From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 5 12:36:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D1D11E80BB; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LBug-3yKwIR5; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1727B11E80B7; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.00 Message-ID: <20120305203622.30183.68572.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:36:22 -0800 Cc: bfcpbis@ietf.org Subject: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:36:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis Wo= rking Group of the IETF. Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format for Binary Flo= or Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams Author(s) : Tom Kristensen Gonzalo Camarillo Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2012-03-05 This document specifies how to describe Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) streams in Session Description Protocol (SDP) descriptions. User agents using the offer/answer model to establish BFCP streams use this format in their offers and answers. This document obsoletes RFC 4583. Changes from RFC 4583 are summarized in section 15. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt From 2mkristensen@gmail.com Tue Mar 6 00:56:53 2012 Return-Path: <2mkristensen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B6621F885C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:56:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z5d0zGoL3F-B for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9D121F885B for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by obbta4 with SMTP id ta4so3722190obb.31 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 2mkristensen@gmail.com designates 10.60.20.163 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.60.20.163; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 2mkristensen@gmail.com designates 10.60.20.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=2mkristensen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=2mkristensen@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.60.20.163]) by 10.60.20.163 with SMTP id o3mr8968315oee.55.1331024211896 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:56:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cl5TJZ1WsssvrqWgM5M/0Wy7gkWrKqqAhnsCVDxJmCU=; b=Fvb7zGxXzrpWoK8u9SBtlS10MDrX0RKzVsrpAXwThnqcbHAapWBK8M0Qx9XV2S8WGM GncW3KHTuFemz5CJu2GBFM5uk6uhXvLSoKazhlZtTRnILLlNvkFU5c9Y4L22/+/9Dggc o4J9GKMEsFb9YeJJr2AehVOb8Id67NKcmBVtjHxXX1eCc7z7h/3FRhDA94X4aAqs2fJ4 xrRAOZNktSfHn6GIJEpgEjJUkoHwJfjXcJqkJi+sOGIa+SwUJKJ4M3pFb8QLTTapHYqE Ld8nP1e5RA8PMClfqBMtQb/SHHsVEsqGn2oMJEZjWMd9y0GoWmMuqUdST6xK5nzh0Zbl TfRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.20.163 with SMTP id o3mr7843902oee.55.1331024211818; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.185.77 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:56:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:56:51 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com> To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" , Tom Kristensen Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Documentation conclusions X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 08:56:53 -0000 On 21/02/2012, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: > (As WG cochair) > > We opened a discussion earlier in the year about the documentation of the > 4582bis document (and what we needed to do with the 4583bis issues as well). > > There was a limited response on list which went in one particular direction, > and the interim meeting (today) essentially agreed with that view. > > I'd therefore like to confirm that decision on list with responses requested > by close of business Monday 27th February. I've seen no objections to the decision from the interim meeting on list. Both RFC4582bis and RFC4583bis are being structured and "patched" according to these decisions. Therefore, draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00 was submitted yesterday (a couple of hours before the cut-off time for initial document submission). We'll finish the next version of draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis during this week. -- Tom [...] -- # Cisco | http://www.cisco.com/telepresence/ ## tomkrist@cisco.com | http://www.tandberg.com ### | http://folk.uio.no/tomkri/ From 2mkristensen@gmail.com Tue Mar 6 01:08:39 2012 Return-Path: <2mkristensen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FDC21F85E4 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:08:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kd5oYi9RIhOJ for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB5D21F882F for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by obbta4 with SMTP id ta4so3736967obb.31 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 2mkristensen@gmail.com designates 10.182.17.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.17.100; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 2mkristensen@gmail.com designates 10.182.17.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=2mkristensen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=2mkristensen@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.17.100]) by 10.182.17.100 with SMTP id n4mr9500491obd.45.1331024918436 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:08:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Rmzmy1He8TRbjyGtRx+RX6kQOVDuBgc7Vj9N0jwfX60=; b=ztD8XMXQNjcJ8I2cGGJ+9ZRC9Sv2qxyMrLRQpZvCEl5kdoIEUe79O2pqITmhqbyYtV ROnC+vM4wgh+cP1jRqTjBkEWBgIteARuNmMDuB2UoCyvh5kYgfe4JriXMvrTDOCGmpep PTo3YZ5eySym+V1t9sDF8Yjkp66LfhLRYk6DhVDVp47enNl+1mcXXY6J9wDNGSgQr+PL mdljLKguhQ8vc9Qw8IcFEHT9G1r2EtVlj3EsXj799lJ7LDfYPMHjFQIQU35LQRpwu801 vQlKbUnhqtJDpA1F1IJdmdmQg2gve6t5reWtHEs8Zx/z+NIzqMEcXSwLNBl8OU4Rz2Gv IsCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.17.100 with SMTP id n4mr8292537obd.45.1331024918391; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.185.77 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:08:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120305203622.30183.68572.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120305203622.30183.68572.