From wwwrun@ietfa.amsl.com Tue Nov 1 09:48:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietf.org Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 792101F0C44; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:48:33 -0700 (PDT) From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20111101164833.792101F0C44@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bfcpbis@ietf.org, keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com, eckelcu@cisco.com Subject: [bfcpbis] WG Action: Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis (bfcpbis) X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 16:48:33 -0000 A new IETF working group has been formed in the Real-Time Applications and Infrastructure Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis (bfcpbis) --------------------------------------------------- Current Status: Active Working Group Chairs: Keith Drage Charles Eckel Real-Time Applications and Infrastructure Area Directors: Gonzalo Camarillo Robert Sparks Real-Time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor: Gonzalo Camarillo Mailing Lists: General Discussion: bfcpbis@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/bfcpbis/ Description of Working Group: The BFCPBIS working group is chartered to specify a revision of BFCP (RFC 4582) to support using both TCP and UDP as transports. The current version of BFCP only supports TCP, which when both endpoints are behind NATs or firewalls, has a lower success rate than using the ICE techniques with a UDP based transport for BFCP. The need for video endpoints to work in these types of environments is driving a strong need to support a UDP based transport as well as TCP. This WG will create a revision of RFC 4582 which adds optional support for UDP to BFCP. The security when using UDP will be based on DTLS. The updated protocol will use an existing approach (e.g., stop and wait with a single outstanding transaction) to provide a reliable, congestion safe, and TCP friendly transport. In addition to providing a way for dealing with the reliable delivery of client-initiated transactions, the updated protocol will also be able to deliver server-initiated transactions reliably when needed. The WG will research the size of messages used and decide if fragmenting a request or response over multiple UDP packets is required. The new protocol will be backwards compatible with RFC 4582 when used in TCP mode. The BFCPBIS WG will coordinate closely with the MMUSIC WG to create a revision of RFC 4583 specifying how BFCP is signaled in SDP so that it supports UDP as well as TCP transports. This WG would ask the MMUSIC WG to add a milestone to create a revisions of RFC 4583 to address signaling the use of UDP in SDP. The WG will coordinate with International Multimedia Telecommunications Consortium (IMTC) and other industry fora. Goals and Milestones: April 2012 Draft revision of RFC 4582 to IESG From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Tue Nov 1 10:12:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE96D1F0C4D for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.154 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.095, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1FPpuiPx1Qpn for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381831F0C48 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id pA1H340v010013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:03:04 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.48]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:03:04 +0100 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:03:03 +0100 Thread-Topic: Charter is posted Thread-Index: AcyYuB49lyEB87D4TkCcwzZPNbGm7Q== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: [bfcpbis] Charter is posted X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:12:20 -0000 (as WG cochair) The charter for the new bfcpbis working group is now posted at: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bfcpbis/charter/=20 Unfortunately you will see an empty list of documents.=20 We have one author draft which will an input to the future discussions, but= it is currently hiding under the dispatch working group heading. It is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp/=20 The door is open for participants who want to contribute different ideas, e= ither by submission of an author i-d when the submission blackout ends, or = by participants who want to post something on the mailing list. Regards Keith From eckelcu@cisco.com Wed Nov 2 09:32:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B377421F9E2F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7um2t6CMdESx for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE6D21F99B3 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:32:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=eckelcu@cisco.com; l=1064; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1320251533; x=1321461133; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:from:to; bh=SYKtEg0YHXRoCictfnDofb+NRp3v2Sz4uZi3LDUpyb0=; b=cPYzAu8492pjhuAi7KfSsvdBVsfqMp61hHtZNkkKqpOdC6GUCDaRLbgo Au/D5tSUBn5UB35HKUkqiNdPzKN6F0f0ddKB84lkBvtmqKEmRroZAUNPI 44czIi9yKyDX6zwzEUxyU/50RFW+YT3IIhfWdaG4Xsp11+MZhWx9kEFMv o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8BANBvsU6rRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABCmXBDjzqBBYF0AQQSAR0KUQEqBhgHVwEEEwganHeBJgGecYgvYQSIB5FHjEs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,444,1315180800"; d="scan'208";a="11910151" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2011 16:32:09 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pA2GW95n011148 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:32:09 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-234.