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From: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang@juniper.net>
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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Multicast VPN fast upstream failover
        Authors         : Thomas Morin
                          Robert Kebler
                          Greg Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-09.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2020-02-01

Abstract:
   This document defines multicast VPN extensions and procedures that
   allow fast failover for upstream failures, by allowing downstream PEs
   to take into account the status of Provider-Tunnels (P-tunnels) when
   selecting the upstream PE for a VPN multicast flow, and extending BGP
   MVPN routing so that a C-multicast route can be advertised toward a
   standby upstream PE.



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From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 13:19:09 -0800
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Hi Jeffrey,
tons of thanks for your help and patience.

Regards,
Greg

On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 12:04 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net=
>
wrote:

> Right =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2020 4:41 PM
> *To:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> *Cc:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; bess-chairs@ietf.org; BESS <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] Shepherd's review of
> draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> my apologies, I misunderstood your proposed change. Should it be the
> following change:
>
> OLD TEXT
>
> The downstream PE can immediately update its UMH
>  when the reachability condition changes.
>
> NEW TEXT
>
> As a result, the downstream PE can immediately update its UMH
> when the reachability condition changes.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <
> zzhang@juniper.net> wrote:
>
> In 3.1.4 you missed =E2=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> *From:* BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Greg Mirsky
> *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2020 3:55 PM
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; bess-chairs@ietf.org;
> BESS <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] Shepherd's review of
> draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> many thanks for your suggestions. I've updated the document accordingly. =
I
> much appreciate you checking that changes are in the right places. I'll
> upload the new version ones you approve the changes.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I=E2=80=99m fine with the proposal
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> *Sent:* vendredi 31 janvier 2020 20:44
> *To:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>; slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Greg, Stephane,
>
>
>
> The first MAY should actually be a SHOULD; for the second MAY, it actuall=
y
> can go back to =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. The =E2=80=9Cin this c=
ase=E2=80=9D
> sentence is more about the result, not the action to take. Perhaps also
> change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D in=
 both sections?
>
>
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:41 PM
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.ne=
t
> >
> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> happy New Years (the Spring Festival is just upon us) and best wishes.
>
> Stephane suggested to ask you another, hopefully quick, review of the par=
t
> of this draft. Please see our discussion copied below:
>
> Section 3.1.4:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
> GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
>    A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
>
> [SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, h=
owever the second
> =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?
>
> GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be
> updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some
> scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it
> might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the
> option to delay the update?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough
> expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just want
> the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
> What do you think of the use of the normative language in the newly
> updated text?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> More inline,
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* mercredi 4 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 23:22
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Stephane,
>
> thank you for the review and your thoughtful comments. Please find my
> answers and notes in-lined under GIM>> tag.
>
> Attached, please find the diff and copy of the working version.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Please find below my review of the document.
>
>
>
> Nits:
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.1:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
>
>
> GIM2>> My apologies, I've pasted the same text twice. I propose to remove
> "may be omitted" altogether. Hence the updated text:
>
>    If BGP next-hop tracking is done for VPN routes and the root address
>    of a given tunnel happens to be the same as the next-hop address in
>    the BGP auto-discovery route advertising the tunnel, then the use of
> this
>
>    mechanism for the tunnel will not bring any specific benefit.
>
> Do you see this version without any normative language as acceptable?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Looks good thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.2:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
>
>
> =E2=80=9CThis method should not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=E2=80=99t this b=
e a normative statement ?
>
> GIM>> Would the following modification of the text be acceptable:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    This method should not be used when there is a fast restoration
>    mechanism (such as MPLS FRR [RFC4090]) in place for the link.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>     Using this method when a fast restoration mechanism (such as MPLS FRR
>    [RFC4090]) is in place for the link requires careful consideration
>    and coordination of defect detection intervals for the link and the
>    tunnel.  In many cases, it is not practical to use both methods at
>    the same time.
>
>
>
> [SLI] Are we strongly disencouraging the practice ? if yes, =E2=80=9Cit i=
s not
> practical=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99m wondering if =E2=80=9Ci=
s NOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D could
> be a good wording. But it is up to you.
>
> GIM2>> The use of OAM in multi-layer fashion is a question I'd be
> interested to discuss. But I feel that it deserves a separate document an=
d
> would prefer to leave the text as a note of caution for now.
>
>
>
> [SLI] Ok
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.4:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
> GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
>    A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
>
> [SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, h=
owever the second
> =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?
>
> GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be
> updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some
> scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it
> might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the
> option to delay the update?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough
> expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just want
> the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.6:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
> GIM>> Sub-sections of 3.1..6 define the use of RFC 8562 and the new
> attribute. In the introduction to these sub-sections, I propose s/can/MAY=
/
>
>
> >From a wider perspective, do you foresee other use case of signaling BFD
> information in BGP ? I=E2=80=99m just wondering if we may need something
> extensible for future use or not.
>
> GIM>> Great question. BGP, and I'm speculating here, may be used to for
> other BFD-related scenarios. I think that we may use the Flags field.
> [SLI] Is it enough or should you add some optional TLVs behind the
> discriminator ? (with nothing defined yet).
>
> GIM2>> Great idea, thank you! Please see the updated figure and the text:
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                         Reserved  TLV                         |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>                  Format of the BFD Discriminator Attribute
>
>    Where:
>
>       BFD Mode is the one octet long field.  This specification defines
>       the P2MP value (TBA3) Section 7.1.
>
>       Reserved field is three octets long and the value MUST be zeroed
>       on transmission and ignored on receipt.
>
>       BFD Discriminator is four octets long field.
>
>       Reserved TLV field is four octets long.  It MAY be used for future
>       extensions of the BFD Discriminator Attribute using Type-Length-
>       Value format.  This specification defines that the value in
>       Reserved TLV field MUST be zeroed on transmission and ignored on
>
>       receipt.
>
>
>
> [SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not extensible, I was thinking
> of options encoded as TLVs.
>
> If there is no TLV, the attribute ends on BFD discriminator, the attribut=
e
> length should tell if there are TLVs or not.
>
>
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                         optional TLVs                         |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
> Another point I have missed, you should define error handling procedures
> for your attribute as per RFC7606.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeffrey,<div>tons of thanks for your help and patience.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 =
at 12:04 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.ne=
t">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-2914747486738153058WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Right <span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoj=
i&quot;,sans-serif">
=F0=9F=98=8A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregi=
mirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 31, 2020 4:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net=
" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sli=
tkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org=
" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fa=
st-failover<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Jeffrey,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">my apologies, I misunderstood your proposed change. =
Should it be the following change:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OLD TEXT<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The downstream PE can immediately update its UMH<br>
=C2=A0when the reachability condition changes.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">NEW TEXT<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As a result, the downstream PE can immediately updat=
e its UMH<br>
when the reachability condition changes.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you for your help.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greg<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zh=
ang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juni=
per.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In 3.1.4 you missed =E2=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D.<u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces=
@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Mirsky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 31, 2020 3:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sli=
tkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net=
" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.=
org</a>; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fa=
st-failover<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Jeffrey,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">many thanks for your suggestions. I&#39;ve updated t=
he document accordingly. I much appreciate you checking that changes are in=
 the right places. I&#39;ll upload the new version ones you
 approve the changes.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greg<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m fine with the proposal<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> vendredi 31 janvier 2020 20:44<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@=
gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess=
@ietf.org</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.=
org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-fail=
over<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Greg, Stephane,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The first MAY should actually be a SHOULD; for the s=
econd MAY, it actually can go back to =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D.<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. T=
he =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D sentence is more about the result, not th=
e action to take. Perhaps also change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D to =E2=
=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D
 in both sections?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeffrey<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregi=
mirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sli=
tkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzh=
ang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess=
@ietf.org</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.=
org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-fail=
over<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Jeffrey,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">happy New Years (the Spring Festival is just upon us=
) and best wishes.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stephane suggested to ask you another, hopefully qui=
ck, review of the part of this draft. Please see our discussion copied belo=
w:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">Section 3.1.4:<br=
>
<br>
As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language i=
n the expected behavior description ?<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Updating to the normative language as follows:</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">OLD TEXT:</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE=
 can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is le=
af<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the pro=
tocol<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot =
be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream PE can immediately u=
pdate its<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability condition changes.</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">NEW TEXT:</span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE=
 MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is lea=
f-<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the pro=
tocol<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot =
be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately u=
pdate its<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability condition changes.<br>
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">[SLI] I understan=
d the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, however the second =
=E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">GIM2&gt;&gt;=C2=
=A0 Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be updated=
 once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some scenarios,
 such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it might be bett=
er to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the option to delay t=
he update?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this poi=
nt ? I=E2=80=99m not enough expert here to tell what may be the best option=
. On my side, I just want the text to be clear=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot=
;,sans-serif">What do you think of the use of the normative language in the=
 newly updated text?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot=
;,sans-serif">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot=
;,sans-serif">Greg</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Hi Greg,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">More inline,</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregi=
mirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mercredi 4 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 23:22<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sli=
tkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.=
org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-fail=
over<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Hi Stephane,</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">thank you for the review and your =
thoughtful=C2=A0comments. Please find my answers and notes in-lined under G=
IM&gt;&gt; tag.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Attached, please find the diff and=
 copy of the working version.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Greg</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Hi,<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
Please find below my review of the document.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
</span>Nits:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
<br>
Section 3.1.1: <br>
<br>
As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language i=
n the expected behavior description ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:11.3pt">
<span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM2&gt;&gt; My apologies, I&#39;ve pasted the same =
text twice.
<span lang=3D"FR">I propose to remove &quot;may be omitted&quot; altogether=
. Hence the updated text:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0 =C2=A0If BGP next-hop track=
ing is done for VPN routes and the root address<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of a given tunnel happens to be the same as the next-hop addre=
ss in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the BGP auto-discovery route advertising the tunnel, then the =
use of this</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanism for the tun=
nel will not bring any specific benefit.=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Do you see this version without an=
y normative language as acceptable?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">[SLI] Looks good thanks</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Section 3.1.2:<br>
<br>
As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language i=
n the expected behavior description ?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0<br>
<br>
<span lang=3D"FR">=E2=80=9CThis method should not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=
=E2=80=99t this be a normative statement ?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">GIM&gt;&gt; Would the following mo=
dification of the text be acceptable:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">OLD TEXT:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0 =C2=A0This method should no=
t be used when there is a fast restoration<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanism (such as MPLS FRR [RFC4090]) in place for the link.<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">NEW TEXT:<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Using this method when a fast restoration mechanism (suc=
h as MPLS FRR<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC4090]) is in place for the link requires careful considera=
tion<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and coordination of defect detection intervals for the link an=
d the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0tunnel.=C2=A0 In many cases, it is not practical to use both m=
ethods at<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the same time.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] Are we strongly disencouraging the practice ? =
if yes, =E2=80=9Cit is not practical=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99=
m wondering if =E2=80=9Cis NOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D could be a good wording=
. But it is up
 to you.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">GIM2&gt;&gt; The use of OAM in mul=
ti-layer fashion is a question I&#39;d be interested to discuss. But I feel=
 that it deserves a separate document and would prefer to leave
 the text as a note of caution for now.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">[SLI] Ok</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
Section 3.1.4:<br>
<br>
As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language i=
n the expected behavior description ?<br>
<span lang=3D"FR">GIM&gt;&gt; Updating to the normative language as follows=
:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">OLD TEXT:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE can be removed f=
rom the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is le=
af<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the pro=
tocol<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot =
be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream PE can immediately u=
pdate its<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability condition changes.</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">NEW TEXT:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE MAY be removed f=
rom the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is lea=
f-<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the pro=
tocol<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot =
be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately u=
pdate its<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability condition changes.<br>
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D a=
s optional feature, however the second =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=
=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">GIM2&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 Thank you for t=
he clarification. The UMH list will certainly be updated once the reachabil=
ity of the downstream PE changes. In some scenarios, such an update
 may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it might be better to delay it.=
 Would you suggest adding a note about the option to delay the update?</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this poi=
nt ? I=E2=80=99m not enough expert here to tell what may be the best option=
. On my side, I just want the text to be clear
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=
=8A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
=C2=A0<br>
Section 3.1.6:<br>
<br>
As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language i=
n the expected behavior description ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang=3D"FR">GIM&g=
t;&gt; Sub-sections of 3.1..6 define the use of RFC 8562 and the new attrib=
ute. In the introduction to these sub-sections, I propose s/can/MAY/</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
&gt;From a wider perspective, do you foresee other use case of signaling BF=
D information in BGP ?
<span lang=3D"FR">I=E2=80=99m just wondering if we may need something exten=
sible for future use or not.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">GIM&gt;&gt; Great question. BGP, a=
nd I&#39;m speculating here, may be used to for other BFD-related scenarios=
.
</span>I think that we may use the Flags field.<br>
[SLI] Is it enough or should you add some optional TLVs behind the discrimi=
nator ? (with nothing defined yet).<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">GIM2&gt;&gt; Great idea, thank you=
! Please see the updated figure and the text:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 =
4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0BFD Mode =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Discriminator =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved =C2=A0TLV =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Format of the=
 BFD Discriminator Attribute<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Where:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Mode is the one octet long field.=C2=A0 This speci=
fication defines<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the P2MP value (TBA3) Section 7.1.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved field is three octets long and the value MUST=
 be zeroed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 on transmission and ignored on receipt.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Discriminator is four octets long field.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved TLV field is four octets long.=C2=A0 It MAY b=
e used for future<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 extensions of the BFD Discriminator Attribute using Ty=
pe-Length-<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Value format.=C2=A0 This specification defines that th=
e value in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved TLV field MUST be zeroed on transmission and =
ignored on</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 receipt.</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not exten=
sible, I was thinking of options encoded as TLVs.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If there is no TLV, the attribute ends on BFD discri=
minator, the attribute length should tell if there are TLVs or not.<u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 =
4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0BFD Mode =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Discriminator =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 optional TLVs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Another point I have missed, you should define error=
 handling procedures for your attribute as per RFC7606.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:11.3pt">
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0i=
n 5pt 4.8pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
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Hi Stephane,
thank you for your comments, suggestions, and guidance. The new version
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-0=
9>
has been uploaded. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to make
the next step in progressing the draft.