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:08:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com> To: BFCPbis WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Tom Kristensen Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 09:08:40 -0000 On 05/03/2012, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol > Bis Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format for Binary > Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams > Author(s) : Tom Kristensen > Gonzalo Camarillo > Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2012-03-05 > > This document specifies how to describe Binary Floor Control Protocol > (BFCP) streams in Session Description Protocol (SDP) descriptions. > User agents using the offer/answer model to establish BFCP streams > use this format in their offers and answers. > > This document obsoletes RFC 4583. Changes from RFC 4583 are > summarized in section 15. [...] Never mind the abstract, here's the changes and fixes: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00#section-12 Due to the IETF-83 cut-off date for initial version documents, rfc4583bis arrived first. According to decisions on document structure in the interim meeting, the RFC 4583 related changes in draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis are merged into RFC 4583 to build this draft. An errata and typo fix in an example is changed as well. -- Tom -- # Cisco | http://www.cisco.com/telepresence/ ## tomkrist@cisco.com | http://www.tandberg.com ### | http://folk.uio.no/tomkri/ From alanford@cisco.com Wed Mar 7 04:07:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9274B21F87B0 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 04:07:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.776 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.776 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.244, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F-fuh+ObLUoD for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 04:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9545921F86F1 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 04:07:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=alanford@cisco.com; l=2145; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1331122037; x=1332331637; h=date:subject:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=JD5qhTVmIxX+fTqsX98kz49Pm3KhLMEmoStYJwtFG6o=; b=X3D5y6QCM9UmOOXDzUZ6GUAfYtjijVBeBU7pSS74b9rItMc3xcOyfHrg F1DMcsqzaBXfvPw3AE5mYdUFbIzC9tXChJsBLyiq84mVke/BDHfE6np9G Douv1l21L/cbkaWnhCVxKMuZTu0Al/YuhGVPA6HYAVfb8dArUA89AFcs2 U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtEQACNPV0+Q/khR/2dsb2JhbABDtAYCgQsCgQeCCgEBAQMBAQEBDwEnAgExHQEIbTABAQQTCRmHYQULmU2BJwGfHYtVgXiDIgSVQY5XgUCCYw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,545,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="67884130" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2012 12:07:16 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-201.cisco.com (xbh-ams-201.cisco.com [144.254.75.7]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q27C7GJj002801 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:07:16 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-203.cisco.com ([144.254.75.14]) by xbh-ams-201.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:07:16 +0100 Received: from 144.254.90.168 ([144.254.90.168]) by XMB-AMS-203.cisco.com ([144.254.75.14]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:07:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.32.0.111121 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:07:13 +0000 From: Alan Ford To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-01.txt Thread-Index: Acz8WtSKsLIfktN/VUugSBJd5ish5A== In-Reply-To: <20120217230931.21273.32773.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2012 12:07:16.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6C3BCB0:01CCFC5A] Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:07:18 -0000 Hi all, Re-reading rfc4582bis, I noticed some confusing terminology. The 'I' Bit is described as the 'Transaction Initiator' flag. But, by its description, it is set by the Transaction _Responder_, not the initiator. This seems a recipe for confusion. I think it would it be better to rename it the 'R' bit, as the 'Transaction Responder' flag. As a secondary point, we are starting to define multiple BFCP version values with this spec. It seems to me that it was an oversight in the original spec not to include an error message of "Unsupported Version". Is there any reason why we should not take this opportunity to define this value? Regards, Alan On 17/02/2012 23:09, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol > Bis Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Revision of the Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) for use > over an unreliable transport > Author(s) : Tom Kristensen > Charles Eckel > Alfred E. Heggestad > Geir A. Sandbakken > Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-01.txt > Pages : 34 > Date : 2012-02-17 > > This draft describes how to extend the Binary Floor Control Protocol > (BFCP) for use over an unreliable transport. It details the > differences from the BFCP protocol definition document and the > Session Description Protocol (SDP) format specified for BFCP streams. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-01.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-01.txt > > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis From 2mkristensen@gmail.com Sun Mar 11 14:22:37 2012 Return-Path: <2mkristensen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0131721F863E for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.479 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzm9h1qT4Ut3 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D14321F863C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iazz13 with SMTP id z13so6366138iaz.31 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:22:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BukGQHqpkUl+1cJpXlGJfLUhrZK9499/GKzzRdipXrs=; b=t45fACH4fTECLgIjm6+Ua8zFrBmpTCbg9fx6nE5lB3D2392gVCIzgg+mqgdYLYjCqR gy4JsHrn5WX4izvlG+1mk7+iQHZpV1CpouHx9eqhRd/V9H+rUCqY5gm+kHwBY4gwoN0/ 0rYCn6Ykjls0zVVcWquqkPoa8joYOm3i4QwA1+VjfLhqTqmKFSE4hHPbqwc4rDUzBBFL 3CnZvjkJ0c5wdM9/+CPx9sjnEz0SVkKyULZZ9WDPh+KW2zE+kYHHO0jX5gJhxK83N2O2 vVFB/d3KZFj5HS3/lUhPl8cYrPxjbWLHpkNMkMaGG6eQHaeI75C+HI7qbz/sSPluP36C u3bQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.38.3 with SMTP id c3mr5517616obk.42.1331500955857; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.47.131 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:22:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120217230931.21273.32773.