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.111]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:32:09 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:32:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bfcpbis agenda for IETF 82 Thread-Index: AcyZfPciLQpyv1SOSd2E15XexsvLTA== From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2011 16:32:09.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[F773AF10:01CC997C] Subject: [bfcpbis] bfcpbis agenda for IETF 82 X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:32:13 -0000 (as WG cochair) The agenda for the bfcpbis working group session at IETF 82 is now posted: Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis (bfcpbis) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Chairs: Keith Drage Charles Eckel Agenda IETF 82, Taipei 0900-1130 WEDNESDAY, November 16, 2011. Room: 3F Banquet ----------------------------------------------------------------- 09:00 BFCPBIS Status Update (Chairs, 20) 09:20 Revision of the Binary Floor Control Protocol (Charles, 40) for use over an unreliable transport=20 draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03 10:00 Next Steps (Chairs, 10) 10:10 End =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cheers, Charles From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Nov 3 16:02:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFA411E80CA for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.867 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.867 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.218, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1xJ52l1FqaR for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D10711E80BC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id pA3N2QHq009194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:02:26 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.48]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:02:26 +0100 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:02:24 +0100 Thread-Topic: Taipai meeting agenda change Thread-Index: AcyafKYgPDVKKl44TLO/Q14jD21d4A== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: [bfcpbis] Taipai meeting agenda change X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 23:02:33 -0000 You will notice a slight change to the agenda. WEDNESDAY, November 16, 2011 0900-1130 Morning Session I 102 APP weirds WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registra= tion Data Service BOF 101B INT netext Network-Based Mobility Extensions WG 201 DEF OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG 3F Banquet RAI bfcpbis Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis WG - C= ombined with ECRIT 3F Banquet RAI ecrit Emergency Context Resolution with Intern= et Technologies WG - Combined with BFCPBIS 201 ABC RTG pwe3 Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge WG 101C TSV cdni Content Delivery Networks Interconnectio= n WG 101A TSV tcpm TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions WG What this means is that to avoid conflict with another RAI group we've agre= ed to meet sequentially in the same room with changeover time between the t= wo tending to zero. The plan is BFCPBIS first followed by ECRIT. The bfcpbis agenda uploaded to the meeting material site has been modified = to reflect this. Regards Keith From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Fri Nov 4 03:18:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A88F21F8C15 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 03:18:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.036, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sZ+EgCFEahx7 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 03:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7863821F8C11 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 03:18:41 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7b3eae00000252a-7b-4eb3bc00e578 Received: from esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9D.B8.09514.00CB3BE4; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:18:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.137.0; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:18:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB3BBFD.9010508@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:18:37 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [bfcpbis] Proposal for BFCP extension: Media Stream Selection X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: DISPATCH list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:18:42 -0000 Hi, My Colleagues and I have a proposal for an BFCP extension that enables end-points to perform Media Stream Selection. This is primarily targeted at centralized conferencing where an RTP mixer provides one or more streams based on the selection or mixing process of incoming streams. This extension would enable the end-point to have dynamic control over what media streams are included in the mix or selection by explicitly including, excluding or going back to mixer based selection. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerlund-dispatch-stream-selection/ The goal from our perspective would be to get the work chartered in BFCPbis WG. If you have input on this, please provide comments in the dispatch WG. Note (reply-to set for dispatch) Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Nov 4 03:26:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F5821F8C32 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 03:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.163 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.163 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.086, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k-PttccyiKIq for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 03:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BD621F8C17 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 03:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id pA4APs2k023395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:26:02 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.48]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:25:41 +0100 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:25:38 +0100 Thread-Topic: [bfcpbis] Proposal for BFCP extension: Media Stream Selection Thread-Index: Acya2ygsS4XFVCMyRk25u9AXcXf9/QAAFL9g Message-ID: References: <4EB3BBFD.9010508@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB3BBFD.9010508@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Proposal for BFCP extension: Media Stream Selection X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:26:06 -0000 (As WG cochair) Just to be absolutely clear on this (I know Magnus is fully aware of this). Until and unless such a change to our charter is proposed and agreed, discu= ssion of this draft should occur on the dispatch list. This list and working group should concentrate on progressing our existing = chartered work. I do however encourage you to discuss it in the appropriate place. Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > Sent: 04 November 2011 10:19 > To: bfcpbis@ietf.org > Subject: [bfcpbis] Proposal for BFCP extension: Media Stream Selection >=20 > Hi, >=20 > My Colleagues and I have a proposal for an BFCP extension=20 > that enables end-points to perform Media Stream Selection.=20 > This is primarily targeted at centralized conferencing where=20 > an RTP mixer provides one or more streams based on the=20 > selection or mixing process of incoming streams. > This extension would enable the end-point to have dynamic=20 > control over what media streams are included in the mix or=20 > selection by explicitly including, excluding or going back to=20 > mixer based selection. >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerlund-dispatch-str > eam-selection/ >=20 > The goal from our perspective would be to get the work=20 > chartered in BFCPbis WG. >=20 > If you have input on this, please provide comments in the dispatch WG. > Note (reply-to set for dispatch) >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Magnus Westerlund >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis > = From eckelcu@cisco.com Thu Nov 10 12:04:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C14E1F0C3B for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:04:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.259 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.259 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.340, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K3fZoCbhntnr for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FA61F0C38 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:04:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=eckelcu@cisco.com; l=1937; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1320955497; x=1322165097; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:from:to; bh=egRMO0tqjzI5uCkXVffhIsFS4Er7RfeNS7Q8DZUEPy8=; b=EF+Jh6K28GBMbQUyiNXfKQ4mInMkapIFtd50ZcGD6DWaGqYJrS9GDgK/ 9dGsnDuDx8LZ3qRI8TFOw2B7wE7REBD2BAgLqdv6VEDOt/d2tO/Lqtphg zVdfJqGv2n+tyY0o/V6QobnstT30AC1ndZFtrqX+FjLMi/fW1ICONJO2q c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtUGAIQtvE6rRDoG/2dsb2JhbABEmnWPN4EFgXQBBBIBHQpRASoGGAdXAQQbGp9ggSYBnl+JG2MEiA+RWoxV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,490,1315180800"; d="scan'208";a="13499579" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2011 20:04:57 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAAK4u7h029114 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:04:56 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-234.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.111]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:04:54 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:04:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: comment on draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03 text on DTLS connection establishment Thread-Index: Acyf5AJaeXSok5sRSQe5iUNKj+EL5w== From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2011 20:04:54.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[031BB890:01CC9FE4] Subject: [bfcpbis] comment on draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03 text on DTLS connection establishment X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:04:57 -0000 There is an inconsistency in draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03 in terms of its recommendations regarding DTLS connection establishment. Section 4.10. Lower-Layer Security (7) currently reads: Which party, the client or the floor control server, acts as the TLS/DTLS server depends on how the underlying TCP/DTLS connection is established. For example, when the TCP/DTLS connection is established using an SDP offer/answer exchange [RFC4583], the answerer (which may be the client or the floor control server) always acts as the TLS/DTLS server. This extends the existing text in RFC 4582 to cover DTLS as well. However, section 5.3. Security Considerations (10) of draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03 reads: Append to the first paragraph, "Furthermore, when using DTLS over UDP, considerations for its use