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------=_NextPart_000_02C5_01D7279C.BEE61490-- From nobody Sat Apr 3 12:15:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119AC3A105A; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 12:15:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melinda Shore via Datatracker To: Cc: bess@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161747734503.26070.3557524278951744460@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Melinda Shore Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 12:15:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-07 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 19:15:45 -0000 Reviewer: Melinda Shore Review result: Ready This revision addresses concerns I raised in the last review, and looks ready for publication. It's still a tidy little document - "well done" to the authors. From nobody Mon Apr 5 12:31:30 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165593A24AE; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:31:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Kline via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Erik Kline Message-ID: <161765108480.20856.9401377526987779013@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:31:25 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 19:31:25 -0000 Erik Kline has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [ section 2.4 ] * Up to you if you want to include ICMPv6 [RFC4443] in the list of applicable mechanism. =) [ section 3.1.1.2+ ] * I can't tell what the mandatory to implement behaviour is. 3.1.1.2 says that implementations MUST support event-driven defect indication which can be categorized into two types. Both types say they SHOULD be supported. If the overall behaviour is a MUST, shouldn't one of these be MTI? Or is that not important and the point is that any implementation MUST choose at least one to support? 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That seems like a good idea to me. I tend to think of "ICMP" as covering both v4 and v6 but the only RFC reference, which was probably added later, is for v4. I'll add v6. > =) > > [ section 3.1.1.2+ ] > > * I can't tell what the mandatory to implement behaviour is. 3.1.1.2 says > that implementations MUST support event-driven defect indication which > can be categorized into two types. > > Both types say they SHOULD be supported. If the overall behaviour is > a MUST, shouldn't one of these be MTI? Or is that not important and the > point is that any implementation MUST choose at least one to support? This seems like a good point. To minimize change at this point, I can re-word to make it clear that at least one of the two types of event-driven defect indication MUST be implemented, which I believe is already implied. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Tue Apr 6 04:54:15 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042403A1DFF; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 04:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xGuVUJ9FsHUG; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 04:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3933A1DFD; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 04:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0AD5F1E459; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:16:26 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Susan Hares Cc: idr@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210406121626.GN31047@pfrc.org> References: <006e01d7166f$b257d300$17077900$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006e01d7166f$b257d300$17077900$@ndzh.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] [Idr] IDR WG last call for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01 (3/11 to 3/25/2021) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:54:13 -0000 On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 07:11:30AM -0500, Susan Hares wrote: > This begins a 2 week WG last call for > > draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry-01 from 3/11 to 3/25. > > > > You can find the draft at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ext-com-registry/ > > > > This draft suggest a cleanup on several BGP Extended Community registries in > > order to replace the "Experimental Use" registration procedure in > > some entries, since their use is clearly not experimental and thus > > misleading. > > > > In your review comments, please include whether you feel this > > draft is ready for publication. As the author of RFC 7674, cited in the draft, I believe this is appropriate cleanup. The document is ready for publication. -- Jeff (wearing his own hat...) From nobody Tue Apr 6 07:14:44 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD663A22CB; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 07:14:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=eggert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V7_dhkeBzZNE; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 07:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eggert.org (mail.eggert.org [91.190.195.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F4383A22CD; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 07:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:68eb:fc77:3b2:d84e] (unknown [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:68eb:fc77:3b2:d84e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93E08600314; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:14:23 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eggert.org; s=dkim; t=1617718463; bh=ZhOgQ8Rm8UdmOT4MoT9j9tKA+f6QXvf7P2vVq4A3WwY=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References; b=I7az+ZHPf36/yaLkPLPn55b5WI+HYGPkqsaF48Zn4Y0bM9EpsXtvWGOaomooD+fgb 95DHvlVwCWAyo+jdArDSJn86RkoLZfp3PVVreWqxS+Flb0mZ8PAVgd1TzgVwADFmTs zLe5Zcmpo8Db7WaUeVAOd+I6RGZudjUm2BRINzmc= From: Lars Eggert Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9AECF502-834F-4291-8CBE-AFBAFB9EA992"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:14:23 +0300 In-Reply-To: <161256144376.17283.10968885311559538599@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: General Area Review Team , last-call@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk.all@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org To: David Schinazi References: <161256144376.17283.10968885311559538599@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-MailScanner-ID: 93E08600314.A0EB3 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] [Last-Call] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-04 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:14:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9AECF502-834F-4291-8CBE-AFBAFB9EA992 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David, thank you for your review. I have entered a No Objection ballot = for this document. Lars > On 2021-2-5, at 23:44, David Schinazi via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: David Schinazi > Review result: Ready with Nits >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-04 > Reviewer: David Schinazi > Review Date: 2021-02-05 > IETF LC End Date: 2021-02-16 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: Thank you for a well-written document. > It introduces a lot of terminology I wasn't used to, > but does a good job of explaining it. >=20 > Major issues: None >=20 > Minor issues: None >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: > - The abstract defines all the acronyms (which is great) except PBB, = could it define that one too? > - Section 2.1 doesn't really explain what a "P node" is. >=20 >=20 > -- > last-call mailing list > last-call@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/last-call --Apple-Mail=_9AECF502-834F-4291-8CBE-AFBAFB9EA992 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEmpq0ZpSoejRmyhheVLXDCb9wwVcFAmBsbL8ACgkQVLXDCb9w wVf1kxAAqKV2NPQ/Ou6fdCaaLDpE3/Drknu4FjKLdoCoGXD6x+rX/pjq1BKHKSIb ls2Lv7e1iFQdlyG1KaERCx+ynjpJFfrk1nKuF9+DAwENKOWq5G9OiX8G9eWH/uF0 xIPZh9L2L5+NzOtKzR7DZzMXlM9PfOEV1DVZamAZzl85HFR5fmF6qS3OG7OKXn1S NWl/KZqF00QTILsA2sMdib86knMMEUSsTPMJM3woEXgAVW2bSnjqPCiehHSjI8Xm zQ+tJ1UJp9aEVexonmuYFvENBVgjk+yCWjpXQbAgR/gSbOyiX/nTOPzNZsUeCF3c hdDr6PkK7TYQ8/2ulhrBb+ljrEyYn7UzNOX8jdxqdEMTUr6b2DyUjNVYctcMtXyg rCo2+e5YXc4j4J9pvUJFOw/7Xm3n7rYkeP6IULmrjZWYCb1s3JbPoCe2zNDKlNFp gi6IdOu3YL0ZEJJGSWGt/S4jE88fdk3DnS3BBQzDq9hw4v3l+ZFcDFESPhkXwppX 6TIVF+cifX7MkY+yIA4rl1lDAkTNCjT6MDzDLL8wUKTztKEXJEkL2acIH2sFWZAd 6ixlm22YKnFjk1vkn0oDTuc9VcmOfwEeM7kJPfk43ksnd4xjsBVWboK3AusrocWf mmcZfBlMX8QcLHVNA8ZBMBJPNmfmMBP32HKCcyUF+R7P8ue+BAU= =p8kI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_9AECF502-834F-4291-8CBE-AFBAFB9EA992-- From nobody Tue Apr 6 09:27:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60BE3A279B; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 09:27:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161772646483.25226.3759421112180196418@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 09:27:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 16:27:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : EVPN Operations, Administration and Maintenance Requirements and Framework Authors : Samer Salam Ali Sajassi Sam Aldrin John E. Drake Donald E. Eastlake Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2021-04-06 Abstract: This document specifies the requirements and reference framework for Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM). The requirements cover the OAM aspects of EVPN and PBB-EVPN (Provider Backbone Bridge EVPN). The framework defines the layered OAM model encompassing the EVPN service layer, network layer, underlying Packet Switched Network (PSN) transport layer, and link layer but focuses on the service and network layers. 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Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see below. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 4:21 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) wrote: > > Dear authors, > > (Most of) these comments were made during the last IETF as > well. Thank you in advance for considering them. My apologies for missing things. > About fault detection for unicast: > > By default, it advertises this discriminator with > BGP using the BFD Discriminator Attribute [ietf-bess-mvpn-fast- > failover] with BFD Mode TBD4 in an EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement Route > [RFC7432] and extracts its peer's discriminator from such an > attribute. > > In typical EVPN deployments there are no MAC/IP advertisement routes > advertised by a PE until the PE does not learn a MAC for a locally > attached host. Based on the text above, the operator cannot > establish BFD session against an EVPN PE that has not learn a local > MAC yet. > > Is that the intent? Or is the intend to advertise a local management > MAC for the purpose of distributing the BFD discriminator required > for unicast fault detection? Or is it the MAC allocated in section > 8.2? > > Please add text is missing to clarify this. Yes, we will add text and update the draft to support BFD sessions between PEs independent of the advertisement of locally attached host MAC addresses. > Unicast mpls encapsulation > > - The destination IP port MUST be 3784 [RFC5881]. > > > s/IP port/UDP port/ OK. "source IP port" in the following line also needs to be fixed and there are a few other places in the draft that just say "source port" or "destination port" and could be clarified by adding "UDP". > The draft does not support BDF for IP multicast traffic in EVPN networks > > Is this intended? > Are you planning to address this gap? If so, text is needed and the > discriminator added to S-PMSI A-D routes. Yes, we will add text and update the draft to support BFD for IP BUM traffic in EVPN networks including adding BFD discriminator attribute to additional routes as needed. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Thanks. > Jorge From nobody Wed Apr 7 00:20:20 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC753A091C; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 00:20:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.917 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.917 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b3qmMQoBgXAB; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 00:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D20993A091B; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fraeml709-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.226]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4FFbC25llfz686sb; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 15:10:38 +0800 (CST) Received: from nkgeml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.158) by fraeml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2106.2; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:20:07 +0200 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by nkgeml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.158) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2106.2; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 15:20:05 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.2106.013; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 15:20:05 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" , "bess@ietf.org" CC: "bess-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [bess] Cross WG review request for draft-ietf-bier-evpn Thread-Index: Adcni650GUtbRbRbTfuKf2Guanv2XgD0MWKg Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 07:20:05 +0000 Message-ID: <71091ccd18ef4ead91f60108cbae9227@huawei.com> References: <02c401d7278b$fb5b6fd0$f2124f70$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <02c401d7278b$fb5b6fd0$f2124f70$@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.232.176] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_71091ccd18ef4ead91f60108cbae9227huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Cross WG review request for draft-ietf-bier-evpn X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:20:20 -0000 --_000_71091ccd18ef4ead91f60108cbae9227huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have some comments on this draft. 1. There are 3 different encapsulations VXLAN/NVGRE/GENEVE defined in this = draft, but it is not clear if there is a mandatory one for interoperable i= mplementation, or all are mandatory ? The effort to make BIER-EVPN "unified" with Unicast-EVPN (by using 3 BIER p= roto values) doesn't seem to be convenient: 1) For implementation, the existing NVO3 VXLAN/NVGRE/GENEVE forwarding modu= le (HW or SW) doesn't help much because the major gap is BIER. 2) For trouble-shooting like offline LAN analyzing (rfc8279), the existing = NVO3 VXLAN/NVGRE/GENEVE header doesn't help much because the major part is = BIER. >From my point of view, one uniform encapsulation is better because it is us= ed for one single purpose - to distinguish the tenant and still keep aligne= d with NVO3 style where "VNI" is used. 2. In section 2.1: A well-known IP multicast address (to be assigned by IANA) is used= as the destination address and the egress PEs MUST be set up to receive and process packets addressed to the address. It is not clear what are the "set up" and "process" implying. For example: 1) For implementation, does the "set up" mean an MFIB entry populated into = forwarding table ? A packet with well-known IP multicast address as destina= tion address (like 224.0.0.1) is usually sent to CPU in a multicast router = in my opinion. 2) For error-handling, how to "process" if the TTL/Hop limit field in the I= P header is 0/1/254/255 ? >From my point of view, the cost to support BIER-PHP this way is fairly high= . I am not sure if some words like "recommend" or "not recommend" can help = to do the trade-off for implementation/deployment. Thanks Jingrong From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of slitkows.ietf@gmail.= com Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 2:47 PM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] Cross WG review request for draft-ietf-bier-evpn HI folks, The BIER WG is in the last mile of review for draft-ietf-bier-evpn and requ= ests our review on the document before progressing further. Please have a deep look at it and provide your feedback or concerns. Please close the review by April 20th. Thanks in advance, Stephane https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-evpn/ --_000_71091ccd18ef4ead91f60108cbae9227huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I have some comments on this draft.

 

1. There are 3 different encapsulation= s VXLAN/NVGRE/GENEVE defined in this draft, but it is not clear if there is= a mandatory one for  interoperable implementation, or all are mandatory ?

 

The effort to make BIER-EVPN “un= ified” with Unicast-EVPN (by using 3 BIER proto values) doesn’t= seem to be convenient:

1) For implementation, the existing NV= O3 VXLAN/NVGRE/GENEVE forwarding module (HW or SW) doesn’t help much = because the major gap is BIER.

2) For trouble-shooting like offline L= AN analyzing (rfc8279), the existing NVO3 VXLAN/NVGRE/GENEVE header doesn&#= 8217;t help much because the major part is BIER.

 

From my point of view, one uniform enc= apsulation is better because it is used for one single purpose – to d= istinguish the tenant and still keep aligned with NVO3 style where “VNI” is used.

 

 

2. In section 2.1:

      &n= bsp;  A well-known IP multicast address (to be assigned by IANA) is us= ed as

the destination address and the egress= PEs MUST be set up to receive

and process packets addressed to the a= ddress.

 

It is not clear what are the “se= t up” and “process” implying. For example:

1) For implementation, does the “= ;set up” mean an MFIB entry populated into forwarding table ? A packe= t with well-known IP multicast address as destination address (like 224.0.0.1) is usually sent to CPU in a multicast router in m= y opinion.

2) For error-handling, how to “p= rocess” if the TTL/Hop limit field in the IP header is 0/1/254/255 ?

 

From my point of view, the cost to sup= port BIER-PHP this way is fairly high. I am not sure if some words like = 220;recommend” or “not recommend” can help to do the trade-off for implementation/deployment.

 

 

Thanks

Jingrong

 

 

From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 2:47 PM
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] Cross WG review request for draft-ietf-bier-evpn

 

HI folks,

 

The BIER WG is in the last mile= of review for draft-ietf-bier-evpn and requests our review on the document= before progressing further.

Please have a deep look at it a= nd provide your feedback or concerns.

 

Please close the review by Apri= l 20th.

 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

 

Stephane

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= ietf-bier-evpn/

 

--_000_71091ccd18ef4ead91f60108cbae9227huaweicom_-- From nobody Wed Apr 7 01:14:56 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC29F3A103D; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 01:14:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <161778329117.9898.2004229729312481675@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 01:14:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf?= =?utf-8?q?-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 08:14:52 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies would be appreciated). I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -éric == COMMENTS == Minor regret for a doc shepherd write-up, which is dated 9 months ago... -- Section 1 -- Introducing C-MAC and B-MAC could be useful for the reader. -- Section 1.3 -- Slighlty puzzled by MA/MEP/MIP as those are only about the M of OAM. Should those be OAMA, OAMEP, OAMIP ? Or at least should there be some explanations ? -- Section 2.2 -- I must confess my lack of knowledge about CFM frames but I am puzzled by "snooping on CFM frames and advertising them to remote PEs as a MAC/IP" 1) if the CFM frame are not IP, then how can it be advertised in a MAC/IP ? (i.e., the CE may not use IP at all) 2) if the CFM frame are IP, then which version of IP ? and how to recognize them ? Or did I miss something obvious ? -- Section 3.1.2.1 -- Does this section cover OAM designed by other WG ? E.g., draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data or draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark -- Section 3.2.1 -- Mostly the same comment as for 3.1.2.1, this section is only about synthetic traffic injection. 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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Comments about draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bfd-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:23:56 -0000 --_000_CO1PR08MB7062AA3C6A8CD25A757A79CDF7759CO1PR08MB7062namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Donald, Thanks. Looking forward to reading the updated draft. Jorge From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:17 PM To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bfd@ietf.org , = bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: Comments about draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bfd-03 Hi Jorge, Thanks for your comments. Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see below. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 4:21 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) wrote: > > Dear authors, > > (Most of) these comments were made during the last IETF as > well. Thank you in advance for considering them. My apologies for missing things. > About fault detection for unicast: > > By default, it advertises this discriminator with > BGP using the BFD Discriminator Attribute [ietf-bess-mvpn-fast- > failover] with BFD Mode TBD4 in an EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement Route > [RFC7432] and extracts its peer's discriminator from such an > attribute. > > In typical EVPN deployments there are no MAC/IP advertisement routes > advertised by a PE until the PE does not learn a MAC for a locally > attached host. Based on the text above, the operator cannot > establish BFD session against an EVPN PE that has not learn a local > MAC yet. > > Is that the intent? Or is the intend to advertise a local management > MAC for the purpose of distributing the BFD discriminator required > for unicast fault detection? Or is it the MAC allocated in section > 8.2? > > Please add text is missing to clarify this. Yes, we will add text and update the draft to support BFD sessions between PEs independent of the advertisement of locally attached host MAC addresses. > Unicast mpls encapsulation > > - The destination IP port MUST be 3784 [RFC5881]. > > > s/IP port/UDP port/ OK. "source IP port" in the following line also needs to be fixed and there are a few other places in the draft that just say "source port" or "destination port" and could be clarified by adding "UDP". > The draft does not support BDF for IP multicast traffic in EVPN networks > > Is this intended? > Are you planning to address this gap? If so, text is needed and the > discriminator added to S-PMSI A-D routes. Yes, we will add text and update the draft to support BFD for IP BUM traffic in EVPN networks including adding BFD discriminator attribute to additional routes as needed. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Thanks. > Jorge --_000_CO1PR08MB7062AA3C6A8CD25A757A79CDF7759CO1PR08MB7062namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Donald,

 

Thanks.

Looking forward to reading the updated draft.

 

Jorge

 

From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>=
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:17 PM
To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@noki= a.com>
Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bfd@ietf.org <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bfd@i= etf.org>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Comments about draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bfd-03

Hi Jorge,

Thanks for your comments. Sorry for the delay in responding. Please see
below.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 4:21 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain
View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:
>
> Dear authors,
>
> (Most of) these comments were made during the last IETF as
> well. Thank you in advance for considering them.

My apologies for missing things.

> About fault detection for unicast:
>
>    By default, it advertises this discriminator with >    BGP using the BFD Discriminator Attribute [ietf-bess= -mvpn-fast-
>    failover] with BFD Mode TBD4 in an EVPN MAC/IP Adver= tisement Route
>    [RFC7432] and extracts its peer's discriminator from= such an
>    attribute.
>
> In typical EVPN deployments there are no MAC/IP advertisement routes > advertised by a PE until the PE does not learn a MAC for a locally
> attached host. Based on the text above, the operator cannot
> establish BFD session against an EVPN PE that has not learn a local > MAC yet.
>
> Is that the intent? Or is the intend to advertise a local management > MAC for the purpose of distributing the BFD discriminator required
> for unicast fault detection? Or is it the MAC allocated in section
> 8.2?
>
> Please add text is missing to clarify this.

Yes, we will add text and update the draft to support BFD sessions
between PEs independent of the advertisement of locally attached host
MAC addresses.

> Unicast mpls encapsulation
>
> - The destination IP port MUST be 3784 [RFC5881].
>
>
> s/IP port/UDP port/

OK. "source IP port" in the following line also needs to be fixed= and
there are a few other places in the draft that just say "source port&q= uot;
or "destination port" and could be clarified by adding "UDP&= quot;.

> The draft does not support BDF for IP multicast traffic in EVPN networ= ks
>
> Is this intended?
> Are you planning to address this gap? If so, text is needed and the > discriminator added to S-PMSI A-D routes.

Yes, we will add text and update the draft to support BFD for IP BUM
traffic in EVPN networks including adding BFD discriminator attribute
to additional routes as needed.

Thanks,
Donald
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> Thanks.
> Jorge

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I am aware of an IPR which is in process of being disclosed. Regards, Luc Andr=E9 Burdet | Cisco | laburdet.ietf@gmail.com | Tel: +1 613 254= 4814 From: BESS on behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" <= slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13 To: "bess@ietf.org" Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw= -proto Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evp= n-l2gw-proto [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/ --_000_DF4PR8401MB06507CA90A02DCD3455CC12AAF759DF4PR8401MB0650_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As co-author I support adoption= .

I am aware of an IPR which is i= n process of being disclosed.

 

Regards,

Luc Andr=E9 Burdet |  Cisc= o  |  laburdet.ietf@gmail.com  |  Tel: +1 613 254 4814<= o:p>

 

&n= bsp;

From= : BESS <bess-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" <slit= kows.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-ev= pn-l2gw-proto

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG=  adoption poll = for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].

 

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane=

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/<= o:p>

 

--_000_DF4PR8401MB06507CA90A02DCD3455CC12AAF759DF4PR8401MB0650_-- From nobody Wed Apr 7 10:02:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229B63A2146; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 10:02:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Zaheduzzaman Sarker Message-ID: <161781496112.25228.18293696211855813134@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 10:02:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 17:02:41 -0000 Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the document and thanks to David Black for TSVART review. Nits/comments: * P-MAC and C-MAC are these defined somewhere else? References would be nice here. * Section 1.3, Section 2.1 and Section 2.2 describes P nodes in different ways and that has created confusion to me. Can this be well defined in the terminology section once and just be used in other place? * Section 2.5 : "[802.3]" is this supposed to be a reference? it leads to nowhere. * Section 3.1.1.2.1 : first time encountered "network management station (NMS)", if this document is not introducing it then I would suggest to at this to section 1.3 and add some descriptive texts, otherwise define it. * Section 3.1.2.1 : would be nice to expand MTU. * Section 3.2.1: I can't really parse - "EVPN Network OAM SHOULD provide mechanisms for measuring packet loss for a given service [RFC7680] [RFC6673]." are these IPPM mechanisms recommended to be used for EVPN networks? or are those merely examples? 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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:21:58 -0000 Thanks for your comments. See below. On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 1:02 PM Zaheduzzaman Sarker via Datatracker wrote: > > Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection > > ... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for the document and thanks to David Black for TSVART review. > > Nits/comments: > > * P-MAC and C-MAC are these defined somewhere else? References would be nice > here. P-MAC does not occur in the draft; I think you mean B-MAC. C-MAC is Customer/Client MAC address and B-MAC is Backbone MAC address as further specified in RFC 7623. These can be spelled out and a reference to RFC 7623 (which is already listed in the References for the draft) added. > * Section 1.3, Section 2.1 and Section 2.2 describes P nodes in different > ways and that has created confusion to me. Can this be well defined in the > terminology section once and just be used in other place? OK, except I think it should be spelled out on first use in 2.1. But certainly the wording should be parallel in these cases. > * Section 2.5 : "[802.3]" is this supposed to be a reference? it leads to > nowhere. Yes, it is intended to be reference to IEEE Std 802.3-2015 (or whatever the most recent version is). I have no idea why the nits checker doesn't complain about this being missing from the References sections. If it did, it would already have been fixed. Since this is just an example, I think it can be added as an Informational Reference. > * Section 3.1.1.2.1 : first time encountered "network management station > (NMS)", if this document is not introducing it then I would suggest to at this > to section 1.3 and add some descriptive texts, otherwise define it. Would it be sufficient to add an entry in the terminology section (1.3) and a reference to RFC 6623? > * Section 3.1.2.1 : would be nice to expand MTU. Sure. > * Section 3.2.1: I can't really parse - "EVPN Network OAM SHOULD provide > mechanisms for measuring packet loss for a given service [RFC7680] [RFC6673]." > are these IPPM mechanisms recommended to be used for EVPN networks? or are > those merely examples? These are examples. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Wed Apr 7 14:53:56 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7BA3A2B19; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:53:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: John Scudder via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: John Scudder Message-ID: <161783243454.23241.5762106088422783662@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:53:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 21:53:55 -0000 John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one question. 1. Section 1, nit: “EVPN is an Layer 2” s/an/a/ 2. Section 2.3: EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order that they share the same fate. It’s not obvious to me what you mean by “identical entropy characteristics to data traffic”. Surely, different flows may have different entropy characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data traffic are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? 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C-MAC is Customer/Client MAC address and B-MAC is Backbone MAC address as further specified in RFC 7623. These can be spelled out and a reference to RFC 7623 (which is already listed in the References for this draft) added. > -- Section 1.3 -- > Slighlty puzzled by MA/MEP/MIP as those are only about the M of OAM. Shou= ld > those be OAMA, OAMEP, OAMIP ? Or at least should there be some explanatio= ns ? MA/MEP/MIP are all terms used in CFM (Connectivity Fault Management) which is specified in 802.1Q. There could be some wording adjustment to clarify this. For example, saying that they are "part of" Service OAM rather than implying they might be all of it. > -- Section 2.2 -- > I must confess my lack of knowledge about CFM frames but I am puzzled by > "snooping on CFM frames and advertising them to remote PEs as a MAC/IP" 1= ) if > the CFM frame are not IP, then how can it be advertised in a MAC/IP ? (i.= e., > the CE may not use IP at all) 2) if the CFM frame are IP, then which vers= ion of > IP ? and how to recognize them ? Or did I miss something obvious ? CFM frames are not IP. However, the EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route is quite flexible and includes a length for the IP address. As stated in RFC 7432 "By default, the IP Address Length field is set to 0, and the IP Address field is omitted from the route." If you do know an IP address and want to advertise it, then the length is 32 or 128, as appropriate, and the IP address is included. > -- Section 3.1.2.1 -- > Does this section cover OAM designed by other WG ? E.g., > draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data or draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark > > -- Section 3.2.1 -- > Mostly the same comment as for 3.1.2.1, this section is only about synthe= tic > traffic injection. EVPN Network OAM could include OAM designed by other WGs including ioam. However, in my opinion the mandatory capabilities should be available even in the absence of real traffic. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. 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On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 5:53 PM John Scudder via Datatracker wrote: > > John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection > > ... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one questi= on. > > 1. Section 1, nit: > > =E2=80=9CEVPN is an Layer 2=E2=80=9D s/an/a/ OK. > 2. Section 2.3: > > EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring > capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they > exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order > that they share the same fate. > > It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical entrop= y characteristics to > data traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entropy > characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data tra= ffic > are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? Well, it depends on what is meant by "characteristics". I believe the intent is to say that with a sufficient quantity of OAM messages, all paths used by actual data will be exercised. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. 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(Postfix) with ESMTP id 506143A3357; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 19:04:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: John Scudder via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: John Scudder Message-ID: <161784748630.10496.1561945888518033066@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 19:04:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 02:04:47 -0000 John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2.3: EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order that they share the same fate. It’s not obvious to me what you mean by “identical entropy characteristics to data traffic”. Surely, different flows may have different entropy characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data traffic are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one question. 1. Section 1, nit: “EVPN is an Layer 2” s/an/a/ From nobody Wed Apr 7 19:29:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246483A342F; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 19:28:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <161784893512.30313.2202771848307351067@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 19:28:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 02:28:55 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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Since Section 2.2 described a process where the “EVPN PE MUST learn the MAC address of locally attached CE MEPs by snooping on CFM frames ...”, is there is reason not to add the DoS caution from [RFC4762] of “Some means to limit the number of MAC addresses ... that a PE can learn SHOULD be implemented.” From nobody Wed Apr 7 21:13:05 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44D53A0ACB; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.604 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.604 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001, NUMERIC_HTTP_ADDR=1.242, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6eAzHXPTAD-R; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x133.google.com (mail-il1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D2F93A09F6; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x133.google.com with SMTP id d2so624110ilm.10; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 21:12:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=elkK1/bPxsswD6Tr892lRnBdAp6C2TkFc7ozNyqtR1A=; b=Okd36PviKFPkzsXqF0oAA9LeVL1ykCVI1Eb2sk8q2lKfUUBs5S/erXNY3XpvrhnUsr Zoo1jQIx9KOrfhbzToEpx3wvIu2C1u6DT+T5EQjCF6x3Je/I72cw+R+4av72ZDg9kmgp QHOFwVIe+GnRJJY1LV3X97UOxeHBQjxN1SGWkNol88whvmqW+p9xyt+v/Oh4RKI+5cKk fv+hf3t9oDf+21wQRaCYJsqWEhmLopZOkfRZqB0xnx78MSVMnqtg1WVnIo/3CqNmhgQJ BA1YkKZX68LCHpu8JmjCKc6sdy7MUAEXDx1rm9HbkOeB/uj22VmHaRIc0xPugPrPcN7W zzJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=elkK1/bPxsswD6Tr892lRnBdAp6C2TkFc7ozNyqtR1A=; b=e57GsmRAXduni0ERNBDZrqjDQM0p1CWzM0V8zHs+6BgMJ+iFtnAevkGVCiuBJCMFNj ROtMFP0mW++QIgIv/m3IYDHxRsq5Hy1FVcr4RWo+a0RwKuTmgFc+Pybz7Soo2eDak+kJ 5KOD6nz7f4TkqL/vPHQDq7ehAFispMWC6+xHhgpvug/1TUZX6VysdlpUVWT77L1U5qVe OpBt2c075EP4zS411dqFO4nUHUSTR5T9curcBTDRDIpt6PHLhWEb4a+7r+wXpdyoQS+g VN7GR356J37D6i8E0/PW6D5mxNow2ys7pjwGzXRik9Nrghu/mgY8Y2+0RBjLEZbDo8pH 9QwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532iidSkKx23dbgPdkaTC7A1yHFn9veibCi8bd3u+7PzueHX6922 1qsbkhqkzluAbt8JvGItxnLHz/Fke1k4t9ueuMgxChs2du4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzzuWoAHnzeRV/kloBnPZLfcSmgeoTgOZxV9RV5VdfO/C8iMREDRG9qzL7JqkcqA5jP7ry141n697cLgFmm8to= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:12c9:: with SMTP id i9mr5431574ilm.276.1617855170782; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 21:12:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <161783243454.23241.5762106088422783662@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 00:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: To: John Scudder Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , BESS , Matthew Bocci Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c0ab7605bf6e42de" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 04:12:59 -0000 --000000000000c0ab7605bf6e42de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:02 PM John Scudder wrote: > Hi Donald, > > Thanks for your reply. > > On Apr 7, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > ... > > 2. Section 2.3: > > EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring > capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they > exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order > that they share the same fate. > > It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical entrop= y characteristics to > data traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entropy > characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data traffic > are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? > > > Well, it depends on what is meant by "characteristics". I believe the >intent is to say that with a sufficient quantity of OAM messages, all >paths used by actual data will be exercised. > > > Your explanation (=E2=80=9Call paths=E2=80=A6 will be exercised=E2=80=9D)= seems inconsistent with =C2=A73.1.1.1: > > - all paths. For MPLS/IP networks with ECMP, monitoring of all > unicast paths between MEPs (on non-adjacent nodes) may not be > possible, since the per-hop ECMP hashing behavior may yield > situations where it is impossible for a MEP to pick flow entropy > characteristics that result in exercising the exhaustive set of > ECMP paths. Monitoring of all ECMP paths between MEPs (on non- > adjacent nodes) is not a requirement for EVPN OAM. > > Even if the above somehow isn't the issue it appears to be, I think it=E2= =80=99s evident that the =C2=A72.3 text in question isn=E2=80=99t unambiguous enoug= h to have a MUST applied to it, I think this needs to be rectified in some way. I=E2=80= =99m going to switch my ballot to a DISCUSS until we=E2=80=99ve resolved this. > > (Now that I=E2=80=99m looking at the =C2=A72.3 text again, =E2=80=9Cident= ical=E2=80=9D bugs me too, since identity is a much stronger requirement than, say, similarity. But since I suspect the text will be rewritten anyway it=E2=80=99s not worth dw= elling on.) Geez, here I put this text, which I inherited when I became pen holder after draft-salam-l2vpn-evpn-oam-req-frmwk, in the best possible light and you still object ! :-) OK, how about something more like: EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM and data. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Thanks, > > =E2=80=94John --000000000000c0ab7605bf6e42de Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John,

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:02 PM John Scudd= er <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:> Hi Donald,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> On = Apr 7, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> 2= . Section 2.3:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUS= T provide in-band monitoring
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities. As such, OA= M messages MUST be encoded so that they
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0exhibit identi= cal entropy characteristics to data traffic in order
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0t= hat they share the same fate.
>
> It=E2=80=99s not obvious to m= e what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical entropy characteristics to
> da= ta traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entropy
= > characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data = traffic
> are you saying the OAM messages must share fate?
>>
><de> Well, it depends on what is meant by "characte= ristics". I believe the
><de>intent is to say that with a = sufficient quantity of OAM messages, all
><de>paths used by act= ual data will be exercised.
>
>
> Your explanation (=E2= =80=9Call paths=E2=80=A6 will be exercised=E2=80=9D) seems inconsistent wit= h =C2=A73.1.1.1:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2= =A0- all paths. For MPLS/IP networks with ECMP, monitoring of all
> = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unicast paths between MEPs (on non-adjacent nodes) may = not be
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible, since the per-hop ECMP hashing= behavior may yield
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0situations where it is impo= ssible for a MEP to pick flow entropy
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0character= istics that result in exercising the exhaustive set of
> =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0ECMP paths. Monitoring of all ECMP paths between MEPs (on non-> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0adjacent nodes) is not a requirement for EVPN OAM= .
>
> Even if the above somehow isn't the issue it appears = to be, I think it=E2=80=99s evident that the =C2=A72.3 text in question isn= =E2=80=99t unambiguous enough to have a MUST applied to it, I think this ne= eds to be rectified in some way. I=E2=80=99m going to switch my ballot to a= DISCUSS until we=E2=80=99ve resolved this.
>
> (Now that I=E2= =80=99m looking at the =C2=A72.3 text again, =E2=80=9Cidentical=E2=80=9D bu= gs me too, since identity is a much stronger requirement than, say, similar= ity. But since I suspect the text will be rewritten anyway it=E2=80=99s not= worth dwelling on.)

<de>Geez, here I put this text, which I i= nherited when I became pen holder after draft-salam-l2vpn-evpn-oam-req-frmw= k, in the best possible light and you still object ! =C2=A0:-)

<d= e> OK, how about something more like:

EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST prov= ide in-band monitoring capabilities. OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that= they exhibit similar entropy characteristics to data traffic in order maxi= mize the fate sharing between OAM and data.

<de> Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Do= nald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic = Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
=C2=A0d= 3e3e3@gmail.com

> Thanks,
>
> = =E2=80=94John --000000000000c0ab7605bf6e42de-- From nobody Wed Apr 7 23:29:37 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150E83A11CC; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 23:29:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Murray Kucherawy Message-ID: <161786337606.400.10636088384197441995@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 23:29:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 06:29:36 -0000 Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Might be helpful to expand C-MAC and B-MAC on first use. "MD" appears in your Terminology section, but nowhere else in the document. 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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 06:10:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Protocol Action: 'Propagation of ARP/ND Flags in EVPN' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-09.txt) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 13:10:01 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Propagation of ARP/ND Flags in EVPN' (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-09.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the BGP Enabled ServiceS Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, John Scudder and Martin Vigoureux. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags/ Technical Summary An EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route can optionally carry an IPv4 or IPv6 addresses associated with a MAC address. Remote PEs can use this information to populate their ARP/ND tables on IRB interfaces or their proxy-ARP/ND tables in Broadcast Domains (BD). PEs can then reply locally (act as an ARP/ND proxy) to IPv4 ARP requests and IPv6 Neighbor Solicitation messages and reduce/suppress the flooding produced by the Address Resolution procedure. However, the information conveyed in the MAC/IP route may not be enough for the remote PE to reply to local ARP or ND requests. For example, if a PE learns an IPv6->MAC ND entry via EVPN, the PE would not know if that particular IPv6->MAC pair belongs to a host, a router or a host with an anycast address, as this information is not carried in the EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement routes. Similarly, other information relevant to the IP->MAC ARP/ND entries may be needed. This document defines an Extended Community that is advertised along with an EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route and carries information relevant to the ARP/ND resolution, so that an EVPN PE implementing a proxy-ARP/ND function can reply to ARP Requests or Neighbor Solicitations with the correct information. Working Group Summary The document was developed to address the desire to minimise flooding of traffic associated with address resolution in EVPN. It is particularly important due to the large size that EVPN networks can grow to, particularly in terms of the numbers of CEs and hosts. It makes use of some flags in a new BGP extended community to do this. There are no IPR declarations on the draft . Document Quality This document quite well written. It represents WG consensus, and it has been widely reviewed and discussed on the list over a number of years. Personnel The document shepherd is Matthew Bocci The responsible Area Director is Martin Vigoureux From nobody Thu Apr 8 06:36:11 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578C23A17EB; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 06:36:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert Wilton via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <161788896681.26574.4226145616532562392@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 06:36:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 13:36:07 -0000 Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Thanks for this document. It's a bit unclear to me whether the descriptions/definitions of MIP/MEP/MA/MD are coming from CFM or RFC 6136. Section 1.1 suggests that they are coming from CFM (but without a normative reference to 802.1Q), but the terminology implies that they are being taken from RFC 6136. Certainly, there seem to be places in this document where more meaning of these terms seems to be expected than what is provided in the terminology section. Section 2.6 refers to CCMs, but I think that a reader would only understand what these are if they have read CFM. Hence, I think that this document would probably benefit from having a normative reference to 802.1Q rather than informative. Minor comments: 2.1 OAM Layering "and shows which devices have visibility into what OAM layer(s)." Perhaps indicate by the 'o' symbol. Otherwise the fact that the Link OAM is the end point of the physical links, whereas the other OAM endpoints are may cause confusion. Figure 2: - Would it be helpful to move the 'o' marks to the end of the PE devices, to line up with the Link OAM end points? - Is "Service CFM" the right term here? Does this mean "Service OAM - CFM"? - Probably helpful to add an informative reference to 802.3 Link OAM, which is in figure 2. 2.2 EVPN Service OAM - I'm not sure how clear "towards the device" is when the point is already within the device. - The up and down arrows for the MEPS ("^" and "V") seem to potentially make Figure 3 more confusing. Also "down" should be changed to "Down" in the last CE. Nits: I'm not sure why the PE nodes are numbered by CE nodes are not. 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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Operational Aspects of Proxy-ARP/ND in Ethernet Virtual Private Networks Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senthil Sathappan Kiran Nagaraj Greg Hankins Thomas King Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-13.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2021-04-08 Abstract: This document describes the Ethernet Virtual Private Networks (EVPN) Proxy-ARP/ND function, augmented by the capability of the ARP/ND Extended Community. From that perspective this document updates the EVPN specification to provide more comprehensive documentation of the operation of the Proxy-ARP/ND function. The EVPN Proxy-ARP/ND function and the ARP/ND Extended Community help operators of Internet Exchange Points, Data Centers, and other networks deal with IPv4 and IPv6 address resolution issues associated with large Broadcast Domains by reducing and even suppressing the flooding produced by address resolution in the EVPN network. 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Erik, Thank you for taking the time to review the changes again. We just posted rev 13 trying to address your latest comments. A diff from the previous version: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-13 Please see in-line below with [jorge2]. Thx Jorge From: Erik Kline Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:56 AM To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd@ietf.org , bess-chairs@ietf.org , bess@ietf.org , Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Subject: Re: Erik Kline's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-11: = (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:31 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) = > wrote: Hi Erik, Thank you for your thorough review. Will publish a new version addressing y= our great comments as well as the ones in other reviews too. Please see in-line with [jorge]. Thx Jorge From: Erik Kline via Datatracker = > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 8:21 AM To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd@ietf.org >, bess-chairs@ietf.org >, be= ss@ietf.org >, Bo= cci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) >, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) > Subject: Erik Kline's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-11: (wit= h DISCUSS and COMMENT) Erik Kline has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-11: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [ meta ] * I appreciate the attempt to explicitly discuss handling NS/NA messages wi= th not-previously-seen options. Thank you for that. It seems to me, however, that the proposed approach to proceed with setting the current capabilities in concrete but point to things like "unicast-forward" as a relief valve, even though 3.2-f seems to say the multicast packets (i.e. on cache miss) should be discarded (implying the unicast mapping might never be learned in the first place?). [jorge] I think you are saying that the spec should also allow an option to= forward, even if the MAC DA of the IP owner is not known on the PE. That s= ounds reasonable, although I would think operators who implemented the draf= t in their EVPN networks would prefer more security and not allow flooding = ARP-Requests/NS with unknown options. I modified 3.2-f as follows, let me k= now if that addresses your concern: f. A PE MUST only reply to ARP-Request and NS messages with the format specified in [RFC0826] and [RFC4861] respectively. Received ARP-Requests and NS messages with unknown options SHOULD be either forwarded (as unicast packets) to the owner of the requested IP (assuming the MAC is known in the Proxy-ARP/ND table and BD) or discarded. An option to flood ARP-Requests/NS messages with unknown options MAY be used. The operator should assess if flooding those unknown options may be a security risk for the EVPN BD. An administrative option to control this behavior ('unicast-forward', 'discard' or 'forward') SHOULD be supported. The 'unicast-forward' option is described in Section 3.4. [ek] I am not clear on how "RFC4861 format" addresses the issue of options.= I have the feeling rather that you mean a specific list of ND options. Note also that since RFC 7527 a node can modify its DAD messages (NSes) to = include a Nonce option to detect looped back DAD packets. (This is an exam= ple of how these messages have changed over time.) (more in the 3.2-f section below) [jorge2] I see your point. I changed the text, please see below about (f) t= oo. [ general ] * When a PE reboots, should it do MLD (e.g. 2710, 3810, ...) of some kind t= o gather critical state so that it doesn't have to wait for CEs to have problems? [jorge] hmm...in this document the PEs provide a layer-2 BD for the CEs tha= t they connect (the PEs do not generally have IP interfaces in that BD). If= no MLD-snooping is enabled in the BD, the ND multicast messages are floode= d to all the CEs attached to the local PE or remote PEs. So upon reboot, wh= en the PE is back online it will start building its proxy-ARP/ND database a= gain, and in the meantime it will flood NS that do not hit an entry. Whethe= r the operator decides to use MLD snooping or not on the same BD where prox= y-ARP/ND is enabled, is out of scope of this document... we can add a sente= nce say that, do you think it is needed? Let me know if I am misunderstandi= ng please. [ek] I think I had assumed the devices did something like configure an IPv6= link-local address in the BD. But it's purely "transparent" then there's = no source address from which to originate MLD messages and so it doesn't ma= ke any sense. Thanks. [jorge2] thanks. [ section 3.1 ] * To my knowledge there is no concept in IPv6 of a link where anycast/O=3D0 NAs only propagate partway through a broadcast domain. In practice, if I understand the architecture correctly, O=3D0 NAs will propagate to all CE= s "behind" a given PE but, if anycast=3Dfalse, no further. This could lead to a difficult to debug scenario (though I admit this is probably quite rare). Note that 4861-7.2.4 implies that most nodes sending NAs for their own addresses will adhere to "the Override flag SHOULD be set to one". This is not a MUST, though. Dropping all O=3D0 NAs might affect some implementations that don't comply with this SHOULD. I have no idea how many implementations this might affect (in practice, I suspect none?), bu= t... I think it might need to be considered. [jorge] the NA messages with O Flag =3D 0 should not be dropped, they are n= ormally forwarded by the PE based on the MAC DA. The only consideration is = that the IP->MAC bind will only be learned on the proxy-ND table if the =91= anycast=92 capability is enabled in the PE=92s BD. Otherwise the NA message= will be normally forwarded, its IP->MAC not being learned. We added a sent= ence to clarify that: Note that if the O Flag is zero in the received NA message, the IP->MAC SHOULD only be learned in case IPv6 'anycast' is enabled in the BD. Irrespective, an NA message with O Flag =3D 0 will be normally forwarded by the PE based on a MAC DA lookup. [ek] So you're saying that O=3D0 messages get forwarded but not learned, is= that correct? If so, I think that's fine. (The text you include below re= ads this way to me.) [jorge2] precisely, thanks! [ section 3.1.1/3.2 ] * I was not able to understand what the typical disposition of the O bit is supposed to be in these proxied NAs. Is the intent to default to O=3D= 0 so that local O=3D1 can be preferred (vis. 4861-7.2.4 and 4389)? Or will it more typically be set to O=3D1 (as if just replaying the NA that was lear= ned by another PE)? [jorge] normally the PE will learn an IP->MAC bind, e.g., IP1->MAC1, in its= proxy-nd table from received NA messages with O=3D1 or EVPN routes with O= =3D1. Hence when replying to received NS for IP1 the PE will issue an NA wi= th O=3D1. However, the document also allows to configure the support for = =93anycast=94 in the proxy-nd function, in which case, the PE proxy-nd func= tion will learn IP1->MAC1 with O=3D1 or 0, depending on how the flag is set= on the received NA or EVPN route for IP1->MAC1. I modified the text to cla= rify this: Note that, typically, IP->MAC entries with O=3D0 will not be learned, and therefore the Proxy-ND function will reply to NS messages with NA messages that contain O=3D1. However, this document allows the configuration of the "anycast" capability in the BD where the Proxy- ND function is enabled. If "anycast" is enabled in the BD and an NA message with O=3D0 is received, the associated IP->MAC entry will be learned with O=3D0. If this "anycast" capability is enabled in the BD, Duplicate IP Detection must be disabled so that the PE is able to learn the same IP mapped to different MACs in the same Proxy-ND table. If the "anycast" capability is disabled, NA messages with O Flag =3D 0 will not create a Proxy-ND entry (although they will be forwarded normally), hence no EVPN advertisement with ARP/ND Extended Community will be generated. [ek] If O=3D0 messages are forwarded normally regardless of "learning", tha= t seems fine. Thanks. [jorge2] that=92s correct, thanks. [ section 3.2 ] * Item (f) as currently written would break Enhanced DAD (RFC 7527), would it not? [jorge] when addressing Jean-Michel=92s concerns, we changed the text to th= e following. Hopefully that clears your concern too? Let me know please: f. A PE MUST only reply to ARP-Request and NS messages with the format specified in [RFC0826] and [RFC4861] respectively. Received ARP-Requests and NS messages with unknown options SHOULD be either forwarded (as unicast packets) to the owner of the requested IP (assuming the MAC is known in the Proxy-ARP/ND table and BD) or discarded. An option to flood ARP-Requests/NS messages with unknown options MAY be used. The operator should assess if flooding those unknown options may be a security risk for the EVPN BD. An administrative option to control this behavior ('unicast-forward', 'discard' or 'forward') SHOULD be supported. The 'unicast-forward' option is described in Section 3.4. [ek] I think having the option to discard ND packets with unknown options i= s highly likely to create some difficulty. I understand the intent may be = to save unwanted multicast traffic, and perhaps address some other concerns= . But, as I understand it, the first CE to add a Nonce to their NS message= s during DAD would result in the packets being dropped and the device deter= mining that there was no duplicate address conflict, potentially leading di= rectly to duplicate addresses in the BD. [jorge2] I see your point. The reason why we wanted a config option to disc= ard was based on the security requirements that we got from the IXP operato= r that co-authors the draft. I changed the text with the discard being opti= onal, and adding a warning for the operator. Let me know if this clears you= r concern please: f. For Proxy-ARP, a PE MUST only reply to ARP-Request with the format specified in [RFC0826]. For Proxy-ND, a PE MUST reply to NS messages with the format and options specified in [RFC4861], and MAY reply to NS messages containing other options. Received NS messages with unknown options SHOULD be forwarded (as unicast packets) to the owner of the requested IP (assuming the MAC is known in the Proxy-ARP/ND table and BD). An administrative choice to control the behavior for received NS messages with unknown options ('unicast-forward', 'discard' or 'forward') MAY be supported. The 'unicast-forward' option is described in Section 3.4. If 'discard' is available, the operator should assess if flooding NS unknown options may be a security risk for the EVPN BD (and is so, enable 'discard'), or if, on the contrary, not forwarding NS unknown options may disrupt connectivity. [ section 3.6 ] * "Duplicate IP Detection for IPv6 SHOULD be disabled when IPv6 'anycast' is activated in a given EVI." This doesn't seem like the right response to me. It should be okay to ke= ep doing DAD for O=3D1 addresses regardless of the setting of this 'anycast' option, I would have thought. [jorge] yes, the DAD procedures implemented by the CEs should continue, and= this is out of the scope. The sentence refers to the procedure in this sec= tion which only affects the PEs. We changed the text to clarify, let me kno= w if it makes sense please: The Proxy-ARP/ND function SHOULD support duplicate IP detection as per this section so that ARP/ND-spoofing attacks or duplicate IPs due to human errors can be detected. For IPv6 addresses, CEs will continue to carry out the DAD procedures as per [RFC4862]. The solution described in this section is an additional security mechanism carried out by the PEs that guarantees IPv6 address moves between PEs are legit and not the result of an attack. For Proxy-ND, the Duplicate IP Detection described in this section SHOULD only monitor IP moves for IP->MACs learned from NA messages with O Flag=3D1. NA messages with O Flag=3D0 would not override the ND cache entries for an existing IP, and therefore the procedure in this section would not detect duplicate IPs. This Duplicate IP Detection for IPv6 SHOULD be disabled when the IPv6 "anycast" capability is activated in a given BD. [ek] I suppose this is fine. I'll have to reread the text in context to be= completely sure, but thanks. [jorge2] sounds good, thanks. [ section 5.5 ] * I think that recommending Reply Sub-Functions discard NS packets of unexpected for means, in practice, no new NS option or flag can ever real= ly be made to work. The PE(s) serving the CE(s) that make "new NS" solicitations will all need to be upgraded, and it's not immediately clea= r to me that remote PEs wouldn't also need to be upgraded (to support a possible "new NA"in response). If this is in fact likely to be the operational reality then I think this limitation probably needs to be noted explicitly. [jorge] is this concern addressed with the previous comment about item f)? = please let me know. [ek] I still think it might lead to increasing the likelihood of duplicate = address formation. [jorge2] sure. The new text changes the =91discard=92 as an option and adds= the warning (see the new =91f=92 above). Let me know if that is okay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [[ comments ]] [ section 3.1.1 ] * " ... If no ARP/ND Extended Community is received, the PE will add a configured R Flag/O Flag to the entry. This configured R Flag SHOULD be an administrative choice with a default value of 1." This reads as though the R flag should be added essentially by default? I realize that might seem reasonable on a broadcast domain populated by almost entirely by routers but it might cause confusion w.r.t. any hosts/servers added to the broadcast domain. It seems like it might be better if the flags were always learned reliably, propagated reliably, and never presumed? [jorge] yes, the intent is that flags for EVPN-learned entries are always l= earned from the extended community. However the ARP/ND extended community i= s recent and not supported by RFC7432 PEs, where the proxy-ARP/ND function = was already there, so this default configuration provides a backwards compa= tibility option. I added a sentence to reflect that: The configuration of this administrative choice provides a backwards compatible option with EVPN PEs that follow [RFC7432] but do not support this specification. [ek] Ah, I see: the newer implementations would use the info as given in th= e na-flags draft. Makes sense. [jorge2] thanks. I guess a host being mistaken for a router that never actually sends an RA doesn't cause any real problems in other nodes' ND tables. I would think, though, that if R were presumed to be 0 then it would force R bit learning and propagation to be made to work reliably and be more easily detected if it doesn't. [jorge] I agree, and this document provides the tools for the R flag to be = correctly learned and propagated in EVPN. As mentioned, we also wanted to c= over the backward compatibility cases for RFC7432 EVPN PEs. [ek] Ack. [jorge2] thanks! --_000_BY3PR08MB7060E67F1D8623AE04FA685BF7749BY3PR08MB7060namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Erik,

 

Thank you for taking the time to review the changes again.

 

We just posted rev 13 trying to address your latest comments.<= /span>


A diff from the previous version:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-ar= p-nd-13

 

Please see in-line below with [jorge2].

 

Thx

Jorge

 

From: Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:56 AM
To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@noki= a.com>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-n= d@ietf.org <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd@ietf.org>, bess-chairs@= ietf.org <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>,= Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: Erik Kline's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-= nd-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

 

 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at= 12:31 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Erik,<= /o:p>

 

Thank you for your th= orough review. Will publish a new version addressing your great comments as= well as the ones in other reviews too.

Please see in-line wi= th [jorge].

 

Thx=

Jorge

 

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DISCUSS:
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[ meta ]

* I appreciate the attempt to explicitly discuss handling NS/NA messages wi= th
  not-previously-seen options.  Thank you for that.

  It seems to me, however, that the proposed approach to proceed with<= br>   setting the current capabilities in concrete but point to things lik= e
  "unicast-forward" as a relief valve, even though 3.2-f see= ms to say the
  multicast packets (i.e. on cache miss) should be discarded (implying= the
  unicast mapping might never be learned in the first place?).

[jorge] I think yo= u are saying that the spec should also allow an option to forward, even if = the MAC DA of the IP owner is not known on the PE. That sounds reasonable, = although I would think operators who implemented the draft in their EVPN networks would prefer more security an= d not allow flooding ARP-Requests/NS with unknown options. I modified 3.2-f= as follows, let me know if that addresses your concern:

   f.  A PE MUST only reply to ARP-Request and NS m= essages with the

       format specified in [RFC0826]= and [RFC4861] respectively.

       Received ARP-Requests and NS = messages with unknown options SHOULD

       be either forwarded (as unica= st packets) to the owner of the

       requested IP (assuming the MA= C is known in the Proxy-ARP/ND table

       and BD) or discarded.  A= n option to flood ARP-Requests/NS

       messages with unknown options= MAY be used.  The operator should

       assess if flooding those unkn= own options may be a security risk

       for the EVPN BD.  An adm= inistrative option to control this

       behavior ('unicast-forward', = 'discard' or 'forward') SHOULD be

       supported.  The 'unicast= -forward' option is described in

       Section 3.4.<= /o:p>

 

[ek] I am not clear on = how "RFC4861 format" addresses the issue of options.  I have= the feeling rather that you mean a specific list of ND options.=

 

Note also that since RF= C 7527 a node can modify its DAD messages (NSes) to include a Nonce option = to detect looped back DAD packets.  (This is an example of how these m= essages have changed over time.)

 

(more in the 3.2-f sect= ion below)

 

 

[jorge2] I see your point. I changed the text, please see below about = (f) too.

 

 

 

[ general ]

* When a PE reboots, should it do MLD (e.g. 2710, 3810, ...) of some kind t= o
  gather critical state so that it doesn't have to wait for CEs to hav= e
  problems?

[jorge] hmm...in t= his document the PEs provide a layer-2 BD for the CEs that they connect (th= e PEs do not generally have IP interfaces in that BD). If no MLD-snooping i= s enabled in the BD, the ND multicast messages are flooded to all the CEs attached to the local PE or remote PEs= . So upon reboot, when the PE is back online it will start building its pro= xy-ARP/ND database again, and in the meantime it will flood NS that do not = hit an entry. Whether the operator decides to use MLD snooping or not on the same BD where proxy-ARP/ND is en= abled, is out of scope of this document... we can add a sentence say that, = do you think it is needed? Let me know if I am misunderstanding please.

 

[ek] I think I had assu= med the devices did something like configure an IPv6 link-local address in = the BD.  But it's purely "transparent" then there's no sourc= e address from which to originate MLD messages and so it doesn't make any sense.  Thanks.

[jorge2] thanks.

 


[ section 3.1 ]

* To my knowledge there is no concept in IPv6 of a link where anycast/O=3D0=
  NAs only propagate partway through a broadcast domain.  In prac= tice, if I
  understand the architecture correctly, O=3D0 NAs will propagate to a= ll CEs
  "behind" a given PE but, if anycast=3Dfalse, no further.
  This could lead to a difficult to debug scenario (though I admit thi= s is
  probably quite rare).

  Note that 4861-7.2.4 implies that most nodes sending NAs for their o= wn
  addresses will adhere to "the Override flag SHOULD be set to on= e".  This
  is not a MUST, though.  Dropping all O=3D0 NAs might affect som= e
  implementations that don't comply with this SHOULD.  I have no = idea how
  many implementations this might affect (in practice, I suspect none?= ), but...
  I think it might need to be considered.

[jorge] the NA messag= es with O Flag =3D 0 should not be dropped, they are normally forwarded by = the PE based on the MAC DA. The only consideration is that the IP->MAC b= ind will only be learned on the proxy-ND table if the =91anycast=92 capability is enabled in the PE=92s BD. Otherwi= se the NA message will be normally forwarded, its IP->MAC not being lear= ned. We added a sentence to clarify that:

 &nbs=
p;        Note that if the O Flag is zer=
o in the received NA message,
 &nbs=
p;        the IP->MAC SHOULD only be =
learned in case IPv6 'anycast' is
 &nbs=
p;        enabled in the BD.  Irres=
pective, an NA message with O Flag =3D
 &nbs=
p;        0 will be normally forwarded b=
y the PE based on a MAC DA
 &nbs=
p;        lookup.<=
/pre>

 

[ek] So you're saying t= hat O=3D0 messages get forwarded but not learned, is that correct?  If= so, I think that's fine.  (The text you include below reads this way = to me.)

[jorge2] precisely, thanks!

 

 


[ section 3.1.1/3.2 ]

* I was not able to understand what the typical disposition of the O bit   is supposed to be in these proxied NAs.  Is the intent to defau= lt to O=3D0 so
  that local O=3D1 can be preferred (vis. 4861-7.2.4 and 4389)?  = Or will it
  more typically be set to O=3D1 (as if just replaying the NA that was= learned
  by another PE)?

[jorge] normally the = PE will learn an IP->MAC bind, e.g., IP1->MAC1, in its proxy-nd table= from received NA messages with O=3D1 or EVPN routes with O=3D1. Hence when= replying to received NS for IP1 the PE will issue an NA with O=3D1. However, the document also allows to configure the= support for =93anycast=94 in the proxy-nd function, in which case, the PE = proxy-nd function will learn IP1->MAC1 with O=3D1 or 0, depending on how= the flag is set on the received NA or EVPN route for IP1->MAC1. I modified the text to clarify this:

 &nbs=
p; Note that, typically, IP->MAC entries with O=3D0 will not be learned,=

 &nbs=
p; and therefore the Proxy-ND function will reply to NS messages with NA
 &nbs=
p; messages that contain O=3D1.  However, this document allows the
 &nbs=
p; configuration of the "anycast" capability in the BD where the =
Proxy-
 &nbs=
p; ND function is enabled.  If "anycast" is enabled in the B=
D and an NA
 &nbs=
p; message with O=3D0 is received, the associated IP->MAC entry will be<=
/span>
 &nbs=
p; learned with O=3D0.  If this "anycast" capability is enab=
led in the BD,
 &nbs=
p; Duplicate IP Detection must be disabled so that the PE is able to=

 &nbs=
p; learn the same IP mapped to different MACs in the same Proxy-ND
 &nbs=
p; table.  If the "anycast" capability is disabled, NA messa=
ges with O
 &nbs=
p; Flag =3D 0 will not create a Proxy-ND entry (although they will be
 &nbs=
p; forwarded normally), hence no EVPN advertisement with ARP/ND Extended
 &nbs=
p; Community will be generated.

 

[ek] If O=3D0 messages = are forwarded normally regardless of "learning", that seems fine.=   Thanks.

[jorge2] that=92s correct, thanks.

 

 

[ section 3.2 ]

* Item (f) as currently written would break Enhanced DAD (RFC 7527),
  would it not?

[jorge] when addre= ssing Jean-Michel=92s concerns, we changed the text to the following. Hopef= ully that clears your concern too? Let me know please:

 &nbs=
p; f.  A PE MUST only reply to ARP-Request and NS messages with the
 &nbs=
p;     format specified in [RFC0826] and [RFC4861] resp=
ectively.
 &nbs=
p;     Received ARP-Requests and NS messages with unkno=
wn options SHOULD
 &nbs=
p;     be either forwarded (as unicast packets) to the =
owner of the
 &nbs=
p;     requested IP (assuming the MAC is known in the P=
roxy-ARP/ND table
 &nbs=
p;     and BD) or discarded.  An option to flood A=
RP-Requests/NS
 &nbs=
p;     messages with unknown options MAY be used. =
 The operator should
 &nbs=
p;     assess if flooding those unknown options may be =
a security risk
 &nbs=
p;     for the EVPN BD.  An administrative option =
to control this
 &nbs=
p;     behavior ('unicast-forward', 'discard' or 'forwa=
rd') SHOULD be
 &nbs=
p;     supported.  The 'unicast-forward' option is=
 described in
 &nbs=
p;     Section 3.4.

 

[ek] I think having the= option to discard ND packets with unknown options is highly likely to crea= te some difficulty.  I understand the intent may be to save unwanted m= ulticast traffic, and perhaps address some other concerns.  But, as I understand it, the first CE to add a Nonce= to their NS messages during DAD would result in the packets being dropped = and the device determining that there was no duplicate address conflict, po= tentially leading directly to duplicate addresses in the BD.

[jorge2] I see your point. The reason why we wanted a config option to= discard was based on the security requirements that we got from the IXP op= erator that co-authors the draft. I changed the text with the discard being optional, and adding a warning for= the operator. Let me know if this clears your concern please:

 

   f.  For Proxy-ARP, a PE MUST= only reply to ARP-Request with the

       format sp= ecified in [RFC0826].  For Proxy-ND, a PE MUST reply to

       NS messag= es with the format and options specified in [RFC4861],

       and MAY r= eply to NS messages containing other options.  Received

       NS messag= es with unknown options SHOULD be forwarded (as unicast

       packets) = to the owner of the requested IP (assuming the MAC is

       known in = the Proxy-ARP/ND table and BD).  An administrative

       choice to= control the behavior for received NS messages with

       unknown o= ptions ('unicast-forward', 'discard' or 'forward') MAY

       be suppor= ted.  The 'unicast-forward' option is described in

       Section 3= .4.  If 'discard' is available, the operator should<= /p>

       assess if= flooding NS unknown options may be a security risk for

       the EVPN = BD (and is so, enable 'discard'), or if, on the

       contrary,= not forwarding NS unknown options may disrupt

       connectiv= ity.

 


[ section 3.6 ]

* "Duplicate IP Detection for IPv6 SHOULD be disabled when IPv6
   'anycast' is activated in a given EVI."

  This doesn't seem like the right response to me.  It should be = okay to keep
  doing DAD for O=3D1 addresses regardless of the setting of this 'any= cast'
  option, I would have thought.

[jorge] yes, the DAD = procedures implemented by the CEs should continue, and this is out of the s= cope. The sentence refers to the procedure in this section which only affec= ts the PEs. We changed the text to clarify, let me know if it makes sense please:

   =
The Proxy-ARP/ND function SHOULD support duplicate IP detection as
 &nbs=
p; per this section so that ARP/ND-spoofing attacks or duplicate IPs due
 &nbs=
p; to human errors can be detected.  For IPv6 addresses, CEs will
 &nbs=
p; continue to carry out the DAD procedures as per [RFC4862].  The
 &nbs=
p; solution described in this section is an additional security<=
o:p>
 &nbs=
p; mechanism carried out by the PEs that guarantees IPv6 address moves
 &nbs=
p; between PEs are legit and not the result of an attack.  =

 
<snip&g=
t;
 
 &nbs=
p; For Proxy-ND, the Duplicate IP Detection described in this section
 &nbs=
p; SHOULD only monitor IP moves for IP->MACs learned from NA messages
 &nbs=
p; with O Flag=3D1.  NA messages with O Flag=3D0 would not override th=
e ND
 &nbs=
p; cache entries for an existing IP, and therefore the procedure in this
 &nbs=
p; section would not detect duplicate IPs.  This Duplicate IP Detectio=
n
 &nbs=
p; for IPv6 SHOULD be disabled when the IPv6 "anycast" capability=
 is
 &nbs=
p; activated in a given BD.

 

[ek] I suppose this is = fine.  I'll have to reread the text in context to be completely sure, = but thanks.

[jorge2] sounds good, thanks.

 


[ section 5.5 ]

* I think that recommending Reply Sub-Functions discard NS packets of
  unexpected for means, in practice, no new NS option or flag can ever= really
  be made to work.  The PE(s) serving the CE(s) that make "n= ew NS"
  solicitations will all need to be upgraded, and it's not immediately= clear
  to me that remote PEs wouldn't also need to be upgraded (to support = a
  possible "new NA"in response).

  If this is in fact likely to be the operational reality then I think= this
  limitation probably needs to be noted explicitly.

[jorge] is this co= ncern addressed with the previous comment about item f)? please let me know= .

 

[ek] I still think it m= ight lead to increasing the likelihood of duplicate address formation.=

[jorge2] sure. The new text changes the =91discard=92 as an option and= adds the warning (see the new =91f=92 above). Let me know if that is okay.=

 


----------------------------------------------------------------------
COMMENT:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

[[ comments ]]

[ section 3.1.1 ]

* "           &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           ... If no AR= P/ND Extended
   Community is received, the PE will add a configured R Flag/O F= lag
   to the entry.  This configured R Flag SHOULD be an admini= strative
   choice with a default value of 1."

   This reads as though the R flag should be added essentially by= default?
   I realize that might seem reasonable on a broadcast domain pop= ulated by
   almost entirely by routers but it might cause confusion w.r.t.= any
   hosts/servers added to the broadcast domain.  It seems li= ke it might be
   better if the flags were always learned reliably, propagated r= eliably,
   and never presumed?

[jorge] yes, the i= ntent is that flags for EVPN-learned entries are always learned from the ex= tended community. However the ARP/ND extended community is recent and not s= upported by RFC7432 PEs, where the proxy-ARP/ND function was already there, so this default configuration pro= vides a backwards compatibility option. I added a sentence to reflect that:= 

 &nbs=
p;    The configuration of this
 &nbs=
p;    administrative choice provides a backwards compatible =
option with
 &nbs=
p;    EVPN PEs that follow [RFC7432] but do not support this=

 &nbs=
p;    specification.

 

[ek] Ah, I see: the new= er implementations would use the info as given in the na-flags draft. = Makes sense.

[jorge2] thanks.

 

   I guess a host being mistaken for a router that never actually= sends an
   RA doesn't cause any real problems in other nodes' ND tables.&= nbsp; I would
   think, though, that if R were presumed to be 0 then it would f= orce R bit
   learning and propagation to be made to work reliably and be mo= re easily
   detected if it doesn't.

[jorge] I agree, a= nd this document provides the tools for the R flag to be correctly learned = and propagated in EVPN. As mentioned, we also wanted to cover the backward = compatibility cases for RFC7432 EVPN PEs.

 

[ek] Ack. 

[jorge2] thanks!

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I had one question for the authors. Does RFC 8584 DF election optimized per flow load balancing algorithm for SHD MHD scenarios which updates RFC 7432 address the problem and solution described in this draft. Kind Regards Gyan On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:20 AM Patrice Brissette (pbrisset) wrote: > As co-author I support adoption. > > I am aware of an IPR which is in process of being disclosed. > > > > That is yet another important draft. > > There are implementations of that draft and customers are already using > them. > > > > Regards, > > Patrice Brissette, Principal Engineer > > Cisco Systems > > > > *http://e-vpn.io * > > *http://go2.cisco.com/evpn * > > > > > > > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" > > *Date: *Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13 > *To: *"bess@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for > draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto > [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. 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I support WG adoption.

<= div dir=3D"auto">I had one question for the authors.

Does RFC 8584 DF election optimized per flow l= oad balancing algorithm for SHD MHD scenarios which updates RFC 7432 addres= s the problem and solution described in this draft.
=
Kind Regards=C2=A0

<= /div>
Gyan

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:20 AM Patrice Bri= ssette (pbrisset) <pbrisset=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

As co-aut= hor I support adoption.

I am awar= e of an IPR which is in process of being disclosed.

=C2=A0

That is yet another impo= rtant draft.

There are implementation= s of that draft and customers are already using them.<= /p>

=C2=A0

Regards,<= u>

Patrice B= rissette, Principal Engineer

Cisco Sys= tems

=C2=A0=

http://e-vpn.io=

http://go2.cisco.com/evpn<= /a>

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org>= ; on behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-ev= pn-l2gw-proto

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draf= t-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].=

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes = on April 12th 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

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Section 1.1 suggests that they are coming > from CFM (but without a normative reference to 802.1Q), but the terminology > implies that they are being taken from RFC 6136. Although I have tweaked them a bit, the descriptions/definitions were in the draft when I took up the pen along with the reference to RFC 6136. So I don't know where they came from. Surely the important thing is their accuracy. > Certainly, there seem to be places in this document where more meaning of > these terms seems to be expected than what is provided in the terminology > section. Section 2.6 refers to CCMs, but I think that a reader would only > understand what these are if they have read CFM. Hence, I think that this > document would probably benefit from having a normative reference to 802.1Q > rather than informative. I have no problem with adding more references to 802.1Q but would moving 802.1Q from Informational to Normative require a new Last Call since it is not an IETF Standards Track document? > Minor comments: > > 2.1 OAM Layering > > "and shows which devices have visibility into what OAM layer(s)." > > Perhaps indicate by the 'o' symbol. Otherwise the fact that the Link OAM is the > end point of the physical links, whereas the other OAM endpoints are may cause > confusion. I'm not sure exactly what you are saying. The ends of the Link OAM correspond to the ports. The other types of OAM generally run between the central control planes of the nodes. Do you want me to add something to the text about the 'o' symbols? ("and, as indicated by where the "o"s line up, shows which devices have visibility into what OAM layer(s).") Or what? > Figure 2: While I tried to give some hints in the details of this Figure, in some of your comments below I think you are trying to read way too much into fine details of this very high level diagram. > - Would it be helpful to move the 'o' marks to the end of the PE devices, to > line up with the Link OAM end points? > > - Is "Service CFM" the right term here? Does this mean "Service OAM - CFM"? Probably should be "CFM (Service OAM)" and the PE "o" marks for it should be moved to line up with the CE facing edge of the PE since those ports are what are involved. Network OAM, such as BFD, logically runs between central control planes of the PEs so having the "o" centrally under the PE seems best to me. > - Probably helpful to add an informative reference to 802.3 Link OAM, which is > in figure 2. OK, that can be made into a reference. > 2.2 EVPN Service OAM > > - I'm not sure how clear "towards the device" is when the point is already > within the device. How about "towards the core of the device"? A port is one the edge of a device so I think that saying it is "within the device" has a slightly wrong connotation. If you have two devices with 4 ports as follows: P1-Dev1-P2----------P3-Dev2-P4 CFM permits you to run tests between P1 and P2 or between P3 and P4 that test the continuity through and switching fabric of the devices without using a link. Of course, you can also run tests from P1 to P3 or P2 to P3 or P1 to P4 or whatever. (Not all implementations of CFM actually do all this. Some implement the MEPs/MIPs as virtual MEPs/MPs in the ports that are actually implemented in the central control plane of the device.) > - The up and down arrows for the MEPS ("^" and "V") seem to potentially make > Figure 3 more confusing. Also "down" should be changed to "Down" in the last > CE. OK on the case change. So, on the ASCII art arrow heads, you think I should just delete them? > Nits: > > I'm not sure why the PE nodes are numbered by CE nodes are not. Since these numbers are never used in the text, I'm inclined to eliminate them. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. 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OK. > "MD" appears in your Terminology section, but nowhere else in the document. Well, Maintenance Domain is used in the definition of MA in the Terminology section so I'll add an "(MD)" there. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. 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Since Section 2.2 described a process where the =E2=80=9CEVPN= PE MUST learn > the MAC address of locally attached CE MEPs by snooping on CFM frames ...= =E2=80=9D, is > there is reason not to add the DoS caution from [RFC4762] of =E2=80=9CSom= e means to > limit the number of MAC addresses ... that a PE can learn SHOULD be > implemented.=E2=80=9D I believe that sentence should be "EVPN PE MUST, by default, learn the MAC address of locally attached CE MEPs by ..." I don't see any problem with adding "Some means to limit the number of MAC addresses that a PE will learn SHOULD be implemented." Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. 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Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 3:29 AM Zaheduzzaman Sarker wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for the responses. Please see inline below. > > BR > Zahed > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2021-04-07, 20:21, "Donald Eastlake" wrote= : > > Thanks for your comments. See below. > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 1:02 PM Zaheduzzaman Sarker via Datatracker > wrote: > > > > Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection > > > > ... > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > COMMENT: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > > > Thanks for the document and thanks to David Black for TSVART review= . > > > > Nits/comments: > > > > * P-MAC and C-MAC are these defined somewhere else? References wou= ld be nice > > here. > > P-MAC does not occur in the draft; I think you mean B-MAC. C-MAC is > Customer/Client MAC address and B-MAC is Backbone MAC address as > further specified in RFC 7623. These can be spelled out and a > reference to RFC 7623 (which is already listed in the References for > the draft) added. > > Yes, I meant B-MAC and C-MAC . And yes spelling out and reference will be= helpful. > > > * Section 1.3, Section 2.1 and Section 2.2 describes P nodes in d= ifferent > > ways and that has created confusion to me. Can this be well define= d in the > > terminology section once and just be used in other place? > > OK, except I think it should be spelled out on first use in 2.1. But > certainly the wording should be parallel in these cases. > > > * Section 2.5 : "[802.3]" is this supposed to be a reference? it l= eads to > > nowhere. > > Yes, it is intended to be reference to IEEE Std 802.3-2015 (or > whatever the most recent version is). I have no idea why the nits > checker doesn't complain about this being missing from the References > sections. If it did, it would already have been fixed. Since this is > just an example, I think it can be added as an Informational > Reference. > OK. > > > * Section 3.1.1.2.1 : first time encountered "network management s= tation > > (NMS)", if this document is not introducing it then I would sugges= t to at this > > to section 1.3 and add some descriptive texts, otherwise define it= . > > Would it be sufficient to add an entry in the terminology section > (1.3) and a reference to RFC 6623? > > Yes, that will do. > > > * Section 3.1.2.1 : would be nice to expand MTU. > > Sure. > > > * Section 3.2.1: I can't really parse - "EVPN Network OAM SHOULD = provide > > mechanisms for measuring packet loss for a given service [RFC7680]= [RFC6673]." > > are these IPPM mechanisms recommended to be used for EVPN networks= ? or are > > those merely examples? > > These are examples. > > In that case, I would suggest to rephrase the sentence to be clear that t= hose are examples. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > From nobody Thu Apr 8 17:53:48 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F6A3A242E; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:53:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.837 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.837 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vYPuhsE_bm3j; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2f.google.com (mail-io1-xd2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73C543A2431; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2f.google.com with SMTP id r193so4192203ior.9; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 17:53:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=47wgE4defJXrY1tejSN22Wk6ThFlmWL+MU76bIOaqE0=; b=oGkumUpEKHXxe49IIDH83m+t7aYrult4BiU+r3C67wAPLyOR/lChUbTiPwBXSEnADs y3uDk7mcVbGk+H1f6M4ZyfcljsTJRrQxBeFVn8GfBNUbSRtZlgbqNS2v3IN6g+0O1Zvh 2OGzXFOafoVFucEanRPu8sBdxo6A9JrcdkveUpvRV5A+0F3iD8LsAoccToaixIEIwk6O /QM4PF0nEuVX63Z/1E4mTE8rPJhF9fRfRRA3gaoklPYQfg4R08BzzRXyUvONM5WhOJoU uj4bT+RR3rECOMIrm1ofYcHZ6zbRKJ5msQm2Vm7WMKNvihGzg1WaJ4cJ2XOQFyLSotFr Os8g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=47wgE4defJXrY1tejSN22Wk6ThFlmWL+MU76bIOaqE0=; b=qpuRkBSDRsJQy/lCwJ5sd0kX/TvVSPcCUTvVxhO2iZTkJ1l4SCklQ0MUEMeoJOPX7m ikSzn7at9yOpQ6DIfVA73b96FSYAXdaZ5VY+/Gl1S6YfPoGWARIOcHbUyQB9dmE5+WpQ 9+VK6tyGjgdst/ku3iWINYRgTGR7fSWqsRzgO4WzkjCoywozKr1sIKue0M43f8niaP+y kGEcxu2FysC/YbwGlDwDJCIcucbgXy/RyltTlOm3F9SZHNzmwlLVhfAlVpNWMwDyQob0 URnPJ0EV60LjZ4b3wRFC+E9bkRXU1Ql7rhG3tzw39zT/HtBKndEyDSp7Ma2JNyIhT+b4 /eFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ELi+dMZqU2qXDjr1RvRKCzkbkXioMepE+guaMaI4hmL/F9WmO UlVrlz/4MMFD/lollfWUrT5OpgPn5rlw9GS44NM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyMbrkV8W/M+LKFavyeUw8enzRO/ymwYWfRcxzbXRL40IAJp6m+AjO0GHKklh3efLkB/grSfuvPOdwxUay2MRI= X-Received: by 2002:a02:94a9:: with SMTP id x38mr11602080jah.50.1617929619614; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 17:53:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <161778329117.9898.2004229729312481675@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 20:53:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , BESS , Matthew Bocci Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf?= =?utf-8?q?-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:53:47 -0000 Hi Eric, On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:36 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wr= ote: > Donald, > > Thank you for your reply as well as for answering all the questions. I li= ke your suggestion about MA/MEP/MIP. > > About the last point (synthetic traffic or iOAM), while I understand the = point that OAM should work in the absence of actual traffic (pretty obvious= indeed), I am still ambivalent whether this document should only be about = synthetic traffic without being open to other OAM techniques. Well, I don't think there is anything in the document prohibiting or recommending against using, for example, IOAM. I suppose a statement could be added saying that it MAY be used, but then there are a lot of things that may be used... Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Regards > > -=C3=A9ric > > =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message----- > From: Donald Eastlake > Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021 at 00:05 > To: Eric Vyncke > Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.or= g" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , BESS , Matthew Bocci > Subject: Re: =C3=89ric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-= req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) > > Hi =C3=89ric, > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:14 AM =C3=89ric Vyncke via Datatracker > wrote: > > > > =C3=89ric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection > > > > ... > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > COMMENT: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > > > Thank you for the work put into this document. > > > > Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies wou= ld be > > appreciated). > > > > I hope that this helps to improve the document, > > > > Regards, > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > =3D=3D COMMENTS =3D=3D > > > > Minor regret for a doc shepherd write-up, which is dated 9 months a= go... > > > > -- Section 1 -- > > Introducing C-MAC and B-MAC could be useful for the reader. > > C-MAC is Customer/Client MAC address and B-MAC is Backbone MAC addres= s > as further specified in RFC 7623. These can be spelled out and a > reference to RFC 7623 (which is already listed in the References for > this draft) added. > > > -- Section 1.3 -- > > Slighlty puzzled by MA/MEP/MIP as those are only about the M of OAM= . Should > > those be OAMA, OAMEP, OAMIP ? Or at least should there be some expl= anations ? > > MA/MEP/MIP are all terms used in CFM (Connectivity Fault Management) > which is specified in 802.1Q. There could be some wording adjustment > to clarify this. For example, saying that they are "part of" Service > OAM rather than implying they might be all of it. > > > -- Section 2.2 -- > > I must confess my lack of knowledge about CFM frames but I am puzzl= ed by > > "snooping on CFM frames and advertising them to remote PEs as a MAC= /IP" 1) if > > the CFM frame are not IP, then how can it be advertised in a MAC/IP= ? (i.e., > > the CE may not use IP at all) 2) if the CFM frame are IP, then whic= h version of > > IP ? and how to recognize them ? Or did I miss something obvious ? > > CFM frames are not IP. However, the EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route i= s > quite flexible and includes a length for the IP address. As stated in > RFC 7432 "By default, the IP Address Length field is set to 0, and th= e > IP Address field is omitted from the route." If you do know an IP > address and want to advertise it, then the length is 32 or 128, as > appropriate, and the IP address is included. > > > -- Section 3.1.2.1 -- > > Does this section cover OAM designed by other WG ? E.g., > > draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data or draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark > > > > -- Section 3.2.1 -- > > Mostly the same comment as for 3.1.2.1, this section is only about = synthetic > > traffic injection. > > EVPN Network OAM could include OAM designed by other WGs including > ioam. However, in my opinion the mandatory capabilities should be > available even in the absence of real traffic. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:05 AM, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com wrote: Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evp= n-l2gw-proto [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/ _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --_000_E644519406C14C17B0DD2B963DA661F8ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <71356E06D4B5B14EB2F63AB519E5D4D8@namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support the adoption.

On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:05 AM, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,<= /span>

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG=  adoption poll = for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].

 <= /span>

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 
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MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rich Ingram Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:28:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: bess@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000858f1305bfbd440f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 02:29:55 -0000 --000000000000858f1305bfbd440f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As a network operator looking forward to this solution, I support the adoption. Rich Ingram University of Minnesota From: BESS on behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" < slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 12:13 AM To: "bess@ietf.org" Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/ --000000000000858f1305bfbd440f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= As a network operator looking fo= rward to this solution, I support the adoption.


Rich Ingram

Univers= ity of Minnesota




From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" <= ;slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>=
Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 12:13 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for dra= ft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto

Hello,

This email begins a = two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].
Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working grou= p list.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR tha= t applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compli= ance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more detai= ls).

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this documen= t, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware o= f any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document= will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contri= butors.

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this documen= t.

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please = explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been d= isclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

This poll for adoption clos= es on April 12th 2021.

Regards,
Matthew and Stephane


[= 1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-= proto/


--000000000000858f1305bfbd440f-- From nobody Sun Apr 11 21:16:08 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555313A2CFF; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161820096730.10653.4923148015852430823@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:16:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 04:16:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:15:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : EVPN Multi-Homing Extensions for Split Horizon Filtering Authors : Jorge Rabadan Kiran Nagaraj Wen Lin Ali Sajassi Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizon-01.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2021-04-12 Abstract: Ethernet Virtual Private Network (EVPN) is commonly used along with Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) tunnels. The EVPN multi-homing procedures may be different depending on the NVO tunnel type used in the EVPN Broadcast Domain. In particular, there are two multi-homing Split Horizon procedures to avoid looped frames on the multi-homed CE: ESI Label based and Local Bias. ESI Label based Split Horizon is used for MPLSoX tunnels, E.g., MPLSoUDP, whereas Local Bias is used for others, E.g., VXLAN tunnels. The current specifications do not allow the operator to decide which Split Horizon procedure to use for tunnel encapsulations that could support both. Examples of tunnels that may support both procedures are MPLSoGRE, MPLSoUDP, GENEVE or SRv6. This document extends the EVPN Multi-Homing procedures so that an operator can decide the Split Horizon procedure for a given NVO tunnel depending on their own requirements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizon/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizon-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizon-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-mh-split-horizon-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi authors, I have completed my shepherd's write up of the document. However, there is a normative reference to vES draft which we haven't close= d yet. I'll hold on the doc, until we have moved forward vES. It should be = closed soon I think. We'll send both together to IESG. Thanks for your understanding. --_000_SJ0PR11MB5136C4DD9A108B02DF6BE0F5C2709SJ0PR11MB5136namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi authors,

 

I have completed my shepherd= 217;s write up of the document.

However, there is a normative r= eference to vES draft which we haven’t closed yet. I’ll hold on= the doc, until we have moved forward vES. It should be closed soon I think= . We’ll send both together to IESG.

 

Thanks for your understanding.<= o:p>

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Here is my review of the document: Section 2.2: s/the DCB MUST not intersect/the DCB MUST NOT intersect/ I don't fully understand the purpose of the second part of the sentence : "or those routers MUST be considered as part of the "domain"." I think the DCB must not intersect with any other label block (common, or d= ynamic), otherwise there will be some issues. That's different from SRGB where each node could have a different one. This= should be highlighted I think. Section 3.2: "If PE Distiguisher..., they must be allocated" =3D> should this be a MUST = be ? Previous sentence is using normative language "When a PE receives an x-PMSI..., it programs its..." =3D> It should be :"i= t MUST program" "The receiving PE then programs..." =3D> It should be "Then, the receiving = PE MUST program..." "A PE MUST ignore a received route" =3D> what do you mean by ignore ? drop = the update received ? "the label in the PTA ... is treated as" =3D> MUST be treated as s/must be followed/MUST be followed IANA considerations: Could you rewrite slightly the text with more formal allocation requests (t= he content is here, it is just the way it is expressed that sounds weird to= me). You can reuse the code points from the early allocation: Example: "IANA is requested to allocate the followings: * Bit 47 (DCB-Bit) in the "Additional PMSI Tunnel Attribute Flags" reg= istry Bit Name Reference ---- -------------- ------------- 47 DCB-bit This document * Sub-type 0x08 from the "Transitive Opaque Extended Community Sub-Type= s" registry and associated to the "Context Label Space ID Extended Communit= y" Bit Name Referenc= e ---- -------------- --------= ----- 0x08 Context Label Space ID Extended Community This doc= ument Please add a security considerations section Please update the references of drafts that have become RFCs now. Here are the list of nits related to references: Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative referenc= es to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'RFC 8279' is mentioned on line 152, but not de= fined =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'BIER-MVPN' is mentioned on line 155, but not d= efined =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'BIER-EVPN' is mentioned on line 155, but not d= efined =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'RFC 6514' is mentioned on line 235, but not de= fined =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'EVPN-BUM' is mentioned on line 294, but not de= fined =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'I-D.ietf-bess-evpn-bum-procedure-updates' is de= fined on line 580, but no explicit reference was found in the text =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-bier-mvpn has been published as RFC= 8556 =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing has been pub= lished as RFC 8402 " --_000_SJ0PR11MB5136FBD53EC0393B52C8663AC2709SJ0PR11MB5136namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Here is my review of the docume= nt:

 

Section 2.2:<= /p>

s/the DCB MUST not intersect/th= e DCB MUST NOT intersect/

 

I don’t fully understand = the purpose of the second part of the sentence :

“or those route=
rs MUST be

 &= nbsp; considered as part of the "domain".”

&n= bsp;

I think the DCB must not inters= ect with any other label block (common, or dynamic), otherwise there will b= e some issues.

That’s different from SRG= B where each node could have a different one. This should be highlighted I = think.

 

 

Section 3.2:<= /p>

“If PE Distiguisher…= ;, they must be allocated” =3D> should this be a MUST be ? Previou= s sentence is using normative language

 

“When a PE receives an x-= PMSI…, it programs its…” =3D> It should be :”it = MUST program”

 

“The receiving PE then pr= ograms…” =3D> It should be “Then, the receiving PE MUS= T program…”

 

“A PE MUST ignore a recei= ved route” =3D> what do you mean by ignore ? drop the update recei= ved ?

 

“the label in the PTA = 230; is treated as” =3D> MUST be treated as

 

s/must be followed/MUST be foll= owed

 

 

IANA considerations:=

Could you rewrite slightly the = text with more formal allocation requests (the content is here, it is just = the way it is expressed that sounds weird to me). You can reuse the code po= ints from the early allocation:

 

Example:

“IANA is requested to all= ocate the followings:

  • Bit 47 (DCB-Bit) in the “Additional PMSI T= unnel Attribute Flags”  registry

 = 

     Bi=
t         Name   &nb=
sp;            =
             Re=
ference
     --=
--        --------------  &nbs=
p;            &=
nbsp;   -------------
     47=
          DCB-bit  &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;           This documen=
t

 =

 =

  • Sub-type 0x08 from the “Transitive Opaque = Extended Community Sub-Types” registry and associated to the “C= ontext Label Space ID Extended Community”

 

     Bi=
t         Name   &nb=
sp;            =
             &n=
bsp;            =
;    Reference
     --=
--        --------------  &nbs=
p;            &=
nbsp;            &nb=
sp;       -------------
     0x=
08        Co=
ntext Label Space ID Extended Community &n=
bsp;       This document
 

 

 

 

Please add a security considera=
tions section


 


Please update the references of=
 drafts that have become RFCs now.


 


Here are the list of nits relat=
ed to references:


 


  Checking references =
for intended status: Proposed Standard


  --------------------=
--------------------------------------------------------<=
/pre>

 

     (S=
ee RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative references=



     to=
 lower-maturity documents in RFCs)


 

  =3D=3D Missing Refer=
ence: 'RFC 8279' is mentioned on line 152, but not defined


 

  =3D=3D Missing Refer=
ence: 'BIER-MVPN' is mentioned on line 155, but not defined


 

  =3D=3D Missing Refer=
ence: 'BIER-EVPN' is mentioned on line 155, but not defined


 

  =3D=3D Missing Refer=
ence: 'RFC 6514' is mentioned on line 235, but not defined


 

  =3D=3D Missing Refer=
ence: 'EVPN-BUM' is mentioned on line 294, but not defined


 

  =3D=3D Unused Refere=
nce: 'I-D.ietf-bess-evpn-bum-procedure-updates' is defined


     on=
 line 580, but no explicit reference was found in the text


 

  =3D=3D Outdated refe=
rence: draft-ietf-bier-mvpn has been published as RFC 8556


 

  =3D=3D Outdated refe=
rence: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing has been published


     as RFC 8402


 


 


 


“


 
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bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:04:03 -0000 --000000000000c9a8a105bfc97f5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM John Scudder via Datatracker < noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: Discuss > > ... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 2.3: > > EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring > capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they > exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order > that they share the same fate. > > It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical entrop= y characteristics to > data traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entropy > characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data traffic > are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? I guess when you changed your COMMENT to a DISCUSS it creates a new thread so I should reply here as I did to this when it was a COMMENT: How about something more like: EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM and data. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one question. > > 1. Section 1, nit: > > =E2=80=9CEVPN is an Layer 2=E2=80=9D s/an/a/ OK. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com --000000000000c9a8a105bfc97f5a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM John Scudder vi= a Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org&= gt; wrote:
>
> John Scudder has entered the following ballot po= sition for
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: Discuss
>> ...
>
> ------------------------------------------------= ----------------------
> DISCUSS:
> ---------------------------= -------------------------------------------
>
> Section 2.3:>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band= monitoring
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST b= e encoded so that they
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0exhibit identical entropy chara= cteristics to data traffic in order
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0that they share th= e same fate.
>
> It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean b= y =E2=80=9Cidentical entropy characteristics to
> data traffic=E2=80= =9D. Surely, different flows may have different entropy
> characteris= tics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data traffic
> = are you saying the OAM messages must share fate?

I guess when you ch= anged your COMMENT to a DISCUSS it creates a new thread so I should reply h= ere as I did to this when it was a COMMENT:

How about something more= like:
= EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. O= AM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy characte= ristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM and = data.

> -------------------------------------= ---------------------------------
> COMMENT:
> ----------------= ------------------------------------------------------
>
> Than= ks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one question.>
> 1. Section 1, nit:
>
> =E2=80=9CEVPN is an Layer = 2=E2=80=9D s/an/a/

OK.

Thanks,Donald
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-50= 8-333-2270 (cell)
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X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C383A0EB3; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:44:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: John Scudder via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, Matthew Bocci , matthew.bocci@nokia.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: John Scudder Message-ID: <161824948616.28095.14867242163694780139@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:44:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:44:47 -0000 John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the text of my previously-a-discuss for reference: Section 2.3: EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order that they share the same fate. It’s not obvious to me what you mean by “identical entropy characteristics to data traffic”. Surely, different flows may have different entropy characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data traffic are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? Donald proposed: How about something more like: EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM and data. That's fine. (s/in order maximize/in order to maximize/) I'm switching to "no objection" in anticipation of the document being updated. Previous comment: Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one question. 1. Section 1, nit: “EVPN is an Layer 2” s/an/a/ From nobody Mon Apr 12 11:31:05 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AAB3A116F; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=C02pb/Dk; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=zLcf/rwG Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by 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Thanks, Jim Uttaro From: BESS On Behalf Of Aparna Pattekar (apjoshi) Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 4:17 PM To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com Cc: bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-= l2gw-proto Support the adoption. On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:05 AM, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com wrote: Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evp= n-l2gw-proto [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/<= https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette= -bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/__;!!BhdT!1egCID2rWVeFU6GcsZ4nuKD7Ut6vWX4hYnhhIMZJPe3= 7HG2RpvEkpWlvyIA$> _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --_000_MW4PR02MB739449E63324C36F96FA6FFEC6709MW4PR02MB7394namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Su= pport the adoption.

 

Th= anks,

&n= bsp;            = ; Jim Uttaro

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Aparna Pattekar (apjoshi)
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 4:17 PM
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bes= s-evpn-l2gw-proto

 

Support the adoption.



On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:05 AM, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com wrote:

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for&n= bsp;draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies = to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not &n= bsp;progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on April 1= 2th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

 

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Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:27 PM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. > > Title : EVPN Operations, Administration and Maintenance > Requirements and Framework > Authors : Samer Salam > Ali Sajassi > Sam Aldrin > John E. Drake > Donald E. Eastlake > Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-09.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2021-04-12 > > Abstract: > This document specifies the requirements and reference framework for > Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM). > The requirements cover the OAM aspects of EVPN and PBB-EVPN (Provider > Backbone Bridge EVPN). The framework defines the layered OAM model > encompassing the EVPN service layer, network layer, underlying Packet > Switched Network (PSN) transport layer, and link layer but focuses on > the service and network layers. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-09 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-09 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-09 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --000000000000e0575e05bfcd32e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This revision has changes to resolve IESG comments=C2=A0an= d one DISCUSS,
On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 5:27 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= EVPN Operations, Administration and Maintenance Requirements and Framework=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Same= r Salam
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ali Sajassi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sam Aldrin
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John E. Drake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Donald E. Eastlake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-09.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 21
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2021-04-12

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies the requirements and reference framewo= rk for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Operations, Administration and Maintenance= (OAM).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The requirements cover the OAM aspects of EVPN and PBB-EVPN (P= rovider
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Backbone Bridge EVPN).=C2=A0 The framework defines the layered= OAM model
=C2=A0 =C2=A0encompassing the EVPN service layer, network layer, underlying= Packet
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Switched Network (PSN) transport layer, and link layer but foc= uses on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the service and network layers.



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That is a very important use case for for operators for SHD, SHN scenario for more granular per flow versus per VLAN DF election and load balancing. So this draft is an optimization for SHD, SHN per flow load balancing updating RFC 7432, similar to RFC 8584 MHD, MHN optimization per flow load balancing which updates RFC 7432. Kind Regards Gyan On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:09 AM Patrice Brissette (pbrisset) < pbrisset@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Gyan, > > > > RFC8584 talks about all-active which sometime is referred as active-active > per flow where a host is reachable via both MH PE. > > The L2GW protocol draft is completely different. It is about single-active > per flow load balancing where a host is reachable via a single MH PE at a > time. > > > > Regards, > > Patrice Brissette, Principal Engineer > > Cisco Systems > > > > *http://e-vpn.io * > > *http://go2.cisco.com/evpn * > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Gyan Mishra > *Date: *Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 13:59 > *To: *Patrice Brissette > *Cc: *"bess@ietf.org" , "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" < > slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> > *Subject: *Re: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for > draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto > > > > I support WG adoption. > > > > I had one question for the authors. > > > > Does RFC 8584 DF election optimized per flow load balancing algorithm for > SHD MHD scenarios which updates RFC 7432 address the problem and solution > described in this draft. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:20 AM Patrice Brissette (pbrisset) 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > As co-author I support adoption. > > I am aware of an IPR which is in process of being disclosed. > > > > That is yet another important draft. > > There are implementations of that draft and customers are already using > them. > > > > Regards, > > Patrice Brissette, Principal Engineer > > Cisco Systems > > > > *http://e-vpn.io * > > *http://go2.cisco.com/evpn * > > > > > > > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" > > *Date: *Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13 > *To: *"bess@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for > draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto > [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > -- > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --0000000000004fb8e405bfcd3b98 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0Patrice

Makes sense.=C2=A0 That is a very important use case for for oper= ators for SHD, SHN scenario for more granular per flow versus per VLAN DF e= lection and load balancing.

So this draft is an optimization for SHD, SHN per flow load balancing u= pdating RFC 7432, similar to RFC 8584 MHD, MHN optimization per flow load b= alancing which updates RFC 7432.

Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:09 AM Patrice Brissette (pbr= isset) <pbrisset@cisco.com>= wrote:

Hi Gyan,

=C2=A0

RFC8584 talks about all-active = which sometime is referred as active-active per flow where a host is reacha= ble via both MH PE.

The L2GW protocol draft is comp= letely different. It is about single-active per flow load balancing where a= host is reachable via a single MH PE at a time.

=C2=A0

Regards,<= u>

Patrice B= rissette, Principal Engineer

Cisco Sys= tems

=C2=A0=

http://e-vpn.io<= /a>

http://go2.cisco.com/evpn

=C2=A0=

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=C2=A0

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com= >
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 13:59
To: Patrice Brissette <pbrisset@cisco.com>
Cc: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>, "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bes= s-evpn-l2gw-proto

=C2=A0

I support WG adoption.=

=C2=A0

I had one question for th= e authors.

=C2=A0

Does RFC 8584 DF election= optimized per flow load balancing algorithm for SHD MHD scenarios which up= dates RFC 7432 address the problem and solution described in this draft.=

=C2=A0

Kind Regards=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11= :20 AM Patrice Brissette (pbrisset) <pbrisset=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

As co-author I support adoption.=

I am aware of an IPR which is in= process of being disclosed.

=C2=A0

That is yet another important draft.<= /u>

There are implementations of that draft and cus= tomers are already using them.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Patrice Brissette, Principal Eng= ineer

Cisco Systems

=C2=A0

http://e-vpn.io<= u>

http://go2.cisco.com/evpn

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From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "<= a href=3D"mailto:slitkows.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">slitkows.ietf@g= mail.com" <slitkows.= ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13
To: "bess@ie= tf.org" <bes= s@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-ev= pn-l2gw-proto

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This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].=

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Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

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We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

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--0000000000004fb8e405bfcd3b98-- From nobody Mon Apr 12 18:08:59 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D553A19EA; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TVWCLPVrI1GS; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71B043A19E5; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id x16so15428712iob.1; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:08:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=e4I9ntUMQuABUiB7TSpq5pj3LnI7Hz2RjArQoOhavTo=; b=aF0TgjRMVsxHZbwvfQbHSjLSzXayETxOwlX8Z+OpgcoLhMjHiInKLkNUHetKg0E2JI WKiXT+5EU9e5N6qmIiLifgNGQjaq+YSD7pqArfxocG4M5Pn0CLCj24O5z8LpeZuMSX6/ EJrMlA1ZFfR+Z0RtrGEcq9SSDrUqBXoe/SlEEqoChv6DTz62eRnKCga1M7Lk2ywdk0KY iBG2fm99Xp83mGaqv1TxTkAiLI/2WLge7VoHkAsDf0O52HytvJnY98Q/J+iDq+66vhyv thLrDA1sE+jmyDHTyiRVp2gs6kTdHAh/RxKG0d1XDQWviac6G5IgDaGmIv4Cs5GvMYZo Ki2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e4I9ntUMQuABUiB7TSpq5pj3LnI7Hz2RjArQoOhavTo=; b=KgNI6b20+0MysbsQc8nErVNyCmCv3llwa3ZjW4QYNEC/x2gYX2LJIifdoacCrZ860m kKv/kr6UBofJpFn6p0hyWY0+JlJc7wo3U09DxFVXaI9lCdKmJHJesCDlFreOGOehxKCS +581GJ9FMgCCk6xdWZF45eTXF1QYGxHTuTsGSxAq025v2bK117i0WASH4syxa4i4//bB oRuNBVHaQnWqsvsofpGcmiW0yxJJidZ37DDURFOXaVXcLdyDBjT8Eojpqw7LDMY+c/h0 HTO7sqQU+6pShbV0GM8QguAlapNXM/IipNnKekDnKt38Gl0Bh8lGOG7XbQz05ZWYExr4 9vRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53048WJTdtQIhUmcytWzfflGjXwsui82bqcLmZb0huPw7LhVY8vA uiKSrVY+1+Ygz2XQoGRTnicuDQZj/kseupOcJh4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx2XvYSPagDozyRmY1fJgc6nhJJxArMvKJaXpJnZBW1L46MYHJp8z1CXhfZHTfJHP12fbzYDMvLmLjrZV/1zLM= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8893:: with SMTP id d19mr5485333ioo.167.1618276123732; Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:08:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <161784748630.10496.1561945888518033066@ietfa.amsl.com> <4AC417C2-9668-4414-B7BC-EC069F05CD37@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <4AC417C2-9668-4414-B7BC-EC069F05CD37@juniper.net> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:08:32 -0400 Message-ID: To: John Scudder Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" , Matthew Bocci Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000080f1ec05bfd045f5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 01:08:57 -0000 --00000000000080f1ec05bfd045f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, I've posted -09 which should resolve your DISCUSS and COMMENTs. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM John Scudder wrote: > Thanks for hopping threads, I shoulda caught that last one. Your proposed > change looks fine, I=E2=80=99ll remove my DISCUSS in anticipation of you = issuing a > new version. (One nit on your new text, =E2=80=9Cin order maximize=E2=80= =9D should be =E2=80=9Cin > order to maximize=E2=80=9D.) > > =E2=80=94John > > On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > Hi, > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM John Scudder via Datatracker < > noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > > > John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: Discuss > > > > ... > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Section 2.3: > > > > EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring > > capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they > > exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order > > that they share the same fate. > > > > It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical entr= opy > characteristics to > > data traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entro= py > > characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data > traffic > > are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? > > I guess when you changed your COMMENT to a DISCUSS it creates a new threa= d > so I should reply here as I did to this when it was a COMMENT: > > How about something more like: > > EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. > OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy > characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing betwee= n > OAM and data. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one > question. > > > > 1. Section 1, nit: > > > > =E2=80=9CEVPN is an Layer 2=E2=80=9D s/an/a/ > > OK. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > --00000000000080f1ec05bfd045f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John,

I've posted -09 which shou= ld resolve your DISCUSS and COMMENTs.

T= hanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2= =A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703= USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@= gmail.com


On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM John Scu= dder <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:<= br>
Thanks for hopping threads, I shoulda caught that last one. Your proposed c= hange looks fine, I=E2=80=99ll remove my DISCUSS in anticipation of you iss= uing a new version. (One nit on your new text, =E2=80=9Cin order maximize= =E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cin order to maximize=E2=80=9D.)

=E2=80=94John

On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:


[External Email. Be cautious of content]


Hi,

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM John Scudder via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:=
>
> John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: Discuss
>
> ...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> DISCUSS:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> Section 2.3:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitori= ng
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so th= at they
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic= in order
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0that they share the same fate.
>
> It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical ent= ropy characteristics to
> data traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entr= opy
> characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data = traffic
> are you saying the OAM messages must share fate?

I guess when you changed your COMMENT to a DISCUSS it creates a new thread = so I should reply here as I did to this when it was a COMMENT:

How about something more like:
EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabiliti= es. OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy cha= racteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM= and data.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one que= stion.
>
> 1. Section 1, nit:
>
> =E2=80=9CEVPN is an Layer 2=E2=80=9D s/an/a/

OK.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m

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As I say, there are lots of things it MAY use... Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:53 PM Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi Eric, > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:36 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) > wrote: > > Donald, > > > > Thank you for your reply as well as for answering all the questions. I > like your suggestion about MA/MEP/MIP. > > > > About the last point (synthetic traffic or iOAM), while I understand th= e > point that OAM should work in the absence of actual traffic (pretty obvio= us > indeed), I am still ambivalent whether this document should only be about > synthetic traffic without being open to other OAM techniques. > > Well, I don't think there is anything in the document prohibiting or > recommending against using, for example, IOAM. I suppose a statement > could be added saying that it MAY be used, but then there are a lot of > things that may be used... > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > Regards > > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message----- > > From: Donald Eastlake > > Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021 at 00:05 > > To: Eric Vyncke > > Cc: The IESG , " > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org" < > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" < > bess-chairs@ietf.org>, BESS , Matthew Bocci < > matthew.bocci@nokia.com> > > Subject: Re: =C3=89ric Vyncke's No Objection on > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) > > > > Hi =C3=89ric, > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:14 AM =C3=89ric Vyncke via Datatracker > > wrote: > > > > > > =C3=89ric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for > > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > COMMENT: > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Thank you for the work put into this document. > > > > > > Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies > would be > > > appreciated). > > > > > > I hope that this helps to improve the document, > > > > > > Regards, > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > > > =3D=3D COMMENTS =3D=3D > > > > > > Minor regret for a doc shepherd write-up, which is dated 9 months > ago... > > > > > > -- Section 1 -- > > > Introducing C-MAC and B-MAC could be useful for the reader. > > > > C-MAC is Customer/Client MAC address and B-MAC is Backbone MAC > address > > as further specified in RFC 7623. These can be spelled out and a > > reference to RFC 7623 (which is already listed in the References fo= r > > this draft) added. > > > > > -- Section 1.3 -- > > > Slighlty puzzled by MA/MEP/MIP as those are only about the M of > OAM. Should > > > those be OAMA, OAMEP, OAMIP ? Or at least should there be some > explanations ? > > > > MA/MEP/MIP are all terms used in CFM (Connectivity Fault Management= ) > > which is specified in 802.1Q. There could be some wording adjustmen= t > > to clarify this. For example, saying that they are "part of" Servic= e > > OAM rather than implying they might be all of it. > > > > > -- Section 2.2 -- > > > I must confess my lack of knowledge about CFM frames but I am > puzzled by > > > "snooping on CFM frames and advertising them to remote PEs as a > MAC/IP" 1) if > > > the CFM frame are not IP, then how can it be advertised in a > MAC/IP ? (i.e., > > > the CE may not use IP at all) 2) if the CFM frame are IP, then > which version of > > > IP ? and how to recognize them ? Or did I miss something obvious = ? > > > > CFM frames are not IP. However, the EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route > is > > quite flexible and includes a length for the IP address. As stated = in > > RFC 7432 "By default, the IP Address Length field is set to 0, and > the > > IP Address field is omitted from the route." If you do know an IP > > address and want to advertise it, then the length is 32 or 128, as > > appropriate, and the IP address is included. > > > > > -- Section 3.1.2.1 -- > > > Does this section cover OAM designed by other WG ? E.g., > > > draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data or draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark > > > > > > -- Section 3.2.1 -- > > > Mostly the same comment as for 3.1.2.1, this section is only abou= t > synthetic > > > traffic injection. > > > > EVPN Network OAM could include OAM designed by other WGs including > > ioam. However, in my opinion the mandatory capabilities should be > > available even in the absence of real traffic. > > > > Thanks, > > Donald > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > --00000000000083516e05bfd04d9b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,

I have posted revision -09 whi= ch should resolve your COMMENTs except possible that I decided not to inclu= de a statement that EVPN OAM MAY use IOAM or the like. As I say, there are = lots of things it MAY use...

Thanks,Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-50= 8-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
= =C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m


On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:53 PM Donald Eastlake &= lt;d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
<= /div>
Hi Eric,

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:36 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote:
> Donald,
>
> Thank you for your reply as well as for answering all the questions. I= like your suggestion about MA/MEP/MIP.
>
> About the last point (synthetic traffic or iOAM), while I understand t= he point that OAM should work in the absence of actual traffic (pretty obvi= ous indeed), I am still ambivalent whether this document should only be abo= ut synthetic traffic without being open to other OAM techniques.

Well, I don't think there is anything in the document prohibiting or recommending against using, for example, IOAM. I suppose a statement
could be added saying that it MAY be used, but then there are a lot of
things that may be used...

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m

> Regards
>
> -=C3=A9ric
>
> =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021 at 00:05
> To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>
> Cc: The IESG <ie= sg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.or= g" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org>, = "bess-chairs= @ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, BESS <bess@ietf.org>, Matthew Bocci <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
> Subject: Re: =C3=89ric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-ev= pn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with COMMENT)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi =C3=89ric,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:14 AM =C3=89ric Vyncke via= Datatracker
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C3=89ric Vyncke has entered the following bal= lot position for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Obje= ction
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ----------------------------------------------= ------------------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> COMMENT:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ----------------------------------------------= ------------------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Thank you for the work put into this document.=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT po= ints (but replies would be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> appreciated).
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I hope that this helps to improve the document= ,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -=C3=A9ric
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =3D=3D COMMENTS =3D=3D
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Minor regret for a doc shepherd write-up, whic= h is dated 9 months ago...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -- Section 1 --
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Introducing C-MAC and B-MAC could be useful fo= r the reader.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0C-MAC is Customer/Client MAC address and B-MAC is B= ackbone MAC address
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as further specified in RFC 7623. These can be spel= led out and a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reference to RFC 7623 (which is already listed in t= he References for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this draft) added.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -- Section 1.3 --
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Slighlty puzzled by MA/MEP/MIP as those are on= ly about the M of OAM. Should
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> those be OAMA, OAMEP, OAMIP ? Or at least shou= ld there be some explanations ?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MA/MEP/MIP are all terms used in CFM (Connectivity = Fault Management)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0which is specified in 802.1Q. There could be some w= ording adjustment
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to clarify this. For example, saying that they are = "part of" Service
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0OAM rather than implying they might be all of it. >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -- Section 2.2 --
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I must confess my lack of knowledge about CFM = frames but I am puzzled by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> "snooping on CFM frames and advertising t= hem to remote PEs as a MAC/IP" 1) if
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the CFM frame are not IP, then how can it be a= dvertised in a MAC/IP ? (i.e.,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the CE may not use IP at all) 2) if the CFM fr= ame are IP, then which version of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> IP ? and how to recognize them ? Or did I miss= something obvious ?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0CFM frames are not IP. However, the EVPN MAC/IP Adv= ertisement route is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0quite flexible and includes a length for the IP add= ress. As stated in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC 7432 "By default, the IP Address Length fi= eld is set to 0, and the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IP Address field is omitted from the route." I= f you do know an IP
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0address and want to advertise it, then the length i= s 32 or 128, as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0appropriate, and the IP address is included.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -- Section 3.1.2.1 --
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Does this section cover OAM designed by other = WG ? E.g.,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data or draft-ietf-6man-i= pv6-alt-mark
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -- Section 3.2.1 --
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Mostly the same comment as for 3.1.2.1, this s= ection is only about synthetic
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> traffic injection.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EVPN Network OAM could include OAM designed by othe= r WGs including
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ioam. However, in my opinion the mandatory capabili= ties should be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0available even in the absence of real traffic.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Donald
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1-508-333-2270= (cell)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 d3e3e3@gmail.com
>
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Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 6:58 AM Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > Hi Donald, > > Copying Martin for the 802.1Q normative reference question. > > Please see inline. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donald Eastlake > > Sent: 08 April 2021 22:08 > > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > > Cc: The IESG ; > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org; > > bess-chairs@ietf.org; BESS ; Matthew Bocci > > > > Subject: Re: Robert Wilton's No Objection on > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req- > > frmwk-08: (with COMMENT) > > > > Hi Rob, > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:36 AM Robert Wilton via Datatracker > > wrote: > > > > > > Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for > > > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection > > > > > >... > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > COMMENT: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks for this document. > > > > > > It's a bit unclear to me whether the descriptions/definitions of > > MIP/MEP/MA/MD > > > are coming from CFM or RFC 6136. Section 1.1 suggests that they are > > coming > > > from CFM (but without a normative reference to 802.1Q), but the > > terminology > > > implies that they are being taken from RFC 6136. > > > > Although I have tweaked them a bit, the descriptions/definitions were > > in the draft when I took up the pen along with the reference to RFC > > 6136. So I don't know where they came from. Surely the important thing > > is their accuracy. > [RW] > > I guess I feel that subsequent parts of the document assume a more > detailed understanding of what MIPS/MEPS are than is described in the > terminology. This is fine, and I don't think that further text in the > terminology is required, but it was unclear to me, that if a reader wanted > to better understand what is meant by these terms whether they should be > looking at RFC 6136 or 802.1Q, and I was hoping that the document could > clarify/choose a definitive source reference. > > My impression, given how they are used, is that a reference to 802.1Q for > CFM is probably most useful. > > > > > > > Certainly, there seem to be places in this document where more meaning > > of > > > these terms seems to be expected than what is provided in the > > terminology > > > section. Section 2.6 refers to CCMs, but I think that a reader would > > only > > > understand what these are if they have read CFM. Hence, I think that > > this > > > document would probably benefit from having a normative reference to > > 802.1Q > > > rather than informative. > > > > I have no problem with adding more references to 802.1Q but would > > moving 802.1Q from Informational to Normative require a new Last Call > > since it is not an IETF Standards Track document? > [RW] > Yes, I think that would be required. But I've not raised this as a > discuss level concern so will defer to the responsible AD here. > > > > > > > > Minor comments: > > > > > > 2.1 OAM Layering > > > > > > "and shows which devices have visibility into what OAM layer(s)." > > > > > > Perhaps indicate by the 'o' symbol. Otherwise the fact that the Link > OAM > > is the > > > end point of the physical links, whereas the other OAM endpoints are > may > > cause > > > confusion. > > > > I'm not sure exactly what you are saying. The ends of the Link OAM > > correspond to the ports. The other types of OAM generally run between > > the central control planes of the nodes. > [RW] > > > Do you want me to add > > something to the text about the 'o' symbols? ("and, as indicated by > > where the "o"s line up, shows which devices have visibility into what > > OAM layer(s).") Or what? > [RW] > > Yes, this is what I was suggesting, but it is at the authors' discretion. > > > > > > > Figure 2: > > > > While I tried to give some hints in the details of this Figure, in > > some of your comments below I think you are trying to read way too > > much into fine details of this very high level diagram. > [RW] > > Perhaps. I'm happy to leave it to the authors' discretion as to whether > to change this but have given further comments below. > > > > > > > > > - Would it be helpful to move the 'o' marks to the end of the PE > > devices, to > > > line up with the Link OAM end points? > > > > > > - Is "Service CFM" the right term here? Does this mean "Service OAM - > > CFM"? > > > > Probably should be "CFM (Service OAM)" and the PE "o" marks for it > > should be moved to line up with the CE facing edge of the PE since > > those ports are what are involved. Network OAM, such as BFD, logically > > runs between central control planes of the PEs so having the "o" > > centrally under the PE seems best to me. > [RW] > > The reason that I suggested moving these (for figure 2 only, not figure 1) > is because I interpret figure 2 as specifically talking about Ethernet > EVPNs, using CFM and Link OAM. > > Figure 3 and the associated text also gives a description of the > appropriate demarcation point for CE facing MIPS and MEPS and describes is > as being much more closely aligned to ports (i.e., towards the PE > forwarding mechanism) then a single central control plane location. > > Hence, I think that if I was drawing this diagram, with symbols to > indicate the demarcation points, then I would probably have drawn it > slightly differently, with the o symbols in slightly different places. > Probably along with a short explanation on why it is different to figure 1, > tying it to section 2.2. > > But as above, I'm happy to leave it to the authors to decide whether what > I propose would make the document clearer. > > > > > > > - Probably helpful to add an informative reference to 802.3 Link OAM, > > which is > > > in figure 2. > > > > OK, that can be made into a reference. > > > > > 2.2 EVPN Service OAM > > > > > > - I'm not sure how clear "towards the device" is when the point is > > already > > > within the device. > > > > How about "towards the core of the device"? A port is one the edge of > > a device so I think that saying it is "within the device" has a > > slightly wrong connotation. > [RW] > > I agree that "towards the core of the devices" is clearer. > > > > > > > If you have two devices with 4 ports as follows: > > P1-Dev1-P2----------P3-Dev2-P4 > > CFM permits you to run tests between P1 and P2 or between P3 and P4 > > that test the continuity through and switching fabric of the devices > > without using a link. Of course, you can also run tests from P1 to P3 > > or P2 to P3 or P1 to P4 or whatever. (Not all implementations of CFM > > actually do all this. Some implement the MEPs/MIPs as virtual MEPs/MPs > > in the ports that are actually implemented in the central control > > plane of the device.) > [RW] > > Yes. Hence why I was suggesting that moving the 'o' symbols on figure 2 > may be clearer. > > > > > > > - The up and down arrows for the MEPS ("^" and "V") seem to potentially > > make > > > Figure 3 more confusing. Also "down" should be changed to "Down" in > the > > last > > > CE. > > > > OK on the case change. So, on the ASCII art arrow heads, you think I > > should just delete them? > [RW] > > That would be my recommendation, but happy to leave it to the authors' > discretion. > > > > > > > Nits: > > > > > > I'm not sure why the PE nodes are numbered by CE nodes are not. > > > > Since these numbers are never used in the text, I'm inclined to eliminate > > them. > [RW] > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > > > Thanks, > > Donald > > =============================== > > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > > > Regards, > > > Rob > --000000000000d6a94c05bfd0502f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rob,

I have posted a -09 revision wh= ich should resolve your COMMENTs.

Thank= s,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0= +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 US= A
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gma= il.com


On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 6:58 AM Rob Wilton = (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>= ; wrote:
Hi Dona= ld,

Copying Martin for the 802.1Q normative reference question.

Please see inline.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
> Sent: 08 April 2021 22:08
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>
> Cc: The IESG <ie= sg@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org;=
> bess-chairs@= ietf.org; BESS <b= ess@ietf.org>; Matthew Bocci
> <matth= ew.bocci@nokia.com>
> Subject: Re: Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= oam-req-
> frmwk-08: (with COMMENT)
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:36 AM Robert Wilton via Datatracker
> <noreply@ietf= .org> wrote:
> >
> > Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for
> > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: No Objection
> >
> >...
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
> > COMMENT:
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for this document.
> >
> > It's a bit unclear to me whether the descriptions/definitions= of
> MIP/MEP/MA/MD
> > are coming from CFM or RFC 6136.=C2=A0 Section 1.1 suggests that = they are
> coming
> > from CFM (but without a normative reference to 802.1Q), but the > terminology
> > implies that they are being taken from RFC 6136.
>
> Although I have tweaked them a bit, the descriptions/definitions were<= br> > in the draft when I took up the pen along with the reference to RFC > 6136. So I don't know where they came from. Surely the important t= hing
> is their accuracy.
[RW]

I guess I feel that subsequent parts of the document assume a more detailed= understanding of what MIPS/MEPS are than is described in the terminology.= =C2=A0 This is fine, and I don't think that further text in the termino= logy is required, but it was unclear to me, that if a reader wanted to bett= er understand what is meant by these terms whether they should be looking a= t RFC 6136 or 802.1Q, and I was hoping that the document could clarify/choo= se a definitive source reference.

My impression, given how they are used, is that a reference to 802.1Q for C= FM is probably most useful.


>
> >=C2=A0 Certainly, there seem to be places in this document where m= ore meaning
> of
> >=C2=A0 these terms seems to be expected than what is provided in t= he
> terminology
> >=C2=A0 section.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Section 2.6 refers to CCMs, but I thin= k that a reader would
> only
> >=C2=A0 understand what these are if they have read CFM.=C2=A0 Henc= e, I think that
> this
> >=C2=A0 document would probably benefit from having a normative ref= erence to
> 802.1Q
> >=C2=A0 rather than informative.
>
> I have no problem with adding more references to 802.1Q but would
> moving 802.1Q from Informational to Normative require a new Last Call<= br> > since it is not an IETF Standards Track document?
[RW]
Yes, I think that would be required.=C2=A0 But I've not raised this as = a discuss level concern so will defer to the responsible AD here.



>
> > Minor comments:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02.1 OAM Layering
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"and shows which devices have visibility = into what OAM layer(s)."
> >
> > Perhaps indicate by the 'o' symbol. Otherwise the fact th= at the Link OAM
> is the
> > end point of the physical links, whereas the other OAM endpoints = are may
> cause
> > confusion.
>
> I'm not sure exactly what you are saying. The ends of the Link OAM=
> correspond to the ports. The other types of OAM generally run between<= br> > the central control planes of the nodes.
[RW]

> Do you want me to add
> something to the text about the 'o' symbols? ("and, as in= dicated by
> where the "o"s line up, shows which devices have visibility = into what
> OAM layer(s).") Or what?
[RW]

Yes, this is what I was suggesting, but it is at the authors' discretio= n.


>
> > Figure 2:
>
> While I tried to give some hints in the details of this Figure, in
> some of your comments below I think you are trying to read way too
> much into fine details of this very high level diagram.
[RW]

Perhaps.=C2=A0 I'm happy to leave it to the authors' discretion as = to whether to change this but have given further comments below.




>
> >=C2=A0 - Would it be helpful to move the 'o' marks to the = end of the PE
> devices, to
> >=C2=A0 line up with the Link OAM end points?
> >
> >=C2=A0 - Is "Service CFM" the right term here?=C2=A0 Doe= s this mean "Service OAM -
> CFM"?
>
> Probably should be "CFM (Service OAM)" and the PE "o&qu= ot; marks for it
> should be moved to line up with the CE facing edge of the PE since
> those ports are what are involved. Network OAM, such as BFD, logically=
> runs between central control planes of the PEs so having the "o&q= uot;
> centrally under the PE seems best to me.
[RW]

The reason that I suggested moving these (for figure 2 only, not figure 1) = is because I interpret figure 2 as specifically talking about Ethernet EVPN= s, using CFM and Link OAM.

Figure 3 and the associated text also gives a description of the appropriat= e demarcation point for CE facing MIPS and MEPS and describes is as being m= uch more closely aligned to ports (i.e., towards the PE forwarding mechanis= m) then a single central control plane location.

Hence, I think that if I was drawing this diagram, with symbols to indicate= the demarcation points, then I would probably have drawn it slightly diffe= rently, with the o symbols in slightly different places.=C2=A0 Probably alo= ng with a short explanation on why it is different to figure 1, tying it to= section 2.2.

But as above, I'm happy to leave it to the authors to decide whether wh= at I propose would make the document clearer.


>
> >=C2=A0 - Probably helpful to add an informative reference to 802.3= Link OAM,
> which is
> >=C2=A0 in figure 2.
>
> OK, that can be made into a reference.
>
> > 2.2 EVPN Service OAM
> >
> > - I'm not sure how clear "towards the device" is wh= en the point is
> already
> > within the device.
>
> How about "towards the core of the device"? A port is one th= e edge of
> a device so I think that saying it is "within the device" ha= s a
> slightly wrong connotation.
[RW]

I agree that "towards the core of the devices" is clearer.



>
> If you have two devices with 4 ports as follows:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0P1-Dev1-P2----------P3-Dev2-P4
> CFM permits you to run tests between P1 and P2 or between P3 and P4 > that test the continuity through and switching fabric of the devices > without using a link. Of course, you can also run tests from P1 to P3<= br> > or P2 to P3 or P1 to P4 or whatever. (Not all implementations of CFM > actually do all this. Some implement the MEPs/MIPs as virtual MEPs/MPs=
> in the ports that are actually implemented in the central control
> plane of the device.)
[RW]

Yes. Hence why I was suggesting that moving the 'o' symbols on figu= re 2 may be clearer.


>
> > - The up and down arrows for the MEPS ("^" and "V&= quot;) seem to potentially
> make
> > Figure 3 more confusing.=C2=A0 Also "down" should be ch= anged to "Down" in the
> last
> > CE.
>
> OK on the case change. So, on the ASCII art arrow heads, you think I > should just delete them?
[RW]

That would be my recommendation, but happy to leave it to the authors' = discretion.


>
> > Nits:
> >
> > I'm not sure why the PE nodes are numbered by CE nodes are no= t.
>
> Since these numbers are never used in the text, I'm inclined to el= iminate
> them.
[RW]

Thanks,
Rob


>
> Thanks,
> Donald
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=C2=A0 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>=C2=A0 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
>=C2=A0 d3e3e3@gma= il.com
>
> > Regards,
> > Rob
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I am aware of an IPR which is in process of being disclosed. =20 Regards, Luc Andr=E9 Burdet | Cisco | laburdet.ietf@gmail.com | Tel: +1 613 254 4814 =20 =20 From: BESS > on = behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com " > Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13 To: "bess@ietf.org " > Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto =20 Hello, =20 This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1]. =20 Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. =20 We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). =20 If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document = will not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. =20 Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. =20 If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please = explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed = in conformance with IETF rules. =20 This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021. =20 Regards, Matthew and Stephane =20 =20 [1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_18F1_01D73047.369D51D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

We are currently missing the IPR = poll reply from Ali regarding this draft.

 

Ali,

 

Could you please reply to the IPR = poll ?

 

Thanks,

 

 

From: Luc Andr=E9 Burdet = <laburdet.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: mercredi 7 avril 2021 = 18:45
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; = bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for = draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto

 

As co-author I support adoption.

I am aware of an IPR which is in = process of being disclosed.

 

Regards,

Luc Andr=E9 Burdet |  Cisco =  |  laburdet.ietf@gmail.com = |  Tel: +1 613 254 4814

 

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com"= <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 03:13
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: = [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for = draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto

 

Hello,

 

This email = begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].

 

Please = review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group = list.

 

We are = also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to = this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details).

 

If you are = listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to = this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant = undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not =  progress without answers from all of the authors and = contributors.

 

Currently, = there are no IPR disclosures against this document.

 

If you are = not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond = only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in = conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes = on April 12th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew = and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-pr= oto/

 

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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Yang Data Model for BGP/MPLS L3 VPNs Authors : Dhanendra Jain Keyur Patel Patrice Brissette Zhenbin Li Shunwan Zhuang Xufeng Liu Jeffrey Haas Santosh Esale Bin Wen Filename : draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang-05.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2021-04-13 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage BGP Layer 3 VPNs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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"draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ef6a0e05bfd8f078" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:29:26 -0000 --000000000000ef6a0e05bfd8f078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As co-author of this BCP for edge peering to carry IPv4 NLRI over an IPv6 single peer, eliminating the IPv4 peer, I support WG adoption. I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Thank you Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) < matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote: > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --000000000000ef6a0e05bfd8f078 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As co-author of this BCP for edge peering = to carry IPv4 NLRI =C2=A0over an IPv6 single peer, eliminating the IPv4 pee= r, I support WG adoption. =C2=A0

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

Thank you=C2=A0
<= br>
Gyan

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM Bocci, = Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew= .bocci@nokia.com> wrote:

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).=

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.=

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes = on April 27th 2021.=

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide= -ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support adoption. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: BESS On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bess@ietf.= org Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv= 4nlri-ipv6nh/ --_000_BL0PR05MB5316321E809C3BB8258EE631AE4F9BL0PR05MB5316namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

I support adoption.=

 

   &= nbsp;         Ron=

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From:= BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bes= s@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

 

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Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].<= /span>

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This = ;poll for ado= ption closes on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4= nlri-ipv6nh/

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Be cautious of content]* > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. 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support adoption

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From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh@ietf.org; b= ess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

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[External Email. Be= cautious of content]

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Hello,

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This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll= =C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-m= ishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].=

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

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We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).=

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If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

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Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.=

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If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

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This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on Ap= ril 27th 2021.=

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Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, I support the adoption. Best Regards, Huaimo From: BESS On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bess@ietf.= org Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv= 4nlri-ipv6nh/ --_000_MN2PR13MB4087D6DBB3EA0BD39532160CF24F9MN2PR13MB4087namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Everyone,

    I support the adoption.

Best Regards,
Huaimo

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bes= s@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

 

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This&nb= sp;poll for = ;adoption closes on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

 

 

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Halpern" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:15:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2256F373-A559-4839-9A6F-6B075DD1D0E3@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:15:50 -0000 this document provides a clear description of how and why to use the tools we have standardized to improve operational capabilities as part of migrating to IPv6. I support adopting this document. Yours, Joel On 4/13/2021 5:36 AM, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote: > Hello, > > This email begins a two-weeks > WG adoption pollfordraft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03[1].** > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. 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SMTP id e6mr16056147lfc.385.1618325805723; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 07:56:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2256F373-A559-4839-9A6F-6B075DD1D0E3@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <2256F373-A559-4839-9A6F-6B075DD1D0E3@nokia.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 07:56:35 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" Cc: "draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c7f2f305bfdbd625" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:56:54 -0000 --000000000000c7f2f305bfdbd625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I've read the draft and found it very useful. It addresses a real problem and allows the operator to simplify the control plane. I support the adoption of draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh by the WG. Regards, Greg On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) < matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote: > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. 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Hi,
I've read the draft and found it very useful. = It addresses a real problem and allows the operator to simplify the control= plane. I support the adoption of draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nl= ri-ipv6nh by the WG.

Regards,
Greg
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Hello,

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This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-m= ishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].

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Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).=

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If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.=

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If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

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This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0closes on April 27th 2021.

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Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support, not aware of any IPR Mankamana ________________________________ From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:36:50 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org ; bess@ietf.org Subject: WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ip= v4nlri-ipv6nh-03 Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv= 4nlri-ipv6nh/ --_000_BYAPR11MB2725D668B7724DB096457D35DF4F9BYAPR11MB2725namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support, not aware of any IPR 

Mankamana
From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia= - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:36:50 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <= draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>; bess@ietf.= org <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03
 

Hello,<= /span>

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG=  adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].

 <= /span>

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll = for adoption closes on April 27th 2021.<= span style=3D"color:black">

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

 

 

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X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR13MB3425 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:55:06 -0000 --_000_BYAPR13MB2582B5A955F39DA84A2A859EF44F9BYAPR13MB2582namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. Since the draft states "The goal of this document is to provide operators i= nteroperability test result data from external BGP PE-CE edge peering betwe= en vendors Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.", the authors should c= onsider moving that data up and out of the appendix as well as mention inte= roperability testing in the abstract/intro. mike From: BESS On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:37 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bess@ietf.= org Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv= 4nlri-ipv6nh/ --_000_BYAPR13MB2582B5A955F39DA84A2A859EF44F9BYAPR13MB2582namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.=

 

Since the draft sta= tes “The goal of this document is to provide operators interoperabili= ty test result data from external BGP PE-CE edge peering between vendors Ci= sco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.”, the authors should consider moving that data up and out of the appendix as= well as mention interoperability testing in the abstract/intro.=

 

mike

 

From:= BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bes= s@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].<= /span>

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This = ;poll for ado= ption closes on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/<= /a>

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Tue, 13 Apr 2021 19:22:19 -0000 --000000000000165a6f05bfdf8ca4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike Good points. I will make the recommended adjustments. Thanks Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 1:55 PM Michael McBride < michael.mcbride@futurewei.com> wrote: > Support. > > > > Since the draft states =E2=80=9CThe goal of this document is to provide o= perators > interoperability test result data from external BGP PE-CE edge peering > between vendors Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.=E2=80=9D, the a= uthors > should consider moving that data up and out of the appendix as well as > mention interoperability testing in the abstract/intro. > > > > mike > > > > *From:* BESS *On Behalf Of *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia > - GB) > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:37 AM > *To:* draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; > bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. 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Hi Mike=C2=A0

Good points.=C2=A0 I will make the recommended adjustments.
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Thanks=C2=A0

Gyan

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 1:55 PM= Michael McBride <micha= el.mcbride@futurewei.com> wrote:

Support.<= /u>

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Since the draft sta= tes =E2=80=9CThe goal of this document is to provide operators interoperabi= lity test result data from external BGP PE-CE edge peering between vendors = Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.=E2=80=9D, the authors should consider moving that data up and out of the appendix as= well as mention interoperability testing in the abstract/intro.<= /u>

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Hello,

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This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll=C2= =A0for= =C2=A0draft-mishra= -bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[= 1].

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Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

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We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).=

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If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

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Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.=

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If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

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This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on April 27th 2021.<= u>

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X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SA0PR13MB4159 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 19:42:01 -0000 --_000_SN6PR13MB2334AA2CE21574E52FEA9D7B854F9SN6PR13MB2334namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I supported the WG adoption for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri= -ipv6nh-03. However, I have some questions about the draft, hope the authors can addres= s them: * Section 3 (Page 5) states "The goal of this document is to provide op= erators interoperability test result data from ..." But I can't find any section in the draft describing the "interoperability = test result". * RFC8950 already allows IPv4 NLRI with next hop address being IPv6, an= d RFC4684 allows the Next Hop address to be either IPv4 or IPv6. It is not= very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft. Is it P= E-CE? The draft did mention the value of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE, but I a= m not sure if it is the only feature. Can authors clarify? Best regards, Linda Dunbar ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) > Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org >, bess@ietf.org <= bess@ietf.org> Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv= 4nlri-ipv6nh/ _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess -- [http://ss7.vzw.com/is/image/VerizonWireless/vz-logo-email] Gyan Mishra Network Solutions Architect Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com M 301 502-1347 --_000_SN6PR13MB2334AA2CE21574E52FEA9D7B854F9SN6PR13MB2334namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I supported the WG adoption for draft-mishra-bess-de= ployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03.

However, I have some questions about the draft, hope= the authors can address them:

 

  • Section 3 (Page 5) states “The goal of this document is to prov= ide operators interoperability test result data from …”

But I can’t find any section in the dra= ft describing the “interoperability test result”.

 

  • RFC8950 already allows IPv4 NLRI with next hop address being IPv6, an= d RFC4684 allows the Next Hop address to be either IPv4 or IPv6.  It i= s not very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft. Is it PE-CE? The draft did mention the val= ue of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE, but I am not sure if it is the only featur= e. Can authors clarify?

 

Best regards,

Linda Dunbar

 

 

 

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bo= cci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <dra= ft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-dep= loyment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].<= span lang=3D"EN-GB">

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on April 27t= h 2021.

 

Regards,=

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-= deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

 

 

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--_000_SN6PR13MB2334AA2CE21574E52FEA9D7B854F9SN6PR13MB2334namp_-- From nobody Tue Apr 13 12:50:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC13A3A2522; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: Matthew Bocci , bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation@ietf.org, mankamana mishra , mankamis@cisco.com, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <161834341262.14850.2133981179250695473@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 12:50:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Last Call: (MVPN and MSDP SA Interoperation) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 19:50:13 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'MVPN and MSDP SA Interoperation' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-04-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies the procedures for interoperation between Multicast Virtual Private Network (MVPN) Source Active routes and customer Multicast Source Discovery Protocol (MSDP) Source Active routes, which is useful for MVPN provider networks offering services to customers with an existing MSDP infrastructure. Without the procedures described in this document, VPN-specific MSDP sessions are required among the PEs that are customer MSDP peers. This document updates RFC6514. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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It= is > not very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft.= Is > it PE-CE? The draft did mention the value of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE= , but > I am not sure if it is the only feature. Can authors clarify? > > Gyan> Yes PE-CE is the only feature. This drafts goal is focused on PE-CE > Core and Data Center or any flavor edge peering and provide vendor > interoperability results using RFC 8950 next hop encoding extension to > carry control plane IPv4 NLRI over an IPv6 next hop. > > Best regards, > > Linda Dunbar > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)* > Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM > Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, > bess@ietf.org > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document wil= l > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > -- > > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --0000000000009af82005bfe00e24 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Linda=C2=A0

=
Responses in-line=C2=A0

=
Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 = at 3:42 PM Linda Dunbar <l= inda.dunbar@futurewei.com> wrote:

I supported the WG adoption for draft-mishra-bess-de= ployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03.

However, I have some questions about the draft, hope= the authors can address them:

=C2=A0

  • Section 3 (Page 5) states =E2=80=9CThe goal of this document is to prov= ide operators interoperability test result data from =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D<= /u>

But I can=E2=80=99t fin= d any section in the draft describing the =E2=80=9Cinteroperability test re= sult=E2=80=9D.

Gya= n> The test results are =C2=A0in the appendix which we plan to move it u= p to section 3. =C2=A0

  • RFC8950 already allows IPv4 NLRI with next hop address being IPv6, and = RFC4684 allows the Next Hop address to be either IPv4 or IPv6.=C2=A0 It is = not very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft. Is it PE-CE? The draft did mention the val= ue of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE, but I am not sure if it is the only featur= e. Can authors clarify?

Gyan> Yes PE-CE is the only f= eature. This drafts goal is focused on PE-CE Core and Data Center or any fl= avor edge peering and provide vendor interoperability results using RFC 895= 0 next hop encoding extension to carry control plane IPv4 NLRI over an IPv6= next hop. =C2=A0

Best regards,

Linda Dunbar

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bo= cci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org<= /a>>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-= 03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on April 27th 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,<= /u>

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
BESS mailing list
BESS@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess<= /p>

--

Gyan Mishra

Network Solutions Architect=C2=A0

Email gyan.s.mishr= a@verizon.com

M 301 = 502-1347

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gyan, Thank you very much for the explanation. If PE-CE is the only feature enabled by the draft, can you make it more cle= ar in the introduction section? The following statement in the Abstraction doesn't quite clearly say about = PE-CE using RFC8950. "This document describes the critical use case and OPEX savings of being able to leverage the MP-BGP capability exchange usage as a pure transport, allowing both IPv4 and IPv6 to be carried over the same (Border Gateway Protocol) BGP TCP session." Thank you. Linda From: Gyan Mishra Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:59 PM To: Linda Dunbar Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) ; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployme= nt-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 Hi Linda Responses in-line Kind Regards Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 3:42 PM Linda Dunbar > wrote: I supported the WG adoption for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri= -ipv6nh-03. However, I have some questions about the draft, hope the authors can addres= s them: * Section 3 (Page 5) states "The goal of this document is to provide op= erators interoperability test result data from ..." But I can't find any section in the draft describing the "interoperability = test result". Gyan> The test results are in the appendix which we plan to move it up to = section 3. * RFC8950 already allows IPv4 NLRI with next hop address being IPv6, an= d RFC4684 allows the Next Hop address to be either IPv4 or IPv6. It is not= very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft. Is it P= E-CE? The draft did mention the value of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE, but I a= m not sure if it is the only feature. Can authors clarify? Gyan> Yes PE-CE is the only feature. This drafts goal is focused on PE-CE C= ore and Data Center or any flavor edge peering and provide vendor interoper= ability results using RFC 8950 next hop encoding extension to carry control= plane IPv4 NLRI over an IPv6 next hop. Best regards, Linda Dunbar ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) > Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org >, bess@ietf.org <= bess@ietf.org> Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. 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Gyan,

 

Thank you very much for the explanation. =

If PE-CE is the only feature enabled by the draft, c= an you make it more clear in the introduction section?

The following statement in the Abstraction doesnR= 17;t quite clearly say about PE-CE using RFC8950.  

“This document d= escribes the critical use case and OPEX savings of

being able to leverage= the MP-BGP capability exchange usage as a pure

transport, allowing bo= th IPv4 and IPv6 to be carried over the same

(Border Gateway Protoc= ol) BGP TCP session.”

 

Thank you.

Linda

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com&g= t;
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:59 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>; bes= s@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

 

 

Hi Linda 

 

Responses in-line 

 

Kind Regards 

 

Gyan

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 3:42 PM Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com&g= t; wrote:

I supported the WG adoption for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide= -ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03.

However, I have some questions about the draft, hope the authors c= an address them:

 

  • Section 3 (Page 5) states “The goal of this document is to provide op= erators interoperability test result data from …”

But I can’t find a= ny section in the draft describing the “interoperability test result&= #8221;.

Gyan> The test result= s are  in the appendix which we plan to move it up to section 3.  = ;

  • RFC8950 already allows IPv4 NLRI with next hop address being IPv6, and RFC4= 684 allows the Next Hop address to be either IPv4 or IPv6.  It is not = very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft. Is it PE= -CE? The draft did mention the value of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE, but I am not sure if it is the only feature.= Can authors clarify?

Gyan> Yes PE-CE is the only feature. This drafts goal is focuse= d on PE-CE Core and Data Center or any flavor edge peering and provide vend= or interoperability results using RFC 8950 next hop encoding extension to carry control plane IPv4 NLRI over an IPv6 = next hop.  

Best regards,

Linda Dunbar

 

 

 

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bo= cci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org<= /a>>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>=

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03<= span class=3D"m-7374333159994420288m6891927141910337615apple-converted-spac= e"> [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for&n= bsp;adoption closes on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/=

 

 

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Thank you Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 4:16 PM Linda Dunbar wrote: > Gyan, > > > > Thank you very much for the explanation. > > If PE-CE is the only feature enabled by the draft, can you make it more > clear in the introduction section? > > The following statement in the Abstraction doesn=E2=80=99t quite clearly = say about > PE-CE using RFC8950. > > *=E2=80=9CThis document describes the critical use case and OPEX savings = of* > > *being able to leverage the MP-BGP capability exchange usage as a pure* > > *transport, allowing both IPv4 and IPv6 to be carried over the same* > > *(Border Gateway Protocol) BGP TCP session.=E2=80=9D* > > > > Thank you. > > Linda > > *From:* Gyan Mishra > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:59 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar > *Cc:* Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) ; bess@ietf.or= g > *Subject:* Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > > > Hi Linda > > > > Responses in-line > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 3:42 PM Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > I supported the WG adoption for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03. > > However, I have some questions about the draft, hope the authors can > address them: > > > > - Section 3 (Page 5) states =E2=80=9CThe goal of this document is to p= rovide > operators interoperability test result data from =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D > > But I can=E2=80=99t find any section in the draft describing the =E2=80= =9Cinteroperability > test result=E2=80=9D. > > Gyan> The test results are in the appendix which we plan to move it up t= o > section 3. > > - RFC8950 already allows IPv4 NLRI with next hop address being IPv6, > and RFC4684 allows the Next Hop address to be either IPv4 or IPv6. It= is > not very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft.= Is > it PE-CE? The draft did mention the value of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE= , but > I am not sure if it is the only feature. Can authors clarify? > > Gyan> Yes PE-CE is the only feature. This drafts goal is focused on PE-CE > Core and Data Center or any flavor edge peering and provide vendor > interoperability results using RFC 8950 next hop encoding extension to > carry control plane IPv4 NLRI over an IPv6 next hop. > > Best regards, > > Linda Dunbar > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)* > Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM > Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, > bess@ietf.org > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document wil= l > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > -- > > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > -- > > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --00000000000009436c05bfe07155 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Linda=C2=A0

Thank you for your comments and I will make the abstract clearer = by adding PE-CE as the only relevance for this drafts interoperability test= ing.

Thank you=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

On Tue, Apr = 13, 2021 at 4:16 PM Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com> wrote:

Gyan,

=C2=A0

Thank you very much for the explanation. <= /u>

If PE-CE is the only feature enabled by the draft, c= an you make it more clear in the introduction section?

The following statement in the Abstraction doesn=E2= =80=99t quite clearly say about PE-CE using RFC8950. =C2=A0

=E2=80=9CThis document= describes the critical use case and OPEX savings of

being able to leverage= the MP-BGP capability exchange usage as a pure

transport, allowing bo= th IPv4 and IPv6 to be carried over the same

(Border Gateway Protoc= ol) BGP TCP session.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

Thank you.

Linda

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:59 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hi Linda=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Responses in-line=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind Regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 3:42 PM Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@f= uturewei.com> wrote:

I supported the WG adoption for draft-mishra-bess-de= ployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03.

However, I have some questions about the draft, hope= the authors can address them:

=C2=A0

  • Section 3 (Page 5) states =E2=80=9CThe goal of this document is to provide = operators interoperability test result data from =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D<= u>

But= I can=E2=80=99t find any section in the draft describing the =E2=80=9Cinte= roperability test result=E2=80=9D.

Gya= n> The test results are =C2=A0in the appendix which we plan to move it u= p to section 3. =C2=A0

  • RFC8950 already allows IPv4 NLRI with next hop address being IPv6, and RFC4= 684 allows the Next Hop address to be either IPv4 or IPv6.=C2=A0 It is not = very clear to me of the additional features enabled by this draft. Is it PE= -CE? The draft did mention the value of applying RFC8950 to PE-CE, but I am not sure if it is the only feature.= Can authors clarify?

Gyan> Yes PE-CE is the only feature. This drafts = goal is focused on PE-CE Core and Data Center or any flavor edge peering an= d provide vendor interoperability results using RFC 8950 next hop encoding extension to carry control plane IPv4 NLRI over an IPv6 = next hop. =C2=A0

Best regards,

Linda Dunbar

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Bo= cci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 5:37 AM
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org<= /a>>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Hello,<= /u>

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishr= a-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0<= /u>

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.=

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.=

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll<= span class=3D"m_5563400110329103434m-7374333159994420288m689192714191033761= 5apple-converted-space">=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on April= 27th 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1]=C2= =A0https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/=

=C2=A0

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M 301 502-1347

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Gyan Mishra

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M 301 = 502-1347

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Please take a look at this version which is in Last Call. Thanks! Alvaro. On April 13, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM, The IESG (iesg-secretary@ietf.org) wrote: The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'MVPN and MSDP SA Interoperation' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-04-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies the procedures for interoperation between Multicast Virtual Private Network (MVPN) Source Active routes and customer Multicast Source Discovery Protocol (MSDP) Source Active routes, which is useful for MVPN provider networks offering services to customers with an existing MSDP infrastructure. Without the procedures described in this document, VPN-specific MSDP sessions are required among the PEs that are customer MSDP peers. This document updates RFC6514. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --000000000000ec358d05bfe0fc87 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
pim = WG:

FYI

It looks like an earlier versi= on of this document was discussed on the list.=C2=A0 Please take a look at = this version which is in Last Call.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


On April 13, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM, T= he IESG (iesg-secretary@ietf.org= ) wrote:


The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess)= to
consider the following document: - 'MVPN and MSDP SA Interoperation= '
<draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-05.txt> as Propose= d Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits f= inal
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
last-call@ietf.org mailing li= sts by 2021-04-27. Exceptionally, comments may
be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. = In either case, please retain the beginning
of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


This document specifies the procedures for interoperation between
Multicast Virtual Private Network (MVPN) Source Active routes and
customer Multicast Source Discovery Protocol (MSDP) Source Active
routes, which is useful for MVPN provider networks offering services
to customers with an existing MSDP infrastructure. Without the
procedures described in this document, VPN-specific MSDP sessions ar= e
required among the PEs that are customer MSDP peers. This document
updates RFC6514.





The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-ms= dp-sa-interoperation/



No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.





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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support adoption of this draft. I have a couple of comments: In section 6, =93Changes resulting from a single IPv6 transport peer carryi= ng IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=94 It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature that= use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding. There may be some platform specific nuances. Pop-n-Forward is used by feat= ures like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast feat= ure, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of scope= . Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because= of different v4/v6 EBGP peering. With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-lab= el, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-= in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single next= hop is a question.. I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular pieces: V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP). V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP). V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled) MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away) MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away) Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 or v6. Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabilities. So = draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific platforms = were tested. Thanks Kaliraj From: BESS on behalf of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)= Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org , bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv= 4nlri-ipv6nh/ Juniper Business Use Only --_000_MN2PR05MB6511987389AD631FE7C0E131A24F9MN2PR05MB6511namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support adoption of this draft.

 

I have a couple of comments:

 

In section =
6, =93Changes resulting from a single IPv6 transport peer carrying I=
Pv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=94

 

It may be worth noting th= at this model may have some change to feature that use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-l= abel forwarding.

 

There may be some platfor= m specific nuances.  Pop-n-Forward is used by features like EPE and L3= VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast feature, so it may be in= -scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of scope.

 

Today, v4 routes and v6 r= outes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because of different v4/v6 EBGP = peering.

 

With single IPv6-transpor= t, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-label, as it is the same v6-= nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding f= or both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single nexthop is a question..

 

I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into= more granular pieces:

 

        &nbs= p;      V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP)= .  

        &nbs= p;      V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP).=  

        &nbs= p;      V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, = tunneled)

        &nbs= p;      MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop awa= y)

        &nbs= p;      MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away= )

 

     Where the MPLS payload can = be either v4 or v6.

 

Different platforms of the same vendor may have diff= erent capabilities. So draft may need to record as part of test-results, wh= ich specific platforms were tested.

 

Thanks

Kaliraj

 

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> o= n behalf of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <= draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, bess@ietf.= org <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hello,=

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-= ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].

 =

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This = ;poll for ado= ption closes on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4= nlri-ipv6nh/

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2002:a17:90a:2ac8:: with SMTP id i8mr672786pjg.112.1618363972371; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 18:32:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2256F373-A559-4839-9A6F-6B075DD1D0E3@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: From: Gyan Mishra Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 21:32:41 -0400 Message-ID: To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai Cc: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b0c77f05bfe4b968" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 01:32:59 -0000 --000000000000b0c77f05bfe4b968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kaliraj Thank you for your comments. Responses in-line Many thanks Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai wrote: > I support adoption of this draft. > > > > I have a couple of comments: > > > > In section 6, =E2=80=9CChanges resulting from a single IPv6 transport pee= r carrying IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=E2=80=9D > > > > It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature > that use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding. > > > > There may be some platform specific nuances. Pop-n-Forward is used by > features like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicas= t > feature, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of > scope. > > Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any > softwire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only > core which could be an IP, MPLS, SR. So all the middle core flavors IP= , > MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge. We also have = to > take into account L3 VPN per CE aggregate label as now that would be both > IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix label. > > Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, > because of different v4/v6 EBGP peering. > > Gyan> Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peers, IPv4 > prefixes have VPN label PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/28 and IPv6 > edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128. > > With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same > MPLS-label, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports > such MPLS-in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a > single nexthop is a question.. > > Gyan> Agreed. With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for both IPv4 and > IPv6 NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same VPN label PE-= RR > using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes. So the platform > specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - ca= n > they both be carried by the same VPN label PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128. So > the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying IPv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv= 4 > NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/128. > So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensure > that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport > the caveat is that in a VPN overlay PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI > 2/128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. > We would also QA test if it=E2=80=99s possible to keep the VPN label separa= te for > v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer to > have separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using > VPN-IPv4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128. > I will expand on this in the section 3. > I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular pieces= : > > > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP). > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP). > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled) > > MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away) > > MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away) > > > > Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 or v6. > > Gyan> Agreed. I will add all the permutations of scenarios to section 3= . > > Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabilities. S= o > draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific platform= s > were tested. > > Gyan> Agreed. We will record platform and code revisions tested. > > Thanks > > Kaliraj > > > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - > GB) > *Date: *Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM > *To: *draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, > bess@ietf.org > *Subject: *[bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. 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Hi Kaliraj=C2=A0

Thank you for your comments.

Responses in-line

Many=C2=A0thanks

Gyan

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai <kalir= aj=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ie= tf.org> wrote:

I support adoption of this draft.

=C2=A0

I have a couple of comments:

=C2=A0

In section 6, =E2=80=9CChanges resulting from a single IPv6=
 transport peer carrying IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

It may be worth noting t= hat this model may have some change to feature that use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-= label forwarding.

=C2= =A0

There may be some platfo= rm specific nuances.=C2=A0 Pop-n-Forward is used by features like EPE and L= 3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast feature, so it may be i= n-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of scope.

Gyan= > From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any softw= ire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only core wh= ich could =C2=A0be an IP, MPLS, SR. =C2=A0 So all the middle core flavors I= P, MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge.=C2=A0 We also= have to take into account L3 VPN per CE aggregate label as now that would = be both IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix =C2=A0label.

Today, v4 routes and v6 = routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because of different v4/v6 EBGP= peering.

=C2= =A0Gyan> =C2=A0Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peers, = IPv4 prefixes have VPN label =C2=A0PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/28 a= nd IPv6 edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128.=

With single IPv6-transpo= rt, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-label, as it is the same v6= -nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding = for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single nexthop is a question..

=C2= =A0Gyan> =C2=A0Agreed.=C2=A0 With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer f= or both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same = =C2=A0VPN label =C2=A0PE-RR using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 pre= fixes.=C2=A0 So the platform specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLR= I AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - can they both be carried by the same VPN label PE-= RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128.=C2=A0 So the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying IPv4 = NLRI would not be needed as IPv4 NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/128.

So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability t= esting to ensure that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over = IPv6 transport the caveat is that in a VPN overlay =C2=A0PE-RR VPN label VP= N-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. =C2= =A0

We would also QA test if it=E2=80=99s possible to k= eep the VPN label separate for v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the ed= ge is a single IPv6 peer to have separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as befor= e with IPv4 NLRI using VPN-IPv4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6= AFI/SAFI 2/128.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I will exp= and on this in the section 3.

I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into= more granular pieces:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP= ). =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP)= . =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP,= tunneled)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop aw= ay)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop awa= y)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Where the MPLS payload can = be either v4 or v6.

=C2=A0Gyan> Agreed.=C2=A0 I w= ill add all the permutations of scenarios to section 3.

Different platforms of the same vendor may have diff= erent capabilities. So draft may need to record as part of test-results, wh= ich specific platforms were tested.

=C2=A0Gyan> Agreed.=C2=A0 We = will record platform and code revisions tested.

Thanks

Kaliraj

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=C2=A0<= /span>

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of = Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draft-mishra-bess-deploymen= t-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

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Hello,<= /u>

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll=C2=A0= for=C2=A0= draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].=

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Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.=

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Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.=

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on April 27th 2021.

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Regards,

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List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 01:59:27 -0000 --_000_MN2PR05MB651138AAD79D6600B9B64305A24E9MN2PR05MB6511namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Gyan, Just a minor clarification: I am less concerned about control-plane, that may just work. My comment about platform-dependency was about whether the Pop-n-Forward fo= rwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same label is used for both = v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may need to peak into the m= pls payload traffic, to determine whether it needs to send a v4 or v6 pkt t= owards the CE. Whether the platform supports such forwarding ability is the= question. Thanks Kaliraj From: Gyan Mishra Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:33 PM To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) , bess@ietf.org , draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org = Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployme= nt-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Kaliraj Thank you for your comments. Responses in-line Many thanks Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > wrote: I support adoption of this draft. I have a couple of comments: In section 6, =93Changes resulting from a single IPv6 transport peer carryi= ng IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=94 It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature that= use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding. There may be some platform specific nuances. Pop-n-Forward is used by feat= ures like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast feat= ure, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of scope= . Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any soft= wire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only core w= hich could be an IP, MPLS, SR. So all the middle core flavors IP, MPLS, = SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge. We also have to take = into account L3 VPN per CE aggregate label as now that would be both IPv4 a= nd IPv6 versus per prefix label. Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because= of different v4/v6 EBGP peering. Gyan> Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peers, IPv4 prefi= xes have VPN label PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/28 and IPv6 edge pr= efixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128. With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-lab= el, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-= in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single next= hop is a question.. Gyan> Agreed. With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for both IPv4 and IPv6 = NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same VPN label PE-RR usin= g AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes. So the platform specific= question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - can they bot= h be carried by the same VPN label PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128. So the PE-RR= VPN-IPv4 that was carrying IPv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv4 NLRI woul= d be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/128. So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensure = that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport th= e caveat is that in a VPN overlay PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128 = will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. We would also QA test if it=92s possible to keep the VPN label separate for= v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer to ha= ve separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using VPN-IPv= 4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128. I will expand on this in the section 3. I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular pieces: V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP). V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP). V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled) MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away) MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away) Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 or v6. Gyan> Agreed. I will add all the permutations of scenarios to section 3. Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabilities. So = draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific platforms = were tested. Gyan> Agreed. We will record platform and code revisions tested. Thanks Kaliraj From: BESS > on behalf = of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org >, bess@ietf.org <= bess@ietf.org> Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. 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Thanks Gyan,

 

Just a minor clarification:

 

I am less concerned about control-plane, that may ju= st work.

 

My comment about platform-dependency was about wheth= er the Pop-n-Forward forwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same = label is used for both v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may = need to peak into the mpls payload traffic, to determine whether it needs to send a v4 or v6 pkt towards the = CE. Whether the platform supports such forwarding ability is the question.<= o:p>

 

Thanks

Kaliraj

From: Gyan Mishra <hay= abusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:33 PM
To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai <kaliraj@juniper.net>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>, bes= s@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nl= ri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@i= etf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Kaliraj 

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

Responses in-line

 

Many thanks

 

Gyan

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkala= i <kaliraj=3D40juniper.n= et@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

I support adoption of this draft.

 

I have a couple of comments:

 

In section =
6, =93Changes resulting from a single IPv6 transport peer carrying I=
Pv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=94

 

It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature that= use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding.

 

There may be some platform specific nuances.  Pop-n-Forward is used by= features like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast= feature, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of = scope.

Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any s= oftwire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only cor= e which could  be an IP, MPLS, SR.   So all the middle core flavo= rs IP, MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge.  We also have to take into account L3 VPN per CE agg= regate label as now that would be both IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix &nbs= p;label.

Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because= of different v4/v6 EBGP peering.

 Gyan>  Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peer= s, IPv4 prefixes have VPN label  PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/2= 8 and IPv6 edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128.

With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-lab= el, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-= in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single next= hop is a question..

 Gyan>  Agreed.  With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for b= oth IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same &nbs= p;VPN label  PE-RR using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefixe= s.  So the platform specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - can they both be carried by the same VPN label= PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128.  So the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying I= Pv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv4 NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/12= 8.

So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensure = that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport th= e caveat is that in a VPN overlay  PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2= /128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI.  

We would also QA test if it=92s possible to keep the VPN label separate for= v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer to ha= ve separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using VPN-IPv= 4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128.

 

              I w= ill expand on this in the section 3.

I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular= pieces:

 

           =     V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP).  <= /o:p>

           =     V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP).  

           =     V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled)=

           =     MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away)<= /p>

           =     MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away)

 

     Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 o= r v6.

 Gyan> Agreed.  I will add all the permutations of sc= enarios to section 3.

Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabili= ties. So draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific p= latforms were tested.

 Gyan> Agreed.  We will record platform and code revi= sions tested.

Thanks

Kaliraj

 

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of = Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draft-mishra-bess-deploymen= t-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

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Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].=

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

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This poll for adoption closes on April 27t= h 2021.

 

Regards,

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X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 02:28:13 -0000 --0000000000002f944705bfe57f41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kaliraj for clarification. Good point. I will add comments to section 3 and 4 related to this. If the control plane for IPv4 and IPv6 can remain separate for SAFI 128 or 129, the data plane would then know the payload as the data plane forwarding would follow the control plane AFI and would not need the deep packet inspection into the MPLS payload. Agreed? This will all be included in the testing to determine the optimal overall solution. Kind Regards Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:59 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai wrote: > Thanks Gyan, > > > > Just a minor clarification: > > > > I am less concerned about control-plane, that may just work. > > > > My comment about platform-dependency was about whether the Pop-n-Forward > forwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same label is used for > both v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may need to peak int= o > the mpls payload traffic, to determine whether it needs to send a v4 or v= 6 > pkt towards the CE. Whether the platform supports such forwarding ability > is the question. > > > > Thanks > > Kaliraj > > *From: *Gyan Mishra > *Date: *Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:33 PM > *To: *Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > *Cc: *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) , bess@ietf.or= g > , > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > Hi Kaliraj > > > > Thank you for your comments. > > > > Responses in-line > > > > Many thanks > > > > Gyan > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai 40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > I support adoption of this draft. > > > > I have a couple of comments: > > > > In section 6, =E2=80=9CChanges resulting from a single IPv6 transport pee= r carrying IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=E2=80=9D > > > > It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature > that use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding. > > > > There may be some platform specific nuances. Pop-n-Forward is used by > features like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicas= t > feature, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of > scope. > > Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any > softwire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only > core which could be an IP, MPLS, SR. So all the middle core flavors IP= , > MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge. We also have = to > take into account L3 VPN per CE aggregate label as now that would be both > IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix label. > > Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, > because of different v4/v6 EBGP peering. > > Gyan> Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peers, IPv4 > prefixes have VPN label PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/28 and IPv6 > edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128. > > With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same > MPLS-label, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports > such MPLS-in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a > single nexthop is a question.. > > Gyan> Agreed. With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for both IPv4 and IPv= 6 > NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same VPN label PE-RR > using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes. So the platform > specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - ca= n > they both be carried by the same VPN label PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128. So > the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying IPv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv= 4 > NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/128. > > So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensur= e > that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport > the caveat is that in a VPN overlay PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI > 2/128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. > > We would also QA test if it=E2=80=99s possible to keep the VPN label sepa= rate for > v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer to > have separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using > VPN-IPv4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128. > > > > I will expand on this in the section 3. > > I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular pieces= : > > > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP). > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP). > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled) > > MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away) > > MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away) > > > > Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 or v6. > > Gyan> Agreed. I will add all the permutations of scenarios to section 3= . > > Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabilities. S= o > draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific platform= s > were tested. > > Gyan> Agreed. We will record platform and code revisions tested. > > Thanks > > Kaliraj > > > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - > GB) > *Date: *Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM > *To: *draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, > bess@ietf.org > *Subject: *[bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. 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Thanks Kaliraj for clarification.=C2=A0 Go= od point.

I will add com= ments to section 3 and 4 related to this.

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If the control plane for IPv4 and IPv6 can remain separat= e for SAFI 128 or 129, the data plane would then know the payload as the da= ta plane forwarding would follow the control plane AFI and would not need t= he deep packet inspection into the MPLS payload.=C2=A0 Agreed?

This will all be included in the tes= ting to determine the optimal overall solution.

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Kind Regards=C2=A0
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If the label allocated for 1/128 route is different from the 2/128 = route, even if the routes share the same nexthop, then the label can potent= ially be used to distinguish whether we need v4 or v6 forwarding. That means the label allocation in control-plane may need to consider the A= FI also as part of the key, beside the nexthop, when doing per-nexthop labe= l allocation. The platforms that don=92t support peaking into the mpls-pack= et in forwarding-plane may need to implement such a label allocation scheme= in control-plane. But another thing is: given no v4-interface-address exists towards the CE, = whether pointing a label towards v4-forwarding is possible is another quest= ion. Forwarding-experts of the concerned platform may have a better idea. Hence the suggestion on asking the respective platform-owners to confirm th= e scenario is supported. They may use either same-label or different labels= for v4,v6; whichever method works for the platform. Thanks Kaliraj From: Gyan Mishra Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) , bess@ietf.org , draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org = Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployme= nt-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Thanks Kaliraj for clarification. Good point. I will add comments to section 3 and 4 related to this. If the control plane for IPv4 and IPv6 can remain separate for SAFI 128 or = 129, the data plane would then know the payload as the data plane forwardin= g would follow the control plane AFI and would not need the deep packet ins= pection into the MPLS payload. Agreed? This will all be included in the testing to determine the optimal overall s= olution. Kind Regards Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:59 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > wrote: Thanks Gyan, Just a minor clarification: I am less concerned about control-plane, that may just work. My comment about platform-dependency was about whether the Pop-n-Forward fo= rwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same label is used for both = v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may need to peak into the m= pls payload traffic, to determine whether it needs to send a v4 or v6 pkt t= owards the CE. Whether the platform supports such forwarding ability is the= question. Thanks Kaliraj From: Gyan Mishra > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:33 PM To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) >, bess@ietf.org >, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org= > Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployme= nt-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Kaliraj Thank you for your comments. Responses in-line Many thanks Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > wrote: I support adoption of this draft. I have a couple of comments: In section 6, =93Changes resulting from a single IPv6 transport peer carryi= ng IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=94 It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature that= use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding. There may be some platform specific nuances. Pop-n-Forward is used by feat= ures like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast feat= ure, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of scope= . Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any soft= wire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only core w= hich could be an IP, MPLS, SR. So all the middle core flavors IP, MPLS, = SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge. We also have to take = into account L3 VPN per CE aggregate label as now that would be both IPv4 a= nd IPv6 versus per prefix label. Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because= of different v4/v6 EBGP peering. Gyan> Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peers, IPv4 prefi= xes have VPN label PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/28 and IPv6 edge pr= efixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128. With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-lab= el, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-= in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single next= hop is a question.. Gyan> Agreed. With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for both IPv4 and IPv6 = NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same VPN label PE-RR usin= g AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes. So the platform specific= question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - can they bot= h be carried by the same VPN label PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128. So the PE-RR= VPN-IPv4 that was carrying IPv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv4 NLRI woul= d be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/128. So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensure = that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport th= e caveat is that in a VPN overlay PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128 = will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. We would also QA test if it=92s possible to keep the VPN label separate for= v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer to ha= ve separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using VPN-IPv= 4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128. I will expand on this in the section 3. I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular pieces: V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP). V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP). V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled) MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away) MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away) Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 or v6. Gyan> Agreed. I will add all the permutations of scenarios to section 3. Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabilities. So = draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific platforms = were tested. Gyan> Agreed. We will record platform and code revisions tested. Thanks Kaliraj From: BESS > on behalf = of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org >, bess@ietf.org <= bess@ietf.org> Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. 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Agreed. If the label allocated for 1/128 route is di= fferent from the 2/128 route, even if the routes share the same nexthop, th= en the label can potentially be used to distinguish whether we need v4 or v= 6 forwarding.

 

That means the label allocation in control-plane may= need to consider the AFI also as part of the key, beside the nexthop, when= doing per-nexthop label allocation. The platforms that don=92t support pea= king into the mpls-packet in forwarding-plane may need to implement such a label allocation scheme in control-plane.

 

But another thing is: given no v4-interface-address = exists towards the CE, whether pointing a label towards v4-forwarding is po= ssible is another question. Forwarding-experts of the concerned platform ma= y have a better idea.

 

Hence the suggestion on asking the respective platfo= rm-owners to confirm the scenario is supported. They may use either same-la= bel or different labels for v4,v6; whichever method works for the platform.=

 

Thanks

Kaliraj

From: Gyan Mishra <hay= abusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM
To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai <kaliraj@juniper.net>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>, bes= s@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nl= ri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@i= etf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

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Thanks Kaliraj for clarification.  Good point.<= o:p>

 

I will add comments to section 3 and 4 related to th= is.

 

If the control plane for IPv4 and IPv6 can remain se= parate for SAFI 128 or 129, the data plane would then know the payload as t= he data plane forwarding would follow the control plane AFI and would not n= eed the deep packet inspection into the MPLS payload.  Agreed?

 

This will all be included in the testing to determin= e the optimal overall solution.

 

Kind Regards 

 

Gyan 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:59 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkala= i <kaliraj@juniper.net> wr= ote:

Thanks Gyan,

 

Just a minor clarification:

 

I am less concerned about control-plane, that may just work.

 

My comment about platform-dependency was about whether the Pop-n-F= orward forwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same label is used = for both v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may need to peak into the mpls payload traffic, to determin= e whether it needs to send a v4 or v6 pkt towards the CE. Whether the platf= orm supports such forwarding ability is the question.

 

Thanks

Kaliraj

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Hi Kaliraj 

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

Responses in-line

 

Many thanks

 

Gyan

 

I support adoption of this draft.

 

I have a couple of comments:

 

In section =
6, =93Changes resulting from a single IPv6 transport peer carrying I=
Pv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=94

 

It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature that= use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding.

 

There may be some platform specific nuances.  Pop-n-Forward is used by= features like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast= feature, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of = scope.

Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any s= oftwire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only cor= e which could  be an IP, MPLS, SR.   So all the middle core flavo= rs IP, MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge.  We also have to take into account L3 VPN per CE agg= regate label as now that would be both IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix &nbs= p;label.

Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because= of different v4/v6 EBGP peering.

 Gyan>  Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peer= s, IPv4 prefixes have VPN label  PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/2= 8 and IPv6 edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128.

With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-lab= el, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-= in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single next= hop is a question..

 Gyan>  Agreed.  With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for b= oth IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same &nbs= p;VPN label  PE-RR using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefixe= s.  So the platform specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - can they both be carried by the same VPN label= PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128.  So the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying I= Pv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv4 NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/12= 8.

So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensure = that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport th= e caveat is that in a VPN overlay  PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2= /128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI.  

We would also QA test if it=92s possible to keep the VPN label separate for= v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer to ha= ve separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using VPN-IPv= 4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128.

 

              I will expand on = this in the section 3.

I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular= pieces:

 

           =     V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP).  <= /o:p>

           =     V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP).  

           =     V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled)=

           =     MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away)<= /p>

           =     MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away)

 

     Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 o= r v6.

 Gyan> Agreed.  I will add all the permutations of sc= enarios to section 3.

Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabili= ties. So draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific p= latforms were tested.

 Gyan> Agreed.  We will record platform and code revi= sions tested.

Thanks

Kaliraj

 

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of = Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM
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Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

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We will take it back to the team. Kind Regards Gyan On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:06 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai wrote: > Agreed. If the label allocated for 1/128 route is different from the 2/12= 8 > route, even if the routes share the same nexthop, then the label can > potentially be used to distinguish whether we need v4 or v6 forwarding. > > > > That means the label allocation in control-plane may need to consider the > AFI also as part of the key, beside the nexthop, when doing per-nexthop > label allocation. The platforms that don=E2=80=99t support peaking into t= he > mpls-packet in forwarding-plane may need to implement such a label > allocation scheme in control-plane. > > > > But another thing is: given no v4-interface-address exists towards the CE= , > whether pointing a label towards v4-forwarding is possible is another > question. Forwarding-experts of the concerned platform may have a better > idea. > > > > Hence the suggestion on asking the respective platform-owners to confirm > the scenario is supported. They may use either same-label or different > labels for v4,v6; whichever method works for the platform. > > > > Thanks > > Kaliraj > > *From: *Gyan Mishra > *Date: *Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM > *To: *Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > *Cc: *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) , bess@ietf.or= g > , > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > > > Thanks Kaliraj for clarification. Good point. > > > > I will add comments to section 3 and 4 related to this. > > > > If the control plane for IPv4 and IPv6 can remain separate for SAFI 128 o= r > 129, the data plane would then know the payload as the data plane > forwarding would follow the control plane AFI and would not need the deep > packet inspection into the MPLS payload. Agreed? > > > > This will all be included in the testing to determine the optimal overall > solution. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:59 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > wrote: > > Thanks Gyan, > > > > Just a minor clarification: > > > > I am less concerned about control-plane, that may just work. > > > > My comment about platform-dependency was about whether the Pop-n-Forward > forwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same label is used for > both v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may need to peak int= o > the mpls payload traffic, to determine whether it needs to send a v4 or v= 6 > pkt towards the CE. Whether the platform supports such forwarding ability > is the question. > > > > Thanks > > Kaliraj > > *From: *Gyan Mishra > *Date: *Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:33 PM > *To: *Kaliraj Vairavakkalai > *Cc: *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) , bess@ietf.or= g > , > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > Hi Kaliraj > > > > Thank you for your comments. > > > > Responses in-line > > > > Many thanks > > > > Gyan > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai 40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > I support adoption of this draft. > > > > I have a couple of comments: > > > > In section 6, =E2=80=9CChanges resulting from a single IPv6 transport pee= r carrying IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=E2=80=9D > > > > It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature > that use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding. > > > > There may be some platform specific nuances. Pop-n-Forward is used by > features like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicas= t > feature, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of > scope. > > Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any > softwire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only > core which could be an IP, MPLS, SR. So all the middle core flavors IP= , > MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge. We also have = to > take into account L3 VPN per CE aggregate label as now that would be both > IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix label. > > Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, > because of different v4/v6 EBGP peering. > > Gyan> Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peers, IPv4 > prefixes have VPN label PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/28 and IPv6 > edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128. > > With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same > MPLS-label, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports > such MPLS-in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a > single nexthop is a question.. > > Gyan> Agreed. With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for both IPv4 and IPv= 6 > NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same VPN label PE-RR > using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes. So the platform > specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - ca= n > they both be carried by the same VPN label PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128. So > the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying IPv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv= 4 > NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/128. > > So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensur= e > that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport > the caveat is that in a VPN overlay PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI > 2/128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. > > We would also QA test if it=E2=80=99s possible to keep the VPN label sepa= rate for > v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer to > have separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using > VPN-IPv4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128. > > > > I will expand on this in the section 3. > > I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into more granular pieces= : > > > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP). > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP). > > V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP, tunneled) > > MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop away) > > MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop away) > > > > Where the MPLS payload can be either v4 or v6. > > Gyan> Agreed. I will add all the permutations of scenarios to section 3= . > > Different platforms of the same vendor may have different capabilities. S= o > draft may need to record as part of test-results, which specific platform= s > were tested. > > Gyan> Agreed. We will record platform and code revisions tested. > > Thanks > > Kaliraj > > > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - > GB) > *Date: *Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:37 AM > *To: *draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, > bess@ietf.org > *Subject: *[bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document wil= l > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > -- > > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > -- > > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --000000000000fb70d705bfe68eb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you Kaliraj for your valuable feedba= ck.

We will take it back= to the team.

Kind Regar= ds=C2=A0

Gyan

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:06 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkalai = <kaliraj@juniper.net> wrot= e:

Agreed. If the label allocated for 1/128 route is di= fferent from the 2/128 route, even if the routes share the same nexthop, th= en the label can potentially be used to distinguish whether we need v4 or v= 6 forwarding.

=C2=A0

That means the label allocation in control-plane may= need to consider the AFI also as part of the key, beside the nexthop, when= doing per-nexthop label allocation. The platforms that don=E2=80=99t suppo= rt peaking into the mpls-packet in forwarding-plane may need to implement such a label allocation scheme in control-plane.<= /u>

=C2=A0

But another thing is: given no v4-interface-address = exists towards the CE, whether pointing a label towards v4-forwarding is po= ssible is another question. Forwarding-experts of the concerned platform ma= y have a better idea.

=C2=A0

Hence the suggestion on asking the respective platfo= rm-owners to confirm the scenario is supported. They may use either same-la= bel or different labels for v4,v6; whichever method works for the platform.=

=C2=A0

Thanks

Kaliraj

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.c= om>
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM
To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai <kaliraj@juniper.net>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <<= a href=3D"mailto:draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.or= g" target=3D"_blank">draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@iet= f.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

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Thanks Kaliraj for clarification.=C2=A0 Good point.<= u>

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I will add comments to section 3 and 4 related to th= is.

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If the control plane for IPv4 and IPv6 can remain se= parate for SAFI 128 or 129, the data plane would then know the payload as t= he data plane forwarding would follow the control plane AFI and would not n= eed the deep packet inspection into the MPLS payload.=C2=A0 Agreed?

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This will all be included in the testing to determin= e the optimal overall solution.

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Kind Regards=C2=A0

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Gyan=C2=A0

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On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:59 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkala= i <kaliraj@juni= per.net> wrote:

Thanks Gyan,

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Just a minor clarification:

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I am less concerned about control-plane, that may ju= st work.

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My comment about platform-dependency was about wheth= er the Pop-n-Forward forwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same = label is used for both v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may need to peak into the mpls payload traffic, to determin= e whether it needs to send a v4 or v6 pkt towards the CE. Whether the platf= orm supports such forwarding ability is the question.

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Thanks

Kaliraj

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Hi Kaliraj=C2=A0

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Thank you for your comments.

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Responses in-line

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Many=C2=A0thanks

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Gyan

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I support adoption of this draft.

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I have a couple of comments:

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In section =
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It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature that= use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding.

=C2=A0

There may be some platform specific nuances.=C2=A0 Pop-n-Forward is used by= features like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast= feature, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of = scope.

Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any s= oftwire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only cor= e which could =C2=A0be an IP, MPLS, SR. =C2=A0 So all the middle core flavo= rs IP, MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge.=C2=A0 We also have to take into account L3 VPN per CE agg= regate label as now that would be both IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix =C2= =A0label.

Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because= of different v4/v6 EBGP peering.

=C2=A0Gyan> =C2=A0Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peer= s, IPv4 prefixes have VPN label =C2=A0PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/2= 8 and IPv6 edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128.<= /u>

With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-lab= el, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-= in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single next= hop is a question..

=C2=A0Gyan> =C2=A0Agreed.=C2=A0 With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for b= oth IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same =C2= =A0VPN label =C2=A0PE-RR using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefix= es.=C2=A0 So the platform specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - can they both be carried by the same VPN label= PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128.=C2=A0 So the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying I= Pv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv4 NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/12= 8.

So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensure = that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport th= e caveat is that in a VPN overlay =C2=A0PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2= /128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. =C2=A0

We would also QA test if it=E2=80=99s possible to keep the VPN label separa= te for v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer= to have separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using V= PN-IPv4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128.

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I w= ill expand on this in the section 3.

I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into= more granular pieces:

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP= ). =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP)= . =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP,= tunneled)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop aw= ay)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop awa= y)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Where the MPLS payload can = be either v4 or v6.

=C2=A0Gyan> Agreed.=C2=A0 I will add all the perm= utations of scenarios to section 3.

Different platforms of the same vendor may have diff= erent capabilities. So draft may need to record as part of test-results, wh= ich specific platforms were tested.

=C2=A0Gyan> Agreed.=C2=A0 We will record platform= and code revisions tested.

Thanks

Kaliraj

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support, this is good work Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: BESS On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bess@ietf.= org Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deploy= ment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv= 4nlri-ipv6nh/ --_000_MN2PR05MB6623970633463B0EDCB59427C74E9MN2PR05MB6623namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support, this is go= od work

 

Yours Irrespectivel= y,

 

John

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bes= s@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

 

<= span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",= sans-serif;color:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]=

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].<= /span>

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This = ;poll for ado= ption closes on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/

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Not aware of any undisclosed IPR.

Thanks,
Jeff 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 AM
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Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

 

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Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

 

 

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes=EF=BC=8CSupport its adoption. I think this draft gives the operator confidences to deploy pure IPv6 = transport network in coming days. =20 Some comments for the drafts are below: 1. Should the test scenarios, test items and test results be = described in more detail in the body of this draft? 2. I think such guidelines can also be used within the = operator=E2=80=99s network domain(PE-RR, or PE-PE), not only the = emphasized PE-CE edge. 3. Is it necessary for the section 4? I think changing that content = to describe some guidelines for how to using the RFC 8950 may be more = beneficial? =20 Some Nits: 1. Section 8 Security Considerations: =E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this document allow BGP to propagate = reachability information about IPv6 routes over an MPLS IPv4 core = network.=E2=80=9D Should it be: =E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this document allow BGP to propagate = reachability information about IPv4 routes over an IPv6 core = network.=E2=80=9D=20 =20 2. Section 6 =E2=80=9COperational Consideration=E2=80=9D said = =E2=80=9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 peer now exists under the IPv6 address = family configuration.=E2=80=9D =20 Should it be =E2=80=9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes reachable information = now exists under the IPv6 address family configuration.=E2=80=9D =20 3. A.1 Router and Switch Vendors Support and Quality Assurance: GUI----=E3=80=8BGUA =20 =20 =20 Best Regards =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom =20 From: bess-bounces@ietf.org On Behalf Of Bocci, = Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 PM To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; = bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for = draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 =20 Hello, =20 This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for = draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. =20 Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group = list. =20 We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to = this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). =20 If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please = respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any = relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document = will not progress without answers from all of the authors and = contributors. =20 Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. =20 If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please = explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet = been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. =20 This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. =20 Regards, Matthew and Stephane =20 =20 [1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/ =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01D731ED.897315F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes=EF=BC=8CSupport its = adoption.

I think this draft gives the operator = confidences to deploy pure IPv6 transport network in coming = days.

 

Some comments for the drafts are = below:

1.     = Should the test scenarios, test items and test = results be described in more detail in the body of this = draft?

2.     = I think such guidelines can also be used = within the operator=E2=80=99s network domain(PE-RR, or PE-PE), not only = the emphasized PE-CE edge.

3.     = Is it necessary for the section 4?=C2=A0 I = think changing that content to describe some guidelines for how to using = the RFC 8950 may be more beneficial?

 

Some Nits:

1.     = Section 8 =C2=A0Security = Considerations:

=E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this = document allow BGP to propagate reachability information about IPv6 = routes over an MPLS IPv4 core network.=E2=80=9D

Should it be:

=E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this = document allow BGP to propagate reachability information about IPv4 = routes over an IPv6 core network.=E2=80=9D

 

2.     = Section 6 =E2=80=9COperational = Consideration=E2=80=9D =C2=A0said =E2=80=9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 peer now = exists under the IPv6 address family configuration.=E2=80=9D = =C2=A0

Should it be =E2=80=9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 = prefixes reachable information now exists under the IPv6 address family = configuration.=E2=80=9D

 

3.     = A.1 Router and Switch Vendors Support and = Quality Assurance:

GUI----=E3=80=8BGUA

 

 

<= o:p> 

Best Regards

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

From: = bess-bounces@ietf.org <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of = Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 = 5:37 PM
To: = draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; = bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for = draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks = WG adoption poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-= 03 [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments to = the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any = undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has = been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, = 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of = this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not = you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing = list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of = the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against = this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a = contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any = IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF = rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes = on April 27th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

 

 

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Gyan On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:50 PM Aijun Wang wrote: > Yes=EF=BC=8CSupport its adoption. > > I think this draft gives the operator confidences to deploy pure IPv6 > transport network in coming days. > > > > Some comments for the drafts are below: > > 1. Should the test scenarios, test items and test results be > described in more detail in the body of this draft? > > Gyan> Yes this will be moved from Appendix to section 3 interoperability testing in the next revision > 2. I think such guidelines can also be used within the operator=E2=80= =99s > network domain(PE-RR, or PE-PE), not only the emphasized PE-CE edge. > Gyan> From the feedback and test use cases as the PE-CE IPv6 only peering applies to all IPv6-only IP / MPLS / SR core scenarios and is an integral part of the testing. So I will add PE-RR or PE-PE (No RR) IPv6-only peering with SAFI stacking as well to section 3. I will expand the BCP to cover IPv6 only core software mesh framework RFC 5565 and reasons why the =E2=80=9CBGP free=E2=80=9D P core is not recommended to be = dual stacked and should be IPv6-Only and in that section will add the control plane IPv6-Only PE-RR peering. From some of the feedback we will test both per prefix VPN and Per CE next hop label allocation modes. Also many more permutations. > 3. Is it necessary for the section 4? I think changing that content > to describe some guidelines for how to using the RFC 8950 may be more > beneficial? > > Gyan> Agreed. I can add some pertinent verbiage that relates to the > testing. > > Some Nits: > > 1. Section 8 Security Considerations: > > =E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this document allow BGP to propagate > reachability information about IPv6 routes over an MPLS IPv4 core network= .=E2=80=9D > > Should it be: > > =E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this document allow BGP to propagate > reachability information about IPv4 routes over an IPv6 core network.=E2= =80=9D > > Gyan> Typo. Good catch! > > 2. Section 6 =E2=80=9COperational Consideration=E2=80=9D said =E2=80= =9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 > peer now exists under the IPv6 address family configuration.=E2=80=9D > > Should it be =E2=80=9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 prefixes reachable information n= ow exists > under the IPv6 address family configuration.=E2=80=9D > > Gyan> Yes will fix. The IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI is now under the > IPv6 address family. > > 3. A.1 Router and Switch Vendors Support and Quality Assurance: > > GUI----=E3=80=8BGUA > Gyan> Will fix typo > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Aijun Wang > > China Telecom > > > > *From:* bess-bounces@ietf.org *On Behalf Of *Bocc= i, > Matthew (Nokia - GB) > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 PM > *To:* draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; > bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document wil= l > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --000000000000346df605bffbb16c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000000000000346df605bffbb16c-- From nobody Thu Apr 15 03:43:11 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FFD3A1AA3; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 03:43:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161848338628.28196.881519078374821622@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 03:43:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:43:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : Gateway Auto-Discovery and Route Advertisement for Segment Routing Enabled Domain Interconnection Authors : Adrian Farrel John Drake Eric Rosen Keyur Patel Luay Jalil Filename : draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2021-04-15 Abstract: Data centers are critical components of the infrastructure used by network operators to provide services to their customers. Data centers are attached to the Internet or a backbone network by gateway routers. One data center typically has more than one gateway for commercial, load balancing, and resiliency reasons. Segment Routing is a protocol mechanism that can be used within a data center, and also for steering traffic that flows between two data center sites. In order that one data center site may load balance the traffic it sends to another data center site, it needs to know the complete set of gateway routers at the remote data center, the points of connection from those gateways to the backbone network, and the connectivity across the backbone network. Segment Routing may also be operated in other domains, such as access networks. Those domains also need to be connected across backbone networks through gateways. This document defines a mechanism using the BGP Tunnel Encapsulation attribute to allow each gateway router to advertise the routes to the prefixes in the Segment Routing domains to which it provides access, and also to advertise on behalf of each other gateway to the same Segment Routing domain. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Apr 15 05:58:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7F73A1ECA; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:58:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: Matthew Bocci , bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, matthew.bocci@nokia.com Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <161849148873.28716.13231913918657893460@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:58:09 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Last Call: (Gateway Auto-Discovery and Route Advertisement for Segment Routing Enabled Domain Interconnection) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:58:09 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG (bess) to consider the following document: - 'Gateway Auto-Discovery and Route Advertisement for Segment Routing Enabled Domain Interconnection' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-04-29. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Data centers are critical components of the infrastructure used by network operators to provide services to their customers. Data centers are attached to the Internet or a backbone network by gateway routers. One data center typically has more than one gateway for commercial, load balancing, and resiliency reasons. Segment Routing is a protocol mechanism that can be used within a data center, and also for steering traffic that flows between two data center sites. In order that one data center site may load balance the traffic it sends to another data center site, it needs to know the complete set of gateway routers at the remote data center, the points of connection from those gateways to the backbone network, and the connectivity across the backbone network. Segment Routing may also be operated in other domains, such as access networks. Those domains also need to be connected across backbone networks through gateways. This document defines a mechanism using the BGP Tunnel Encapsulation attribute to allow each gateway router to advertise the routes to the prefixes in the Segment Routing domains to which it provides access, and also to advertise on behalf of each other gateway to the same Segment Routing domain. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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As any native English speaker knows, "recommend" is weaker than "should" and pretty much everyone, including ADs, usually treats it as such. I pretty regularly see AD comments about how "should" is almost "must" and authors need to say something about when you can violate the "should" etc. On the other hand, while I'm sure it has happened, I don't recall ever seeing such comments about "recommend". So I think the RFCs should be adjusted to correspond to actual practice. But, of course, none of this has anything to do with what you want to talk about. How about: EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. Such OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM and data: they SHOULD have a similar distribution of packet lengths, header fields and flags SHOULD have the value or values present in data packets, and bit patterns in much of the OAM packets should be similar to data. However this might not all be possible or practical: Delivery of OAM traffic to nodes that will erroneously process it as data intended for that node is normally worse that deviation from congruence with data; furthermore, there will be restrictions for proper processing of OAM typically including minimum length and value of some header field or flag that require some deviation from data; and, some characteristics of data flows that are or will be encountered may be unpredictable making it impossible or impractical to adjust OAM packets as herein advised. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 1:30 PM John Scudder wrote: > Donald, > > It being an AD=E2=80=99s prerogative to change his mind :-/ I=E2=80=99d l= ike to discuss > (if not necessarily DISCUSS, yet) this some more. > > Let=E2=80=99s remember what SHOULD means: > > 3 . SHOULD This word, or= the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there > may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a > particular item, but the full implications must be understood and > carefully weighed before choosing a different course. > > > It=E2=80=99s basically a MUST with caveats, it doesn=E2=80=99t mean =E2= =80=9Ctry your best but if > you can=E2=80=99t, oh well." Your new text is > > EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities. >> OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy >> characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing betwe= en >> OAM and data. >> >> > I=E2=80=99m now scratching my head and wondering how, as an implementor, = I=E2=80=99m > supposed to do this and what the =E2=80=9Cparticular circumstances=E2=80= =9D are that allow > me to not do it. If the text just means =E2=80=9Cgee, it would be awful n= ice if the > implementor can figure this out, but if not oh well=E2=80=9D, then at the= very > least I think the 2119 keyword isn=E2=80=99t justified, and the language = could be > softened even further as in =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s desirable for OAM messa= ges to be encoded > so that=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D But that=E2=80=99s so soft, that maybe even bet= ter would be to simply > state that fate-sharing is out of scope (if the authors really can=E2=80= =99t > provide specifics on how to do it). > > On the other hand, if you (and your co-authors) *are* able to be more > specific, then of course the sentence could be replaced with more detaile= d > recommendations. The proof of the pudding would be that I SHOULD ;-) be > able to look at your text and say =E2=80=9Cok if I=E2=80=99m using VXLAN = then I should set > the fields in the OAM packet to thus-and-such=E2=80=9D. But right now, I = think it=E2=80=99s > neither fish nor fowl. > > Thanks, > > =E2=80=94John > > On Apr 13, 2021, at 10:41 AM, John Scudder < > jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Thanks, Donald. I agree that my discuss and comments are fixed by -09. > > =E2=80=94John > > On Apr 12, 2021, at 9:08 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > I've posted -09 which should resolve your DISCUSS and COMMENTs. > > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM John Scudder wrote: > >> Thanks for hopping threads, I shoulda caught that last one. Your propose= d >> change looks fine, I=E2=80=99ll remove my DISCUSS in anticipation of you= issuing a >> new version. (One nit on your new text, =E2=80=9Cin order maximize=E2=80= =9D should be =E2=80=9Cin >> order to maximize=E2=80=9D.) >> >> =E2=80=94John >> >> On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: >> >> >> [External Email. Be cautious of content] >> >> >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM John Scudder via Datatracker < >> noreply@ietf.org> wrote: >> > >> > John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for >> > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: Discuss >> > >> > ... >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > DISCUSS: >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Section 2.3: >> > >> > EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring >> > capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so that they >> > exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic in order >> > that they share the same fate. >> > >> > It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical ent= ropy >> characteristics to >> > data traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entr= opy >> > characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data >> traffic >> > are you saying the OAM messages must share fate? >> >> I guess when you changed your COMMENT to a DISCUSS it creates a new >> thread so I should reply here as I did to this when it was a COMMENT: >> >> How about something more like: >> >> EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabilities= . >> OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy >> characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing betwe= en >> OAM and data. >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > COMMENT: >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one >> question. >> > >> > 1. Section 1, nit: >> > >> > =E2=80=9CEVPN is an Layer 2=E2=80=9D s/an/a/ >> >> OK. >> >> Thanks, >> Donald >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) >> 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA >> d3e3e3@gmail.com >> >> >> > > --000000000000e93bc605c0060ff5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John,

First, an aside: RECOMMEND really isn't the same = as SHOULD no matter what the RFCs say. As any native English speaker knows,= "recommend" is weaker than "should" and pretty much ev= eryone, including ADs, usually treats it as such. I pretty regularly see AD= comments about how "should" is almost "must" and autho= rs need to say something about when you can violate the "should" = etc. On the other hand, while I'm sure it has happened, I don't rec= all ever seeing such comments about "recommend". So I think the R= FCs should be adjusted to correspond to actual practice. But, of course, no= ne of this has anything to do with what you want to talk about.
How about:

EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring cap= abilities. Such OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar= characteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between= OAM and data: they SHOULD have a similar distribution of packet lengths, h= eader fields and flags SHOULD have the=C2=A0value=C2=A0or=C2=A0values prese= nt in data packets, and bit patterns in much of the OAM packets should be s= imilar to data. However this might not all be possible or practical: Delive= ry of OAM traffic to nodes that will erroneously process it as data intende= d for that node is normally worse that deviation from congruence with data;= furthermore, there will be restrictions for proper processing of OAM typic= ally including minimum length and value of some header field or flag that r= equire some deviation from data; and, some characteristics of data flows th= at are or will be encountered may be unpredictable making it impossible or = impractical to adjust OAM packets as herein advised.

Thanks= ,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1= -508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com
<= br clear=3D"all">
Thanks,Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-50= 8-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
= =C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m


On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 1:30 PM John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:
Donald,

It being an AD=E2=80=99s prerogative to change his mind :-/ I=E2=80=99= d like to discuss (if not necessarily DISCUSS, yet) this some more.

Let=E2=80=99s remember what SHOULD means:

3. SHOULD  
 This word, or =
the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there
   may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a
   particular item, but the full implications must be understood and
   carefully weighed before choosing a different course.

It=E2=80=99s basically a MUST with caveats, it doesn=E2=80=99t mean = =E2=80=9Ctry your best but if you can=E2=80=99t, oh well." Your new te= xt is

EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabiliti= es. OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy cha= racteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM= and data.

I=E2=80=99m now scratching my head and wondering how, as an implemento= r, I=E2=80=99m supposed to do this and what the =E2=80=9Cparticular circums= tances=E2=80=9D are that allow me to not do it. If the text just means =E2= =80=9Cgee, it would be awful nice if the implementor can figure this out, but if not oh well=E2=80=9D, then at the very least I think the = 2119 keyword isn=E2=80=99t justified, and the language could be softened ev= en further as in =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s desirable for OAM messages to be enc= oded so that=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D But that=E2=80=99s so soft, that maybe even = better would be to simply state that fate-sharing is out of scope (if the authors reall= y can=E2=80=99t provide specifics on how to do it).

On the other hand, if you (and your co-authors) *are* able to be more = specific, then of course the sentence could be replaced with more detailed = recommendations. The proof of the pudding would be that I SHOULD ;-) be abl= e to look at your text and say =E2=80=9Cok if I=E2=80=99m using VXLAN then I should set the field= s in the OAM packet to thus-and-such=E2=80=9D. But right now, I think it=E2= =80=99s neither fish nor fowl.

Thanks,

=E2=80=94John

On Apr 13, 2021, at 10:41 AM, John Scudder <jgs=3D40juniper.net@dmar= c.ietf.org> wrote:

Thanks, Donald. I agree that my discuss and comments are fixed by -09.= =C2=A0

=E2=80=94John

On Apr 12, 2021, at 9:08 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi John,

I've posted -09 which should resolve your DISCUSS and COMMENTs.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m


On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM John = Scudder <jgs@junipe= r.net> wrote:
Thanks for hopping threads, I shoulda caught that last one. Your propo= sed change looks fine, I=E2=80=99ll remove my DISCUSS in anticipation of yo= u issuing a new version. (One nit on your new text, =E2=80=9Cin order maxim= ize=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cin order to maximize=E2=80=9D.)

=E2=80=94John

On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:


[External Email. Be cautious of content]


Hi,

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:04 PM John Scudder via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:=
>
> John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: Discuss
>
> ...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> DISCUSS:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> Section 2.3:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitori= ng
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities. As such, OAM messages MUST be encoded so th= at they
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0exhibit identical entropy characteristics to data traffic= in order
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0that they share the same fate.
>
> It=E2=80=99s not obvious to me what you mean by =E2=80=9Cidentical ent= ropy characteristics to
> data traffic=E2=80=9D. Surely, different flows may have different entr= opy
> characteristics, so, *which* data traffic? Similarly, with which data = traffic
> are you saying the OAM messages must share fate?

I guess when you changed your COMMENT to a DISCUSS it creates a new thread = so I should reply here as I did to this when it was a COMMENT:

How about something more like:
EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring capabiliti= es. OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they exhibit similar entropy cha= racteristics to data traffic in order maximize the fate sharing between OAM= and data.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> Thanks for the clear and readable document. I have one nit and one que= stion.
>
> 1. Section 1, nit:
>
> =E2=80=9CEVPN is an Layer 2=E2=80=9D s/an/a/

OK.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A02386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m



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"draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org" , The IESG , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:35:19 -0000 Hi John, On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 5:40 PM John Scudder wrote: > Hi Donald, > > On Apr 15, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> First, an aside: RECOMMEND really isn't the same as SHOULD no >> matter what the RFCs say. As any native English speaker knows, >> "recommend" is weaker than "should" and pretty much everyone, >> including ADs, usually treats it as such. I pretty regularly see AD >> comments about how "should" is almost "must" and authors need to >> say something about when you can violate the "should" etc. On the >> other hand, while I'm sure it has happened, I don't recall ever >> seeing such comments about "recommend". So I think the RFCs should >> be adjusted to correspond to actual practice. But, of course, none >> of this has anything to do with what you want to talk about. > > > I look forward to your draft to update RFC 2119! > >> How about: >> >> EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring >> capabilities. Such OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they >> exhibit similar characteristics to data traffic in order maximize >> the fate sharing between OAM and data: they SHOULD have a similar >> distribution of packet lengths, header fields and flags SHOULD >> have the value or values present in data packets, and bit patterns >> in much of the OAM packets should be similar to data. However this >> might not all be possible or practical: Delivery of OAM traffic to >> nodes that will erroneously process it as data intended for that >> node is normally worse that deviation from congruence with data; >> furthermore, there will be restrictions for proper processing of >> OAM typically including minimum length and value of some header >> field or flag that require some deviation from data; and, some >> characteristics of data flows that are or will be encountered may >> be unpredictable making it impossible or impractical to adjust OAM >> packets as herein advised. > > Let me be blunt: do you need to say anything at all about this? As > far as I can tell the additional words didn=E2=80=99t make it any easier = for > an implementer to write their code, or for a customer to tell if the > implementation complies with the RFC-to-be. I agree. > =E2=80=9CTo the extent practicable, it is desirable for OAM messages to > share fate with data. Details of how to achieve this are beyond the > scope of this document.=E2=80=9D ?? Something close to that is fine with me. I think it should refer to "OAM test messages" or the like -- I don't think this applies exactly to OAM control messages. So I would say "It is desirable, to the extent practical, for OAM test messages to share fate with data messages. Details of how to achieve this are beyond the scope of this document." Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com > Thanks, > > =E2=80=94John > >> Thanks, >> Donald > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd >> +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 >> USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > Thanks, > Donald > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. 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7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161853807482.26881.10803527164891018485@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:54:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-10.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:54:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : EVPN Operations, Administration and Maintenance Requirements and Framework Authors : Samer Salam Ali Sajassi Sam Aldrin John E. Drake Donald E. Eastlake Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-10.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2021-04-15 Abstract: This document specifies the requirements and reference framework for Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM). The requirements cover the OAM aspects of EVPN and PBB-EVPN (Provider Backbone Bridge EVPN). The framework defines the layered OAM model encompassing the EVPN service layer, network layer, underlying Packet Switched Network (PSN) transport layer, and link layer but focuses on the service and network layers. 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Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 7:24 PM John Scudder wrote: > > Works for me. Thanks for the additional discussion. > > =E2=80=94John > > > On Apr 15, 2021, at 6:35 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BF[External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > > > > Hi John, > > > >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 5:40 PM John Scudder wrote: > >> Hi Donald, > >> > >>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote= : > >>> Hi John, > >>> > >>> First, an aside: RECOMMEND really isn't the same as SHOULD no > >>> matter what the RFCs say. As any native English speaker knows, > >>> "recommend" is weaker than "should" and pretty much everyone, > >>> including ADs, usually treats it as such. I pretty regularly see AD > >>> comments about how "should" is almost "must" and authors need to > >>> say something about when you can violate the "should" etc. On the > >>> other hand, while I'm sure it has happened, I don't recall ever > >>> seeing such comments about "recommend". So I think the RFCs should > >>> be adjusted to correspond to actual practice. But, of course, none > >>> of this has anything to do with what you want to talk about. > >> > >> > >> I look forward to your draft to update RFC 2119! > >> > >>> How about: > >>> > >>> EVPN Network OAM mechanisms MUST provide in-band monitoring > >>> capabilities. Such OAM messages SHOULD be encoded so that they > >>> exhibit similar characteristics to data traffic in order maximize > >>> the fate sharing between OAM and data: they SHOULD have a similar > >>> distribution of packet lengths, header fields and flags SHOULD > >>> have the value or values present in data packets, and bit patterns > >>> in much of the OAM packets should be similar to data. However this > >>> might not all be possible or practical: Delivery of OAM traffic to > >>> nodes that will erroneously process it as data intended for that > >>> node is normally worse that deviation from congruence with data; > >>> furthermore, there will be restrictions for proper processing of > >>> OAM typically including minimum length and value of some header > >>> field or flag that require some deviation from data; and, some > >>> characteristics of data flows that are or will be encountered may > >>> be unpredictable making it impossible or impractical to adjust OAM > >>> packets as herein advised. > >> > >> Let me be blunt: do you need to say anything at all about this? As > >> far as I can tell the additional words didn=E2=80=99t make it any easi= er for > >> an implementer to write their code, or for a customer to tell if the > >> implementation complies with the RFC-to-be. > > > > I agree. > > > >> =E2=80=9CTo the extent practicable, it is desirable for OAM messages t= o > >> share fate with data. Details of how to achieve this are beyond the > >> scope of this document.=E2=80=9D ?? > > > > Something close to that is fine with me. I think it should refer to > > "OAM test messages" or the like -- I don't think this applies exactly > > to OAM control messages. So I would say > > > > "It is desirable, to the extent practical, for OAM test messages > > to share fate with data messages. Details of how to achieve this > > are beyond the scope of this document." > > > > Thanks, > > Donald > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA > > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > > >> Thanks, > >> > >> =E2=80=94John > >> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Donald > > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd > >>> +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 > >>> USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com > > Thanks, > Donald > > >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> Donald E. 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--_000_SJ0PR03MB5935694166388BA41E1435E9F64C9SJ0PR03MB5935namp_-- From nobody Fri Apr 16 07:46:52 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184AF3A2848; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:46:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Matthew Bocci , The IESG , bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk@ietf.org, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, matthew.bocci@nokia.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <161858440207.6282.9384910618656899438@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:46:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Document Action: 'EVPN Operations, Administration and Maintenance Requirements and Framework' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-10.txt) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:46:42 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'EVPN Operations, Administration and Maintenance Requirements and Framework' (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-10.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the BGP Enabled ServiceS Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, John Scudder and Martin Vigoureux. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk/ Technical Summary This document specifies the requirements and reference framework for Ethernet VPN (EVPN) Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM). The requirements cover the OAM aspects of EVPN and PBB-EVPN. The framework defines the layered OAM model encompassing the EVPN service layer, network layer and underlying Packet Switched Network (PSN) transport layer. Working Group Summary EVPN is an becoming widely adopted as a technology for implementing layer 2 VPNS. OAM is required to aid in the maintenance of EVPN and to make it deployable by service providers. There is strong consensus that this work is required by the BESS working group, and this draft is required to set the context for determining the applicability of existing OAM protocols or making extensions or indeed defining new ones. Theer was no particularly controversial aspects to the draft. Document Quality EVPN is widely implemented and deployed. This draft is an informational set of requirements and a framework to guide the development of OAM for EVPN and as such does not require implementations in its own right, yet. The draft received a number of comments during WG last call which were addressed. 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b74-20020a621b4d0000b0290253ccef409dmr11036879pfb.4.1618641622551; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 23:40:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2256F373-A559-4839-9A6F-6B075DD1D0E3@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: From: Gyan Mishra Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:40:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Cc: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "bess@ietf.org" , "draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ee4f8105c0255e4b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 06:40:30 -0000 --000000000000ee4f8105c0255e4b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ketan Thanks you for your feedback on the draft. Most of your comments have been mentioned on the ML are being addressed in the next draft update. Responses in-line Many Thanks!! Gyan On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:21 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hello Authors, > > > > A few comments/observations on this draft: > > > 1. The BCP categorization does not seem right for this document and perhaps > informational is better. Is this really something that has already seen > widespread deployment such that the IETF community can say that it is the > best =E2=80=9Ccurrent=E2=80=9D practice? > Gyan> This draft addresses a real issue that has been discussed at NANOG and other operator groups around the world related to IXP major peering points where 1000s have IPv4 & IPv6 dual stacked peering exist and IPv4 address depletion have been a major issue issue for many years now. Operators around the world are clamoring for a solution that can help with worldwide address IPv4 depletion issues at the IXP peering points. With this solution IXPs as well as all infrastructure Core, DC PE-CE public or private can now utilize this solution and reap the benefits immediately on address space saving. This can be used for IPv4 core or IPv6 core and I will clarify in the draft. All infrastructure peering with this draft along with RFC 5565 now becomes officially IPv6-Only. With this draft as it stands today as a BCP, the POC QA testing from the 5 major vendors that make up almost 90%+ of the router and switch market share Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia, Huawei, the idea is that all other vendors will follow suit and adopt this BCP and implement and support this solution to help with IPv4 address depletion issues faced by their customers. We not trying to be not inclusive of all vendors, as it=E2=80= =99s impossible to test every vendor. With this draft being a BCP, as strategy, we would now once this draft is published as a best practice be able create an industry shift momentum that now all operators all around the world including Verizon as well as other tier 1 carriers as well as Tier 2 and 3 and all ISPs can use this solution immediately and start deployment once this draft becomes an RFC. This will also help with the underlying goal of worldwide IPv6 proliferation. > 2. do not think that the term =E2=80=9Clegacy=E2=80=9D is appropriate for= IPv4 and IPv4 > based services. > Gyan> Understood. I can remove the word legacy 3. RFC5565 specifies the dual-stack PEs and IPv6-only P routers for > delivering IPv4-based BGP services between the PEs via various mechanisms= . > This proposal brings that notion to the PE-CE link. The CE is dual-stack > and the PE is IPv6-only. However, it is not describing how the forwarding > plane works between PE and CE =E2=80=93 an explanation or reference is re= quired and > without that clarity I am unable to understand how to actually deploy thi= s. > Gyan> The next update will have a section that talks about IPv4 forwarding plane processing without an IPv4 address. Both the PE and CE will not have an IPv4 address, but will be able to process and forward IPv4 packets. The concept is very similar to the cisco =E2=80=9CIPv6 enable=E2=80=9D command = where you don=E2=80=99t need an IPv6 address configured on the interface for IPv6 processing and forwarding. Juniper and Nokia have tested and confirmed they have a CLI command for IPv4 forwarding without an IPv6 address. We are investigating a similar IPv4 forwarding option with the other vendors including Cisco. This is part of implementation space and each vendor will have their own existing knob if one exist or create a new knob for IPv4 forwarding without an IPv4 address. The PE-CE IPv4 forwarding without an IPv4 address configured with all the functionality and line rate processing capabilities will all be major part of the QA interoperability POC and test results. > 4. The document touches on IXP deployments, but again does not actually > cover how the forwarding works nor provides references for how this > proposal works for that deployment. > Gyan> Answered above > 5. Is section 4 really required? Wouldn=E2=80=99t a simple reference to R= FC8950 > suffice? The BGP signalling part for IPv4 over a single IPv6 peering and > over IPv6 NH is already specified and covered in various Standards Track > document (esp RFC8950) =E2=80=93 so using their references rather than re= peating > them would be better. > Gyan> As the draft pertains to PE-CE edge IPv6 only peering the use cases involved end to end forwarding over all permutations of DC or Core scenarios including both IPv4-Only and IPv6-Only core so I will be adding a section that talks specifically about the PE-CE IPv6 only peering in relation to RFC 5565 v4 edge over a v6 core and v6 edge over a v4 core. So as the core peering is all in scope as part of the interoperability testing we will keep the RFC 8950 section in the draft as it would be relevant in the POC. I will update that section as to how the RFC 8950 update to RFC 5549 is now relevant to the interoperability testing. > 6. If/when this gets published as an RFC, is the goal of this document to > describe interop test results between specific vendors, OR is it do > document the design, its operational considerations, and how it can be > realized? E.g. RFC7938 =E2=80=93 does something of that sorts. I do not t= hink that > IETF RFCs are good for documenting interop and it is better done via othe= r > =E2=80=9Clive=E2=80=9D documents since these aspects change over course o= f time. It might > even give an exclusionary impression for vendors not included in this > document or those who might add this capability down the line. I=E2=80=99= ve > generally seen implementation status sections being taken out of Standard= s > Track documents before publishing as RFC. > Gyan> Answered in #1. This draft document the design solution to a problem and as a BCP will allow operators to have the comfort level to start deployments immediately once published. The test results currently in the Appendix will all be moved to Section 3. > 7. I would request the authors to explicitly clarify the Objective/Purpos= e > of this draft in more precise and crisp manner in a section of its own so > the WG knows what it is taking up. It might also help repeating the same > throughout the document. > Gyan> Understood. I will clarify in the next update. 8. Finally, there is some language as follows in Sec 3 which perhaps needs > to be revisiting? > > > The test results published from this document provide concrete > > evidence that this is now the Best Practice for Edge peering. The > > document will be the de-facto standard for operators to now use a > > single PE-CE Edge IPv6 peer to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. > > Gyan> I will clean up the language. > > Would also request the WG and chairs to share their views on some of the > above points =E2=80=93 (1), (2), (6) and (7). Clarity on these points is,= IMHO, > important and necessary before the WG considers adoption of this document= . > > Gyan> I have complied all the feedback from the adoption call thus far > including your comments, and will be submitting the updated draft this > weekend. > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* BESS *On Behalf Of *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia > - GB) > *Sent:* 13 April 2021 15:07 > *To:* draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; > bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document wil= l > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --000000000000ee4f8105c0255e4b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ketan=C2=A0

Thanks you for your=C2=A0feedback on the draft.

Most of your comments have been mentioned= on the ML are being addressed in the next draft update.

Responses in-line
<= br>
Many Thanks!!

<= div dir=3D"auto">Gyan

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:21 AM Ketan Talaulikar= (ketant) <ketant=3D40cisc= o.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hello Authors,=

=C2=A0<= /span>

A few comments/observ= ations on this draft:

=C2=A0<= /p>


=

1. The BCP categorization does not seem right for this documen= t and perhaps informational is better. Is this really something that has al= ready seen widespread deployment such that the IETF community can say that it is the best =E2=80= =9Ccurrent=E2=80=9D practice?


=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Gyan> This draft addresses a real issue that has been discussed at= NANOG and other operator groups around the world related to IXP major peer= ing points where 1000s have IPv4 & IPv6 dual stacked peering exist and = IPv4 address depletion have been a major issue issue for many years now. = =C2=A0

Operators around = the world are clamoring for a solution that can help with worldwide address= IPv4 depletion issues at the IXP peering points.=C2=A0 With this solution = IXPs as well as all infrastructure Core, DC PE-CE public or private can now= utilize this solution and reap the benefits immediately on address space s= aving.=C2=A0 This can be used for IPv4 core or IPv6 core and I will clarify= in the draft.=C2=A0 All infrastructure peering with this draft along with = RFC 5565 now becomes officially IPv6-Only.

With this draft as it stands today as a BCP, the POC QA = testing from the 5 major vendors that make up almost 90%+ of the router and= switch market share Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia, Huawei, the idea is tha= t all other vendors will follow suit and adopt this BCP and implement and s= upport this solution to help with IPv4 address depletion issues faced by th= eir customers.=C2=A0 We not trying to be not inclusive of all vendors, as i= t=E2=80=99s impossible to test every vendor.=C2=A0 With this =C2=A0draft be= ing a BCP, as strategy, we would now once this draft is published as a best= practice be able create an industry shift momentum that now all operators = all around the world including Verizon as well as other tier 1 carriers as = well as Tier 2 and 3 and all ISPs can use this solution immediately and sta= rt deployment once this draft becomes an RFC.=C2=A0 This will also help wit= h the underlying goal of worldwide IPv6 proliferation.

2. do not think that th= e term =E2=80=9Clegacy=E2=80=9D is appropriate for IPv4 and IPv4 based serv= ices.

Gyan> Und= erstood. I can remove the word legacy=C2=A0

3. RFC5565 specifies the dual-stack PEs and= IPv6-only P routers for delivering IPv4-based BGP services between the PEs= via various mechanisms. This proposal brings that notion to the PE-CE link. The CE is dual-stack and the PE is I= Pv6-only. However, it is not describing how the forwarding plane works betw= een PE and CE =E2=80=93 an explanation or reference is required and without= that clarity I am unable to understand how to actually deploy this.

Gyan> The next update will have a section that talks about IPv= 4 forwarding plane processing without an IPv4 address.=C2=A0 Both the PE an= d CE will not have an IPv4 address, but will be able to process and forward= IPv4 packets.=C2=A0 The concept is very similar to the cisco =E2=80=9CIPv6= enable=E2=80=9D command where you don=E2=80=99t need an IPv6 address confi= gured on the interface for IPv6 processing and forwarding.=C2=A0 Juniper an= d Nokia have tested and confirmed they have a CLI command for IPv4 forwardi= ng without an IPv6 address.=C2=A0 We are investigating a similar IPv4 forwa= rding option with the other vendors including Cisco.=C2=A0 This is part of = implementation space and each vendor will have their own existing knob if o= ne exist or create a new knob for IPv4 forwarding without an IPv4 address.= =C2=A0 The PE-CE IPv4 forwarding without an IPv4 address configured with al= l the functionality and line rate processing capabilities will all be major= part of the QA interoperability POC and test results.

4. The document touches on IXP deployments, but again does n= ot actually cover how the forwarding works nor provides references for how = this proposal works for that deployment.

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gyan> Answered above=C2=A0

5. Is section 4 really required? W= ouldn=E2=80=99t a simple reference to RFC8950 suffice? The BGP signalling p= art for IPv4 over a single IPv6 peering and over IPv6 NH is already specified and covered in various Standards Track document (e= sp RFC8950) =E2=80=93 so using their references rather than repeating them = would be better.

=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Gyan> As the draft pertains to PE-CE edge IPv6 only peering t= he use cases involved end to end forwarding over all permutations of DC or = Core scenarios including both IPv4-Only and IPv6-Only core so I will be add= ing a section that talks specifically about the PE-CE IPv6 only peering in = relation to RFC 5565 v4 edge over a v6 core and v6 edge over a v4 core.=C2= =A0 So as the core peering is all in scope as part of the interoperability = testing we will keep the RFC 8950 section in the draft as it would be relev= ant in the POC.=C2=A0 I will update that section as to how the RFC 8950 upd= ate to RFC 5549 is now relevant to the interoperability testing.

6. If/when this gets published as an RFC, is the g= oal of this document to describe interop test results between specific vend= ors, OR is it do document the design, its operational considerations, and how it can be realized? E.g. R= FC7938 =E2=80=93 does something of that sorts. I do not think that IETF RFC= s are good for documenting interop and it is better done via other =E2=80= =9Clive=E2=80=9D documents since these aspects change over course of time. It might even give an exclusionary impression for vendors = not included in this document or those who might add this capability down t= he line. I=E2=80=99ve generally seen implementation status sections being t= aken out of Standards Track documents before publishing as RFC.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gyan> Answered in #1. =C2=A0 Thi= s draft document the design solution to a problem and as a BCP will allow o= perators to have the comfort level to start deployments immediately once pu= blished. =C2=A0 The test results currently in the Appendix will all be move= d to Section 3.

7. I would request the authors to explicitly clarify the Objective/Purp= ose of this draft in more precise and crisp manner in a section of its own = so the WG knows what it is taking up. It might also help repeating the same throu= ghout the document.

Gy= an> Understood. I will clarify in the next update. =C2=A0

8. Finally, there is some= language as follows in Sec 3 which perhaps needs to be revisiting?<= /p>

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The test results published from thi= s document provide concrete

=C2=A0=C2=A0 evidence that this is now the Best = Practice for Edge peering.=C2=A0 The<= /p>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 document will be the de-facto stand= ard for operators to now use a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 single PE-CE Edge IPv6 peer to carr= y both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI.=

= =C2=A0Gyan> =C2=A0I will clean up the language.

Would also request th= e WG and chairs to share their views on some of the above points =E2=80=93 = (1), (2), (6) and (7). Clarity on these points is, IMHO, important and nece= ssary before the WG considers adoption of this document.

= =C2=A0Gyan> I have complied all the feedback from the adoption call thus= far including your comments, and will be submitting the updated draft this= weekend.

Thanks,=

Ketan

=C2=A0<= /span>

Fro= m: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org<= /a>> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: 13 April 2021 15:07
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh@ietf.org; b= ess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mi= shra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].<= u>

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on A= pril 27th 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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RFC 9026 Title: Multicast VPN Fast Upstream Failover Author: T. Morin, Ed., R. Kebler, Ed., G. Mirsky, Ed. Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: April 2021 Mailbox: thomas.morin@orange.com, rkebler@juniper.net, gregimirsky@gmail.com Pages: 22 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-fast-failover-15.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9026 DOI: 10.17487/RFC9026 This document defines Multicast Virtual Private Network (VPN) extensions and procedures that allow fast failover for upstream failures by allowing downstream Provider Edges (PEs) to consider the status of Provider-Tunnels (P-tunnels) when selecting the Upstream PE for a VPN multicast flow. The fast failover is enabled by using "Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Multipoint Networks" (RFC 8562) and the new BGP Attribute, BFD Discriminator. 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There is an IPR which is being disclosed.=20 =20 Cheers, Ali =20 From: BESS > on = behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com " = > Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 12:13 AM To: "bess@ietf.org " > Subject: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for = draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto =20 Hello, =20 This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for = draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1]. =20 Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group = list. =20 We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to = this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). =20 If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please = respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any = relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document = will not progress without answers from all of the authors and = contributors. =20 Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. =20 If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please = explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet = been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. =20 This poll for adoption closes on April 12th 2021. =20 Regards, Matthew and Stephane =20 =20 [1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto/ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_1058_01D734FC.0F31E4D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

We=E2=80=99ve received all the IPR poll replies and got = support and no objection to adopt this document.

 

Authors,

 

Please republish the document as = -ietf-.

 

Brgds,

 

Stephane

 

From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) = <sajassi@cisco.com>
Sent: mercredi 14 avril 2021 = 04:08
To: slitkows.ietf@gmail.com; = bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for = draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto

 

 

Support as a co-author. There is an = IPR which is being disclosed.

 

Cheers,

Ali

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "slitkows.ietf@gmail.com"= <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>Date: Monday, March 29, 2021 at 12:13 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: = [bess] WG adoption and IPR poll for = draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto

 

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks = WG adoption poll for draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-proto [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments to = the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any = undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has = been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, = 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of = this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not = you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing = list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of = the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against = this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a = contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any = IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF = rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes = on April 12th 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brissette-bess-evpn-l2gw-pr= oto/

 

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Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group list. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/ ------=_NextPart_000_11FB_01D73557.64DA1640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks = WG adoption poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments to = the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any = undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has = been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, = 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of = this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not = you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing = list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of = the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against = this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a = contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any = IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF = rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes = on 4th May 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1]  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/=

 

------=_NextPart_000_11FB_01D73557.64DA1640-- From nobody Mon Apr 19 11:22:22 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3CF3A3D8F; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:22:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161885653642.13005.13547871777731199794@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:22:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-06.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:22:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : MVPN/EVPN Tunnel Aggregation with Common Labels Authors : Zhaohui Zhang Eric Rosen Wen Lin Zhenbin Li IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-06.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2021-04-19 Abstract: The MVPN specifications allow a single Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) tunnel to carry traffic of multiple VPNs. The EVPN specifications allow a single P2MP tunnel to carry traffic of multiple Broadcast Domains (BDs). These features require the ingress router of the P2MP tunnel to allocate an upstream-assigned MPLS label for each VPN or for each BD. A packet sent on a P2MP tunnel then carries the label that is mapped to its VPN or BD. (In some cases, a distinct upstream-assigned is needed for each flow.) Since each ingress router allocates labels independently, with no coordination among the ingress routers, the egress routers may need to keep track of a large number of labels. The number of labels may need to be as large (or larger) than the product of the number of ingress routers times the number of VPNs or BDs. However, the number of labels can be greatly reduced if the association between a label and a VPN or BD is made by provisioning, so that all ingress routers assign the same label to a particular VPN or BD. New procedures are needed in order to take advantage of such provisioned labels. These new procedures also apply to Multipoint-to-Multipoint (MP2MP) tunnels. This document updates RFCs 6514, 7432 and 7582 by specifying the necessary procedures. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephane Litkowski via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com Message-ID: <161885760327.25471.6615674310936016119@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:40:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-06 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:40:03 -0000 Stephane Litkowski has requested publication of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-06 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the BESS working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label/ From nobody Mon Apr 19 12:34:53 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245093A406A; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161886089209.7522.233803058567592486@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 12:34:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-08.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:34:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : IGMP and MLD Proxy for EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi Samir Thoria Mankamana Mishra Keyur PAtel John Drake Wen Lin Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-08.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2021-04-19 Abstract: Ethernet Virtual Private Network (EVPN) solution is becoming pervasive in data center (DC) applications for Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) and DC interconnect (DCI) services, and in service provider (SP) applications for next generation virtual private LAN services. This draft describes how to support efficiently endpoints running IGMP for the above services over an EVPN network by incorporating IGMP proxy procedures on EVPN PEs. 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Hello,

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This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption = poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1].

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Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS work= ing group list.=

 

We are also = polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, t= o ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this docume= nt, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware o= f any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document w= ill not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contribut= ors.

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= --Apple-Mail-516ED189-A984-4797-96FE-D7C7BB3E202E-- From nobody Mon Apr 19 13:18:19 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551813A4258; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:18:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161886349532.30991.15355396721552951356@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:18:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-09.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:18:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : IGMP and MLD Proxy for EVPN Authors : Ali Sajassi Samir Thoria Mankamana Mishra Keyur PAtel John Drake Wen Lin Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy-09.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2021-04-19 Abstract: Ethernet Virtual Private Network (EVPN) solution is becoming pervasive in data center (DC) applications for Network Virtualization Overlay (NVO) and DC interconnect (DCI) services, and in service provider (SP) applications for next generation virtual private LAN services. This draft describes how to support efficiently endpoints running IGMP for the above services over an EVPN network by incorporating IGMP proxy procedures on EVPN PEs. 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We are awaiting an update on the IPR disclosure for this IETF draft. There = is a pending request with the legal department (11/2020). Thanks -Lukas On Apr 19, 2021, at 11:05 AM, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com wrote: Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-mod= es-interop-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. 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On Apr 19, 2021, at 11:05 AM, slitkows.ietf@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,<= /span>

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG=  adoption poll = for draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1].

 <= /span>

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

 

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021.=

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

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X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY3PR08MB7060 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] WG and IPR poll adoption poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:23:29 -0000 --_000_BY3PR08MB70609EF9C4A1B999CB828811F7489BY3PR08MB7060namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As co-author, I support this document for WG adoption. Not aware of any related IPR, except for the one already stated by other co= -authors. Thanks. Jorge From: BESS on behalf of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:06 PM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG and IPR poll adoption poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-mode= s-interop Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-mod= es-interop-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/ --_000_BY3PR08MB70609EF9C4A1B999CB828811F7489BY3PR08MB7060namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As co-author, I support this document for WG adoption.<= /p>

Not aware of any related IPR, except for the one already stated by other = co-authors.

 

Thanks.

Jorge

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com &l= t;slitkows.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:06 PM
To: bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org <bess-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG and IPR poll adoption poll for draft-krattiger-ev= pn-modes-interop

Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This = ;poll for ado= ption closes on 4th May 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1]  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/<= /a>

 

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Thanks Gyan On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 2:23 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) < jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote: > As co-author, I support this document for WG adoption. > > Not aware of any related IPR, except for the one already stated by other > co-authors. > > > > Thanks. > > Jorge > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com > > *Date: *Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:06 PM > *To: *bess@ietf.org > *Cc: *bess-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject: *[bess] WG and IPR poll adoption poll for > draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/ > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --00000000000055971405c064409b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support WG Adoption.

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On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 2:23 AM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia = - US/Mountain View) <jorge.ra= badan@nokia.com> wrote:

As co-author, I support this document for WG adoption.

Not aware of any related IPR, except for the one already stated by other = co-authors.

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Thanks.

Jorge

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From: BESS <bess-b= ounces@ietf.org> on behalf of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> Date: Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:06 PM
To: bess@ietf.org= <bess@ietf.org>
Cc: bess-c= hairs@ietf.org <bess-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [bess] WG and IPR poll adoption poll for draft-krattiger-ev= pn-modes-interop

Hello,

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This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll=C2= =A0for= =C2=A0draft-kratti= ger-evpn-modes-interop-03=C2=A0[1].

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Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

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We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

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If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.=

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Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

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If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.=

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This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on 4th May 2021.

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Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

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We will have included in detail the list of test cases in the interoperability testing that must be passed. Thanks Gyan On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 7:57 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > I also believe that a table of conforming implementations is not > > appropriate in an RFC, as it is forever changing as software is upgraded. > > What is however appropriate is a list of test cases that must be passed > > in order to claim interoperability. Claiming that a session comes up is > not good enough. > > An example of what I mean is at > > > https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/c030932_ISO_IEC= _10589_2002(E).zip > > Annex A, A.5 to A.7 > > > > Regards, > > Jakob. > > > > *From:* BESS *On Behalf Of * Ketan Talaulikar > (ketant) > *Sent:* Saturday, April 17, 2021 12:51 AM > *To:* Gyan Mishra > *Cc:* Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) ; > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bess@ietf.or= g > *Subject:* Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hi Gyan, > > > > Thanks for your quick and detailed response. Please check inline below. > > > > *From:* Gyan Mishra > *Sent:* 17 April 2021 12:10 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) ; bess@ietf.or= g; > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hi Ketan > > > > Thanks you for your feedback on the draft. > > > > Most of your comments have been mentioned on the ML are being addressed i= n > the next draft update. > > > > Responses in-line > > > > Many Thanks!! > > > > Gyan > > > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:21 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hello Authors, > > > > A few comments/observations on this draft: > > > > > > 1. The BCP categorization does not seem right for this document and > perhaps informational is better. Is this really something that has alread= y > seen widespread deployment such that the IETF community can say that it i= s > the best =E2=80=9Ccurrent=E2=80=9D practice? > > > > Gyan> This draft addresses a real issue that has been discussed at > NANOG and other operator groups around the world related to IXP major > peering points where 1000s have IPv4 & IPv6 dual stacked peering exist an= d > IPv4 address depletion have been a major issue issue for many years now. > > > > Operators around the world are clamoring for a solution that can help wit= h > worldwide address IPv4 depletion issues at the IXP peering points. With > this solution IXPs as well as all infrastructure Core, DC PE-CE public or > private can now utilize this solution and reap the benefits immediately o= n > address space saving. This can be used for IPv4 core or IPv6 core and I > will clarify in the draft. All infrastructure peering with this draft > along with RFC 5565 now becomes officially IPv6-Only. > > *[KT] I am not questioning the need for a design to address this problem > space. It is real and relevant =E2=80=93 something that the WG should tak= e up. So > thanks to the authors for bringing this up. Just emphasising it, in case > anyone got a different impression from my initial response. * > > > > With this draft as it stands today as a BCP, the POC QA testing from the = 5 > major vendors that make up almost 90%+ of the router and switch market > share Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia, Huawei, the idea is that all other > vendors will follow suit and adopt this BCP and implement and support thi= s > solution to help with IPv4 address depletion issues faced by their > customers. We not trying to be not inclusive of all vendors, as it=E2=80= =99s > impossible to test every vendor. With this draft being a BCP, as > strategy, we would now once this draft is published as a best practice be > able create an industry shift momentum that now all operators all around > the world including Verizon as well as other tier 1 carriers as well as > Tier 2 and 3 and all ISPs can use this solution immediately and start > deployment once this draft becomes an RFC. This will also help with the > underlying goal of worldwide IPv6 proliferation. > > *[KT] This is my concern exactly and I think we perhaps differ on the > definition of BCP. As also, differ on the use of IETF stream RFC as the > means for publication of interop test results. I will suggest to the > authors as well as the WG to consider using such a document for capturing > the design as informational. More specifically, I will recommend somewhat > on similar lines as RFC7938 or even draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls (even > though the later didn=E2=80=99t get to RFC). That, IMHO, would be valuabl= e for > everyone in the community (including vendors and operators).* > > 2. do not think that the term =E2=80=9Clegacy=E2=80=9D is appropriate for= IPv4 and IPv4 > based services. > > Gyan> Understood. I can remove the word legacy > > > > 3. RFC5565 specifies the dual-stack PEs and IPv6-only P routers for > delivering IPv4-based BGP services between the PEs via various mechanisms= . > This proposal brings that notion to the PE-CE link. The CE is dual-stack > and the PE is IPv6-only. However, it is not describing how the forwarding > plane works between PE and CE =E2=80=93 an explanation or reference is re= quired and > without that clarity I am unable to understand how to actually deploy thi= s. > > Gyan> The next update will have a section that talks about IPv4 forwardin= g > plane processing without an IPv4 address. Both the PE and CE will not ha= ve > an IPv4 address, but will be able to process and forward IPv4 packets. T= he > concept is very similar to the cisco =E2=80=9CIPv6 enable=E2=80=9D comman= d where you don=E2=80=99t > need an IPv6 address configured on the interface for IPv6 processing and > forwarding. Juniper and Nokia have tested and confirmed they have a CLI > command for IPv4 forwarding without an IPv6 address. We are investigatin= g > a similar IPv4 forwarding option with the other vendors including Cisco. > This is part of implementation space and each vendor will have their own > existing knob if one exist or create a new knob for IPv4 forwarding witho= ut > an IPv4 address. The PE-CE IPv4 forwarding without an IPv4 address > configured with all the functionality and line rate processing capabiliti= es > will all be major part of the QA interoperability POC and test results. > > *[KT] This is the heart of the matter and the most critical part for the > design that we are talking about here. I am afraid some of these mechanis= ms > are not standardized. Even on this adoption call, I thought I saw some > assumptions (maybe I read that wrong?) being made about the use of MPLS a= s > the data-plane. The draft in the current state is missing this most > important part.* > > 4. The document touches on IXP deployments, but again does not actually > cover how the forwarding works nor provides references for how this > proposal works for that deployment. > > Gyan> Answered above > > 5. Is section 4 really required? Wouldn=E2=80=99t a simple reference to R= FC8950 > suffice? The BGP signalling part for IPv4 over a single IPv6 peering and > over IPv6 NH is already specified and covered in various Standards Track > document (esp RFC8950) =E2=80=93 so using their references rather than re= peating > them would be better. > > Gyan> As the draft pertains to PE-CE edge IPv6 only peering the use > cases involved end to end forwarding over all permutations of DC or Core > scenarios including both IPv4-Only and IPv6-Only core so I will be adding= a > section that talks specifically about the PE-CE IPv6 only peering in > relation to RFC 5565 v4 edge over a v6 core and v6 edge over a v4 core. = So > as the core peering is all in scope as part of the interoperability testi= ng > we will keep the RFC 8950 section in the draft as it would be relevant in > the POC. I will update that section as to how the RFC 8950 update to RFC > 5549 is now relevant to the interoperability testing. > > *[KT] That was really an editorial comment. Will look forward to those > details that you mention for both PE-CE and IXP designs.* > > 6. If/when this gets published as an RFC, is the goal of this document to > describe interop test results between specific vendors, OR is it do > document the design, its operational considerations, and how it can be > realized? E.g. RFC7938 =E2=80=93 does something of that sorts. I do not t= hink that > IETF RFCs are good for documenting interop and it is better done via othe= r > =E2=80=9Clive=E2=80=9D documents since these aspects change over course o= f time. It might > even give an exclusionary impression for vendors not included in this > document or those who might add this capability down the line. I=E2=80=99= ve > generally seen implementation status sections being taken out of Standard= s > Track documents before publishing as RFC. > > > > Gyan> Answered in #1. This draft document the design solution to a > problem and as a BCP will allow operators to have the comfort level to > start deployments immediately once published. The test results currentl= y > in the Appendix will all be moved to Section 3. > > *[KT] So you are proposing to publish interop testing reports in an RFC > that is going to be a BCP? Again, I don=E2=80=99t believe this is the rig= ht > approach and will let the chairs and others in the WG advise.* > > > > 7. I would request the authors to explicitly clarify the Objective/Purpos= e > of this draft in more precise and crisp manner in a section of its own so > the WG knows what it is taking up. It might also help repeating the same > throughout the document. > > Gyan> Understood. I will clarify in the next update. > > > > 8. Finally, there is some language as follows in Sec 3 which perhaps need= s > to be revisiting? > > > > The test results published from this document provide concrete > > evidence that this is now the Best Practice for Edge peering. The > > document will be the de-facto standard for operators to now use a > > single PE-CE Edge IPv6 peer to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. > > Gyan> I will clean up the language. > > Would also request the WG and chairs to share their views on some of the > above points =E2=80=93 (1), (2), (6) and (7). Clarity on these points is,= IMHO, > important and necessary before the WG considers adoption of this document= . > > Gyan> I have complied all the feedback from the adoption call thus far > including your comments, and will be submitting the updated draft this > weekend. > > *[KT] Will look forward to that update since I am hoping that it will > clarify the goal/purpose of the document better (at least for me). We agr= ee > on the need to address the problem statement =E2=80=93 my concerns are on= how to go > about it and if this document (in the current/updated form) provides the > right platform for it.* > > *Thanks* > > *Ketan * > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* BESS *On Behalf Of *Bocci, Matthew (Nokia > - GB) > *Sent:* 13 April 2021 15:07 > *To:* draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; > bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document wil= l > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4n= lri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > -- > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --0000000000001d58ed05c0645229 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jakob

=
Thank you for reviewing the draft.

We will have included in detail the list of te= st cases in the interoperability testing that must be passed.

Thanks=C2=A0
<= br>

Gyan
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 7:57 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> wrote:

I= also believe that a table of conforming implementations is not

a= ppropriate in an RFC, as it is forever changing as software is upgraded.=

W= hat is however appropriate is a list of test cases that must be passed

i= n order to claim interoperability. Claiming that a session comes up is not = good enough.

A= n example of what I mean is at

<= a href=3D"https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/c030932= _ISO_IEC_10589_2002(E).zip" target=3D"_blank">https://standards.iso.org/itt= f/PubliclyAvailableStandards/c030932_ISO_IEC_10589_2002(E).zip

A= nnex A, A.5 to A.7

<= u>=C2=A0

R= egards,

J= akob.

<= u>=C2=A0

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of = Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 12:51 AM
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>; draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; <= a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

Hi Gyan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your quick and detai= led response. Please check inline below.

=C2=A0

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: 17 April 2021 12:10
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org; draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-d= eployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

Hi Ketan=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks you for your=C2=A0feedba= ck on the draft.

=C2=A0

Most of your comments have been= mentioned on the ML are being addressed in the next draft update.

=C2=A0

Responses in-line=

=C2=A0

Many Thanks!!

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:21 A= M Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:<= /u>

Hello Authors,

=C2=A0

A few comments/observations on = this draft:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

1. The BCP categorization does = not seem right for this document and perhaps informational is better. Is th= is really something that has already seen widespread deployment such that the IETF community can say that it is the best =E2=80= =9Ccurrent=E2=80=9D practice?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Gyan> This draf= t addresses a real issue that has been discussed at NANOG and other operato= r groups around the world related to IXP major peering points where 1000s h= ave IPv4 & IPv6 dual stacked peering exist and IPv4 address depletion have been a major issue issue for many years now. =C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Operators around the world are = clamoring for a solution that can help with worldwide address IPv4 depletio= n issues at the IXP peering points.=C2=A0 With this solution IXPs as well a= s all infrastructure Core, DC PE-CE public or private can now utilize this solution and reap the benefits immediately= on address space saving.=C2=A0 This can be used for IPv4 core or IPv6 core= and I will clarify in the draft.=C2=A0 All infrastructure peering with thi= s draft along with RFC 5565 now becomes officially IPv6-Only.

[KT] I am not questioning= the need for a design to address this problem space. It is real and releva= nt =E2=80=93 something that the WG should take up. So thanks to the authors= for bringing this up. Just emphasising it, in case anyone got a different impression from my initial response.

=C2=A0

With this draft as it stands to= day as a BCP, the POC QA testing from the 5 major vendors that make up almo= st 90%+ of the router and switch market share Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia= , Huawei, the idea is that all other vendors will follow suit and adopt this BCP and implement and support this= solution to help with IPv4 address depletion issues faced by their custome= rs.=C2=A0 We not trying to be not inclusive of all vendors, as it=E2=80=99s= impossible to test every vendor.=C2=A0 With this =C2=A0draft being a BCP, as strategy, we would now once this draft is publ= ished as a best practice be able create an industry shift momentum that now= all operators all around the world including Verizon as well as other tier= 1 carriers as well as Tier 2 and 3 and all ISPs can use this solution immediately and start deployment once this = draft becomes an RFC.=C2=A0 This will also help with the underlying goal of= worldwide IPv6 proliferation.

[KT] This is my concern e= xactly and I think we perhaps differ on the definition of BCP. As also, dif= fer on the use of IETF stream RFC as the means for publication of interop t= est results. I will suggest to the authors as well as the WG to consider using such a document for capturing the desi= gn as informational. More specifically, I will recommend somewhat on simila= r lines as RFC7938 or even draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls (even though the l= ater didn=E2=80=99t get to RFC). That, IMHO, would be valuable for everyone in the community (including vendors and ope= rators).

2. do not think that the term = =E2=80=9Clegacy=E2=80=9D is appropriate for IPv4 and IPv4 based services.

Gyan> Understood. I can remo= ve the word legacy=C2=A0

=C2=A0

3. RFC5565 specifies the dual-s= tack PEs and IPv6-only P routers for delivering IPv4-based BGP services bet= ween the PEs via various mechanisms. This proposal brings that notion to the PE-CE link. The CE is dual-stack and the PE is IPv6-onl= y. However, it is not describing how the forwarding plane works between PE = and CE =E2=80=93 an explanation or reference is required and without that c= larity I am unable to understand how to actually deploy this.

Gyan> The next update will h= ave a section that talks about IPv4 forwarding plane processing without an = IPv4 address.=C2=A0 Both the PE and CE will not have an IPv4 address, but w= ill be able to process and forward IPv4 packets.=C2=A0 The concept is very similar to the cisco =E2=80=9CIPv6 enable=E2=80=9D com= mand where you don=E2=80=99t need an IPv6 address configured on the interfa= ce for IPv6 processing and forwarding.=C2=A0 Juniper and Nokia have tested = and confirmed they have a CLI command for IPv4 forwarding without an IPv6 address.=C2=A0 We are investigating a similar IPv4 forwarding opti= on with the other vendors including Cisco.=C2=A0 This is part of implementa= tion space and each vendor will have their own existing knob if one exist o= r create a new knob for IPv4 forwarding without an IPv4 address.=C2=A0 The PE-CE IPv4 forwarding without an IPv4 address c= onfigured with all the functionality and line rate processing capabilities = will all be major part of the QA interoperability POC and test results.<= /u>

[KT] This is the heart of= the matter and the most critical part for the design that we are talking a= bout here. I am afraid some of these mechanisms are not standardized. Even = on this adoption call, I thought I saw some assumptions (maybe I read that wrong?) being made about the use of MP= LS as the data-plane. The draft in the current state is missing this most i= mportant part.

4. The document touches on IXP = deployments, but again does not actually cover how the forwarding works nor= provides references for how this proposal works for that deployment.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Gyan> Answered = above=C2=A0

5. Is section 4 really required= ? Wouldn=E2=80=99t a simple reference to RFC8950 suffice? The BGP signallin= g part for IPv4 over a single IPv6 peering and over IPv6 NH is already specified and covered in various Standards Track document (esp = RFC8950) =E2=80=93 so using their references rather than repeating them wou= ld be better.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gyan> As the d= raft pertains to PE-CE edge IPv6 only peering the use cases involved end to= end forwarding over all permutations of DC or Core scenarios including bot= h IPv4-Only and IPv6-Only core so I will be adding a section that talks specifically about the PE-CE IPv6 only peering in rel= ation to RFC 5565 v4 edge over a v6 core and v6 edge over a v4 core.=C2=A0 = So as the core peering is all in scope as part of the interoperability test= ing we will keep the RFC 8950 section in the draft as it would be relevant in the POC.=C2=A0 I will update that = section as to how the RFC 8950 update to RFC 5549 is now relevant to the in= teroperability testing.

[KT] That was really an e= ditorial comment. Will look forward to those details that you mention for b= oth PE-CE and IXP designs.

6. If/when this gets published = as an RFC, is the goal of this document to describe interop test results be= tween specific vendors, OR is it do document the design, its operational considerations, and how it can be realized? E.g. RFC7938 = =E2=80=93 does something of that sorts. I do not think that IETF RFCs are g= ood for documenting interop and it is better done via other =E2=80=9Clive= =E2=80=9D documents since these aspects change over course of time. It might even give an exclusionary impression for vendors not inc= luded in this document or those who might add this capability down the line= . I=E2=80=99ve generally seen implementation status sections being taken ou= t of Standards Track documents before publishing as RFC.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gyan> Answered= in #1. =C2=A0 This draft document the design solution to a problem and as = a BCP will allow operators to have the comfort level to start deployments i= mmediately once published. =C2=A0 The test results currently in the Appendix will all be moved to Section 3.

[KT] So you are proposing= to publish interop testing reports in an RFC that is going to be a BCP? Ag= ain, I don=E2=80=99t believe this is the right approach and will let the ch= airs and others in the WG advise.

=C2=A0

7. I would request the authors = to explicitly clarify the Objective/Purpose of this draft in more precise a= nd crisp manner in a section of its own so the WG knows what it is taking up. It might also help repeating the same throughout the= document.

Gyan> Understood. I will cla= rify in the next update. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

8. Finally, there is some langu= age as follows in Sec 3 which perhaps needs to be revisiting?=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The test results pub= lished from this document provide concrete

=C2=A0=C2=A0 evidence that this i= s now the Best Practice for Edge peering.=C2=A0 The

=C2=A0=C2=A0 document will be the= de-facto standard for operators to now use a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 single PE-CE Edge IP= v6 peer to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI.

=C2=A0Gyan> =C2=A0I will cle= an up the language.

Would also request the WG and c= hairs to share their views on some of the above points =E2=80=93 (1), (2), = (6) and (7). Clarity on these points is, IMHO, important and necessary before the WG considers adoption of this document.=

=C2=A0Gyan> I have complied = all the feedback from the adoption call thus far including your comments, a= nd will be submitting the updated draft this weekend.<= /p>

[KT] Will look forward to= that update since I am hoping that it will clarify the goal/purpose of the= document better (at least for me). We agree on the need to address the problem statement =E2=80=93 my concerns are on how to = go about it and if this document (in the current/updated form) provides the= right platform for it.

Thanks

Ketan

Thanks,

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: 13 April 2021 15:07
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03= =C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0= adoption=C2=A0closes on April 27th 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,<= /u>

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bes= s-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/<= u>

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The document will > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/ > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --00000000000045aa7c05c07197c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Support adoption. In= deed, much needed!!

Thanks,
Neeraj
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= On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:06 AM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

=C2=A0=

This= email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and pos= t any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any undis= closed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been discl= osed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 = for more details).=

=C2=A0

If you= are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please respond = to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant und= isclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0pr= ogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disclos= ures against this document.

=C2=A0=

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explici= tly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclose= d in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0<= u>

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on 4th May = 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0 https://= datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/<= /u>

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As networks migrate to IPv6, there needs a way to support IPv4 VPN s= ervices over IPv6. Therefore, this draft is useful. Regards, Xipeng Xiao, Ph.D. +49 162 2047 661 xipengxiao@huawei.com Dusseldorf, Germany --_000_a2214cc606d44415958cf7363c6b4906huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,<= /span>

 

I support the adopt= ion of draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03.  As netw= orks migrate to IPv6, there needs a way to support IPv4 VPN services over I= Pv6.  Therefore, this draft is useful.

 

Regards,

 

Xipeng Xiao, Ph.D.

+49 162 2047 661

xipengxiao@huawei.com

Dusseldorf, Germany

 

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X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 11:15:51 -0000 --00000000000079365c05c0a1eac7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I support the adoption. However, have a few comments: The intended status of the draft is Informational, but it doesn't look right. The abstract says: This document specifies how the different EVPN functional modes and types can interoperate with each other. This document doesn't aim to redefine the existing functional modes *but extend them for interoperability*. In addition, the draft has multiple normative statements. Hence, believe the intended status should be standards track instead.. Section 4.2 says: With PE2 operating in Symmetric IRB and with enabled interop mode, the MAC/IP route from PE1 (Asymmetric IRB) is processed in the respective bridging, routing and adjacency table. Based on the Route- Target for MAC-VRF1, the MAC address M1 will be imported into MAC- VRF1 respectively and placed within BD0. * In addition, the host- binding information M1/IP1 MUST be installed within PE2s adjacency table.* For a PE operating in symmetric IRB mode, it is not required to install M1/P1 in the ARP/ND/adjacency table as per draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding. Hence, I think this draft is updating/extending draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding. The draft has the foll. description for Figure 2: The IRB interfaces for a common MAC-VRF/BD on PE1 and PE2 use the *same IP address*. With the difference of the IRB modes between PE1 (Asymmetric IRB) and PE2 (Symmetric IRB), there is a difference in the MPLS Label presence as part of the MAC/IP routes exchanged between the PEs. I guess it should say "same IP address and MAC address". Otherwise, it is not necessary to install M1/P1 in PE2's adj table. If PE2 receives a packet destined to P1, PE2 will initiate a glean procedure causing the host having (M1, P1) to respond. The response will reach PE2, so PE2 will install in its adjacency. The problem occurs only when both PE1 and PE2 use the same anycast default gateway IP and MAC addresses (which is also the recommended option as per draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding), in which case the response from the host will be locally consumed by PE1. Regards, Muthu On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:36 PM wrote: > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/ > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --00000000000079365c05c0a1eac7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does this draft update RFC 7432 = or RFC 8365 in any way and if it does then it should be Standards Track.

Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021= at 7:15 AM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote:
I support the adoption. Howev= er, have a few comments:

The intended status of the=C2=A0draft is Informational, but it doesn'= ;t look right.=C2=A0

T= he abstract says:
=C2=A0 This document specifies ho= w the different EVPN
=C2=A0 =C2=A0functional mo= des and types can interoperate with each other. This
=C2=A0 =C2=A0docume= nt doesn't aim to redefine the existing functional modes but
=C2=A0 =C2=A0extend them for i= nteroperability.

In addition, the draft has multiple normative statements. Hence, b= elieve=C2=A0the intended status should be standards track instead..

Section 4.2 says:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0With PE2 operating in Symmetric IRB and with enab= led interop mode,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the MAC/IP route from PE1 (Asymmetric IRB= ) is processed in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0respective bridging, routing and adja= cency table. Based on the Route-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Target for MAC-VRF1, the M= AC address M1 will be imported into MAC-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0VRF1 respectively = and placed within BD0. = In addition, the host-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0binding information M1/IP1 MUST be i= nstalled within PE2s adjacency
=C2=A0 =C2=A0table.

For a PE operating in symmetric IRB= mode, it is not required=C2=A0to install M1/P1 in the ARP/ND/adjacency tab= le as per=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding. Hence, I think= this draft is updating/extending=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-fo= rwarding.

The draft ha= s the foll. description for Figure 2:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= The IRB interfaces for a common MAC-VRF/BD on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0PE1 and PE2 u= se the same IP address<= /b>. With the difference of the IRB
=C2=A0 =C2=A0modes between PE1 (Asym= metric IRB) and PE2 (Symmetric IRB), there is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a difference = in the MPLS Label presence as part of the MAC/IP routes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0exc= hanged between the PEs.

I guess it should say "same IP address and MAC address". Ot= herwise, it is not necessary to install M1/P1 in PE2's adj table. If PE= 2 receives a packet destined to P1, PE2 will initiate a glean procedure cau= sing the host having (M1, P1) to respond. The response will reach PE2, so P= E2 will install in its adjacency. The problem occurs only when both PE1 and= PE2 use the same anycast default gateway IP and MAC addresses (which is al= so the recommended option as per draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwardi= ng), in which case the response from the host will be locally consumed by P= E1.

Regards,
=
Muthu
On = Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:36 PM <slitkows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that = applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in complian= ce with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details= ).

=C2=A0=

If you are listed as a= n author or a contributor of this document, please respond to this email an= d indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, co= pying the BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without a= nswers from all of the authors and contributors.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against thi= s document.=

=C2= =A0<= /p>

If you are n= ot listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly respond onl= y if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformanc= e with IETF rules.=

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on 4<= sup>th May 2021.=

=C2=A0

Re= gards,

Matthew a= nd Stephane=

=C2= =A0<= /p>

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-= evpn-modes-interop/

=C2=A0

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--00000000000088103705c0a3715e-- From nobody Fri Apr 23 08:19:53 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11033A120E; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:19:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Qin Wu via Datatracker To: Cc: bess@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161919119180.3526.12355577534106548542@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Qin Wu Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:19:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-05 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:19:52 -0000 Reviewer: Qin Wu Review result: Ready Reviewer: Qin Wu Review result: Ready with nits I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This document describes how to convey the RP address information into the MVPN Source Active route using an Extended Community so this information can be shared with an existing MSDP infrastructure. It provides an update to RFC6514. Major issues: None Minor issues: I am wondering how MVPN and MSDP SA Interoperation is back compatible with existing source discovery information dissemination methods? Is there any downside to make MVPN SA and MSDP SA work together. Section 1: Suggest to add term for GTM, RPT, C-Multicast Section 3 When we say MVPN Pes that have one or more MSDP session in a VPN, does this statement contradict with “VPN-specific MSDP sessions are not required among the PEs”? 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Is this related to local policy? “accepted MSDP SA message when receiving PE’s RP for the C-G is MSDP peer to which the generated MSDP message is advertised” From nobody Fri Apr 23 08:21:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4445D3A11D6; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161919130621.20987.9344930936975432530@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:21:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-03.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:21:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support, and I'm not aware of any IPR Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: BESS On Behalf Of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 2:06 PM To: bess@ietf.org Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG and IPR poll adoption poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-mode= s-interop [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hello, This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-mod= es-interop-03 [1]. Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will not p= rogress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021. Regards, Matthew and Stephane [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/ --_000_MN2PR05MB6623E4FCF340CA0CAB984738C7459MN2PR05MB6623namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support, and I̵= 7;m not aware of any IPR

 

Yours Irrespectivel= y,

 

John

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From:= BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of slitkows.ietf@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 2:06 PM
To: bess@ietf.org
Cc: bess-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG and IPR poll adoption poll for draft-krattiger-ev= pn-modes-interop

 

<= span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",san= s-serif;color:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

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Hello,

 

This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption&= nbsp;poll for draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1].

 

Please review the draft and post any comments t= o the BESS working group list.

 

We are also polling for knowledge of any u= ndisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been d= isclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5= 378 for more details).

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor= of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing li= st. The document will not  progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors.

 

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against= this document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contrib= utor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that = has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

This = ;poll for ado= ption closes on 4th May 2021.

 

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

 

 

[1]  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop/

 

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References: <8193067d-3b28-40fc-8c96-3f3c528ece6c@Spark> <0B536455-62B0-434A-9FD8-D5DBB51ACA9E@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <0B536455-62B0-434A-9FD8-D5DBB51ACA9E@nokia.com> From: Gyan Mishra Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:21:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" , BESS , Jeff Tantsura , John E Drake , "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006fb25e05c0ab37d1" Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Fwd: VXLAN BGP EVPN Question X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 22:21:32 -0000 --0000000000006fb25e05c0ab37d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC? https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10 This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with multiple vendors. Thanks Gyan ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question To: Gyan Mishra , Jeff Tantsura < jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> CC: BESS Hi Gyan, If I may, note that: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section-4.6 Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on DCI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity. Thanks. Jorge *From: *BESS on behalf of Gyan Mishra < hayabusagsm@gmail.com> *Date: *Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM *To: *Jeff Tantsura *Cc: *BESS *Subject: *Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question Hi Jeff Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter pod or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as DCI option inter DC without MPLS. The segmentation localizes BUM traffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b. There is a extra load as you said on the BGW border gateway performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then again encap towards the egress border gateway. Due to that extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s not recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra la= yer for multi site to be scalable. Definitely requires proprietary asic and not merchant silicon or white box solution. The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or single fabric spine that contains all leafs. That decoupling sounds like incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which would result in more BUM traffic but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flows versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere. I wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control plane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2 Mac learner across the fabric. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sharma-multi-site-evpn/ Kind regards Gyan On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: Gyan, "Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solution implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functionality = is to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here. The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it soon on low end silicon. It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span= of =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood dom= ains (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW) Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementation issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreover in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed decoupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2=80=9D flows. Needless to say= - this creates an additional layer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-). Hope this helps Cheers, Jeff On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra , wrote: Slight clarification with the arp traffic. What I meant was broadcast traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there any way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design requirement with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppression of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such massive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning where only active flows are are in the type 2 rib. Kind regards Gyan On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra wrote: In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisite feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is similar to MPLS inter-as option b not a. Kind regards Gyan On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra wrote: All Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications defined in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348. In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabrics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site feature doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar to inter-as option A. So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VNIs everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain. The topology is a typical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so very small physical L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is possible or if their is a way to do so in the current specification. Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which w= as based on conversation learning. Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only the active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac that= are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric. That would really help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries are generated locally on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unless their are active flows between leafs. Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switches at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other parameters.. That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic. Kind regards Gyan -- Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com -- Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com -- Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess --=20 Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --0000000000006fb25e05c0ab37d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM
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CC: BESS <bess@ietf.org>


Hi Gyan,

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If I may, note that:

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Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on D= CI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity.

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Thanks.

Jorge

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Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: BESS <bess= @ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

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Yes - Cisco has a draft f= or multi site for use cases capability of inter pod or inter site segmented= path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as DCI option inter DC with= out MPLS.=C2=A0 The segmentation localizes BUM traffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is seg= mented stitched between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 vpn opt = b.=C2=A0 There is a extra load as you said on the BGW border gateway perfor= ming the network vtep dencap from leaf and then again encap towards the egress border gateway.=C2=A0 Due to that = extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s not recommended to have spine= function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi site to be scalable.=C2=A0 D= efinitely requires proprietary asic and not merchant silicon or white box solution.=C2=A0 The BUM traffic is much reduced as yo= u stated from multi fabric connected super spine or single fabric spine tha= t contains all leafs.=C2=A0 That decoupling sounds like incongruent control= and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which would result in more BUM traffic =C2=A0but it sounds like that maybe= trade off of conversation learning only active flows versus entire data ce= nter wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere.=C2=A0 I wonder if their is an o= ption to have that real decoupling of EVPN control plane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergenc= e but adds stability and only active flow Type 2 Mac learner across the fab= ric.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0<= /p>

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6= :04 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Gyan,

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"Multi site=E2=80=9D= is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solution implement by NX-OS, = there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functionality is to localize VxLAN= tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.=

The feature is heavily HW= dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at the boundaries (leaf1->= ;BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it soon on low end silicon.

It doesn=E2=80=99t elimin= ate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span of =E2=80=9Cbroadcast do= main=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood domains (modern HW gives= you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW)

=C2=A0

Wrt your question about M= ac conversation learning - this is an implementation issue, nothing in EVPN= specifications precludes you of doing so, moreover in the implementation I= was designing (in my previous life) we indeed decoupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement s= o control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2=80=9D flows.=C2=A0 Needless= to say - this creates =C2=A0an additional layer of complexity and all kind= s of funky states in the system ;-).

=C2=A0

Hope this helps=

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Jeff

On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM = -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, wrote:

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=C2=A0

Slight clarification with= the arp traffic.=C2=A0 What I meant was broadcast traffic translated into = BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there any way to reduce the amoun= t of BUM traffic with a data center design requirement with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility ro= utes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

The elimination of broadc= ast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppression of multicast that d= oes help but it would be nice to not have such massive Mac tables type 2 ro= ute churn chatter with a conversation learning where only active flows are are in the type 2 rib.<= /p>

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6= :47 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

In the description of the= vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisite feature segmented LSP = inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is similar to MPLS inter-as option= b not a. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5= :57 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

All

=C2=A0

Had a question related to= vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications defined in BGP EVPN NVO3 overla= y RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348.

=C2=A0

In a Data Center environm= ent where you have a multiple PODs individual fabrics per POD connected via= a super spine extension using a Multi site feature doing auto rewrite of R= Ts to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar to inter-as option A.

=C2=A0

So in this scenario where= you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VNIs everywhere as if it we= re a a single L2 domain.=C2=A0 The topology is a typical vxlan spine leaf t= opology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so very small physical =C2=A0L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if= with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is possible or if their = is a way to do so in the current specification.

=C2=A0

Cisco use to have a DC pr= oduct called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which was based on conversation = learning.

=C2=A0

Is there any way with exi= sting vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future enhancement to have a Ma= c conversation learning capability so that only the active mac=E2=80=99s th= at are part of a conversations flow are the mac that are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric.=C2=A0 That would really = help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries are generated local= ly on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unless their are activ= e flows between leafs.

=C2=A0

Also is there a way to fi= lter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switches at the control plane = level based on remote vtep or maybe other parameters..=C2=A0 That would als= o reduce arp storms BUM traffic.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0<= /p>

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Unfortunately, it had an inadvertent= normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation attribute and hence has be= en in the RFC Editor queue for over three years. Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: Gyan Mishra Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) ; BESS ; Jeff T= antsura ; John E Drake ; Rabad= an, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question [External Email. Be cautious of content] Authors Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC? https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10 This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with mult= iple vendors. Thanks Gyan ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) > Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question To: Gyan Mishra >, Jeff= Tantsura > CC: BESS > Hi Gyan, If I may, note that: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section-4.6= Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on DCI= , you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity. Thanks. Jorge From: BESS > on behalf = of Gyan Mishra > Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM To: Jeff Tantsura > Cc: BESS > Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question Hi Jeff Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter po= d or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as= DCI option inter DC without MPLS. The segmentation localizes BUM traffic = and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitch= ed between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b. There is = a extra load as you said on the BGW border gateway performing the network v= tep dencap from leaf and then again encap towards the egress border gateway= . Due to that extra load on the border gateway it's not recommended to hav= e spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi site to be scalable. = Definitely requires proprietary asic and not merchant silicon or white box= solution. The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric= connected super spine or single fabric spine that contains all leafs. Tha= t decoupling sounds like incongruent control and data plane with Mac only T= ype 2 routes which would result in more BUM traffic but it sounds like tha= t maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flows versus entire = data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere. I wonder if their is an= option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control plane and vxlan data p= lane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only a= ctive flow Type 2 Mac learner across the fabric. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sharma-multi-site-evpn/ Kind regards Gyan On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura > wrote: Gyan, "Multi site" is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solution implemen= t by NX-OS, there's a draft though. Its main functionality is to localize V= xLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh of VxLAN tunne= ls (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here. The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at = the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it soon on= low end silicon. It doesn't eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span of "bro= adcast domain" and reduces the need for large flood domains (modern HW give= s you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW) Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementati= on issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreove= r in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed dec= oupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plan= e was aware of "Active" flows. Needless to say - this creates an addition= al layer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-). Hope this helps Cheers, Jeff On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra >, wrote: Slight clarification with the arp traffic. What I meant was broadcast traf= fic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there any way= to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design requirement = with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being le= arned between all the leaf VTEPs. The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppre= ssion of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such mas= sive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning whe= re only active flows are are in the type 2 rib. Kind regards Gyan On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra > wrote: In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisi= te feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is simila= r to MPLS inter-as option b not a. Kind regards Gyan On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra > wrote: All Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications define= d in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348. In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabr= ics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site featur= e doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar t= o inter-as option A. So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VN= Is everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain. The topology is a typica= l vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so very s= mall physical L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan archit= ecture if this feature below is possible or if their is a way to do so in t= he current specification. Cisco use to have a DC product called "fabric path" which was based on conv= ersation learning. Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future= enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only th= e active mac's that are part of a conversations flow are the mac that are f= looded throughout the vxlan fabric. That would really help tremendously wi= th arp storms so if new arp entries are generated locally on a leaf they ar= e not flooded through the fabric unless their are active flows between leaf= s. Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switc= hes at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other paramete= rs.. That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic. Kind regards Gyan -- Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com -- Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com -- Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com _______________________________________________ BESS mailing list BESS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess -- Gyan Mishra Network Engineering & Technology Verizon Silver Spring, MD 20904 Phone: 301 502-1347 Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com -- [Image removed by sender.] Gyan Mishra Network Solutions Architect Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com M 301 502-1347 --_000_MN2PR05MB662327750B6113D3B338601FC7449MN2PR05MB6623namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, and everyone has implemented it.  Unfortun= ately, it had an inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulatio= n attribute and hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years= . 

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

 

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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com&g= t;
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM
To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>; BESS <bess@i= etf.org>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; John E Drake &l= t;jdrake@juniper.net>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jor= ge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

 

Authors 

 

Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC?<= /o:p>

 

 

 

This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod N= VO3 solutions with multiple vendors.

 

 

Thanks 

 

Gyan

 

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ra= badan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gm= ail.com>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: BESS <bess@ietf.org>

 

Hi Gyan,

 

If I may, no= te that:

= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section-4.6=

 

Also provide= s vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on DCI, you can pe= rfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity.

 

Thanks.

Jorge

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan= Mishra <haya= busagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: BESS <bess= @ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

 

 

Hi Jeff 

 

Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter po= d or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as= DCI option inter DC without MPLS.  The segmentation localizes BUM tra= ffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned sim= ilar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b.  There is a extra load as you said on t= he BGW border gateway performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then= again encap towards the egress border gateway.  Due to that extra load on the border gateway it’s not= recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi si= te to be scalable.  Definitely requires proprietary asic and not merch= ant silicon or white box solution.  The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or s= ingle fabric spine that contains all leafs.  That decoupling sounds li= ke incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which wou= ld result in more BUM traffic  but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flow= s versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere.  I = wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control p= lane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2= Mac learner across the fabric.

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan 

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:<= o:p>

Gyan,

 

"Multi site” is not really an IETF terminology, this is a soluti= on implement by NX-OS, there’s a draft though. Its main functionality= is to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full me= sh of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.

The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at = the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it s= oon on low end silicon.

It doesn’t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span o= f “broadcast domain” and reduces the need for large flood domai= ns (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW)=

 

Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementati= on issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreove= r in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed dec= oupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane was aware of “Active= 221; flows.  Needless to say - this creates  an additional layer = of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-).

 

Hope this helps

 

Cheers,

Jeff

On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, wrote:<= /o:p>

 

 

Slight clarification with the arp traffic.  What I meant was broadcast= traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there an= y way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design require= ment with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. &n= bsp;

 

The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppre= ssion of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such mas= sive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning whe= re only active flows are are in the type 2 rib.

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

 

In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisi= te feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is simila= r to MPLS inter-as option b not a.  

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

 

All

 

Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications define= d in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348.

 

In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabr= ics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site featur= e doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar t= o inter-as option A.

 

So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VN= Is everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain.  The topology is a t= ypical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so v= ery small physical  L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is= possible or if their is a way to do so in the current specification.<= /o:p>

 

Cisco use to have a DC product called “fabric path” which was b= ased on conversation learning.

 

Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future= enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only th= e active mac’s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac that= are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric.  That would really help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries = are generated locally on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unl= ess their are active flows between leafs.

 

Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switc= hes at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other paramete= rs..  That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic.

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan 

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Network Engineering & Technology 

Verizon 

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

 

 

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Gyan  Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology 

Verizon 

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

 

 

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Gyan  Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology 

Verizon 

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

 

 

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Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:14:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8193067d-3b28-40fc-8c96-3f3c528ece6c@Spark> <0B536455-62B0-434A-9FD8-D5DBB51ACA9E@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: From: Gyan Mishra Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: John E Drake Cc: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" , BESS , Jeff Tantsura , "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="00000000000022309f05c0bb0a07" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:14:13 -0000 --00000000000022309f05c0bb0a07 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000022309c05c0bb0a06" --00000000000022309c05c0bb0a06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That=E2=80=99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!! Unfortunate on the red tape with the turn around to RFC. Kind Regards Gyan On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake wrote: > Yes, and everyone has implemented it. Unfortunately, it had an > inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation attribute and > hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years. > > > > Yours Irrespectively, > > > > John > > > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > *From:* Gyan Mishra > *Sent:* Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM > *To:* Ali Sajassi (sajassi) ; BESS ; > Jeff Tantsura ; John E Drake ; > Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) > *Subject:* Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question > > > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > > > Authors > > > > Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC? > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10 > > > > > > > This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with > multiple vendors. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gyan > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)* > > Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM > Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question > To: Gyan Mishra , Jeff Tantsura < > jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> > CC: BESS > > > > Hi Gyan, > > > > If I may, note that: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section-4= .6 > > > > > Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on > DCI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity. > > > > Thanks. > > Jorge > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Gyan Mishra < > hayabusagsm@gmail.com> > *Date: *Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM > *To: *Jeff Tantsura > *Cc: *BESS > *Subject: *Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question > > > > > > Hi Jeff > > > > Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter > pod or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC o= r > as DCI option inter DC without MPLS. The segmentation localizes BUM > traffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is > segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 vpn > opt b. There is a extra load as you said on the BGW border gateway > performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then again encap towards > the egress border gateway. Due to that extra load on the border gateway > it=E2=80=99s not recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra = layer for > multi site to be scalable. Definitely requires proprietary asic and not > merchant silicon or white box solution. The BUM traffic is much reduced = as > you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or single fabric spine > that contains all leafs. That decoupling sounds like incongruent control > and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which would result in more BUM > traffic but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning > only active flows versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned > everywhere. I wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling = of > EVPN control plane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact > convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2 Mac learner > across the fabric. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sharma-multi-site-evpn/ > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > > Gyan, > > > > "Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solutio= n > implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functionalit= y is to > localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh of > VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here. > > The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation a= t > the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it soon = on > low end silicon. > > It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the sp= an of > =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood d= omains (modern HW > gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW) > > > > Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an > implementation issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doi= ng > so, moreover in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) = we > indeed decoupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so > control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2=80=9D flows. Needless to s= ay - this creates > an additional layer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the > system ;-). > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra , > wrote: > > > > > > Slight clarification with the arp traffic. What I meant was broadcast > traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there a= ny > way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design > requirement with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility > routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. > > > > The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast > suppression of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have > such massive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation > learning where only active flows are are in the type 2 rib. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra wrote= : > > > > In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the > multisite feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which = is > similar to MPLS inter-as option b not a. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra wrote= : > > > > All > > > > Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications > defined in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348. > > > > In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual > fabrics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site > feature doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods > similar to inter-as option A. > > > > So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 > VNIs everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain. The topology is a > typical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch s= o > very small physical L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxla= n > architecture if this feature below is possible or if their is a way to do > so in the current specification. > > > > Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which= was based on > conversation learning. > > > > Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe > future enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that > only the active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are t= he mac > that are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric. That would really help > tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries are generated locally = on > a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unless their are active > flows between leafs. > > > > Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf > switches at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other > parameters.. That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > -- > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --00000000000022309c05c0bb0a06 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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AOAM530cO/UEEj07WHjuMhvHNYauYlVW0dTnTxnuEYpo01fesHqOkYyU Feo17VzyUX9IHnIbeWlEOBCN11EvdrW6yEwXR4w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzMj/c6syoe6nQstzgMuod+NbD4BnU82cZnMyz2rNG1EDGW+uhK9SLYshm2/R3o6u5aDifoInzS519wQO74xkc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:4608:: with SMTP id w8mr10925400pjg.132.1619290562125; Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:56:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8193067d-3b28-40fc-8c96-3f3c528ece6c@Spark> <0B536455-62B0-434A-9FD8-D5DBB51ACA9E@nokia.com> <10A5A6FE-27B4-41B2-AC55-9918724C9440@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <10A5A6FE-27B4-41B2-AC55-9918724C9440@cisco.com> From: Gyan Mishra Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 14:55:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" , BESS , Jeff Tantsura , John E Drake , "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="000000000000be7ba505c0bc76b6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:56:15 -0000 --000000000000be7ba505c0bc76b6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000be7ba405c0bc76b5" --000000000000be7ba405c0bc76b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Acee!! Gyan On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:20 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > There are a number of drafts that were waiting years on the IDR tunnel > Encap draft =E2=80=93 they will all be published together in this cluster= : > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=3DC349 > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Gyan Mishra < > hayabusagsm@gmail.com> > > > *Date: *Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:14 PM > *To: *John E Drake > *Cc: *Jeff Tantsura , "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" < > sajassi@cisco.com>, "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US)" , > BESS > *Subject: *Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question > > > > > > That=E2=80=99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!! > > > > Unfortunate on the red tape with the turn around to RFC. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake wrote: > > Yes, and everyone has implemented it. Unfortunately, it had an > inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation attribute and > hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years. > > > > Yours Irrespectively, > > > > John > > > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > *From:* Gyan Mishra > *Sent:* Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM > *To:* Ali Sajassi (sajassi) ; BESS ; > Jeff Tantsura ; John E Drake ; > Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) > *Subject:* Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question > > > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > > > Authors > > > > Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC? > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10 > > > > > > > This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with > multiple vendors. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gyan > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)* > > Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM > Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question > To: Gyan Mishra , Jeff Tantsura < > jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> > CC: BESS > > > > Hi Gyan, > > > > If I may, note that: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section-4= .6 > > > > > Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on > DCI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity. > > > > Thanks. > > Jorge > > > > *From: *BESS on behalf of Gyan Mishra < > hayabusagsm@gmail.com> > *Date: *Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM > *To: *Jeff Tantsura > *Cc: *BESS > *Subject: *Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question > > > > > > Hi Jeff > > > > Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter > pod or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC o= r > as DCI option inter DC without MPLS. The segmentation localizes BUM > traffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is > segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 vpn > opt b. There is a extra load as you said on the BGW border gateway > performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then again encap towards > the egress border gateway. Due to that extra load on the border gateway > it=E2=80=99s not recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra = layer for > multi site to be scalable. Definitely requires proprietary asic and not > merchant silicon or white box solution. The BUM traffic is much reduced = as > you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or single fabric spine > that contains all leafs. That decoupling sounds like incongruent control > and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which would result in more BUM > traffic but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning > only active flows versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned > everywhere. I wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling = of > EVPN control plane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact > convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2 Mac learner > across the fabric. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sharma-multi-site-evpn/ > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > > Gyan, > > > > "Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solutio= n > implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functionalit= y is to > localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh of > VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here. > > The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation a= t > the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it soon = on > low end silicon. > > It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the sp= an of > =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood d= omains (modern HW > gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW) > > > > Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an > implementation issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doi= ng > so, moreover in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) = we > indeed decoupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so > control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2=80=9D flows. Needless to s= ay - this creates > an additional layer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the > system ;-). > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra , > wrote: > > > > > > Slight clarification with the arp traffic. What I meant was broadcast > traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there a= ny > way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design > requirement with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility > routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. > > > > The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast > suppression of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have > such massive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation > learning where only active flows are are in the type 2 rib. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra wrote= : > > > > In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the > multisite feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which = is > similar to MPLS inter-as option b not a. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra wrote= : > > > > All > > > > Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications > defined in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348. > > > > In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual > fabrics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site > feature doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods > similar to inter-as option A. > > > > So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 > VNIs everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain. The topology is a > typical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch s= o > very small physical L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxla= n > architecture if this feature below is possible or if their is a way to do > so in the current specification. > > > > Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which= was based on > conversation learning. > > > > Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe > future enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that > only the active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are t= he mac > that are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric. That would really help > tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries are generated locally = on > a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unless their are active > flows between leafs. > > > > Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf > switches at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other > parameters.. That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Gyan > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > -- > > Gyan Mishra > > Network Engineering & Technology > > Verizon > > Silver Spring, MD 20904 > > Phone: 301 502-1347 > > Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > > > > > > -- > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > > -- > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions Architect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > *M 301 502-1347* > > > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --000000000000be7ba405c0bc76b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Acee!!

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Gyan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:20 PM Acee Lindem= (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:=

There are a number of drafts that were waiting years= on the IDR tunnel Encap draft =E2=80=93 they will all be published togethe= r in this cluster:

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https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.ph= p?cid=3DC349

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Thanks,

Acee

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Date: Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:14 PM
To: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
Cc: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)= " <sajassi@c= isco.com>, "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US)" <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com= >, BESS <bess@ietf= .org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

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That=E2=80=99s fabulous n= ews that everyone has implemented!!

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Unfortunate on the red ta= pe with the turn around to RFC.

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Kind Regards=C2=A0=

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Gyan

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On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8= :29 AM John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:

Yes, and everyone has implemented it.=C2=A0 Unfortunately, it had an inadve= rtent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation attribute and hence h= as been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years.=C2=A0

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Yours Irrespectively,

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John

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Juniper Business Use Only

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM
To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail= .com>; John E Drake <j= drake@juniper.net>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@no= kia.com>
Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

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[External Email. Be cautious of content]=

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Authors=C2=A0

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Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC?

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This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with mult= iple vendors.

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Thanks=C2=A0

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Gyan

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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ra= badan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com&g= t;
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: BESS <bess@ietf.o= rg>

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Hi Gyan,

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Also provides vxlan s= egmentation, and while the description is based on DCI, you can perfectly u= se it for inter-pod connectivity.

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From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan= Mishra <haya= busagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: BESS <bess= @ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

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Hi Jeff=C2=A0

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Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter po= d or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as= DCI option inter DC without MPLS.=C2=A0 The segmentation localizes BUM tra= ffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned sim= ilar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b.=C2=A0 There is a extra load as you said on t= he BGW border gateway performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then= again encap towards the egress border gateway.=C2=A0 Due to that extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s n= ot recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi = site to be scalable.=C2=A0 Definitely requires proprietary asic and not mer= chant silicon or white box solution.=C2=A0 The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or s= ingle fabric spine that contains all leafs.=C2=A0 That decoupling sounds li= ke incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which wou= ld result in more BUM traffic =C2=A0but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flow= s versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere.=C2=A0 I = wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control p= lane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2= Mac learner across the fabric.

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Kind regards=C2=A0

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Gyan=C2=A0

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:<= u>

Gyan,

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"Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solu= tion implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functiona= lity is to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end ful= l mesh of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.

The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at = the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it s= oon on low end silicon.

It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span= of =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood= domains (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending = on HW)

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Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementati= on issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreove= r in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed dec= oupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive= =E2=80=9D flows.=C2=A0 Needless to say - this creates =C2=A0an additional l= ayer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-).<= u>

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Hope this helps

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Cheers,

Jeff

On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, wrote:

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Slight clarification with the arp traffic.=C2=A0 What I meant was broadcast= traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there an= y way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design require= ment with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. = =C2=A0

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The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppre= ssion of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such mas= sive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning whe= re only active flows are are in the type 2 rib.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

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In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisi= te feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is simila= r to MPLS inter-as option b not a. =C2=A0

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Kind regards=C2=A0

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Gyan

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

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All

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Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications define= d in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348.

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In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabr= ics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site featur= e doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar t= o inter-as option A.

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So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VN= Is everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain.=C2=A0 The topology is a t= ypical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so v= ery small physical =C2=A0L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is= possible or if their is a way to do so in the current specification.

=C2=A0

Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which w= as based on conversation learning.

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Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future= enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only th= e active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac th= at are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric.=C2=A0 That would really help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries = are generated locally on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unl= ess their are active flows between leafs.

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Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switc= hes at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other paramete= rs..=C2=A0 That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic.

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Kind regards=C2=A0

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Gyan=C2=A0

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[73.63.232.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q78sm8123689pfc.18.2021.04.24.11.57.45 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3F603E35-6EBC-49A2-ADB1-BF5B0B40C146 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:57:43 -0700 Message-Id: References: Cc: John E Drake , "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" , BESS , "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" In-Reply-To: To: Gyan Mishra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D70) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:57:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3F603E35-6EBC-49A2-ADB1-BF5B0B40C146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gyan, Normative references have to be at least at the same level of maturity as th= e document referring. Just common sense. While it often creates rather compl= ex dependencies, it is a healthy precaution. Regards, Jeff > On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:14, Gyan Mishra wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 > That=E2=80=99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!! >=20 > Unfortunate on the red tape with the turn around to RFC. >=20 > Kind Regards=20 >=20 > Gyan >=20 >> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake wrote: >> Yes, and everyone has implemented it. Unfortunately, it had an inadverte= nt normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation attribute and hence has b= een in the RFC Editor queue for over three years.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Yours Irrespectively, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> John >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Juniper Business Use Only >> From: Gyan Mishra =20 >> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM >> To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) ; BESS ; Jeff= Tantsura ; John E Drake ; Raba= dan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) >> Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> [External Email. Be cautious of content] >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Authors=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC? >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with mu= ltiple vendors. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Thanks=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Gyan >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) = >> Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >> To: Gyan Mishra , Jeff Tantsura >> CC: BESS >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Hi Gyan, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> If I may, note that: >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section-4= .6 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on D= CI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> Jorge >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: BESS on behalf of Gyan Mishra >> Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM >> To: Jeff Tantsura >> Cc: BESS >> Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Hi Jeff=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter p= od or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as= DCI option inter DC without MPLS. The segmentation localizes BUM traffic a= nd has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched= between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b. There is a e= xtra load as you said on the BGW border gateway performing the network vtep d= encap from leaf and then again encap towards the egress border gateway. Due= to that extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s not recommended to ha= ve spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi site to be scalable. = Definitely requires proprietary asic and not merchant silicon or white box s= olution. The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric co= nnected super spine or single fabric spine that contains all leafs. That de= coupling sounds like incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2= routes which would result in more BUM traffic but it sounds like that mayb= e trade off of conversation learning only active flows versus entire data ce= nter wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere. I wonder if their is an option t= o have that real decoupling of EVPN control plane and vxlan data plane overl= ay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow T= ype 2 Mac learner across the fabric. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sharma-multi-site-evpn/ >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Kind regards=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Gyan=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura w= rote: >>=20 >> Gyan, >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> "Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solutio= n implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functionality= is to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mes= h of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.= >>=20 >> The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation a= t the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it soon o= n low end silicon. >>=20 >> It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the sp= an of =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large floo= d domains (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending o= n HW) >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementa= tion issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreov= er in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed dec= oupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane= was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2=80=9D flows. Needless to say - this create= s an additional layer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the sy= stem ;-). >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Hope this helps >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Jeff >>=20 >> On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra , wrot= e: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Slight clarification with the arp traffic. What I meant was broadcast tr= affic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there any wa= y to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design requirement w= ith vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being lear= ned between all the leaf VTEPs. =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast supp= ression of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such ma= ssive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning whe= re only active flows are are in the type 2 rib. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Kind regards=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Gyan >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra wrote= : >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multi= site feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is simil= ar to MPLS inter-as option b not a. =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Kind regards=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Gyan >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra wrote= : >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> All >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications defi= ned in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fa= brics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site featu= re doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar t= o inter-as option A. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 V= NIs everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain. The topology is a typica= l vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so very sm= all physical L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architec= ture if this feature below is possible or if their is a way to do so in the c= urrent specification. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which= was based on conversation learning. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe futu= re enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only t= he active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac th= at are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric. That would really help tremendo= usly with arp storms so if new arp entries are generated locally on a leaf t= hey are not flooded through the fabric unless their are active flows between= leafs. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf swi= tches at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other paramet= ers.. That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Kind regards=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Gyan=20 >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> Gyan Mishra >>=20 >> Network Engineering & Technology=20 >>=20 >> Verizon=20 >>=20 >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>=20 >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>=20 >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> Gyan Mishra >>=20 >> Network Engineering & Technology=20 >>=20 >> Verizon=20 >>=20 >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>=20 >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>=20 >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> Gyan Mishra >>=20 >> Network Engineering & Technology=20 >>=20 >> Verizon=20 >>=20 >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>=20 >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>=20 >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> Gyan Mishra >>=20 >> Network Engineering & Technology=20 >>=20 >> Verizon=20 >>=20 >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>=20 >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>=20 >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> <~WRD0000.jpg> >>=20 >> Gyan Mishra >> Network Solutions Architect=20 >> Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >> M 301 502-1347 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Gyan Mishra > Network Solutions Architect=20 > Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com > M 301 502-1347 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3F603E35-6EBC-49A2-ADB1-BF5B0B40C146 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gyan,

Normative referenc= es have to be at least at the same level of maturity as the document referri= ng. Just common sense. While it often creates rather complex dependencies, i= t is a healthy precaution.

Regards,
Jeff

On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:14= , Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

That=E2=80=99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!!
=

Unfortunate on the red tape wi= th the turn around to RFC.

Kind Regards 

Gyan=

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake &= lt;jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:

Yes, and everyone has implemented it.  Unfortuna= tely, it had an inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation a= ttribute and hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years.&nb= sp;

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only=

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM
To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) &= lt;jorge.rabada= n@nokia.com>
Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

 

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

=

 

 

Authors 

 

Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC?=

 

 

 

This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NV= O3 solutions with multiple vendors.

 

 

Thanks 

 

Gyan

 

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Rab= adan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com><= br> Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: BESS <bess@ietf.or= g>

 

Hi Gyan,

 

If I may, note that:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#sec= tion-4.6

 

Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on DCI= , you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity.<= /p>

 

Thanks.

Jorge

 

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan Mi= shra <hayabusa= gsm@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: BESS <bess@= ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

 

 

Hi Jeff 

 

Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter pod= or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as D= CI option inter DC without MPLS.  The segmentation localizes BUM traffi= c and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned simi= lar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b.  There is a extra load as you said on the= BGW border gateway performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then ag= ain encap towards the egress border gateway.  Due to that extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s no= t recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi si= te to be scalable.  Definitely requires proprietary asic and not mercha= nt silicon or white box solution.  The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or si= ngle fabric spine that contains all leafs.  That decoupling sounds like= incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which would r= esult in more BUM traffic  but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flows= versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere.  I wo= nder if their is an option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control plan= e and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2 M= ac learner across the fabric.

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan 

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:=

Gyan,

 

"Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solution i= mplement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functionality is= to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh o= f VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.

The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at t= he boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it soo= n on low end silicon.

It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span o= f =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood do= mains (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on H= W)

 

Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementatio= n issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreover i= n the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed decoupl= ed data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2= =80=9D flows.  Needless to say - this creates  an additional layer= of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-).

 

Hope this helps

 

Cheers,

Jeff

On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, wrote:<= u>

 

 

Slight clarification with the arp traffic.  What I meant was broadcast t= raffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there any w= ay to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design requirement= with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. &nb= sp;

 

The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppres= sion of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such massi= ve Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning where o= nly active flows are are in the type 2 rib.

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

 

In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisit= e feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is similar t= o MPLS inter-as option b not a.  

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

 

All

 

Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications defined= in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348.<= /u>

 

In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabri= cs per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site feature d= oing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar to in= ter-as option A.

 

So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VNI= s everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain.  The topology is a typ= ical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so very= small physical  L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is p= ossible or if their is a way to do so in the current specification.

 

Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which wa= s based on conversation learning.

 

Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future e= nhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only the a= ctive mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac that a= re flooded throughout the vxlan fabric.  That would really help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries a= re generated locally on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unles= s their are active flows between leafs.

 

Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switch= es at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other parameters= ..  That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic.

 

Kind regards 

 

Gyan 

--

Gyan  Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology 

Verizon 

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: = gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

 

 

--

Gyan  Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology 

Verizon 

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: = gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

 

 

--

Gyan  Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology 

Verizon 

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: = gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

 

 

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BESS@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess<= u>

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Network Engineering & Technology 

Verizon 

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: = gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

 

 

--

Gyan Mishra

Network Solutions Architect 

Email gyan.s.mishra= @verizon.com

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I think we are close to seeing light at the end of the tunnel for the encap draft. Kind Regards Gyan On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Gyan, > > Normative references have to be at least at the same level of maturity as > the document referring. Just common sense. While it often creates rather > complex dependencies, it is a healthy precaution. > > Regards, > Jeff > > On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:14, Gyan Mishra wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > > That=E2=80=99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!! > > Unfortunate on the red tape with the turn around to RFC. > > Kind Regards > > Gyan > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake wrote: > > Yes, and everyone has implemented it. Unfortunately, it had an >> inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation attribute an= d >> hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years. >> >> >> >> Yours Irrespectively, >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> *From:* Gyan Mishra >> *Sent:* Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM >> *To:* Ali Sajassi (sajassi) ; BESS ; >> Jeff Tantsura ; John E Drake ; >> Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) >> *Subject:* Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >> >> >> >> *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* >> >> >> >> >> >> Authors >> >> >> >> Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC? >> >> >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with >> multiple vendors. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Gyan >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: *Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)* < >> jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> >> Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >> To: Gyan Mishra , Jeff Tantsura < >> jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> >> CC: BESS >> >> >> >> Hi Gyan, >> >> >> >> If I may, note that: >> >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section-= 4.6 >> >> >> >> >> Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on >> DCI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jorge >> >> >> >> *From: *BESS on behalf of Gyan Mishra < >> hayabusagsm@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM >> *To: *Jeff Tantsura >> *Cc: *BESS >> *Subject: *Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Jeff >> >> >> >> Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter >> pod or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC = or >> as DCI option inter DC without MPLS. The segmentation localizes BUM >> traffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is >> segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 vp= n >> opt b. There is a extra load as you said on the BGW border gateway >> performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then again encap toward= s >> the egress border gateway. Due to that extra load on the border gateway >> it=E2=80=99s not recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra= layer for >> multi site to be scalable. Definitely requires proprietary asic and not >> merchant silicon or white box solution. The BUM traffic is much reduced= as >> you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or single fabric spin= e >> that contains all leafs. That decoupling sounds like incongruent contro= l >> and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which would result in more BU= M >> traffic but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learnin= g >> only active flows versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned >> everywhere. I wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling= of >> EVPN control plane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact >> convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2 Mac learner >> across the fabric. >> >> >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sharma-multi-site-evpn/ >> >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> Gyan >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura >> wrote: >> >> Gyan, >> >> >> >> "Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a soluti= on >> implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functionali= ty is to >> localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh o= f >> VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here. >> >> The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation >> at the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it s= oon >> on low end silicon. >> >> It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the s= pan of >> =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood = domains (modern HW >> gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW) >> >> >> >> Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an >> implementation issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of do= ing >> so, moreover in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life)= we >> indeed decoupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so >> control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2=80=9D flows. Needless to = say - this creates >> an additional layer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the >> system ;-). >> >> >> >> Hope this helps >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jeff >> >> On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra , >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Slight clarification with the arp traffic. What I meant was broadcast >> traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there = any >> way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design >> requirement with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility >> routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. >> >> >> >> The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast >> suppression of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have >> such massive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation >> learning where only active flows are are in the type 2 rib. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> Gyan >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra >> wrote: >> >> >> >> In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the >> multisite feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which= is >> similar to MPLS inter-as option b not a. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> Gyan >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra >> wrote: >> >> >> >> All >> >> >> >> Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications >> defined in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348. >> >> >> >> In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual >> fabrics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site >> feature doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods >> similar to inter-as option A. >> >> >> >> So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 >> VNIs everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain. The topology is a >> typical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch = so >> very small physical L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxl= an >> architecture if this feature below is possible or if their is a way to d= o >> so in the current specification. >> >> >> >> Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D whic= h was based on >> conversation learning. >> >> >> >> Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe >> future enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so tha= t >> only the active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are = the mac >> that are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric. That would really help >> tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries are generated locally= on >> a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unless their are active >> flows between leafs. >> >> >> >> Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf >> switches at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other >> parameters.. That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic. >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> Gyan >> >> -- >> >> Gyan Mishra >> >> Network Engineering & Technology >> >> Verizon >> >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >> >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >> >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Gyan Mishra >> >> Network Engineering & Technology >> >> Verizon >> >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >> >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >> >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Gyan Mishra >> >> Network Engineering & Technology >> >> Verizon >> >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >> >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >> >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >> >> >> -- >> >> Gyan Mishra >> >> Network Engineering & Technology >> >> Verizon >> >> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >> >> Phone: 301 502-1347 >> >> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> > >> >> <~WRD0000.jpg> >> >> >> *Gyan Mishra* >> >> *Network Solutions Architect * >> >> *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * >> >> *M 301 502-1347* >> >> >> > -- > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions A**rchitect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > > > *M 301 502-1347* > > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --0000000000003faed105c0bc933f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Completely understood for a standards specifications with normati= ve dependencies.

I think we are close to seeing light at the end = of the tunnel for the encap draft.

Kind Regards=C2=A0
=

Gyan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jeff Tantsura= <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com= > wrote:
Gyan,=

Normative references have to be at least at the same le= vel of maturity as the document referring. Just common sense. While it ofte= n creates rather complex dependencies, it is a healthy precaution.

<= div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,
Jeff

On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:14, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> w= rote:

= =EF=BB=BF

That=E2=80= =99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!!
<= br>
Unfortunate on the red tape with the turn around= to RFC.

Kind Regards=C2= =A0

Gyan

<= /div>
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 = at 8:29 AM John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:
=

Yes, and everyone has implemented it.=C2=A0 Unfortun= ately, it had an inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulatio= n attribute and hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yours Irrespectively,

=C2=A0

John

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM
To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail= .com>; John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain= View) <jor= ge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

=C2=A0

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<= /p>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Authors=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod N= VO3 solutions with multiple vendors.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ra= badan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com&g= t;
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: BESS <bess@ietf.o= rg>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Hi Gyan,

=C2=A0

If I may, note that:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-= 10#section-4.6

=C2=A0

Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on D= CI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

Jorge

=C2=A0

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan= Mishra <haya= busagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: BESS <bess= @ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hi Jeff=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter po= d or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as= DCI option inter DC without MPLS.=C2=A0 The segmentation localizes BUM tra= ffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned sim= ilar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b.=C2=A0 There is a extra load as you said on t= he BGW border gateway performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then= again encap towards the egress border gateway.=C2=A0 Due to that extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s n= ot recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi = site to be scalable.=C2=A0 Definitely requires proprietary asic and not mer= chant silicon or white box solution.=C2=A0 The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or s= ingle fabric spine that contains all leafs.=C2=A0 That decoupling sounds li= ke incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which wou= ld result in more BUM traffic =C2=A0but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flow= s versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere.=C2=A0 I = wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control p= lane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2= Mac learner across the fabric.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:<= u>

Gyan,

=C2=A0

"Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solu= tion implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functiona= lity is to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end ful= l mesh of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.

The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at = the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it s= oon on low end silicon.

It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span= of =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood= domains (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending = on HW)

=C2=A0

Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementati= on issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreove= r in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed dec= oupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive= =E2=80=9D flows.=C2=A0 Needless to say - this creates =C2=A0an additional l= ayer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-).<= u>

=C2=A0

Hope this helps

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Jeff

On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Slight clarification with the arp traffic.=C2=A0 What I meant was broadcast= traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there an= y way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design require= ment with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppre= ssion of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such mas= sive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning whe= re only active flows are are in the type 2 rib.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

=C2=A0

In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisi= te feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is simila= r to MPLS inter-as option b not a. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

=C2=A0

All

=C2=A0

Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications define= d in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348.

=C2=A0

In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabr= ics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site featur= e doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar t= o inter-as option A.

=C2=A0

So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VN= Is everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain.=C2=A0 The topology is a t= ypical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so v= ery small physical =C2=A0L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is= possible or if their is a way to do so in the current specification.

=C2=A0

Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which w= as based on conversation learning.

=C2=A0

Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future= enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only th= e active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac th= at are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric.=C2=A0 That would really help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries = are generated locally on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unl= ess their are active flows between leafs.

=C2=A0

Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switc= hes at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other paramete= rs..=C2=A0 That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

--

Gyan=C2=A0 Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

Verizon=C2=A0

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--

Gyan=C2=A0 Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

Verizon=C2=A0

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--

Gyan=C2=A0 Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

Verizon=C2=A0

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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<= /div>
Gyan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2= 021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake <jdrak= e@juniper.net> wrote:

Yes, and everyone has implemented it.=C2=A0 Unfortun= ately, it had an inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulatio= n attribute and hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yours Irrespectively,

=C2=A0

John

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM
To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail= .com>; John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain= View) <jor= ge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

=C2=A0

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<= /p>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Authors=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod N= VO3 solutions with multiple vendors.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ra= badan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com&g= t;
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: BESS <bess@ietf.o= rg>

=C2=A0<= /p>

Hi Gyan,

=C2=A0

If I may, note that:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-= 10#section-4.6

=C2=A0

Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on D= CI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

Jorge

=C2=A0

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan= Mishra <haya= busagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: BESS <bess= @ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hi Jeff=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter po= d or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as= DCI option inter DC without MPLS.=C2=A0 The segmentation localizes BUM tra= ffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned sim= ilar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b.=C2=A0 There is a extra load as you said on t= he BGW border gateway performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then= again encap towards the egress border gateway.=C2=A0 Due to that extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s n= ot recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi = site to be scalable.=C2=A0 Definitely requires proprietary asic and not mer= chant silicon or white box solution.=C2=A0 The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or s= ingle fabric spine that contains all leafs.=C2=A0 That decoupling sounds li= ke incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which wou= ld result in more BUM traffic =C2=A0but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flow= s versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere.=C2=A0 I = wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control p= lane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2= Mac learner across the fabric.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:<= u>

Gyan,

=C2=A0

"Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solu= tion implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functiona= lity is to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end ful= l mesh of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.

The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at = the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it s= oon on low end silicon.

It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span= of =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood= domains (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending = on HW)

=C2=A0

Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementati= on issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreove= r in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed dec= oupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive= =E2=80=9D flows.=C2=A0 Needless to say - this creates =C2=A0an additional l= ayer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-).<= u>

=C2=A0

Hope this helps

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Jeff

On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Slight clarification with the arp traffic.=C2=A0 What I meant was broadcast= traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there an= y way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design require= ment with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppre= ssion of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such mas= sive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning whe= re only active flows are are in the type 2 rib.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

=C2=A0

In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisi= te feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is simila= r to MPLS inter-as option b not a. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

=C2=A0

All

=C2=A0

Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications define= d in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348.

=C2=A0

In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabr= ics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site featur= e doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar t= o inter-as option A.

=C2=A0

So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VN= Is everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain.=C2=A0 The topology is a t= ypical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so v= ery small physical =C2=A0L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is= possible or if their is a way to do so in the current specification.

=C2=A0

Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which w= as based on conversation learning.

=C2=A0

Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future= enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only th= e active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac th= at are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric.=C2=A0 That would really help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries = are generated locally on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unl= ess their are active flows between leafs.

=C2=A0

Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switc= hes at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other paramete= rs..=C2=A0 That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

--

Gyan=C2=A0 Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

Verizon=C2=A0

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--

Gyan=C2=A0 Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

Verizon=C2=A0

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--

Gyan=C2=A0 Mishra

Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

Verizon=C2=A0

Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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Kind Regards Gyan On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 3:03 PM Gyan Mishra wrote: > Completely understood for a standards specifications with normative > dependencies. > > I think we are close to seeing light at the end of the tunnel for the > encap draft. > > Kind Regards > > Gyan > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > >> Gyan, >> >> Normative references have to be at least at the same level of maturity a= s >> the document referring. Just common sense. While it often creates rather >> complex dependencies, it is a healthy precaution. >> >> Regards, >> Jeff >> >> On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:14, Gyan Mishra wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BF >> >> >> That=E2=80=99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!! >> >> Unfortunate on the red tape with the turn around to RFC. >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Gyan >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake wrote: >> >> Yes, and everyone has implemented it. Unfortunately, it had an >>> inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulation attribute a= nd >>> hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yours Irrespectively, >>> >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Juniper Business Use Only >>> >>> *From:* Gyan Mishra >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM >>> *To:* Ali Sajassi (sajassi) ; BESS ; >>> Jeff Tantsura ; John E Drake < >>> jdrake@juniper.net>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) < >>> jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> >>> *Subject:* Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >>> >>> >>> >>> *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Authors >>> >>> >>> >>> Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC? >>> >>> >>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod NVO3 solutions with >>> multiple vendors. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Gyan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: *Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)* < >>> jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> >>> Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM >>> Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >>> To: Gyan Mishra , Jeff Tantsura < >>> jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> >>> CC: BESS >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Gyan, >>> >>> >>> >>> If I may, note that: >>> >>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-10#section= -4.6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on >>> DCI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *BESS on behalf of Gyan Mishra < >>> hayabusagsm@gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM >>> *To: *Jeff Tantsura >>> *Cc: *BESS >>> *Subject: *Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jeff >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inte= r >>> pod or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC= or >>> as DCI option inter DC without MPLS. The segmentation localizes BUM >>> traffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is >>> segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned similar to inter-as L3 v= pn >>> opt b. There is a extra load as you said on the BGW border gateway >>> performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then again encap towar= ds >>> the egress border gateway. Due to that extra load on the border gatewa= y >>> it=E2=80=99s not recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extr= a layer for >>> multi site to be scalable. Definitely requires proprietary asic and no= t >>> merchant silicon or white box solution. The BUM traffic is much reduce= d as >>> you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or single fabric spi= ne >>> that contains all leafs. That decoupling sounds like incongruent contr= ol >>> and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which would result in more B= UM >>> traffic but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learni= ng >>> only active flows versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned >>> everywhere. I wonder if their is an option to have that real decouplin= g of >>> EVPN control plane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact >>> convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2 Mac learner >>> across the fabric. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sharma-multi-site-evpn/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Gyan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura >>> wrote: >>> >>> Gyan, >>> >>> >>> >>> "Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solut= ion >>> implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functional= ity is to >>> localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end full mesh = of >>> VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here. >>> >>> The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation >>> at the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it = soon >>> on low end silicon. >>> >>> It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the = span of >>> =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood= domains (modern HW >>> gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending on HW) >>> >>> >>> >>> Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an >>> implementation issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of d= oing >>> so, moreover in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life= ) we >>> indeed decoupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement s= o >>> control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive=E2=80=9D flows. Needless to= say - this creates >>> an additional layer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the >>> system ;-). >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra , >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Slight clarification with the arp traffic. What I meant was broadcast >>> traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there= any >>> way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design >>> requirement with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility >>> routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. >>> >>> >>> >>> The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast >>> suppression of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not hav= e >>> such massive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation >>> learning where only active flows are are in the type 2 rib. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Gyan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the >>> multisite feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite whic= h is >>> similar to MPLS inter-as option b not a. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Gyan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> All >>> >>> >>> >>> Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications >>> defined in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348= . >>> >>> >>> >>> In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual >>> fabrics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi sit= e >>> feature doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods >>> similar to inter-as option A. >>> >>> >>> >>> So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L= 3 >>> VNIs everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain. The topology is a >>> typical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch= so >>> very small physical L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vx= lan >>> architecture if this feature below is possible or if their is a way to = do >>> so in the current specification. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D whi= ch was based on >>> conversation learning. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe >>> future enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so th= at >>> only the active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are= the mac >>> that are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric. That would really help >>> tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries are generated locall= y on >>> a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unless their are active >>> flows between leafs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf >>> switches at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other >>> parameters.. That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Gyan >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Gyan Mishra >>> >>> Network Engineering & Technology >>> >>> Verizon >>> >>> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>> >>> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>> >>> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Gyan Mishra >>> >>> Network Engineering & Technology >>> >>> Verizon >>> >>> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>> >>> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>> >>> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Gyan Mishra >>> >>> Network Engineering & Technology >>> >>> Verizon >>> >>> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>> >>> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>> >>> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BESS mailing list >>> BESS@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Gyan Mishra >>> >>> Network Engineering & Technology >>> >>> Verizon >>> >>> Silver Spring, MD 20904 >>> >>> Phone: 301 502-1347 >>> >>> Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> >>> >>> <~WRD0000.jpg> >>> >>> >>> *Gyan Mishra* >>> >>> *Network Solutions Architect * >>> >>> *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * >>> >>> *M 301 502-1347* >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> >> >> >> *Gyan Mishra* >> >> *Network Solutions A**rchitect * >> >> *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * >> >> >> >> *M 301 502-1347* >> >> -- > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions A**rchitect * > > *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * > > > > *M 301 502-1347* > > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --0000000000000bc3c105c0bf75e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looks like it has been submitted for publi= cation!!


Ready to drain the queue of drafts with normative refe= rences!!

Kind Regards=C2= =A0

Gyan

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Apr= 24, 2021 at 3:03 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:
Completely understood for a standards specifications with no= rmative dependencies.

I think we are close to seeing light at the= end of the tunnel for the encap draft.

Kind Regards=C2=A0
<= /div>

Gyan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jeff Tant= sura <jefft= ant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"auto">Gyan,

Normative references have to be a= t least at the same level of maturity as the document referring. Just commo= n sense. While it often creates rather complex dependencies, it is a health= y precaution.

Regards,
Jeff

On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:14, Gyan Mish= ra <hayabusag= sm@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

That=E2=80=99s fabulous news that everyone has implemented!!

Unfortunate on the red tape= with the turn around to RFC.

Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan

= On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:

Yes, and everyone has implemented it.=C2=A0 Unfortun= ately, it had an inadvertent normative reference to the tunnel encapsulatio= n attribute and hence has been in the RFC Editor queue for over three years= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yours Irrespectively,

=C2=A0

John

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:21 PM
To: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com>; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail= .com>; John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>; Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain= View) <jor= ge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Subject: Fwd: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

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<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<= /p>

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Authors=C2=A0

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Do we know if this draft will progress to RFC?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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This is a very useful draft for intra DC multi pod N= VO3 solutions with multiple vendors.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ra= badan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com&g= t;
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: BESS <bess@ietf.o= rg>

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Hi Gyan,

=C2=A0

If I may, note that:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-dci-evpn-overlay-= 10#section-4.6

=C2=A0

Also provides vxlan segmentation, and while the description is based on D= CI, you can perfectly use it for inter-pod connectivity.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

Jorge

=C2=A0

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan= Mishra <haya= busagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:21 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: BESS <bess= @ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] VXLAN BGP EVPN Question

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hi Jeff=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Yes - Cisco has a draft for multi site for use cases capability of inter po= d or inter site segmented path between desperate POD fabrics intra DC or as= DCI option inter DC without MPLS.=C2=A0 The segmentation localizes BUM tra= ffic and has border gateway DF election for BUM traffic that is segmented stitched between PODs as I mentioned sim= ilar to inter-as L3 vpn opt b.=C2=A0 There is a extra load as you said on t= he BGW border gateway performing the network vtep dencap from leaf and then= again encap towards the egress border gateway.=C2=A0 Due to that extra load on the border gateway it=E2=80=99s n= ot recommended to have spine function on BGW thus an extra layer for multi = site to be scalable.=C2=A0 Definitely requires proprietary asic and not mer= chant silicon or white box solution.=C2=A0 The BUM traffic is much reduced as you stated from multi fabric connected super spine or s= ingle fabric spine that contains all leafs.=C2=A0 That decoupling sounds li= ke incongruent control and data plane with Mac only Type 2 routes which wou= ld result in more BUM traffic =C2=A0but it sounds like that maybe trade off of conversation learning only active flow= s versus entire data center wide Mac VRF being learned everywhere.=C2=A0 I = wonder if their is an option to have that real decoupling of EVPN control p= lane and vxlan data plane overlay that does not impact convergence but adds stability and only active flow Type 2= Mac learner across the fabric.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:04 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:<= u>

Gyan,

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"Multi site=E2=80=9D is not really an IETF terminology, this is a solu= tion implement by NX-OS, there=E2=80=99s a draft though. Its main functiona= lity is to localize VxLAN tunnels and provide segmented path vs end2end ful= l mesh of VxLAN tunnels (participating in the same EVI). We are talking HER here.

The feature is heavily HW dependent as it requires BUM re-encapsulation at = the boundaries (leaf1->BGW1-BGW2->leaf2..n). So good luck seeing it s= oon on low end silicon.

It doesn=E2=80=99t eliminate BUM traffic but significantly reduces the span= of =E2=80=9Cbroadcast domain=E2=80=9D and reduces the need for large flood= domains (modern HW gives you ~512 large flood groups, obviously depending = on HW)

=C2=A0

Wrt your question about Mac conversation learning - this is an implementati= on issue, nothing in EVPN specifications precludes you of doing so, moreove= r in the implementation I was designing (in my previous life) we indeed dec= oupled data plane learning from control plane advertisement so control plane was aware of =E2=80=9CActive= =E2=80=9D flows.=C2=A0 Needless to say - this creates =C2=A0an additional l= ayer of complexity and all kinds of funky states in the system ;-).<= u>

=C2=A0

Hope this helps

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Jeff

On Apr 23, 2020, 8:30 AM -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Slight clarification with the arp traffic.=C2=A0 What I meant was broadcast= traffic translated into BUM traffic with the EVPN architecture is there an= y way to reduce the amount of BUM traffic with a data center design require= ment with vlan anywhere sprawl with 1000s of type 2 Mac mobility routes being learned between all the leaf VTEPs. = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

The elimination of broadcast is a tremendous gain and with broadcast suppre= ssion of multicast that does help but it would be nice to not have such mas= sive Mac tables type 2 route churn chatter with a conversation learning whe= re only active flows are are in the type 2 rib.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:47 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

=C2=A0

In the description of the vxlan BGP evpn scenario has a typo on the multisi= te feature segmented LSP inter pod with the RT auto rewrite which is simila= r to MPLS inter-as option b not a. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:57 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:=

=C2=A0

All

=C2=A0

Had a question related to vxlan BGP EVPN architecture specifications define= d in BGP EVPN NVO3 overlay RFC 8365 and VXLAN data plane RFC 7348.

=C2=A0

In a Data Center environment where you have a multiple PODs individual fabr= ics per POD connected via a super spine extension using a Multi site featur= e doing auto rewrite of RTs to stitch the NVE tunnel between pods similar t= o inter-as option A.

=C2=A0

So in this scenario where you have vlan sprawl everywhere with L2 and L3 VN= Is everywhere as if it were a a single L2 domain.=C2=A0 The topology is a t= ypical vxlan spine leaf topology where the L3 leafs are the TOR switch so v= ery small physical =C2=A0L2 fault domain. So I was wondering if with the vxlan architecture if this feature below is= possible or if their is a way to do so in the current specification.

=C2=A0

Cisco use to have a DC product called =E2=80=9Cfabric path=E2=80=9D which w= as based on conversation learning.

=C2=A0

Is there any way with existing vxlan BGP evpn specification or maybe future= enhancement to have a Mac conversation learning capability so that only th= e active mac=E2=80=99s that are part of a conversations flow are the mac th= at are flooded throughout the vxlan fabric.=C2=A0 That would really help tremendously with arp storms so if new arp entries = are generated locally on a leaf they are not flooded through the fabric unl= ess their are active flows between leafs.

=C2=A0

Also is there a way to filter type 2 Mac mobility routes between leaf switc= hes at the control plane level based on remote vtep or maybe other paramete= rs..=C2=A0 That would also reduce arp storms BUM traffic.

=C2=A0

Kind regards=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

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Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

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Silver Spring, MD 20904

Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

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Network Engineering & Technology=C2=A0

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Phone: 301 502-1347

Email: gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com

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Phone: 301 502-1347

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I support the adoption= . However, have a few comments:

The intended status of the=C2=A0draft is Informational, but it do= esn't look right.=C2=A0

The abstract says:
=C2=A0 This document speci= fies how the different EVPN
=C2=A0 =C2=A0functi= onal modes and types can interoperate with each other. This
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0document doesn't aim to redefine the existing functional modes bu= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0extend them for interoperability.

In addition, the draft has mult= iple normative statements. Hence, believe=C2=A0the intended status should b= e standards track instead..

Section 4.2 says:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0With PE2 opera= ting in Symmetric IRB and with enabled interop mode,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the MA= C/IP route from PE1 (Asymmetric IRB) is processed in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0re= spective bridging, routing and adjacency table. Based on the Route-
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Target for MAC-VRF1, the MAC address M1 will be imported into MAC= -
=C2=A0 =C2=A0VRF1 respectively and placed within BD0. In addition, = the host-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0binding information M1/IP1 MUST be installed with= in PE2s adjacency
=C2=A0 =C2=A0table.
For a PE operating in symmetric IRB mode, it is = not required=C2=A0to install M1/P1 in the ARP/ND/adjacency table as per=C2= =A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding. Hence, I think this draft = is updating/extending=C2=A0draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding.

The draft has the foll. = description for Figure 2:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The IRB inte= rfaces for a common MAC-VRF/BD on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0PE1 and PE2 use the sa= me IP address. With the difference of the IRB
=C2=A0 =C2=A0modes bet= ween PE1 (Asymmetric IRB) and PE2 (Symmetric IRB), there is
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0a difference in the MPLS Label presence as part of the MAC/IP routes
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0exchanged between the PEs.

I guess it should say "same IP address and MAC a= ddress". Otherwise, it is not necessary to install M1/P1 in PE2's = adj table. If PE2 receives a packet destined to P1, PE2 will initiate a gle= an procedure causing the host having (M1, P1) to respond. The response will= reach PE2, so PE2 will install in its adjacency. The problem occurs only w= hen both PE1 and PE2 use the same anycast default gateway IP and MAC addres= ses (which is also the recommended option as per draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter= -subnet-forwarding), in which case the response from the host will be local= ly consumed by PE1.

Re= gards,
Muthu

=
On Mon, Ap= r 19, 2021 at 11:36 PM <slitk= ows.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

= Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0poll= =C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-= krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0<= u>

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group l= ist.=

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0pol= ling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to= ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see = RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author or a contributor = of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not = you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing lis= t. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the aut= hors and contributors.=

=C2=A0

Cu= rrently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an author or a= contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any I= PR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

= This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption= =C2=A0closes on 4th May 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /u>

[= 1]=C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kratti= ger-evpn-modes-interop/

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Is the draft describing interoperability extensions that exist today and caveats or is this new pertinent extensions changes to EVPN specification. Does this draft update RFC 7432 or RFC 8365 in any way and if it does then it should be Standards Track. Kind Regards Gyan On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 7:15 AM Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal < muthu.arul@gmail.com> wrote: > I support the adoption. However, have a few comments: > > The intended status of the draft is Informational, but it doesn't look > right. > > The abstract says: > This document specifies how the different EVPN > functional modes and types can interoperate with each other. This > document doesn't aim to redefine the existing functional modes > *but extend them for interoperability*. > > In addition, the draft has multiple normative statements. Hence, > believe the intended status should be standards track instead.. > > Section 4.2 says: > With PE2 operating in Symmetric IRB and with enabled interop mode, > the MAC/IP route from PE1 (Asymmetric IRB) is processed in the > respective bridging, routing and adjacency table. Based on the Route- > Target for MAC-VRF1, the MAC address M1 will be imported into MAC- > VRF1 respectively and placed within BD0. > > * In addition, the host- binding information M1/IP1 MUST be installed > within PE2s adjacency table.* > > For a PE operating in symmetric IRB mode, it is not required to install > M1/P1 in the ARP/ND/adjacency table as > per draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding. Hence, I think this dra= ft > is updating/extending draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding. > > The draft has the foll. description for Figure 2: > The IRB interfaces for a common MAC-VRF/BD on > PE1 and PE2 use the *same IP address*. With the difference of the IRB > modes between PE1 (Asymmetric IRB) and PE2 (Symmetric IRB), there is > a difference in the MPLS Label presence as part of the MAC/IP routes > exchanged between the PEs. > > I guess it should say "same IP address and MAC address". Otherwise, it is > not necessary to install M1/P1 in PE2's adj table. If PE2 receives a pack= et > destined to P1, PE2 will initiate a glean procedure causing the host havi= ng > (M1, P1) to respond. The response will reach PE2, so PE2 will install in > its adjacency. The problem occurs only when both PE1 and PE2 use the same > anycast default gateway IP and MAC addresses (which is also the recommend= ed > option as per draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding), in which cas= e > the response from the host will be locally consumed by PE1. > > Regards, > Muthu > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:36 PM wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >> >> This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for >> draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop-03 [1]. >> >> >> >> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group >> list. >> >> >> >> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to >> this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with >> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >> >> >> >> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please >> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any >> relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document wi= ll >> not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. >> >> >> >> Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. >> >> >> >> If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please >> explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet bee= n >> disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >> >> >> This poll for adoption closes on 4th May 2021. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthew and Stephane >> >> >> >> >> >> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krattiger-evpn-modes-interop= / >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BESS mailing list >> BESS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >> > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --00000000000088103705c0a3715e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1 on Standards Track for interoperability extension, how= ever in IANA section I don=E2=80=99t see any new codepoint requests as its = =C2=A0set to TBD.

Is the= draft describing interoperability extensions that exist today and caveats = or is this new pertinent extensions changes to EVPN specification.

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--0000000000000bc3c105c0bf75e6-- From nobody Mon Apr 26 02:56:01 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A323A16ED; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 02:55:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <161943095583.14252.7554303326216203163@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 02:55:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-pbb-evpn-isid-cmacflush-02.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:55:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : PBB-EVPN ISID-based CMAC-Flush Authors : Jorge Rabadan Senthil Sathappan Kiran Nagaraj M. Miyake T. Matsuda Filename : draft-ietf-bess-pbb-evpn-isid-cmacflush-02.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2021-04-26 Abstract: Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB) can be combined with Ethernet VPN (EVPN) to deploy Ethernet Local Area Network (ELAN) services in large Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) networks (PBB-EVPN). Single- Active Multi-homing and per-ISID Load-Balancing can be provided to access devices and aggregation networks. In order to speed up the network convergence in case of failures on Single-Active Multi-Homed Ethernet Segments, PBB-EVPN defines a flush mechanism for Customer MACs (CMAC-flush) that works for different Ethernet Segment Backbone MAC (BMAC) address allocation models. 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draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org, "Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)" , Jeff Tantsura , Lili Wang , Chenshuanglong , "Simpson, Adam 1. (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" , Qing Yang , bess-chairs@ietf.org, "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "Stephane Litkowski (slitkows)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000033172e05c0ee4bc5" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 07:02:37 -0700 Subject: [bess] Fwd: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 06:23:08 -0000 --00000000000033172e05c0ee4bc5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear BESS, I have updated the draft in revision 4 from comments during the WG Adoption poll. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh/04/ Please review. Thank you Gyan ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Mishra, Gyan S Date: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:16 AM Subject: Fwd: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt To: Hayabusanew ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:16 AM Subject: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt To: Adam Simpson , Gyan Mishra < gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com>, Jeff Tantsura , Lili Wang , Mankamana Mishra , Qing Yang = < qyang@arista.com>, Shuanglong Chen A new version of I-D, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt has been successfully submitted by Gyan Mishra and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh Revision: 04 Title: Deployment Guidelines for Edge Peering IPv4-NLRI with IPv6-NH Document date: 2021-04-26 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 21 URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_archive= _id_draft-2Dmishra-2Dbess-2Ddeployment-2Dguide-2Dipv4nlri-2Dipv6nh-2D04.txt= &d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DudBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=3DDnUkF34wu4m= qq0UY8nn2rxBBO7qOW_D-RfNVLML28ZU&m=3DbGS9O5KFA11j2hd9og9I-N5eBH-Xsiq62Ubp3k= y1Kak&s=3DGplhN6pbPFCDnWAFF0tqeVZjBX1nnF-nL6H8tLNAnsM&e=3D Status: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org= _doc_draft-2Dmishra-2Dbess-2Ddeployment-2Dguide-2Dipv4nlri-2Dipv6nh_&d=3DDw= ICaQ&c=3DudBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=3DDnUkF34wu4mqq0UY8n= n2rxBBO7qOW_D-RfNVLML28ZU&m=3DbGS9O5KFA11j2hd9og9I-N5eBH-Xsiq62Ubp3ky1Kak&s= =3DD9OyhTMLCDz9ZQc1mYku6nCUBg3VEiBBB_vSdfKR3Iw&e=3D Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org= _doc_html_draft-2Dmishra-2Dbess-2Ddeployment-2Dguide-2Dipv4nlri-2Dipv6nh&d= =3DDwICaQ&c=3DudBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=3DDnUkF34wu4mqq= 0UY8nn2rxBBO7qOW_D-RfNVLML28ZU&m=3DbGS9O5KFA11j2hd9og9I-N5eBH-Xsiq62Ubp3ky1= Kak&s=3DFKPcDJ5syMhYkZ55Xrx3JbK7hHhzHGzEtOTNimEwwRk&e=3D Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_= draft-2Dmishra-2Dbess-2Ddeployment-2Dguide-2Dipv4nlri-2Dipv6nh-2D04&d=3DDwI= CaQ&c=3DudBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=3DDnUkF34wu4mqq0UY8nn= 2rxBBO7qOW_D-RfNVLML28ZU&m=3DbGS9O5KFA11j2hd9og9I-N5eBH-Xsiq62Ubp3ky1Kak&s= =3DHfbldNQkr40Wa4XsQ_E9e4HD0mLu7Sidk35DT6yG5fM&e=3D Diff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_rfcdiff= -3Furl2-3Ddraft-2Dmishra-2Dbess-2Ddeployment-2Dguide-2Dipv4nlri-2Dipv6nh-2D= 04&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DudBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=3DDnUkF34wu= 4mqq0UY8nn2rxBBO7qOW_D-RfNVLML28ZU&m=3DbGS9O5KFA11j2hd9og9I-N5eBH-Xsiq62Ubp= 3ky1Kak&s=3DCho5i64yzsLbzTY75c5YIA7OGt1Vo03FteXhvw1XLJA&e=3D Abstract: As Enterprises and Service Providers upgrade their brown field or green field MPLS/SR core to an IPv6 transport, Multiprotocol BGP (MP- BGP)now plays an important role in the transition of their Provider (P) core network as well as Provider Edge (PE) Edge network from IPv4 to IPv6. Operators must be able to continue to support IPv4 customers when both the Core and Edge networks are IPv6-Only. This document details an important External BGP (eBGP) PE-CE Edge IPv6-Only peering design that leverages the MP-BGP capability exchange by using IPv6 peering as pure transport, allowing both IPv4 Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) and IPv6 Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI)to be carried over the same (Border Gateway Protocol) BGP TCP session. The design change provides the same Dual Stacking functionality that exists today with separate IPv4 and IPv6 BGP sessions as we have today. With this design change from a control plane perspective a single IPv6 is required for both IPv4 and IPv6 routing updates and from a data plane forwarindg perspective an IPv6 address need only be configured on the PE and CE interface for both IPv4 and IPv6 packet forwarding. This document provides a much needed solution for Internet Exchange Point (IXP) that are facing IPv4 address depletion at large peering points. With this design, IXP can now deploy PE-CE IPv6-Only eBGP Edge peering design to eliminate IPv4 provisioning at the Edge. This core and edge IPv6-Only peering design paradigm change can apply to any eBGP peering, public internet or private, which can be either Core networks, Data Center networks, Access networks or can be any eBGP peering scenario. This document provides interoperability test cases for the IPv6-Only peering design as well as test results between five major vendors stakeholders in the routing and switching indusrty, Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei. With the test results provided for the IPv6-Only Edge peering design, the goal is that all other vendors around the world that have not been tested will begin to adopt and implement this new Best Current Practice for eBGP IPv6-Only Edge peering. As this issue with IXP IPv4 address depletion is a critical issue around the world, it is imperative for an immediate solution that can be implemented quickly. This Best Current Practice IPv6-only eBGP peering design specification will help proliferate IPv6-Only deployments at the eBGP Edge network peering points to starting immediately at a minimum with operators around the world using Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei. As other vendors start to implement this Best Current Practice, the IXP IPv4 address depletion gap will eventually be eliminated. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0As Enterprises and Service Providers upgrade their brown field= or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0green field MPLS/SR core to an IPv6 transport, Multiprotocol B= GP (MP-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0BGP)now plays an important role in the transition of their Pro= vider
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(P) core network as well as Provider Edge (PE) Edge network fr= om IPv4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to IPv6.=C2=A0 Operators must be able to continue to support I= Pv4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0customers when both the Core and Edge networks are IPv6-Only.<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document details an important External BGP (eBGP) PE-CE E= dge
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv6-Only peering design that leverages the MP-BGP capability<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0exchange by using IPv6 peering as pure transport, allowing bot= h IPv4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) and IPv6 Network= Layer
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Reachability Information (NLRI)to be carried over the same (Bo= rder
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Gateway Protocol) BGP TCP session.=C2=A0 The design change pro= vides the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0same Dual Stacking functionality that exists today with separa= te IPv4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and IPv6 BGP sessions as we have today.=C2=A0 With this design= change from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a control plane perspective a single IPv6 is required for both= IPv4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and IPv6 routing updates and from a data plane forwarindg pers= pective
=C2=A0 =C2=A0an IPv6 address need only be configured on the PE and CE inter= face
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for both IPv4 and IPv6 packet forwarding.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document provides a much needed solution for Internet Exc= hange
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Point (IXP) that are facing IPv4 address depletion at large pe= ering
=C2=A0 =C2=A0points.=C2=A0 With this design, IXP can now deploy PE-CE IPv6-= Only eBGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Edge peering design to eliminate IPv4 provisioning at the Edge= .=C2=A0 This
=C2=A0 =C2=A0core and edge IPv6-Only peering design paradigm change can app= ly to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0any eBGP peering, public internet or private, which can be eit= her
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Core networks, Data Center networks, Access networks or can be= any
=C2=A0 =C2=A0eBGP peering scenario.=C2=A0 This document provides interopera= bility test
=C2=A0 =C2=A0cases for the IPv6-Only peering design as well as test results=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0between five major vendors stakeholders in the routing and swi= tching
=C2=A0 =C2=A0indusrty, Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.=C2=A0 With= the test
=C2=A0 =C2=A0results provided for the IPv6-Only Edge peering design, the go= al is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that all other vendors around the world that have not been tes= ted
=C2=A0 =C2=A0will begin to adopt and implement this new Best Current Practi= ce for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0eBGP IPv6-Only Edge peering.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0As this issue with IXP IPv4 address depletion is a critical is= sue
=C2=A0 =C2=A0around the world, it is imperative for an immediate solution t= hat can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be implemented quickly.=C2=A0 This Best Current Practice IPv6-= only eBGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0peering design specification will help proliferate IPv6-Only =C2=A0 =C2=A0deployments at the eBGP Edge network peering points to startin= g
=C2=A0 =C2=A0immediately at a minimum with operators around the world using= Cisco,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.=C2=A0 As other vendors star= t to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0implement this Best Current Practice, the IXP IPv4 address dep= letion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0gap will eventually be eliminated.




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Global Technology Services | ITNUC

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I=92m one of those missing responses. I=92m not aware of any IPR. From: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24 AM To: Gyan Mishra , BESS , draft-mishra= -bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org , Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) , Jeff Tantsura , Lili Wang , Chenshuanglong , Simpson, Adam 1. (Nokia= - US/Mountain View) , Qing Yang , bess-chairs@ietf.org , Stephane Litkowski (slitko= ws) Subject: Re: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-= guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt Authors Please can you make sure you have all responded to the IPR poll on the BESS= list for this draft? I think I am still missing responses from a couple of= you. Thanks Matthew From: Gyan Mishra Date: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 at 07:23 To: BESS , "draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6= nh@ietf.org" ,= Mankamana Misra , Jeff Tantsura , Lili Wang , Chenshuanglong , "Simpson, Adam 1. (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" , Qing Yang , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , Stephane Lit= kowski Subject: Fwd: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment= -guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt Dear BESS, I have updated the draft in revision 4 from comments during the WG Adoption= poll. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh/04/ Please review. Thank you Gyan ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Mishra, Gyan S > Date: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:16 AM Subject: Fwd: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment= -guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt To: Hayabusanew > ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: > Date: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:16 AM Subject: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guid= e-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt To: Adam Simpson = >, Gyan Mishra = >, Jeff Tantsura >,= Lili Wang >, Mankamana Mishra = >, Qing Yang >, Shuanglong Chen > A new version of I-D, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04= .txt has been successfully submitted by Gyan Mishra and posted to the IETF repository. 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Operators must be able to continue to support IPv4 customers when both the Core and Edge networks are IPv6-Only. This document details an important External BGP (eBGP) PE-CE Edge IPv6-Only peering design that leverages the MP-BGP capability exchange by using IPv6 peering as pure transport, allowing both IPv4 Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) and IPv6 Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI)to be carried over the same (Border Gateway Protocol) BGP TCP session. The design change provides the same Dual Stacking functionality that exists today with separate IPv4 and IPv6 BGP sessions as we have today. With this design change from a control plane perspective a single IPv6 is required for both IPv4 and IPv6 routing updates and from a data plane forwarindg perspective an IPv6 address need only be configured on the PE and CE interface for both IPv4 and IPv6 packet forwarding. This document provides a much needed solution for Internet Exchange Point (IXP) that are facing IPv4 address depletion at large peering points. With this design, IXP can now deploy PE-CE IPv6-Only eBGP Edge peering design to eliminate IPv4 provisioning at the Edge. This core and edge IPv6-Only peering design paradigm change can apply to any eBGP peering, public internet or private, which can be either Core networks, Data Center networks, Access networks or can be any eBGP peering scenario. This document provides interoperability test cases for the IPv6-Only peering design as well as test results between five major vendors stakeholders in the routing and switching indusrty, Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei. With the test results provided for the IPv6-Only Edge peering design, the goal is that all other vendors around the world that have not been tested will begin to adopt and implement this new Best Current Practice for eBGP IPv6-Only Edge peering. As this issue with IXP IPv4 address depletion is a critical issue around the world, it is imperative for an immediate solution that can be implemented quickly. This Best Current Practice IPv6-only eBGP peering design specification will help proliferate IPv6-Only deployments at the eBGP Edge network peering points to starting immediately at a minimum with operators around the world using Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei. As other vendors start to implement this Best Current Practice, the IXP IPv4 address depletion gap will eventually be eliminated. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat -- [Image removed by sender.] Gyan Mishra Network Solutions Architect, SME & Protocol Design Expert Data Center Planning | Common Core | Development & Engineering Lab Services Global Technology Services | ITNUC O 240 970-6287 M 301 502-1347 13101 Columbia Pike Rm 304-D Silver Spring, MD 20904 IETF & ISOC Member since 2015 https://www.ietf.org/ https://www.internetsociety.org/ -- [Image removed by sender.] Gyan Mishra Network Solutions Architect Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com M 301 502-1347 --_000_BYAPR08MB422974C75EE3723B4F3DE9759A419BYAPR08MB4229namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, I=92m one of those missing responses. I=92m n= ot aware of any IPR.