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:22:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com> To: Alan Ford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: bfcpbis@ietf.org, Tom Kristensen Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:22:37 -0000 On 07/03/2012, Alan Ford wrote: > Hi all, > > Re-reading rfc4582bis, I noticed some confusing terminology. The 'I' Bit is > described as the 'Transaction Initiator' flag. But, by its description, it > is set by the Transaction _Responder_, not the initiator. This seems a > recipe for confusion. I think it would it be better to rename it the 'R' > bit, as the 'Transaction Responder' flag. I agree, this is a better name for the flag clarifying the actual usage of the flag bit. > As a secondary point, we are starting to define multiple BFCP version values > with this spec. It seems to me that it was an oversight in the original spec > not to include an error message of "Unsupported Version". Is there any > reason why we should not take this opportunity to define this value? Also a good idea, since we are now specifying a new version value and the chances for "version clash" occurs. No objections to these two proposal was sent to the list. Given no negative reactions, I'll add them to the upcoming version of the rfc4582bis draft tomorrow - before the cut-off time for IETF-83. [...] -- Tom -- # Cisco | http://www.cisco.com/telepresence/ ## tomkrist@cisco.com | http://www.tandberg.com ### | http://folk.uio.no/tomkri/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 12 15:33:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDA521F8AD6; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:33:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id np4K8tSmicQV; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D469521F8AB0; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:33:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.00 Message-ID: <20120312223331.20764.8172.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:33:31 -0700 Cc: bfcpbis@ietf.org Subject: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:33:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis Wo= rking Group of the IETF. Title : The Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Author(s) : Tom Kristensen Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt Pages : 85 Date : 2012-03-12 Floor control is a means to manage joint or exclusive access to shared resources in a (multiparty) conferencing environment. Thereby, floor control complements other functions -- such as conference and media session setup, conference policy manipulation, and media control -- that are realized by other protocols. This document specifies the Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP). BFCP is used between floor participants and floor control servers, and between floor chairs (i.e., moderators) and floor control servers. This document obsoletes RFC 4582. Changes from RFC 4582 are summarized in section 16. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt From tomkrist@cisco.com Tue Mar 13 02:52:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026F821F86D7 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:52:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.023 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.023 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.575, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wHhXJf2b1axA for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D1721F87D4 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:52:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=tomkrist@cisco.com; l=6297; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1331632348; x=1332841948; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to; bh=dMecdzRKDAjlPoQ8LyTjw2D/C02Trg0wtGnURnKqf8A=; b=b1wecf5ZjgTC6kzG6hXhMFl5xXHmpQ6Lq62wHw/MexEjqxlAH/oYqC7u XE/6lgcCmIweDKnZjTPsPu0oxSvWF8HfIO6u2jTY69j+ZAVEcGkZUs+HS UqPIP+20zN0vTwrbq1laskocBKZSIESdF8Rkt1+Hj9jgj3yXhGdB59wqP k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoGAHEYX0+Q/khM/2dsb2JhbABDgwmyV4EHggkBAQEEEgFVEBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUTBgIBAR6Fb4F5C51nAZ8JkGUElU+FaYo6gmaBWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,576,1325462400"; d="scan'208,217";a="68329969" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2012 09:52:27 +0000 Received: from [10.61.82.138] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4747.cisco.com [10.61.82.138]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2D9qR5m008637 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:52:27 GMT Message-ID: <4F5F18DA.2000503@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:52:26 +0100 From: Tom Kristensen Organization: Cisco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Fedora/3.0.10-1.fc12 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org References: <20120312223331.20764.8172.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120312223331.20764.8172.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090600050305060406040904" Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:52:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090600050305060406040904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/12/2012 11:33 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : The Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) > Author(s) : Tom Kristensen > Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt > Pages : 85 > Date : 2012-03-12 > > Floor control is a means to manage joint or exclusive access to > shared resources in a (multiparty) conferencing environment. > Thereby, floor control complements other functions -- such as > conference and media session setup, conference policy manipulation, > and media control -- that are realized by other protocols. > > This document specifies the Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP). > BFCP is used between floor participants and floor control servers, > and between floor chairs (i.e., moderators) and floor control > servers. > > This document obsoletes RFC 4582. Changes from RFC 4582 are > summarized in section 16. > The draft is now restructured as agreed in the interim meeting and (silently) confirmed on list, i.e. diff style changes merged in from the -01 version of the draft. No technical changes in the extensions for reliable transport, just some minor - more editorial - clarifications of the text. The tools page diff tool seems to work fine. Changes from RFC 4582 displayed side-by-side this way: The (non-normative) overview of changes from RFC 4582 is contained in Section 16: Please, review and provide any comments that will make this overview of changes more useful and clear. When creating the XML equivalent to RFC 4582 - as starting point, I stumbled upon a couple of typos and bugs in the final RFC 4582. These are listed in Section 16. I will especially ask for review and confirmation of the last fix in the list: Corrected attribute type (Section 13.1.1 ): Change from PARTICIPANT-PROVIDED-INFO to PRIORITY attributed in the ninth paragraph, since the note below describes priority and that the last paragraph deals with PARTICIPANT-PROVIDED-INFO. -- Tom --------------090600050305060406040904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/12/2012 11:33 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: 
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis  Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : The Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP)
	Author(s)       : Tom Kristensen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt
	Pages           : 85
	Date            : 2012-03-12

   Floor control is a means to manage joint or exclusive access to
   shared resources in a (multiparty) conferencing environment.