with RTP and RTCP are presented in [RFC5763]. The requirements for the offer/answer exchange, as listed in Section 5 of that document, MUST be followed." This conflicts with what was stated in section 4.10, as the recommendations for DTLS connection establishment in RFC 5763 are not the same as those provided in RFC 4583 for TLS connection establishment. The proposed rewording of the text in section 4.10 of draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03 is as follows: Which party, the client or the floor control server, acts as the TLS/DTLS server depends on how the underlying TLS/DTLS connection is established. For a TCP/TLS connection established using an SDP offer/answer exchange [RFC4583], the answerer (which may be the client or the floor control server) always acts as the TLS server. For a UDP/DTLS connection established using the same exchange, either party can be the DTLS server depending on the setup attributes exchanged, as defined in [RFC5763]. Cheers, Charles From ietf@meetecho.com Tue Nov 15 06:40:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058461F0C5D for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:40:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4St1QD5yNry6 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpw2.aruba.it (smtpipvs3.aruba.it [62.149.128.188]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 569131F0C45 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4902 invoked by uid 89); 15 Nov 2011 14:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aruba.it) (62.149.158.90) by smtpw2.ad.aruba.it with SMTP; 15 Nov 2011 14:40:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:40:03 +0100 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Meetecho IETF support" To: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-XaM3-API-Version: V3(R2) X-SenderIP: 143.225.229.143 X-Spam-Rating: smtpw2.ad.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [bfcpbis] Meetecho support for BFCPBIS WG meeting session X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:40:16 -0000 Hi all,=0A=0Aa virtual room has been reserved on the Meetecho system for = tomorrow's BFCPBIS WG meeting session.=0A=0AAccess to the on-line session= (including audio and video streams) will be available from 9:00am at:=0A= http://www.meetecho.com/ietf82/bfcpbis=0A=0AThe Meetecho session automati= cally logs you into the standard IETF jabber room. So, from there, you ca= n have an integrated experience involving all media and allowing you to i= nteract with the room.=0A=0AA tutorial of interactivity features of the t= ool can be found at:=0Ahttp://www.meetecho.com/ietf82/tutorials=0A=0AFor = further information you can contact us at ietf-support@meetecho.com.=0A=0A= Cheers,=0Athe Meetecho team=0A=C2=A0=0A--=C2=A0=0AMeetecho s.r.l.=0AWeb C= onferencing and Collaboration Tools=0Awww.meetecho.com=0A=C2=A0 From ron.even.tlv@gmail.com Tue Nov 15 17:47:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C820B11E8166 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:47:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PNsfQdncplZ4 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E34811E8165 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by yenq4 with SMTP id q4so5752548yen.31 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:47:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=RmsBWJK7xzpmT9osx+Dn7xc3rGQ3PzUDLq2QTC8s7XU=; b=NOR00+ouLN0zUGrIkZzJC8t9WdhrrbHQgnooV7I82gxSuswMdveRKXmjp9h56+37RT XMRXh/7SSqfxRiPDPp/8ugHAGMMUfAb0ZjeT5XG3bAhR7VHTus7r7wH/kfF0HW2PI+Wl iCRlXi89IzmMzCJD9MBJVFfLghuv3QC6q+Az0= Received: by 10.100.130.11 with SMTP id c11mr8856012and.121.1321408060930; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from windows8d787f9 (dhcp-17b3.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.23.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l18sm50960875anb.22.2011.11.15.17.47.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Roni Even" To: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:45:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4ec3163c.1258640a.3b77.ffffd444@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01CCA412.20B57030" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcykAVp0mOplbyaaTvStNLInUqVYGA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [bfcpbis] fragmenting BFCP over UDP X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 01:47:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CCA412.20B57030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Another option for the fragmentation may be to send BFCP over UDP as an RTP payload. In this case you can fragment and reassemble using the RTP header seq number and flag. This will also solve the issue of multiplexing with STUN Roni ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CCA412.20B57030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Another option = for the fragmentation may be to send BFCP over UDP as an RTP payload. In = this case you can fragment and reassemble using the RTP header seq = number and flag. This will also solve the issue of multiplexing with = STUN

 

Roni