Regards,
Greg

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m fine with the proposal
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> *Sent:* vendredi 31 janvier 2020 20:44
> *To:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>; slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Greg, Stephane,
>
>
>
> The first MAY should actually be a SHOULD; for the second MAY, it actuall=
y
> can go back to =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. The =E2=80=9Cin this c=
ase=E2=80=9D
> sentence is more about the result, not the action to take. Perhaps also
> change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D in=
 both sections?
>
>
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:41 PM
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.ne=
t
> >
> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> happy New Years (the Spring Festival is just upon us) and best wishes.
>
> Stephane suggested to ask you another, hopefully quick, review of the par=
t
> of this draft. Please see our discussion copied below:
>
> Section 3.1.4:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
> GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
>    A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
>
> [SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, h=
owever the second
> =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?
>
> GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be
> updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some
> scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it
> might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the
> option to delay the update?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough
> expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just want
> the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
> What do you think of the use of the normative language in the newly
> updated text?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> More inline,
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* mercredi 4 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 23:22
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Stephane,
>
> thank you for the review and your thoughtful comments. Please find my
> answers and notes in-lined under GIM>> tag.
>
> Attached, please find the diff and copy of the working version.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Please find below my review of the document.
>
>
>
> Nits:
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.1:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
>
>
> GIM2>> My apologies, I've pasted the same text twice. I propose to remove
> "may be omitted" altogether. Hence the updated text:
>
>    If BGP next-hop tracking is done for VPN routes and the root address
>    of a given tunnel happens to be the same as the next-hop address in
>    the BGP auto-discovery route advertising the tunnel, then the use of
> this
>
>    mechanism for the tunnel will not bring any specific benefit.
>
> Do you see this version without any normative language as acceptable?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Looks good thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.2:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
>
>
> =E2=80=9CThis method should not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=E2=80=99t this b=
e a normative statement ?
>
> GIM>> Would the following modification of the text be acceptable:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    This method should not be used when there is a fast restoration
>    mechanism (such as MPLS FRR [RFC4090]) in place for the link.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>     Using this method when a fast restoration mechanism (such as MPLS FRR
>    [RFC4090]) is in place for the link requires careful consideration
>    and coordination of defect detection intervals for the link and the
>    tunnel.  In many cases, it is not practical to use both methods at
>    the same time.
>
>
>
> [SLI] Are we strongly disencouraging the practice ? if yes, =E2=80=9Cit i=
s not
> practical=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99m wondering if =E2=80=9Ci=
s NOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D could
> be a good wording. But it is up to you.
>
> GIM2>> The use of OAM in multi-layer fashion is a question I'd be
> interested to discuss. But I feel that it deserves a separate document an=
d
> would prefer to leave the text as a note of caution for now.
>
>
>
> [SLI] Ok
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.4:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
> GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
>    A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
>
> [SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, h=
owever the second
> =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?
>
> GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be
> updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some
> scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it
> might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the
> option to delay the update?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough
> expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just want
> the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.6:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
> GIM>> Sub-sections of 3.1.6 define the use of RFC 8562 and the new
> attribute. In the introduction to these sub-sections, I propose s/can/MAY=
/
>
>
> >From a wider perspective, do you foresee other use case of signaling BFD
> information in BGP ? I=E2=80=99m just wondering if we may need something
> extensible for future use or not.
>
> GIM>> Great question. BGP, and I'm speculating here, may be used to for
> other BFD-related scenarios. I think that we may use the Flags field.
> [SLI] Is it enough or should you add some optional TLVs behind the
> discriminator ? (with nothing defined yet).
>
> GIM2>> Great idea, thank you! Please see the updated figure and the text:
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                         Reserved  TLV                         |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>                  Format of the BFD Discriminator Attribute
>
>    Where:
>
>       BFD Mode is the one octet long field.  This specification defines
>       the P2MP value (TBA3) Section 7.1.
>
>       Reserved field is three octets long and the value MUST be zeroed
>       on transmission and ignored on receipt.
>
>       BFD Discriminator is four octets long field.
>
>       Reserved TLV field is four octets long.  It MAY be used for future
>       extensions of the BFD Discriminator Attribute using Type-Length-
>       Value format.  This specification defines that the value in
>       Reserved TLV field MUST be zeroed on transmission and ignored on
>
>       receipt.
>
>
>
> [SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not extensible, I was thinking
> of options encoded as TLVs.
>
> If there is no TLV, the attribute ends on BFD discriminator, the attribut=
e
> length should tell if there are TLVs or not.
>
>
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                         optional TLVs                         |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
> Another point I have missed, you should define error handling procedures
> for your attribute as per RFC7606.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Stephane,<div>thank you for your comments, suggestions,=
 and guidance. The <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-i=
etf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-09">new version</a> has been uploaded. Please l=
et me know if there&#39;s anything I can do to make the next step in progre=
ssing the draft.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On F=
ri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com"=
>slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"FR"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-26063539339=
09466741WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=80=
=99m fine with the proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"bord=
er-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(=
225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>=
&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> vendredi 31 janvier 2020 20:44<br><b>To:</b> Greg Mir=
sky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimir=
sky@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailt=
o:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Su=
bject:</b> RE: Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover<=
u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Greg, Stephane,<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The first =
MAY should actually be a SHOULD; for the second MAY, it actually can go bac=
k to =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. The=
 =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D sentence is more about the result, not the =
action to take. Perhaps also change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D to =E2=
=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D in both sections?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jeffrey<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US"> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 22, =
2020 3:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&g=
t;<br><b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"=
_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Shepherd&#39;s revi=
ew of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Jeffrey,<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">happy New Years (the Spr=
ing Festival is just upon us) and best wishes.<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stephane suggested to as=
k you another, hopefully quick, review of the part of this draft. Please se=
e our discussion copied below:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><blockquo=
te style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-lef=
t:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8=
pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">Section 3.1.4:<br><br>As the document is standard t=
rack, could you introduce normative language in the expected behavior descr=
iption ?<br>GIM&gt;&gt; Updating to the normative language as follows:<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">OLD TEXT:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,=
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) i=
s leaf<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal =
to the protocol<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel f=
rom P to PE cannot be<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downst=
ream PE can immediately update its<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachabilit=
y condition changes.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">NEW TEXT:<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candi=
date list for a given (C-S,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or=
 S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), bu=
t for some reason internal to the protocol<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one=
-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=
=A0 In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its<br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0UMH when the reachability condition changes.<br>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80=
,0,80)">[SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feat=
ure, however the second =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=
=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb=
(80,0,80)">GIM2&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list=
 will certainly be updated once the reachability of the downstream PE chang=
es. In some scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in =
some, it might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about=
 the option to delay the update?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] Could you chec=
k with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not enough expert here to =
tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just want the text to be cl=
ear=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Em=
oji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">What do you think of the use of th=
e normative language in the newly updated text?</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">Best regards,</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=
Greg</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>=
<div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 a=
t 5:59 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><block=
quote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-=
left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt =
4.8pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Greg,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">More inline,<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><blockquote style=3D"border-t=
op:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> mercredi 4 d=C3=A9cembre=
 2019 23:22<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ie=
tf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:bess-cha=
irs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b>=
 RE: Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Stephane,<u></u><u></u></p><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">thank you for the review and your thoughtful=C2=A0=
comments. Please find my answers and notes in-lined under GIM&gt;&gt; tag.<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Attached, please find th=
e diff and copy of the working version.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">R=
egards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Greg<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<br><br>=C2=A0<br><br>Please find below my review=
 of the document.<br><br>=C2=A0<br><br><span lang=3D"EN-US">Nits:<br><br>=
=C2=A0<br><br><br>Section 3.1.1: <br><br>As the document is standard track,=
 could you introduce normative language in the expected behavior descriptio=
n ?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in-bottom:12pt;margin-left:11.3pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">GIM2&=
gt;&gt; My apologies, I&#39;ve pasted the same text twice. </span>I propose=
 to remove &quot;may be omitted&quot; altogether. Hence the updated text:<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0If BGP next-hop t=
racking is done for VPN routes and the root address<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0of a gi=
ven tunnel happens to be the same as the next-hop address in<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0the BGP auto-discovery route advertising the tunnel, then the use of thi=
s<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanism for t=
he tunnel will not bring any specific benefit.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you see this version without any normative =
language as acceptable?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] Looks good thanks<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D=
"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>Section 3.1.2:=
<br><br>As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative la=
nguage in the expected behavior description ?<br><br>=C2=A0<br><br></span>=
=E2=80=9CThis method should not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=E2=80=99t this be =
a normative statement ?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt=
;&gt; Would the following modification of the text be acceptable:<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">OLD TEXT:<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0This method should not be used whe=
n there is a fast restoration<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanism (such as MPLS FRR [=
RFC4090]) in place for the link.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">NEW TEXT:<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Using this method when a fast rest=
oration mechanism (such as MPLS FRR<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC4090]) is in place =
for the link requires careful consideration<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0and coordinatio=
n of defect detection intervals for the link and the<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0tunnel=
.=C2=A0 In many cases, it is not practical to use both methods at<br>=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0the same time.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] Are we s=
trongly disencouraging the practice ? if yes, =E2=80=9Cit is not practical=
=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99m wondering if =E2=80=9Cis NOT RECOM=
MENDED=E2=80=9D could be a good wording. But it is up to you.</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>GIM2&gt;&gt; The use of OAM in multi-layer fashion is a question I&#39;d b=
e interested to discuss. But I feel that it deserves a separate document an=
d would prefer to leave the text as a note of caution for now.<u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
[SLI] Ok<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border=
-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br><br>Section 3.1.4:<br><br>As the do=
cument is standard track, could you introduce normative language in the exp=
ected behavior description ?<br></span>GIM&gt;&gt; Updating to the normativ=
e language as follows:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">O=
LD TEXT:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A =
PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the pro=
tocol<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to P=
E cannot be<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream PE ca=
n immediately update its<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability conditio=
n changes.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">NEW TEXT:<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE MAY be re=
moved from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if=
 the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0t=
riggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol<br>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be<=
br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediatel=
y update its<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability condition changes.<b=
r>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI]=
 I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, however =
the second =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Th=
oughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM2&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 Thank you for the clarification. T=
he UMH list will certainly be updated once the reachability of the downstre=
am PE changes. In some scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., AS=
AP, but in some, it might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a=
 note about the option to delay the update?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just =
want the text to be clear </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p=
></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom=
:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin=
:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt=
">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><br>=C2=A0<br>Section 3.1.6:<br><br>As the document is standard track=
, could you introduce normative language in the expected behavior descripti=
on ?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12pt">GIM&gt;&gt; Sub-sections of 3.1.6 define the use of RFC 85=
62 and the new attribute. In the introduction to these sub-sections, I prop=
ose s/can/MAY/<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><br>&gt;From a wider perspective, do you foresee other use case=
 of signaling BFD information in BGP ? </span>I=E2=80=99m just wondering if=
 we may need something extensible for future use or not.<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Great question. BGP, and I&#39=
;m speculating here, may be used to for other BFD-related scenarios. <span =
lang=3D"EN-US">I think that we may use the Flags field.<br>[SLI] Is it enou=
gh or should you add some optional TLVs behind the discriminator ? (with no=
thing defined yet).</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></block=
quote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM2&gt;&gt; Great idea, thank you! Pleas=
e see the updated figure and the text:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 3<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7=
 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0BFD Mode =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Disc=
riminator =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved=
 =C2=A0TLV =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br><br><br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Format of the BFD Discriminator At=
tribute<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Where:<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Mode is =
the one octet long field.=C2=A0 This specification defines<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 the P2MP value (TBA3) Section 7.1.<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rese=
rved field is three octets long and the value MUST be zeroed<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 on transmission and ignored on receipt.<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 BFD Discriminator is four octets long field.<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 Reserved TLV field is four octets long.=C2=A0 It MAY be used for future=
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 extensions of the BFD Discriminator Attribute usin=
g Type-Length-<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Value format.=C2=A0 This specificati=
on defines that the value in<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved TLV field MUS=
T be zeroed on transmission and ignored on<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 receipt.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not extensible, I =
was thinking of options encoded as TLVs.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">If there is no TLV, the attribute ends =
on BFD discriminator, the attribute length should tell if there are TLVs or=
 not.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:12pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7=
 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0BFD Mode =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Discriminator =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 optional TLVs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Another point I have missed, y=
ou should define error handling procedures for your attribute as per RFC760=
6.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;bord=
er-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:11.3pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style=
=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div=
><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US"><br>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br><br>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><=
/div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></=
div></div></blockquote></div>

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Basil,

Thank you very much for the comments.
Your suggested wording change will be incorporated in the next revision.

As for your suggestion of Segment and Segment ID of a SDWAN node (to be inc=
luded in the BGP UPDATE), does the "Segment" mean the different Underlay?
In the figure below, C-PE1 has 3 WAN ports: 2 to MPLS network and 1 to Publ=
ic Internet.
Do you mean C-PE1 has 3 WAN "segments"?
If not, can you elaborate more?

[cid:image002.png@01D5DA75.D86A6DA0]


Thanks, Linda

From: Najem, Basil <basil.najem@bell.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2020 5:48 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; bess@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage@ietf.org
Subject: RE: solicit feedback on draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage descript=
ion of using BGP UPDATE messages to achieve SD-WAN Application Based Segmen=
tation


Hello Linda;

I haven't gone through the entire document; however, I have the following q=
uick comments


  1.  Regarding the following paragraph:


  1.  Augment of transport, which refers to utilizing overlay paths over di=
fferent underlay networks. Very often there are multiple parallel overlay p=
aths between any two SDWAN edges, some of which are private networks over w=
hich traffic can traverse without encryption, others require encryption, e.=
g. over untrusted public networks.

The traffic that traverses the privet networks can be either encrypted or u=
necrypted (in other words, the assumption that the traffic is NOT encrypted=
 is not always correct). I would change the parpagaph to the following (for=
 clarity):


  1.  Augment of transport, which refers to utilizing overlay paths over di=
fferent underlay networks. Very often there are multiple parallel overlay p=
aths between any two SDWAN edges, some of which are private networks over w=
hich traffic can traverse with or without encryption, others require encryp=
tion, e.g. over untrusted public networks.



  1.  Another thing that we need to discuss is the Segment ID; each Segment=
 (at the SD-WAN Edge) MUST have an ID. The SD-WAN Policy will map the Appli=
cation Flow to the Segment. Since the Segment is a "routing domain", the BG=
P update will be exchanged with the memebers of a particular Segment.



As such: Should we include the Segment ID as an attribute in the BGP update=
 messages? Perhaps we need to further discuss this in details.

Any feedback is welcomed and it's highly appreciated.

Regards;

Basil


From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com<mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewe=
i.com>>
Sent: January-31-20 5:17 PM
To: bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage@ietf.org<mailto:draft-dunbar-bess-bgp=
-sdwan-usage@ietf.org>
Subject: [EXT]solicit feedback on draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage descrip=
tion of using BGP UPDATE messages to achieve SD-WAN Application Based Segme=
ntation

BESS participants:

"SDWAN" networks is characterized by:

  1.  Augment of transport, which refers to utilizing overlay paths over di=
fferent underlay networks. Very often there are multiple parallel overlay p=
aths between any two SDWAN edges, some of which are private networks over w=
hich traffic can traverse without encryption, others require encryption, e.=
g. over untrusted public networks.
  2.  Enable direct Internet access from remote sites, instead hauling all =
traffic to Corporate HQ for centralized policy control.
  3.  Some traffic are routed based on application IDs instead of based on =
destination IP addresses.


https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage/<https:/=
/nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ie=
tf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage%2F&data=3D02%7C01%7Clinda.=
dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C1f725814c8924c2e4d6c08d7a83a7306%7C0fee8ff2a3b2401=
89c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637162841310506376&sdata=3DZ5wrL%2BhyBnovmn7ojk=
Mq6x0TaEJrzhbnPb6PEP2wYB4%3D&reserved=3D0> describes examples of using BGP =
UPDATE messages to achieve the SDWAN Application Based Segmentation,  assum=
ing that the applications are assigned with unique IP addresses.
In the Figure below, the following BGP Updates can be advertised to ensure =
that Payment Application only communicates with the Payment Gateway:

[cid:image001.png@01D5DA73.0566B910]

BGP UPDATE #1 from C-PE2 to RR for the RED P2P topology (only propagated to=
 Payment GW node:

-        MP-NLRI Path Attribute:

        *   30.1.1.x/24

-        Tunnel Encap Path Attribute

        *   IPsec Attributes for PaymentGW ->C-PE2


BGP UPDATE #2 from C-PE2 to RR for the routes to be reached by Purple:

-        MP-NLRI Path Attribute:

        *   10.1.x.x
        *   12.4.x.x

-        TunnelEncap Path Attribute:

        *   Any node to C-PE2


Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Linda Dunbar
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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Basil, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you very much for the comments. <o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your suggested wording change will be incorporated i=
n the next revision.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As for your suggestion of Segment and Segment ID of =
a SDWAN node (to be included in the BGP UPDATE), does the &#8220;Segment&#8=
221; mean the different Underlay?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the figure below, C-PE1 has 3 WAN ports: 2 to MPL=
S network and 1 to Public Internet.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you mean C-PE1 has 3 WAN &#8220;segments&#8221;? =
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If not, can you elaborate more? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img width=3D"390" height=3D"305" style=3D"width:4.0=
666in;height:3.175in" id=3D"_x0000_i1027" src=3D"cid:image002.png@01D5DA75.=
D86A6DA0"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Linda<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Najem, Basil &lt;basil.najem@bell.ca&gt=
; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 02, 2020 5:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;linda.dunbar@futurewei.com&gt;; bess@ietf.org<b=
r>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: solicit feedback on draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage d=
escription of using BGP UPDATE messages to achieve SD-WAN Application Based=
 Segmentation
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US">Hello Linda;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US">I haven&#8217;t gone through the entire document; howev=
er, I have the following quick comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"1" type=3D"A">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#1F497D;margin-left:0in;mso-l=
ist:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regarding the fol=
lowing paragraph:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:.25in;=
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Augment of transport, w=
hich refers to utilizing overlay paths over different underlay networks. Ve=
ry often there are multiple parallel overlay paths between any two SDWAN ed=
ges, some of which are private networks over
 which traffic can traverse without encryption, others require encryption, =
e.g. over untrusted public networks.
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The traffic =
that traverses the privet networks can be either encrypted or unecrypted (i=
n other words, the assumption that the traffic is
 NOT encrypted is not always correct). I would change the parpagaph to the =
following (for clarity):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:.25in;=
mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Augment of transport, w=
hich refers to utilizing overlay paths over different underlay networks. Ve=
ry often there are multiple parallel overlay paths between any two SDWAN ed=
ges, some of which are private networks over
 which traffic can traverse <span style=3D"color:red">with or </span>withou=
t encryption, others require encryption, e.g. over untrusted public network=
s.
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"2" type=3D"A">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#1F497D;margin-left:0in;mso-l=
ist:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">A=
nother thing that we need to discuss is the Segment ID; each Segment (at th=
e SD-WAN Edge) MUST have an ID. The SD-WAN Policy will map the Application =
Flow to the Segment. Since the Segment is a
 &#8220;routing domain&#8221;, the BGP update will be exchanged with the me=
mebers of a particular Segment.
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;background:yellow;mso-highlight:y=
ellow">As such: Should we include the Segment ID as an attribute in the BGP=
 update messages? Perhaps we need to further discuss
 this in details.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Any feedback is welcomed and it&#8217;s=
 highly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Basil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lind=
a.dunbar@futurewei.com">linda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January-31-20 5:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage@ietf.org">dr=
aft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXT]solicit feedback on draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage =
description of using BGP UPDATE messages to achieve SD-WAN Application Base=
d Segmentation
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">BESS participants:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">&#8220;SDWAN&#8221=
; networks is characterized by:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:.25in;=
mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Augment of transport, w=
hich refers to utilizing overlay paths over different underlay networks. Ve=
ry often there are multiple parallel overlay paths between any two SDWAN ed=
ges, some of which are private networks over
 which traffic can traverse without encryption, others require encryption, =
e.g. over untrusted public networks.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:=
auto;margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Enable direct Internet =
access from remote sites, instead hauling all traffic to Corporate HQ for c=
entralized policy control.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:=
auto;margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Some traffic are routed=
 based on application IDs instead of based on destination IP addresses.
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outloo=
k.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-dunbar-bess-b=
gp-sdwan-usage%2F&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C1f725=
814c8924c2e4d6c08d7a83a7306%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63=
7162841310506376&amp;sdata=3DZ5wrL%2BhyBnovmn7ojkMq6x0TaEJrzhbnPb6PEP2wYB4%=
3D&amp;reserved=3D0"><span style=3D"color:blue">https://datatracker.ietf.or=
g/doc/draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage/</span></a>
 describes examples of using BGP UPDATE messages to achieve the SDWAN Appli=
cation Based Segmentation, &nbsp;assuming that the applications are assigne=
d with unique IP addresses.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the Figure below, the following BGP Updates can b=
e advertised to ensure that Payment Application only communicates with the =
Payment Gateway:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"538" height=3D"218" style=
=3D"width:5.6in;height:2.275in" id=3D"Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:image001.=
png@01D5DA73.0566B910"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">BGP UPDATE #1 from C-PE2 to RR for the RED P2P topol=
ogy (only propagated to Payment GW node:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:62.65pt;mso-add-space=
:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
,serif"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">MP-NLRI Path Att=
ribute: </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo12">30.1=
.1.x/24<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:62.65pt;mso-add-space=
:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
,serif"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">Tunnel Encap Pat=
h Attribute</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo12">IPse=
c Attributes for PaymentGW -&gt;C-PE2<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:134.65pt;mso-add-spac=
e:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">BGP UPDATE #2 from C-PE2 to RR for the routes to be =
reached by Purple:<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:62.65pt;mso-add-space=
:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo12">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
,serif"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">MP-NLRI Path Att=
ribute:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level3 lfo12"><span style=3D"c=
olor:black">10.1.x.x</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"mso-list:l0 level3 lfo12"><span style=3D"color:black">12.4.x.x</span><o:p>=
</o:p></li></ul>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style=3D"margin-left:62.65pt;mso-add-space=
:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;=
,serif;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.=
0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:black">TunnelEncap Path=
 Attribute:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:black;mso-list:l3 level3 lfo10">Any =
node to C-PE2<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your feedback is greatly appreciated. <o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you very much. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Linda Dunbar<o:p></o:p></p>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
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Hi,

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This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for =
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Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group =
list.

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We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to =
this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with =
IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

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won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.

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This poll is now closed without any objection to progress.

However (expect if I have missed it), I haven't heard about any
implementation.

 

Is there any known implementation ? If NO, is the WG against progressing the
document without an implementation ?

 

Feedback required by the end of the week.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

From: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> 
Sent: vendredi 17 janvier 2020 09:56
To: bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: WGLC , IPR and implementation poll for
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 

 

Hi WG,

 

This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 [2]

 

Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please
indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.

 

This poll runs until Fri 31th January 2019.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from
all the Authors and Contributors. 

There is currently no IPR disclosed.  

We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please
indicate if you are aware of any implementations.

 Thank you,

Stephane

 

[1]
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw>
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw

[2]  <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb/>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb/


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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Please review =
the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please indicate =
if you support publishing the draft as a standards track =
RFC.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>This poll runs until Fri 31th January =
2019.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t0><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>We are also polling for =
knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to =
ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules =
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more =
details).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t0><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>If you are listed as an =
Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email =
and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed =
IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors =
and Contributors.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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t><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There is =
currently no IPR disclosed.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>We are also =
polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please indicate if =
you are aware of any implementations.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;Thank you,</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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t style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Stephane</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: =
normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'>[1]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdk=
jqDpw" target=3D"_blank"><span =
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Tqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</span></a></span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>[2] </span><a =
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lang=3DEN-GB>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequa=
l-lb/</span></a><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff
> =46rom: BESS <bess-bounces=40ietf.org> on behalf of =22slitkows.ietf=40=
gmail.com=22 <slitkows.ietf=40gmail.com>
> Date: =46riday, January 17, 2020 at 12:56 AM
> To: =22bess=40ietf.org=22 <bess=40ietf.org>, =22draft-ietf-bess-evpn-un=
equal-lb.authors=40ietf.org=22 <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors=40=
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> Cc: =22bess-chairs=40ietf.org=22 <bess-chairs=40ietf.org>
> Subject: =5Bbess=5D WGLC , IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-b=
ess-evpn-unequal-lb-03
>
> Hi WG,
>
> This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call=C2=A0on draft-iet=
f-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 =5B2=5D
>
> Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, p=
lease indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track R=
=46C.
>
> This poll runs until =46ri 31th January 2019.
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies t=
o this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with=
 IET=46 IPR rules (see R=46Cs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)=
.
> If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please=
 respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any r=
elevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from=
 all the Authors and Contributors.
> There is currently no IPR disclosed.
> We are also polling for any existing implementation as per =5B1=5D. Ple=
ase indicate if you are aware of any implementations.
> =C2=A0Thank you,
> Stephane
>
> =5B1=5D=C2=A0https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb=5FvPC=
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<div class=3D=22match=46ont=22>Cheers,
<div>Jeff</div>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><b><span style=3D=22color:black=22>=46rom:</sp=
an></b> <span style=3D=22color:black=22>BESS &lt;bess-bounces=40ietf.org&=
gt; on behalf of =22slitkows.ietf=40gmail.com=22 &lt;slitkows.ietf=40gmai=
l.com&gt;<br />
<b>Date:</b> =46riday, January 17, 2020 at 12:56 AM<br />
<b>To:</b> =22bess=40ietf.org=22 &lt;bess=40ietf.org&gt;, =22draft-ietf-b=
ess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors=40ietf.org=22 &lt;draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequa=
l-lb.authors=40ietf.org&gt;<br />
<b>Cc:</b> =22bess-chairs=40ietf.org=22 &lt;bess-chairs=40ietf.org&gt;<br=
 />
<b>Subject:</b> =5Bbess=5D WGLC , IPR and implementation poll for draft-i=
etf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03</span></p>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22font-size:11.0pt=22>&=23160;<=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22color:black=22>Hi WG,</span><=
/p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22color:black=22>&=23160;</span=
></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22color:black=22>This email sta=
rts a two weeks Working Group <span class=3D=22apple-converted-space=22>L=
ast Call&=23160;</span>on</span> <span lang=3D=22EN-GB=22 xml:lang=3D=22E=
N-GB=22>draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 =5B2=5D</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22color:black=22>&=23160;</span=
></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22color:black=22>Please review =
the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please indicate i=
f you support publishing the draft as a standards track R=46C.</span></p>=

<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D=22color:black=22>&=23160;</span=
></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-vari=
ant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text=
-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px=22><sp=
an style=3D=22color:black=22>This poll runs until =46ri 31th January 2019=
.</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-vari=
ant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text=
-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px=22><sp=
an style=3D=22color:black=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msopl=
aintext0=22><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt=22>We are also polling for =
knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure=
 that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IET=46 IPR rules (see R=46=
Cs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).</span></p>
<p class=3D=22gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msopl=
aintext0=22><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt=22>If you are listed as an =
Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and=
 indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. T=
he Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Contr=
ibutors.&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msopl=
aintext=22><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>There is curr=
ently no IPR disclosed.&=23160;&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msopl=
aintext=22><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>We are also p=
olling for any existing implementation as per =5B1=5D. Please indicate if=
 you are aware of any implementations.</span></p>
<p class=3D=22gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msopl=
aintext=22 style=3D=22caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal=
;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px=22><span style=3D=22fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>&=23160;Thank you,</span></p>
<p class=3D=22gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msopl=
aintext=22 style=3D=22caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal=
;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px=22><span style=3D=22fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>Stephane</span></p>
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ant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text=
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an style=3D=22color:black=22>&=23160;</span></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-vari=
ant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text=
-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px=22><sp=
an lang=3D=22EN-GB=22 style=3D=22color:black=22 xml:lang=3D=22EN-GB=22>=5B=
1=5D<span class=3D=22apple-converted-space=22>&=23160;</span></span><span=
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I decided to look at the draft and will send my mostly editorial comments
in a day or so.  Sorry for the delay.

But what I find really surprising is that the draft made it through WGLC
without IANA considerations or security considerations sections.  I thought
those were mandatory.  I haven't been to an IETF meeting in a while.  Has
something changed?

Anoop

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:54 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> This poll is now closed without any objection to progress.
>
> However (expect if I have missed it), I haven=E2=80=99t heard about any
> implementation.
>
>
>
> Is there any known implementation ? If NO, is the WG against progressing
> the document without an implementation ?
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>
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> Feedback required by the end of the week.
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> Thanks,
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>
> *From:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* vendredi 17 janvier 2020 09:56
> *To:* bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors@ietf.org
> *Cc:* bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* WGLC , IPR and implementation poll for
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> Hi WG,
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>
>
> This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-=
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> Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also,
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> RFC.
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>
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> This poll runs until Fri 31th January 2019.
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>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please
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> relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers fro=
m
> all the Authors and Contributors.
>
> There is currently no IPR disclosed.
>
> We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please
> indicate if you are aware of any implementations.
>
>  Thank you,
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> Stephane
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I decided to look at the draft and will s=
end my mostly editorial comments in a day or so.=C2=A0 Sorry for the delay.=
<div><br></div><div>But what I find really surprising is that the draft mad=
e it through WGLC without IANA considerations or security considerations se=
ctions.=C2=A0 I thought those were mandatory.=C2=A0 I haven&#39;t been to a=
n IETF meeting in a while.=C2=A0 Has something changed?<br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Anoop</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:54 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
litkows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"FR"><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt">This poll is=
 now closed without any objection to progress.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt">However (e=
xpect if I have missed it), I haven=E2=80=99t heard about any implementatio=
n.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt">Is there any known implementa=
tion ? If NO, is the WG against progressing the document without an impleme=
ntation ?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt">Feedback required by t=
he end of the week.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt">Thanks,<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:non=
e;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0c=
m"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt">=
From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"> <a href=3D"m=
ailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a=
> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows=
.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> vendredi 17 janvier 2020 09:56<br>=
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org=
</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors@ietf.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors@ietf.org</a><br><b=
>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-cha=
irs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> WGLC , IPR and implementation poll for =
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:bl=
ack">This email starts a two weeks Working Group<span> Last Call=C2=A0</spa=
n>on </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 [2]</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"colo=
r:black">Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Al=
so, please indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards trac=
k RFC.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">This poll runs until Fri 31th Ja=
nuary 2019.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-al=
ign:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
>We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t=
his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF=
 IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt">If you are =
listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to thi=
s email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclos=
ed IPR. The Document won&#39;t progress without answers from all the Author=
s and Contributors.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">There is currently no IPR disclosed.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt;col=
or:black">We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. P=
lease indicate if you are aware of any implementations.</span><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p st=
yle=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">=C2=A0Thank you,</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0p=
x"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Stephane</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-alig=
n:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">[1]<span>=C2=A0=
</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"https:/=
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Here are my comments.

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Procedural (Chairs can make a call on which of these must be addressed)

- Draft is missing IANA considerations and security considerations sections=
.
- 6 front page authors may cause issues as the draft moves forward.
- pg 8
>>>

It is work in progress with authors of [BGP-LINK-
BW] to allow for this attribute to be used as transitive in inter-AS
scenarios.

>>>
Has this issue been resolved?  It seems like it should be resolved one way
or another before the draft is allowed to progress to RFC.

Editorial

- general

Suggest adding a section for acronyms.  Many are used and they are not all
well known and some like BW have a new meaning in this draft.

Link bundle, LAG bundle, LAG are all used interchangeably.  Suggest use
only LAG.

Load balance, load-balance, load sharing, load-sharing used
interchangeably.  Suggest use "load balance" everywhere.

What is the difference between EXT-COMM and extended community?  Suggest
use "extended community" everywhere.

In the terminology section, "LOCAL" and "REMOTE" PE are defined, yet
throughout the doc, a mix of LOCAL/local and REMOTE/remote are used.
Suggest make consistent and use non-capitalized versions.  These are
well-understood terms.

- pg 2
There are 2 section 3.1's.

- pg 4
Missing period at end of 3rd bullet.

- pg 5
In title for section 1.1, "PE CE" -> "PE-CE"
"Consider a CE1" -> "Consider CE1"
"link bundle represented" -> "the LAG represented"
"it's bandwidth" -> "its bandwidth"
"it MUST add a link" -> "it must add a link"  (MUST should only be used for
something this spec is mandating, not an observation.)

- pg 6
"hosts MUST also be load-balanced" -> "hosts must also be load balanced"
(there are 2 instances of this, one at the top of the page, one at the
bottom)
In title for section 1.2, "PE CE" -> "PE-CE"

- pg 7
"with Lx being the number of links / bandwidth..." -> "with Lx being the
total bandwidth across all links..."
"Solution proposed..." -> "The solution proposed..."
"who's overlay..." -> "whose overlay"

-pg 8
"advertise a additional..." -> "advertise an additional..."

-pg 10
"link-bandwidth" -> "link bandwidth"

- pg 12
"compute a random hash..." -> "computes a random hash..."
"IP address of PE at ordinal i" -> "IP address of PE(i)"
"PE that has the highest hash..." -> "The PE that has the highest hash..."
"one per-bandwidth..." -> "one per bandwidth..."

- pg 14
"[WEIGHTED-HRW] document describes..." -> "[WEIGHTED-HRW] describes..."

- pg 16
"PE_CE" -> "PE-CE"
There appears to be a formatting issue with the 2nd bullet in section 6.
Missing periods at the end of the first 3 bullets.

- pg 17
Section 7 title "with non-EVPN routing" -> "With Non-EVPN Routing"
Missing periods at end of bullets.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:27 PM Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu>
wrote:

> I decided to look at the draft and will send my mostly editorial comments
> in a day or so.  Sorry for the delay.
>
> But what I find really surprising is that the draft made it through WGLC
> without IANA considerations or security considerations sections.  I thoug=
ht
> those were mandatory.  I haven't been to an IETF meeting in a while.  Has
> something changed?
>
> Anoop
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:54 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This poll is now closed without any objection to progress.
>>
>> However (expect if I have missed it), I haven=E2=80=99t heard about any
>> implementation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any known implementation ? If NO, is the WG against progressing
>> the document without an implementation ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Feedback required by the end of the week.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* vendredi 17 janvier 2020 09:56
>> *To:* bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors@ietf.org
>> *Cc:* bess-chairs@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* WGLC , IPR and implementation poll for
>> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi WG,
>>
>>
>>
>> This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess=
-evpn-unequal-lb-03
>> [2]
>>
>>
>>
>> Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also,
>> please indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track
>> RFC.
>>
>>
>>
>> This poll runs until Fri 31th January 2019.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
>> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
>> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>>
>> If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please
>> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
>> relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers fr=
om
>> all the Authors and Contributors.
>>
>> There is currently no IPR disclosed.
>>
>> We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please
>> indicate if you are aware of any implementations.
>>
>>  Thank you,
>>
>> Stephane
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw
>>
>> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb/
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here are my comments.<div><br></div><div>=
=3D=3D</div><div><br></div><div>Procedural (Chairs can make a call on which=
 of these must be addressed)</div><div><br></div><div>- Draft is missing IA=
NA considerations and security considerations sections.</div><div>- 6 front=
 page authors may cause issues as the draft moves forward.</div><div>- pg 8=
</div><div>&gt;&gt;&gt;</div><div><pre class=3D"gmail-newpage" style=3D"fon=
t-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;break-before:page;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)">It is work in progress with authors of [BGP-LINK-
BW] to allow for this attribute to be used as transitive in inter-AS
scenarios.</pre></div><div>&gt;&gt;&gt;</div><div>Has this issue been resol=
ved?=C2=A0 It seems like it should be resolved one way or another before th=
e draft is allowed to progress to RFC.</div><div><br></div><div>Editorial</=
div><div><br></div><div>- general</div><div><br></div><div>Suggest adding a=
 section for acronyms.=C2=A0 Many are used and they are not all well known =
and some like BW have a new meaning in this draft.<br></div><div><br></div>=
<div>Link bundle, LAG bundle, LAG are all used interchangeably.=C2=A0 Sugge=
st use only LAG.</div><div><br></div><div>Load balance, load-balance, load =
sharing, load-sharing used interchangeably.=C2=A0 Suggest use &quot;load ba=
lance&quot; everywhere.</div><div><br></div><div>What is the difference bet=
ween EXT-COMM and extended community?=C2=A0 Suggest use &quot;extended comm=
unity&quot; everywhere.</div><div><br></div><div>In the terminology section=
, &quot;LOCAL&quot; and &quot;REMOTE&quot; PE are defined, yet throughout t=
he doc, a mix of LOCAL/local and REMOTE/remote are used.=C2=A0 Suggest make=
 consistent and use non-capitalized versions.=C2=A0 These are well-understo=
od terms.</div><div><br></div><div>- pg 2</div><div>There are 2 section 3.1=
&#39;s.<br></div><div><br></div><div>- pg 4</div><div>Missing period at end=
 of 3rd bullet.<br></div><div><br></div><div>- pg 5</div><div>In title for =
section 1.1, &quot;PE CE&quot; -&gt; &quot;PE-CE&quot;</div><div>&quot;Cons=
ider a CE1&quot; -&gt; &quot;Consider CE1&quot;</div><div>&quot;link bundle=
 represented&quot; -&gt; &quot;the LAG represented&quot;</div><div>&quot;it=
&#39;s bandwidth&quot; -&gt; &quot;its bandwidth&quot;</div><div>&quot;<spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px">it MUST add a link&quot; -=
&gt; &quot;it must add a link&quot;=C2=A0 (MUST should only be used for som=
ething this spec is mandating, not an observation.)</span></div><div><br></=
div><div>- pg 6</div><div>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:1=
3.3333px">hosts MUST also be load-balanced&quot; -&gt; &quot;</span><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px">hosts must also be load balan=
ced&quot; (there are 2 instances of this, one at the top of the page, one a=
t the bottom)</span></div><div><div>In title for section 1.2, &quot;PE CE&q=
uot; -&gt; &quot;PE-CE&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>- pg 7</div><div>&quo=
t;with Lx being the number of links / bandwidth...&quot; -&gt; &quot;with L=
x being the total bandwidth across all links...&quot;</div><div>&quot;Solut=
ion proposed...&quot; -&gt; &quot;The solution proposed...&quot;</div><div>=
&quot;who&#39;s overlay...&quot; -&gt; &quot;whose overlay&quot;</div><div>=
<br></div><div>-pg 8</div><div>&quot;advertise a additional...&quot; -&gt; =
&quot;advertise an additional...&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>-pg 10</div=
><div>&quot;link-bandwidth&quot; -&gt; &quot;link bandwidth&quot;</div><div=
><br></div><div>- pg 12</div><div>&quot;compute a random hash...&quot; -&gt=
; &quot;computes a random hash...&quot;</div><div>&quot;IP address of PE at=
 ordinal i&quot; -&gt; &quot;IP address of PE(i)&quot;</div><div>&quot;PE t=
hat has the highest hash...&quot; -&gt; &quot;The PE that has the highest h=
ash...&quot;</div><div>&quot;one per-bandwidth...&quot; -&gt; &quot;one per=
 bandwidth...&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>- pg 14</div><div>&quot;[WEIGH=
TED-HRW] document describes...&quot; -&gt; &quot;[WEIGHTED-HRW] describes..=
.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>- pg 16</div><div>&quot;PE_CE&quot; -&gt; =
&quot;PE-CE&quot;</div><div>There appears to be a formatting issue with the=
 2nd bullet in section 6.</div><div>Missing periods at the end of the first=
 3 bullets.</div><div><br></div><div>- pg 17</div><div>Section 7 title &quo=
t;with non-EVPN routing&quot; -&gt; &quot;With Non-EVPN Routing&quot;</div>=
<div>Missing periods at end of bullets.</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1=
1:27 PM Anoop Ghanwani &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:anoop@alumni.duke.edu">anoop@a=
lumni.duke.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I decided to look at the dr=
aft and will send my mostly editorial comments in a day or so.=C2=A0 Sorry =
for the delay.<div><br></div><div>But what I find really surprising is that=
 the draft made it through WGLC without IANA considerations or security con=
siderations sections.=C2=A0 I thought those were mandatory.=C2=A0 I haven&#=
39;t been to an IETF meeting in a while.=C2=A0 Has something changed?<br></=
div><div><br></div><div>Anoop</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:54 AM &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div lang=3D"FR"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:11pt">This poll is now closed without any objection to progre=
ss.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt">However (expect if I have missed it), I haven=E2=80=
=99t heard about any implementation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:1=
1pt">Is there any known implementation ? If NO, is the WG against progressi=
ng the document without an implementation ?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-size:11pt">Feedback required by the end of the week.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"bo=
rder-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rg=
b(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:11pt"> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> v=
endredi 17 janvier 2020 09:56<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org=
" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-ev=
pn-unequal-lb.authors@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-uneq=
ual-lb.authors@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> WGLC ,=
 IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 <u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">This email starts a two weeks Workin=
g Group<span> Last Call=C2=A0</span>on </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">draft-ie=
tf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 [2]</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:bl=
ack"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Please review the draft and send=
 any comments to the BESS list. Also, please indicate if you support publis=
hing the draft as a standards track RFC.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"colo=
r:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;tex=
t-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">=
This poll runs until Fri 31th January 2019.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt">We are also polling for knowledge of any u=
ndisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been d=
isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5=
378 for more details).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt">If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of thi=
s Document please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are=
 aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won&#39;t progress wit=
hout answers from all the Authors and Contributors.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">There i=
s currently no IPR disclosed.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">We are also polling for any exis=
ting implementation as per [1]. Please indicate if you are aware of any imp=
lementations.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:blac=
k"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align=
:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color=
:black">=C2=A0Thank you,</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal=
;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size=
:12pt;color:black">Stephane</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"f=
ont-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color=
:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"color:black">[1]<span>=C2=A0</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X=
1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(4,74,14=
5)">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<=
/span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11=
pt">[2] </span><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-=
evpn-unequal-lb/" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb/</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-=
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I support.  I think this is a very important feature that provides
flexibility to operators In upgrading edge bandwidth.  Sorry to chime in
late after the poll closed.

Since this draft is an introduction of a new feature to support EVPN
unequal load balancing,  have any vendors implemented this feature yet.

Also have any vendors see any issues with the evpn unequal cost lb solution
depiction in the draft.  I don=E2=80=99t know of any operators that have
implemented.

Kind regards

Gyan

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 8:54 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> This poll is now closed without any objection to progress.
>
> However (expect if I have missed it), I haven=E2=80=99t heard about any
> implementation.
>
>
>
> Is there any known implementation ? If NO, is the WG against progressing
> the document without an implementation ?
>
>
>
> Feedback required by the end of the week.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
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>
>
> *From:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* vendredi 17 janvier 2020 09:56
> *To:* bess@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.authors@ietf.org
> *Cc:* bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* WGLC , IPR and implementation poll for
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03
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>
>
> Hi WG,
>
>
>
> This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-=
evpn-unequal-lb-03
> [2]
>
>
>
> Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also,
> please indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track
> RFC.
>
>
>
> This poll runs until Fri 31th January 2019.
>
>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers fro=
m
> all the Authors and Contributors.
>
> There is currently no IPR disclosed.
>
> We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please
> indicate if you are aware of any implementations.
>
>  Thank you,
>
> Stephane
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> [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDp=
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<div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto">I support.=C2=A0 I think this is a ve=
ry important feature that provides flexibility to operators In upgrading ed=
ge bandwidth.=C2=A0 Sorry to chime in late after the poll closed.</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Since this draft is an introducti=
on of a new feature to support EVPN unequal load balancing, =C2=A0have any =
vendors implemented this feature yet. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Also have any vendors see any issues with the evpn une=
qual cost lb solution depiction in the draft.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t know of=
 any operators that have implemented.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">Kind=C2=A0regards</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Gyan</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 8:54 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitko=
ws.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"=
>This poll is now closed without any objection to progress.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt">However (expect if I have missed it), I haven=E2=80=99t heard about an=
y implementation.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Is there a=
ny known implementation ? If NO, is the WG against progressing the document=
 without an implementation ?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"=
>Feedback required by the end of the week.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"b=
order:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</=
span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> <a href=3D"mailto=
:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a> &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br></span></p></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"FR" =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div><div><div style=3D"border:none;bord=
er-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><b>Sent:</b> vendredi 17 =
janvier 2020 09:56<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-=
lb.authors@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb.auth=
ors@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> WGLC , IPR and im=
plementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb-03 <u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:bl=
ack"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"color:black">This email starts a two weeks Working Group<span=
> Last Call=C2=A0</span>on </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">draft-ietf-bess-evpn=
-unequal-lb-03 [2]</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"colo=
r:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Please review the draft and send any comme=
nts to the BESS list. Also, please indicate if you support publishing the d=
raft as a standards track RFC.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">=
=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:s=
tart;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">This poll=
 runs until Fri 31th January 2019.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"colo=
r:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-vari=
ant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt">We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclo=
sed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclose=
d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for=
 more details).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12.0pt">If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Doc=
ument please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are awar=
e of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won&#39;t progress without =
answers from all the Authors and Contributors.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">There is c=
urrently no IPR disclosed.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"=
font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">We are also polling for any exis=
ting implementation as per [1]. Please indicate if you are aware of any imp=
lementations.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:bl=
ack"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-ali=
gn:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0Thank you,</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style=3D"font-variant-caps:=
normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black">Stephane</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB" style=3D"color:black">[1]<span>=C2=A0</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/b=
ess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:#04=
4a91">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDp=
w</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt">[2] </span><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-b=
ess-evpn-unequal-lb/" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">https://datatr=
acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-unequal-lb/</span></a><span lang=3D=
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Hi Greg,

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Looks good to me.

There is just a typo on:

=E2=80=9C  7.2.  BFD Discriminator Extention Type =C2=BB

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s/Extention/Extension

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Stephane

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From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>=20
Sent: samedi 1 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 22:22
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; =
bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover

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Hi Stephane,

thank you for your comments, suggestions, and guidance. The new version =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover=
-09>  has been uploaded. Please let me know if there's anything I can do =
to make the next step in progressing the draft.

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Regards,

Greg

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On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> > wrote:

I=E2=80=99m fine with the proposal

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From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net =
<mailto:zzhang@juniper.net> >=20
Sent: vendredi 31 janvier 2020 20:44
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com> >; =
slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>=20
Cc: BESS <bess@ietf.org <mailto:bess@ietf.org> >; bess-chairs@ietf.org =
<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>=20
Subject: RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover

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Hi Greg, Stephane,

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The first MAY should actually be a SHOULD; for the second MAY, it =
actually can go back to =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D.

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Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. The =E2=80=9Cin this =
case=E2=80=9D sentence is more about the result, not the action to take. =
Perhaps also change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cas a =
result=E2=80=9D in both sections?

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Jeffrey

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From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com> =
>=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:41 PM
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> ; Jeffrey =
(Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net <mailto:zzhang@juniper.net> >
Cc: BESS <bess@ietf.org <mailto:bess@ietf.org> >; bess-chairs@ietf.org =
<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>=20
Subject: Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover

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Hi Jeffrey,

happy New Years (the Spring Festival is just upon us) and best wishes.

Stephane suggested to ask you another, hopefully quick, review of the =
part of this draft. Please see our discussion copied below:

Section 3.1.4:

As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative =
language in the expected behavior description ?
GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:

OLD TEXT:

   A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
   C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
   triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
   the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
   built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
   UMH when the reachability condition changes.

NEW TEXT:

   A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
   C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
   triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
   the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
   built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
   UMH when the reachability condition changes.
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[SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, =
however the second =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =
=E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?

GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be =
updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some =
scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it =
might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the =
option to delay the update?

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[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I =
just want the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A

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What do you think of the use of the normative language in the newly =
updated text?

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Best regards,

Greg

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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com =
<mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Greg,

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More inline,

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From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com> =
>=20
Sent: mercredi 4 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 23:22
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> ; BESS =
<bess@ietf.org <mailto:bess@ietf.org> >; bess-chairs@ietf.org =
<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>=20
Subject: RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover

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Hi Stephane,

thank you for the review and your thoughtful comments. Please find my =
answers and notes in-lined under GIM>> tag.

Attached, please find the diff and copy of the working version.

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Regards,

Greg

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Hi,

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Please find below my review of the document.

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Nits:

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Section 3.1.1:=20

As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative =
language in the expected behavior description ?

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GIM2>> My apologies, I've pasted the same text twice. I propose to =
remove "may be omitted" altogether. Hence the updated text:

   If BGP next-hop tracking is done for VPN routes and the root address
   of a given tunnel happens to be the same as the next-hop address in
   the BGP auto-discovery route advertising the tunnel, then the use of =
this

   mechanism for the tunnel will not bring any specific benefit.=20

Do you see this version without any normative language as acceptable?

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[SLI] Looks good thanks

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Section 3.1.2:

As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative =
language in the expected behavior description ?

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=E2=80=9CThis method should not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=E2=80=99t this =
be a normative statement ?

GIM>> Would the following modification of the text be acceptable:

OLD TEXT:

   This method should not be used when there is a fast restoration
   mechanism (such as MPLS FRR [RFC4090]) in place for the link.

NEW TEXT:
    Using this method when a fast restoration mechanism (such as MPLS =
FRR
   [RFC4090]) is in place for the link requires careful consideration
   and coordination of defect detection intervals for the link and the
   tunnel.  In many cases, it is not practical to use both methods at
   the same time.

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[SLI] Are we strongly disencouraging the practice ? if yes, =E2=80=9Cit =
is not practical=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99m wondering if =
=E2=80=9Cis NOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D could be a good wording. But it is =
up to you.

GIM2>> The use of OAM in multi-layer fashion is a question I'd be =
interested to discuss. But I feel that it deserves a separate document =
and would prefer to leave the text as a note of caution for now.

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[SLI] Ok

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Section 3.1.4:

As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative =
language in the expected behavior description ?
GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:

OLD TEXT:

   A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
   C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
   triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
   the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
   built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
   UMH when the reachability condition changes.

NEW TEXT:

   A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
   C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
   triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
   the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
   built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
   UMH when the reachability condition changes.
=20

[SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, =
however the second =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =
=E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?

GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be =
updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some =
scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it =
might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the =
option to delay the update?

=20

[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I =
just want the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A

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Section 3.1.6:

As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative =
language in the expected behavior description ?

GIM>> Sub-sections of 3.1.6 define the use of RFC 8562 and the new =
attribute. In the introduction to these sub-sections, I propose =
s/can/MAY/


>From a wider perspective, do you foresee other use case of signaling =
BFD information in BGP ? I=E2=80=99m just wondering if we may need =
something extensible for future use or not.

GIM>> Great question. BGP, and I'm speculating here, may be used to for =
other BFD-related scenarios. I think that we may use the Flags field.
[SLI] Is it enough or should you add some optional TLVs behind the =
discriminator ? (with nothing defined yet).

GIM2>> Great idea, thank you! Please see the updated figure and the =
text:

       0                   1                   2                   3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                         Reserved  TLV                         |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+



                 Format of the BFD Discriminator Attribute

   Where:

      BFD Mode is the one octet long field.  This specification defines
      the P2MP value (TBA3) Section 7.1.

      Reserved field is three octets long and the value MUST be zeroed
      on transmission and ignored on receipt.

      BFD Discriminator is four octets long field.

      Reserved TLV field is four octets long.  It MAY be used for future
      extensions of the BFD Discriminator Attribute using Type-Length-
      Value format.  This specification defines that the value in
      Reserved TLV field MUST be zeroed on transmission and ignored on

      receipt.

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[SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not extensible, I was =
thinking of options encoded as TLVs.

If there is no TLV, the attribute ends on BFD discriminator, the =
attribute length should tell if there are TLVs or not.

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       0                   1                   2                   3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                         optional TLVs                         |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Another point I have missed, you should define error handling procedures =
for your attribute as per RFC7606.

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to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is just a typo =
on:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=E2=80=9C</span><span =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Greg Mirsky &lt;gregimirsky@gmail.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
samedi 1 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 22:22<br><b>To:</b> =
slitkows.ietf@gmail.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang =
&lt;zzhang@juniper.net&gt;; BESS &lt;bess@ietf.org&gt;; =
bess-chairs@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Shepherd's review of =
draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Stephane,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>thank you for your =
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there's anything I can do to make the next step in progressing the =
draft.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I=E2=80=99m fine with the proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" =
target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> vendredi =
31 janvier 2020 20:44<br><b>To:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; =
<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
Shepherd's review of =
draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi Greg, Stephane,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The first MAY should actually be a SHOULD; for the second =
MAY, it actually can go back to =
=E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. The =
=E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D sentence is more about the result, not =
the action to take. Perhaps also change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D =
to =E2=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D in both =
sections?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Jeffrey</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" =
target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; =
<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
Shepherd's review of =
draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi Jeffrey,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>happy New Years (the Spring Festival is just upon us) and =
best wishes.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Stephane suggested to ask you another, hopefully quick, =
review of the part of this draft. Please see our discussion copied =
below:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>Section 3.1.4:<br><br>As the =
document is standard track, could you introduce normative language in =
the expected behavior description ?<br>GIM&gt;&gt; Updating to the =
normative language as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>OLD =
TEXT:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>&nbsp; &nbsp;A PE can be removed =
from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;C-G) if =
the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the =
protocol<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from =
P to PE cannot be<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;built.&nbsp; In this case, the =
downstream PE can immediately update its<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;UMH when the =
reachability condition changes.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>NEW =
TEXT:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>&nbsp; &nbsp;A PE MAY be removed =
from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;C-G) if =
the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the =
protocol<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from =
P to PE cannot be<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;built.&nbsp; In this case, the =
downstream PE MAY immediately update its<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;UMH when the =
reachability condition changes.<br>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>[SLI] I understand the first =
=E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, however the second =
=E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. =
Thoughts?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>GIM2&gt;&gt;&nbsp; Thank you for =
the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be updated once the =
reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some scenarios, such an =
update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it might be better to =
delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the option to delay the =
update?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#500050'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? =
I=E2=80=99m not enough expert here to tell what may be the best option. =
On my side, I just want the text to be clear&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128522;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>What do =
you think of the use of the normative language in the newly updated =
text?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>Best =
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi =
Greg,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>More =
inline,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
mercredi 4 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 23:22<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; BESS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; =
<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
Shepherd's review of =
draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi =
Stephane,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>thank you =
for the review and your thoughtful&nbsp;comments. Please find my answers =
and notes in-lined under GIM&gt;&gt; tag.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Attached, =
please find the diff and copy of the working =
version.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regards,<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Greg<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi,<br><br>&=
nbsp;<br><br>Please find below my review of the =
document.<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Nits:<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br><br>Section 3.1.1: <br><br>As =
the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language =
in the expected behavior description =
?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:11.3pt'=
>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>GIM2&gt;&gt; My apologies, I've pasted the same text twice. =
</span>I propose to remove &quot;may be omitted&quot; altogether. Hence =
the updated text:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;If BGP next-hop tracking is done for VPN routes and the root =
address<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;of a given tunnel happens to be the same as the =
next-hop address in<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;the BGP auto-discovery route =
advertising the tunnel, then the use of this<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;mechanism for the tunnel will not bring any specific =
benefit.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Do you see =
this version without any normative language as =
acceptable?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>[SLI] Looks =
good thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>Section 3.1.2:<br><br>As the document is standard =
track, could you introduce normative language in the expected behavior =
description ?<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br></span>=E2=80=9CThis method should =
not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=E2=80=99t this be a normative statement =
?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GIM&gt;&gt; =
Would the following modification of the text be =
acceptable:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>OLD =
TEXT:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;This method should not be used when there is a fast =
restoration<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;mechanism (such as MPLS FRR [RFC4090]) in =
place for the link.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>NEW =
TEXT:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Using this method when a fast restoration =
mechanism (such as MPLS FRR<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;[RFC4090]) is in place for =
the link requires careful consideration<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;and coordination =
of defect detection intervals for the link and the<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;tunnel.&nbsp; In many cases, it is not practical to use both =
methods at<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;the same time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] Are we strongly disencouraging the practice ? if yes, =
=E2=80=9Cit is not practical=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99m =
wondering if =E2=80=9Cis NOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D could be a good =
wording. But it is up to =
you.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GIM2&gt;&gt;=
 The use of OAM in multi-layer fashion is a question I'd be interested =
to discuss. But I feel that it deserves a separate document and would =
prefer to leave the text as a note of caution for now.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>[SLI] =
Ok<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br><br>Section 3.1.4:<br><br>As the document is standard =
track, could you introduce normative language in the expected behavior =
description ?<br></span>GIM&gt;&gt; Updating to the normative language =
as follows:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>OLD =
TEXT:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given =
(C-S,<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this =
(S, G) is leaf<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some =
reason internal to the protocol<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;the upstream one-hop =
branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;built.&nbsp; =
In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;UMH when the reachability condition =
changes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>NEW =
TEXT:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given =
(C-S,<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this =
(S, G) is leaf-<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some =
reason internal to the protocol<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;the upstream one-hop =
branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;built.&nbsp; =
In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;UMH when the reachability condition =
changes.<br>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as =
optional feature, however the second =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =
=E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. =
Thoughts?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GIM2&gt;&gt;=
&nbsp; Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be =
updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some =
scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it =
might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the =
option to delay the update?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? =
I=E2=80=99m not enough expert here to tell what may be the best option. =
On my side, I just want the text to be clear </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128522;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>&nbsp;<br>Section 3.1.6:<br><br>As the document is =
standard track, could you introduce normative language in the expected =
behavior description ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>GIM&gt;&gt; =
Sub-sections of 3.1.6 define the use of RFC 8562 and the new attribute. =
In the introduction to these sub-sections, I propose =
s/can/MAY/<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>&gt;From a wider perspective, do you foresee other use =
case of signaling BFD information in BGP ? </span>I=E2=80=99m just =
wondering if we may need something extensible for future use or =
not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GIM&gt;&gt; =
Great question. BGP, and I'm speculating here, may be used to for other =
BFD-related scenarios. <span lang=3DEN-US>I think that we may use the =
Flags field.<br>[SLI] Is it enough or should you add some optional TLVs =
behind the discriminator ? (with nothing defined =
yet).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GIM2&gt;&gt;=
 Great idea, thank you! Please see the updated figure and the =
text:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; 1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; 2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
3<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 =
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;BFD Mode &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Reserved &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BFD Discriminator &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Reserved &nbsp;TLV &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
|<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br><br>=
<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;Format of the BFD Discriminator Attribute<br><br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;Where:<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BFD Mode is the one octet long =
field.&nbsp; This specification defines<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the P2MP =
value (TBA3) Section 7.1.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Reserved field is =
three octets long and the value MUST be zeroed<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
on transmission and ignored on receipt.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BFD =
Discriminator is four octets long field.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Reserved TLV field is four octets long.&nbsp; It MAY be used for =
future<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; extensions of the BFD Discriminator =
Attribute using Type-Length-<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Value format.&nbsp; =
This specification defines that the value in<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Reserved TLV field MUST be zeroed on transmission and ignored =
on<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; receipt.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not extensible, =
I was thinking of options encoded as TLVs.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>If there is no TLV, the attribute ends on BFD =
discriminator, the attribute length should tell if there are TLVs or =
not.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 =
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;BFD Mode &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Reserved &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BFD Discriminator &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>&nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; optional TLVs &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
|<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Another point I have missed, you should define error =
handling procedures for your attribute as per =
RFC7606.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1=
1.3pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockq=
uote><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br><br>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div>=
</blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blo=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Advertising IPv4 Network Layer Reachability Information with an IPv6 Next Hop
        Authors         : Stephane Litkowski
                          Swadesh Agrawal
                          Krishna Muddenahally Ananthamurthy
                          Keyur Patel
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-rfc5549revision-02.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2020-02-10

Abstract:
   Multiprotocol BGP (MP-BGP) [RFC4760] specifies that the set of usable
   next-hop address families is determined by the Address Family
   Identifier (AFI) and the Subsequent Address Family Identifier (SAFI).
   The current AFI/SAFI definitions for the IPv4 address family only
   have provisions for advertising a Next Hop address that belongs to
   the IPv4 protocol when advertising IPv4 Network Layer Reachability
   Information (NLRI) or VPN-IPv4 NLRI.  This document specifies the
   extensions necessary to allow advertising IPv4 NLRI or VPN-IPv4 NLRI
   with a Next Hop address that belongs to the IPv6 protocol.  This
   comprises an extension of the AFI/SAFI definitions to allow the
   address of the Next Hop for IPv4 NLRI or VPN-IPv4 NLRI to also belong
   to the IPv6 protocol, the encoding of the Next Hop to determine which
   of the protocols the address actually belongs to, and a new BGP
   Capability allowing MP-BGP Peers to dynamically discover whether they
   can exchange IPv4 NLRI and VPN-IPv4 NLRI with an IPv6 Next Hop.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Multicast VPN fast upstream failover
        Authors         : Thomas Morin
                          Robert Kebler
                          Greg Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-10.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2020-02-10

Abstract:
   This document defines multicast VPN extensions and procedures that
   allow fast failover for upstream failures, by allowing downstream PEs
   to take into account the status of Provider-Tunnels (P-tunnels) when
   selecting the upstream PE for a VPN multicast flow, and extending BGP
   MVPN routing so that a C-multicast route can be advertised toward a
   standby upstream PE.



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Hi Stephane,
thank you for catching that. Fixed (three places). The new version has been
uploaded. Please kindly advise on the next steps.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:30 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> Looks good to me.
>
> There is just a typo on:
>
> =E2=80=9C  7.2.  BFD Discriminator Extention Type =C2=BB
>
>
>
> s/Extention/Extension
>
>
>
>
>
> Stephane
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* samedi 1 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 22:22
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>;
> bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Stephane,
>
> thank you for your comments, suggestions, and guidance. The new version
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover=
-09>
> has been uploaded. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to mak=
e
> the next step in progressing the draft.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I=E2=80=99m fine with the proposal
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> *Sent:* vendredi 31 janvier 2020 20:44
> *To:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>; slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Greg, Stephane,
>
>
>
> The first MAY should actually be a SHOULD; for the second MAY, it actuall=
y
> can go back to =E2=80=9Ccan=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. The =E2=80=9Cin this c=
ase=E2=80=9D
> sentence is more about the result, not the action to take. Perhaps also
> change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cas a result=E2=80=9D in=
 both sections?
>
>
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:41 PM
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.ne=
t
> >
> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> happy New Years (the Spring Festival is just upon us) and best wishes.
>
> Stephane suggested to ask you another, hopefully quick, review of the par=
t
> of this draft. Please see our discussion copied below:
>
> Section 3.1.4:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
> GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
>    A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
>
> [SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, h=
owever the second
> =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?
>
> GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be
> updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some
> scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it
> might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the
> option to delay the update?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough
> expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just want
> the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
> What do you think of the use of the normative language in the newly
> updated text?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> More inline,
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* mercredi 4 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 23:22
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; bess-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover
>
>
>
> Hi Stephane,
>
> thank you for the review and your thoughtful comments. Please find my
> answers and notes in-lined under GIM>> tag.
>
> Attached, please find the diff and copy of the working version.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Please find below my review of the document.
>
>
>
> Nits:
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.1:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
>
>
> GIM2>> My apologies, I've pasted the same text twice. I propose to remove
> "may be omitted" altogether. Hence the updated text:
>
>    If BGP next-hop tracking is done for VPN routes and the root address
>    of a given tunnel happens to be the same as the next-hop address in
>    the BGP auto-discovery route advertising the tunnel, then the use of
> this
>
>    mechanism for the tunnel will not bring any specific benefit.
>
> Do you see this version without any normative language as acceptable?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Looks good thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.2:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
>
>
> =E2=80=9CThis method should not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=E2=80=99t this b=
e a normative statement ?
>
> GIM>> Would the following modification of the text be acceptable:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    This method should not be used when there is a fast restoration
>    mechanism (such as MPLS FRR [RFC4090]) in place for the link.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>     Using this method when a fast restoration mechanism (such as MPLS FRR
>    [RFC4090]) is in place for the link requires careful consideration
>    and coordination of defect detection intervals for the link and the
>    tunnel.  In many cases, it is not practical to use both methods at
>    the same time.
>
>
>
> [SLI] Are we strongly disencouraging the practice ? if yes, =E2=80=9Cit i=
s not
> practical=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99m wondering if =E2=80=9Ci=
s NOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D could
> be a good wording. But it is up to you.
>
> GIM2>> The use of OAM in multi-layer fashion is a question I'd be
> interested to discuss. But I feel that it deserves a separate document an=
d
> would prefer to leave the text as a note of caution for now.
>
>
>
> [SLI] Ok
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.4:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
> GIM>> Updating to the normative language as follows:
>
> OLD TEXT:
>
>    A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE can immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
> NEW TEXT:
>
>    A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,
>    C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is leaf-
>    triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol
>    the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot be
>    built.  In this case, the downstream PE MAY immediately update its
>    UMH when the reachability condition changes.
>
>
> [SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, h=
owever the second
> =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?
>
> GIM2>>  Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be
> updated once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some
> scenarios, such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it
> might be better to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the
> option to delay the update?
>
>
>
> [SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point ? I=E2=80=99m not =
enough
> expert here to tell what may be the best option. On my side, I just want
> the text to be clear =F0=9F=98=8A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 3.1.6:
>
> As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative language
> in the expected behavior description ?
>
> GIM>> Sub-sections of 3.1.6 define the use of RFC 8562 and the new
> attribute. In the introduction to these sub-sections, I propose s/can/MAY=
/
>
>
> >From a wider perspective, do you foresee other use case of signaling BFD
> information in BGP ? I=E2=80=99m just wondering if we may need something
> extensible for future use or not.
>
> GIM>> Great question. BGP, and I'm speculating here, may be used to for
> other BFD-related scenarios. I think that we may use the Flags field.
> [SLI] Is it enough or should you add some optional TLVs behind the
> discriminator ? (with nothing defined yet).
>
> GIM2>> Great idea, thank you! Please see the updated figure and the text:
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                         Reserved  TLV                         |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>                  Format of the BFD Discriminator Attribute
>
>    Where:
>
>       BFD Mode is the one octet long field.  This specification defines
>       the P2MP value (TBA3) Section 7.1.
>
>       Reserved field is three octets long and the value MUST be zeroed
>       on transmission and ignored on receipt.
>
>       BFD Discriminator is four octets long field.
>
>       Reserved TLV field is four octets long.  It MAY be used for future
>       extensions of the BFD Discriminator Attribute using Type-Length-
>       Value format.  This specification defines that the value in
>       Reserved TLV field MUST be zeroed on transmission and ignored on
>
>       receipt.
>
>
>
> [SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not extensible, I was thinking
> of options encoded as TLVs.
>
> If there is no TLV, the attribute ends on BFD discriminator, the attribut=
e
> length should tell if there are TLVs or not.
>
>
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |    BFD Mode   |                  Reserved                     |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                       BFD Discriminator                       |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |                         optional TLVs                         |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
> Another point I have missed, you should define error handling procedures
> for your attribute as per RFC7606.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Stephane,<div>thank you for catching=C2=A0that. Fixed (=
three places). The new version has been uploaded. Please kindly advise on t=
he next steps.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon=
, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:30 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com">sl=
itkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"FR"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-50395156685154=
6213WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hi Greg,<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Looks good to me.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">There is just a typo on:<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=E2=80=9C</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black;backg=
round:rgb(136,255,255)">=C2=A0 7.2.=C2=A0 BFD Discriminator Extention Type=
=C2=A0=C2=BB<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:8.5pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black;background:=
rgb(136,255,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black=
;background:rgb(136,255,255)">s/Extention/Extension<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stephane<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> samedi 1 f=C3=
=A9vrier 2020 22:22<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Jeffrey (Zhao=
hui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzhang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzha=
ng@juniper.net</a>&gt;; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Shepherd&#39=
;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi =
Stephane,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">thank you for your c=
omments, suggestions, and guidance. The <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf=
.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-09" target=3D"_blank">new =
version</a> has been uploaded. Please let me know if there&#39;s anything I=
 can do to make the next step in progressing the draft.<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Greg<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:49 AM &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"borde=
r-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=80=99m fine with th=
e proposal</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;bor=
der-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padd=
ing:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span=
></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zz=
hang@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:=
</b> vendredi 31 janvier 2020 20:44<br><b>To:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitko=
ws.ietf@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.or=
g" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@i=
etf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover</span><u></u><u=
></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Greg, Stephane,</span><u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The first MAY should actua=
lly be a SHOULD; for the second MAY, it actually can go back to =E2=80=9Cca=
n=E2=80=9D.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US">Then this will match the previous RSVP-TE section. The =E2=80=9Cin thi=
s case=E2=80=9D sentence is more about the result, not the action to take. =
Perhaps also change =E2=80=9Cin this case=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cas a result=
=E2=80=9D in both sections?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Jeffrey</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Greg Mirsky =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:41 PM<br><=
b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slit=
kows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zzha=
ng@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">zzhang@juniper.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</=
a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chai=
rs@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-=
bess-mvpn-fast-failover</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Jeffrey,</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">happy New Years (the Spring Festival is jus=
t upon us) and best wishes.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stephane suggested to ask you another, hope=
fully quick, review of the part of this draft. Please see our discussion co=
pied below:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><blockquote style=3D"border-=
top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80=
)">Section 3.1.4:<br><br>As the document is standard track, could you intro=
duce normative language in the expected behavior description ?<br>GIM&gt;&g=
t; Updating to the normative language as follows:</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80=
,0,80)">OLD TEXT:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE can be=
 removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G)=
 if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this (S, G) is leaf<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to the protocol<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from P to PE cannot =
be<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream PE can immedia=
tely update its<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability condition changes=
.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">NEW TEXT:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80=
)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given=
 (C-S,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S,=
 G) is leaf-<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason int=
ernal to the protocol<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tu=
nnel from P to PE cannot be<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the =
downstream PE MAY immediately update its<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reach=
ability condition changes.<br>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">[SLI] I understa=
nd the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional feature, however the second =
=E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">GIM2&gt;&gt;=
=C2=A0 Thank you for the clarification. The UMH list will certainly be upda=
ted once the reachability of the downstream PE changes. In some scenarios, =
such an update may be immediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it might be bette=
r to delay it. Would you suggest adding a note about the option to delay th=
e update?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on=
 this point ? I=E2=80=99m not enough expert here to tell what may be the be=
st option. On my side, I just want the text to be clear=C2=A0</span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=
=F0=9F=98=8A</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">What do y=
ou think of the use of the normative language in the newly updated text?</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">Best regards,</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">Greg</span><u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Tue=
, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><u></u><u></u><=
/p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bott=
om:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;marg=
in:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Greg,<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>More inline,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><blockquote sty=
le=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> mercredi 4=
 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 23:22<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>; BESS &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"m=
ailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a><br><=
b>Subject:</b> RE: Shepherd&#39;s review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failo=
ver</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Stephane,<u></u>=
<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">thank you for the review and your th=
oughtful=C2=A0comments. Please find my answers and notes in-lined under GIM=
&gt;&gt; tag.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Attached, =
please find the diff and copy of the working version.<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Greg<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<br><br>=C2=A0<br><br>Please find=
 below my review of the document.<br><br>=C2=A0<br><br><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>Nits:<br><br>=C2=A0<br><br><br>Section 3.1.1: <br><br>As the document is s=
tandard track, could you introduce normative language in the expected behav=
ior description ?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:11.3pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></=
div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">GIM2&gt;&gt; My apologies, I&#39;ve pasted the same text twice. =
</span>I propose to remove &quot;may be omitted&quot; altogether. Hence the=
 updated text:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I=
f BGP next-hop tracking is done for VPN routes and the root address<br>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0of a given tunnel happens to be the same as the next-hop address =
in<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the BGP auto-discovery route advertising the tunnel, the=
n the use of this<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0mechanism for the tunnel will not bring any specific benefit.=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you see this version with=
out any normative language as acceptable?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] Looks good than=
ks<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><b=
lockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bor=
der-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm =
5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<br>Section 3.1.2:<br><br>As the document is standard track, could you intr=
oduce normative language in the expected behavior description ?<br><br>=C2=
=A0<br><br></span>=E2=80=9CThis method should not be used=E2=80=9D. Wouldn=
=E2=80=99t this be a normative statement ?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Would the following modification of the text be =
acceptable:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">OLD TEXT:<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0This method s=
hould not be used when there is a fast restoration<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanis=
m (such as MPLS FRR [RFC4090]) in place for the link.<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">NEW TEXT:<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Using this me=
thod when a fast restoration mechanism (such as MPLS FRR<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0[R=
FC4090]) is in place for the link requires careful consideration<br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0and coordination of defect detection intervals for the link and the<b=
r>=C2=A0 =C2=A0tunnel.=C2=A0 In many cases, it is not practical to use both=
 methods at<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the same time.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">[SLI] Are we strongly disencouraging the practice ? if yes, =E2=80=
=9Cit is not practical=E2=80=9D is a bit too soft. I=E2=80=99m wondering if=
 =E2=80=9Cis NOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D could be a good wording. But it is up=
 to you.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM2&gt;&gt; The use of OAM in multi-layer fashion i=
s a question I&#39;d be interested to discuss. But I feel that it deserves =
a separate document and would prefer to leave the text as a note of caution=
 for now.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">[SLI] Ok<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"=
border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><di=
v><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u=
><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br><br>Section 3.1=
.4:<br><br>As the document is standard track, could you introduce normative=
 language in the expected behavior description ?<br></span>GIM&gt;&gt; Upda=
ting to the normative language as follows:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">OLD TEXT:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0A PE can be removed from the UMH candidate list for a giv=
en (C-S,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I or S, depending) for this =
(S, G) is leaf<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason i=
nternal to the protocol<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the =
tunnel from P to PE cannot be<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, th=
e downstream PE can immediately update its<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the rea=
chability condition changes.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">NEW TEXT:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0A PE MAY be removed from the UMH candidate list for a given (C-S,<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0C-G) if the P-tunnel (I-PMSI or S-PMSI) for this (S, G) is lea=
f-<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered (PIM, mLDP), but for some reason internal to t=
he protocol<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the upstream one-hop branch of the tunnel from =
P to PE cannot be<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0built.=C2=A0 In this case, the downstream=
 PE MAY immediately update its<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0UMH when the reachability co=
ndition changes.<br>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US">[SLI] I understand the first =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D as optional=
 feature, however the second =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D is more a =E2=80=9CSHOUL=
D=E2=80=9D IMO. Thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><=
/blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM2&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 Thank you for th=
e clarification. The UMH list will certainly be updated once the reachabili=
ty of the downstream PE changes. In some scenarios, such an update may be i=
mmediate, i.e., ASAP, but in some, it might be better to delay it. Would yo=
u suggest adding a note about the option to delay the update?<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] Could you check with Jeffrey Zhang on this point =
? I=E2=80=99m not enough expert here to tell what may be the best option. O=
n my side, I just want the text to be clear </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span=
><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:=
none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm =
0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ma=
rgin-bottom:12pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>=C2=A0<br>Section 3.1.6:<br><br>As the document i=
s standard track, could you introduce normative language in the expected be=
havior description ?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">GIM&gt;&gt; Sub-sections of 3.1.6 define t=
he use of RFC 8562 and the new attribute. In the introduction to these sub-=
sections, I propose s/can/MAY/<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>&gt;From a wider perspective, do you forese=
e other use case of signaling BFD information in BGP ? </span>I=E2=80=99m j=
ust wondering if we may need something extensible for future use or not.<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Great question=
. BGP, and I&#39;m speculating here, may be used to for other BFD-related s=
cenarios. <span lang=3D"EN-US">I think that we may use the Flags field.<br>=
[SLI] Is it enough or should you add some optional TLVs behind the discrimi=
nator ? (with nothing defined yet).</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></d=
iv></div></blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM2&gt;&gt; Great idea, =
thank you! Please see the updated figure and the text:<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 =
9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0BFD Mode =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 BFD Discriminator =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 Reserved =C2=A0TLV =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br><br><br><br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Format of the BFD Di=
scriminator Attribute<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Where:<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 BFD Mode is the one octet long field.=C2=A0 This specification defines<=
br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the P2MP value (TBA3) Section 7.1.<br><br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved field is three octets long and the value MUST be zer=
oed<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 on transmission and ignored on receipt.<br><br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Discriminator is four octets long field.<br><br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reserved TLV field is four octets long.=C2=A0 It MAY b=
e used for future<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 extensions of the BFD Discriminat=
or Attribute using Type-Length-<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Value format.=C2=A0=
 This specification defines that the value in<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reser=
ved TLV field MUST be zeroed on transmission and ignored on<u></u><u></u></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 receipt.<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[SLI] If your field is 4-bytes long, it is not=
 extensible, I was thinking of options encoded as TLVs.</span><u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">If there is no TLV, the at=
tribute ends on BFD discriminator, the attribute length should tell if ther=
e are TLVs or not.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00=
 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0BFD Mode =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BFD Discriminator =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 optional TLVs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Another point I =
have missed, you should define error handling procedures for your attribute=
 as per RFC7606.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border=
-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:11.3pt"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><bl=
ockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bord=
er-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5=
pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom=
:12pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br><br>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></block=
quote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Advertising IPv4 Network Layer Reachability Information with an IPv6 Next Hop
        Authors         : Stephane Litkowski
                          Swadesh Agrawal
                          Krishna Muddenahally Ananthamurthy
                          Keyur Patel
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-rfc5549revision-03.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2020-02-11

Abstract:
   Multiprotocol BGP (MP-BGP) specifies that the set of usable next-hop
   address families is determined by the Address Family Identifier (AFI)
   and the Subsequent Address Family Identifier (SAFI).  The current
   AFI/SAFI definitions for the IPv4 address family only have provisions
   for advertising a Next Hop address that belongs to the IPv4 protocol
   when advertising IPv4 Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI)
   or VPN-IPv4 NLRI.  This document specifies the extensions necessary
   to allow advertising IPv4 NLRI or VPN-IPv4 NLRI with a Next Hop
   address that belongs to the IPv6 protocol.  This comprises an
   extension of the AFI/SAFI definitions to allow the address of the
   Next Hop for IPv4 NLRI or VPN-IPv4 NLRI to also belong to the IPv6
   protocol, the encoding of the Next Hop to determine which of the
   protocols the address actually belongs to, and a new BGP Capability
   allowing MP-BGP Peers to dynamically discover whether they can
   exchange IPv4 NLRI and VPN-IPv4 NLRI with an IPv6 Next Hop.


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Have gone over the draft and support the adoption.
This is imperative for multi-homing scenarios.

Thanks.

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<div>Have gone over the draft and support the adoption. </div>
<div>This is imperative for multi-homing scenarios.</div>
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Support.  I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR.

Thanks

Gyan

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 2:45 PM Vishal Garg <vishalg=3D
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> Support as co-author. I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR.
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> Thanks
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> Vishal
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> *From: *Selvakumar Sivaraj <ssivaraj@juniper.net>
> *Date: *Monday, February 10, 2020 at 11:34 AM
> *To: *Wen Lin <wlin@juniper.net>, "UTTARO, JAMES" <ju1738@att.com>, "
> EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" <zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn>, "
> slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>
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g"
> <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
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> Support as co-author. I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR.
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> Thanks,
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> Selvakumar
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>
>
>
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> *From: *Wen Lin <wlin@juniper.net>
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:00 AM
> *To: *"UTTARO, JAMES" <ju1738@att.com>, "EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" <
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> Support as a co-author.  Juniper also has released code for this feature.
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> I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR.
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> Thanks,
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> Wen
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> draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org>, "bess-chairs@ietf.or=
g"
> <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll
> fordraft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir
>
>
>
> *Support*
>
>
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *              Jim Uttaro*
>
>
>
> *From:* BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *
> zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 04, 2020 9:00 AM
> *To:* slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
> *Cc:* bess-chairs@ietf.org;
> draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll
> fordraft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir
>
>
>
> I read this draft and support the adoption.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> =E5=8E=9F=E5=A7=8B=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6
>
> *=E5=8F=91**=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A*slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <slitkows=
.ietf@gmail.com>
>
> *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A*'BESS' <bess@ietf.org>;
> draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org <
> draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org>;
>
> *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A*bess-chairs@ietf.org <bess-chairs@i=
etf.org>;
>
> *=E6=97=A5* *=E6=9C=9F* *=EF=BC=9A*2020=E5=B9=B402=E6=9C=8804=E6=97=A5 21=
:50
>
> *=E4=B8=BB* *=E9=A2=98* *=EF=BC=9A**[bess] WG adoption and IP poll
> fordraft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir*
>
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> Hi,
>
>
>
> This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for
> draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir [1]
>
> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group
> list.
>
>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
>
>
> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won=
't
> progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.
>
> Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>
>
>
> If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please
> explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been
> disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
>
> This poll for adoption closes on 18th Feb 2020.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Stephane and Matthew
>
>
>
> [1]
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Gyan  Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology

Verizon

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

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<div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto">Support.=C2=A0 I am unaware of any un=
disclosed IPR.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 10, =
2020 at 2:45 PM Vishal Garg &lt;vishalg=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40juniper.net@d=
marc.ietf.org">40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_-6005252145811357897WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Support=
 as co-author.=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:black">I am unaware of any =
undisclosed IPR</span><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;color:black">.</span>=
<span style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0<=
/span><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Vishal<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-=
US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-6005252145811357897Word=
Section1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From=
: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Selvakumar Sivara=
j &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssivaraj@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">ssivaraj@ju=
niper.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 10, 2020 at 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Wen Lin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wlin@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank=
">wlin@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &quot;UTTARO, JAMES&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:ju1738@att.com" target=3D"_blank">ju1738@att.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D=
"mailto:EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_blank">EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.c=
om.cn</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_bl=
ank">zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-i=
r@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@iet=
f.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimize=
d-ir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll fordraft-wsv-bess-extend=
ed-evpn-optimized-ir<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wlin@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank"=
>wlin@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssivaraj@juniper.net" targ=
et=3D"_blank">ssivaraj@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishalg@j=
uniper.net" target=3D"_blank">vishalg@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">jorge.rabadan@nokia.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Monday, February 10, 2020 at 11:34 AM<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Support as co-autho=
r. </span>
<span style=3D"color:black">I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR</span><span=
 style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;color:black">.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Thanks,</span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Selvakumar</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From=
: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Wen Lin &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:wlin@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank">wlin@juniper.net</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;UTTARO, JAMES&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ju1738@att.com" =
target=3D"_blank">ju1738@att.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:EXT-zhang=
.zheng@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_blank">EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_blank">zhang.zheng@=
zte.com.cn</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkow=
s.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-i=
r@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@iet=
f.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimize=
d-ir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll fordraft-wsv-bess-extend=
ed-evpn-optimized-ir<br>
<b>Resent-From: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-To: </b>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wlin@juniper.net" target=3D"_blank"=
>wlin@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ssivaraj@juniper.net" targ=
et=3D"_blank">ssivaraj@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishalg@j=
uniper.net" target=3D"_blank">vishalg@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:jorge.rabadan@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">jorge.rabadan@nokia.com</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Resent-Date: </b>Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:00 AM</span><u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Support as a co-author.=C2=A0 Juniper also has relea=
sed code for this feature.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR.<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Wen<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From=
: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">BESS &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</=
a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;UTTARO, JAMES&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ju1738@=
att.com" target=3D"_blank">ju1738@att.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 9:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_b=
lank">EXT-zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhang.zhen=
g@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_blank">zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn</a>&gt;, &quot;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail=
.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-i=
r@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@iet=
f.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimize=
d-ir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll fordraft-wsv-bess-extend=
ed-evpn-optimized-ir</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#7030a0">Su=
pport</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#7030a0">=
=C2=A0</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#7030a0">Th=
anks,</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#7030a0">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Jim Uttaro</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#7030a0">=
=C2=A0</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces=
@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>
<a href=3D"mailto:zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn" target=3D"_blank">zhang.zheng@zte=
.com.cn</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sli=
tkows.ietf@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-c=
hairs@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimize=
d-ir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@=
ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.=
org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll fordraft-wsv-bess-extend=
ed-evpn-optimized-ir<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
">I read this draft and support the adoption.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
">Sandy</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
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ght:21.0pt;background:#e0e5e9">
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=E5=A7=8B</span><span style=3D"font-family:MingLiU;color:#1388ff">=E9=82=AE=
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:#1388ff">=E4=
=BB=B6</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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font-family:MingLiU;color:black">=E5=8F=91</span></strong><strong><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=
=BC=9A</span></strong><span class=3D"m_-6005252145811357897zreadusername"><=
span style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.=
ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#f5f6f8"><strong><span style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=
=EF=BC=9A</span></strong><span class=3D"m_-6005252145811357897zreadusername=
"><span style=3D"color:black">&#39;BESS&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@iet=
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bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-=
extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org</a>
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target=3D"_blank">draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org</a>&gt=
;;</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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=EF=BC=9A</span></strong><span class=3D"m_-6005252145811357897zreadusername=
"><span style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org" targe=
t=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;;</span></span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
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font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">=E6=97=A5</span></strong><st=
rong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
>
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lor:black">=E6=9C=9F</span></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
</span></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;co=
lor:black">=EF=BC=9A</span></strong><span style=3D"color:black">2020</span>=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">=E5=B9=B4</sp=
an><span style=3D"color:black">02</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS=
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span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">=E6=97=
=A5</span><span style=3D"color:black">
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font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;color:black">=E4=B8=BB</span></strong><st=
rong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
>
</span></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-family:MingLiU;color:black">=E9=
=A2=98</span></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:black">
</span></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;;co=
lor:black">=EF=BC=9A</span></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">[bess] WG adoption and IP poll ford=
raft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir</span></strong><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">_____________________=
__________________________<br>
BESS=C2=A0mailing=C2=A0list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:BESS@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">BESS@ietf.org</a><br>
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org_mailman_listinfo_bess&amp;d=3DDwQGaQ&amp;c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&amp=
;r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&amp;m=3DT2V6NlWDOa-h0yqE2sJnAuAD8ab9LVClxX9Do5S=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for d=
raft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir [1]<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Please review the draft and pos=
t any comments to the BESS working group list.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are also=C2=A0polling for kn=
owledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure tha=
t IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
 (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are listed as an author =
or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicat=
e whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed
 IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won&#39;t progress withou=
t answers from all the authors and contributors.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Currently, there are no IPR dis=
closures against this document.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are not listed as an aut=
hor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware =
of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance
 with IETF rules.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This poll for adoption closes o=
n 18th Feb 2020. =C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Stephane and Matthew</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[1]
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatrack=
er.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dwsv-2Dbess-2Dextended-2Devpn-2Doptimized-2Dir_&amp;=
d=3DDwMGaQ&amp;c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&amp;r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&am=
p;m=3DT2V6NlWDOa-h0yqE2sJnAuAD8ab9LVClxX9Do5SXglg&amp;s=3DORfJfU_4k4JZyIAPn=
AEvPznq3_ZTmuNFoBbbNkGgG7A&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir/=
</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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Support the adoption of the draft.

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This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-wsv-bess-extended-=
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lt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-wsv-bess-=
extended-evpn-optimized-ir [1]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">We are also&nbsp;polling for knowledge of any=
 undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been=
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 (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).</span><span lang=3D=
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or of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or n=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This poll for adoption closes on 18th Feb 202=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : EVPN multi-homing port-active load-balancing
        Authors         : Patrice Brissette
                          Ali Sajassi
                          Bin Wen
                          Edward Leyton
                          Jorge Rabadan
                          Luc Andre Burdet
                          Samir Thoria
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-mh-pa-00.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2020-02-17

Abstract:
   The Multi-Chassis Link Aggregation Group (MC-LAG) technology enables
   the establishment of a logical link-aggregation connection with a
   redundant group of independent nodes.  The purpose of multi-chassis
   LAG is to provide a solution to achieve higher network availability,
   while providing different modes of sharing/balancing of traffic.
   EVPN standard defines EVPN based MC-LAG with single-active and all-
   active multi-homing load-balancing mode.  The current draft expands
   on existing redundancy mechanisms supported by EVPN and introduces
   support of port-active load-balancing mode.  In the current document,
   port-active load-balancing mode is also referred to as per interface
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The document is adopted as a WG document.

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From: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>=20
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Subject: WG adoption and IP poll for =
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Hi,

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This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for =
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Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group =
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We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to =
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IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

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If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Despite the limited number of =
replies, we have seen enough support and no objection to progress =
further.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The document is adopted as a WG =
document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Authors, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Please republish the doc using =
-ietf-.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Stephane<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> slitkows.ietf@gmail.com =
&lt;slitkows.ietf@gmail.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> mardi 4 f=C3=A9vrier =
2020 05:50<br><b>To:</b> 'BESS' &lt;bess@ietf.org&gt;; =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> =
bess-chairs@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> WG adoption and IP poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir [1]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
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working group list.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed =
in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 =
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Hi Patrice,

=20

We have seen support from various people which means that there is =
interest, at least enough to make the document adopted.

=20

If you had some comments and objections you were completely free to =
raise your voice during the adoption call, but not after the adoption =
has been closed.

You are also free to comment after the adoption to help the work =
progressing.

=20

Brgds,

=20

Stephane

=20

=20

From: Patrice Brissette (pbrisset) <pbrisset@cisco.com>=20
Sent: mercredi 19 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 10:17
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; 'BESS' <bess@ietf.org>; =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir

=20

Stephane,

=20

Due to the limited number of replies, can you quantify the importance of =
this draft?

It is only v01.=20

Regards,

Patrice Brissette, Principal Engineer

Cisco Systems

Help us track your SP SR/EVPN Customer Opportunity/Status by filling =
these forms:  =
<https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/185833ace35b4894b324dfb8afbd2060> =
Segment Routing /  =
<https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/136bd5c3a22641bf92316523e79d6f22> =
EVPN

=20

 <http://e-vpn.io> http://e-vpn.io,  <http://go2.cisco.com/evpn> =
http://go2.cisco.com/evpn

=20

=20

=20

=20

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org> > on =
behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> " =
<slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> >
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 21:18
To: 'BESS' <bess@ietf.org <mailto:bess@ietf.org> >, =
"draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org =
<mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org> " =
<draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org =
<mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org> >
Cc: "bess-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org> " =
<bess-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org> >
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir

=20

Hi,

=20

Despite the limited number of replies, we have seen enough support and =
no objection to progress further.

The document is adopted as a WG document.

=20

Authors,=20

=20

Please republish the doc using -ietf-.

=20

=20

Thanks,

=20

Stephane

=20

=20

From: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>  =
<slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> >=20
Sent: mardi 4 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 05:50
To: 'BESS' <bess@ietf.org <mailto:bess@ietf.org> >; =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org =
<mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org>=20
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>=20
Subject: WG adoption and IP poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir

=20

Hi,

=20

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir [1]

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group =
list.

=20

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to =
this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with =
IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=20

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please =
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any =
relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document =
won't progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.

=20

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please =
explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet =
been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=20

This poll for adoption closes on 18th Feb 2020. =20

=20

Regards,

Stephane and Matthew

=20

[1] =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-i=
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi =
Patrice,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We have seen support from various =
people which means that there is interest, at least enough to make the =
document adopted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If you had some comments and =
objections you were completely free to raise your voice during the =
adoption call, but not after the adoption has been =
closed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You are also free to comment after =
the adoption to help the work progressing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Brgds,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Stephane<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Patrice Brissette =
(pbrisset) &lt;pbrisset@cisco.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> mercredi 19 =
f=C3=A9vrier 2020 10:17<br><b>To:</b> slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; 'BESS' =
&lt;bess@ietf.org&gt;; =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> =
bess-chairs@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP =
poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Stephane,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Due to the limited number of replies, can you quantify the =
importance of this draft?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>It is only v01. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'layout-grid-mode:char'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>Patrice Brissette, Principal =
Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'layout-grid-mode:char'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>Cisco Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'layout-grid-mode:char'><b><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0070C0'>=
Help us track your SP SR/EVPN Customer Opportunity/Status by filling =
these forms:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/185833ace35b4894b324dfb8afbd206=
0"><span style=3D'color:#0070C0'>Segment =
Routing</span></a>&nbsp;/&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/136bd5c3a22641bf92316523e79d6f2=
2"><span =
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lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>BESS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on =
behalf of &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&quot;=
 &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com">slitkows.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 21:18<br><b>To: </b>'BESS' =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org">draft-=
wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org">draft-=
wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: =
</b>&quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot; =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [bess] WG adoption and IP poll for =
draft-wsv-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>Despite the limited =
number of replies, we have seen enough support and no objection to =
progress further.</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>The =
document is adopted as a WG document.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>Authors, </span><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>Please republish the doc =
using -ietf-.</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Thanks,</span><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><span =
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&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a =
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Extended Procedures for EVPN Optimized Ingress Replication
        Authors         : Wen Lin
                          Selvakumar Sivaraj
                          Vishal Garg
                          Jorge Rabadan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-extended-evpn-optimized-ir-00.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2020-02-19

Abstract:
   [EVPN-AR] specifies an optimized ingress replication solution for
   more efficient multicast and broadcast delivery in a Network
   Virtualization Overlay (NVO) network for EVPN.

   This document extends the optimized ingress replication procedures
   specified in [EVPN-AR] to overcome the limitation that an AR-
   REPLICATOR may have.  An AR-REPLICATOR may be unable to retain the
   source IP address or include the expected ESI label that is required
   for EVPN split horizon filtering when replicating the packet on
   behalf of its multihomed AR-LEAF.  Under this circumstance, the
   extended procedures specified in this document allows the support of
   EVPN multihoming on the AR-LEAFs as well as optimized ingress
   replication for the rest of the EVPN overlay network.



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Hi Authors,

 

 

Here is my review of the document:

 

Please look at the nits and fix them.

 
<https://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf
t-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-05.txt>
https://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft
-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-05.txt

 

 

Section 3:

*	Is the DF preference field only there when DF Alg=2 ? I mean if DF
Alg !=2, can the reserved field be encoded differently ? This should be
clear IMO.

 

Section 4.1:

        " Note that, by default, the Highest-Preference is chosen for each

       ES or vES, however the ES configuration can be changed to the

       Lowest-Preference algorithm as long as this option is consistent

       in all the PEs in the ES.

I don't think it is a good idea to open this modification. People can play
with preference values to achieve the required behavior while always keeping
high pref.

We have no way to ensure consistency, except if we advertise the behavior as
part of the exct. Consistency of DF election is key and needs to be ensured
as much as we can.

 

In case of equal Preference in two or more PEs in the ES, the
       tie-breakers will be the DP bit and the lowest IP PE, in that
       order.  For instance:

The sentence is not clear enough and must use normative language.

Example: In case of equal Preference between two or more PEs in the ES, an
implementation MUST first prefer PEs advertising the DP bit set and then
prefer the PE with the lowest IP address.

Which IP address are we talking about exactly here ?

 

 

Section 4.3:

Typo on:

A new "Don't Preempt Me" capability is defined on a per-PE per-ES
       Basis
 
Should be : "A new "Don't Preempt Me" capability is defined on a per-PE
       basis

 

s/however this document do not enforces the/however this document does not
enforce the/
Question: Why don't you enforce consistency ? What is the side effect of not
ensuring consistency ?
 
 
"When PE3's vES2 comes back up, PE3 will start a boot-timer (if
       booting up) or hold-timer (if the port or EVC recovers).  That
       timer will allow some time for PE3 to receive the ES routes from
       PE1 and PE2. >
 
Are you changing the way the DF election works ? Usually, PE advertises its
route and then wait to receive other routes.
What happens if all PEs on the ES are failing at the same time or the ES
booting up on all the PEs at the same time ? you have no way to hear what is
the pref from the remote.
 
Shouldn't the "no preemption" thing be valuable being agnostic to DF Alg ?
 
On 6)
Consider that we had:
PE3 advertising <300,1>
PE2 advertising <200,1>
PE1 advertising <100,1>
 
PE3 fails and come back, advertising [200,0], leading to PE2 being DF.
PE2 fails, but in a similar time PE1 changes its pref to 250. This leads to
PE1 being DF while in this case PE3 should be DF because it should have
recovered its preference but it can't.
 
 
References:
I think vES should be set as normative as people really need to understand
what vES is to understand the document.
 

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane

 


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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Authors,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Here is my review of the document:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Please look at the nits and fix =
them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=3Dhttps://www.ietf.org/arc=
hive/id/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-05.txt"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>https://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits?url=3Dhttps://www.ietf.or=
g/archive/id/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-05.txt</span></a><o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Section 3:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span lang=3DEN-US>Is =
the DF preference field only there when DF Alg=3D2 ? I mean if DF Alg =
!=3D2, can the reserved field be encoded differently ? This should be =
clear IMO.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Section 4.1:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt;background:#FFFDF5'><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#8220; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Note =
that, by default, the Highest-Preference is chosen for =
each<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:FR'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; ES or vES, however the ES configuration can be changed to =
the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:FR'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Lowest-Preference algorithm as long as this option is =
consistent<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:FR'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; in all the PEs in the ES.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>I don&#8217;t think it is a good =
idea to open this modification. People can play with preference values =
to achieve the required behavior while always keeping high =
pref.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>We =
have no way to ensure consistency, except if we advertise the behavior =
as part of the exct. Consistency of DF election is key and needs to be =
ensured as much as we can.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt;background:#FFFDF5'><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>In case of equal Preference in =
two or more PEs in the ES, the<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; tie-breakers will be the DP bit and the lowest IP PE, in =
that<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; order.&nbsp; For instance:<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>The sentence is not clear enough =
and must use normative language.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Example: In case of equal =
Preference between two or more PEs in the ES, an implementation MUST =
first prefer PEs advertising the DP bit set and then prefer the PE with =
the lowest IP address.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Which IP address are we talking about exactly here =
?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Section 4.3:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Typo on:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt;background:#FFFDF5'><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>A new &quot;Don't Preempt =
Me&quot; capability is defined on a per-PE =
per-ES<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; Basis<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre=
 =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Should be =
: &#8220;</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>A new &quot;Don't Preempt =
Me&quot; capability is defined on a per-PE<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.9pt;background:#FFFDF5;word-break:break-all;bord=
er:none;padding:0cm'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>basis<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=3DEN-US>s/<span =
style=3D'color:black'>however this document do not enforces the/however =
this document does not enforce =
the/<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>Question: Why don&#8217;t you enforce consistency =
? What is the side effect of not ensuring consistency =
?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&#8220;<span style=3D'color:black'>When PE3's vES2 comes =
back up, PE3 will start a boot-timer =
(if<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; booting up) =
or hold-timer (if the port or EVC recovers).&nbsp; =
That<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; timer will =
allow some time for PE3 to receive the ES routes =
from<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'>PE1 and =
PE2.&nbsp;&raquo;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Are you changing the way the DF =
election works ? Usually, PE advertises its route and then wait to =
receive other routes.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>What happens if all PEs on the ES are failing at =
the same time or the ES booting up on all the PEs at the same time ? you =
have no way to hear what is the pref from the =
remote.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Shouldn&#8217;t the &#8220;no =
preemption&#8221; thing be valuable being agnostic to DF Alg =
?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>On =
6)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>Consider that we =
had:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>PE3 advertising =
&lt;300,1&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>PE2 advertising =
&lt;200,1&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>PE1 advertising =
&lt;100,1&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>PE3 fails and come back, advertising =
[200,0], leading to PE2 being DF.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>PE2 fails, but in a similar time PE1 =
changes its pref to 250. This leads to PE1 being DF while in this case =
PE3 should be DF because it should have recovered its preference but it =
can&#8217;t.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>References:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>I think vES should be set as =
normative as people really need to understand what vES is to understand =
the document.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Brgds,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Stephane<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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Hi WG,

 

This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [2]

 

Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please
indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.

 

This poll runs until 11th March 2020.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from
all the Authors and Contributors. 

There is currently one IPR disclosed.  

 
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-bess-ev
pn-irb-mcast>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-bess-evp
n-irb-mcast

 

We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please
indicate if you are aware of any implementations.

 Thank you,

Stephane

 

[1]
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw>
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw

[2]  <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/

 


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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Hi =
WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>This email =
starts a two weeks Working Group<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> =
Last Call&nbsp;</span>on </span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [2]</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:black'>Please review =
the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please indicate =
if you support publishing the draft as a standards track =
RFC.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>This poll runs until 11th March 2020.</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: =
normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t0><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>We are also polling for =
knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to =
ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules =
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more =
details).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t0><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>If you are listed as an =
Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this email =
and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed =
IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors =
and Contributors.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There is =
currently one IPR disclosed.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&amp;id=3D=
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast"><span =
lang=3DEN-US>https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&amp;=
id=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>We are also =
polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please indicate if =
you are aware of any implementations.</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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t style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;Thank you,</span><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintex=
t style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Stephane</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: =
normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'>[1]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdk=
jqDpw" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:#044A91'>https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1t=
Tqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</span></a></span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>[2] </span><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/"=
><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mc=
ast/</span></a><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Support. This draft is needed and used within my customer architectures
The draft is ready to be published

G/

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 15:25
To: 'BESS' <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-=
irb-mcast-04

Hi WG,

This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-ev=
pn-irb-mcast-04 [2]

Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, pleas=
e indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.

This poll runs until 11th March 2020.


We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res=
pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan=
t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the=
 Authors and Contributors.

There is currently one IPR disclosed.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-bes=
s-evpn-irb-mcast



We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please indi=
cate if you are aware of any implementations.

 Thank you,

Stephane

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Support. This draft=
 is needed and used within my customer architectures<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The draft is ready =
to be published<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">G/<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> BESS &lt;bess-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>slitkows.ietf@gmail.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 15:25<br>
<b>To:</b> 'BESS' &lt;bess@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bess-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bes=
s-evpn-irb-mcast-04<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">This email starts a two =
weeks Working Group<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> Last Call&nbsp;</=
span>on
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [2]</span><sp=
an style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Please review the draft =
and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please indicate if you suppor=
t publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps=
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st: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">This poll runs until 11th March 2020.</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext0"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">We are also polling for knowledge of=
 any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has =
been disclosed in compliance with IETF
 IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext0"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">If you are listed as an Author or a =
Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and indicate whet=
her or not you are aware of any relevant
 undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the =
Authors and Contributors.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">There is currently one IP=
R disclosed.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span lang=3D"FR"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?=
submit=3Ddraft&amp;id=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&amp;id=3Ddraft-ie=
tf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">We are also polling for a=
ny existing implementation as per [1]. Please indicate if you are aware of =
any implementations.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;c=
olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;Thank you,</span><span l=
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Hi Matthew, et al.,
I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR related to this draft.

I support the adoption of this draft by BESS WG (as co-author).

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:42 AM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <
matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for
> draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd-04 [1] .
>
>
>
> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group
> list.
>
>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
>
>
> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't
> progress without answers from all the authors and contributors.
>
>
>
> Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>
>
>
> If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please
> explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been
> disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
>
> This poll for adoption closes on Wednesday 11th March 2020.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthew and Stephane
>
>
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd/
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Matthew, et al.,<div>I am not aware of any undisclosed =
IPR related to this draft.</div><div><br></div><div>I support the adoption =
of this draft by BESS WG (as co-author).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<=
/div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:42 AM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia -=
 GB) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matthew.bocci@nokia.com">matthew.bocci@nokia.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-GB">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_4233311991346362384WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hello,<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">This email begins a two-weeks WG<span class=3D"=
gmail-m_4233311991346362384apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><span=
 style=3D"color:white;background:rgb(106,90,0)">adoption</span><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_4233311991346362384apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"color:=
black">=C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"color:black">poll
 for draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd-04 [1] .<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">Please review the draft and post any comments t=
o the BESS working group list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u=
ndisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been d=
isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5=
378 for more details).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">If you are listed as an author or a contributor=
 of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not=
 you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li=
st. The document won&#39;t progress without
 answers from all the authors and contributors.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against=
 this document.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">If you are not listed as an author or a contrib=
utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that =
has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">This poll for<span class=3D"gmail-m_42333119913=
46362384apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"color:whi=
te;background:rgb(106,90,0)">adoption</span><span class=3D"gmail-m_42333119=
91346362384apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span>=
</span><span style=3D"color:black">closes
 on Wednesday 11th March 2020. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">Matthew<span class=3D"gmail-m_42333119913463623=
84apple-converted-space">=C2=A0and Stephane</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">[1]=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/doc/draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/doc/draft-gmsm-bess-evpn-bfd/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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Support and not aware of any IPR

Yours Irrespectively,

John



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From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:29 AM
To: draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: REMINDER Re: [bess] WG Last Call, IPR and Implementation Poll for =
draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-04

WG

I have only seen one IPR responses to this WG last call and no comments. I =
will therefore extend it for another two weeks.

Regards

Matthew

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com<mailto:matthew.bo=
cci@nokia.com>>
Date: Monday, 10 February 2020 at 16:17
To: "draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-dat=
acenter-gateway@ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org<mai=
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Subject: [bess] WG Last Call, IPR and Implementation Poll for draft-ietf-be=
ss-datacenter-gateway-04

This email starts a two-week working group last call for draft-ietf-bess-da=
tacenter-gateway-04
Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, pleas=
e indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.

This poll runs until Monday 24th February 2020.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this document please res=
pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan=
t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the=
 Authors and Contributors.

There is currently no IPR disclosed.

We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please indi=
cate if you are aware of any implementations of the modified protocol descr=
ibed in this draft.

 Thank you,

Matthew

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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) &lt;matthew.b=
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<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> REMINDER Re: [bess] WG Last Call, IPR and Implementation Po=
ll for draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-04<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I have only seen one IPR respon=
ses to this WG last call and no comments. I will therefore extend it for an=
other two weeks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">BESS &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &qu=
ot;Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matthew.bocci@no=
kia.com">matthew.bocci@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 10 February 2020 at 16:17<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.=
org">draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
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tf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[bess] WG Last Call, IPR and Implementation Poll for draft-=
ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-04</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:b=
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<h1><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:normal">This em=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Please review the draft =
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<span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;tex=
t-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stro=
ke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">This poll runs until Monday 24<sup>th</sup> Feb=
ruary 2020.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;tex=
t-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stro=
ke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps=
: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adju=
st: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">We are also polling for knowledg=
e of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR =
has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, =
3669 and 5378 for more details).</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">If you ar=
e listed as an Author or a Contributor of this document please respond to t=
his email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undiscl=
osed IPR. The Document won't progress
 without answers from all the Authors and Contributors.&nbsp;</span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span style=3D"color:black">There is currently no IPR disclosed.&nbsp;=
&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-t=
ext-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">We are also polling for any existing implementa=
tion as per [1]. Please indicate if you are aware of any implementations of=
 the modified protocol described in this draft.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
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ws: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;care=
t-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;Thank you,</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
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ws: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;care=
t-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">Matthew</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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t-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stro=
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<span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></=
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<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">[1]<span class=3D"apple-converte=
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Support and not aware of any IPR

Yours Irrespectively,

John



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Subject: [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-=
irb-mcast-04

Hi WG,

This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-ev=
pn-irb-mcast-04 [2]

Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, pleas=
e indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.

This poll runs until 11th March 2020.


We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res=
pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan=
t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the=
 Authors and Contributors.

There is currently one IPR disclosed.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-bes=
s-evpn-irb-mcast<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/ip=
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We are also polling for any existing implementation as per [1]. Please indi=
cate if you are aware of any implementations.

 Thank you,

Stephane

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Support and not awa=
re of any IPR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Yours Irrespectivel=
y,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">John<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:black">Juniper Business Use Only</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> BESS &lt;bess-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>slitkows.ietf@gmail.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'BESS' &lt;bess@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bess-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bess] WGLC, IPR and implementation poll for draft-ietf-bes=
s-evpn-irb-mcast-04<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">This email starts a two =
weeks Working Group<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> Last Call&nbsp;</=
span>on
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [2]</span><sp=
an style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Please review the draft =
and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please indicate if you suppor=
t publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps=
: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adju=
st: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">This poll runs until 11th March 2020.</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps=
: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adju=
st: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext0"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">We are also polling for knowledge of=
 any undisclosed IPR that applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has =
been disclosed in compliance with IETF
 IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext0"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">If you are listed as an Author or a =
Contributor of this Document please respond to this email and indicate whet=
her or not you are aware of any relevant
 undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the =
Authors and Contributors.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">There is currently one IP=
R disclosed.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span lang=3D"FR"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatr=
acker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&amp;id=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb=
-mcast__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!WHjbVsuoV4mlotajgdF8i21JG985A-CegXG17c6vqynBsax2A2Nr=
pbCJ6bTnJp8$"><span lang=3D"EN-US">https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/=
?submit=3Ddraft&amp;id=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast</span></a><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">We are also polling for a=
ny existing implementation as per [1]. Please indicate if you are aware of =
any implementations.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;c=
olor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-t=
ext-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;Thank you,</span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaint=
ext" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: =
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-t=
ext-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Stephane</span><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps=
: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adju=
st: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"colo=
r:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps=
: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adju=
st: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">[1]<span class=3D"apple-converte=
d-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"https:/=
/urldefense.com/v3/__https:/mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vP=
C4rg56SEdkjqDpw__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!WHjbVsuoV4mlotajgdF8i21JG985A-CegXG17c6vqyn=
Bsax2A2NrpbCJRSuMIT0$" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:#044A91">http=
s://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</span></=
a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">[2] =
</span><span lang=3D"FR"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/data=
tracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!WHjbVs=
uoV4mlotajgdF8i21JG985A-CegXG17c6vqynBsax2A2NrpbCJF13JdWg$"><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/</spa=
n></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p=
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The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess) to
consider the following document: - 'BGP based Multi-homing in Virtual Private
LAN Service'
  <draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming-05.txt> as Proposed Standard

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Abstract


   Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) is a Layer 2 Virtual Private
   Network (VPN) that gives its customers the appearance that their
   sites are connected via a Local Area Network (LAN).  It is often
   required for the Service Provider (SP) to give the customer redundant
   connectivity to some sites, often called "multi-homing".  This memo
   shows how BGP-based multi-homing can be offered in the context of LDP
   and BGP VPLS solutions.  This document updates RFC 4761 by defining
   new flags in the Control Flags field of the Layer2 Info Extended
   Community.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming/ballot/

The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1809/
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3838/







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Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

> On Feb 26, 2020, at 09:26, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com wrote:
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> This poll runs until 11th March 2020.
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> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to t=
his Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I=
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oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Hi WG,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"c=
olor:black">This email starts a two weeks Working Group<span class=3D"apple-=
converted-space"> Last Call&nbsp;</span>on </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">draft=
-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast-04 [2]</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:b=
lack"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Please review the draft and send any com=
ments to the BESS list. Also, please indicate if you support publishing the d=
raft as a standards track RFC.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: nor=
mal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"color:black">This poll runs until 11th March 2020.</span><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;te=
xt-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stro=
ke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><=
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pt">We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to=
 this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IET=
F IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-64871772984392823=
62msoplaintext0"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">If you are l=
isted as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please respond to this e=
mail and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed I=
PR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the Authors and Con=
tributors.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"gmail-m-356648099256992086=
3gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintext"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-size:12.0pt;color:black">There is currently one IPR disclosed.&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-64871772=
98439282362msoplaintext"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/=
?submit=3Ddraft&amp;id=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&amp;id=3Ddraft-iet=
f-bess-evpn-irb-mcast</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"gmail-m-356648099=
2569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintext"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"g=
mail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msoplaintext"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">We are also polling for a=
ny existing implementation as per [1]. Please indicate if you are aware of a=
ny implementations.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;col=
or:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail=
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ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;Thank you,</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"gmail-m-3566480992569920863gmail-m-6487177298439282362msop=
laintext" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orpha=
ns: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webki=
t-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black">Stephane</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font=
-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-a=
lign:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-w=
idth: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp=
;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: nor=
mal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: au=
to;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" sty=
le=3D"color:black">[1]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"https://mailarchiv=
e.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw" target=3D"_blank"><spa=
n style=3D"color:#044A91">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tT=
qb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:bl=
ack"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt">[2] </span><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc=
/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">https://datatracker.i=
etf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-irb-mcast/</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
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><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>BESS m=
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Dear mankamana mishra,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 


    bess Session 1 (1:30 requested)
    Wednesday, 25 March 2020, Morning Session I 1000-1200
    Room Name: Regency F size: 150
    ---------------------------------------------
    bess Session 2 (1:30 requested)
    Wednesday, 25 March 2020, Afternoon Session I 1330-1500
    Room Name: Regency F size: 150
    ---------------------------------------------


iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/sessions/bess.ics

Request Information:


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Working Group Name: BGP Enabled ServiceS
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: mankamana mishra

Number of Sessions: 2
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours, 1.5 Hours
Number of Attendees: 90
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 Chair Conflict: idr nvo3
 Technology Overlap: spring sfc mpls pim bier pals



People who must be present:
  Matthew Bocci
  Martin Vigoureux
  Stephane Litkowski
  mankamana prasad mishra

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Special Requests:
  
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : SRv6 BGP based Overlay services
        Authors         : Gaurav Dawra
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Robert Raszuk
                          Bruno Decraene
                          Shunwan Zhuang
                          Jorge Rabadan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-02.txt
	Pages           : 27
	Date            : 2020-02-28

Abstract:
   This draft defines procedures and messages for SRv6-based BGP
   services including L3VPN, EVPN and Internet services.  It builds on
   RFC4364 "BGP/MPLS IP Virtual Private Networks (VPNs)" and RFC7432
   "BGP MPLS-Based Ethernet VPN".


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