   Thereby, floor control complements other functions -- such as
   conference and media session setup, conference policy manipulation,
   and media control -- that are realized by other protocols.

   This document specifies the Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP).
   BFCP is used between floor participants and floor control servers,
   and between floor chairs (i.e., moderators) and floor control
   servers.

   This document obsoletes RFC 4582.  Changes from RFC 4582 are
   summarized in section 16.
The draft is now restructured as agreed in the interim meeting and (silently) confirmed on list, i.e. diff style changes merged in from the -01 version of the draft. No technical changes in the extensions for reliable transport, just some minor - more editorial - clarifications of the text.

The tools page diff tool seems to work fine. Changes from RFC 4582 displayed side-by-side this way:
  <URL: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt&url1=http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4582.txt >

The (non-normative) overview of changes from RFC 4582 is contained in Section 16:
 <URL: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02#section-16 >

Please, review and provide any comments that will make this overview of changes more useful and clear.

When creating the XML equivalent to RFC 4582 - as starting point, I stumbled upon a couple of typos and bugs in the final RFC 4582. These are listed in Section 16. I will especially ask for review and confirmation of the last fix in the list:

Corrected attribute type  (Section 13.1.1):
      Change from PARTICIPANT-PROVIDED-INFO to PRIORITY attributed in
      the ninth paragraph, since the note below describes priority and
      that the last paragraph deals with PARTICIPANT-PROVIDED-INFO.

-- Tom



--------------090600050305060406040904-- From 2mkristensen@gmail.com Tue Mar 13 06:20:41 2012 Return-Path: <2mkristensen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16B221F870F for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lZXnqq7MXhad for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930F521F86EB for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggmi1 with SMTP id i1so619146ggm.31 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:20:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ULcYg5veJ+t9YiM0w6btll0QzaQ0/Q8iPPr8odj4ufI=; b=Tfgwu0O+ODPImCtdkL32EJZpR7oY4kiB8+DjdB8DyyGMBmup9jy56RkFy7y+hAy5Ea ClhFqEWx0MrJve/TH0mTQ2pEvO2imEb+3qrMt7tsZ++xwmO1Q5Nn/H8k2XM5QrtPMHNV LHzWPaDfiIgwqzkra82oHDcp7Er6n2AYjdNyPF0XVYfW58k6IAb0VbpNfnDGM6kg9KNF NmdvzExmFFBZCHMKqlqCqPVF09I0WkPtqRuJYeDbVy6jEgpbX2o433z371xEszdBIDJ2 hVP3QkkKbINsmRWsI6RpPVHWNFSuj4pja+1nmFZR6xhRVThGDZ21Q8WeIWdO5nNuKY+/ UFSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.1.230 with SMTP id 6mr11299023oep.42.1331644840103; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.47.131 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:20:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F5F18DA.2000503@cisco.com> References: <20120312223331.20764.8172.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4F5F18DA.2000503@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:20:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com> To: Tom Kristensen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: bfcpbis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:20:41 -0000 On 13/03/2012, Tom Kristensen wrote: > On 03/12/2012 11:33 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: [...] > The draft is now restructured as agreed in the interim meeting and > (silently) confirmed on list, i.e. diff style changes merged in from the > -01 version of the draft. No technical changes in the extensions for > reliable transport, just some minor - more editorial - clarifications of > the text. Corrections: - The extensions is of course for unreliable transport, not reliable transport as stated above! - The addition of the new "unsupported version" error code is a technical change, and was announced separately on this list. -- Tom -- # Cisco | http://www.cisco.com/telepresence/ ## tomkrist@cisco.com | http://www.tandberg.com ### | http://folk.uio.no/tomkri/ From eckelcu@cisco.com Tue Mar 13 15:40:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E4A21E8037 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hf-w0YftsbGt for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CB621E8028 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:40:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=eckelcu@cisco.com; l=1240; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1331678423; x=1332888023; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:from:to; bh=f1W80wIbwKwrxsnFxN5r3kEQGiZmRrbWZgHHnxPPSgQ=; b=Rb/zHLgPvCpJqyLNAydbygHWog+gD43dNlAPZf3k4J1nIQYO9/OcQmKb QpUoD1IaeOxv7DAqSlmCUAjKk2Ng0FJJtgQ01IRTA0XjBPz2m7UxAWsjf NacM6VIyKoB4AXt5VMBmNFdwIuIFWdRFKDmy+MmnGiC4ia3SbfhdD11pe U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EACrMX0+rRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABDtW+BB4ILAQQSAR0KUQEqBhgHVwEEEwgBGYdnAQubIYEnAZ51jVSCP2MEiFWdHoMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,579,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="35995021" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2012 22:40:23 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2DMeNpn031513 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:40:23 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-234.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.111]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:40:23 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:40:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Proposed agenda for IETF 83 Thread-Index: Ac0Baka2SiF57pbhRbOkYXg5T8Ttkw== From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2012 22:40:23.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[46F90B20:01CD016A] Subject: [bfcpbis] Proposed agenda for IETF 83 X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:40:24 -0000 (As co-chair) The agenda for IETF 83 has been posted (http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agenda-83-bfcpbis.txt) and is as follows: Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis (bfcpbis) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Chairs: Keith Drage Charles Eckel =20 Agenda IETF 83, Paris =20 1120-1220 FRIDAY, March 30, 2012. Room: 241 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1120 Agenda Bash and Status Update (Chairs, 5) 1125 draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02 (Tom, 30) http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bfcpbis/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis/ 1155 draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00 (Tom, 20) http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bfcpbis/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/ 1215 Next Steps (Chairs, 5) 1220 End This agenda is not yet final and is subject to change based on comments and requests from working group members. To request a change, please contact the co-chairs. Cheers, Charles From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Fri Mar 16 08:50:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF0821F8755 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.38 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.219, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xgpxEIZ1fvAW for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2636721F864B for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7c6fae0000045c0-1a-4f63615c1b52 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 53.83.17856.C51636F4; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:50:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:50:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4F63615A.9010207@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:50:50 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" References: <4F635D10.3040607@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4F635D10.3040607@ericsson.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060405010800040708040300" X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [bfcpbis] Fwd: [dispatch] Media Stream Related Signaling X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: DISPATCH list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:50:54 -0000 --------------060405010800040708040300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BFCPBIS WG, We have proposed functionality for media stream selection and our initial pick of protocol for this functionality has been BFCP. If you think that is a good idea or terrible idea, please come to dispatch and argue it. The discussion will happen in Paris in the Dispatch WG session, currently scheduled for Tuesday (27th of March) at 1300-1500. If you already now have input in the discussion please send email to the Dispatch WG mailing list. Cheers Magnus --------------060405010800040708040300 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[dispatch] Media Stream Related Signaling.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="[dispatch] Media Stream Related Signaling.eml" X-Mozilla-Keys: Received: from sesbmg10.ericsson.net (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.89) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:32:40 +0100 Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [12.22.58.30]) by sesbmg10.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A3.ED.03823.81D536F4; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:32:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86EB21F8711; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4405C21F8709 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KcNVfIl1OhU for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7C621F86D5 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id C4.11.17856.11D536F4; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:32:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:32:32 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund To: DISPATCH list Sender: "dispatch-bounces@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:32:32 +0100 Subject: [dispatch] Media Stream Related Signaling Thread-Topic: [dispatch] Media Stream Related Signaling Thread-Index: Ac0DigZOdrBIp9HVQ6m5uCDvQ8b40Q== Message-ID: <4F635D10.3040607@ericsson.com> References: <4F635AF9.9020605@ericsson.com> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <4F635AF9.9020605@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-auditid: c1b4fb3c-b7f126d000000eef-25-4f635d171dd7 x-brightmail-tracker: AAAAAA== dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1331911958; bh=InyQ1CufGR9qkZDp9pnRK+DMwxIXvg5eclqpB6XDScQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:References:In-Reply-To: Subject:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help: List-Subscribe:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; b=h5Q1xvKpRAVpgVLge5pdbt5xmqCZRVoNRo2Xb0EiC5eP9mkkMxWhR3CtMzttMTGvK sh5FxZy/w+QEJAKSpfpH2uz8GzKe61DEGI3cdXyCOIcA1j0iN9V1qUVXrMscJAmk85 fBjrbqCZd0ypCAlFdW11JrpvEg2dQiABoc+rxvfk= user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 errors-to: dispatch-bounces@ietf.org x-virus-scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com x-mailman-version: 2.1.12 list-post: list-archive: list-id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List x-beenthere: dispatch@ietf.org x-spam-level: x-spam-status: No, score=-110.368 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.231, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] x-spam-score: -110.368 x-spam-flag: NO delivered-to: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com x-original-to: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com x-enigmail-version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Dispatch, With 10 days until the meeting I would like to provide a reminder on the upcoming discussion and some clarification on what we believe to be the high level question that Dispatch needs to resolve for us to be able to make progress. First of all we have not updated our drafts. They are still relevant background material for this discussion: Media Stream Selection: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerlund-dispatch-stream-selection= / Pause and Resume: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerlund-avtext-rtp-stream-pause/ The above drafts propose the need for two functionalities: Choose What Content to Receive - A media receiver wants to dynamically choose which media stream to receive, out of many possible, from a certain media sender, out of many possible Request to Pause Sending of a Content - A media receiver wants to ask the media sender to temporarily stop sending a specific media stream, and to resume it with short notice >From our perspective there exist three different high level methods for realizing this functionality: - Using a media control protocol, like BFCP or Media Control Framework - Using the media plane, like RTCP - Using the signaling plane, like SIP/SDP or other SIP carried data What we want out of the Dispatch session is clear indications on what are the most suitable method or methods (as we have two different functionalities) that should be worked out. That indication can then hopefully be turned into a decision pretty quickly to take the work to one or more WG. We want to be able to continue working on this and making progress. Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ dispatch mailing list dispatch@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch --------------060405010800040708040300-- From kgledits@cisco.com Fri Mar 23 06:34:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ED421F84D0 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WATFbcKESFdC for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB3F21F84F8 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:34:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=kgledits@cisco.com; l=2592; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1332509693; x=1333719293; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject; bh=xf2lhvjneKFlV+2iGq4e638ImPcwCngX/I9Gte3/xQk=; b=kilGEPIbLnoSgLctj59nmikQDCmoo19GHmZQWcOgLizzQESB+0jH3gdy bDDrum8FXwZsHadnC6Ak8KHPMh41T4iuczidjSFwAxVm73WY6MyvNiDd8 qf2KIIeR+AQZtu/PiH10v5pvaiP44FhLrYMWHjx1jAHnniSCY3EEeIYyQ g=; X-Files: 4582bis.patch, 4583bis.patch : 1029, 530 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmkHAKp7bE+Q/khN/2dsb2JhbAA7BwKDDoIxrzmDD4EHgiIBEEQBED0NCQsCCwMCAQIBWAgBAR6HaJhMgSeNCJF1iluDAgQHAYIEgRgEjmeBIoVXhW6IVoFogmg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,636,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="69188934" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2012 13:34:52 +0000 Received: from [10.47.37.194] ([10.47.37.194]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2NDYpsb014322 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:34:52 GMT Message-ID: <4F6C7BFB.5060705@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:34:51 +0100 From: Kristoffer Gleditsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120316 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080807080404090903000606" Subject: [bfcpbis] Data type clarifications of Conference ID + User ID X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:34:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080807080404090903000606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! See the attached diffs to the 4582bis and 4853bis drafts. The motivation of the 4582bis change is to make sure nobody thinks Conference ID = -42 is legal. (I left Transaction ID as it was, since it carries no meaning apart from uniqueness.) The motivation of the 4583bis change is to make sure nobody thinks they can put "a=userid: 0xa" in the SDP to express User ID = 10. Regards, Kristoffer --------------080807080404090903000606 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="4582bis.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="4582bis.patch" --- draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt.orig 2012-03-23 09:32:01.229176880 +0100 +++ draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis-02.txt 2012-03-23 14:22:51.914181291 +0100 @@ -985,14 +985,14 @@ Payload Length: This 16-bit field contains the length of the message in 4-octet units, excluding the common header. - Conference ID: This 32-bit field identifies the conference the - message belongs to. + Conference ID: This 32-bit unsigned integer field identifies the + conference the message belongs to. Transaction ID: This field contains a 16-bit value that allows users to match a given message with its response (see Section 8). - User ID: This field contains a 16-bit value that uniquely identifies - a participant within a conference. + User ID: This field contains a 16-bit unsigned integer that + uniquely identifies a participant within a conference. The identity used by a participant in BFCP, which is carried in the User ID field, is generally mapped to the identity used by the --------------080807080404090903000606 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="4583bis.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="4583bis.patch" --- draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt.orig 2012-03-23 09:33:08.461505016 +0100 +++ draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-00.txt 2012-03-23 09:33:22.777284417 +0100 @@ -357,7 +357,7 @@ userid-attribute = "a=userid:" user-id user-id = token - The 'confid' and the 'userid' attributes carry the integer + The 'confid' and the 'userid' attributes carry the decimal integer representation of a conference ID and a user ID, respectively. 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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 02:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.47.131 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 02:12:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4F6C7BFB.5060705@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:12:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com> To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: bfcpbis@ietf.org, "Kristoffer Gleditsch \(kgledits\)" , Tom Kristensen Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Data type clarifications of Conference ID + User ID X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:12:14 -0000 I agree. I will present these clarifications in the IETF-83 WG session tomorrow. -- Tom On 26/03/2012, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > Hi Kristoffer, > > The clarifications you have proposed all look helpful to me. I would be > happy to see them adopted in the drafts being worked within this group. > > Cheers, > Charles (as an individual) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Kristoffer Gleditsch (kgledits) >> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:35 