------=_NextPart_000_0082_01CCA412.20B57030-- From eckelcu@cisco.com Fri Nov 18 01:08:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F391E21F85D1 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:08:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3QsixpHZMZUU for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3A321F85CE for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:08:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=eckelcu@cisco.com; l=874; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1321607331; x=1322816931; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:from:to; bh=7kuweZVY+8kjhOBgf6/9t7ymTd9RRVfO6YBWxY/FRXM=; b=j68YvwNf3DUafnXMKWivb0/wYo2usNDsCHOF7I5RIuWTVRWutw7KvyDg g0H9OJ3pF3w+gj4wE8gqMxJVXlRU4hHyymntoxuztyzAwlQIjdTnyFiBH YM0LWzqcFGItBaRyfJQD+1sG7BZfJrPkf9hUvijCetBf8dCYqtOWpazgr M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEGAAQgxk6rRDoI/2dsb2JhbABCqG2BVoEFgXQBBBIBHQpRASoDAxgHUAcBBBsanmOBJgGeTYcCgjJjBIgWkWaMWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,532,1315180800"; d="scan'208";a="14978964" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2011 09:08:50 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAI98o1U003952 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:08:50 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-234.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.111]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:08:50 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:08:48 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: handling of lost and out of order messages Thread-Index: Acyl0a6L5EPtqRRuRry8JsKpuaDKRw== From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2011 09:08:50.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFA66F90:01CCA5D1] Subject: [bfcpbis] handling of lost and out of order messages X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:08:52 -0000 There was a question raised by Hadriel during the WG session concerning the first FloorRequestStatus getting lost. I provided a partial answer to this during the session but took the action item to follow up on the list regarding the details. Here is what is currently in the draft: A server-initiated request (e.g. a FloorStatus with an update from the floor control server) received by a participant before the initial FloorRequestStatus message that closes the client-initiated transaction that was instigated by the FloorRequest MUST be treated as superseding the information conveyed in any delinquent response. As the floor control server cannot send a second update to the implicit floor status subscription until the first is acknowledged, ordinality is maintained. I believe this addresses the concern. Cheers, Charles From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Sat Nov 19 18:42:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02351F0C34 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.175 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.175 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.074, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bEj0p0yJkQhF for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3D621F849D for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id pAK2glsl004620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:42:47 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.48]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:42:47 +0100 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:42:40 +0100 Thread-Topic: Adoption of WG draft in support of bfcpbis charter item Thread-Index: AcynLhKS6F9ULnlSR3KX2IoaRPHBPA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.84 Subject: [bfcpbis] Adoption of WG draft in support of bfcpbis charter item X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 02:42:50 -0000 (As WG cochair) At the bfcpbis meeting in Taipai a hum was taken in support of adopting=20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp/=20 As this draft was resubmitted quite late, it maybe did not give time for pe= ople with alternative thoughts to potentially submit their own ideas. In an= y case the call in the Taipai face to face meeting has to be endorsed on th= e mailing list. We will plan to start that confirmation call on Monday 28th= November (depending on the results of the call below). In the meantime this is a call (and an opportunity) for those people who ha= ve alternative ideas for solving the bfcpbis charter problem to either post= a draft or post to the mailing list, with their alternative ideas. Please = do this by Friday 25th November 2011.=20 If you would like to do this, but feel you will miss this deadline by a few= days, please inform the working group chairs of your intention (bfcpbis-ch= airs@tools.ietf.org), along with the dates you consider you can manage, and= we will adjust the schedule accordingly. This call also applies if you would like to submit alternative material to = just part of the above draft. Regards Keith From ietf@meetecho.com Mon Nov 21 02:45:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E5521F8B91 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.581 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.581 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8M8PTFTzuxPr for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtplq02.aruba.it (smtplq-out17.aruba.it [62.149.158.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D63A521F8B64 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11387 invoked by uid 89); 21 Nov 2011 10:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.aruba.it) (62.149.158.224) by smtplq02.aruba.it with SMTP; 21 Nov 2011 10:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 11996 invoked by uid 89); 21 Nov 2011 10:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?143.225.229.189?) (ietf@meetecho.com@143.225.229.189) by smtp4.ad.aruba.it with SMTP; 21 Nov 2011 10:45:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4ECA2BB2.5080806@meetecho.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:45:06 +0100 From: Meetecho IETF support User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.ad.