 

From: Bocci, Matthew (Nok= ia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24 AM
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, BESS <bess@ietf.or= g>, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <draf= t-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, Mankamana Mish= ra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, Lili Wang <liliw@juniper.net>, Chen= shuanglong <chenshuanglong@huawei.com>, Simpson, Adam 1. (Nokia - US/= Mountain View) <adam.1.simpson@nokia.com>, Qing Yang <qyang@arista= .com>, bess-chairs@ietf.org <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, Stephane Litkowski (slitkows) <slitkows@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-depl= oyment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt

Authors

 

Please can you make sure you have all responded to t= he IPR poll on the BESS list for this draft? I think I am still missing res= ponses from a couple of you.

 

Thanks

 

Matthew

 

From= : Gyan Mishra <h= ayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 at 07:23
To: BESS <bess@ietf.org>, "draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org" <draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-= ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, Mankamana Misra <mankamis@cisco.com>, J= eff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, Lili Wang <liliw@juniper.n= et>, Chenshuanglong <chenshuanglong@huawei.com>, "Simpson, Adam 1. (= Nokia - US/Mountain View)" <adam.1.simpson@nokia.com>, Qing Yang= <qyang@arista.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs= @ietf.org>, "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@no= kia.com>, Stephane Litkowski <slitkows@cisco.com>
Subject: Fwd: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-dep= loyment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt

 

 

Dear BESS,

 

I have updated the = draft in revision 4 from comments during the WG Adoption poll.<= /o:p>

 


Please review.

 

Thank  you

 

Gyan

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Date: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:16 AM
Subject: Fwd: [E] New Version Notification for draft-mishra-bess-deployment= -guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04.txt
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To: Adam Simpson <adam.1.simpson@nokia.com>, Gyan Mishra <gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com= >, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, Lili Wang <liliw= @juniper.net>, Mankamana Mishra <mankamis@cisco.com>, Qing Yang <qyang@arista.com>, Shuanglong Chen <chenshuanglong@huawei.com>




A new version of I-D, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-04= .txt
has been successfully submitted by Gyan Mishra and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:           draft-mishra-bess-deployment-= guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh
Revision:       04
Title:          Deployment Guidelines for Edge Pee= ring IPv4-NLRI with IPv6-NH
Document date:  2021-04-26
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          21
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Abstract:
   As Enterprises and Service Providers upgrade their brown field= or
   green field MPLS/SR core to an IPv6 transport, Multiprotocol B= GP (MP-
   BGP)now plays an important role in the transition of their Pro= vider
   (P) core network as well as Provider Edge (PE) Edge network fr= om IPv4
   to IPv6.  Operators must be able to continue to support I= Pv4
   customers when both the Core and Edge networks are IPv6-Only.<= br>
   This document details an important External BGP (eBGP) PE-CE E= dge
   IPv6-Only peering design that leverages the MP-BGP capability<= br>    exchange by using IPv6 peering as pure transport, allowing bot= h IPv4
   Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) and IPv6 Network= Layer
   Reachability Information (NLRI)to be carried over the same (Bo= rder
   Gateway Protocol) BGP TCP session.  The design change pro= vides the
   same Dual Stacking functionality that exists today with separa= te IPv4
   and IPv6 BGP sessions as we have today.  With this design= change from
   a control plane perspective a single IPv6 is required for both= IPv4
   and IPv6 routing updates and from a data plane forwarindg pers= pective
   an IPv6 address need only be configured on the PE and CE inter= face
   for both IPv4 and IPv6 packet forwarding.

   This document provides a much needed solution for Internet Exc= hange
   Point (IXP) that are facing IPv4 address depletion at large pe= ering
   points.  With this design, IXP can now deploy PE-CE IPv6-= Only eBGP
   Edge peering design to eliminate IPv4 provisioning at the Edge= .  This
   core and edge IPv6-Only peering design paradigm change can app= ly to
   any eBGP peering, public internet or private, which can be eit= her
   Core networks, Data Center networks, Access networks or can be= any
   eBGP peering scenario.  This document provides interopera= bility test
   cases for the IPv6-Only peering design as well as test results=
   between five major vendors stakeholders in the routing and swi= tching
   indusrty, Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.  With= the test
   results provided for the IPv6-Only Edge peering design, the go= al is
   that all other vendors around the world that have not been tes= ted
   will begin to adopt and implement this new Best Current Practi= ce for
   eBGP IPv6-Only Edge peering.

   As this issue with IXP IPv4 address depletion is a critical is= sue
   around the world, it is imperative for an immediate solution t= hat can
   be implemented quickly.  This Best Current Practice IPv6-= only eBGP
   peering design specification will help proliferate IPv6-Only    deployments at the eBGP Edge network peering points to startin= g
   immediately at a minimum with operators around the world using= Cisco,
   Juniper, Arista, Nokia and Huawei.  As other vendors star= t to
   implement this Best Current Practice, the IXP IPv4 address dep= letion
   gap will eventually be eliminated.




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On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:57 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: > Hi, > > > > I support the adoption of this document, it provides useful information > which can help the transition towards IPv6. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Bocci, Matthew > (Nokia - GB) > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 PM > *To:* draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; > bess@ietf.org > *Subject:* [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > --0000000000002895ef05c0f687c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support the adoption of this document, and I am not awar= e of any=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0related to this draf= t.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:57 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

I support the adoption of this document, it provides usefu= l information which can help the transition towards IPv6.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

=C2=A0

Fro= m: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.= org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 PM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh@ietf.org; b= ess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0= [1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoptio= n=C2=A0closes on April 27th 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deploymen= t-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

= =C2=A0

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--0000000000002895ef05c0f687c7-- From nobody Tue Apr 27 09:24:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2FD3A15B6; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Daniel Migault via Datatracker To: Cc: bess@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161954068804.26944.17229787113752757407@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Daniel Migault Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:24:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:24:48 -0000 Reviewer: Daniel Migault Review result: Ready Hi, Review result: Ready I reviewed this document as part of the Security Directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Security Area Directors.  However, in this case these comments mostly reflect some question to clarify my own understanding. Document authors, document editors, and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other IETF Last Call comments. Yours, Daniel Just to clarify my understanding of Fig 1. BGP usually selects the best route, so if AS1-AS2 is the best, none of the traffic will go through AS3. However even in this configuration AS2 will select one of the GW and all traffic will go only to one of the GW1 or GW2. The Add-Path might be able to distinguishes between AS1-AS2 and AS3 but AS1-AS2 cannot be subdivided between two paths one that would terminates in GW1 and another that would terminates at GW2. I am not sure following acronyms may be expanded as well as AFI/SAFI being described with text as opposed to their values. I let you decide whether that is needed or not. OLD:  An IPv4 or IPv6 NLRI containing one of the GW's loopback addresses       (that is, with an AFI/SAFI pair that is one of 1/1, 2/1, 1/4, or       2/4). NEW  An IPv4 or IPv6 Network Layer Reachability Information (NLRI) [RFC4760] containing one of the GW's loopback addresses (that is, with an Address Family Number (AFI)/ Subsequent Address Family (SAFI) pair that is one of IPv4/NLRI used for unicast forwarding (1/1), IPv6/NLRI used for unicast forwarding (2/1), IPv4/NLRI with MPLS Labels (1/4), or IPv6/NLRI with MPLS Labels (2/4)). Security consideration: When the information is shared between the domains, I am wondering if the information is encrypted or if the communication appears in clear text. If no encryption is used, that information is actually not limited to the two domains but to anyone on path can read it. If that is the case, information provided by the Egress SR domain to the Ingress SR Domain seems to me transiting through the backbone which makes the information pretty much public. I am wondering if I am missing something. 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Thank you Gyan On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 12:12 PM Qing Yang wrote: > I support the adoption of this document, and I am not aware of any IPR related > to this draft. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:57 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I support the adoption of this document, it provides useful information >> which can help the transition towards IPv6. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jie >> >> >> >> *From:* BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Bocci, >> Matthew (Nokia - GB) >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 PM >> *To:* draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; >> bess@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for >> draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for >> draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. >> >> >> >> Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group >> list. >> >> >> >> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to >> this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with >> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >> >> >> >> If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please >> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any >> relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will >> not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. >> >> >> >> Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. >> >> >> >> If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please >> explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been >> disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >> >> >> This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthew and Stephane >> >> >> >> >> >> [1] >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/ >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --0000000000004d032e05c0f73bbc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Matthew=C2=A0

All authors have now replied to IPR poll.

Thank you=C2=A0

Gyan=C2=A0

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 12:12 PM Qing Y= ang <qyang=3D40arista.com= @dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
I support the adoption of this document, and I am not aware of= any=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0related to this draft.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021= at 7:57 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

I support the adoption of this document, it provides usefu= l information which can help the transition towards IPv6.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

=C2=A0

Fro= m: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.= org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:37 PM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlr= i-ipv6nh@ietf.org; b= ess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deplo= yment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-= ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on April 27th 2021.<= /span>

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Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

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[1]=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra= -bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

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, List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 11:23:10 -0000 --0000000000003092ce05c1069aa8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding describes two ways of assigning the default GW MAC address in section 4.1: 1. All the PEs for a given tenant subnet use the same anycast default gateway IP and MAC addresses. On each PE, this default gateway IP and MAC addresses correspond to the IRB interface connecting the BT associated with the tenant's VLAN to the corresponding tenant's IP-VRF. 2. Each PE for a given tenant subnet uses the same anycast default gateway IP address but its own MAC address. It says that option-1 is recommended because of the ease of anycast MAC address provisioning. However, option-2 is not prohibited. I think using a non-anycast default GW MAC address has certain implications on the mobility procedures (section 7) that is not well described in the draft: Section 7.1 says the following: The source NVE upon receiving this MAC/IP Advertisement route, realizes that the MAC has moved to the target NVE. It updates its MAC-VRF and IP-VRF table accordingly with the adjacency information of the target NVE. In the case of the asymmetric IRB, the source NVE also updates its ARP table with the received adjacency information and in the case of the symmetric IRB, the source NVE removes the entry associated with the received (MAC, IP) from its local ARP table. It then withdraws its EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route. * Furthermore, it sends an ARP probe locally to ensure that the MAC is gone. If an ARP response is received, the source NVE updates its ARP entry for that (IP, MAC) and re-advertises an EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route for that (IP, MAC) along with MAC Mobility Extended Community with the sequence number incremented by one.* The source NVE also exercises the MAC duplication detection procedure in section 15.1 of [RFC7432]. Now, if the source NVE uses a non-anycast default GW MAC address, then it will receive an ARP response for its ARP probe since the ARP response will be sent back to the non-anycast MAC address. This may cause the source NVE to think that the TS has moved back, resulting in re-advertisement of the EVPN MAC/IP route for that (IP, MAC) along with the MAC mobility EC with the seq. number incremented by one. To avoid this problem, source NVE needs to understand that the ARP response was received over the MPLS/IP core instead of over the access-facing IRB interface and discard it. In section 7.2 the draft says the following: o The target NVE passes the ARP request to its locally attached TSes and *when it receives the ARP response*, it updates its IP-VRF and ARP table with the host (MAC, IP) information. It also sends an EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route with both the MAC and IP addresses filled in along with MAC Mobility Extended Community with the sequence number set to the same value as the one for MAC-only advertisement route it sent previously. In the above, the ARP request is originated by the source NVE. Hence, if the source NVE uses a non-anycast default gateway MAC address, then the ARP response will be sent back to the source NVE, instead of being locally consumed by the target NVE and causing it to perform the procedures described above. In section 7.3, the draft says the following: The target NVE passes the ARP request to its locally attached TSes and *when it receives the ARP response*, it updates its MAC-VRF, IP- VRF, and ARP table with the host (MAC, IP) and local adjacency information (e.g., local interface). It also sends an EVPN MAC/IP advertisement route with both the MAC and IP address fields filled in along with MAC Mobility Extended Community with the sequence number incremented by one. The problem here is the same if the source NVE uses a non-anycast default GW MAC address.. Should there be a better description in the draft on the implications of using non-anycast default GW MAC address? Are there IRB deployments using non-anycast default GW MAC address for hosts/servers (other than the one used only for OAM)? Regards, Muthu --0000000000003092ce05c1069aa8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwa= rding describes two ways of assigning the default GW MAC address in section= =C2=A04.1:

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=C2=A0 =C2=A01.=C2=A0 All the PEs for a given= tenant subnet use the same anycast
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0default g= ateway IP and MAC addresses.=C2=A0 On each PE, this default
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gateway IP and MAC addresses correspond to the IRB interfa= ce
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0connecting the BT associated with the tena= nt's VLAN to the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0corresponding tenant'= ;s IP-VRF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A02.=C2=A0 Each PE for a given tenant subnet u= ses the same anycast default
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gateway IP addre= ss but its own MAC address.=C2=A0=C2=A0
</sn= ip>

It says that op= tion-1 is recommended because of the ease of anycast MAC address provisioni= ng. However, option-2 is not prohibited. I think using a non-anycast defaul= t GW MAC address has certain implications on the mobility procedures (secti= on 7) that is not well described in the draft:

=
Section 7.1 says the following:
<snip>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The source NVE upon= receiving this MAC/IP Advertisement route,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0realizes that t= he MAC has moved to the target NVE.=C2=A0 It updates its
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MA= C-VRF and IP-VRF table accordingly with the adjacency information
=C2=A0= =C2=A0of the target NVE.=C2=A0 In the case of the asymmetric IRB, the sour= ce NVE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0also updates its ARP table with the received adjacen= cy information
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and in the case of the symmetric IRB, the so= urce NVE removes the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0entry associated with the received (MA= C, IP) from its local ARP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0table.=C2=A0 It then withdraws it= s EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement route.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Furthermore, it sends= an ARP probe locally to ensure that the MAC is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0gone.=C2=A0= If an ARP response is received, the source NVE updates its ARP
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0entry for that (IP, MAC) and re-advertises an EVPN MAC/IP
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Advertisement route for that (IP, MAC) along with MAC Mobility
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Extended Community with the sequence number incremented by one. =C2=A0The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0source NVE also exercises the MAC duplication = detection procedure in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0section 15.1 of [RFC7432].
=
</snip>

Now, if the source NVE uses a non-anycast default GW MAC address= , then it will receive an ARP response for its ARP probe since the ARP resp= onse will be sent back to the non-anycast MAC address. This may cause the s= ource NVE to think that the TS has moved back, resulting in re-advertisemen= t of the EVPN MAC/IP route for that (IP, MAC) along with the MAC mobility E= C with the seq. number incremented by one.

To avoid this problem, source NVE needs to understand = that the ARP response was received over the MPLS/IP core instead of over th= e access-facing IRB interface and discard it.

<= /div>
In section 7.2 the draft says the following:
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2= =A0The target NVE passes the ARP request to its locally attached TSes
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and when it receives the ARP response, it updat= es its IP-VRF and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ARP table with the host (MAC, IP)= information.=C2=A0 It also sends an
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 EVPN MAC/IP Ad= vertisement route with both the MAC and IP addresses
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 filled in along with MAC Mobility Extended Community with the
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sequence number set to the same value as the one for MAC-onl= y
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 advertisement route it sent previously.
=
</snip>

In the above, the ARP request is originated by the source NVE. H= ence, if the source NVE uses a non-anycast default gateway MAC address, the= n the ARP response will be sent back to the source NVE, instead of being lo= cally consumed by the target NVE and causing it to perform the procedures d= escribed above.

In sec= tion 7.3, the draft says the following:
<snip>= ;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The target NVE passes the ARP reques= t to its locally attached TSes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and when it receives the = ARP response, it updates its MAC-VRF, IP-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0VRF, and ARP = table with the host (MAC, IP) and local adjacency
=C2=A0 =C2=A0informati= on (e.g., local interface).=C2=A0 It also sends an EVPN MAC/IP
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0advertisement route with both the MAC and IP address fields filled in=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0along with MAC Mobility Extended Community with the sequen= ce number
=C2=A0 =C2=A0incremented by one.
&= lt;/snip>

The probl= em here is the same if the source NVE uses a non-anycast default GW MAC add= ress..

Should there be= a better description in the draft on the implications of using non-anycast= default GW MAC address?

Are there IRB deployments using non-anycast default GW MAC address for h= osts/servers (other than the one used only for OAM)?

Regards,
Muthu
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--0000000000003092ce05c1069aa8-- From nobody Wed Apr 28 07:27:19 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0BE3A0CC1; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 07:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aMwlOKz135tb; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CCD33A0CBE; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fraeml742-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.200]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4FVgk35Tv0z6wj35; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:19:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from dggeml758-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.159) by fraeml742-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.2176.2; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:27:09 +0200 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) by dggeml758-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.159) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2176.2; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:27:07 +0800 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) with mapi id 15.01.2176.012; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:27:07 +0800 From: "Hejia (Jia)" To: "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation.all@ietf.org" CC: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-05.txt Thread-Index: Adc8OlogE3DE/t4QQaCdEp0IpEgzdQ== Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:27:07 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.69.147.139] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_b86859fa3c514e7caef4cdd1889f67afhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [bess] RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-05.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:27:17 -0000 --_000_b86859fa3c514e7caef4cdd1889f67afhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have been selected to do a routing directorate "early" review of this dra= ft. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperatio= n/ The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair, perf= orm an "early" review of a draft before it is submitted for publication to = the IESG. The early review can be performed at any time during the draft's = lifetime as a working group document. The purpose of the early review depen= ds on the stage that the document has reached. As this document is in working group last call, my focus for the review was= to determine whether the document is ready to be published. Please conside= r my comments along with the other working group last call comments For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ?http://trac= .tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Document draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-05.txt Reviewer: Jia He Review Date: 28 April 2021 Intended Status: Standards Track Summary The document clearly describes the problem and specifies the MVPN/MSDP SA i= nteroperation procedures. IMHO, this documents is ready to proceed to the I= ESG. Comments I did the rtgdir early review of this draft at version-00 and the comments = raised at that time are already captured. No further comments. B.R. Jia --_000_b86859fa3c514e7caef4cdd1889f67afhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

I have been selected t= o do a routing directorate “early” review of this draft.

https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation/

 

The routing directorat= e will, on request from the working group chair, perform an “early= 221; review of a draft before it is submitted for publication to the IESG. The early review can be performed at any time during the draf= t’s lifetime as a working group document. The purpose of the early re= view depends on the stage that the document has reached.

 

As this document is in= working group last call, my focus for the review was to determine whether = the document is ready to be published. Please consider my comments along with the other working group last call comments

 

For more information a= bout the Routing Directorate, please see ?http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/r= tg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

 

Document draft-ietf-be= ss-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation-05.txt

Reviewer: Jia He

Review Date: 28 April = 2021

Intended Status: Stand= ards Track

 

Summary

 

The document clearly d= escribes the problem and specifies the MVPN/MSDP SA interoperation procedur= es. IMHO, this documents is ready to proceed to the IESG.

 

Comments

 

I did the rtgdir early= review of this draft at version-00 and the comments raised at that time ar= e already captured. No further comments.

 

B.R.=

Jia<= /p>



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I will upload. Kind Regards Gyan On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:45 AM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) < matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote: > This poll for adoption is now concluded and there is clear consensus to > adopt this draft as a BESS working group document. > > > > Please upload the next version of the draft as > draft-ietf-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-00. > > > > Regards > > > > Matthew > > > > > > *From: *"Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" > *Date: *Tuesday, 13 April 2021 at 10:36 > *To: *"draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org" < > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, " > bess@ietf.org" > *Subject: *WG Adoption and IPR Poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a two-weeks WG adoption poll for > draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03 [1]. > > > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group > list. > > > > We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to > this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any > relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document will > not progress without answers from all of the authors and contributors. > > > > Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been > disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > This poll for adoption closes on April 27th 2021. > > > > Regards, > > Matthew and Stephane > > > > > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --000000000000d8454505c10a261b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you Matthew.

I will upload. =C2=A0

Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:45 AM = Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <= matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote:

This poll for adopt= ion is now concluded and there is clear consensus to adopt this draft as a = BESS working group document.

=C2=A0

Please upload the n= ext version of the draft as draft-ietf-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6n= h-00.

=C2=A0

Regards

=C2=A0

Matthew

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.c= om>
Date: Tuesday, 13 April 2021 at 10:36
To: "draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-i= pv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org" <draft-mishra-be= ss-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: WG Adoption and IPR Poll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-g= uide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03

=C2=A0

Hello,

=C2=A0

This email begins a two-weeks WG= =C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishra-bess= -deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and post= any comments to the BESS working group list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for kno= wledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that= IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4= 879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author o= r a contributor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate= whether or not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the = BESS mailing list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of the authors and contributor= s.

=C2=A0

Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

=C2=A0

If you are not listed as an auth= or or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware o= f any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

=C2=A0

This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0close= s on April 27th 2021.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[1]=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guid= e-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh/

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byAgICAgICAgRXhwaXJlcyBPY3RvYmVyIDMwLCAyMDIxICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIFtQYWdlIDdd Cg== --_003_MN2PR05MB598136D4D803FDCA69E8597BD4409MN2PR05MB5981namp_-- From nobody Wed Apr 28 22:46:29 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2BA3A3106; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:46:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Gyan Mishra via Datatracker To: Cc: bess@ietf.org, draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161967518819.13605.6722172787091620121@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Gyan Mishra Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:46:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 05:46:28 -0000 Reviewer: Gyan Mishra Review result: Not Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-?? Reviewer: Gyan Mishra Review Date: 2021-04-28 IETF LC End Date: 2021-04-29 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: This document defines a mechanism using the BGP Tunnel Encapsulation attribute to allow each gateway router to advertise the routes to the prefixes in the Segment Routing domains to which it provides access, and also to advertise on behalf of each other gateway to the same Segment Routing domain. This draft needs to provide some more clarity as far as the use case and where this would as well as how it would be used and implemented. From reading the specification it appears there are some technical gaps that exist. There are some major issues with this draft. I don’t think this draft is ready yet. Major issues: Abstract comments: It is mentioned that the use of Segment Routing within the Data Center. Is that a requirement for this specification to work as this is mentioned throughout the draft? Technically I would think the concept of the discovery of the gateways is feasible without the requirement of SR within the Data Center. The concept of load balancing is a bigger issue brought up in this draft as the problem statement and what this draft is trying to solve which I will address in the introduction comments. Introduction comments: In the introduction the use case is expanded much further to any functional edge AS verbiage below. OLD “SR may also be operated in other domains, such as access networks. Those domains also need to be connected across backbone networks through gateways. For illustrative purposes, consider the Ingress and Egress SR Domains shown in Figure 1 as separate ASes. The various ASes that provide connectivity between the Ingress and Egress Domains could each be constructed differently and use different technologies such as IP, MPLS with global table routing native BGP to the edge, MPLS IP VPN, SR-MPLS IP VPN, or SRv6 IP VPN” This paragraph expands the use case to any ingress or egress stub domain Data Center, Access or any. If that is the case should the draft name change to maybe a “stub edge domain services discovery”. As this draft can be used for any I would not preclude any use case and make the GW discovery open to be used for any service GW edge function and change the draft name to something more appropriate. This paragraph also states for illustrative purposes which is fine but then it expands the overlay/underlay use cases. I believe this use case can only be used for any technology that has an overlay/underlay which would preclude any use case with just an underlay global table routing such as what is mentioned “IP, MPLS with global table routing native BGP to the edge. The IP or global table routing would be an issue as this specification requires setting a RT and an export/import RT policy for the discover of routes advertised by the GWs. As I don’t think this solution from what I can tell would work technically for global table routing I will update the above paragraph to preclude global table routing. We can add back in we can figure that out but I don’t think any public or private operator would change from global table carrying all BGP prefixes in the underlay now drastic change to VPN overlay pushing all the any-any prefixes into the overlay as that would be a prerequisite to be able to use this draft. >From this point forward I am going to assume we are using VPN overlay technology such as SR or MPLS. NEW “SR may also be operated in other domains, such as access networks. Those domains also need to be connected across backbone networks through gateways. For illustrative purposes, consider the Ingress and Egress SR Domains shown in Figure 1 as separate ASes. The various ASs that provide connectivity between the Ingress and Egress Domains could be two as shown in Figure-1 or could be many more as exists with the public internet use case, and each may be constructed differently and use different technologies such as MPLS IP VPN, SR-MPLS IP VPN, or SRv6 IP VPN” with a “BGP Free” Core. This may work without “BGP Free” core but I think to simplify the design complexity I think constraining to “BGP Free” core transport layer. SR-TE path steering as well gets much more complicated if all P routers are running BGP as well. I think in this example we can even explicitly say this example shows the public internet as that would be one of the primary use cases. This paragraph is confusing to the reader As a precursor to this paragraph I think it maybe a good idea to state that we are talking global table IP only routing or VPN overlay technology with SR/MPLS underlay transport. That will make this section much easier to understand. Figure 1 drawing you should give a AS number to both the ingress domain and egress domain so the reader does not have to make assumptions if it iBGP or eBGP connected to the egress or ingress domain and state eBGP in the text below. Lets also call the intermediate ASNs in the middle as depicted in the diagram could be 2 as shown illustratively but could be many operator domains such as in the case of traversing the public internet. In the drawing I would replace ASBR for PE as per this solution as I am stating it has to be a VPN overlay paradigm and not global routing. Also in the VPN overlay scenario when you are doing any type of inter-as peering the inter-AS peering is almost always between PE’s and not a separate dedicated device serving a special “ASBR-ASBR” function as the PE is acting as the border node providing the “ASBR” type function. So in the re-write I am assuming the drawing has been updated changing ASBR to PE. Lets give each node a number so that we can be clear in the text exactly what node we are referring to. In the drawing please update that GW1 peers to PE1 and GW2 peers to PE2 and GW3 peers to PE3. GW3 also peers to GW4 and GW2 peers to GW5 which GW4 and GW5 are part of AS3. In the AS1-AS2 peering top peer would be PE6 peers to PE8 and bottom peer PE7 peers to PE9. So PE6 and PE7 are in AS1 and PE8 and PE9 are in AS2. I made the bottom to ASBRs in AS3 for the selective deterministic load balancing now calling them GW4 and GW5 used later in the problem statement. One major problem with this problem statement description is that it is incorrect as far as GW load balancing that it does not work today in the topology given in Figure-1. The function of edge GW load balancing is based on the iBGP path tie breaker lowest common denominator in the BGP path selection which is lowest IGP underlay metric and as long as the metric is equal and you have iBGP multipath enabled you now can load balance to egress PE1 and PE2 endpoints. So in this case flows coming from AS1 into AS2 hit a P intermediate router which has iBGP multipath enabled and has lets say equal cost for route to the next hop attribute assuming next-hop-self is set so the cost to loopback0 on PE1 and cost to loopback0 on PE2 is lets say 10, so now you have a BGP multipath. What is required though is the RD has to be unique in a “BGP Free” core RR environment where all PE’s route-reflector-clients peer to the RR and for all the paths that are advertised to the RR to be reflected to all the egress PE edges the RD must be unique for the RR to reflect all paths. BGP add-paths is only used if you have Primary and Backup routing setup where PE1-GW1 has a 0x prepend and PE2-GW2 has 1x prepend so now with BGP add-paths along with BGP PIC Edge you now have a edge pre-programmed backup path. So the add-paths is not necessarily something that helps for load balancing and is in fact orthogonal to load balancing as it for Primary / Backup routing and not Active/Active load balancing routing where load balancing with VPN overlay is simply achieved with unique RD per PE and iBGP multipath and equal cost paths to the underlay recursive IGP learned next-hop-attribute in this case the PE loopback 0 per the next hop rewrite via “next-hop-sellf” done on the PE-RR peering in a standard VPN overlay topology. As far as load balancing being accomplished in the underlay what I have stated is independent of SR-TE however with SR-TE candidate path the load balancing ECMP spray to egress PE egress GW AS can also happen as well with prefix-sid. OLD Suppose that there are two gateways, GW1 and GW2 as shown in Figure 1, for a given egress SR domain and that they each advertise a route to prefix X which is located within the egress SR domain with each setting itself as next hop. One might think that the GWs for X could be inferred from the routes' next hop fields, but typically it is not the case that both routes get distributed across the backbone: rather only the best route, as selected by BGP, is distributed. This precludes load balancing flows across both GWs. I am rewriting the text in the NEW as there is some discrepancy in the routes being distributed across the backbone and what gets distributed. So I am completely re-writing to make it more clear what we are trying to state here as the text appears technically to be incorrect. To help state the flow will use the BGP route flow to help depict the routing and try to get to the problem statement we are trying to portray. NEW Suppose that there are two gateways, GW1 and GW2 as shown in Figure 1, for a given egress SR domain and each gateway advertises via EBGP a VPN prefix X to AS2 core domain via EBGP with underlay next hop set to GW1 or GW2. In this case we are Active / Active load balancing with PE1 and PE2 receives the VPN prefix and advertised the VPN prefix X into the domain with next-hop-self set on the PE-RR peering to the PE’s loopback0. The P routers within the domain have ECMP path with IGP metric tie to the egress PE1 and egress PE2 for VPN Prefix X learned from GW1 and GW2. SR-TE path can now be stitched from GW3 to PE3 SR-TE Segment-1 to PE3 to PE6 and PE7 Segment-2 to PE8 and PE9 to Egress Domain via PE1 and PE2 to GW1 and GW2. In this case however we don’t want the traffic to be steered via SR-TE Load balanced via ingress GW3 and want to take GW3 out of rotation and load balance traffic to GW4 and GW5 instead. **Text above provides the updated selective deterministic gateway steering described below to achieve the goal. I think that may have been the intent of the authors and I am just making it more clear** As for problem statement as GW load balancing can occur in the underlay as stated easily that is not the problem. In my mind I am thinking the problem statement that we want to describe in both the Abstract and Introduction is not vanilla simple gateway load balancing but rather a predictable deterministic method of selecting gateways to be used that is each VPN prefix now has a descriptor attached - tunnel encapsulation attribute which contains multiple TLVs one or more for each “selected gateway” with each tunnel TLV contains an egress tunnel endpoint sub-tlv that identifies the gateway for the tunnel. Maybe we can have in the sub-tlv a priority field for pecking order preference of which GWs are pushed up into the GW hash selected for the SR-ERO path to be stitched end to end. So lets say you had 10 GWs and you break them up into 2 tiers or multi tiers and have maybe gateway 1-5 are primary and 6-10 are backup and that could be do to various reasons so you can basically pick and choose based on priority which GW that gets added to the GW hash. I have some feedback and comments on the solution and how best to write the verbiage to make it more clear to the reader. I think in the solution as far s the RT to attach for the GW auto discovery. So with this new RT we are essentially creating a new VPN RIB that has prefixes from all the selected gateways that are discovered from the tunnel encapsulation attribute TLV. In the text here what is really confusing is if the tunnel encapsulation attribute is being attached to the underlay recursive route to next hop attribute or the VPN overlay prefix. So the reason I am thinking it is being attached to the VPN overlay prefix and not the underlay next hop attribute is how would you now create another transport RIB and if you are creating a new transport RIB there is already a draft defined by Kaliraj Vairavakkalai or BGP-LU SAFI 4 labeled unicast that exits today to advertise next hops between domains for an end to end LSP load balanced path. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-07 IANA code point below 76 Classful-Transport SAFI [draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-00] Also in line with CT another option is BGP-LU SAFI 4 to import the loopbacks between domains which is the next hop attribute to be advertised into the core end to end LSP. So the BGP-LU SAFI RIB could be used for the next GW next hop advertisement between domains so that there is visibility of all the egress PE loopback0 between domains. So you can either stitch the LSP segmented LSP like inter-as option-b SR-TE stitched and use nex-hop self PE-RR next-hop rewrite on each of the PEs within the internet domain or you could import all the PE loopback from all ingress and egress domains into the internet domain similar to inter-as opt-c create end to end LSP instantiate an end to end SR-TE path. Maybe you could attach the RT tunnel encapsulation attribute tunnel tlv endpoint tlv to the VPN overlay prefix. Not sure how that would be beneficial the underlay steers the VPN overlay. So maybe you could couple the VPN overlay new GW RIB RT to the transport Underlay CT CLAS RIB or BGP-LU RIB coupling may have some benefit but that would have to be investigated but I think is out of scope of the goals of this draft. I think we first have to figure out the goal and purpose of this draft by the authors and how the GW discovery should work in light of the CT class CT RIB AFI/SAFI codepoint draft that exists today as well as the BGP-LU option for next hop advertisement within the internet domain. Section 3 comments “Each GW is configured with an identifier for the SR domain. That identifier is common across all GWs to the domain (i.e., the same identifier is used by all GWs to the same SR domain), and unique across all SR domains that are connected (i.e., across all GWs to all SR domains that are interconnected). **No issues with the above** A route target ([RFC4360]) is attached to each GW's auto-discovery route and has its value set to the SR domain identifier. **So here if the RT is attached to the GW auto-discovery route we need to state is that the underlay route and that the PE does a next-hop-self rewrite of the eBGP link to the BGP egress domain next hop to the loopback0 so the GW next hop that we are tracking of all the ingress and egress PE domains is the egress and ingress PE loopback0.** Each GW constructs an import filtering rule to import any route that carries a route target with the same SR domain identifier that the GW itself uses. This means that only these GWs will import those routes, and that all GWs to the same SR domain will import each other's routes and will learn (auto-discover) the current set of active GWs for the SR domain.” **So if this is the case and we are tracking the underlay RIB and attach a route target to all the ingress PE & P next hops which is loopback0 = this is literally identical to BGP-LU importing all the loopbacks between domains or using CT class** There is no need for this feature to use the tunnel encapsulation attribute. I am not following why you would not use BGP-LU or CT clas RIB.** “To avoid the side effect of applying the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute to any packet that is addressed to the GW itself, the GW SHOULD use a different loopback address for packets intended for it.” **I don’t understand this statement as the next hop is the ingress and egress PE loopback0 that is the next hop being tracked for the gateway load balancing. The GW device subnet between the GW and PE is not advertised into the internet domain as we do next-hop-self on the PE PE-RR iBGP peering and so the GW to PE subnet is not advertised.** Looking at it a second time I think we are thinking here BGP-LU inter-as opt c style import of loops between domains and so instead of importing the loop0 which carries all packets on the GW device use a different loopback GW1 so it does not carry the FEC of all BAU packets similar concept utilized in RSVP-TE to VPN mapping "per-vrf TE" concept. “As described in Section 1, each GW will include a Tunnel Encapsulation attribute with the GW encapsulation information for each of the SR domain's active GWs (including itself) in every route advertised externally to that SR domain. As the current set of active GWs changes (due to the addition of a new GW or the failure/ removal of an existing GW) each externally advertised route will be re-advertised with a new Tunnel Encapsulation attribute which reflects current set of active GWs.” **What is the route being advertised externally from the GW. So the routes advertised would be all the PE loopback would be advertised from both ingress and egress domains into the internet domain and all loopback from the internet domain into the ingress and egress domain which could be done via BGP-LU or CT RIB – no need do reinvent the wheel and create a new RIB. So BGP-LU or CT RIB track the current set of active next hop GWs loopbacks between domains**If you do SR-TE stitching then you can do the next-hop self on each PE PE-RR for the load balancing and that would work and the load balancing would be to the PE loopbacks or if its an end to end SR-TE path using BGP-LU or CT RIB via importing all the PE loopbacks between domains the current set of active GWs would be tracked via the BGP-LU or CT RIB. So if the active GWs change due to GW failures they would be withdrawn from the BGP-LU or CT underlay RIB. No need now for the tunnel encapsulation attribute at least for the GW auto discovery load balancing** I think it still maybe possible to retrofit this draft to utilize the CT RIB or BGP-LU for the GW load balancing so nothing new has to be designed as far as the underlay goes, however maybe the idea of providing some visibility into the VPN overlay route to the underlay – maybe their maybe some benefit of using the tunnel encapsulation attribute RT import policy to attach to the VPN overlay prefixes. As CT draft provides a complete solution of providing the VPN overlay per VPN or per prefix underpinning of the VPN overlay to underlay CT RIB the problem statement is completely solved with either the CT draft or BGP-LU. Minor issues: None Nits/editorial comments: Please add normative and informative references below. I would reference as normative and maybe even informative the CT Class draft which creates a new transport class and I think this draft can really work well in conjunction with use of the CT class to couple the GW RIB created to the CT class transport RIB and provide the end to end inter-AS stitching via the PCE CC controller. I am one of the co-authors of this draft and I think this draft could be coupled with this GW draft to provide the overall goals of selective GW load balancing. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-07 I would also reference this draft for CT class PCEP coloring extension. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rajagopalan-pcep-rsvp-color-00 As this solution would utilize a centralized controller PCE CC for inter as path instantiation for the GW load balancing, I think it would be a good idea to reference the PCE CC, H-PCE and Inter-AS PCE and PCE SR extension as informative and maybe even normative reference. 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I have been selected to = do a routing directorate =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D review of this = draft.

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Document: draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10.txt
Reviewer: Ravi = Singh
Review Date: = 04/30/2021
Intended Status: = Standards Track

Summary:
  • No issues = found. This documents is ready to proceed to the IESG.

Regards
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:50 PM Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn> wrote:<= br>

Yes=EF=BC=8CSupport its adoption.

I think this draft gives the operator confidences = to deploy pure IPv6 transport network in coming days.<= /p>

=C2=A0

=

Some comments for the drafts are b= elow:

1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <= /span>Should the test scenarios, tes= t items and test results be described in more detail in the body of this dr= aft?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gya= n> Yes this will be moved from Appendix to section 3 interoperability te= sting in the next revision

2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think such guidelines can also be= used within the operator=E2=80=99s network domain(PE-RR, or PE-PE), not on= ly the emphasized PE-CE edge.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gyan> From the= feedback and test use cases as the PE-CE IPv6 only peering applies to all = IPv6-only =C2=A0IP / MPLS / SR core scenarios and is an integral part of th= e testing.=C2=A0 So I will add PE-RR or PE-PE (No RR) IPv6-only peering wit= h SAFI stacking as well to section 3.=C2=A0 I will expand the BCP to cover = IPv6 only core software mesh framework RFC 5565 and reasons why the =E2=80= =9CBGP free=E2=80=9D P core is not recommended to be dual stacked and shoul= d be IPv6-Only and in that section will add the control plane IPv6-Only PE-= RR peering.=C2=A0 From some of the feedback we will test both per prefix VP= N and Per CE next hop label allocation modes.=C2=A0 Also many more permutat= ions.

3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I= s it necessary for the section 4?=C2=A0 I think changing that content to de= scribe some guidelines for how to using the RFC 8950 may be more beneficial= ?

=C2=A0Gyan> Agreed. I can add some pertinent verbiage= that relates to the testing.

S= ome Nits:

1.= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Section 8 =C2=A0Securi= ty Considerations:

=E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this document allow BGP to propa= gate reachability information about IPv6 routes over an MPLS IPv4 core netw= ork.=E2=80=9D

Should it be:

=E2=80=9CThe extensions defined in this document allow BGP to propa= gate reachability information about IPv4 routes over an IPv6 core network.= =E2=80=9D

=C2=A0Gyan> Typo.=C2=A0 Good catch!

2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Section 6 =E2=80=9COperational Consideration=E2=80=9D = =C2=A0said =E2=80=9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 peer now exists under the IPv6 addre= ss family configuration.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0

Should it be =E2=80=9CBoth IPv4 and IPv6 = prefixes reachable information now exists under the IPv6 address family con= figuration.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0Gyan> Yes will fix. = The IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI is now under the IPv6 address family.

3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A.1 Router and Switch Vendors Support and Quality Assurance:=

GUI----=E3=80=8BGUA=C2=A0=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Gyan> Will fix typo

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best Regard= s

=C2=A0

Aijun Wang

China Telecom=

=C2=A0

From: bess-bounces@ietf.org <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf O= f Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5= :37 PM
To: draft-mishra-bess-deployment-gui= de-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org; bess@ietf.org
Subject: [bess] WG Adoption and IPR Po= ll for draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03<= /span>

<= span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0

Hell= o,

=C2=A0

This email begins= a two-weeks WG=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh-03=C2=A0[1].

=C2= =A0<= /p>

Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working gr= oup list.

=C2=A0

We are also=C2=A0polling for knowledge of any undisc= losed IPR that applies to this document, to ensure that IPR has been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details).<= u>

=C2=A0

If you are listed as an author or a contri= butor of this document, please respond to this email and indicate whether o= r not you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS maili= ng list. The document will not =C2=A0progress without answers from all of t= he authors and contributors.

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= Currently, there are no IPR disc= losures against this document.

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If you are not listed as an a= uthor or a contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are awar= e of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules= .

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This=C2=A0poll=C2=A0for=C2=A0adoption=C2=A0closes on April 27th= 2021.

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Regards,

Matthew and Stephane

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On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:59 PM Kaliraj V= airavakkalai <kaliraj@juniper.net= > wrote:

Thanks Gyan,

=C2=A0

Just a minor clarification:

=C2=A0

I am less concerned about control-plane, that may ju= st work.

=C2=A0

My comment about platform-dependency was about wheth= er the Pop-n-Forward forwarding will work for the MPLS label. E.g. if same = label is used for both v4,v6 routes, then in forwarding plane, the box may = need to peak into the mpls payload traffic, to determine whether it needs to send a v4 or v6 pkt towards the = CE. Whether the platform supports such forwarding ability is the question.<= u>

=C2=A0

Thanks

Kaliraj

From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com= >
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:33 PM
To: Kaliraj Vairavakkalai <kaliraj@juniper.net>
Cc: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>, bess@ietf.org <bess@ietf.org>, draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.org <<= a href=3D"mailto:draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@ietf.or= g" target=3D"_blank">draft-mishra-bess-deployment-guide-ipv4nlri-ipv6nh@iet= f.org>
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Hi Kaliraj=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thank you for your comments.

=C2=A0

Responses in-line

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Many=C2=A0thanks

=C2=A0

Gyan

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On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Kaliraj Vairavakkala= i <kaliraj=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

I support adoption of this draft.

=C2=A0

I have a couple of comments:

=C2=A0

In section 6, =E2=80=9CChanges resulting from a single IPv6=
 transport peer carrying IPv4 NLRI and IPv6 NLRI below:=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

It may be worth noting that this model may have some change to feature that= use Pop-n-Forward MPLS-label forwarding.

=C2=A0

There may be some platform specific nuances.=C2=A0 Pop-n-Forward is used by= features like EPE and L3VPN (per-nexthop label). EPE is an IPv4/v6-Unicast= feature, so it may be in-scope even if we consider L3VPN currently out of = scope.

Gyan> From the edge perspective PE-CE edge peering is in scope for any s= oftwire mesh framework where IPv4 edge is transported over an IPv6-Only cor= e which could =C2=A0be an IP, MPLS, SR. =C2=A0 So all the middle core flavo= rs IP, MPLS, SR are in scope for the single IPv6 peer PE-CE edge.=C2=A0 We also have to take into account L3 VPN per CE agg= regate label as now that would be both IPv4 and IPv6 versus per prefix =C2= =A0label.

Today, v4 routes and v6 routes get a different EPE-label/VPN-label, because= of different v4/v6 EBGP peering.

=C2=A0Gyan> =C2=A0Agreed with the separate edge PE-CE IPv4 and IPv6 peer= s, IPv4 prefixes have VPN label =C2=A0PE-RR and are carried in AFI/SAFI 1/2= 8 and IPv6 edge prefixes VPN label PE-RR are carried in AFI/SAFI 2/128.<= /u>

With single IPv6-transport, v4 and v6 routes may allocate the same MPLS-lab= el, as it is the same v6-nexthop. So whether a platform supports such MPLS-= in-IP[v4/v6] forwarding for both v4 and v6 traffic when using a single next= hop is a question..

=C2=A0Gyan> =C2=A0Agreed.=C2=A0 With a single IPv6 edge PE-CE peer for b= oth IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI , IPv4 and IPv6 edge prefixes may have the same =C2= =A0VPN label =C2=A0PE-RR using AFI/SAFI 2/128 for both IPv4 and IPv6 prefix= es.=C2=A0 So the platform specific question is if both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1 - can they both be carried by the same VPN label= PE-RR peer AFI/SAFI 2/128.=C2=A0 So the PE-RR VPN-IPv4 that was carrying I= Pv4 NLRI would not be needed as IPv4 NLRI would be carried by AFI/SAFI 2/12= 8.

So this will be in scope as part of the interoperability testing to ensure = that by combining the IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI at the edge over IPv6 transport th= e caveat is that in a VPN overlay =C2=A0PE-RR VPN label VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2= /128 will now have to carry both IPv4 and IPv6 NLRI. =C2=A0

We would also QA test if it=E2=80=99s possible to keep the VPN label separa= te for v4 and v6 if possible, so even though the edge is a single IPv6 peer= to have separate VPN label and peer PE-RR as before with IPv4 NLRI using V= PN-IPv4 AFI/SAFI 1/128 and IPv6 NLRI using VPN-IPv6 AFI/SAFI 2/128.

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I w= ill expand on this in the section 3.

I wonder if the test-cases could be broken down into= more granular pieces:

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (single-hop EBGP= ). =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop EBGP)= . =C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 V4 route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop IBGP,= tunneled)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS route with V6 nexthop (single-hop aw= ay)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 MPLS route with V6 nexthop (multi-hop awa= y)

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Where the MPLS payload can = be either v4 or v6.

=C2=A0Gyan> Agreed.=C2=A0 I will add all the perm= utations of scenarios to section 3.

Different platforms of the same vendor may have diff= erent capabilities. So draft may need to record as part of test-results, wh= ich specific platforms were tested.

=C2=A0Gyan> Agreed.=C2=A0 We will record platform= and code revisions tested.

Thanks

Kaliraj

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