PM >> To: bfcpbis@ietf.org >> Subject: [bfcpbis] Data type clarifications of Conference ID + User ID >> >> Hi! >> >> See the attached diffs to the 4582bis and 4853bis drafts. >> >> The motivation of the 4582bis change is to make sure nobody thinks >> Conference ID = -42 is legal. (I left Transaction ID as it was, since >> it carries no meaning apart from uniqueness.) >> >> The motivation of the 4583bis change is to make sure nobody thinks they >> can put "a=userid: 0xa" in the SDP to express User ID = 10. >> >> Regards, >> Kristoffer > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis > -- # Cisco | http://www.cisco.com/telepresence/ ## tomkrist@cisco.com | http://www.tandberg.com ### | http://folk.uio.no/tomkri/ From eckelcu@cisco.com Thu Mar 29 06:38:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BBC21F8961 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGjAhM31BGsW for ; 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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:44:52 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:44:51 +0200 Thread-Topic: Slides for Paris meeting Thread-Index: Ac0Nsh1C1AMZeFDuSq+eJ8WO1GIJJA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.13 Subject: [bfcpbis] Slides for Paris meeting X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:45:13 -0000 The slides for the BFCPbis meeting tomorrow have been uploaded to the meeti= ng materials site. We have significance space for discussion of the drafts so do get your ques= tions and issues ready. Regards Keith From ietf@meetecho.com Thu Mar 29 15:57:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095C721F8644 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48MeOq1UnFxQ for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplq01.aruba.it (smtplqs-out27.aruba.it [62.149.158.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E94C721F8633 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12779 invoked by uid 89); 29 Mar 2012 22:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp7.aruba.it) (62.149.158.227) by smtplq01.aruba.it with SMTP; 29 Mar 2012 22:57:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 28939 invoked by uid 89); 29 Mar 2012 22:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.40?) (alex@meetecho.com@78.192.151.119) by smtp7.ad.aruba.it with ESMTPA; 29 Mar 2012 22:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <4F74E8D3.1000604@meetecho.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:57:23 +0200 From: Meetecho IETF support User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: smtplq01.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Cc: Team Meetecho Subject: [bfcpbis] Meetecho support for BFCPBIS WG meeting session X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:57:36 -0000 Hi all, a virtual room has been reserved on the Meetecho system for Friday's BFCPBIS WG meeting session. Access to the on-line session (including audio and video streams) will be available at: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf83/bfcpbis The Meetecho session automatically logs you into the standard IETF jabber room. So, from there, you can have an integrated experience involving all media and allowing you to interact with the room. Remote participants might also send their own voice to the room, if they want to, by either calling a landline phone number, or using our embedded VoIP applet (in this last case they are *strongly* advised to use a headset). A tutorial of interactivity features of the tool can be found at: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf83/tutorials Cheers, the Meetecho team -- Meetecho s.r.l. Web Conferencing and Collaboration Tools www.meetecho.com From tomkrist@cisco.com Fri Mar 30 00:51:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49A921F876D for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:51:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.215 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.215 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.384, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g7C0+Izirl2D for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78C021F85D8 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=tomkrist@cisco.com; l=768; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1333093902; x=1334303502; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=40k1ZqFTgEFKWMnVQSOPwV67jMiskkUdr77SsVzxz/c=; b=QYbQ3n+dNArdBXs9jKlV8n1GeXCkOwGvXSbuKytOYqLqL09sGicnQUzn 49eZGn9AImXn0HNrg3U98ogpUsDa0OVbY/MhiVS7p+r6+2QdevdIe9166 3DKIzqkGLb7A0SMgWvMEzi6xYhM+uE/5fqbU/RUDPZJfKff/YQ4rx+z7J g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0GAEhldU+Q/khN/2dsb2JhbABEgw+2D4EHggkBAQEEEgElQBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUTCAEBBRmHaAubXJ8bjWyDJASVYYVwiFaBaIJp X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,341,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="133798524" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2012 07:51:40 +0000 Received: from [10.61.98.74] (dhcp-10-61-98-74.cisco.com [10.61.98.74]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2U7pe0A025501 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:51:40 GMT Message-ID: <4F75660C.3070903@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:51:40 +0200 From: Tom Kristensen Organization: Cisco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Fedora/3.0.10-1.fc12 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bfcpbis@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:51:42 -0000 On 03/29/2012 03:38 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > The minutes from the virtual interim held Feb 21 have been posted. > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2012/02/21/bfcpbis/minutes/minutes-interim-2012-bfcpbis-1.txt > My own handwritten scribble from the meeting didn't quite work. So, reading through the minutes reveals that the following are missing in the current rfc4582bis draft: - Adding a note explaining the benefit of having version == 2 to differentiate between BFCP and STUN packets. - Remove description of using the new Goodbye primitive for reliable transport, since we increased the version number for the new extensions (for unreliable transport). - Adding an example of DTLS usage during call