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: smtplq02.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [bfcpbis] BFCPBIS session recording available X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:45:40 -0000 Dear all, the full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and jabber room) of BFCPBIS session at IETF82 is available. You can watch it by either clicking the proper link on the remote participation page (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/82/remote-participation.html#Meetecho), or by directly accessing the following URL: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf82/recordings For the chair(s): please feel free to put the link to the recording in the minutes, if you think this might be useful. In case of problems with the playout, just drop an e-mail to ietf-support@meetecho.com. Cheers, the Meetecho team -- Meetecho s.r.l. Web Conferencing and Collaboration Tools www.meetecho.com From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Tue Nov 29 07:22:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F12221F8B50 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:22:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.402, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fU8XH4KnxCp2 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BA221F8B2A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id pATFK73c026558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:21:54 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.48]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:21:38 +0100 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:21:37 +0100 Thread-Topic: Consensus call for the adoption of text Thread-Index: AcyuqpYPP2X31zoKQvaAJ7VXyYqGog== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: [bfcpbis] Consensus call for the adoption of text X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:22:00 -0000 (As working group cochair) In support of our milestone Apr 2012 Draft revision of RFC 4582 to IESG it is proposed to adopt: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03.txt as a draft text for a working group document. An indicative call was alread= y supporting of this in the face to face meeting. Please respond if you either support or do not support the adoption of this= text as the basis for the working group draft. Please also respond if you consider there are specific sections that you co= nsider need more work before adoption. We can leave these sections out (or = replace them with a drafting note). A reasonable criteria on which to base your judgement is whether the propos= ed text form a better basis for moving the discussion forward on any partic= ular issues than a blank sheet of paper (or the electronic equivalent). Please respond by Tuesday December 13th 2011. Regards Keith From jonathan@vidyo.com Tue Nov 29 09:27:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2D021F8AF4 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N3JlupDKqMEc for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout.myoutlookonline.com (mxout.myoutlookonline.com [64.95.72.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE2B21F8AED for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout.myoutlookonline.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxout.myoutlookonline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B8D7B6289; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:27:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: by SpamTitan at mail.lan Received: from HUB012.mail.lan (unknown [10.110.2.1]) by mxout.myoutlookonline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3735F7B6227; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from BE235.mail.lan ([10.110.32.235]) by HUB012.mail.lan ([10.110.17.12]) with mapi; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:27:27 -0500 From: Jonathan Lennox To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:27:46 -0500 Thread-Topic: Consensus call for the adoption of text Thread-Index: AcyuqpYPP2X31zoKQvaAJ7VXyYqGogACL2zg Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Consensus call for the adoption of text X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:27:53 -0000 Draft-sandbakken is structured as a patch to RFC 4582. I support adopting = RFC 4582 as patched by draft-sandbakken as the WG item. -----Original Message----- From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) [mailto:keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:22 AM To: bfcpbis@ietf.org Subject: [bfcpbis] Consensus call for the adoption of text (As working group cochair) In support of our milestone Apr 2012 Draft revision of RFC 4582 to IESG it is proposed to adopt: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-sandbakken-dispatch-bfcp-udp-03.txt as a draft text for a working group document. An indicative call was alread= y supporting of this in the face to face meeting. Please respond if you either support or do not support the adoption of this= text as the basis for the working group draft. Please also respond if you consider there are specific sections that you co= nsider need more work before adoption. We can leave these sections out (or = replace them with a drafting note). A reasonable criteria on which to base your judgement is whether the propos= ed text form a better basis for moving the discussion forward on any partic= ular issues than a blank sheet of paper (or the electronic equivalent). Please respond by Tuesday December 13th 2011. Regards Keith _______________________________________________ bfcpbis mailing list bfcpbis@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis