdg9M15wqxZTkUTDfBi7wiYYdHwzBAN0G/Pqq7XmrDXROFjhN86 iO0lveBPnSXotMlTqn25X4OYnfpjM4iwm0neEpxUBUUwBXul3rlMKMTZWvm+DLZj1AOi yuxg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWWfxvbS2UNUot3b6JXT6PWq1J4cWVl4/imzvdk+kksaluA0hhj H52U0prJY+f+CP/v6EjsCa/s8/aICqVU0Zm5K0g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzbd0do8F0LZFETTU/rto0wxzovDUfeeeK94+A2ocFS2s8IHvEpf49fdWzc3G9V8qnMDvCrv02oee8/Ob9o9Q4= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:91d2:: with SMTP id t201mr5058448vkd.81.1561795461938; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 01:04:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <26422_1560761590_5D0754F6_26422_456_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C2551F0@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <26422_1560761590_5D0754F6_26422_456_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF924C2551F0@OPEXCAUBMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Anoop Ghanwani Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 01:04:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: stephane.litkowski@orange.com Cc: "bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="000000000000b9492a058c71d74c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:04:26 -0000 --000000000000b9492a058c71d74c Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b94927058c71d74b" --000000000000b94927058c71d74b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I support the publication of the document as an RFC. I have several editorial comments and I'll send them in a Word document markup to the authors. If the mailing list accepts attachments, I'd be happy to post it here as well. Thanks, Anoop On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 1:53 AM wrote: > Hello Working Group, > > > > This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. > > > > This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. 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I support the publication of the document as an RFC.
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I have several editorial comments and I'll send them in a= Word document markup to the authors.

If the maili= ng list accepts attachments, I'd be happy to post it here as well.

Thanks,
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Hello Working Group,<= u>

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This poll runs until = *the 28th of June*.

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We are also polling f= or knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensur= e that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3= 979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as = an Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email an= d indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. Th= e Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contributors.

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We have several IPRs = already disclosed.

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If you are not listed= as an Author or a Contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you = are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IE= TF rules.

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We are also polling f= or any existing implementation as per [2].

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Thank you,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 St= ephane & Matthew

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(mankamis)" Cc: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" , "bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="000000000000ba1e31058c8d837a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:05:16 -0000 --000000000000ba1e31058c8d837a Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ba1e30058c8d8379" --000000000000ba1e30058c8d8379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Mankamana, I sent the doc to the authors, and I have put a pdf version here: https://anoop.updog.co/ietf/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-AG.pdf Thanks, Anoop On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 6:12 AM Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) < mankamis@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Anoop, > > Please send it across. We are going to make changes about editorial > comment right after WGLC and post updated version. > > > > Thanks > > Mankamana > > > > > > *From: *Anoop Ghanwani > *Date: *Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 1:04 AM > *To: *"stephane.litkowski@orange.com" > *Cc: *"bess@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" < > bess-chairs@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy > *Resent-From: * > *Resent-To: *, , < > mankamis@cisco.com> > *Resent-Date: *Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 1:04 AM > > > > I support the publication of the document as an RFC. > > > > I have several editorial comments and I'll send them in a Word document > markup to the authors. > > > > If the mailing list accepts attachments, I'd be happy to post it here as > well. > > > > Thanks, > > Anoop > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 1:53 AM wrote: > > Hello Working Group, > > > > This email starts a three weeks Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1]. > > > > This poll runs until *the 28th of June*. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from > all the Authors and Contributors. > > > > We have several IPRs already disclosed. > > > > If you are not listed as an Author or a Contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [2]. > > > > Thank you, > > Stephane & Matthew > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/ > > [2] > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw > > > > > > > > [image: Orange logo] > > > > *Stephane Litkowski * > Network Architect > Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET > > Orange Expert Future Networks > > phone: +33 2 23 *06* 49 83 > > NEW ! > mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 > > NEW ! > stephane.litkowski@orange.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Mankamana,

I sent the doc to the aut= hors, and I have put a pdf version here:
Thanks,
Anoop

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 6:12 AM M= ankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankam= is@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Anoop,

Please send it across. We are going to make changes = about editorial comment right after WGLC and post updated version.

=C2=A0

Thanks

Mankamana

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.= edu>
Date: Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 1:04 AM
To: "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" <stephane.litkowski@orange.com<= /a>>
Cc: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf= -bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>, <stephane.litkowski@orange.com>,= <mankamis@cisco= .com>
Resent-Date: Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 1:04 AM=

=C2=A0

I support the publicatio= n of the document as an RFC.

=C2=A0

I have several editorial= comments and I'll send them in a Word document markup to the authors.<= u>

=C2=A0

If the mailing list acce= pts attachments, I'd be happy to post it here as well.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Anoop

=C2=A0

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at = 1:53 AM <stephane.litkowski@orange.com> wrote:

Hello Working Group,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

This email starts a three weeks Working G= roup Last Call on =C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy [1].

=C2=A0

This poll runs until *the 28th of June*.<= u>

=C2=A0

We are also polling for knowledge of any = undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been = disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contr= ibutor of this Document please respond to this email and indicate whether o= r not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contributors.<= u>

=C2=A0

We have several IPRs already disclosed.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an Author or a C= ontributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR= that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<= /u>

=C2=A0

We are also polling for any existing impl= ementation as per [2].

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thank you,=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Stephane & Matthew=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy/

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<= u>

=C2=A0

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Thread-Index: AdUv2H24NOVVHl9xQsCfz4sb4tmW4A== Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 06:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.172] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ed17722cfcc5422cb3a37c636fe968aahuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] [Mail regarding rfc7432]Could you clarify which IP address we use to construct P2P tunnel for ingress replication. X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 06:45:47 -0000 --_000_ed17722cfcc5422cb3a37c636fe968aahuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, In the charpter 11.2 of RFC 7432: 11.2. P-Tunnel Identification "...+ If the PE that originates the advertisement uses ingress replication for the P-tunnel for EVPN, the route MUST include the PMSI Tunnel attribute with the Tunnel Type set to Ingress Replication and the Tunnel Identifier set to a routable address of the PE." a routable address of the PE is not so strict. And does this mean we use the Tunnel Identifier to construct P2P tunnel for ingress replication, or we use the Originating Router's IP Address in the IMET route key, or they are equivalent meaning? And I see it use the BGP Next hop to construct P2P tunnel for BUM ingress relication in RFC8365, Should Originating Router's IP Address, the IP address of BGP Next hop, Tunnel Identifier in PMSI, be the same IP address? Now, this may cause interact problems when it implements differently. Could you clarify this? Thanks. Brgds, Yang Huang --_000_ed17722cfcc5422cb3a37c636fe968aahuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

In the charpter 11.2 of RFC 743= 2:

 

11.2.  P-Tunnel Identifica= tion

"...+ If the PE that o= riginates the advertisement uses ingress

replication for the P-tunnel fo= r EVPN, the route MUST include the

PMSI Tunnel attribute with the = Tunnel Type set to Ingress

Replication and the Tunnel Iden= tifier set to a routable address of

the PE."=

 

a routable address of the PE is= not so strict. And does this mean

we use the Tunnel Identifier to= construct P2P tunnel for ingress

replication, or we use the Orig= inating Router's IP Address in the

IMET route key, or they are equ= ivalent meaning?

 

And I see it use the BGP Next h= op to construct P2P tunnel for BUM

ingress relication in RFC8365, = Should Originating Router’s IP Address,

the IP address of BGP Next hop,= Tunnel Identifier in PMSI, be the same

IP address?

 

Now, this may cause interact pr= oblems when it implements differently.

Could you clarify this? Thanks.=

 

Brgds,

 

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