setup. -- Tom From eckelcu@cisco.com Fri Mar 30 06:27:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2399121F848A for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:27:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LuSH5uDr0Oyl for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB2A21F8484 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:27:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=eckelcu@cisco.com; l=1463; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1333114033; x=1334323633; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to; bh=S2IWmeyf23PEFIDu2kMMnUqAEpFM8CG78fqLDdylU0Y=; b=J4TDURcFU/mon1hddhydL66KnVMnzlXb0BSbJJ0fM6vBokF5dlRewZq2 ABoeAYFPJ+cH1nsz2W93gI+ssJbUQpWroePpWiii56QXJqWp+VtlpvN3c 3HtEgO5m85rAsYGZTLj1CnGdJWub9D/q81NpPW0gvwC9minGwTdXJ9xJL I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAL2zdU+rRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABEuGuBB4IJAQEBBAEBAQ8BHQo0FwQCAQgRBAEBAQoGFwEGASYfCQgBAQQBEggBGYdmAQubP58gkC1jBIham0+BaIMH X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,344,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="38279415" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2012 13:27:13 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2UDRCVS013205 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:27:12 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-234.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.111]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:27:12 -0700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:27:11 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4F75660C.3070903@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted Thread-Index: Ac0OSfWL5gpUoLEiT9mcql6F8CgxEQALpvaA References: <4F75660C.3070903@cisco.com> From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" To: "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2012 13:27:12.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0F64FC0:01CD0E78] Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:27:14 -0000 Hi Tom, Thank you for cross referencing and pointing out the necessary changes in the drafts. The chairs will post minutes from today's session more promptly, so no need for you to take a handwriting course :) Cheers, Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Kristensen (tomkrist) > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:52 AM > To: bfcpbis@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted >=20 > On 03/29/2012 03:38 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > > The minutes from the virtual interim held Feb 21 have been posted. > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2012/02/21/bfcpbis/minutes/minu > tes-interim-2012-bfcpbis-1.txt > > > My own handwritten scribble from the meeting didn't quite work. So, > reading through the minutes reveals that the following are missing in > the current rfc4582bis draft: >=20 > - Adding a note explaining the benefit of having version =3D=3D 2 to > differentiate between BFCP and STUN packets. >=20 > - Remove description of using the new Goodbye primitive for reliable > transport, since we increased the version number for the new extensions > (for unreliable transport). >=20 > - Adding an example of DTLS usage during call setup. >=20 > -- Tom > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Sat Mar 31 02:20:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7AA21F86C8 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.684 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.684 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.565, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id caYtrVkGvvPi for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B69321F86C4 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q2V9KL1k004691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:20:21 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.47]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:20:21 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" , "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:20:19 +0200 Thread-Topic: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted Thread-Index: Ac0OSfWL5gpUoLEiT9mcql6F8CgxEQALpvaAACmsifA= Message-ID: References: <4F75660C.3070903@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.84 Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:20:26 -0000 (As WG cochair) I didn't get round to say this in the meeting but the late posting of the i= nterim minutes and its cosequent effects on the editor of the drafts was my= fault. I'll try and do better in future. Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f > Of Charles Eckel (eckelcu) > Sent: 30 March 2012 14:27 > To: Tom Kristensen (tomkrist); bfcpbis@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted >=20 > Hi Tom, >=20 > Thank you for cross referencing and pointing out the necessary changes > in the drafts. > The chairs will post minutes from today's session more promptly, so no > need for you to take a handwriting course :) >=20 > Cheers, > Charles >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Tom Kristensen (tomkrist) > > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:52 AM > > To: bfcpbis@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] Minutes from interim posted > > > > On 03/29/2012 03:38 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > > > The minutes from the virtual interim held Feb 21 have been posted. > > > > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2012/02/21/bfcpbis/minutes/minu > > tes-interim-2012-bfcpbis-1.txt > > > > > My own handwritten scribble from the meeting didn't quite work. So, > > reading through the minutes reveals that the following are missing in > > the current rfc4582bis draft: > > > > - Adding a note explaining the benefit of having version =3D=3D 2 to > > differentiate between BFCP and STUN packets. > > > > - Remove description of using the new Goodbye primitive for reliable > > transport, since we increased the version number for the new > extensions > > (for unreliable transport). > > > > - Adding an example of DTLS usage during call setup. > > > > -- Tom > > _______________________________________________ > > bfcpbis mailing list > > bfcpbis@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis